The Transformation of Nala Ray
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1 hour and 29 minutes
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184.83296
Summary
Nala Ray is a former Only Fan who left the porn industry and now serves as the President of Turning Point USA, a youth organization that fights for freedom on college campuses across the country. In this episode, Nala shares her story of how she left the pornography industry and found God.
Transcript
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Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.
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This is a little bit of an R-rated conversation.
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She's a former OnlyFans, let's just say individual, and she left that lifestyle and has now given her life to Jesus.
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I think you're going to really enjoy this conversation.
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Again, it's a little bit more explicit, but if you have anyone that you know that is doing OnlyFans, this is a very important topic for you.
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Yeah, what an exciting event too, especially for you being at your last, right?
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So in your own words, why don't you tell me your story?
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So that's a pretty great accomplishment in that realm, that world.
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So being like a top earner, being very famous, very public about what I did, going on podcasting, the most ridiculous, crazy things for views.
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So that's what I did for the last five years, and that's what I'm known for.
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You know, I grew up as a pastor's kid to a Baptist pastor.
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Yeah, not a lot of people know that, but, like, I think that's where my journey really started, in a cage of religion.
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You know, I didn't have a relationship with Christ.
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I just knew church, going to church, being on the worship team, and doing what my parents told me to do.
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So I have a ton of questions, but we have a lot of older Americans that listen to this, and they have no idea what OnlyFans is.
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When you think of model, you're thinking of walking on runways, being prestigious, like you're very beautiful.
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You know, that is your lifestyle and getting paid to do that, but not being paid to show nothing.
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So, OnlyFans in a nutshell is literally just you selling whatever you want behind a paywall.
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OnlyFans loves to portray it as just being a model, but it's so much deeper than that.
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I don't know one person on that platform that doesn't show nothing.
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Like, doesn't, you know, show just, like, clothing.
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So, for those that don't know in the audience, OnlyFans is a subscription service.
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Individuals like yourself to either send them individually or to view your naked pictures.
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You know, when I started back in 2020, 2019, it wasn't that popular.
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Like, I was so unaware of what that platform was.
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It had been up apparently since like five years before that, but it was just weird.
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And that's exactly what they intended it for it to be.
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But it turned into something very different very fast.
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And I was one of the leaders in that movement of putting porn on that site.
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So how many people were giving you money a month?
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My max subscribers were like 270,000 subscribers.
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That's like two Arrowhead stadiums, if you know Arrowhead stadiums.
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When you think about it like that in real person.
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Or like two big houses, like the Michigan Big House, two of those.
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So just as a side note, OnlyFans has millions of young men that then pay young ladies and sometimes other men.
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That's what the girls and OnlyFans market it as.
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So almost 90% of the women on OnlyFans are managed by OnlyFans managers.
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I've never met or seen one that's not run by a man.
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They cannot force them to, but they'll insinuate you will never make enough money if you don't do this scene.
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They always provide either drugs and alcohol at the content houses, very readily available.
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They'll bring in big porn stars to work with those girls too.
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That has happened to me many times where someone who doesn't even work on OnlyFans is brought in.
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How many, so there's a fair amount of college women that get drawn into this.
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Yeah, and what is shocking for some older Americans to hear is how normalized this has become.
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That's what I'm seeing too, is that, well, sex is so readily available even on your Instagram feed.
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You're just seeing girls half naked in bikinis, showing and supporting their OnlyFans, you know, so broadly.
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I don't even know how our family got into that.
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A lot of it started with my family losing everything we had in a tornado.
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We lost our home, our clothes, our toys, our food.
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And so your family, like I'm the middle of five children with two parents at the time.
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So then after that tragedy happened to my family, And then I lost my dad for like two years.
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And then he came back in the picture two years later, remarried my mom, became a pastor out of nowhere.
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So we went through multiple church splits after that.
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My dad stopped being a pastor, was dragging his family all around like Florida, Illinois, everywhere, just to like live his dream of being in the spotlight.
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A lot of it started with their second divorce because he cheated on her again.
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He was stealing money from me while I was on OnlyFans.
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He had a lot of drug addiction and nobody really knew about it.
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And then he broke into my mom's house with like a gun and a knife and like assault and battery happened.
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So, walk me through the first moment you heard about OnlyFans.
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You know, my name is Fitness Nala on Instagram.
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But he reached out to me and started talking to me about OnlyFans.
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So, like, we're all, like, getting sent home from work.
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Working in 9 to 5, like I was working in orthopedics at the time, like scheduling surgeries and stuff.
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So they moved me home because of COVID and he reached out to me and was like, hey, you do so good on OnlyFans.
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All you have to do is use my referral code and sign up.
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So anything I would make, he would make 5% of it.
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And OnlyFans had that rule for a while about referrals and stuff like that.
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If they could get people on OnlyFans, they'd make money off of you, etc.
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So then And like my first month working very hard, I made like $87,000.
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I quit my job immediately and went full into OnlyFans.
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So you're one of the first pioneers of this app.
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So you are, at this moment, do you have a good relationship with your father?
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I was closer to him than I was any other person in my family.
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But that relationship seemed like it was taking a turn.
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I had a good relationship with him sort of after he came back to our family.
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I felt like he was the only person that I really related to in my family.
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We're kind of like the entrepreneurs in the family, stuff like that.
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Like our relationship kind of stayed the same where my mom and my completely disintegrated.
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She stopped talking to me for four years after that.
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I never spoke to one of my siblings after that for the next four years either.
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And I'm sure at some moment there was a fork in the road.
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Where you had to make a conscious decision to post more than bikini pictures.
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Because a lot of the girls watching this right now, they all put bikini pictures themselves on Instagram.
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I don't think it's good, but that's not unusual.
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Bring us into the room of the moment that you decided to hit publish on a naked picture of yourself.
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So it was when I felt like nothing else to lose.
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My parents had found out I was on OnlyFans like a month and a half after I'd started.
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But you can't hide from the internet when you're on it.
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This was right before I was going to move to California.
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That was when my mom decided to completely cut ties with me.
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And I was like, well, my dad supports me being on it.
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And if he was younger, he would probably do the same thing.
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So, yeah, I felt like I had absolutely nothing else to lose.
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And so I was like, okay, I'm moving to California.
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And first of all, thank you for being so open about this because I think our audience needs to know because this is replicated now, unfortunately, thousands of times.
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Were you seeking money or was there something else?
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I struggle so hard in my family dynamic with feeling loved.
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She was like a disciplinarian, kind of cold, like therapist kind of mom.
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It wasn't like, come hug me, come give me love.
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It was just kind of like, let me teach you something new so you'll be good at something kind of mother.
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But when your child really craves love and they don't get it, they look elsewhere for it.
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You know, just validating that sin over and over again.
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I never thought I was going to make that kind of money, but that attention felt really good, even though it was bad attention.
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How much money were you making a month at the peak?
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Yeah, so that's about almost $5 million a year.
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So talk our audience through the different levels of experiences, for lack of a better term, that the audience could purchase.
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Well, not graphic, but how personal, Extremely personal.
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Meaning the man would pay exorbitant amount of money to get not just – If they wanted a customized video.
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It was control completely, and they could ask for anything.
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It didn't mean I have to accept everything, and I didn't.
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A few whales did pay for stuff like really like $20,000 was like one of my biggest requests for a very weird video.
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And like even down to like pictures that were like really odd, like wanting to see like the pores in my skin, like really weird stuff.
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Yeah, it was weird, but I, like, you know, really tricked myself into believing, like, oh, well, I'm at home.
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Yeah, I'm, like, literally catering to really perverted men, but they can't touch me.
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So it made it better for me, you know, and mentally it did.
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So almost, there's a one-to-one correlation between the porn industry and heavy drug use.
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Oh, you cannot do porn without drugs or alcohol.
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You have to numb yourself because what you're doing is immoral.
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Absolutely no ethics are involved in what you're doing.
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People love to watch porn and be like, oh yes, that's so satisfying.
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It's so dark and evil and the scars it leaves after every scene is so damaging.
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Me, smoking was just like try to forget, try to forget.
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Like, I had a really hard time making friends because everybody in it is so messed up in the head.
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Like, on the outside, they'll be all sweet and inviting, but they're only there to justify your sin.
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You're only friends because you do the same thing.
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Like when I was on OnlyFans, normal people who don't do OnlyFans are just kind of fascinated by you or they're repelled by you.
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I wouldn't come like within 10 feet of that person.
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Or they're so like, oh my gosh, that's a porn star.
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how long, how many years were you regularly producing content?
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Yeah, I was getting really into my niche in year three.
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Cosplaying is just dressing up like another character.
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Like whether you think about superheroes, villains, anime.
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So my whole thing on OnlyFans was you can get any kind of girl with me.
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Because I'm blonde, I'm brunette, I have redhead one day, I have pink hair another day.
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And I knew that if I offered that variety, I'd make more money, and I did.
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So instead of going to another girl who's like, let's say I was redheaded, they wanted a blonde, they don't have to get off of me.
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They found out about me, saw my numbers, and they were like, wow, we need to pick her up.
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And it was a really perverted, two perverted men in that agency who would literally call me with like their junk hanging out to try to like masturbate to me while I was just on a call with them.
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Content house is a place rented out to invite other creators similar to you to create content in different rooms.
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All you do is drink, drugs, and create content like a revolving door.
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There were never males at these events other than the heads of the agencies.
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So you're at a place where you're creating content almost every single day.
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Walk me through the moment where you're at the top of your game, right?
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In September 2023, I was scrolling on TikTok, and I saw my husband now, Jordan.
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And he had this like bulletproof vest on, a helmet.
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I'm like, why is this guy on TikTok looking like G.I. Joe, right?
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And I just engaged with him a little bit on live.
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Gifting means just like helping him win TikTok live battles.
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He called me out of the blue one day, like FaceTime me.
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Like, didn't even bother to look at my social medias.
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He FaceTimes me and we spent the next eight hours on the phone.
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He just spoke about God like I've never heard someone speak about Christ ever in my life.
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Even being through like pastor's kid, religion, church after church after church.
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And like, you know, that people say now, like that Jesus glow.
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He had that, like something so special within him.
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I was so attracted to like why he felt this way.
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It became, our conversation became longer and longer.
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I was just, you know, my agency was like recycling content from my past now.
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After I started talking to Jordan, I just felt something inside me.
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I felt wrong creating content while I was speaking to someone, but he wasn't my boyfriend or anything.
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And the more he spoke to me about Christ and texted me Bible verses once or twice a day, would send me just full-on videos of Christian speaking.
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So I told him, I was like, hey, you know I'm on OnlyFans, right?
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You know, he was not on that side of the internet.
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So then, yeah, I told him everything about what I was doing, how I made my money, everything, and it didn't repel him at all.
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So at that time, like, I was really starting to feel like what I thought was guilt at the time, but it's conviction.
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I'm starting feeling conviction over what I had done, what I was doing, and that's what made me stop, like, Producing content at the time.
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You stopped doing content, but there was an agency that was making a lot of money off of you.
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You know, I didn't tell them what was going on.
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You know, some creators do take breaks and they need those breaks.
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I witnessed that a few times with women having like mental and emotional breakdowns that will just leave the internet, you know, and then come back and act like everything's okay.
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And women who had to go to therapy for drug abuse and addiction, it really does happen all the time.
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I had been a workhorse for like, So it wasn't surprising that I needed a little bit of a break, but I never mentioned anything.
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And my team did their job, continued to sell what I had made.
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So they weren't worried about anything until...
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And so I told him outright, I was like, I don't need you anymore.
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Like to my manager, I was like, I'm quitting OnlyFans.
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Very typical of what I thought he would say was just like, you know, you can't make it in the real world.
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And I really got to see a very dark side to him after that.
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You know, it was a really scary thing for me to, like, let that life go.
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It was terrifying to me because I'm like, now where am I going to make my money from?
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So, and then even the day I, again, like I told my dad, like, I wanted to get off OnlyFans.
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He was like, oh, no, you should stay on for another year, year and a half.
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We got married in March 2024 on Easter weekend.
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And like, you could still do OnlyFans and Jesus will just say, I love you.
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You know, we love to identify Jesus as accepting us for who we are.
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I've even heard, you know, artists like Sophie Rain, one of the biggest OnlyFans models, even be like, oh, Jesus loves me.
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He does not condone what you're doing and saying, oh, you're happy.
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That is not the God we serve, thankfully for that, because it would never induce you.
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Were there points throughout your journey where, walk me through some of the lows.
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So I felt like my life really didn't have much purpose other than showing my body.
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I wasn't depressed because I didn't feel anything from smoking.
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Oh, I couldn't feel anything other than anger sometimes.
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That was the only feeling I had was pain in the gym.
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Of the women that are now OnlyFans creators still, what do they have in common?
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In any sense of the form of brokenness, it exists in their life.
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They don't have to have family issues to be broken, but maybe something happened along their life.
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Like if a parent is not being a parent, like the Bible says specifically to raise up the child in the way that they should go.
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That's a very like, It's a really hard decision we make, especially in the generation we live in now, just soiled in social media, soiled in this idea of Jesus in a box.
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When you talk to most young men and ask them, what was the age where you first experienced porn?
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That was my introduction into sex was a very perverted sense of the word.
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You know, God is your leader first and foremost.
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So when you're being directed by groomers in OnlyFans agencies, of course you're going to do the worst of the worst.
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I compromised so many times when I never thought I would.
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Admittedly, I can usually anticipate how things are going to play out on the internet.
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But when we announced you at our Young Women's Leadership Summit, the self-righteous backlash was very confounding to me.
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And usually I'm like, I can kind of get it, but they're like, Charlie, why would you have Nala Ray speak?
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I said, well, from what I understand, she's repented, convicted towards a new life.
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She's married and has a lot to share about this industry.
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I hate to even ask you this, but what do you say to people that say you're a fake, you're a fraud, you're disingenuous?
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I think in general, change is a very hard concept for people to grasp because that normally means you're stuck.
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And if you've lived a certain way, For me, it was very difficult to give up promiscuity, to give up weed, to give up cussing, to give up, you know, seeking after attention of the world.
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It was like, I'm still dealing with stuff like that in counseling.
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I am not like completely healed now and here to just share my message.
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But I realized those choices and I'm very open about it because I want to help other people.
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You know, either where it's coming from, the left or the right side, I see a disingenuine act of, you know, concern.
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I feel like they're acting out of concern, but it's really not concern.
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It's just putting down because they're stuck in their own life and they don't know how to change.
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Or maybe they do know how to change, but they don't want to change.
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Yeah, and I think at least some of the criticism is, I don't know, it's like, oh, I don't want to say legalistic because I hate that word.
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But, I mean, at least from what I understand, and I think I know the Bible pretty well.
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I think repentance is like a pretty important component of Christianity.
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And not just like saying the words, but actually demonstrating that you're leaving a sinful lifestyle.
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It would be very different if I was sitting here today and being like, I don't even think I'd be here today.
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If I said, oh, you know, I accepted Christ in my heart.
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So I think what's crazy about the people that love to hate on me, I like to call my biggest fans, is that mainly that, you know, they push for change.
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They say, like, why don't we change in this generation?
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But then when it actually happens, like a case like mine actually happens, they cannot believe it.
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I think it truly is a hard concept to grasp for them.
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Unless you have some sort of, like, burner-only fans again.
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But like you're also, aren't you like in tax debt or something?
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Which happens to all these OnlyFans people, right?
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My CPA in 2021 failed to file my taxes because he got sent to jail for some reason.
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Your dad's going to jail or your CPA's going to jail.
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So if it was all about the money, then you would have just...
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Because literally, I could clear my tax debt up now, which is $300,000 in a month of OnlyFans.
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Yeah, and so, again, I just, the, I tried to seriously Okay.
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And I was, like, trying to understand what is so controversial about this.
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And I guess they're like, well, Charlie, why are you having a porn star come to your conference?
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I was like, well, former is a pretty important word in life.
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So the young ladies in this audience, almost assuredly, all of them, I don't know if any of them are Unonly fans, but...
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Well, or at least they have friends on OnlyFans, right?
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If you have a son right now, chances are somebody's son in this audience is consuming OnlyFans.
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One of my favorite clips ever in the history of our campus content.
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You show up and you ask the question at the event at UC Riverside.
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Until I'm like, I score in them and then they shut up.
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So, like, these men coming to our campus events are, like, spending money and consuming on this.
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Like I said in the interview with you, they're supplying the demand.
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And I've seen a lot of, like, some right-winged people even say, like, oh, girls just need to close their legs.
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There wouldn't be a demand if men were not asking for it.
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It's not men or just women or men or just women.
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Male nature, when it comes to sexual matters, is very primal, unfortunately.
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But let me ask you, though, more applicably, when you were selling content, were the men respectful to you?
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Some were, but it was more just simpy behavior.
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I'm a millennial too, so that doesn't make any sense to me.
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But for me, that simp behavior is mainly just like, I'll do anything for you.
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They're talking to probably like 30-year-old Indian males on the other side of the computer screen sharing very intimate details about themselves.
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How many were American on your – I never met my team.
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Wasn't there a chat or some way that they could send you messages?
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There are hundreds of thousands of young women right now that are still in captivity in OnlyFans.
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To these young women, where at times, again, I don't spend any time on social media, but at times, my team is sending me pictures of screenshots of young ladies that wanted to get involved with Turning Point chapters, and they have OnlyFans accounts in their bio.
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And it's like there's no shame anymore around it.
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What is your message to the women that are currently captive to the OnlyFans?
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Well, I think mainly they're looking for value.
00:37:59.000
So if we can break that down a little bit, if like it's not even about the money necessarily, money is like an...
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Some people look for it in alcohol or family or friends or whatever it is.
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But these women are actively looking and seeking after love.
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but their value is not made up in likes or views or filters.
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You are absolutely right about that, but He does not justify your sin.
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You chose that life, and you can get out of it.
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It is not a simple path, but you absolutely can get out of that and live the life that God created for you.
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You know, if God says you are fearfully and wonderfully made, you are.
00:38:50.000
You know, when you look at how God described in Genesis.
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When he created the earth, about it being good.
00:38:56.000
You know, he says, like, the sun, the moon, the stars, the galaxies, the sea.
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Animals, that was good, but yet he describes us as fearfully and wonderfully made.
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He thinks you're wonderful, you know, and that's such a special thing to do and be in the sight of God.
00:39:09.000
So I feel like you're looking for an identity so hard in the world and the world is giving you so much, only so much.
00:39:18.000
My husband explained it the best that the devil has a budget.
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He can only give you so much, but God can give you everything that you've ever actually needed.
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We're in such a generation of pleasure and me and selfishness and pride and ego.
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You know, this world, living our life is not about us.
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Just like Jesus came not to be served, but to be a servant.
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And the sooner we find that out, the better our lives will be.
00:39:52.000
Do you think the church, the American church, has served?
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Well, any, let's say, the evangelical church, the non-denominate, because, I mean, the church should be the one that is speaking love into these people's lives.
00:40:15.000
How many pastors are even speaking about the crisis of pornography?
00:40:20.000
I know, like, one, Jonathan Pakluda, does openly speak about that.
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But what they seem to be doing is mainly just talking towards the men, which, yes, they need to be spoken to and taught.
00:40:37.000
And that church should be the safe haven because as the body of Christ, we are the arms, the hands, the fingers.
00:40:44.000
And if we are not doing that, we are stuck in place.
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It's like the body of Christ now has arthritis or something.
00:40:54.000
In the five years I was on OnlyFans, Jordan was the only person to tell me.
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Tell me about Christ and like how much he loved me.
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I had not one Christian, not one person that went to church.
00:41:07.000
I mean, so we have multi-billions of dollars spent on Christian ministry every year.
00:41:12.000
To go build a water well in Senegal, which is fine.
00:41:16.000
But like you're trying to tell me not a single pastor or like young woman Christian.
00:41:22.000
No one ever reached out to you to minister to you?
00:41:30.000
Yes, it's very strange because of all the proclaimed like Christians, you know what I'm saying?
00:41:38.000
I think Christians have gotten very comfortable.
00:41:43.000
They've gotten very comfortable going to church on Sunday, you know, supporting in this young adults group.
00:41:49.000
Like they're comfortable in their scenario because nothing inside their circle is uncomfortable.
00:41:55.000
But like, you know, again, like with the Pharisees, they didn't want to touch people.
00:41:58.000
They didn't want to touch the unclean, the lepers, the blind, the sick.
00:42:19.000
I just find it, I mean, you're an interesting test case, right?
00:42:22.000
Where you were hyper-social, so you're very easy to reach.
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I mean, like a youth pastor very well could have been like...
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Some pastor, I don't know, or some person who does this for a living could have been like, hey, we should chat.
00:42:49.000
We literally have ministries where people go to people on death row.
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I would love to go do my own missionary work across the country, something like that.
00:43:07.000
But again, people in our own backyards are absolutely suffering, hurting, you know, and like, man, Jesus came for that broken person, left the 99 to find the one I was that one.
00:43:21.000
And so talk more about like, I mean, for this, I know that we've been through this a little bit, but I think it's important.
00:43:36.000
You know, when I stopped smoking weed, I hadn't become a Christian yet.
00:43:44.000
I got, like, this weird flu or something, and it, like, repelled me from smoking weed.
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I was, it was early, early, uh, no, wait, sorry, late December.
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I've been so dependent on this for such a long time.
00:44:05.000
But I realize that now that God needed me to be sober-minded in order to accept Him into my heart.
00:44:13.000
And there's nothing wrong with people being strung out and then accepting Christ.
00:44:20.000
I understood the decision and the leap of faith that I was about to take in my life, and I took it.
00:44:25.000
But God did very strategic things in my life, starting with Jordan and what he was saying to me from the beginning that caused conviction in my heart about stopping content.
00:44:38.000
Obviously, like the cussing, I threw out half my closet of clothes because I was like, I can't even give this clothes away because I'd hate for another woman to be out wearing this.
00:44:48.000
So just making those steps and just continuing in faith, like faith is the hardest thing for a new believer to do and have, is just have faith in Christ.
00:44:59.000
Like I had no idea where my next paycheck was going to come from.
00:45:01.000
And God just provided everything I needed in that moment.
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Not millions of dollars, not hundreds of thousands.
00:45:11.000
So in the scriptures, it warns against pharmakia, which is the use of psychological or psychoactive agents.
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Where Paul talks about negatively this idea of taking drugs and how it could inhibit your pursuit of the Lord.
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When you were doing weed, were you fully human?
00:45:42.000
I feel like this is an episode off The Office or something.
00:45:48.000
So when you were smoking weed, I've never done weed.
00:45:55.000
I did a podcast with Bill Maher and he had a blunt in front of me the entire time.
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I was very chill throughout the entire podcast, interestingly.
00:46:20.000
So when you were smoking weed, do you feel as if you were fully human?
00:46:26.000
It made me feel like I could work out harder and I felt nothing.
00:46:32.000
Because, like, you know, people, things could happen in my life and I would not care at all.
00:46:38.000
I had no care at all about people, about, like, the decisions I was making.
00:46:43.000
My own feelings were so just drained out of me.
00:46:47.000
You know, I just, I did not care about anything.
00:46:56.000
So I have two opinions where the comment section disagrees with me.
00:47:00.000
And that is my support of Israel, which we're not going to talk about, but it's also weed.
00:47:04.000
I'm very much against weed, marijuana, culture.
00:47:11.000
Well, you know what the biggest excuse I hear is, well, then why did God make weed?
00:47:21.000
I don't think it is, but you know what I'm saying?
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You know, I'm just saying, God made it initially a beautiful thing, and we corrupted it.
00:47:32.000
Like, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
00:47:33.000
I'm like, what does that have to do with anything?
00:47:36.000
There's lots of things out there that give you a reaction.
00:47:38.000
Some are very poisonous, you know what I'm saying?
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But we've abused things time and time and time again.
00:47:50.000
And I hope not to offend the audience here, but look at modern America now.
00:47:55.000
We're so strung out on anything we can get our hands on.
00:48:03.000
And then they complain about, oh, I just want to be normal.
00:48:10.000
And so I speak out against the use of weed a lot.
00:48:16.000
I'm glad you do because your voice is obviously, I mean, I have one secondhand experience.
00:48:34.000
There's different strands of the marijuanas, you know, so the weeds.
00:48:38.000
There is, like, there's one that's called an indica, which is, like, a very heavy, like, they call it, like, the nighttime weed, you know, because it relaxes you.
00:48:49.000
There's sativa, which is your daytime weed, which is like, it's kind of an upper, you know what I'm saying?
00:48:53.000
You don't get too high off of it unless you're smoking mass amounts of it.
00:49:00.000
But I used to be so religious on smoking sativa in the morning, hybrids during the afternoon, and then a nice indica at night, you know, because your body's like functioning off of that.
00:49:11.000
So like it's like an upper and a downer made me feel like crazy, like a crackhead actually.
00:49:17.000
So it's just anything to do the content and get it over with.
00:49:22.000
And so the consumption or the use of marijuana is so normalized.
00:49:35.000
So I mean, like, so there's, that's just, one is offsetting the other.
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Or I notice a lot with our, this new generation is everyone's saying they have anxiety, they have depression, and they're taking pills for it, which I don't think you can drink on those kinds of pills.
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No, you should not drink on benzodiazepines or Zoloft.
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It's been very hard, very difficult making these transitions because the biggest thing that God cares about is your heart.
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I went through a lot of trauma throughout my childhood, teenage years, early 20s, and now I'm here.
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You know, I don't have a good father in my life.
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I'm not great in communication with my siblings.
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Happiness is fading, but joy is forever through Christ.
00:50:39.000
While you were on OnlyFans, did you have any external relationships with men?
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Not even people who produced- No, I mean romantic.
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So yeah, they were producing, they were like gay baiting it's called.
00:51:19.000
Gay baiting is basically when you act gay in front of a camera to...
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There's more money than they would make as a just straight creator.
00:51:33.000
Men do not make money if they're just with a girl on OnlyFans.
00:51:40.000
And if guys want to see that girl, she has an OnlyFans.
00:51:46.000
So a lot of guys slipped into being homosexual but not actually being homosexual.
00:51:52.000
So I saw that so much and it was actually very disgusting and disturbing.
00:51:57.000
What percentage of OnlyFan creators are men that are gay dating, would you say?
00:52:05.000
But most of these guys are actually like escorts, I noticed.
00:52:19.000
Or they're actually from the porn world where they were actually just having male-female scenes.
00:52:24.000
They're not making the kind of money they do on OnlyFans.
00:52:29.000
So, a more, like, let's just say legal or governmental or political question.
00:52:37.000
Do you think we should make it harder to consume porn in this country?
00:52:57.000
I mean, I think it needs to start with even simpler things without just a straight ban.
00:53:04.000
But starting with like STD checking on OnlyFans.
00:53:19.000
So starting with small things would go a very long way to stop.
00:53:22.000
I mean, that wouldn't stop things, but it would create a safer environment.
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Not that we're supporting that, but you know what I'm saying?
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Like little steps to need to be taken before that's just actual ban.
00:53:33.000
Because people, what I've noticed is that like when TikTok was going down, other sites just popped up all around.
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They think it's their, like, God-given right to be able to masturbate.
00:53:52.000
And it's like, you don't even realize, you call it a freedom, but it's really just enchaining you in prison.
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You are chained to this desire, this pleasure, this instant gratification, so that when real world hits, You can't even make a decision for yourself.
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So I didn't quite realize this, but maybe I'm misunderstanding.
00:55:19.000
When you were producing content, were there also men involved or was it just yourself?
00:55:31.000
The stereotype of OnlyFans that it's just a woman, you know, doing...
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Some women, you know, but the majority of women are having sex with their significant other.
00:55:42.000
A lot of women actually on OnlyFans are married.
00:55:44.000
And they'll do, they have a very non-monogamous relationship.
00:55:52.000
They go to content houses, share their husbands with other women.
00:55:58.000
Are you seeking to try to communicate to the former friends that are OnlyFans to encourage them?
00:56:09.000
I have yet to see one full conversion yet, though.
00:56:14.000
It's hard when you don't have a good community.
00:56:19.000
I had his mom, who was like an angel, who helped me get out and stay out.
00:56:30.000
So she, like, was fasting and praying over my conversion.
00:56:39.000
She was there for me when I called her, and she was so kind and loving towards me.
00:56:43.000
Like, such a, I felt like such a broken person coming out of the industry.
00:56:47.000
And I'm like, who would love me after what I've done?
00:56:50.000
Like, do you know how many women on the outside of OnlyFans like women like me?
00:56:56.000
Because most of the time, their men are watching me or my friends online.
00:57:08.000
But when women don't have a support system like that, it's so hard to get out.
00:57:13.000
It is so hard to get out because now you're going into complete nothingness, complete unawareness.
00:57:20.000
You don't have good friends helping, guiding you, helping you with accountability.
00:57:26.000
And yes, I could help you with that, but I'm still online.
00:57:29.000
I can give you my phone number, but other than that, I'm not in your state or we're not regularly meeting up.
00:57:36.000
So I've tried so hard in talking to women, not just texting, but actually having FaceTime.
00:57:46.000
I know you're afraid of financial struggle, but this is what God says about that.
00:57:59.000
And the devil wants to keep you tied down in that.
00:58:03.000
I've sent girls books to read just as like little helpers.
00:58:14.000
And if they see you married happily and God willing with kids in the future, there's a very, very high suicide rate of people in the porn industry.
00:58:31.000
She was a huge raging drug addict, and she just stabbed her boyfriend, almost husband, in the heart.
00:58:42.000
And the scriptures are very clear, but you cannot indulge this much in the flesh and not have other sins come to the surface.
00:58:48.000
It is the primary gateway that the enemy comes after you, is sins of the flesh.
00:59:01.000
So I would go to my husband and be like, I'm going through my Instagram at the time, like deleting things.
00:59:10.000
Because I trust myself, but I don't trust myself that much to be, you know, like completely right about.
00:59:19.000
If it's too revealing, if it's too promiscuous, if it's borderline, I don't want it on there.
00:59:23.000
So she and him really helped me with like, okay, this might not be that appropriate.
00:59:29.000
You know, you're wearing clothes, but the face you're making is kind of like sexually insinuative.
00:59:41.000
My mom was just very controlling in like what I wore.
00:59:48.000
Like, she directed my life as to, like, what I wore, how much makeup I wore, stuff like that.
00:59:57.000
I was like, why are you controlling my entire life?
01:00:07.000
It's not that she's not open to it, but it's just our life has been separate for the last, like, four or five years.
01:00:12.000
Well, you have to honor your parents, so keep trying.
01:00:19.000
God would not have to command you if it was easy.
01:00:36.000
Again, so this is very important is that it does not say you have to be your parents' best friend.
01:00:40.000
To honor literally means just to treat heavily with a lot of respect.
01:00:51.000
So it's like, for me, it's kind of hard to understand how to honor him.
01:00:54.000
You are in the sub 1%, and I get this from Dennis Prager.
01:01:00.000
Most people do not have dads that are facing life sentences in jail, right?
01:01:07.000
The majority actually have a case that you have with your mom, where it's like, we don't quite get along.
01:01:13.000
That is not a good reason to sever ties for the rest of your life.
01:01:25.000
Sometimes I'll just tell God, like, God, I honestly can't pray for him, but I know he's in your hands.
01:01:32.000
And honoring your parents does not mean That is not the teaching.
01:01:44.000
But instead, what we have, and we see it, obviously, so many kids disconnect with their parents because they're like, oh, I don't know.
01:01:54.000
And remember, it's the only commandment that comes with a promise and involves your country.
01:01:58.000
Honor your mother and father so that you may live long in the land of which you are in.
01:02:01.000
So the modesty in coaching is very interesting.
01:02:05.000
It's important for women transitioning out of anything or men.
01:02:09.000
It's like when you go to a drug rehab, what do they do?
01:02:14.000
You're taking other medications to get off the thing that you were addicted to.
01:02:18.000
I was addicted to dressing promiscuously because of the attention I got.
01:02:23.000
So when you walked into a bar and you dressed promiscuously, would you kind of get extra energy?
01:02:32.000
Feeling of self-worth when you saw men look at you a certain way?
01:02:40.000
Yeah, I feel like women like to know that their options are open.
01:02:44.000
You know, like you got multiple men kind of looking at you up and down like, oh, I got options.
01:02:58.000
Definitely men deal with insecurity and I can't speak for them, but I know for a fact as a woman who dressed like that, who acted like that, it is deeply rooted in insecurity and not being accepted by either a dad or a mom figure or friends or being bullied or molested or raped.
01:03:15.000
So let me ask, do you think it's proper for any Christian woman to put a picture of themselves in a bikini on their Instagram?
01:03:23.000
I mean, if you're a Christian, number one, whether you're married or not, your body's for your husband.
01:03:29.000
So right there, you should have enough respect not to show that much skin.
01:03:36.000
When I was on a trip with my husband's parents, she breathed.
01:03:48.000
And she just very gently and lovingly was like, maybe don't wear those bottoms.
01:03:56.000
Like, for in my mind, like, some things are still okay.
01:03:59.000
But I need that gentle, loving nudge to be like, listen, this isn't okay anymore.
01:04:04.000
You don't live in the kingdom of darkness anymore.
01:04:14.000
I just, and so I, again, I'm not here to like, I'm not here to, like, judge.
01:04:19.000
By the way, this actually is about other women, not you.
01:04:22.000
But, like, I truly – again, I'm not on social media anymore, but, like, people talk and I get pictures.
01:04:27.000
Why is it that so many people that have Bible verses in their bio and Instagram – Have OnlyFans?
01:04:37.000
It's totally like, yeah, go look and make a picture of me.
01:04:49.000
No, I mean, that is dark and obviously worthy of, like, super deep psychological examination.
01:04:55.000
I mean, like, the actual millions of young ladies who, like, you'll have, like, Jeremiah 29.7, you know, God knows the steps I have for you.
01:05:03.000
And you look at the pictures in their Instagram.
01:05:05.000
And like, if I was Catholic, I'd go to confession.
01:05:08.000
Like, I mean, it's, you know, it's, this is, this is not, this But yeah, so help me understand.
01:05:16.000
Okay, so after Jesus ascended back to heaven after his time here on earth, Holy Spirit came.
01:05:21.000
Holy Spirit is our teacher, our guide, our supporter, but also someone who convicts us.
01:05:27.000
If we are not being convicted as women about the things that we're saying, the things, how we're addressing, what our conversations look like, are we gossiping, are we drinking too much, you know?
01:05:37.000
If we are not being convicted, you are not walking close with Christ.
01:05:40.000
You can proclaim Him all day, but even in the Bible it says there are many that will say, Lord, Lord, but I never knew you.
01:05:48.000
If you are not feeling conviction from the Holy Spirit, not guilt, conviction.
01:05:54.000
So again, at the end of this day, like you're either feeling very insecure, you wanting attention, like you think it's just okay because you see other Christian women doing it, which is a really bad example.
01:06:04.000
So again, I am trying to be that light, that very different light in the world.
01:06:09.000
You know, that light that shines brighter than the other smaller lights.
01:06:13.000
Not because of me, but because of what Christ did in my life.
01:06:16.000
And if I don't change the very makeup of myself.
01:06:22.000
I'm not actually going to be able to influence others towards Christ or be an example at least.
01:06:28.000
Yeah, no, that, and I just, again, I'm not here to like scorn people.
01:06:36.000
And then even in the Bible, it talks about being a stumbling block.
01:06:39.000
You are helping others stumble, either men lusting after you or women being like, oh, she's a Christian.
01:06:48.000
If a man sees that, not only is the respect go down, he only will view you for your flesh.
01:06:55.000
And women want to know, why can't I find a husband?
01:07:00.000
You're literally a Jezebel trying to be a Ruth.
01:07:04.000
And so then the man will put you in a different category.
01:07:13.000
Why is the church not saying, if you're wearing a bikini, delete it now?
01:07:21.000
If you're with a friend, that's a separate issue.
01:07:27.000
I mean, it's not that there's not perverts in real life, like if you go to the beach.
01:07:30.000
Of course, but if it's somebody's backyard, it's with all your friends.
01:07:34.000
I mean, if you're going to a pool, going to the beach, something like that, or you want to lay out.
01:07:41.000
I'm not near a beach or anything, but I'm not around other people either.
01:07:49.000
And it's so justifying to know that you are saving yourself for your husband, whether you're married or not.
01:08:01.000
Again, like I said this in another interview, like it's a woman, like a generation full of women who want to be Ruth's, but act like Jezebel's.
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You know, you want to be that Proverbs 31 woman, but you're literally half naked all over the internet.
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No, I totally thank you for saying that because I've wanted to say that for a while.
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And I would be called all these terrible names.
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But why are the women of the faith not policing this better?
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But why are women so accepting of Jezebel-like behavior amongst other Christian women?
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But we have a fear in general of confronting a woman.
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I've had a conversation with a girl who is actually out of the industry and she still dresses immodestly.
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I have brought this topic up multiple times to her about, hey, you know, I saw that you were in this bikini on your, like, it looks like a stripper outfit on your TikTok.
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Even though you're not a married woman, you have a responsibility to cover up.
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Like, I have no shame in helping other women in that journey.
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But again, it's just so many people don't like to make other people feel uncomfortable.
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You're right, is that women are really good norm enforcers, right?
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So they will follow the ways of the time better than men.
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So I guess it's like, hey, we're in Christian Bible study and now we're all just going to post revealing pictures of ourselves, I guess.
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So like I could tell you amongst like at least masculine Christianity, the message right now is like – Save yourself for marriage.
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But I don't see the equivalent on the female side.
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Why is it that men are holding themselves to higher standards right now?
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And women, I know you are, but I'm saying generally, I cannot think of a single...
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But a single major woman voice in Christianity that doesn't just do the Jesus Loves You sermon every single time I see them talk.
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If you haven't noticed the shift in women's attitudes, it's definitely like, I'm independent.
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There's no accountability being held by parents, by friends, by churches.
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It's like women are literally running rampant right now.
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But what's crazy to me too is like this whole like trad wife thing is coming back and it's all of a sudden like this big issue.
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All the time people call me a whore and that I can't be a trad wife.
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Oh, I'm such a bubbly person and God has given me so much grace that I cannot not show that grace.
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Okay, so this whole trad wife movement of like whores becoming traditional women.
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I'm like, okay, listen, I do not call myself a traditional wife.
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Like, I love when I give him a plate of food and he's just so smiley and happy.
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If you have to do takeout many nights a week, it's bad for your marriage.
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I see an issue with this generation is because they learn no skills.
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This generation of like Gen Z, Gen Alpha, all they know how to do is pick up a phone and post and tag and, you know, My mom.
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She showed love in like, you know, showing talent.
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Like, she's like, you need to be good in this, so learn it.
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You know, I hated it when I was a kid, but I'm very grateful I actually learned because now I have a husband.
01:12:41.000
You know one of the biggest lies being sold to American people right now is that you're in control of your money, especially when it comes to crypto.
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But the truth, most of these so-called crypto platforms are just banks in disguise, fully capable of freezing your assets the moment some bureaucrat makes a phone call.
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They offer a self-custodial wallet which means you hold the keys.
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Not some three-letter agency that thinks it knows better than you do.
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This is how it was intended by the original creators of Bitcoin.
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Peer-to-peer money, free from centralized control, free from surveillance, and free from arbitrary seizure.
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So if you're serious about financial sovereignty, go to Bitcoin.com, set up your wallet, take back control, because if you don't hold the keys, you don't own your money.
01:13:37.000
What percentage of the women at our Women's Summit do you think would benefit from a home ec class?
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This is why I produce cooking videos on my Instagram.
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I'm like, here, here's a simple bread making video.
01:14:12.000
I just feel like redemption is not a thing for people if you really don't believe in it.
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How would you ever serve your husband is like a narrative.
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So I have a difficult question when it comes to kids.
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No, I'm sure people have asked you about this, but I'm going to ask it gently, right?
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How are you going to introduce your kids to your past?
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I feel like in the very beginning, I don't have it all figured out.
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In the beginning stages of their life, I feel like I will be very graceful, not super open, open about it, but I would love to sit down with them and have that conversation.
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But that conversation will only lead into, and this is my transition story.
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I ask God to protect their hearts, their minds, everything that they're going to go through, that there would be no person in their life that would just, out of pure evil, show them.
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So I hope the younger audience knows this very self-evidently.
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The older audience probably hasn't thought about this.
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I just want to make sure everyone understands that this is a very real thing.
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You just do it for a period of time and then you get away from it.
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Otherwise, you would live in this constant state of shame and guilt, right?
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When my husband started getting sent my old content, that was so hard.
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You know, he went through a very rough time with it.
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That's someone that you love and respect and honor, and then she's being shown in such a terrible light, you know, for her bad choices.
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It was like people just continuously brought up my sin, you know, and I'm like, I understand that, but God has forgiven me.
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Now, I really pray that in some time in the future that, you know, You know what I'm saying?
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And we're actually making strides towards that on a federal level.
01:17:28.000
That's revenge porn, but you didn't do revenge porn, right?
01:17:32.000
Interestingly, there would be, you know what, a redemption porn law would be an interesting law.
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It would be very hard to pass, which would be if somebody retires and they no longer give them rights that they can't.
01:17:46.000
Yeah, but a lot of people are making money off of me right now.
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No, that's what I'm saying though is that a potential law could be like after five years of retirement, a porn actress could be like, you're not allowed to spread my continent.
01:18:03.000
But it would at least give people some hope that they could digitally escape.
01:18:14.000
But it's also sad that, you know, we did make the decision to put something on the internet, you know, knowingly, like, understanding.
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It's a hard pill to swallow once you're out of the industry.
01:18:49.000
The average age of, unfortunately, young boys and young girls losing their virginity is like 14, I think.
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Parents, I feel like, love to be just— Oh, no.
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The parents, you're being lied to by your kids, by the way.
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Their girls are showing everything in text messages.
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And if you think you know, I don't want to try to make you paranoid.
01:19:22.000
Well, so I had a boyfriend at the time of like 16. That was my very first boyfriend ever.
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And so I'd already lost my virginity at that point, but I was sexting him, you know, pictures of myself, stuff like that.
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I didn't even have internet access, but I was, you know, texting and my parents had no idea.
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Kids are very sneaky and our technology has just gotten better.
01:19:44.000
We have more social media platforms like Snapchat where it instantly deletes after.
01:19:56.000
I had a phone at the age of 16. It was like a flip phone.
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So I grew up without smartphones and it was actually awesome.
01:20:11.000
It's actually, you don't need to know where your kid is at all times.
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It's actually really good for you and for the kid to not know where your kid is actually.
01:20:23.000
I actually get the paranoia and then you have to resist it and grow up and be like, actually, I don't need to have a live stream of what my kid is doing all day long.
01:20:34.000
I will never show pictures of their faces when I have children.
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So this is one of the more simultaneously promising and disturbing things that happens to me.
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And nine-year-olds are coming up asking for pictures with me.
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And they're like, oh, because I follow you on social media.
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If you're following me, I talk about very, very heavy stuff, right?
01:21:23.000
I'm talking about like stuff that is like our NC-17 rated stuff.
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Who, like, in an unregulated way, knows who I am, obviously has seen my content.
01:21:40.000
Hundreds of times these 9, 10, 11-year-olds are coming up to me.
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Not all parents are like that, but so many now.
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In this millennial, Gen Z, mom and dad, like, they're horrible.
01:21:55.000
All it is about is distracting your kid, distracting your kid.
01:21:58.000
I actually follow some amazing moms on TikTok that are tablet-free kids.
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They literally describe their videos as tablet-free children.
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And I'm like, dude, you're literally jeopardizing your child.
01:22:22.000
The same sort of negativity, I think, towards OnlyFans.
01:22:25.000
It's fine if you put your pictures in a picture on social media influencer, but if your account is about like your kids, I think that's super weird.
01:22:35.000
By the way, you know it's illegal to do that, actually.
01:22:42.000
Do you remember that actor's lawsuit that happened in Hollywood like 40 years ago?
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Where there was that child actor and then he sued his parents like 20 years later and he won.
01:22:52.000
And now parents are not allowed to make money off their kids and has to go into a trust.
01:23:00.000
So now these social media parents are making money off their kids.
01:23:03.000
Just saying, you're going to open up yourself to a slew of lawsuits if those kids...
01:23:08.000
Well, I mean, because they'll realize that millions of dollars were made.
01:23:12.000
So I want to – what is then – This is great.
01:23:24.000
The state of male-female relations is so broken down.
01:23:27.000
What do you want to do with your commentary, your life?
01:23:47.000
You know, it doesn't have to just be women on OnlyFans or in the industry, but women now need a wake-up call to the way they're dressing and acting and speaking and the way they treat their husbands.
01:23:58.000
Like, I see some of the most cringeworthy TikToks about how women just hate their husbands because they do this or this.
01:24:06.000
And I'm like, dude, whatever happened to having, like, such, like, a one flesh, one mind, one body?
01:24:13.000
Like, why do you go on the internet to then, like, spew all this darkness about your partner?
01:24:23.000
Like, we're all seeking after validation in, like, any way possible we can get it.
01:24:27.000
And it's all about views and likes and, you know, who's the best, who makes more money.
01:24:44.000
Like, a lot of my haters actually say, you need to disappear.
01:24:49.000
I'm like, I'm the only one speaking about this.
01:24:53.000
I think you have a very important message right now.
01:24:58.000
And I just have to kind of end with something we said previously.
01:25:02.000
Again, I've listened to you for an hour 20. I consider myself pretty well informed on this stuff.
01:25:06.000
What is the objection that people have with you again?
01:25:16.000
But I think that Christians that are watching this, if you've participated in the common hating of Nala, you should really think about that, actually.
01:25:25.000
Because isn't that what the whole gospel is about?
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taking people out of a certain lifestyle and bringing them towards truth.
01:25:33.000
I mean, in John chapter eight, they all wanted to sin.
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They all wanted to stone the prostitute, which I wouldn't say you were a prostitute, but you were a, Yeah, okay.
01:25:46.000
You know, I wouldn't say you were a physical prostitute, but you were digitally.
01:25:51.000
But like, so everyone kind of wants to stone you.
01:25:54.000
Jesus stops it, but there's two parts to this teaching.
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He says, let the first without sin cast the first stone.
01:26:09.000
In fact, you want to bring women out of where they are.
01:26:14.000
So women that are being pressured to have sex when they're uncomfortable, what is your message to them to save themselves from marriage?
01:26:29.000
To like porn situations, it's pressured me into showing more than I ever wanted to show doing things I never thought I would be doing.
01:26:39.000
And I mean, especially with young women, you know, being pressured by boys in school or to feel accepted by their friends.
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But that validation will never come from having sex out of marriage.
01:27:02.000
I want you to say that almost every woman that I know that had sex before marriage wished they would have waited.
01:27:17.000
And you might not have met him if you didn't do that.
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But your message to young women out there, people say, I wish I would have, I wish I would have, I wish I would have.
01:27:32.000
It's really hard to look back and be like, man, if I could take it back.
01:27:50.000
If three years ago, Nala would have watched this interview.
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I probably would have thought I probably would have been so numbed out and my anxiety would have been through the roof.
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The reason I'm asking is only God could have taken you on this path.
01:28:17.000
Jordan introduced Christ back through his actions.
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Was there any moment when the Holy Spirit was whispering to you or convicting you?
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But absolutely, that's why I stopped making content.
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And I'm like, dude, I've never felt weird doing my job.
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So yeah, maybe I wasn't hearing, hearing, but I felt it in my heart.
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My hope is that for the men out there, you will stop watching porn.
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and it's bad for everybody and for women out there.
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It can go all the way from posting a suggestive picture on Instagram.
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Because you are actually part of a problem all the way to something on OnlyFans.
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Women love to complain about how there's no good men out there, but I'm like, you are literally posting half-naked photos.
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And men will not grow up if they can get sex easily.
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They'll stay as grown infants their entire life.
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