The Charlie Kirk Show - September 14, 2026


We Will NEVER Surrender


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00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.
00:00:05.000 I run the largest pro American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic.
00:00:11.000 My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth.
00:00:14.000 If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable.
00:00:19.000 But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful.
00:00:24.000 College is a scam, everybody.
00:00:26.000 You've got to stop sending your kids to college.
00:00:27.000 You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible.
00:00:31.000 Go start a Turning Point USA college chapter.
00:00:33.000 Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter.
00:00:35.000 Go find out how your church can get involved.
00:00:37.000 Sign up and become an activist.
00:00:39.000 I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade.
00:00:41.000 Most important decision I ever made in my life.
00:00:43.000 And I encourage you to do the same.
00:00:45.000 Here I am.
00:00:46.000 Lord, use me.
00:00:48.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:49.000 Here we go.
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00:01:17.000 All right.
00:01:18.000 Welcome back, everybody.
00:01:19.000 It's Monday, September 14th, here at the YRefi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona.
00:01:24.000 Honored to be with you all as always.
00:01:27.000 We have Blake Neff.
00:01:29.000 Mr. Blake is in an undisclosed location, unless he chooses to disclose it.
00:01:34.000 It's South Dakota.
00:01:35.000 That's the last one.
00:01:37.000 He's a Sioux Falls guy.
00:01:38.000 He's very proud of that.
00:01:40.000 And why shouldn't he be?
00:01:40.000 It's a beautiful place.
00:01:42.000 Great American patriots.
00:01:43.000 By the way, the Dakotas have one of the highest birth rates in the country.
00:01:47.000 And you can tell if a nation or if a people or a community believe in themselves if they are procreating.
00:01:54.000 It's a very, very clear sign.
00:01:55.000 A people believe in themselves if they want to have babies and bring them into this world.
00:02:00.000 So good for the Dakotas. 0.96
00:02:01.000 Blake, we all woke up on Sunday morning with a terrible news story that we were forced to confront.
00:02:07.000 I was on my way to church.
00:02:09.000 I was taking the kids out for a big day with some other kids.
00:02:12.000 And in the midst of that, Guess what?
00:02:16.000 We find out that on Saturday evening, late at night, in the dead of night, vandals, it looks like a group of them, swarmed Charlie's statue that was just unveiled and they vandalized it.
00:02:29.000 And they obviously mocked the manner in which Charlie was killed.
00:02:36.000 They spray painted red, which we all know the color of red, what that was meant to signify.
00:02:41.000 And then they also vandalized a nearby sign.
00:02:45.000 And they crossed out Charlie's face again, and noticeably the name of Jesus.
00:02:49.000 Now, some people say that they wrote Satan over that.
00:02:52.000 I'm not sure if I can see that or not. 0.87
00:02:55.000 But nevertheless, it was detestable, vile, and ugly.
00:03:00.000 But the team sprung into action.
00:03:03.000 I was calling Tyler at probably as early as 6 30 in the morning when I heard the news.
00:03:09.000 He was already en route to campus.
00:03:12.000 He and a team worked hard on it.
00:03:14.000 Ryan, who lives nearby, actually.
00:03:17.000 Dedicated most of his Sunday to helping clean that up along with some other team members.
00:03:22.000 And so we're grateful to everybody that got the thing back and looking good as new.
00:03:27.000 So there it is, restored.
00:03:29.000 We've got the signs replaced already.
00:03:32.000 So obviously, evil may never sleep.
00:03:34.000 They did this in the dead of night, Blake, as I mentioned, but neither do we.
00:03:39.000 And we restored it and we are safeguarding it.
00:03:41.000 It's got 24 7 surveillance and security guarding that statue.
00:03:46.000 It was only there temporarily.
00:03:47.000 It was always supposed to be just there for a couple of days in honor of marking the one year anniversary of losing Charlie.
00:03:54.000 And we do have aspirations that that statue will end up in Statuary Hall at the U.S. Capitol.
00:04:00.000 I don't know if that's fully been determined yet, but that's kind of one of our hopes.
00:04:05.000 And anyway, so Blake, what did you make of this?
00:04:07.000 I've already expounded on it with other media outlets, but I want to hear from you.
00:04:12.000 Well, it's very revealing.
00:04:15.000 And is this as bad as what happened to Charlie a year ago?
00:04:18.000 No, it's not.
00:04:18.000 Is it as bad as a lot of things Antifa types do?
00:04:21.000 It's not.
00:04:22.000 But it's one of those smaller actions that is super indicative of the values that these people have.
00:04:30.000 Andrew, I think you'd agree.
00:04:31.000 It would never occur to us in a million years.
00:04:34.000 To vandalize a statue honoring someone on the left who, especially if they'd been heinously murdered or died some tragic death, even someone we might criticize, like let's say George Floyd as an example, we would never go and vandalize a George Floyd statue.
00:04:50.000 That would be heinous, that'd be disgusting.
00:04:52.000 And yet, it took not even three days for, as you said, apparently a group of people to call up your friends and go, let's go deface and desecrate a monument to someone who was assassinated.
00:05:05.000 And apparently, that's the sort of friend group.
00:05:07.000 That they have, and there's this very animalistic, anti civilizational element to the left that's very disturbing.
00:05:17.000 And it's something Charlie warned about.
00:05:18.000 It's the same impulse that makes you celebrate Luigi Mangione's assassination of Brian Thompson.
00:05:25.000 It's that same impulse that makes them whoop and holler over looting, over destroying a target, over ripping down other statues that we've seen across the country.
00:05:36.000 It's this very destructive impulse in the left, and we have to be frank and we have to be brave.
00:05:41.000 In confronting it, we can't concede the public square to these people.
00:05:44.000 So, if that statue doesn't go to Statuary Hall, I saw Tyler mention we might have to keep that statue out where everyone can see it just so that we cannot be intimidated by these freaks.
00:05:54.000 Yeah.
00:05:55.000 And listen, if you, I think that's so well said because, you know, Charlie warned that violence was all that the left had.
00:06:02.000 It was a fundamental feature of radical left wing politics is that they have abandoned public debate, good faith discourse, and instead they believe that being vile, being ghoulish, As you mentioned, Blake, defacing, desecrating a statue that was commissioned to memorialize a great man who died innocently, doing politics the right way, mind you.
00:06:27.000 Yeah, you don't have to believe in everything that he believed in.
00:06:30.000 You don't have to agree with his politics, but you could at least acknowledge your shared humanity.
00:06:35.000 But no, they can't even do that.
00:06:37.000 And what's telling about this moment, Blake, is this story went worldwide, by the way.
00:06:42.000 I mean, anything with Charlie goes worldwide.
00:06:44.000 It was crazy.
00:06:45.000 I mean, there was just a mountain of media requests.
00:06:48.000 Pouring in over the weekend.
00:06:49.000 I'm trying to hang out with my friends and this or my family, and this is what we had to deal with.
00:06:53.000 But I will tell you what the enemy intended for evil, God is using for good.
00:06:59.000 I want to praise so many of you out there.
00:07:02.000 After this news broke, the Commit 100 program that we've been pushing on this program is surging.
00:07:08.000 So do not let evil win.
00:07:11.000 Use this as motivation to get involved, to be a part of the solution.
00:07:15.000 We cannot let evil ghouls win the day.
00:07:18.000 We cannot be intimidated.
00:07:19.000 We cannot be.
00:07:19.000 Cowed, never surrender.
00:07:22.000 So go do your part.
00:07:23.000 Be a part of the solution.
00:07:24.000 Be a part of something bigger than yourself, as Charlie would always say.
00:07:27.000 Go to tpaction.comslash 100, tpaction.comslash 100.
00:07:31.000 If we have the graphic, I know we had that QR code from last week.
00:07:35.000 Please throw it up.
00:07:36.000 But get involved.
00:07:37.000 The people have surged to our Commit 100 program.
00:07:41.000 And so God bless you guys.
00:07:42.000 And we even have some friends of Charlie and Erica that have put up a $10,000 reward.
00:07:47.000 If anybody has a tip that they can send law enforcement, That leads to the arrest of the vandals who did it.
00:07:53.000 And it's very telling, Blake.
00:07:55.000 I mean, the outpouring of just, I don't know, anger, frustration at this has been tremendous and therefore a lot of love as well.
00:08:04.000 I mean, we've heard from Andy Biggs, we've heard from Abe Homadee, we've heard from Jay Feely, we've heard from Juan Siskamani, we've heard from all of the people that you would kind of expect, but also around the country.
00:08:16.000 Nobody with a D next to their name in the state of Arizona has even condemned what happened, the vandalism.
00:08:21.000 Katie Hobbs is completely silent.
00:08:24.000 I don't know what it takes to.
00:08:26.000 To find a unifying moment that you shouldn't be desecrating a statue that was commissioned to honor the life and legacy of somebody who was killed in cold blood.
00:08:34.000 I don't know why that's okay for anybody, but we haven't heard from them.
00:08:39.000 So we'd love to hear from Katie Hobbs or anybody to condemn this.
00:08:42.000 And the word on the street, I just find myself thinking how much heaven and earth was moved when someone left a tire mark on one of those BLM flags when they painted those on the street.
00:09:00.000 And people would get arrested because they left a tire skid mark on those.
00:09:03.000 And that's a political symbol put into a public space as opposed to a private statue honoring a specific person who was murdered.
00:09:14.000 And I just think of the scale of different reactions to that.
00:09:17.000 Yeah, I mean, it's.
00:09:18.000 Listen, if this was something that had been desecrated on the left, something that they cared about, Katie Hobbs and Mays and all these people would be up in arms, holding a press conference, vowing justice and a hate crime, the book thrown at these people, nothing.
00:09:34.000 Haven't heard a thing.
00:09:36.000 And the sick little word on the street is the suspicion.
00:09:39.000 I can't prove it.
00:09:39.000 I don't think anybody can yet until we catch who did this.
00:09:42.000 Is that there's a fear, a real fear on the Democrat side of the aisle in this state that the people who did this are associated with their political apparatus.
00:09:49.000 They might be their activists.
00:09:51.000 So we want to find them.
00:09:52.000 And if I can get that footage released, we're going to release it.
00:09:56.000 Working with law enforcement on that right now.
00:09:58.000 So it's awful.
00:10:00.000 It's awful that we, as Blake said, it would never occur to us to desecrate a statue.
00:10:06.000 That meant something to the left.
00:10:08.000 We would never.
00:10:09.000 It's just some things, you know, we are not the same.
00:10:13.000 Anyways, there was an old tweet of Charlie's that's really powerful.
00:10:16.000 Throw up 163.
00:10:18.000 Charlie said, every time left wing anarchists tear down a statue of an American hero like George Washington, President Trump should commission two more statues to be built.
00:10:27.000 Amen.
00:10:28.000 Erica Kirk, 162, she says, responding to the desecration of the Charlie Kirk statue, says, Charlie once said we should be building two statues for every statue that they tear down.
00:10:38.000 His instinct, Was always to build, not to destroy.
00:10:42.000 They thought a bullet would silence my husband's voice, but it only made it louder.
00:10:45.000 They think spray paint can obscure his legacy, but it will only spread it further.
00:10:49.000 Every attempt to tear down what Charlie built makes us root deeper and work even harder.
00:10:53.000 And if you think crossing out the name of Jesus Christ will silence Christians, history has already proved you wrong.
00:10:58.000 We know what it costs to stand firm for Christ, and we will stand anyway.
00:11:01.000 God will not be mocked.
00:11:03.000 We'll put his name right back where it belongs, clean up the mess, restore Charlie's statue, and keep building.
00:11:08.000 We will never give up and never surrender.
00:11:11.000 Amen.
00:11:12.000 Amen.
00:11:13.000 I want to play some clips for you from Charlie himself.
00:11:18.000 And I warn you in advance, these clips are hard to listen to.
00:11:25.000 Like so many things in Charlie's life, you get this sinking feeling when you hear him back that he sort of had some advanced knowledge or he had a feeling or a premonition, whatever you want to call it.
00:11:41.000 And it's hard to listen to.
00:11:44.000 So, fair advance warning here.
00:11:47.000 Sop four.
00:11:48.000 This is all they have is violence.
00:11:49.000 At the core of the left, at the core of a liberal, is someone that would use the sword if they had it.
00:11:57.000 They are very violent people at their core.
00:11:59.000 They always have been.
00:12:02.000 They can't debate, they can't have a conversation, so they'll resort to these tactics.
00:12:08.000 He goes on.
00:12:09.000 We have a lot of clips of these because unfortunately it was a repeat theme in the last few years as Charlie was doing this show.
00:12:15.000 Stop five.
00:12:16.000 They're going to do everything they possibly can to try to murder this movement because they can't beat us, so they're going to try to take weapons.
00:12:22.000 And no, we're very aware of that.
00:12:23.000 I'm aware of it.
00:12:24.000 We have to have full time security.
00:12:25.000 This is not a joke.
00:12:26.000 This is who these people are. 0.99
00:12:28.000 They want us murdered. 1.00
00:12:28.000 They want us killed. 1.00
00:12:29.000 That's why a lot of them celebrated Donald Trump getting shot and they lamented that it wasn't successful. 0.88
00:12:34.000 This is everything for them.
00:12:35.000 We're going after the core of their meaning.
00:12:38.000 Man, you hear that part, Blake, where he's talking about they celebrated and they lamented that the Butler shooter missed.
00:12:48.000 And that's just hard to hear.
00:12:50.000 I don't know.
00:12:51.000 I mean, it's a total asymmetry because.
00:12:54.000 Violence really is a core part of the left's political operation scheme.
00:13:01.000 In a way, it just never is on the right.
00:13:04.000 That they will, they have absolutely no shame about taking something like what we saw in 2020, where you have mobs of thousands of people doing wanton destruction, ripping down statue after statue, destroying stores, and they're ready there to say, well, a riot is the language of the unheard, or this just shows how out of control and bad things have gotten.
00:13:26.000 We need to.
00:13:27.000 Of course, adopt all the things that we've wanted us to do anyway, or it'll be so much worse.
00:13:32.000 There's never, in a million years, you never ever see the government worried that we need to implement a conservative policy, or else the right will explode in anarchic violence.
00:13:44.000 But that's something we routinely hear as a justification for adopting left wing policies that if we don't do it, they will kill us.
00:13:51.000 And it's a central part.
00:13:54.000 Yeah, you will know them by their fruits.
00:13:56.000 And I'm reminded now, again, that.
00:13:59.000 In the wake of Charlie's assassination, we didn't riot, we didn't loot, we held vigils and prayers, and we held the memorial, which was one of the largest proclamations of the gospel in human history.
00:14:11.000 That's how you know.
00:14:13.000 And if you think about the dialectics here, Blake, the left, well, let's start with the right.
00:14:17.000 The right fundamentally wants to conserve and preserve the good, the true, the beautiful.
00:14:22.000 In our base operating system, our software, if you would, we are not trying to rip things apart and tear them down and destroy things.
00:14:31.000 We want to preserve things.
00:14:32.000 We want to preserve.
00:14:33.000 Preserve the good, the true, and the beautiful.
00:14:35.000 The left doesn't believe that.
00:14:36.000 As you've aptly stated here, Blake, the left believes in replacing just about everything that there is about America, whether it's the body politic, the demographics, the institutions, the ideology, the American dream.
00:14:49.000 They want to replace all of those things.
00:14:51.000 So, at its core, if you want to replace something, what's the easiest way to do that?
00:14:56.000 To destroy it, to get it out of the way, to remove it off the chessboard.
00:15:01.000 That is why these two movements are so.
00:15:04.000 Wildly different.
00:15:05.000 And Blake, I mean, you are a student of history.
00:15:08.000 So let's talk about this idea that, you know, political violence is a right wing phenomenon, which is what the left loves to say.
00:15:16.000 And it's wrong.
00:15:16.000 It's been debunked.
00:15:17.000 If you look at the stats behind it, it's wrong now.
00:15:20.000 And it's probably been wrong throughout most of human history.
00:15:23.000 It's always been wrong because it's always premised on one of their best advantages, which is to rewrite how we define things.
00:15:31.000 And so they'll, for example, when people have looked into the details of this, they'll love to categorize.
00:15:38.000 Any crime committed by someone they've decided is, for example, a white supremacist, which might mean he was a member of a prison gang, they'll classify that as specifically right wing political violence.
00:15:49.000 But they'll never, for example, categorize everything that happened in 2020 as left wing political violence when it clearly was.
00:15:58.000 It clearly hit dozens of cities across the country and involved tens of thousands of individual crimes.
00:16:05.000 But they won't categorize it that way.
00:16:07.000 They'll memory hole something like, That Bill Ayers was in a group of people who were planting bombs all over the country in the Capitol, in the Pentagon.
00:16:16.000 They're planting bombs to target people for a political end, and that'll be memory holed out of existence.
00:16:23.000 It's a story over and over again with the left.
00:16:26.000 I wonder if even what happened on Sunday will be clowned as a left wing political violence when it's clearly meant to menace and intimidate.
00:16:34.000 That's just how it is.
00:16:36.000 They rely on setting definitions so that they can redefine reality to deny what is right in front of our faces.
00:16:44.000 Well said.
00:16:44.000 And I would just say one more thing here.
00:16:47.000 We will not be cowed by this.
00:16:49.000 I love the spirit of Charlie's tweet.
00:16:51.000 If they tear down one, we build two more.
00:16:54.000 And we will not be cowed.
00:16:55.000 We will not surrender.
00:16:58.000 They are not going to intimidate us.
00:16:59.000 If evil never sleeps, we have to sleep less.
00:17:02.000 That's the mantra around here.
00:17:03.000 Please get involved at tpaction.comslash 100.
00:17:06.000 Be a part of something bigger than yourself.
00:17:08.000 Use this energy, use this moment to fight back in our way, but do not fight back in their way.
00:17:14.000 I'm going to play this clip from Charlie as a warning of what not to do.
00:17:18.000 When we're reacting to this left wing insanity, SOP 15.
00:17:22.000 They're also taking down Civil War monuments and they're erecting monuments to Satan in state capitals.
00:17:30.000 Their playbook is they're trying to get the patriots of the country to do something violent.
00:17:39.000 They're begging for you to do something violent.
00:17:43.000 In fact, absent that, they know that their entire operation is going to fall apart.
00:17:50.000 And mind you, anytime the bad guys do things violent or uncharacteristic, it just kind of gets glossed over.
00:17:56.000 No one cares.
00:17:57.000 They want to try to implode the conservative movement.
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00:19:48.000 All right.
00:19:48.000 So let's turn our attention to New York.
00:19:52.000 And I've been wanting to do this for a while.
00:19:53.000 Joining us now is Bruce Blakeman.
00:19:55.000 He's a candidate for New York governor.
00:19:57.000 And he's with, I'm telling you, it's closer than people believe, Bruce.
00:20:02.000 Welcome to the show.
00:20:03.000 God bless you.
00:20:05.000 I saw this ad you put out.
00:20:06.000 We're going to play part of it.
00:20:08.000 At some point in this interview, tell us the state of the race.
00:20:11.000 Why are you running?
00:20:12.000 Why is this important?
00:20:14.000 And can you win, Bruce?
00:20:16.000 Well, first of all, we're in a statistical dead heat right now.
00:20:20.000 The latest poll that I saw, which is consistent with other polls that I've seen, has us within the margin of error.
00:20:26.000 We're at 3.9% behind Kathy Hochul, which means she's going to lose.
00:20:32.000 And we are going to shock the political world around America by having a Republican governor on January 1st sworn in.
00:20:41.000 Because we are the most overtaxed state in America. 0.96
00:20:45.000 Our electric bills are 70% higher than the national average because of the green energy scam. 1.00
00:20:51.000 Kathy Hochul is the most pro criminal governor in the United States of America. 1.00
00:20:57.000 She does more to protect criminals than our communities. 1.00
00:21:00.000 And because we are number 50 out of 50 states, dead last in economic outlook.
00:21:07.000 So you can trust that with my record in a county larger than eight states.
00:21:12.000 US News and World Report says I have the safest county in America because I funded the police.
00:21:17.000 I hired new law enforcement professionals.
00:21:20.000 I haven't raised taxes a penny in four years.
00:21:23.000 As a matter of fact, I cut $150 million in tax increases of my predecessor.
00:21:29.000 And I have tremendous economic development, job activity.
00:21:34.000 People are moving to my county.
00:21:37.000 And I want to make that our mantra for the state of New York lower taxes, lower electric bills.
00:21:43.000 And safer communities, and people will come back to New York because they're leaving by the hundreds of thousands now.
00:21:49.000 We've become a sanctuary state.
00:21:52.000 I will end that on January 1st.
00:21:54.000 I will sign an executive order ending our sanctuary state status.
00:21:58.000 Kathy Oakland spent $5 billion of our taxpayer money on people who aren't New Yorkers, they're not Americans, and they haven't earned a thing. 0.61
00:22:06.000 So, for all those reasons, I will win this election and I will be the Republican governor of the state of New York. 0.60
00:22:12.000 Man, you, I have to say, Bruce, you're.
00:22:17.000 You're a good candidate.
00:22:20.000 And you sometimes worry when you've got Republicans running in these deep blue areas that it's just not going to happen.
00:22:28.000 You're speaking the language of a lot of New Yorkers that are terrified about the direction of their state.
00:22:35.000 And even if they're not willing to admit it, maybe they're Manhattanites or they're in Brooklyn or one of the other areas of the state that are these strongholds, they may not admit this out loud, but they are terrified of what you're describing because they know it's true.
00:22:50.000 They know hundreds of Thousands of New Yorkers have left for Florida and other places.
00:22:54.000 They know that their taxes are too high. 1.00
00:22:56.000 They know that foreigners are running the game right now. 1.00
00:22:59.000 I mean, you, and we're going to get into this public charge lawsuit that Leticia James and Mayor Mamdani are leading against the Trump administration, which is just crazy. 0.99
00:23:07.000 But I just want to say, as a note of confidence, you just nailed that and better than most.
00:23:15.000 This ad, sir, that you guys, I don't know if you put it out, I believe you did put it out.
00:23:19.000 It was phenomenal.
00:23:21.000 And I think, The setup is that it's a young girl whose dad was a firefighter during 9 11.
00:23:27.000 He rushes into the building and they find out that he doesn't make it out.
00:23:31.000 So he was killed on 9 11.
00:23:32.000 And then she watches as the city progresses through the years.
00:23:37.000 And all of a sudden, you have politicians that are cozying up to these people that planned some of the terrorist attacks or that were involved in some way, shape, or form.
00:23:47.000 And that includes Mayor Momdani, by the way.
00:23:49.000 And it was so powerful.
00:23:50.000 And I wanted to have you on to just discuss this.
00:23:53.000 Well, first of all, that was not my ad.
00:23:55.000 That was a super PAC that obviously is supporting my candidacy and pointing out the fact that Kathy Hochul endorsed Zoran Mandami.
00:24:05.000 Zoran Mandami endorsed Kathy Hochul.
00:24:08.000 My nephew was murdered on 9 11.
00:24:11.000 My nephew was an Army veteran.
00:24:14.000 He was a volunteer firefighter.
00:24:17.000 And he was a New York State court officer who was rendering first aid to a woman who was in the lobby of Tower Two when that building collapsed on him.
00:24:27.000 We never found his DNA.
00:24:29.000 We never found his body, just his gun and his badge.
00:24:33.000 And it's very personal to me.
00:24:36.000 So I think this is an important message.
00:24:38.000 Zoran Mandami, and let's call it the way it is.
00:24:42.000 Zoran Mandami is an anti Semite.
00:24:45.000 He's anti Christian and he's anti American. 0.98
00:24:48.000 He hates America.
00:24:50.000 And every day, more and more Democrats come up to me and they say, Bruce, we've never voted Republican in our life before.
00:24:58.000 We are voting for you this year. 0.61
00:25:00.000 We're voting Republican because our party is nuts.
00:25:03.000 This isn't the party of Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Ed Koch, Frank Lautenberg, even Bill Clinton, you carry, Mario Cuomo.
00:25:13.000 They loved America.
00:25:14.000 I had philosophical differences with them.
00:25:18.000 We disagreed on policy, but I knew they loved America. 0.92
00:25:21.000 The DSA hates America, and Kathy Hochul is in bed with the DSA. 0.96
00:25:26.000 And that's why a lot of common sense Democrats are going to vote for me on Election Day.
00:25:31.000 I mean, I totally agree, obviously.
00:25:33.000 And it's horrible to watch.
00:25:36.000 America, I mean, New York is supposed to be America's greatest city.
00:25:40.000 It's this bastion of capitalism and can do spirit.
00:25:44.000 That has driven so much of the innovation and the success of the American system, the American way of life. 0.97
00:25:50.000 And to watch it be captured before our very eyes by people that want to seize the means of production and they want to tax white, wealthier neighborhoods more and all of this crap. 0.92
00:25:57.000 And then they're getting into cozying up to terrorist sympathizers. 0.98
00:26:02.000 They are probably terrorist sympathizers themselves. 0.99
00:26:04.000 It's just disgusting. 0.96
00:26:05.000 Now, there's this new story that's coming out this morning.
00:26:08.000 So on September 18th, the Trump administration is doing this public charge rule.
00:26:12.000 If an immigrant is a public charge, they might go on welfare.
00:26:16.000 Food stamps, whatever, then we have the right to say, no, you can't move to America. 0.98
00:26:22.000 Mayor Mondani and about 22 other states are leading the lawsuit against the Trump administration to stop this.
00:26:28.000 Let's play this clip from the mayor, 17.
00:26:33.000 Immigrants are New Yorkers. 0.95
00:26:35.000 And like I said once before, to get to any of us, you will have to get through all of us.
00:26:40.000 That is why today we are confronting this injustice with the solidarity and action that it demands.
00:26:46.000 New York City is leading a coalition of cities and counties. including Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle, Santa Clara County, and King County, to sue the federal government for the gross illegality of their new public charge rule and the irreparable damage that it will cause.
00:27:01.000 We are filing our lawsuit alongside a separate challenge led by Attorney General James.
00:27:07.000 I'm grateful for her partnership in this fight and for everything she has done to stand steadfast alongside New Yorkers.
00:27:16.000 Your reaction, sir.
00:27:17.000 Well, Letitia James has sued me more times than President Trump, so. 1.00
00:27:22.000 I'm used to her suing me.
00:27:24.000 Look, first of all, when you are an illegal migrant in New York State, you get a free phone, free food, free housing, and free transportation, and you get more than New Yorkers get.
00:27:37.000 You haven't earned a thing, and people are fed up with it. 0.90
00:27:41.000 Kathy Hochul has spent $5 billion of our taxpayer money on people who aren't New Yorkers.
00:27:47.000 And when Zora Mandami says they're New Yorkers, they're not. 0.61
00:27:52.000 They come here, they got to land here.
00:27:55.000 15 minutes later, they get more stuff than New Yorkers get, and we're paying for it.
00:28:00.000 People are fed up with it.
00:28:01.000 We should not be a sanctuary state.
00:28:03.000 And on 1201, on January 1st, when I'm sworn in as governor, I will sign an executive order that we are no longer a sanctuary state.
00:28:12.000 Man, God bless you.
00:28:13.000 That would be an amazing deal. 0.97
00:28:15.000 Can you imagine New York State cooperating with DHS and saying, hey, if somebody gets arrested and they're illegal immigrant, we're going to cooperate and get these people? 1.00
00:28:25.000 These bad hombres out. 1.00
00:28:26.000 Can you imagine?
00:28:27.000 And by the way, the financial windfall that the state would enjoy from all those welfare recipients getting the heck out would be amazing.
00:28:36.000 God bless you.
00:28:37.000 We got your back.
00:28:38.000 We fully, fully support what you're doing.
00:28:41.000 You are within the statistical realm here.
00:28:45.000 You can do this.
00:28:47.000 You can do this, Bruce.
00:28:48.000 So, everybody, go to blakemanfornewyork.com.
00:28:51.000 Please support his campaign, support his efforts.
00:28:55.000 We do not give up on America or Americans, regardless of what state they're in.
00:28:59.000 Bruce, we got your back.
00:29:00.000 God bless you.
00:29:01.000 Thank you for taking the fight straight into the belly of the beast there.
00:29:06.000 God bless you.
00:29:07.000 God bless the memory of Charlie Kirk and God bless America.
00:29:10.000 Man, I like that Bruce guy.
00:29:12.000 I like him.
00:29:13.000 Let us know what you think.
00:29:14.000 Yeah.
00:29:15.000 Do you like him?
00:29:16.000 It's just, I remember our conversations we had with Charlie because it's so common for us.
00:29:21.000 You do get those takes that say, New York is lost, California is lost.
00:29:25.000 We should just bail and then point and laugh at what happens to them.
00:29:29.000 But these are.
00:29:31.000 Great parts of America that have tremendous achievements, tremendous things to be proud of.
00:29:36.000 And I think with New York especially, I think all of America was inspired by how New York was awful in the 70s and 80s, and Mayor Giuliani and others helped bring them back.
00:29:46.000 And then they overcame 9 11.
00:29:47.000 They became a very safe, very rich, prosperous city.
00:29:50.000 And it makes us sick to our stomach to see them on the brink of throwing that all away.
00:29:56.000 And we're inspired, but people are fighting back.
00:29:58.000 Well, you've always been more bullish on New York than California, Blake.
00:30:01.000 I'll tell you that.
00:30:02.000 A lot more.
00:30:02.000 A lot more.
00:30:03.000 It does.
00:30:04.000 And listen, New York has this kind of Common sense.
00:30:06.000 I don't know if it's, I don't know what it is, but it does have a vein of that that's pretty admirable.
00:30:11.000 So, yeah, I mean, Blake, to your point though, I mean, Bruce, Bruce has got it going on.
00:30:15.000 Like, this guy is actually a really polished speaker and communicator.
00:30:20.000 He's direct.
00:30:21.000 He pulls no punches.
00:30:23.000 That I didn't know what to make of it, but I want to hear what the audience thinks too.
00:30:26.000 So, freedom at charliekirk.com, freedom at charliekirk.com, send us your thoughts on Bruce Blakeman.
00:30:31.000 Does he have a chance?
00:30:32.000 He's within the statistical realm of possibility.
00:30:34.000 I can tell you that much.
00:30:35.000 So, that's a huge achievement right now. 0.96
00:30:37.000 And Kathy Hochel is such a mediocre. 0.98
00:30:41.000 Like non talent. 1.00
00:30:42.000 Remember, she inherited this gig.
00:30:44.000 You know, this was given to her, essentially.
00:30:47.000 Thoughts, Blake?
00:30:49.000 It's, I, as you said, I really liked him.
00:30:51.000 I also thought that ad was really interesting because looking at it, maybe I'm mistaken, but I think there was probably some AI element to it.
00:31:01.000 So I thought it's like you can get way more storytelling out of this.
00:31:05.000 It gets me thinking about how you can tell much more ambitious stories in politics with modern technology.
00:31:12.000 And I'm just glad he didn't pull the punch that a lot of people think wait, we're 25 years after 9 11, and we have this poisonous third world excuse making ideology in our politics again.
00:31:24.000 This thing that views it's a view that basically says those firefighters who ran into the World Trade Center were the problem with our city because they are disproportionately white middle class people.
00:31:36.000 The police officers who helped people on that day or died on that day, same problem.
00:31:41.000 Like it's sickening to see that ideology.
00:31:44.000 Take over New York City.
00:31:45.000 And it's sickening to see it take over New York State, which is, of course, heavily defined by New York City.
00:31:50.000 And I'm just very glad that we have very brave, gutsy people who fight against that.
00:31:55.000 And I guess it's worth pointing out the president himself is of that breed of person.
00:32:00.000 Yeah.
00:32:00.000 Well, the stakes couldn't be higher right now because you've got this.
00:32:04.000 I mean, Mayor Momdani leading this lawsuit against the federal government and public charge.
00:32:10.000 The public charge rule is the most commonsensical, prudent policy you could imagine.
00:32:16.000 It is very basic.
00:32:17.000 It should have been the rule the entire time.
00:32:19.000 If you're going to move here and you're going to be a drain on the public coffers, we don't want you.
00:32:24.000 It's as simple as that.
00:32:26.000 We got enough bills to pay, folks.
00:32:28.000 We don't need to be lining up the welfare state with more takers than givers because we're already going broke. 0.99
00:32:34.000 We can't afford this crap. 0.94
00:32:36.000 This shouldn't be controversial at all. 0.98
00:32:38.000 It speaks so much to what the priorities of the left are because it's one of those things people practically don't believe you when you tell them the left's political.
00:32:47.000 Priorities include bringing in the most helpless and impoverished people from other places, specifically because they will go on the dole, they will be extremely dependent on us, they will be a political vote reserve for us.
00:33:02.000 We just actually had an election in Sweden. 0.86
00:33:04.000 If people haven't followed this, Sweden, I know we make fun of them, they had a more conservative government that sharply restricted immigration.
00:33:11.000 That government crushed crime, that government greatly lowered immigration.
00:33:15.000 Actually, they had net out migration from Sweden for several years, and that government just lost power.
00:33:21.000 Straight up, because they had enough immigration that it just flipped the result from a 1% victory by the right to a 1% victory by the left. 0.97
00:33:29.000 It was carried entirely by these neighborhoods that were voting 90% for the left and they were all filled with migrants. 0.97
00:33:37.000 That is what the less priorities are. 1.00
00:33:40.000 And so, yes, they will fight to bring in people who are public charges.
00:33:44.000 They will fight to bring in people and keep people who are literally criminals.
00:33:50.000 Every single day, they do this.
00:33:53.000 I think there was another case.
00:33:54.000 Was it Governor Hochul?
00:33:55.000 She pardoned someone who he was a legal case about enforcing, about like deporting felons or something.
00:34:01.000 So she decided to, it was like if he could be held in custody without bail by ICE because he was a prior felon.
00:34:08.000 And so they pardoned him for that felony.
00:34:10.000 So he just wouldn't be eligible for that case going to the Supreme Court anymore.
00:34:14.000 Outrageous stuff happening all the time from the left.
00:34:17.000 Yeah, this was with Keezy Guerrero Mariano and this other guy, I won't even tempt the last name.
00:34:24.000 To block their deportations.
00:34:26.000 So these are violent criminals, convicted felons.
00:34:29.000 They will pardon them, convicted felons, violent criminals, to keep them from getting deported.
00:34:38.000 And it occurs to me, Blake, that you've got a very poor person that would come and move to America, instantly goes on welfare, food stamps, whatever.
00:34:49.000 You heard Bruce talk about it.
00:34:50.000 They get free housing, they get more stuff than New Yorkers get, right?
00:34:53.000 But it's still going to be hard for them. 0.99
00:34:55.000 And they're bringing in third world ideologies. 0.95
00:34:57.000 They're bringing in third world grievances.
00:34:59.000 They're bringing in third world tribalism. 0.98
00:35:01.000 And they are going to be ticked off living here. 0.98
00:35:04.000 I have talked to enough Uber drivers that are either illegals or newcomers to this country. 1.00
00:35:09.000 They are upset at how expensive it is. 1.00
00:35:11.000 They don't feel empowered.
00:35:13.000 They don't feel happy.
00:35:14.000 They don't feel grateful.
00:35:15.000 You are bringing in more fuel to the grievance machine that is the left's political apparatus. 0.81
00:35:21.000 Every single immigrant you bring in here that's a public charge.
00:35:24.000 It is the most non controversial take ever to say that if you cannot survive on your own once you get here, you shouldn't be here.
00:35:31.000 Did you know, and Blake knows this, that at least a third of the immigrants during the big wave between the 1880s and the 1920s, before they restricted immigration in the 1920s, they left.
00:35:42.000 They couldn't hack it.
00:35:43.000 They went home.
00:35:44.000 There was no government safety net to make sure that they were going to be fat and happy and with free debit cards full of cash.
00:35:51.000 That didn't exist. 0.63
00:35:52.000 And they were forced to assimilate. 0.95
00:35:53.000 They were expected to respect our laws.
00:35:55.000 They were expected to appreciate the beauty of America, the promise of America, and the values of America.
00:36:00.000 And if you couldn't hack it, you went home.
00:36:03.000 Now you got 22 states suing the federal government for doing something prudent.
00:36:08.000 That's the left. 0.87
00:36:10.000 They vandalize statues, they desecrate monuments, and they want foreigners to replace you.
00:36:15.000 It's literally the whole left.
00:36:19.000 I had the honor of a lifetime to call Charlie a friend.
00:36:23.000 And what I remember most wasn't just what people saw on stage, it was what was behind the scenes.
00:36:29.000 That was an unwavering commitment to his faith, his love for his family, and his genuine desire to encourage others to live with courage and conviction.
00:36:39.000 Charlie believed that following Christ wasn't something you compartmentalize.
00:36:42.000 He didn't put it in a box, he lived it out loud.
00:36:45.000 It shaped how he lived, how he served, how he treated people every single day.
00:36:50.000 Charlie Kirk, American Martyr, captures that heart.
00:36:53.000 This documentary isn't just simply about remembering Charlie.
00:36:56.000 It's an invitation for each of us to ask what kind of legacy we're building and whether we're willing to stand firm in our own faith when it's tested.
00:37:04.000 I hope that you'll watch it with your family and have those conversations together.
00:37:09.000 Go to angel.comslash Kirk.
00:37:11.000 That's angel.comslash Kirk.
00:37:13.000 Become an Angel Guild member.
00:37:15.000 Watch Charlie Kirk, American Martyr, and help bring more stories of faith, courage, and conviction to audiences around the world.
00:37:24.000 We have the great Sean Davis, CEO, founder, co founder of The Federalist, with us here to break it all down.
00:37:31.000 We're going to be talking about AI, Sean.
00:37:33.000 And I know you've got some spicy takes because you always have spicy takes.
00:37:36.000 That's why we love you.
00:37:38.000 You are the most, by the way, like normie looking spicy take generator, I think, on planet Earth.
00:37:45.000 You and Blake together.
00:37:46.000 It's something about the hair.
00:37:47.000 Something about the hair.
00:37:48.000 All right.
00:37:49.000 So let me set the table for everybody just so everybody's up to date because it was like my feed all weekend was either like vandalism.
00:37:56.000 Stories of Charlie Kirk's statue or AI is going to destroy us all.
00:38:01.000 So let's just bring this up, okay?
00:38:03.000 So in early September, it was a young guy, 27 year old, Jacob Coxon, who was a researcher at OpenAI and then Anthropic for about four months.
00:38:11.000 He resigned and left the industry.
00:38:13.000 He posted that neither company was acting responsibly, that they were racing straight to something called self improving super intelligence, where the AIs actually improved themselves and they were gambling with our lives.
00:38:28.000 So this.
00:38:29.000 Post drew about a hundred million views, by the way.
00:38:33.000 So, you had another science lead, Evan Hubinger.
00:38:39.000 He publicly agreed, saying staff really do believe AI could kill all humans.
00:38:43.000 He personally put the chance at about 10% within the next decade, and that the company does not have a plan yet for aligning superintelligence.
00:38:53.000 So, then days later, Joe Benton, led safety at Anthropic, said companies are racing to build systems much smarter than any human, and that humanity may not survive the transition.
00:39:03.000 He wants public transparency from outside of these labs.
00:39:07.000 Then Josh Angles, Google DeepMind, said there are no adults in the room.
00:39:13.000 And there were other people that have left the Anthropic Safeguard team.
00:39:16.000 There are lots of stories of these AIs jumping out of these safety parameters and actually going in and doing bad things. 0.66
00:39:23.000 China's experienced some similar things.
00:39:25.000 Then on September 12th, so two days ago, the CEO of Anthropic, Amadei, published this essay.
00:39:32.000 I believe we have the graphic.
00:39:34.000 We must pace the frontier.
00:39:36.000 He argued that capability progress now accelerated by AI helping build the next generation of AI.
00:39:42.000 So, again, this is the recursive self improvement has outrun safety work.
00:39:47.000 So, now they all want to get together with the White House.
00:39:50.000 They want to help, you know, add some regulations and some boundaries on the AI frontier.
00:39:56.000 But it has the air of what, you know, we've seen this before, Sean industry capture, where the titans and the leaders of a certain industry, you know, scream from the rooftops and they beg.
00:40:10.000 Washington to institute their forms of regulation on an industry.
00:40:14.000 So I'm open minded.
00:40:15.000 I want to have the conversation.
00:40:17.000 But Sean, what do you make of all of these AI tech titans now screaming bloody murder that this thing's running off the rails is going to erase humanity?
00:40:25.000 Give us at least a 10% chance in the next decade.
00:40:28.000 Yeah, it's been remarkable to watch.
00:40:31.000 I will just say I'm not an AI doomer, nor am I one of these AI triumphalists.
00:40:36.000 I kind of just look at AI as like a potentially Very cool tool that can be used by people who know how to use it.
00:40:44.000 You know, I think we've all read the exact same sci fi books.
00:40:48.000 We've read Asimov.
00:40:49.000 We've all seen the paperclip game.
00:40:51.000 So, like, we all kind of get theoretically the notion that AI could take over the world.
00:40:56.000 But my question is if you are Dario Amadei and you are overseeing this thing and you are worried, truly worried, legitimately, genuinely, that this Frankenstein's monster, which you have created, which is going to wreak havoc and destroy the world.
00:41:12.000 Wouldn't you have a responsibility and obligation to just go unplug it?
00:41:16.000 Like, if there's a one in 10 chance that this thing you created is going to destroy everything on earth, I don't think you would go out there and get on social media and beg for the government to regulate you.
00:41:27.000 I think you would just stop it.
00:41:29.000 And this phrase, pace the frontier, I find fascinating.
00:41:34.000 That itself is an AI phrase.
00:41:36.000 That's the kind of wording AI would come up with.
00:41:39.000 A frontier is not a thing to be paced.
00:41:43.000 It's never before been used in the human language.
00:41:46.000 And you know what?
00:41:46.000 If you're running a race and you're worried that you're going a little too fast, you can just go more slowly.
00:41:52.000 The only time, the only point at which you would worry running a race about the pace of people in the race with you is if you're worried that they are going to beat you.
00:42:02.000 And in this case, the they is open source AI, not open AI, but truly little o open sourced AI.
00:42:10.000 What is happening here is a classic case of regulatory capture where you have all the first movers with all the capital.
00:42:17.000 With all the advantages, they have decided they don't want to have to compete with anyone coming after them.
00:42:22.000 So they're going to form a cartel, get the government to regulate it, and then make everyone else get boxed out for it.
00:42:27.000 So I kind of scoff at these things that Amadei is saying.
00:42:32.000 While I acknowledge theoretically the possibility that I could go crazy, if the guy in charge of it isn't willing to shut it down because he was worried it might murder him, I am going to doubt that guy's sincerity.
00:42:43.000 That's a fair point.
00:42:44.000 And that resonates.
00:42:46.000 I would also say, though, that there does seem to be this built in if we don't do it, China's going to do it. 0.66
00:42:50.000 So we can't stop. 0.90
00:42:52.000 Kind of mentality, right?
00:42:53.000 You hear this from Trump, you hear this from Speaker Johnson.
00:42:56.000 I'll play the Trump clip because this is kind of the current state of play.
00:43:00.000 Sot 19.
00:43:01.000 Well, I say this.
00:43:01.000 Look, we're leading China in AI.
00:43:03.000 We're the most sophisticated country in the world.
00:43:06.000 And frankly, I want to keep it that way because whoever wins, AI wins.
00:43:10.000 And we can put guardrails.
00:43:12.000 We can do this and that.
00:43:13.000 But I think you have a lot of negative forces that are bringing it up that shouldn't be bringing it up.
00:43:19.000 And they're bringing up things that won't happen.
00:43:21.000 But whoever wins with AI wins.
00:43:23.000 You know, it's an expression that I came up with and it's true.
00:43:27.000 We're building billions and billions of dollars.
00:43:30.000 You look at the plants and factories, forgetting about AI for a second.
00:43:35.000 We have more auto factories under construction right now than we have had in many, many decades.
00:43:40.000 Maybe ever.
00:43:41.000 Maybe ever.
00:43:42.000 So Trump's like, hey, whoever wins AI wins.
00:43:45.000 So we don't want to slow this down.
00:43:47.000 We don't want to pace the frontier, right?
00:43:49.000 Meanwhile, you got billionaires building luxury bunkers in their Hawaii compounds and things like this.
00:43:55.000 There are people that are bracing for impact here.
00:43:59.000 And I mean, just listen to Jacob Coxon and this guy was the guy who kind of blew the whistle here at SOT 29.
00:44:04.000 So, it's not at all an exaggeration to say that the people who are involved with both founding these companies and building the tech believe there is a possibility of human extinction.
00:44:13.000 And many of the people who are sort of deep in the weeds on actually coding the thing believe that there is like a greater than 10% chance or even greater, some smaller, but they all have different numbers for a probability that humans might die.
00:44:27.000 And they will keep this in their head on a daily basis while working on the technology.
00:44:32.000 And is that what you believe?
00:44:35.000 I believe that if we don't slow down at the current rate of progress, yes, there is a strong chance that we could all die in the immediate future.
00:44:43.000 So, this, I mean, that is not somebody that runs the company.
00:44:46.000 Apparently, he exited before he was vested, which seems to be a note of credibility for him.
00:44:52.000 He didn't take the money and then speak up.
00:44:55.000 He's speaking up now.
00:44:56.000 I mean, does that make you rethink your basic premise there, Sean?
00:45:00.000 Not really.
00:45:00.000 This is a guy who was there for a short amount of time.
00:45:03.000 Look, it takes years to vest.
00:45:04.000 So, if he left before then, who's to say why he left?
00:45:07.000 He may have just not liked it or maybe he wasn't very good at it.
00:45:09.000 But when you have someone with no real social media presence come out, with no real history at the company come out, instantly get 100 million views, again, despite no real track record on social media, within, I believe, 12 minutes of that tweet being out, his original one, we had multiple senators putting out press releases with the same thing.
00:45:27.000 Now we have Chuck Schumer asking for summits on it.
00:45:31.000 And then suddenly within like three days, we have a White House meeting on it.
00:45:34.000 That to me is like a classic coordinated operation to get to a predetermined destination.
00:45:40.000 And I'm sorry, I just don't buy it.
00:45:42.000 Even if he's right, I don't buy this.
00:45:44.000 Thing, yeah, Hakeem Jeffries is also coming out saying we need to slow down.
00:45:48.000 So, seems like all the people I don't trust are buying into this idea, Blake.
00:45:56.000 Your thoughts on all this AI discussion?
00:45:58.000 There's so many, but Sean, I think one of the most interesting theories I've seen about this operation is very clear, it feels very coordinated.
00:46:07.000 As you said, that guy got 50 million views or whatever on his post almost instantly, he had no footprint.
00:46:15.000 Clearly, there was planning in the background of this.
00:46:17.000 But one of the most interesting theories I've heard is that we're not on the brink of super intelligence, AGI, whatever you want to call it, but rather that one of that Anthropic has realized actually we're not going to get that breakout. 0.50
00:46:33.000 We are hitting a ceiling of how far we're able to go.
00:46:36.000 But if we announce that we're dialing back our efforts on this, it's going to look very bad that we're the one who are giving up.
00:46:44.000 We're popping the bubble.
00:46:45.000 Basically, that AI is a bubble, but the only way we survive the crash is if we get.
00:46:49.000 Everyone to slow down at the same time.
00:46:52.000 And the only way they can do that is oh, we've reached this agreement to pace the frontier, as they say.
00:46:59.000 Do you have any thoughts on that theory?
00:47:01.000 I hadn't thought about that.
00:47:02.000 That is kind of fascinating that they're trying to create an artificial cap to get around the fact that maybe they're not progressing as much as they liked.
00:47:10.000 I find that somewhat intriguing because it would explain.
00:47:13.000 Well, I'll just back up and say anytime stuff like this happens, I'm trying to find the central idea that would explain all of the different behavior and claims.
00:47:22.000 So I like this because it similarly explains why they're acting like this.
00:47:27.000 But I had the thought listening to that selection from Trump where he was talking about AI.
00:47:34.000 In very similar terms to how we talked about nuclear weapons for 50 years, and how we talked about how if they fell into the wrong hands, it would be pandemonium and the world would die.
00:47:45.000 And what I find interesting about that is if you believe that, then doesn't it become necessary to instantly nationalize all of the AI assets?
00:47:53.000 If this is something that is so dangerous, akin to weaponizing plutonium in uranium, then it's not just enough to have it controlled by a couple of market participants like OpenAI or Anthropic.
00:48:06.000 At this point, it would seem too dangerous to be held by civilians at all.
00:48:10.000 So we should probably just go and nationalize Anthropic because if we can't trust them to not destroy the world, clearly that's not an asset they need to have any control over. 0.98
00:48:20.000 And yet they're not asking for that at all. 0.62
00:48:22.000 The guy Jacob, who thinks it's going to destroy humanity, he's not asking for that at all.
00:48:26.000 They're not talking about canceling their IPO.
00:48:29.000 That's the big thing that's coming up.
00:48:32.000 And speaking of not being able to trust them, we've separately had over the past few months, there is the Hugging Face incident.
00:48:38.000 If you guys aren't familiar with that, that's one of these incidents.
00:48:41.000 AI trained agents kind of broke out and tried to hack another company while being trained.
00:48:47.000 And it appears there are other incidents that are similarly.
00:48:50.000 And the example I can think of is if we, let's say somehow nuclear weapons were developed by a private company, and then they said, guys, we have problems.
00:48:59.000 We just keep detonating these nuclear weapons and they're dropping fallout everywhere.
00:49:03.000 Well, won't someone, we need to slow down on nuclear weapons to stop these detonations from endangering the public.
00:49:10.000 And you just kind of look and go, have you guys considered?
00:49:13.000 Not setting off nuclear weapons near cities, not doing wildly dangerous things.
00:49:17.000 Or if they were saying, if you're a firearms maker and you're testing them by just going outside and spraying your gun wherever, and if it hits someone, that's too bad.
00:49:27.000 It feels like they're warning us about these dangers, and these dangers feel entirely generated by the companies themselves.
00:49:36.000 And they use that as an argument for giving them more power because they 100% want to be in the room writing all these regulations that they're proposing.
00:49:43.000 Well, Blake, you're really into game theory, and you.
00:49:46.000 You can just imagine some of these AI tech entrepreneurs giving game theory prompts to their own AIs and playing out this scenario.
00:49:56.000 And if there is some vast conspiracy, maybe they've gamed this all out and AIs helped them do it.
00:50:01.000 I'm just throwing it out there.
00:50:03.000 Because I think some of this might come off as too complex, too many steps ahead, 5D chess.
00:50:10.000 No, no, no.
00:50:11.000 These AIs could help them play this stuff out the whole way.
00:50:14.000 By the way, JD Vance is their group.
00:50:16.000 JD Vance is.
00:50:17.000 Yeah.
00:50:18.000 They're just really vulnerable when you interact with these people.
00:50:21.000 A lot of them, they are very smart, but they do use AI a lot.
00:50:26.000 I think they cook their brains a little bit.
00:50:27.000 I think so, too.
00:50:28.000 Here's JD Vance calling a little BS on this, just like you did, Sean.
00:50:33.000 He's singing your song here, SOT 10.
00:50:35.000 Something that we're concerned by, but we want to make sure that we actually regulate smartly and we're thoughtful about the risk here.
00:50:43.000 So there are obviously risks to AI, there are some benefits to AI.
00:50:48.000 I have to say, just personally, I feel a little bit.
00:50:51.000 Weird about the fact that you have so many frontier AI tech companies kind of coming to the government and begging the government to regulate them.
00:50:59.000 It feels a little bit to me like a bit of a Trojan horse.
00:51:02.000 So I think we just have to be careful about this.
00:51:04.000 I think that's prudent.
00:51:06.000 And to both of your basic takes here, I want to play this clip because I think it's amazing.
00:51:11.000 This is the Amazon robot driving off a pier, literally.
00:51:15.000 SOT 20.
00:51:27.000 That's real.
00:51:28.000 Sean, is that video the human race falling into the sea, or is that AI hitting a bubble in this elaborate scheme to pull the wool over all of our eyes?
00:51:38.000 I mean, was Joe Biden driving it?
00:51:40.000 I don't know.
00:51:43.000 I don't think that particular thing is a metaphor for anything.
00:51:45.000 Technology fails, stuff doesn't work, machines wig out.
00:51:50.000 This whole thing, there's something about it that feels so manufactured to go from zero to hysteria overnight.
00:51:58.000 There's always something else.
00:51:59.000 Going on.
00:52:00.000 And I'm reminded by a very famous JP Morgan quote, JP Morgan, the banker, who said, Every man has two reasons for everything he does a good reason and the real reason.
00:52:12.000 So Dario and the AI guys have given us the good reason.
00:52:15.000 I would like to know what the real reason is.
00:52:17.000 I think that's a great place to leave it.
00:52:19.000 Sean Davis, The Federalist, a great American institution.
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00:52:24.000 We'll talk to you again soon, Sean.
00:52:26.000 Thank you, sir.
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00:53:51.000 What if we ran our world like we run a kindergarten classroom?
00:53:55.000 Because at the end of the day, aren't we all just really big kindergartners?
00:54:00.000 That's James Talrico, who I'm told has a credible shot of becoming a senator out of the state of Texas.
00:54:07.000 Can somebody say Nanny State?
00:54:09.000 Because that's really what we mean there.
00:54:11.000 He wants everybody to behave like kindergartners.
00:54:13.000 Rich Barris is about to help us break it all down and more.
00:54:16.000 Rich, give me the hard news first.
00:54:19.000 Give me the hard news first.
00:54:20.000 Tal Rico, he actually has a chance, doesn't he?
00:54:24.000 He does, indeed.
00:54:26.000 A serious chance.
00:54:27.000 At this point, look, let me just put it plain. 0.90
00:54:31.000 If we don't get young men to vote, Tal Rico's going to win.
00:54:35.000 And so are a lot of other people. 0.94
00:54:36.000 It's the plain truth of it.
00:54:39.000 You know, the midterm convention, I think, was a good idea.
00:54:44.000 I think it was something new, which is why we didn't dump all the polling like you saw others do last week, Andrew.
00:54:48.000 We didn't do that.
00:54:49.000 We were in the field.
00:54:50.000 We'll show people the baselines, the benchmarks for both.
00:54:53.000 But we went through the weekend and wrapping up today.
00:54:56.000 We have a ton of states coming out.
00:54:58.000 We have our new national benchmark coming out.
00:55:00.000 But we intentionally, I just honestly can't believe pollsters did do that right after Labor Day, knowing a convention was coming, which was historic.
00:55:08.000 Nobody's ever done before.
00:55:09.000 And given that we've seen polling bumps with conventions for presidential cycles, I thought the prudent thing as a pollster to do was to wait.
00:55:17.000 And see if there was a bump.
00:55:18.000 Did you see a bump?
00:55:20.000 The bump is very small.
00:55:22.000 It could be noise.
00:55:24.000 We'll see.
00:55:25.000 Without a doubt, though, it's small.
00:55:28.000 But it was probably a move in the right direction, right?
00:55:30.000 I mean, I got energy listening to RFK Jr.
00:55:34.000 I think that tweet that I did, his full speech was amazing, by the way.
00:55:38.000 Everybody should check it out.
00:55:39.000 So was the last one.
00:55:39.000 I think he got like 2 million engagements or something.
00:55:41.000 People were energized by this stuff.
00:55:42.000 I thought Vance did a great job.
00:55:44.000 I thought Don Jr. did a great job.
00:55:46.000 There were a lot of good speeches, and it fired me up.
00:55:49.000 It actually fired me up.
00:55:50.000 Check this out, Rich.
00:55:51.000 Let me just say real quick that there is evidence.
00:55:54.000 There is evidence.
00:55:55.000 It did fire up a part of the Republican base.
00:55:57.000 There's just no doubt.
00:55:59.000 We've been tracking them at like 29, 30% of the electorate, which is a dive from 40% since November of 2024.
00:56:05.000 They're back up to 34%.
00:56:07.000 You know, the problem is, you know, the independent vote.
00:56:10.000 And what we need to see is that energy start to drift into the independent vote because the truth is, each party has their own leaners, guys.
00:56:17.000 There's a very small amount that's truly independent.
00:56:20.000 And if you got it, you got to get your energy up first.
00:56:22.000 And then that bleeds into your independence, which will shrink the margin that your opponent's winning them by.
00:56:28.000 So that's what we have to see.
00:56:29.000 And it is moving in the right direction, has.
00:56:31.000 Oh, that's good.
00:56:32.000 Well, speaking of energy and all of that, Rich, so you say whether the polls show a bump in the way you might in a presidential year, were people watching it?
00:56:42.000 Were people compared to the presidential ones, which it does seem get tens of millions of viewers?
00:56:47.000 Did a lot of people tune in to see those speeches?
00:56:50.000 In particular, did people who are not, as Charlie would say, four out of four Republicans, did those people tune in and see what was being said?
00:56:59.000 Honestly, Blake, it was compared to a presidential.
00:57:02.000 I think we expected it to be less, but not that.
00:57:06.000 It's not as much as if you're on the right, you would have hoped for.
00:57:09.000 But any amount counts.
00:57:11.000 I mean, some of these races will be decided by a half a point.
00:57:15.000 So we may look back and say, you know what?
00:57:18.000 Getting Republicans juiced, save that seat, save that district.
00:57:22.000 So, you know, I don't want to downplay it at all at this point.
00:57:26.000 You know, I thought the vice president gave a barn burner too.
00:57:29.000 I thought it might even be the best speech of his career.
00:57:31.000 I'd have to go back and look at the clarion again.
00:57:33.000 Which was also really good.
00:57:34.000 But the president was hilarious.
00:57:36.000 It was textbook Trump.
00:57:38.000 The meat Tallarico thing was hilarious.
00:57:41.000 You know, yeah, you have to juice your own baseball system.
00:57:45.000 JD telling that protester with the Mexican flag to get the hell out of him by a plane ticket. 0.96
00:57:50.000 Yeah, that was great. 0.97
00:57:52.000 So here's an interesting development.
00:57:54.000 I did not predict this.
00:57:55.000 Remember that the Senate Leadership Fund spent $100 million against Ken Paxton.
00:58:01.000 $100 million.
00:58:03.000 Now, you can't make this stuff up.
00:58:05.000 At least now they're coming in with a $50.2 million buy.
00:58:09.000 Throw up $168.
00:58:10.000 The current amount of ad spend from the Senate leadership funds, Texas PAC, in the Texas Senate race in their markets, totals $50.2 million.
00:58:19.000 That's no joke, Rich.
00:58:21.000 I know it's late.
00:58:23.000 The hour is late.
00:58:24.000 But again, we're talking about incremental half point, half point.
00:58:28.000 Can we get it over the top?
00:58:29.000 This is a big development, is it not?
00:58:32.000 It is.
00:58:33.000 And you're going to have some people who are mad, who are going to say, you know what?
00:58:36.000 They could have Spent 150 if they didn't spend 100 to assassinate Ken Paxton's character.
00:58:41.000 Right.
00:58:41.000 But we are where we are, guys.
00:58:43.000 And I got to tell you, that announcement came from weeks of hard work behind the scenes from a lot of different people coming at them from all sides, effectively shaming the Republican establishment class, the donor establishment class, shaming them, shaming leaders, and basically threatening is another way to put it.
00:59:01.000 Like, look, if you do this, and I'm not going to get into phone calls I have had in the past couple of weeks, but I don't care if you like Ken Paxton or not.
00:59:09.000 Let me put this as clearly as I can to everybody right now.
00:59:12.000 Texas is the biggest electoral college vote piece in the Republican coalition puzzle.
00:59:17.000 If you lose this Senate race this time, you will embolden Democrats.
00:59:21.000 I have seen this story happen over the years many times.
00:59:24.000 Virginia, actually, California, Virginia, Georgia, and then they become incredibly difficult to come back.
00:59:31.000 Colorado, Nevada just came back, and it's a hard battleground state each time.
00:59:35.000 Which state?
00:59:35.000 Arizona.
00:59:35.000 They were trying to do that because Arizona.
00:59:37.000 We can't afford to lose this state.
00:59:40.000 If you lose it, they will go hard for it in 28, and we don't have very many people that can hold it if you want the honest truth.
00:59:46.000 I mean, everyone thinks demographics stay at a time, they don't.
00:59:50.000 You know, it would be, you need to hold a state.
00:59:52.000 This is the line.
00:59:53.000 So, this is the line.
00:59:54.000 Paxton cannot lose this race.
00:59:56.000 All right.
00:59:56.000 I totally agree.
00:59:57.000 I'm going to get Ken on the show this week because we want to do our part because it's too important.
01:00:02.000 Okay.
01:00:03.000 So, too important.
01:00:04.000 Now, let's look at Michigan.
01:00:06.000 Now, you've got Rodgers had some polling that showed him up.
01:00:11.000 El Sayed is dealing with this.
01:00:12.000 I know.
01:00:13.000 I know.
01:00:13.000 You've never been bullish on it.
01:00:14.000 I just want to.
01:00:15.000 Cards on the table. 0.86
01:00:16.000 But El Sayed is dealing with some nasty Hassan Piker vibes. 0.99
01:00:22.000 He's not disavowing him. 0.98
01:00:23.000 Everybody asks him about that time and time again.
01:00:25.000 He's a smooth talker.
01:00:26.000 By the way, I saw some tweet.
01:00:27.000 I'm stealing this from him, but it's so true.
01:00:30.000 If you watch, and Blake will agree, I'm pretty sure. 0.98
01:00:33.000 If you watch any Democrat, they're all just trying to do their best Obama impersonation.
01:00:37.000 It's all like, yes, bootleg Obama.
01:00:40.000 But Cal Rico's doing it.
01:00:42.000 El Syed's doing it.
01:00:43.000 Hakeem Jeffries does it.
01:00:44.000 All of them do it.
01:00:46.000 But El Syed, he thinks he can be Obama.
01:00:49.000 I just, the good people of Michigan, for the love, do not put this guy in. 0.94
01:00:54.000 He's the biggest snake on the board. 0.92
01:00:56.000 And he's, by the way, he'll abort children until they're like a year old. 0.94
01:00:59.000 I mean, this is what these guys are doing.
01:01:01.000 Anyways, I know you're not bullish on it, but give me the landscape.
01:01:07.000 I'll be honest with you.
01:01:08.000 Next door, I'm more bullish on Minnesota, and I will give you the landscape on Michigan, but I really do think there was a poll out last week.
01:01:15.000 Everyone got a little shocked because that same poll had Florida close, but also had Minnesota close.
01:01:20.000 We're going to have Minnesota pretty close, too.
01:01:22.000 I'm just being real.
01:01:23.000 And I think it's because, yes, Democrats elected Peggy Flanagan when we were pulling for Lindell over the summer, which I wish Lindell would have done another poll before the election.
01:01:32.000 But.
01:01:32.000 When we were polling over the summer, we could very clearly see that Angie Craig was a much stronger candidate.
01:01:38.000 And by much stronger, I say she was beating Telfoya by like Michelle Telfoya by like 17 points.
01:01:43.000 And then between Michelle and Peggy Flanagan, that race tightened to like low single digits. 0.99
01:01:49.000 She is a flawed candidate. 0.95
01:01:50.000 So it's a margin of error race?
01:01:52.000 It's like five.
01:01:54.000 In our poll, it's going to be like five seven.
01:01:55.000 You know, bear with me, but it's close, Andrew.
01:01:58.000 It's close.
01:01:58.000 So, okay, that's interesting.
01:02:00.000 And there are third parties on that ballot as well.
01:02:02.000 And Minnesota has a long history of voting for third parties.
01:02:05.000 Now, The same will be true of Michigan, but this is the problem.
01:02:08.000 And Minnesota, people could say, well, Rich, it's the same thing.
01:02:12.000 It's just that what is the state that voted for Bernie Sanders and upset was the biggest midterm presidential, excuse me, it was the biggest presidential primary era since Gary Hart in New Hampshire decades before?
01:02:25.000 Which state overshocked the world and voted for Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton, even though she had a huge lead?
01:02:32.000 That was the state of Michigan.
01:02:33.000 Which state, many of those voters that were openly calling themselves socialists, Then drifted over to Donald Trump instead of voting for the establishment left wing candidate Hillary Clinton in the fall.
01:02:45.000 That was, I mean, it's the state of Michigan.
01:02:47.000 The southeastern Michigan is a funny animal, guys.
01:02:50.000 And the Ann Arbor area has gotten significantly more liberal over time.
01:02:56.000 There's a reason he's not disavowing or whatever you want to call it, Hassan Piker.
01:03:00.000 And it's because there are 140,000, 150,000 Muslim votes there. 0.66
01:03:05.000 And they're really pissed about the war.
01:03:07.000 And he doesn't want to upset a part of his base that he knows he can count on to come out.
01:03:12.000 And, you know, I look, I take this guy as a bigger threat than most, I think, because at the end of the day, and we're doing the political violence survey again, at the end of the day, Democrats, even if they call themselves moderate, they don't cross over.
01:03:28.000 They didn't cross over for Mayoris for the Attorney General's race in Virginia.
01:03:35.000 They lied to us about a week until, two weeks until the election.
01:03:38.000 And they said, I may cross over, I may not vote.
01:03:40.000 At the end of the day, they did.
01:03:42.000 And they voted for Jay Jones, who fantasized about killing his political opponent. 0.84
01:03:46.000 The problem with El Sayed that I'm worried about is very much like a reverse Donald Trump problem. 0.85
01:03:51.000 He's not only going to get those voters who can hem and haw all they want, but they won't cross over. 0.92
01:03:56.000 He's also going to get some voters that we don't see coming. 0.90
01:03:59.000 And that's my fear with El Sayed.
01:04:00.000 It's my fear with all these DSA candidates. 0.75
01:04:03.000 The party is a supermajority socialist party, and the media doesn't want to talk about it, but it's true.
01:04:08.000 We've tracked it longer than anybody.
01:04:09.000 It's like 66%.
01:04:10.000 I told you, I don't believe that.
01:04:12.000 I told you, I believe that.
01:04:15.000 They're fanatics.
01:04:16.000 Guys, I'm going to quickly, really, really quickly tell a story, and I can see the clock ticking down.
01:04:21.000 Democrats wiped the floor with Republicans in Pennsylvania over this last 25 off cycle.
01:04:26.000 They took control of school boards.
01:04:28.000 They took control of county supervisors, township supervisors, different over there, Commonwealth.
01:04:33.000 They literally put together PBS, not exactly Fox News, put together a documentary to talk about these school fights over COVID.
01:04:41.000 They used raw power, and they just went and canceled it, knowing they could piss off.
01:04:47.000 Larry over at PBS, knowing they could piss off Richard May, who's the director, they didn't care.
01:04:52.000 They said, We don't want people to see how nuts we are.
01:04:55.000 You're not allowed to do your premiere at the community college.
01:04:59.000 So, two years is not that long of a time.
01:05:03.000 I think we all have forgotten what it's like when Democrats govern, and we all need to wake up right now.
01:05:07.000 I think that's so true.
01:05:08.000 Our attention spans are like this.
01:05:11.000 Don't forget what they did to us. 0.62
01:05:15.000 The 5,000 is going to happen 100%.
01:05:23.000 And the reason is because our country.
01:05:29.000 All right, that's President Trump doubling down on something he said at the midterm RNC, which is that he, if we hold the House and the Senate, and obviously we've got the presidency for two more years, if we keep control, he's going to reward the country with $5,000 dividend checks.
01:05:46.000 Rich, a question for you How is that polling?
01:05:50.000 Because as a deficit hawk, instantly I'm like, hold on.
01:05:54.000 We can't be printing money out of thin air.
01:05:56.000 That's how we got ourselves in this mess.
01:05:59.000 But for normies, and they hear, oh, it's maybe $5,000 for me, $5,000 for my spouse, that's $10,000.
01:06:07.000 That could make a big difference in normal people's lives.
01:06:10.000 Does it play well?
01:06:12.000 Look, first, the idea of it, it does.
01:06:15.000 Now, $5K is not $2K.
01:06:16.000 And I was talking to Mark Mitchell about this.
01:06:18.000 We had both done the $2K one last year.
01:06:21.000 And most people actually said, at $2,000, just give it back to the Treasury and help pay down the deficit.
01:06:28.000 5K is a little different.
01:06:30.000 And I think that there's a lot of people that are in a lot of trouble and hurting pretty badly in this country.
01:06:35.000 I just quote tweeted the president's post about this on True Social with generally like just the reality of it, which is I don't think it's good policy either.
01:06:44.000 Okay.
01:06:45.000 But it is good politics.
01:06:47.000 And we're in deep trap. 0.99
01:06:48.000 We're in deep crap. 0.98
01:06:49.000 So, you know, Democrats are going to come in and they're going to try to talk about freebies up and down, Andrew. 0.98
01:06:54.000 So until we learn how to slide back the, you know, like the New Deal and until we learn how to slide back this culture that is, Taking root in our country, you know, they might as well just line up behind Trump.
01:07:05.000 Because let me tell you what the voters said on this.
01:07:07.000 A couple of things.
01:07:08.000 One, there's a credibility issue, which is why Republicans should get back to Congress and lean into what the president's saying and try to actually pass something to make it look like they're behind him in something, some way, shape, or form, because there's a credibility issue.
01:07:21.000 And people said, look, Republicans promised us this a few times already and we didn't get it.
01:07:26.000 The other thing that people said was, you know, like as far as that argument, you know, in response to what you're saying, people would respond like very simply if you can write a blank check to a government, this government, that government, Ukraine, Israel, you can give me 5K.
01:07:42.000 If you can give corporate corporations who are making billions of dollars, Fortune 500 companies, all of these tax breaks, you can give me 5K.
01:07:50.000 And I know that's not what conservatives want to hear.
01:07:52.000 I know.
01:07:53.000 So it's sort of like bad policy, good politics to sum it up.
01:07:57.000 Blake, I know where I am on this myself, brother.
01:08:00.000 It's bad policy.
01:08:01.000 What I worry, Rich, it may pull well.
01:08:05.000 It may even, maybe I could bail us out on this one.
01:08:07.000 Do you worry it's, for lack of a better idiom, it's eating the seed corn of politics that it does feel like 5K for everyone?
01:08:15.000 I think the figure was a $1.5 trillion total figure.
01:08:20.000 The Republicans probably won't pass that next year, even if they win. 0.87
01:08:25.000 And then you'd go into 28, and the number one thing they can say is, well, they lied about that, and you're just screwed.
01:08:30.000 Well, that's ultimately a problem with the Republican Party, though.
01:08:35.000 I mean, of course, I do worry about that, but I think I worry more that we're going to lose, you know, and they're going to do this, period.
01:08:41.000 They're going to do that and worse.
01:08:43.000 I mean, Blake, I just did an interview with Newt Gingrich before me, was another gentleman.
01:08:47.000 I actually didn't look at it.
01:08:49.000 Realize how fast we're approaching 50 trillion, and then listening to the gentleman on what is pushing that.
01:08:55.000 Conservatives love to talk about the nanny state, which is true, and rightfully, they should.
01:09:01.000 But the military spending in this country, the military industrial complex is raping this country.
01:09:06.000 And most people aren't going to care about the debt that's being racked up from Social Security or some health care program when there's all of this money that nobody ever even dares to talk about touching.
01:09:19.000 So, we're going to lose this argument and then lose these elections.
01:09:23.000 And then it's just going to be, you know, free money for everybody until the thing comes cranking down.
01:09:29.000 So, I mean, it's unfortunate product to where we are, you know, right now.
01:09:33.000 We still got to balance the budget.
01:09:34.000 I'm committed to that completely as a conservative.
01:09:38.000 But bad policy, good politics.
01:09:40.000 Okay.
01:09:40.000 Second thing.
01:09:41.000 Yeah.
01:09:42.000 They're attributing this to JD Vance.
01:09:44.000 I'm not sure what the backstory is.
01:09:46.000 But he's saying, hey, let's provide some money to, you know, Married couples where the mom stays at home, the dad goes to work, and instead of sending your kids to government run daycare centers, this is going to help offset some of the costs for working families.
01:10:01.000 Thoughts on that? 0.65
01:10:02.000 Good policy?
01:10:03.000 Good, good, good politics?
01:10:06.000 Listen, if it's what I heard the vice president talking about, and I, and you said you, and I'm just being clear because you said I'm not sure whether they're attributing this to him, but I did hear something that he said that is on this policy.
01:10:18.000 And if it's that, then that's ladder politics, clear as can be.
01:10:22.000 And I know you can't read the title right there, but, um, We're just in a period, guys.
01:10:26.000 The age of ideology is over.
01:10:29.000 So, this idea that we're going to like roll back the clock with conservative principles, it's just not going to happen.
01:10:35.000 So, you know, this we don't have to give people a handout, but there is a difference between a handout and a hand up.
01:10:41.000 And given the deficit that we put young people and young families in through no fault of their own, let's be real, they didn't, you know, they didn't stack on like young millennial family didn't stack on this trillions and trillions in debt, they didn't put these programs together.
01:10:57.000 Until we handle that, And address that, then it's going to be the reality of our world.
01:11:03.000 You know, you try to talk about tax cuts for corporations that are going to, you know, give fans.
01:11:07.000 Yes, it does.
01:11:08.000 Yes.
01:11:09.000 This has long been a winning issue.
01:11:11.000 I remember Ivanka and Trump 1.0, the president's daughter, tried to do something similar.
01:11:17.000 She got met with a lot of resistance from the traditional conservative wing of the party, and it hurt them.
01:11:24.000 It hurt them.
01:11:25.000 It hurts their brand because voters are left wondering who controls this party?
01:11:30.000 What do you guys believe in?
01:11:31.000 Yeah.
01:11:31.000 No, I get it.
01:11:32.000 I worry that we're confusing people about our principles.
01:11:35.000 I really do.
01:11:37.000 We also have a midterm to win.
01:11:39.000 And so.
01:11:39.000 We got to figure this out.
01:11:40.000 So, I want to go through the issues.
01:11:41.000 Okay.
01:11:42.000 Now, AI data centers, flock cameras.
01:11:46.000 Now, after watching the vandalism to Charlie's camera, like all of a sudden, I'm like, do we have flock cameras around here?
01:11:50.000 Yeah.
01:11:51.000 Yeah.
01:11:52.000 10P got rid of them relatively recently.
01:11:54.000 But, but my question is if you're going to support them, I, so here's my idea on flock cameras.
01:11:59.000 If you have a per capita murder rate over a certain amount, then you get flock cameras.
01:12:03.000 Okay.
01:12:03.000 That, like, deal with that first.
01:12:05.000 Like crime stat.
01:12:06.000 Yeah.
01:12:07.000 Like crime stat.
01:12:07.000 Yeah.
01:12:07.000 This is where I was going to go with this, honestly.
01:12:10.000 And I think maybe this, maybe, you know, uh, Surprising for some people to hear, but I have my pollster hat on and then I have my own views.
01:12:16.000 I know flock people will instantly look at it like, oh, it's a surveillance state.
01:12:21.000 Not if it's not hurting your own people.
01:12:23.000 This is politics.
01:12:25.000 You reward people who vote for you and support you, and you don't care about the rest if they're never going to support you.
01:12:32.000 This should be in urban areas of high crime.
01:12:34.000 Look, guys, look what happened with GoPros and body cams for police officers and ICE. 0.78
01:12:40.000 Thank you, NAACP. 0.88
01:12:42.000 Yeah.
01:12:43.000 I mean, but that again, it's like we try to talk about these issues.
01:12:46.000 But do they poll well, Rich?
01:12:48.000 Do they poll well?
01:12:49.000 They only poll reasonably well if you're talking about them in urban areas to prevent crime.
01:12:56.000 They don't poll well everywhere because people are like, well, this is another red light idea.
01:13:00.000 This is a big deal.
01:13:01.000 15 seconds, Rich.
01:13:02.000 Data centers, if you proposition that they bring down energy costs at the same time, does that flip the script?
01:13:09.000 Because they're very unpopular.
01:13:10.000 You got to couple that with the idea of like the nuclear age, the debate over the nuclear age.
01:13:15.000 People didn't want them, but then we fell behind. 0.91
01:13:17.000 You got to have both.
01:13:18.000 Otherwise, it doesn't work.
01:13:19.000 Rich Barris, burn it down. 0.81
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01:13:24.000 Rich, you're the man.
01:13:25.000 We'll talk to you soon.
01:13:26.000 Thanks, guys.
01:13:27.000 All the best.
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