The Charlie Kirk Show - The Transformation of Nala Ray

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.

00:00:04.000 My conversation with Nala Ray.

00:00:06.000 This is a little bit of an R-rated conversation.

00:00:08.000 She's a former OnlyFans, let's just say individual, and she left that lifestyle and has now given her life to Jesus.

00:00:17.000 I think you're going to really enjoy this conversation.

00:00:20.000 Again, it's a little bit more explicit, but if you have anyone that you know that is doing OnlyFans, this is a very important topic for you.

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00:01:36.000 Nala Ray, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:38.000 Thank you so much.

00:01:39.000 This is an honor.

00:01:40.000 So I met you at one of our campus events.

00:01:42.000 Yeah, what an exciting event too, especially for you being at your last, right?

00:01:46.000 That was the conclusion.

00:01:47.000 Yeah.

00:01:48.000 It went very viral.

00:01:50.000 It did.

00:01:51.000 So in your own words, why don't you tell me your story?

00:01:56.000 All right, so I'm most known for being old.

00:02:03.000 So that's a pretty great accomplishment in that realm, that world.

00:02:06.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:02:07.000 So being like a top earner, being very famous, very public about what I did, going on podcasting, the most ridiculous, crazy things for views.

00:02:16.000 I mean, you do that, but in a...

00:02:20.000 And for a good cause, I was not.

00:02:23.000 So that's what I did for the last five years, and that's what I'm known for.

00:02:27.000 You know, I grew up as a pastor's kid to a Baptist pastor.

00:02:31.000 Really?

00:02:31.000 Yeah, not a lot of people know that, but, like, I think that's where my journey really started, in a cage of religion.

00:02:36.000 You know, I didn't have a relationship with Christ.

00:02:39.000 I just knew church, going to church, being on the worship team, and doing what my parents told me to do.

00:02:45.000 So I have a ton of questions, but we have a lot of older Americans that listen to this, and they have no idea what OnlyFans is.

00:02:53.000 Oh, wow.

00:02:55.000 It's the downfall of America.

00:02:57.000 Right.

00:02:57.000 So, thank you for saying that.

00:03:00.000 So, OnlyFans is not just modeling.

00:03:04.000 That's what they love to portray it as.

00:03:05.000 You're a model, right?

00:03:07.000 When you think of model, you're thinking of walking on runways, being prestigious, like you're very beautiful.

00:03:11.000 You know, that is your lifestyle and getting paid to do that, but not being paid to show nothing.

00:03:17.000 So, OnlyFans in a nutshell is literally just you selling whatever you want behind a paywall.

00:03:23.000 OnlyFans loves to portray it as just being a model, but it's so much deeper than that.

00:03:28.000 I don't know one person on that platform that doesn't show nothing.

00:03:32.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:03:33.000 Like, doesn't, you know, show just, like, clothing.

00:03:36.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:03:37.000 With on. 0.99

00:03:37.000 It's all about porn. 0.99

00:03:39.000 So, yeah.

00:03:39.000 So, for those that don't know in the audience, OnlyFans is a subscription service.

00:03:46.000 Mostly used by men, but also women.

00:03:48.000 But mostly men, would you say?

00:03:49.000 Right. 1.00

00:03:49.000 Because men pay for sex. 1.00

00:03:51.000 Right. 0.99

00:03:51.000 So, they're paying. 0.99

00:03:52.000 Individuals like yourself to either send them individually or to view your naked pictures.

00:04:00.000 Absolutely.

00:04:01.000 So how popular is this platform?

00:04:04.000 You know, when I started back in 2020, 2019, it wasn't that popular.

00:04:13.000 Like, I was so unaware of what that platform was.

00:04:15.000 It had been up apparently since like five years before that, but it was just weird.

00:04:24.000 You could be a therapist on there.

00:04:25.000 That's what they sold it as.

00:04:27.000 And that's exactly what they intended it for it to be.

00:04:29.000 But it turned into something very different very fast.

00:04:32.000 And I was one of the leaders in that movement of putting porn on that site.

00:04:37.000 So how many people were giving you money a month?

00:04:40.000 Oh my gosh.

00:04:41.000 My max subscribers were like 270,000 subscribers.

00:04:45.000 270,000.

00:04:47.000 That's a lot.

00:04:48.000 That's a lot.

00:04:49.000 It's a big fan base.

00:04:50.000 That's like two Arrowhead stadiums, if you know Arrowhead stadiums.

00:04:53.000 It's massive.

00:04:54.000 When you think about it like that in real person.

00:04:55.000 Or like two big houses, like the Michigan Big House, two of those.

00:04:58.000 And they were mostly men.

00:05:00.000 Almost all men.

00:05:01.000 I'd say 90% of men.

00:05:03.000 So just as a side note, OnlyFans has millions of young men that then pay young ladies and sometimes other men.

00:05:11.000 But that's a whole separate.

00:05:12.000 That's a very separate issue.

00:05:13.000 To have them have personalized...

00:05:20.000 You get in relationship with this girl online.

00:05:23.000 It's like the whole girl next door movement. 0.96

00:05:26.000 It's a relationship.

00:05:27.000 That's what the girls and OnlyFans market it as. 1.00

00:05:31.000 But you do not have a relationship with them.

00:05:34.000 So almost 90% of the women on OnlyFans are managed by OnlyFans managers.

00:05:40.000 I was going to get into that.

00:05:41.000 Would you call them pimps?

00:05:42.000 A million percent.

00:05:44.000 They're grooming pimps.

00:05:45.000 Did you have one?

00:05:46.000 Absolutely.

00:05:46.000 I had two.

00:05:47.000 Really?

00:05:48.000 Tell me about that.

00:05:48.000 They're like in their 40s.

00:05:50.000 They're men.

00:05:52.000 OnlyFans agencies are only run by men.

00:05:54.000 I've never met or seen one that's not run by a man.

00:06:06.000 They cannot force them to, but they'll insinuate you will never make enough money if you don't do this scene.

00:06:12.000 You will never do this.

00:06:13.000 They always provide either drugs and alcohol at the content houses, very readily available.

00:06:18.000 They'll bring in big porn stars to work with those girls too. 1.00

00:06:23.000 That has happened to me many times where someone who doesn't even work on OnlyFans is brought in.

00:06:27.000 To be like an object for other people.

00:06:31.000 How many, so there's a fair amount of college women that get drawn into this. 1.00

00:06:37.000 Would you say millions?

00:06:39.000 Absolutely.

00:06:40.000 So many being at 18 years old.

00:06:42.000 Yeah, and what is shocking for some older Americans to hear is how normalized this has become.

00:06:48.000 That's what I'm seeing too, is that, well, sex is so readily available even on your Instagram feed.

00:06:54.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:06:55.000 You're just seeing girls half naked in bikinis, showing and supporting their OnlyFans, you know, so broadly. 0.82

00:07:02.000 And so then let's go back to you for a second.

00:07:06.000 So you're a pastor's daughter.

00:07:09.000 What state are you from?

00:07:10.000 Where are you from?

00:07:11.000 Illinois.

00:07:12.000 I was born there.

00:07:12.000 What part?

00:07:13.000 Decatur.

00:07:14.000 I know Decatur.

00:07:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:15.000 So I'm from Wheeling, Illinois.

00:07:17.000 Okay.

00:07:17.000 Yeah.

00:07:18.000 Northwest suburbs.

00:07:19.000 Okay.

00:07:20.000 So, yeah, I know Decatur.

00:07:22.000 That's central Illinois.

00:07:23.000 Yeah.

00:07:26.000 I was, yeah.

00:07:27.000 My dad was a Baptist pastor for a long time.

00:07:29.000 I don't even know how our family got into that.

00:07:31.000 It was so sporadic.

00:07:33.000 I have a very broken family, though.

00:07:35.000 A lot of it started with my family losing everything we had in a tornado.

00:07:40.000 We lost our home, our clothes, our toys, our food.

00:07:42.000 Everything was gone one night.

00:07:44.000 How old are you?

00:07:45.000 I was eight years old.

00:07:47.000 And so your family, like I'm the middle of five children with two parents at the time.

00:07:52.000 So then after that tragedy happened to my family, And then I lost my dad for like two years.

00:08:00.000 He left our life.

00:08:01.000 And then he came back in the picture two years later, remarried my mom, became a pastor out of nowhere.

00:08:06.000 So we went through multiple church splits after that.

00:08:09.000 I don't know why, you know, but we did.

00:08:11.000 We went through so many church splits.

00:08:13.000 My dad stopped being a pastor, was dragging his family all around like Florida, Illinois, everywhere, just to like live his dream of being in the spotlight.

00:08:21.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:08:22.000 Even if it was just a pastor.

00:08:24.000 So my life drastically changed.

00:08:27.000 And now my parents are divorced again.

00:08:29.000 My dad's in jail facing a life sentence.

00:08:31.000 Oh, what did he do?

00:08:32.000 He did a lot of things, actually.

00:08:35.000 A lot of it started with their second divorce because he cheated on her again.

00:08:38.000 He was stealing money from me while I was on OnlyFans.

00:08:42.000 He had a lot of drug addiction and nobody really knew about it.

00:08:46.000 It just randomly came out.

00:08:48.000 It was awful.

00:08:49.000 It's terrible.

00:08:50.000 And then he broke into my mom's house with like a gun and a knife and like assault and battery happened.

00:08:56.000 And so he is now facing a life sentence.

00:09:01.000 So, walk me through the first moment you heard about OnlyFans.

00:09:05.000 I was on Instagram.

00:09:06.000 I was a literal nobody on Instagram.

00:09:08.000 I just like fitness stuff.

00:09:10.000 You know, my name is Fitness Nala on Instagram.

00:09:11.000 I love fitness stuff.

00:09:13.000 So, this random person reached out to me.

00:09:15.000 It was a gentleman.

00:09:16.000 Reached out to me.

00:09:17.000 Well, he's not a gentleman.

00:09:18.000 He's just a man.

00:09:19.000 But he reached out to me and started talking to me about OnlyFans.

00:09:23.000 And COVID had just hit.

00:09:25.000 So, like, we're all, like, getting sent home from work.

00:09:27.000 I was in a very normal job.

00:09:29.000 Working in 9 to 5, like I was working in orthopedics at the time, like scheduling surgeries and stuff.

00:09:34.000 So they moved me home because of COVID and he reached out to me and was like, hey, you do so good on OnlyFans.

00:09:39.000 You would make so much money.

00:09:41.000 All you have to do is use my referral code and sign up.

00:09:44.000 So anything I would make, he would make 5% of it.

00:09:47.000 That's what he was trying to do.

00:09:48.000 And OnlyFans had that rule for a while about referrals and stuff like that. 0.99

00:09:52.000 If they could get people on OnlyFans, they'd make money off of you, etc.

00:09:56.000 a million percent.

00:09:57.000 So then And like my first month working very hard, I made like $87,000.

00:10:06.000 I quit my job immediately and went full into OnlyFans.

00:10:10.000 In one month?

00:10:10.000 One month.

00:10:11.000 Okay, so this is early, 2018, 2019, right?

00:10:14.000 So you're one of the first pioneers of this app.

00:10:17.000 So you are, at this moment, do you have a good relationship with your father?

00:10:21.000 Semi, yeah.

00:10:21.000 I was closer to him than I was any other person in my family.

00:10:25.000 But that relationship seemed like it was taking a turn.

00:10:28.000 Downwards as this was happening?

00:10:30.000 It honestly wasn't at that point.

00:10:32.000 I loved my dad.

00:10:33.000 I had a good relationship with him sort of after he came back to our family.

00:10:37.000 I felt like he was the only person that I really related to in my family.

00:10:41.000 We're kind of like the entrepreneurs in the family, stuff like that.

00:10:46.000 Like our relationship kind of stayed the same where my mom and my completely disintegrated.

00:10:51.000 She stopped talking to me for four years after that.

00:10:54.000 I never spoke to one of my siblings after that for the next four years either.

00:10:57.000 So it was just me and my dad.

00:10:58.000 So you are posting bikini pictures.

00:11:02.000 And I'm sure at some moment there was a fork in the road.

00:11:05.000 Of course.

00:11:06.000 Where you had to make a conscious decision to post more than bikini pictures.

00:11:10.000 Because a lot of the girls watching this right now, they all put bikini pictures themselves on Instagram. 1.00

00:11:15.000 Absolutely.

00:11:16.000 That's not unusual.

00:11:17.000 I don't think it's good, but that's not unusual.

00:11:20.000 Bring us into the room of the moment that you decided to hit publish on a naked picture of yourself.

00:11:28.000 So it was when I felt like nothing else to lose.

00:11:31.000 My parents had found out I was on OnlyFans like a month and a half after I'd started.

00:11:37.000 And they found out from other people.

00:11:39.000 So I really thought I could hide it.

00:11:42.000 I really did.

00:11:43.000 But you can't hide from the internet when you're on it.

00:11:45.000 They found out.

00:11:46.000 They confronted me about it.

00:11:48.000 This was right before I was going to move to California.

00:11:50.000 And so I was in Florida at the time.

00:11:52.000 They confronted me about it.

00:11:53.000 That was when my mom decided to completely cut ties with me. 0.99

00:11:56.000 And I was like, well, my dad supports me being on it.

00:11:59.000 He truly said he supported me.

00:12:00.000 And if he was younger, he would probably do the same thing.

00:12:03.000 Was he still a pastor?

00:12:04.000 No, no.

00:12:06.000 Thank goodness, right?

00:12:07.000 That would be quite an interesting pastor.

00:12:09.000 Absolutely.

00:12:10.000 So, yeah, I felt like I had absolutely nothing else to lose.

00:12:13.000 I didn't have friends.

00:12:14.000 I didn't have a boyfriend.

00:12:15.000 I was just ready.

00:12:16.000 And so I was like, okay, I'm moving to California.

00:12:19.000 And it went hardcore real fast.

00:12:21.000 And first of all, thank you for being so open about this because I think our audience needs to know because this is replicated now, unfortunately, thousands of times.

00:12:28.000 And it's not talked about enough.

00:12:29.000 Thank you for being so vulnerable with it.

00:12:31.000 Absolutely.

00:12:32.000 Were you seeking money or was there something else?

00:12:34.000 Was there a validation?

00:12:35.000 Oh, validation and attention.

00:12:37.000 I struggle so hard in my family dynamic with feeling loved.

00:12:42.000 My mom wasn't like a loving, nurturing mom. 1.00

00:12:45.000 She was like a disciplinarian, kind of cold, like therapist kind of mom.

00:12:50.000 It wasn't like, come hug me, come give me love.

00:12:52.000 It was just kind of like, let me teach you something new so you'll be good at something kind of mother.

00:12:57.000 Nothing wrong with that.

00:12:58.000 But when your child really craves love and they don't get it, they look elsewhere for it.

00:13:03.000 And I did.

00:13:09.000 So for me, I was like, okay, cool.

00:13:12.000 I'm doing nothing wrong here.

00:13:13.000 You know, just validating that sin over and over again.

00:13:16.000 But yeah, I turned mainly for attention.

00:13:19.000 I never thought I was going to make that kind of money, but that attention felt really good, even though it was bad attention.

00:13:25.000 How much money were you making a month at the peak?

00:13:27.000 $300,000 to $50,000 to $400,000 a month.

00:13:30.000 Yeah, so that's about almost $5 million a year.

00:13:33.000 Yep.

00:13:35.000 So talk our audience through the different levels of experiences, for lack of a better term, that the audience could purchase.

00:13:45.000 Wow, I had a whole menu, actually.

00:13:47.000 So walk us, what was on the menu?

00:13:49.000 How graphic do you want me to be?

00:13:50.000 Well, not graphic, but how personal, Extremely personal.

00:13:54.000 Meaning the man would pay exorbitant amount of money to get not just – If they wanted a customized video.

00:14:04.000 That's the point.

00:14:05.000 It was about the control of you, right?

00:14:06.000 It was control completely, and they could ask for anything.

00:14:09.000 It didn't mean I have to accept everything, and I didn't.

00:14:12.000 What kind of money are we talking about here?

00:14:14.000 It depends on the request.

00:14:15.000 It always depended on the request.

00:14:17.000 the higher the risk, the more money it was.

00:14:23.000 $5,000, $10,000, $20,000?

00:14:25.000 A few whales did pay for stuff like really like $20,000 was like one of my biggest requests for a very weird video.

00:14:33.000 And like even down to like pictures that were like really odd, like wanting to see like the pores in my skin, like really weird stuff.

00:14:44.000 Yeah, it was weird, but I, like, you know, really tricked myself into believing, like, oh, well, I'm at home.

00:14:49.000 I'm safe.

00:14:50.000 You know, this isn't really affecting me.

00:14:52.000 Yeah, I'm, like, literally catering to really perverted men, but they can't touch me.

00:14:58.000 So it made it better for me, you know, and mentally it did.

00:15:01.000 And I smoked a lot of weed, actually.

00:15:03.000 Yeah, so I was going to ask you about that.

00:15:04.000 So almost, there's a one-to-one correlation between the porn industry and heavy drug use.

00:15:08.000 Oh, you cannot do porn without drugs or alcohol.

00:15:12.000 You cannot do it.

00:15:13.000 I've never seen it.

00:15:14.000 Why do you think that is?

00:15:15.000 You have to numb yourself because what you're doing is immoral.

00:15:18.000 Absolutely no ethics are involved in what you're doing.

00:15:21.000 There's nothing good about it.

00:15:23.000 There's nothing that feels good about it.

00:15:25.000 People love to watch porn and be like, oh yes, that's so satisfying.

00:15:28.000 It's so pleasing.

00:15:29.000 It's so good.

00:15:30.000 Nothing about it is good.

00:15:32.000 It's so dark and evil and the scars it leaves after every scene is so damaging.

00:15:37.000 You have to try to forget it.

00:15:40.000 Weed really does aid in memory loss.

00:15:44.000 Me, smoking was just like try to forget, try to forget.

00:15:47.000 It put me to sleep every night.

00:15:49.000 It helped me wake up in the morning.

00:15:50.000 It was my absolute everything.

00:15:55.000 Relationships with other OnlyFan creators?

00:15:58.000 Absolutely.

00:15:58.000 I thought they were all fake.

00:16:00.000 I really did. 0.77

00:16:01.000 Like, I had a really hard time making friends because everybody in it is so messed up in the head.

00:16:06.000 Like, truly messed up.

00:16:08.000 Like, on the outside, they'll be all sweet and inviting, but they're only there to justify your sin.

00:16:12.000 You're only friends because you do the same thing.

00:16:15.000 And it feels good.

00:16:16.000 You're like, oh, cool.

00:16:16.000 Because I always looked at it like this.

00:16:18.000 Like when I was on OnlyFans, normal people who don't do OnlyFans are just kind of fascinated by you or they're repelled by you.

00:16:25.000 They're like, that's so gross.

00:16:26.000 I wouldn't come like within 10 feet of that person. 0.99

00:16:29.000 Or they're so like, oh my gosh, that's a porn star. 0.98

00:16:33.000 You know, just infatuated with you.

00:16:34.000 But other people in the porn industry.

00:16:36.000 They get it.

00:16:37.000 You're probably doing the same kinds of drugs.

00:16:39.000 You're drinking the same kinds of alcohol.

00:16:41.000 You're doing the same kinds of scenes.

00:16:43.000 It's familiar.

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00:17:44.000 how long, how many years were you regularly producing content?

00:17:50.000 When we're talking about porn, for four years.

00:17:52.000 But content, five years.

00:17:54.000 Okay.

00:17:54.000 So walk me through like year three.

00:17:57.000 You've been doing it for three years.

00:17:59.000 Yeah, I was getting really into my niche in year three.

00:18:02.000 So talk about that.

00:18:03.000 So I became like the gamer anime girl.

00:18:06.000 That was my niche in the system.

00:18:07.000 What does that mean to...

00:18:11.000 Cosplaying is just dressing up like another character.

00:18:13.000 Like whether you think about superheroes, villains, anime.

00:18:16.000 Like I would do wigs.

00:18:18.000 I would change my eye color.

00:18:20.000 I would wear different makeup.

00:18:21.000 I would speak differently.

00:18:23.000 Like really embodied a whole nother person.

00:18:25.000 So my whole thing on OnlyFans was you can get any kind of girl with me.

00:18:29.000 Because I'm blonde, I'm brunette, I have redhead one day, I have pink hair another day.

00:18:34.000 Like, I'm not the same girl twice.

00:18:36.000 Which for men desire variety.

00:18:38.000 Absolutely.

00:18:39.000 And I knew that if I offered that variety, I'd make more money, and I did.

00:18:42.000 So instead of going to another girl who's like, let's say I was redheaded, they wanted a blonde, they don't have to get off of me.

00:18:48.000 I could still be a blonde for them, you know?

00:18:51.000 How often did you post content?

00:18:53.000 Every day.

00:18:54.000 I had a team.

00:18:56.000 All I did...

00:18:57.000 Okay, so an OnlyFans team, I had two.

00:18:59.000 One was a really bad.

00:19:05.000 Like, I was six months into the industry.

00:19:07.000 They found out about me, saw my numbers, and they were like, wow, we need to pick her up. 0.63

00:19:11.000 I knew nothing about OnlyFans agencies. 0.99

00:19:14.000 And it was a really perverted, two perverted men in that agency who would literally call me with like their junk hanging out to try to like masturbate to me while I was just on a call with them. 0.98

00:19:25.000 You know, they'd invite me to content houses. 0.99

00:19:28.000 What is a content house?

00:19:29.000 Content house is a place rented out to invite other creators similar to you to create content in different rooms.

00:19:37.000 All you do is drink, drugs, and create content like a revolving door.

00:19:42.000 That's really dark.

00:19:43.000 It's only with other females, though.

00:19:44.000 There were never males at these events other than the heads of the agencies.

00:19:49.000 So you're at a place where you're creating content almost every single day.

00:19:54.000 Yep.

00:19:55.000 I work seven days a week.

00:19:57.000 Yeah, year three becomes year four.

00:19:59.000 Yeah.

00:20:00.000 Walk me through the moment where you're at the top of your game, right?

00:20:05.000 You are...

00:20:13.000 Why did you stop?

00:20:15.000 So I stopped at year five.

00:20:18.000 In September 2023, I was scrolling on TikTok, and I saw my husband now, Jordan.

00:20:25.000 He's right here.

00:20:26.000 Yeah, he's right here.

00:20:27.000 So he was dressed up.

00:20:29.000 On TikTok.

00:20:30.000 So he's prior military.

00:20:31.000 And he had this like bulletproof vest on, a helmet.

00:20:35.000 I'm like, why is this guy on TikTok looking like G.I. Joe, right?

00:20:38.000 So I was like, that's so funny.

00:20:40.000 And I just engaged with him a little bit on live.

00:20:42.000 And then I gifted him a little bit.

00:20:44.000 Gifting means just like helping him win TikTok live battles.

00:20:51.000 And we got connected that way.

00:20:53.000 We gave each other each other's phone numbers.

00:20:55.000 He called me out of the blue one day, like FaceTime me.

00:20:57.000 And this is a good Christian man.

00:21:00.000 He has no idea who I am.

00:21:02.000 Like, didn't even bother to look at my social medias.

00:21:05.000 Was just thankful that I was in his life.

00:21:06.000 And I was like, okay, cool.

00:21:08.000 He FaceTimes me and we spent the next eight hours on the phone.

00:21:12.000 He's engulfing in conversation together.

00:21:15.000 He just spoke about God like I've never heard someone speak about Christ ever in my life.

00:21:21.000 Even being through like pastor's kid, religion, church after church after church.

00:21:25.000 He spoke about God in such a loving way.

00:21:29.000 And like, you could just see the love.

00:21:30.000 And like, you know, that people say now, like that Jesus glow.

00:21:33.000 He had that, like something so special within him.

00:21:36.000 And I wanted it.

00:21:37.000 I was so attracted to like why he felt this way.

00:21:40.000 So we continued to talk day after day.

00:21:43.000 It became, our conversation became longer and longer.

00:21:45.000 I had stopped doing content at that time.

00:21:48.000 Like I stopped producing.

00:21:49.000 I was just, you know, my agency was like recycling content from my past now.

00:21:54.000 I just stopped.

00:21:55.000 After I started talking to Jordan, I just felt something inside me.

00:21:59.000 I felt wrong creating content while I was speaking to someone, but he wasn't my boyfriend or anything.

00:22:04.000 He was just a friend.

00:22:05.000 And the more he spoke to me about Christ and texted me Bible verses once or twice a day, would send me just full-on videos of Christian speaking.

00:22:16.000 And I was like, does he know who I am?

00:22:19.000 I don't believe in that anymore.

00:22:22.000 So I told him, I was like, hey, you know I'm on OnlyFans, right?

00:22:25.000 And he was like, Whoa, what's that?

00:22:27.000 You know, he was not on that side of the internet.

00:22:30.000 So then, yeah, I told him everything about what I was doing, how I made my money, everything, and it didn't repel him at all.

00:22:37.000 I was so awestruck.

00:22:39.000 I was like, wait, you're not disgusted by me?

00:22:42.000 You know, like, how could you not be?

00:22:44.000 So at that time, like, I was really starting to feel like what I thought was guilt at the time, but it's conviction.

00:22:50.000 I'm starting feeling conviction over what I had done, what I was doing, and that's what made me stop, like, Producing content at the time.

00:22:58.000 So first of all, it's a beautiful story.

00:23:01.000 But it's not that easy, I'm sure.

00:23:04.000 You stopped doing content, but there was an agency that was making a lot of money off of you.

00:23:08.000 Absolutely.

00:23:09.000 Like 40% of my earnings.

00:23:11.000 Oh, really?

00:23:12.000 Yeah.

00:23:12.000 So you really weren't making $5 million?

00:23:15.000 No, I was not making that.

00:23:16.000 And then OnlyFans takes 20%.

00:23:18.000 Oh, so you were making...

00:23:21.000 Not $5 million a year. 0.81

00:23:22.000 And then California taxes are ridiculous.

00:23:25.000 We're not going to talk about that. 0.55

00:23:27.000 Okay.

00:23:28.000 There's still a lot of money, but yes.

00:23:30.000 Yeah.

00:23:31.000 But hold on.

00:23:32.000 You say I'm going to stop producing content.

00:23:34.000 What did your pimps have to say?

00:23:37.000 You know, I didn't tell them what was going on.

00:23:39.000 You know, some creators do take breaks and they need those breaks.

00:23:42.000 Like they really do.

00:23:43.000 I witnessed that a few times with women having like mental and emotional breakdowns that will just leave the internet, you know, and then come back and act like everything's okay. 1.00

00:23:50.000 I witnessed that quite a few times.

00:23:52.000 And women who had to go to therapy for drug abuse and addiction, it really does happen all the time. 1.00

00:23:58.000 So they weren't surprised when I stopped.

00:23:59.000 I had been a workhorse for like, So it wasn't surprising that I needed a little bit of a break, but I never mentioned anything.

00:24:07.000 It just started slowly sliding out.

00:24:11.000 I just slowly stopped producing.

00:24:14.000 And my team did their job, continued to sell what I had made.

00:24:17.000 Five years of content is a lot of content.

00:24:19.000 So they weren't worried about anything until...

00:24:26.000 I'd just gotten baptized in January of 2024.

00:24:29.000 And so I told him outright, I was like, I don't need you anymore.

00:24:33.000 Like to my manager, I was like, I'm quitting OnlyFans.

00:24:36.000 He, like his response was.

00:24:38.000 Very typical of what I thought he would say was just like, you know, you can't make it in the real world.

00:24:43.000 You need this money.

00:24:44.000 Like, what are you going to do now?

00:24:46.000 You need me.

00:24:47.000 Stuff like that is just so controlling.

00:24:50.000 And I really got to see a very dark side to him after that.

00:24:54.000 You know, it was a really scary thing for me to, like, let that life go.

00:24:57.000 It was terrifying to me because I'm like, now where am I going to make my money from?

00:25:01.000 What am I going to do with my life?

00:25:03.000 Like, this is all I know right now.

00:25:04.000 I don't have my family in my life, you know?

00:25:07.000 So, and then even the day I, again, like I told my dad, like, I wanted to get off OnlyFans.

00:25:11.000 He was like, oh, no, you should stay on for another year, year and a half.

00:25:14.000 Great father.

00:25:15.000 Great father.

00:25:16.000 Yeah.

00:25:18.000 So you cut the cord.

00:25:20.000 You deleted the accounts.

00:25:21.000 Absolutely.

00:25:21.000 It's all gone.

00:25:22.000 All gone.

00:25:23.000 All gone.

00:25:23.000 You wiped it.

00:25:24.000 Everything.

00:25:25.000 And then you started life new.

00:25:28.000 Yeah.

00:25:28.000 When did you get married to your husband?

00:25:30.000 We got married in March 2024 on Easter weekend.

00:25:33.000 Praise the Lord.

00:25:34.000 Yeah.

00:25:35.000 And so you got baptized.

00:25:38.000 You have baptized.

00:25:46.000 Repentance means to take a change.

00:25:47.000 But the modern gospel, Nala, says that...

00:25:53.000 And like, you could still do OnlyFans and Jesus will just say, I love you.

00:25:56.000 Well, that's a Mr. Potato Head Jesus.

00:25:58.000 That's not, that's a made up Jesus.

00:25:59.000 You know, we love to identify Jesus as accepting us for who we are.

00:26:02.000 I've even heard, you know, artists like Sophie Rain, one of the biggest OnlyFans models, even be like, oh, Jesus loves me.

00:26:08.000 Yeah, yes.

00:26:09.000 He loves you.

00:26:10.000 He does not love your sin.

00:26:12.000 He does not condone what you're doing and saying, oh, you're happy.

00:26:15.000 You're making money.

00:26:16.000 It's okay.

00:26:16.000 That is not the God we serve, thankfully for that, because it would never induce you.

00:26:22.000 Were there points throughout your journey where, walk me through some of the lows.

00:26:28.000 On OnlyFans?

00:26:30.000 Man, I was smoking so much.

00:26:32.000 I was drinking.

00:26:34.000 I wasn't like an alcoholic, but I did drink.

00:26:36.000 So I felt like my life really didn't have much purpose other than showing my body.

00:26:42.000 That was all I was to the world.

00:26:45.000 So it was just a mouthpiece and a body.

00:26:48.000 That must have made you quite depressed.

00:26:50.000 I wasn't depressed because I didn't feel anything from smoking.

00:26:53.000 You just numbed yourself up.

00:26:54.000 Oh, I couldn't feel anything other than anger sometimes.

00:26:56.000 and I threw myself into the gym.

00:27:01.000 That was the only feeling I had was pain in the gym.

00:27:06.000 Other than that, I didn't cry.

00:27:07.000 I didn't feel anything.

00:27:09.000 I didn't sit in the shower and sob.

00:27:10.000 Nothing like that.

00:27:12.000 I felt nothing.

00:27:13.000 Of the women that are now OnlyFans creators still, what do they have in common? 0.99

00:27:23.000 In common of what?

00:27:26.000 Oh, they're broken.

00:27:28.000 Absolutely.

00:27:28.000 In any sense of the form of brokenness, it exists in their life.

00:27:32.000 They don't have to have family issues to be broken, but maybe something happened along their life.

00:27:37.000 They didn't have the right direction.

00:27:39.000 You know, parents didn't parent.

00:27:40.000 They were friends to their kid.

00:27:41.000 That's a big issue, too, I see.

00:27:43.000 Like if a parent is not being a parent, like the Bible says specifically to raise up the child in the way that they should go.

00:27:49.000 That's a very like, It's a really hard decision we make, especially in the generation we live in now, just soiled in social media, soiled in this idea of Jesus in a box.

00:28:07.000 Porn is everywhere.

00:28:10.000 When you talk to most young men and ask them, what was the age where you first experienced porn? 0.95

00:28:15.000 Crazy how young it is.

00:28:17.000 And parents just don't care. 0.86

00:28:18.000 They don't care.

00:28:18.000 Parents are actually helping them.

00:28:20.000 Right.

00:28:20.000 And they want to ignore.

00:28:21.000 Like, at 13, I was molested.

00:28:23.000 That was my introduction into sex was a very perverted sense of the word.

00:28:27.000 So it could be anything.

00:28:29.000 It didn't have to do with parenting.

00:28:30.000 It could be anything.

00:28:31.000 Drug abuse, watching drug around you.

00:28:33.000 Like, man, anything can affect that.

00:28:35.000 And a woman, a woman need to be led. 0.99

00:28:38.000 You know, God is your leader first and foremost.

00:28:40.000 You don't have to have a husband to lead you.

00:28:43.000 You know, women need that direction. 1.00

00:28:45.000 So when you're being directed by groomers in OnlyFans agencies, of course you're going to do the worst of the worst.

00:28:52.000 I compromised so many times when I never thought I would.

00:28:55.000 I did.

00:28:57.000 And so you got married in spring of 2024.

00:29:03.000 You gave your life to the Lord.

00:29:05.000 Admittedly, I can usually anticipate how things are going to play out on the internet.

00:29:10.000 I'm pretty good at that.

00:29:11.000 Okay.

00:29:12.000 But when we announced you at our Young Women's Leadership Summit, the self-righteous backlash was very confounding to me.

00:29:23.000 And usually I'm like, I can kind of get it, but they're like, Charlie, why would you have Nala Ray speak?

00:29:29.000 I said, well, from what I understand, she's repented, convicted towards a new life.

00:29:35.000 She's given her life to Jesus.

00:29:37.000 She's married and has a lot to share about this industry. 0.84

00:29:42.000 I hate to even ask you this, but what do you say to people that say you're a fake, you're a fraud, you're disingenuous?

00:29:48.000 I think in general, change is a very hard concept for people to grasp because that normally means you're stuck. 0.99

00:29:55.000 Being stuck sucks.

00:29:57.000 So change is an idea of completely rerouting. 0.97

00:30:01.000 And if you've lived a certain way, For me, it was very difficult to give up promiscuity, to give up weed, to give up cussing, to give up, you know, seeking after attention of the world.

00:30:16.000 It was like, I'm still dealing with stuff like that in counseling.

00:30:19.000 You know, I'm not perfect.

00:30:20.000 I am not like completely healed now and here to just share my message.

00:30:23.000 I'm very broken.

00:30:25.000 Very broken because of the choices I made.

00:30:27.000 But I realized those choices and I'm very open about it because I want to help other people.

00:30:33.000 You know, either where it's coming from, the left or the right side, I see a disingenuine act of, you know, concern.

00:30:42.000 I feel like they're acting out of concern, but it's really not concern.

00:30:45.000 It's just putting down because they're stuck in their own life and they don't know how to change.

00:30:50.000 Or maybe they do know how to change, but they don't want to change.

00:30:53.000 Changing is hard.

00:30:54.000 Yeah, and I think at least some of the criticism is, I don't know, it's like, oh, I don't want to say legalistic because I hate that word.

00:31:03.000 But, I mean, at least from what I understand, and I think I know the Bible pretty well.

00:31:08.000 I'd say you do.

00:31:09.000 I think repentance is like a pretty important component of Christianity.

00:31:13.000 Right?

00:31:14.000 And not just like saying the words, but actually demonstrating that you're leaving a sinful lifestyle.

00:31:20.000 It would be very different if I was sitting here today and being like, I don't even think I'd be here today.

00:31:24.000 If I said, oh, you know, I accepted Christ in my heart.

00:31:27.000 I'm changing and I'm still on OnlyFans.

00:31:29.000 Yeah, we'd have a much different conversation.

00:31:30.000 I would not be here today.

00:31:31.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:31:32.000 I'd be asking much different questions.

00:31:33.000 Yeah.

00:31:34.000 So I think what's crazy about the people that love to hate on me, I like to call my biggest fans, is that mainly that, you know, they push for change.

00:31:44.000 They say, like, why don't we change in this generation?

00:31:46.000 What is wrong with our youth?

00:31:47.000 But then when it actually happens, like a case like mine actually happens, they cannot believe it.

00:31:53.000 It's a great point.

00:31:54.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:31:55.000 I think it truly is a hard concept to grasp for them.

00:31:59.000 Well, and it's like, no one knows.

00:32:01.000 I mean, I can't read your heart.

00:32:02.000 Only God can.

00:32:03.000 But I can read your actions.

00:32:05.000 And actions do speak louder than words.

00:32:07.000 Unless you have some sort of, like, burner-only fans again.

00:32:09.000 Do you?

00:32:10.000 Right?

00:32:10.000 You can ask my husband.

00:32:12.000 Right?

00:32:12.000 No.

00:32:13.000 But like you're also, aren't you like in tax debt or something?

00:32:16.000 Huge amounts of tax debt.

00:32:17.000 Which happens to all these OnlyFans people, right?

00:32:19.000 Yeah, but it wasn't even my fault.

00:32:21.000 My CPA in 2021 failed to file my taxes because he got sent to jail for some reason.

00:32:27.000 We got to get better people around you.

00:32:29.000 Your dad's going to jail or your CPA's going to jail.

00:32:32.000 We got to rebuild your team.

00:32:33.000 I would love that.

00:32:34.000 Right, Jordan?

00:32:34.000 I would love that.

00:32:35.000 Too many people are going to jail.

00:32:37.000 Listen, I know.

00:32:39.000 No, I'm giving you a hard time.

00:32:41.000 So, but you're in tax debt.

00:32:43.000 Yeah.

00:32:43.000 So if it was all about the money, then you would have just...

00:32:47.000 Why would I give that up?

00:32:49.000 Because literally, I could clear my tax debt up now, which is $300,000 in a month of OnlyFans.

00:32:55.000 So, why wouldn't I just go back?

00:32:57.000 Right?

00:32:57.000 Well, of course.

00:32:58.000 Yeah, and so, again, I just, the, I tried to seriously Okay.

00:33:06.000 And I was, like, trying to understand what is so controversial about this.

00:33:12.000 And I guess they're like, well, Charlie, why are you having a porn star come to your conference?

00:33:17.000 I was like, well, former is a pretty important word in life.

00:33:20.000 It is.

00:33:21.000 It is.

00:33:22.000 And also, here's an interesting question.

00:33:25.000 So the young ladies in this audience, almost assuredly, all of them, I don't know if any of them are Unonly fans, but...

00:33:33.000 Well, or at least they have friends on OnlyFans, right?

00:33:36.000 And I guarantee you this.

00:33:38.000 If you have a son right now, chances are somebody's son in this audience is consuming OnlyFans.

00:33:44.000 Oh, a million percent.

00:33:46.000 One of my favorite clips ever in the history of our campus content.

00:33:50.000 You show up and you ask the question at the event at UC Riverside.

00:33:55.000 And Nala says, you know, I was on OnlyFans.

00:33:59.000 And if you listen carefully.

00:34:00.000 You hear all the shouts.

00:34:01.000 All the seven men are like, yeah.

00:34:03.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:34:03.000 Until I'm like, I score in them and then they shut up. 0.95

00:34:05.000 So, like, these men coming to our campus events are, like, spending money and consuming on this.

00:34:12.000 Like I said in the interview with you, they're supplying the demand.

00:34:15.000 Totally.

00:34:15.000 The issue is so much more.

00:34:17.000 And I've seen a lot of, like, some right-winged people even say, like, oh, girls just need to close their legs. 1.00

00:34:22.000 There wouldn't be a demand if men were not asking for it.

00:34:26.000 No, I agree.

00:34:26.000 That's true.

00:34:27.000 It's a both issue.

00:34:28.000 It's not men or just women or men or just women.

00:34:32.000 No, I totally agree.

00:34:34.000 Both-sided.

00:34:35.000 Male nature, when it comes to sexual matters, is very primal, unfortunately.

00:34:41.000 But let me ask you, though, more applicably, when you were selling content, were the men respectful to you?

00:34:53.000 Some were, but it was more just simpy behavior.

00:34:56.000 What does that mean?

00:34:57.000 Simpy behavior is mainly...

00:35:00.000 I hate that word.

00:35:03.000 Oh my gosh.

00:35:03.000 You've got to calm down the Gen Z stuff here.

00:35:05.000 Oh my gosh.

00:35:05.000 I'm a millennial too, so that doesn't make any sense to me.

00:35:08.000 But for me, that simp behavior is mainly just like, I'll do anything for you.

00:35:14.000 Like very cowardly behavior.

00:35:16.000 Yeah, sure.

00:35:16.000 So I understand that.

00:35:26.000 They're talking to probably like 30-year-old Indian males on the other side of the computer screen sharing very intimate details about themselves.

00:35:33.000 How many were American on your – I never met my team.

00:35:38.000 No, no, no, no.

00:35:38.000 I mean, on your customers.

00:35:40.000 I have no idea.

00:35:42.000 I was never talking to them.

00:35:44.000 Wasn't there a chat or some way that they could send you messages?

00:35:47.000 Yeah, I wasn't in charge of the chat.

00:35:48.000 I had a team in charge of the chat.

00:35:50.000 Every woman does. 1.00

00:35:51.000 They thought they were talking to you.

00:35:51.000 Yes, that is a very tricky thing there.

00:35:54.000 So you're giving, again, sensitive information, probably sending, like they are sending sensitive pictures and a man is probably looking at it.

00:36:03.000 Oh, that's gross.

00:36:04.000 Very gross.

00:36:05.000 Yeah.

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00:37:10.000 There are hundreds of thousands of young women right now that are still in captivity in OnlyFans.

00:37:17.000 Would you agree with that description?

00:37:19.000 A million percent.

00:37:20.000 You are the top earner and you just left.

00:37:23.000 One of them, yeah.

00:37:24.000 Yeah.

00:37:24.000 What is your message?

00:37:27.000 To these young women, where at times, again, I don't spend any time on social media, but at times, my team is sending me pictures of screenshots of young ladies that wanted to get involved with Turning Point chapters, and they have OnlyFans accounts in their bio.

00:37:42.000 And it's like there's no shame anymore around it.

00:37:47.000 Interesting.

00:37:48.000 Anyway, to say, it's been largely normalized.

00:37:51.000 What is your message to the women that are currently captive to the OnlyFans?

00:37:56.000 Well, I think mainly they're looking for value.

00:37:59.000 So if we can break that down a little bit, if like it's not even about the money necessarily, money is like an...

00:38:09.000 They're looking for attention.

00:38:10.000 They're looking for love.

00:38:12.000 Everyone looks for love in different things.

00:38:14.000 Some people look for it in food.

00:38:15.000 Some people look for it in alcohol or family or friends or whatever it is.

00:38:19.000 But these women are actively looking and seeking after love. 1.00

00:38:22.000 but their value is not made up in likes or views or filters.

00:38:27.000 It is truly made up in the audience.

00:38:31.000 You know, God does love you.

00:38:33.000 You are absolutely right about that, but He does not justify your sin.

00:38:36.000 You chose that life, and you can get out of it.

00:38:40.000 It is not a simple path, but you absolutely can get out of that and live the life that God created for you.

00:38:47.000 You know, if God says you are fearfully and wonderfully made, you are.

00:38:50.000 You know, when you look at how God described in Genesis.

00:38:54.000 When he created the earth, about it being good.

00:38:56.000 You know, he says, like, the sun, the moon, the stars, the galaxies, the sea.

00:38:59.000 Animals, that was good, but yet he describes us as fearfully and wonderfully made.

00:39:04.000 He thinks you're wonderful, you know, and that's such a special thing to do and be in the sight of God.

00:39:09.000 So I feel like you're looking for an identity so hard in the world and the world is giving you so much, only so much.

00:39:18.000 My husband explained it the best that the devil has a budget.

00:39:21.000 He can only give you so much, but God can give you everything that you've ever actually needed.

00:39:29.000 We're in such a generation of pleasure and me and selfishness and pride and ego.

00:39:34.000 And it's such a blinder.

00:39:36.000 You know, this world, living our life is not about us.

00:39:39.000 It's about being a servant.

00:39:41.000 Just like Jesus came not to be served, but to be a servant. 0.62

00:39:44.000 That is what our purpose is.

00:39:45.000 And the sooner we find that out, the better our lives will be.

00:39:48.000 So the, it's a beautiful message.

00:39:51.000 Thank you.

00:39:52.000 Do you think the church, the American church, has served?

00:39:57.000 Young people, young women well.

00:40:00.000 Which denomination?

00:40:02.000 Well, any, let's say, the evangelical church, the non-denominate, because, I mean, the church should be the one that is speaking love into these people's lives.

00:40:15.000 How many pastors are even speaking about the crisis of pornography?

00:40:19.000 Not a lot.

00:40:20.000 I know, like, one, Jonathan Pakluda, does openly speak about that.

00:40:23.000 Love his sermons.

00:40:24.000 John Bevere does speak about it.

00:40:26.000 Love his books.

00:40:27.000 But not a lot.

00:40:29.000 And I'm very surprised about it.

00:40:30.000 But what they seem to be doing is mainly just talking towards the men, which, yes, they need to be spoken to and taught.

00:40:35.000 But the women need a safe haven. 1.00

00:40:37.000 And that church should be the safe haven because as the body of Christ, we are the arms, the hands, the fingers.

00:40:43.000 We are meant to reach out.

00:40:44.000 And if we are not doing that, we are stuck in place.

00:40:48.000 It's like the body of Christ now has arthritis or something.

00:40:51.000 We just don't want to move.

00:40:52.000 We're so comfortable where we are.

00:40:54.000 In the five years I was on OnlyFans, Jordan was the only person to tell me.

00:40:58.000 Tell me about Christ and like how much he loved me.

00:41:01.000 I had not one Christian, not one person that went to church.

00:41:05.000 Tell me about that.

00:41:06.000 So what are these pastors?

00:41:07.000 I mean, so we have multi-billions of dollars spent on Christian ministry every year.

00:41:11.000 Right.

00:41:11.000 Where is it going?

00:41:12.000 To go build a water well in Senegal, which is fine.

00:41:15.000 Great.

00:41:16.000 Cool.

00:41:16.000 But like you're trying to tell me not a single pastor or like young woman Christian.

00:41:22.000 No one ever reached out to you to minister to you?

00:41:24.000 Not one person.

00:41:25.000 That's kind of strange, isn't it?

00:41:28.000 It's a bit like seeing it from this lens.

00:41:30.000 Yes, it's very strange because of all the proclaimed like Christians, you know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:41:35.000 There's so many.

00:41:36.000 Why do you think that is?

00:41:38.000 I think Christians have gotten very comfortable.

00:41:41.000 Roughly speaking, I'm not all.

00:41:43.000 They've gotten very comfortable going to church on Sunday, you know, supporting in this young adults group.

00:41:49.000 Like they're comfortable in their scenario because nothing inside their circle is uncomfortable.

00:41:54.000 Nothing is unclean.

00:41:55.000 But like, you know, again, like with the Pharisees, they didn't want to touch people.

00:41:58.000 They didn't want to touch the unclean, the lepers, the blind, the sick. 0.98

00:42:02.000 They didn't touch them.

00:42:04.000 God did.

00:42:04.000 Jesus did.

00:42:06.000 So, I don't know why they're not, though.

00:42:16.000 I don't have the answer for that.

00:42:17.000 No, yeah, I just, I don't either.

00:42:19.000 I just find it, I mean, you're an interesting test case, right?

00:42:22.000 Where you were hyper-social, so you're very easy to reach.

00:42:24.000 Yeah.

00:42:25.000 Right.

00:42:25.000 I mean, like a youth pastor very well could have been like...

00:42:29.000 I was always in my DMs and emails.

00:42:30.000 Yeah, I mean, like, I don't know.

00:42:31.000 I have an email in my bio.

00:42:32.000 Some pastor, I don't know, or some person who does this for a living could have been like, hey, we should chat.

00:42:39.000 There is a God.

00:42:40.000 He loves you.

00:42:44.000 Most likely.

00:42:45.000 But it never happened.

00:42:46.000 And I'm so surprised by that.

00:42:48.000 But hold on.

00:42:49.000 We literally have ministries where people go to people on death row.

00:42:52.000 Absolutely.

00:42:53.000 Which is good.

00:42:54.000 Everyone deserves the gospel, right?

00:42:56.000 Yeah.

00:42:56.000 But I don't understand why there's like so...

00:42:59.000 Love that.

00:43:00.000 I would love to go do my own missionary work across the country, something like that.

00:43:03.000 But again, people in our own backyard.

00:43:04.000 You're doing missionary work right now.

00:43:06.000 I love that.

00:43:07.000 But again, people in our own backyards are absolutely suffering, hurting, you know, and like, man, Jesus came for that broken person, left the 99 to find the one I was that one.

00:43:19.000 Yeah.

00:43:21.000 And so talk more about like, I mean, for this, I know that we've been through this a little bit, but I think it's important.

00:43:27.000 Like, do you believe that God?

00:43:32.000 Absolutely.

00:43:33.000 And it was so, like, strategic.

00:43:36.000 You know, when I stopped smoking weed, I hadn't become a Christian yet.

00:43:39.000 I got very sick.

00:43:40.000 Why did you stop smoking weed?

00:43:41.000 I got sick.

00:43:42.000 Oh, okay.

00:43:42.000 Like, it was so weird.

00:43:44.000 I got, like, this weird flu or something, and it, like, repelled me from smoking weed.

00:43:49.000 I was, it was early, early, uh, no, wait, sorry, late December.

00:43:53.000 This was, like, before I got saved.

00:43:56.000 I got so sick and I stopped smoking weed.

00:43:59.000 And I was like, what's going on with my body?

00:44:02.000 I've been so dependent on this for such a long time.

00:44:05.000 But I realize that now that God needed me to be sober-minded in order to accept Him into my heart.

00:44:11.000 I wasn't strung out on drugs.

00:44:13.000 And there's nothing wrong with people being strung out and then accepting Christ.

00:44:16.000 God loves you no matter what.

00:44:17.000 But I was sober-minded.

00:44:18.000 I knew what I was doing.

00:44:20.000 I understood the decision and the leap of faith that I was about to take in my life, and I took it.

00:44:25.000 But God did very strategic things in my life, starting with Jordan and what he was saying to me from the beginning that caused conviction in my heart about stopping content.

00:44:34.000 It was just random little things.

00:44:38.000 Obviously, like the cussing, I threw out half my closet of clothes because I was like, I can't even give this clothes away because I'd hate for another woman to be out wearing this. 1.00

00:44:46.000 It's too promiscuous, you know?

00:44:48.000 So just making those steps and just continuing in faith, like faith is the hardest thing for a new believer to do and have, is just have faith in Christ.

00:44:57.000 Let Him provide your needs.

00:44:59.000 Like I had no idea where my next paycheck was going to come from.

00:45:01.000 And God just provided everything I needed in that moment.

00:45:05.000 Not millions of dollars, not hundreds of thousands.

00:45:07.000 Exactly what I needed.

00:45:10.000 Thank you for that.

00:45:11.000 So in the scriptures, it warns against pharmakia, which is the use of psychological or psychoactive agents.

00:45:18.000 I believe it's in the book of Romans.

00:45:20.000 I could be wrong.

00:45:21.000 Where Paul talks about negatively this idea of taking drugs and how it could inhibit your pursuit of the Lord.

00:45:30.000 Right.

00:45:30.000 When you were doing weed, were you fully human?

00:45:34.000 Doing the weed.

00:45:35.000 Yeah, or doing weed.

00:45:37.000 Smoking?

00:45:38.000 Whatever.

00:45:39.000 Well, I mean, you can ingest it too.

00:45:41.000 I don't know.

00:45:42.000 I feel like this is an episode off The Office or something.

00:45:44.000 You could eat it.

00:45:45.000 It could be an edible, right?

00:45:46.000 Yes, you could.

00:45:47.000 I'm sorry.

00:45:48.000 So when you were smoking weed, I've never done weed.

00:45:52.000 I'm glad.

00:45:53.000 No, that's not true.

00:45:54.000 No, that's not true.

00:45:55.000 I did a podcast with Bill Maher and he had a blunt in front of me the entire time.

00:46:02.000 Oh my gosh.

00:46:03.000 Five of them.

00:46:04.000 And I think I got secondhand.

00:46:06.000 For sure.

00:46:06.000 How'd you feel after that?

00:46:07.000 Super hungry and paranoid.

00:46:08.000 Oh my gosh.

00:46:09.000 Yeah, that's a great side effect of weed.

00:46:12.000 So doing the weed.

00:46:13.000 I was very chill throughout the entire podcast, interestingly.

00:46:18.000 But no, and I was super paranoid afterwards.

00:46:20.000 So when you were smoking weed, do you feel as if you were fully human?

00:46:25.000 Gosh, no.

00:46:26.000 It made me feel like I could work out harder and I felt nothing.

00:46:30.000 Like, I was invincible.

00:46:32.000 Because, like, you know, people, things could happen in my life and I would not care at all.

00:46:38.000 I had no care at all about people, about, like, the decisions I was making.

00:46:43.000 My own feelings were so just drained out of me.

00:46:47.000 You know, I just, I did not care about anything.

00:46:50.000 I did whatever I wanted and that was it.

00:46:54.000 So I'm glad you said that.

00:46:56.000 So I have two opinions where the comment section disagrees with me.

00:46:59.000 Okay.

00:47:00.000 And that is my support of Israel, which we're not going to talk about, but it's also weed.

00:47:04.000 I'm very much against weed, marijuana, culture.

00:47:08.000 Talk about that.

00:47:09.000 I mean, this generation thinks it's fine.

00:47:10.000 It's good for you.

00:47:11.000 Well, you know what the biggest excuse I hear is, well, then why did God make weed?

00:47:14.000 I said, God made the plant.

00:47:16.000 Man made it into a drug.

00:47:18.000 Okay.

00:47:18.000 Right.

00:47:19.000 Like, we don't turn palm trees into drugs.

00:47:21.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:47:21.000 I don't think it is, but you know what I'm saying?

00:47:23.000 You know, I'm just saying, God made it initially a beautiful thing, and we corrupted it.

00:47:30.000 Yeah, I'm like, I'm not gonna eat a cactus. 0.99

00:47:32.000 Like, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. 0.96

00:47:33.000 That's what I'm saying. 0.99

00:47:33.000 I'm like, what does that have to do with anything? 0.99

00:47:36.000 There's lots of things out there that give you a reaction.

00:47:38.000 Some are very poisonous, you know what I'm saying?

00:47:40.000 But we just so happens not to be.

00:47:41.000 But we've abused things time and time and time again.

00:47:45.000 Okay, think about it like this.

00:47:46.000 God made cows.

00:47:47.000 We made McDonald's.

00:47:48.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:47:49.000 Something poisonous.

00:47:50.000 And I hope not to offend the audience here, but look at modern America now.

00:47:55.000 We're so strung out on anything we can get our hands on.

00:47:58.000 It's like we always want to be numb.

00:48:01.000 We want to feel something other than normal.

00:48:03.000 And then they complain about, oh, I just want to be normal.

00:48:06.000 I want a normal life.

00:48:07.000 But you don't even know what baseline is.

00:48:10.000 Totally.

00:48:10.000 And so I speak out against the use of weed a lot.

00:48:14.000 I do too now.

00:48:15.000 I really do.

00:48:16.000 I'm glad you do because your voice is obviously, I mean, I have one secondhand experience.

00:48:20.000 You actually have, you know, multiple years.

00:48:23.000 Seven years.

00:48:23.000 Yes.

00:48:23.000 Yeah.

00:48:24.000 Are you happier?

00:48:25.000 Yes, I sleep better.

00:48:27.000 But everyone says, I need it, I can't sleep.

00:48:29.000 Oh, I felt that for a very long time.

00:48:31.000 Was that a lie?

00:48:32.000 So, it depends.

00:48:34.000 There's different strands of the marijuanas, you know, so the weeds.

00:48:38.000 There is, like, there's one that's called an indica, which is, like, a very heavy, like, they call it, like, the nighttime weed, you know, because it relaxes you.

00:48:46.000 You feel very chill.

00:48:47.000 You're like a couch potato on it.

00:48:49.000 There's sativa, which is your daytime weed, which is like, it's kind of an upper, you know what I'm saying?

00:48:53.000 You don't get too high off of it unless you're smoking mass amounts of it.

00:49:00.000 But I used to be so religious on smoking sativa in the morning, hybrids during the afternoon, and then a nice indica at night, you know, because your body's like functioning off of that.

00:49:09.000 I was like even taking Adderall.

00:49:11.000 So like it's like an upper and a downer made me feel like crazy, like a crackhead actually.

00:49:17.000 So it's just anything to do the content and get it over with.

00:49:21.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:49:22.000 Yeah.

00:49:22.000 And so the consumption or the use of marijuana is so normalized.

00:49:26.000 With this generation.

00:49:28.000 Yeah.

00:49:28.000 So alcoholism is actually down dramatically.

00:49:31.000 That's good.

00:49:31.000 With Gen Z. That's great.

00:49:32.000 Why do you think that is?

00:49:33.000 Well, because they're doing weed.

00:49:34.000 They're smoking weed.

00:49:35.000 So I mean, like, so there's, that's just, one is offsetting the other.

00:49:39.000 Or I notice a lot with our, this new generation is everyone's saying they have anxiety, they have depression, and they're taking pills for it, which I don't think you can drink on those kinds of pills.

00:49:48.000 No, you should not drink on benzodiazepines or Zoloft.

00:49:51.000 That's a bad idea.

00:49:52.000 Don't do that.

00:49:53.000 So the...

00:50:02.000 You're happier?

00:50:03.000 I am very happy.

00:50:04.000 I'm not saying that life is just good now.

00:50:07.000 It's been very hard, very difficult making these transitions because the biggest thing that God cares about is your heart.

00:50:14.000 My heart was very damaged.

00:50:15.000 I went through a lot of trauma throughout my childhood, teenage years, early 20s, and now I'm here.

00:50:21.000 You know, I don't have a good father in my life.

00:50:23.000 I don't even have a good mother. 0.92

00:50:25.000 I'm not great in communication with my siblings.

00:50:28.000 Life is hard.

00:50:29.000 I deal with a lot of issues, but...

00:50:34.000 I find joy in my life now.

00:50:36.000 Happiness is fading, but joy is forever through Christ.

00:50:39.000 While you were on OnlyFans, did you have any external relationships with men?

00:50:44.000 Non-digital?

00:50:47.000 Absolutely.

00:50:47.000 Okay.

00:50:48.000 Absolutely.

00:50:49.000 Yeah, I knew a lot.

00:50:50.000 There were so many men in my industry.

00:50:52.000 Not even people who produced- No, I mean romantic.

00:50:54.000 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

00:50:56.000 They were on OnlyFans though.

00:50:58.000 They were male OnlyFans creators.

00:51:00.000 Yes.

00:51:01.000 And they were producing content for other men?

00:51:04.000 Yes.

00:51:05.000 Okay. 0.98

00:51:06.000 Because again, women don't buy porn. 1.00

00:51:08.000 They just don't.

00:51:09.000 It's very rare.

00:51:10.000 It's like 2-3%.

00:51:12.000 Yes. 0.83

00:51:12.000 So yeah, they were producing, they were like gay baiting it's called. 0.83

00:51:16.000 What is gay baiting? 0.96

00:51:18.000 Oh, gosh. 0.98

00:51:19.000 Gay baiting is basically when you act gay in front of a camera to... 0.97

00:51:27.000 They're not actually gay. 0.86

00:51:29.000 Is there a lot of money in that? 0.56

00:51:30.000 There's more money than they would make as a just straight creator.

00:51:33.000 Men do not make money if they're just with a girl on OnlyFans. 0.74

00:51:37.000 Girls aren't buying their porn. 1.00

00:51:39.000 They're just not. 0.80

00:51:40.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:51:40.000 And if guys want to see that girl, she has an OnlyFans.

00:51:43.000 So they'll just go to the girl.

00:51:45.000 Wow. 0.83

00:51:46.000 So a lot of guys slipped into being homosexual but not actually being homosexual. 0.77

00:51:49.000 You can imagine the damage done. 0.96

00:51:52.000 So I saw that so much and it was actually very disgusting and disturbing. 0.91

00:51:57.000 What percentage of OnlyFan creators are men that are gay dating, would you say? 0.82

00:52:02.000 20%?

00:52:02.000 I wouldn't even know.

00:52:03.000 Probably, maybe.

00:52:04.000 It's not a huge, huge amount.

00:52:05.000 But most of these guys are actually like escorts, I noticed.

00:52:10.000 From maybe Las Vegas or something like that.

00:52:13.000 They're escorting on the side.

00:52:15.000 They're like sugar babies.

00:52:17.000 And then they just fall into OnlyFans.

00:52:19.000 Or they're actually from the porn world where they were actually just having male-female scenes.

00:52:24.000 They're not making the kind of money they do on OnlyFans.

00:52:27.000 And they quit that just to do OnlyFans.

00:52:29.000 So, a more, like, let's just say legal or governmental or political question.

00:52:37.000 Do you think we should make it harder to consume porn in this country?

00:52:43.000 Like, I really want to say yes.

00:52:45.000 But, like, I know it's still going to happen.

00:52:49.000 I do think there has to be limits put on it.

00:52:52.000 Right now, it's just, like, open zoo time.

00:52:54.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:52:55.000 Like, you can just do whatever with whoever.

00:52:57.000 I mean, I think it needs to start with even simpler things without just a straight ban.

00:53:03.000 Yes, that needs to come.

00:53:04.000 But starting with like STD checking on OnlyFans.

00:53:08.000 Nobody gets STD checked on OnlyFans.

00:53:11.000 So you can imagine it's a Petri dish.

00:53:13.000 I don't know.

00:53:15.000 OnlyFans doesn't. 0.99

00:53:19.000 So starting with small things would go a very long way to stop.

00:53:22.000 I mean, that wouldn't stop things, but it would create a safer environment.

00:53:27.000 Not that we're supporting that, but you know what I'm saying?

00:53:29.000 Like little steps to need to be taken before that's just actual ban.

00:53:33.000 Because people, what I've noticed is that like when TikTok was going down, other sites just popped up all around.

00:53:39.000 OnlyFans was banned another.

00:53:45.000 It would happen regardless.

00:53:46.000 People tend to revolt. 0.98

00:53:48.000 They think it's their, like, God-given right to be able to masturbate. 0.50

00:53:52.000 And it's like, you don't even realize, you call it a freedom, but it's really just enchaining you in prison. 0.56

00:53:58.000 You are not free any longer.

00:54:00.000 You are tied.

00:54:01.000 You are chained to this desire, this pleasure, this instant gratification, so that when real world hits, You can't even make a decision for yourself.

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00:55:16.000 So I didn't quite realize this, but maybe I'm misunderstanding.

00:55:19.000 When you were producing content, were there also men involved or was it just yourself?

00:55:24.000 No, men involved.

00:55:25.000 Really?

00:55:25.000 Yes.

00:55:26.000 Okay, how typical is that?

00:55:28.000 Very normal.

00:55:29.000 Oh, it happens like all the time.

00:55:31.000 The stereotype of OnlyFans that it's just a woman, you know, doing... 1.00

00:55:36.000 Some women, you know, but the majority of women are having sex with their significant other. 1.00

00:55:42.000 A lot of women actually on OnlyFans are married. 1.00

00:55:44.000 And they'll do, they have a very non-monogamous relationship.

00:55:49.000 Evidently.

00:55:50.000 So they just sleep around all the time.

00:55:52.000 They go to content houses, share their husbands with other women. 0.99

00:55:55.000 I see it all the time.

00:55:56.000 All the time.

00:55:57.000 All the time.

00:55:58.000 Are you seeking to try to communicate to the former friends that are OnlyFans to encourage them?

00:56:04.000 I already am.

00:56:05.000 And how is that going?

00:56:07.000 Both sides of the scale.

00:56:09.000 I have yet to see one full conversion yet, though.

00:56:13.000 Why do you think that is?

00:56:14.000 It's hard when you don't have a good community.

00:56:18.000 I had Jordan, my husband.

00:56:19.000 I had his mom, who was like an angel, who helped me get out and stay out.

00:56:25.000 What did you tell me about her?

00:56:27.000 My mother-in-law?

00:56:28.000 Yeah, I mean, you said she's an angel.

00:56:29.000 Oh, she's an angel.

00:56:30.000 So she, like, was fasting and praying over my conversion.

00:56:34.000 She was the one who coached me in modesty.

00:56:37.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:56:38.000 Like, so many things.

00:56:39.000 She was there for me when I called her, and she was so kind and loving towards me.

00:56:43.000 Like, such a, I felt like such a broken person coming out of the industry.

00:56:47.000 And I'm like, who would love me after what I've done?

00:56:50.000 Like, do you know how many women on the outside of OnlyFans like women like me?

00:56:55.000 Hardly any.

00:56:56.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:56:56.000 Because most of the time, their men are watching me or my friends online.

00:57:00.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:57:01.000 So it's a really hard reality.

00:57:03.000 Yeah, that's my mother-in-law. 0.88

00:57:04.000 She's just a perfect angel, truly.

00:57:07.000 And so she helped me.

00:57:08.000 But when women don't have a support system like that, it's so hard to get out. 1.00

00:57:13.000 It is so hard to get out because now you're going into complete nothingness, complete unawareness.

00:57:19.000 You don't have a church community.

00:57:20.000 You don't have good friends helping, guiding you, helping you with accountability.

00:57:24.000 It's difficult.

00:57:26.000 And yes, I could help you with that, but I'm still online.

00:57:29.000 I can give you my phone number, but other than that, I'm not in your state or we're not regularly meeting up.

00:57:35.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:57:36.000 So I've tried so hard in talking to women, not just texting, but actually having FaceTime.

00:57:46.000 I know you're afraid of financial struggle, but this is what God says about that.

00:57:51.000 And this is what God has done in my life.

00:57:53.000 So you don't need to be scared about anything.

00:57:55.000 You have the power to leave.

00:57:57.000 You cannot stay in this forever.

00:57:59.000 And the devil wants to keep you tied down in that.

00:58:02.000 I've had so many conversations.

00:58:03.000 I've sent girls books to read just as like little helpers.

00:58:08.000 There's only so much I can do.

00:58:10.000 I can't force them.

00:58:12.000 Yes.

00:58:12.000 Praying is a wonderful tool.

00:58:14.000 And if they see you married happily and God willing with kids in the future, there's a very, very high suicide rate of people in the porn industry.

00:58:24.000 Very, very high.

00:58:25.000 I had a lot of friends commit suicide.

00:58:27.000 Seriously.

00:58:28.000 Absolutely.

00:58:29.000 One of them killed her boyfriend. 0.94

00:58:31.000 She was a huge raging drug addict, and she just stabbed her boyfriend, almost husband, in the heart. 1.00

00:58:38.000 Just one randomly. 0.99

00:58:39.000 I had literally done content with this woman.

00:58:42.000 And the scriptures are very clear, but you cannot indulge this much in the flesh and not have other sins come to the surface.

00:58:48.000 It is the primary gateway that the enemy comes after you, is sins of the flesh.

00:58:55.000 So modesty coaching.

00:58:56.000 What is that?

00:58:58.000 Okay.

00:58:58.000 So, you know, all right.

00:58:59.000 It starts like a day at a time, you know?

00:59:01.000 So I would go to my husband and be like, I'm going through my Instagram at the time, like deleting things.

00:59:06.000 I was like, what do you think about this?

00:59:08.000 Honestly, as a man, what do you think?

00:59:10.000 Because I trust myself, but I don't trust myself that much to be, you know, like completely right about.

00:59:16.000 What's on my Instagram?

00:59:17.000 What's on my social media pages?

00:59:19.000 If it's too revealing, if it's too promiscuous, if it's borderline, I don't want it on there.

00:59:23.000 So she and him really helped me with like, okay, this might not be that appropriate.

00:59:29.000 You know, you're wearing clothes, but the face you're making is kind of like sexually insinuative.

00:59:33.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:59:33.000 So let's get that off.

00:59:35.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:59:35.000 It was really helpful.

00:59:37.000 Did anyone ever do that for you before?

00:59:40.000 No.

00:59:40.000 Your mom did not?

00:59:41.000 My mom was just very controlling in like what I wore. 0.99

00:59:45.000 I think that was a huge rebellion for me, too.

00:59:48.000 Like, she directed my life as to, like, what I wore, how much makeup I wore, stuff like that.

00:59:54.000 And it felt so caging.

00:59:55.000 I got so angry as a teenager about that.

00:59:57.000 I was like, why are you controlling my entire life?

01:00:00.000 How long I work?

01:00:02.000 What car I get?

01:00:03.000 Like, I was just so upset.

01:00:05.000 Have you reconciled with your mom?

01:00:05.000 I've really tried.

01:00:07.000 It's not that she's not open to it, but it's just our life has been separate for the last, like, four or five years.

01:00:12.000 Well, you have to honor your parents, so keep trying.

01:00:15.000 I do.

01:00:16.000 It's hard.

01:00:16.000 And I'm trying.

01:00:17.000 There's a reason why it's a commandment.

01:00:19.000 That's very true.

01:00:19.000 God would not have to command you if it was easy.

01:00:21.000 And just be normal.

01:00:22.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:00:23.000 It is very difficult.

01:00:25.000 It's good for you and good for her.

01:00:26.000 Yeah.

01:00:26.000 And I'm really loving both of us are trying.

01:00:31.000 Good.

01:00:31.000 And that's a great start.

01:00:31.000 That's all that matters.

01:00:32.000 You know, she's getting therapy. 0.59

01:00:34.000 I'm getting therapy.

01:00:35.000 It's awesome.

01:00:36.000 Again, so this is very important is that it does not say you have to be your parents' best friend.

01:00:40.000 No.

01:00:40.000 To honor literally means just to treat heavily with a lot of respect.

01:00:44.000 With a lot of understanding.

01:00:46.000 Yeah.

01:00:47.000 It's kind of hard to treat my dad that way.

01:00:48.000 Well, no, and that's a big deal, right?

01:00:51.000 So it's like, for me, it's kind of hard to understand how to honor him.

01:00:54.000 You are in the sub 1%, and I get this from Dennis Prager.

01:00:59.000 Most people are not in your position.

01:01:00.000 Most people do not have dads that are facing life sentences in jail, right?

01:01:03.000 That were former pastors.

01:01:05.000 You are definitely in the sub 1%, okay?

01:01:07.000 The majority actually have a case that you have with your mom, where it's like, we don't quite get along.

01:01:13.000 Yeah.

01:01:13.000 That is not a good reason to sever ties for the rest of your life.

01:01:17.000 And you're not.

01:01:18.000 Your father is a separate situation.

01:01:24.000 I do.

01:01:25.000 Sometimes I'll just tell God, like, God, I honestly can't pray for him, but I know he's in your hands.

01:01:29.000 It's very painful.

01:01:30.000 And I don't even have a good answer to that.

01:01:32.000 It's very painful.

01:01:32.000 And honoring your parents does not mean That is not the teaching.

01:01:44.000 But instead, what we have, and we see it, obviously, so many kids disconnect with their parents because they're like, oh, I don't know.

01:01:51.000 They're just like, they don't agree with me.

01:01:53.000 They don't agree with me.

01:01:54.000 It's like, no, no, no.

01:01:54.000 And remember, it's the only commandment that comes with a promise and involves your country.

01:01:58.000 Honor your mother and father so that you may live long in the land of which you are in.

01:02:01.000 So the modesty in coaching is very interesting.

01:02:04.000 I want to stay on that for a second.

01:02:05.000 It's important for women transitioning out of anything or men. 0.99

01:02:09.000 It's like when you go to a drug rehab, what do they do?

01:02:11.000 They're coaching you.

01:02:13.000 You're going through therapy.

01:02:14.000 You're taking other medications to get off the thing that you were addicted to.

01:02:18.000 I was addicted to dressing promiscuously because of the attention I got.

01:02:23.000 So when you walked into a bar and you dressed promiscuously, would you kind of get extra energy?

01:02:32.000 Feeling of self-worth when you saw men look at you a certain way?

01:02:35.000 Absolutely.

01:02:36.000 Is that why women dress the way they do? 1.00

01:02:39.000 Absolutely.

01:02:40.000 Yeah, I feel like women like to know that their options are open. 1.00

01:02:44.000 You know, like you got multiple men kind of looking at you up and down like, oh, I got options.

01:02:48.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:02:50.000 Our dating generation is horrible right now.

01:02:52.000 Is that rooted in insecurity?

01:02:54.000 Truly.

01:02:55.000 More for women than I think it is men.

01:02:57.000 I don't know.

01:02:58.000 Definitely men deal with insecurity and I can't speak for them, but I know for a fact as a woman who dressed like that, who acted like that, it is deeply rooted in insecurity and not being accepted by either a dad or a mom figure or friends or being bullied or molested or raped.

01:03:15.000 So let me ask, do you think it's proper for any Christian woman to put a picture of themselves in a bikini on their Instagram? 1.00

01:03:21.000 Absolutely not.

01:03:22.000 Why do they do that?

01:03:23.000 I mean, if you're a Christian, number one, whether you're married or not, your body's for your husband.

01:03:29.000 So right there, you should have enough respect not to show that much skin.

01:03:34.000 So a bikini is a perfect example for me.

01:03:36.000 When I was on a trip with my husband's parents, she breathed.

01:03:46.000 I was wearing a bikini.

01:03:47.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:03:47.000 We're swimming all day.

01:03:48.000 And she just very gently and lovingly was like, maybe don't wear those bottoms.

01:03:53.000 And I was like, okay.

01:03:54.000 Thank you for telling me.

01:03:56.000 Like, for in my mind, like, some things are still okay.

01:03:59.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:03:59.000 But I need that gentle, loving nudge to be like, listen, this isn't okay anymore.

01:04:04.000 You don't live in the kingdom of darkness anymore.

01:04:07.000 You are in the kingdom of light.

01:04:08.000 You are a representation of Christ.

01:04:10.000 You know, my body is a temple.

01:04:12.000 My body belongs to my husband and God.

01:04:14.000 Amen.

01:04:14.000 I just, and so I, again, I'm not here to like, I'm not here to, like, judge.

01:04:19.000 By the way, this actually is about other women, not you.

01:04:22.000 But, like, I truly – again, I'm not on social media anymore, but, like, people talk and I get pictures.

01:04:27.000 Why is it that so many people that have Bible verses in their bio and Instagram – Have OnlyFans?

01:04:32.000 Well, no, that – I see that a lot.

01:04:35.000 John 316, but here's my OnlyFans.

01:04:37.000 No, I know.

01:04:37.000 It's totally like, yeah, go look and make a picture of me.

01:04:39.000 Here's my cross.

01:04:40.000 It's like, here's my cross.

01:04:41.000 Hey.

01:04:42.000 Like, okay, that's all the time.

01:04:45.000 Sacrilegious.

01:04:45.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:04:46.000 It's like, here's my – subscribe.

01:04:49.000 No, I mean, that is dark and obviously worthy of, like, super deep psychological examination.

01:04:55.000 I mean, like, the actual millions of young ladies who, like, you'll have, like, Jeremiah 29.7, you know, God knows the steps I have for you.

01:05:03.000 And you look at the pictures in their Instagram.

01:05:05.000 And like, if I was Catholic, I'd go to confession.

01:05:08.000 Oh.

01:05:08.000 Like, I mean, it's, you know, it's, this is, this is not, this But yeah, so help me understand.

01:05:16.000 Holy Spirit.

01:05:16.000 Okay, so after Jesus ascended back to heaven after his time here on earth, Holy Spirit came.

01:05:21.000 Holy Spirit is our teacher, our guide, our supporter, but also someone who convicts us.

01:05:27.000 If we are not being convicted as women about the things that we're saying, the things, how we're addressing, what our conversations look like, are we gossiping, are we drinking too much, you know?

01:05:37.000 If we are not being convicted, you are not walking close with Christ.

01:05:40.000 You can proclaim Him all day, but even in the Bible it says there are many that will say, Lord, Lord, but I never knew you.

01:05:47.000 That is the whole point of it.

01:05:48.000 If you are not feeling conviction from the Holy Spirit, not guilt, conviction.

01:05:52.000 Conviction entices change.

01:05:54.000 So again, at the end of this day, like you're either feeling very insecure, you wanting attention, like you think it's just okay because you see other Christian women doing it, which is a really bad example. 0.99

01:06:04.000 So again, I am trying to be that light, that very different light in the world.

01:06:09.000 You know, that light that shines brighter than the other smaller lights.

01:06:13.000 Not because of me, but because of what Christ did in my life.

01:06:16.000 And if I don't change the very makeup of myself.

01:06:20.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:06:21.000 Then nothing's going to happen.

01:06:22.000 I'm not actually going to be able to influence others towards Christ or be an example at least.

01:06:28.000 Yeah, no, that, and I just, again, I'm not here to like scorn people.

01:06:32.000 I just, I see.

01:06:33.000 I see so much of it too.

01:06:35.000 And it confuses me.

01:06:36.000 And then even in the Bible, it talks about being a stumbling block.

01:06:39.000 You are helping others stumble, either men lusting after you or women being like, oh, she's a Christian.

01:06:45.000 She dresses like that. 0.99

01:06:46.000 It's okay for me.

01:06:47.000 And just so you know.

01:06:48.000 If a man sees that, not only is the respect go down, he only will view you for your flesh.

01:06:54.000 Absolutely.

01:06:55.000 And women want to know, why can't I find a husband? 1.00

01:06:58.000 You're not acting like a wife. 0.96

01:06:59.000 Because you're dressing like that.

01:07:00.000 You're literally a Jezebel trying to be a Ruth. 0.98

01:07:02.000 You're dressing like an OnlyFans model.

01:07:03.000 No offense.

01:07:04.000 And so then the man will put you in a different category.

01:07:09.000 Is the church talking about this?

01:07:13.000 No.

01:07:13.000 Why is the church not saying, if you're wearing a bikini, delete it now?

01:07:18.000 Literally stop.

01:07:19.000 Stop showing that much skin.

01:07:21.000 If you're with a friend, that's a separate issue.

01:07:22.000 I'm putting it on social media.

01:07:24.000 For other perverts to see, by the way.

01:07:26.000 Absolutely.

01:07:27.000 I mean, it's not that there's not perverts in real life, like if you go to the beach.

01:07:30.000 Of course, but if it's somebody's backyard, it's with all your friends.

01:07:33.000 Right, right, right.

01:07:34.000 No one cares, right?

01:07:34.000 I mean, if you're going to a pool, going to the beach, something like that, or you want to lay out.

01:07:40.000 I love laying out in the sun.

01:07:41.000 I'm not near a beach or anything, but I'm not around other people either.

01:07:45.000 So, cover up.

01:07:46.000 It's really okay not to show skin.

01:07:48.000 It's really okay.

01:07:49.000 And it's so justifying to know that you are saving yourself for your husband, whether you're married or not.

01:07:57.000 You're saving that.

01:07:58.000 It's special.

01:07:59.000 God values you.

01:08:01.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:08:01.000 Again, like I said this in another interview, like it's a woman, like a generation full of women who want to be Ruth's, but act like Jezebel's.

01:08:09.000 You know, you want to be that Proverbs 31 woman, but you're literally half naked all over the internet. 0.89

01:08:14.000 How does that work?

01:08:15.000 No, I totally thank you for saying that because I've wanted to say that for a while.

01:08:19.000 So everything she said is exactly right.

01:08:21.000 And I would be called all these terrible names.

01:08:24.000 Let me be called those terrible names.

01:08:25.000 But why are the women of the faith not policing this better? 0.99

01:08:29.000 Because we as men police our own really well.

01:08:32.000 We're aggressive with standards.

01:08:35.000 But why are women so accepting of Jezebel-like behavior amongst other Christian women? 0.99

01:08:41.000 I think mainly women hate confrontation. 1.00

01:08:45.000 You know, I think that we have a fear.

01:08:47.000 I don't.

01:08:48.000 But we have a fear in general of confronting a woman. 0.99

01:08:51.000 It's a hard conversation to have.

01:08:53.000 I've had a conversation with a girl who is actually out of the industry and she still dresses immodestly. 0.87

01:09:00.000 And I'm like, I've nudged her on this.

01:09:02.000 I have prayed for her over this.

01:09:04.000 I have brought this topic up multiple times to her about, hey, you know, I saw that you were in this bikini on your, like, it looks like a stripper outfit on your TikTok. 1.00

01:09:13.000 Why did you do that?

01:09:14.000 You know, like, you have a responsibility.

01:09:15.000 Even though you're not a married woman, you have a responsibility to cover up. 0.98

01:09:19.000 Like, I have no shame in helping other women in that journey. 0.99

01:09:24.000 But again, it's just so many people don't like to make other people feel uncomfortable.

01:09:29.000 They want to feel good.

01:09:30.000 They want to feel accepted.

01:09:31.000 They're people pleasers.

01:09:32.000 Women mostly are people pleasers. 1.00

01:09:34.000 No, I know.

01:09:35.000 So that's what's so interesting.

01:09:36.000 So it's really difficult.

01:09:36.000 You're right, is that women are really good norm enforcers, right?

01:09:39.000 So they will follow the ways of the time better than men. 0.98

01:09:45.000 Yeah, very trendy.

01:09:45.000 So I guess it's like, hey, we're in Christian Bible study and now we're all just going to post revealing pictures of ourselves, I guess.

01:09:52.000 What did you just learn in group?

01:09:53.000 Yeah, apparently not.

01:09:55.000 And that's the other thing.

01:09:56.000 So like I could tell you amongst like at least masculine Christianity, the message right now is like – Save yourself for marriage. 0.71

01:10:05.000 Yeah, I see that a lot, which is awesome.

01:10:07.000 Which is great.

01:10:07.000 But I don't see the equivalent on the female side.

01:10:12.000 Why is it that men are holding themselves to higher standards right now?

01:10:16.000 And women, I know you are, but I'm saying generally, I cannot think of a single... 1.00

01:10:22.000 But a single major woman voice in Christianity that doesn't just do the Jesus Loves You sermon every single time I see them talk. 1.00

01:10:31.000 Yeah.

01:10:31.000 I understand.

01:10:32.000 I'm trying to understand.

01:10:35.000 This generation has changed so much.

01:10:37.000 If you haven't noticed the shift in women's attitudes, it's definitely like, I'm independent. 1.00

01:10:42.000 I don't need a man. 0.99

01:10:43.000 I'm a girl boss. 0.98

01:10:45.000 Everyone can shut up.

01:10:46.000 I'm just going to do what I want.

01:10:47.000 There's no accountability being held by parents, by friends, by churches.

01:10:54.000 I see absolutely no accountability.

01:10:56.000 It's like women are literally running rampant right now. 1.00

01:10:59.000 But what's crazy to me too is like this whole like trad wife thing is coming back and it's all of a sudden like this big issue. 0.99

01:11:06.000 Like these whores are trying to be trad wives. 1.00

01:11:08.000 I get that all the time. 1.00

01:11:09.000 All the time people call me a whore and that I can't be a trad wife. 0.99

01:11:12.000 How do you respond to that? 0.99

01:11:13.000 Oh, I laugh.

01:11:14.000 It's hilarious.

01:11:17.000 It's hilarious.

01:11:18.000 Where do you get that attitude from?

01:11:19.000 Oh, I'm such a bubbly person and God has given me so much grace that I cannot not show that grace.

01:11:26.000 I can't.

01:11:27.000 Keep going on the trad wife thing. 1.00

01:11:29.000 Okay, so this whole trad wife movement of like whores becoming traditional women. 0.99

01:11:33.000 I'm like, okay, listen, I do not call myself a traditional wife. 0.97

01:11:37.000 I'm not a trad wife.

01:11:38.000 I'm just a good wife, okay?

01:11:40.000 I cook for my husband.

01:11:41.000 I clean sometimes, you know.

01:11:43.000 I love to take care of my husband.

01:11:48.000 Like, I love when I give him a plate of food and he's just so smiley and happy.

01:11:53.000 Oh, I know the feeling.

01:11:54.000 It brings me so much joy.

01:11:55.000 So that is what I am.

01:11:57.000 I'm just a good wife.

01:11:58.000 It's a big deal.

01:11:59.000 It is a big deal.

01:11:59.000 Bigger than modern women realize.

01:12:01.000 If you have to do takeout many nights a week, it's bad for your marriage.

01:12:05.000 I'm sorry.

01:12:05.000 So bad.

01:12:06.000 I know it sounds provocative.

01:12:08.000 I see an issue with this generation is because they learn no skills.

01:12:12.000 This generation of like Gen Z, Gen Alpha, all they know how to do is pick up a phone and post and tag and, you know, My mom. 0.97

01:12:24.000 So that was one good thing.

01:12:25.000 It was a great thing.

01:12:26.000 I would never take that away from her.

01:12:27.000 She showed love in like, you know, showing talent.

01:12:31.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:12:31.000 Like, she's like, you need to be good in this, so learn it.

01:12:34.000 You know, I hated it when I was a kid, but I'm very grateful I actually learned because now I have a husband.

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01:13:37.000 What percentage of the women at our Women's Summit do you think would benefit from a home ec class? 1.00

01:13:43.000 I think we should do a home ec breakout.

01:13:46.000 I'm not kidding.

01:13:46.000 I'm not kidding either.

01:13:47.000 I think it would be amazing.

01:13:48.000 We used to have home ec in our middle school.

01:13:49.000 I took home ec growing up and it was great.

01:13:52.000 This is why I produce cooking videos on my Instagram.

01:13:54.000 I'm like, here, here's a simple bread making video.

01:13:57.000 Six ingredients.

01:13:58.000 Anybody's got it in their pantry.

01:14:00.000 Make a bread for your husband. 0.54

01:14:01.000 My husband loves my homemade bread.

01:14:03.000 That's the patriarchy.

01:14:04.000 Why would you serve your husband like that? 0.99

01:14:05.000 What do you mean?

01:14:06.000 It's the patriarchy.

01:14:08.000 I hate this whole movement. 0.99

01:14:10.000 I hate it so much.

01:14:12.000 I don't know.

01:14:12.000 I just feel like redemption is not a thing for people if you really don't believe in it.

01:14:17.000 But redemption is such a real thing.

01:14:19.000 Change can happen.

01:14:21.000 I'm being sarcastic.

01:14:21.000 I know you are.

01:14:22.000 It just really reflects on me.

01:14:24.000 How would you ever serve your husband is like a narrative.

01:14:27.000 Right.

01:14:28.000 Because I'm a boss babe.

01:14:29.000 I don't need a husband.

01:14:30.000 I don't need a provider.

01:14:32.000 Facts.

01:14:33.000 It's an honor to serve my husband.

01:14:35.000 Honor.

01:14:36.000 I love him dearly.

01:14:38.000 And he has, he introduced me to Christ.

01:14:40.000 Like, man, it's just.

01:14:45.000 Yes, someday.

01:14:46.000 Not right now.

01:14:47.000 I'm really happy just me and him.

01:14:48.000 I really am happy.

01:14:50.000 That's beautiful.

01:14:50.000 So I have a difficult question when it comes to kids.

01:14:54.000 Okay.

01:14:56.000 About my past.

01:14:57.000 No, I'm sure people have asked you about this, but I'm going to ask it gently, right?

01:15:01.000 How are you going to introduce your kids to your past?

01:15:04.000 I'm never going to lie.

01:15:06.000 I feel like in the very beginning, I don't have it all figured out.

01:15:10.000 In the beginning stages of their life, I feel like I will be very graceful, not super open, open about it, but I would love to sit down with them and have that conversation.

01:15:23.000 But that conversation will only lead into, and this is my transition story.

01:15:29.000 How will you tell it?

01:15:30.000 In the best possible way.

01:15:32.000 And if you don't know, that's fine.

01:15:34.000 I don't know.

01:15:36.000 Yes.

01:15:36.000 And I'm praying over them heavily.

01:15:38.000 I pray over my future children so much.

01:15:41.000 I can't believe it.

01:15:42.000 Like, their futures, their minds.

01:15:44.000 I ask God to protect their hearts, their minds, everything that they're going to go through, that there would be no person in their life that would just, out of pure evil, show them.

01:15:55.000 Anything.

01:15:56.000 So I hope the younger audience knows this very self-evidently.

01:16:02.000 The older audience probably hasn't thought about this.

01:16:04.000 What you did online still lives.

01:16:07.000 Yep, unfortunately.

01:16:08.000 And I'm not trying to throw that in your face.

01:16:09.000 No, no, no.

01:16:09.000 I just want to make sure everyone understands that this is a very real thing.

01:16:14.000 It's a repercussion.

01:16:15.000 You just do it for a period of time and then you get away from it.

01:16:18.000 And then it's gone.

01:16:18.000 No.

01:16:19.000 There's a serious heaviness to that.

01:16:21.000 Oh, it's a terrible heaviness.

01:16:22.000 And only Jesus can release you from that.

01:16:25.000 Otherwise, you would live in this constant state of shame and guilt, right?

01:16:29.000 How do you process that?

01:16:31.000 In the beginning, it was super hard.

01:16:33.000 It was more so hard.

01:16:36.000 When my husband started getting sent my old content, that was so hard.

01:16:41.000 How did he deal with that?

01:16:43.000 You know, he went through a very rough time with it.

01:16:45.000 Who wouldn't?

01:16:46.000 Yeah, of course.

01:16:46.000 That's your wife.

01:16:47.000 That's someone that you love and respect and honor, and then she's being shown in such a terrible light, you know, for her bad choices.

01:16:55.000 It was like people just continuously brought up my sin, you know, and I'm like, I understand that, but God has forgiven me.

01:17:02.000 You know, it's a very real issue.

01:17:12.000 It will never, ever go away.

01:17:14.000 Now, I really pray that in some time in the future that, you know, You know what I'm saying?

01:17:24.000 Of course.

01:17:25.000 And we're actually making strides towards that on a federal level.

01:17:27.000 Yes, I've seen a lot of that.

01:17:28.000 That's revenge porn, but you didn't do revenge porn, right?

01:17:31.000 And so there's no law against that.

01:17:32.000 Interestingly, there would be, you know what, a redemption porn law would be an interesting law.

01:17:37.000 It would be very hard to pass.

01:17:38.000 That's true.

01:17:38.000 It would be very hard to pass, which would be if somebody retires and they no longer give them rights that they can't.

01:17:45.000 Use that continent.

01:17:46.000 Yeah, but a lot of people are making money off of me right now.

01:17:49.000 No, that's what I'm saying though is that a potential law could be like after five years of retirement, a porn actress could be like, you're not allowed to spread my continent. 1.00

01:18:00.000 Facts.

01:18:00.000 That would be hard to pass.

01:18:02.000 Right.

01:18:03.000 But it would at least give people some hope that they could digitally escape.

01:18:07.000 Right, right.

01:18:08.000 Would that be a good idea potentially?

01:18:11.000 It would be a good idea.

01:18:12.000 It would be very hard, which is really sad.

01:18:14.000 But it's also sad that, you know, we did make the decision to put something on the internet, you know, knowingly, like, understanding.

01:18:24.000 It lives forever.

01:18:24.000 It will never go away.

01:18:26.000 So, yeah, it's a really hard truth.

01:18:29.000 It's a hard pill to swallow once you're out of the industry.

01:18:32.000 And so...

01:18:49.000 Oh, yeah.

01:18:49.000 The average age of, unfortunately, young boys and young girls losing their virginity is like 14, I think.

01:18:55.000 Yeah.

01:18:55.000 14, 15 now.

01:18:56.000 Yeah.

01:18:56.000 And parents should know that.

01:18:58.000 Parents, I feel like, love to be just— Oh, no.

01:19:02.000 The parents, you're being lied to by your kids, by the way.

01:19:03.000 Absolutely. 1.00

01:19:04.000 Your sons are watching porn. 0.99

01:19:05.000 Your girls are hooking up with other guys. 1.00

01:19:07.000 Their girls are showing everything in text messages. 1.00

01:19:11.000 And if you think you know, I don't want to try to make you paranoid.

01:19:14.000 You probably don't.

01:19:15.000 Would you agree?

01:19:16.000 Like, there's a lot of deceitful kids.

01:19:18.000 Oh, I did that when my parents had no idea.

01:19:20.000 Yeah, so talk about that.

01:19:22.000 Well, so I had a boyfriend at the time of like 16. That was my very first boyfriend ever.

01:19:26.000 And so I'd already lost my virginity at that point, but I was sexting him, you know, pictures of myself, stuff like that.

01:19:34.000 I didn't even have internet access, but I was, you know, texting and my parents had no idea.

01:19:40.000 I'd always delete it right after.

01:19:41.000 Kids are very sneaky and our technology has just gotten better.

01:19:44.000 We have more social media platforms like Snapchat where it instantly deletes after.

01:19:49.000 Why are parents giving these kids phones?

01:19:52.000 I have no idea.

01:19:53.000 I'm so against it.

01:19:55.000 I just, I don't understand it at all.

01:19:56.000 I had a phone at the age of 16. It was like a flip phone.

01:20:00.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:20:01.000 So what year were you born?

01:20:02.000 1997.

01:20:04.000 Okay.

01:20:04.000 So you're four years younger than I am.

01:20:06.000 Got it.

01:20:06.000 Okay.

01:20:07.000 So I grew up without smartphones and it was actually awesome.

01:20:10.000 It was great.

01:20:11.000 It's actually, you don't need to know where your kid is at all times.

01:20:13.000 It's actually really good for you and for the kid to not know where your kid is actually.

01:20:18.000 It's like really weird actually.

01:20:20.000 So weird seeing two-year-olds on tablets.

01:20:22.000 Again, I'm a parent of two kids.

01:20:23.000 I actually get the paranoia and then you have to resist it and grow up and be like, actually, I don't need to have a live stream of what my kid is doing all day long.

01:20:30.000 Oh, I will not put my kids on the internet.

01:20:34.000 I will never show pictures of their faces when I have children.

01:20:38.000 So this is one of the more simultaneously promising and disturbing things that happens to me.

01:20:45.000 So I'm walking through.

01:20:46.000 In Arizona, a mall or a restaurant.

01:20:49.000 And nine-year-olds are coming up asking for pictures with me.

01:20:52.000 Okay, awesome, right?

01:20:53.000 They're fans.

01:20:54.000 And I'm like, wait, how do you know who I am?

01:20:56.000 And they're like, oh, because I follow you on social media.

01:20:58.000 I'm like, how old are you?

01:21:00.000 I'm nine.

01:21:04.000 I'm like, this is like really bad.

01:21:06.000 Such a bad job.

01:21:07.000 Okay, great.

01:21:07.000 They're a fan of me.

01:21:08.000 Terrific.

01:21:09.000 Yay.

01:21:09.000 They'll follow me for a lifetime.

01:21:10.000 Woohoo.

01:21:10.000 Great.

01:21:11.000 Why do you have a phone?

01:21:12.000 Why?

01:21:13.000 And by the way.

01:21:14.000 Why do you have internet access?

01:21:15.000 No, just so we're clear.

01:21:15.000 If you're following me, I talk about very, very heavy stuff, right?

01:21:19.000 Yes.

01:21:19.000 I'm talking about abortion.

01:21:20.000 I'm talking about, you know.

01:21:22.000 Right.

01:21:22.000 Sometimes.

01:21:23.000 Yes.

01:21:23.000 I'm talking about like stuff that is like our NC-17 rated stuff.

01:21:27.000 I do it from a biblical perspective.

01:21:29.000 Absolutely.

01:21:29.000 So here's a nine-year-old.

01:21:30.000 Who, like, in an unregulated way, knows who I am, obviously has seen my content.

01:21:35.000 What else is that kid watching?

01:21:38.000 And, like, it's not isolated.

01:21:40.000 Hundreds of times these 9, 10, 11-year-olds are coming up to me.

01:21:44.000 Not a parent in sight.

01:21:46.000 No, the parents have done a terrible job.

01:21:48.000 Not all parents are like that, but so many now.

01:21:50.000 In this millennial, Gen Z, mom and dad, like, they're horrible. 0.99

01:21:55.000 All it is about is distracting your kid, distracting your kid.

01:21:58.000 I actually follow some amazing moms on TikTok that are tablet-free kids. 1.00

01:22:04.000 They literally describe their videos as tablet-free children.

01:22:07.000 And this is what they do for their kids.

01:22:09.000 They still don't put your kids on TikTok.

01:22:11.000 That's still weird.

01:22:14.000 We don't put our kids' faces on social.

01:22:16.000 But I think a lot of it is because of views.

01:22:18.000 They're making money off those videos. 0.77

01:22:19.000 And I'm like, dude, you're literally jeopardizing your child.

01:22:22.000 The same sort of negativity, I think, towards OnlyFans.

01:22:25.000 It's fine if you put your pictures in a picture on social media influencer, but if your account is about like your kids, I think that's super weird.

01:22:35.000 Yeah.

01:22:35.000 By the way, you know it's illegal to do that, actually.

01:22:37.000 Like, that kid could sue you.

01:22:39.000 When he gets older for all of that money.

01:22:41.000 Because you have to be like, what, 13?

01:22:42.000 Do you remember that actor's lawsuit that happened in Hollywood like 40 years ago?

01:22:46.000 Do you know what I'm talking about?

01:22:47.000 Where there was that child actor and then he sued his parents like 20 years later and he won.

01:22:52.000 And now parents are not allowed to make money off their kids and has to go into a trust.

01:22:57.000 Wow.

01:22:57.000 Do you know?

01:22:57.000 It's like a whole thing.

01:22:58.000 It changed Hollywood child acting forever.

01:23:00.000 Good.

01:23:00.000 So now these social media parents are making money off their kids.

01:23:03.000 Just saying, you're going to open up yourself to a slew of lawsuits if those kids... 0.95

01:23:08.000 Well, I mean, because they'll realize that millions of dollars were made.

01:23:12.000 Wow.

01:23:12.000 So I want to – what is then – This is great.

01:23:20.000 So, you want to become a parent.

01:23:23.000 Yeah.

01:23:24.000 The state of male-female relations is so broken down.

01:23:27.000 What do you want to do with your commentary, your life?

01:23:30.000 You're new at this.

01:23:31.000 Very new at this.

01:23:33.000 I don't have one answer.

01:23:34.000 I really don't.

01:23:34.000 I'd love to write a book one day encouraging.

01:23:37.000 You know, I want to be a light.

01:23:39.000 It would do very well.

01:23:39.000 Thanks.

01:23:40.000 I just want to be a light.

01:23:41.000 I want to...

01:23:44.000 I want to help others in the darkness.

01:23:47.000 You know, it doesn't have to just be women on OnlyFans or in the industry, but women now need a wake-up call to the way they're dressing and acting and speaking and the way they treat their husbands. 1.00

01:23:58.000 Like, I see some of the most cringeworthy TikToks about how women just hate their husbands because they do this or this.

01:24:06.000 And I'm like, dude, whatever happened to having, like, such, like, a one flesh, one mind, one body?

01:24:11.000 Like, relationship with your husband.

01:24:13.000 Like, why do you go on the internet to then, like, spew all this darkness about your partner?

01:24:19.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:24:20.000 Like, I just, our generation is so sad.

01:24:23.000 Like, we're all seeking after validation in, like, any way possible we can get it.

01:24:27.000 And it's all about views and likes and, you know, who's the best, who makes more money.

01:24:31.000 It's just so not about that.

01:24:33.000 Like I would love...

01:24:41.000 That is the dream, right?

01:24:41.000 It is a dream.

01:24:42.000 I don't know if God's calling me to that.

01:24:44.000 Like, a lot of my haters actually say, you need to disappear.

01:24:47.000 You need to get off the internet.

01:24:48.000 Stop speaking.

01:24:49.000 I'm like, I'm the only one speaking about this.

01:24:51.000 I actually think you shouldn't do that.

01:24:53.000 Yeah.

01:24:53.000 I think you have a very important message right now.

01:24:55.000 I agree.

01:24:55.000 And it's only because of Christ.

01:24:56.000 I would not be here today without that.

01:24:58.000 And I just have to kind of end with something we said previously.

01:25:02.000 Again, I've listened to you for an hour 20. I consider myself pretty well informed on this stuff.

01:25:06.000 What is the objection that people have with you again?

01:25:09.000 That I'm grifting.

01:25:11.000 Yeah.

01:25:11.000 That this is a grift.

01:25:12.000 Whatever that means.

01:25:13.000 But maybe I'm missing something fundamental.

01:25:15.000 I don't think I am.

01:25:16.000 But I think that Christians that are watching this, if you've participated in the common hating of Nala, you should really think about that, actually. 0.96

01:25:25.000 Because isn't that what the whole gospel is about?

01:25:28.000 Yeah.

01:25:29.000 taking people out of a certain lifestyle and bringing them towards truth.

01:25:33.000 I mean, in John chapter eight, they all wanted to sin. 0.99

01:25:36.000 They all wanted to stone the prostitute, which I wouldn't say you were a prostitute, but you were a, Yeah, okay. 1.00

01:25:43.000 Thank you. 1.00

01:25:44.000 You're a prostitute online. 1.00

01:25:46.000 You know, I wouldn't say you were a physical prostitute, but you were digitally. 1.00

01:25:50.000 Yes. 0.99

01:25:51.000 But like, so everyone kind of wants to stone you.

01:25:54.000 Jesus stops it, but there's two parts to this teaching.

01:25:57.000 He says, let the first without sin cast the first stone.

01:26:00.000 Okay, but there's a second part.

01:26:01.000 Now go sin no more, right?

01:26:04.000 Redemption.

01:26:05.000 Right.

01:26:05.000 Change.

01:26:06.000 And you're living that out.

01:26:09.000 In fact, you want to bring women out of where they are. 1.00

01:26:12.000 We didn't finish the purity question.

01:26:14.000 So women that are being pressured to have sex when they're uncomfortable, what is your message to them to save themselves from marriage? 0.79

01:26:24.000 Peer pressure is a real drive.

01:26:27.000 It's pressured me in.

01:26:29.000 To like porn situations, it's pressured me into showing more than I ever wanted to show doing things I never thought I would be doing.

01:26:36.000 Peer pressure is a really bad drive.

01:26:39.000 And I mean, especially with young women, you know, being pressured by boys in school or to feel accepted by their friends.

01:26:47.000 It's so hard to just reach that one person.

01:26:50.000 But that validation will never come from having sex out of marriage.

01:26:54.000 I wish I had a time machine.

01:26:56.000 I would go back.

01:26:58.000 And save myself.

01:26:59.000 This is the most important thing.

01:27:02.000 I want you to say that almost every woman that I know that had sex before marriage wished they would have waited.

01:27:08.000 Yes.

01:27:09.000 I hear it so much.

01:27:11.000 You know why?

01:27:12.000 My husband deserved that me.

01:27:14.000 And I wasn't.

01:27:16.000 But yeah, he still loves me for me.

01:27:17.000 And you might not have met him if you didn't do that.

01:27:19.000 Not to say that it was...

01:27:20.000 I agree.

01:27:22.000 I'm just saying.

01:27:24.000 But your message to young women out there, people say, I wish I would have, I wish I would have, I wish I would have.

01:27:30.000 It's a sad truth.

01:27:32.000 Yes.

01:27:32.000 It's really hard to look back and be like, man, if I could take it back.

01:27:37.000 So it's 2025.

01:27:39.000 Last point.

01:27:40.000 Three years ago, where were you living?

01:27:43.000 California.

01:27:44.000 Were you married?

01:27:44.000 No.

01:27:45.000 You were making a ton of money a month.

01:27:47.000 Yeah.

01:27:47.000 You were smoking a lot of weed.

01:27:48.000 A lot of weed.

01:27:49.000 You were doing a lot of content.

01:27:50.000 If three years ago, Nala would have watched this interview.

01:27:53.000 What would she have thought?

01:27:54.000 I probably would have thought I probably would have been so numbed out and my anxiety would have been through the roof.

01:28:06.000 Like, who is this person?

01:28:08.000 I'm married.

01:28:09.000 What?

01:28:10.000 The reason I'm asking is only God could have taken you on this path.

01:28:14.000 Yes.

01:28:16.000 No man took me out.

01:28:17.000 Jordan introduced Christ back through his actions.

01:28:21.000 And the Holy Spirit brought you up.

01:28:22.000 Yes.

01:28:23.000 But I would not be here without God.

01:28:25.000 Was there any moment when the Holy Spirit was whispering to you or convicting you?

01:28:29.000 Yes.

01:28:30.000 Yes.

01:28:30.000 I thought it was just guilt.

01:28:32.000 I was like, I'm not smoking enough.

01:28:34.000 I need to smoke.

01:28:35.000 Something's wrong, you know?

01:28:37.000 But absolutely, that's why I stopped making content.

01:28:40.000 I was just like, I just felt weird doing it.

01:28:44.000 And I'm like, dude, I've never felt weird doing my job.

01:28:47.000 You know?

01:28:47.000 Felt very odd.

01:28:49.000 So yeah, maybe I wasn't hearing, hearing, but I felt it in my heart.

01:28:53.000 Nala, thank you for your time.

01:28:55.000 Thank you.

01:28:56.000 Thank you for being so vulnerable and open.

01:28:58.000 Of course.

01:28:58.000 My hope is that for the men out there, you will stop watching porn.

01:29:02.000 Stop producing.

01:29:03.000 It's bad for you.

01:29:04.000 It's bad for civilization.

01:29:06.000 and it's bad for everybody and for women out there.

01:29:12.000 Stop.

01:29:12.000 It can go all the way from posting a suggestive picture on Instagram.

01:29:16.000 Yep.

01:29:16.000 Because you are actually part of a problem all the way to something on OnlyFans.

01:29:22.000 Right.

01:29:22.000 Would you agree with that?

01:29:22.000 Women love to complain about how there's no good men out there, but I'm like, you are literally posting half-naked photos.

01:29:26.000 So what are you good at?

01:29:28.000 But they think that's what gets them the men.

01:29:30.000 It's not getting you a husband. 1.00

01:29:31.000 It's getting you boys.

01:29:33.000 Exactly. 0.88

01:29:33.000 And men will not grow up if they can get sex easily. 0.88

01:29:36.000 Absolutely.

01:29:36.000 They'll stay as grown infants their entire life.

01:29:39.000 Nala, thank you so much.

01:29:39.000 You're welcome.

01:29:40.000 Thank you, Charlie.

01:29:41.000 Appreciate you.

01:29:42.000 Thank you.

01:29:42.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:29:43.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:29:46.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - June 19, 2025

The Transformation of Nala Ray

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