FIONA KEPT THAT BOG TOGETHER Ft. Jaida Essence Hall ｜ The Comment Section Ep. 135
Summary
RuPaul's Drag Race Season 4 Champion Jada Essence Hall joins Drew and Jasmine to discuss the new season of RuPaul s Drag Race, how she got her start on the show, and what it's like being a drag queen.
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Girl, these gays are getting on my nerves, girl. I'm like,
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you're a gay. You're a gay. What? Are you serious?
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You're everywhere you look, girl. Like, from the swamps of Louisiana,
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literally even gay penguins in Antarctica, baby. Gays are literally everywhere, girl.
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Every species. It's like every, every species, every, everything, every, everywhere.
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Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show, starring
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me, your fave. Everybody knows me. Who cares about me?
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And on to the guests. Today, we have the iconic, the legendary, the champion herself, Jada Essence Hall.
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Three of us. Yeah. That's good. That's fine. Let's give a snatch game.
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Yeah, period. Thank you so much for coming on the show.
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Thank you. Thanks for having me, Drew. How you doing?
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Good. Same. Literally. Last night was rough, but I'm here today. Yes.
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Thank you. We love change. Thank you. I feel like I love change, and I also love women,
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so. And also, I feel like women do, like, literally, as the shirt says, you don't owe
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Just exists. That's why you're matching my decoration. Absolutely.
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Look at that. I don't know why we censored the word when I cuss all the time on this fucking show.
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Wish it was the gag, because when I saw that, and I thought to myself, I'm like, should I,
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like, put, like, maybe, like, something over the eye? And then I thought, then they might think
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they'd say, oh, you shat. And I'm like, so I'm like, I don't want to leave.
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Girl, sorry, I can't do that. I'm not doing that to myself.
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It's giving. That's not for me, either. It's not my kind of, you know.
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Huge fan. Obviously, a legendary champion of RuPaul's Drag Race.
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Yeah, season four. I'm like, let me tell you that season is, the show is so good this
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season, and it's like, because we have, like, new hosts, and the show, like, format is so
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different now. I feel like it's almost like another show.
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It's, it's like, I've had Sasha on, had Bob on, now you.
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So I would love to know just a little bit more about your lore. Like, how did you get
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into drag? Like, what drew you to drag? Like, when did you start, like, really doing it
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But it's kind of gaggy. I didn't even want, I never even wanted to do drag.
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I really didn't. I didn't really get it. And, like, but I just kind of remember, like, also
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I had this one boyfriend who was a liar. But one thing that he did have in his house.
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That's the, I don't know. I don't even say my experience is a female experience, but
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it's also giving, well, if we have that, we have that to share.
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But I never wanted to do drag. I, like, I saw, like, at his house, he had, like, this
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magazine, like, this local magazine thing. And it was, like, Miss Gay Wisconsin, US of
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A. And I saw the picture and I remember looking like, hmm, that's interesting.
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It kind of closed it. But even didn't think that I would ever do drag.
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And then one day it was, like, this competition. But I do remember, too, Drag Race had came
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out. So I had saw a little bit of Drag Race before I started drag.
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Familiar with it slightly. But I kind of even started watching Drag Race a little bit.
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Like, it was the first season, but it was, like, not even when it first came out.
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And so I was, like, cocky. I'm, like, if I got on that show, girl, I would win.
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I don't even do it. Like, and I didn't even do drag. And then, like, eventually.
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And, like, but then, like, one time there was, like, I used to do hair shows.
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So I would get my hair, like, all these crazy styles.
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And then one day it was, like, this competition.
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They were, like, if you could, everybody was, like, you should go.
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And I'm, like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
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My friends that were supposed to background dance for me, they dropped out at the last minute.
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And I was, like, okay, well, I guess I'm not doing it because I was still, like, not confident enough to go and do it by myself.
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So shout out to y'all that y'all kind of disappointed me a little bit.
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But also that was good because then I was kind of would have been probably for a while leaning on, like, a crutch.
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People having to be present with me to be successful in drag.
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But I went out and, like, I was, like, well, I've already paid for these, all these things.
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And the people in my community were so affirming to me.
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Like, some people, like, finally, like, give it.
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If I go back and, like, those pictures, they were very affirming.
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Like, because everybody was telling me how pretty I was.
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He was, like, the fact that you have the nerve to come out, that's sexy.
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Maybe it's a, well, all the drag queens I've had on have been, like, bad.
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I feel like, I feel like, I think what, I feel like what I really feel like they mean
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the most about that is, like, the not being so serious about drag.
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Like, it's, like, I think everybody is so serious about everything.
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Like, bring back, like, when we all were using that weird filter that when you go back, it's, like.
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And it's, like, it's, like, when you go back to the picture, you go, ah, nostalgia.
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Like, it's giving Kim Kardashian used that filter.
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But it was, like, more, like, you didn't, you don't feel like so many, we were just having fun.
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You didn't really feel like it had to be the perfect picture.
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It was, like, more, like, if the night was crazy and I fell down on the sidewalk, I'm posting the random picture of me on the sidewalk that my friend took.
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Nowadays, it's, like, you, how is that going to change?
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Is that, how is that going to affect the numbers?
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Yeah, like, even, like, I feel like, too, every drag queen I've had on has said the same thing.
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Like, they've all had horrible drag in the beginning.
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So, it's, like, you learn to develop the queen itself, like, through the bad drag.
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But you develop all the other things that make you unique and special.
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And it's, like, you find, it's, like, it's, like, almost, like, through mistakes.
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And even with drag, I'm, like, when you first start and you do, like, this, it's, like, this moment where it's, like,
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It's, like, I haven't, I don't have a goddamn thing to lose.
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I can be, like, I'm, like, if I decide I want to make myself all purple, now it's, like, you, like, for myself, I imagine you do that.
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And some people are, like, that's not your brand.
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I'm, like, well, because maybe today I felt like I wanted to be purple.
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But back then you are more, like, I don't give a fuck.
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And so I think a lot of the girls that, like, you kind of want that energy back.
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Like, even, like, after the pandemic situation, even, like, dressing rooms are not the same for drag.
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Trixie was supposed to put me in drag and then she canceled on me.
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So she was supposed to, she's going to put me in drag.
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I feel like you should do it, but you have to try multiple drag styles.
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Because I'm like, I can see, with a Trixie face.
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I said, if you do anything that I don't like, I'm going to call you racist.
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Anything you don't, you say anything, if she does anything you don't like.
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But she's from Milwaukee, so we're both from Milwaukee, from the same town.
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And it's crazy, because we even talk about starting drag.
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Like, when she started her drag, we really almost started, like, at the almost exact same
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Like, y'all always overlap at some point or another.
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So, but specifically, which is crazy, because I, like, would work a lot in the city, but
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I had never in my life ever met James, not one time.
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It was just, and everybody in the city was like, how do you not know her?
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And I'm like, how do y'all, everybody knows her, and I don't know her.
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And you were both in Milwaukee at the same time.
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I guess we just never worked the same kind of gigs.
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And one day we happened after, it was like she went to film the show, and people were
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And it was like the Sunday that she got back from filming, we happened to then be on the
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And then she told me, she said, girl, you know what?
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All you got to do is just open your mouth on the tape, and you'll get on the show.
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It's funny, even me and Trixie, we were like, and it's like, because the love in your community,
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even like, to see like people, to want to see people like succeed.
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Like for, at that point, like she was on the show, but I hadn't done the show.
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And like, even before when Trixie was getting ready for the show, we both auditioned for
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When I had Sasha on, I was like, how was Drag Race?
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Like, all my friends have said it's like American Ninja Warrior, but you have to be like, wig
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I'm like, I think that like, thank you for allowing me to be in this space, one, as myself
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They're all like, I love that I don't have to come in drag.
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Yeah, because I'm like, the one thing is like, is like also, I get like, sometimes RuPaul
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I'm like, but she is herself and she is her character and she's also, it's like, the work
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that it takes to get into drag, I think some people don't also don't even understand that.
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It's like, as a drag artist, it's like, you have to come up with your own costumes.
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Where some celebrities, you walk in the set, they have a wardrobe for you to pull from.
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It's like, we're at home stressing like, and it's like, this has to be the right look.
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And it's like, then you have to, and you're responsible for those things by yourself.
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There are some people who have like a team of people who help them with that.
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But for the most part, when you do that by yourself, it helps add to your identity.
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Yeah, and it sets you apart, but it's a lot of work.
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But even aside from then, it's like, I want to, you want to be able to like, when people
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see you outside, they can have an expectation to know who you are outside of the drag
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and get to know you a little bit, meet you in another space, meet you as who you are.
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And even Trixie told me, I think Trixie was probably the first drag queen I ever had on,
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but she, she told me like, when we come out of drag, like we feel comfortable.
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Because when we're in drag, like we're someone else.
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And, and then also it's like the magic of putting together all of that.
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Then there's the anxiety of all of that not staying together.
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So you're like on a set and it's like giving, is the wig down, my nose, and then this, and
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it's like the bra and like, like the corset is tight and you're like, gotta pee.
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And it's like giving, and it's giving, then you go, is this woman on drugs at the podcast?
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She's fully, she's fully on drugs at the podcast.
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When I talked to Sasha, I was like, did you, I was like, a lot of them said it was fucking
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And I was like, I have had a lot of losers on the pod who lost.
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But you know what, what is, what is, what is, what really is a loser?
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A loser is a person who got an opportunity and then you like squander it.
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And I tell that to like literally people who audition for the show, the girls are always
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like, girl, what advice do you got for me for like, if I want to get on the show?
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I'm like, if you get the opportunity, it's not about, they're like, cause I will do it.
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And I'm like, and for me, I kind of, it's bad advice for me.
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It sounds like it's bad for me to be saying, cause that's what I did.
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It's like, I was like, when I did a season, I was like, I auditioned for season seven.
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And I was like, I'm not going to audition for the show again until I feel like I'm ready
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But I guess the younger me who sent in the tape, even though the tape was crunchy.
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And when I watched it back, I looked at, I watched my tape when I did it the second
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I was like, okay, whatever happens, I'm like, I'm not going to hold myself to some sort
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But I'm like, but for anybody else though, I'm like, just try audition for the show.
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And it's like, and then it's also, who cares if you do or don't make the show?
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But then it's also, you cannot, you haven't done Drag Race.
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Like, there's so many people that are carving their own path, make your own way.
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You don't have to like, you could be successful in drag and not do that.
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Because like, literally, you're relying on the opinions of people who don't know you.
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Sometimes like, when you do a tape, your energy might not read well on a tape.
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And then sometimes they take pictures and you go, girl, you always look crazy in the pictures.
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But then you see them in person like, you're a goddess.
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It's just not an accurate measure of whether or not you have the talent.
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Or who you are or if you're successful or if you're talented.
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And maybe you might not be talented in that arena.
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Like, some people, like, in a competition setting.
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I'm like, that's when, like, some girls do the show and they're like, oh my God, I went home and it was so bad.
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And even in Drag Race, I'm like, I go to the show.
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I'm like, I think that's what allowed me to do well and maybe win.
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I'm like, anybody here could win this for real.
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So, like, all it takes is one bad day and you could be out of here.
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And I would love to talk about the new season of We're Here.
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Like, how was the experience as a whole filming it?
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But I'm like, to be honest, it was very, like, an eye-opening experience.
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But you kind of, when we were in Tennessee, I'm like, this, people are really crazy and
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I've only been to Nashville, so I haven't been outside of Nashville.
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But even when I was there for, like, the few days, it's bad.
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You can, like, feel it when you're walking around.
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You see a white straight man wearing an American flag shirt.
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And I'm like, I, it's kind of crazy that now our country's flag is, like, a threat at you.
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Somebody's like, oh, my God, that's supposed to be a symbol of our freedom.
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And it's giving, like, this man might attack me.
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And we were out there, but I'm like, the best part of that experience, though, is, like,
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even knowing that it's crazy and it's dangerous and it's, like, wild out there.
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To see queer people still being, like, whatever is out here, we still going, like, I'm still
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Like, we're here, but it's, like, we're, I feel like more, like, assistance to the people
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Like, maybe sometimes, like, helping them see a little bit of confidence that they already
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Like, when there was Sasha's drag child from the show, Norman, like, he was running for
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And they were, like, giving him, like, some, like, somebody shot through his house, shot
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through his house because he was gay and running for mayor.
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And it's, like, being in a city like L.A., having the opportunity for us to, like, travel
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And no matter what city you're in, people are, there are still closed-minded people.
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And you go out there and I'm, like, I'm gagging that.
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I'm, like, even from, like, I saw that in my city.
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And I leave that and go away from some of that.
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So it's not always actively in front of your mind.
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It's almost like you can never, really, ever get used to it.
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And I'm, like, seeing my drag daughter, Malika, like, her story was, I don't want to, like,
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And I really, I feel like if I, I'd like to describe it to people so that they could want
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But I'm, like, you really, really, really have to see her story.
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There's also parts of our community that a lot of people think they know everything
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I'm, like, even, I'm, like, as gay people, there are bad allies that are gay.
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And, like, and sometimes there are uninformed gays, too, like, for, I don't want to tell her
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But when you watch the story, there's so many layers to who she is as a person, so much
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And, like, we were going there to, like, oh, we're here, and I'm, like, helping her.
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And now she's, like, one of my best people in my life.
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And I'm, like, girl, I'm here, and through your experience and you just sharing your story
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She is, if anybody, if you can watch the show and you see it.
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Please do, and also, then, please send a lot of love to Malika specifically.
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I'm, like, girl, she is going through a lot in her journey, in her life.
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And to be in a place like Tennessee, I'm, like, I could only imagine how much she would
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Somewhere else, how big her personality is, how beautiful her heart is.
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And she's where she is, and then, like, even with her circumstances in her life, she's still,
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And she's, like, I love country music, I love fishing, I love going, she literally
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It's like giving, I'm a country girl, and I don't want to be a city girl.
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I want to be a country girl, and you can't tell me that I can't also be a country girl
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That's the saddest part, too, is, like, chasing them out of what they know and love.
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Where they're born and raised, and they love being there, they want to be there, and chasing
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them out of their city to go somewhere so they don't have to live in fear of being
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It's like somebody's forcing to choose your lifestyle for you.
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They're like, well, if you don't want me to kill you, you gotta move.
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And the thing is that these are the mindset that they have, and I think that even with
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When you say it so plainly like that, I think a lot of people, they go, oh, well, no, that's
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But, like, the root of it, that is what it's giving.
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Like, I don't want to see you or leave here or there will be problems for you.
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If somebody did that to your family or to your kids at school or for whatever reason, it's...
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And even when we were down there, too, like, the schooling system was...
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They had an election at the school for, like, who was going to be, like, kind of, like,
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And they were literally asking the teacher, like, the educators who were, like, running
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for this office, this position, for the, I guess, for the principal's office.
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Like, what does it have to do with molding minds?
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And specifically more so that the people there would know who's Republican so that they
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Before you apply, we want to know that you hate trans people.
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We want to make sure you're not making space for kids here.
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Yeah, make sure you don't bring that liberal shit over here.
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And also, like, spaces where it's, like, in these schools where it's, like, giving...
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The school was working that if students came out or mentioned that they were queer...
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That the school would call their parents and tell them.
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It's crazy because I'm like, you have no idea what somebody's at-home situation is.
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Their parents could be so crazy racist or homophobic.
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There must be a reason why their parents don't know if they...
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Even with all the queens I've had on the show, I've talked a lot about how, like, you
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know, their war on drag queens, a lot of times...
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Obviously, it's always just a war on the LGBTQIA plus community, but also specifically trans
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So it's like, they're like, oh, drag queens are trying to read story time to your kids.
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And, like, I've made this joke with every queen, I'm like, every queen I've hung out
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So, like, they don't want to talk to your kids.
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There are some sickening drag queens that are amazing with kids and reading books with kids
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And they are, like, speaking up and standing up for kids.
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And there's a lot of us, they're like, get away from our kids.
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Like, a lot of them are like, I don't mind them.
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I just don't want them at my show and I don't want them when I'm working.
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Or if they're in that space, they can be in that space.
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If you don't like something, then you don't have to like it.
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Because you don't have to tell other people what they have to do or do it.
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So even when we talk about, like, drag shows and kids coming there, I'm like, even for
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If I wanted to be sexy tonight, I wouldn't have to think about, like, that.
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But also, I know that there was a lot of queer children that, like, sometimes they...
00:24:57.640
Like, I could only imagine that if there was a drag show or anything that was queer and
00:25:05.080
I was a kid and I'm like, I could be in that space and I could then feel like...
00:25:09.540
You think about this realistically, there are not, like, a lot of GSAs at school.
00:25:14.060
So when you're growing up and you're queer, it's like, how do I find myself?
00:25:22.340
Even if I'm seeing a drag show, it's like giving...
00:25:24.920
Now I'm realizing that there's other stuff that I could do.
00:25:36.140
Coming in and, like, coming in and enjoying drag, it's like, you can...
00:25:45.600
It's very possible that all these truths can be true at the same time.
00:25:51.340
Past that, I'm like, everyone in the queer community, like, they just want you to leave
00:26:02.400
Like, they're not asking for anything other than to fuck off.
00:26:04.980
All I want to do is get up in the morning and do stuff that everybody else is doing.
00:26:12.780
And, like, even, like, you know, it's a crazy thing, I feel like, with, like, a drag queen,
00:26:17.260
I'm like, we have a platform, so it's very important for me to make sure that I'm using
00:26:22.320
But I'm like, also, we are not the gay mascot, gay mascot, gay mascot, educated, gay, every,
00:26:33.020
So, like, sometimes there will be things that, like, even as queer people, I'm constantly
00:26:38.360
looking for information about my community or even people that are not in my community
00:26:43.300
But I'm like, there are things that we do not know.
00:26:45.220
And when drag queens don't know certain things, we do not need people coming on our, like,
00:26:51.220
coming on social media and being like, you're a horrible person.
00:27:00.100
And it's like, sometimes there is new information that comes up.
00:27:03.540
If there is a space for that, then give me that.
00:27:13.420
And then, so, and then if I get that information from you and I go, you know what?
00:27:16.660
And say something crazy and stupid, you go, now, wait a minute.
00:27:21.700
You can't assume that people, they know everything.
00:27:24.100
And it's like, also, I'm like, it's better to have an ally than, like, an enemy, I feel
00:27:29.040
In some ways, I'm like, it's easy to just educate people.
00:27:33.020
Just tell, like, if you know something that you, if you know something, share it with
00:27:36.440
people, but don't assume that everybody's walking around with the same information.
00:27:40.360
Especially if we're all, like, we can all have a general understanding of where we're all
00:27:48.460
So, if I don't know something that you do, feel free to tell me.
00:27:51.560
Sometimes there's minor details that I don't know.
00:27:53.860
And you can tell me, and then I'll be like, I didn't know that.
00:27:56.100
That's, thank you so much for sharing it with me.
00:27:59.820
Or, like, inflammatory shit where you're like, okay, now hold on.
00:28:05.540
And then being like, I'm not trying to come after them.
00:28:12.300
And it's like giving, but then you take a drag queen who is just, sometimes just a gay
00:28:18.400
or could be your trans sister or trans brother or could be a person.
00:28:24.580
And then they don't have a piece of information and somehow they are held to another standard.
00:28:30.040
Like, so many other people in your family or your friends that are also queer don't have
00:28:34.520
the same information and you are not making a post putting your mama on the internet.
00:28:39.640
So, it's like, give information, educate people, give people space.
00:28:44.760
But then also, there are some dumb ass people out here in the world that you give them
00:28:48.740
information and they keep doing crazy shit and say crazy shit.
00:28:52.720
And we should all know by now who those people are.
00:28:55.360
And then the gag is, is they know who those people are.
00:28:57.880
And then they still go buy their products and they still go do all types of stuff.
00:29:01.260
But then you take a drag queen or somebody in your community that could also still be
00:29:05.040
helpful if you gave them that information and try to ruin them, but then go buy a product
00:29:08.440
from somebody else that told you they completely hate you.
00:29:13.600
Yeah, like, it's very, it's a very fine balance.
00:29:16.340
But I feel like the fact that people like you and the other queens, like, especially on
00:29:21.220
We're Here, like the show We're Here in general, just from a representation standpoint is so
00:29:28.260
And like, I truly am so like, happy and like, glad that we're moving in a positive direction.
00:29:35.920
Like, we're moving slowly, but at least we're moving forward.
00:29:39.340
Yeah, and like, and the thing is, like, is like that so many steps forward.
00:29:44.080
I feel like these days, it feels like we're taking like, a baby step forward and like
00:29:51.220
Like, but it's like, it does start to feel like that nowadays.
00:29:57.280
But I'm like, like you said, progress is a slow thing.
00:29:59.540
And it's like, the more like, like the same way I'm like, the standards that we hold other
00:30:04.560
people to are the standards we have to hold ourselves to.
00:30:07.840
And then that's how we can make progress a little bit more swift.
00:30:10.220
Like, right now, this election stuff is giving crazy scary.
00:30:16.440
And it's like, reality is, and like, people want to be like, girl, tell people to go vote
00:30:20.300
I'm like, girl, right now, being honest, like, it's just, it's a very scary situation for
00:30:27.700
Well, and it's, and it's one of those, I feel like that's, this is one of those situations
00:30:31.740
where like, we as like, as allies, or people who are generally good people, right?
00:30:37.500
Like, we're all trying to move in the right direction together.
00:30:43.640
Because there's, it feels like there's so few of us.
00:30:57.780
Well, yeah, I feel like, because he's older and you're like, well, or.
00:31:01.740
Well, because this, and this one, and this, and like, it's like, we all feel the same
00:31:05.860
We're feeling the same, minor details, but what are we going to do now together?
00:31:16.700
Let's go back to, no, let's not go back to 2020.
00:31:20.220
Let's go back to 2020 and get on our damn Zooms.
00:31:22.400
But realistically, it was like, we got to come together and like, start like, maybe collectively
00:31:28.360
thinking, talking, and listening versus being like, this is what I feel about the election
00:31:32.860
and I don't care what you say, or this is how I feel about trans rights and I don't care
00:31:39.340
And so when you're talking, I'm going to keep talking over you and telling you what I'm
00:31:42.080
And I'm like, we're not even having conversations anymore.
00:31:47.300
We're talking at each other, not to each other.
00:31:49.400
And half the time, we're not even talking at each other.
00:31:50.940
We're talking to ourselves out loud in the direction of other people.
00:31:56.300
And it's giving, you heard yourself say this, I literally, you talk this conversation with
00:32:03.960
You're rehearsing the argument that you're going to keep giving to people all night in
00:32:12.640
And even in that place, maybe let's drink and drunk and then come up with a game plan.
00:32:23.940
Yeah, in a positive and somewhat safe direction.
00:32:27.340
And I think even during We're Here, that's when I'm watching the show.
00:32:30.840
Sometimes in my mind, that show is not even necessarily a game plan, but it's like to open
00:32:38.980
And when you watch a show like We're Here, I'm like, we talk about intersectionality,
00:32:46.660
And when you do We're Here, I'm like, there's no way, when I watch Malika's story, that you
00:32:50.060
go, that she's a black trans woman in Tennessee and not just about her queerness, but her
00:32:59.700
And there's so many different moving parts that like you watch the show and you just you
00:33:03.980
watch the show and you think like, oh, my God, this is what's happening in the world.
00:33:06.580
And it opens your eyes to be like, maybe we need to do like to start to change something.
00:33:12.600
I mean, it's like education more than anything.
00:33:15.960
It like past like it doesn't matter whether or not someone is queer or isn't or is trans
00:33:22.560
Like what matters is understanding that not everyone in the world is exactly like you.
00:33:26.900
And it's they're not like exactly like the three people you see all the time.
00:33:31.040
Like the world is so much bigger and so much more complex.
00:33:33.560
And it's like giving boring, boring as people that want the same friend.
00:33:41.020
And this is no shade because I know some gays that go out and they have five of the same
00:33:53.560
You're all like boring, kind of giving same outfit, giving, oh, I hate our shirt.
00:33:59.580
I don't you don't like I'm like, what do you why are you here?
00:34:02.340
If you hate the night, then stay at home with your same five friends.
00:34:08.160
I literally laugh, too, because I tell my friends all the time, like I'm like all my
00:34:26.000
Like I all my gay friends literally are always like, I never feel like I'm hanging out with
00:34:32.720
But but I also feel like because it's like in a way that like I feel like sometimes there's
00:34:38.400
Yeah, or there's not like because I feel like sometimes when people like, oh, I'm an ally
00:34:41.660
and I'm like, don't be bringing that straight ass shit over here.
00:34:44.700
And then like then like acting like trying to hold queer people to a straight standard.
00:34:50.120
If you're an ally, girl, you gonna see sometimes it's like going to the club.
00:34:53.860
You gonna see some shit that you you gonna see some shit.
00:34:56.660
Girl, if you're not ready for that and lock in, girl, girl, lock in and not saying that
00:35:00.640
like not saying that not saying that like it's giving crazy stuff that like you need to be
00:35:04.640
exposed to some kind of shit that's like dementing your life.
00:35:10.960
And it's like and to be an ally and like even when I come like this is the thing I was like
00:35:13.980
having a conversation about this like sometimes like with my family, my family is now so much
00:35:19.740
But I'm like before when I was growing up and I'm like I would invite them to like shows
00:35:23.540
and stuff I would do or I would invite them to like the club with me.
00:35:27.580
And sometimes they would not come and it's like giving.
00:35:30.820
I'm like, but when I'm at the house with y'all and the homies and everybody's chilling and we
00:35:35.020
watching boxing, I don't want to do that shit neither.
00:35:40.220
This is a weird culture for me, honey, but I'm in here and I'm doing it.
00:35:44.320
And so like my but my family will come and they come into my things.
00:35:47.160
I'm like, so it's like sometimes my brother, my brother came to Vegas for my birthday with
00:35:52.140
my mother and I was like, so I'm having a birthday party at this bar, Queen Bar.
00:36:01.820
But it was also the owner of Scruff was there and we're both Sages.
00:36:08.660
And because it was the owner of Scruff, it somehow morphed into like a circuit-y situation.
00:36:14.500
And so it's me in the backseat of my car looking back, explaining to my brother like, these are
00:36:20.920
And if you see anybody in the club sniffing things, that's not a drug.
00:36:30.640
And I'm like, and I'm like, and if somebody offers you some, that's not for you.
00:36:37.420
That you, I'm like, it's going to do nothing for you.
00:36:41.460
It's like, but you're like, it's like you come in that space and you're like, you know,
00:36:44.120
this is going to be, it's going to be another experience.
00:36:46.220
And I'm like, it's the same way when I'm there with y'all.
00:36:58.100
And that's why, even when I tell, when people are super homophobic or transphobic, I always
00:37:02.120
think like, I always go and look at like what they, how they kind of talk, how they operate,
00:37:06.540
And I'm like, you don't even know that half the shit you like, half the shit you say,
00:37:11.220
like the shit that you're interested in, all of that stems from the gay community.
00:37:16.000
I'm like, and sometimes you'll have people that are like, oh, I'm so sick of these drag
00:37:22.020
And I'm like, even going girl at the end of that.
00:37:24.460
And I'm like, you can't say that until you're sick of, these, girl, these gays are getting
00:37:37.760
Like from the swamps of Louisiana, literally even gay penguins in Antarctica, baby.
00:37:46.140
Every, every species, every, everything, every, everywhere, every, everywhere.
00:37:50.860
It's just like, that's one of those things where I'm like, you think gay people just popped
00:38:04.500
But we need to, we need to turn the gay down a little bit.
00:38:09.160
I always think too, that like when people have friend groups that have no variety at
00:38:14.400
all, I'm like, God, what do you guys talk about?
00:38:18.480
I'm like, literally I was about to ask you and I'm like, shut up.
00:38:24.320
When it's one of the same time, I'm like, nobody's the funny one.
00:38:38.540
Every, everybody's wearing boating shoes today.
00:38:57.160
I'm like giving frat boy at the gay club is crazy.
00:39:08.380
On every episode with any of my friends who are gay or drag queens or both.
00:39:13.160
I always tell them that the girls, the girls too, who like, cause you know, girls, some
00:39:18.260
pick me girls, like they're really in, they love a gay friend.
00:39:34.120
I could talk to someone for five minutes and I, I'd be like, I know for a fact you don't
00:39:38.120
And, and, or girl, you, you did it on that show.
00:39:52.020
You're pulling references of runways from where?
00:39:58.960
I know for a fact, like if I see people like who say that shit, I know for a fact that you
00:40:03.480
don't have any, yeah, you don't have any gay friends.
00:40:05.920
You don't interact with gay people ever, let alone drag queens.
00:40:08.920
And I was like, and I know for a fact if you did, they would fucking hate you.
00:40:13.300
I say, you're here with five women that are straight and you said you have all your friends
00:40:25.380
Trixie always makes that joke about girls, straight girls in the party city wigs at the drag brunch
00:40:34.640
And they're going at the party city wigs, like one's pink, one's purple, one's blue.
00:40:47.760
This is my, this is my, this is my favorite, this is my favorite straight woman in the universe
00:40:53.680
is the straight woman who is knocking over drinks and she is at the bar getting another
00:41:03.280
And while she's at the bar, while you're hosting, she's reaching over, grabbing you.
00:41:21.040
And I'm like, literally, she's like, girl, she's, she trusts me.
00:41:27.760
Or nobody at the table is getting entertained today.
00:41:30.380
Go back, your drunk ass back over there and sit down.
00:41:37.520
And you ain't even, and you ain't even gave a single yet.
00:41:41.120
They're the most high maintenance and grabby and tip the worst.
00:41:48.980
Hey, is anybody going to do Katy Perry tonight?
00:41:55.220
Everybody's taking, we're taking our titties out today, girl.
00:42:00.840
And no, no children are welcome at this brunch.
00:42:04.340
I've told people, I'm like, if you actually hung out with drag queens, you would kill yourself, mama.
00:42:09.060
They're going to be so mean to you, and you're going to hate it.
00:42:13.400
And we're going to hate you, too, if you don't know how to be mean back.
00:42:22.420
I'm like, some people that bring their friend around, they're like, she's so sweet.
00:42:29.820
I want your friend that if I'm walking and she go, girl, don't wear that again.
00:42:36.760
I was looking in the mirror, and I felt like this was ugly.
00:42:39.280
But I still was like, well, let's just get out and go.
00:42:42.280
And only one here is the straight girl with the nasty mouth that is good enough to tell you that what you're – when she say it, and you go, that's right.
00:42:52.060
And you look at your friends, look at all the gays with you and go, lying-ass bitches.
00:43:01.720
Then I'm like over off in the corner with the Drew, getting drunk now, avoiding all of my friends.
00:43:08.600
And then we probably might end up together at an afters.
00:43:18.180
To hijack another gay straight friend is insane.
00:43:22.380
And that's why I'm like, I am – they love a mean bitch.
00:43:26.720
I feel like your community – you're like not one gay's best straight girl.
00:43:35.760
Yeah, even when I was – I went on Trixie's podcast like two weeks ago or so, and she was like, I genuinely cannot believe you're straight every time I hang out with you.
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00:44:51.260
You have so much more – there's so much more color and laughter and fun and like vivid
00:44:57.360
like just experiences when you have gay people in your life.
00:45:03.540
It's like – I just feel like in general, in general, I'm like too much of the same
00:45:10.540
I'm like sometimes I'll like – there's even drag queens that are like, girl, I can't
00:45:25.600
And – or you're very scary and entertaining and I love that too and it's like you don't
00:45:32.480
It's like you want to – you want to collect – I feel like you want to collect experiences
00:45:36.420
and people and emotions and like – I don't – your life is boring if you just like all
00:45:43.520
Like the most homophobic and transphobic people in the world look like they have the most boring
00:45:52.400
Unfortunately, right now the Republican Natural Convention is in Milwaukee.
00:45:56.100
And I'm like, the number of burned out blonde units at that event is terrible.
00:46:05.240
But these are the people that are going, we don't like people with vivid personalities
00:46:13.380
And you also don't want – you don't want products either.
00:46:20.560
It's the same when they're like, oh, that's just – I could never wear that much makeup.
00:46:24.520
You give – I can never wear that much makeup.
00:46:36.660
Some people don't need – you don't – nobody needs makeup.
00:46:43.600
Even the energy, the energy is so ugly that it looks like it just pours.
00:46:47.820
I'm like – I got some friends with burnt-out wigs, and I'm burnt-out hair, too.
00:46:54.040
But the personality makes the hair shine and shine.
00:46:58.940
Girl, they got a 60-inch unit that's, like, perfectly made.
00:47:03.380
When you see them people, they, like, whistling at Trump and winking, and hair just burnt out
00:47:13.960
Of course you don't like anyone that looks different from you.
00:47:16.740
You don't like – I'm like, all of y'all are wearing business suits.
00:47:20.900
And, like, burnt-out hair, red suits, blue suits.
00:47:26.880
Did you ever see that video of these people that came from Canada?
00:47:32.220
And they came from Canada, but they were, like, down in, like, Florida, trying to, like,
00:47:38.980
Like, this person, like, was roasting them bad.
00:47:42.660
She said, did y'all want to come out here and tell people what she said?
00:47:49.540
Y'all all came – all you white people came down from Canada, and y'all didn't even bring
00:48:06.260
It was the video – I was like, are you serious?
00:48:09.280
And they just – oh, she's, like, shaming them.
00:48:10.840
She's like, you should have brought an umbrella.
00:48:21.980
It's funny, because this past weekend, I got into, like, some crazy, stupid Twitter beef
00:48:27.740
with this white girl that, like, just absolutely – she's, like, the misogynist pick-me to,
00:48:35.500
And her and I got into it, because she's a coward and tried to talk shit on me, thinking
00:48:41.580
Yeah, so we were going back and forth, and, like, she just kept attacking my looks.
00:48:45.540
And I have a rule that I don't attack the looks of women the same way I attack men,
00:48:53.420
So I was just, like – it's almost like I was, like, this is going to be way more interesting
00:48:57.340
if I just don't attack her looks, but I still drag the fucking lace off this bitch.
00:49:02.420
So I literally – she kept calling me fat and ugly and whatever.
00:49:05.920
And then I told her – I was, like, you know what's funny is a direct descendant of
00:49:10.700
cousin fucker bloodlines is never going to make me feel bad about my looks, bitch.
00:49:18.840
And it's, like, some of these people that will be – it's, like, giving.
00:49:23.680
It's, like, I don't want to come at your education either, because I also don't want to do that.
00:49:31.980
Then also it's, like, giving – you can't even have an intellectual – that's what I –
00:49:36.120
again, that's why I love gays and people who have nasty mouths and hang with gays.
00:49:40.100
If it's giving, then you are, like – it's giving.
00:49:42.880
I'm not going to sit here and go, you're fat or you're skinny or you're ugly.
00:49:46.620
It's giving – I can – I'm going to read you intelligently.
00:49:49.380
I'm going to say something that you're going to go back and you're going to have to read
00:49:51.840
this four times before you even understood that, like, you were taken apart.
00:49:58.600
Sometimes when I fuck people up, they're like, oh, you've missed this.
00:50:09.180
You've got to say something they're never expecting.
00:50:17.720
Like, I'll tell people what they look like they do.
00:50:21.080
I told the guy, I was like, don't you have used Toyotas to sell?
00:50:27.740
I told somebody he looks like he sells security systems.
00:50:30.620
Don't you have content to make in the back of their truck that you're driving across
00:50:34.960
Don't you have a security system to sell door-to-door?
00:50:40.600
Anyone out there, I'm looking for a door-to-door security salesperson.
00:50:48.620
This one girl, the girl that kept trying to attack me, she kept leaning on this.
00:50:54.120
I was like, you're going to this well too many times, bitch.
00:50:56.260
But she kept calling me Fiona from Shrek over and over again.
00:51:00.320
And I said, comparing me to Fiona is crazy because, one, she also has a man, and we know where
00:51:06.700
And then, two, she chose to be an ogre over a white woman.
00:51:24.020
Her and her husband stood up against gentrification.
00:51:43.120
Do you know how many other creatures and shit that live in that environment, that if they
00:51:46.800
would have tore that down, would have been displaced?
00:51:49.820
Do you know the ecosystem would have collapsed?
00:51:53.660
And you know when they moved them out, they were coming for the trees.
00:52:19.100
She told me, she's like, can you afford a personal trainer?
00:52:23.720
And then I said, I actually have one built into my man.
00:52:38.820
Well, she had pretended she didn't know who I was, but she didn't realize that, first
00:52:46.600
So I, she doesn't know that I remembered that she had reached out to fly me out.
00:52:51.820
Like, and I literally told her, I said, oh, you, I said, you're talking about me.
00:52:54.740
You don't know me, but you offered to fly me out like a fucking city girl.
00:53:02.340
When me and Heidi do our podcast and she's like, she's like, oh, cause this boy, he was
00:53:13.140
You know what I'm giving this, giving that tease.
00:53:14.580
Like giving, I know for a fact you're watching what she's doing now, honey.
00:53:18.380
And so I posted that and I said, you can't, you literally can't afford me, bitch.
00:53:30.860
She's mad at me because I didn't respond to her whack ass fucking offer.
00:53:38.020
I don't know where the fuck she lives, but she was trying to fly me to, she was, well,
00:53:44.080
She was going to, she was trying to fly me out to Dubai, girl.
00:53:55.960
Cause if I go to Dubai, I'm going to have to go in a closet.
00:54:00.380
Wait, I want to ask about your podcast before we get to the end.
00:54:02.740
So like how, how did you come about the podcast?
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It's like me and Heidi, she's a girl that I didn't like on my season at first.
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Cause I thought she didn't like me and I was wrong.
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And then like, and on the first episode I like gave her, they like rank the girls who you
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And so, but then we were doing the challenge and she was fucking hilarious.
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And like, we like kind of bonded over the season.
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We all, we both were in the bottom on the same episode.
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And then the gag was I won season 12 and then she won Miss Congeniality.
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And so like, we were like super close and we would spend a lot of time together, like
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And then I would go to her house all the time and we'd like chill and be smoking and
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And then, so I like made a tweet, let's do a podcast and like Alaska and Willem were
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like, we would love to have y'all do a podcast with us if y'all want to.
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We like talk to like all sorts of people, walks of life.
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We have like, um, we had somebody come about hair, a hairstylist.
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And I, I think what I love the most about, especially, uh, drag Queens like you who
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And I feel like your talents expand far past drag too.
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Like you could, you could do all kinds of things.
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And that's one of our favorite, one of our favorite things we say.
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I'm like, girl, we, we're fucking sexy podcasters.
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And the gag, the craziest part is, is like, because me growing up a black feminine boy,
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And like for her too, she would feel like people judge you off the way you sound, the
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And I'm like, now people come to flock to hear my voice.
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I'm like, so to all the people that go, you sound like a girl.
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Oh, I'm going to sound like a girl that's getting paid, mama.
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It is giving, but I hope your kids are doing well and tell your baby mom I say hi.
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I would love to know what's the, what's the, been the best part about like, now that you
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have your so successful career and you got to do, we're here and you're doing the podcast
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and like, what's been the best part about like getting to build a platform and like
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I really feel like the best part of like having a platform is like the people, to be honest.
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I feel like, cause I'm a very emotional person, but I'm like, I feel like I'm an empath too
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It's like, there's this video where I was shooting this thing in New York with this brand
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And so we took a little break and I was like sitting off to the side and this, um, I don't
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even know how they identified, just this queen on the streets was like, no fucking way.
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What you do for people, the space you make for people is so beautiful.
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And she's like talking to the brand was like, we, we felt like you were perfect for us.
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We wanted to like, like I was talking about like being a queen and what that feels like.
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And like, and like then have this moment in front of these people that hired me to like,
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But then it's like for myself, I'm like, then that same day I'd like leave the work.
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And then my friend, which was fierce because I have a friend, he works at the Four Seasons.
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So he was giving me like a cute little like hookup for a massage, but I went to the wrong
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And so I'm like kind of frustrated, like, oh my God, walking down the street.
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She was this woman, just woman, black woman, beautiful on the streets.
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I just want to tell you, thank you for what you do for us.
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I'm like, girl, how like lucky am I that just by existing and being here and walking
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and doing what I'm doing, I think we all should be able to do that.
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But that people give me flowers or tell me they think I'm beautiful.
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And I don't take that for granted because I know so many people in my life that are stunning,
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And then sometimes I'm the only friend that they have that will tell them that.
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And so I'm like, it's crazy that I get to live a life where people tell me how much
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they appreciate me, validate me, make me, give space to me.
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So I'm like, the biggest part of what I do is that I get to connect with people,
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that I get to come onto a space like this, do a podcast, meet dope people.
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Again, you even give me flowers and appreciate what I'm doing.
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And I feel like as long as I'm able to do my job,
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and even if it's not doing drag, as long as I have the opportunity to be able to like
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have this platform and connect with people and meet people and make space for them,
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And I'm going to keep doing it and doing it and doing it well.
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Well, I do want to say too, period, that you are so important and so necessary.
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And I feel like you have been around for a while, like in the drag world for a while,
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but past that you've been able to transcend like outside of just the drag world.
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Because it is, the drag world now is so mainstream, but it hasn't always been that way.
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And so you've been able to transcend and basically build like a bridge for people who maybe
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had never heard of it or maybe were never exposed to it, but now they've grown this love for it.
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But past that, just how you present to the world and represent the many different marginalized groups
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But that's what I was literally saying for you, even this space and like the fact that
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there's not a lot of straight people saying like I'm going to be making space for other queer people
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and allowing them to tell their stories and make, that's also important.
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And like when we did like press for We're Here and like we were talking about like what it means
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to like really be a real ally. And like Latrice was like, you got to really pull up.
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And I'm like, that's what you do. And that is as almost as important as being queer
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and being myself. It's like for somebody to saying like, I'm a straight woman.
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I'm also saying that this is okay. And I'm also letting y'all see where y'all might not see this
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through any other way. I'm going to give you a lens to that.
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So what you do is major important too. And thank you so much for like my, and I'm like, also my sisters
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would not fuck with you if you were not that girl. So I'm like, it's giving.
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You said I picked that meme with a giving tree.
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I don't know. I've said my, the highest compliments for me are from any of my gay friends, my drag
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friends or anyone in between anyone outside of a cis straight person. If they tell me that
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I'm funny, that I'm beautiful, I'm like, period, period.
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That's like the highest compliment to me. I'm like, no one can tell me shit.
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No one can tell me shit. Oh, can't touch me. But I'm so grateful to have you on the
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show. I'm grateful that you exist in the space. I'm grateful we exist at the same time.
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Literally, we are existing in this space at the same time and off camera, I want your
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We have to kick it. And you said you smoke. I love smoking.
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And then also then you'll be leeching off my weed and that's going to be a problem.
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Okay, just to wrap, what would you say is your best piece of advice for anyone in the
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community that maybe not even necessarily wants to do drag, but even if they do, just
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someone who maybe wants to be in entertainment, maybe feels a little afraid to be themselves.
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Like you said, even some of the drag girls, when they're getting started, they're like,
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I'm like, I think it's a very hard thing to do even for myself.
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I feel like even probably for you, it's a constant battle where it's like I know the
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things people say don't matter about you, but then you still might find yourself in
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And you think about it, but it's like realistically, I'm like, if we all understand and know how
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beautiful we are when we are our own selves, oh my God, that would be so fierce.
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And I think that just, and the crazy thing is, is like you don't, some of us, we don't
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Even when I think about when I first started drag, my drag persona, young, ridiculous,
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sometimes not really the most put together, but was confident enough to bring me to who
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And I am not that person at all anymore, but we continually change and I think give ourselves
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permission to be ourselves and change and do what we want.
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If today you decide, you know, I want to like, even if you, even if you, you feel like you
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might be queer or you, there's something that's like, go out on a limb and make space
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for you to make space for you, you know, make space for you to be yourself, make space to
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grow and evolve and learn who you are and discover yourself.
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And if you, and that's, if that's drag, if that's wanting to do a podcast, if that's
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wanting to be a Brianna, whatever you do, you literally, you cannot do that without being
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And I'm like, even like with this, with this kind of career, I've like had the opportunity
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And I'm like, all the ones that are all my favorite people that I have met that, that
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I felt like they were my favorite people before I met them.
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And when I meet them in person, you see the personality is so magical in the same and it's
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I'm like, there's already like, everybody is so uniquely themselves and that's the
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most, the most beautiful thing about you is, is who you are because that's unique.
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Like I would, one person for an example for that, like, I'll say like Cardi B.
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When I saw her on the show, I'm like, oh, she's hilarious.
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You know, and I'm like her personality, like, I'm kind of like glad that like my success
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kind of almost like started happening like around when stuff started happening for her
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I would watch her on the show and like, I'm from the hood too.
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And the way I'm like, I was so insecure about the way I speak and the way I sound.
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And then you think like, because where I'm from and the way I talk, I might not be able
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And then when you see her be herself and she's like just going places and people appreciating
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her being real, I was like, oh my God, I can, I'm like, it was giving more like, let's
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off the whiz, you know, when they start stripping out, I'm like, everybody wake up.
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I can, the girl, I'm like, be you, however you are.
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If some people ain't going to get it, that's not for them to get.
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Her personality, like the way she talks, everything.
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That's like everyone's favorite part about her.
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Well, you can find me across all social media platforms at Jada E. Hall.
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I still say go watch, if you didn't see me on Drag Race already, go watch the episodes.
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Watch both of my episodes on All-Star 7, season 12.
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You can catch me and Heidi Hall in Closet, too.
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I feel like that's one of the most important TV shows on television right now.
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Thank you so much for watching this episode of the comment section show.
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