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00:01:11.000So it looks like this is breaking news right now.
00:01:15.000Kevin McCarthy has begun talks with Democrats about a deal to support a consensus candidate for speaker or hold out from voting to ensure he needs to reach a lower threshold.
00:01:27.000So basically, if that is correct, that means that Kevin McCarthy is trying to broker deals with Democrats to become Speaker of the House, doing a deal with the devil to become Speaker, if the Hills reporting is correct.
00:01:48.000And so there's two ways to interpret that.
00:01:52.000The first way is that Kevin McCarthy is selling us out and is going to become a Democrat speaker.
00:02:00.000Yeah, that is one way to interpret it.
00:02:03.000The other way to interpret it is that there was a deal on the table and you push someone who is purely transactional, which Kevin McCarthy has always been, in the direction to then go get the power that he wants from Democrats.
00:02:21.000We don't know where this is going to end up, but basically the longer that this goes, you are now, the Freedom Caucus, could it be in a place where they are losing power, not gaining power?
00:02:35.000And you might say, well, Kevin just wants to be Speaker.
00:02:37.000He's always just wanted to be Speaker.
00:02:39.000That's been the argument to give the Freedom Caucus more power, more a bigger seat at the table.
00:02:48.000And someone said right here, and this is a good argument, Charlie, this is exactly why we don't trust Kevin McCarthy.
00:02:54.000I mean, I have no counter argument to that.
00:02:55.000Doing a deal with Democrats or doing a deal with the devil, I'm not going to defend that.
00:03:01.000So you might say, well, Charlie, that weakens his position.
00:03:07.000Okay, so it has stayed stable at 20 no votes against McCarthy.
00:03:15.000So newest news as well, Alexandria Casio-Cortez says that she will not rule out working with moderate Republicans to resolve the speaker battle, but would not support Kevin McCarthy, saying that they would need a more consensus candidate and Democrats would need more concessions.
00:03:33.000She says, hey, if we can get on committees and get some chairs, it would be worth it.
00:03:36.000This is where this is now potentially heading.
00:03:40.000If we cannot find a potential Speaker of the House.
00:03:51.000Someone says here, I think Kevin McCarthy is a traitor and a liar to the American people.
00:03:56.000He's not to be trusted and does not have what it takes to stand up to the corruption selling out the American people.
00:04:05.000Charlie, I'm from Fort Myers, and I used to live in Naples.
00:04:09.000Byron Donalds would be a fantastic choice for Speaker.
00:04:12.000He is loved here in Southwest Florida.
00:04:16.000So AOC is potentially saying, as are other Democrats, like, hey, we'll work with moderate Republicans if we can get some chairs on committees.
00:04:27.000This is the one argument against stretching this out too long.
00:05:22.000Are McCarthy's 130, 140 people going to blink?
00:05:26.000How bad does McCarthy want to be Speaker?
00:05:29.000If McCarthy can't do a deal with the Freedom Caucus and make the Congress the most conservative Congress in history, then Kevin McCarthy will go do a deal with Democrats.
00:05:42.000Someone says, Charlie, Kevin McCarthy is a traitor.
00:06:25.000Yeah, there's not much in that tweet, but Jake Sherman basically said McCarthy gained no votes there and things stayed exactly the same.
00:06:35.000So look, politics is how we negotiate the use of power.
00:06:39.000We try to achieve as much as we can within the power that we actually have.
00:06:44.000And we have to face that we're not all powerful.
00:06:47.000So if 50 Democrats now stand up and say this is terrible, I'm not showing up, then McCarthy can get elected Speaker because of the defections.
00:06:55.000If some Republicans leave, then it's possible for Democrats to get the majority if they all stick around.
00:07:00.000If they say, forget it, I'm going home.
00:07:02.000So now we're entering into the test of wills.
00:07:08.000Someone says here, Charlie, why are you putting yourself against the Freedom Caucus but having you email me freedom at CharlieKirk.com?
00:07:15.000I'm actually not against the Freedom Caucus.
00:07:18.000In fact, I think the Freedom Caucus is too moderate because the Freedom Caucus has been sending way too much money, which is a dollar, to Ukraine.
00:08:37.000But long story short, look, over the last couple of days, and I know that some people are frustrated, but this is really how Congress works and functions.
00:08:46.000We have to ensure that the American people are being protected and that we're really going back to what our founders intended this country should be run, right?
00:08:55.000A lot of people are getting disinformation from the media that are saying that apparently there's a possibility that a Democrat could become speaker.
00:09:02.000We're not going to allow that to happen.
00:09:20.000But more importantly, he's someone that people can trust to really move forward and represent, I believe, the true wants of the needs of the American people and really stand against those in DC.
00:09:39.000I've been in meetings all morning and I can tell you that there are people because of how conference has been run in the last couple of hours that have moved to the not being open to Leader McCarthy at all for speaker.
00:09:52.000And unfortunately, regardless of where I am at in my own personal beliefs and positions, I represent only Pinellas County and I'm telling you, I'm fighting for the wants and needs of the people of Pinellas County.
00:10:03.000But as of right now, I'm seeing that Leader McCarthy does not have votes to become the Speaker of the House.
00:10:09.000And then we have Marjorie Taylor Greene.
00:10:18.000Look, as of right now, I think that we're going to continue to stay on the floor until someone makes a motion to adjourn.
00:10:24.000But I do believe that we should stay here and that we should solve this and that it's our job to figure out who should best run this house.
00:10:31.000And I think that it's important that we don't necessarily attack each other based on those preferences, but also realize that this morning I did go in good faith to see where everyone was at.
00:10:42.000And I can tell you that although I'm not a never Kevin person, that unfortunately, because of what's happened within the conference in the last 24 hours even, there's a lot of people that have moved over into that demographic.
00:10:56.000And unfortunately, they will never ever vote for him.
00:11:01.000And so it's putting us in a position where we need to come together.
00:11:04.000We need to discuss this respectfully and then get back to work for the American people.
00:11:09.000So we're going to continue to have these discussions for as long as it takes.
00:11:12.000And, you know, I'm sorry if it's uncomfortable for you guys, but just know that we're doing this in our best faith efforts.
00:11:20.000And also know that we have to make a change now.
00:11:23.000We cannot continue to do the same thing.
00:11:24.000You guys know spending is through the roof.
00:11:26.000Our economies in the whole and we're losing our country.
00:11:28.000And so if we have to take arrows for this, fine.
00:11:32.000You know, I understand some people are frustrated with me for not voting for Kevin, but I'm listening to what my people said and we're going to do.
00:11:41.000And I've talked to thousands of people and I'm not going to be pressured.
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00:15:05.000Well, we just did our fourth round, our fourth ballot, and he didn't have anyone to pick.
00:15:13.000We just had the same group, 20 people, vote for their third speaker candidate, who, by the way, has presented no plan whatsoever, no agenda, hasn't told the American people or our conference what they want to do.
00:15:30.000So again, this is proof that they have no plan, which is my problem all along.
00:15:35.000It's hard to support a secret candidate for speaker because they never want to announce who they're running.
00:15:42.000And then when you find out who the person is, there's nothing presented.
00:15:46.000We have an agenda, and the agenda is to do investigations into Hunter Biden, the Biden administration, impeach Mayorkis.
00:15:56.000Border security, shut down the Sentinel, killing Americans every single day, and to rein in the spending that has inflation out of control, to audit Ukraine.
00:16:07.000That's a resolution I introduced, and we can get it passed.
00:16:10.000We have so many things that we want to do.
00:16:52.000There's an easy path, and that's for the 20 people that have been negotiating with him for months now and bringing to him, you know, and I was in on some of it with the rules package saying we want this, we want that.
00:17:08.000They have gotten what they have wanted.
00:17:10.000What they need to do is act like what real people do in the real world, especially in the business world, is when you make a deal, you take the deal, you take the W, you take the win, and you go out there and get the job done.
00:18:27.000No, that the anti-Kevin votes have not increased at all.
00:18:31.000If anyone was watching on the fourth ballot that we just finished, and I just walked out the House floor to call you, it did not increase.
00:18:40.000We just had one person vote present because it's Victoria Sparks, and she's angry at Kevin McCarthy because of what he said about Ukraine, because he said that under his speakership, we aren't going to be shipping tons of money over Ukraine.
00:18:59.000So Kevin lost the vote because he's not in favor of sending.
00:19:41.000I saw Victoria Sports make a political play to vote present because she's going to run for Senate, but she'll flip back.
00:19:50.000And this is, and if anybody's paying attention, my point I'm making to you is, I have Michael McCall, I have Kevin McCarthy, I have the same people that people don't think support auditing Ukraine.
00:20:03.000I have them supporting my resolution to audit Ukraine, but we can't do anything until we elect Kevin McCarthy as speaker.
00:20:11.000And we have 20 Republicans holding that hostage.
00:20:27.000And if anybody wants to make sure they know what I'm supporting, I'm supporting Kevin McCarthy's public agenda, not something that's been said behind closed doors, his public agenda.
00:20:38.000And if people actually read the public agenda, it's unbelievable to think that the 20 Republicans who are my allies and friends are not supporting it because it's exactly what the base wants.
00:22:20.000Okay, when you have Matt Gates and the rest of the group going out there saying Jim Jordan's going to be speaker, but yet Jim Jordan doesn't want to be speaker, that's lying to the American people, Charlie.
00:22:32.000And I'm not going to support any lying to the American people.
00:22:36.000All I can do is come on your show and keep going out there and telling the truth of what is political reality because we can't live in conservative fantasy land, although I share those same conservative fantasies with the group of 20.
00:22:50.000But I can't, you can't do real work there because it's not real.
00:22:54.000We have political reality and political reality is that Kevin McCarthy just completely held strong and so did the 20.
00:23:03.000So we just have a battle of wills going on right now and we need to talk it out.
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00:25:02.000There is no one in this conference that wants the job more than Kevin McCarthy.
00:25:08.000And let me lay it out right here, okay?
00:25:11.000I am a conservative, and so I'm going to fight every inch of the way, Charlie, to make sure that conservatives are our values, our principles, our ideas, our policies, I'm fighting for those, and I'm going to continue to.
00:25:25.000But here's the truth that people need to understand.
00:25:28.000We have 222 Republican members of Congress.
00:25:31.000We have to get to 218 to pass anything on the House floor.
00:25:37.000Otherwise, it fails and falls flat if we don't have 218.
00:25:40.000That means that all of us, including my friends of the 20 that are fighting against Kevin McCarthy right now, we have so much power in our voting cards.
00:25:52.000So we need to put this fight that's happening right now, we need to put it into real battles.
00:25:58.000And that's creating legislation that is totally demolishing the 87,000 IRS Army, that's using the Holman rule to fire people like Merrick Garland in the Department of Justice and fire more people in the Biden administration.
00:26:14.000The Holman rule allows us to completely cut out their salary and completely get rid of them.
00:26:21.000But we can't do these things until we elect Kevin McCarthy and he's willing to let us do it.
00:26:27.000He's the one bringing the Holman rule back in into our rules package.
00:26:32.000So listen, I'm just telling you, people need to understand we should be fighting on the work that we're doing.
00:26:39.000And that's by getting to 218 and demanding good things be done, not in here fighting over a speaker race, which makes the Republican Party look totally inadequate and not prepared to run the country.
00:26:52.000And we have to prove we can run the country so we can win the White House in 2024 and hopefully take some more Senate seats in the Senate and hold the House.
00:27:59.000He has the full support of many other conservatives.
00:28:01.000And by the way, Freedom Caucus members.
00:28:04.000This is not an official Freedom Caucus position going against Kevin McCarthy.
00:28:09.000It's only a small group of Freedom Caucus that are going against Kevin McCarthy.
00:28:15.000So that's something else that people don't know.
00:28:18.000It's just sad to me that there's not enough information out there for people to truly understand what's really happening in here instead of just thinking that conservative fantasies can come true by just saying, oh, it's Jim Jordan.
00:29:00.000He's chairman and he's leading this fight against Kevin McCarthy.
00:29:04.000And so I'm sick of these people that have done things that are hypocritical, truly hypocritical, and the base would hate them for it and they would be screaming at them for it.
00:29:14.000But the base doesn't know because the only bad, the only person they're hearing being chewed apart is Kevin McCarthy.
00:29:22.000So I'm talking to Freedom Caucus people.
00:29:24.000Sorry to keep you so long here, Marjorie, but this is important.
00:29:26.000We've got tons of viewers right now and people are super curious.
00:29:28.000So we have, we have, I talked to the Freedom Caucus.
00:29:51.000They are proving right now, they are preemptively vacating the chair, and they are proving that you can vacate the chair with just five members because they're doing it right now.
00:30:01.000But I'm sure they can get it down to one.
00:30:03.000They need to go to Kevin McCarthy and negotiate that.
00:30:06.000And that's the kind of talk I want to see happen today.
00:30:11.000And then rules committee, let's take the committees and talk about how committees should be assigned.
00:30:18.000Well, if there are 40, roughly 40 Freedom Caucus members, that's a certain percentage of our conference.
00:30:26.000And so it would be fair to say that that percentage of our conference of 222 should be put on each committee so that we can make sure that it's fairly laid out.
00:30:39.000But do they get to demand to run entire committees?
00:31:16.000I am all in for that because those people need to be held accountable for what they have done and how they have politically persecuted people.
00:32:27.000We've got over 200 people for Kevin McCarthy.
00:32:29.000We got 20 people that just need to come this way.
00:32:33.000And all they have to do is let's finish working out the differences and let's get the game going because it's time to do something, Charlie.
00:32:54.000So the 20 people that are currently objecting to Kevin McCarthy, Eli Crane from Arizona, Ana Paulina Luna, Andy Biggs, Matt Gates, Scott Perry, Paul Gosar, Norman from South Carolina, Ogles from Tennessee, Bob Good from Virginia.
00:33:12.000I think that's Self from Texas, Mary Miller from Illinois, Cloud from Texas, Bobert from Colorado, Bretchen from Oklahoma, Donald's from Florida, Clyde from Georgia, Harris from Maryland, Bishop from North Carolina, Rosendale from Montana, and Chip Roy from Texas.
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00:35:40.000Apparently the Hill has retracted their reporting and has deleted their tweet and deleted the story saying that it was poorly sourced and Kevin McCarthy is not working with Democrats to try and become Speaker of the House.
00:35:58.000So that has been retracted and has been corrected.
00:36:10.000This is really, let me just kind of editorialize on this for a second before we welcome Kurt Schlichter back.
00:36:18.000This here is really not about Kevin McCarthy and it's not even about the Speaker of the House and it's not about the House of Representatives.
00:36:26.000This here has become a culmination point, a proxy war for culminated grievances, pent up injustices of the last many years.
00:36:41.000This here is a volcanic eruption of many years of betrayal, deceit, and arrogance.
00:36:49.000What's happening here is not about Kevin and it's not about Congress.
00:37:13.000Well, you know, I just saw a tweet by Chip Roy who says, hey, this is what it looks like when everybody's here in a seat and we're all debating.
00:37:39.000But look, I think it's good that we're having a fight.
00:37:45.000I just don't think this is the right fight to be having day after day after day.
00:37:50.000I think the rebels are going to have to come out and make very clear exactly here are the specific demands that we have that we want, and then we'll elect Kevin McCarthy if he agrees to them.
00:38:25.000And so I also, my advice to the Freedom Caucus when they called last evening is you guys have to have very clear, if the position is I'm never going to vote for Kevin, then say that.
00:38:36.000Then don't even go through the motions of negotiating, okay?
00:39:05.000I stand in front of 12 people who couldn't figure out a way out of jury duty.
00:39:09.000And I ask them to give my clients millions of dollars, like it says on that wall there.
00:39:13.000You've got to explain things from people because you're bringing them into a new world, whether it's a auto accident or an aircraft crash or the House of Representatives.
00:40:36.000And sometimes the chicken, you know, you crash.
00:40:40.000I think, you know, I think we could take a couple days of this.
00:40:45.000I think after that, we're going to start looking bad and it's going to start running down our brand, not with the very online people, but with normal people, with regular folks.
00:41:23.000And if I were to say something on air to Kevin McCarthy, it's really not about Kevin personally, even though it's manifested into that.
00:41:31.000This is pent up multi-year rage that these members have for good reason because they have seen for quite some time $1.7 trillion omnibus, Ukraine, you know, open southern border, being able to send money to go, you know, secure the border of Tunisia, Oman, Lebanon, and Pakistan, but not a dollar to secure our own border.
00:41:55.000And eventually you go full network and you say, I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.
00:42:01.000But there's a good way to do that, a constructive way, a prudent way.