The Charlie Kirk Show - September 26, 2026


THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 144 — Lesbian Bar Drama? Toys 'R' Us Returns? Elon Musk's Paramount?

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00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.
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00:01:17.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another Thought Crime Thursday where I am, as you can see, live on location.
00:01:27.000 I'm actually in St. Louis, Missouri.
00:01:31.000 And we literally, as we're recording this, just finished.
00:01:37.000 The beatification mass of Fulton J. Sheen.
00:01:40.000 And you can, in fact, see the procession, I guess, right over here behind me over my shoulder.
00:01:46.000 And you can see folks are filing out 1,000 priests were here today, 89 bishops, and about another thousand sisters, nuns, religious clergy.
00:01:59.000 So many people here, as well as a cardinal directly from the Vatican.
00:02:04.000 Just an incredible American moment, incredible time to be an American.
00:02:08.000 Obviously, a huge moment for the church, but a huge moment also for America and the idea of publicly bringing God and Christ back into the public square.
00:02:19.000 And he is actually the very first American born bishop to be declared blessed, beatified by the church, which means that's just one step, one step below sainthood.
00:02:32.000 And in fact, so it requires one miracle to be blessed.
00:02:38.000 Give the lay of the land here a little bit.
00:02:40.000 And it's very hard to come by these.
00:02:43.000 They have a child who was born with 61 minutes.
00:02:48.000 His heart stopped for 61 minutes.
00:02:53.000 They couldn't find anything.
00:02:54.000 They thought he was done for.
00:02:55.000 They prayed for Fulton Sheen to intercede on his behalf.
00:02:59.000 Boy started living.
00:03:00.000 And just an incredible thing that boy actually walked in the procession here today, 16 years old now.
00:03:07.000 He presented the relic of Blessed Fulton Sheen.
00:03:11.000 On the stage, I believe it's still on the stage.
00:03:14.000 It is actually his jawbone is now in a reliquary on stage right here in St. Louis, Missouri.
00:03:20.000 And it's going to be on display as people head out afterwards.
00:03:22.000 So just incredible.
00:03:23.000 I mean, talk about thought crimes, right?
00:03:25.000 He was the biggest thought criminal of them all, Fulton Sheen.
00:03:28.000 If anyone watches his shows, his clips, just amazing.
00:03:31.000 What's up, guys?
00:03:32.000 So, Jack, that's awesome.
00:03:34.000 How does.
00:03:36.000 I'm curious.
00:03:37.000 Let's just state it out at the onset here.
00:03:40.000 I think Fulton Sheen is a mountain of a man, one of the legends.
00:03:43.000 It was him and Billy Graham.
00:03:45.000 Earlier today, I said they were like the double barrel shotgun of mass Christianity, a major move of God in the United States in the 50s and 60s, and then beyond.
00:03:55.000 But I'm curious because I've always had this question.
00:03:57.000 Actually, Cerno explained it to me one time, but I forgot his answer.
00:04:01.000 But I remember thinking that was pretty good.
00:04:03.000 When we talk about praying to somebody to intercede, right?
00:04:07.000 So, as a Protestant, I was always taught that we have one intercessor, and that is Jesus Christ, right?
00:04:12.000 That's like the book of Hebrews.
00:04:15.000 What's the Catholic theology on that exactly?
00:04:17.000 I was going to ask the same question because I don't know either.
00:04:20.000 Well, so the difference is between mediator and intercessor.
00:04:24.000 So, a mediator is, of course, Christ.
00:04:27.000 Christ is the only one who can mediate between.
00:04:31.000 Between the laity, the human beings, and heaven and God.
00:04:35.000 Of course, there's no question.
00:04:36.000 Prayer of intercession is simply going to someone who we believe is already in heaven and saying, Hey, can you put in a good word for me?
00:04:44.000 It's the idea of asking them to.
00:04:48.000 Oh, praying to.
00:04:49.000 A lot of people will say that, oh, it's Catholics believe that it's praying to that person.
00:04:54.000 But no, it's not praying to them.
00:04:55.000 It's asking them as a favor, Hey, can you pray for me as well?
00:04:59.000 Got it.
00:04:59.000 Okay.
00:05:00.000 Yeah, I remember thinking it was like, not a bet, because like, okay.
00:05:04.000 I think if I'm remembering, Cerno was like basically, well, you know, we believe in life everlasting, right?
00:05:10.000 So they're still alive.
00:05:11.000 So can you ask somebody who's living to say a prayer for you, kind of thing?
00:05:15.000 I think that's how I remember it.
00:05:16.000 I got to look into it more because I've always, you know, I admit.
00:05:19.000 We're already getting sectional disputes.
00:05:22.000 Yeah.
00:05:23.000 In the Rumble chat, we have Sergeant T. 1978.
00:05:26.000 God performed the miracle, not the dead archbishop.
00:05:30.000 Yeah.
00:05:30.000 The Holy Spirit is the intercessor.
00:05:33.000 Well, there's, but again, that's, wait, wait, wait.
00:05:35.000 But that's, But there's no, that is, obviously God performs the miracle.
00:05:39.000 No one's ever said otherwise.
00:05:42.000 There's no question.
00:05:43.000 The idea is that you asked for the intercession of, at the time, Venerable Fulton Sheen, now Blessed Fulton Sheen, you know, to pray for, in this case, it was the son.
00:05:55.000 And really, at the end of the day, the fact of the matter is that boy did live after his heart not beating for 61 minutes.
00:06:01.000 And what's just amazing as an American story that he was here today, Participating in this 16 years after that happened.
00:06:09.000 That is just incredible.
00:06:10.000 That is wild.
00:06:12.000 That is wild.
00:06:12.000 That's a little wacky.
00:06:14.000 He has like veneers.
00:06:15.000 Is there a reason why they have his jawbone in that particular form?
00:06:19.000 Well, because that's very Catholic, right?
00:06:20.000 It is, but usually they're dead a longer time.
00:06:23.000 That's right.
00:06:24.000 A person's bones were more dissectable.
00:06:28.000 Whereas we.
00:06:29.000 Yeah, that's an interesting question because it is kind of a.
00:06:31.000 It feels like an ancient thing, right?
00:06:33.000 You would bury somebody and then they would.
00:06:36.000 They did a lot of wacky stuff in the Middle Ages.
00:06:38.000 They would straight up.
00:06:38.000 They would just dig up.
00:06:39.000 Their body and the entire body was already magical mystery bits.
00:06:43.000 The body was already wacky, Blake.
00:06:44.000 It's not wacky.
00:06:45.000 This is our Catholic tradition.
00:06:47.000 It's not, you know, you know, the lot of Catholic tradition is super wacky, Jeff.
00:06:51.000 You know, this is a wacky church.
00:06:53.000 We are, we are wacky, Maxine.
00:06:55.000 We are, Maxine.
00:06:56.000 Look, I'm not gonna hang out here and call this kooky while we're literally in the thing.
00:07:03.000 I think that would be very disrespectful.
00:07:05.000 Yeah, listen, here's what I would tell you Fulton Sheen is the freaking man.
00:07:11.000 So, why don't we just play some of his.
00:07:13.000 His best of.
00:07:16.000 How about this?
00:07:18.000 Here we go.
00:07:19.000 Sot 3.
00:07:21.000 This is the era of Western civilization.
00:07:28.000 Modern Western civilization has identified freedom with freedom from constraint, and it denies goals and purposes and ends.
00:07:39.000 All of our freedoms have certain goals and certain purposes and objectives.
00:07:45.000 The result is that our people of our Western world, simply because they do not know why they are living, they've never decided what they're going to do with their freedom, find it boring.
00:07:56.000 They would like to surrender their responsibility.
00:07:58.000 They're full of anxieties and worries, and there's nothing in life that is quite as boring as a purposeless existence.
00:08:08.000 Simply because our Western civilization has not found the meaning and the purpose of life simply because it concentrates upon freedom from something, our Western world is strong only in war and not in peace.
00:08:28.000 It's strong only in war because it has the basic objective, at least, of defending our own existence.
00:08:34.000 But it is not strong in peace because it has no unified faith, no universal goal, no universally recognized purpose in life.
00:08:47.000 Charlie used to talk about that a lot.
00:08:48.000 I will say it stood out to me when he was talking that his accent felt hard to place.
00:08:53.000 And I looked up where he's from.
00:08:54.000 It's just El Paso, Illinois.
00:08:56.000 Random small town in central Illinois.
00:08:58.000 I don't.
00:08:59.000 I don't feel like they talk like that anymore.
00:09:00.000 No, they don't.
00:09:03.000 And it didn't sound Irish.
00:09:04.000 It was Irish by descent.
00:09:05.000 Yeah, you see?
00:09:07.000 It's like, it's got kind of that stuff.
00:09:08.000 It felt a little mid Atlantic, yeah.
00:09:10.000 Isn't it that, like, yeah, the mid Atlantic accent?
00:09:14.000 It's that, like, FDA kind of had that accent.
00:09:18.000 Yeah.
00:09:19.000 But it is crazy because that is a New York, you think of New York elites, and this guy, I'm just looking at his history.
00:09:25.000 He went to, they moved to Peoria, Illinois, and then he went to.
00:09:30.000 University in Illinois, and then he studied a seminary in St. Paul, Minnesota.
00:09:34.000 So, very Midwestern, and Midwesterners don't talk that way much.
00:09:38.000 It also could be, but he was the Bishop of New York.
00:09:43.000 Fair.
00:09:44.000 Maybe it all just bled over that way.
00:09:45.000 For about 15 years.
00:09:47.000 So, it could have just kind of.
00:09:49.000 1895.
00:09:50.000 Yeah.
00:09:51.000 And again, like that was sort of like, and that Mid Atlantic accent always was a sort of, you know, affected way of speaking anyway.
00:09:59.000 So, it could just be like you say, like he just.
00:10:01.000 Gotta pick up the paperwork.
00:10:03.000 Let's be honest.
00:10:04.000 The guy was a showman.
00:10:05.000 He knew how to capture the camera.
00:10:08.000 And he did a good job of that.
00:10:10.000 Angela says we need to play clip four and clip 19, so we're gonna do it.
00:10:13.000 Clip four.
00:10:14.000 We have rights and liberties, like freedom of press, freedom of conscience, freedom of association, which do not come from the government, which do not come from the will of a majority, which do not come from a state.
00:10:29.000 These rights and liberties come to us from God.
00:10:32.000 Therefore, the state cannot take them away.
00:10:35.000 That is our principle.
00:10:36.000 Now they have to deny God because that would be another source of rights than the state or the party.
00:10:43.000 In order to build up this structure of theirs in which the party is supreme, they must hold that any right or liberty which the individual possesses comes to him from the party.
00:10:54.000 Therefore, the party can take the rights and liberties away.
00:10:59.000 But if there was a God, then there would be rights not dependent on the party.
00:11:05.000 So they have to deny God.
00:11:08.000 So good.
00:11:09.000 Yeah, I mean, that feels like writing message with the founders, which is right.
00:11:14.000 We consider these truths to be unalienable or these rights to be inalienable.
00:11:19.000 Self evident.
00:11:20.000 Exactly.
00:11:20.000 What am I saying?
00:11:20.000 Exactly.
00:11:21.000 We hold these truths to be self evident and they are endowed with their creator with certain inalienable rights.
00:11:25.000 Gosh, I got my brain got tied up.
00:11:27.000 You've got to study one of those Hillsdale courses.
00:11:28.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:11:29.000 No, but the point is, and then Charlie would always say that we have freedom, but in the Western world, we use it as freedom to be licentious, right?
00:11:38.000 As opposed to we have freedom to be virtuous.
00:11:41.000 Right.
00:11:41.000 And the founders didn't believe in licentiousness.
00:11:43.000 That was not the freedom that they were ascribing.
00:11:47.000 Anyways, continue on.
00:11:48.000 I'm just looking at other stuff that's just interesting about him.
00:11:51.000 Apparently, his show had to get taken off the air because he had a beef with a cardinal over paying for powdered milk that they received.
00:12:02.000 This is insane.
00:12:02.000 This is from Raymond Arroyo, who wrote a book, and this was Why Life is Worth Living, went off the air.
00:12:07.000 In the 1950s, the government donated millions of dollars of powdered milk to the New York Archdiocese.
00:12:12.000 Cardinal Spellman of that archdiocese handed that milk over to the Society for the Propagation of the Faith to distribute it to the world's poor.
00:12:20.000 On at least one occasion, he asked that the director of the Society, Bishop Fulton Sheen, pay the archdiocese for the milk.
00:12:26.000 He wanted millions of dollars.
00:12:28.000 Despite Cardinal Spellman's considerable powers of persuasion, Sheen refused.
00:12:33.000 And then apparently, Spellman said, I may take six months or 10 years, but I will get even with you.
00:12:39.000 Everyone will know what you are like.
00:12:41.000 And apparently, he froze Bishop Sheen out of parishes in New York City.
00:12:49.000 And then he got the Pope to appoint him the Bishop of Rochester, New York, to get him out of the city.
00:12:55.000 And so, no beef like a New York clerical beef, I guess.
00:13:00.000 Also, on the more upside of things, I didn't realize Martin Sheen, his stage name of the book.
00:13:04.000 Well, but Blake, this was also, I was going to say, this is also because that, keep in mind that a lot of the other bishops didn't like the fact that he had so much influence and so much renown.
00:13:18.000 And, you know, this was all kind of happening in the context of Vatican II, which was the liberal side of the church.
00:13:26.000 Gaining more primacy.
00:13:28.000 So, of course, they were working together to take down one of the most obviously conservative bishops that was publicly out there.
00:13:36.000 So, I would think it's probably a little bit more than just the powdered milk.
00:13:42.000 Yeah, I mean, you're probably right.
00:13:45.000 I mean, the church is not immune from petty squabbles or turf wars.
00:13:50.000 We certainly are aware of that.
00:13:52.000 But in general, do we play 19?
00:13:54.000 We have not.
00:13:55.000 Okay, let's play.
00:13:57.000 I feel like, Jack, this is your favorite sheen.
00:14:00.000 This is your favorite sheen here.
00:14:03.000 19.
00:14:04.000 Communists are right in saying this world needs a revolution, but not their cheap kind, which merely transfers booty and loot out of one man's pocket into another.
00:14:14.000 We need the kind of a revolution in the United States and in the rest of the world that will purge out of a man's heart pride and covetousness and lust and anger and envy and gluttony and self.
00:14:27.000 In other words, the true battle against communism begins within the heart.
00:14:32.000 Of every single American means the recovery of our own great tradition, of our belief in God, of an affirmation in politics and an economic life, and among our politicians of the things that are right and true before God.
00:14:48.000 Then we need not fear communism, for if God is with us, then who can be against us?
00:14:57.000 It's really so good.
00:15:00.000 I'm getting amazed just reading more of his stuff, apparently.
00:15:02.000 That was so good.
00:15:03.000 His, uh, when life was worth living, life is worth living debuted.
00:15:06.000 It was competing directly with the Frank Sinatra show on CBS, and it defeated the Frank Sinatra show, which was canceled, competing in a time slot against a bishop, giving people, dude, the guy had swag.
00:15:22.000 He had some swag.
00:15:23.000 That's what I'm saying.
00:15:23.000 I'm not surprised to see the veneers.
00:15:25.000 He was like, I'm a showman.
00:15:27.000 So I know that, um, I know that, uh, that, uh, we don't do jackets, but I did want to show, so, uh, on Thought Crime, but I did want to show, so they're giving out these nice pins here.
00:15:38.000 Where you can get for your jacket.
00:15:40.000 So it's right there a little lapel pin of JMJ.
00:15:44.000 And this is what he would write at the top of every single one of his chalkboard talks when he would do the chalk talks.
00:15:50.000 He may have been the first guy on television to ever do that.
00:15:53.000 He would always write at the top, Jesus, Mary, Joseph, JMJ.
00:15:56.000 He was the original Karl Rove.
00:15:58.000 Is that what you're saying?
00:16:00.000 Or Glenn Beck.
00:16:01.000 Glenn Beck does the chalkboard, too.
00:16:04.000 I remember, actually, one Amfest, Glenn Beck was basically, hey, I need a chalkboard.
00:16:12.000 We couldn't find one.
00:16:15.000 I'm just getting amazed.
00:16:16.000 Other stuff, the fifth Primetime Emmy Awards.
00:16:18.000 So this is only the fifth Emmy's ever held.
00:16:21.000 They had a category, most outstanding personality as a host.
00:16:25.000 Fulton Sheen wins and he defeats in this category some of the names Lucille Ball, Edward R. Murrow, Adlai Stevenson, a few others, Jimmy Durante, like all of these legendary people in television and also Adlai Stevenson for some reason.
00:16:40.000 Is there an image of this, of him accepting the.
00:16:43.000 That would be quite the image if they have that.
00:16:46.000 I'm sure there's an image of it somewhere.
00:16:47.000 But do you guys know?
00:16:49.000 Wait, Blake, does it say.
00:16:51.000 The story goes that when he received the Emmy, he got up there and said.
00:16:56.000 Well, of course, I'd like to thank the Academy for choosing me here on this.
00:17:02.000 And I'd also like to thank my writers, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
00:17:07.000 Oh, that's amazing.
00:17:08.000 Did he really say that?
00:17:11.000 Or is that a joke?
00:17:12.000 It certainly sounds incredible.
00:17:14.000 I mean, he does have.
00:17:14.000 I'm curious.
00:17:15.000 It sounds true.
00:17:16.000 It sounds true.
00:17:16.000 It does sound true.
00:17:18.000 Is this him?
00:17:19.000 Yeah.
00:17:20.000 Yeah.
00:17:22.000 That's wild.
00:17:23.000 I'm trying to see.
00:17:23.000 Is this him holding it?
00:17:25.000 No, that's not him.
00:17:26.000 I think we only have meme images of him holding it rather than.
00:17:29.000 I don't know if they broadcast that all live.
00:17:30.000 Back then, yeah, there were only like five TV channels, stations.
00:17:34.000 So, and yeah, a lot of I was, I've been, so I've been, yeah, I've been talking to a lot of the funny enough, a lot of the guys here, um, sort of about the route, the uh, the uh, records and the archives of the Fulton Sheen show.
00:17:47.000 And while I think there's 280 hours of it that exist that are known to exist in terms of the footage, but only about 80 hours of it have ever been digitized.
00:17:57.000 So, there's like another 200 hours of Fulton Sheen's show that that just hasn't been released yet, and it wouldn't surprise me.
00:18:04.000 That's part of it because a lot of it, it's like ABC or CBS have it in their archives.
00:18:08.000 There's also a radio show that, believe it or not, he started his radio show in 1926.
00:18:14.000 So 100 years ago, this guy started on the radio.
00:18:19.000 It would be interesting.
00:18:20.000 And he went all the way through World War II.
00:18:23.000 Sorry.
00:18:23.000 I know we got a delay because you're remote right now, but it'd be interesting to see how he handled the Wall Street crash, 29, or the Great Depression.
00:18:34.000 That'd be really interesting to kind of hear it.
00:18:36.000 Even World War II as well.
00:18:38.000 Yeah, certainly.
00:18:38.000 You hear him talk about communism, it'd be really interesting to hear him talk about it.
00:18:42.000 Well, that was what was interesting.
00:18:43.000 He was talking about we are only mighty in war because at least we have a gathering principle.
00:18:47.000 At least we have something that sort of gives us a goal and a purpose.
00:18:53.000 But that is the military industrial complex.
00:18:55.000 That's what all of us have been raging against the neocons for.
00:18:59.000 It's like we can't just be happy in peace.
00:19:00.000 We've got no gathering principle.
00:19:03.000 We've got no peace.
00:19:04.000 Moving on and on with forever war.
00:19:06.000 It's almost like it fills some empty, vapid void within the hearts of our politicians because of what Fulton Sheen said.
00:19:13.000 Go ahead, Jack.
00:19:13.000 Sorry, brother.
00:19:14.000 No, so I was going to say you mentioned about what Russ was just saying about communism.
00:19:18.000 So he not only did he decry communism and he went so hard that even after the United States publicly allied, of course, with the Soviet Union in World War II, that J. Edgar Hoover went so far as to open up.
00:19:37.000 An investigation on Fulton Sheen and he had him tailed by an FBI agent.
00:19:42.000 And they found that, uh, Hoover.
00:19:46.000 And he said that they couldn't find anything on him, that he had never done.
00:19:51.000 Obviously, it was against the war effort, but that he just wouldn't stop condemning communism, even regardless of us allying with them in the war.
00:20:00.000 So the FBI literally investigated him.
00:20:02.000 But one cool thing, though, happened is that after the war ends and the Cold War begins, Fulton Sheen's anti communism actually became very beneficial to the FBI.
00:20:13.000 And believe it or not, he actually used to work to convert.
00:20:17.000 Public socialists and communists in the United States, like Bella Dodd, who was the head of the teachers' union, he converts her to Catholicism.
00:20:26.000 And then she starts working for the FBI as an informant against the Soviet Union and against like Soviet cells within the United States.
00:20:35.000 So, I mean, it's just this whole part of our story from the 1950s that we've been like, you know, it's just been completely denied from our history.
00:20:43.000 That's just an incredible patriot beyond the obvious, also an incredible patriot.
00:20:48.000 You know what that makes me think of, though, Jack, since this is a show that we love to remember Charlie, is that Charlie, I'll never forget, you said MLK, he was investigated by the FBI, right?
00:21:00.000 Well, so was MLK.
00:21:02.000 And that's a man that they did find some things on.
00:21:06.000 I mean, I'm just saying, not all reverence follow the scriptures the same way.
00:21:15.000 But we don't have to make it about that.
00:21:18.000 But I would say that that came to mind.
00:21:20.000 Actually, they did.
00:21:21.000 I will say, though, I will say, There was one thing that he found apparently in the report, and I guess they got the file later.
00:21:28.000 They did find that he talked his way out of getting a speeding ticket or a parking ticket or something.
00:21:33.000 Good man.
00:21:34.000 Good man.
00:21:34.000 Wow, that's just because he had the gift of gab.
00:21:37.000 He was a great salesman, man.
00:21:38.000 Oh, man.
00:21:39.000 That's fun.
00:21:40.000 That's why his jawbone is up there.
00:21:42.000 That's why the jawbone is up there.
00:21:44.000 I said jawbone.
00:21:45.000 It's just very old.
00:21:46.000 That is a good point.
00:21:47.000 He had the gift of gab.
00:21:48.000 They actually explicitly say that's why it's.
00:21:51.000 Oh, that is?
00:21:51.000 They do?
00:21:52.000 That makes sense.
00:21:54.000 Here, we got to play false compassion, and I think we got to go on to lesbians.
00:21:57.000 Here we go.
00:21:58.000 Sat one.
00:22:00.000 False compassion, which is gradually growing in this country, is a pity that is shown not to the mugged, but to the mugger.
00:22:16.000 Not to the family of the murdered, but to the murderer.
00:22:21.000 There are the social slobberers who insist on compassion being shown to the muggers, to the dope fiends.
00:22:31.000 To the throat slashers, to the beatnicks, to the prostitutes, to the homosexuals, to the punks.
00:22:43.000 So that today the decent man is practically off the reservation.
00:22:50.000 This is the false compassion.
00:22:52.000 Reject all compassion for beatnicks.
00:22:55.000 Destroy the beatnicks.
00:22:58.000 Bring back the words social slobberer.
00:23:01.000 Social slobberer is great.
00:23:03.000 That's fantastic.
00:23:04.000 What a character.
00:23:06.000 There's a really good, in the extended version of that, he starts going off and he says that it came from literature.
00:23:12.000 And in fact, it came from the books of it.
00:23:14.000 He starts writing off some names of authors and he goes, and John Seinbeck, that slob.
00:23:25.000 You know, I mean, what's interesting, when is the last time anybody in the mainstream said anything about the homosexual lifestyle like that?
00:23:34.000 I mean, that's.
00:23:35.000 Talk about thought crime.
00:23:37.000 That was, I mean.
00:23:40.000 Wow.
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00:24:59.000 All right, now, speaking of all this, we're going to decry this.
00:25:03.000 We are going to decry the lifestyle because we need to talk about the lesbian bar in Western Massachusetts.
00:25:08.000 I insisted upon this because it is the funniest article ever written.
00:25:13.000 I hope there are people in the audience that are completely unaware of this because it is.
00:25:19.000 Absolute gold.
00:25:20.000 It is.
00:25:20.000 It is.
00:25:21.000 So, this is an article by the Boston Globe in their Globe magazine section.
00:25:24.000 I'm actually not as familiar with it.
00:25:26.000 So, please.
00:25:26.000 You're not as familiar with getting this book.
00:25:27.000 So, this dropped a couple days ago as of this recording.
00:25:30.000 I've seen the headline.
00:25:30.000 Out of nowhere by Annalisa Quinn.
00:25:32.000 And it's an article about.
00:25:33.000 It's so great because it basically has a very anodyne headline.
00:25:37.000 It's like a Western Massachusetts lesbian bar required KN 95 masks.
00:25:42.000 When it changed the rules, all hell broke loose.
00:25:45.000 Very dry.
00:25:47.000 Very dry.
00:25:48.000 It's like Last Ditch Bar in Greenfield wanted to build community.
00:25:50.000 They got a firestorm instead.
00:25:52.000 And then, if you go past that dry headline, you start reading the content of it, and you get it.
00:25:59.000 You really, all of you should find this article, find an archived version of it so you can read the full thing.
00:26:04.000 Or, you know what?
00:26:04.000 Subscribe to the Boston Globe for at least a month to read it.
00:26:07.000 They deserve it.
00:26:08.000 Because every paragraph of this article is stupendous.
00:26:12.000 I'm just going to read the start of it, but we should get through all of the contents of it.
00:26:15.000 Seriously.
00:26:15.000 The August 31st Instagram post from Last Ditch Bar and Arts Venue, a lesbian bar in Greenfield, was upbeat, teasing a new DJ lineup and a volunteer meetup.
00:26:26.000 But part way down the rainbow hued post labeled updates was a sentence that would splinter the queer community of this small Pioneer Valley city and beyond.
00:26:38.000 It is with love we inform our immunocompromised disabled divas that we will be opening Saturday nights as mask optional, wrote Last Ditch.
00:26:50.000 Previously, patrons were required to wear a well fitted KN95 mask or better at all times.
00:26:58.000 You get Fauci approved?
00:27:00.000 The new policy was not received with love.
00:27:03.000 Just say you're being complicit in a mass disabling event and get over it, wrote one commenter.
00:27:10.000 People like you kill disabled people in the name of your own leisure and convenience, posted another.
00:27:18.000 I hope your venue gets firebombed for robbing my fellow immunocompromised people of their Saturday plans just to scrape extra revenue from ableists, wrote a third.
00:27:32.000 Oh, and it goes from there.
00:27:34.000 Listen, the thread grew to 442 comments.
00:27:36.000 Some supportive, but many furious.
00:27:39.000 The people running the bar were accused of being ableist, eugenicist even, for relaxing their signature policy in the face of what commenters consider an ongoing pandemic.
00:27:51.000 Greenfield hasn't reported any COVID cases more than two months.
00:27:53.000 It's so perfect.
00:27:55.000 It's so great.
00:27:57.000 They are literally COVID dead enders.
00:28:00.000 They're still requiring masks.
00:28:02.000 They're still having people lose their minds because they were in an ongoing pandemic that everyone else moved on from five years ago.
00:28:09.000 Exactly.
00:28:09.000 Well, it's.
00:28:10.000 It's kind of like that story of the Japanese guy in World War II that was on that island.
00:28:16.000 And then 20 years later, he still thought we were fighting it.
00:28:18.000 I've been there.
00:28:19.000 I've been there to Guam.
00:28:20.000 Yes.
00:28:21.000 What was that in Guam?
00:28:23.000 There were a bunch all over.
00:28:24.000 I think the last one was in the Philippines.
00:28:26.000 And he went 30 years or something.
00:28:28.000 Wow.
00:28:28.000 30 years.
00:28:29.000 Yeah.
00:28:30.000 These people are going to be buried in the masses.
00:28:33.000 The one in Guam, they had to dig up his commanding officer because he didn't believe that.
00:28:41.000 The war had ended because he said Japan would never surrender.
00:28:45.000 And so he said, This is a trick of the Western devils.
00:28:49.000 And he actually started shooting at people who tried to come in and get him out of there.
00:28:53.000 And they had to go find his commanding officer from Japan and then bring him back to order him to come out and lay down his sword.
00:29:01.000 Yeah.
00:29:01.000 This one, it's so great.
00:29:02.000 The bar posts an apology.
00:29:04.000 You can read that one.
00:29:06.000 So they posted an apology.
00:29:07.000 We are so sorry for our passive and dismissive tone of our change in norms and schedule impacting the most.
00:29:15.000 Intersectional of us.
00:29:16.000 The most intersectional.
00:29:17.000 The most intersectional.
00:29:19.000 They, instead of defusing the situation, the apology seemed to make things worse.
00:29:24.000 The bar had aired.
00:29:25.000 It posted an Instagram card without providing alt text for the visually impaired.
00:29:30.000 Without providing alt text.
00:29:32.000 Set off a fresh round of accusations of ableism.
00:29:36.000 Without providing alt text for the visually impaired.
00:29:39.000 This is basically.
00:29:40.000 This is not an acceptance.
00:29:42.000 This is basically a genocide.
00:29:43.000 So let me explain in broader terms, like.
00:29:46.000 How this story plays out, right?
00:29:48.000 So these three friends, Foz, if you can, yeah, get them up.
00:29:53.000 Oh, we have a rumble rant.
00:29:54.000 Let's start there.
00:29:54.000 Zuzu's pedals, maybe they wanted to keep the masks because they weren't pretty enough to show their faces and flirt successfully.
00:30:02.000 Well, you be the judge.
00:30:03.000 Okay.
00:30:05.000 One of the bad parts about this article is you cannot tell how many of the lesbians are lesbian and how many of the women are women because the answer may be zero.
00:30:13.000 Or are they all carnies?
00:30:15.000 Oh, yeah, it could be all.
00:30:17.000 Or are they all carnies?
00:30:19.000 And here's the funny part is.
00:30:20.000 One of these three gals, or whatever they are, who started this bar together, ended up leaving the venture to go to clowns.
00:30:28.000 Yeah, just what's missing from my life.
00:30:31.000 And they see like a little clown go by.
00:30:33.000 Yes.
00:30:34.000 So here's the broad strokes of what happened.
00:30:36.000 So the bar apologizes.
00:30:38.000 Instead of quelling the rebellion, it makes it worse.
00:30:42.000 And it gets really out of hand.
00:30:45.000 I think it's the gal on the left there of your screen, the one that actually looks like a woman.
00:30:50.000 Oh, wow.
00:30:50.000 That's being generous.
00:30:51.000 I mean, of course.
00:30:53.000 Of all of them, that one on the left is definitely the one.
00:30:55.000 She's the only one without facial hair.
00:30:57.000 Yeah.
00:30:58.000 This is one of those moments where you want the Beau French language.
00:31:02.000 He's like, Dear God, it's worse than we thought.
00:31:05.000 Right there, just looking at the picture.
00:31:09.000 Anyway, so they try and make it apologize.
00:31:10.000 It makes it worse.
00:31:11.000 They all gather for a Zoom call and an in person call.
00:31:16.000 Some of the people wouldn't come in person, some of them only would join by Zoom because they were that upset.
00:31:22.000 And at this point, Two of the people had left.
00:31:25.000 I believe the gal on the left, that does appear to be a female, was the last one remaining.
00:31:30.000 She was living in her truck, working four jobs, $50,000 in debt, and she was just trying to hold on to this place and pay the rent in order to keep the bar alive for the communal aspect of it all.
00:31:41.000 And then, Blake, they bring in a mediator who's a white therapist.
00:31:45.000 Yeah, a white therapist.
00:31:47.000 Oh, man, let's get into the mediator.
00:31:49.000 All right.
00:31:50.000 So, two designated mediators were there to facilitate conversations.
00:31:55.000 Duh, duh, duh.
00:31:56.000 And then they take the duh, duh, duh, duh.
00:32:00.000 The Zoom attendees speculated that the mediator's licensed status made her a mandated reporter, an agent of the state, akin to police.
00:32:10.000 One person going by Moss asked the mediator if they could have them hospitalized against their will, adding that the mediator's presence was, quote, wildly unsafe.
00:32:21.000 Yeah, but then they basically say that it's all racist.
00:32:25.000 So somehow it becomes a racist party here, and that the therapist, Because it's a white therapist, isn't able to speak.
00:32:35.000 A lot of people are calling for an acknowledgement of harm, and I'm hearing a white therapist centering the feelings of a majority white and white adjacent staff, writes Noir, who is black.
00:32:47.000 It's someone going by their drag name, too.
00:32:49.000 Their name is something Noir, and it's not their real name, it's their performer name.
00:32:55.000 You chose to use your time to spill tears and center your feelings, Noir posted in the chat.
00:33:01.000 This is incredibly racist and deflecting behavior.
00:33:05.000 Eventually, after three and a half hours of discussion, the meeting wrapped up.
00:33:08.000 Noir had more to say, but when someone suggested he come to the next community meeting, he refused.
00:33:13.000 There's a lot of emotional and physical labor that goes into this.
00:33:16.000 So, for you, as a white person, that asks for me to stay for another meeting for free, he said, is incredibly disingenuous and racist.
00:33:26.000 I'm not doing that.
00:33:28.000 Yeah, I mean, this is.
00:33:29.000 I don't know.
00:33:31.000 But here, a couple things.
00:33:33.000 The reporter did such a good job of just telling it straight.
00:33:36.000 Yes.
00:33:36.000 When.
00:33:37.000 Your subjects are so insane when they are so bananas, so bizarre, so off the reservation.
00:33:44.000 Just tell it straight.
00:33:45.000 Just tell it straight.
00:33:46.000 Tell it straight.
00:33:47.000 Insanity just bleeds through.
00:33:49.000 Straight.
00:33:49.000 Tell it straight.
00:33:50.000 Tell it straight.
00:33:51.000 But these people are existing in a subculture that is so insular and is so foreign to most of us that it's like going to the zoo reading this article.
00:34:02.000 It's really getting at what should the business model be if you're a fading newspaper like the Boston Globe, which hasn't kept up with the New York Times, LA, you know, the ones that have.
00:34:10.000 Really become national papers.
00:34:12.000 Honestly, this apparently they got over a thousand new subscribers just after this article.
00:34:16.000 It's quite a bit higher now.
00:34:18.000 Massively viral, by far their most read article in ages.
00:34:23.000 Liberal newspapers in liberal areas, you've got to provide freak show content of your local libs because this sort of thing is happening all the time.
00:34:34.000 Noir?
00:34:34.000 I just love what they're describing.
00:34:35.000 This Greenfield is both physically and spiritually sometimes referred to as Lesbianville, USA.
00:34:41.000 In the Pioneer Valley, quote, Every bar is a lesbian bar.
00:34:46.000 Nevertheless, Last Ditch, which opened last year as a bar for, quote, dykes, transsexuals, gender freaks, workers, and their friends, is struggling.
00:34:56.000 Yeah.
00:34:56.000 So that's the whole point is that basically it was doing really well.
00:34:59.000 Business was good.
00:35:00.000 Then they do this whole mask optional thing, you know, six years after COVID started.
00:35:06.000 And everybody leaves it, they bail on it.
00:35:08.000 It becomes this huge controversy within this community.
00:35:12.000 I genuinely can't imagine.
00:35:14.000 I mean, this feels like.
00:35:15.000 Blue Sky on steroids.
00:35:17.000 It's the same spirit as Blue Sky.
00:35:19.000 It is in real life.
00:35:20.000 I just love this.
00:35:22.000 One wondered if they could have a Lady Gaga themed night to revive the bar's fortunes.
00:35:27.000 And Mixie, one of the people here, demurs.
00:35:30.000 Gaga is canceled, she says.
00:35:32.000 Gaga is Zionist.
00:35:34.000 Well, and this reporter goes on to talk to this noir person.
00:35:39.000 And these quotes are stuff that we've been hearing for the last year and a half I'm not going to give grace, spreading rhetoric that can and will get people hurt.
00:35:51.000 He's referring to the fact that the bar account had liked a few comments supporting the relaxed rule.
00:35:57.000 Yeah, I'm telling you, this is like when we talk about peak woke, we're going to look back at this and be like, there's these little outposts in Guam and the Philippines.
00:36:04.000 Yep.
00:36:05.000 Are these people still fighting the world war?
00:36:08.000 It's still 2020 in terms of how woke they are and how they approach COVID, insane mass violence.
00:36:14.000 This is why people freak out when they see the inner workings of like a DSA meeting and they're like, point of personal privilege.
00:36:19.000 They're always like this.
00:36:20.000 And they're like, here's my privilege card.
00:36:22.000 I get it.
00:36:22.000 Every lib organization at a campus is like this.
00:36:24.000 This is the culmination, this is the obvious conclusion of these people in their insanity.
00:36:30.000 Left.
00:36:31.000 Left unaddressed.
00:36:33.000 One of the things that is really interesting about this to me, by the way, that's underappreciated and it's kind of a big picture thing, it gets at how lesbians are very different from gay men.
00:36:44.000 Have you ever noticed that?
00:36:46.000 And, like, yeah, okay, they're men and women, of course, but most of the time, anyway.
00:36:51.000 But on top of that, they have radically different cultural practices in a way that I think would.
00:36:58.000 Well, lesbians and gay guys not really mix too much.
00:37:00.000 They don't.
00:37:01.000 And even think about this stuff.
00:37:02.000 As an example, I don't think I would say, as an example, that's interesting.
00:37:06.000 Gay men actually hang out with women all the time, you know, male hairdresser, gay male drama stuff.
00:37:11.000 They go into female spaces.
00:37:13.000 Lesbian women don't mix with men, like everyone's got, you know, gay male hairdresser.
00:37:18.000 There's not lesbian bar like barbers, they hang out with other women.
00:37:22.000 Other lesbian, hold on, hold on.
00:37:24.000 All right, you want to have some real thought crimes?
00:37:26.000 Let's have some real bar crimes.
00:37:27.000 Yeah, okay, so Blake.
00:37:30.000 So, all right, so Blake, for example, you mentioned a certain type of gay man, but there are two types of gay men, so yes.
00:37:37.000 There's a lot of misogynist lesbians.
00:37:39.000 There's no question.
00:37:39.000 We all get that.
00:37:40.000 We all know we're very familiar with it.
00:37:42.000 Unfortunately, we can't seem to get away from it.
00:37:45.000 But there's two types of gay men.
00:37:47.000 All right.
00:37:49.000 There's the type that you mentioned, but then there's also the gay men who hate women.
00:37:54.000 All right.
00:37:55.000 There's also the misandrist gay men who are like, I can't stand them.
00:38:00.000 I don't want anything to do with them.
00:38:01.000 And that makes them go off in the other direction.
00:38:05.000 Those are two different teams.
00:38:07.000 Those are two stereotypes.
00:38:09.000 I feel like I don't encounter the misogynist gay men.
00:38:14.000 They exist, but they seem very rare.
00:38:16.000 I'm thinking in general, you think that gay men are very artsy, as it were, musical.
00:38:23.000 It feels like.
00:38:24.000 True.
00:38:24.000 I mean, that's fair.
00:38:26.000 Not all women.
00:38:27.000 A lot of women.
00:38:28.000 Another thing I think about that's interesting is that they're definitely a stereotype.
00:38:31.000 Notice literally just only gay men.
00:38:33.000 And even stuff beyond just lifestyle stuff.
00:38:35.000 Think about the fact that this bar, this lesbian bar, is very obviously.
00:38:38.000 Also, a political project.
00:38:39.000 Oh, we're going to ban police from this bar.
00:38:42.000 We're going to talk about Lady Gaga.
00:38:44.000 And, like, they welcome whole, yeah, they care about Zionism in Palestine.
00:38:48.000 They allow homeless people to go in there.
00:38:50.000 Like, in comparison, like, does any gay bar have a political ideology?
00:38:54.000 Like, they'll have the gay flag and, like, they would allow cops in because they want their strippers to be dressed like cops or whatever.
00:39:00.000 They're much more good time boys.
00:39:02.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:39:03.000 I mean, a gay bar is much more likely to cause a new pandemic than to be.
00:39:10.000 You know, never ending bitter end against the last one.
00:39:12.000 I think it's the key word there.
00:39:14.000 It is.
00:39:15.000 Like, lesbians are very resentful.
00:39:17.000 Like, they're kind of ideologies like they're, you know, gays are gay.
00:39:20.000 You know, they're, we're, we're, we're not gay right now.
00:39:24.000 Is that why we started calling gay men gay?
00:39:26.000 Because they're sort of.
00:39:28.000 I think it kind of did start from that, like as a euphemism sort of thing.
00:39:31.000 Like musical is a British euphemism for gay.
00:39:35.000 And whereas in comparison, there's an actual lesbian line that's like, we're not gay, we're angry.
00:39:41.000 Really?
00:39:41.000 Yeah, that was like a lesbian protest thing and all of that.
00:39:46.000 And they're called.
00:39:46.000 Yeah, interesting.
00:39:48.000 I'm looking at a chart.
00:39:49.000 There's an amazing one.
00:39:49.000 They're called gay because the word transitioned over centuries from meaning joyful to describing a lifestyle outside of conventional social norms.
00:39:56.000 Okay.
00:39:56.000 I'm looking at there's an amazing chart by our friend Steve Saylor where he has why lesbians aren't gay and he has a big chart that's contrasting them.
00:40:04.000 So, for example, cultural tastes, gay men, arts, women, lesbian women, crafts.
00:40:14.000 Gay men, they like classical art.
00:40:17.000 They actually like classical art.
00:40:18.000 They like the ancient Greeks.
00:40:19.000 They like the ancient Romans.
00:40:20.000 They actually love classical music, opera, and all of that.
00:40:24.000 Whereas lesbian women, they resent dead white men.
00:40:27.000 They want to overthrow the canon.
00:40:28.000 I feel like lesbians listen to like Folk music.
00:40:31.000 Yeah.
00:40:31.000 No, well, it says gay men, music.
00:40:34.000 Lesbian women, lyrics.
00:40:38.000 Gay men, unpolitical and hedonistic.
00:40:40.000 Lesbian women, political and very activist.
00:40:43.000 Yes.
00:40:44.000 Yes.
00:40:45.000 Well, I mean, this boils that down.
00:40:47.000 Another interesting one.
00:40:48.000 This is really interesting.
00:40:49.000 Gay men don't claim to speak for all men, whereas lesbian women routinely will speak what women want.
00:40:55.000 So they're speaking for all women.
00:40:57.000 So they're speaking for all women.
00:40:58.000 So they're speaking for all women.
00:41:00.000 Lesbian form.
00:41:01.000 Yes.
00:41:01.000 It is.
00:41:02.000 Because women.
00:41:03.000 Even if they're gay, they think that they're like Nortman Forces.
00:41:06.000 This one is funny.
00:41:07.000 Gay men frequently persecuted, lesbian women frequently ignored.
00:41:11.000 So, for example, in Nazi Germany, they actually did persecute gay men.
00:41:16.000 You could get sent to a camp for that.
00:41:17.000 Lesbianism was legal in Nazi Germany.
00:41:20.000 Didn't even care.
00:41:21.000 Interesting.
00:41:21.000 So, get this by the 17th and 18th centuries, gay developed a secondary risque connotation implying sexual immorality, uninhibited behavior, or Promiscuity, such as gay houses, which referred to brothels.
00:41:36.000 Oh, all right.
00:41:37.000 And then by the early to mid 20th century, the word was used underground within queer subcultures as a discrete way to identify one another without using clinical terms.
00:41:48.000 And then during the 60s and the 70s, a reclamation of the word ensued.
00:41:52.000 Activists actively championing the word as a positive, self chosen alternative to the medicalized and stigmatized label of homosexual.
00:42:01.000 And then in the 90s, we started using it as a Derogatory term towards our friends.
00:42:04.000 And then there was elementary school.
00:42:08.000 We started calling our buddies gay.
00:42:10.000 I'm just thinking of other things.
00:42:11.000 The kids are going to do all right if I keep saying that.
00:42:13.000 I just keep thinking of other things.
00:42:15.000 I just keep thinking of more comparisons like the fact that gays, they all go to the big city.
00:42:19.000 They want to be a lot of gay guys.
00:42:22.000 And then these women went to their lesbian villa in rural Massachusetts to set up their lesbian bar in a town of 10,000 people.
00:42:29.000 Is it the Pioneer Valley, this part of Massachusetts?
00:42:31.000 I can't say I am.
00:42:33.000 Yeah, Jack's our resident East Coast.
00:42:36.000 Say again.
00:42:37.000 We're asking about when was your last visit to this part of Massachusetts?
00:42:40.000 Because you're from the East Coast.
00:42:42.000 Have you ever been to Western Mass where this pioneer is?
00:42:45.000 You're aware that Massachusetts is not next to Philadelphia, right?
00:42:49.000 Yeah, I mean, it seems pretty close by to me.
00:42:52.000 It's all close.
00:42:54.000 It is all close.
00:42:54.000 Have you seen Arizona on a map?
00:42:56.000 It's a very large state.
00:42:57.000 Probably as large as where you are from.
00:43:00.000 Yeah, go ahead, Jack.
00:43:01.000 So you've never been there.
00:43:02.000 Okay, fine.
00:43:04.000 Jack, what is your general perception of the country?
00:43:07.000 No, no, no.
00:43:07.000 Why are you guys trying to go?
00:43:10.000 I just wonder what it's like.
00:43:12.000 One of my interesting, one of my interesting sense on that is that people have to remember that when you talk about like domestic abuse, for example, domestic violence and the perpetration of domestic violence, and I think we've said this on the program before, is that you will actually find higher incidents of domestic violence if you count women because obviously men are more forceful when they're violent, but women actually commit domestic violence more.
00:43:41.000 And men just don't usually like, like, Respond to it or care.
00:43:46.000 You see, it's de minimis in many cases.
00:43:47.000 But the highest instance of domestic violence in any couple, whether it's gay, straight, heterosexual, et cetera, or homosexual, is within lesbians.
00:43:59.000 It's the highest rate of domestic violence.
00:44:02.000 I was looking this up.
00:44:05.000 I'm looking it up.
00:44:07.000 I'm fact checking you because I was.
00:44:08.000 Although I wonder how often it's actual domestic violence and how often, I mean, you see how political they are.
00:44:13.000 They're like, your emotional tone was highly abusive and unacceptable.
00:44:17.000 You yelled at me.
00:44:17.000 But, like, reading this article, you can completely see why they think they're so victimized all the time.
00:44:22.000 Jack's right.
00:44:23.000 Data from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention indicates that lesbian women report the highest lifetime rates of, but they don't call it domestic violence.
00:44:32.000 They call it intimate partner violence, IPV, which is not apparently an STD.
00:44:39.000 It is not a venereal disease.
00:44:40.000 Nope.
00:44:40.000 Nope.
00:44:41.000 IPV is just intimate partner violence.
00:44:47.000 Gosh, I just love this story.
00:44:48.000 It's fun.
00:44:49.000 Every detail in this story, like, you just go to any random paragraph and read it.
00:44:52.000 It's so funny.
00:44:53.000 And it's just so fun.
00:44:55.000 Wow, you know who has the lowest reported rate?
00:44:58.000 Gay men.
00:44:59.000 Yeah.
00:45:00.000 I mean, I guess it's just, like, lack of testosterone.
00:45:03.000 I kind of get it.
00:45:04.000 What would they be doing?
00:45:06.000 I just feel like they're in a fight.
00:45:08.000 Because two men are, like, they're in a fight and they're, like, all right, fine.
00:45:11.000 I'm just going to leave.
00:45:12.000 Well, they probably fight.
00:45:12.000 They just walk away.
00:45:14.000 Yeah.
00:45:15.000 Like, I don't know.
00:45:17.000 I feel like I go through a lot in life and I don't know.
00:45:20.000 I'm going to get in big trouble if I. Go for it, Jack.
00:45:23.000 Say it.
00:45:23.000 Stop crying.
00:45:24.000 Man.
00:45:24.000 No, because guys know how to.
00:45:26.000 Guys, because you can tell.
00:45:27.000 All right, fine.
00:45:28.000 I'm just going to put it this way.
00:45:29.000 Because you can tell a guy to calm down and he will.
00:45:32.000 Right?
00:45:33.000 Just try that with a woman.
00:45:34.000 It's like that Eminem song.
00:45:36.000 By the way, I was trying to show the team here some of the younger kids, like little Tupac.
00:45:42.000 Yeah, I was going to say, you were trying to show them Tupac.
00:45:45.000 No, the reason it came up is that because there's this video of Tupac, speaking of gay, where the internet is accusing Tupac of being like a Gay actor.
00:45:53.000 I sent you that video.
00:45:54.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:45:54.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:45:55.000 And it's like before he was famous and he got out of his like pizza job to go do this interview because he's like, I'm an actor.
00:46:02.000 And he kept doing like the limp wrist thing.
00:46:04.000 It's very interesting.
00:46:05.000 Anyway, so I was like, Tim, do you guys ever heard of Tupac?
00:46:08.000 Anyway, Eminem, this will be my last rap reference of the week.
00:46:11.000 When I was in high school, I had bad musical taste.
00:46:14.000 But anyway, so Eminem was, he has that one line where he goes, What's a little fight?
00:46:19.000 Tomorrow we'll be bros again.
00:46:20.000 And I've always thought about that going like, That is very dude.
00:46:23.000 That is dude.
00:46:23.000 Slim Shady is a bad musical taste.
00:46:25.000 Come on now.
00:46:26.000 Well, I just think rap in general is degenerate.
00:46:28.000 When it first opened, Last Ditch did fairly well.
00:46:32.000 Customers fondly remember a raucous opening at night with a clothed simulation of a lesbian sex act, masks in place on the dance floor.
00:46:41.000 No condoms, just masks.
00:46:43.000 Masks everywhere.
00:46:44.000 Wait, wait, wait, Andrew, Andrew, wait.
00:46:47.000 Can I ask a question about it?
00:46:49.000 It's a little bit of a tangent, but this thing has been going kind of viral lately where people are saying that, like, and I think I saw you tweet something about it, that Rap is like not in the top 40 anymore after we defunded USAID.
00:47:02.000 Is that true?
00:47:03.000 It's totally true.
00:47:04.000 I mean, I'm not saying causation.
00:47:06.000 What is going on with that?
00:47:07.000 It's a fun correlation.
00:47:08.000 Correlation.
00:47:10.000 Correlation.
00:47:10.000 But, yeah, it was John Doyle.
00:47:12.000 He was like, you know, what's your favorite reason we're going to win in the midterms?
00:47:16.000 And I was like, because we defunded USAID and now there's no more rap songs in the Billboard Top 40, which is true.
00:47:24.000 It's been like a total desert for a number of months.
00:47:28.000 I looked it up before I tweeted it.
00:47:29.000 Well, a lot of it is, too, the artists who are known for rap have started going into other genres.
00:47:38.000 Well, Kendrick Lamar was there and then he got booted, but he was like at 41.
00:47:44.000 That's actually good music.
00:47:45.000 Yeah, but he's popular.
00:47:46.000 So, but there's really just like rap's falling off.
00:47:50.000 It's not a good art form.
00:47:51.000 I mean, how many.
00:47:52.000 It was never a good art form.
00:47:53.000 Where else are you going to go with rap?
00:47:54.000 It is what it is.
00:47:55.000 Into the garbage.
00:47:58.000 I think rap is starting to fill more of a messaging bubble again, like with Tom McDonald and like people who are actually trying.
00:48:08.000 Yeah.
00:48:08.000 That's like a whole different genre.
00:48:10.000 Yeah, but white rap is infinitely better than black rap.
00:48:14.000 Says the white guy.
00:48:14.000 But yeah.
00:48:15.000 Yes.
00:48:16.000 I do think it's like generally more thoughtful.
00:48:18.000 Yes.
00:48:19.000 But that's kind of, I think that's the point.
00:48:20.000 I think you're starting to see the, it's starting to become more lyrical and actually like people are trying to actually use it to promote messaging rather than just mumble garbage, like nonsense.
00:48:33.000 Yeah, like gangster rap was all about I'm going to shoot shit.
00:48:35.000 Mumble rap.
00:48:36.000 Like the Billy Corgan.
00:48:38.000 Did you guys see the Billy Corgan thing that he said about rap music?
00:48:42.000 Like how it got started?
00:48:43.000 Uh-uh.
00:48:45.000 No.
00:48:45.000 So Billy was telling, he has this podcast, The Magnificent Others.
00:48:50.000 It's really good.
00:48:51.000 And I'm a huge Smashing Pumpkins guy in general, a voice band fan of Billy.
00:48:56.000 And so he was saying that, but actually, he was on another podcast where he was being interviewed and they asked him about this.
00:49:04.000 And I don't know exactly how it came up, but he said that he remembered it was like there was this one day in the late 90s where he's like, we just showed up to MTV and suddenly everything was different.
00:49:15.000 Suddenly, all the standard, even like basic stuff, like the standards of things that you were allowed to show in videos.
00:49:22.000 When he would do a music video, they would say, Hey, you can't show guns, or like, Hey, you can't show alcohol, or like something like that.
00:49:30.000 And they would just allow it all of a sudden for rap.
00:49:32.000 And he was like, It was a complete changeover, you know, overnight, where rock had been this huge thing for like the early part of the 90s.
00:49:41.000 And then at some point, it's like they came in and suddenly, boom, it's like, Oh, rap is just going to be the one that gets pushed now.
00:49:48.000 So to your point, here's a guy who was at the highest levels of the music industry.
00:49:53.000 Who was also kind of saying that he felt like there was a sort of artificial push to give rap this standing that it had?
00:50:03.000 I'm not saying there aren't any fans, but he was pointing out that it was very clearly pushed really hard by Hollywood, by the entertainment leaders.
00:50:13.000 I've heard this.
00:50:14.000 And that he felt like rock was just kind of pushed away.
00:50:17.000 I've heard this a lot, but I think it can be overblown because one thing that really hurt us actually is once they started getting SoundScan or whatever to track what was selling, it.
00:50:28.000 Kind of made the top it changed the top 40 very aggressively when that started to happen because what was a top 40 hit was much more before they actually could scan it.
00:50:38.000 It was like vibes based, it was like they're like, Oh, yeah, we're totally hearing all about this thing, and that could be 100% gamed.
00:50:43.000 Oh, we're pushing this new artist, they have a new thing.
00:50:45.000 So the churn in the top 40 was much more rapid.
00:50:48.000 That's wild.
00:50:48.000 And then what if the truth is the opposite?
00:50:50.000 As soon as the opposite is true, the CIA was pushing all those bands, and then as soon as it was something more like as soon as it was, they could track it actually, like with real numbers, we're deciding the top 40.
00:51:02.000 One hit started to stick around a lot longer because it turned out a number one hit had a longer lifespan than people thought.
00:51:07.000 And then the other thing is, we did see a big explosion in rap and hip hop because I think they kind of tamped down Britney Spears.
00:51:14.000 They tamped down on, for lack of a better word, ghetto stuff, ghetto music.
00:51:18.000 And then it turned out they couldn't hide that a lot of people liked that.
00:51:21.000 And then I wouldn't be surprised.
00:51:22.000 Maybe we got the Corgan thing of they overcorrected, oh, this stuff is actually really popular.
00:51:28.000 Let's all embrace this new thing.
00:51:30.000 Rock is out, rap is in.
00:51:31.000 Which is exposed that we all like.
00:51:33.000 I looked at our music taste.
00:51:36.000 All of you are sinners.
00:51:38.000 All of you are sinners who listen to that.
00:51:40.000 So critics.
00:51:41.000 And pop culture historians, Jack, point out that MTV's focus at the time actually pivoted heavily toward teen pop acts like Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys or new metal and pop punk rather than a direct overnight swap to rap.
00:51:55.000 So I saw that.
00:51:56.000 But yeah, he kind of suggests maybe the CIA was involved.
00:51:59.000 So what's interesting about this USAID thing, and Blake and I have kind of joked about it a couple times, is that the other theory is that that's why all of these right wingers are getting elected in South America because we defunded USAID, which actually.
00:52:13.000 Does probably sound at least somewhat plausible, you know, on some level because you imagine all these government cutouts and these NGOs and these grants that are actually sort of like, you know, black budget, you know, CIA cutouts.
00:52:27.000 I think that could be like an actual thing.
00:52:29.000 I can't prove it, but it is a weird correlation.
00:52:32.000 Well, speaking of adults who like toys, we should go to our next topic.
00:52:37.000 Is that in reference to the opening night of last days?
00:52:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:52:44.000 Don't worry, they wore masks.
00:52:45.000 Oh, okay.
00:52:47.000 Okay, well, you guys wanted to talk about toys.
00:52:50.000 I just went to mass, okay?
00:52:52.000 I literally just went to mass.
00:52:54.000 All I'm going to say is Jack is the one who wanted the topic about toys.
00:52:59.000 Man, it's true.
00:53:00.000 Ninu.
00:53:02.000 Okay, segues.
00:53:03.000 Kids' toys.
00:53:04.000 Kids' toys.
00:53:05.000 He loves toys.
00:53:06.000 Who adults love.
00:53:08.000 No, you love adult toys.
00:53:09.000 Toys are us as adults.
00:53:10.000 It's not adults and adult toys.
00:53:12.000 Jack, let me tie these two together for you.
00:53:14.000 So the kids that grew up not on rock music and Bill Corgan.
00:53:20.000 They grew up on Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, and pop punk and rap.
00:53:27.000 These kids have grown up and they love Toys R Us.
00:53:31.000 Coincidence, causation, or correlation, Jay?
00:53:36.000 Well, so it's a really amazing thing because, you know, the next topic that we're going to get into is that Toys R Us is like coming back.
00:53:47.000 And actually, I can actually explain what's really going on with this.
00:53:51.000 It's similar to what you said, but not exactly because you're missing a big piece of it.
00:53:55.000 Is the return of Toys R Us, but the focus of Toys R Us now is going to be on adults, not kids.
00:54:04.000 Yeah, where's the scary music?
00:54:07.000 Come on.
00:54:07.000 Dun The scream.
00:54:09.000 Failing that, they could play the Indian music.
00:54:11.000 Yeah.
00:54:13.000 There you go.
00:54:14.000 Or that.
00:54:14.000 That's what I wanted.
00:54:17.000 I had the honor of a lifetime to call Charlie a friend.
00:54:22.000 And what I remember most wasn't just what people saw on stage.
00:54:26.000 It was what was behind the scenes.
00:54:28.000 That was an unwavering commitment to his faith, his love for his family, and his genuine desire to encourage others to live with courage and conviction.
00:54:37.000 Charlie believed that following Christ wasn't something you compartmentalize.
00:54:41.000 He didn't put it in a box, he lived it out loud.
00:54:44.000 It shaped how he lived, how he served, how he treated people every single day.
00:54:49.000 Charlie Kirk, American Martyr, captures that heart.
00:54:52.000 This documentary isn't.
00:54:53.000 Just simply about remembering Charlie.
00:54:55.000 It's an invitation for each of us to ask what kind of legacy we're building and whether we're willing to stand firm in our own faith when it's tested.
00:55:03.000 I hope that you'll watch it with your family and have those conversations together.
00:55:07.000 Go to angel.com slash Kirk.
00:55:10.000 That's angel.com slash Kirk.
00:55:12.000 Become an Angel Guild member.
00:55:13.000 Watch Charlie Kirk, American Martyr, and help bring more stories of faith, courage, and conviction to audiences around the world.
00:55:23.000 All right.
00:55:24.000 We got to get back, though.
00:55:25.000 We got to take ourselves back in time to a kindler, gentler era where we still had a country.
00:55:32.000 We had self respect.
00:55:33.000 Kids were kids.
00:55:34.000 Adults were adults.
00:55:36.000 Let's play.
00:55:38.000 SOT 11.
00:55:38.000 I don't wanna grow up, I'm a toys reskin.
00:55:41.000 They got a million toys and toys, they're out that I can play with.
00:55:45.000 I don't wanna grow up, I'm a toys reskin.
00:55:48.000 They got the best for so much less, you really flip your lid.
00:55:51.000 From bikes to trains to videos.
00:56:09.000 Did he say so gay for toys?
00:56:11.000 No.
00:56:12.000 Oh, okay.
00:56:12.000 No.
00:56:13.000 I must.
00:56:14.000 I think the word at that point was not.
00:56:16.000 That had been reclaimed by the.
00:56:17.000 Yeah.
00:56:18.000 No, not at that point.
00:56:19.000 But you know what's funny about this whole topic is that line in the song that I forgot.
00:56:24.000 Like, I don't want to grow up because if I did, then I couldn't be a Toys R Us kid.
00:56:29.000 Except you can now, Jack.
00:56:31.000 You could be a Toys R Us adult.
00:56:33.000 Much like its worst cousin, the Disney adult.
00:56:36.000 So bad.
00:56:38.000 So bad.
00:56:39.000 So bad.
00:56:39.000 So bad.
00:56:40.000 But I can explain this.
00:56:42.000 I can explain this.
00:56:44.000 So it's bad, it's sad, it's awful, but I'll tell you why it's happening.
00:56:50.000 And the answer, of course, as usual, is communism.
00:56:54.000 And so, what I really mean is going on is that, unfortunately, it comes down to this idea that we live in a K shaped economy, and there are some people who are doing really, really well, and some people who are really not.
00:57:10.000 And for a lot of the country that are living below the median income line, You've been living in a recession or a silent recession since 2008, since the financial crisis.
00:57:25.000 And this has caused what specifically?
00:57:27.000 A lack of homeownership.
00:57:29.000 And Charlie, of course, our dear friend, talked about this so many times the lack of homeownership, which creates a lack of family formation.
00:57:37.000 So then, if you have all these people who aren't starting families, who aren't having kids, and they're realizing internally that, hey, I'm missing all these milestones that I'm supposed to be having in my life.
00:57:50.000 You know, maybe they see others who do have those things.
00:57:52.000 They think, I want to almost regress to a time where life felt more simple, where life felt, as Andrew said, kinder and gentler, like when I was a Toys R Us kid.
00:58:06.000 And so they throw themselves into Pokemon cards and Toys R Us and all these other things as collectors, the Funko Pops, et cetera.
00:58:15.000 You mentioned Disney adults, that's another one, Star Wars adults.
00:58:18.000 Obviously, Star Wars is faking gay.
00:58:20.000 And That's where this is coming from, actually.
00:58:24.000 It's because you have millennials and elder millennials, a number of Gen Xs, well, not as many, but you see some Gen Xs do this that have just completely been checked out of these life milestones.
00:58:38.000 And so they do have disposable income in some cases, and that's what they're spending it on rather than kids and houses.
00:58:45.000 I think it definitely is people doing that stuff as an alternative to kids, but I don't know if it's a downwardly mobile thing.
00:58:52.000 I think that actually might invert it, which is we've had.
00:58:56.000 A decline of family, it's yeah, it stinks.
00:58:58.000 Is we've had a decline of the family enough that now it's just utterly dominant how much spending power, like especially leisure spending, consumer spending, uh, that's so heavily linked to people who don't have kids and essentials to spend on.
00:59:14.000 They have a ton of disposable income and they're going to blow it on stuff, and especially due to the same value decay that's causing them to not marry and have kids in the first place, they have almost these very childlike interests and desires.
00:59:28.000 They have never outgrown, I love.
00:59:31.000 Action figures.
00:59:32.000 I love this.
00:59:32.000 It's a mature thing.
00:59:33.000 I love this.
00:59:33.000 And also, we have better manufacturing these days, as an example.
00:59:37.000 And so, it's even easier to target these people.
00:59:39.000 So, let's say you're a kid who liked Star Wars.
00:59:42.000 You're now, maybe you're an adult, you're a computer programmer, you're 40 years old, you make a good amount of money, maybe a six figure income, maybe even high six figures, ton of money to blow.
00:59:51.000 They don't even just get you, oh, I want to buy those kid toys.
00:59:54.000 They could go, here's an amazing set of all the Star Wars toys, and you can get all the collectible toys.
01:00:01.000 They're probably more like adult themed, too.
01:00:02.000 And they're probably, yeah, they're more adult.
01:00:04.000 They're, well, They're higher quality than a kid would probably demand.
01:00:07.000 You'll get the better painting.
01:00:09.000 Maybe they'll have more joints.
01:00:10.000 And again, you can get a whole big set of them.
01:00:13.000 That's the thing that stands out to me.
01:00:15.000 You can really soak people for lots of product.
01:00:18.000 Go ahead, Russ.
01:00:18.000 It's a maturity issue.
01:00:20.000 When you grow up, you're supposed to graduate.
01:00:23.000 Like when you grow up riding a bike.
01:00:26.000 So you start with training wheels.
01:00:28.000 Then you graduate to a bike.
01:00:29.000 Then you get to a certain age and you graduate to a dirt bike.
01:00:32.000 And then you graduate and you get to another certain age and you get a motorcycle.
01:00:37.000 It's about finding toys that.
01:00:39.000 Is a representative of your age group, your class, right?
01:00:46.000 I've found myself, like, even when I was in college, you'd go through Walmart, right?
01:00:51.000 You'd be like, hey, I'm just going to check out what kids have for toys nowadays, right?
01:00:55.000 And you'd be like, you'd see the Legos.
01:00:57.000 And as a Lego kid, as somebody who grew up, I would still buy Legos.
01:01:01.000 Our neighbor gave us this huge bucket of Legos, right?
01:01:05.000 I would walk through and go, man, it's sick to be a kid now.
01:01:09.000 Yeah.
01:01:09.000 Like, you can have Legos that are Marvel, and as a Marvel nerd, I'm like, Yeah, I totally.
01:01:13.000 You're a Marvel nerd?
01:01:14.000 I'd be down for a Spider Man Lego.
01:01:16.000 Yeah, I get it.
01:01:17.000 But, but like now, now we have, like, to his point, we're not creating families.
01:01:24.000 So now we have all this disposable income.
01:01:29.000 And so now it's like, hey, you know what?
01:01:30.000 I'm going to buy that Lego set that I couldn't buy back when I was a kid.
01:01:34.000 And now, but then now that's also now adding to the effect of why toys are now getting more expensive, more expensive, more expensive.
01:01:42.000 Well, it's so perfect.
01:01:43.000 Like, the Lego thing is a perfect example where there's, Legos, they're so much more obviously not meant to be played with by five year olds who just mash their hands together anymore.
01:01:52.000 Instead, it's much more, oh, it's going to be much more based on franchises.
01:01:56.000 Oh, that thing you like.
01:01:57.000 And then it's a puzzle you put together and you display it.
01:01:59.000 You never take it apart.
01:02:00.000 You never mess around with it.
01:02:01.000 Here's the directions.
01:02:02.000 Here's the directions.
01:02:03.000 You must create it the way that it works.
01:02:05.000 And make my own stuff.
01:02:06.000 And that was the best fun.
01:02:07.000 My brother and I got a massive, like, 16 gallon bucket full of Legos from our neighbor that went to college.
01:02:19.000 My brother and I, like every weekend, we'd end up dumping it on the floor, spend an entire day building bases and houses, and then take rocks and chuck at them and destroy it all, and then put it all back in the bucket, and then do that again the next weekend.
01:02:33.000 So, Blake hit on the key here, though, is that you have dinks, disposable income, even not dinks, but you don't have enough money to buy a home or start a family, but you have more money because you don't have kids, so you have money to blow still.
01:02:47.000 So, it's actually like sort of this cut, you get stuck in this in between zone.
01:02:51.000 So, instead of Spending money on useful things or on your kids' toys.
01:02:54.000 You're spending money on your own toys and you still don't have enough to really like retire or build wealth.
01:03:00.000 I don't even know that it's that.
01:03:01.000 I think a lot of these, I think it's just a straight value decision.
01:03:04.000 They think it's actually more fun to buy all of these things and having kids sounds like a drag.
01:03:09.000 There's a lot of having kids stinks propaganda out there.
01:03:12.000 Like they, it's not that they can't afford kids or they'll say it's because they can't afford kids, but it's an excuse in the sense that even if they made a million dollars, it's a cop out.
01:03:22.000 They would need a comical amount of money.
01:03:23.000 By the way, I will tell you that.
01:03:25.000 Mexicans prove that you can have kids without any money.
01:03:27.000 A lot of people.
01:03:28.000 You will never have enough money.
01:03:29.000 It's never a convenient time.
01:03:31.000 You just have to go for the money.
01:03:32.000 A lot of people, when they say we can't afford kids, their definition is I would not believe I could afford kids until I could have a child with absolutely zero sacrifice of any other kind to my entire lifestyle.
01:03:44.000 That's just the value set they hold.
01:03:46.000 And that's a common one and getting more common.
01:03:48.000 It's really bad.
01:03:49.000 And it's more glaring now because so much more of the world is built to cater to these people.
01:03:56.000 So in the past.
01:03:58.000 Family friendly was the way to go, it was the norm in so many things.
01:04:01.000 So now there's way more things that are actually family unfriendly.
01:04:06.000 Yeah, just for adults.
01:04:08.000 You shouldn't go, yeah, only adults are allowed at this thing.
01:04:10.000 This thing is way better if you're an adult.
01:04:12.000 So then as a result, oh, it feels like I'm giving up more stuff if I were to have kids.
01:04:18.000 That's also where something like Pokemon cards have blown up, right?
01:04:23.000 It's become huge.
01:04:25.000 That's one where it's like, on one end, I'm like, guys, this is a part, the Pokemon revolution or whatever you want to call it is a part of this.
01:04:34.000 But I will also give the caveat that the dads who were Pokemon fans and have kids and have gotten their kids into Pokemon so that they're now doing it with their kid, that's where I think, and that's the point of toys.
01:04:53.000 It's for parents to play with their kid or the kid to play with other kids.
01:04:59.000 And we should work Jack in here because I know he was really passionate about this topic.
01:05:03.000 Unfortunately, Jack is at a mass and he's.
01:05:05.000 You know, the feed is delayed.
01:05:07.000 So, Jack, jump in here.
01:05:08.000 But, you know, another thing occurs to me is when we were kids, remember like Golden Girls and stuff?
01:05:13.000 They actually let their hair be in a bob.
01:05:15.000 It was like they let themselves look old.
01:05:18.000 But as the years have gone by, like older people want to stay young.
01:05:22.000 And I think that same spirit is affecting us into our adulthood where we want to sort of not grow up and not, you know, just assume the mantle of adulthood.
01:05:32.000 I don't know.
01:05:33.000 That strikes me as something that might be playing into this.
01:05:35.000 Jack Posobic, your thoughts.
01:05:37.000 Man, no, that's such a good topic to ping off of as well.
01:05:42.000 And I mean, I couldn't agree more.
01:05:46.000 It's like we can't allow ourselves to be older anymore.
01:05:51.000 It's like we don't want to grow up.
01:05:52.000 Nobody wants to grow up.
01:05:54.000 Nobody wants to, because it's also taking off responsibility.
01:05:57.000 The thing that I do want to bring it back to, though, and I'm going to keep bringing it back to, is the economy and is the fact that, look, I mean, guys, we know the midterms are going to be what they are in a couple of weeks here.
01:06:09.000 And we know what the headwinds are.
01:06:11.000 And so much of this is economically driven.
01:06:13.000 And I think so much of what's happening in culture is also downstream of the economy.
01:06:19.000 And it's downstream of these tough economic times that we find ourselves in.
01:06:24.000 In the same way, by the way, that so much of the loss of morality and God in the public square in the 1960s was because there was so much of an abundance of the economy where people were sort of like they had it too well.
01:06:40.000 They didn't feel any of those pressures at all.
01:06:42.000 And so suddenly it was like, hey, go do whatever you want.
01:06:45.000 Go have sex with whoever you want.
01:06:47.000 Go smoke whatever you want.
01:06:49.000 And it just became this huge, basically, the free love movement of the 1960s, huge cultural revolution.
01:06:57.000 And that's what, coming back to Fulton Sheen, that's what he was warning about.
01:07:01.000 And the idea then that you would have these adolescents who, what do they call it, perpetual adolescents, right?
01:07:13.000 Never actually, you know, this is where you get to the problems of, you know, you hear these like parents doing free range kids, or I let my kids parent themselves and I don't tell them to not, you know, pick up after themselves and I let them do what they want and I'm not going to send them to school and all this.
01:07:28.000 And it's this is what happens when you have a society without standards.
01:07:32.000 And yes, that means standards for ourselves individually as well as when we get older and all the rest of it.
01:07:40.000 Yeah, are there things that I love enjoying with my kids?
01:07:43.000 That I enjoyed when I was a kid, 100%.
01:07:45.000 There's no question about it.
01:07:47.000 We're actually watching Animaniacs right now.
01:07:50.000 It's like my kids love it.
01:07:51.000 They love watching Animaniacs.
01:07:52.000 We like watching Scooby Doo.
01:07:54.000 You know, we just find stuff that we liked from when we were younger.
01:07:58.000 That's great.
01:07:59.000 My son is, I'll give him a shout out here.
01:08:02.000 He's working on doing the entire Yakko's Nations of the World song for his upcoming school talent show at grade three.
01:08:11.000 He currently has the entire song memorized.
01:08:14.000 There's just a couple like country pronunciations we're working on.
01:08:18.000 And so it's just a great thing.
01:08:20.000 And it goes to show you how good some of those things used to be.
01:08:23.000 But the problem is, is that when you get older, you should want to, To have those things, you should want to get married.
01:08:31.000 You should want to have kids.
01:08:32.000 You should want to own a home and all of this.
01:08:34.000 And the problem, I think, though, is that these people deep down actually do want those things as well.
01:08:42.000 And either one, they're having trouble getting them, or number two, they're getting distracted by so many other glittering things out there.
01:08:49.000 Kind of reminds me of that one story we covered where the 40 year old women were throwing themselves these lavish weddings for themselves.
01:08:57.000 Yeah.
01:08:58.000 It's like, oh, gosh.
01:08:59.000 Yeah.
01:09:00.000 Yes.
01:09:00.000 Yes.
01:09:01.000 Yes.
01:09:02.000 It's like they deep down want them, but they want them on their terms.
01:09:06.000 And if they can't have them, then, you know, like it's, you know, you get what I'm saying?
01:09:10.000 It's almost like they're trying to reclaim something or without the responsibility.
01:09:17.000 I don't know.
01:09:18.000 There's something there, but it's basically kind of what we're getting around this prolonged adolescence, this arrested development.
01:09:24.000 And it also doesn't help that we have a broken system when it comes to the family unit right now.
01:09:31.000 Yeah.
01:09:31.000 Because we've got more single moms.
01:09:33.000 We've got more broken families, and so that's not helping either.
01:09:38.000 Yeah, I agree.
01:09:40.000 Yeah.
01:09:41.000 Should we hit the Paramount deal?
01:09:42.000 Yeah, if you want, we can do it real quick.
01:09:44.000 Real quick.
01:09:44.000 We're getting tight on time here.
01:09:46.000 Yeah, of course we are.
01:09:46.000 Of course we are.
01:09:47.000 But we can hit it because Paramount, of course, is buying everything at WB, and it's a gigantic deal, but it's gotten so big that they are apparently trying to recruit Elon Musk as a potential co investor in the spy out.
01:10:01.000 Which is amazing.
01:10:02.000 Which would be amazing in a few ways.
01:10:03.000 He wouldn't have full control over it.
01:10:05.000 But remember, this is going to give them control over CNN.
01:10:08.000 Among other things, CNN.
01:10:11.000 Jake Tappa.
01:10:12.000 And they've done a lot of articles hostile to CNN.
01:10:16.000 Yeah, that would be really fascinating.
01:10:18.000 They would definitely have some.
01:10:19.000 Listen, you know what's crazy is that these people are already threatening to leave.
01:10:23.000 Oh, no.
01:10:24.000 Yeah, I know.
01:10:25.000 What's the gal that goes with Scott Galloway?
01:10:27.000 I don't watch CNN.
01:10:29.000 No, no, no.
01:10:29.000 My license plate, I have to stick by a principle here.
01:10:32.000 Hold on.
01:10:32.000 What is your license plate?
01:10:33.000 My license plate is CNN Sucks.
01:10:35.000 Did you not know that?
01:10:35.000 No, I've never seen you drive a car.
01:10:37.000 Oh, that's true.
01:10:38.000 I walked across.
01:10:38.000 Yes.
01:10:39.000 Kara Swisher.
01:10:39.000 For those who do not know, my license plate is literally CNN sucks.
01:10:42.000 I've literally never seen you drive a car.
01:10:43.000 It's amazing.
01:10:44.000 Yeah, he has CNN sucks.
01:10:45.000 It's great.
01:10:46.000 I got it in Virginia and I got it in Arizona.
01:10:47.000 Thank you, Oliver Darcy.
01:10:49.000 Up yours.
01:10:50.000 It actually, believe it or not, I had that license plate before the CNN docs.
01:10:54.000 But then it just became even better.
01:10:55.000 It was well true.
01:10:56.000 Maybe that's why he did it.
01:10:58.000 Yeah, Kara Swisher is already saying she's going to quit from CNN.
01:11:03.000 I think she's a contributor.
01:11:04.000 But anyway, she's going to quit if this merger goes through.
01:11:08.000 Wait, Blake.
01:11:08.000 Yeah.
01:11:09.000 Or no, I'm wait, wait, wait.
01:11:10.000 No, actually, correction.
01:11:11.000 This is more of a Russ thing, Russ.
01:11:12.000 I just realized if Elon gets control of Paramount, that means he gets control of WB.
01:11:20.000 And if he gets control of WB, that means fire James Gunn again, fire James Gunn again.
01:11:29.000 Yeah, he's Caboose.
01:11:30.000 He is destroying the DC brand.
01:11:33.000 All right, Caboose, chime in.
01:11:35.000 Currently, good.
01:11:35.000 He is no, no, no, bad.
01:11:38.000 Currently, he has been destroying.
01:11:42.000 Green Lantern.
01:11:42.000 Good.
01:11:43.000 To the point that it's.
01:11:44.000 I never liked Green Lantern.
01:11:45.000 Oh, I like Green Lantern.
01:11:46.000 Green Lantern is a great example of it.
01:11:48.000 Caboose.
01:11:48.000 All of it.
01:11:49.000 All of it.
01:11:50.000 No.
01:11:50.000 Superman, Supergirl, Green Lantern, Batman, all of it.
01:11:55.000 All of it.
01:11:55.000 But currently, he is destroying Green Lantern.
01:11:57.000 Here's my problem.
01:11:57.000 I don't know the DC catalog.
01:12:00.000 No, even Looney Tunes.
01:12:02.000 The last Looney Tunes movie was awful.
01:12:04.000 The Looney Tunes movie was so bad.
01:12:06.000 Well, also, the Looney Tunes had a movie?
01:12:09.000 Yeah, they also did a Space Jam.
01:12:11.000 Even the Space Jam 2 movie with LeBron sucked.
01:12:14.000 The Space Jam was awful.
01:12:16.000 All right.
01:12:16.000 Caboose?
01:12:17.000 So, for folks who don't know, that when.
01:12:19.000 Oh, go ahead.
01:12:21.000 I was going to call in Caboose because I know he's got a thought here.
01:12:23.000 Caboose, is this the real reason that Elon needs to come in?
01:12:28.000 Do we have any indication that Elon doesn't like James Gunn?
01:12:31.000 Personally, I don't think Elon needs to step in.
01:12:34.000 I think either way, just Warner Brothers, Paramount, the deal needs to happen.
01:12:40.000 You got a lot of people's jobs on the line, which Mark Ruffalo is trying to get a bunch of people to lose their jobs for the sake of pandering to the left.
01:12:49.000 True.
01:12:51.000 I think, in terms of James Gunn, he's going to lose his job either way.
01:12:55.000 The dude's not making money for that.
01:12:57.000 He's hemorrhaging money right now.
01:12:58.000 But will he be catapulted into a.
01:13:02.000 Volcano, perhaps.
01:13:03.000 No, but I we could work so we could try to work something.
01:13:07.000 What I will say, Elon Musk getting a big personal stake in WB would excite me in that I think it's an opportunity for us.
01:13:19.000 I feel like so much reason we don't get good content is we kind of just need a billionaire who cares enough about like, he's gonna grok it all though.
01:13:25.000 Yeah, he might.
01:13:25.000 That's the problem.
01:13:26.000 These guys will be like, let's make an AI movie, it'll make an AI odyssey he said he was gonna make.
01:13:30.000 Terrible, but like, I just kind of wish.
01:13:34.000 You think a movie's expensive to make, but when you're at these, he's worth a trillion dollars.
01:13:38.000 They're like not that expensive to make.
01:13:40.000 He could trivially allocate $500 million a year to make like one or like make five really awesome, cool historical movies, dramatic ones, like new adaptations of properties that everyone has said get it.
01:13:55.000 And you give him $100 million such that you'll release it.
01:13:58.000 And if it makes money, that's great, but it at least keeps it so it will not be a total bomb.
01:14:03.000 He just needs to bankroll Mel Gibson.
01:14:05.000 At this point, is what he needs to do.
01:14:07.000 So, you know what's interesting to me about this deal, though?
01:14:10.000 Okay, Jack.
01:14:11.000 Go ahead.
01:14:11.000 Go ahead, Jack.
01:14:12.000 No, I just want to tell, by the way, the reason I'm saying this again is because the folks who don't know the backstory that James Gunn, after he had been the creator of, not creator, but like the guy who did the movie of Guardians of the Galaxy, who's doing a bunch of other stuff for Disney on the Marvel side, that in 2018, he was fired by Disney, number one, because of going after.
01:14:35.000 Uh, Trump supporters, but then number two, me and Mike Cernovich dug up all of James Gunn's old tweets where he was making horrific jokes, quote unquote, jokes about pedophilia, about child rape.
01:14:50.000 Oh, I remember this.
01:14:52.000 Um, yeah, things that would happen on his sets.
01:14:55.000 And so it was actually, yeah, it was like, like me and Cernovich just dug up like his old blog and like all these tweets, and that's why he got fired in the first line.
01:15:04.000 In fact, I just looked it up in Grok and it says, yeah, it says right here.
01:15:07.000 The posts were unearthed and amplified by conservative commentators and outlets such as Mike Chernovich and Jack Posobick after Gunn, a vocal critic of then President Trump, engaged in political arguments with them on Twitter.
01:15:21.000 That's fun.
01:15:23.000 So that's one interesting aspect of this.
01:15:26.000 So you got the CNN aspect, you got, I guess, DC.
01:15:30.000 But what's also interesting is that they're trying to move Paramount out of Los Angeles.
01:15:36.000 It's also true.
01:15:38.000 Which basically is like the death knell for it's the beginning of the end.
01:15:42.000 The beginning of the end because they're moving a bunch of these projects are already moving from LA to like Atlanta or Nashville.
01:15:51.000 It's crazy.
01:15:52.000 I mean, this could be the great exodus, the beginning of the great exodus of the studio system out of LA.
01:15:57.000 Do you think that because Paramount is moving out of LA, it makes it more tantalizing to Musk to try to work out something?
01:16:12.000 I would say so.
01:16:13.000 Yeah, like American Idol is moving its production out of Los Angeles after 25 years, relocating to Atlanta, Georgia.
01:16:20.000 The Mass Singer moved its production from Los Angeles to New Jersey earlier this year.
01:16:25.000 Paramount, David Ellison's Paramount recently floated plans to move operations out of California, amid an antitrust battle.
01:16:32.000 With Bonta, so which is the attorney general of California.
01:16:35.000 So Bonta is trying to get in there, block this deal, but it's backfiring on a big deal.
01:16:40.000 So, wait, you used to work in Hollywood show business, what have you.
01:16:44.000 What does it substantively mean if a studio is just going to move all the way across the country?
01:16:49.000 Because, like, the studio doesn't move with it, or does it?
01:16:53.000 Would all these people move?
01:16:54.000 Would we get, yeah, I mean, there's corporate offices, certainly.
01:16:56.000 I mean, it's interesting to see what would happen if it was like, you know, you got accounting, you've got all that, like, boring stuff that every corporation has, right?
01:17:06.000 Um, But really, the question is the decision makers, right?
01:17:10.000 The guys that are green lighting deals, would that move out of LA?
01:17:13.000 Because then you still have, there's a whole ecosystem that's there, right?
01:17:17.000 You've got the agents, and they could just go down the road to develop people.
01:17:21.000 You can have meetings with actors, with directors.
01:17:24.000 That's why it's all in LA, is because while you're developing projects, you're just constantly meeting with all these different players to see what can happen.
01:17:33.000 But you got Zoom now, everybody's got airplanes, you know, if you really need to meet face to face.
01:17:39.000 So, I don't know that there's.
01:17:41.000 The question is production, physical production.
01:17:43.000 Deal making is one thing, physical production has moved out of LA a long time ago.
01:17:47.000 Yeah, I was going to say Atlanta has turned into a giant hub for that.
01:17:50.000 Yeah.
01:17:52.000 But you still had the studios, right?
01:17:54.000 So, they're still filming things like American Idol, The Voice, Survivor.
01:17:59.000 All these things have big production facilities where you go to the lot.
01:18:02.000 And I've been to them, where you go into the lot and they have a big.
01:18:05.000 The studio is just basically a big old open, looks like an airplane carrier.
01:18:09.000 It's huge.
01:18:11.000 And then you film it there.
01:18:12.000 And then you've got the union guys and you've got all this.
01:18:14.000 But the problem is that the prices have shot up over the years extremely high.
01:18:20.000 And then you've got competition in places like Atlanta that are building massive studio venues, right?
01:18:24.000 So you have the space.
01:18:25.000 It's probably cheaper.
01:18:26.000 And then they give you these tax credits.
01:18:28.000 So I don't really know what the benefit is of having physical production in LA anymore.
01:18:33.000 The reason that physical production was in Los Angeles to begin with was that it had.
01:18:39.000 This is actually a true story.
01:18:40.000 When Hollywood was starting out, they had.
01:18:43.000 The ability to shoot in mountains, desert, tropical looking scenery, beaches.
01:18:48.000 You had all the different looks and features.
01:18:51.000 Now you can do all of that with a green screen.
01:18:53.000 Yeah, you can do exactly.
01:18:54.000 Why go outside?
01:18:55.000 And the other reason that it started in LA is because of the weather, actually, because so much of it was outside, they had to be able to have predictable weather and predictable rain patterns.
01:19:05.000 So that was a big thing just for production, like just keeping cameras dry and film dry and things like that.
01:19:10.000 But all of this stuff has gradually become less important.
01:19:13.000 So, I don't really know what the point of it is.
01:19:14.000 You know what, my favorite reason, though, that it went to California, besides all that, is that Edison, Thomas Edison's motion picture, he had the patent on the motion picture camera, and they were huge jerks about enforcing the patent on it.
01:19:28.000 And they thought, this is when you had to get places by train, they're just like, it was hard for his agents to enforce his patent way out in California.
01:19:37.000 So they moved, because he was in New Jersey, of course, Menlo Park.
01:19:40.000 And they just moved all the way across the country where it was difficult for the patent guys to get them.
01:19:45.000 But then, What happened was then you got into the studio system where an actor and a director and screenwriters would all sign deals with the studios, right?
01:19:53.000 So, you have that's, and they still kind of have that.
01:19:55.000 It's called a first look deal, where if you come up with a project, you have to first look.
01:20:00.000 And what the studios do is they essentially give you a retainer.
01:20:03.000 So, you're funding your people, development, and all this stuff on an ongoing basis.
01:20:08.000 And they get the first right to buy your ideas, your IP.
01:20:12.000 But back in those days, if you were an actor that signed with Warner Brothers or Paramount, then you had to basically act in Paramount's pictures.
01:20:20.000 You could only act in Warner Brothers' pictures.
01:20:21.000 So, again, you had to be present in Los Angeles because all of it was filming all the time in LA, and you just had to be there.
01:20:28.000 That's why Hollywood became such a magnet and such a center of gravity for the whole industry.
01:20:34.000 So, part of this, too, American Idol has just announced that it's leaving LA.
01:20:38.000 American Idol still exists?
01:20:40.000 Yes.
01:20:41.000 Yes.
01:20:41.000 Yes.
01:20:42.000 Yes.
01:20:42.000 The mass singer, I just read this.
01:20:44.000 Yeah.
01:20:44.000 Apparently, the TV production activity in the LA region was down 27% in the second quarter compared to the last year.
01:20:51.000 It's not just that.
01:20:52.000 It's commercials, all this stuff.
01:20:54.000 Because remember, the first thing that sucked all the business out of LA was Vancouver.
01:20:58.000 Oh, yeah.
01:20:58.000 Connect Canada.
01:20:59.000 Yeah.
01:21:00.000 And that was like a quick.
01:21:01.000 Plane fight up the coast, right?
01:21:03.000 So Atlanta's a little farther.
01:21:04.000 New York had some production, of course, but that was the first thing.
01:21:07.000 Then Atlanta came on board.
01:21:08.000 I remember a big, yeah, before Atlanta, I remember like every movie in the early 2000s, they would use Toronto as this discount, New York.
01:21:14.000 So you have all these action scenes in New York, and people would be like, that is clearly Toronto.
01:21:19.000 Originally, they were using downtown LA as the discount.
01:21:21.000 Blake, Blake, Blake.
01:21:22.000 Dark Knight used Detroit.
01:21:24.000 Like all three blocks of it.
01:21:25.000 I think I used Chicago, actually.
01:21:26.000 Oh, okay.
01:21:27.000 Chicago.
01:21:28.000 I thought Dark, Dark Knight, I thought Dark, they had some of Pittsburgh too, actually.
01:21:31.000 No, Blake, I was going to say, this last season of, um, The one show, even though the guy is a massive libtard, the one show that we will still watch is Reacher.
01:21:41.000 And so this last season was set in Philadelphia.
01:21:46.000 And I was telling Russ about it that it's set in Philly, but it's very obviously Toronto.
01:21:52.000 And so they split between, like, oh, now we're in New York, or excuse me, now we're in Washington, now we're in Baltimore, now we're back in Philly all throughout the season.
01:21:59.000 But it's very obviously the same city over and over.
01:22:03.000 And they make some really ridiculous mistakes.
01:22:05.000 Like they refer to the train station in Philadelphia as Penn Station, even though the Philly train station is 30th Street Station, Penn Station is New York.
01:22:15.000 But it's like very clearly just Toronto.
01:22:18.000 They just kind of like change the logo that's on the police car or whatever.
01:22:21.000 It's hilarious.
01:22:23.000 Yeah.
01:22:23.000 Well, that's been happening for years, but it's just keep production expenses.
01:22:26.000 I've always wondered because of Texas's large, like private land, like it's a lot of private land.
01:22:33.000 Why do you think?
01:22:36.000 That Texas hasn't turned into kind of a production.
01:22:40.000 Well, they tried.
01:22:41.000 I mean, there were a bunch of states that offered tax incentives, like New Mexico has them.
01:22:46.000 What's that?
01:22:48.000 Too many H1Bs.
01:22:51.000 Well, the other thing about Texas is it just doesn't have a lot of like land variability.
01:22:55.000 Actually, you've got like forest, flat forest, you've got flat desert, basically.
01:23:00.000 What made California so good is literally you get that radical change in climate.
01:23:04.000 You can drive two hours and you go from the coast to Yosemite.
01:23:08.000 True.
01:23:08.000 Yeah.
01:23:08.000 Well, and you could have snow, you could have desert, you could have mountains, you could have Joshua Tree.
01:23:13.000 You know, it just has everything in California.
01:23:16.000 But the point is, none of that really matters.
01:23:18.000 But there was a bunch of states that did tax incentives.
01:23:20.000 Like New Mexico had a tax incentive.
01:23:21.000 I think Texas had a tax incentive.
01:23:24.000 But there was a bunch of like random ones, too.
01:23:28.000 It just, what happened with Atlanta is it just, they built like even the guys that will.
01:23:35.000 So for where we filmed our.
01:23:37.000 Our Super Bowl, our halftime show.
01:23:39.000 Yeah, Jack and I were there.
01:23:40.000 Was at those big, huge facilities out there.
01:23:42.000 That's where Superman was done.
01:23:44.000 Chick fil A guys built a big studio system out there.
01:23:47.000 So all of a sudden there was infrastructure.
01:23:49.000 And then once you kind of gather all those people and you have a tipping point almost where there's enough industry draw there, people just move there.
01:23:58.000 And then you've got skilled artisans and craftsmen and filmmakers.
01:24:03.000 What's interesting, though, about that is that Georgia is now blue.
01:24:06.000 So that's at least quasi blue.
01:24:09.000 That's what happens when you bring a bunch of blue.
01:24:11.000 This happens a lot.
01:24:12.000 Texas might do that.
01:24:13.000 They'll just do it with tech.
01:24:14.000 Oh, probably.
01:24:16.000 Tech in Mexico.
01:24:16.000 I don't think it's going to be tech that turns Texas blue.
01:24:19.000 Or Indians.
01:24:20.000 People always want to blame the Indians.
01:24:21.000 Guys, there's a very obvious reason Texas has become a blue state.
01:24:25.000 It is because it is now a plurality Mexican state.
01:24:27.000 That's what I just said.
01:24:28.000 I said Mexican.
01:24:31.000 Exactly.
01:24:33.000 Well, that's a fun place to.
01:24:35.000 Why do we have Prince Caspian?
01:24:36.000 Is that Warner Bros. Chronicles of Narnia?
01:24:39.000 Anyways, all right.
01:24:40.000 That wraps us up.
01:24:41.000 That's Netflix.
01:24:42.000 Yeah, that would be wrong.
01:24:43.000 Totally wrong.
01:24:44.000 Totally wrong, guys.
01:24:46.000 Jack, why don't you take us home and, you know, one last word to the blessed Sheen.
01:24:52.000 Yeah, guys, check them out.
01:24:54.000 You know, Fulton Sheen has great stuff out there.
01:24:56.000 You can go and find his reels all over the place, super viral, and dig deeper.
01:25:02.000 Dig deeper to find out what he was all about and use this as a way to further your relationship with the Lord.
01:25:08.000 Use it to further your relationships in reality and further your relationships with one another and your relationship, of course, with God.
01:25:16.000 And as always, go out there and commit more thought crime.
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