The Charlie Kirk Show - Real Christian Nationalism with Lance Wallnau

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:00.000 Today in the Charlie Kirk show, Lance Walnow joins us for a spirited conversation about Christian nationalism, why the church needs to get involved.

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00:00:38.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:20.000 A perfect guest to join us for the entire hour, someone that I have known for years, and he is one of the most important voices in American Christianity, Lance Wall Now.

00:01:30.000 Check out his podcast, The Lance Wall Now Show.

00:01:33.000 I check it on Real America's Voice on the weekend.

00:01:36.000 It is excellent and honored to have him with us for the full hour.

00:01:39.000 Lance, how are you doing?

00:01:40.000 Welcome to the program.

00:01:41.000 I'm doing well.

00:01:43.000 And how exciting to hear you have 1,100 pastors.

00:01:46.000 Charlie, how is that different than when you started years ago trying to get churches to get interested in the future of America and conservative youth?

00:01:56.000 Yeah, it's amazing, Lance.

00:01:58.000 It's a work of the Lord.

00:01:59.000 And when we started this project at TPUSA Faith, I had no idea what the response would be.

00:02:04.000 And we actually have a seating problem.

00:02:06.000 We have more pastors that want to attend.

00:02:08.000 This is now our third pastor summit in the last 13 months.

00:02:11.000 We did one in August of last year.

00:02:13.000 We did one in Nashville that was massive.

00:02:15.000 And this one's the biggest one ever.

00:02:16.000 So praise God.

00:02:18.000 It's really growing like wild.

00:02:20.000 And our critics, Lance, call us Christian nationalists.

00:02:24.000 Now, I have a response to that.

00:02:25.000 But Lance, how should a Christian respond? 1.00

00:02:27.000 How should a pastor respond if they are all of a sudden confronted with the accusation that they are a Christian nationalist?

00:02:34.000 Well, and this is something Rush used to talk about.

00:02:37.000 He said that no matter what label or name you come up with, they have this ubiquitous power through media and soundbite to stigmatize anything so that a Christian nationalist.

00:02:51.000 I'm almost at the point now where I'm thinking, what do we got to do?

00:02:54.000 We have to constantly like change our names.

00:02:57.000 So am I a Christian populist?

00:03:00.000 Maybe that throws them off for a week and then they'll come back at me at something.

00:03:04.000 But really, what is, or you could be like William Booth.

00:03:07.000 He said when he was spit on once during a salvation army march, he said, wear it like a badge of honor because eventually they're going to stigmatize whatever you call yourself.

00:03:19.000 I'm a Christian.

00:03:20.000 I believe in God and I love my nation.

00:03:23.000 I guess that makes me a nationalist.

00:03:24.000 If that's evil, then don't misrepresent what the word actually means.

00:03:30.000 It means that I'm a Christian, loves my nation.

00:03:32.000 You, on the other hand, are what?

00:03:34.000 You're someone who isn't a Christian who doesn't love his nation. 0.70

00:03:37.000 So what do we call that?

00:03:39.000 We may end up just at that point.

00:03:41.000 We have to wear it as a badge of honor.

00:03:43.000 Yeah, so that's, I think there's some truth to that, Lance.

00:03:46.000 Unfortunately, far too many pastors, they think of it as a slur, or they think of it as something to be apologetic.

00:03:55.000 Or they say, Well, you know, I don't want to take over the government as a Christian, but we're contending for restoring the constitutional order, aren't we, Lance?

00:04:04.000 That we believe that the church and Christians should be counselors to the king, to be in the public square, to restore parents' rights, to restore separation of powers and the promise of the Bill of Rights.

00:04:15.000 These are not radical proposals.

00:04:17.000 We believe that when the church is active and Christians are aware, that a free society flourishes.

00:04:22.000 Lance, we're trying to solve this problem here at our pastor summit.

00:04:25.000 And mind you, not every one of these attendees is all in necessarily as outspoken as Lance Walnot or Charlie Kirk.

00:04:32.000 Some of them are getting into the action or the praxis, if you will.

00:04:32.000 Some of them are in the middle.

00:04:37.000 However, there are still plenty of naysayers that say, Boy, it sounds really scary to speak out on these things.

00:04:45.000 I don't know if I'm comfortable because I could be criticized.

00:04:49.000 Just kind of give a bigger picture.

00:04:51.000 To our estimation, there's about 30 to 35,000 pastors in America, Lance.

00:04:55.000 There might be even more, but that's based on our research.

00:04:57.000 About 30 to 35,000 senior pastors or pastors that are giving sermons on a weekly basis or on a bi-weekly basis.

00:05:04.000 A vast majority of them do not speak out on cultural issues, and a lot of them are swayed by the media.

00:05:09.000 Why is that?

00:05:10.000 And how do we go about solving it, in your opinion?

00:05:13.000 Well, it's the weakness, unfortunately, Charlie, of history.

00:05:17.000 When you're raised in a family, your third generation, your first, your grandparents had to go fight the Indians and the land and be able to, you know, plant a village.

00:05:28.000 The next generation was barely able to harvest a crop and survive.

00:05:32.000 The third generation then was making a living off of the store in the neighborhood with the food already provided.

00:05:39.000 We lived off the borrowed piece of the Second World War generation. 0.90

00:05:43.000 We never had to fight, actually, the issues that we're fighting now.

00:05:48.000 So the clergy has never been trained to be the front lines of protecting fundamental principles of social order.

00:05:56.000 They talk about the more esoteric subject matter, about how to live a victorious life, how to overcome stress.

00:06:03.000 Those are the themes that Rick Warren built Saddleback on.

00:06:06.000 Now you turn it around and say, well, how do you deal with a child that's suicidal?

00:06:10.000 Or what do you do when the school's trying to convert your 11-year-old into becoming a different gender?

00:06:15.000 Or what do you do when you're being taught that your child's skin color is the reason for all the iniquity in the United States?

00:06:21.000 Now the pastor has got a whole different set of problems totally unequipped to address unless we do two things: provide the pressure for them to address them, which is coming through the congregation, evidently.

00:06:34.000 And secondly, the tools and resources.

00:06:36.000 None of this was taught to them at Bible College.

00:06:39.000 Yeah, that's right, Lance.

00:06:40.000 And let's talk about the Bible College of the seminaries.

00:06:42.000 I am shocked at how some of these seminaries have become basically left-wing institutions that are camouflaged or masquerading as seminaries.

00:06:53.000 How lost is the traditional American seminary?

00:06:56.000 I mean, I hear stories from some that have been these wonderful places like Calvin College or Taylor College in Indiana that used to be some of the strongest Bible colleges.

00:07:06.000 What has happened to our once great institutions and seminaries, Lance?

00:07:09.000 Where did that go off the rails?

00:07:12.000 Because they're unrecognizable, many of them now.

00:07:15.000 They are.

00:07:16.000 And so now it's so funny we're talking about this because 20 years ago, I started what became almost like a cult classic.

00:07:24.000 It's Seven Mountains of Culture.

00:07:26.000 20 years ago, I started talking to the church about you better pay attention to media and to academia and to government and to business and to entertainment along with your family and with your church.

00:07:39.000 Because the devil, if you want to put it in Christian language, the devil will go for the gates of influence. 0.99

00:07:46.000 If he can occupy the gates, he can control the traffic.

00:07:49.000 He will go for the top of these institutions.

00:07:52.000 And we better be training our children to think about being influences within the world system and not hiding out from the world system, looking for some kind of a rapture exodus or going into ministry as the only career for a Christian.

00:08:06.000 And the idea was applauded, but no churches took it seriously.

00:08:10.000 Meanwhile, you've got the socialist Marxist Italian Gramsci model actually being executed, the long march through the institutions.

00:08:18.000 And they didn't skip the religious mountain. 0.95

00:08:21.000 They went right to it.

00:08:22.000 They said, well, we're going to have same-sex marriage verified and accepted.

00:08:26.000 And then we're going to begin to have, we're going to change the laws about how the church can speak and what it can talk about.

00:08:33.000 And then we're going to go to the seminaries, the Bible colleges, and we're going to start to put wealthy donors on the boards who will fund if you will go along with certain modifications to your orthodoxy.

00:08:44.000 And it's done that way on every mountain.

00:08:47.000 It's done that way in education as well.

00:08:49.000 Incrementally, what you don't protect and steward spiritually, the devil will take.

00:08:55.000 Those gates have now become taken captive.

00:08:58.000 And it's harder to retake a gate once you've given it up.

00:09:02.000 That is really wise.

00:09:03.000 Check out the Lance Walnow program.

00:09:05.000 He also has a book, God's Chaos Code by Lance Walnow, the shocking blueprint that reveals five keys to the destiny of nations.

00:09:14.000 The Lance Walnow show is excellent and has a new podcast out.

00:09:17.000 And also author of God's Chaos Code, Cyrus Trump, which is a really great book.

00:09:24.000 I remember when Lance first laid out that Donald Trump was very similar to Cyrus.

00:09:30.000 I really encourage you guys to check it out.

00:09:32.000 Also, we got an email here from one of our listeners.

00:09:35.000 They said, Charlie, I'm resonating with Lance Sang.

00:09:37.000 I'm a practicing Jew.

00:09:39.000 The synagogue I grew up in wrapped the Torah the entire month of June in the pride flag.

00:09:44.000 So it's not just churches.

00:09:46.000 And so you're spot on there, Lance, and we'll talk about that.

00:09:48.000 That's pretty amazing.

00:09:49.000 That one's a new one.

00:09:50.000 I got to be honest.

00:09:51.000 I've not heard that one.

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00:10:57.000 Lance, just any reaction to the synagogue wrapping the Torah in the pride flag, these churches we see that do drag ceremonies. 1.00

00:11:06.000 Your reaction, Lance Walnow.

00:11:08.000 Listen, you know, I really wish we had a full-time comedy team because Babylon B is about the only place I can go to catch people to catch it.

00:11:17.000 The essence of humor is when you take an unpredictable direction at the end of the punchline.

00:11:22.000 And there's nothing to me, because I'm 20% Ashkenazi Jew.

00:11:26.000 I'm Jewish on my father's side.

00:11:28.000 There's nothing to me more incongruent than, let's say, an Orthodox Jew wrapping the Torah in a pride flag. 1.00

00:11:36.000 So I'm thinking, where can you find greater contrast or a punchline than that?

00:11:42.000 So that's, when you said it, I started laughing.

00:11:44.000 I don't know why I was laughing.

00:11:46.000 I was thinking, now that's about as incongruent as you could possibly get.

00:11:49.000 But there it is.

00:11:51.000 It's just, you know, it's like when they call Ben Carson, you know, a white nationalist.

00:11:56.000 There's something about these things that cracks me up, but I can't figure it out.

00:12:00.000 So, Lance, tell us about your book, God's Chaos Code.

00:12:04.000 It was originally published a couple years ago, but the truths are just as relevant today as it was then.

00:12:10.000 Tell us about your book and how it applies today.

00:12:13.000 Yeah, it's very simple.

00:12:15.000 You know, Chuck Missler years ago, great, brilliant engineer, turned theologian in California, said that the greatest miracle of the 21st century was that God took a people like Israel, scattered all over the world, and brought it back into their homeland after 2,000 years.

00:12:30.000 And they spoke the same language.

00:12:31.000 They had the same custom.

00:12:32.000 They come with the same beliefs.

00:12:34.000 And they pick up where they left off.

00:12:35.000 And the real estate was even available.

00:12:37.000 And he said that what we should be looking at is every book of the Bible that speaks of what happened when they returned and what God did.

00:12:47.000 And that's when I started going to the Bible and saying, wait a second, maybe there's a prophetic pattern.

00:12:52.000 When Israel in 1947 came back, maybe there's a pattern to what happened to Israel and what's happening in the world and particularly to this Gentile country, the United States, that has been so significant in its connection with Israel. 0.70

00:13:07.000 And that's when I was shocked.

00:13:08.000 I saw that it started with Cyrus, an outsider who was brought in to protect the Jews.

00:13:15.000 And it's Isaiah 45.

00:13:16.000 I looked at Isaiah 45 and said, my gosh, the 45th president is the only outsider we've got.

00:13:22.000 Everyone else is an evangelical to Christians.

00:13:24.000 You got a Huckabee, you got a Cruz, you got Ben Carson.

00:13:28.000 Trump comes in as the outsider.

00:13:30.000 And he's the Cyrus type.

00:13:32.000 And then it goes on to say that when they went back, Cyrus said, that God raised up Cyrus for the sake of his people.

00:13:39.000 I think Americans praying for this broadcast, for those that are Christians, our desperate prayers and intercession are the only thing that stands between America and imminent self-destruction.

00:13:50.000 So it was the prayers.

00:13:51.000 And so Cyrus, Isaiah the prophet said, 120 years before Cyrus was born, predicted God is going to raise up a ruler named Cyrus.

00:13:59.000 He's going to go into Babylon. 0.99

00:14:01.000 He's going to go.

00:14:02.000 He's going to go there for my people's sake, though when he does it, he will not be someone who knows me.

00:14:09.000 So right there, I have my argument that we can elect somebody like Trump when he was running, that he'll have an encounter with God, but God raises up sovereign vessels for the sake of his people.

00:14:19.000 After Cyrus came to power, the next thing was the focus is what you're doing, Charlie, which was the word was rebuild a national house, rebuild a vital house for the nation.

00:14:31.000 And so God's command was restore the house.

00:14:35.000 Cyrus said, go back to your land, rebuild the house.

00:14:38.000 And when they did that, they had a great awakening.

00:14:41.000 There's your C, Cyrus.

00:14:43.000 There's your H house. 0.92

00:14:44.000 There's your A awakening.

00:14:46.000 And the purpose of the awakening was what followed right after that.

00:14:49.000 Nehemiah and Ezra rise up.

00:14:52.000 This is exactly the history of the Jews. 0.99

00:14:54.000 They go back and they begin to rebuild the walls that were destroyed during their period of disobedience and restore the gates of influence, the 12 gates that were sieged by Babylon, the confusion that came into their country.

00:15:08.000 And after that, we come to the S.

00:15:11.000 They became a sovereign nation, a land where the Messiah himself would visit, fulfilling prophecy.

00:15:17.000 Or what Jesus says is sovereign sheep nations at the end of the age and goat nations are going to be gathered together. 0.99

00:15:24.000 Just two types of nations, those that retain their sovereignty and refuse to persecute God's people, and those that bow the knee to the spirit of empire.

00:15:34.000 And that's where we're at right now.

00:15:35.000 It spells C-H-A-O-S. 1.00

00:15:37.000 God is in the chaos.

00:15:40.000 You also can check out LanceWalnow.com where he has several interesting episodes out that I want to ask him about, including Jewish secrets Christians must learn.

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00:16:55.000 So, Lance, we're receiving several emails about Kim Clement.

00:16:59.000 You mentioned him in your book.

00:17:02.000 Talk about your time with Kim Clement and some of the, some would say, prophecies or predictions that he made towards the end of his life.

00:17:10.000 Tell us about that, Lance.

00:17:11.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:17:12.000 So Tim and I traveled together and he would do the prophetic ministry and then he would kind of turn to me to explain to people what it was he was prophesying.

00:17:22.000 Because as he said, he would get the nuts, but someone else had to crack them.

00:17:26.000 So he said fascinating things.

00:17:29.000 Like, for instance, before Trump came on the scene, he prophesied.

00:17:33.000 He had this South African accent.

00:17:36.000 And he said, the Spirit of the Lord says that I am dissatisfied with both parties.

00:17:41.000 Now, first of all, whoever heard God being interested in politics in the first place?

00:17:44.000 This is a revelation to a lot of pastors, but this prophet put it this way.

00:17:47.000 The spirit of the Lord says I'm dissatisfied with both parties.

00:17:51.000 And what I'm about to do will be repulsive to the Democrats and positively distasteful to the Republicans.

00:17:59.000 And I remember him saying that.

00:18:00.000 I thought, Kim, you only have two parties. 0.89

00:18:02.000 I mean, independent parties don't make it to the finish line here.

00:18:06.000 So how could we ever have a candidate that's repulsive to both parties or disliked by either party?

00:18:12.000 But then Trump came along and it actually fulfilled prophecy.

00:18:17.000 And then he went on to say that God was going to raise up a movement that was going to be neither this nor that, but it would be for America.

00:18:26.000 It will be an American party movement.

00:18:28.000 And I've often said, I think like the D Party and what's coming up now is the party that's for America. 0.93

00:18:34.000 And it's not grounded in the Uni Party, which is he was ahead of his time.

00:18:40.000 The Uniparty of I can tell you stories about specific words that he got with people and audiences that have raised their hair in their arms, but this is the part that is the most relevant to the battle we're in right now as a republic.

00:18:52.000 And he had some very specific prophecy.

00:18:54.000 We're actually going to try to get some of the tape here if we could do it in time.

00:18:59.000 Lance Wallnow continues to ask LanceWalnow.com.

00:19:03.000 Lance, I hear from some Christians, and you talk about this here, you know, unlocking end time secrets is one of the podcasts that you do on the Lance Wall Now Show.

00:19:10.000 I hear from some Christians, Charlie, things look so terrible. 1.00

00:19:13.000 They're not falling apart.

00:19:14.000 They're falling into place.

00:19:15.000 Jesus is coming next Thursday.

00:19:17.000 What is the point to fight?

00:19:19.000 Lance, how do you respond to Christians that emphasize eschatology to such an extent where they say, I'm done fighting. 0.97

00:19:27.000 I'm done contesting for truth.

00:19:29.000 Well, that's just frankly, and I don't mean to insult them because they're sincere people that would take the time to write.

00:19:34.000 But what they suffer from is biblical illiteracy.

00:19:38.000 Jesus said this, occupy till I come.

00:19:42.000 Now, when you get words like that from a commander-in-chief who's leaving, departing, and he says, I'm coming back like MacArthur, I will return.

00:19:49.000 And he says, Meanwhile, occupy till I come.

00:19:52.000 That's not the cue for you to be preoccupied with when he comes while you hide out in the basement eating soybeans and watching your favorite YouTube prophet.

00:20:01.000 So the people that are retreating from the battle of culture, I would almost predict are the very ones who Jesus warns about.

00:20:11.000 There's 10 virgins when he comes back.

00:20:13.000 They're all virgins. 0.92

00:20:14.000 They're all believers.

00:20:15.000 They're all virgin.

00:20:16.000 Only five of them were ready when he returned.

00:20:19.000 Five of them had oil in their lamp.

00:20:21.000 They had oil with them.

00:20:22.000 Why?

00:20:23.000 Because they were engaged.

00:20:25.000 The other five were sleeping.

00:20:27.000 So those that want to hide out, that want to anesthetize themselves, that want to go into, and California is like the grand poo-bah of this deception.

00:20:36.000 We're just not going to vote and get involved with politics because the sooner things fall apart, the sooner Jesus returns.

00:20:41.000 Well, that's not exactly right.

00:20:43.000 Jesus says, occupy till I come.

00:20:45.000 And then he says, all authority in heaven and earth has been given to me.

00:20:49.000 Go therefore and disciple nations.

00:20:52.000 Break out what I teach as a worldview.

00:20:55.000 Teach other nations. 0.97

00:20:57.000 The mistake we made in America is the church isolated itself, focused on its own growth, its own spiritual empowerment, and the return of Jesus, while the secular world taught.

00:21:10.000 We preached and they taught.

00:21:12.000 We should have done what Jesus said, preach the gospel and teach nations.

00:21:17.000 We should have been in education, teaching worldview.

00:21:20.000 We should have been in economics, teaching economics.

00:21:23.000 You know, most of the progress of civilization, people don't get this, came out of the Reformation base of Europe.

00:21:29.000 It came out of science.

00:21:31.000 It came out from music with Bach to Newton.

00:21:34.000 These were people of faith, Charlie.

00:21:36.000 These weren't the enlightened God-rejectors of Harvard.

00:21:40.000 These were enlightened Christians who gave us the Renaissance, the Reformation, and the progress we have in America.

00:21:47.000 So when I hear Christians say they don't want to get involved with the bitty gritty of what you're doing right now, I see people that are forsaking the front lines of the battle where occupation is needed most. 0.96

00:22:01.000 So let me read here, Lance, and I'd like to have you respond.

00:22:05.000 Andy Stanley wrote a book about not getting involved in politics.

00:22:09.000 He writes, quote, the reaction of evangelicals to political and cultural shifts in recent years revealed what they value most.

00:22:17.000 Lurking beneath our Bible-laced rhetoric, faith claims, books, and sermons is a relentless drive to win.

00:22:23.000 But the church is not here to win, writes Andy Stanley.

00:22:26.000 By every human measure, our savior lost on purpose, with a purpose.

00:22:31.000 It's bizarre.

00:22:32.000 I don't really know how he could say that.

00:22:34.000 And we are his body.

00:22:35.000 We are not in it to win anything.

00:22:37.000 We are in it for something else entirely.

00:22:39.000 That something else is what this book is about.

00:22:42.000 And so he argues here that the church should not get involved at all.

00:22:47.000 He's a quote-unquote leading evangelical speaker.

00:22:51.000 CNN.com article says here, quote, I want to make sure I read this correctly and quote it correctly, that the evangelical church faces a state of emergency over politics and getting involved in politics.

00:23:05.000 Lance Walno, your reaction to Andy Stanley.

00:23:07.000 The state of the American church faces a crisis over whether or not it's going to be under the influence of these false teachers like Andy Stanley or whether they're going to be enlightened in time to protect themselves and their children from the loss of liberty.

00:23:23.000 The problem with Andy Stanley is that he doesn't, that they listen to the logic of what he says, that he isn't valuated, that evangelicals get engaged with political matters because of their desire to win.

00:23:37.000 Well, let's say that you've got Al-Qaeda trying to break into the cockpit of the plane.

00:23:41.000 You and your family are on your way to a vacation, but Al-Qaeda wants to crash it.

00:23:46.000 Maybe winning for you is keeping al-Qaeda from being behind the controls that will crash your future and your family.

00:23:54.000 This is why we engage in every battle we get into.

00:23:57.000 It's out of love for the passengers of the plane.

00:24:00.000 It's out of love for our children.

00:24:02.000 We aren't in it to win it.

00:24:04.000 We're fighting for survival at this point.

00:24:06.000 We are in the battle of the ages to keep the lights on for liberty and freedom of speech.

00:24:11.000 When you've got Jordan Peterson in Ontario, Canada, having to put $40,000 a month up in legal expenses and being forced in order to retain his license as a psychiatrist to have to subject himself to social media communication training under the Trudeau government, when you have another pastor like Arthur Pulaski struggling to maybe have to go to prison because he was preaching the gospel to truckers when they were protesting, my friend Andy Stanley is out to lunch.

00:24:39.000 I feel sorry for the people that are under the influence of voices like that.

00:24:44.000 The Apostle Paul said that I don't run aimlessly.

00:24:47.000 I don't fight aimlessly.

00:24:49.000 I fight in order to score points.

00:24:51.000 And as an athlete, I keep my body under.

00:24:54.000 All the metaphors of Paul were about being in it to win it.

00:24:58.000 He was in it to win the crown of God's approval for a job well done.

00:25:02.000 Our job in America is to preserve the religious liberty and the truth that God has given this country before the lights go out.

00:25:10.000 And if we do not occupy till he comes, the territory will be occupied by something seven times worse.

00:25:17.000 Perversion, communism, Marxism, death is going to be in our future.

00:25:24.000 Is that an overstatement?

00:25:25.000 No, it's not.

00:25:26.000 And it says here in 1 Corinthians 15, 57, but thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

00:25:34.000 I don't understand how Andy Stanley could write that by every human measure, our Savior lost.

00:25:41.000 I mean, rising from the dead, even by human measures is like the greatest victory ever.

00:25:46.000 What does he mean by that, Lance? 0.95

00:25:48.000 By every human, well, what he's saying is that Christian, it's a pietism gone crazy. 1.00

00:25:54.000 It's almost like Alzheimer's got to him with pietism.

00:25:58.000 What happens is the idea that you're supposed to be separated from the motivation of carnal things.

00:26:05.000 This is true.

00:26:06.000 We are not in it in order to gain earthly recognition or power.

00:26:10.000 This is what the left and the weak evangelicals accuse us of, Charlie.

00:26:14.000 They say, you guys are in a power struggle, just like the left is in a power struggle.

00:26:19.000 Actually, no, that's why I use the metaphor of al-Qaeda in a plane for 9-11.

00:26:24.000 What we're trying to do is we're trying to protect, we're using the God-given freedoms that we have in order to protect ourselves from the loss of those freedoms.

00:26:34.000 Andy Stanley, I'm going to say something controversial.

00:26:36.000 Andy Stanley and Freflo Dollar are two of the most prominent, powerful, influential Georgia preachers we've got.

00:26:44.000 Their decision to not educate and engage their congregations probably cost us Georgia.

00:26:53.000 And with that, you now have Trump struggling with his own survival, where the one case where the most deranged zip code could put him behind bars occupies, you could lay that at the foot of two pastors who subscribe to the demonic idea that Christians shouldn't care about the government mountain.

00:27:13.000 Yeah, so what has Andy Stanley and the Georgia pastors done to speak out about the people that have been wrongfully indicted by Fannie Willis?

00:27:21.000 Nothing.

00:27:22.000 Of course, nothing.

00:27:24.000 That's such a powerful point, Lance.

00:27:26.000 And I mean, some people say, oh, Charlie, you pick on Andy Stanley too much.

00:27:30.000 No, he picks on the truth too much, and so he deserves it.

00:27:34.000 And Lance, about a minute, react to this, that if you are in the ministry and you're abusing the holy, you should not be in the ministry.

00:27:42.000 You can go find something else to do.

00:27:44.000 So tell us about this.

00:27:46.000 React to that, Lance.

00:27:47.000 If you're in the ministry, you should be held to a higher standard, Lance Walnut.

00:27:52.000 Yeah, well, you know, so we that teach the word should be held to a higher scrutiny.

00:27:57.000 And certainly the thing like with Andy Stanley, I was thinking about he's not in it to win it.

00:28:02.000 So he's going to choose it to lose it.

00:28:05.000 Nobody that is going to get behind the pulpit today can afford to go there unless they have courage.

00:28:13.000 And that means that you can't be worried about losing people or losing money.

00:28:17.000 But I can almost promise you, every pastor that is articulate, well-informed, and properly motivated will replace the people he loses with actually strongly committed patriot Christians who will build your church.

00:28:29.000 It's the best church growth strategy in the world right now is to have a perspective and articulate it strongly because the church is looking for leadership.

00:28:39.000 The church is in desperate need of leadership and it is hard to find.

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00:29:42.000 Lance, I want to give you an opportunity to plug your show, your podcast, Lance.

00:29:46.000 You've been very generous with your time.

00:29:47.000 You've been a great friend.

00:29:48.000 Tell people how they could support you, your program, and the content that you're putting out.

00:29:52.000 Lance Walnut.

00:29:53.000 Well, thank you so much, Charlie.

00:29:55.000 So the Lance Walmart show has like around, got like around a weird 11 million downloads or something so far.

00:30:01.000 And we just started like two years ago.

00:30:03.000 And the real challenge for me is, I don't know how you handle this.

00:30:07.000 Well, I think you do it well.

00:30:09.000 But I have a difficulty because I can't get on secular radio because I'm too Christian.

00:30:14.000 I can't get on Christian radio because I'm too political.

00:30:16.000 You're the only guy I know that's been able to navigate the two and get radio stations.

00:30:19.000 So I should probably work with you more.

00:30:22.000 But the beautiful thing about the show we've got is I get to talk about whatever I want to talk about because I've got 200,000 subscribers.

00:30:31.000 They took me off of YouTube on.

00:30:33.000 And I made the decision.

00:30:34.000 I'm going to build a podcast where I don't edit what I say for fear of what censors don't approve of.

00:30:42.000 I agree with Tucker Carlson.

00:30:43.000 Say the thing they don't want you to talk about.

00:30:46.000 And I believe the awakening that is in America right now is going to be driven by Christian engagement, but it's going to ultimately become a populist movement.

00:30:53.000 So that's the focus of our show, Charlie.

00:30:56.000 You can get it on any kind of a platform.

00:30:58.000 And I do a lot of, for the old timers, I still do a lot of Facebook videos because I do these late night rants at around 11 o'clock that my studio team can't keep up with.

00:31:07.000 So that's when I ventilate and go through my gestull therapy.

00:31:11.000 You guys have got to check out the Lance Walmart show.

00:31:13.000 In closing here, Lance, I want you to address this.

00:31:15.000 It's kind of a two-part question.

00:31:16.000 Charlie and Lance, I love everything you're saying, but my pastor won't budge.

00:31:20.000 He says we only preach the gospel.

00:31:22.000 Should I try to confront him, counsel him, challenge him, leave the church?

00:31:26.000 We get this question all the time, Lance.

00:31:29.000 I'm sure you do too.

00:31:30.000 Should I leave the church?

00:31:31.000 Should I find a better church?

00:31:32.000 I try to change the church because it's one thing to talk to pastors.

00:31:35.000 We're trying to do this at TPUSA faith, but also in the congregants.

00:31:40.000 Your reaction, Lance, as we kind of close out this discussion, how they should handle this.

00:31:44.000 Yes, well, two things.

00:31:45.000 First of all, understand that I hate to say this, but the church is a little bit like a political institution.

00:31:52.000 Who is the pastor's primary client?

00:31:55.000 Who is he trying to keep happy?

00:31:56.000 He's got elders.

00:31:57.000 He's got a board of directors or a nonprofit board.

00:32:01.000 He's got leadership on his eldership team, whoever brought him in, if he's the next pastor after the last guy.

00:32:07.000 So the way that you have to approach this is if you're not a good member in standing, your opinion is pretty much useless.

00:32:13.000 You're not a giving member, a participating member.

00:32:16.000 If you're not an influential member, then you're just an opinion.

00:32:19.000 So what you want to do is make sure you've got a good relationship with the pastor and the church by investing in it.

00:32:24.000 The second thing is don't go alone.

00:32:27.000 Your one single voice isn't powerful.

00:32:30.000 But if you can get two or three other people to join with you, that gets a pastor's attention.

00:32:35.000 If you get one businessman, one giver, here's their economics, one significant tither or giver to the church whose wife agrees with you, get with that couple.

00:32:47.000 If they will support you in saying, we don't want you to change the gospel, we want you to address questions that we're hearing all the time.

00:32:56.000 And then you can look at Barna's list of questions, which people, 90% of the people in the church want to have answers to.

00:33:03.000 They want to know how does the Bible apply to economics?

00:33:05.000 How does the Bible apply to race theory?

00:33:06.000 How does the Bible apply to sex and gender?

00:33:08.000 And if the pastor understands that you've got influence, you've got someone in business behind you, and that you're asking them to be informed on things that 90% of the church wants to hear about, I would say you've got more leverage in that conversation than just saying, why don't you talk about abortion or something like that?

00:33:25.000 Lance Walnow, everybody, check it out.

00:33:27.000 LanceWalnow.com.

00:33:28.000 He does an amazing job.

00:33:31.000 Lance, thanks so much.

00:33:32.000 Talk to you soon.

00:33:33.000 God bless you, Charlie.

00:33:34.000 Always good to see you.

00:33:35.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:36.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:39.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - September 14, 2023

Real Christian Nationalism with Lance Wallnau

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