Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Rep. Ana Paulina Luna (D-Florida) joins the show as we break down the latest in the ongoing fight between the Intelligence Community and President Trump over declassification of documents related to JFK, RFK, and 9/11.
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00:01:42.000Charlie, this has been wild to see unfold in real time.
00:01:46.000So I was actually responding to a tweet that you'd posted, but to have CNN reporting that there are actual agents at the CIA that would even consider...
00:01:55.000Selling our classified information because they don't like President Trump, they don't like Republicans in the White House to our foreign adversaries.
00:02:03.000I genuinely believe this, that that is treason, that they will be held accountable.
00:02:07.000So my message to them is if you do that, you will have the full might and force of the law against you and you will be held accountable, whether that's going to prison or I would argue even harsher penalties, Charlie.
00:02:21.000But also to remember, less than a week ago or about a week ago, A week ago, I was announced as taking over the task force to be the action arm for President Trump and aid in the declassification efforts of the JFK, Martin Luther King, and RFK files, and then also pushing for declassification on other things covering Epstein to 9-11 to COVID-19, etc.
00:02:47.000After that task force was announced, it seemed like there was a mass effort to really push back against the task force even though we don't hold declassification authority to try to undermine our efforts in executing President Trump's agenda.
00:03:01.000And then we find out 24 hours after the task force is announced that the FBI finds thousands of pages of documents related to that declassification executive order.
00:03:11.000And then we find out last night that an FBI whistleblower, Garrett O'Boyle, comes forward and says that he has knowledge that there are people at the FBI who, prior to Kash Patel's nomination and confirmation, that they were deleting and destroying evidence related to the documents that we were requesting.
00:03:30.000So there's absolutely an intelligence war happening.
00:03:33.000And what I can tell you, Charlie, is had President Trump not gotten elected, I do believe that we would have lost this country.
00:03:41.000And so supposedly our intel agencies are very, very concerned with leaks, information security, and so on.
00:03:48.000But in reality, of course, they love leaks.
00:03:50.000And so yesterday, CNN had a very long article claiming that if Trump cuts the budget of the CIA, it would expose the nation's secrets because the CIA employees will go rogue and sell our secrets to foreign powers.
00:04:02.000In other words, our intel community, our hostage takers, give us money we want or else.
00:04:11.000And I can tell you, Charlie, that when I saw that as a veteran, as someone that was subject to the UCM day where treason is death.
00:04:18.000I take that very seriously, and I actually have my team filing, as we speak, legislation to increase the mandatory minimum for leaking secrets to foreign adversaries from the intelligence agency as a death penalty.
00:04:29.000These are times that we cannot afford operatives like this being selfish and taking their own political agenda at the expense of the American people.
00:04:40.000When you leak classified information like that, you can potentially cause wars.
00:04:53.000And what I can also tell you, Charlie, is when I first got to Washington, I was actually told by other well-known, respected conservative members that, you know, outlets like The Washington Post, CNN, Politico, that they were mouthpieces for the intelligence agencies.
00:05:06.000Now we find that USAID was funding some of these outlets.
00:05:10.000That was also taxpayer funds that were largely unvetted, unchecked.
00:05:14.000And now we're also finding that they are basically preparing people potentially for these leaks.
00:05:18.000And so I have faith in the new directors of these intelligence agencies, but it doesn't mean that within their own agencies they're not facing deep, deep resistance from people that are simply un-American.
00:05:28.000And so this does need to be held, taken seriously, and also these people do need to be held accountable.
00:05:33.000I have faith that Cash and also our new secretary will be flushing this out.
00:05:37.000But remember, if you're interfering also with a congressional investigation, which is what they're actively doing, Those are contempt of Congress proceedings.
00:05:46.000And so I actually also spoke with the Oversight Task Force, and they are talking to Chairman Comer about marking up contempt of Congress charges once we figure out who these individuals are.
00:05:55.000So whether it's from us, the Department of Justice, or from within the agencies, they are definitely in for a world of pain.
00:06:01.000So people want to know about the Epstein client list.
00:06:05.000Do you think we're going to get the goods and information of who visited Epstein's Island and who was on the plane?
00:06:10.000I initially thought we would because I had faith that Cash would give us whatever documents that he had.
00:06:16.000Now we're finding out for that whistleblower, and I'm actually talking to the whistleblower in about 10 minutes here directly to figure out if we can get leads on who those names are.
00:06:25.000Now we're finding out that potentially there was destruction of evidence, but as you saw over the weekend...
00:06:30.000Pam Bondi, our attorney general, she actually said that she was reviewing documents and that they were on her desk.
00:06:36.000And so we've been largely pushing for the declassification of these documents.
00:07:00.000If you look at the people that he was involved with and the prison that he was in, that that could have happened.
00:07:07.000And so, you know, I think that there's a lot of powers at play here.
00:07:10.000Obviously, we did not anticipate that these people would be doing it so out in the open, but apparently they're destroying evidence.
00:07:18.000And so this is a big this is a big deal.
00:07:21.000I think that the American people need to understand the gravity of what this means and also understand that within our own agencies, our trusted agencies that are supposed to be there to defend and protect us, that they're actively fighting against what President Trump wants for this country and transparency for the American people.
00:07:37.000So take note of who is trying to undermine.
00:07:40.000I hope everyone understands there is a rogue government right now that's operating.
00:07:44.000That there is a shadow government that has defined the will of the people and they are operating in direct defiance.
00:08:12.000If they're leaking information, if they are undermining investigations, they are not friends of the American people, in my opinion.
00:08:18.000If you are selling information to a foreign adversary, you are an enemy of the state.
00:08:22.000And so we need to keep the pressure on.
00:08:23.000When we find these instances, when we see them, these federal workers need to go to jail for the rest of their life.
00:08:30.000If it is true, and these federal workers are destroying evidence regarding pending investigations and things that we, the American people, have a right to see, Who do they actually think they work for?
00:08:45.000They're in the technocratic class, in the permanent oligarchy of the federal bureaucracy.
00:08:49.000Final thoughts, Congresswoman Ana Polina Luna.
00:08:51.000Look, we have a big task cut out for us.
00:08:54.000This task force, we were, again, set up to be an action arm of the president to apply pressure and make sure that these documents were released to the American people.
00:09:02.000It's now looking like this is also turning into a criminal investigation because we're finding out that potentially our evidence has been destroyed.
00:09:08.000And so we need the American people to, A, make sure that they are sharing the correct information, but also keep the pressure on, okay?
00:09:15.000OK, because we can only do so much here in Washington, but we are we are a minority compared to what we are up against, especially within the intelligence communities.
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00:12:05.000Elon Musk sent out that email last weekend.
00:12:08.000And this is a perfect example of what we're dealing with.
00:12:12.000This is a young lady who could best be described as a brat.
00:12:16.000She's a spoiled brat who complains that she was intimidated by Elon Musk for asking the question, what did you do and what did you get done this week?
00:13:50.000I got this email Saturday afternoon about 3 p.m., and I felt absolutely infuriated getting this email with a demand within 48 hours to provide a response on what I did within the last week or face termination.
00:14:09.000This is clearly an attempt from Elon Musk to harass and bully and intimidate the federal workforce.
00:14:17.000Which is part of his broader plan to gut the federal workforce and privatize public sector services to ensure that corporations like his own can get more profit.
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00:15:54.000You know, if you go ask a carpenter, what'd you do this week?
00:15:56.000He'd be like, I fixed this, and I did that, and I did this, and I did that.
00:16:00.000And she is a perfect example of the millions of people that, as I said yesterday, and it went viral, have become parasites on the American taxpayer.
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00:17:41.000Citizen Kane from citizenfreepress.com.
00:17:45.000Now, Mr. Kane, I don't know if you know this or not, but you were highlighted in a segment that John Heilman did on his podcast, and he said this guy Kane was on the Charlie Kirk show.
00:17:58.000So I don't know if you know that or not, but I got to send you a link to that.
00:18:18.000So most Fridays we'll do this, where we do Ask Me Anything, and during the breaks we keep streaming, and it's not on radio, but it's on podcasting, and I ask Blake these questions.
00:19:50.000This is the most exciting, momentous reclamation of our government.
00:20:00.000Yeah, Charlie, I've been, as I sort of touched on at the end of the last interview, I didn't get interested in politics until I was 21 working at CNN when the overnight editor started talking to me about the national debt, right?
00:20:14.000So from that point, I've been, that's what brought me to politics.
00:20:21.000And I actually thought I was going to do CNN sports.
00:20:24.000But that's a completely different story.
00:20:26.000So the national debt and this whole idea of waste and fraud and bloated government spending, that means I've been waiting for this stuff for 35 years.
00:20:36.000I've been waiting for actual spending cuts.
00:20:38.000I remember stuff that, you know, there was something called the Penny Kasich bill.
00:20:43.000Penny was a congressman from Minnesota, John Kasich, the congressman from Ohio, and was an attempt at actually shrinking.
00:20:52.000The size of government by 1% a year until we reached a balanced budget.
00:20:57.000And Andrew can busily sort of, you know, do a Wikipedia on the Penny Kasich amendment.
00:21:04.000And it came within one vote of passing, Charlie.
00:21:06.000And I remember watching it live on CNN, excuse me, on C-SPAN. It was probably 93, 94-ish.
00:21:48.000I'm sure you've noticed how on Drudge and leftist media, they're like, oh, no, look, they fired these people and had to bring a few of them back.
00:22:26.000But this is coming forward to a referendum in so many ways that it's going to be the shadow government, which is only a couple million people, against the American people.
00:22:43.000Well, obviously, the monster poll from Harvard-Harris that Warren Bannon talked about it a bunch this morning, and it was asked at the Macron-Trump press conference.
00:22:55.000There were two or three questions about Doge, but they all got over 70% approval.
00:23:01.000As many Democrats, I try to watch alternative media as much as I can.
00:23:07.000The politicians are trying, but they're not getting any support.
00:23:10.000We had that press conference, I don't remember, last week.
00:23:13.000The full photo showed that there were just the five senators there and there were no people around them and they were screaming about what was going on at Doge.
00:23:20.000So there is no grassroots support not to cut the government.
00:23:38.000I think, look, we're all in it sort of minute to minute.
00:23:43.000So we see the negative stories that are written about Doge and we see what Drudge is sort of pushing and we see what's on CNN. But it's honestly, these polls show that that's not making any impact.
00:23:55.000That, what, 80, 90% of independents and 100% of Republicans love these cuts.
00:24:07.000So I say we just, you know, ignore the naysayers and continue on.
00:24:11.000Well, and Democrats are at an all-time low of just 32% approval.
00:24:17.000Kane, we dug the Republican Party out from our dark night of the soul post-January 6th, and we have become the popular party, and they have become a minoritarian, nasty, elitist oligarchy.
00:24:49.000And for all of this to have happened in 18 months, this sort of populist reversal, it dovetails with the expansion of the Republican MAGA working class, right?
00:24:59.000From white working class to black to Hispanic to Asian.
00:25:02.000This sort of populism is really, really working.
00:25:06.000And I think when you add the Trump transparency and the Elon transparency on top of it, that's part of why it's winning independence and gaining more popularity is because he's holding these press conferences.
00:25:18.000And he's acting like a boss, but he's answering the questions.
00:25:21.000And it's just something we've never seen.
00:25:23.000And I think that that has to be the explanation for what you said.
00:25:27.000How does the Democrat Party go from 50% approval to 32% approval in 18 months?
00:25:35.000It's cultural, it's media, and honestly, I never would have expected it would be this good.
00:25:42.000And it shows that there was a pent-up desire.
00:25:45.000An unspoken, unpoled desire to reclaim the country.
00:25:49.000And they were looking for a vessel to hang on to.
00:25:51.000And that vessel very well happened to be Donald Trump and the MAGA movement.
00:25:55.000And I think it was this great convergence where on one side you had the MAGA movement that was on fire.
00:26:01.000On the other side you had this silent majority of Americans that were sick of the inflation, the open borders, the woke stuff.
00:26:06.000And they weren't necessarily Trump's biggest fan, but they said, oh.
00:26:10.000Finally a movement that I can attach myself to, and boom, it's set on like fire, and the Democrats underestimated at every turn.
00:26:19.000Yeah, I mean, I would have said that I underestimated it.
00:26:22.000I didn't think it could all come together this smoothly, but I really feel like the special sauce for this, after having gathered this coalition, the special sauce is what's happening now, is these executive orders in the Oval Office, is this extreme transparency.
00:26:39.000That's what's really turning on people.
00:26:40.000There's a clip at the top of the stack.
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00:29:37.000Now all of a sudden she's like a person that got canceled because everyone's a racist.
00:29:42.000Yeah, she's going to have to file unemployment.
00:29:44.000I don't think that those unemployment claims are going to cover your salary.
00:29:48.000In the wake of Joy Reid being canceled.
00:29:52.000Chris Hayes or Rachel Maddow, I get them confused.
00:29:56.000I'm telling you, they could switch and no one would notice.
00:29:58.000Has this to say, Playcut 78. I will tell you, it is also unnerving to see that on a network where we've got two, count them, two non-white hosts in primetime, both of our non-white hosts in primetime are losing their shows, as is Katie Fang on the weekend.
00:30:16.000And that feels worse than bad, no matter who replaces them.
00:31:16.000If you are black plus anything else, you are black.
00:31:18.000Violent white nationalism that today threatens our national security.
00:31:22.000Do you notice there was no jive in that?
00:31:25.000You know, when she's reading the teleprompter, she talks straight, as you would say, but oh, when she gets canceled, we out here in the streets.
00:31:33.000Play cut 95. We do have a fascist groundswell in parts of this country, mainly among white men, let's be clear.
00:31:42.000Are you saying the we is white folks need more kids?
00:31:46.000Like Trump, Hitler was also viewed as a clown, a goon, who could be kept in line after a four-year break to, you know, learn to accurately quote Adolf Hitler.