00:00:00.000Hey, everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:01.000It's time for the states to take a stand.
00:00:04.000Abe Hamade, who's running for Attorney General of Arizona, joins us.
00:00:07.000And also, we talk about some of the declassified programs of the Central Intelligence Agency, Cointel Pro, Operation Mockingbird.
00:00:14.000If you don't know about them, you should.
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00:01:33.000You have to start to think like a dissident in your own country.
00:01:36.000I know this is difficult, and this is one of the only disagreements I have with the repetition of saying there are more of us than there are of them.
00:01:49.000That is true, but it also, I think, is misleading in the sense of how are we supposed to think about our activism and think about our action.
00:02:03.000That is not something a lot of you are comfortable hearing.
00:02:07.000You don't want to hear as if you are in the minority in your own country, but you're actually, I do actually think there's more of us than them.
00:02:40.000I'm here in a very unique position in South Florida, surrounded by people that come from countries where this is familiar to them.
00:02:46.000This is shocking to Americans, but in Latin America and many of these countries around the world, here's what happens: a group takes power.
00:02:52.000One of the first things that group does is they begin to persecute and go after their political opponents.
00:02:57.000And then when the supporters of their political opponents begin to complain about it, they begin to target them and they criminalize opposition.
00:03:04.000The next step in this process is going to be that people who are supporters of Donald Trump or just conservatives complaining about this are going to begin to get harassed by, are going to begin to get labeled as potential insurrectionists and are going to begin to get harassed by law enforcement.
00:03:18.000That's the next step in this playbook, sadly.
00:03:20.000That is the next step in this playbook.
00:03:25.000When you admit that you are a dissident, it can be terrifying but also liberating.
00:03:31.000It's terrifying because you realize that the country you grew up in, the country that we love, is controlled by the opposition.
00:03:39.000We said this, I said this actually in my opening remarks at the Student Action Summit.
00:03:44.000They are the occupying force and they act like one.
00:03:48.000I want to play another piece of tape here.
00:03:52.000You remember when Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine?
00:04:30.000We need to pour it on when it comes to helping Ukraine.
00:04:32.000Jesse Waters calls him out for this play cut 51.
00:04:35.000Why they had to raid President Trump's home 90 days before an election.
00:04:40.000Yeah, you know, and I love having you on, Lindsey.
00:04:41.000You know, you and I have debated about things, and I've seen you pretty spitting mad over Ukraine, but you don't seem as mad as you were about this.
00:06:25.000There are fresh signs that Donald Trump is bracing for a possible indictment.
00:06:29.000His own lawyers planning for criminal charges and how to thwart or combat that possibility.
00:06:33.000A reality driven by two open probes in Washington, Georgia, and the extensive January 6th hearings, which showed the evidence of crimes by insurrectionists and crimes building towards a wider coup conspiracy, including the involvement of Trump himself.
00:07:26.000Most people don't know who they are, so they're unknown, with unchecked power.
00:07:31.000The fact they can swoop in the executive branch and take a phone of a congressman, Scott Perry, that is a violation of separation of powers, period.
00:08:16.000We talk a lot about the Church and Pike Committee.
00:08:20.000The Church and Pike Committee was one of the most successful oversights of the intelligence agencies because the intelligence agencies were just growing way out of control to oversee the FBI, the NSA, the IRS.
00:08:34.000The Church Committee was the Senate side.
00:08:38.000The Pike Committee was the House side.
00:08:41.000And they decided to go all in and actually do their job in the 1970s.
00:09:04.000It was a human experimentation program designed by the CIA to get people to give false confessions via brainwashing and psychological torture.
00:09:15.000MKUltra used numerous methods to manipulate its subjects' mental states and brain functions, such as covert administration of high doses of psychoactive drugs and other chemicals.
00:09:30.000It was a series of covert and illegal projects conducted by the FBI, aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, and discrediting who? Domestic American political organizations.
00:09:46.000Is there now an equivalent of Cointelpro now in the Federal Bureau of Investigation?
00:09:52.000In 1971, the FBI financed, armed, and controlled an extreme right-wing group of former members of the Minutemen anti-communist paramilitary organization, transforming it into the secret army organization and targeted groups, activists, and leaders into the anti-war movement using both intimidation and violent tactics.
00:10:11.000Oh, yeah, but the FBI won't plant any evidence.
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00:11:23.000So the CIA and the FBI and the IRS and the NSA, they were largely unchecked up until the Church and Pike Committee had oversight back in the 1970s, 1975.
00:11:37.000They revealed a series of shocking revelations.
00:11:40.000Operation MKUltra, Cointelpro, and Operation Family Jewels, which was a CIA program to covertly assassinate foreign leaders.
00:11:49.000How about Operation Mockingbird, though?
00:11:54.000Operation Mockingbird is a large-scale program that the CIA ran for many years.
00:12:03.000And by the way, I think Operation Mockingbird and Project Mockingbird is still being run by our intelligence agencies.
00:12:13.000So, according to the documents, Operation Mockingbird recruited American journalists into a propaganda network and influenced the operations of front groups.
00:12:25.000The CIA support of front groups was exposed in 1967, reported that the National Student Association received funding from the CIA.
00:12:35.000In 1975, the church committee investigation revealed agency connections with journalists and civic groups.
00:12:43.000So, Operation Mockingbird was all and mockingbirds, of course, they echo each other, right?
00:12:48.000One says one thing and they say it back and back and back and back and back.
00:12:52.000The idea was to create a cacophony of similar sounding noise.
00:12:57.000Do we have any guarantees that a similar type of operation is still not underway right now?
00:13:04.000By the way, we know that big social media companies receive massive amounts of funding from the CDC and the FDA.
00:13:12.000We don't know if they receive money from the CIA or not, but you know the CIA has a $50 to $75 billion black box budget.
00:13:20.000Our Republicans never ask about the black box budget.
00:13:22.000Do you know what the black box budget is?
00:14:00.000Project Minaret involved the accumulation of all telegraphic data that was entered or exited the United States.
00:14:06.000Project Shamrock was an espionage operation that did the following.
00:14:13.000It didn't just accumulate all the data, but according to Stephen Budosky, the precursor of the project, said the following: The clandestine agreement, almost certainly illegal, set a precedent of wartime censorship.
00:14:29.000At the height of Project Shamrock, 150,000 messages were printed and analyzed of private communications via telegraph companies by NSA personnel in one month.
00:14:43.000You cannot have freedom without privacy.
00:14:48.000If you are not able to have privacy, you are not free.
00:14:51.000If someone is constantly looking over your shoulder, Orwell described this best in 1984 in Animal Farm, that it is a necessary prerequisite.
00:15:05.000A government that constantly monitors everything you do, you are not able to have liberty.
00:15:11.000How many of your Republican officials are talking about Operation Mockingbird, Operation Quintel Pro, Operation Shamrock, Operation Family Jewels?
00:15:19.000No, no, no, because Lindsey Graham and all these others, Tim Scott, and all, they're defenders of that regime.
00:15:26.000And yeah, it was all kind of fun and cool when it was we're fighting terrorists abroad and whatever, but now they consider you to be the terrorist.
00:15:33.000They ran out of terrorists to hunt because it turns out there just weren't that many to find.
00:15:37.000Yeah, there were a lot of like pervert goatherders in the Kandahar Valley in Afghanistan, but it's a lot more interesting to actually go crush your domestic political opponents here.
00:15:48.000We're going to do a whole series of podcasts coming up about Operation MKUltra, Cointel Pro, Family Jewels, Operation Mockingbird, Project Shamrock.
00:15:58.000Some of the most important things that most of your Republican leaders are authorizing.
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00:17:40.000We've been talking about how attorney generals better start acting soon and enforcing the rule of law against these criminals, the cartels, these far-left activists.
00:17:52.000The nominee for the Republican Party in the wonderful state of Arizona, Trump endorsed and endorsed by Rand Paul, is Abraham Hamada.
00:18:02.000Abe, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:18:05.000Abe Hamade, but close enough, Charlie.
00:18:12.000Well, it's been a rocket ship since we received the endorsement of President Trump in June on June 14th.
00:18:19.000But, you know, so far, you're exactly right.
00:18:21.000Just listening to your segments on the show.
00:18:23.000And this is quite unusual times that we're living in.
00:18:26.000You know, typically we've been fighting only the federal government, but right now we're fighting basically the radical left has infiltrated every aspect of our lives.
00:18:34.000I mean, now we have to fight big tech.
00:18:36.000I mean, if you remember back in February when GoFundMe was going to use that money that was donated to the Canadian truckers, who stopped them from doing that?
00:18:45.000It was state AGs who stopped GoFundMe from sending that money to radical leftist organizations.
00:18:50.000So this is unusual times where we have to fight back not just the federal government, but even big business and big tech who can become as tyrannical as government.
00:18:58.000So, you know, I'm my opponent that I'm going up against Chris Mays.
00:19:02.000She's, you know, she's going to be funded by George Soros.
00:19:04.000She was funded previously by Tom Styre.
00:19:06.000Michael Bloomberg is going to make a big push for gun control.
00:19:09.000So this is who we're going up against, Charlie.
00:19:54.000And then he stayed at the Scottsdale Princess resort and as soon as they landed this was january of like 1996 as soon as they landed at Sky Harbor, they looked at each other and they said wow, we found the Middle East Of America.
00:20:04.000So it was a quite easy decision for them to move out here.
00:20:07.000And you know, I really credit Arizona is really the uh, it's.
00:20:11.000It's such a new state in the sense that someone like myself can get into politics.
00:20:15.000We're not, you know, entrenched with the same establishment, say in the East Coast.
00:20:19.000You know sure, we had to battle some of the establishment opponents, but it's a lot easier barrier of entry to get into.
00:20:25.000So you know, I credit a lot of my success to Arizona.
00:20:28.000But besides that, i'm a former prosecutor at the Maricopa County Attorney's Office.
00:20:32.000I'm also a former ARMY captain and intelligence officer and I was uh deployed to Saudi Arabia for 2020 and 2021.
00:20:40.000But I did enter this race uh, in november of 2021.
00:20:44.000I was the last candidate to enter and you know, we crushed our opponents.
00:20:47.000I think I was leading my next closest rival by 10.
00:20:50.000So you know we're going to take the same energy, the same, the same message, same movement all the way till november to defeat Chris Mays.
00:20:56.000Because what the Democrats offer Charlie, I mean, i'm just amazed how they're even you know these policy positions defunding the police.
00:21:03.000Now they're suddenly saying that they never said that, but they spent the last two years gaslighting us.
00:21:08.000You know talking about defunding the police and you know reimagining how law enforcement should work, but you know we're going to remind the voters on what, what dystopian vision they want to inflict on us.
00:21:18.000I mean, a strong attorney generals are the most important things we could have right now.
00:21:21.000So let me ask you about two things in particular, first of which is federal government overreach.
00:21:26.000What would you be willing to do, for example, with a deluge of IRS agents that might come into Arizona?
00:21:33.000Reassert constitutional state sovereignty against the federal government coming in to terrorize us Arizonans?
00:21:42.000You're exactly right, and you know this, 87 000 new IRS agents we have to look at.
00:21:47.000You know who it's going to be targeting.
00:21:49.000It's really going to be targeting minority groups, primarily.
00:21:51.000Minorities are actually subject to audits at a higher percentage than whites.
00:21:56.000So that's the message that we're going to take to the Hispanic community and black community as well.
00:21:59.000But as a g, it's the same way that we you know, we fought the vaccine mandates that they were pushing on us too, and as well as the mass guidelines that took too long to get rid of.
00:22:11.000We have special jurisdiction that allows us to sue the federal government in federal court.
00:22:15.000So that's what we're going to be looking at tackling.
00:22:17.000But you're exactly right about state sovereignty, which i'm, so you know, excited to hear that so many candidates this year are using that term.
00:22:24.000You know I got involved in politics, Charlie way, back in 2007 on the Ron Paul campaign, and I remember so many of the issues that you know we were fighting back then have now come to fruition.
00:22:33.000I mean, we were called conspiracy theorists back then, but if you're looking at the state sovereignty, it's not just reclaiming it with regarding to, you know, the police powers right, or the vaccine mandates or these IRS agents, but if you're seeing our border, I mean our border to me it's a state sovereignty issue, the fact that the federal government has totally neglected to do its job.
00:22:53.000That's where Arizona under Kerry Lake and myself, we're going To start taking the fight back to DC and start reestablishing Arizona's sovereignty and protect the communities, because what goes on down at the border isn't just affecting Yuma or Tucson or our border communities.
00:23:08.000It's affecting all of Arizona, but all of the country as well.
00:23:11.000So, you know, that's something that I think I want to hone in on, the fact that other states that are paying attention, Arizona is a key battleground state, not just because it was purple or whatever, but it's because elections, it's because of our border.
00:23:24.000So, you know, all eyes are going to be on Arizona.
00:23:26.000So it's a big responsibility that we have to tackle.
00:23:29.000The state AGs, we have to be the tip of the spear fighting back against this lawless administration.
00:23:34.000Because I always, you know, people ask me, what are your priorities?
00:23:37.000It always changes, to be quite honest, because the Biden administration keeps ambushing us.
00:23:41.000Who would have ever thought that the FBI would be raiding the former president's house?
00:23:45.000And if you're seeing what the New York Attorney General is doing, Letitia James, going after President Trump, I mean, President Trump's one of the most persecuted men in history.
00:23:53.000And it's very apparent this week that what we're witnessing.
00:23:56.000But as AG, we have to have a strong AG who respects the law.
00:23:59.000And that's exactly what these George Soros prosecutors and what the radical left has eroded.
00:24:04.000So I want to play a piece of tape here, Cut 63.
00:24:07.000This just goes to show how the media is going about to criminalize Trump supporters.
00:24:13.000Cut 63, it's Operation Mockingbird in full effect, play cut 63.
00:24:20.000Tell ABC News, there's been a strong reaction to the raid on extremists and QAnon-related forums.
00:24:25.000Sources say there's been a strong reaction to the raid on extremist and QAnon-related forums.
00:24:30.000Sources also telling ABC News there's been a strong reaction from some extreme groups online, including QAnon and other groups.
00:24:38.000There's been a strong reaction to the raid on extremist and QAnon-related forums, including those that were active before January 6th.
00:24:46.000Including those that were active prior to January 6th.
00:24:49.000Including those that were active prior to January 6th.
00:24:54.000They're all saying the same thing, Abe.
00:24:55.000They're all trying to criminalize Trump supporters and just normal everyday Americans.
00:25:01.000Abe, I live in Scottsdale, and I was stopped multiple times yesterday by just regular people that are pissed about this raid of Trump at Mar-a-Lago.
00:25:13.000Expand on that a little bit more, your thoughts.
00:25:17.000You know, on day one, when Joe Biden took office, I was overseas with the army in Saudi Arabia.
00:25:23.000But I remember on day one, we actually got a briefing that said that right-wing extremism is the number one threat facing the U.S. military.
00:25:31.000So this has gone into the U.S. military as well, Charlie, this narrative.
00:25:35.000So, you know, when I got back here, look at what the Biden administration does.
00:25:38.000They classify parents who speak out at school board meetings against critical race theory as possible domestic terrorists.
00:25:45.000If you donate money to the Canadian truckers to oppose the COVID hysteria, you're a possible domestic terrorist.
00:25:50.000They want to crush any dissenting viewpoints.
00:25:54.000And that's exactly what's so terrifying.
00:25:56.000And that's what I mean by saying, you know, if you look at the media, the scripts you just put, they've become the propaganda arm of the radical left.
00:26:03.000And the big tech is also plays a big role in that as well as big business.
00:26:07.000So, you know, this is unusual times that we're facing.
00:26:10.000And it really requires men with convict men and women with convictions who are going to stand up, who are unafraid to speak their minds.
00:26:16.000But, you know, as AG, when I take over, we're going to look at ways to start going after big tech.
00:26:21.000We have to start going after and protecting our parents who are speaking out at school board meetings because now even elementary school students are being subjected to this radical leftist thought.
00:26:32.000So as Attorney General and along with Governor Kerry Lake, we have a lot on our hands, but I do see what happens this November will determine our country's future for the next century.
00:26:42.000One of the things about your campaign that struck me is that you're willing to go after the cartels in a very serious way.
00:26:48.000You're willing to classify them as a foreign terrorist organization.
00:26:57.000And under current Arizona law, we use the U.S. Department of State's definition of what a terrorist is.
00:27:03.000And the U.S. Department of State has been politicized.
00:27:06.000The Yemen Houthi rebels who are firing missiles at us when I was in Saudi Arabia were delisted by Joe Biden as a terrorist organization, which is why the Saudis are not very happy with them.
00:27:16.000So in Arizona, we have the ability to know what these groups are.
00:27:19.000And I want to start calling them what they are.
00:27:22.000And with that, we have enhanced sentencings on them.
00:27:25.000We can also seize their assets differently.
00:27:27.000So we're going to get tough with the terrorists, the cartels, and classify them as terrorists because right now they do have control of the border.
00:27:33.000And we have to negotiate with the Mexican government, even some of our Native American communities as well, that we have to start securing our border at the state level because the federal government refuses to act.
00:27:44.000Would you be willing then to go after some of these nonprofit groups that are aiding and abetting the illegal entry of people into our country?
00:27:53.000For example, if you go to San Luis, you go to the suburb, the exterior of the Yuma area, they are criminally assisting people with money, with reconnaissance.
00:28:08.000Are you as attorney general willing to go after these nonprofit groups that are helping the illegal migration?
00:28:14.000I want to say call migration border jumping invasion and line cutting into our country.
00:28:21.000And you're exactly right when you're talking about, I mean, there's businesses that are involved with this too.
00:28:26.000I mean, the cartels is a sophisticated operation.
00:28:28.000That's why I want to call them a terrorist organization.
00:28:31.000I mean, some of them have more money than many countries' GDP, but you're exactly right.
00:28:35.000We have to go after some of these non-I mean, they cloak themselves in nonprofits, but I mean, the same with Mark Zuckerberg, what he was doing with interfering in our elections.
00:28:44.000But we're going to get aggressive, not only with the cartels, but anybody who is assisting them as well.
00:28:49.000So, you know, looking at border communities, that's going to be our primary focus right now.
00:28:53.000I just received the endorsement today of Sheriff Mark Lamb, who's a great sheriff in Pinal County, who has to deal with the corridor of crossings of these illegal immigrants.
00:29:02.000But, you know, you're right to say that this is an invasion.
00:29:05.000I've been saying that it's not even a crisis.
00:29:09.000I mean, when you have 160 countries represented or flocking our border, only 6% of those who are crossing our border are Mexican citizens, by the way.
00:29:16.000I mean, most of these are come from all over the world.
00:29:24.000Going after the nonprofit support structure of what's happening on the invasion, that's kind of the third rail.
00:29:30.000And if you're saying you're willing to look at the money flows, I mean, you think about it, human trafficking, fentanyl, guns, we know all of it, but there is a 501c3 NGO, sometimes federally granted supported infrastructure in San Luis and in Yuma and in Tucson and the Hollis sector that actually assist and subsidize the invasion.
00:29:51.000And that act, that's fair game for an Arizona attorney general to go after.
00:29:54.000So I'm pleased to hear that you'd be willing to do it.
00:29:57.000Of course, lawfully and doing it ethically.
00:30:00.000So let me ask you a couple of questions here.
00:30:09.000We need people that consolidate behind you and to get you elected.
00:30:14.000So there's other issues too that you have on your website, pro-life, election protection, border security, cancel culture, war on police, Second Amendment, military mental health crisis.
00:30:25.000A lot of people don't trust our elections here in Arizona.
00:30:28.000What will you do as Attorney General to ensure election integrity?
00:30:33.000Well, and they're actually rightfully so to question our elections.
00:30:36.000Look what just happened in Pinal County.
00:30:38.000I mean, that was a total disaster, Charlie.
00:30:41.000And this is years after the 2020 election when they spent the whole past two years calling us fringe and conspiracy theorists.
00:30:49.000But look what just happened in Pinal County.
00:30:51.000That is voter disenfranchisement, right there, when you're seeing that's a civil rights violation in my, in my view, when they're not able to vote at the poll at the polls, and it was primarily affecting Republicans.
00:31:03.000But, as attorney general, this is where we have to have a good secretary of state as well, with Mark Finchum there too.
00:31:09.000So we have to work, you know, hand in hand by having, because the secretary of state has a big role in elections as well.
00:31:14.000But as attorney general, what we have to do is prosecute these crimes, but there has to be consequences for some of these actions.
00:31:20.000I know the Pinow county elections uh had just resigned, but I mean, think about if this was in the business uh sector.
00:31:26.000I mean they would, they would lose their job.
00:31:31.000But for the 2020 election, what i've called for is to actually, you know investigate, pick up where Burnabitch is going to leave off.
00:31:37.000I don't have much confidence that he's he's going to prosecute anymore crimes that we witness.
00:31:42.000But you know something that I focus on as well, when I voted in the 2020 election Charlie Overseas, uh on my deployment, and I voted by email, and I think Arizona is one of three states that allowed that.
00:32:17.000So that's something I want to work for, legislation by getting rid of the.
00:32:20.000Would you investigate the mules in the ballot trafficking operation that there's evidence to show occurred?
00:32:26.000Yes, and i've already called for, you know, the release of the, the evidence that was on full display in the 2000 mules documentary documentary.
00:32:33.000I mean, in Maricopa County alone there's 200 mules.
00:32:42.000You go after the low-level offenders and you work your way up to the top of the criminal enterprise that you've discussed earlier, with these nonprofits.
00:32:50.000So that's why I, you have to be committed to going after even the low-level offenders, because eventually they'll talk, and I do think that this was a.
00:32:57.000This was a criminal enterprise organization that was going on.
00:33:00.000If you look at the San Luis I mean, that was a former mayor who is who is complicit in that.
00:33:05.000So, as attorney general, we will take the election fraud very seriously and we have to have a bulletproof election system so that when Donald Trump runs and wins against in 2024, everyone will know it's legitimate.
00:33:16.000Yeah the, the ballot trafficking operation is just, is just awful and it's terrible.
00:33:34.000So you know I respect the law and that that's the.
00:33:37.000That's the current law of the land right now.
00:33:38.000Yeah, it's just kind of a pet issue for me.
00:33:40.000I, they're building a marijuana clinic or whatever they call it.
00:33:44.000A get high house or whatever in Scottsdale drives me crazy, so I think that's more plenty of them around yeah, and I think they should all be shut down, but that's a separate issue for another time.