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00:00:01.000Public opinion on the Ukraine war has changed and moved dramatically from 7% to 55%.
00:00:07.000And Congressman Jim Jordan joins us to talk about the recent revelations that show the censorship regime the Biden administration has been deploying on the American people.
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00:01:14.000For the last, boy, 16 months, we have taken some pretty serious stances on this program.
00:01:22.000Basically, from the first day, we had an heterodox and contrarian take on the Ukraine-Russia conflict.
00:01:32.000We made really no mystery about our stance.
00:01:35.000We said Putin should not have invaded Russia, but Zelensky's not a good guy.
00:01:39.000And we were attacked from every possible direction.
00:01:42.000In fact, I remember producer Andrew and I were traveling east when we arrived at CPAC in Florida.
00:01:51.000And I said something on the stage of CPAC where I said, what's happening on our southern border is far more important than what's happening in Ukraine.
00:01:58.000I was called a Putin stooge because I refused to repeat the mindless incantation of the warmongers.
00:02:06.000We must support all wars all the time.
00:02:09.000You see, on this program, we have really grown accustomed to when the intel agencies, the corporations, and when the quite honestly evil people, the Marxists, the globalists, want us to believe something so forcefully.
00:02:26.000Now, we've been conditioned, whether it be the mRNA vaccine, masks, lockdowns, ivermectin, where did the virus come from?
00:02:34.000BLM, America's a racist country, St. George Floyd is the greatest person ever, to resist.
00:02:40.000On this program, we have developed rather effective antibodies to the virus of media narratives.
00:02:48.000We can pick it out, we notice it, and we oppose it.
00:02:53.000Great credit to Tucker Carlson, who used his cable television program to relentlessly question the media's obsession with Ukraine.
00:03:03.000Now, make no mistake, a majority of Republicans, as well as a majority of Democrats have been unapologetic mascots for the war in Ukraine.
00:03:45.000We knew that the intel agencies, the Department of Defense, were going to just send American taxpayer dollars overseas to another no-win war.
00:03:57.000We know that because we study history, and I lived through Iraq.
00:04:00.000I lived through Afghanistan, and I used to believe this trash.
00:04:03.000I used to believe in the neocon promise.
00:04:07.000Just one more war, one more surge, one more allocation of money, and that is what is going to make the Iraqis believe in the promise of Thomas Jefferson.
00:08:36.000So that our war industry can turn a good profit?
00:08:42.000This is so evil, what the American government is doing here.
00:08:46.000Not seeking out peace, not trying to end the conflict, but instead increase the temperature, increase the carnage, increase the slaughter.
00:08:58.000Ukraine's offensive is extremely unlikely now to make any progress.
00:09:03.000The text of the article now says that losses for Ukraine haven't been high, they've been staggering.
00:09:09.000They say that Ukrainian commanders have held units back from battle just to try and make sure they have some forces left when it's all over.
00:09:17.000One senior Western diplomat admits that it's extremely highly unlikely that Ukraine makes any notable gains.
00:10:07.000It might be 18 months late, but the American people are waking up and we're going to talk about it.
00:10:12.000And then I'm going to explain the best I can how the modern war works because it's actually not war.
00:10:19.000Unfortunately, it's a theater of slaughter and killing for backwards upside down crony capitalist money laundering so our elites can get rich while soldiers needlessly die in no win scenarios.
00:10:35.000When we started our program, we received when the Ukraine-Russia war began, we received so many negative emails.
00:11:43.000They want to have money sent overseas in a no-win war.
00:11:47.000It's the same behavior that we see domestically.
00:11:52.000If you study even a little bit about who Zelensky is, how he came to power, go talk to actual Ukrainians who lived under, have lived under Zelensky.
00:12:03.000Now, Zelensky is a CIA Western intelligence puppet, literally centrally cast.
00:12:10.000He's an actor playing a part so that Western allies can feel good about pushing back against Russian aggression, of which I will keep on repeating: why do we hate Russia?
00:12:23.000I'm not saying we have to like Russia.
00:12:47.000A majority of Americans of all political stripes say this thing has gotten out of control.
00:12:54.000The Overton window has moved from 7% to 55%.
00:12:59.000I want to encourage you, I want to thank those of you that saw this clearly early on, that saw exactly what our government was doing.
00:13:06.000Our government was lying to you the same way that the government lied about the mostly peaceful riots and domestic terrorism Antifa and BLM, the same government that lied about the mRNA shot, that lied about masks, that lied about the Hunter Biden laptop.
00:13:27.000The media has been 100% in the tank for Zelensky.
00:13:50.000Zelensky is the best person ever, and Putin is the worst person ever.
00:13:57.000I want to read this from the New York Times: quote: The first several weeks of Ukraine's long-awaited counteroffensive have not been kind to the Ukrainian troops who were trained and armed by the United States and its allies.
00:14:12.000This is one of the most immoral things our government has done in the last 90 days.
00:14:16.000And our government does a lot of stuff.
00:14:17.000Keeps our border wide open, allows kids to get raped, sex trafficked, fentanyl, opioids.
00:14:23.000Our government, in a lackluster way, trained Ukrainians that wanted to fight for their country and sent them on a suicide mission against better equipped, better-trained Russian forces.
00:14:46.000Almost every single Republican senator, absent a few, Josh Hawley, Rand Paul, and Mike Lee, still think the Ukraine thing all in, as they would say.
00:14:57.000The Republican Party is still largely infected with neoconservative trash.
00:15:06.000This toxin that we are going to save the world from itself.
00:15:10.000Just another 200 billion, another 300 billion.
00:15:13.000Do you understand how much money 200 billion is?
00:15:42.000We have just been downgraded by the rating agencies.
00:15:45.000And the priority of our Senate leadership and Senate Republicans is to go fund a no-win war, a slaughterfest, a suicide mission against better trained, better equipped Russian forces.
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00:17:03.000Joining us now is Congressman Jim Jordan, who's been on a mission to uncover the illegal, unconstitutional censorship regime that has been stifling conservative speech.
00:17:14.000Congressman, thank you for taking time.
00:17:18.000The headline is, Facebook files part four shows FBI censorship liaison may have perjured himself.
00:17:24.000That's just one element here of the story.
00:17:44.000One of the executives even said that this is encroaching on the boundaries of free expression, but they did it because they wanted to keep a cozy relationship with the Biden administration.
00:17:54.000One of the requests was even, one of the requests was even, can you change your algorithm?
00:17:59.000This is the government, Rob Flaherty at the White House and the Biden administration.
00:18:02.000Can you change your algorithm to accentuate and highlight New York Times stories and suppress and downgrade stories from the Daily Wire, Tommy Lehrer, and other conservatives across?
00:18:16.000They come after you too and Tucker and other folks.
00:18:19.000Yeah, so but literally, the government trying to tell a private company, change your algorithm so that we can get the news that the state, that the government approves of, not anything, not news that may be contradicting or criticizing the positions of the Biden administration.
00:18:41.000I believe there's going to be legal challenges, including from our own show, Department of Homeland Security.
00:18:47.000We are there because the government is not allowed either by proxy or themselves to stifle the First Amendment liberties of citizens.
00:18:55.000But, Congressman, this has not been an easy effort.
00:18:57.000You had to threaten a potential contempt of Congress vote of Mark Zuckerberg.
00:19:03.000Facebook has been very reluctant to hand over these files.
00:19:07.000Walk us through some of that because it took a little bit of potential force, if you will, to actually pressure is a better word, to get them to comply.
00:19:17.000Yeah, they wouldn't turn over the internal communications.
00:19:19.000We wanted exactly what Elon Musk made available on Twitter or NowX, the internal communications that showed the kind of pressure that was coming from the government.
00:19:27.000So we had the Twitter files because Elon Musk bought Twitter and allowed good journalists, actually Democrat journalists like Matt Taibby and Michael Schellenberger to put that information out there and others.
00:19:40.000And then we wanted the same thing for Facebook and they kept stonewalling us.
00:19:42.000And finally, we said, okay, if you're not going to turn it over, we're going to hold you in contempt.
00:19:46.000And then Shazam, they decided to give us his document.
00:19:48.000And Matt Taibbi himself said what we got from Facebook was even worse than what they uncovered in the Twitter files, what was going on in Twitter, the level of how we find out that it looks like Mr. Chan may have not have been completely straightforward during his deposition in the Missouri case,
00:20:06.000the case that was the Missouri and Louisiana case, where he said that he had one communication with Facebook on October 14th, 2020, the day that the New York Post story came out about the Biden laptop.
00:20:19.000And it turns out he had another communication the next day.
00:20:22.000And in that communication, he talks about the fact that the FBI, that he was up to speed on the FBI investigation, and they had no evidence.
00:20:29.000This is key, no evidence that the Biden laptop story was a Russian information operation, as they allowed Twitter and Facebook to believe, and it actually kind of pre-bunked the whole idea that this story was going to come out, which I think is really significant.
00:20:46.000And frankly, that is probably the biggest election interference in the 2020 presidential race is the idea that this story was suppressed.
00:20:55.000And then, of course, the 51 Intel formatted.
00:20:58.000I think an important letter, Congressman, is how willing was Facebook to participate in this?
00:21:06.000Because based on everything I've seen and public reports, Facebook was almost forced by the federal government to do this and or threatened.
00:21:13.000From what I can understand, Mark Zuckerberg received massive fury from the Democrat and Uniparty regime post-2016.
00:21:22.000In fact, most people looked at Facebook and social media companies as why we got Donald Trump, Cambridge Analytica, the algorithms.
00:21:29.000And so Zuckerberg was under this massive pressure.
00:21:32.000You might remember he was called to testify in front of the Senate, which was a joke because half the senators were like asking him how to log into their phone.
00:21:39.000It was just, it was not exactly a tech-savvy hearing.
00:21:43.000However, Zuckerberg then received FTC lawsuits and pressures of breakup and monopoly threats and DOJ antitrust stuff.
00:21:50.000And then Mark Zuckerberg goes on Joe Rogan last August and reveals the FBI was making house visits saying, hey, by the way, there might be a Russian disinformation play, which of course was, hey, you better do what we tell you to do or else these antitrust stuff might not work out.
00:22:05.000Can you just kind of give us a little bit of a window into Facebook's mentality here?
00:22:14.000Now, I also think that folks at Facebook were, there's a lot of people who leaned to the left and wanted to do this, you wanted to keep conservative speech and suppress conservative speech.
00:22:24.000So I think he had all that going on, but there was certainly this pressure campaign put on him.
00:22:29.000I think many of them were willing to go along with it.
00:22:31.000And we know they were willing to go along with it because they did.
00:22:36.000And they did it knowing that it was an attack on the First Amendment.
00:22:39.000Nick Clay, one of the executives, said that.
00:22:41.000So it wasn't just like, oh, poor Facebook.
00:22:43.000They were being pressured, certainly, by the government, certainly.
00:22:48.000But I think they were, in many ways, willing participants in making it tough for President Trump and for conservatives.
00:22:57.000Now, understand in October of 2020, Elvis Chan had talked about this, and so had Yoel Roth at Twitter.
00:23:06.000They talked about on a weekly basis, big tech met with the FBI and other people in the government.
00:23:13.000They were told to be on the lookout for a hack and leak operation in October that would likely involve Hunter Biden.
00:23:19.000So they prepped them for what was coming.
00:23:22.000And it's like, how did the FBI know this was going to happen?
00:23:25.000Well, of course they knew because they had the laptop for a year prior to that.
00:23:29.000Then when it comes public, they know it's not Russian information operation.
00:23:34.000They know it's not a Russian operation.
00:23:36.000But when they're asked directly by Twitter and by Facebook, the FBI says no comment.
00:23:42.000That is how, I mean, you talk about impacting an election.
00:23:45.000And we will never know to the extent the aggressive language that was used by the FBI in some of these meetings with Yoel Roth.
00:23:52.000We can infer they had standing appointments.
00:23:55.000And it's important to remember, Mark Zuckerberg also out of nowhere became this like massive enthusiast for mail and voting, $400 million for Center for Technology at Civic Life.
00:24:04.000So it's very, it's clear, and it's hard to prove, but it's clear that Zuckerberg was malleable and Facebook was malleable because they were afraid the government was going to come down with a massive sword on them.
00:24:15.000And they said, okay, okay, how can we make this good?
00:24:18.000And somebody recommended, hey, $400 million, this nonprofit would help.
00:24:22.000You know, working with the feds on suppressing speech would help.
00:24:26.000And it very well could have been that Zuckbox's plus censorship was a make-good for 2016.
00:24:31.000So, Congressman, are you at any place where you think that Facebook is now afraid of further censorship for the 2024 election?
00:24:41.000Because right around the corner, Facebook controls a significant portion of chatter, both on Facebook and Instagram.
00:24:47.000Do you think that their behavior has been corrected, or are you just getting more arrogance and trapdoors and half-truths from Facebook executives?
00:24:56.000Well, I certainly hope the fact that we've shown a lot, you know, put some sunlight on this and some sunshine on this, I think that's made a difference.
00:25:05.000And of course, we know that we have someone who believes in the First Amendment who now owns X, who now owns Twitter.
00:25:12.000So that's a huge step in the right direction when you talk about free expression in the public forum.
00:25:19.000And we also know it's making a difference.
00:25:21.000For example, two and a half weeks ago, the IRS announced they will no longer be sending agents out to Americans' doors unannounced.
00:25:30.000I think the only reason they made that change is because what we uncovered with them knocking on Matt Taibbi's door at the very moment he was testifying in front of our committee about this whole censorship operation.
00:25:42.000And I think we made such a big deal about that that they changed their tune.
00:25:46.000Of course, now the FBI doesn't say that.
00:25:47.000They say, oh, we're concerned about our agent's safety.
00:25:50.000But I think that what motivated that fundamental change there was we have brought this to America's attention.
00:25:58.000We're also working on legislation with Senator Paul that would say if you're involved in pressuring and censoring American speech, that there will be consequences.
00:26:14.000And the citizens who've been aggrieved have a chance to bring a civil action against that individual who's limiting Americans' First Amendment free speech rights.
00:26:22.000So that's legislation we think we'll bring forward to you.
00:26:25.000I think all this helps to actually get the free forum that we all thought this was supposed to be some time ago.
00:26:32.000Right now, there's been a pause on the contempt vote.
00:26:36.000Are you at a place where you're getting what you desire from Facebook?
00:26:41.000That's why we keep releasing these Facebook files because we, again, want to highlight how serious it was.
00:26:47.000As I said earlier, Matt Taibbi, award-winning journalist who was part of uncovering all the things that were going on on Twitter and the Twitter files, said that what he sees here is in many ways worse than what was uncovered in the Twitter files, and we know how bad that was.
00:27:00.000So, yeah, we're getting the information, and we're just going to keep doing our jobs in conversation.
00:31:57.000If you're in support of the Ukraine thing, then you probably also believe America is a systemically racist country because it's the same people who have a pattern of lying, covering up the truth, and manipulating you.
00:32:08.000They do not pushing this for the right reasons.
00:32:14.000Now, as if he was going to persuade people, they deploy Chris Christie on a PR tour.
00:32:21.000This is a typical neocon talking point.
00:32:50.000In fact, there is far more danger to you and your grandchildren happening right now on the southern border than anything that Russia is doing.
00:33:05.000So, Chris Christie, again, if I were to give some advice to Chris Christie, stop talking about big and large, big and large, big issues, small issues.
00:33:15.000I mean, this is a guy that makes Lizzo look skinny, and he's talking about big.
00:33:23.000One of the points of my campaign, guys, is that America has never been great by being small.
00:33:29.000And right now, in elements of my party and in the elements, some elements of the Democratic Party, we are arguing over what I consider to be small issues.
00:33:37.000They're not unimportant, but they're small.
00:33:40.000The big issues that we have to deal with, and one of them is American leadership around the world.
00:33:46.000Those issues are what makes America bigger, stronger, richer, freer.
00:33:52.000So he believes firmly that our involvement in Ukraine is the most important thing that's happening.
00:34:00.000In fact, he's telling you the fact that we've spent $220 billion that it's not enough.
00:34:40.000Two-thirds of the audience that I had was very supportive of my position on Ukraine, which is that we haven't done enough.
00:34:47.000Okay, so Chris Christie, a little advice.
00:34:50.000When you talk about a crowd of eight people, six of which are on the board of Raytheon, don't, it's not awfully persuading on a television interview.
00:34:57.000You know, I was in a boardroom with six Raytheon people, and two-thirds of the room really supported.
00:35:39.000But you understand, it's the same way where they say wear masks while you're alone in your bathroom.
00:35:46.000There is no rational argument to keep on sending money to Ukraine, to a no-win war, to a suicide mission for brave Ukrainians that are getting mowed down by Russians.
00:35:55.000And we were the one, we were the government that poked the Russian bear.
00:35:59.000Remember, it was Lady Graham and all of his friends, John McCain and Klobuchar, Snow Woman, that provoked this entire invasion.
00:36:26.000How would you act if Russia went to Mexico City with their senators and started talking like that?
00:36:33.00046% of our country cannot get their hands on $400.
00:36:37.000Are they resting easy that now the American government is on pace to spend $250 to $300 billion to foreign corrupt oligarchs in a no-win war, a slaughterfest, while Americans are poor?
00:36:49.000Thanks so much for listening, everybody.