Rich Barris joins us to discuss the perplexing issue of the MAGA base and why they never give up. Charlie and Rich talk about the 14th Amendment, the Mueller investigation, and how to keep the momentum going.
00:00:37.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:45.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:28.000You have Adam Schiff and Jen Psaki talking about it, but we were right on the mark.
00:01:33.000I remember, boom, as soon as it came out in the Atlantic New York Times, we connected the dots, we mobilized you, the audience, and it became national news.
00:01:39.000Charlie Kirk Show audience pours calls into New Hampshire very, very quick.
00:01:44.000And now Adam Schiff is saying that there's legitimacy to the 14th Amendment discussion.
00:01:49.000But sometimes the media is behind the curve.
00:01:53.000One of the things I've been talking about as I travel the country and I talk to grassroots groups, which I love, is how confused the oligarchs are, the insiders, about you.
00:02:14.000Use the playbook that Yuri Besminov, KGB spy, articulated with indictments, smearing, slandering, deplatforming, raiding of people's homes, bottom-up, top-down, Michigan electors.
00:02:38.000Go after every single one of the type of political leaders, the humorists, Douglas Mackey, the political strategist, Steve Bannon, the filmmakers, Tanesh D'Souza.
00:04:18.000But all of a sudden, you're seeing a little bit of whispers in the media, and they're saying it's not working the way we thought it would.
00:04:30.000They thought you would be giving up by now.
00:04:33.000They were convinced by the second indictment or the third indictment or that sentencing or 1,200 people in front of January 6th here, and eventually the damn would break.
00:04:47.000And Donna Brazil, who's not my favorite person, has one of the wisest 30 to 40 second tapes I've heard.
00:05:35.000We indict them, we audit them, we smear them, we slander them, we call them racists, we call them anti-Semites, we kick them off social media, and they only get more enthusiastic.
00:05:48.000This is Donna Brazil, who, again, I don't appreciate a lot of her commentary, but she committed the crime of noticing on ABC, and she's not the only one.
00:05:57.000I'm going to play some other pieces of tape.
00:06:59.000And anyone who thinks that you can apply the old political rules to trying to defeat this candidate based on he's scary, he's ugly, whatever you might want to call him, this is a movement.
00:07:09.000And we have to respect the fact that it's a movement.
00:07:52.000You indict the figure, you go after the followers, it just breaks, and people go back to drinking whatever, Bud Light and watching TV, but something's different here.
00:08:16.000So if you use perseverance, use the idea of endurance, use the idea that they're tough, that means you could go through tough times.
00:08:23.000The idea of being anti-fragile, there's a whole book written on it, is that the institution, the company, the person, the organization actually gets stronger the more adversity you push upon it.
00:08:38.000That the more you persecute, the more you punish, the more that you try to destroy, it actually strengthens it.
00:08:49.000And now all of a sudden you see the mockingbird media, they're like waking up post-Labor Day.
00:08:56.000And they're saying, whoa, Bring it back.
00:09:30.000We do have new polling from the Wall Street Journal that has President Joe Biden and Donald Trump in a dead heat in a 2024 general election matchup.
00:09:40.000In the survey, 46% say they would vote for Biden, while 46% say they would vote for Trump.
00:10:34.000And now all of a sudden you're wondering why it's not going as well.
00:10:37.000Their war on the conservative movement is failing the same way that their financing of the Ukrainian counteroffensive against Russia is failing.
00:11:13.000And the weak need, fragile types on MSNBC and the mockingbird media, I don't know if they have the stomach for what's coming next.
00:11:20.000You have had every reason to surrender, to give up, and you haven't.
00:11:26.000You deserve a lot of credit, and it's making them nervous.
00:11:33.000It's time to take a stand for life, everybody.
00:11:34.000We can say we're pro-life, but what does that actually mean?
00:11:37.000In a post-Roe versus Wade world, there are states that are more radically pro-death than ever before, aborting babies up until the moment they draw their first breath.
00:12:45.000Eugene Robinson is literally, if you would just take the script of this, Eugen G. Robinson is saying exactly what the Charlie Kirk Show and Turning Point Action have been saying.
00:12:55.000I've been telling this to donors, and they're like, oh, what about Nikki Healy?
00:12:58.000Guys, focus, We're not good at that in the conservative movement.
00:13:09.000Seven counties, three states, seven counties, three states.
00:13:13.000Well, what about no, seven counties, three states?
00:13:17.000But Eugene Robinson on MSNBC is literally singing off of the song sheet of Turning Point Action.
00:13:24.000For those of you that are devout fans and really watch the Charlie Kirk show, thank you, listen on radio, you know that we have been singing this tune since January of this year.
00:13:34.000We've done the math, we figured it out.
00:13:35.000I went on Tim Poole's show and walked through it.
00:15:28.000Focus on the seven counties, support the grassroots warriors that are doing it, and you have to believe.
00:15:34.000I know I'm going to tell you something that is really scary for some of you.
00:15:38.000You have to have what I call cautious hope.
00:15:43.000I took some time off this weekend and I saw our beautiful national parks in Yellowstone and the Grand Tetons.
00:15:48.000And there was a very, there was like this almost transcendent moment I had as I was overlooking one of the beautiful lakes and I saw the mountain and I had to stop myself.
00:16:01.000Turned my phone off for a couple days.
00:16:14.000When you have put to bed cynicism of the intel agencies, the big companies, and all that, and you actually believe you can win, you then open the door for disappointment.
00:24:09.000You know, I think that's, you know, something we had seen a year or so ago at the height of when Republicans were polling really strong on the generic ballot.
00:24:17.000But it was always going to tighten, Charlie.
00:24:20.000This is a divided country, regardless of how one party may do better one year and the next party.
00:24:26.000Donald Trump lost the election by a slimmer number of votes than he won in 2016.
00:24:32.000They threw everything at him, and it was still that close.
00:24:36.000But this time, there are key groups, key demographic groups, Charlie, that this is different than 2020.
00:24:46.000And I got to tell you, if he hasn't plummeted yet, despite all the loaded questions that you see in the CNN poll that just came out, if he's convicted, if he did this wrong, if he did that wrong, elections are A-B tests.
00:25:00.000And even if Trump was to be convicted on some of these things, some people are not going to care.
00:25:06.000It's going to be the guy who's gotten convicted by his political opponent versus the guy who did the prosecuting because he's alleged to have been taking bribes from hostile foreign nations.
00:25:17.000I mean, so people are really blowing this out of proportion.
00:27:27.000And anyone who thinks that you can apply the old political rules to trying to defeat this candidate based on he's scary, he's ugly, whatever you might want to call him, this is a movement.
00:27:38.000And we have to respect the fact that it's a movement.
00:28:35.000We have to at least entertain the idea or the possibility that watching people get put in jail for supporting Donald Trump is going to result in a social bias in the poll.
00:28:46.000So when I'm telling you, he's up, you know, 45, 42, maybe three points with Colonel Cornell West in the ballot.
00:28:56.000It's at least likely that some of those people who are choosing someone else are undecided, are full of crap.
00:29:01.000And they're going to vote for Donald Trump, but they're just afraid to talk to the pollster.
00:29:04.000And I know it's there because we're getting refusals.
00:29:07.000And those people are outwardly telling us, I'm not participating in this poll.
00:29:11.000I'm not telling you whom I, you know, this is not the time to be telling people about your political beliefs.
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00:30:28.000Some of the smarter guys on the left, Rich, we don't like them, but they have a tendency to see things as they are, not how they want them to be.
00:31:37.000And the poll we did in Florida the month before was he was up by about 20 points, and it was a little over 50 to 30 in change for DeSantis.
00:31:48.000He's crushing DeSantis in Florida now post-mug shot, crushing it.
00:32:02.000And then nationally, we had Trump at 56 with Vivek and DeSantis roughly tied, one with 11, one with 12.
00:32:10.000So he's just not, they're not, it's, it's really, I know it's hard for them to grasp, but you could always tell when David Axelot is being serious and when he's being a partisan.
00:32:21.000And that was stone-cold, serious David, right there.
00:32:25.000Because David knows something that apparently a lot of anti-Trump partisans on the left and right don't know or don't want to admit, which is that, you know, political martyrs, Charlie, Jake Guevara, Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther, Martin Loser King, they do win elections.
00:32:47.000I mean, there's one right now in Mexico, right to the south of us, who, by the way, himself is calling this a political persecution.
00:32:54.000Well, look at Lula in Brazil, he was in prison, right?
00:33:00.000I mean, the idea that you go, not always, but if there's any flex in the joint, I mean, if like if he was indicted for murder or something, that's separate.
00:33:10.000But if there's any flex in the joints of like gray area, history shows us that you can flip an indictment to a positive.
00:33:24.000Yeah, and I'm from New York and New Jersey, and I've actually seen this before, local politicians.
00:33:30.000It's just that you have to make sure the media doesn't peg you the way the media tried to peg Trump, where like an indictment is actually guilt.
00:33:38.000It's not an argument from a prosecutor.
00:33:54.000And that just smells like BS to people, Charlie.
00:33:56.000And I'll say one more thing: people who think that this is not going to make him more relatable with non-whites don't know non-whites, like the real non-white population in this country.
00:34:07.000We interviewed somebody the other day, and I mean, basically, Charlie, I just never would believe I would hear a young African-American man talk about a billionaire white guy like this.
00:34:20.000But he's basically like, now Trump knows how we feel.
00:34:24.000He's, you know, he's got the best chance to take it to the man.
00:34:28.000He's got the best chance to take it to the system.