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00:01:17.000We finally are able to speak openly about a topic that we've been leading on, and I have here my handy-dandy Nebraska hat, and we can talk openly about the update out of what happened in Nebraska.
00:01:31.000Now, we've been working on this, everybody, for the last six months?
00:01:37.000And, Blake, remind people the story, how we got into this.
00:01:40.000Okay, yeah, so the full setup here was, it was, we were looking at some polls in, yeah, about sometime in the spring, about April, and the poll, Biden was still in the race then, and there were some polls coming out, and it shook out that if you looked at all of those polls and the averages that were on RealClearPolitics, That if you just assumed the averages were all correct, and that that was what it would be on election day, and you plug that into the Electoral College, the result would be Joe Biden would win 270 to 268.
00:02:10.000He would, you know, he would lose Georgia, he would lose Arizona, he would lose Nevada, but he would keep Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.
00:02:49.000Senator Lippincott, he'd introduced it and it was just held up in the legislature.
00:02:54.000Apparently it wasn't going to go forward and we, you know, they were still in session then, so our initial thing was let's whip up some pressure on the legislature.
00:03:15.000And it was wild how rapid the response was on Twitter, because, you know, we just laid it out that this is, you know, as you, the book wasn't out yet, but like, you know, we were, you talked about in the book that, like, you know, you need a Republican Party that wants to win, and this is an electoral vote that's there, and as we said, this wasn't illegal or underhanded, this wasn't some gross distortion of electoral proceedings, it was, make Nebraska's rule the same as All the other, all 48 of the other 50 states, and have it be winner take all, we would take this vote that was very likely to go blue, and make it red, and it could save us from losing in a situation that wasn't the most likely, like the dominant outcome, but it was a very real possibility.
00:03:59.000And so, this produced this huge response, and what I loved about it was how not only did we whip people up, but you were immediately, like, calling people, saying, look, let's get a venue in Nebraska, in Omaha, get some people there.
00:04:16.000We created a whole war room strategy, and I want to be clear, Andrew, talk about that event, but also, some people in the audience say, oh, Charlie, you let this issue go.
00:04:24.000No, guys, that's what we're here finally able to talk openly about.
00:04:28.000For the last five months, on a daily basis, including multiple trips to Nebraska, we've been working on this issue.
00:04:35.000Andrew, talk about how we took this and we didn't let this go.
00:04:40.000Well, my favorite piece of this whole story is actually the New York Times, The Daily, their podcast today.
00:04:49.000episode just on what this audience, what this show, what Charlie did and Turning Point did to create this
00:05:00.000They laid the timeline out from the time of the tweet to the broadcast, they actually had clips of Charlie on air.
00:05:09.000And next thing you know, there was a comment from Governor Pillen within hours because you guys in this audience lit up the phone boards in Nebraska.
00:05:19.000You were calling your legislators, Nebraskans were, and then Trump went out on Truth, did a Truth social post about it.
00:05:29.000So within less than 24 hours, this became a national news story.
00:05:34.000And it was all because of this audience.
00:05:35.000It was all because of the work everybody was doing.
00:05:38.000And then I think to Blake's point, it was like five days, about five or six days later,
00:05:43.000we had a whole event, winner take all, rally in Omaha and massive, massive attendance.
00:05:54.000The grassroots were pumped up and excited about this because they call this the blue dot in the middle of Nebraska.
00:06:01.000And Charlotte, one thing I would love for you to talk about and explain is how this blue dot invites all of this outside the state of Nebraska money to pour in Completely for Trump, except for this one up for grabs district.
00:06:20.000And so tons of outside money, millions and millions and millions pours in for one electoral vote.
00:06:26.000And I think it really is a disservice to the people of Nebraska to allow that to continue.
00:07:58.000And when I confronted, and we met with the governor, and I'll tell you about that because the governor's a good actor in this story, but I think he could have done more, but that's a separate issue.
00:08:07.000And when I was talking to some of these senators and some of the people involved, they kept on saying, yeah, but it would just invite too much controversy.
00:08:15.000I kid you not everybody so just to be very clear Kamala Harris might become president because of this and we'll talk we'll walk the breaking news yesterday the swing vote Mike McDonnell who's not the villain of the story actually I think he's actually covering for some of the other senator yeah I think he's the guy they put all the attention on hundred percent he I mean the idiom he uses he didn't want to be caught holding his you-know-what like because he was A Democrat who'd become a Republican.
00:08:54.000And so he came out and announced this because it was clear it wasn't going to happen, and you know more about that.
00:08:59.000Yeah, and so all the headlines are, Mike McDonald's very smart, the way they did this is they have the former Dem kind of take all the arrows.
00:09:54.000That is the mentality of the Republican Party across the country.
00:09:59.000And so, we received this bad news yesterday.
00:10:02.000We lobbied like crazy, public awareness, behind the scenes, everything we could, and we received the disappointing news.
00:10:09.000But I told you guys, I'm going to tell you the full story, and we will, about how a couple people in Nebraska said, huh, I'm becoming president.
00:12:14.000Why did we as an outside group and a radio show, Andrew, have to make multiple visits to Nebraska, have to spend some time, money, and thank you all of you that donate to Turning Point.
00:12:24.000You guys make projects like this possible, and I don't regret any of this.
00:13:12.000They've called him hateful for so long that they don't want to be seen as guilty of any of those things.
00:13:17.000So they stay out of Anything, the line of fire, whenever the fight gets tough, you know, you call them sunshine patriots, right?
00:13:25.000All they want to talk about is tax codes and all the stuff that wouldn't get them embroiled in any sort of controversy because they have been trained like a beat dog to avoid that stuff.
00:13:38.000And what we have done, I think, a turning point that is so instrumental in what you, Charlie, deserve a ton of credit for, actually, And there's other voices like Tucker and some of these other voices that have gone into the firing line as opposed to running away from it, as we are trying to reform the conservative movement to not be afraid of the fight.
00:13:58.000And we've tried to create an army of voices that will support and defend people that are doing the right thing.
00:14:04.000But I think when you go out into the middle of the country and you go to some of these long-held conservative areas, these red pockets of the country, they are just not used to it.
00:14:15.000Their muscles have atrophied and they just want to go to the football games.
00:14:18.000They just want to be in polite society.
00:14:23.000Or spoken down to or spoken negatively of.
00:14:26.000Their reputation, their local prestige is what they do this for, and they don't want to put that in jeopardy.
00:14:32.000So they're just not ready for a real fight, sadly, too many of them.
00:14:36.000So I brought Blake with me, and we worked the Nebraska football game, which by the way, our plan was actually really smart, which is the Nebraska football game is like the Met Gala.
00:14:49.000So if you want to lobby for something, you go to the Nebraska football game.
00:14:52.000It makes you wonder, like, how many things in Nebraska's history or, you know, state history generally are decided at these backroom negotiations at football games.
00:15:22.000The governor's not the villain of the story by any means.
00:15:24.000The governor wanted to do the right thing.
00:15:26.000I think the governor could have done more and prioritized it.
00:15:29.000I think what we both agree on is, a lot of people, like the governor, he only wanted to call the special session if it would be a win, and if he had all the votes there.
00:15:39.000And that's where I disagreed with him.
00:15:40.000And our sense was, if you call it, then you're making it very clear who the holdouts are, the pressure is on them, and that is likely to get you over the hump.
00:15:50.000But you have to take the risk that it might not work.
00:15:54.000And the strategy we were pitching is, call the session, turn this into a national issue, and make them, in front of millions of people, vote yes or no.
00:16:27.000They have, you need basically 33 votes to do anything, and they can filibuster pretty much like they can at the federal level.
00:16:33.000Now, imagine if you could filibuster in the U.S.
00:16:36.000Senate up to 66 votes, and that's kind of what they have going on in Nebraska.
00:16:41.000And so I think they're not very used to doing aggressive stuff to ram things through.
00:16:47.000They've had this filibuster a very long time.
00:16:50.000Another thing is, in states like Nebraska, where the Republican Party has been dominant a very long time, I think it actually means you get a different sort of person.
00:16:59.000Because people who just sort of want to go into politics because they like being in power, they like having the status of it.
00:17:07.000They end up being Republicans as opposed to at the national level where they're Democrats
00:17:10.000So you kind of get certain types of people who maybe aren't that
00:17:14.000Dispositionally conservative about it. There's a lot of factors that go into it and I think a lot of them just didn't
00:17:20.000get it either They didn't get the stakes
00:17:23.000You didn't vote for this recession or inflation But you sure as heck have to pay for it at the pump at the
00:17:29.000grocery store and with that growing stack of unpaid bills I know your financial stress is crushing you.
00:18:14.000Let's just continue further into this.
00:18:16.000And just to be very clear, my voice issues are disguising my anger.
00:18:23.000I would be far more animated, but getting angry does me no good right now, because we need to have a voice to make sure we win the election.
00:18:36.000All right, so this is the Electoral College map that got us so animated.
00:18:40.000I think I literally made it on the same website and everything.
00:18:43.000That's where you can see, that's the results where we would get Georgia back, we would get Arizona back, and we would flip Nevada, but we still lose the blue wall, the old blue wall state.
00:18:52.000Yeah, so let's just press pause really quick.
00:19:23.000Just so everyone is clear, on the Pod Save America, former Obama alums, they brag every single week about how Republicans have no idea how important the blue dot from Nebraska gives Kamala Harris a chance to the presidency.
00:19:37.000A blue wall victory is not complete without Omaha's blue dot.
00:19:42.000Uh, and then when we started to do work on it, they started to freak out.
00:19:44.000There was an article that went very viral on the left when they realized Maine couldn't, because Maine also does this and they're controlled by Democrats, and their early thought was, oh, well, if we do it, Maine will just counter.
00:19:56.000But Maine actually could not pass a bill this late in the cycle.
00:20:59.000I just, I can't help but interject here that we, that Democrats wouldn't do this to us.
00:21:03.000Are they, are they talking about the same Democrat party that indicted President Trump four times, that sent grandmas from January 6th into federal prison?
00:21:13.000Are they talking about the same Democrat party that is literally flooding the nation's interior with thousands and thousands of Haitians and other immigrants in Trinidad and Tobago, like gang members from Venezuela?
00:21:25.000Are they talking about the same, Democrat Party that you and I have witnessed its ruthlessness, that want to pack the Supreme Court, that want to get rid of the filibuster to pass endless abortion laws.
00:21:42.000And how do you not pay attention to the news over the last eight, nine years and not realize that this is a ruthless, cunning, Party that we are dealing with that is so Machiavellian that the ends completely justify any means.
00:21:56.000Meanwhile, you are inviting tens of millions of foreign dollars, outside state dollars, to flood your local airwaves every year to skew an electoral vote.
00:22:06.000I mean, it's shocking and I think I share our audience's frustration when you say things Like, like that.
00:22:16.000It's crazy, while Andrew was talking there, so we have a bunch of TVs that you just can't see, but it's different channels, and NBC was on, and NBC News had a thing on the Cornhusker campaign, and I don't know what they were saying, we can't hear it.
00:22:30.000Yeah, they were paying attention to this.
00:22:33.000This, just to be clear, if we would have been able to pull this off, which we did everything we could, I mean, this would have made Kamala Harris's chances of the presidency less than 20%.
00:22:45.000But again, Nebraska Republicans, they're cool with Kamala being president.
00:22:51.000And it's such a, it's, this is another sad thing.
00:22:53.000I think, very truthfully, a pattern we noticed was just a lot of them would not, like they weren't aware of how important this would be.
00:23:01.000And this is just such a critical information failure.
00:23:05.000I feel like a basic thing if you are a state level or above political actor in the United States is you should know, you know, seventh grade civics.
00:23:16.000You should know how we elect the president and how many electoral votes you need and how it works.
00:23:24.000And what we ran into repeatedly is then like raising an eyebrow and going like, oh, I didn't, I didn't know it could matter that much.
00:23:32.000And we've even run into that sometimes, like at the national level, not to name names, but like, you know, we'll ask people like, what's the, you know, what do you see as the math for the election?
00:23:42.000And they, it's like, they aren't aware that you need 270 electoral votes to win.
00:23:46.000I will say I've dealt with a lot of people throughout the years that don't know the path to victory that work on campaigns.
00:23:52.000Also there are people who are like, we're going to win California!
00:25:35.000And the government's like, oh, we don't want you to do that.
00:25:37.000Here, just fill out this app, and then you can fly in, and we'll just send you directly there, and then, you know, put you on, and then we'll give you, they call it parole, so they have a program, they put you on parole while your asylum case is heard.
00:25:49.000And it's this elaborate legal song and dance for what is de facto any person from Haiti, any person from Venezuela, Any person from Nicaragua can just come to America and go wherever.
00:26:47.000Yeah, I know, all of a sudden we're gonna like, he's gonna have a press conference, we're gonna mobilize the 101st Infantry and, you know, annex the football stadium or something, I don't know, it's bizarre.
00:27:00.000And so, this guy, Senator Tom Brandt, I had the conversation with him.
00:27:05.000I don't want to talk about all the private details, but his essence was like, too late in the game, too controversial, and I don't want to deal with the controversy.
00:27:12.000Now, to be clear and fair, apparently he said his mind was changing because of Senator Lindsey Graham.
00:30:52.000Every reporter that I've spoken with and showed them the videos and sent the links to the tweets and things like that, they're blown away.
00:31:01.000I've been doing this with you long enough, Charlie.
00:31:03.000And I've said this on the show, in your absence, that, you know, a couple years ago, we were lucky if we got six or seven people that came out, and then there would be like two dozen protesters or more.
00:31:15.000And now there are literally thousands of students waiting for Charlie, waiting for the team when they arrive.
00:31:43.000And by the way, Charlie, massive kudos to you and the team at Turning Point Action that is partnering on this tour and is registering voters.
00:31:52.000And by the way, Charlie, this goes back to the spring semester as well.
00:33:09.000And what this goes to is things like TikTok, YouTube, the messages getting out folks, this This is civilizationally defining, changing stuff that's happening under the radar, and nobody knows about it.
00:33:23.000The press has not figured it out yet, but when they see our numbers someday, they're going to realize what happened.
00:33:31.000Speaking of numbers, Blake, do you want to walk through the final math?
00:33:33.000So now, because of the Nebraska news, and again, this is it, we're done talking about Nebraska after this, and happy—the senators that are in question, by the way, again, I can only speak to my conversations.
00:33:43.000I did not speak to Senator Hughes, but she was a no.
00:34:36.000The good news is this is less likely to matter than it was when Biden was running.
00:34:40.000This was very likely to be a very crucial thing when Biden was running because he was all in on the Rust Belt.
00:34:46.000Kamala, the math is a little different.
00:34:48.000Kamala, compared to Biden, is proportionally less strong in the old Rust Belt and stronger in the Sun Belt.
00:34:56.000So she's looking, polls show her quite shaky in Pennsylvania.
00:35:00.000Pennsylvania is definitely more winnable than Michigan and Wisconsin.
00:35:04.000It's looking increasingly like we've had good stuff.
00:35:06.000You have Senator Fetterman going around saying like Trump has very special appeal here.
00:35:12.000Internal polls, even from Democrats, are suggesting that's bad news.
00:35:17.000What we also have to think about is what we discussed yesterday on this show, which is North Carolina has become a much shakier state for us.
00:35:24.000The latest poll shows Mark Robinson down 14 points, which means Trump might lose North Carolina.