Join us as we recap all of the drama between President Trump and Elon Musk, and we make a case of why Elon Musk has such difficulty working with government. Also, the Acting ICE Agent, Todd Lyons, joins us to discuss the situation.
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00:02:13.000I was in New York prior, earlier in the week, and hosting the program, pushing for the big, beautiful bill.
00:02:20.000So we had Stephen Miller on the program yesterday, which by the way, Stephen Miller, he's It was phenomenal.
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00:02:37.000Charlie, I went from skeptical to convinced.
00:02:40.000Our entire show team roster, from Andrew to a lot of people said they had reservations, but Stephen Miller's case that he made here on long form was incredibly persuasive.
00:02:53.000As Blake aptly put it, he said, look, this is a conservative wish list.
00:03:37.000So Stephen Miller and I, we were doing this here live on Real America's Voice and live on the Salem Radio Network and live also on X. So we were streaming live on X, and we have no, let's just say, verifiable proof that this is what happened, but we can infer this is what happened.
00:03:55.000As we were doing the case for the Big Beautiful Bill, our viewership numbers skyrocketed.
00:06:22.000Whatever it is, there's something in the masculine form that you go to such great extent and you go to such a thermonuclear level, it almost makes the forgiveness In some ways, more likely.
00:06:39.000Now, as far as the Epstein thing goes, this one, of course, is a bridge too far in some ways.
00:06:44.000I still think that President Trump and Elon are going to reconcile.
00:06:47.000People think I'm nuts for saying this.
00:06:49.000I made the prediction on thought crime yesterday where I said, don't be shocked that before Christmas, all of a sudden there's going to be a report of Elon Musk back at Mar-a-Lago.
00:06:58.000I know that I'm in the minority here, but I think cooler heads are eventually going to prevail.
00:07:04.000And just like we had the Abraham Accords and we're going to solve the Russian-Ukrainian war and that we solved the Indian-Pakistan war and that we're going to solve the Israeli-Hamas situation, I think that there will be peace accords between President Trump and Elon Musk.
00:07:18.000And they will be signed at Mar-a-Lago over two scoops of ice cream and steak.
00:07:24.000I think that there will be the Musk-Trump Accords where they come back together and there will be some reconciliation.
00:07:32.000But as far as the Epstein thing goes, I have to address this.
00:07:34.000Number one, the administration is working to get these files out.
00:07:39.000Apparently there's a ton of graphic child exploitive material that they have to black out in all this.
00:07:44.000But there is no evidence whatsoever that President Trump is mentioned in an incriminating way in the Epstein files.
00:07:50.000Let me just make the most common sense, reasoned argument imaginable.
00:07:54.000Number one, if you actually look at the Epstein files that were released back in February, President Trump was mentioned in a non-incriminating way.
00:08:03.000Like every single person that lived in Palm Beach.
00:08:06.000The idea that President Trump and what Elon Musk was insinuating is that President Trump is, let's just say, a really bad person by saying this.
00:08:17.000Is not only is there no evidence, there's evidence to the contrary.
00:08:21.000He kicked Epstein out of his club at Mar-a-Lago.
00:08:23.000He actively went to war against Epstein for being very, very creepy.
00:08:27.000But let's just kind of put on our thinking cap for a second here.
00:08:31.000Let's just use our reason, a gift given to us by God Almighty.
00:08:35.000You're trying to tell me that the Democrats who controlled the entire federal government were sitting on Donald Trump being in the Epstein files and they decided to dispatch Fannie Willis and Alvin Bragg and Jack Smith to put him in jail for 700 years.
00:08:55.000They decided to dispatch Letitia James to take away his business empire.
00:09:00.000All the while they were sitting on a smoking gun of Donald Trump being in the Epstein files.
00:09:07.000Why wouldn't they have just moved on that?
00:09:11.000So here's Joe Biden and he has Merrick Garland and you have Lisa Monaco and you have this entire flotilla of anti-Trump Democrat activists.
00:09:22.000And all they'd have to do is not go raid Mar-a-Lago.
00:10:20.000Should any of us entertain this salvo from Elon Musk, who I have great respect for and that I'm very thankful for, that Donald Trump is somehow on the Epstein client list?
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00:14:18.000If you think all of a sudden you can move to the middle and that, you know, oh, we're going to start this new political party, do not, and whatever it's worth, It is very unwise to act as if all of a sudden all these people on the left are going to come running back to you.
00:14:39.000You're doing your best to try to separate from that.
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00:14:48.000You still have Doge, and Doge is warmly received and accepted.
00:14:53.000And if I were to offer the best possible, let's just say, One of the brilliances of Elon Musk from building SpaceX to building Tesla is his ability to make decisions at any time, and they are followed.
00:15:41.000We only have three votes in the House, and that includes a lot of moderates.
00:15:45.000And you've got the Salt people, and you've got the Dusty Johnson people, and you've got the moderates.
00:15:49.000And so when you're trying to organize all these different coalitions together, it's a lot different than calling shots at the boring companies saying, I want to make you drill underneath Las Vegas, make it so.
00:16:03.000We are not that form or structure of government, for better and for worse, because sometimes we have to get grinded down by the bureaucracy.
00:16:13.000And so Elon looks at this and he thinks it's incomprehensible that we just can't have the right thing happen immediately all the time.
00:16:22.000Remember the Constitution, the brilliance of it is it spreads out power over time.
00:16:26.000It sometimes annoys us when we're in power because we want to do stuff very quickly, but it's our saving grace when lunatics like Joe Biden or Kamala Harris get in office because it spreads out that power.
00:16:39.000And so Elon, as a very effective, incredibly talented CEO, enters into a political space and he is used to giving orders and they are followed and excellence ensues.
00:16:53.000We want government to get closer to that form, but it's not there.
00:16:58.000Instead, it requires patience, deliberation, prudence, self-discipline, and doing that over long periods of time.
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00:18:42.000What you're seeing is men and women of ICE.
00:18:45.000All over the nation are actually taking public safety threats out of the community.
00:18:49.000I think just some of the press releases you've seen, a lot of the high profile cases we've done, we are actually getting the worst of the worst off the street.
00:18:58.000But not only that, we're actually enforcing immigration laws, which we haven't done for the past four years.
00:19:02.000And I think that's what the American people really wanted.
00:19:06.000They wanted immigration and customs enforcement to be out there enforcing the law.
00:19:11.000And now we're showing that we're a vital part of the law enforcement landscape here in America.
00:19:16.000And morale is great because people now, under President Trump and under the leadership of Secretary Noem, we're actually out there allowed to do our jobs.
00:19:25.000And, you know, big operations like we had in Boston last month, we have large operations going on the West Coast right now.
00:19:32.000Day to day, there's always something going on.
00:19:34.000And I think that you're seeing exactly what the president wanted and what America voted for.
00:19:40.000We're out there doing our job and getting the worst of the worst out of our communities.
00:19:45.000So ICE just broke a nationwide arrest record, 2,368 arrested in a single day.
00:19:53.000If you annualize that, that's a major number.
00:19:55.000How many of those arrests are actually able to be then immediately deported?
00:19:59.000Well, Charlie, we do our best and we focus on the ones that are the worst of the worst and that have executable final orders.
00:20:05.000But we are encountering those millions of gotaways under the Biden administration that have to be processed, that came in here without proper vetting, that we need to go ahead and get them to do process, get them in front of immigration judge.
00:20:16.000So there is a large percentage that we can move right away.
00:20:19.000But unfortunately, there are some that would have to go through the immigration process.
00:20:24.000But, you know, that big number was our largest state number yet, but it's only going to be more.
00:20:29.000Now we're on pace to have those kind of sustained numbers just because we have that whole support of government.
00:20:35.000You know, President Trump was able to get our partners with ATF, FBI, Secret Service, Diplomatic Security Service, pretty much every federal law enforcement agency and so many state and partners across the country that you're going to see more arrests taking place now nationwide.
00:21:29.000So we need that opportunity to hire more agents and offices across the whole spectrum of ICE.
00:21:33.000But that also includes our immigration judges and support staff.
00:21:38.000Not only do we need guns and badges on the street, but we need people behind the scenes that are doing all the clerical work, all the legal work, all the transportation work to move these people.
00:21:48.000On top of that, we really need to work on our transportation program as far as our airframes.
00:21:53.000We need to get more planes in the air.
00:21:55.000We really need to make sure that they're constantly up in the air and moving.
00:21:57.000Not only that, but just constantly having that steady stream of aircraft all around the country.
00:22:02.000So when we say you have a large-scale operation, say, in New England or Minnesota, that we're able to get them to a transportation hub right away and get them out of the country.
00:22:12.000So having all those pieces is important.
00:22:14.000But not only that, having that detention piece is huge.
00:22:18.000Obviously, the attention part of our budget is one of our biggest pieces.
00:22:21.000It's a large portion of our yearly budget.
00:22:30.000So our goal is to, you know, not fill these beds for long, but make sure that we're getting people in there, not being released back on the street.
00:22:38.000You know, we've ended catch and release.
00:22:40.000That's huge and important because now we're able to do that proper rating.
00:22:43.000We're able to make sure that we keep tabs on all these people that have final orders and get them out as quick as possible.
00:22:49.000So I think those are the three main things is the manpower.
00:23:02.000They went through years of telling us that they must cloak their identity, always live anonymously.
00:23:09.000And then secondly, they've never ever talked about Antifa.
00:23:13.000But it's obvious why ICE is wearing masks.
00:23:15.000Because their families and their entire loved ones are doxxed and are threatened by Every single ICE agent who's engaged in this aggressive overreach and are trying to hide their identities from the American people will be unsuccessful in doing that.
00:24:00.000So what Hakeem Jeffries is saying is that we're going to identify them, and then he will throw the paramilitary troops of the Democrat Party, which is Antifa and the purple-haired jihadis, to come after them because they want ICE agents to be doxed or dead or demoralized.
00:24:17.000I would love to have a sit-down conversation with the congressman because – Last administration, not even this one.
00:24:24.000Even when ICE was doing their job under President Biden, I had masked Antifa, drive from another state, show up at my house, threaten my wife and kids at 3 o 'clock in the morning, put my address on telephone poles for six miles, saying that a sex offender lived at my address.
00:24:40.000So I know exactly what the men and women of ICE go through.
00:24:42.000And it's honestly disgusting when an elected official wants to go ahead.
00:24:47.000And make those kind of comments about men and women that are putting their lives on the line every day.
00:24:51.000So I will keep defending them as long as I can with every power that I can because they're the ones that are out there keeping America safe.
00:24:59.000They're the ones that are out there getting the worst out of the worst.
00:25:02.000And I can say definitely for sure in the congressman's jurisdiction, they are taking the worst, the worst out of the community.
00:26:15.000I used to always say it was disheartened by her comments, but now I'm just flat out disgusted.
00:26:20.000One of the big issues is the fact that I actually ran the Boston field office prior to taking this job, and I'm actually from Boston, so I know what the people of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts actually want, and it's not Michelle Wu.
00:26:40.000They want the worst, the worst out of the community.
00:26:42.000I think if you take a look at what the Boston field office has done with that field office director up there and their leadership team, they've done more for the city of Boston, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, than all the elected officials up there.
00:26:54.000So we've made Boston safer, and Michelle Wu has it.
00:26:58.000And for her to actually go ahead and compare us to a neo-Nazi group, like I said, it's disgusting.
00:27:04.000It is the worst thing she could possibly say.
00:27:07.000Because instead of trying to work with us to get the worst and worst out of our community, because, Charlie, if we had more time, I could sit down here and just read all the heinous crimes that we've taken out of Massachusetts, and especially out of Boston.
00:27:20.000And I don't know how she can sit there with a straight face and saying that the Boston Trust Act that limits working with ICE keeps Boston safe.
00:27:29.000when people get released back in the community repeatedly, and you have these heinous stories of child rape, fentanyl distribution, of homicide.
00:27:39.000I was with the team a couple of weeks ago.
00:27:42.000And in East Boston, we actually arrested someone that was an illegal alien that was in contact with ISIS.
00:27:48.000So she needs to explain to me, and I think she needs to explain to everyone what she voted for, exactly what her thought process is on keeping Boston safe by not working with ICE.
00:28:13.000We stood on our values and we fought back.
00:28:19.000Because we saw the federal government try to intimidate us yesterday.
00:28:23.000But we also saw the grassroots resistance.
00:28:27.000We saw residents and elected officials put their bodies on the line and defend the most vulnerable amongst us.
00:28:34.000That is the resistance that we need in this moment.
00:28:37.000Let's continue to stand united as a united front, the only way in which Chicago can, to demonstrate for the rest of the world that when we fight together, Does he think he's Martin Luther King or something?
00:29:02.000Talk about the terrorist enforcement as well.
00:29:04.000Well, Charlie, if you think back, I think the one thing I want to stress to everybody is the fact that we had tens of millions of people that were let into the United States that weren't vetted.
00:29:12.000You go to Boulder, Colorado, here's someone that was an overstay, should have been better vetted.
00:29:17.000Like I said, we just got an Al-Qaeda terrorist in Philadelphia, someone talking ISIS in Boston.
00:29:24.000These are the people that ISIS is focused on and exploited our immigration laws.
00:29:29.000So that's who we need to be focused on.
00:29:35.000But at the same time, elected officials should be thanking us for taking these people out of the communities in the United States.
00:29:40.000Because I don't think anyone they voted for wanted an Al-Qaeda member living next to them in a Philadelphia neighborhood or in a Boston neighborhood.
00:30:53.000We're breaking the nationwide arrest record.
00:30:56.000What is the greatest barrier to getting more arrests and you doing your job?
00:31:03.000What is the greatest need that you have?
00:31:05.000You know, I think one of the greatest needs, Charlie, is first, public awareness, is the fact that, you know, if you're here in the country legally, you broke the law.
00:31:14.000You know, we are always talking about how we're going after the public safety threats, how we're going after the worst of the worst.
00:31:20.000But really, truly, we haven't enforced immigration law for the past four years.
00:31:24.000We have so many people that are here fraudulently, here receiving benefits, here working illegally.
00:31:31.000I think one of our biggest things is now people need to know what the ICE mission is to arrest and detain and remove those people that are here illegally.
00:31:39.000So while we're focusing and working on those worst of the worst.
00:31:42.000You know, like our big thing is worksite enforcement.
00:31:44.000If you think about how many jobs that are stolen from the everyday citizen, but if you just look at the worksite enforcement and the hiring of illegal aliens, it's not just the workforce.
00:31:55.000There are so many other victims behind that.
00:32:05.000So one thing is, too, is we're focusing on those U.S. companies that are just taking away jobs from American people.
00:32:12.000And, you know, they're taking advantage of these illegal aliens who think they are coming here for a better life, yet they're being exploited and being, you know, forced into hard labor.
00:32:21.000So I think, really, once the American public realizes that we are back in business, that we are enforcing immigration law, I think that's going to go a long way.
00:32:32.000You know, obviously, funding and more agents and officers in the field is going to be great.
00:32:36.000But I think, too, We have to get away from all these radical judges and these radical decisions that are just blocking us from doing our job.
00:32:44.000Every day, there's some roadblock put up in our mission to accomplish what President Trump wants.
00:32:51.000If you go ahead and look at our officers that are stuck in Djibouti right now in Africa, they were stuck now on a military base because a judge said we can't lawfully remove people based on laws that have been codified and written by Congress.
00:33:07.000So until we kind of have that legal avenues as well to do our job, we're just not going to be able to do our law enforcement mission.
00:33:43.000I think more people know about the program and take advantage of that, they will.
00:33:49.000However, there are too many politicians and there are too many non-governmental organizations, NGOs that are out there trying to support these illegal aliens, trying to tell them that they belong here, that they have a right to be here, right?
00:34:01.000How many times are we going to lobby in for the Maryland man or an 18-year-old volleyball player in Massachusetts when, in fact, they're here illegally, they don't belong here, and they have overstayed their welcome, and it's time to go ahead and remove people from the The big, beautiful bill is going to give ICE its first personnel increase since its charter right after 9-11.
00:34:33.000I'll tell you that our morale is high.
00:34:39.000It's high for the fact that, like I said earlier, the men and women of ICE signed up for a law enforcement mission and they are allowed to do their jobs.
00:34:46.000And what I'll say is that I think morale is high too because they see their other federal partners coming to the table.
00:34:53.000They see the leadership of President Trump.
00:35:25.000No one is strapped for resources at DEI or EPA or IRS.
00:35:30.000But the only part of the government that seems to have to rub pennies together to make stuff happen is the one that will deport illegals and protect our sovereignty.
00:35:52.000But the one place that we are real fiscal discipline, the place where we are really trying to make sure that we are fiscal hawks is ICE, the most necessary government component that we have right now.
00:36:04.000Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:36:05.000Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:36:08.000Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.