(Fe)Male Gazing | Drew Afualo ft. Brittany Broski | THE COMMENT SECTION EP 5
Summary
Brittany Roski is one of the funniest people on the internet. She's a stand-up comedian, writer, podcaster, and all-around goofball. She also happens to be the founder of TikTok, a podcast about TikTok. In this episode, Brittany talks about how she got her start as a writer and how she went from working at a bank to being a full-time writer and podcaster.
Transcript
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Hey, bitch, it's Drew, and welcome back to another episode of the comment section show
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starring me, that girl who's a little bit sick, and no, it's not COVID.
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Anyways, today on the show, we have one of the best personalities on the internet.
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Seriously, my favorite person that ever exists, ever in the history of always,
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I mean, I've been shitting my pants regardless.
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Whether or not you're involved, I'd be doing it.
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we have very similar villain origin stories into TikTok.
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Because obviously everybody knows you as the original Kabucha girl.
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Oh, because your arc has been so prominent now.
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Because I did everything in my power to distance myself from it.
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But we got fired for the same, well, not the same reason,
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I literally describe myself as like a paid jester.
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I woke up before I am, painted my face, and now I'm here.
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So how would you say you've liked the transition now from working at the bank?
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I literally, like, when I say, like, it's the happiest I've ever been.
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And that every day, even in the moments where I'm like, I really don't want to do the XYZ
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It's like, well, would you rather be chained to the corporate desk?
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I'm like, I have two brand deals to film this morning.
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I'm like, instead of going to work and sitting in gridlock.
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Yeah, my joints locking up because I haven't moved in six hours.
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I was literally, when I was commuting to work, I was driving two and a half hours one way.
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So when I was doing that shit, I literally had to stop listening to music because I was,
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You ever, like, be alone with yourself too much?
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It's like, now I'm like, why does anyone hang out with me?
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We be shitting and talking shit at the same time.
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That's a great transition into our topic for today.
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Because we're talking about the male and female gaze.
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So, like, what's your understanding of the male and female gaze?
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So, the male gaze is how I determine my worth, historically.
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And then it kind of brought me into this spiral of, like, what does that mean for how I
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And then the female gaze, well, I didn't even think, you know, there was an opposite of
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Yeah, and the female gaze really, from living with Sarah, who is a non-binary lesbian.
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I've never understood the female gaze more than, you know, how a woman sees the world.
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When it's not influenced by these outside characteristics of wanting to be attractive
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But at the same time, you know, that comes with its own struggles, too.
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So, living with Sarah has really helped me see myself more through the female gaze.
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Even people that are not men, non-binary folk, you know, like, and specifically women, because
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Seeing yourself as a work of art and as this sort of divine energy, as cringe as that is,
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It's crazy, because when I was, like, learning about the male-female gaze, I saw someone explain
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They were saying, like, kind of how superheroes are written.
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So, like, most men think that, like, Thor is, like, the woman's, like, ideal man.
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So, like, Loki's written through a female gaze, as opposed to Thor, who's, that's men.
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Which is ironic, because that's a patriarchal standard.
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I was like, that doesn't mean dog shit to me, to be honest.
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I think they're starting to get it, because, I mean, who is always in this conversation?
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Harry Styles, Shawn Mendes, all these, like, really effeminate men.
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And it's like, they're jealous of that, because it's like, they're scrawny.
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Like, have you ever seen that TikTok where this guy was like, like, Pete Davidson and Jack
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Harlow are, like, two of the most, like, sexualized celebrities right now by women?
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And why the hell are you still going to the gym at 4 a.m.?
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But speaking of Harry Styles, because I told you I wanted to talk to you about this.
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Speaking of understanding the male and female gaze, we both have dabbled in the arts of
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And I think I knew deep down that he was down for the brown.
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He was the only one who ended up with a brown girl.
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When I tell you that diabetes was a main point in my story.
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I don't know why people treated it like it was terminal.
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And then my sister was building a MySpace at the same time.
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Like this bitch taught herself how to like code MySpace.
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So you made this and never shared it with the world.
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I promised my followers when I was like, oh, when I hit one million, I'll read it to y'all.
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Some of them to this day are like, where's she at?
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But I wish to God I had it now so I could read it like word for word how I wrote it.
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Wattpad, number one used app on any device I've ever had.
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I, um, the worst thing about Wattpad is that it's written by girls like you then.
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Like, on Wattpad, it's just truly the worst grammar.
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Like, no comprehension of syntax or grammar or just like English in general.
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I'm like, I, I, I was like, felt so seen when I saw you talk about your fan fiction.
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Since we've like pretty much established that we're soulmates.
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It's indistinguishable, honestly, from each other.
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It's like such an asterisk, though, because it's like we care very deeply, but only about
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Your rising is kind of like what other people see initially, like what they perceive you
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You got to get fired and you got to be an Earth sign.
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You have to hit your lowest low and you will be rewarded.
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And then then the universe will open up to you.
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So for those of you who are new here or don't know, what we do here on the comment section
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is I go over videos that I was tagged in and we like to, I like to say, bring them here
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I, last time I described it as I just cheese grate them over a salad.
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You know, like at Olive Garden when they're like, would you like some cheese?
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So this first video that I got tagged in, I'll just give you a breakdown of it.
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But essentially, a woman was basically talking about how a male coworker of hers made
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her feel so uncomfortable wearing leggings to work, right?
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So the next day she dressed in sweats because what she, she wants to wear something
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to feel safe from men staring at her and sexualizing.
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Like she literally looked like she worked in some kind of like factory or something
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So of course she's wearing leggings because she's trying to be comfy.
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So like, it's almost like, that's kind of like where it falls into the male gaze because
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men are like constantly seeing women in this overly sexualized manner.
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So they feel entitled to just objectify you constantly.
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Even when you're like wearing leggings and a big hoodie and like.
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It's the age old question of why is there a dress code for women and not men?
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They're like, it's a dress code for everyone except men.
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It's like, you got to tuck in your shirt and women, it's like no shoulders.
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I think that I'm glad that the conversation has started online where it's like, especially
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in schools in the South, because I'm going to speak from personal experience.
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Wearing spaghetti straps, wearing shorts, wearing whatever.
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And I remember like, you'd have to go to the office and get a sweatshirt and put it on.
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Because you, like you said, keep it in your pants, mate.
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Just literally like shoulders, shoulders are what gets you.
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My 12 year old cold, my shoulders, my 12 year old collarbone is turning you on.
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I literally would wear the most bizarre things just because I was like, this is art.
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Because I literally couldn't wear, we had to wear collars.
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So my like, my solution to that was I would wear like tube top, like big dresses with lots
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of tulle and I would put a collared shirt on underneath it.
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But like literally the dress is like black and white.
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All my jewelry's like, it's like that big costumey jewelry.
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Honestly, for jewelry that would break in like a week.
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One time I wore these like gold lame like tights.
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And then I wore these like platform checkered vans that were like boots.
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And then his excuse was that I was a distraction.
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Who said I can't wear a converse with my dress?
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I used to take the cami down to like my mid thigh.
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Everybody's panties are soaked when they see me.
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Spritz my whole body with a whole bottle of perfume.
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They used to sell those little purse size ones.
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Everyone's just going to come so hard when they see me.
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You know what though is I remember like around that time.
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That level of fashion where like you were up at 3.45 in the morning.
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I have like the pin cushion but I'm not sewing anything.
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I'm doing that but I'm wearing already made clothes.
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At that point I would say I was dressing for myself.
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But the dress code was a little less stringent in my high school.
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I kind of just dress like how everybody else did.
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Because you're kind of leaning into what's popular.
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They're washing their hands with their sleeves over there.
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I crashed that thing open with this big ass head.
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That's the one I broke open with this noggin bitch.
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Is she knocking on the front door with her forehead?
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What's the one I just watched last night as I was on the toilet?
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Where you were like fat for lack of a better word.
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Like that is my whole obsession with male validation.
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You're like God gives his toughest battles to his strongest warriors.
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Yeah if you want to offload it on someone else for once.
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Let's vacation with somebody else for a little bit.
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Someone that will perfectly fit into their life.
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He just wants to know if you jerk it to Joe Rogan.
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Those big stickers that go in the back of your fucking Ford.
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I can't believe the bitches aren't falling around me.
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And it just doesn't do anything if you're insufferable.
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One of my first Jimbro videos to like ever go viral.
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I was defending this dude that was attacking like thinner dudes.
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And he's like making fun of him because he has a hot girlfriend.
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It's so hard for them though because they were never forced to.
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You were never forced to develop a personality.
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Because they have a personality that's attractive.
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Like women can be kind of surface level as well.
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And then kind of discard them the way that men do to women as well.
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And we just want a good conversation with someone that could be a life partner potentially.
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I think my beef with it too is like at least women who want that are honest.
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Like at least they're like I'm not looking for nothing but this.
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Men try to like pretend like they're like looking for lifelong.
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So you can't really bitch like a Tristan Thompson.
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Like it's like these dudes who are speaking on behalf of rich dudes all the time.
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In what world are you on the same level as like Tristan Thompson.
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It's so hard is because it's like men want that emotional support.
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But when it actually comes down to like committing.
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And like are you someone in my life that I can rely on.
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They want all the perks of a relationship without the actual accountability of a relationship.
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But why are you texting me good morning gorgeous.
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Because some of these men be doing very homoerotic things.
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I kind of want to kiss you on the lips a little bit.
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They'll sit through that whole thing and be like.
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You know what I really think it is at the bottom of the issue is.
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They have been living a certain way for 20 plus years.
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And then they'll post on International Women's Day.
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I think ideology that big buff shirtless dudes are like in really tight clothes.
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I think a ooga ooga me cave woman me big man to provide.
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It's like a cartoon character where it's like a ooga.
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Your heart's like pumping out like Tom and Jerry.
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You're floating towards Jason Momoa and Aquaman.
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A lot of women are like ooh la la when they see him.
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I think the equivalent to that of like men seeing Jason Momoa and Aquaman is like what
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These sort of women with the ideal shape that men today want.
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What I see like I'm seeing them through the male gaze because I'm like damn they're hot.
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I think that men looking at Jason Momoa that's the male gazing at.
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That's what I was saying like with Jason Momoa like obviously many women find him very
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But it's almost like it's not when he's like topless.
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Like when he's like when he's playing the bass guitar on his on his free time when he's
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It's just like I think like an energy thing more than anything.
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And you know what it definitely is an energy thing.
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So I feel like that's kind of what gets women going.
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It's because he has crossed over into the sentient man.
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The struggle of the modern woman of just existing in life and being objectified and constantly
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being in fear of being kidnapped or murdered or whatever.
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He's hyper aware of it and he also puts that into his music.
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So not only does he understand and be like yeah damn that sucks.
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He puts it into his art and I think that that is what women see in Jason Momoa as well.
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Because if you think about it what's really popular about Jason Momoa like when you think
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about like pull quotes from him they're all talking about his wife his now ex-wife well
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R.I.P. to two real ones but like they literally the two of them that that's like all people
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would talk about would be like they couldn't believe how in love he was with his wife.
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I said see that's what gets women going like I don't understand what you can't connect
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it's not like ooh chee-chees male chee-chees they're like ooh it's not that it's literally
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the fact that he's so devoted and loving towards his wife and kids.
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That's how you think you'd think like meatheads would put the pieces together but they never
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And honestly that I guess that kind of begs the question like do you think that there
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is such a thing as a female gaze since there's nothing equivalent to the female patriarchy
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Because again we're leaving out lesbians from this whole equation.
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Unless it's you know oh is she gonna murder me.
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It's like they no longer there is you know remaining things of the male gaze that linger
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It's also like I hear Sarah talk about women and women's bodies and it is art.
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She talks about it in such an artistic way like a painting.
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I've never heard Sarah Schauer say do it jiggle.
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That's all the proof you need that the female gaze exists.
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And I think it's also you know when we talk about men that are written by women I think
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While it may be poisoned and diluted by the male gaze I do think it still exists.
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I think it exists just not in the context that like when men tried to combat.
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Their version of it is not what it actually is.
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Just like their version of feminism is not what it actually is.
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It's like they kind of cheapen the value and like.
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How many times have I said that the equal rights equal fights thing?
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I'm like dude if someone says hey man I just kind of want you to treat me like a human.
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And your response is then I should be able to punch you in the face.
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Since we've been eating up like Remy's restaurant.
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Just eating up these male female gaze scenarios.
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And then you're going to guess whether they're male gays, female gays, or perhaps both.
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So this first one says Megan Fox knowing how to fix cars and transformers.
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It's only the male gays because she's conventionally attractive.
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And all the men were absolutely jerking it raw to her.
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That's how wild they were going to those movies.
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Do you remember how insane people were going during that time?
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The same way they said women were acting when Magic Mike came out.
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That's how men were acting when Transformers came out.
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They were just constantly purchasing those tickets.
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Just the men eating it up so they could see her.
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So they could see her perfectly toned tummy lean over a carburetor.
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You know she doesn't know how to actually do that shit.
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Notice how you never see her actually fixing anything.
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She could have been cross stitching for all we know.
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Do you think the women that profit off of the male gaze are enabling it or are they
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Well because she made the best of the situation that men put her in.
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And she even said too that she didn't know at the time that it was going to be that.
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Like she didn't know at the time that she was going to be like almost like a like a
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That's why her and the director of the movies like had beef.
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For a while because she got pigeonholed after those movies.
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And it's it's a strange and it's a difficult thing too because when you are that attractive
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you're immediately cast into a different category.
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So this next one is Timothee Chalamet in everything he's ever been in.
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I think he fits into the category of Harry Styles.
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I think that people lust after him because he is the small frail artsy boy.
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Um but that's not to absolve him of any sins he's committed.
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But I also know that Hollywood is a product of itself.
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You know like famous people date each other because they all work together.
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And you kind of like I think they want to be with someone who kind of gets it.
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I would say definitely he's everything about that dude is like female gays.
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He could very well not be like that in real life.
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Where he's like rapping or like singing along to some rap lyrics.
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People were like this is the hottest thing I've ever seen.
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Did you say the ick that's coursing through me?
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But the people lusting after him for that video of like.
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What if he's that guy that like kickboxes barefoot in the gym.
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Then he walks around trying to like preach the gospel to other people.
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That man is a scrawny comedian from Long Island, New York.
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How do you date Kim Kardashian and Ariana Grande?
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Ariana Grande, number one feminist ever by the way.
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I can't even tell you how many times I've thought about what it's like to be in the room when
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Like I just would love to know what they talk about.
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Or maybe theirs was just such raw, primal attraction.
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And I think she was coming off like trauma and stuff too.
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Because I can't imagine him sitting down and having a nuanced conversation about the
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And honestly, I think too, like if you watched him, like I think he has, he's incapable of
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Which is what makes me think that's really who he is.
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Like, I don't really, he doesn't really like do anything for me.
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You know, I think about this a lot with a lot of famous men that, you know, these, the
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Fitting into, you know, whatever that means to each person.
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And I always ask myself that question of like, do you think that they really would make
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What if you hung out with them and they were annoying?
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That's why I can never meet Harry Styles, dude.
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No, like, like imagine being in a room with Harry Styles and he like hawks a loogie or like
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One of the biggest icks I have is like, men, you know what I'm talking about.
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Everyone in the room will know what I'm talking about.
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And you see a dude and he's like kind of, he's with people, but he's vibing alone.
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And he's like trying to look and vibe and no one's vibing with him.
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He's like standing there going like, like, like eyes closed, like with the drinking.
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Doesn't it make you want to just shoot yourself?
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I just think I see it and I'm like, am I an awful person?
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Like they're just like vibing, like, and then they turn to like, look at their friends
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He's like vibing, like literally with drink up.
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And I literally look at them and I'm like, I hope you're single.
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Like he turns into his friends and his friends aren't even looking.
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Like it makes me want to crawl out of my own skin, dude.
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I literally described it to my boyfriend and he was like, what?
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And he's, he's like, he's like trying to grab it.
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But also just like watching specifically white men at concerts.
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So that's going to do it for this episode of the comment section show.
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A completely hilarious Brittany Roski for joining me today.
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There'd be a 60 year old white man living inside me.
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You're on this episode like it's absolute fodder.
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But I just want to thank Brittany for joining us today.
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I'm so happy that we both got fired and that we're professional clowns.
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You'll be seeing them on the hall of fame in heaven.
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We're going to be welcoming you in at the 40 days.
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We're going to have a bucket of ping pong balls only for the men.
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I'm going to be like this is your one and only test.
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Now chase this ping pong ball and I'll decide whether or not you deserve eternity in heaven.
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And I also want to give you an opportunity to promote anything that you have.
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So my roommate Sherry Sauer and I have a podcast called Violating Community Guidelines where we explore internet history.
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And we also had Sarah on the show who we absolutely adore.
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I couldn't have asked for a better like first guest to have.
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The shorts that go a little bit too long down your knee.
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And then we're going to bring my own like bag sandwiches that get too hot.
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They're like, I would have gotten away with it too.
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Also, where can everybody find you on your handles?
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Wherever you want to look for me, I will be there.
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And you should go find her because she is the funniest bridge alive.
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And thank you all for joining me again on another episode of the comment section show.
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So again, bring here and just go to town like Olive Garden over your Caesar salad, over your fettuccine.
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