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00:01:57.000I am so pleased to welcome to the show Amanda Ray.
00:02:00.000She is a Scottsdale mom who is now suing the school board for compiling a very, very creepy dossier about her and other parents in that school district who were fighting back against mandates, against CRT, against all of the things that we rail against on this show.
00:02:19.000Amanda Ray, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:28.000You have chosen to take a bold stand and to fight back.
00:02:32.000We just had this story that broke this morning that despite assurances from Merrick Garland that parents were not being surveilled, they were not being labeled domestic terrorists or under investigation by the FBI for opposing such things as mandates.
00:03:14.000Are you worried that you're on a watch list?
00:03:16.000You know, at this point, hearing this news, it's shocking, but I guess I wouldn't be surprised.
00:03:23.000It's amazing to me that, you know, what started in August of 2020, when we were just going to board meetings and asking for in-person education for our children and to prioritize kids when we knew that they weren't at risk for COVID,
00:03:41.000we were met with such resistance and come to find out we were being surveilled by a school board member, his father, and there's even evidence that they were colluding with the school district in order to monitor our social media and to track our comments.
00:03:57.000And, you know, appearances aren't everything, but I don't really fit the bill of a domestic terrorist.
00:04:04.000I don't have a parking ticket on my record.
00:04:06.000So, you know, to be, it sounds outlandish, but I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere there's a tag on me now.
00:04:15.000I mean, there's dozens of these cases for moms standing up that are part of a conservative group called Moms for Liberty for owning guns.
00:04:25.000They were called into the snitch line as though they were domestic terrorists and insurrectionists.
00:04:30.000People were concerned that they were insurrectionists for fighting back against mandates.
00:04:37.000I want to get into your story specifically, because people don't realize just how creepy what happened to you, how creepy this dossier was and is.
00:04:48.000So this was the school board president in Scottsdale, Arizona, a very powerful person.
00:04:57.000Now, I heard one person put it this way, that it was more like a document that you would see from Vladimir Putin than this, you know, than a Google Drive.
00:05:06.000There was 100 gigabytes of information on this Google Drive that you guys came across.
00:05:30.000Yeah, I mean, it really started a year before we discovered the actual evidence of the Google Drive.
00:05:38.000Back in January of 2021, when Jan Michael Greenberg became the president of the board, he made a political rant in his first month of being president and blamed parents for being responsible for the January 6th riot.
00:05:57.000And I found that incredibly outlandish.
00:06:00.000Like, how in the world was the Scottsdale community responsible for what happened on January 6th?
00:06:05.000And, you know, in a later meeting, I called him out on that and said it was inappropriate.
00:06:10.000And, you know, in a school board's supposed to be nonpartisan, you know, why would you take that position?
00:06:20.000After that happened, his father, Mark Greenberg, sent me a Facebook Messenger message using a profile called Frank Graham, who was posing as a black man, a veteran, and body shamed me and told me I should buy a Peloton bike after seeing me in person.
00:06:43.000And this is out after meeting me or seeing me at a school board meeting.
00:06:49.000And I thought, how in the world is, you know, a school board president's father like shaming me to the point where, you know, I felt like I didn't want to go to a school board meeting.
00:07:19.000I don't want them to have to compete against men in sports, but those were all the positions he was taking.
00:07:25.000Next thing we know, the police chief is standing up at a press conference with our superintendent saying, if you don't believe in what's happening at your school board, then you need to stay home.
00:07:36.000And I found that just incredibly tyrannical.
00:07:41.000This is not, this is, like you said, this is not a Vladimir Putin regime in the United States.
00:07:47.000And how can we be excluded from advocating for our children?
00:07:51.000I was asking about curriculum adoptions and why a BLM video was on my daughter's Chromebook when she was in the fourth grade.
00:07:59.000And later on in the summer, August of 2021, Jan Michael Greenberg gets into an email argument against a parent and intends to shame her, call her anti-Semitic, anti-Islamic,
00:08:15.000and inadvertently, and I guess in a fit of fury, emails a screenshot of his desktop that showed a URL that was a public drive and was a 100 gigabyte dossier on our public comments, our Facebook comments.
00:08:40.000A lot of it was public record, but they even manufactured documents.
00:08:43.000They created a meme about me to denigrate my profession.
00:08:49.000They made a complaint, it appears against a mom who's a nurse who attended a medical freedom rally.
00:08:56.000Appears that he made a complaint against her nursing license.
00:09:00.000I was concerned that he was going to make a complaint against my financial license.
00:09:06.000Well, I mean, so just to sum this up for people, if they're struggling to keep up, the school board, through the school board president and his father, catfished you on social media.
00:09:22.000There was also hidden body cam footage in this dossier.
00:09:45.000Yeah, it wasn't just that one profile.
00:09:47.000There were at least six of these of these aliases that he would use to infiltrate the private Facebook group of like-minded parents.
00:09:57.000And he would bait people into discussions and arguments.
00:10:00.000And then showed up at a school board meeting with a body camera and talked about suing me and intimidating me and hiring a PI to take our license plates.
00:10:36.000They've infiltrated our school systems and they are subjecting children, American children, to radical communist ideas, radical transgender ideas.
00:11:09.000It's a beautiful document, and so do I.
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00:12:42.000I think throughout this process, I have started to become numb and immune to some of it.
00:12:48.000But one of the most terrifying parts of this is that when I reached out to the superintendent and said that I was scared and felt afraid going to school board meetings because of this.
00:13:03.000And look, Mark has a long history in this community of bullying and harassment.
00:13:09.000There's plenty of media articles and news articles demonstrating that.
00:13:17.000I asked for help from our superintendent.
00:13:19.000And our school board, our public government taxpayer public school, handed that email over directly to someone and it ended up in this dossier with my email address and my phone number in full display.
00:13:34.000There's some type of collusion going on within the district.
00:13:37.000And that immediately made me feel afraid that they were getting access to my children's emergency contacts and their medical history, their grades.
00:13:47.000I know that Mark was able to obtain emails that I sent to my child's teachers.
00:13:52.000And, you know, I immediately had this fear.
00:13:58.000But as a parent, as you as a parent, you know, you would do anything to protect your children.
00:14:03.000I stopped letting my children ride the school bus.
00:14:06.000I picked them up after school now because I'm concerned that he's going to know who that emergency contact is and have somebody show up in the office with that name.
00:14:15.000I didn't know who was handing over information to the Greenbergs outside when that information should be held private.
00:14:21.000And I knew that that trust had been breached and I was terrified for the safety of my children.
00:14:29.000I think anybody, any reasonable book parent would be upset about that.
00:14:33.000And I had no protection and no sense that anybody cared because it was happening with inside the administration.
00:14:41.000Well, this is exactly why people like Charlie Kirk and Harmeet Dylan, Dylan Law Group, are standing with you and standing with other moms that were affected by this creepy dossier and the school board president who should, you know, not be allowed to hold public office again.
00:15:25.000Accusing SUSD board member Jan Michael Greenberg, his family members and the school district of a quote conspiracy to allegedly violate some parents' rights, like invasion of privacy and First Amendment rights.
00:15:36.000Greenberg is accused of collecting private data like social security numbers, addresses, and pictures about some parents like Ray, their kids, and community members.
00:15:46.000The Google Drive containing this information was allegedly in Greenberg's files.
00:15:51.000So, this is a great example, Amanda, of parents fighting back.
00:15:57.000You guys are, you're not going to take it sitting down.
00:16:01.000Again, we see this report that the FBI has labeled concerned parents like you all across the country as potential terrorists.
00:16:12.000So, not only do you have the federal government surveilling parents, you have these local school boards, these creepy dossiers, but you are fighting back.
00:16:19.000There are groups like Turning Point USA, Harmeet Dylan, like I already said, standing behind you.
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00:19:50.000What have we seen in the aftermath here?
00:19:53.000So the way that a meme starts is you have a moment, a viral moment, a viral news story that is grounded in truth and real, it's something that happens, but you had to kick it off, right?
00:20:04.000There has to be a spark that inspires then.
00:21:13.000So as I was saying before, probably Nina Jenkowitz cut off my microphone from the Ministry of Truth, is that you need a spark of inspiration for the meme lords to get their business done.
00:21:47.000And he's back because Joe Biden brought him back.
00:21:49.000And what I think, Andrew, is probably the dumbest messaging decision by this administration since calling out Putin's price hike or standing in front of a board that said inflation two days ago.
00:22:05.000He's actually railing against food shortages.
00:22:08.000I don't know if you saw that clip, but Joe Biden's running around going like, this is America and you can't get food.
00:22:13.000We're like, Joe, what do you, you're on the watch, my friend.
00:22:21.000And meanwhile, he brings up our beloved MAGA King and the memes go wild.
00:22:28.000So you mentioned that the meme economy.
00:22:33.000On a serious note, Benny, there is a power in meme that the conservative movement has harnessed that, I mean, it's the name of your show, The Left Can't Meme.
00:22:44.000Why are these devices, why are these memes so powerful?
00:23:22.000The colonial cartoons of King George are savage.
00:23:25.000These are some of the most savage memes in American history, led to a great American awakening and revolution.
00:23:30.000And the meme lords today are simply continuing on that proud tradition of memeing and making fun of and criticizing and ridiculing the powerful, which is what memes do.
00:23:41.000Are the groundswell, the barbaric yulp of the truth tellers on the internet to speak about truth?
00:25:00.000So, I mean, that was, that was, you, you kind of got to my question in the sense that does Donald Trump become president in 2016 if he can't, if he can't meet?
00:25:09.000We have Elon Musk coming back to Twitter, at least presumably.
00:25:14.000I'm sure the deal, there's, you know, there's an investigation that they just launched against him, a federal investigation over his takeover of Twitter.
00:25:20.000Do you suspect that we will get to see the same acceleration of these memes that, as you said, express a deeper truth and they become accessible by mocking, by making fun, by making light of these political realities, these cultural realities?
00:25:37.000Do you think that we will see the same type of acceleration into 2022, 2024 if Elon Musk is back in control?
00:26:46.000The president approves them and then he shares them.
00:26:48.000And that means thousands of followers for these memers.
00:26:51.000It means big eyeballs for their accounts.
00:26:54.000And now Donald Trump is doing that once more on Truth Social.
00:26:56.000So expect, you know, the siren call has gone out now that Trump is sharing memes once more for the memers to return to the promised land.
00:27:05.000And again, as you said, like there is simple truth in these, you know, these little viral videos and these little images that really convey to the American people.
00:27:16.000It's the reason why, if you really want to get, if you really want to dive deep here, I personally believe it's why Christ spoke in parables, because people learn from little short stories and little short nuggets of information, very visual, right?
00:27:29.000Whether it's the prodigal son or, you know, the Sermon on the Mount, you can learn from short and precise bits of truth.
00:27:39.000And it's the way humans like to learn.
00:27:40.000And so memes are extremely powerful to that end.
00:27:43.000And memes that push Donald Trump to victory in 2024, the answer is absolutely they could.
00:27:49.000So one of the reasons I believe that the left hates memes is because anybody can do it.
00:27:55.000So if you're listening out there, you can get in on the meme economy.
00:27:58.000Go follow people like Benny and see how it works, see what people are reacting to and get in on it.
00:29:08.000It was widely criticized, of course, by the left.
00:29:12.000Entitled, it shows a man standing on the right and he is immovable.
00:29:17.000It shows a man standing in the center and he doesn't move.
00:29:20.000And it shows a person on the left in the years 2012, 2018, and 2022.
00:29:25.000And the man on the left has run all the way over to the other side of the meme.
00:29:29.000The meme has to be this long to show how far left he's gone.
00:29:33.000And therefore demonstrating that the center has now moved to the right.
00:29:38.000And what the left should do now, if they were smart enough to listen to us, is they should try and move as hard back toward the center as possible.
00:30:38.000And I got to cut you off in case they're actually listening, which we know that the Ministry of Truth is listening, but we don't know if the regime is at the White House.
00:30:50.000At Benny Johnson on all social media and at Benny Johnson on Parlor, where we have an exclusive show, the left can meme, dropping hot memes, hot fire memes every single Friday.
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00:32:10.000There's a great article from thefederalist.com written by Scott Rasmussen, the famous pollster.
00:32:18.000It's titled 60, it's titled this: Why Overturning Roe may help Republicans a lot more than it helps Democrats.
00:32:26.000And what Scott walks through here is that conventional wisdom would suggest that overturning Roe will help the Democrats into the midterms.
00:32:36.000But he exposes something that I think is incredibly important here.
00:32:40.000Of course, this is on the backdrop of the League Dobbs decision.
00:32:43.000It's also on the backdrop of the Senate failing to codify the, what they say, codify Roe last night.
00:33:01.000Although that being said, he said he would have probably supported a cleaner bill that just codified Roe and left much of the other decisions up to the states.
00:33:10.000What this bill did was it, what it codified was abortion on demand in all 50 states, regardless of what those states' voters actually wanted.
00:33:20.000And it overturned existing laws in those states.
00:33:24.000So nine months old, totally viable fetus, you could get an abortion, no big deal.
00:33:31.000So Scott makes a point here that the real issue with the polling when it comes to Roe v. Wade is that people are confused about what it would actually do.
00:33:42.000He says 77% of voters mistakenly think it would make abortion illegal in the United States.
00:33:50.000That's 77% don't understand what Roe even does.
00:33:53.00041% simply don't know what it would mean.
00:33:56.000Just 22% have some understanding of the issue.
00:33:59.000If people don't understand, this is his words, if people don't understand what overturning Roe would mean, how can you possibly interpret polling data showing that people don't want it overturned?
00:34:11.000So he makes the argument, though, that you have to ask non-political jargon questions.
00:34:17.000I totally agree when you're polling voters.
00:34:20.000With Roe in place, the abortion laws are set by judges, meaning that the judges simply stated in 1973 that abortion should be legal, overturning the will of voters in 43 states at the time that had abortion illegal.
00:34:37.00065% of voters, when you ask the right question, think abortion law should be established by voters and their elected representatives.
00:34:46.000That's exactly what will happen if Roe is overturned.
00:34:50.000Just 18% of voters want to preserve the status quo.
00:34:53.000So get this: a massive majority in this country, 65% of voters think that abortion laws should be established by the voters of their elected representatives.
00:35:08.000This is a very, very popular thing to do when voters actually understand what it would mean.
00:35:14.000So what the Democrats are going to try and do through their messaging, they are going to try and tell everybody that will listen that if you overturn Roe, that we're back to coat hanger abortions in the alley.
00:35:46.000And 65% of Americans think that abortion laws should be established by voters and their elected representatives.
00:35:55.000So all of this comes back to a theme that we've been hitting on all week: that the Democrats, and I do believe it was a Democrat operative that leaked this, probably Kagan, according to Senator Cruz, one of her clerks.
00:36:15.000And when you see riots, when you see Molotov cocktails, when you see whatever coming down the pipe that they have, do not despair.
00:36:22.000That is astro-turf, dark money, civil rights, in air quotes groups that are trying to intimidate you and trying to intimidate the conservative movement from standing up for something that is completely right and justifiable, which is ending the scourge of abortion on demand in this country.
00:36:40.000Thanks so much, everybody, for tuning in.
00:36:42.000We appreciate you being a part of this audience.