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00:02:21.000Cremation of would be Trump assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks' body was paid for by an anonymous donor.
00:02:29.000So an anonymous donor paid for the cremation of President Trump's would be assassin, Thomas Crooks, just days after the deadly Butler PA rally shooting, according to federal records reviewed by the Post.
00:02:41.000The revelation was included in a trove of documents provided to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley.
00:02:47.000Republican out of Iowa, good man, as part of his ongoing inquiry into the first Trump assassination attempt.
00:02:53.000That's one reason to stop the reading right there.
00:02:56.000The first Trump assassination attempt.
00:05:21.000But there's multiple layers here that are just interesting, right?
00:05:24.000Like Christopher Wray, the FBI, on July 24th, 2024, FBI director at the time, Christopher Wray, told the House Judiciary Committee, We did not find the ladder at the scene.
00:05:37.000So he added that the Bureau did not believe crooks used one to reach the roof.
00:06:12.000There's a lot of questions here that I think Christopher Wray should have to answer for.
00:06:16.000President Trump is chiming in on this, by the way, which I think is of note.
00:06:22.000He said Everybody knows the crooked Joe Biden FBI didn't do what they should have with respect to the lunatic who shot me in Butler, Pennsylvania.
00:06:32.000By the time I got into office on January 20th, most of the information was missing, altered, corrupted, or gone.
00:06:46.000That's really interesting that he's saying that because the best argument, really, against worrying too much about this is in the past, Trump has suggested he's very satisfied with the Butler case, that he'd gotten the explanation and he wasn't more worried about it.
00:07:22.000If Trump is waving the flag and saying, hey, guys, there's something to see here, that's a huge deal because, as you point out, rightly, he was the individual shot at.
00:07:32.000So, dirty cop Christopher Wray should pay a price for the way he handled this assassination attempt and certainly for the things he said.
00:07:46.000So, A couple other revelations that we have to point out here.
00:07:52.000Number two, the FBI was looking for a second phone.
00:07:56.000Again, we get this from Tom S. Elliott.
00:07:57.000Four days later, on July 21, a special agent and a supervisor walked a linear search pattern across the same area, coordinates given to six decimal places.
00:08:09.000And rummaged through a dumpster for a phone believed to be associated with Thomas Crooks.
00:08:14.000They also searched a second location, an apartment complex on Library Road, because its coordinates were saved on Crooks' phone.
00:08:21.000And reviewed a funeral home security cameras covering the road outside of it the morning of July 13th, which is when the assassination took place.
00:08:30.000But the search only makes sense if investigators believed a device existed and that they did not have access to that phone.
00:08:38.000So they are already basically saying, we believe there's multiple phones and we're searching for multiple phones.
00:08:44.000Why would this sort of lone gunman, just a complete lone wolf, have Belgian encrypted email accounts, had multiple phones, be spotted with multiple different people at different locations?
00:09:00.000And Christopher Ray is being very, very specific and very narrow with his word choice.
00:09:05.000Like, there's something that's not right here, you know, and I have to just compare and contrast it.
00:09:11.000You know, there's a lot of people that have built a cottage industry around Charlie's assassination.
00:09:18.000And I have not had those same red flags go up nearly as often.
00:09:21.000I want to know who was on the Discord chats and because anybody else be involved.
00:09:26.000But it does seem like there's a much more well rounded story that I can understand.
00:09:32.000Here, there's so many holes that I don't know where to begin.
00:09:37.000So, very, very interesting revelations.
00:09:39.000And then, Blake, to have somebody come in and pay for the cremation of Thomas Crooks while there's a congressional investigation going on, it's very, very interesting.
00:09:51.000Well, my gut feeling reading through a lot of this is it does remind me, frankly, of how a lot of other, let's just say it, conspiracy theories get started, where you take one or two things that you can kind of make you raise an eyebrow, especially if you present it a certain way.
00:10:06.000So, for example, the encrypted Belgian email addresses.
00:10:10.000Well, looking at the details again, what it is is he had repeatedly accessed MailFence, which is an email service that is hosted in Belgium.
00:10:19.000So it's basically he went to a website that is based in another country that is a secure email server, which some most of us probably just use Gmail or Hotmail or whatever.
00:10:30.000But some people are really paranoid and they want to use these specific secured email things, and that often means using a foreign site.
00:10:38.000Or similarly, The guy he's with on the range.
00:10:41.000Well, they say it's another member of the club.
00:10:44.000My guess is they have pretty good reason to believe that that's not a suspicious interaction.
00:11:13.000It's like the FBI is just not dotting every I and crossing every T in the way we might consider ideal.
00:11:19.000That this is a super high profile case that people are going to lose their minds over.
00:11:25.000So we'd really like it if they were just exhaustively detailed about everything where they could say, okay, we found this other club member.
00:11:34.000They're a normal guy who's there every week and we have no connection to Thomas Crooks.
00:11:41.000If they were doing that, I think this would tap down this.
00:11:43.000Reading through all of this, I would say, I don't.
00:11:49.000Or, for example, another part of it where we mentioned this that he was, that Crooks was pacing around his house all of the time.
00:11:56.000Or another, apparently a classmate said it was like having a course with Lee Harvey Oswald.
00:12:01.000That's evidence that points towards he could be a lone shooter.
00:12:04.000He's this nutball who talks to himself, who acts strangely, who could fixate on something.0.78
00:12:09.000Even if he's not talking about politics all the time, he just might be the kind of guy who gets the delusion in his head that he should try to assassinate a former and future US president.0.83
00:12:19.000So that's my gut feeling on this, taking all of it in over the course of this half hour.
00:12:24.000Yeah, I mean, I definitely understand.
00:12:27.000I think some of these explanations, we call it the evidence of the gaps fallacy, right?
00:12:31.000And we see this with the story with what happened with Charlie that if people don't have a piece of information that they feel entitled to, then they fill it in with all kinds of conspiratorial thinking, right?
00:12:49.000Again, let's play the other side of this, Blake.
00:12:53.000President Trump is now sounding off, upset that he feels like Christopher Wray did not handle this the right way, that the evidence was corrupted, it was missing, it was altered.
00:13:04.000Those are huge, huge, huge allegations.
00:13:07.000And I'm kind of remember, I'm reminded of the time where President Trump accused law enforcement of wiretapping him, right?
00:13:15.000Everybody was like, oh, we don't wiretap anymore.1.00
00:13:18.000President Trump's instincts on this stuff, Oftentimes, it can be pretty spot on, and we have to give a lot of credence to the fact that he went from not sounding overly concerned to now he's saying he's concerned.
00:13:31.000I will note his specific takeaway is he wants accountability for Christopher Ray, who is a specific person he has a grievance with.
00:13:39.000So he seems to be putting this into the pile of reasons we should indict or penalize or go after Christopher Ray, as opposed to what we're more concerned about, which is can we get more information?
00:13:59.000It is interesting the Lee Harvey Oswald comment from, I guess, a classmate or something, because originally there were anti Trump remarks attributed.
00:14:08.000This classmate got very upset that those anti Trump remarks were passed along because they didn't experience the same interactions with him, just said that he was genius level smart and that according to his parents, he was walking around whispering to himself.
00:14:23.000He does seem like a disturbed individual, but.
00:14:25.000He does seem like somebody that could be radicalized.
00:14:28.000And this is something else that you need to understand in the audience actually happens.
00:14:32.000When young people, especially that are on these chat groups or online in these kind of corners of the internet, foreign operatives will get in there and they do something called nudging.
00:14:44.000This is one of the things that I've been researching and studying with regards to Tyler Robinson.
00:14:50.000Is somebody nudging, whether it's from China, Iran, Russia, wherever, that could be trying to radicalize?
00:14:58.000You know, malcontents, people that have emotional or mental problems to get them to do something radical, to get them to do something extreme, like an attempted assassination of a president.
00:15:09.000This would be something that I would be very curious to know more about somebody that seems to be a bit of a loner, be very, very strange, strange behavior, high IQ, high agency.
00:15:19.000Is this somebody that you could, you know, try and lead down a really dark path, right?
00:15:25.000Now, there's another thing from these documents that I just want to point out really quick.
00:15:28.000Someone who looked like crooks walked into a gun store 120 miles away.
00:15:39.000He went to the range alone, bought ammunition alone, had no friends in general.
00:15:43.000Then there is a Keystone Armory in Edinburgh, Pennsylvania, two hours north of Bethel Park.
00:15:48.000The store called FBI Pittsburgh itself to report that on May 25th, 2024, a person of interest who resembled the shooter spent about an hour browsing the store, accompanied by a white male believed to be around his mid 30s and another older white male with a gray beard.
00:16:02.000The lookalike bought 20 rounds of ammo, basically, and this ammo would match one of Thomas Crooks' weapons.
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00:19:04.000So, yeah, well, welcome to the upside down world that is.
00:19:09.000Well, we can tie it into the bigger picture because what Megan's book is about and what she's often talked about is that really bizarre desire among people who claim to be conservative or conservative institutions to do a lot of legwork for the left.
00:19:26.000And we see that with self identified libertarians and we see it a lot with self identified Christian leaders.
00:19:33.000And so much of the debate that we had seen over the last 48 hours over the infamous Beau French tweet, to me, it was kind of the pattern that we have seen from so much of the establishment, both the political establishment on the right and also the evangelical establishment, because so often they walk arm in arm.
00:19:53.000And it's that we can debate something like that post.
00:19:56.000Like, was that the most effective way to communicate frustrations about the fact that the demographics in Texas are changing so rapidly?
00:20:05.000Like, you can say, okay, Taking this particular photo from a football game maybe wasn't the best choice because we don't know what the circumstances were to bring those particular students into that particular part of the stadium.
00:20:16.000Maybe they're part of a South Asian club on the campus or something.
00:20:20.000But the immediate rush to condemn from John Cornyn and these other candidates was exactly what you see.
00:20:27.000And by the way, from a lot of evangelical leaders too.
00:20:29.000I think I saw Daniel Darling of the Southern Baptist Convention was one of those who kind of weighed in and said, you know, this is despicable.
00:20:38.000And none of them wanted to grapple with what is the sentiment behind this?
00:20:42.000What are the frustrations that are being projected onto this picture?
00:20:46.000And so instead, you've got this virtue signaling rather than a serious discussion of, okay, what's motivating that sentiment?
00:20:52.000And what's motivating it is, you know, and we can look at the demographics of Texas and look at some of these school districts and say, okay, why has the Copple school district gone from 18% Asian?
00:21:19.000That is a deliberate effort to change the demographics of Texas through immigration, through these H 1B things and other visas.0.97
00:21:28.000And so I look at that and I just go, it's fine to say, hey, that wasn't the appropriate way to express this sentiment of the voters, but it is a real sentiment.0.94
00:21:38.000And so I wanted to grapple with that and say, okay, let's look at the realities on the ground.
00:21:44.000And that is what you get from the evangelical and conservative establishment that was heavily represented in John Cornyn saying, I'm not going to vote for Beau French.
00:21:55.000Even Karl Rove saying, I am not going to vote for Beau French.
00:21:59.000In fact, I'm going to vote for his opponent, who is someone who is much more morally questionable, someone who has openly opposed banning puberty blockers for students and for minors.
00:22:11.000And so that's the kind of moral weight that they're.
00:22:14.000Making that they're saying, I'm going to put more weight on this, you know, maybe unfortunate tweet than the fact that his opponent is somebody who is absolutely supportive of transgender surgeries and puberty blockers for minors.
00:22:28.000We've had a guest on this show in the past who is the former GOP chair in the state of Texas, Abraham George.
00:22:33.000He's an Indian, you know, but a conservative, conservative Indian.
00:22:37.000He and Beau French are friends, and he does not think Beau French is racist against Indians.
00:22:43.000And there is a lot of people in Texas that will say, hey, You know, some of these Indian guys, they're real, they're great.
00:22:49.000It's everything's great, but there's just, you know, it's a lot and it's happening really, really quick.
00:22:54.000And so you're seeing whole neighborhoods get transformed, whole school districts get transformed like that.
00:22:59.000And people don't understand, like, this is historic.
00:23:02.000What's happened to America in the last 40 years, the pace of change, the number of people that we've brought in is historic.
00:23:10.000And I think it's insane that when you're going to, you know, import 70 million people or whatever it's been and not expect the native born population to notice.0.98
00:23:20.000Or for that not to cause consternation or frustration, because it's going to.0.97
00:23:24.000It's going to rapidly change the culture.
00:23:27.000My question for you, though, Megan, is why is the church so susceptible to being hoodwinked by this stuff?
00:23:34.000Why are they so susceptible to the sob stories, to pastors parroting this open borders garbage, parroting all the stuff that allows this to happen?
00:23:44.000It gives them the moral license to do this.0.67
00:23:48.000I mean, for one thing, I think we've established a standard that the left gets to set our cultural midpoint.
00:23:54.000So, whatever we sort of presume is neutral, we have allowed the left to set that.
00:23:59.000And in part, it is because They hold a lot of the levers of power.
00:24:02.000So, if you want to be published in the New York Times or you want to be hailed in the Washington Post or by the Atlantic, typically the way you do that is by taking these positions, is by saying, I'm going to condemn this tweet.
00:24:13.000And I'm not going to ask what the legitimate objections that are behind the sentiment that reacted to that tweet were.
00:24:23.000Because those are the things that they don't want to look at, like the fact that, okay, we are seeing workers in the United States displaced.
00:24:31.000There is the fact that in the University of Texas system, Roughly 30% of the graduate students are international students.
00:24:40.000If you get into the high paying STEM programs, it actually gets up to more like 50 to 60% of those students are foreign born.
00:24:47.000And so there's a lot of resentment about that because they're thinking, you know, a lot of our taxpayer money goes to prop up this system.
00:24:53.000So why aren't our pastors sometimes speaking for us or to our concerns?
00:24:58.000And so, you know, I think that there's been a lot of effort within the church.
00:25:04.000And, you know, part of it is, I think, just man pleasing, right?
00:25:13.000But I also think, you know, as I demonstrated in Shepherds for Sale, there's also been a very deliberate effort on the left to come into churches and to create evangelical front groups.
00:25:23.000Megan, because our memories are so short, give me like a concrete example of the money flow, of the influence flow that comes from on high, that comes from outside really evangelical circles, but then infiltrates the church to propagandize them and get them to parrot their message.
00:25:40.000Yeah, okay, so let's talk about, for example, one of the evangelical leaders who condemned Beau French's post was Daniel Darling, who has been involved with the evangelical immigration table.
00:25:52.000I think he has signed some of their letters and been involved with organizations that linked arms with them.
00:25:59.000So, this group is actually a part of a secular immigration NGO that is called the National Immigration Forum.
00:26:22.000But they created this evangelical front group to go into churches and say, we are representing the evangelical vote.
00:26:29.000And so they took money via the National Immigration Forum.
00:26:34.000They took money from them, which was then George Soros' money goes to the National Immigration Forum, which then goes to the evangelical immigration table.
00:26:41.000And they then go out and draft these sort of generic letters.
00:26:45.000That says, you know, maybe we stand opposed to racism or we stand opposed to, you know, this kind of xenophobia.
00:26:51.000And they get all these pastors to sign on.
00:26:53.000And so the pastors sign on because they think, well, we don't want to be for racism or xenophobia and we want to love our immigrant neighbors.
00:28:09.000And there's also, you know, very much a structure in place to keep those pastors who have come out, let's say you live in Texas and they say things like, actually, no, scripture does not require us to have open borders.
00:28:21.000Then they no longer get access to some of the opportunities like, Right now, media and big conferences.
00:28:26.000So they know if they speak out, it's going to drum them out of the club.
00:28:32.000A devout Catholic family in Massachusetts locked in a huge legal fight to stop the state from transitioning their teen daughter to a boy without their consent.
00:28:42.000Joseph and Arlene Kutsko haven't spoken to their daughter since the end of 2024 after the Department of Children and Family Services removed her from their home.
00:28:51.000Family claims it was because of their Catholic faith that would not allow them.
00:28:57.000Child services removed Sophie from their home and accused them of abuse.
00:29:01.000The Cootesco say their daughter's school, Algonquin Regional High School in Southboro, Massachusetts, exposed Sophie to a culture steeped in gender ideology and blamed a school counselor for socially transitioning their daughter to becoming a boy without their knowledge or permission.
00:29:16.000This is a heartbreaking story out of Massachusetts that obviously touches on religious themes because, Megan, I have been told that if you do not Affirm your child when they think that they're born in the wrong body, that God made them the wrong way, then you are an abusive parent.
00:29:35.000And that seems to be the case here is that they have been accused of being abusive to their daughter, Sophie.
00:29:41.000It is apparently a devout Catholic family.
00:29:43.000I've seen their clips, by the way, just crying on camera.
00:29:48.000And this daughter seems to have been subjected to radical gender ideology at this school by a school counselor, and they're getting blocked from access to Sophie.
00:30:05.000And I think, you know, that actually links very much back to the previous segment because we're pretending like, you know, we're past this.
00:30:12.000We're past the crazy, really, you know, extreme left wing candidates.
00:30:17.000And so we've settled the battle over the trans ideology and we can now go back to debating more sane political issues.0.68
00:30:24.000And this just demonstrates that that is not the case.0.81
00:30:27.000You know, it's a little bit like, I can speak about this with some knowledge.
00:30:31.000When you have cancer and the chemo doesn't kill the cancer and you just go off and you stop trying to treat it, the cancer then comes roaring back stronger than ever before.
00:30:41.000And I think we're very much at risk of that happening.
00:30:44.000If these midterms go very poorly, I think we're going to see all of these things coming back on steroids.
00:30:50.000And again, that really highlights the fact that, you know, Beau French, whatever he posted as a candidate, you can disagree with it.
00:30:58.000But it is insane for someone like Karl Rove to say, because I disagreed with this post, I am going to therefore.
00:31:05.000Elect a candidate who is exponentially more morally disordered.
00:31:11.000So, you know, this just highlights that for me that this is not done.
00:31:20.000And, you know, right now on the books, there are still laws in places like California and I think Illinois where this will still happen.
00:31:28.000Like if you're a foster care family or an adoptive family and you are trying to get a child, they will tell you if you don't affirm them in this madness, then you can't have this child.
00:31:39.000You are not, therefore, qualified to adopt or foster.
00:31:43.000So this is still very much a live issue.
00:31:45.000And I think, Megan, it shows an imbalance, unfortunately, between the right and the left that.
00:31:52.000I think the right is more prone to think we won on this thing, we won this election, we got this executive order, this Supreme Court case, it's over.
00:32:01.000The left, I think because they're more used to working within institutions, they have a lot more entropy, a lot more tide goes in, tide goes out, wear away at this.
00:32:13.000Stuff like prison abolition hasn't gone away, all their pro crime rhetoric, that hasn't gone away just because crime is down for the moment and we're more tough on crime.1.00
00:32:22.000And this trans version is the scariest version of that.1.00
00:32:27.000They got appointed to various bureaucratic apparatuses.
00:32:30.000They know all those rules that we're not aware of, and they're going to weaponize them where they can right now.
00:32:36.000But as soon as we have a Democrat back in power in the White House, or if they're able to pack the Supreme Court, they have all of this stuff ready to be rolled back out, and it can be just like it's 2019 all over again on this.
00:33:01.000And the Karl Rove wing of the party, the neocon, old school, we're going to play by their moralizing rules, Karl Rove wing of the party is disgusting.0.97
00:33:39.000It doesn't negate the fact that we have an immigration problem.
00:33:41.000It doesn't negate the fact that they're still transing our kids in Massachusetts and this Catholic family had CPS show up at their door and kidnap their child from them.0.97
00:33:50.000Like the whole old way of doing things needs to just go out the window.0.94
00:33:54.000And we need to fundamentally reject Karl Rove type politics as a conservative movement because it's loser mentality.
00:34:13.000And I also think, you know, we have to acknowledge that there is a class based element to this, that I think that they just want to be with the people that they consider more elitist, higher brow.
00:34:24.000And for whatever reason, and, you know, a lot of the reasons are money, fear of man, influence.
00:34:30.000But the range of opinion they are willing to.
00:34:34.000Tolerate on the left appears to be just infinite.
00:34:37.000There is no level of insanity that will make them say, I would never touch that candidate.
00:34:44.000And yet, the range of opinion that they will tolerate on the right is extremely small.
00:34:49.000So, even if you don't take one instance or it, yeah, you don't express whatever the view is of how we're having this immigration debate in just the right way, in just the right way to appeal and to appease to those.
00:35:04.000Intellectual, they view it this way, your intellectual betters, then they're going to just condemn you and completely focus on that and completely ignore the issue that gave rise to the commentary.
00:35:14.000Well, and Megan, this is the whole thing.
00:35:16.000The rubber chicken dinner crowd, the country club Republican crowd are the same people who sold this country down the river for decades.
00:35:27.000Then, secondly, you have to think about the actual people here on the ground, the actual Americans that are getting victimized, that get left behind in this whole conversation by our intellectual betters.
00:35:58.000This is the same group, by the way, that will not distance themselves from Hassan Piker, that will not disavow Hassan Piker, but they're demanding that we disavow Beau French right now.
00:36:07.000They're demanding that we, because he made a tweet they didn't like.
00:36:10.000And it wasn't even that mean, by the way.
00:36:13.000I mean, final 20 seconds to you, Megan.
00:36:15.000Yeah, no, I mean, I agree with all of that.
00:36:17.000And that's, um, We're rapidly reaching a point where we're going to continue to see the old guard, I think, lose.
00:36:23.000We're going to continue to see candidates like John Cornyn lose, and they're going to be frustrated, but eventually they're going to get the message.
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00:38:37.000Well, Andrew, before we talk about that, because I think actually the quote unquote throat clearing is actually important because I think, you know, I've just found enough from talking about these sorts of issues that there are a lot of people who will simply not hear you if they think you've got some sort of an animus against, yeah, no, fair enough.
00:38:58.000And so that's why you do it because I don't, you know.
00:39:02.000So it's really easy for me to demonstrate that I don't.
00:39:05.000And, you know, it'll kind of annoy the most based people who are like, well, you know, why do you have to do those qualifiers?
00:39:10.000But respectfully, I've done this a lot in front of an audience.
00:39:16.000Jeremy, before you dive into yours, we actually haven't shown the tweet during this show, Andrew.
00:39:20.000So I think we should throw it up real quickly.
00:39:23.000Just so people who aren't online know what we're talking about.
00:39:50.000The problem is now obviously far worse than anyone imagined.1.00
00:39:53.000And it's an image from UT fans celebrating, and almost everyone you can see in the image is clearly of Indian descent.
00:40:03.000And so, kind of, it gives the impression almost that the whole stadium is filled with nothing but Indians, although I think it's probably maybe an Indian student group or some such.
00:40:13.000But that got 48.2 million views as of this post.
00:40:18.000So that's what everyone is reacting to.
00:40:20.000Well, and Beau French, I guess, is held to a different standard because he's running for Texas Railroad Commissioner.
00:41:27.000But when you have sort of a limited number of high skilled immigrants who come over, you know, that's one thing.0.85
00:41:34.000When you have entire major school districts in Texas, in the Dallas area, kind of being transformed in two decades from overwhelmingly majority Anglo.1.00
00:41:47.000To overwhelmingly majority Asian, you know, that I think that creates some challenges, right?0.99
00:41:54.000And we should just be honest about that.
00:41:56.000And we shouldn't jump down Beau French's throat and start screaming at him because he's pointing out that, hey, this is an issue and replacement is an issue.
00:42:07.000And I think, Jeremy, I think what stands out that makes this debate particularly challenging and also interesting is we've heard all the rhetoric about immigration from, if you're having illegal immigration from, Central America or from Africa, that we're bringing in a lot of people who end up on the dole, who end up committing crimes.0.97
00:42:27.000We've seen all the heinous illegal immigrant crimes.0.85
00:42:29.000Indians in America, they have a very high educational attainment.
00:42:37.000That's why they're all over that stadium.
00:42:38.000They get a very high number of seats at the University of Texas.
00:42:42.000And you have to react to this a bit differently because the problem is not that we're just bringing in people who are criminals, it's that we're just bringing in people who are.0.62
00:42:53.000Alien that we've brought in, like we basically decided to replace our upper crust with people from a different cultural background, a totally different value system.0.90
00:43:05.000And if you have a ton of those people come in all at once, it's going to radically change your country.0.57
00:43:11.000You're going to have an elite cast in Texas who don't know, let's just put it this way they don't know who Moses was.
00:43:20.000I heard a university professor say that he's encountering the Moses problem.
00:43:23.000He's talking to university students who literally have never heard of who Moses was.
00:43:28.000And that's a growing issue that we're going to have if we're bringing people who are from a totally different cultural context than the one we're used to.
00:43:37.000No, Blake, I think that's exactly right.0.97
00:43:51.000I'm not saying that's not a problem.0.54
00:43:53.000But there's also a problem of mass importing a new elite or a kind of new upper to middle elite in terms of how it kind of just changes the entire cultural project of your country when you're doing that, when people are taking their cues.0.85
00:44:09.000From people without that type of background.
00:44:12.000And again, it's a numbers question.0.98
00:44:15.000I'm not saying that if we have some super hotshot, incredible, groundbreaking engineer from India, we shouldn't let them in just because they happen to be Indian.
00:44:25.000But as I pointed out, and there's other people who've pointed this out, I mean, of these visas, there's also huge numbers of them who are getting them illegitimately.0.54
00:44:36.000We've got visa mills, colleges, basically things posing as colleges that are really visa mills in the US.
00:44:42.000And we're effectively just kind of recruiting in.
00:44:45.000In many cases, people who will work for 30% less than, say, a U.S. software engineer without any better skills, and then that person's being replaced, that just doesn't serve the U.S. interest in any respect, in my view.
00:45:42.000It is a poor country, it is a country with a lot of problems.
00:45:46.000And we're already seeing that there's been a lot of focus on, for example.
00:45:50.000Truck drivers who are getting these commercial driver's licenses, even though they're illegal or not able to drive.
00:45:55.000And a lot of these are coming from India.
00:45:58.000We're getting more of the mass of India's population.1.00
00:46:02.000And so we're going to get the downsides.1.00
00:46:05.000And we've also brought in a new elite that is probably going to keep pushing this because they have cultural affinity with the country they're coming from.
00:46:13.000All right, I want to read something to you, Jeremy.
00:46:17.000In 2005, 28% of undergraduates at the University of Texas were white men.
00:46:25.000As of this year, that number is down to 12%.
00:47:19.000And I sort of learned my lesson on this with Trump because I've always tried to speak about these issues pretty carefully.
00:47:24.000And when Trump kind of came on the scene, I was like, man, he's talking about things that are really important, but I'm not totally comfortable with some of the rhetoric he uses.
00:47:35.000And Beau French, you know, this is not necessarily always the way that I would choose to talk about it, the way he talks about it, but now we're talking about the amount of H 1B scams, diploma mills, the replacement of kind of the people who descended from the people who built the state of Texas with people with very little cultural or historical ties to Texas.
00:49:30.000But he says, I condemn racism in all its forms, including James Talrico saying white men are America's top terror threat and that he prays to overcome his own whiteness, whatever that means.
00:49:38.000Only one person in this race has a history of dividing Texans by race, and it's James Talrico.
00:49:53.000It's just that Ken Paxton has always gotten it, and John Cornyn never has.
00:49:58.000And he immediately didn't kind of take the bait, didn't sort of go in for the very predictable framing, and turned the attention to the fact that he is running against an anti white racist in James Tallarica, who has made a number of just completely non defensible statements about white people.
00:50:21.000That, I mean, yeah, we talk about them on the right, but of course, the kind of so called legacy media will just ignore.
00:50:27.000They're not going to treat it seriously.
00:50:29.000And that's what needs to be about because there are still enough both white voters and then other voters who don't like anti white racism out there that if these sorts of racist comments from Tallarico get out there, people are going to say, you know what?
00:50:42.000I don't really care what Beau French said.
00:50:43.000I don't want this guy representing me.
00:50:46.000And so they're going to go vote for Beau French.
00:50:47.000They're going to go vote for Ken Paxton, who's been a very successful attorney general in Texas.
00:50:56.000I don't know if you've heard about it, but it involves wheelchairs.
00:50:59.000Yeah, well, it's just such a perfect illustration of that values issue we were talking about.
00:51:04.000That if you go through an airport, and this is many people know, if you claim you need a wheelchair to get through to get to your gate, or if you need it to get on, you're able to get that for free.
00:51:16.000They'll often will you through security at an escalated pace, they'll put you on the plane first.
00:51:21.000And what's become a notorious problem, and Indians themselves will talk about this, is flights that are heavily Indian or to or from India will have way more people using this service.
00:51:32.000They themselves will talk about it.0.60
00:51:34.000This is a post that was on Reddit from an Indian.
00:51:36.000He says, Every time I take a flight to India, the line of wheelchairs is five to ten times as much as any other flight I've taken.
00:51:44.000Indians never seem to bother using other concierge options because they have this free option available if you just abuse the wheelchair system.0.98
00:51:51.000It's frustrating to see this pattern of Indians abusing a free system built off a universal system of social trust that will happen until the system breaks down.1.00
00:52:01.000And I think it's just a perfect example of.1.00
00:52:04.000When you bring in a large number of people from a very different culture, a culture that might think it's much more automatic to, oh, that's a free thing I can use, I will do that.
00:52:13.000They're not going for the more traditional, if I don't really need it, I shouldn't use this thing that's meant for other people.1.00
00:52:50.000I had the honor of a lifetime to call Charlie a friend.
00:52:54.000And what I remember most wasn't just what people saw on stage, it was what was behind the scenes.
00:53:01.000That was an unwavering commitment to his faith, his love for his family, and his genuine desire to encourage others to live with courage and conviction.
00:53:10.000Charlie believed that following Christ wasn't something you compartmentalize.
00:53:13.000He didn't put it in a box, he lived it out loud.
00:53:16.000It shaped how he lived, how he served, how he treated people every single day.
00:53:21.000Charlie Kirk, American Martyr, captures that heart.
00:53:24.000This documentary isn't just simply about remembering Charlie, it's an invitation for each of us to ask what kind of legacy we're building and whether we're willing to stand firm in our own faith when it's tested.
00:53:36.000I hope that you'll watch it with your family and have those conversations together.
00:53:44.000Become an Angel Guild member, watch Charlie Kirk, American Martyr, and help bring more stories of faith, courage, and conviction to audiences around the world.
00:53:56.000We have reduced Americanism down to, well, have you filled out your paperwork?
00:54:00.000And the left doesn't even believe that.
00:54:02.000They believe Americans is the presence of being in the United States of America.
00:54:08.000The best way I can answer it is someone that has demonstrated through objective measurements and markers that this is home.
00:54:16.000That you have more than respect or reverence, that you're willing to die, that you are all in, that this is a place that you're willing to bleed for and sacrifice for.
00:54:24.000This is not a dumping ground for the third world, this is not a social experiment.
00:54:29.000You got a tear in your eye on July 4th, that you worship God, not Allah, that you have a sense of weight and responsibility, that you care about your fellow neighbor.
00:54:43.000An American is more than just someone that has a U.S. passport.
00:55:28.000This is actually a legitimate thing to be criticizing because the body politic of Texas, across other states too, by the way, this is just Texas conversation, has been transformed almost overnight.
00:55:42.000We don't need to give into identity politics, but we can absolutely have a critique about the way we do mass replacement level immigration in this country.1.00
00:55:52.000And you've been one of the most articulate voices on this, especially when it comes to H 1Bs.0.93
00:55:56.000So, give us your take of what you make of the Beau French tweet controversy.
00:56:01.000Well, as a former high school history teacher, it's always great to be discussing the French and Indian War.
00:56:06.000But that said, I think this was actually very encouraging.
00:56:11.000Previously, if a Republican had said something like this, they would have been destroyed in public.
00:56:17.000We did see a lot of the Texas GOP come out and denounce Beau French.
00:56:20.000But what we saw was really a popular backing.
00:56:23.000I think a lot of people recognized Beau French was right over the target.
00:56:34.000They look around Texas and they recognize that, well, they don't recognize it.
00:56:38.000When I go to Dallas, it's a question of whether I'm in Texas or Mumbai.
00:56:43.000Everybody who's in that area knows exactly what Beau French is talking about.
00:56:47.000It's not just one Texas football game, it's the entire existence of that state.0.96
00:56:52.000When you see temples going up, you see statues to Hindu demons being erected in Texas, it should be just as offensive as when you see a mosque going up.0.98
00:57:03.000This is not our culture, this is not our country.0.98
00:57:05.000And the people of Texas have a right to prefer their way of life, their faith, their tradition, their heritage to others.
00:57:39.000What you just said was we prefer our way of life, our culture, our values, our God more than theirs.1.00
00:57:46.000As a matter of fact, we don't want to have to share a country with people that are, you know, erecting, you know, temples to foreign demons.0.68
00:57:55.000Now, that is not a very respectful way to say it.0.89
00:57:57.000It's a pretty blunt way to say it, but we used to not be able to say it.
00:58:01.000The whole conversation was about GDP, it was about economics, it was about the fact that Indians are so good at tech and STEM and all of this sort of thing.
00:58:13.000And by the way, I do want to reiterate there are a lot of good Indians.
00:58:16.000I was talking with Abraham George, who is the former Texas GOP chair, just yesterday, because I wanted to get his thoughts on all this stuff.
00:58:23.000He goes to a Pentecostal church in Texas with a bunch of Indians that are all Pentecostals.
00:58:46.000Turn the corner on this debate where we're not just talking in economic terms, we're talking in cultural, we're talking in civilizational terms.
00:58:52.000I think the big turn here has been the recognition that immigration has an impact beyond just the illegal aspect.
00:58:59.000We knew for a long time that illegal immigration was the focus.
00:59:04.000There's a procedure you have to go through, that's what matters.0.78
00:59:07.000And once we fix that, well, then we'll have fixed the immigration issue.
00:59:10.000But actually, we quickly discovered that it's not just illegal immigration that changes the country, it's not simply the procedure itself, the legality that matters.
00:59:18.000Though we do prefer legal immigration over illegal immigration.
00:59:22.000When we look at something like the H 1B visa, which is being given 70% to people from the nation of India, we quickly recognize that this is not on merit.0.96
00:59:32.000This is an ethnic cartel operating inside the United States.0.86
00:59:36.000And when we're talking about individual Indians, obviously there are fantastic individual Indians who are part of America.0.72
00:59:41.000If every Indian is Dinesh D'Souza, we'd all be fine, right?
00:59:45.000But ultimately, the point is that when we're looking at immigration, we have to look in blocks, we have to look at general characteristics, not just look at the best.0.96
00:59:53.000Example, because we're letting in so many people from the same place, they're going to bring that culture with them.
00:59:58.000Everyone recognizes if you bring all of Haiti over to the United States, it doesn't turn them all into Americans.
01:00:04.000They turn where they go into Haiti.1.00
01:00:11.000Again, there is a manipulation of the procedural outcome that has allowed the mass migration of Indians into places like Texas.0.83
01:00:18.000This is a manipulation of the system.0.87
01:00:20.000And we have to be able to call that out just because it's technically legal, just like the Haitians who were here were technically legal.0.99
01:00:27.000That doesn't mean it's good for the United States.0.98
01:00:30.000And another thing that I think is we should be allowed to point out because it's highly relevant is actually just in a raw political lens.0.82
01:00:38.000We got used to hearing, for example, that Hispanics were natural conservatives when in reality they're at best natural swing voters and they usually tilt Democrat.
01:00:47.000Well, if you look at the numbers, Indian immigrants to America are among the most left wing people in the entire country.
01:01:00.000It was the polling in California when they had Prop 16.
01:01:03.000And Prop 16 was the measure to re legalize racial discrimination in California.
01:01:09.000They're going to re legalize discrimination based on race in employment, in university admissions, in government programs, and all of that.
01:01:17.000And an Asian group polled different Asian subgroups and found that Indians were by far the most supportive of it.
01:01:44.000Frankly, we remember India was colonized by the British.
01:01:49.000A lot of the most politically engaged Indians in America feel they have a very big grievance against British culture, against Western culture, because they think it humiliated their country, and now they have a chance to.
01:02:06.000It is a real reality that you encounter.
01:02:08.000And we should be concerned if we're going to have that be a new big part of our elite culture in the United States.
01:02:15.000One note here, Oren, before you chime in, that this polling is really stark.
01:02:20.000I mean, that one group is way ahead of all the others.
01:02:24.000And I will say that it's anecdotal, but I've heard it from a lot of people.0.96
01:02:28.000We've gotten emails about it here on the show that when Indians get into these managerial positions where they're actually Have power to hire, they tend to favor other Indians.1.00
01:02:39.000They create not only communities that are enclaves of, you know, Balkanized Indian groups, but in the corporations that they get hired at, they tend to do the same.
01:02:48.000It's just, it seems to be a unique cultural peculiarity of the Indian culture.
01:03:25.000This is literally a plan that is circulated and discussed openly by Indian leaders on a regular basis.
01:03:31.000So, I think it's entirely reasonable to ask the question is the presence of this group that is going to regularly vote in the favor of Democrats beneficial to the United States?
01:03:41.000Is this something that the right should be fighting for?
01:03:52.000That's why they encourage immigration, both legal and illegal.0.99
01:03:56.000And it's even more dangerous when it comes to many Indians than many of the illegals previously, because the Indians are entering into higher caste jobs.0.98
01:04:05.000They are entering into business leadership, into government.
01:04:07.000They are not just going in and building a building, they are taking control of the apparatus that controls our culture and makes decisions about who comes in and who comes out.
01:04:16.000So they get to make decisions that benefit them.
01:04:30.000I didn't get laid off for lack of work.
01:04:34.000I got laid off because somebody cheaper could do my job.
01:04:39.000We met with this group of workers who all had to train replacements.
01:04:44.000I was given the news that in 90 days my job was over and I had to train my replacement.
01:04:49.000Never in my life did I imagine, until this happened at Disney, that.
01:04:55.000I could be sitting at my desk and somebody would be flown in from another country, sit at my same desk and chair, and take over what I was doing.
01:05:04.000It was the most humiliating and demoralizing thing I've ever gone through in my life.
01:05:09.000Breaks my heart every time I see that clip because we've done this to ourselves.
01:05:14.000And if anybody ever points it out, racist!
01:05:46.000Are conservatives supposed to be upset that people from different ethnic backgrounds enjoy college football?
01:05:50.000A viral photo of, like, I don't know, 30 Brown students from the stands of this weekend's UT Ohio game went viral when a random low level local GOP candidate said, Kind of gross things about their skin color.
01:06:00.000These are not people who are there flying the Mexican flag or the Palestinian flag or protesting for Gaza.
01:06:07.000The only evidence we have about the belief system of these people is that they are putting up the Texas hook 'em horns for a football team in Texas.
01:06:19.000That's literally the only thing we know about them, is that they are Texas football fans.
01:06:22.000So I will say here, Oren, before you react, you know, we have a big chapter at UT Austin.
01:06:30.000We even have Indians that are a part of the leadership there.
01:06:36.000What does Ben get wrong here, in your opinion?
01:06:38.000Well, first, it's kind of telling that Ben thinks the only thing that disqualifies you from being an American is having a Palestinian flag or chanting something.
01:06:49.000Very strange, very strange thing to interject there.
01:06:52.000I mean, what Ben is getting wrong here is that he's not treating America as an actual country the way that he would like other countries to be treated.
01:06:59.000I think it's very obvious this logic breaks down almost immediately.0.81
01:07:03.000If we put 10 million Palestinians into Israel, but they were all wearing a yarmulke, Would that make them Israeli?0.99
01:07:14.000Would that be more than fine with Ben?0.86
01:07:16.000If we moved 10 million Indians into Israel and they all converted to Judaism and had a true and passionate devotion to Judaism and they started sitting in all of the universities and replacing all of the previous Israelis that were in those universities, would Ben see no issue there?0.90
01:07:34.000I think he recognizes immediately what the problem is, but we're pretending that America is something different.0.84
01:07:58.000And no, sorry, you can't just lift anyone into this country and then suddenly expect that they have that same identity.
01:08:05.000I think that St. Augustine, or sorry, rather, Thomas Aquinas was correct that assimilation takes three generations of intermarriage, conversion to faith, And acceptance of the language.
01:08:17.000That is that time that shows that you have become one of the people.
01:08:21.000You don't suddenly become American because you happen to touch down and put on a Texas t shirt and walk in and cheer for the team.
01:08:29.000I think what I would say in his defense is I think Jeremy got at this in our previous segment as well that we have to approach this carefully because it is very easy to reduce this to just pointing and saying, I don't like the look of all the people at this sports game.
01:08:48.000And I don't think that's a political winner.
01:08:50.000I think it kind of does look ugly.1.00
01:08:51.000I do think we want to focus on all the real reasons we've cited to be concerned about Indian immigration, which is that they are very left wing, according to polls, that they do seem to be a displacing elite with different values.1.00
01:09:05.000And you should be careful about just trying to do the easy thing and saying they're at a sports game, which we probably would want them to do.0.99
01:09:13.000We probably do want them to the extent that they are here attending sports games and becoming big football fans, because that is a part of American culture.
01:09:23.000We should make note of that, that there are good and bad ways to approach this issue.
01:09:27.000And I think, as Jeremy said, Bo, he did us a favor by making it so people are talking about this, but it's probably not the way we should all go about talking about it.0.57
01:09:36.000Well, and I will say, to your point, though, Oren, the fact that America is so large, you made the contrast with Israel.
01:09:43.000And I think, you know, Israel is the size of New Jersey, it's got a 10, 12 million person population.0.84
01:09:49.000It's so much easier to sort of visualize that and understand the fragility.1.00
01:09:55.000But America, you know, we've got 350 million people scattered from coast to coast.
01:09:59.000It's harder to feel the impacts of these diasporas when they come in in such waves until you have people actually in Texas saying, hey, I don't recognize Frisco anymore.
01:10:09.000I don't recognize parts of Austin anymore.0.74
01:10:12.000And to your point, it's just, you know, I remember Charlie actually got embroiled in some controversy with this, or somebody asked him, you know, if America's population was replaced with 350 million Indians and they were all Christian, would they still be Americans?0.65
01:11:17.000Okay, look, the left is going to be able to discuss this topic and they are going to be able to set the frame.
01:11:22.000So the question is do we want to see yet another critical topic to the future of the American left or do we want to have a difficult conversation that might make some people unhappy?
01:11:32.000Ultimately, we have to know what an American is.
01:11:34.000We have to be able to answer that question.
01:11:37.000Any country that cannot answer that question, Will not survive into the future.
01:11:41.000And we are in no way immune from that.
01:11:43.000Now, ultimately, that doesn't mean that we have to be ugly to people.
01:11:47.000And I do think that, you know, Jonathan Peugeot talks a lot about how in previous cultures and different times, the definitions of identity were fuzzier.
01:11:56.000They existed, they were real, but they had more play in the joints, more around the edges.
01:12:01.000And I think what the problem is here is everyone wants a hard, fast definition they can easily quantify so they can argue about it.
01:12:07.000But the truth is that American identity is real.
01:12:13.000There are some people who are going to be able to assimilate, some people who are going to make it in to be American in a way that other people are not.
01:12:20.000That doesn't mean that America isn't real.
01:12:22.000It doesn't mean we shouldn't have a real identity and treat ourselves as a real nation.
01:12:25.000But it also means that it might be a little more flexible than previous understandings of ethnicity or nationhood.
01:12:40.000America does have a distinct identity.
01:12:43.000But maybe one of its features, one of the beautiful things about it is that there is a little bit more flex in the joints.
01:12:47.000There's a little bit more fuzziness, so more people can be a part of it.
01:12:51.000But that doesn't mean that we don't have a defined nature, value system, heritage, culture, history, which I certainly want to fight to maintain and continue on for next generations.
01:13:01.000Orrin McIntyre, great to see you, my friend.