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00:01:51.000But first, here we have to get to the news, and that is breaking that the state of Utah has responded to the defense in the Tyler Robinson hearing.
00:03:02.000In fact, the prosecution hip checked the defense pretty hard against the boards of Utah jurisprudence.
00:03:09.000It was actually pretty systematic in their response.
00:03:15.000The evidence is overwhelming against Tyler Robinson.
00:03:18.000So, to me, some of this didn't probably have to happen because anybody with a functioning limbic system would know that there's probable cause to believe that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk and that there were other people in the, you know, and he did so for his political expression, which is one of the aggravators, and also that it was endangering the public, the people around Charlie Kirk or behind Charlie Kirk or in that line of Fire.
00:03:48.000But the prosecution took the extra step, which I think the Kirk family appreciates and everybody watching this appreciates, to explain why and explain why the arguments made by the defense were false.
00:04:01.000Their reading of the law was just wrong.
00:04:04.000Right on down to them calling reasonable inferences, which is always a postulate in the law that is for a fact finder, and calling that such things as speculation.
00:04:17.000So, when I'm reading the brief, again, I'm not a lawyer.
00:04:20.000Blake sometimes plays one on TV, but there is a lot of ink spilled in this memo that is arguing about the difference between reasonable inferences.
00:04:33.000And speculation from a legal perspective, why is that important and what is the distinction?
00:04:47.000And this is what I would tell juries in my murder cases and my death penalty cases.
00:04:52.000If you went to bed and then you woke up and across your driveway there were deer tracks across the snow, you would know three things.
00:05:00.000Now, you weren't there, you didn't see any of the following.
00:05:03.000But you would be able to reasonably infer that the following three things happened one, that it snowed last night, two, that a deer crossed your driveway last night, and three, that the deer crossed the driveway after it snowed.
00:05:17.000And those are all reasonable inferences that none of us saw.
00:05:20.000None of the 12 jurors were there that day.
00:05:23.000And this is just sort of common misdirection by defense counsel to say, you're just speculating.
00:05:29.000Sure, somebody could have hung from a platform like Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible.
00:05:36.000In with a snow machine and planted, you know, little deer tracks in the driveway.
00:05:41.000That's possible, but it's not reasonable to infer that, right?
00:05:53.000Later on, it will be a jury to determine whether or not these reasonable inferences that people were in the line of fire or that if he had missed the, that, that, you know, he could have killed somebody else and put other people in the public.
00:06:21.000I mean, the fact is, yeah, he hit his target because he had political motivations to kill Charlie Kirk, but he still endangered others by taking that shot.
00:06:32.000There's always a risk that Tyler Robinson doesn't shoot so well that it actually lodges into the spine of Charlie Kirk.
00:06:42.000Such that only small particles of that 30-odd six-round, that 30-caliber class bullet, exited Charlie Kirk.
00:06:51.000And so, you know, the defense is doing all they can to make the argument.
00:06:57.000Well, to be clear, Jay, yeah, there wasn't any of those, nothing did exit.
00:07:03.000Apparently, the bullet broke apart, ended up in his chest cavity.
00:07:07.000But, yeah, he didn't know that that was going to be the outcome of that.
00:07:11.000Also, they made the point in the brief that.
00:07:13.000The questioner's head was about at the same head level as Charlie's, it was about at the same head level, if not slightly above.
00:07:20.000So he endangered the questioner, if nobody else.
00:07:23.000But obviously, then they make the point that there are other people to the left and to the right, behind, in the proximity.
00:07:29.000They made the point that he visited the location twice earlier that morning.
00:07:33.000He saw that there were people around the perimeter of that tent.
00:07:42.000What does Supreme Court precedent say?
00:07:44.000But I think the most important thing that people care about most is.
00:07:47.000We have 60 or so pages between the defense filing and the prosecution filing, and maybe a grand total of one, one and a half pages dedicated to the core question of is Tyler Robinson credibly accused of murder?
00:08:03.000Because the defense basically didn't contest anything other than to throw out one page to say, we said some of the stuff was hearsay, just the text message Lance Twigg stuff.
00:08:13.000They don't address DNA, they don't address the rifle, they don't address the camera footage, whether that's Robinson.
00:08:17.000And that's what they say in this prosecution filing.
00:08:20.000Yeah, here's the opening from this prosecution memo.
00:08:26.000Defendant does not challenge the substance of the evidence demonstrating that he was the person who crawled to the sniper's perch on the Losey building rooftop, fired the fatal shot that killed Mr. Charlie Kirk, had the rifle in a wooded area, or hit the rifle in a wooded area, got rid of some of the clothing he was wearing, and told his roommate to delete their texts about the shooting.
00:09:01.000Because look, at the end of the day, right now, I think that the prosecution and the defense would agree.
00:09:08.000The defense is trying to save Tyler Robinson's life.
00:09:11.000They don't believe that he's going to be found not guilty of anything.
00:09:15.000And the prosecution wants to put him to death.
00:09:17.000And what the prosecution did just in that one sentence.
00:09:21.000Was tamp down any ridiculous arguments that anybody is making, whether it's in the Twitter sphere or in the state of Utah, that it could have been somebody else.
00:10:07.000There's no evidence to suggest that at this point.
00:10:10.000But had that been the case, would that be something that the defense would have reasonably brought up during a preliminary hearing?
00:10:18.000Yes, they would have brought all of these ridiculous conspiracy theories out at the prelim because the whole goal is to not have the most significant charges like murder.
00:11:00.000Twiggs is going to testify under oath about the admissions that Tyler Robinson made to them.
00:11:06.000That's why, if you're the defense lawyer, you know that evidence is coming, which is why you're not saying, you know, well, it was somebody else, right?
00:11:15.000I mean, it's absolutely a ridiculous statement to make given the evidence that I've seen.
00:11:20.000I haven't seen a stronger murder case in the 28 years that I've served in the prosecution business.
00:11:25.000And I prosecuted well over 10,000 defendants and investigated and prosecuted hundreds of homicide cases to include death penalty cases.
00:11:35.000The only defense that I see they have left is to just try to save his life by saying he's a young man and get the jury to nullify some of these aggravators.
00:11:46.000But the fact is, Charlie Kirk was murdered because of his political viewpoints by Tyler Robinson.
00:11:52.000The evidence is overwhelming, and even Tyler Robinson's parents know this.
00:11:58.000Yeah, and we talked with just, I texted briefly with Andrea Burkhart, who's an online, she's a streamer, covers these cases.
00:12:05.000I believe she was a former, actually, Courtroom attorney.
00:12:09.000Anyways, she wrote back basically and said, you know, the defense brief is pretty much exactly what I predicted.
00:12:16.000They'd argue, and this was back when the defense brief just dropped.
00:12:20.000I think the one witness tampering charge gets dropped, but the aggravator sticks.
00:12:25.000Is that how you see this probably playing out?
00:12:26.000Or do you think the witness tampering is strong as well?
00:12:30.000I don't know why anybody would argue that the witness tampering wasn't strong because he said, delete all these text messages where I'm telling you what I did.
00:13:33.000Apparently, this person found a warrant that had been served, and it says this was obtained personally through a record search of Utah courts.
00:14:16.000Was there a greater network that radicalized him?
00:14:19.000Did people on the Discord chats know, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera?
00:14:23.000And this is the first evidence that I've seen, maybe others exist, that this investigators looked into this guy, issued a search warrant of the person that posted this, and actually went after him.
00:14:36.000Is this, would you expect that there's a number of these search warrants out there for people that expressed seemingly prior knowledge?
00:14:43.000Well, I don't know if there'd be search warrants as often as there would be.
00:14:47.000Law enforcement that actually just go knock on the door.
00:14:50.000This is making a terroristic threat or an online threat.
00:14:54.000And depending on the state or the jurisdiction, that necessitates law enforcement knocking on your door.
00:15:00.000I would bet, and Andrew, you would know this better than maybe anybody except for Erica, that every time Charlie appeared somewhere, there was a similar sort of ugly statement I hope something bad happens to Charlie Kirk.
00:15:14.000So I don't think it's evidence of anything.
00:15:17.000That second tweet, you know, let's just say something big is going to happen.
00:15:23.000But I don't think that that's some guy with insider knowledge.
00:15:27.000You know, but I think they would get to the bottom of it pretty quickly.
00:15:31.000This caused investigators to execute a search warrant on this guy's and the contents of his phone.
00:15:37.000Investigators did not believe this individual was the shooter, but he posted these things that seemed to indicate prior knowledge.
00:15:43.000So, that is the first piece of evidence I've seen because one of the narratives out there is that the feds looked only at Tyler Robinson, they didn't investigate anybody else, and they ignored all the other surrounding evidence.
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00:20:09.000Namely, it's base turnout, which is why we have to ask the base what do you care about the most?
00:20:15.000What is going to animate you the most?
00:20:17.000And what is going to give you assurances that voting Republican actually gets something done?
00:20:21.000This is one of the reasons why getting the Save America Act passed is not a simple matter of preference.
00:20:28.000No, it's existential to the midterms because if you get that passed, And we keep putting up big ICE deportation numbers.
00:20:36.000You're sending a message to the base, hey, we hear you.
00:20:39.000We know what your priorities were, and we're getting them accomplished.
00:20:42.000I would also add on that list getting some sort of peace resolution in Iran, which feels like the great white whale at this point, getting that wrapped up and put a bow on it because we need to see gas prices come back down.
00:20:52.000We need to see energy prices come back down.
00:20:54.000That's specifically true, Rich, in a state like Alaska, where inflation hits these guys harder than most because just the cost of getting goods.
00:21:04.000Anywhere in the interior of that state.
00:21:06.000And explain the dynamics, by the way, Rich, with, you know, Alaska's kind of an odd duck in the sense that urban cores tend to vote Republican.
00:21:15.000It's the, yeah, it's the rural that vote Democrat, right?
00:21:21.000It's one of these amazing relics of a bygone era, which is if you go back and read Kevin Phillips, The Emerging Republican Majority, you can see it in other states.
00:21:34.000It's like, why does Alaska still do this?
00:21:37.000You have indigenous and Eskimo and Native American and other tribal voters that live on the outskirts and in the rural areas, and they have been Democratic for a while.
00:22:02.000Yeah, she, guys, I'll tell you right now when it happened, I basically said that.
00:22:08.000Lisa Murkowski has single handedly ensured that a Democrat will win Alaska in a bad cycle for Republicans because you need that turnout to swamp the rest of the state.
00:22:20.000And it's like the I don't want to say inner city because it's not an inner city like we know inner cities, but in the urban areas in Alaska, it tends to be the more big business, once upon a time, almost gentrifying these areas.
00:22:32.000And that used to be a Republican voting block.
00:22:34.000The reason it's held up until now is because of the kind of economy that Alaska supports.
00:22:40.000So In other states like Georgia, when you see a place like Atlanta get gentrified and more urban and population growth, Phoenix, this happened in Phoenix too, it goes blue.
00:22:54.000So when a Republican governor like Kemp invites a tiny tinsel town to Atlanta so they can have a mini Hollywood there, you're bringing a liberal industry, which will bring liberal jobs and liberal families and liberal people.
00:23:28.000Lisa Murkowski is a Democrat with an R next to her name.
00:23:30.000Which, let me just say, which is why we can't lose these seats, guys, because I have been told, and I don't know if you guys know this, but I have been told by more than one person on multiple occasions, Lisa Murkowski has said that if my vote is going to be the balance of power, I'm going to leave the Republican Party.
00:23:49.000I will caucus with Democrats and call myself an independent.
00:23:54.000If Susan Collins loses in Maine and then her vote matters, because that is her friend and she will take her little tantrum like the rhino establishment does all the time.
00:24:03.000This is real, so you can't afford to lose seats like this.
00:24:33.000You get a bad apple, but overall, they're really pleasant and interesting people to talk to.
00:24:38.000And I mean, simply put, guys, you could answer that very easily.
00:24:43.000Look what happened last week with the vice president and Secretary Kennedy.
00:24:47.000If Harris was elected, no matter how angry you are with Iran or anything else, if Harris was elected, do you think we would have gotten the white wolves and the wolves in white coats report?
00:24:57.000Showing that doctors mutilated our children with these trans surgeries for profit, for the prospect of having a lifetime patient who needed to be on their care.
00:25:08.000Like they're acting like stockbrokers or something who are trying to build a book.
00:27:10.000It's so textbook and it's so appropriate.
00:27:13.000He represents the dying wing of the party that should be cast aside.
00:27:17.000They're Democrats anyway, and we should move forward with Trumpism in its purest form because you get so much more out of it.
00:27:24.000And looking at the map, that's what you see.
00:27:26.000You know, parts of Monroe, which is Southwestern and the Keys, of course, that's exactly where I would have expected Vinman to get some of his support.
00:27:35.000In some of the Tampa Bay areas where, you know, there was once upon a time Republican slides until Trump came along, you have those orphan Romney whiny voters who still think it's 1980, right?
00:27:48.000I mean, that's who Alexander Vinman got, and she got everywhere else.
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00:30:01.000We turn our sights with the great Rich Bearus to Florida.
00:30:39.000I think, by the way, we talk about the Floridification of Arizona.
00:30:43.000There's something Charlie really believed in, and I think we have a great shot with Biggs, plus our get out the vote, our chase the vote operation in Arizona.
00:30:50.000We're way ahead of where we were in 2024.
00:30:55.000I mean, Arizona, the primary results alone is a testament to chase the vote.
00:30:59.000It's a testament to what you guys are doing because in a, You know, a guy like me who does what I do in a sea of like bad news with primary turnout, Arizona was the one area where he said, Oh, thank God.
00:31:11.000You know, and Florida wasn't terrible.
00:31:13.000It wasn't as good as people are making it out to be last night, but it wasn't terrible.
00:31:16.000Florida Republicans, you can typically, the core of the Republican Party, you can count on getting out.
00:31:24.000The only way that we were able to defeat Bill Nelson and, thank the Lord, prevent Andrew Gillum, who some of us did know who Andrew Gillum was and what he did with his nightlife, by the way, the media just wouldn't cover it.
00:32:40.000James Fishback, we've got a couple graphs here.
00:32:42.000And I know the reason I want to bring this up is because you made a big deal, and rightly so, with Thomas Massey, where he lost his primary, but it was like, It was 55, 65 and over that got him over the top.
00:32:55.000Meanwhile, all the younger voters were voting for Thomas Massey.
00:32:59.000We see a similar trend with James Fishback.
00:33:01.000I saw this with the enthusiasm for him with younger voters in that state.
00:33:05.000So throw some of these graphics up where he's getting basically edging out Byron Donalds with the 35 and under crowd.
00:33:14.000Byron's holding his own, but he was doing well with younger voters.
00:33:18.000What's your takeaway from the Byron Donalds race?
00:34:14.000But Byron, this is the second part that's interesting.
00:34:17.000Byron actually did well in the areas where there's like true new MAGA that's less white.
00:34:25.000So even though turnout wasn't gangbuster in Miami Dade, look at how much better he did in Miami Dade.
00:34:30.000Look at how much better he did in the Gold Coast.
00:34:33.000So, the reason he couldn't get above 50 is because in the Big Bend and in the panhandle and some Central Florida, he didn't do as well as he did in South Florida.
00:34:42.000So, had there been bigger turnout numbers among Hispanics and the new MAGA that Trump brought in in 24, Byron would have won by a larger margin.
00:34:50.000And by the way, just to put it all in context, any other cycle, Byron's margin would have been sufficient to be escaping any kind of criticism.
00:34:59.000It's just that people are going to jump on it right now because, of course, the.
00:35:04.000It was the narrative surrounding this race and whether or not he should have ever debated and nonsense like that.
00:35:11.000But any other primary, and this would have been a romping by any standard.
00:35:17.000I mean, he's just got work to do, and he's got to go out and talk to those voters.
00:35:21.000Guys, I mean, dismissing people and calling them anti Semites is stupidity.
00:35:49.000That comment there, the anti Semite stuff, I mean, none of the people we spoke to who are supporting Fishback said they were supporting Fishback because they hate Israel or they were anti Semitic.
00:37:15.000I mean, this is something, you have Mark on the show today, Mark Halpern.
00:37:18.000This is something, I mean, you know, I was trying to, the point I was.
00:37:21.000Trying to make you have a candidate as flawed as Corey Mills, you cannot keep that seat in the likely Republican category anymore.
00:37:27.000It's like in an election where you can get swept away, and if you're not careful, we will be.
00:37:32.000You can't have people like Corey Mills staining the ticket, and that is a seat that could have been gone.
00:37:37.000So, I like our chances to hold it now.
00:37:39.000Of course, it's almost essentially an open seat race, but it's still a better shot at holding the seat now that Corey's former TV anchor, uh, good brand name idea in that area.
00:37:49.000So, uh, good communicator, yeah, it's a good communicator, Rich Barris.
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00:39:15.000We have a treat in store for you, and that is, of course, Mark Halperin, friend of the show, editor in chief of Two Way TV, host of Next Up on the Megyn Kelly Network.
00:39:25.000Thank you for making some time for us today.
00:39:27.000We had a big primary night last night, and there's some underlying stories about John Ossoff, Natalie Harp, Mark Kelly, all kinds of stuff to get to here.
00:39:38.000But let's start with Florida and Alexander Vindman.
00:40:55.000And he says the flip side of this is Democrats are learning all of the resistance stuff from 2019, people who are heroes of the first impeachment, people who have made their name by kind of being these bold resistance figures against Trump in the bureaucracy or whatever, that it just doesn't have the mileage it once did.
00:43:46.000The global energy system is in crisis.
00:43:49.000And he retreats into this bubble of West Wing aides who are his security blanket to make him feel good about himself.
00:44:00.000All right, so he kind of walks it back a little bit, but this has been all the talk right now.
00:44:04.000And then you've got CNN's Aaron Burnett bringing on Natalie Harp's brother.
00:44:09.000President Trump is calling him Pee Wee Herman.
00:44:12.000Everything under the surface, though, is it feels like John Ossoff is not only trying to win his Senate race, he's posturing as something of a national figure, taking on Trump directly.
00:44:24.000And by the way, just I think a really gross smear of Natalie Harp, who we have no indication of anything other than she's just a sweetheart that is loyal to the president.
00:44:36.000I don't think he's inclined to run, but I think he knows there could be a vacuum and the pull of which would be quite strong that he might have to consider it, but not till after he's reelected.
00:44:47.000I really don't know what he was doing.
00:44:49.000The fact that he backed off so quickly leads me to believe that perhaps he didn't think through what the reaction would be.
00:44:56.000Maybe he knew, and he cleverly just said, I'll say it once and never again.
00:45:01.000I'll be super curious to see if the word Natalie escapes his lips between now and election day.
00:45:06.000But he certainly has put a big target on his back.
00:45:08.000He certainly has made himself very unpopular with MAGA.
00:45:12.000I don't know that it's improved his ties to the Democrats or the enthusiasm for him because it was already pretty high.
00:45:19.000And he already says lots of things about Donald Trump that don't have any blowback from any quarter within the party.
00:45:26.000So, not really sure what he was up to.
00:45:29.000And I'm not really sure this has any enduring meaning.
00:45:31.000I'd be surprised if it were alive next week as a story.
00:45:34.000Well, it is interesting that question of was this designed more to make MAGA matter or would it resonate with Democrats?
00:45:40.000Because I'll admit, I feel like I had not heard a lot of this woman.
00:45:45.000Like, I sort of jogged my memory once people were talking about it.
00:45:48.000But I guess, is this a blue sky meme, maybe?
00:45:51.000If you're really invested in Democrat politics, they just throw around, like, oh, Trump has this mistress who runs around with him, and they just take it as a gift.
00:45:58.000She looks, she's blonde and all this stuff.
00:46:01.000I mean, the reaction of the room suggested the people there knew.
00:46:05.000I'm surprised at how many people on the right say they didn't really focus on her, didn't know who she was.
00:46:12.000She's been written about quite a bit, primarily because of some of the notes suggesting a lot of familiarity that she's written to the president.
00:46:52.000Yeah, I mean, to be fair, though, with it, I mean, not to get too much into the palace intrigue of the White House, but I mean, there were people that didn't like Charlie's influence over the president, right?
00:47:03.000So that's going to happen anytime somebody wins the president's trust.
00:47:07.000But, you know, I just have to say, in general, the smearing without allegations.
00:47:15.000And by the way, if he didn't know that it was going to be taken as some sort of tawdry affair, a mistress of the president's, I don't believe that for a second.
00:47:44.000As somebody who's lived through this stuff, where unfairly maligned and smeared, I didn't like it either way.
00:47:50.000Let's talk about the horse race in 2028.
00:47:54.000We have you on because you have insights and you have sources within Democrat politics, and you're willing to graciously share those with us here.
00:48:01.000Now, if you are now looking at the field, so there was this interesting quote that I saw.
00:48:08.000Mark Kelly was in Georgia campaigning for John Assoff.
00:48:12.000Somebody asked him, what about an Assoff Kelly ticket?
00:48:14.000And he said, why don't you reverse the names?
00:49:23.000It's an irony and a paradox that at a time when American Jews within the Democratic Party have never been more under siege in the modern era, you have more prospective Jewish candidates than we've ever seen, maybe total in American history, all potentially poised to run.
00:49:41.000I think that you have to look at candidates who can do.
00:49:45.000Two or three of the following things name ID, fundraising, and draw attention.
00:49:52.000There's only one person in the race right now who can do all three of those things, or one person who may run, I should say, who can do all three of those things.
00:50:02.000I'm moving her way up in my September 8 for 28 rankings, the most likely Democrats.
00:50:07.000I'm really thinking anew about her chances and the likelihood that she'll run because I think she and Sanders are going to sit down and talk about it.
00:50:17.000Probably one of the two of them has to do it.
00:50:19.000If they want their movement to have the person who can lead this.
00:50:25.000And then on the question of who runs, if you can't raise tens or hundreds of millions of dollars, if you can't get on Monday Night Football and meet the press and your show and mine, if you can't become nationally known within the party, you're going to take a good hard look at running and say, do I really have a chance to win this thing?
00:50:47.000Right now, I see four people who are what I call aircraft carriers.
00:50:51.000Who can build those three things or has them already?
00:50:55.000Newsom, Harris, AOC, and Josh Shapiro.
00:51:00.000Everybody else, I think, is going to take a look at this and wonder if it's really a decent enough chance that it's worth all the things you put your family through to run.
00:51:10.000Is there anyone who could pull a leapfrog where, much like JD Vance was a senator only a couple of years and then he's vice president, if Abdullah Syed wins his Senate race, could he plausibly just very abruptly rise up as a potential frontrunner or any of these other high profile candidates they have running for Senate governor?
00:51:57.000People talk all the time about people coming from nowhere that say, well, Obama came from nowhere.
00:52:01.000No, when Barack Obama was at the Harvard Law School, people talked about him as a potential president.
00:52:06.000People say Donald Trump came from nowhere.
00:52:07.000No, Donald Trump talked about running for president for three decades.
00:52:11.000So, mark me down as a skeptic that somebody who people have never talked about running for president suddenly steps into this thing and wins the nomination.
00:52:19.000I think you're going to have some combination of Harris, Newsom, and Shapiro running, probably two of those three.
00:52:27.000And I think it'd be very hard to take the nomination away from any of those three if you've never played the game before.
00:52:33.000What about names I feel like I heard a decent amount in the past and yet they've fallen off, which is we have.
00:52:40.000Roy Cooper, who's been governor of North Carolina a long time, and is now running, exactly, Andy Bashir.
00:52:45.000So we have these moderate ish Democrats in purple, or in Kentucky's case, deep red states, who've been pretty politically successful.
00:52:55.000They have, you know, they're just old white guys.
00:53:13.000Of them because I don't think they have the pizzazz required to win a nomination.
00:53:17.000I don't think they have the capacity to navigate the dominant ascendant socialist wing of the party.
00:53:23.000So I'm skeptical that those guys can do it.
00:53:28.000But let's see who goes actually not just up to the starting line, but enters the race.
00:53:32.000Because while people talk blithely about there being 20 candidates, I think a lot of these people who are talked about aren't going to run.
00:53:38.000And maybe somebody like a Cooper, who's not talked about much, does run.
00:53:46.000Running for Senate, running for governor, it's not the same.
00:53:48.000And some of these folks have things in their background that they, if they're wise, they'll know they'll have to answer for, even though they don't have to answer for them when they run for these lower offices.
00:53:57.000And they may not want to put themselves and their family through that.
00:54:40.000I know he's got some drawbacks in terms of winning votes, including a lack of support from black voters so far, but he's a very smart, able guy.
00:55:41.000I had the honor of a lifetime to call Charlie a friend.
00:55:46.000And what I remember most wasn't just what people saw on stage, it was what was behind the scenes.
00:55:52.000That was an unwavering commitment to his faith, his love for his family, and his genuine desire to encourage others to live with courage and conviction.
00:56:01.000Charlie believed that following Christ wasn't something you compartmentalize.
00:56:05.000He didn't put it in a box, he lived it out loud.
00:56:08.000It shaped how he lived, how he served, how he treated people every single day.
00:56:12.000Charlie Kirk, American Martyr, captures that heart.
00:56:15.000This documentary isn't just simply about remembering Charlie, it's an invitation for each of us to ask what kind of legacy we're building and whether we're willing to stand firm in our own faith when it's tested.
00:56:27.000I hope that you'll watch it with your family and have those conversations together.
00:57:21.000You're the guy who originally wrote an article on Substack, exposing a lot of his plagiarism, raising an eyebrow at some of his other claims.
00:57:30.000And you were the one doing this on Substack because at every step of the way, journalists, his own institution, Other schools, they were ignoring that he was a fabulous from top to bottom.
00:57:43.000And why don't you tell your story of how you ended up being the author of that piece?
00:57:50.000Now, by the time I published the story on July 21st, literally thousands of people had known about it for a year.
00:58:00.000A year ago, first, Cambridge definitely knew about it in 2023, because as soon as Jason Arday was hired, Everybody knows the youngest black professor, a DEI hire for a very, very prestigious position as chair professor at Cambridge in the Faculty of Education.
00:58:21.000So he's hired in 2023, clearly unqualified for the job.
00:58:26.000But within a few months, there was another academic at Plymouth Marijuana University in the UK who contacted the authorities at Cambridge and showed them the evidence for his plagiarism.
00:58:50.000But Cambridge knew about the story then.
00:58:53.000They knew about the plagiarism then, for sure.
00:58:56.000And they would have known for sure that Jason Arde was a fabulist, too, because a year ago, he claimed that he was attacked by a racist with a knife in his office at Cambridge.
00:59:11.000And he said he was attacked twice, but none of this was captured on CCTV.
00:59:16.000So that means the administration knew he was a plagiarist, they knew he was a fabulist for years.
00:59:24.000And it's anybody who asks questions is intimidated, either with lawyers or with veiled threats.
00:59:32.000It's not just a story about Cambridge, though.
00:59:35.000I asked ChatGPT, so that I can't be accused of cherry picking, to give a list of all the institutions that had formal ties to Jason Arday, and it came up with 46.
00:59:51.000So, 46, like the Royal Society of Arts, and besides Cambridge, Glasgow University, Durham University, the BBC, where he was in a prestigious position as editor, all of these institutions.
01:00:08.000And he was just running around making, telling ridiculous stories.
01:00:12.000Obviously, many people knew, but either because of the threats that were issued by our day or his supporters, or the fact that people simply didn't want to be called racist, which was actually.
01:00:27.000The most effective mechanism for ensuring people's silence that kept the story from breaking containment.
01:00:39.000I had my own free speech issue with Cambridge.
01:00:43.000I got in a lot of trouble when I was an employee in the philosophy faculty in 2024.
01:00:49.000I wrote a Substack essay called The Guide for the Hereditarian Revolution, which questioned some of the foundations of DEI ideology.
01:01:02.000Particularly with respect to its claim that all groups of people are, on average, exactly the same in terms of socially relevant characteristics, the university placed me under investigation and my college terminated my position.
01:01:54.000I saw there's extensive plagiarism starting with his dissertation and continuing throughout his entire career.
01:02:01.000And even the work that wasn't plagiarized was at a high school level.
01:02:07.000And it was itself arguably an even bigger scandal than the plagiarism.
01:02:13.000So I wrote up a report of my findings.
01:02:17.000I posted it on Substack, and then it blew up from there.
01:02:22.000And it's continuing to blow up because tragically he did take his own life, and it's made this story grow bigger and bigger.
01:02:30.000There was a rally with thousands of people who were denouncing you by name.
01:02:35.000There's left wing publications and politicians saying, We need to hold the press accountable.
01:02:41.000Yesterday, an editor at one of these publications almost did this hostage video where he's apologizing for calling Professor Arte a con man.
01:02:52.000And so, what sort of attacks have you yourself faced?
01:02:56.000Because, let's be blunt, you did the work others were too cowardly to do, that you called out a fraud and a charlatan.
01:03:03.000Well, if you want to know why thousands of people knew about the story and didn't say anything, look at what's happening to me.
01:03:12.000Besides hundreds of hate letters, hate emails, death threats, there was a rally at Trafalgar Square a few days ago with 15,000 people, speaker after speaker, denouncing me by name.
01:03:27.000I can't walk down the street in London anymore.
01:03:36.000Now, even the press, everybody is looking for a scapegoat.
01:03:40.000Who is actually responsible for this situation?
01:03:43.000Cambridge, who hired Arde knowing he was unqualified, they knew since 2023 that he was a plagiarist and a fabulist.
01:03:53.000They had three years to find a way to let him down gently, to find some other position, some non research position for him to take or pay him to go do something else.
01:04:03.000But what they did is they set him up for public humiliation.
01:04:07.000It was totally unrealistic to think that they could bury the story for 31 years until he retires.
01:04:14.000So they set him up, and then, okay, so I broke the story.
01:04:22.000Then, after I broke the story, the British press published 249 articles about our day in 22 days.
01:04:34.000Far, even after he resigned from Cambridge, they were still dissecting every aspect of his life from the time he was a child.
01:04:47.000And even though this had no news value, because everyone on earth knew that he was a plagiarist and he had already effectively been fired from his job.
01:04:55.000And they weren't paying any attention to the people who were actually responsible for the situation, which were the administration at Cambridge.
01:05:04.000So that's how Cambridge behaved, that's how the press behaved.
01:05:07.000Now, the Union of British Journalists yesterday published a statement about the death of Jason Arde, and they criticize only one person by name.
01:05:50.000Personal attacks about all of these like fabulous stories and illnesses, and all, or did you just focus on the plagiarism aspect?
01:05:58.000It was very careful and factual, and it's been read by hundreds of thousands of people, and no one has found even a single comma that was a mistake.
01:06:11.000Uh, I at that time remember when I published this on July 21st, our day was the chair professor at Cambridge and backed by all these prestigious institutions, and you know, here I'm in Ghent.
01:06:25.000Postdoctoral researcher with a Substack and a Twitter account.
01:06:37.000I don't see how it can be true, but I can't definitively refute them without direct evidence.
01:06:45.000So I'm going to focus mainly on the plagiarism and the quality of his work, which are things that I can assess with the resources available to me.
01:06:57.000So I just showed page after page after page of his writing and earlier writing that he copies from, often verbatim or lightly paraphrasing.
01:07:09.000And there There was just a factual report.
01:07:15.000And then I, yes, I did draw some conclusions about DEI because I think this is a story about DEI.
01:07:24.000It's not really a story about our day and his plagiarism.
01:07:28.000It's about the incentive structure in the system that made our day possible and motivated the cover up.
01:07:35.000One of the things that makes me so angry is you have these publications in the UK and these politicians who are saying, It was misconduct because they wrote an article about him and so they placed him in danger or he was in distress.
01:07:49.000So they just had a responsibility to ignore that he had lied, that he had occupied a job he didn't deserve.
01:07:56.000And it just occurred to me, as Nathan was saying, he couldn't walk in London safely.
01:08:02.000And I think you and I both know that if that happened, these same people who say, you have a moral responsibility to not write about this fraudulent professor, they would say, he deserved this.
01:08:12.000Dr. Kaufness, he brought this on himself because he was.
01:08:16.000Well, yeah, and that exactly it's a great point, Nathan.
01:08:19.000If if you something terrible happened to you, and God forbid that would happen, and we'll pray for your safety, but they would say, Well, don't be a racist, then that's what they would say.
01:08:29.000I mean, look at this, look at this screen grab I took from Andy Nose footage of this rally that was held in Jason Arde's honor.
01:08:52.000He was called out to hit a diversity metric.
01:08:54.000It's very interesting that people are saying we shouldn't have criticized Ardai, who, by the way, held a position of great influence and prestige in society.
01:09:22.000But the people who are saying that we can't criticize our day because of his emotional state or whatever, no one has ever asked me about my emotional state.
01:09:32.000Nobody cares, of course not, about that.
01:10:21.000And it's like his final act of being able to be the ultimate victim here, which is what his entire career was built upon.
01:10:28.000Is that he was this victim and he was so put upon, and racism and overcoming all this ridiculous string of illnesses and mishaps and whatever.
01:10:39.000And I don't, I do not want to lift up somebody taking the cowardly way out as somehow the ideal or somehow worthy of exceptional pathos.
01:10:49.000I don't look at you as the villain of this story at all.
01:10:53.000As a matter of fact, we need people like you exposing the rot in our academies and institutions of higher learning because they, listen.
01:11:04.000He's sort of like an avatar of a wider rot within the academy that must be exposed.
01:11:10.000In the United States, we had Claudine Gay, who was a plagiarist who was leading Harvard, and Christopher Ruffo helped take her down, among others, right?
01:11:21.000You have Ibram X. Kendi, these fake pseudo intellectuals that are actually activists that are being propped up by a whole system that wants them to be these figureheads that they're not qualified to be.
01:11:33.000And it actually has destructive consequences on our society.
01:11:35.000Give us a sense of how bad the scope of that is where you've been operating in Britain, because we know it's bad in the US, but how bad is it in Britain, the scope of that rot?
01:11:45.000Well, I should say that Arte suffered very severe punishment, public humiliation, ultimately paying the ultimate price, right?
01:11:58.000And he's not, it would be wrong to portray him as like some monster, right?
01:12:04.000There are thousands and thousands of people who are far worse.
01:12:09.000He was a man who was responding to incentives created by the DEI system, where people who occupy a certain position in the woke hierarchy due to identity characteristics like skin color are simply not held to standards that other people are, and they can just make up anything and no one will challenge them.
01:12:32.000Or if they are challenged, they can just call the person a racist and then they'll shut up.
01:12:41.000And he is morally responsible for that.
01:12:44.000But it's not, he was not the worst criminal.
01:12:49.000You know, it's in my view, the responsibility lies far more with the architects of the system and the people who know better and who allow it to continue.
01:13:02.000By the way, which is also the media, because the media was very happy to fawn upon this man and to shower him with accolades and laud him as this great prestigious.
01:13:14.000Intellectual until the truth came out, and then they turned so they created the system and they supplement it, they message behind it, and they like a good story.
01:13:24.000The Brits love a good, you know, clickbait headline.
01:13:31.000So, anyways, the point is there is a lot of blame to go around, but in my opinion, sir, you deserve none of it because actually, we need people to be calling out the fraud in the system.
01:14:08.000By plagiarizing someone else's work, you bolster your own career, and resources are diverted to you.
01:14:17.000On the assumption that you're a productive scholar and they're diverted away from other people, including the people you steal from, who would actually be able to advance scholarship.
01:14:29.000It's just a matter also of stealing someone's intellectual property, and they have a right to get credit for that, for whatever their motivation may be.
01:14:39.000People have a right to know where ideas come from.