00:00:00.000Today in the Charlie Kirk show, Lance Walnow joins us for a spirited conversation about Christian nationalism, why the church needs to get involved.
00:00:08.000As we are live here at our TPUSA Faith Pastor Summit, 1,100 pastors from across the country join us for our third training in the last 13 months.
00:00:59.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
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00:01:20.000A perfect guest to join us for the entire hour, someone that I have known for years, and he is one of the most important voices in American Christianity, Lance Wall Now.
00:01:30.000Check out his podcast, The Lance Wall Now Show.
00:01:33.000I check it on Real America's Voice on the weekend.
00:01:36.000It is excellent and honored to have him with us for the full hour.
00:01:43.000And how exciting to hear you have 1,100 pastors.
00:01:46.000Charlie, how is that different than when you started years ago trying to get churches to get interested in the future of America and conservative youth?
00:02:25.000But Lance, how should a Christian respond?
00:02:27.000How should a pastor respond if they are all of a sudden confronted with the accusation that they are a Christian nationalist?
00:02:34.000Well, and this is something Rush used to talk about.
00:02:37.000He said that no matter what label or name you come up with, they have this ubiquitous power through media and soundbite to stigmatize anything so that a Christian nationalist.
00:02:51.000I'm almost at the point now where I'm thinking, what do we got to do?
00:02:54.000We have to constantly like change our names.
00:03:00.000Maybe that throws them off for a week and then they'll come back at me at something.
00:03:04.000But really, what is, or you could be like William Booth.
00:03:07.000He said when he was spit on once during a salvation army march, he said, wear it like a badge of honor because eventually they're going to stigmatize whatever you call yourself.
00:03:41.000We have to wear it as a badge of honor.
00:03:43.000Yeah, so that's, I think there's some truth to that, Lance.
00:03:46.000Unfortunately, far too many pastors, they think of it as a slur, or they think of it as something to be apologetic.
00:03:55.000Or they say, Well, you know, I don't want to take over the government as a Christian, but we're contending for restoring the constitutional order, aren't we, Lance?
00:04:04.000That we believe that the church and Christians should be counselors to the king, to be in the public square, to restore parents' rights, to restore separation of powers and the promise of the Bill of Rights.
00:05:10.000And how do we go about solving it, in your opinion?
00:05:13.000Well, it's the weakness, unfortunately, Charlie, of history.
00:05:17.000When you're raised in a family, your third generation, your first, your grandparents had to go fight the Indians and the land and be able to, you know, plant a village.
00:05:28.000The next generation was barely able to harvest a crop and survive.
00:05:32.000The third generation then was making a living off of the store in the neighborhood with the food already provided.
00:05:39.000We lived off the borrowed piece of the Second World War generation.
00:05:43.000We never had to fight, actually, the issues that we're fighting now.
00:05:48.000So the clergy has never been trained to be the front lines of protecting fundamental principles of social order.
00:05:56.000They talk about the more esoteric subject matter, about how to live a victorious life, how to overcome stress.
00:06:03.000Those are the themes that Rick Warren built Saddleback on.
00:06:06.000Now you turn it around and say, well, how do you deal with a child that's suicidal?
00:06:10.000Or what do you do when the school's trying to convert your 11-year-old into becoming a different gender?
00:06:15.000Or what do you do when you're being taught that your child's skin color is the reason for all the iniquity in the United States?
00:06:21.000Now the pastor has got a whole different set of problems totally unequipped to address unless we do two things: provide the pressure for them to address them, which is coming through the congregation, evidently.
00:06:34.000And secondly, the tools and resources.
00:06:36.000None of this was taught to them at Bible College.
00:06:40.000And let's talk about the Bible College of the seminaries.
00:06:42.000I am shocked at how some of these seminaries have become basically left-wing institutions that are camouflaged or masquerading as seminaries.
00:06:53.000How lost is the traditional American seminary?
00:06:56.000I mean, I hear stories from some that have been these wonderful places like Calvin College or Taylor College in Indiana that used to be some of the strongest Bible colleges.
00:07:06.000What has happened to our once great institutions and seminaries, Lance?
00:07:26.00020 years ago, I started talking to the church about you better pay attention to media and to academia and to government and to business and to entertainment along with your family and with your church.
00:07:39.000Because the devil, if you want to put it in Christian language, the devil will go for the gates of influence.
00:07:46.000If he can occupy the gates, he can control the traffic.
00:07:49.000He will go for the top of these institutions.
00:07:52.000And we better be training our children to think about being influences within the world system and not hiding out from the world system, looking for some kind of a rapture exodus or going into ministry as the only career for a Christian.
00:08:06.000And the idea was applauded, but no churches took it seriously.
00:08:10.000Meanwhile, you've got the socialist Marxist Italian Gramsci model actually being executed, the long march through the institutions.
00:08:18.000And they didn't skip the religious mountain.
00:08:22.000They said, well, we're going to have same-sex marriage verified and accepted.
00:08:26.000And then we're going to begin to have, we're going to change the laws about how the church can speak and what it can talk about.
00:08:33.000And then we're going to go to the seminaries, the Bible colleges, and we're going to start to put wealthy donors on the boards who will fund if you will go along with certain modifications to your orthodoxy.
00:08:44.000And it's done that way on every mountain.
00:08:47.000It's done that way in education as well.
00:08:49.000Incrementally, what you don't protect and steward spiritually, the devil will take.
00:08:55.000Those gates have now become taken captive.
00:08:58.000And it's harder to retake a gate once you've given it up.
00:11:08.000Listen, you know, I really wish we had a full-time comedy team because Babylon B is about the only place I can go to catch people to catch it.
00:11:17.000The essence of humor is when you take an unpredictable direction at the end of the punchline.
00:11:22.000And there's nothing to me, because I'm 20% Ashkenazi Jew.
00:12:15.000You know, Chuck Missler years ago, great, brilliant engineer, turned theologian in California, said that the greatest miracle of the 21st century was that God took a people like Israel, scattered all over the world, and brought it back into their homeland after 2,000 years.
00:12:35.000And the real estate was even available.
00:12:37.000And he said that what we should be looking at is every book of the Bible that speaks of what happened when they returned and what God did.
00:12:47.000And that's when I started going to the Bible and saying, wait a second, maybe there's a prophetic pattern.
00:12:52.000When Israel in 1947 came back, maybe there's a pattern to what happened to Israel and what's happening in the world and particularly to this Gentile country, the United States, that has been so significant in its connection with Israel.
00:13:32.000And then it goes on to say that when they went back, Cyrus said, that God raised up Cyrus for the sake of his people.
00:13:39.000I think Americans praying for this broadcast, for those that are Christians, our desperate prayers and intercession are the only thing that stands between America and imminent self-destruction.
00:14:02.000He's going to go there for my people's sake, though when he does it, he will not be someone who knows me.
00:14:09.000So right there, I have my argument that we can elect somebody like Trump when he was running, that he'll have an encounter with God, but God raises up sovereign vessels for the sake of his people.
00:14:19.000After Cyrus came to power, the next thing was the focus is what you're doing, Charlie, which was the word was rebuild a national house, rebuild a vital house for the nation.
00:14:31.000And so God's command was restore the house.
00:14:35.000Cyrus said, go back to your land, rebuild the house.
00:14:38.000And when they did that, they had a great awakening.
00:14:52.000This is exactly the history of the Jews.
00:14:54.000They go back and they begin to rebuild the walls that were destroyed during their period of disobedience and restore the gates of influence, the 12 gates that were sieged by Babylon, the confusion that came into their country.
00:15:11.000They became a sovereign nation, a land where the Messiah himself would visit, fulfilling prophecy.
00:15:17.000Or what Jesus says is sovereign sheep nations at the end of the age and goat nations are going to be gathered together.
00:15:24.000Just two types of nations, those that retain their sovereignty and refuse to persecute God's people, and those that bow the knee to the spirit of empire.
00:15:40.000You also can check out LanceWalnow.com where he has several interesting episodes out that I want to ask him about, including Jewish secrets Christians must learn.
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00:16:55.000So, Lance, we're receiving several emails about Kim Clement.
00:17:12.000So Tim and I traveled together and he would do the prophetic ministry and then he would kind of turn to me to explain to people what it was he was prophesying.
00:17:22.000Because as he said, he would get the nuts, but someone else had to crack them.
00:18:00.000I thought, Kim, you only have two parties.
00:18:02.000I mean, independent parties don't make it to the finish line here.
00:18:06.000So how could we ever have a candidate that's repulsive to both parties or disliked by either party?
00:18:12.000But then Trump came along and it actually fulfilled prophecy.
00:18:17.000And then he went on to say that God was going to raise up a movement that was going to be neither this nor that, but it would be for America.
00:18:26.000It will be an American party movement.
00:18:28.000And I've often said, I think like the D Party and what's coming up now is the party that's for America.
00:18:34.000And it's not grounded in the Uni Party, which is he was ahead of his time.
00:18:40.000The Uniparty of I can tell you stories about specific words that he got with people and audiences that have raised their hair in their arms, but this is the part that is the most relevant to the battle we're in right now as a republic.
00:18:52.000And he had some very specific prophecy.
00:18:54.000We're actually going to try to get some of the tape here if we could do it in time.
00:18:59.000Lance Wallnow continues to ask LanceWalnow.com.
00:19:03.000Lance, I hear from some Christians, and you talk about this here, you know, unlocking end time secrets is one of the podcasts that you do on the Lance Wall Now Show.
00:19:10.000I hear from some Christians, Charlie, things look so terrible.
00:19:42.000Now, when you get words like that from a commander-in-chief who's leaving, departing, and he says, I'm coming back like MacArthur, I will return.
00:19:49.000And he says, Meanwhile, occupy till I come.
00:19:52.000That's not the cue for you to be preoccupied with when he comes while you hide out in the basement eating soybeans and watching your favorite YouTube prophet.
00:20:01.000So the people that are retreating from the battle of culture, I would almost predict are the very ones who Jesus warns about.
00:20:11.000There's 10 virgins when he comes back.
00:20:27.000So those that want to hide out, that want to anesthetize themselves, that want to go into, and California is like the grand poo-bah of this deception.
00:20:36.000We're just not going to vote and get involved with politics because the sooner things fall apart, the sooner Jesus returns.
00:20:57.000The mistake we made in America is the church isolated itself, focused on its own growth, its own spiritual empowerment, and the return of Jesus, while the secular world taught.
00:21:36.000These weren't the enlightened God-rejectors of Harvard.
00:21:40.000These were enlightened Christians who gave us the Renaissance, the Reformation, and the progress we have in America.
00:21:47.000So when I hear Christians say they don't want to get involved with the bitty gritty of what you're doing right now, I see people that are forsaking the front lines of the battle where occupation is needed most.
00:22:01.000So let me read here, Lance, and I'd like to have you respond.
00:22:05.000Andy Stanley wrote a book about not getting involved in politics.
00:22:09.000He writes, quote, the reaction of evangelicals to political and cultural shifts in recent years revealed what they value most.
00:22:17.000Lurking beneath our Bible-laced rhetoric, faith claims, books, and sermons is a relentless drive to win.
00:22:23.000But the church is not here to win, writes Andy Stanley.
00:22:26.000By every human measure, our savior lost on purpose, with a purpose.
00:22:37.000We are in it for something else entirely.
00:22:39.000That something else is what this book is about.
00:22:42.000And so he argues here that the church should not get involved at all.
00:22:47.000He's a quote-unquote leading evangelical speaker.
00:22:51.000CNN.com article says here, quote, I want to make sure I read this correctly and quote it correctly, that the evangelical church faces a state of emergency over politics and getting involved in politics.
00:23:05.000Lance Walno, your reaction to Andy Stanley.
00:23:07.000The state of the American church faces a crisis over whether or not it's going to be under the influence of these false teachers like Andy Stanley or whether they're going to be enlightened in time to protect themselves and their children from the loss of liberty.
00:23:23.000The problem with Andy Stanley is that he doesn't, that they listen to the logic of what he says, that he isn't valuated, that evangelicals get engaged with political matters because of their desire to win.
00:23:37.000Well, let's say that you've got Al-Qaeda trying to break into the cockpit of the plane.
00:23:41.000You and your family are on your way to a vacation, but Al-Qaeda wants to crash it.
00:23:46.000Maybe winning for you is keeping al-Qaeda from being behind the controls that will crash your future and your family.
00:23:54.000This is why we engage in every battle we get into.
00:23:57.000It's out of love for the passengers of the plane.
00:24:04.000We're fighting for survival at this point.
00:24:06.000We are in the battle of the ages to keep the lights on for liberty and freedom of speech.
00:24:11.000When you've got Jordan Peterson in Ontario, Canada, having to put $40,000 a month up in legal expenses and being forced in order to retain his license as a psychiatrist to have to subject himself to social media communication training under the Trudeau government, when you have another pastor like Arthur Pulaski struggling to maybe have to go to prison because he was preaching the gospel to truckers when they were protesting, my friend Andy Stanley is out to lunch.
00:24:39.000I feel sorry for the people that are under the influence of voices like that.
00:24:44.000The Apostle Paul said that I don't run aimlessly.
00:26:06.000We are not in it in order to gain earthly recognition or power.
00:26:10.000This is what the left and the weak evangelicals accuse us of, Charlie.
00:26:14.000They say, you guys are in a power struggle, just like the left is in a power struggle.
00:26:19.000Actually, no, that's why I use the metaphor of al-Qaeda in a plane for 9-11.
00:26:24.000What we're trying to do is we're trying to protect, we're using the God-given freedoms that we have in order to protect ourselves from the loss of those freedoms.
00:26:34.000Andy Stanley, I'm going to say something controversial.
00:26:36.000Andy Stanley and Freflo Dollar are two of the most prominent, powerful, influential Georgia preachers we've got.
00:26:44.000Their decision to not educate and engage their congregations probably cost us Georgia.
00:26:53.000And with that, you now have Trump struggling with his own survival, where the one case where the most deranged zip code could put him behind bars occupies, you could lay that at the foot of two pastors who subscribe to the demonic idea that Christians shouldn't care about the government mountain.
00:27:13.000Yeah, so what has Andy Stanley and the Georgia pastors done to speak out about the people that have been wrongfully indicted by Fannie Willis?
00:27:47.000If you're in the ministry, you should be held to a higher standard, Lance Walnut.
00:27:52.000Yeah, well, you know, so we that teach the word should be held to a higher scrutiny.
00:27:57.000And certainly the thing like with Andy Stanley, I was thinking about he's not in it to win it.
00:28:02.000So he's going to choose it to lose it.
00:28:05.000Nobody that is going to get behind the pulpit today can afford to go there unless they have courage.
00:28:13.000And that means that you can't be worried about losing people or losing money.
00:28:17.000But I can almost promise you, every pastor that is articulate, well-informed, and properly motivated will replace the people he loses with actually strongly committed patriot Christians who will build your church.
00:28:29.000It's the best church growth strategy in the world right now is to have a perspective and articulate it strongly because the church is looking for leadership.
00:28:39.000The church is in desperate need of leadership and it is hard to find.
00:28:46.000Hey, everybody, Mike Lindell is a passion to help you get the best sleep of your life.
00:30:09.000But I have a difficulty because I can't get on secular radio because I'm too Christian.
00:30:14.000I can't get on Christian radio because I'm too political.
00:30:16.000You're the only guy I know that's been able to navigate the two and get radio stations.
00:30:19.000So I should probably work with you more.
00:30:22.000But the beautiful thing about the show we've got is I get to talk about whatever I want to talk about because I've got 200,000 subscribers.
00:30:43.000Say the thing they don't want you to talk about.
00:30:46.000And I believe the awakening that is in America right now is going to be driven by Christian engagement, but it's going to ultimately become a populist movement.
00:30:53.000So that's the focus of our show, Charlie.
00:30:56.000You can get it on any kind of a platform.
00:30:58.000And I do a lot of, for the old timers, I still do a lot of Facebook videos because I do these late night rants at around 11 o'clock that my studio team can't keep up with.
00:31:07.000So that's when I ventilate and go through my gestull therapy.
00:31:11.000You guys have got to check out the Lance Walmart show.
00:31:13.000In closing here, Lance, I want you to address this.
00:32:30.000But if you can get two or three other people to join with you, that gets a pastor's attention.
00:32:35.000If you get one businessman, one giver, here's their economics, one significant tither or giver to the church whose wife agrees with you, get with that couple.
00:32:47.000If they will support you in saying, we don't want you to change the gospel, we want you to address questions that we're hearing all the time.
00:32:56.000And then you can look at Barna's list of questions, which people, 90% of the people in the church want to have answers to.
00:33:03.000They want to know how does the Bible apply to economics?
00:33:05.000How does the Bible apply to race theory?
00:33:06.000How does the Bible apply to sex and gender?
00:33:08.000And if the pastor understands that you've got influence, you've got someone in business behind you, and that you're asking them to be informed on things that 90% of the church wants to hear about, I would say you've got more leverage in that conversation than just saying, why don't you talk about abortion or something like that?
00:33:25.000Lance Walnow, everybody, check it out.