The Charlie Kirk Show - Musk vs. Trump, Round 2

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00:02:32.000 Breaking news, the big beautiful bill has passed.

00:02:36.000 It has officially passed the United States Senate and it is passing just by a whisker.

00:02:42.000 Right at 50 votes and Vice President of the United States and President of the Senate JD Vance has officially broke the tie.

00:02:50.000 The no Republicans are Susan Collins, Tom Tillis, and Rand Paul.

00:02:56.000 Who would have thought of all the people to vote no?

00:02:59.000 You would have Lisa Murkowski voting yes, and you would have Tom Tillis voting no.

00:03:05.000 That is why it's good to have a 53 vote majority.

00:03:10.000 Well, it's really a six vote majority, but 53 votes on the U.S. Senate.

00:03:14.000 The vote has officially been tallied and the bill is passed and it's going straight to the president's desk and he will sign it on July the 4th to be able to celebrate no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, extra border security, the largest welfare reform that we have seen.

00:03:31.000 And look, the bill is far from accomplishing everything that we want as far as cutting spending.

00:03:37.000 We've covered that.

00:03:37.000 We're going to actually segue on that particular element in a moment.

00:03:42.000 But this is still a major accomplishment for President Trump, a phenomenal legislative accomplishment.

00:03:48.000 And now it has to go back to the House.

00:03:50.000 Has the House also done this?

00:03:52.000 So that's the question.

00:03:53.000 The House needs to go back and vote and approve the Senate version.

00:03:58.000 That's also going to have some drama as well.

00:04:01.000 So the Senate has passed it, but now it has to go back to the House and we have some holdouts there.

00:04:07.000 We have Mike Lawler, you got Don Bacon, you got Chip Roy, who's a friend of mine.

00:04:12.000 And so now the Senate has done their job.

00:04:14.000 Now it goes back to the House one last time.

00:04:16.000 So it goes house.

00:04:17.000 Since the Senate changed it, it goes back to the House.

00:04:20.000 So this is not yet over, but it has officially passed in the United States Senate.

00:04:25.000 Markets are looking very favorable to this as the markets are going up as they know that massive depreciation, Trump tax cuts are nothing but good for the economy and supercharging consumer spending and supply-side investment.

00:04:41.000 Now, the news last evening that got people a little bit off kilter, whether or not this thing was going to pass with the narrow margins, was the world's richest man, Elon Musk, said last evening that he was going to spend whatever money he needed to spend against anyone that voted for this bill.

00:05:04.000 More specifically, Elon Musk and Donald Trump, they are, they're back in the arena.

00:05:09.000 Donald Trump may have brokered a ceasefire between Israel and Iran and Congo and Rwanda and India and Pakistan.

00:05:16.000 But it turns out that the Elon-Trump conflict has reemerged back to the surface.

00:05:22.000 It was a couple weeks of just kind of peace, but now we have this back right in front of us.

00:05:28.000 As we know, Musk had a following out with Trump a few weeks ago over the contents of the Big Beautiful Bill.

00:05:34.000 He started talking about forming a new third party called the America Party and competing in the 2026 elections.

00:05:40.000 And then within a few days, it seemed like he cooled down and backed off that idea.

00:05:44.000 Well, Trump avoided escalating and things got back on track.

00:05:47.000 Well, it did not hold.

00:05:49.000 Yesterday, as the Senate itched closer to the Big Beautiful Bill, and now the Senate has officially passed the Big Beautiful Bill, Musk tweeted this, quote, it is obvious with the insane spending of this bill, which increases the debt ceiling by a record $5 trillion, that we live in a one-party country.

00:06:05.000 The Porky Pig Party.

00:06:07.000 Time for a new political party that actually cares about the people.

00:06:12.000 Now, let me just pause here.

00:06:14.000 Elon is a deficit hawk.

00:06:17.000 Honestly, I can sympathize with that.

00:06:19.000 I want to see more spending cut.

00:06:20.000 I want to see our budget eventually balanced.

00:06:23.000 I have to also balance that with, though, that the national debt is not the only problem in America.

00:06:29.000 20 million illegal alien invaders in the interior of our country is a major problem in this country. 1.00

00:06:35.000 In fact, that is a existential threat to this country.

00:06:38.000 On this program, you're not going to hear anything negative about Elon.

00:06:42.000 You're not going to hear us insult him.

00:06:43.000 You're not going to hear us call him names.

00:06:45.000 In fact, I like Elon.

00:06:47.000 I've gotten to know Elon, friend, supporter.

00:06:51.000 And I hope Elon comes back into this movement because we have way more in agreement than we have disagreement.

00:06:57.000 But it seems as if right now this is going to keep on escalating.

00:06:59.000 And on this program, we're going to call balls and strikes and we're going to tell it like it is.

00:07:04.000 We're going to say, I don't agree with that, and we might agree with this. 0.93

00:07:07.000 Now, so Elon continued basically over a couple hours.

00:07:12.000 The one that got people very upset, which very well could be a political problem, is this.

00:07:18.000 He says, if this insane building passes, the America Party will be formed the next day.

00:07:24.000 So Elon Musk, the world's wealthiest man, worth $350 billion, might be worth $400 billion as of today, says he's going to start a new political party, and he's going to form it the next day.

00:07:36.000 Our country needs an alternative to the Democrat Party Uniparty so that the people actually have, in all caps, a voice.

00:07:45.000 And he says, quote, they just pretend to be two parties.

00:07:49.000 It's just one uniparty in reality.

00:07:51.000 Now, I have to push back on some of what Elon is saying respectfully.

00:07:56.000 Democrats are not voting for this bill.

00:07:58.000 Democrats are not voting for more money for ICE or for mass deportations or fully funding the border wall.

00:08:04.000 They're also not fun.

00:08:06.000 They are not voting for Medicaid reform or welfare reform.

00:08:11.000 And I can't imagine that Elon wants to have the working class of this country have a 68% tax increase.

00:08:18.000 However, Elon's passion about balancing the budget is one that we should continue to talk about.

00:08:26.000 We should talk more about balancing our budget.

00:08:28.000 Now, some of the math is a little goofy because a lot of this starts to look better if we start to grow more.

00:08:34.000 If we lower interest rates, the budget starts to get in more, gets closer towards balancing.

00:08:40.000 We're taking more money with tariffs than we ever could have imagined.

00:08:44.000 We have serious welfare reforms in this bill.

00:08:48.000 But to Elon's point, is it enough?

00:08:51.000 Well, we've said all along, we wish there were more.

00:08:54.000 But we also only have a three-seat majority.

00:08:57.000 And that three-seat majority holds the entire conference captive.

00:09:01.000 They hold the entire conference costage.

00:09:04.000 Mike Lawler and Don Bacon and a couple others, they say, nope, we're not voting for that.

00:09:09.000 And so unfortunately, it is about arithmetic.

00:09:12.000 On top of that, in a reconciliation process, you are not able to even touch some of the mandatory spending that comes up in a budgetary discussion.

00:09:23.000 So basically, we need more seats.

00:09:25.000 We still got a good amount done.

00:09:27.000 I think that there's more that could have possibly even been done, but this is still a phenomenal accomplishment.

00:09:33.000 It does a lot more good than negative.

00:09:36.000 So Elon is threatening to start a third party, and he is threatening to put a bunch of money in it, funding candidates, funding upstart-type insurgents.

00:09:47.000 And then President Trump has not sat quietly by one more from Elon.

00:09:51.000 He says, quote, removal of funding for enforcement of federal contempt of court orders is actual crux of the spending bill.

00:09:57.000 This is nominally aimed at removing illegal immigrants, but obviously also enables many other abuses of power by the president.

00:10:05.000 So Elon is now attacking President Trump, saying that Trump wants to be able to do this to abuse power.

00:10:11.000 President Trump has not sat idly by, and he said, quote, Elon may get more subsidies than any other human being in history by far without subsidies.

00:10:20.000 Elon would probably have to close up shop, head back home to South Africa.

00:10:23.000 No more rocket launchers, launches, satellites, or electric car production.

00:10:27.000 And our country would save a fortune.

00:10:28.000 People would have, perhaps we should have Doge take a good hard look at this.

00:10:33.000 Big money to be saved.

00:10:35.000 We're going to talk more about this because I actually think these two Titans, the world's most powerful man and the world's most rich man, richest man, they both want to save Western civilization.

00:10:45.000 They have different passion projects.

00:10:46.000 Elon is focused like a tomahawk missile on balancing the budget.

00:10:51.000 President Trump is focusing on balance the budget, but President Trump also ran on a working class populist economic agenda, which he is doing, and he ran on mass deportations.

00:11:01.000 This is an agenda bill.

00:11:02.000 A bill has to take a form.

00:11:04.000 It has to take a final cause.

00:11:07.000 This final cause of this bill is that we are doing what people voted for.

00:11:12.000 Is it perfect?

00:11:12.000 No.

00:11:13.000 Is it good?

00:11:14.000 Yes.

00:11:14.000 It has some phenomenal components of it that we could never have imagined.

00:11:18.000 Back in 2017, we could not get John McCain or Mitch McConnell to lift a finger for border wall funding.

00:11:24.000 We're getting $50 billion for the wall.

00:11:26.000 We could not get them a finger for mass deportations.

00:11:28.000 We are getting $100 billion for mass deportations.

00:11:32.000 80% of the pie, not bad.

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00:12:43.000 Elon Musk continued on Twitter, or on X, I should say, saying that if this bill passes, he's starting a new political party.

00:12:50.000 Well, here is the official announcement, breaking news, 309, the bill has passed.

00:12:55.000 309.

00:12:56.000 Let's vote.

00:12:57.000 The yays are 50. 0.95

00:12:58.000 The nays are 50. 0.94

00:13:00.000 The Senate being evenly divided, the Vice President votes in the affirmative.

00:13:04.000 The bill, as amended, is passed.

00:13:07.000 And that is the passing of the Big Beautiful bill in the United States Senate, and it is now going back to the House of Representatives for a final vote to then go back to the President of the United States.

00:13:18.000 Now, it might seem as if this is irreconcilable between President Trump and Elon Musk.

00:13:24.000 How could they possibly ever join forces?

00:13:28.000 How could they ever come back together after all this back and forth?

00:13:33.000 President Trump is talking about starting a new political party.

00:13:36.000 I mean, Elon Musk is starting a new political party and they're attacking and it's just as nasty as you could imagine.

00:13:42.000 And it seems as if that it's only going to increase.

00:13:47.000 But President Trump has in front of us a rather dramatic and telling track record of being able to reconcile and work with people that were otherwise considered to be sworn enemies of MAGA, where we were in the nastiest of nastiest of all circumstances.

00:14:08.000 Elon Musk is a patriot.

00:14:10.000 Do I think Elon Musk is misfiring on starting a new political party?

00:14:14.000 Yes.

00:14:15.000 That would do nothing but help the Democrats have permanent political control over the country.

00:14:19.000 Let's just be honest.

00:14:20.000 It would turn the country into a third world hellhole.

00:14:23.000 It would be wide open borders.

00:14:25.000 That is a bad idea.

00:14:27.000 Do I think Elon Musk wants what's best for America?

00:14:29.000 Yes, I really do.

00:14:30.000 Him buying X and him buying Twitter will go down as one of the most consequential, important purchases.

00:14:38.000 I said at the time and I was mocked, the most important purchase since the Louisiana purchase, and I was right. 0.99

00:14:44.000 It was a liberating of conversation.

00:14:46.000 The other tech titans followed.

00:14:48.000 Look, in politics, sometimes it requires sharp elbows, requires the capacity to throw a couple jabs.

00:14:59.000 It is not unheard of for President Trump to get a little bit upset.

00:15:04.000 There was at times where he was insulting Steve Bannon eight years ago, and all that kind of got remedied.

00:15:10.000 It's all part of the Trump story.

00:15:14.000 Sometimes things get very heated, and then there's a reconciliation.

00:15:17.000 There's a reapproachment.

00:15:19.000 And we all agree that we want Elon Musk and we want Donald Trump to work collaboratively, which is the best example in front of us is as we're doing this program, President Trump is hanging out with Ron DeSantis.

00:15:36.000 Ron DeSantis, who they were the worst of enemies imaginable, where they were as bitter enemies.

00:15:43.000 I mean, they were just attacking each other relentlessly.

00:15:46.000 They were in the midst of a primary.

00:15:47.000 Donald Trump did not have very good things to say about Ron DeSantis at all.

00:15:52.000 And now they're taking questions on the tarmac.

00:15:55.000 And in his own words, he says that his relationship with Ron DeSantis is a 10.

00:16:06.000 Play cut 3-10.

00:16:08.000 Yeah, you stand here now as partners on this effort.

00:16:10.000 How would you describe the relationship?

00:16:12.000 And what future does this governor stand to 10?

00:16:15.000 I think it's a 10.

00:16:17.000 Maybe 9-9, because there might be a couple of little wounds.

00:16:21.000 I think we have a 10.

00:16:23.000 We get along with it.

00:16:24.000 I endorsed him immediately in January 2024.

00:16:27.000 I raised one of his packs, millions and millions of dollars.

00:16:31.000 And then we worked very well on this and other issues with Florida.

00:16:36.000 You can call him at any time, and he wants to be helpful for governors.

00:16:42.000 That's a big change from where we were in the primary.

00:16:46.000 I only introduce that piece of evidence to show that I think Elon and Trump will reconcile.

00:16:53.000 I don't want to see this getting barreling out of control where Elon puts up an America party.

00:16:58.000 It's a bad idea.

00:17:00.000 All that would do would be a gift to radical left-wing Democrats and would splinter off some more of the fiscal-minded, younger tech bros to go vote for a third party.

00:17:10.000 Because the Democrats, they're not going anywhere.

00:17:12.000 They are Soviet bloc, consolidated, Pravda, unified.

00:17:18.000 I do think, though, that Elon's fiscal concern should be given and highlighted a big platform.

00:17:25.000 And we need to cut more spending.

00:17:28.000 We need to balance our budget.

00:17:30.000 I agree with Elon on that.

00:17:31.000 But we do that within the Republican Party, not by starting a new party.

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00:18:53.000 Okay, joining us now is Alex Marlowe, editor-in-chief of Breitbart.com and host of the Alex Marlowe Show.

00:18:59.000 Alex, we were just listening to the live press conference there of President Trump.

00:19:03.000 He is at his best when he's talking about urban crime, deportations, and illegals coming across the southern border. 0.73

00:19:12.000 That is just strike zone stuff.

00:19:13.000 There are issues where he is just a 10 out of 10.

00:19:16.000 When President Trump just starts ranting, he says, these people are pushing you on subways and you can't walk the street of New York.

00:19:22.000 He looks at it from a view of just a regular New Yorker and a citizen.

00:19:26.000 Comment really quick, Alex, on alligator Alcatraz.

00:19:30.000 We haven't covered it yet on the program.

00:19:32.000 What is it and what is the significance of it?

00:19:35.000 Yeah, well, this is Ron DeSantis' new prison where he is going to try to put some of the bad guys.

00:19:40.000 He's going to be some of the worst guys around in a prison where it is theatrical, but it's fun and I love fun.

00:19:46.000 And I make fun of Governor DeSantis a lot.

00:19:48.000 I do call him Governor DeSanctis and Governor de Sanctimonious, Charlie, because I think Trump did nail that.

00:19:52.000 I think he is sanctimonious, but I got to say he's an amazing governor and he gets stuff done.

00:19:58.000 The guy is relentlessly trying to create new things.

00:20:01.000 I know this speaks to your leadership.

00:20:02.000 I know as a CEO, Charlie, you're always trying to get to the next thing and do more.

00:20:06.000 DeSantis loves to do more.

00:20:08.000 And I'm glad Trump was down there and they were being friends and buddies and talking about putting some of the worst people in a prison that sends a signal, you don't want to be there.

00:20:17.000 That's the message that's being broadcast.

00:20:19.000 We have a low tolerance for crime in this country.

00:20:21.000 We are restoring law and order in this country.

00:20:23.000 That's what President Trump is all about.

00:20:24.000 And that's the essence of why he's so good on illegal immigration is that he knows it is a disgrace as a country that if we do not value law and order first, the Democrats hate law and order.

00:20:35.000 They detest it.

00:20:35.000 They would prefer chaos.

00:20:37.000 They prefer for criminals and for illegal aliens to be prioritized over citizens.

00:20:41.000 This is an easy layup for us, but we have to run through that door and we're doing it.

00:20:45.000 Both of these guys are.

00:20:46.000 I want to play a full clip here.

00:20:48.000 It's a minute 25.

00:20:49.000 It also just reminds you, hey, you know, Elon and Trump are fighting.

00:20:52.000 The band can get back together.

00:20:54.000 This is a great duo right here talking about safety and order and the deportation agenda.

00:21:02.000 Play cut 306.

00:21:04.000 Bureau to redo the census to actually get an account of how many Americans with proof of citizenship are in our area, in our country, redistricting some of the House districts.

00:21:15.000 Your thoughts on that?

00:21:16.000 I'll speak for both of us.

00:21:17.000 We love it.

00:21:18.000 We like this one.

00:21:19.000 I know all about it.

00:21:20.000 We want to bring our elections back.

00:21:23.000 The election in 2020 would have raised millions and millions of votes.

00:21:26.000 It had to do with the government and the funding, but it really had to do with the crooked people.

00:21:30.000 The Democrats are very good at cheating.

00:21:33.000 That's what they said too big to bring.

00:21:35.000 one too but after about 902 they gave up too many votes you know too big to rig ron would love it i I would love it.

00:21:44.000 That's what they have to do.

00:21:46.000 They have to bring it back.

00:21:47.000 We have to look, you know, run the anybody that happens to be in this state.

00:21:52.000 California, the California lose like five seats if we get a fair census. 1.00

00:21:57.000 And even beyond that, the Biden census gipped Florida of at least one seat.

00:22:03.000 We only got one seat in the last census.

00:22:05.000 Are you trying to tell me that Florida only had one seat?

00:22:09.000 We should have had at least two.

00:22:11.000 Texas should have had another one. 0.97

00:22:12.000 That could be the difference in the House of Representatives in the majority.

00:22:16.000 So I would love for them to redo the census for 26. 0.99

00:22:20.000 My legislature will redistrict those lines.

00:22:23.000 We'll get it to where it's fair.

00:22:25.000 But as it's right now, this country is not fairly apportioned.

00:22:28.000 First of all, there is incredible depth what they're talking about.

00:22:32.000 And we could talk about the fact of the dynamic duo, but let's actually dive into the details here.

00:22:35.000 I sent out a tweet yesterday.

00:22:37.000 It was performed beautifully.

00:22:38.000 We need to redo the census and only count Americans. 1.00

00:22:42.000 The census was counting illegal aliens, and it was such a scam. 0.99

00:22:46.000 Minnesota was within like 30 people of losing an electoral vote and a congressional seat.

00:22:51.000 30 people.

00:22:53.000 I mean, it was done in such a fraudulent way.

00:22:56.000 Alex, talk about the apportionment topic because it doesn't get talked about enough and how the census in 2020, done by Joe Biden.

00:23:05.000 Well, actually, it wasn't done by Joe Biden.

00:23:07.000 It was done by Trump, but it was stopped by the courts and COVID interrupted it.

00:23:10.000 But should we not redo the census?

00:23:13.000 Of course.

00:23:13.000 We don't have a clear sense of who's a legal migrant and who's an illegal migrant when we do the census.

00:23:18.000 This was done intentionally by the Democrats in order to pad their roles with the amount of congressional seats they have because the apportionment is done state by state and it's based on population.

00:23:29.000 And so if you're of a state like California, where you're counting millions, who knows what that number is, but certainly millions of illegal aliens living in that state, all of those people are contributing to the census so that there are more seats in that state than legal citizens should dictate.

00:23:47.000 This is a clear failure of leadership that we have had this from both parties.

00:23:52.000 But if the Republicans can balance the scales properly, Charlie, then we're going to lose Democrat seats and they're going to be reapportioned to parts of the country where we know they're actual citizens there.

00:24:02.000 Places where people are moving like Florida and Tennessee could pick up seats and places like California are going to lose a bunch of seats.

00:24:08.000 And what these guys are doing, these guys are going so high level.

00:24:11.000 And I just love the creativity of this.

00:24:13.000 That's why we love the alligator Alcatraz so much.

00:24:16.000 They stood this thing up in just a few days.

00:24:19.000 It is designed to send a signal to illegal migrants all over the world, particularly the criminals, that you don't want to mess with us anymore. 0.99

00:24:26.000 It's clever the way it's done because using natural barriers isn't just theatrical.

00:24:29.000 It's also practical because it's cheaper.

00:24:32.000 You've got the alligators there. 0.96

00:24:33.000 You've got pythons there.

00:24:34.000 I mean, could you imagine thinking, I'm going to get out.

00:24:36.000 I'm going to try to escape.

00:24:37.000 And then you run into some pythons.

00:24:39.000 It is such a great idea.

00:24:41.000 And it's one of these things where I love the innovation, the creativity, and the boldness from these guys.

00:24:45.000 And you're right.

00:24:47.000 It is a physical deterrent.

00:24:48.000 It is a deterrent that if you're coming from the third world, you might end up here.

00:24:53.000 And I love that we're playing offense again.

00:24:55.000 By the way, just a little bit of a buried little note here is that the Department of Commerce runs the census.

00:25:03.000 Just people don't actually think about that or know that.

00:25:06.000 Of all the places to do the census, it's the Department of Commerce.

00:25:09.000 And it was incredibly controversial back in 2020.

00:25:14.000 It was remarkably controversial.

00:25:16.000 But just to repeat this for our audience, Alex, so everyone understands.

00:25:20.000 Foreigners are counted in our official tally of the census, which gives Democrats more electoral votes and more congressional seats.

00:25:28.000 If we did an American census, it would result in probably 15 more electoral votes for Republicans.

00:25:37.000 I have the numbers.

00:25:37.000 I have to look at it.

00:25:38.000 And at least 10 more congressional seats for Republicans.

00:25:42.000 We count foreigners in our official tally, which is a silent stimulus for the Democrat Party, Alex. 0.57

00:25:48.000 Yeah, this is it.

00:25:49.000 It's so, it couldn't be more simple that we include residents, not just citizens, in the census.

00:25:56.000 It's crazy.

00:25:57.000 It's crazy.

00:25:58.000 If you're a resident of the United States, you are In the census, and the congressional seats are appropriated by residents, not by citizens, yet only citizens should vote theoretically.

00:26:07.000 And that's why we talk about Victor Davis Hanson's been a leader on this.

00:26:10.000 The concept of the citizen has been watered down by the American left because they see this as their path to the great replacement, which of course is real.

00:26:19.000 They want to replace American, natural-born Americans with foreigners because that's their only path. 0.99

00:26:25.000 They have no path with normal American citizens to continue to win.

00:26:28.000 They can only win if they replace us with foreigners. 1.00

00:26:31.000 This is part of the plan to do that.

00:26:33.000 It's that simple.

00:26:34.000 And the great replacement is absolutely legitimate, without a shadow of a doubt.

00:26:39.000 And so what they want to do is they want to replace the native population. 0.94

00:26:44.000 But what they're really fearful of, imagine this, imagine if we redo the census and we're able to have mass deportations.

00:26:52.000 What could this actually mean for a reapportionment map?

00:26:55.000 Here is the tweet.

00:26:56.000 No, this is not the one.

00:26:58.000 I have an older one.

00:27:00.000 But basically, the ramifications of congressionally and an electoral college are profound.

00:27:05.000 In fact, President Trump would not have to win a single blue wall state in 2024, which he did.

00:27:10.000 He won all three.

00:27:12.000 And if you look at the electoral math, this would break the back of the Democrat Party.

00:27:19.000 I agree with you.

00:27:20.000 I think that if they didn't have this, this is a cheat code that they've got.

00:27:24.000 This hands them a few seats.

00:27:26.000 Think about how tight this BBB vote is going to be.

00:27:30.000 And every vote matters.

00:27:32.000 First of all, if you think of the Senate, obviously, which is not really apropos to this conversation, but every one of those tight Senate races, Charlie, and you campaigned so hard in so many of those that came down to the wire, those ones that got decided late at night, so many of those went Democrat.

00:27:47.000 Each one of those seats would make it so that we wouldn't have to compromise with the moderate rhino cuck wing of the conservative movement of the Republican Party. 0.70

00:27:56.000 We wouldn't have to give handouts to all those people.

00:27:58.000 Every vote counts in a Congress where it's decided by just a handful of votes.

00:28:03.000 Those reapportionments is a difference between maybe a slightly tougher bill or a slightly weaker bill.

00:28:09.000 Maybe there's one last holdout that's demanding something unreasonable the last minute they get it through.

00:28:13.000 They might have gotten it through only because they represent an area that benefited from having an extra district in a state because of these illegal aliens. 0.92

00:28:22.000 All of this stuff matters, and we need to be in a wartime footing to try to right these wrongs.

00:28:26.000 The wartime footing is right. 0.90

00:28:28.000 I believe that the future of the MAGA agenda, Trump's promises, and Western civilization are going to go through three major cities.

00:28:36.000 I think President Trump, if you want to talk about, if we want to get, some people say, oh, you know, the vibes are off.

00:28:40.000 We've got to get the gusto back.

00:28:41.000 If you want to get the gusto back, he needs to have an all-out plan to declare an agenda on L.A., Chicago, and New York.

00:28:51.000 Those are the three cities.

00:28:52.000 It's not going to happen without a full-out focus with precision on all three.

00:28:59.000 It is L.A., Chicago, and New York.

00:29:02.000 It's going to happen on the streets of these cities, and LA in particular, which I know you are very passionate about.

00:29:10.000 By the way, Stephen Miller's been talking about this forever.

00:29:12.000 You've been talking about this forever, Alex, which is that, you know, we can win the heartland, but if you do not go after the central power structure, if you do not get back at the baseline, which is what's happening on the city, the streets of the city of Los Angeles, then we're just tampering at the edges here.

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00:30:27.000 Alex Marlow's with us.

00:30:28.000 Alex, how old are you, Alex?

00:30:30.000 Your late 30s?

00:30:31.000 39, yeah.

00:30:32.000 30.

00:30:33.000 39.

00:30:33.000 So I'm 31.

00:30:34.000 Mom Donnie is 33.

00:30:36.000 Help our audience understand the appeal of Mom Donnie outside of the Muslim thing, outside of the fact he's a communist. 0.58

00:30:43.000 I totally get it because I can view this from a digital millennial prism.

00:30:48.000 I get the audience.

00:30:49.000 Help explain that to some of our audience that is just so perplexed that this guy is now the Democrat candidate and likely next mayor of America's largest city.

00:30:59.000 Well, it's clearly because he eats with his hands.

00:31:01.000 I mean, I think that's the man.

00:31:02.000 He's seen the fork and he's just fighting through it.

00:31:04.000 He's like, I'm going to eat with my hands because I'm going to pander for the online clout.

00:31:07.000 No, Charlie, in all seriousness, what he's doing is he's catering towards the millennial energy.

00:31:13.000 He's smiley.

00:31:14.000 He looks sharp.

00:31:15.000 He's got a good haircut.

00:31:16.000 And he says things that come off as forward thinking, even though we know it's very regressive, the idea of seizing the means of production that's all straight out of marks.

00:31:24.000 But he's positioned himself as someone who is looking down the field and is showing actual leadership.

00:31:29.000 And that is what the appeal is all about.

00:31:31.000 He's packaging all of his messages for a digital age.

00:31:34.000 When he was doing that absurd thing where he wants to have government run grocery stores, which by the way, he misread a budget item in the city budget, which is how he came up with that.

00:31:47.000 He thought there's all this money allocated for corporate grocery stores, which he had misread.

00:31:51.000 So he can't even do this, even if he wanted to.

00:31:53.000 But if you saw the video, he shows up.

00:31:55.000 He's got the little handheld mic that you always see on TikTok, and he's talking into it.

00:31:59.000 And he's catering to a message to people who are maybe new to politics and maybe have not learned from their broken school system how bad socialism is.

00:32:09.000 And so when you go up against a guy like Andrew Cuomo, who is the worst politician in America, I prefer Mom Donnie to Cuomo.

00:32:17.000 I do.

00:32:18.000 After Cuomo killed all those people, essentially for the lawyers, he essentially killed all those people in the nursing homes.

00:32:24.000 He crammed all these sick people in with these innocent elderly people so that they could die during COVID. 0.99

00:32:30.000 That policy is unacceptable. 0.98

00:32:32.000 He's been accused of being a sex past, all that stuff.

00:32:35.000 He's terrible to run that city.

00:32:37.000 So, once you add all that up together, and you can see how he could get through a primary.

00:32:42.000 We're going to do a whole nother show on this.

00:32:43.000 We're going to have Benny Johnson come on the show because he actually went to Cuba with Turning Point USA like five years ago, and he actually showed what a grocery store looks like if the government runs it.

00:32:52.000 And it's no joke.

00:32:53.000 The politics of grocery stores are legit.

00:32:55.000 You might remember back in the late 80s, I think it was Gorbachev that came to America and he saw the American grocery stores for himself, and he was blown away.

00:33:05.000 He could not believe it.

00:33:06.000 He was like, you guys have so much abundance.

00:33:09.000 He was speechless.

00:33:10.000 The politics of grocery stores is not to be made fun of.

00:33:13.000 Alex, last question.

00:33:15.000 How do we beat Mom Dani?

00:33:17.000 We should not give up on New York.

00:33:18.000 We should not say, oh, let it burn.

00:33:20.000 That is BS. 0.95

00:33:21.000 That's nonsense.

00:33:21.000 That's like the Roman Empire giving up on Rome.

00:33:24.000 That's like the Greeks giving up on Athens. 0.62

00:33:25.000 That's like the British Empire giving up on London.

00:33:28.000 That is cope. 0.97

00:33:29.000 How do we beat this Muslim communist? 1.00

00:33:32.000 Well, if you want to beat him, then the first thing is Curtis Lee was got to drop out. 0.98

00:33:35.000 Cuomo cannot run.

00:33:36.000 And everyone's got to consolidate behind Adams, who and Adams has got to, I think, work with Trump, come up with some sort of way to work with Trump when it comes to ICE stuff and try to position himself as a moderate, more of like a Federman-esque type Democrat, even better than Federman, because Federman always ends up voting wrong every time.

00:33:53.000 So, but that would be the path forward.

00:33:55.000 I do think Adams could win in that case.

00:33:58.000 And I think that as more people point out that this guy's policies are not going to work.

00:34:02.000 And also, he's not authentic, is that he comes from a, you know, Ivy League educated parents who benefited from this country's largesse.

00:34:11.000 And then for him to act like we want to throw out everything that made America special and to go with Marxism and socialism that has never worked anywhere, especially not in this country.

00:34:20.000 I think the more people who actually are confronted with that reality, I don't think he'll necessarily be able to make it all the way to a general.

00:34:27.000 Breaking news.

00:34:28.000 Stay there, no.

00:34:29.000 We got to go.

00:34:29.000 But breaking news, President Trump has said that we're just going to arrest Mom Dani if he blocks ICE.

00:34:34.000 That is exactly the right answer, Mr. President.

00:34:36.000 We're not going to let some uppity 33-year-old socialists get in the way of the mass deportation agenda.

00:34:41.000 Zo Ran Mom Dani, okay?

00:34:43.000 Take a seat.

00:34:46.000 We are in the driver's seat here.

00:34:47.000 The American people are.

00:34:48.000 We're not going to allow a foreign third world agenda take over America's largest city. 1.00

00:34:53.000 Alex, thank you so much.

00:34:54.000 That's Alex Marlow from the Alex Marlow Show, editor-in-chief at Breitbart.com.

00:34:58.000 Thank you so much.

00:34:59.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:00.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:03.000 Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 01, 2025

Musk vs. Trump, Round 2

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