Megan and I discuss the latest on the Epstein scandal and why it's the first big scandal of the Trump administration that's not a fake media scandal like the left tries to create for President Trump every other day. It's one of the right's own making, and it's not going well.
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00:02:39.000I have nothing, yes, incompetence, yes.
00:02:43.000I have nothing against Pam Bondi as a human being.
00:02:46.000I was fine with her nomination and her confirmation, and she's been loyal to the president, and I get that President Trump needs a loyal Attorney General.
00:02:54.000Look what happened with Sessions the first time he went away, and then the next thing you know, we had the Mueller investigation, and it was a nightmare.
00:03:00.000But there are a lot of other people who can be loyal and competent in that job.
00:03:04.000She is the reason that things are unraveling around this story right now that virtually all of the Republican Party cares deeply about.
00:03:12.000It's also true that Dan Bongino and Cash Patel had questions about Epstein before they took office, okay, before they went to the FBI.
00:03:19.000But once they joined the FBI, they said nothing.
00:03:23.000They've kept their mouths shut about Epstein.
00:03:26.000You have not seen them, except for one joint appearance with Dan and Cash on Fox, running all over the media looking for attention on this, yes, clickbaity story.
00:03:38.000She has never missed an opportunity to go on television and dangle sweet nothings that might be coming your way, try to lead you to believe that she's got it, it's on her desk, it's coming tomorrow, you're going to see something on Epstein.
00:04:01.000She was either lying when she went on Fox News all those times saying, I've got it, I've got it, we're looking at it, wait until you see it, it's horrible.
00:04:08.000Or she's lying in her two-page memo that they released on a Sunday night at the tail end of a holiday weekend to Axios as if Axios is where we all go for our news.
00:04:18.000She went to someone she knew would not kick the tires on the story and without signing the memo, dropped it in the dead of night and said, that's it.
00:04:27.000Take it, take the crumbs and be happy.
00:04:29.000Refused to come out and give a presser.
00:04:41.000But she wouldn't even sign her name to it.
00:04:43.000And I'm telling you, I have dollars to donuts.
00:04:46.000It's going to come out that there was internal consternation over that memo and whose name did and did not go on it and who it was and was not behind it.
00:04:54.000And so now you have a situation where her words on the record on Fox News are diametrically opposed to what she put in this memo.
00:05:17.000That they're in this position where the only comments they've made on the record as administration officials have been, we don't think he killed himself.
00:05:27.000We've looked at the tapes and cashed Joe Rogan saying, if I saw all these tapes of Jeffrey Epstein with little girls, trust me, I would show you.
00:05:57.000They love the little emails and texts and tweets and thumbs up they get after their appearance and they can feel their star rising.
00:06:04.000And listen, internally, I'm told there's a bit of like a power struggle between Pam Bondi and another female administration official on who's going to be the top dog.
00:06:12.000You know, we've got a great bench behind President Trump.
00:06:37.000So, but Megan, you make a very astute point, and let me add to it, which is that she also brought in some of our best influencers, people that I care about deeply.
00:07:13.000It would have been a brilliant operation had she loathed them and been looking to undermine them.
00:07:18.000The trick would have been perfect had this been Joe Biden's White House doing this to some of President Trump's most loyal supporters and media advocates.
00:07:26.000You know, what happened was they invited all of them there to say hi to the vice president, to say hi to the president.
00:07:35.000To the White House to say hello to Trump?
00:07:37.000They didn't expect anything on Epstein.
00:07:39.000So they went, they said hello, and before they knew it, they were pulled into a room with Pam Bondi and Cash Patel, and she had made the binders.
00:07:47.000She bragged about making the cover sheet that read Epstein files, phase one.
00:07:54.000And what Liz Wheeler, who was there, told me was that she told them, there's not that much in here, but like another trove is coming.
00:08:02.000I'm going to get it from the FBI, but like here's phase one.
00:08:06.000Flash forward 14 hours earlier to when she was on with Jesse Waters on Fox News saying, oh, you're going to see some Epstein documents tomorrow.
00:08:15.000You're going to, she knew they were bull.
00:08:18.000She knew that there was nothing in there.
00:08:19.000She told the influencers when she gave it to them, there's really nothing in here.
00:08:51.000And the only way of making it up, trust me, as somebody in the media who relies on sources, the only way she could have made up for this enormous error, and truly to this day, if you believe she knew there was nothing in there, then I don't know why she did it.
00:09:06.000She just did it to make them look like fools for fun of it.
00:09:09.000But the only way she could have made up for it was to give them a scoop.
00:09:40.000We heard he was into the barely legal type, you know, the like 18-year-olds who look 14, but we didn't hear about children.
00:09:47.000And then because she was caught, once again, shooting off her mouth inappropriately, attorneys general of the United States normally say nothing.
00:09:58.000Bill Barr, you can get him to speak or say anything.
00:10:01.000Even Eric Holder was less chatty than this.
00:10:04.000So she got caught on camera and she decided to cover up the James O'Keefe slip by then running to a real camera and being like, there are tens of thousands of videos of the children and I'm announcing it all.
00:10:15.000So once again, she didn't give that to the influencers.
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00:11:33.000Unless we're led to believe that Epstein himself personally raped all these kids, children, or whatever, then isn't the statute of limitations on child rape like basically infinite?
00:11:45.000So then why are we not indicting the people that were doing the raping that we have on video?
00:13:02.000Unless we are to believe he personally was after every one of those victims, there has to be some other bad guys still alive that are powerful that did something to these children.
00:13:12.000Why are we not in paneling a special prosecutor to find every single one of these powerful people that went after these kids?
00:13:33.000Yeah, no, we all have busy lives, and President Trump has a busy life, and I don't think he realizes how much she's humiliated the administration.
00:13:52.000And if you accept what's in the memo, that they don't have the goods on anybody, there's no one who can be indicted, they didn't find a trove of info on other people, then why was she trying to titillate us over a child sexual abuse case for months?
00:14:05.000She was on the air repeatedly in February, in March, again in May.
00:17:58.000So, and yet today, as we came here, there's a piece in Axios that reflects very poorly on Dan, alleging Dan only freaked out once he saw in this memo that people weren't responding well to the missing minute of the tapes of Jeffrey Empressine's cell.
00:18:15.000Do you guys know this piece of the story?
00:18:17.000And that he went into a meltdown like a little child and then threw a hissy fit.
00:18:21.000So my point is not to weigh in on the truth or falsity of that.
00:18:30.000So what's clear to me from this as a member of the media is Bondi leaked the memo to Axios and Bondi's doubling down by trying to get Axios to dump on Dan and trying to make him be the fall guy and or cash be the fall guy.
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00:19:21.000Because all of a sudden, if we find out some of these prisoners had suspicious intel ties, what I'm getting at is at some point we want answers at some point.
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00:20:57.000Again, I don't want to talk about this as long as we have.
00:21:00.000And like we have this amazing summit, and we've spent all these resources and planning.
00:21:03.000Charlie, wait, let me just make the case for talking about it because it's funny because you look back at the past, Dan and Cash talked about Epstein all the time when they were in my business.
00:21:12.000The point is that hasn't been a shtick of mine.
00:21:43.000One of the main reasons that we voted Trump in was because we wanted real answers on real stories, and we didn't want to be BS'd anymore with a bunch of nonsense from our government that treated us like a bunch of stooges.
00:21:55.000And I believe Trump is still loyal to that mission.
00:21:58.000And maybe the people who are behind that memo are loyal to that mission too, but this ain't it.
00:22:04.000That would require, especially on a story they know, they know the base has been led down with a trail of breadcrumbs to believe something else for years.
00:22:15.000The only way to end it, if that's your goal, is you stand in front of those cameras and you take every single question your biggest critics have for you.
00:22:47.000But I'm out there because if there's nothing in there, then we can see there's nothing in there.
00:22:51.000Now, listen, people who are truly conspiratorial, who will just never believe anything other than Jeffrey was murdered and there's a ring of pedophiles, they won't be satisfied, and that's fine.
00:23:02.000However, some percentage of skeptics will at least give them credit for opening the files.
00:23:08.000And we could have a situation where they open the files and Dan and Cash stand there and say, I don't know what was taken out of here before we got here.
00:23:16.000You know, it's possible that those files are rather disappointing and they're not to blame.
00:23:21.000Or it's possible, I just got to say this for the record, it's also possible that Jeffrey Epstein was an absolutely disgusting predator who loved just the barely legal types and did take advantage of them and didn't actually farm a bunch of girls out to a bunch of men.
00:23:41.000I know somebody very close to the case, very close to the case who I trust implicitly.
00:23:45.000And that person has told me from the beginning that that's what happened.
00:23:49.000That Epstein was very into the girls who looked like 13, but he knew he had to hire the ones who were like 17, 18 to come in and give him massages that had the so-called happy ending.
00:24:03.000And there are over a thousand of those.
00:24:05.000No, I get that, but I think what people want to know is what other powerful people were involved.
00:24:12.000Yeah, we've heard all the names who went to Epstein Island, who went to Epstein Islands, who specifically went on the plane, who stayed for more than a night.
00:24:18.000Like, that's what Alan Dershowitz is saying, and he's so right about this.
00:24:22.000He was dragged through the mud by that Virginia Duffrey.
00:24:30.000And I've done this in depth, the study of this.
00:24:34.000His name was suggested to her by somebody who thought she'd sell more books if she named a famous guy, and it was suggested to her, how about Alan, who Jeffrey knew because Alan represented him when he got arrested for transportation of a minor in prostitution.
00:24:49.000And Alan, you know, he, look, he did represent Epstein.
00:25:10.000But he is saying now he thinks the entire files should be opened, even if other men like Alan get swept up into like a web of like, you did it, you did it, you did it.
00:25:22.000And then let them rehabilitate themselves the way he did.
00:25:26.000Let them show the evidence of, I actually wasn't even in the country when I got accused.
00:26:09.000Well, I mean, it's possible that that's the reason everything's getting buried, that there is some treasure trove, and it's getting buried because Raise your hand.
00:26:17.000Okay, I'd say about half the hands think that it's being buried because of an Israeli thing.
00:26:34.000But the one time Pam Bondi was asked a question about this at the cabinet meeting on Monday, she was like, and as for whether he was an agent, that I don't know.
00:27:30.000And to this day, that's what the FBI is stuck with.
00:27:33.000So it really is possible that Dan and Cash got in there and in like a Geraldo and Al Capone's vault situation, opened it up and we're like, oh my gosh, there's nothing in here.
00:27:46.000Like we did not find the magic documents or photos or evidence of anything.
00:28:32.000They knew they were too smart to think that they could get away with doing it on a Saturday night or on a Friday night.
00:28:37.000So they wanted the cover of like, we're doing it on like the night before a real News Day, but Monday after July 4th is not a real news day.
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00:30:39.000But I think he's also extremely smart, and he can read a room better than anybody.
00:30:43.000And I think once he realizes, thanks to an event like this, et cetera, that this does matter with the base, this is not a nothing burger for them for all the reasons we've discussed, I think he'll decide she's a goner.
00:30:54.000It's just a question of what the excuse is, more time with her family, right?
00:32:07.000In a perfect world, Trump will say, all three of you get out there, have an open press or anybody can answer questions and just answer them all honestly.
00:32:14.000Short of that, like we could get to, today's Friday, we could get to Monday with Dan gone, possibly Cash gone.
00:32:21.000Again, my reporting says Cash is staying.
00:32:54.000So if you let Bongino walk, you will have somebody for years that will be bitter towards the administration, and all of us will be— No, no, no, but he'll tell the truth and we will lose.
00:33:07.000We will be like, if Bongino can't go and fight and solve this thing, then like, I mean, what are we doing here?
00:33:14.000If Dan Bongino, who's like one of the greatest patriots we have, cannot go and reform the FBI with cash patel after we win a popular vote majority, then I'm not, I'm like, I will never give up.
00:33:26.000But I know for millions of people, that will be met with just a sigh of cynicism.
00:33:29.000But think about it, you know what I mean?
00:33:56.000Matt Gaetz with a government corruption special prosecutor.
00:33:59.000Anyway, there are other people who could take over that role.
00:34:01.000And just think about it, because I can see the untenability of Dan and Cash effectively working for Pam, right?
00:34:07.000Like, they're working for her, and she seems feckless, except she seems somewhat petty and personal, given the leaks I'm reading.
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00:34:22.000Remember how it was like, it turned out he was more interested in seeing his mug on television and telling fake stories about what a badass he allegedly was and like Abbott Abad, you know, with CLTM6 practically raiding the compound, than he was in being taken seriously and being a credible news anchor.
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