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00:02:27.000Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:30.000I am joined by my friend Tom Fitton, who runs Judicial Watch, one of the most important organizations in the country fighting because no one is above the law.
00:02:40.000So first, Tom, I want to get into mail and voting, but can you give me a little update on the lawsuit that you filed with the city of Washington, D.C. when they decided to plaster Black Lives Matter on the street?
00:02:52.000If I'm not mistaken, you guys sued to say, why can't we have no one is above the law or equal justice?
00:03:28.000And of course, the left-wing mayor of D.C. has been playing games with us, and we had to sue in federal court.
00:03:33.000So now it's a big First Amendment civil rights lawsuit against the leftists who's not only suppressing our rights, you had a veterans group who wanted to do something.
00:04:25.000They got caught up in the moment of this propaganda effort early on and this ideological statement about Black Lives Matter and defund the police.
00:04:35.000And then when cooler heads prevailed, like Judicial Watch comes in and says, hey, look, what's going on here?
00:04:55.000That's what Judicial Watch is all about.
00:04:57.000So let's talk about mail-in voting and make some sense of this mail-in voting controversy.
00:05:01.000The New York Post published an unbelievable article that if, again, if this was beneficial at all to Republicans or conservatives, the idea of talking about voter fraud, the left would, this would be the number one story on the planet.
00:05:13.000It said, confessions of a voter fraud.
00:05:16.000I was a master at fixing mail-in ballots.
00:05:18.000I don't know if you saw this article or not by John Levine.
00:06:05.000I'm going to surprise you who wrote it.
00:06:07.000Blank ballots mailed might get intercepted.
00:06:10.000Citizens who vote at home, nursing homes, workplace, or in a church, are more susceptible to pressure, overt and subtle, or to intimidation.
00:06:20.000Vote buying schemes are far more difficult to detect when citizens vote by mail.
00:06:27.000Former President Jimmy Carter and former Republican Maven James Baker, I guess he was Treasury Secretary, White House Chief of Staff under Reagan.
00:06:36.000Everyone on the left and right always understood voter fraud, absentee ballots, mail-in ballots are much more susceptible to voter fraud.
00:06:44.000And now, though, because it's become partisanly convenient for the Democrats, the media has just decided to suppress the common sense notion that when you vote away from the polling place outside the oversight of government officials, campaign poll watchers, you're more susceptible.
00:07:06.000It's more susceptible to ballot fraud.
00:07:08.000And right now, we're going to be mailing.
00:07:53.000Of course, you know, I don't even know if it's about voter fraud anymore.
00:07:56.000I think it's just about breaking the system because it's pretty clear the left, if they don't like the results of the election, they're planning violence.
00:08:04.000They're planning to go into Congress and threaten secession from the union by certain states in order to get the Electoral College the outcome they like.
00:08:14.000It's about chaos in the sense of how is it we make sure that if the election goes the way we don't want it, we can plausibly steal it back.
00:08:24.000So, but can you explain technically how this works?
00:08:26.000So, millions of people are getting ballots that they didn't request.
00:08:30.000I know lots of people that have ballots, dozens of ballots being sent to their house.
00:08:35.000Is there any mechanism to actually correlate the one ballot to the one voter or are they just counted as every other ballot?
00:08:42.000Because I know, and how is this different than absentee voting?
00:08:44.000Because that's how the left is making the argument.
00:08:47.000Well, in some states, they allow you to check to make sure that the ballot is when you mail it, it actually counted.
00:09:04.000There were hundreds of counties with more people on the rolls than eligible to vote.
00:09:09.000We know in North Carolina and Pennsylvania, who we just recently sued, there are at least nearly 2 million extra names on the rolls.
00:09:16.000In California, we sued to stop the governor from just mailing to the lists that he knew was dirty.
00:09:24.000We knew, for instance, in Los Angeles County, because they're in the process of removing the names thanks to a settlement with Judicial Watch, there were 1.6 million extra names on the rolls potentially.
00:09:33.000And he wanted to mail them all and was only stopped because we sued.
00:09:38.000And of course, that's an indication there are bad names elsewhere, which he's mailing now.
00:09:43.000But it's just like putting your finger in the dike when you're talking tens of millions of ballots going out.
00:09:48.000We have to be thinking of ways to stop the ballots from going out because it's going to break the election, I fear.
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00:11:11.000Well, I mean, just in Michigan on the August 4th primary, Michigan clerks rejected 10,694 mailed ballots and 846 of them were not accepted because the voter was dead.
00:12:48.000And there's this story in Axios Magazine or online where the leftist is saying, well, you know, Trump may win on election day, but we're going to be counting all those mail-in ballots and that will be a landslide for Biden then.
00:13:03.000I mean, they're telling us how they're going to steal the election.
00:13:06.000And this isn't a partisan issue because I'm concerned Democrats are going to have their votes either stolen or not counted because of this crazed effort to flood the mails with ballots and people relying on the mails.
00:13:21.000I think that's a trust that's misplaced.
00:13:24.000And I encourage everyone listening to me, whether you're a Democrat, a conservative, a Trump hater, a Trump lover, a Biden lover, a Biden hater, Jill Stein, whoever you want to vote for, vote in person.
00:13:36.000It's safe and it's the best way to ensure your vote is counted.
00:13:40.000And some people vote absentee, which is a different process in most states.
00:13:44.000Vote by mail is something totally different.
00:13:46.000It's different because a lot of people are getting ballots they never requested.
00:13:49.000In the absentee, you actually have to apply for it.
00:13:52.000But to your point, the absentee ballots are usually only 1% to 2% of all ballots cast.
00:14:00.000Sometimes you have to give a reason as to why you want the absentee ballot, like you'll be traveling over the country, or you won't be in town, or you're out of some other reason, right?
00:14:08.000Where this is something totally different.
00:14:10.000I mean, the polling place might be open right next door to you, and you might get a ballot and you say, Do I go vote there?
00:14:21.000Let's say you want to change your vote, or let's say you're not sure if your vote got there and you want to go in there and just vote day of.
00:14:29.000You have to figure out what the state law is.
00:14:38.000There's no excuse absentee balloting in too many states.
00:14:42.000And right now, what the left is trying to do is undermine the modest security measures that are in place for absentee ballots.
00:14:50.000So if you're used to voting for absentee ballots through absentee ballots, but you otherwise can vote in person, I'd vote in person.
00:14:59.000And, you know, I know Republicans are of two minds on this because they want to get everyone voting any way they can.
00:15:06.000They want to get votes and they don't want to accede to one side or the other.
00:15:09.000But that's why you need independent groups like Judicial Watch, like calling it as we see it.
00:15:16.000Voting by mail is a menace to free and fair elections.
00:15:20.000And not only does it encourage voter fraud and ballot harvesting and other illegal intimidatory acts, but it could disenfranchise Americans unnecessarily.
00:15:30.000You guys are suing, but a lot of people ask, Charlie, what do I do?
00:15:34.000Some people actually think Nancy Pelosi is going to become president in January because it's going to take so long for us to count the ballots.
00:15:39.000I don't know if you think there's any wisdom to this internet rumor that has emerged because the system might actually just break beneath itself.
00:15:49.000I mean, are these state governments fighting up against this?
00:15:51.000I mean, just in Clark County, Nevada, more than 223,000 mail-in ballots sent to registered voters were bounced as undeliverable.
00:15:59.000Are Republicans fighting this on a state and federal level enough?
00:16:03.000Well, the Democratic, excuse me, the Republican campaign, the Trump campaign, has filed suit in several places, successfully, some places, successfully not.
00:16:13.000And the problem is under our constitutional system that state legislative action, even at even seemingly at the last minute, the courts are deferential to.
00:16:24.000So it may be that it gets even too late for the states to change the rules.
00:16:28.000But right now, the left is trying to change the rules to make sure that the security around these absentee ballot programs that are in place are further undermined by allowing them to be counted in a way that just will encourage massive fraud.
00:16:48.000Those of us who are concerned about these issues, we have, I think, three groups, two or three groups on our side, Charlie.
00:16:56.000And our side being those who support election integrity, want security, want voter ID, want clean election rolls.
00:17:04.000I don't know, maybe we filed five, six, seven lawsuits among all of us.
00:17:09.000On the other side, you're talking 160 lawsuits.
00:17:14.000Unlimited funding, practically speaking, massive media support.
00:17:19.000And they're trying to break the system.
00:17:21.000We're doing our best to stand up against them.
00:17:23.000And the president has been effective at highlighting the problems with mail-in ballots.
00:17:28.000And so, you know, the Democrats, if they're smart, they're going to encourage people to vote in person because I think that many people are rightly afraid of mailing in ballots now.
00:17:42.000And so they need to start getting their own people to the polls.
00:17:44.000Indeed, Michelle Obama is backing away from that during the DNC convention.
00:17:49.000You may recall, she talked about voting in person and how important it is to do that.
00:17:54.000And what your listeners here can do, become a poll watcher, become a poll worker.
00:17:59.000Apply to work at the polls because it's in the counting where the corruption can take place.
00:18:06.000And, you know, if you're a liberal or a conservative or whatever, you have a right to become a poll worker.
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00:18:58.000So the Bloomberg group said the Red Mirage, which I don't know if you saw this or not on Axios and HBO, where they were bragging about how, well, it's probably true that Trump will win on election day and will look like he won.
00:19:10.000But once we count all of our ballots, then we're actually going to see who really wins.
00:19:14.000So how do people technically do something about this?
00:19:19.000Tom, we must get thousands of emails a week of people that this is the number one issue in the conservative base right now is mail by voting.
00:19:25.000Number one, I get more questions about it everywhere I go across the country from Montana to Colorado to Nevada, California.
00:19:32.000People are deathly worried that the integrity of our system is disappearing, that it's no longer a system that can be trusted.
00:19:38.000It's no longer a system that is rooted in fairness.
00:19:42.000It now just seems like there's a partiality to it where if you are on the right political side, you're going to benefit from it.
00:19:48.000So, how does one become an election judge?
00:20:25.000I mean, I think most of your listeners and viewers probably recognize that coronavirus is no bar to voting in person.
00:20:33.000As we've been pointing out, if Nancy can get her hair blown, you can vote in person, by gosh, and you should.
00:20:40.000And there are other things you can do.
00:20:42.000You can watch for a candidate of your choice, become a poll watcher.
00:20:46.000The state laws vary on that, so you've got to figure out how to do that.
00:20:51.000Ask your local U.S. attorney, who's your point man on voter fraud?
00:20:56.000Who do I talk to if there are concerns?
00:20:58.000Who can I tell my neighbors to talk to?
00:21:00.000Ask your local district attorney, who do I call to report concerns about voter fraud or misconduct?
00:21:07.000Put them on notice that you want them to be ready to handle this issue if it pops up.
00:21:13.000And then, of course, talk to your members of Congress because the left doesn't really think about Election Day being one day.
00:21:20.000They think of it as weeks, if not months.
00:21:22.000And you pointed out, if it's not decided by January 20th because of a fight in the states that goes into Congress that ultimately approves the electoral, Nancy Pelosi becomes acting president, assuming she's the speaker at the time.
00:21:38.000That's enough motivation for everyone to come become a poll watcher.
00:21:43.000But at least Shelly got her hair done in the White House or something like that.
00:21:46.000So I want to shift gears in the time we have remaining here, Tom.
00:22:01.000Is there something coming very soon before the election?
00:22:03.000You and I shared a cynical view of this back a couple months ago.
00:22:09.000Do you think there'll be some indictments to hold these people accountable for what they did to our president, or is it going to be just more absolute lawlessness with no justice at all?
00:22:21.000Well, I mean, if we're expecting accountability from the Justice Department for Justice Department misconduct and FBI abuse, I don't think, I think we're going to be disappointed.
00:22:30.000They mishandled the plea agreement of the FBI lawyer who pled guilty to changing the document to make Carter Page into a bad guy when, in fact, he was a patriot.
00:22:41.000He pled guilty by saying, well, yeah, I made a false statement, but I thought it was true.
00:22:49.000So they had that one plea that was handed to them on a silver platter last year, and they screwed it up.
00:22:56.000And now, frankly, Charlie, I think it's too late.
00:22:59.000I don't think there's no technical reason no one else can be indicted or prosecuted, but there's a lot of practical reasons why that's not going to happen, namely the election coming up.
00:23:10.000And of course, you know, if anyone is indicted now and they choose to fight it, boy, what if Joe Biden comes in?
00:23:17.000How's an Attorney General Sally Yates or Attorney General Hillary Clinton?
00:23:25.000And I've been sorely disappointed in the Justice Department's slow walking this investigation, protecting Hillary Clinton, hiding documents, obstructing Congress.
00:23:41.000And look, General Flynn is still on the hot seat.
00:23:45.000And the reason he's on the hot seat is because the Justice Department and the FBI stonewalled and hid documents from his team for years.
00:23:55.000And frankly, they haven't been strong enough in trying to hold those responsible accountable for that misconduct.
00:24:07.000The president has differentiated, differed with you and I, though.
00:24:10.000He thinks that indictments are coming.
00:24:11.000And he hasn't said that explicitly, but he said that without saying it in a lot of his press conferences, that he thinks something is coming.
00:24:17.000Do you think that he's being lied to by the people around him?
00:24:32.000They certainly don't talk and act like they're fearing indictment.
00:24:35.000I'm not seeing any evidence that there's going to be that there was even a serious investigation of senior-level officials.
00:24:42.000You had Barr wall off Biden and Obama seemingly from even being questioned about this, even though they're directly implicated in some of the misconduct.
00:24:52.000In the least, they're witnesses, don't you think?
00:24:55.000Yeah, I mean, though, it's if Obama isn't question, then Durham hasn't done his job.
00:26:53.000Yeah, this was our main embassy in Kiev under then Ambassador Yuganovich.
00:26:58.000And they were under significant pressure about the Biden corruption and the interference the Ukrainians committed in our elections in collusion with the Obama gang in the White House at the time.
00:27:10.000You know, we're all supposed to forget about why Trump was impeached.
00:27:15.000He was impeached because they were nervous about the questions he was asking about Biden.
00:27:39.000And the activist media did not cover at all that Handy and Bongino and many others, Ingram, were on an enemies list within our own government.
00:27:55.000And if you work in government for any period of time, you know you can't start investigating citizens and creating reports on their social media or any other public activities without having a lawful basis for doing so.
00:28:08.000And them being critical of you or you being nervous about their commentary on a topic doesn't justify creating the equivalent of an FBI file on them, the State Department version of it.
00:29:36.000What a great conversation that was with Tom Fitton.
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