The Charlie Kirk Show - The Debates that Flipped Arizona: Charlie's "Prove Me Wrong" at GCU

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00:01:12.000 Hello.

00:01:13.000 Yeah, okay, so I split my ticket probably around 50-50, voted for Democrats and Republicans.

00:01:19.000 I am pro-choice.

00:01:21.000 I just have a hard time voting for Republicans when their sole issue is being pro-life.

00:01:28.000 I don't know, like, how to articulate it, but what's, like, your, I don't know, like, stance or...

00:01:36.000 What would you say to Republicans that they will die on the hill of, it must be pro-life.

00:01:41.000 There's no pro-choice.

00:01:43.000 It can't be anything but pro-life.

00:01:45.000 And do you think it's worth taking down the whole Republican Party for being pro-life?

00:01:53.000 Wow.

00:01:53.000 Well, you're looking at one, but that's okay.

00:01:55.000 I would look into Margaret Sanger and what she was really about.

00:01:59.000 She's the founder of Planned Parenthood.

00:02:02.000 I think abortions have been a thing before the whole Planned Parenthood. 0.85

00:02:06.000 Well, let's talk about the United States of America, the country that you live in.

00:02:09.000 I do live here, yeah.

00:02:10.000 Okay, well, then you need to look into Margaret Sanger.

00:02:13.000 Look at Project 1916.

00:02:13.000 But I'm not talking just about Planned Parenthood.

00:02:15.000 You are talking about abortion.

00:02:17.000 You are talking about Republicans.

00:02:19.000 I mean, we need to either stand for something or you stand for nothing.

00:02:22.000 If you can't protect human life, I don't know if there's anything more important to stand.

00:02:26.000 I don't think there is.

00:02:28.000 And if you think there is, please tell me.

00:02:29.000 Yeah, and I want to hear you.

00:02:32.000 I'm going to ask you some...

00:02:33.000 Is it okay with you if I ask you a couple very simple questions?

00:02:36.000 Is that okay?

00:02:37.000 Yeah, but I'm just saying, like, I'm not well-versed.

00:02:39.000 That's okay.

00:02:40.000 No, this is as simple as it gets, because you say you're pro-choice, so you've obviously thought a little bit about the topic.

00:02:44.000 Right.

00:02:45.000 When does human life begin?

00:02:48.000 Good question.

00:02:50.000 I would say at conception.

00:02:52.000 Okay, if it's at conception, then shouldn't it be illegal to kill the human life?

00:02:59.000 I don't know, but it's how the circumstances come to the fetus being conceived.

00:03:05.000 Well, okay, so the circumstances.

00:03:07.000 Right.

00:03:07.000 So that's interesting.

00:03:08.000 So less than 1% of all abortions.

00:03:11.000 But I think that's important to talk about those 1% of abortions.

00:03:14.000 Let's get to it.

00:03:14.000 I believe it should be illegal in those, but I want to try to first...

00:03:17.000 I don't.

00:03:17.000 I understand.

00:03:18.000 Okay.

00:03:18.000 But let's work our way up to it, and maybe I can have you think differently about it.

00:03:21.000 Sure.

00:03:22.000 Would you then say we should make the abortions illegal for all the other non-rape, non-incest, non-life of the mother instances?

00:03:29.000 I can't talk to all.

00:03:31.000 Right.

00:03:32.000 But the method of conception at 99.4% of the time is two people that consent to having sex.

00:03:38.000 It's not rape.

00:03:38.000 It's not forced.

00:03:39.000 Okay.

00:03:42.000 What was the question?

00:03:43.000 No, I know, but you said method of...

00:03:44.000 Would you agree that we just keep abortion legal for rape, incest, life of the mother, but illegal if it's just a form of birth control to people that say...

00:03:53.000 No, because I don't think that there's like a social net for these women, these people... 1.00

00:03:59.000 Well, okay, so now it's a different argument.

00:04:01.000 That's okay.

00:04:01.000 So let's extrapolate that, and then I will get to the rape issue.

00:04:05.000 If there is no social safety net, is it okay to murder somebody if you can't afford a child?

00:04:10.000 I don't believe it's murder.

00:04:11.000 But you said it's a human life, so what is it?

00:04:13.000 Again, that was kind of more a yes or no question with the whole contraception.

00:04:18.000 Conception, that's okay.

00:04:19.000 So let me try to win you over on the rape thing. 0.98

00:04:21.000 Sure.

00:04:22.000 I'm open to hearing that.

00:04:24.000 No, for sure.

00:04:24.000 Let's say I have two ultrasounds here.

00:04:26.000 One ultrasound is a baby conceived in rape.

00:04:30.000 I also think it's important.

00:04:31.000 Another ultrasound is a baby that was conceived in a loving couple relationship.

00:04:38.000 Can you tell which one is which?

00:04:39.000 No.

00:04:40.000 Okay. 0.96

00:04:41.000 Somebody in this audience was conceived in rape.

00:04:43.000 Who is it? 0.85

00:04:44.000 You can't tell.

00:04:45.000 Because human rights don't stop just based on the method of your conception.

00:04:49.000 So those of pro-lifers, we believe human rights are universal, granted by God, because we're all image bearers made in the image of God.

00:04:56.000 Therefore, your life should be protected regardless of how you came into the world.

00:05:00.000 Okay, what about...

00:05:02.000 Shouldn't it be up to the woman to choose if she is raped? 1.00

00:05:05.000 Okay, but if it's not your DNA, why is it your choice?

00:05:09.000 Because it's in your body?

00:05:10.000 Got it.

00:05:11.000 So just because it's temporarily inside of you, is that your being?

00:05:14.000 She's caring for it.

00:05:15.000 Got it.

00:05:15.000 So I have a six-month-old son.

00:05:18.000 Should I be able to murder that son? 0.62

00:05:21.000 No. 1.00

00:05:21.000 We're caring for it. 1.00

00:05:22.000 No.

00:05:23.000 So why is it the standard doesn't apply to my six-month-old son?

00:05:27.000 But it would at a six-week baby in utero.

00:05:30.000 I don't know.

00:05:32.000 I just think it should be the woman's choice. 1.00

00:05:34.000 Is it okay?

00:05:36.000 Because the repercussions of the woman who's been raped Again, that's less than 1% of the instances.

00:05:42.000 I still think it's important to talk about because it does occur.

00:05:43.000 No, of course, but I want to make sure, just grant you, so let's say it wasn't a rape situation.

00:05:49.000 But why do we just go to the easy topic, I think?

00:05:52.000 Well, because it's 99.4% of all instances.

00:05:55.000 Exactly, but what about the rape issues?

00:05:56.000 No, no, I agree it should be illegal because a human life is a human life, yes?

00:06:00.000 And so let me just ask one final question.

00:06:02.000 You agree it's a human life in there?

00:06:05.000 It starts human life, yes.

00:06:07.000 Yeah, so shouldn't we give that human rights? 0.91

00:06:11.000 I don't know.

00:06:13.000 I just think we need to know about...

00:06:15.000 Okay.

00:06:17.000 I'm not here to wait.

00:06:25.000 I'm just here to hear an explanation.

00:06:27.000 I just think it shouldn't just be so black and white.

00:06:31.000 Is murder black and white?

00:06:34.000 No. 0.99

00:06:36.000 If I were to put a gun up to Rob's head and pull the trigger, is that black? 1.00

00:06:40.000 If my grandparents went up to a Nazi and shot the Nazi in the back of the head in Nazi Germany, that's coming after their life. 0.99

00:06:48.000 What's the difference? 0.53

00:06:48.000 Hold on a second. 0.53

00:06:49.000 Is an unborn baby in utero an equivalent to a Nazi?

00:06:52.000 No, I never said it was.

00:06:53.000 I don't know why you're trying to make this jump to it. 0.76

00:06:55.000 You just brought up, you're bringing a gun to his head.

00:06:58.000 So I'm just saying that...

00:07:00.000 This should be illegal, yeah?

00:07:01.000 Yeah.

00:07:02.000 But why should this be legal?

00:07:04.000 Are you taking a gun to the fetus in utero?

00:07:07.000 Well, they are taking...

00:07:09.000 You know what happens in an abortion?

00:07:11.000 They break the back of the baby.

00:07:13.000 Is that the same with abortion pills?

00:07:15.000 Well, the abortion pill is actually even more graphic.

00:07:19.000 It actually starves the baby of nutrients and the baby is quivering in pain and trembling for days on end as the progesterone goes down to nothing and the baby is forcibly discharged over a toilet called a chemical abortion.

00:07:32.000 I'm sorry, which weeks?

00:07:34.000 Well, it's between three to ten weeks chemical abortions are legal in all 50 states. 0.94

00:07:41.000 It's called the abortion pill, which is actually more dangerous for women than even surgical abortions. 0.64

00:07:45.000 But I just want to be clear, though, is that should we have a different moral standard for abortion than we do for people outside of the womb?

00:07:55.000 That's a question I need to think about, yeah.

00:07:57.000 Okay, that's good.

00:07:58.000 Because here's our position.

00:08:00.000 Our position is that it's wrong to murder Rob now and also when Rob was five weeks in the womb.

00:08:06.000 Okay.

00:08:06.000 It's always wrong to murder Rob.

00:08:08.000 You're welcome, Rob.

00:08:09.000 Thank you.

00:08:10.000 And by the way...

00:08:10.000 You would have missed Ben Swarmers and Happy Gilmore, too!

00:08:15.000 Let me tell you...

00:08:17.000 Let me tell you why.

00:08:18.000 Because universal human equality doesn't stop based on your size, your level of development, your environment, or your degree of dependency.

00:08:25.000 Yeah, it's just what about the women that want to perform an abortion at home? 1.00

00:08:28.000 That's even worse.

00:08:29.000 Yeah, but it's still going to occur.

00:08:32.000 Why can't they just be safe while they do it?

00:08:32.000 Okay, no, that's an interesting question.

00:08:34.000 If rapes... 1.00

00:08:35.000 Rape is illegal, yes?

00:08:37.000 Yes.

00:08:38.000 But rapes still occur. 1.00

00:08:39.000 Should it still be illegal?

00:08:41.000 Yes.

00:08:42.000 So therefore, that is not the good argument.

00:08:44.000 Just because things will still occur...

00:08:45.000 But why can't we provide them with a safe environment to perform?

00:08:48.000 Because there is no safe abortion because it ends in murder. 0.86

00:08:51.000 For the woman.

00:08:52.000 Well, it's also not safe...

00:08:54.000 For the person carrying the baby.

00:08:54.000 It's also not safe for the woman either.

00:08:56.000 Abortion is very traumatic for the individual.

00:08:58.000 Women are bleeding out at record rates. 0.98

00:09:00.000 Emergency room visits are up nearly 2,000% for a woman with the abortion pill.

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00:10:04.000 Well, no, it's okay.

00:10:05.000 I just want to ask one morally defining issue, which maybe we can find common ground on, okay?

00:10:09.000 And this is not a...

00:10:10.000 Let me ask you a simple question, then a more deeper one.

00:10:13.000 A woman usually says, I'm having a baby, yes? 1.00

00:10:17.000 Okay.

00:10:18.000 Right.

00:10:19.000 Why is it okay that we accept that one woman can say she's having a baby, and another woman can say, clump of cells, I can terminate it? 0.96

00:10:25.000 Why should morality be subjective in that?

00:10:29.000 That it's just the person to decide what the being is?

00:10:32.000 I don't think that deeply about terminology being used to describe...

00:10:37.000 So it's okay.

00:10:38.000 It's not terminology.

00:10:40.000 It's basic fundamental human morality.

00:10:42.000 I don't think it is, no.

00:10:44.000 Okay, so if a mom says I want to murder my adult kids or baby kids, why not?

00:10:50.000 It's her choice. 0.70

00:10:51.000 She's larger.

00:10:52.000 She's dependent.

00:10:53.000 They're dependent on her.

00:10:56.000 Are you asking me a question?

00:10:57.000 Yeah. 0.59

00:10:59.000 So if a mom is a two-year-old, the two-year-old's annoying, why can't she murder that two-year-old? 1.00

00:11:03.000 It's against the law.

00:11:05.000 So shouldn't abortion also be against the law since it's illegal to murder a two-year-old? 0.82

00:11:09.000 No, I don't think so.

00:11:13.000 Okay, final question.

00:11:14.000 A woman finds out she's having a baby with Down syndrome.

00:11:17.000 Should it be legal to abort that baby based on information?

00:11:23.000 Yes, it should be illegal.

00:11:25.000 Oh, yes, it should be illegal?

00:11:26.000 It should be illegal.

00:11:27.000 Okay, good.

00:11:28.000 We agree.

00:11:28.000 A woman finds out she's having a boy, but she wants a girl.

00:11:31.000 I just don't know where we're going with all these hypothetical questions.

00:11:34.000 These aren't hypothetical.

00:11:35.000 Just so you know, in Iceland, it is the law to abort a baby if you find it has Down syndrome.

00:11:40.000 Eastern European countries are sent to insane assignments and the parents never see them ever again.

00:11:45.000 I'm just saying.

00:11:46.000 It's like a norm.

00:11:47.000 These are not hypothetical.

00:11:48.000 These are real situations.

00:11:49.000 So our position is that a human life is a human life regardless of its size.

00:11:54.000 Can you understand where we're coming from?

00:11:55.000 No, I totally get where you're coming from.

00:11:57.000 We have over a million and a half murders a year and we call it health care.

00:12:04.000 Thank you for your time.

00:12:07.000 Are you a Christian, by the way?

00:12:08.000 No.

00:12:09.000 Okay, I can tell.

00:12:09.000 Thank you very much.

00:12:10.000 Hi there, Charlie.

00:12:19.000 As a Ukrainian-American, I'm really concerned in Trump's plan and how he's going to address the conflict.

00:12:25.000 So would you like to tell me, enlighten me, what his overall argument is?

00:12:28.000 On Ukraine?

00:12:29.000 Yes, correct.

00:12:29.000 I can go very deep on this if you'd like.

00:12:32.000 I would just like to say in general.

00:12:33.000 I talked a lot previously, so yeah.

00:12:34.000 In general, I just want to say that the Ukraine war needs to end.

00:12:37.000 And in any divorce, you're not going to get everything in Ukraine that you want, and neither is Russia. 0.51

00:12:41.000 But we can't continue the slaughter.

00:12:43.000 We can no longer afford to continue the slaughter.

00:12:45.000 As people are stressed about the election, in Ukraine, people are stressed about, are they going to live until the end of the day?

00:12:52.000 Are they going to be able to make it to go shopping?

00:12:53.000 Are they going to have food?

00:12:54.000 And my grandmother is from Ukraine.

00:12:57.000 I want the Ukraine war to end.

00:12:59.000 And I want it.

00:13:00.000 And it's not going to be perfect.

00:13:01.000 And you're not going to get everything you want.

00:13:03.000 But to continue the slaughter, while Congress people can profit off it by investing in...

00:13:09.000 And Biden said, we're not giving the money to Ukraine.

00:13:11.000 It's just going down the street to a military-industrial complex.

00:13:13.000 That is not okay.

00:13:14.000 We need to end that war. 0.97

00:13:16.000 And I'm sorry if Ukraine's not going to get everything they want.

00:13:19.000 We can no longer continue the slaughter.

00:13:22.000 And all I pray that when Trump becomes president, the first thing he does is we come to a peaceful agreement.

00:13:30.000 There's not going to be everything that you want.

00:13:32.000 It's not going to be perfect for Ukraine.

00:13:34.000 It's not going to be perfect for Russia.

00:13:35.000 But the slaughter, the needless slaughter needs to end.

00:13:39.000 Yeah, so there was a peace deal on the table five days into the war that the Biden administration rejected that would have been half of the land that Russia currently controls.

00:13:46.000 Half of it.

00:13:47.000 And Biden torpedoed that. 0.98

00:13:49.000 Yeah, and because of that, hundreds of thousands of people have died, as you well know, tens of thousands of military-age men.

00:13:55.000 So we should end the war. 0.57

00:13:56.000 Russia's going to get basically all the Donbass. 0.84

00:13:58.000 They would have gotten half of it if we would have accepted those terms.

00:14:01.000 And, yeah, look, Ukraine is not a good ally of ours. 0.74

00:14:03.000 They're a super corrupt country.

00:14:04.000 The Ukrainian people are great. 0.99

00:14:06.000 Zelensky is awful. 0.73

00:14:07.000 And Putin should not be an enemy of the United States.

00:14:09.000 And I will just say what Obama said was he said that Ukraine is not a national security interest of the United States when he was president.

00:14:17.000 And I would agree with that.

00:14:18.000 But at the same time, we know it's a human...

00:14:21.000 It's also a human rights issue, and the human rights are the needless slaughter of those people there. 0.59

00:14:26.000 It's a very corrupt country.

00:14:28.000 And finally, I mean, Trump, under Bush, Putin took parts of Georgia.

00:14:33.000 Under Obama, he took Crimea.

00:14:35.000 Under Biden, he took the Donbass.

00:14:37.000 Under Trump, he did nothing.

00:14:38.000 Because Trump exhibited peace through strength and reopened diplomatic channels, and he'll do it again.

00:14:44.000 Okay.

00:14:45.000 Do you think it's kind of like slapping a Band-Aid on a bigger issue, though?

00:14:48.000 Because if you're just giving Donbass in the eastern regions, there's no guarantee they won't do it again and just take more of the piece of the pie that they want. 0.90

00:14:55.000 Well, again, why didn't they do that when Trump was president?

00:14:57.000 Well, that's what he decided not to do at that given time.

00:15:00.000 I don't know why.

00:15:00.000 We have to take a risk of peace.

00:15:03.000 We must take a risk of peace.

00:15:04.000 I would just say for people who don't understand that Ukraine, NATO was never supposed to be allowed to be in Ukraine.

00:15:10.000 And they just kept pushing and pushing and pushing.

00:15:12.000 Under Frank Baker, what they were, the Bush won.

00:15:16.000 His administration, when they talked to Gorbachev, he says, not 10 feet past Poland.

00:15:20.000 In other words, we are not going to push NATO up.

00:15:23.000 Can you imagine what's happening for Russia?

00:15:26.000 If China had missiles in Mexico pointing towards Texas, how long would those last there?

00:15:32.000 About 45 minutes.

00:15:34.000 And yet, so Russia has a right as well as a country that has the same GDP as Texas, by the way, and more nuclear weapons than anybody else.

00:15:41.000 We do not want to push Russia to where what this Secretary Blinken wanted to do was to have missiles, American missiles, launch deep into Russia.

00:15:50.000 I do not want any of you here in this have to go to war over there.

00:15:54.000 I will do everything in my power to make sure that we don't do that.

00:15:58.000 And that includes not doing everything I can, being here today, to make sure that Kamala Harris does not get into office to push those things to happen.

00:16:06.000 Because we are very much in danger of expanding that war.

00:16:09.000 So we should please, I beg you, to consider not voting for Kamala Harris.

00:16:15.000 Thank you very much.

00:16:16.000 Appreciate it.

00:16:16.000 Thank you.

00:16:17.000 How are you doing?

00:16:18.000 Yeah.

00:16:20.000 Alright, so I'm just wondering, with the abortion, right, I would say life is, or you're considered to be alive when you get your birth certificate.

00:16:27.000 Yes or no?

00:16:28.000 No.

00:16:29.000 That's when you're born.

00:16:31.000 That's why it's called a birth certificate, not a life certificate.

00:16:33.000 Why don't we get it before that then?

00:16:34.000 I'm trying to have a respectful conversation with you.

00:16:36.000 Well, because you're not born, because you're still attached to an umbilical cord, but you're breathing, you have a heartbeat, fingerprint, DNA, you can hear sounds, you have sensory emotions.

00:16:44.000 You're alive, you're just not born.

00:16:46.000 That's why it's called a birthday, not a life day.

00:16:48.000 So God gives you...

00:16:50.000 It's from God.

00:16:51.000 It's a gift from God.

00:16:51.000 Your life is not from the state.

00:16:53.000 And that's the problem with this administration, I believe.

00:16:56.000 Yeah, and so are you a Christian?

00:16:57.000 Yes, no, maybe.

00:16:58.000 It's okay.

00:16:59.000 So those that are Christian understand Jesus leapt in the womb of Mother Mary when heard John the Baptist's voice and Elizabeth's voice.

00:17:06.000 Was Jesus alive when he was in Mary's womb? 0.60

00:17:07.000 Of course he was.

00:17:08.000 Right?

00:17:09.000 That's in Luke 1.

00:17:10.000 And so it's like Jesus didn't magically become alive because a baby leaps in a womb once you're born.

00:17:14.000 So...

00:17:15.000 Your birth certificate is when you're born, not when your date of conception or when you came into this world started.

00:17:20.000 So you would say life is considered at, what, nine weeks?

00:17:23.000 No, no, no, conception.

00:17:24.000 Do you know what conception is?

00:17:26.000 I do.

00:17:26.000 What is conception?

00:17:28.000 Well, having sex, and then the baby's in. 0.74

00:17:30.000 Well, no, not necessarily.

00:17:31.000 It's when the egg is fertilized.

00:17:33.000 Yeah, it's when the egg is fertilized and attaches to the uterine wall.

00:17:35.000 Look it up online.

00:17:36.000 There's a flash of light in a human baby.

00:17:38.000 It's very unique.

00:17:39.000 Okay.

00:17:39.000 You see the human...

00:17:40.000 It's a flash of light.

00:17:41.000 That same flash of light also went through when Christ...

00:17:45.000 Rose again from the dead.

00:17:46.000 That flash of light is on the Shroud of Turin.

00:17:48.000 That's the receipt of Jesus Christ's sacrifice for all of us, for all of our sins, for all eternity.

00:17:54.000 Let me tell you why.

00:17:54.000 So everything from your skin color to your hair color to your height to your likes, your wants, your interests, your tastes, your desires, whether you're an introvert, extrovert, all started at conception.

00:18:05.000 You know why?

00:18:05.000 It's your DNA. Your DNA is formed.

00:18:08.000 You are not your mom.

00:18:09.000 You're not your dad.

00:18:10.000 You're a whole new being.

00:18:11.000 And so science has proved this over a course of time that that is your starting point.

00:18:15.000 Does that make sense?

00:18:17.000 Okay, so with the baby with Down syndrome, if the mother receives that information and she will not be able to afford that child any longer...

00:18:30.000 You don't think abortion should be allowed to happen at that point?

00:18:33.000 No, I mean, we have social safety nets.

00:18:34.000 You could also put the baby up for adoption.

00:18:36.000 Okay, but then you look at all the children still in foster care.

00:18:40.000 Yes, it's a separate topic, though.

00:18:43.000 But it's a related topic, because that's where it comes from.

00:18:46.000 It's separate.

00:18:47.000 We don't believe murder is ever necessary.

00:18:50.000 Period.

00:18:50.000 I think that's why we go to war, because we fight for it.

00:18:53.000 Well, murder and killing are two different things.

00:18:57.000 Okay, outright murder, yeah.

00:18:58.000 Right?

00:18:58.000 So, the Bible has a different word for murder and a different word for killing.

00:19:01.000 So, for example, the Ten Commandments, it says, Thou shalt not murder, not thou shalt not kill.

00:19:05.000 Those are two different terms in Hebrew, yeah?

00:19:08.000 And so, for example, if you're in your dorm room and some guy breaks into your dorm room trying to kill you, do you have the moral right to defend yourself?

00:19:15.000 Of course you do.

00:19:16.000 That's not murder, though.

00:19:17.000 Murder is premeditatively going to Rob, who's defenseless and, you know, not able to defend himself and then taking his life.

00:19:24.000 Does that make sense?

00:19:25.000 It does.

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00:20:26.000 balanceofnature.com promo code CHARLIE. I'd also want to bring up the issue with the trends in schools, taking that completely out of there, because we're bringing it to the extent of religion.

00:20:39.000 We don't allow religion in school. 0.96

00:20:40.000 To that extent, I do think children should be allowed to have that knowledge on if they want to transition on what they want to do.

00:20:48.000 Children, let me just tell you, if my child, if I have a boy and he thinks he's a pirate, do I have the right to cut off his knee and take an eye out and give him an eye patch?

00:20:56.000 I think once it gets to that certain point.

00:20:58.000 A certain point?

00:20:58.000 Like, what's the point where I can cut off my son's knee and say, because he thinks he's a pirate?

00:21:03.000 What point is that?

00:21:04.000 I think that's purely between a parent and a child.

00:21:07.000 Well, I don't think a parent should be allowed to do that.

00:21:09.000 If you try to do that, if I take my son over to the hospital and say, can you take off his leg, please?

00:21:14.000 And if they do that, then they should lose their license to operate as a hospital.

00:21:18.000 That's what I believe.

00:21:19.000 I agree, but taking him to a pirate is an extent.

00:21:22.000 They don't feel comfortable in their skin.

00:21:23.000 They don't feel comfortable in their skin.

00:21:24.000 Hold on.

00:21:26.000 I'm sorry.

00:21:26.000 You want to go, Rob?

00:21:27.000 Okay.

00:21:28.000 A couple things. 0.97

00:21:29.000 Number one, it's actually a perfect analogy he's using because they're chopping off the breasts of these young girls. 0.99

00:21:34.000 Number two, there's something called the CAS study.

00:21:36.000 You should read it.

00:21:37.000 You know that they've gotten rid of gender-affirming care and surgery all across Europe because the data shows it actually doesn't help the kids and kids regret doing the transition.

00:21:44.000 No, only one to three percent actually regret making...

00:21:46.000 No, it's the Cass Report.

00:21:47.000 You're incorrect.

00:21:48.000 The Cass Report said it was over 80 percent show regret.

00:21:51.000 In fact, that's why the United Kingdom, which is more liberal than us, have outlawed it completely.

00:21:55.000 And so instead...

00:21:56.000 So what is the Cass Report?

00:21:57.000 It's called the Cass Report.

00:21:58.000 It was a bipartisan United Kingdom medical report that is now spread across Europe, where gender-affirming care for minors is now illegal in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, United Kingdom.

00:22:08.000 It's almost there in France.

00:22:09.000 It's illegal in Belgium.

00:22:10.000 We're the only country that does it.

00:22:12.000 And so let me just ask a really simple question.

00:22:14.000 Do you think that if you are 16 years old, you could feel something that you might not feel when you're 20?

00:22:18.000 Okay, yes.

00:22:19.000 You say simple question to everything you ask, and none of them are simple questions.

00:22:23.000 No, you're making it complicated because you haven't...

00:22:27.000 I don't know.

00:22:28.000 These are incredibly simple.

00:22:29.000 You change every second.

00:22:30.000 So you might not feel the same way at 20 as you did at 16.

00:22:33.000 No, yeah.

00:22:33.000 If you change every second, then why should we do something irreversible to a 16-year-old?

00:22:36.000 That's how they're thinking, that's how they feel.

00:22:38.000 Let me just tell you, you know what these drugs are, puberty blockers?

00:22:41.000 You know what that is?

00:22:42.000 TRT. Okay, puberty blockers are repurposed castration drugs.

00:22:45.000 And when you take a puberty blocker, you will never have a chance to have sexual satisfaction your entire life.

00:22:53.000 You will get this thing, if you take it at 13, you will get this thing called a micropenis.

00:22:59.000 You guys laugh, but it's legal in this state.

00:23:02.000 And they are doing it.

00:23:03.000 And I'm telling you, it is the biggest child abuse in my lifetime.

00:23:06.000 And this needs to stop.

00:23:07.000 And this is the only country that's still doing it.

00:23:10.000 The CAST report looked this up.

00:23:12.000 Even the New York Times last week.

00:23:15.000 The New York Times said last week that they tried to suppress this information to come out because they didn't want it to affect these surgical transitions of kids.

00:23:26.000 And let me tell you, if they're 18, you can do whatever you want with your body.

00:23:29.000 But if you're 14, you do not have that right, and your parents do not have that right.

00:23:35.000 You should have the option to go be educated and then still go and make the choice that you want to make.

00:23:40.000 Okay, not at 14.

00:23:42.000 At 14, you shouldn't be able to do that.

00:23:44.000 I'm sorry.

00:23:44.000 At 14, can you get a tattoo legally in the state of Arizona?

00:23:48.000 No.

00:23:49.000 No.

00:23:49.000 Your parents, even if they sign for it, you can't.

00:23:52.000 Can you get a gun and get a gun license?

00:23:54.000 Can you join the army?

00:23:55.000 Can you drink alcohol?

00:23:56.000 You drive.

00:23:57.000 Can you?

00:23:57.000 Can you drive?

00:23:58.000 No.

00:23:58.000 Why?

00:23:58.000 Because you're not a good decision maker at 14.

00:24:00.000 Let me just tell you, the people in the audience, this affects you.

00:24:05.000 If you are under 25 years old, they don't even let you rent a car in this state.

00:24:12.000 What does Avis, Enterprise, and Hertz know that the medical establishment and the Democrats seem so blissfully ignorant about?

00:24:20.000 You are not a good decision maker at 14.

00:24:22.000 You turn 18, you cut off any part you want. 0.75

00:24:25.000 And I hope that you don't.

00:24:26.000 But if you want to, and if you want a micropenis at that age, go for it.

00:24:30.000 I agree.

00:24:31.000 Last question, though.

00:24:33.000 It ties in, because I think it's important.

00:24:35.000 What is a woman? 1.00

00:24:37.000 I am not a woman, so I'm not going to answer that question.

00:24:40.000 Yeah, but you know what a woman is. 1.00

00:24:43.000 You know what a woman is. 1.00

00:24:44.000 A woman is made up of a vagina... 1.00

00:24:49.000 Your body part is defying your gender. 1.00

00:24:51.000 We got someone coming.

00:24:53.000 If you guys are feeling lightheaded, get water and stay out of the sun.

00:24:56.000 I'm not attacking you.

00:24:58.000 I just want you to think about this, okay?

00:25:00.000 I am thinking about it.

00:25:00.000 I came to your thing on the other day.

00:25:03.000 I know.

00:25:03.000 You're the one who yelled out.

00:25:04.000 I respect you for that.

00:25:05.000 I respect you, but I would just say that...

00:25:08.000 And you said to me, you yelled out the other night, and thank you for that, but you said, like, it's none of your business.

00:25:12.000 What business is it of yours?

00:25:13.000 Well, if you see somebody choking in a sandwich, what business is it of yours to give them a Heimlich?

00:25:18.000 Is it our business to care about that passing out person?

00:25:21.000 Is it our business to tend for that?

00:25:24.000 That's the choice you're going to make.

00:25:25.000 You're an adult.

00:25:25.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:25:26.000 That's not loving.

00:25:27.000 It's loving to help and want to help out all your...

00:25:29.000 Are you loving when you let the mother die because she is about to die because she can't get an abortion? 0.78

00:25:33.000 Well, hold on.

00:25:33.000 That doesn't happen.

00:25:34.000 No, it does not.

00:25:36.000 It's called a septujectomy.

00:25:37.000 It does not happen.

00:25:38.000 How many times does it happen a year?

00:25:39.000 I don't know.

00:25:40.000 Yeah, under 30.

00:25:41.000 Okay, so you have 1.6 million abortions. 0.99

00:25:43.000 But under 30, that still happens.

00:25:44.000 It does not.

00:25:45.000 Again, it's perfectly legal in all 50 states you're being lied to by the abortion industry.

00:25:49.000 And it's a complete red herring, okay? 0.59

00:25:51.000 We're talking about something that's happening to hundreds of thousands of kids every single year.

00:25:54.000 Okay.

00:25:55.000 Transition? 0.78

00:25:56.000 Yes, hundreds of thousands of kids are receiving hormone blockers, testosterone replacement therapy, chemical castration drugs.

00:26:01.000 Okay, my brother, who is not my sister, is one of them.

00:26:05.000 Yeah, I'm sorry that you're...

00:26:06.000 I wouldn't be sorry.

00:26:07.000 I'm sorry your brother is butchering himself.

00:26:09.000 Because you know why?

00:26:10.000 The data and the stories show us that there's great regret.

00:26:13.000 So let me ask you, do you think...

00:26:14.000 Okay, but hold on, hold on.

00:26:16.000 Let me tell you one thing.

00:26:16.000 Do you think transgenderism is a brain issue or a body issue?

00:26:20.000 Both.

00:26:20.000 Wait, hold on.

00:26:21.000 Shouldn't we treat the brain, not the body?

00:26:24.000 I agree.

00:26:24.000 So then why do we give drugs that make all of a sudden your hormones disrupted?

00:26:28.000 Shouldn't we find out the root cause if there's something else going on?

00:26:31.000 Okay, but you can change.

00:26:32.000 If you end up changing your body, most of the time it does end up changing your brain.

00:26:34.000 Why do people work out? 1.00

00:26:37.000 You don't work out to chop your penis off. 1.00

00:26:41.000 Obviously, chopping your penis off is a drastic change. 1.00

00:26:44.000 Let me say, I don't believe, as a Christian, I don't believe that God ever... 1.00

00:26:50.000 Nobody ever makes a wrong person.

00:26:53.000 I don't believe that anybody's ever born in the wrong body.

00:26:55.000 I don't believe that.

00:26:56.000 But God bless you and I wish you the best and for your brother.

00:26:59.000 Lots of love.

00:26:59.000 My sister.

00:27:00.000 Please respect my sister.

00:27:01.000 Your brother.

00:27:01.000 Thank you very much.

00:27:02.000 I respect you.

00:27:03.000 I respect you.

00:27:04.000 I will not honor that witchcraft. 0.98

00:27:06.000 Thank you very much. 0.75

00:27:07.000 Okay, so my sister has been, and does not know, right, has not known, but since I've known her my whole life, always been gay, little fruity, whatever you want to call it, right?

00:27:18.000 Gay is something different, though. 0.69

00:27:20.000 Gay is different. 0.88

00:27:21.000 Whatever you want to call it.

00:27:22.000 Whatever you want to call it.

00:27:23.000 They have not known how they feel, how they want to feel, who they want to be.

00:27:27.000 Does your brother have other issues, depression, schizophrenia, bipolar issues?

00:27:32.000 I would say depression.

00:27:34.000 Yeah, so that's the thing.

00:27:34.000 You will never find a trans individual that does not have other underlying undiagnosed, untreated mental health issues.

00:27:41.000 Instead, we take the lowest, the furthest possible extrapolation.

00:27:44.000 It's like if I say I have a fever, you don't know if my appendix births, I have COVID, the flu, or a cold.

00:27:48.000 But we have tried things.

00:27:50.000 We've tried therapy.

00:27:50.000 We've tried everything you're talking about.

00:27:52.000 Have you tried watchful waiting?

00:27:53.000 Have you tried Dr.

00:27:54.000 Miriam Grossman?

00:27:55.000 Have you tried...

00:27:56.000 Do you know what watchful waiting is?

00:27:58.000 I don't.

00:27:58.000 I understand what they're saying.

00:28:00.000 Watchful waiting is the most proven way to be able to break someone free of the transgenderism curse, basically. 1.00

00:28:06.000 Which is where you're getting the regret from?

00:28:07.000 No, it's not.

00:28:09.000 It's where you go through.

00:28:09.000 You know what cognitive behavioral therapy is?

00:28:11.000 So here's the problem.

00:28:13.000 Psychology today is about affirming someone's gender dysphoria.

00:28:16.000 We should be not about affirming the dysphoria, but bringing them back into alignment with the biology that God gave them. 0.65

00:28:22.000 So then would you be against all these fat women with body positivity? 1.00

00:28:25.000 100% I'm against body positivity. 0.96

00:28:26.000 I think it's much of nonsense.

00:28:28.000 I agree.

00:28:29.000 Okay.

00:28:30.000 Thank you very much.

00:28:31.000 We've got the next question.

00:28:32.000 Thank you. 0.94

00:28:33.000 What's happening is they're taking people who are gay and they're butchering them before they have a chance to figure out what their sexuality... 0.98

00:28:40.000 Or who wants to come on up. 0.98

00:28:40.000 Let's have somebody else. 0.98

00:28:41.000 God bless you.

00:28:42.000 I wish you the best, okay?

00:28:43.000 Yes, sir.

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00:29:45.000 What's your name?

00:29:47.000 My name is Jaden.

00:29:49.000 Nice to meet you, Jaden.

00:29:50.000 And I'm Sophie.

00:29:51.000 And Sophie.

00:29:51.000 If you guys talk, talk to the mic.

00:29:52.000 Thank you for being here.

00:29:53.000 And please be respectful, guys, okay?

00:29:55.000 Everybody be respectful.

00:29:57.000 Thank you for that.

00:29:58.000 Yeah, thank you.

00:29:58.000 I'm sorry if this was already asked before, but my question is, what are your views on gay marriage?

00:30:04.000 I'm against.

00:30:05.000 But it doesn't matter what Charlie Kirk believes.

00:30:07.000 My faith and the word of God is against homosexual marriage. 1.00

00:30:11.000 Well, you know, gay marriage, if they want to be just as miserable as me, I think it's all... 1.00

00:30:16.000 No, it's a joke. 0.90

00:30:18.000 I believe in the freest country in the history of the world, I believe that we want to not exclude anybody from exercising their rights as long as it doesn't harm other people.

00:30:29.000 Now, the law of the land is that.

00:30:31.000 I mean, it used to be, as far as gay rights, there used to be laws discriminated against people because of their sexual orientation.

00:30:39.000 That was wrong, and I don't believe that that should have happened.

00:30:42.000 And because of people who fight, like the gays, my friends of mine, who are the liberal gays, and I would say that it's important that they fought for those things.

00:30:53.000 What's happening is there are people that are trying to join your community that don't have the best interests of your community in mind, and that those gains that were had are going to be under threat.

00:31:03.000 Because I don't believe that there are good faith actors that are trying to join your community.

00:31:06.000 And I would just be careful of that, and I would warn that.

00:31:09.000 But yeah, absolutely.

00:31:12.000 Yes, any other questions?

00:31:13.000 And thank you for coming out here.

00:31:15.000 Do you believe that homosexual attraction is natural? 1.00

00:31:18.000 You want me to answer that, or Rob?

00:31:20.000 Either.

00:31:21.000 It doesn't matter.

00:31:22.000 It's a behavior.

00:31:24.000 And so, for example, the position we have is that there are a lot of sins people will be tempted with and deal with.

00:31:31.000 The sin of adultery, the sin of gambling, the sin of stealing, the sin of lying.

00:31:36.000 But why is it that the one sin of homosexuality is allowed to be considered an identity?

00:31:41.000 Have you considered that that part of the Bible was mistranslated?

00:31:44.000 Well, so which part in particular?

00:31:45.000 Sodom and Gomorrah?

00:31:47.000 Was Sodom and Gomorrah mistranslated?

00:31:50.000 I'm actually not sure on that part, but I do know that...

00:31:52.000 Or Leviticus 19 and Leviticus 21.

00:31:54.000 Yes, that bit was mistranslated.

00:31:54.000 Okay, so go back to the original Hebrew.

00:31:56.000 What exactly is wrong with...

00:31:58.000 The verse is, to be perfectly clear, an adam, man, shall not lie, and that is in the active form of Hebrew, with another man, the way that you lie with a woman.

00:32:06.000 What is mistranslated about the original Hebrew?

00:32:08.000 The word man, the second use of it.

00:32:10.000 It's adam, which is the same word used in Genesis 1.

00:32:13.000 No, it is used differently.

00:32:14.000 They use the word that also translates to little boy, which means that it is about pedophilia and not, in fact, about homosexuality.

00:32:21.000 So if that is correct, why is that prohibition repeated in Titus, Romans, and reaffirmed all throughout the New Testament?

00:32:29.000 It's entirely possible that the mistranslators also mistranslated those.

00:32:32.000 Okay, so the mistranslators screwed up original Hebrew and also Koine Greek?

00:32:37.000 Yes.

00:32:38.000 Okay, that sounds like quite a conspiracy.

00:32:40.000 So if homosexuality is permissible in the eyes of God, why did God destroy a city over it? 1.00

00:32:47.000 Unknown.

00:32:47.000 But I do know that penguins are also exhibiting homosexuality and other animals, so therefore it is natural.

00:32:56.000 Hey, hey, hey.

00:32:57.000 Okay, so...

00:32:59.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:33:04.000 That's a new one.

00:33:06.000 Hey, listen, you didn't think you were going to hear that today, did you?

00:33:10.000 So let's be respectful here.

00:33:12.000 Jesus in Matthew 10 or 11 says that a man shall leave his father and cling to his wife, standing up the standard of biblical marriage, as we know, and reaffirmed throughout Paul and the New Testament authors.

00:33:27.000 Can you give me a single verse where homosexual activity is allowed or at least set as a standard that is permissible in the Bible?

00:33:36.000 I'm not a theology student.

00:33:37.000 Fair enough.

00:33:38.000 And that's okay.

00:33:39.000 I am a computer science teacher.

00:33:40.000 Fair enough.

00:33:40.000 But it does not exist.

00:33:42.000 Now, I want to be clear.

00:33:43.000 I don't think less of either. 0.85

00:33:45.000 I don't know if you're part, you know, the gay. 1.00

00:33:47.000 I don't know. 0.91

00:33:47.000 I don't want to. 0.91

00:33:48.000 You have the flag, so I don't know.

00:33:50.000 But I want to be very clear, though.

00:33:52.000 I want to be clear, too.

00:33:53.000 We are all made in the image of God, and we all have things that we struggle with.

00:33:57.000 Here's where I have a difficulty, though.

00:34:00.000 I reject the premise that your identity needs to be about your private sexual behavior.

00:34:06.000 There's only two identities I care about, saved and unsaved.

00:34:10.000 That's the only identities that I care about.

00:34:13.000 Can I just say something to you and to everybody out here?

00:34:16.000 You know the beautiful thing about Christianity, if they had to sum it up in two words, it's love others.

00:34:21.000 I love you.

00:34:22.000 And I want your happiness.

00:34:23.000 I want your success.

00:34:24.000 I want you to live in the freest country in the history of the world.

00:34:27.000 I want that to all continue.

00:34:28.000 And I wish you the best.

00:34:31.000 And everybody does here.

00:34:33.000 We all want you to be successful.

00:34:35.000 We want to love you.

00:34:36.000 We do.

00:34:38.000 I have a follow-up question.

00:34:39.000 Yeah.

00:34:41.000 Sorry I have to stand up, but I'm a midget.

00:34:43.000 I understand.

00:34:45.000 We have to go in a minute.

00:34:46.000 Go ahead.

00:34:47.000 So there's the rhetoric of homosexual people are struggling with same-sex attraction.

00:34:53.000 Would you say that two homosexual people are capable of being in love? 1.00

00:34:59.000 Again, of course, but it depends what type of love.

00:35:02.000 So there are four types of love in the Greek.

00:35:04.000 There's agape, storge, phileo, and eros.

00:35:07.000 So let's go through the four.

00:35:09.000 And I don't mean to take too long, Rob.

00:35:10.000 I know we've got to dash it.

00:35:11.000 So agape is a sacrificial love.

00:35:13.000 For God so agaped the world that he gave his one and only son.

00:35:16.000 John 3, 16.

00:35:17.000 Storge, love between a friend.

00:35:19.000 Eros, which is a romantic love.

00:35:20.000 And then finally, phileo, which is a brotherly love.

00:35:23.000 Of course you can have one of those four loves.

00:35:25.000 And of course you can.

00:35:27.000 The question is, can you have the deepest, most sincere form of love?

00:35:32.000 I wouldn't know.

00:35:33.000 I don't...

00:35:34.000 I would say that in God's standard of marriage, that is reserved between separate and disparate parts, which is male and female. 0.79

00:35:41.000 Would you not say love is a choice?

00:35:42.000 Would I not say love is a choice?

00:35:44.000 Yeah, of course love is a choice, yes.

00:35:46.000 But again, what sometimes people in relationships, both heterosexual and homosexual, get confused is they confuse love for lust.

00:35:54.000 And that happens more times than not.

00:35:56.000 I'm not saying that is the case in every single...

00:35:58.000 You can absolutely...

00:35:58.000 You can love other people.

00:36:00.000 And you can absolutely love other people.

00:36:02.000 Absolutely.

00:36:02.000 Okay, so...

00:36:04.000 Then do you believe that they can experience the Eros love to homosexual men? 0.99

00:36:11.000 It's a good question.

00:36:13.000 I think that people can love each other.

00:36:16.000 I do think though that...

00:36:19.000 We have to go by something to live our lives in a way that is righteous and a way that is right.

00:36:26.000 I would just go back to this thing which is to love others and to accept others without exception is to love others.

00:36:36.000 And that is what makes Christianity so exceptionally beautiful, and that's why Christianity is being persecuted all over the world now, including in the United States, because of that love of others.

00:36:47.000 But I would simply say, I love you, and I love you, and I want your happiness, and I want your success, and I do not exclude you for any of your feelings that you feel.

00:36:55.000 Towards me or anyone else.

00:36:56.000 You have that love.

00:36:58.000 Because it is my job.

00:36:59.000 It is our job as Christians, all of us, is to be that light.

00:37:03.000 To reflect God's light.

00:37:04.000 And that light is love.

00:37:06.000 And there's no exception there.

00:37:07.000 So God bless you.

00:37:08.000 And I love you.

00:37:10.000 Thank you.

00:37:11.000 Thank you.

00:37:12.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:37:13.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - November 18, 2024

The Debates that Flipped Arizona: Charlie's "Prove Me Wrong" at GCU

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