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00:01:39.000Well, let's not quibble over the details here.
00:01:42.000Blake, we actually got things passed in the House yesterday, but of course, because it's D.C. and because this is America, it can't be without controversy.
00:01:54.000And I am, of course, referencing the new bill, the Stop Insider Trading Act.
00:02:00.000Now, this was something that President Trump had floated at the State of the Union.
00:02:04.000Massive applause, massive populist energy behind things like this.
00:02:09.000It is very clear the American people do not want Congress to.
00:02:13.000Trading based on insider info, based on where the government's going to be spending money, where regulations are going, what's coming out of committee.
00:02:21.000We do not want them using that information to then enrich themselves.
00:02:26.000And a lot of people, all eyes were on Nancy Pelosi.
00:02:31.000But the controversy here, Blake, is that House Republicans attached aspects of the Save America Act requiring voter ID on federal elections to this.
00:02:41.000So critics are calling this a Trojan horse, they're calling it a partisan sham.
00:02:47.000My question is, why wouldn't you just vote for both?
00:02:49.000Because both are very common sense pieces of legislation.
00:02:52.000Nevertheless, it does pass, and I think this is a positive step in the right direction.
00:02:59.000Is it everything I want the bill to be?
00:03:00.000No, I actually think there were stronger versions of this bill.
00:03:04.000But first reaction to it getting passed, then we'll go through some of the specifics here, Blake.
00:03:08.000Well, I just, what I would say is, I've been around the block on this, and I don't think Republicans are going to get any kudos if they can't get a Senate to pass these things.
00:03:20.000If they can pass a ban on stock trading, if they can pass pieces of the Save Act, both things they can do if they get rid of the filibuster to do it.
00:03:32.000So you pass stop, you pass save, you lower gas prices.
00:03:36.000And that would be a pretty good message for the midterms, but they've got to actually pass it.
00:03:41.000And I'm worried the critics are right that they attach the Save Act stuff so they can make the bill sound more good for red meat conservatives.
00:03:48.000And then they also know it will not pass out of the Senate.
00:03:53.000It pains me to say that only because we've been around the block all year on this.
00:03:59.000My warning to Republicans is this that if they manage to talk about the Save Act all year, all of 2026, and then not pass it, they're going to get whacked in the midterms, and they'll deserve to get whacked in the midterms.
00:04:45.000So I choose to be an optimist today, Blake, because they actually moved something through that is common sense that the American people want.
00:04:53.000I was in the room, Blake, during the State of the Union when President Trump first floated this idea.
00:04:59.000And I will tell you, That the energy and the exuberance and the clapping, the applause for that moment was huge.
00:05:07.000Then we got all distracted with Iran, and people forget about that moment.
00:05:10.000But coming off the State of the Union was a huge, huge populist, domestic, wonderful vibe shift that we desperately needed in this country.
00:06:38.000We've all sort of been wondering why they haven't been in place since.
00:06:42.000Now, again, I'll just say there were certain acts in the past, Blake.
00:06:45.000There was the Ethics Act or the Honest Act, which aimed for full bans on holding and trading individual stocks with divestment requirements and coverage.
00:06:55.000So that doesn't happen, but it does build on the 2012 Stock Act.
00:06:59.000So these are positive steps in the right direction, but you're absolutely 100% accurate here.
00:07:06.000The proof is in the pudding, the rubber meets the road in the U.S. Senate.
00:07:11.000The question then becomes, can we get this through the parliamentarian?
00:09:00.000You should get to election day, midterm day, with zero vacancies on any position that Trump can make an appointment to.
00:09:09.000All of those people should be confirmed.
00:09:10.000If you do that, like I said, the stop and save gas station.
00:09:15.000If you have the Stop Act passed so that they can say, we're doing something populist, we're not enriching ourselves on insider trading, which is illegal for you, but it's been legal for us for ages.
00:09:25.000If you ban that, and if you pass the Save Act, and if gas prices get lower because of Iran, we'll talk about that up ahead, you have a good message.
00:09:36.000And again, one of the issues in this election is going to be the economy, affordability.
00:09:42.000If you pass this, it's a huge symbolic victory that the elites, the oligarchs, they don't get to enrich themselves and put themselves ahead of the American people.
00:09:51.000That's why I think this is so important.
00:09:53.000It's an important scalp to win heading into the midterms.
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00:13:57.000Like I said, they're debating in the notes.
00:13:59.000Other athletes at the Paralympics were completing more full reps.
00:14:03.000For those of you who couldn't see it, that was a woman at a powerlifting competition, and I'm not even sure her elbows move.
00:14:10.000She's doing the bench press, and I think the bar literally moves about one inch and it counts as a rep. That definitely stands for our goal.
00:14:32.000Here's what's really going on here, though.
00:14:35.000And I want to get into this because this now is becoming another front in this battle for the Save America Act, which we all agree is super important.
00:14:43.000But let's just hear the Democrats in their own words, okay?
00:14:47.000A journalist went and approached Pocahontas Senator Elizabeth Warren and asked about the fact that we now have proof.
00:14:57.000Far, far, this is the tiniest tip of the iceberg.
00:15:00.000But now we have proof out of New Jersey with the scandal unfolding where we found out there is 6,600 non citizens who are found on their voter rolls.
00:15:09.000That number is actually higher now, it's 5x higher that we've confirmed.
00:15:13.000But Senator Elizabeth Warren is now asked about it because there's proof some of them voted.
00:15:19.000I know you're vehemently opposed to the Save America Act, but does the recent revelation in New Jersey with the aliens who are actually registered to vote change your opinion on getting that legislation passed?
00:15:27.000Look, it is already illegal for someone who's not an American citizen to vote.
00:16:30.000If you're in the country illegally and you get a letter saying that you can vote and you know you're not supposed to, not only you're not supposed to vote, you're not supposed to be there.
00:16:43.000I mean, but I just like wonder, like, that's some stupid business.
00:16:48.000I mean, it gets at what we've talked about, which is it's about the decentralization of everything.
00:16:54.000Is that I think part of what's going on, the Democrats, they love the idea, make it super automatic that these people will register, that a lot of these people could, you could practically accidentally register to vote and end up, I don't want to say accidentally voting, but you can imagine these people getting rushed along.
00:17:10.000Voting for something, not really maybe grasping the full consequences of it.
00:17:14.000And they make it so easy throughout the process that it's not like you even need to send an operative to illegally solicit their vote.
00:17:22.000You just make it so they're automatically registered.
00:17:59.000President Trump did that whole press conference, a primetime address, where we found out there's over a quarter of a million in just a handful of states that are on the voter rolls.
00:18:09.000In New Jersey, we find out it's over 35,000, actually, and many of them did vote.
00:18:46.000If they want to go with that line of reasoning, make them do it from the Senate floor and put their name on it.
00:18:53.000Colorado is at it again, trying to silence free speech, because that's what they do in Colorado.
00:18:58.000A state law forces businesses to refer to some customers with inaccurate pronouns, even if using them would violate the business owner's religious beliefs or conscience.
00:19:08.000That's a violation of free speech, but as Colorado has proved time and again, it has little concern for the First Amendment.
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00:19:21.000But a court recently ruled against them, which is a huge, huge problem.
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00:20:09.000Well, it's been a few weeks since we've talked about Iran, but the Iran conflict has continued to stop and start and stop and start and have ceasefires and not have ceasefires.
00:20:20.000And it looks like we're grinding back towards the direction.
00:20:24.000Of a showdown with the Islamic Republic.
00:20:27.000So, we have a new guest on to talk about that.
00:20:29.000He's a former Navy EOD officer that is explosive ordnance disposal, highly relevant to this conflict in the Strait of Hormuz.
00:20:38.000Tom Sauer, former Navy Lieutenant Commander, he's joining us now.
00:21:06.000Yeah, I got to say that I can understand why a lot of people feel like this is meant to be, you know, we're just in this stalemate, but I really don't think that's the case.
00:21:14.000If you consider the fact that Iran now has virtually zero power projection right now outside towards its neighbors, aside from perhaps molesting shipping traffic in the Strait of Hormuz, which is continuing to be less and less and being diminished day by day.
00:21:32.000You're now also seeing the strangulation again of the blockade against Iran, which is going to, you know, that's not meant to just squeeze, it's not meant to squeeze the people per se.
00:21:42.000It's also meant to squeeze the infrastructure, the actual power structure of the Iranian leadership.
00:21:49.000So, you know, look, a lot of people are very anxious about this in terms of like, does this mean we're going to go take Karg Island?
00:21:58.000I think that there are options on the table out there that do not involve any sort of a forever war, something like Iraq or Vietnam.
00:22:09.000But also, I think it's important to point out that Iran's strategy here.
00:22:13.000If I were the Iranians, I would probably follow the following strategy.
00:22:17.000And frankly, I hate to be the one to say it, but it's the same strategy that the Democrats have.
00:22:23.000And what I mean by that is that Iran wants to play this out, drag it out as long as possible, shoot, stop, say, you know, they'll get beat up a little bit more.
00:22:36.000Then they're going to say that we can't control some of the military commanders in our provinces.
00:22:41.000They're going to lash out again, go back and forth.
00:22:43.000And with their goal is to drive up prices, right?
00:22:48.000You know, particularly of oil, which, you know, as we all know, translates to prices everywhere else going up.
00:22:53.000Their goal is to keep those prices up, keep this dragging out, which obviously won't necessarily politically bode well for President Trump in the midterm elections.
00:23:05.000And their goal is to have, you know, a loss of the House andor the Senate in November.
00:23:13.000And then once the, And then, you know, once the Democrats were to take power in Congress, their goal is that the funding would get cut and we would be forced with some situation where we have to start leaving Iran alone.
00:23:28.000So that's what I mean when I say that the IRGC, the Hamas, Hezbollah, who are funded and supported by them, and the Democrat Party all have the same goal right now.
00:23:39.000And I know that sounds a little overly partisan, but it's just objectively true.
00:24:57.000But they're going to continue to pay a very heavy price.
00:24:59.000And he goes on, and this is something called I've been texting with a bunch of people the last week, and I've heard this phrase come up a number of times the Shia bravado.
00:25:08.000That's what they call it, Shia bravado.
00:25:12.000When these people do a deal, they either break it or after they make it, they want to change the deal.
00:25:16.000So they're probably not ready to do a deal yet, but they will be soon because the price they're paying is very high, despite their tough. Talk and their flowery language and their stupid Lego videos they put out.
00:25:25.000I've never seen them, but they put these things out on social media.
00:25:28.000Despite all that bravado, they are suffering tremendously and they're going to suffer more until they come to their senses.
00:25:35.000Yeah, I think there's a lot to that right there.
00:25:37.000Is well, yeah, just the reaction I would say is, yeah, there is a lot of that like bravado as you talk about because you know, so much of it, it's like a lot of other cultures, non Western cultures, it's a very like face saving type of a culture and remaining defiant.
00:25:54.000Now, uh, one thing I'd say that you, when you mentioned earlier, is a lot of their targets hadn't been hit yet.
00:25:59.000One thing that I think is really interesting to point out is the Iranians were at least smart enough because look, a lot of people think these people are just you know, dominant educated, that's far from it.
00:26:10.000You know, their leadership is quite fanatical.
00:26:13.000But one of the things that you guys and the viewers should realize is that they knew that if they got into a real conflict with the United States, as they have, that most of their conventional forces or conventional Navy would go away.
00:26:29.000Like they lost their ships, they lost their, you know, what few submarines they have.
00:26:34.000Now, granted, they've got conventional ground troops, but that's, you know, that's not really a threat to the region.
00:26:40.000So what they did, and they knew that was going to go away.
00:26:43.000But what they did invest a lot of time and effort and money into is a lot of these hidden missile sites, launch sites, storage facilities, the so-called mosquito fleet, which is what we call fast and shore attack craft, FACFIAC, a lot of that.
00:27:02.000And also keep in mind, the coastline of Iran is about roughly the same length as California.
00:27:10.000And it's also pretty craggy and mountainous along most of that coastline.
00:27:14.000So you can hide a lot of things in there.
00:27:17.000And one thing as well, I think it's safe to say that the Iranian coastline along the Persian Gulf and, you know, and along the Strait of Hormuz is probably some of the most heavily surveilled in the world right now.
00:27:32.000And I think you're going to start seeing that the future attacks are going to get fewer and further between because every time they make a move, we see it and we'll most likely hit it or be able to hit it.
00:27:44.000So that's one of the things that I think between that and addition, the blockade.
00:27:50.000And also, I've been told with not, I haven't given any of the details, but there are other options on the table for the president to force a deal.
00:27:59.000And it may be a deal that's not a great one for them, but they have no other choice to accept.
00:28:03.000But all that said is the Iranians pursued what they call their mosaic plan.
00:28:10.000And I'm not sure if you or your viewers are familiar with this, but in 2003, When they saw Iraq get absolutely pummeled and Saddam Hussein's government taken over in a matter of weeks.
00:28:24.000You know, like say what you want about the occupation of Iraq.
00:28:30.000But we did take out their government and their conventional military very quickly because we did decapitation strikes, destroyed all of their command and control communications.
00:28:40.000And, you know, they were blind very quickly and it was over soon.
00:28:43.000So Iran saw that and they said, oh crap.
00:28:47.000We need to be able to plan against something like that.
00:28:50.000So, what they did with their mosaic plan is Iran has 31 provinces, and each province is essentially its own command and control C2 node, right?
00:29:01.000Where they have their standing orders.
00:29:04.000They know what they're supposed to do in case they get into a big shooting war with America or whomever else, but in this case, America.
00:29:11.000And they have their own, I guess you could say, self contained military fighting force.
00:29:16.000And so, what we're doing now to counter that is you've seen some of the infrastructure we've been hitting.
00:29:31.000And basically cutting them off in terms of power, rail, bridges, roadways to make sure that they are completely isolated because those are the biggest threats to American shipping.
00:29:42.000And even though the actual firepower, power projection capability against merchant traffic is relatively low, the issue, though, is that insurance companies don't want to underwrite it or they make the premiums too expensive.
00:29:56.000No, I think that's all really, really smart analysis.
00:29:59.000I think the question then becomes, You know, because I keep hearing, you know, Trump wants this done, which leads me to believe that he wants a really, really forceful strike.
00:30:10.000It kind of makes me think back to, you know, ISIS, where he unshackled the military to defeat ISIS and they got it done really quick.
00:30:17.000I mean, I think that's kind of where his thinking is at.
00:30:25.000Just breaking, by the way, on Axios, I guess he gave an exclusive interview.
00:30:31.000President Trump says he is close to making a decision.
00:30:34.000Including strikes that would be bigger than the ones carried out during Operation Epic Fury.
00:30:40.000So he's seriously considering restarting major combat operations in Iran and even bigger strikes, right?
00:30:47.000So even though we've continued hitting them, apparently he's got plans that he's very, very seriously considering that could go even further.
00:30:56.000Explain, as I said before, inside the room, which voices are pushing for this, which voices maybe want to see a different route, and what would this larger plan entail in your estimation?
00:31:07.000Well, despite the fact that I've got a lot of friends at the White House and Pentagon, and I'm there often, nobody's sharing too much strategy with me.
00:31:15.000But I think it's a fair estimate right now that it's pretty consistent.
00:31:22.000What we're seeing here with this breaking news is pretty consistent with what I was just speaking about on the earlier segment that I would suspect that these massive attacks would most likely be focused on the coastal provinces.
00:31:38.000Where most of the attacks on shipping, or it's more like molesting attacks on shipping that really threaten and makes the shipping too expensive to underwrite, that slows down the flow of resources through the strait.
00:31:54.000I think we're going to see isolation of those provinces, like cutting off everything or turning the lights out, cutting off rail, bridges, highways, any sort of communication, so that those provinces there are no longer a threat.
00:32:13.000So keep in mind that we've got our two biggest objectives in this whole thing is one, first and foremost, is deny Iran's ability to build a nuclear weapon.
00:32:26.000Now, obviously, reasonable people can argue whether or not the fact that any enriched uranium that's buried beneath a mountain now and full of rubble and all that is completely inaccessible or what.
00:32:39.000And so we can just check that box off.
00:32:42.000And just keep an eye on things and assume that they're not going to try to rebuild.
00:32:46.000And if we have to come back and mow the lawn, we will.
00:33:05.000And keep in mind, like I mentioned, with that mosaic plan that they are executing right now, is, in my estimation, You know, we could wipe Tehran off the map, and very likely it wouldn't change the tactical situation on the ground along the Strait of Hormuz.
00:33:24.000So in addition, I think, to probably taking out more leadership, just as whoever comes next in the seat decides, hey, maybe I like this position.
00:33:35.000And also, hey, I don't want to have a bomb dropped on my head.
00:33:38.000Those people might be more inclined to make a deal.
00:33:41.000However, even if Tehran leadership does make a deal, it's not a guarantee that some of these provinces and local IGC commanders, IRGC commanders on the ground are going to listen.
00:33:54.000Because they've got their standing orders as part of that mosaic plan.
00:33:57.000Say, hey, if command and control is knocked out, don't listen to anything anyone else says, carry out this mission.
00:34:02.000So I think it really comes down less about neutralizing the head of the snake.
00:34:08.000And then really it's like neutering their ability to project any sort of power, even minimal power, such as firing a few rockets or drones at shipping traffic.
00:35:36.000So, you know, the Houthis, I think, for a time, were wisely staying out of this fight, as in, like, we don't want that heat right now, and they cannot sustain the type of punishment that Iran has been taking.
00:35:49.000So, when I learned that, you know, that they were firing at, you know, their mortal enemy, the Saudis, or, well, I guess mortal enemy is really Israel, but, you know, the Saudis and the Yemenis don't get along too well.
00:36:02.000So, when I heard about that, I was rather surprised.
00:36:07.000Uh, so much it would take us a lot less for us to properly punish the Houthis, and a lot of this really just comes down to geography.
00:36:15.000And you know, I mean, look at our mutual good friend Jack Pasovik often loves to point out the map, right?
00:36:21.000Like, map break, and you've got to keep in mind that geography really matters.
00:36:26.000So, where Iran, especially the areas that we're concerned with, is super mountainous, hard to navigate, easy to hide things.
00:36:32.000You know, yes, there are some mountains in Yemen, but it's a lot flatter, and you know, it's uh, they're much more exposed.
00:36:39.000Their power projection capability is a lot lower.
00:36:42.000So I'm willing to bet that somebody in Yemen had their arm twisted or worse into doing this because it's really just a poor decision for them.
00:36:50.000Tom Sauer, former Navy EOD officer, former Navy lieutenant commander, excellent analysis that map break, sort of regional break.
00:37:00.000We haven't covered this as much as maybe our audience would have expected because it's just been this detente.
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00:38:23.000We're going to be talking about something else Congress got passed yesterday, and that was the NDAA.
00:38:30.000And inside of that are some provisions that have caused a lot of controversy.
00:38:35.000And the one that's getting the most attention is section 219, but there's another section, 622, that I actually think I have more issues with.
00:38:44.000And we're going to unpack that with Oren McIntyre right now.
00:39:09.000What this is, is a way in which we can work with each other on different dynamics when it comes to logistics chains, developing of technologies, a lot of integration when it comes to looking at AI, drones, cybersecurity, possibly even things like directed energy weapons.
00:39:26.000This is an agreement that looks a lot like the kind of things we have with other NATO countries.
00:39:31.000The only problem is we're not actually in a technical alliance with Israel.
00:39:35.000We don't have any real documents drawn up that ultimately put us in some kind of defense treaty with Israel.
00:39:43.000And the other half of this is well, we were kind of trying to get out of NATO, right?
00:39:47.000We've been talking about how it isn't great that we're integrated with all these other countries, that they're relying on us for their defense.
00:39:54.000And this looks an awful lot like we're kind of reinstantiating NATO, but only between.
00:40:00.000So it's not anything as hyperbolic as people make it out to be, but it is still, I think, a step in the wrong direction, especially under the area of cybersecurity, because we do know that Israel does spy on the United States.
00:40:11.000Some people justify that and say, hey, every nation is going to do that.
00:40:14.000Some people say, you know, no, that's terrible.
00:40:16.000But either way, I don't think we should be integrating cybersecurity with a nation that ultimately has a record of spying on us.
00:40:22.000I also am strongly of the belief that Machiavelli is right about politics and foreign mercenaries.
00:40:30.000You never should fight a war with other people's troops, other people's technology, because you are not sovereign over them.
00:40:36.000You are dependent on something you do not control.
00:40:39.000And when we are talking about eliminating redundancies like 219 does, what we're really saying is we're going to not make some of these things.
00:40:47.000We're going to give the Israelis the opportunity to build them or work on them, those kind of things, integrate them.
00:40:52.000And so we don't want to be dependent on any Israeli technology, not because they're Israeli, but because we just shouldn't be dependent on anyone else.
00:40:59.000As we learned from COVID, when we didn't produce antibiotics or ventilators, That's not great for us.
00:41:05.000So I think 219 is probably a poor decision, but it's not as distressing as 622.
00:41:14.000So it is separate and has not passed yet because this has not passed the Senate.
00:41:17.000It would most likely end up in reconciliation if both of these were going to move forward.
00:41:22.000And what 622 does is it requires intelligence sharing with Israel unless the president goes to Congress and specifically asks to not have to do that.
00:41:32.000So what it does is it automates all intelligence sharing with the Israelis and it removes the Article II authority of the president to have control of intelligence.
00:41:42.000He has to go back to Congress in order to say, No, I'm going to stop sharing that intelligence.
00:41:47.000Again, I just think that it is bad to have an automatic position where the president does not have control over intelligence agencies.
00:41:53.000And instead, there's more power now in the deep state if this passes to control the flow of intelligence unless the president can literally go to Congress and get approval to do his job.
00:42:03.000Yeah, I think that's all really well stated.
00:42:07.000That second part there, just limiting the president's ability to make decisions on.
00:42:13.000What seems to me a very core national security matter.
00:42:19.000Is there an argument in favor of this?
00:42:21.000Is it one of those things in Congress that sort of got slipped in somewhere along the way and a lot of people don't know what they're voting for?
00:42:28.000Are they making the case for why this is so important?
00:42:30.000I guess, is it probably, I'm thinking of this up on the fly, are they basically worried we'll have a DSA president in the future who tries to shut this down and they want to block that preemptively?
00:42:42.000But what just, how did this come about?
00:42:51.000We're already sharing intelligence on a regular basis.
00:42:54.000And so this just smooths out the process.
00:42:56.000We have five eyes agreements with other nations, and this would create a similar scenario, except for this thing where it inhibits the president from stopping this unless he gets the congressional action.
00:43:06.000I do think that the motivation for both of these is ultimately to kind of remove the Israeli relationship from the democratic process.
00:43:15.000As you said, There's a high possibility that Democrats, and well, frankly, in a decade, maybe even the Republicans would not be huge fans of close integration with Israel.
00:43:24.000And what this does is make that automatic and creates a level of bureaucracy that is hard to overcome in order to stop it.
00:43:31.000And this is where the deep state comes in.
00:43:33.000This is where we get the deep state automating all of these processes, removing them from the constitutional authority that's vested in either the Congress or the president, and instead making sure that the bureaucracies automatically carry out these agendas no matter who gets elected.
00:43:48.000So, I do think there's a little bit of hedging here.
00:43:50.000And this is why I've heard from many people that many people in the White House and the government, Pentagon, they don't really want this.
00:43:57.000They don't need any kind of encouragement to do so.
00:44:00.000So, it feels like the pressure is really coming from the Congress, the legislators, who are interested in locking that position away from presidential authority rather than the president or the current Pentagon looking to make this change.
00:44:16.000And I think you've made some really tremendous points here, Oren.
00:44:21.000And I would just say, I checked with my sources to your last point there with the Department of War, and basically their position is we don't need this.
00:44:30.000We're already working very closely with Israel.
00:44:34.000So, our own Department of War, I mean, I can't underscore that enough, doesn't want this deal.
00:44:39.000Their official position is they're against this.
00:44:42.000The other thing that I think was a really good point to Blake's earlier point was this stripping of Article II power from the president to do what he feels is best.
00:44:53.000You know, inconsequential right now with President Trump in the White House, but it does feel like a hedging for potential future Democrat presidents and ensuring that this sort of alliance stays intact.
00:46:01.000Obviously, from a practical standpoint, but from an optic standpoint, they cannot be perceived as a vassal state of the United States, either domestically or internationally.
00:46:14.000And I think that's really, really critical because these sections could give the impression, even though we said it's overblown, that that is the case, that they are just a vassal state of the United States.
00:46:25.000So for all these reasons and more, I am against both Section 219 and 622.
00:47:14.000I do think that it is probably likely to eventually get passed, but I hope that is not the case.
00:47:20.000And the problem really is the frame that this sets.
00:47:22.000As you noted before we went to break, this is bad for America and Israel.
00:47:27.000This is bad for sovereignty across the board.
00:47:29.000And right now, AOC is out there yelling about 219, saying that it's selling our entire military out to Israel, that it's merging our forces and handing over all our sovereignty.
00:47:39.000And while that's a really big overstatement, ultimately, she gets to make that argument because the right is making bad decisions.
00:47:47.000They're making decisions that don't seem to benefit America first.
00:47:50.000And so, while I think her argument is hyperbolic and those hyperbolic arguments don't help us to understand the nuances of what's actually occurring here, that doesn't mean that then we should reflexively just support the thing because I do think there are very serious problems here.
00:48:05.000Again, we are working from a point of nationalism.
00:48:09.000What I'm hearing more and more from both Israeli nationalists and American nationalists is that it does not benefit either country to be dependent on each other.
00:48:17.000But we both need our sovereignty, we both need our respect, we both need our authority.
00:48:21.000And that can't happen when we're integrating.
00:48:23.000All of our systems at such a close level.
00:48:28.000So, I think for the sake of both nations, we need to encourage our senators to reject this imposition on the president and his authority.
00:48:36.000Like I said, I don't think the White House wants this.
00:48:38.000I don't think the military wants this.
00:48:40.000I think this is just a move by legislators who have some ulterior motives, or perhaps they think they're doing the right thing by protecting an ally through by removing it from the democratic process.
00:48:51.000But ultimately, this is something that is going to read terribly for both the U.S. and Israel.
00:48:55.000In the PR war and in the idea that we're currently involved in this conflict, I just don't think it's wise at this moment to enshrine a relationship that many people are saying we should probably disentangle and allow for sovereignty on both ends.
00:49:08.000Oren, I just talked about this with Charlie often, and I think we're all aware there's a lot of anti Israel sentiment rising on the right.
00:49:17.000There's also just a rise of anti Semitism on the right.
00:49:21.000And what I argued with him is I think a lot of this just comes from.
00:49:27.000And implicit, they're always going to hate them.
00:49:29.000It's that a lot of young people they've grown up and they just feel like they've seen story after story where lawmakers are just literally prioritizing a foreign country or where it feels like, like we're basically our country's being a sucker.
00:49:42.000And I think that if you just dial back that aspect of feeling like we're suckers, they would get over this and they would be fine with having them as an ally in the Middle East.
00:49:51.000But these kind of weird acts where they're creating a relationship that doesn't exist with literally.
00:49:59.000Any other country, it seems, it's what creates a lot of the bad blood.
00:50:05.000I think it's not even often Israeli officials saying anything that's the problem.
00:50:09.000You have politicians, American politicians, saying, I only went into Congress to fight for Israel.
00:50:14.000You have people like Tammy Bruce, as a spokesman for the United States government, saying, Actually, I think America is the best country in the world, except for Israel.
00:50:24.000And I don't think anyone in Israel asked Tammy Bruce to say that.
00:50:27.000But when you have people going out and saying that, you can see why young people look at this and say, This is just not a good relationship to be in.
00:50:34.000I agree that ultimately, what we have to do, what must be done, is we must decouple the government of Israel from the idea of all Jewish people.
00:50:43.000It is not fair to judge all Jewish people by the government of Israel or the government of Israel by Jewish people.
00:50:49.000These are not one in the same, these are not the same category.
00:50:52.000And you can have concerns about a relationship with Israel, you could have concerns with actions of the Israeli government and be fine with Jewish people in the United States and abroad.
00:51:01.000This is just not healthy to have this idea.
00:51:04.000If Americans criticize their government, they're not attacking the American people.
00:51:08.000If someone says, hey, I like Israel, I think it's an ally in many ways, but ultimately there are aspects of this relationship that are unhealthy, that is not anti Semitism.
00:51:18.000That is not an attack on the American people.
00:51:20.000And by the way, Charlie was attacked as an anti Semite for voicing exactly this belief.
00:51:26.000And I think if he has the courage to go out and say the things that he said about that relationship, we should be able to do the same.
00:51:32.000Charlie loved Israel, he loved the Jewish people.
00:51:34.000And no one believed except the worst possible actors who were trying to smear him that some criticism of unhealthy aspects of that relationship is an attack on Jewish people in general.
00:51:45.000I think that just has to be the standard going forward.
00:51:49.000He actually devoted, and to Blake's point, he devoted a ton of energy to making sure there was this sort of third option.
00:51:55.000You're not either for or against, there's multiple, multiple spots in between where you can still be for Israel, for the Jewish people, but be able to point out.
00:52:05.000Legitimate criticisms or have critiques about the arrangement, right?
00:52:10.000I just want to reiterate something here.
00:52:14.000The Department of War is against this section 219 and 622.
00:52:21.000That should tell you everything you need to know.
00:52:23.000We already have a very close working relationship.
00:52:25.000The thing that, as I've been sitting here pondering, Oren, yeah, 622, this intel sharing, mandating it, stripping Article 2 powers from the president, massive, massive poison pill.
00:52:36.000But the other part of it, We've just seen this play out so many times.
00:52:40.000If you give America the option to not develop or manufacture certain aspects, whether it's a chip or it's a piece, a component that goes into a missile or a plane, we will stop doing it.
00:52:53.000What happens when our interests diverge with Israel in the future?
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00:54:23.000See why so many believers are taking a leap of faith?
00:56:16.000On that same vein, in that story with ESPN, you talked about wanting to protect young girls who shouldn't have to go against biological men.
00:56:22.000Can you expand your viewpoint on that?
00:56:57.000They're going after trans people in sports, and they're using this as a wedge issue because we love sports, and we don't want our little girls to be unsafe in sports.
00:57:50.000Who are former or current NBA players just announce that they're women, go down the NBA and just run up the score and just see how big of a blowout we could get.
00:58:01.000I want to see, I'm an accelerationist in this regard.
00:58:03.000I will not rest until five guys dominate the WNBA and bring home a championship.
00:58:08.000And so until I see that, then I'm not going to be satisfied with the woke moment.
00:58:12.000So I'm pretty upset about this because she sounds totally rational and normal.
00:58:17.000And we're all going to have to talk about this because it's a positive for girls, but come on.
00:58:22.000Guys, we could see the biggest blowout in WNBA history if we just take this experiment just one more step further with the appropriation of women's sports by men.
00:58:51.000But in all seriousness, yes, Sophie Gunningham, it's very brave what she said.
00:58:55.000And If you listen to the full explanation, she says it's because I'm protecting girls, and I think girls should have a place where they do well in sports.
00:59:03.000And we've always talked about this as a society that we want girls to be able to be treated equally.
00:59:07.000It doesn't treat them equally if you let men come in and win the sport.
00:59:11.000And she knows she's going to get hatred for this, and she still went out and said it.
01:00:02.000Like the WNBA still can't get its act together and make money.
01:00:05.000It exists at the, you know, because of the largesse of the NBA.
01:00:12.000Well, we should push back on that a little.
01:00:15.000I will say, as much as I dump on the WNBA, I'm not an avid follower like Andrew.
01:00:19.000What I will say is, it is a testament to American greatness and American enthusiasm and how go getter we are that we made women's college basketball a thing a lot of people follow and care about.
01:01:19.000Sophia Cunningham in the NWNBA has been attacked as a MAGA Barbie for saying it's common sense for men to not be in women's sports in locker rooms.
01:01:28.000Is the president following this story?
01:01:32.000As you know, this is something the president feels strongly about as well, and the American people do too, that men should not be playing in women's sports.
01:01:39.000It's completely ludicrous that anyone could support that.
01:01:42.000It's even more ludicrous that you do have Sophia Cunningham, a female athlete herself, very accomplished in her own right.
01:01:49.000Coming forth and speaking that truth that men should play in women's sports.
01:02:16.000And it also is funny how Trump is now just a constant fixture.
01:02:19.000In sports, he got FIFA to change their rules.
01:02:22.000There was a report that after Bryson DeShambo got assessed a two shot penalty at the British Open over the weekend, he wanted to call Trump and get Trump to weigh in over a British golf tournament.
01:02:31.000I mean, it is just, he just looms large over everything.
01:02:57.000He looms so large, and I'm here for it.
01:03:01.000But all that being said, to wrap this up in a nice bow here, gentlemen, the whole thing is ludicrous.
01:03:08.000It makes me sad that we are still dealing with this issue that should have been put to bed a while ago.
01:03:16.000And I just want to reiterate evil never sleeps.
01:03:19.000Woke is not dead, it's just sleeping, it's dormant.
01:03:23.000I shouldn't say it's sleeping because I just said evil never sleeps, but they are going to mount a comeback and they will try and regain territory here.
01:03:31.000The fact that Megan Rapineau goes on there and says that banning men in women's sports is an attack on women, that's how crazy these people are.
01:03:40.000It's completely ludicrous, but Sophie Cunningham is a national treasure.
01:03:44.000I mean, I'm happy there's finally a WNBA story that I can get excited about, as excited as you are, Andrew, all the time, because I know you are deeply excited.
01:04:26.000But I think overall, just to recap, a seriousness aside, her argument, Sophie Cunningham's argument, which is that this protects girls to keep guys out of sports, isn't that the logical one?
01:04:37.000Isn't anyone who refutes that kind of retarded?
01:06:25.000And then you get this interesting clip from, it's a quote from Punchbowl News from Representative James Clyburn of South Carolina, who's obviously a black man.
01:06:33.000He said, I saw a picture that concerned me coming out of Michigan.
01:06:38.000And he's, of course, looking at El Sayed's race there, which is a far left radical Muslim DSA supported candidate for Senate.
01:06:46.000I saw a picture that concerned me coming out of Michigan.
01:07:21.000They're more open to the socialism, outright communism stuff.
01:07:24.000Yet they've also been marinating in race politics for so long.
01:07:30.000If you're on the left, you can't really view your movement as fully legitimate unless you have the right number of brown faces to prove that you're a pan ethnic coalition or that you're not white, basically.
01:07:42.000They all marinate in this, but I do want to push back.
01:07:46.000I don't want us to just say, oh, it's a bunch of spoiled white kids, because then.
01:07:50.000We're practically indulging the same thing.
01:07:52.000And it also, I think it pushes a myth that black, Hispanic, Asian Democrat voters are not going to vote for this if it becomes the new party orthodoxy.
01:08:02.000A lot of the time, the people who back this in big cities, they're just, they're part of the Democrat patronage apparatus.
01:08:09.000They make sure that, oh, every time a Democrat wins, we get a new pay raise for public employees, for, you know, we get all these like union carve outs.
01:08:19.000Like they're all part of this apparatus and they just don't want someone to mess it up.
01:08:22.000And that's usually the biggest reason I think.
01:08:24.000They're not getting on board with like really radical DSA stuff.
01:08:28.000They just think the current system's great.
01:08:30.000They don't want to mess it up too much.
01:08:32.000But it is very revealing of how long the left has been stuck in this race cul-de-sac.
01:08:39.000That when radical ideas pop up, the first thing that comes to mind is: are the people pushing it white or not?
01:08:44.000The best argument against it is: the people pushing it are insane and they're going to destroy America.
01:08:51.000Well, and here's my big problem with this: we talk about El-Sayed, a lot of our audience probably, this is my fault and Blake's fault, sure, but we don't talk about the Republican candidate enough.
01:09:02.000And so, part of this, you know, I do think, you know, people are now saying AOC is probably going to run for president and she's got this great chance to win.
01:09:10.000Part of her notoriety is because she was an easy punching bag for us on the right because she said all of these obscene things.
01:09:18.000El Sayed is saying it, Mamdani is saying it.
01:10:10.000We can do very, very well because we're making that contrast of the high cost of living, poor education, loss of manufacturing jobs under Democrat leadership in Michigan.
01:10:22.000We got to get this guy over the finish line in Michigan, and there are headwinds.
01:10:27.000Alex, this whole thing makes me think of a question for you, and I just want to be very clear.
01:10:32.000I think the rise of DSA is a terrible development for the country, I think it reveals an underlying rot.
01:10:38.000Within the body politic, that these ideas that have been tried historically and failed again and again and again and led to despair, destruction, and death and misery in the 20th century, they're being reimagined, reinvented.
01:10:52.000I think it's a terrible thing, but it does provide a political opportunity, at least in the short run, while enough of us still have our senses about us, to fight this.
01:11:01.000And it could get people like Mike Rogers into the U.S. Senate.
01:11:07.000It is very high stakes, but it does make it so that they're more beatable.
01:11:12.000And we should be historically weak right now, but I don't think we are because their candidates are not charismatic and their ideology is not coherent.
01:11:19.000That they're pro super gay, but they're also pro Islamist now, which is random.
01:11:25.000And they are socialist, but they want to have an open border, which is impossible.
01:11:28.000You can have one or the other, but you can't have both.
01:11:30.000And this racial stuff that Blake is talking about is really important here because it's really about coalition mobilization.
01:11:35.000It's not just about making all politics about race in a DEI sense.
01:11:39.000It's about they know in order to move voters, they move blocks of people by race.
01:11:44.000And Carville is making a claim that the Democrat establishment.
01:11:47.000Is going to keep those races, those blocks of racial voters.
01:11:50.000So it's not just about, oh, this sounds very woke.
01:12:07.000They can be pro Islam, Islamist, and pro LGBT.
01:12:10.000They can be pro open borders and pro socialism because both of those things are things that allow you to destroy America, destroy the things that made it successful for so long.
01:12:20.000It's almost the politics are beside the point.