00:01:05.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:14.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:41.000Trinity Church and also the author of a very important book, New Days Old Demons, one of the best, most important Bible teachers in the country and the world, actually, Mark Driscoll.
00:02:21.000And so it's always timely because it's over all the times.
00:02:25.000And so for me, if you can't connect what's going on in the culture with what's said in the scripture, people have no idea how to interpret everything that they're going through.
00:02:36.000I was preaching through 1 and 2 Kings, book in the Old Testament, and realized that the same things that they were dealing with in the ancient nation of Israel about 3,000 years ago are exactly the same cultural, political issues we're dealing with today.
00:02:50.000So it got me asking, if you see the same issues happening in different cultures and different nations and different governments with different people, what's the causation?
00:03:00.000And it's spiritual, that people come and go, but the demons remain the same.
00:03:04.000And what we're dealing with is truly demonic.
00:03:07.000The progressive agenda, wokeism, kind of soft beta-mail, woke Christianity is all demonic and it's ancient paganism.
00:03:15.000And it's the same thing that happened in the days of Elijah.
00:03:18.000So let's go through some of the characters, Ahab, Jezebel, Elijah.
00:03:21.000For the uninitiated audience, who are these people and why does it matter?
00:03:25.000So 3,000 years ago in the nation of Israel, they were supposed to be like us, a nation founded under God, and they weren't.
00:04:01.000Well, you said it, and I didn't disagree with it.
00:04:04.000And so what you have, anytime you have a passive leader and a controlling, domineering, overbearing partner, the point is this, if you tolerate, they will dominate.
00:04:15.000And so the entire pride movement, the entire trans agenda, the entire LGBTQIA alphabet soup people agenda is tolerate.
00:04:24.000And Jesus talks about a thousand years later about Jezebel.
00:04:28.000Jezebel was not just an ancient queen, but a spirit.
00:04:31.000And he says, you tolerate that woman, Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess.
00:04:35.000She's a highly religious, highly seductive, highly spiritual leader.
00:04:39.000She teaches false doctrine and she leads people into sexual immorality.
00:04:44.000And so from Jezebel to the book of Revelation, the Lord Jesus, there's a thousand-year gap because the demons are the same, even though the people change.
00:04:53.000And so what we're dealing with today in the church is Ahab and Jezebel.
00:04:57.000In Christianity, most denominations are led by Ahab.
00:05:09.000And anytime you tolerate, they dominate.
00:05:11.000If you tolerate like Ahab, then the Jezebel spirit comes in, dominates, takes over, controls, seduces, sexualizes.
00:05:19.000And in their days, that included child sacrifice, which was the precursor to government-sponsored abortion to the Canaanite god Molech.
00:05:27.000It also included genital mutilation, transgenderism.
00:05:31.000And in the days of Ahab and Jezebel, they were dealing with drag queens overtaking.
00:05:36.000And so what you had then, the Jezebel spirit takes over the government, closes the churches, as we saw globally during COVID, took over the Christian schools, took over the economy, canceled, deplatformed, and killed anyone who disagreed.
00:05:49.000And this is an entire demonic agenda to replace God with government.
00:05:53.000That's what's going on in the days of Elijah.
00:06:14.000And they know, you know, every pothead knows one verse, God made every seed-bearing plant, and the liberals know one verse, thou shalt not judge.
00:06:24.000Now, if you dig deep into the Bible, you'll find, as Jordan Peterson has recently, it's the most amazing, fascinating, incredible book that's ever written.
00:07:42.000I mean, he's, I mean, Hugh Hefner's like, that dude's next level, you know?
00:07:45.000And so he starts worshiping foreign gods.
00:07:48.000Starts opening pagan temples and sacrifices, including child sacrifice.
00:07:54.000And so, and so ultimately, what that leads to is five generations of this evil, demonic family, and you see this slow decline in government.
00:08:14.000And the story of the Bible is we're bad and getting worse.
00:08:17.000And so, what you see in 1 Kings 16 is five generations, one to the next, of this corrupt political family.
00:08:25.000And the truth is, America has been largely dominated by a handful of corrupt political families for generations.
00:08:31.000And then, what happens is it gets to the point where it is so dark, it is so despicable, that literally the government is against God because the conflict is always between God and government.
00:08:42.000God says, I have all authority, and government says we want to remove God and replace God, and we want to be the highest authority.
00:08:51.000We can set up heaven on earth through policy and taxation.
00:08:55.000And then the government tries to, in the days of Elijah, is our day, take over education, take over entertainment, take over the economy, take over the church.
00:09:04.000And so, then what happens is it gets so dark, so damnable, so despicable, and God's people are so squeezed and they're so hopeless that God sends Elijah.
00:09:40.000And so, what I love about it is usually when you think of Christianity, you think of like the that soft beta male, gender-confused, skinny jeans, you know, feathered hair with frosted tips, you know, bad voice.
00:09:53.000Like Judas Smith, Levi Lusko, people like that.
00:10:16.000And that's what we really need right now.
00:10:18.000Everybody who's coming out of Bible college, seminary, everybody who's coming out of some sort of established political party is just a neutered, compromised beta male, and we need more Elijahs.
00:10:29.000Yeah, it's a bunch of cowardly eunuchs calling themselves pastors.
00:11:52.000And as a result, if you are like Ahab, then you're going to get Jezebel.
00:11:56.000Jezebel comes in, is domineering, overbearing, highly controlling, and very, very sexual.
00:12:02.000And what you see, wherever the Jezebel spirit is at work.
00:12:05.000So the two primary deities in their day, the false gods, were Baal, the male god, and Astra, the female god.
00:12:12.000And so what you see is these two demonic spirits working through these two political leaders.
00:12:17.000And so at the end of the day, the way it works itself out is the Jezebel spirit castrates males, literally castrates males, emotionally, spiritually, but also physically.
00:12:28.000So Jezebel, all of the ancient artwork about her, highly pornographic, highly seductive.
00:12:34.000You're talking about gender bending and all kinds of sickness.
00:12:38.000When they go to arrest her, a guy named Jehu in 2 Kings 9, it says that she painted her face so that she could try and seduce him.
00:12:45.000Her way is to sleep her way out of all of her problems.
00:12:48.000And that she was, quote, surrounded by her eunuchs.
00:12:51.000So to literally, the job description to go work for Jezebel is, you've got to cut your junk off.
00:12:59.000He was a eunuch in the kingdom of Babylon under the spirit of Babel.
00:13:02.000And so literally, to worship the Jezebelian spirit and to serve it, you have to be a man who's willing to undergo genital mutilation.
00:13:11.000So I started looking at this, and I found in the, there's the, University of Chicago's got an academic journal called the History of Religions.
00:13:19.000And they trace that everywhere there has been a dominant feminine female deity and spirituality in the history of the world, all religions, all cultures, all times and places, the men who are serving her have to castrate themselves and become transgender.
00:13:36.000And then they started looking at it, and they asked this interesting question.
00:13:40.000They're asking, if we're seeing all the men castrate themselves in every generation in different religions and places, but these people never intersected, how did it leap from one place to another?
00:13:57.000And Augustine, the church father, said that in his day, the greatest threat to the spread of Christianity in the early Roman Empire were these Cybelean priests who were male drag queens who castrated themselves, painted their faces, wore women's clothes, went out in public.
00:14:17.000He said their necks were so limp they could barely keep their head up, and they did story hours for children in the fourth century.
00:14:26.000So everything you're seeing on the progressive left is nothing but regressive paganism.
00:14:32.000And everything you're seeing with the gender spectrum is literally demonic because God made us male and female.
00:14:40.000And then Satan wants us to be remade as something other than male and female.
00:14:45.000And so I'm just telling you what they dealt with in the days of Daniel, the castration of healthy young men, the castration of men in the days of Jezebel continued through the early church in the days of Augustine, continues to our day.
00:15:02.000And what you get in denominations, not to interrupt you, you get these Ahab passive, weak, woke, cowardly pastors that will tell you what they're for, but not what they're against, and they're not up for the fight.
00:15:15.000And it is the masculine role to say no.
00:15:28.000And he shows up and he just rebukes them.
00:15:30.000He calls down fire from heaven and then he slaughters over 400 of their false prophets.
00:15:35.000Imagine a pastor today that had the stones to pick a fight and then slaughter 400 denominational leaders, slit their throats as a public event.
00:16:01.000Some are cowards and they took the job because it's indoor, doesn't require any heavy lifting.
00:16:06.000Some guys were over-mothered and underfathered, and so they, you know, they feel at home in the church like they did in their mom's house.
00:16:14.000Some guys, they have church hurt and they're bitter and they're deconstructionist and they need to just get over their hurt and grow up and be a grown man.
00:16:22.000For some of them, they're just poorly read and they've spent more money on their wardrobe than they have their library.
00:16:28.000As we say often, too many churches have become TED Talks with a rock concert, skinny jeans, and look at my new shoes.
00:16:36.000It's what passes American Christianity.
00:16:37.000But check out the coffee bar, everybody, but I'm not going to tell you about sin.
00:17:46.000The book is New Days Old Demons by Mark Driscoll, who's a legend.
00:17:49.000Study of Elijah, sex, gender, ancient paganism masquerading as progressive Christianity, victims of nothing, woke politics, the transgender Jezebel spirit that castrates men, and the passive Ahab Soft, woke Christian beta male spirit, leading the conga line.
00:18:21.000So let me ask you some questions I have.
00:18:23.000I know our audience has, just about some confusion.
00:18:25.000And I've had an opportunity to speak at over 120 churches across the country, and there's a lot of agreement on the demonic and Satan, but I hear different things.
00:18:32.000And when I ask questions, I'm actually told different things.
00:18:35.000What does the Bible tell us about Satan?
00:18:37.000Is it true that Satan and or Lucifer rebelled as an angel of God?
00:18:47.000Who is Satan and how much power does he have?
00:18:49.000Yeah, if you go to realfaith.com, all my Bible teaches.
00:18:51.000Yeah, and if you go to realfaith.com, all my Bible teaching is free.
00:18:54.000You get what you pay for, lower your expectations, but it's all there.
00:18:58.000And there's a book I wrote with my wife in a series I did called Win Your War, and it's all on Satan and the demonic, and it's all free.
00:19:04.000But anyways, there's one God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and then there are two realms that form one reality.
00:19:11.000There is the unseen realm of the spirit, and then there's the physical realm that we inhabit.
00:19:17.000And what's interesting is the entire progressive woke world downplays or denies the spiritual altogether.
00:19:23.000So like the DSM, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Health Disorders on How to Help People Who Are Struggling, mentions the soul zero times.
00:19:33.000There is no acknowledgement that you have a soul.
00:19:38.000We have a physical body and a spiritual soul.
00:19:41.000Our physical body was built for this world.
00:19:43.000Our soul was built to connect with God in that world.
00:19:47.000And so, in that way, what we experience as human beings correlates with the reality that God made.
00:19:53.000So, there's one God, and as there are beings that inhabit our physical world, men and women, there are beings that inhabit the spiritual world, angels and demons, all started as angels.
00:20:04.000Angels are messengers and ministers, servants of God.
00:22:00.000And so my wife Grace and I have been faithfully married 30 years.
00:22:04.000And it's not because every day she puts a gun to my head, but because I choose to love her.
00:22:08.000And so you can get obedience without love and agency, but you can't get love without agency.
00:22:14.000And so God allows choice and freedom and will so that there can be love and genuine relationships.
00:22:21.000And so what we're seeing, you know, right now in our world, it's spiritual.
00:22:26.000There are physical realities, but they're caused by spiritual entities.
00:22:31.000I mean, how else do you explain like human trafficking and drug cartels and open border and mutilation of children in the name of care and state seizing custody of children with mental health disorders like gender dysphoria?
00:22:44.000How do you have, you know, our world exist where everything that is dark is called light and everything that is wrong is called right.
00:22:54.000There is an agenda that's at work to destroy everyone and everything that God made.
00:23:00.000And so what we're living through, and this gets to your book, New Days, Old Demons, is that there are certain demons or spirits, as you say, spirit of Jezebel, or it could be remanifested in the spirit of Aphrodite, right?
00:23:30.000And so, I mean, there was recently a study that came out, I think it was this week, that seven in 10 Americans, I think it was according to Gallup, believe in angels.
00:24:11.000And I think there's a lot of confusion.
00:24:12.000I think that's what's driving general vague spirituality, deconstructionism, progressive Christianity, the woke joke folk, the BLM Christians, and the rainbow flag pastors who've come out of Satan's closet.
00:24:24.000I think it's all the same demonic forces.
00:24:26.000You've been doing this for 20, 30 years?
00:24:51.000I taught the Bible basically near the chop zone in the People's Republic of Seattle for about 20 years, which every day was like a double date with Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.
00:24:59.000I mean, it was always very interesting.
00:26:17.000Some go fast, some go slow, but all go left and all go down.
00:26:22.000And that's an interesting segue to something I want to talk about, which is you say, as it was in either the days of Daniel or Elijah, sometimes we'll have people on the program that say, we're living to the days of Noah.
00:26:33.000And that's an interesting comparison because Christ our Lord say, I'm paraphrasing, the days of Noah will show us when the end times are here.
00:26:42.000I take no strong opinions on eschatology.
00:26:44.000I do believe in what the Bible says Jesus will return.
00:26:49.000But Mark, can you just comment, do you think we are in the end times or do you think it's a little bit tricky to say declaratively we are in the end times?
00:26:59.000So Jesus uses this language of birth pains.
00:27:02.000And birth pains, so right now, literally, my daughter-in-law is having birth pains.
00:27:07.000My first grandchild, a grandson, will be born any minute.
00:27:11.000So if I run out of here, that's where I'm going.
00:27:13.000And so what she's experiencing right now is birth pains, contractions, dilation.
00:27:36.000Out of the greatest pain comes new life.
00:27:40.000And so if you believe in Jesus' analogy, the closer we get to the end, the same things will be happening with more intensity and frequency.
00:28:08.000But I think if we look at it right now, you'd have to say that at some point, human life on the earth is going to either come to an end or it's going to be delivered from itself.
00:28:18.000And this is the story of every major Hollywood movie.
00:29:09.000Closed schools, closed churches, caused perfectly sane people to do perfectly insane things, caused people who are at next to zero risk to shut down their life, to sit at home, a whole generation of men to exit the workforce, not get married.
00:29:34.000And so what I don't want to do is look into the future with fear.
00:29:36.000I want to look into the future with faith.
00:29:38.000And I want to say if it's getting worse, I shouldn't be scared.
00:29:41.000I should be glad because it means that Jesus is getting near.
00:29:44.000Yeah, and that's, you know, some people say, because some objections to my life's work, which is to, you know, try to save Western civilization, as futile as that effort might be, is that Charlie's not falling apart, has fallen into place.
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00:32:17.000The potential downside of overemphasizing that we're in the escaton or the end times, right?
00:32:52.000So they heard Jesus was coming back and they thought it was in like 15 to 17 minutes.
00:32:57.000So they all quit their jobs and started racking up their credit cards and dudes weren't getting married and they're just kind of sitting out in lawn chairs looking up, you know, waiting for the fireball.
00:33:07.000And Paul's like, go back to work, get married, live your life.
00:33:14.000And so every generation, somebody comes out, you know, with a chart and a graph, and usually it's in crayon on an ammo box and not super official, but they're like, I figured it out.
00:34:13.000But I just want to do what I'm supposed to do until I'm dead or he returns.
00:34:18.000Do you think that, and I don't have any strong opinions anyway, do you think that the overemphasis, though, on this has created, let's just say, complacent behavior?
00:35:21.000The calls to action, items to fight against these old demons that seem to have dominion over our land.
00:35:27.000So there's us, but through sin, we have surrendered to Satan, who is now the prince of this world, the God of this world, the God of the air.
00:38:05.000I mean, if you see that he is weak and woke, then who he is is worse because all you're getting is a portion of who they truly are and what they truly believe.
00:38:15.000And what happens with weak and woke pastors, they keep moving the line until there is no line.
00:39:31.000I mean, all of a sudden, the spirit of Jezebel closed down the church in the days of Elijah on planet Earth, but only in the nation of Israel.
00:39:38.000The Jezebel spirit a few years ago didn't just take over a nation.
00:40:25.000And I'm an Eagle Scout, so it's like this to see the destruction of that institution.
00:40:29.000Yeah, no, and so if you're a Bible-believing Christian, or if you're just a sane heterosexual human being, you walk around and you're like, I feel like nowhere is home for me.
00:40:40.000And I think that's where church needs to be countercultural.
00:40:43.000It needs to be separated from the world, but open to the world.
00:40:48.000And it's like, this is where we believe the Bible.
00:41:22.000You're like, hey, man, you know, give me a one-way ticket as soon as possible.
00:41:27.000But the point is not to just get to heaven, but to get heaven to us.
00:41:31.000That's where Jesus prays, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
00:41:34.000And so what we want is we want heaven to come to us before we get to heaven.
00:41:39.000And so how do you live your life in the presence of God with the people of God by the power of God so that so that this world is actually a little bit enjoyable before it's over?
00:41:49.000And so I always like to tell our people, if you're not a Christian, this is your heaven, and you're going to hell.
00:41:55.000This is as close to heaven as you will ever be.
00:41:59.000If you are a Christian, this is your hell.
00:42:02.000This is as close to hell as you will ever be, and heaven awaits you.
00:42:06.000And so, you know, for us, like this is our hell.
00:42:10.000But how do we get heaven to visit us so that we have a little hope until we get to our heaven?
00:42:15.000Some people say we shouldn't even try to do that, right?
00:42:52.000Anything, I always ask this of our guests, anything we did not cover in the book that you want to make sure you emphasize that in the themes because you put a lot of work in it.
00:43:01.000Well, for those who are Christian, you need to see the world through the Bible.
00:43:08.000And so what we tend to do is we have like our news feed and our Bible teaching.
00:43:13.000I want to put the Bible teaching in front of the newsfeed.
00:43:17.000And I don't want to just look at the scriptures.
00:43:19.000I want to look through the scriptures to the world that we're living in and the demons that we're fighting against and the experiences that we're having.
00:43:25.000For those who are maybe church hurt, been through a rough season, pick up the book, forgive the people that have hurt you, and find God and separate God and the church so that you can get back to God and maybe then find a good church.
00:43:40.000For those who are conservative, but they're not Christian, you're halfway there.
00:43:44.000You need Jesus Christ because you don't need to know just what's wrong with the world, but the only hope and hero for it, and his name is Jesus.
00:43:52.000Once you start drinking from the streams of liberty, you're going to want to find its source.
00:43:56.000Jesus says, Yeah, I'm going to set you free.
00:45:14.000And if you look at Elijah and you look at all the prophets and you look at Daniel and you look at Joseph, usually the government hates them and God loves them and they're a sledgehammer for justice.
00:45:55.000And so I will obey the government until it disobeys God, and then I will appear to the higher authority because government doesn't have innate authority.
00:46:03.000It has derivative authority that comes from God.
00:46:05.000Our whole nation is founded on that principle.
00:46:08.000And so many times, Mark, I heard pastors say, Charlie, I'm closing down mandating masks because of Romans 13.
00:46:14.000I'm like, man, your theology is so shallow, man.