The Charlie Kirk Show - Tony Fauci's Big Lie with Kari Lake

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00:00:00.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk show, we look back in time.

00:00:02.000 Why was it they needed to lie about where the virus came from? 1.00

00:00:07.000 And then Carrie Lake joins us for the latest on her legal challenge. 1.00

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00:01:07.000 Back in February of 2020, just about three years ago, three years ago, boy, I remember where I was, and Andrew and I were reminiscing on a moment in time.

00:01:19.000 I could write an essay, if not a short book, on what could be called the Last Supper of Mar-a-Lago.

00:01:27.000 But you can actually dig up the exact date.

00:01:30.000 I do remember it was late February and early March.

00:01:32.000 We were on tour for my book, The MAGA Doctrine, New York Times bestseller, almost New York Times number one.

00:01:40.000 We got so close.

00:01:41.000 Amazon number one bestseller.

00:01:43.000 We were traveling the country, having a great time.

00:01:45.000 We were doing events all across Florida.

00:01:47.000 We were doing events at Liberty University.

00:01:50.000 And the news of COVID started to bubble up more and more and more.

00:01:55.000 We didn't really know what to make of it.

00:01:57.000 Hypochondriacs in our life were really freaking out, and people were saying, oh, it's nothing.

00:02:01.000 It's just a cold.

00:02:01.000 It's just a flu.

00:02:02.000 We've been through this before.

00:02:04.000 And we were concluding our book tour at Mar-a-Lago.

00:02:07.000 What better place to conclude a book tour on the MAGA doctrine than at Mar-a-Lago?

00:02:16.000 And when we get there, it was as if it was a great Gatsby party.

00:02:20.000 The energy was off the charts.

00:02:22.000 And there were five or six different high-stakes things happening simultaneously when we came into Mar-a-Lago.

00:02:31.000 President Trump was literally meeting with Jair Bolsenaro talking about big trade deals and negotiating partnerships.

00:02:41.000 Mike Pence was there meeting with some people.

00:02:43.000 Jared Kushner and Ivanka were meeting with some people.

00:02:45.000 Tucker Carlson was there just to go meet with Donald Trump to warn him about COVID.

00:02:50.000 Kimberly Guilfoyle's birthday party was happening.

00:02:53.000 And then we were there.

00:02:54.000 It was a circus, but in a good way.

00:02:56.000 And the energy was off the charts.

00:02:59.000 The attitude that night in late February, 2020, was that Trump could not lose.

00:03:06.000 There was nothing that could happen.

00:03:08.000 The economy was roaring.

00:03:10.000 Morale was up.

00:03:11.000 We were going to run up against this Biden guy.

00:03:13.000 It was a joke.

00:03:14.000 There was an aura of invincibility.

00:03:19.000 The election was eight or nine months out.

00:03:22.000 There was almost an attitude of what are they going to throw at the bulletproof Teflon Trump now.

00:03:28.000 And yet there was that little whisper of, what's this virus?

00:03:33.000 What's this?

00:03:34.000 What's this thing?

00:03:35.000 And it was very interesting when Pence left the evening early and he didn't seem too happy.

00:03:41.000 Pence left.

00:03:42.000 And remember, Pence was tasked with looking into the virus and was actually in charge of the virus response.

00:03:48.000 And he kind of left.

00:03:49.000 And you could read something into it, but did he know something about it?

00:03:52.000 Maybe, maybe not.

00:03:54.000 All while this was happening, Donald Trump and his administration did not know that Anthony Fauci was working in the shadows to cover up the origins of this virus.

00:04:08.000 While Donald Trump was negotiating deals with Bolsinaro, while Donald Trump was overseeing an amazing economy, while his political stock was at a record high, Anthony Fauci was hard at work.

00:04:24.000 The deep state was beginning, not just beginning, they were in the midst of a major cover-up.

00:04:32.000 On February 1st, 2020, Fauci and at least a dozen other scientists held a conference call about the virus, which hadn't even been given a name yet.

00:04:41.000 On the call, they were just called it was termed a novel coronavirus, likely leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

00:04:48.000 So on February 1st, they were given information that the origin of the virus likely came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

00:04:57.000 It wasn't proven, but they knew from that moment that it was a very valid theory with legitimate evidence to back it up.

00:05:03.000 The immediate response from Fauci, though, according to new emails that have just been discovered by the House Republicans, the immediate reaction by Anthony Fauci was not, let's better understand the virus.

00:05:17.000 Let's not look at therapeutics.

00:05:19.000 No, they spent a valuable month of time that could have been getting America prepared for this virus.

00:05:30.000 They spent a valuable month covering up the truth.

00:05:35.000 Three days after the call, four of the scientists who were on it had drafted a whole scientific paper arguing that it actually had emerged in nature from a bat, a preposterous theory, but it was a very important one.

00:05:50.000 According to the emails obtained by House Republicans, this paper was sent to Fauci for editing before release.

00:05:57.000 And it was published in mid-February 2020, February 17th.

00:06:02.000 Specifically, co-author Dr. Kristen Anderson says he was prompted to write the paper by Fauci himself.

00:06:11.000 According to more emails that House Republicans have found, two months after the paper was written, NIH director Francis Collins sent Fauci a message complaining the paper hadn't done, quote, enough to debunk the lab leak theory.

00:06:24.000 Let me pause.

00:06:26.000 Francis Collins parades and calls himself a Christian.

00:06:29.000 Some pastors say, oh, I love Francis Collins.

00:06:32.000 We get emails from people saying Francis Collins is great.

00:06:34.000 This guy was engaged in one of the most immoral, deceitful cover-ups of the truth of the modern era.

00:06:41.000 He has a lot of explaining to do.

00:06:43.000 What a shameful excuse for a Christian Francis Collins is for what he did here. 1.00

00:06:48.000 He said to Fauci that they hadn't done enough to debunk the lab leak theory.

00:06:54.000 Evil.

00:06:54.000 That is an evil thing to do.

00:06:57.000 So the next day, Fauci went to the press, cited the paper heavily while trying to suggest the paper had nothing to do with him.

00:07:03.000 Now, there's a couple reasons here, but let me read the quote from the paper.

00:07:08.000 Quote, there was a study recently that we can make available to you where a group of highly qualified evolutionary virologists look at the sequences in bats as they evolve and the mutations that it took to get to the point where it was now totally consistent with the jump of species from an animal to a human.

00:07:26.000 This very same playbook was used six months later, I'm sorry, nine months later to cover up the Hunter Biden laptop story and cover Russian disinformation.

00:07:36.000 The same playbook.

00:07:39.000 They saw something they didn't like and they got a bunch of experts to put their credibility on the line.

00:07:45.000 They use the same template.

00:07:47.000 They got a bunch of virologists.

00:07:49.000 They got a bunch of former national security folks and they sign a letter and they say, Well, the Hunter Biden laptop looks like classic Russian disinformation and Politico runs the story and they censor you on social media.

00:08:01.000 The same template of these thought-terminating, not just clichés, but thought-terminating actions was used.

00:08:13.000 Ask yourself, why was Fauci so motivated to spend U.S. taxpayer money to spread misinformation and cover up the truth about the origin of the virus?

00:08:23.000 And the answer is very clear.

00:08:27.000 First, because he knew he was vulnerable if we took a closer look at the Wuhan Lab Institute of Virology.

00:08:36.000 Even if he didn't know that the virus came from there, he knew that a close look could discover the U.S. funding gain of function research.

00:08:43.000 It was about protecting himself, but it's deeper than that.

00:08:46.000 I'm going to tell you the second wrinkle in a second.

00:08:48.000 Fauci was willing to lie to the American people, use valuable time that could have saved people's lives, potentially endanger millions of people, all to help himself.

00:09:00.000 And Francis Collins was in on it, and Rochelle Walensky was in on it, and Deborah Burks was in on it.

00:09:07.000 And now we have breaking news this morning.

00:09:09.000 According to a source inside of CNN who spoke to Fox, then President Jeff Zucker told CNN not to investigate the lab leak hypothesis because he said it was a Trump talking point.

00:09:23.000 Even though Trump was totally correct, it was all the biggest sham, the narrative industrial complex we could imagine.

00:09:30.000 You supposedly have the worst pandemic in a century with millions of people's lives on the line, but you refuse to investigate stories of where they come from.

00:09:38.000 Why?

00:09:39.000 Yes, because Fauci's hands are dirty with the funding and the connection via EcoHealth Alliance and Peter Dask, but it's actually politically much more simple than that.

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00:12:29.000 Why did Fauci and Burks and Collins find it to be so critical in February and March of 2020 to lie about the origin of the virus?

00:12:40.000 Yes, the Wuhan Institute of Virology is part of it, but no, no, no, no.

00:12:44.000 It's actually, it's right there.

00:12:45.000 It's so simple.

00:12:47.000 Remember Donald Trump's original reaction to this?

00:12:50.000 He called it the China virus, of which I could take some credit because he actually quote-tweeted one of my tweets and retweeted it.

00:12:57.000 And from there, we're off to the races on the China virus.

00:13:01.000 I remember I was sitting in the airport, the Tallahassee airport, when I sent out that tweet.

00:13:06.000 And even Bloomberg and many other journalists credited our tweet with changing that.

00:13:13.000 But obviously, Donald Trump popularized it.

00:13:15.000 But it's so simple.

00:13:18.000 If the virus came out of nature and was quote unquote an act of God, then it does not build domestic strength or political agreement to hold China accountable, which would have given an advantage to Trump politically in 2020.

00:13:36.000 They needed to sow confusion.

00:13:41.000 They needed to make people confused and unclear regarding the origins of the virus.

00:13:51.000 Remember, Trump had just beaten up on China economically.

00:13:54.000 Trump was well known for dealing with China with a heavy hand, whether it be tariffs for solar panels, tariffs for all sorts of other domestic imports.

00:14:05.000 If Fauci and Collins would have come out and said this probably came from a Chinese Institute of Virology, Donald Trump would have been able to use COVID and the response to COVID to build political support.

00:14:23.000 They were freaking out because the only way to prevent Donald Trump from using this crisis as a way to actually get more popular was to say, no, no, no, no, it actually just came from an act of nature.

00:14:37.000 It was not from the CCP.

00:14:39.000 Remember, Donald Trump restricted travel from China and they called him xenophobic.

00:14:44.000 They were hugging people for Chinese New Year on the streets of San Francisco.

00:14:51.000 They were deathly afraid that Donald Trump would actually use this as a rallying cry to get stronger against China, which would have actually improved his political strength in 2020.

00:15:05.000 This is why the media had to react like this, play cut 23.

00:15:10.000 Tom Cotton a couple of days ago spouting a conspiracy theory that the Chinese made this virus up.

00:15:17.000 We know that it's been debunked that this virus was man-made or modified or anything like that.

00:15:22.000 Both scientists and the U.S. intelligence community agree that this coronavirus was not man-made.

00:15:28.000 That is not a possibility.

00:15:29.000 Conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh with zero proof suggesting a Chinese bioweapon lab is to blame.

00:15:35.000 And yet this week, Donald Trump is still pushing the debunked bunkum.

00:15:39.000 The virus was not man-made.

00:15:42.000 Debunked conspiracy theory.

00:15:45.000 They needed to do this because if Donald Trump and the Trump 2020 presidential campaign would have been able to say the CCP I've been warning you against just launched a killer virus on our people that is killing our citizens.

00:16:01.000 And now here's what we're going to do about it.

00:16:04.000 His agenda of America first would have fit perfectly.

00:16:07.000 It was hand in glove.

00:16:09.000 It was waiting to happen.

00:16:10.000 And Fauci knew it.

00:16:12.000 And Collins knew it.

00:16:13.000 And the regime knew it.

00:16:15.000 And they said, look, we're going to be able to get mail-in ballots and we're going to be able to get blue state bailouts and we're going to be able to spend trillions of dollars.

00:16:22.000 We're going to be able to lock down the economy.

00:16:24.000 We're going to be able to get the tech companies more powerful.

00:16:26.000 We're going to be able to get the pharmaceutical companies richer.

00:16:29.000 But the one thing that is an issue is if Donald Trump is able to grow a nationalist response to the CCP virus.

00:16:41.000 So they needed to muddy the waters.

00:16:43.000 They needed to make it unclear.

00:16:44.000 They needed to make it seem as if, well, we're not really sure where the virus came from because that weakened and disempowered Trump's greatest political weapon, which is a restoration of national sovereignty and a revitalization of American strength.

00:17:01.000 They saw this virus as an opportunity for all the most sinister reforms we've seen the last couple of years that has made us poor, that has kept our borders open, all this sort of stuff.

00:17:10.000 But the one ingredient they needed to try to muddy was where the virus actually originated.

00:17:16.000 If it came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which it did, it allowed Donald Trump a window to rally national domestic support to hold China, not just accountable, but justice against the CCP.

00:17:34.000 That's why this lie mattered.

00:17:36.000 And that's why they don't really care that it's coming out anymore.

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00:18:34.000 Joining us now is the winner of the vice presidential aspect of the straw poll from CPAC, Kerry Lake.

00:18:41.000 Carrie, welcome back to the program.

00:18:43.000 It's good to see you, Charlie.

00:18:45.000 I'm doing well.

00:18:45.000 How are you doing?

00:18:46.000 So let's talk about the big news about the Arizona Supreme Court.

00:18:46.000 Thank you.

00:18:50.000 Walk us through it.

00:18:52.000 Well, we filed our case with the Supreme Court last week.

00:18:55.000 I'm really proud of it.

00:18:56.000 And we're asking for them to take our case and take a look at it.

00:19:00.000 You know, when we first went to the Superior Court way back in, I guess it was December, we had 10 really strong counts that were proving these elections were not only corrupt, but disenfranchised voters and took our rights away.

00:19:18.000 And that judge threw out eight of those counts.

00:19:20.000 We're asking for the Supreme Court to bring back some of those counts that are very strong to listen to our case and rule in accordance with the law and the Constitution.

00:19:30.000 My fear is if they don't do this, they will then be saying, basically sending the message that election laws and election procedures don't matter.

00:19:40.000 Going forward, any county can run any kind of lawless, corrupt elections, and we'll look the other way.

00:19:46.000 That's how important this case is.

00:19:48.000 They're either going to send a message that election laws matter, election procedures matter, and the sanctity of our vote matters, or it doesn't.

00:19:58.000 I believe they'll take it up, and I'm looking forward to finding out if they do that.

00:20:03.000 So, what's the reputation of the Arizona Supreme Court?

00:20:05.000 How many sit on the court?

00:20:07.000 How are they selected?

00:20:10.000 The governors appoint them, and there are seven on the Supreme Court.

00:20:14.000 And I feel confident that they will do the right thing.

00:20:18.000 I'm not going to analyze each and every one of them.

00:20:22.000 I think they were placed there, and they're sitting at the highest court in our state.

00:20:27.000 And I believe that they will look to the Constitution, look at the evidence we've presented, and do the right thing.

00:20:32.000 I know that they don't want to be justices that go down in history as somebody who rubber stamped or put their seal of approval on the most corrupt election our state has ever seen, and maybe our country has ever seen.

00:20:45.000 So, I hope they'll just apply the law.

00:20:45.000 That's right.

00:20:48.000 All we're asking is for them to take the case, look at it, apply the law, so that going forward, we make sure that every election they have to follow the election laws and the procedural rules so that we can be assured that our elections are run not only smoothly, but fairly and honestly.

00:21:05.000 And people were 100% disenfranchised.

00:21:08.000 I saw it myself when I went to go vote on election day.

00:21:10.000 It was a total circus.

00:21:11.000 It was a disgrace.

00:21:12.000 And there were lines out the door, poll workers that didn't even know how to fix the tabulators or the machines.

00:21:18.000 And we know this all across the valley, and judges have decided to do absolutely nothing about it.

00:21:23.000 And Maricopa County, obviously, you know, they stated that they did not want you to become governor, and they probably did whatever they possibly could to prevent that.

00:21:32.000 So, you know, I will say this too about Election Day.

00:21:36.000 You ask any Arizonan, if someone says, oh, the elections were fine, everybody I see on the street says, I didn't know that the elections were this bad until it happened to me.

00:21:47.000 And I waited in line for four hours, and my vote was put into a second drawer or a third drawer.

00:21:52.000 People realize what's happening here in Arizona.

00:21:54.000 They're watching this all over the country.

00:21:56.000 I was at CPAC.

00:21:57.000 In Japan, they're watching what's happening.

00:22:00.000 In Australia, they're watching what's happening in Arizona.

00:22:03.000 This is an international story.

00:22:04.000 People know this was rigged.

00:22:06.000 They see Katie Hobbs, who can't even formulate a cohesive message or sentence, and they know that she didn't win.

00:22:14.000 And so it's really an international story, what's happening here in Arizona.

00:22:17.000 And they're all watching and hoping that our justices do the right thing.

00:22:21.000 So, Carrie, over the weekend, you mentioned something that got my attention.

00:22:25.000 And I'd love to have you dive into it to our audience, that you were offered money, almost a bribe from powerful people to leave politics.

00:22:35.000 Tell us about that.

00:22:37.000 Yeah, well, you know, I was on your show, I don't know, a couple of weeks ago, and you asked me about a run for Senate.

00:22:43.000 Rumors were swirling.

00:22:44.000 And I told you, look, you know, dozens of people at this point, it's been thousands of people have reached out saying, you've got to run for Senate.

00:22:51.000 If things don't work in the courts, you've got to run for Senate.

00:22:54.000 And I said, look, my priority is the governor's office, the race that we won, and our case.

00:23:01.000 But if things don't go right well, then I'm not going to get out of politics because I'm not going to let the same people who stole this election take our movement away and silence us.

00:23:11.000 So I would consider that.

00:23:13.000 I told you that on your show, and that made some headlines.

00:23:17.000 And that worried a lot of people.

00:23:18.000 And on Tuesday of last week, as I was kind of getting myself ready to go to CPAC, I had a visitor at my door, somebody I know, invited the person in.

00:23:28.000 And they started with an offer for a fancy job title, a nice salary, a position on a board.

00:23:35.000 If I would just agree to not run for Senate, to not be on the ballot, to just stay out of politics and kind of park it for two years.

00:23:44.000 To which I laughed.

00:23:45.000 I said, are you kidding me?

00:23:46.000 I think you do know that I walked away from a prestigious job and a big paycheck.

00:23:50.000 I'm not motivated by that.

00:23:51.000 And the conversation went on.

00:23:53.000 And as I finally moved this person kind of out of my house and said, I've got things to do.

00:23:57.000 No, thank you.

00:23:58.000 It moved into, well, what do you want to make this happen? 0.98

00:24:03.000 We want you out.

00:24:04.000 There's some powerful people back east who really want you out.

00:24:08.000 They know that I will win in a primary and I'll frankly win in the general election as well.

00:24:13.000 And they're very concerned.

00:24:14.000 They want to put out their typical candidates.

00:24:16.000 And so the conversation turned to what would it be?

00:24:20.000 What would your price be?

00:24:21.000 What's your price?

00:24:22.000 Well, my price is I want our elections to be run smoothly.

00:24:26.000 And I want to be in the governor's office where I belong.

00:24:29.000 And I said, there is no price.

00:24:30.000 There's no price that you could pay to make me go away or the people of Arizona go away.

00:24:36.000 We're going to continue to fight.

00:24:37.000 So I wouldn't take 100.

00:24:39.000 I wouldn't take a million.

00:24:40.000 I wouldn't take 10 million.

00:24:41.000 I wouldn't take 100 million.

00:24:43.000 That's how important this fight is that we're in right now, Charlie, to save our country.

00:24:47.000 So can you give us, and I respect the confidentiality, but any flavor or taste of the type of person that made this offer?

00:24:54.000 Because I mean, our audience is going nuts.

00:24:56.000 And I would like to.

00:24:56.000 I know everyone wants me to reveal who came to my door.

00:24:59.000 And I don't want to shoot the messenger.

00:25:01.000 This is somebody who I think is a good person and may be being a little bit blackmailed and some things hanging over this person's head as well.

00:25:12.000 The real problem is the people who are making the offer.

00:25:14.000 And it's powerful people back east.

00:25:17.000 I have my ideas on who they are.

00:25:20.000 I don't know for sure who they are, but I have an idea who they are.

00:25:24.000 And I think it's more of the, I hate to say it, the rhino wing of our party. 0.98

00:25:28.000 They are trying to make MAGA go away.

00:25:30.000 They don't want America First candidates.

00:25:33.000 And I think when I get on the ballot, I help other America First candidates.

00:25:37.000 And I think we all know of a big America First candidate who's going to be on the ballot, right?

00:25:42.000 Back East.

00:25:42.000 I wonder who that might be.

00:25:44.000 That would be a very, I don't think you need to have a lot of speculation.

00:25:47.000 There were some big meetings happening last week, and I'm sure that I was a topic of conversation.

00:25:52.000 But, you know, I was at first not going to say anything about it.

00:25:57.000 And I got to talking to my husband and we chuckled about it.

00:26:00.000 It's like, oh, my gosh, you hear about these things happening in politics, but then they happen to you.

00:26:04.000 And it's kind of like the mafia making you an offer you can't refuse, but I refuse the offer.

00:26:09.000 And the next offer may not be a friendly one, if you know what I mean.

00:26:12.000 So I kind of put that out there, a little bit of a life insurance plan, if you will, to let people know these people want to stop the America First movement.

00:26:23.000 It's dangerous to their plan.

00:26:25.000 I believe their plan is to push a globalist agenda.

00:26:27.000 And that's what my speech was about on Saturday night, or I'm sorry, Friday night at the Ronald Reagan dinner.

00:26:34.000 We're not even Democrat versus Republican right now.

00:26:36.000 We are Americanism versus globalism right now.

00:26:40.000 And people are not awake to this.

00:26:43.000 And I talked about how the original globalists was the British monarchy and our founding fathers in 1776, the colonialists were fighting the globalists.

00:26:53.000 The biggest globalists the world had ever seen was the British monarchy.

00:26:57.000 And we battled back and won that.

00:26:59.000 And we're not going to give it away.

00:27:00.000 We're not going to give America away.

00:27:02.000 Too many men and women have fought for this country for us to let it go.

00:27:06.000 Well, I loved your juxtaposition where you connect, you say, King George, and now we're not going to bow to George Soros.

00:27:14.000 That's exactly right.

00:27:15.000 It's the same sort of subject versus citizen tension.

00:27:20.000 So, Carrie, let me ask you, and I'd love to get you, I think we have you for another segment here, just your own.

00:27:26.000 And I know you can't answer it plainly, but can you at least clue us in?

00:27:31.000 Because we have, this is your most positive base of audience, right?

00:27:34.000 love you here just people are so excited thank you just kind of what's the calculus what are the inputs of this senate race that is opening up that is going to be unlike any other you got kirsten cinema that might run as a moderate independent you got the commie ruben gallego that might get the democrat all this remains to still be sorted out but where your thought process where's your thought process at Okay, one of the things I think is that the globalist agenda would love to see Kirsten Cinema remain in there.

00:28:02.000 She's voting with them.

00:28:03.000 She votes with the hedge fund guys.

00:28:06.000 She votes with them all the time. 0.98

00:28:08.000 I think they would like to put a weak MAGA candidate up.

00:28:12.000 And I think they'd like to have, as you call them, did you say Commie?

00:28:15.000 You did.

00:28:15.000 I didn't say it.

00:28:16.000 Ruben Gallego.

00:28:17.000 That's not a reach.

00:28:18.000 And then what they want to do is.

00:28:20.000 That's not a reach.

00:28:21.000 He's a Marxist.

00:28:22.000 That is not a reach.

00:28:22.000 You're right.

00:28:23.000 He might say he's a socialist.

00:28:24.000 I think it goes further than that.

00:28:26.000 And I think what they want to see happen is for them to see the MAGA candidate lose and the commie lose and then say, look, Arizona's purple.

00:28:34.000 This is what they want.

00:28:35.000 Think about it.

00:28:35.000 When you're talking about these hedge fund people, there are trillions on the line.

00:28:39.000 We're not talking billions.

00:28:41.000 We're talking trillions on the line.

00:28:43.000 That's how powerful that Senate seat is.

00:28:45.000 And I think they're with Kirsten Cinema on that.

00:28:48.000 And so they can't have a strong MAGA candidate.

00:28:50.000 They need one that's a little weak.

00:28:52.000 And then their messages would be the people of Arizona are done with MAGA.

00:28:55.000 The people of Arizona are done with socialism and that kind of thing.

00:29:00.000 And they want purple or whatever they'll say.

00:29:02.000 That's, I think, what they want.

00:29:04.000 And so therefore, having a very strong MAGA candidate would be difficult, if not deadly, to that plan.

00:29:12.000 Kerry, your thoughts.

00:29:14.000 It seems that there's a new push for early voting and ballot harvesting.

00:29:18.000 You have, you know, a lot of personal experience.

00:29:21.000 Your campaign was sabotaged.

00:29:23.000 You should be in the governor's mansion right now or the governor's office.

00:29:26.000 It's a tragedy that you're not.

00:29:28.000 Your thoughts on this?

00:29:30.000 Well, I'm not for if we if we go to that ballot harvesting method and mode, it's going to be who can cheat the hardest.

00:29:37.000 We have an opportunity right now.

00:29:38.000 We've got legislatures that are sitting in session to pressure these people to do the right thing and pass laws, do everything they can to use their power to make sure that we have better laws with more teeth in them.

00:29:51.000 And we won.

00:29:53.000 I won because of election day voting.

00:29:55.000 In the primary, they couldn't pump in enough phony ballots because we showed up in droves.

00:29:59.000 I mean, think of what happened in Pinnell County, where one hour into Election Day, they ran out of Republican ballots.

00:30:05.000 By the end of the day, a quarter of all polling places have ran out of Republican ballots.

00:30:10.000 They didn't even put enough ballots in.

00:30:12.000 And so they tried to kind of sabotage it, but we still outvoted them.

00:30:16.000 And we won in huge ways by voting on Election Day.

00:30:20.000 I believe in Election Day voting because they can't, they don't know how many ballots to jam into the system, phony ballots, when people wait until Election Day to vote.

00:30:30.000 They really don't.

00:30:31.000 And they can't vote for you because you might then show up on Election Day and then it'll be revealed.

00:30:37.000 Think about how much was revealed by people showing up on Election Day and how they're committing these crimes, these election crimes that we didn't know.

00:30:45.000 It's going to be even harder for them to cheat next time because now we know what to look out for.

00:30:50.000 We know what the images should look like on the ballot.

00:30:53.000 I am for, at this point, pushing for Election Day, continuing to do that.

00:30:58.000 If you're really comfortable with the mail-in ballots and that's how you vote, you can do that.

00:31:02.000 But we want people to show up on Election Day.

00:31:05.000 And I fear if we go down this route where we're saying, let's just harvest ballots and do all of that, our legislatures will not feel the need, the pressure to do the right thing and change the laws so that we're protecting our sacred vote.

00:31:18.000 And the courts won't feel the need to.

00:31:19.000 They'll say, oh, it looks like the other side has kind of found a way around it.

00:31:23.000 We don't need to act urgently when I think they do need to act urgently.

00:31:28.000 So, Carrie, then what do you think will be different this 2024 side?

00:31:32.000 Because Katie Hobbs is not going to change anything.

00:31:35.000 You're right.

00:31:36.000 Katie Hobbs is not.

00:31:37.000 But our legislature is working on, you know, I would like to see one of our cases win.

00:31:41.000 We have a case that's in the Ninth Circuit to ban these machines.

00:31:45.000 I believe that our lawmakers are working to ban machines that have foreign-made components where our enemy actually makes the components. 0.90

00:31:54.000 This could pass and this could bring about some changes.

00:31:57.000 And that could be done even without Katie Hobbes' signature.

00:32:01.000 It could be done just through the Senate, through a resolution.

00:32:04.000 So there are a lot of things happening right now.

00:32:06.000 And I fear if we just kind of say, all right, we're going to go and cheat the way the Democrats do, then they won't feel the need to continue to work on this.

00:32:15.000 We're on the verge of having election reform.

00:32:17.000 I hear you.

00:32:18.000 I don't, I'm not calling for people to cheat.

00:32:20.000 I do think, though, it's an issue.

00:32:21.000 I mean, to have people vote in person early, I think should be expanded because, Kerry, won't they just sabotage us again?

00:32:28.000 I mean, that's there's just not enough voting centers, right?

00:32:31.000 And I hope the lawsuits are successful.

00:32:34.000 But my fear is that we're just going to go through this whole thing again where it's two-hour waiting line in Scottsdale, right?

00:32:41.000 Absent.

00:32:42.000 I understand.

00:32:43.000 And Charlie, I really believe we should have this conversation very seriously, maybe seven or eight months before the election.

00:32:50.000 We're two years out and we have some really serious cases that are moving in to the top court in Arizona.

00:32:58.000 And if there's an indication of we've thrown in the towel and we're just going to play by their same corrupt game, I hate what that message is going out.

00:33:08.000 And so I just think it's a conversation we need to push a little bit further down the road and see some of these cases.

00:33:13.000 We have many cases playing out across the country that are game changers.

00:33:18.000 And I'd like to see those cases be able to be heard without it getting in anybody's head, including the judicial branch, that we're moving on and we're just going to play that same corrupt game.

00:33:31.000 This is let's play Donald Trump Cut 24.

00:33:34.000 Just an interesting because he's introduced this into the zeitgeist.

00:33:38.000 Play cut 24.

00:33:39.000 And it's ballot harvesting.

00:33:41.000 We will become masters at ballot harvesting.

00:33:44.000 We have no choice.

00:33:46.000 Beating the Democrats at their own game.

00:33:52.000 And we'll do it legally.

00:33:54.000 The agenda I've laid out today will end America's destruction.

00:33:58.000 I was there.

00:33:59.000 I don't think it was met with as big of applause as you would think.

00:34:02.000 I think there were a few people that were kind of like, do we have to go that route?

00:34:06.000 We just want honest elections.

00:34:08.000 And I will say the president laid out an agenda that is so good.

00:34:13.000 I'm so excited for his return in 24.

00:34:15.000 This country is going to see a turnaround like our wildest dreams could never imagine.

00:34:20.000 Kerry Lake, we are behind you.

00:34:22.000 It's a tragedy that you're not currently governor, and I hope some things start to change very quickly.

00:34:26.000 God bless you, Kerry.

00:34:27.000 I'm still in the fight.

00:34:28.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:34:31.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:32.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:35.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:34:37.000 God bless.

00:34:41.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - March 06, 2023

Tony Fauci's Big Lie with Kari Lake

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