I LOVE TUNA MELTS. Ft. Hayley Kiyoko ｜ Episode 226
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Summary
In this episode of the Comment Section Show, we are joined by the legendary Hailey Koyoko to discuss her new film Girls Like Girls, the upcoming release of which is the most important project of her life, and the importance of pride month.
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are we twins i'm freaked if i got my hair blonde you better watch out
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hey everyone and welcome back to another episode of the comment section show sorry me your favorite
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everybody knows me who cares about me on to the guest today we have the iconic the legendary
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lesbians let me fucking hear you hailey kyoko oh my god i could hear the lesbians screaming
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they're they're strapping up and they're ready to go i honestly i've been conquering lesbian
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mountain lately like i just had lucy dacus on oh my gosh you're just taking us one like thanos
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i'm taking a one by one collecting y'all i love it i'm so honored to have you here thank you thank
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you so much for coming thank you before we jump into it okay i do have to tell you something
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because there has been a running bit about you but not at expense oh my gosh what's been happening
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behind my back it will be at the expense of my lesbian sister dayson she's not here
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currently but i do have to tell you because i've talked about it on the show for now years
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that you were my sister's lesbian awakening if you can believe it from lemonade mouth wow yeah
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she was really into that movie and it was very confusing to me at the time because she hated
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musicals and she didn't really care for the music so i was kind of confused i was like why do you
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love this movie so much because she'd be gay yeah she'd be gay wow as hell her name's dason her
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name's dason yes love you dason determinate be heard be strong be proud and i did ask her for
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her permission to bring it up to you wow and she said yes and then she said i'm glad i'm not gonna
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be there for when she was normally she's at every recording i do oh my gosh so i really yeah so i
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had to get this out of the way wow yeah i had to tell you that thanks for breaking the ice you're
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pivotal in her awakening and i'm grateful to you because i'm really glad my sister's gay thank god
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yeah that's thank god for you there's only room for one straight girl and i filled the shoes we
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can only have one yeah we can only have in the family yeah but i'm honored to have you you are
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ledge thank you so much and i really want to get into what you've been up to lately because
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obviously you have some really exciting project coming out soon yeah it's basically the most
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important project of my life yes it's called girls like girls yes the movie the movie the one the
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only the one the only I was saying earlier like it's so weird I don't recommend working on
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something for over 10 years you don't think no I literally look insane but it's been 10 years
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of trying you know girls like girls came out in 2015 it was a song a music video I wanted it to
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be a film it wasn't working out I wrote into a book and um and then years years later it got
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greenlit and now the movie is going to be in theaters which I also when we were shooting this
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movie I was like I hope someone sees this film even the lead actress was like I don't I like
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where is it gonna be I was like I have no idea and so to actually like be in movie theaters
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nationwide June 19th is it's mind-blowing and to be able to know that we're like weeks out it's such
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a odd feeling yeah I'm sure it's like it's been something I've been working on for so long that
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i haven't been able to share with people and so now i'm just giving it i'm giving it away yeah
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to the next generation does it feel like completing the circle a little bit totally
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it feels like i'm completing the circle and also like start like people were like oh does it feel
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like the end and i'm like no it really feels like the beginning because i've just been desperately
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wanting a film like this to exist and like right how come it takes 10 years to get a film made
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like this no for two girls falling in love ending in hope and um and i've like thinking about being
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able to buy tickets to go see a movie like this in theaters to see myself like represented having
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two asian leads and like all of it there's a lot going on and it's api month and it's a look at us
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it's pride month yeah it's right there's a lot going on there is so much happening and all at
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the perfect time i know and it's so funny because like some people would be like oh like you're so
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niche or like what you do is so niche and i'm like how is it so niche we got asian americans which
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are like predominantly everywhere right we've got queers we've got women it's like this is
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mainstream yeah i was like girls is mainstream yeah what are you talking about we need this
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especially i feel like uh girls like girls the music video i feel like has had a resurgence with
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younger gays the new generation of gays in the last like five years so if anyone needs it it's
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that totally and it's it's been really wild to meet people because i didn't realize how young
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my fan base was when I released the music video in 2015 like some of them were nine like they come
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up to me they're they're like 19 or 20 and they're like oh I watched that music video when I was nine
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years old which is crazy which is so crazy that's insane and um and so it's just like it's so I'm so
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excited for the new generation to get to experience it and also like have every generation experience
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it like even I was saying like even though it's called girls like girls it's such a universal
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story because whether you're straight or queer every single person has had that experience where
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you've had to go up to someone and be like do you like me or not right is this going somewhere or
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not right which is terrifying that feeling of being like either like happy or obliterated and
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like getting your heart broken yeah everyone's experienced that especially at that age where
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you're like everything is life or death yeah you're 17 you're like I'm gonna marry this person
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like everything is the most serious thing in the entire world yeah i think that's beautiful thank
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you so that's like the experience of girls like girls when they see it's like they are young but
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like it's through the lens of more of a mature lens because when you're 17 you think you're 35
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yeah it's true like you literally feel like this is it yeah do you ever get questions like that
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from younger people especially when they're like i feel like i'm so far behind i feel like and
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they're like 19 years old and you're like oh my god you have so much time well my lead actress
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Maya DeCosta was 18 when we shot this movie oh my gosh and I I felt ancient I'm not old but I felt
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ancient and I was like don't worry yeah I felt like the classic person of like you know things
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will work out and once you turn 30 things will start getting clearer you know which is yeah
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10 years 10 years plus away from you give yourself about 10 more years you'll figure it out
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well this is like okay so this project is huge obviously but it's also like a directorial debut
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directorial so I would love to know like how how was it directing how was it like existing in that
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art form making your own piece of art it was like coming home I have been fighting so hard to just
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be able to have an opportunity to do what I thought I would love to do and to be able to do it and be
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like oh my gosh this is it yeah has been amazing because I've you know I grew up acting I did
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lemonade mouth you know and i also was a musician and i realized i'm a storyteller i like building
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worlds and so to be able to have the opportunity to build a world and cast and also like write the
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music and have an album coming out inspired by the film like all the things that i've grown up
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loving to do i get to do all at once as a director and so it really feels like i'm coming home and i
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finally found oh my gosh this is what i want to do forever like really this yeah like this is it
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like i want to make hopeful queer content i want to direct films direct tv shows and then i want
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to write music for those projects and i'm like that's it how is the the preparation process does
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it differ from like directing versus like writing an album or even acting like is the process
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completely different is it one in the same how does it feel for you it's so different yeah i mean
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for i mean also just as the creator and the director it's like the process of just finding
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someone to finance the film people believing in the project believing in you like that was the
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first seven years of the journey yeah and then to be able to get on set all of a sudden you have 50
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plus people who are uh professionals in their individual line of work yeah and then you know
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i don't think people understand and honestly i didn't really understand how involved the director
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is like yeah the spoon that you see on screen that was a decision yeah like the napkin like we
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would be i'd be making so many decisions on set yeah and people be like do you want this glass
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or this glass yeah this is this and it's just like yeah and also too when you're making a movie
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this size you've got 23 days 23 24 days yeah and so a lot of the times you have like five or 10
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minutes to get a shot yeah and every second counts every second every single second you were rolling
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and it's so wild like some of my most favorite scenes of the movie when like coley's just like
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typing and like on her am and stuff like that are my favorite scenes and she had like 10 minutes to
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do like three of those and it was just so wild because you just as an audience member you don't
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get to see any of that and you don't really know how um intense that is and that's what makes
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actors incredible because yeah they are having to perform at such a high level with so much going on
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yeah yeah in such a condensed time frame and space so it's definitely different like when i'm writing
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an album like you are on your own time time isn't money to a degree right you could be writing music
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and then scrap the whole thing and start over and what i learned about films is what makes the
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miracles is you have to make the best film possible with the time that you're given yeah and the tools
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that you're given totally that is the challenge and when you're doing an album you you can start
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over as many times as you want that's so and so with the movies you can't and it's like it is what
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it is and then you're trying to improve it or adjust with the time that you're given yeah and
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it's just like a ticking clock of like when you turn it in that's so interesting to think about
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too i i feel like well i love that you talked about world building i think that's so wonderful
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did you like did you watch anything or find yourself consuming anything when you were like
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preparing for to make this movie like anything that helped you build your own world like in
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your own head or were you kind of just blank slate i want to build from scratch i mean i had seven
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years to like really marinate on what the world was going to be yeah when i the movie actually
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got greenlit I actually didn't consume art I stayed very focused and I was also similar to
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albums like a lot of times you'll listen to music for influence yeah but then when you're actually
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writing the album you're only focused on yeah you don't want to outside influence right and so I
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think it's similar when you're preparing for the film because you're you're trying to build a world
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that you haven't seen before and it's like what does this look like and again what's so crazy is
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you also don't pick your location I don't know if you know this but like I mean I'm sure like
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I'm sure like Marvel movies I can you know but like for movies like mine you know you are kind
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of like assigned a location depending on tax credits and whatever and so get this I'm on this
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journey and I get a call and they're like hey we're going to shoot this movie in Kelowna Canada
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have you heard of it have you heard of Kelowna I've not yeah nobody's heard of I do know a lot
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of people film in Canada though yeah yeah so it's east of Vancouver and most people don't know about
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it yeah and I'm like are you kidding me my grandparents are buried there and I grew up
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going to Kelowna Canada oh my god what are the odds oh the universe it's so powerful do it I
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literally had I was like oh I got chills I was like are you kidding and I hadn't been there since
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pre-pandemic when my grandparents were alive and they're also a big part of this journey has been
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connecting to my Japanese side and it's my my mom's side which is my Japanese side yeah and so
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I'm literally on this tiny rickety plane landing in Kelowna Canada on this small airport yeah where
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my grandpa used my grandma and grandpa used to pick me up we shot the movie like two streets
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down from my grandparents house what the hell it was like out of everywhere in the movie set in
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Oregon but like out of everywhere in the world yeah for that to happen and to have like this
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homecoming yeah it it definitely like people go you know timing is everything trust the process
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right and you know year after year this movie was not getting made it was so hard to like
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hold on to that light right and so for that to happen i was like oh my god oh my god so spiritual
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and that is i was like i'm not a religious person but i'm starting god like i literally was that's
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the gayest thing about your movie it's the spirituality of that if you really think about
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it yeah only lesbian movie could be made that way exactly i have the lesbian like magic
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that is true looking out looking out isn't that freaky oh my gosh yeah that is crazy
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i still have chills like low-key thinking about it i still have chills so i think that's so
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powerful that's so incredible yeah how was it uh in the casting process for your movie
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like being able to cast the two leads the coolest it's so wild and i mean you've written in book
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too and but like when you're like envisioning characters it it was so interesting to be you
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know prepping for this film and being like there's a girl out there that is living and has no idea
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that she's going to be the lead of my film which is so fun you know and I'm like who is she what
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does she look like where does she live yeah and so it was such a beautiful experience we had over
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4,000 tapes come in, and Maya DaCosta, who plays the lead,
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Coley, she was actually the very first tape I watched.
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and they were like, oh, we just got a bunch of tapes,
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where she was doing this scene in Sonia's bedroom,
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And I like all of a sudden saw the whole movie around her
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Yeah, how did it feel getting to cast Asian women specifically?
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And how beautiful to be able to cast people who look like you, especially people like us growing up the media we've been fed and consumed like hardly ever do they look like us.
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It was so healing because she got to play a role that I dreamed of of getting an opportunity.
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Like I dreamed of getting like an email saying like half Asian.
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Yeah, exactly. To the T. Yeah. And I never got it.
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And so to be able to give that space and opportunity
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what life's all about is like being able to help people
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I'm like I'm writing right now I'm in the process of writing fiction books oh cool yeah but I'm
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writing like fantasy romance kind of deal but it's I'm basing it like the the themes in it are
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like Polynesian like mythological lore I'm already I've already bought it right I was literally when
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I was writing and as I was like writing it with because I'm writing it with someone um and she's
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black and she's like Jamaican so we were talking a lot about characters what they look like that
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kind of thing my goal is to get it made into something 100 eventually well I was thinking
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guess what no whiteys yeah not in my book nowhere to be seen nowhere to be found girl sorry and if
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they are I'm gonna kill them oh my god I'm kidding I can't wait to read this book I'm so excited
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I'm like when I sound like a horror film oh my god when I cast everyone I'm like everybody's
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gonna look just like me everyone's gonna look like me and I think it's a beautiful thing well
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And that's what's been so beautiful about this journey.
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got me one step closer to my authentic truth and yeah and having a half asian lead and that looked
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like me and reflected who i was and that's been a journey for me as well is embracing my um my
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culture and my background and um i think it's been really cool that the fans have gotten to see that
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evolution as i've gotten closer to my authentic truth and as i've gotten closer to my confidence
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like I remember singing girls like girls in 2015 for 15 people in Michigan and there was no green
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room and I'm like sitting in a minivan like in the back and I remember singing girls like girls
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and I'd be like shaky I'd be like girls like girls like like looking around seeing like if
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there was any homophobic people and right to come 11 years later to be able to be on stage knowing
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that I've waved the rainbow flag to thousands and thousands of people and I can sing that song
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with absolute confidence I think that also kind of mirrors the journey of Girls Like Girls and
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the evolution from the song to the music video totally to the book now the film well and I want
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to rewind to Girls Like Girls like the the out or the music video and the track itself like
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the inception of it like why did it feel important to put it out at the time you did because you're
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right at the time it was nowhere near where media is now especially with the acceptance of gay people
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and if you can even call it that at this point yeah i mean we've kind of we're kind of back at
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the same right exactly so it's like but art persists right and art and art is driven on
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the shoulders of gay people and and women and most often times so like how was that putting
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it out at the time like why did you feel it was important to put it out at that time i think
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anything important is kind of scary right and it was very scary i'd finished my ep the side of
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Paradise and last minute I decided to put Girls Like Girls on and that was the
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first song I had co-written where I came out to the songwriters and I'm like I
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remember Lily my co-writer was like what is the thing that you're most scared of
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and I like cried to her and I was like okay and she was like well let's write a
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song about it and I was like I wish I was confident I wish I could steal a
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girl I wish I could do this and so the song Girls Like Girls is actually really
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cocky and I wasn't that at the time yeah and so it was almost like manifesting
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what I wish I who I wish I was at that time and and then here I am now very
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confident yeah about being a lesbian hell yeah so sometimes you have to like
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convince yourself that when you don't you when you aren't that person yet
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absolutely you know yeah fake it till you make it kind of do exactly and
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honestly and you made it girl period thank god i made it to the other side of the rainbow
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thank god i'm here when my sister my sister is obviously as i said a lesbian but when before
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she was like i don't know yeah i think i think i'm a lesbian even though the only serious
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relationship she ever had was a woman at the time i think after a while like a couple years ago we
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were talking about it and i told her honestly i think you are a lesbian and i think i think you
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self you diagnosed yeah i was like i think you're a lesbian i think we should stop pretending i think
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it's over for you and then she like laughed and she was like yeah you're right because i was like
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yeah i was like there's only room for for one straight annoying girl i took that right so
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unfortunately you have to be a lesbian now it's the law i love that yeah so i'm i'm really happy
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that she is honestly she's made me cooler and that's how i feel about you i feel that way about
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most lesbians honestly like the my friend caleb describes lesbians as the purest of us all which
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i agree i agree and i feel like i feel like lesbians are so obviously so removed from male
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validation for so long and they're on that tip way sooner than many many many other people so i feel
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like that's why i gravitate towards lesbians specifically that's the truth that's why i'm
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conquering lesbian mountain that's the whole truth yeah we're already at the top we're at the top
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that's why i met you up here that's all i was like and i honestly i was just joking about this
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the other day with my friend because i was telling them how first of all my gay friends forget i'm
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not gay quite often and i know it's because i'm not annoying so i take it as a compliment i really
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do i take it as the highest yeah but specifically with lesbians i'm like i've told my girlfriends
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who are like token straights like that's me i'm like you should wear it as a badge of honor
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lesbians are notoriously picky they are very are on who they like and we have a small group yes
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they're very very picky and if they think you're funny and they think you're cool take your chips
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i'm learning a lot about myself yeah i'm telling you i i and honestly like that's why i want to
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talk to you about that specifically because i really do feel like you were one of the first
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people i saw consistently talking about how important it was to be authentically who you are
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and i think it's a beautiful thing and i think you being so young at the time that that song in
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that music video came out it makes you so incredibly courageous to me and i think that's
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you so powerful the fact that it's had standing power for this long I mean it's proof obviously
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that you're so brave and important but I just have to give you your flowers for that moment
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I think it's imperative thank you so much especially at the time yeah I mean it was
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when I'm going back to what we were talking about releasing the music video was really scary because
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no one want raised their hand to premiere it and that's when I knew I had something special
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because nobody wanted to be a part of it they were all afraid of your genius they were just
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scared of the storyline to be honest and so that really shows the evolution right and i ended up
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releasing it a couple days before same-sex marriage became legalized in the country and so
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there was a lot of really interesting and then it was like we're leading into the first trump era
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there was a lot going on during that time yeah but you know the reason girls like girls exists
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is because i i needed i needed that kind of music video i needed to be able to watch something and
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see two girls falling in love and and making out and like i needed that representation and so i
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think as creatives and artists and people we tend to try to take up the space that we wish we had
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represented yeah growing up totally and i i was lucky enough to see a screener of said yes yes i
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i was lucky that i was lucky enough and i'm not going to spoil anything but i will say there are
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are many parallels between said movie and music video for the fans for all the fans who are
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excited it's even better also you have a little cameo love look at that you're making it bigger
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i'm literally in the movie for a point well i noticed one half seconds so clearly that shoot
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was so crazy i was like wait i have to be in it you forgetting i should probably be in yeah i was
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like but yeah okay so i i have seen it i don't want to spoil anything oh wait this makes it so
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much more fun yeah but I do want to say though that I would love to know what you hope people
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take away from it like what you hope people after they watch the film like what do you hope they
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leave with if anything well I definitely recommend seeing it in theaters because I really hope that
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anyone that goes to see this movie in theaters feels the love and support from their community
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wherever they live yeah knowing that those people showed up that's a safe space for them
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um but i hope people feel seen and i hope they feel seen by others or themselves um self-love
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understood and represented i hope they they feel powerful to to chase their dreams and and live
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their authentic truth and i think that's what girls like girls has been for me is like it's
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been a journey i haven't always been accepting of myself i haven't always felt like self-love
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and self-worth and you see coley's character going through that and we have a lot of parallels
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yeah um she's a fictional character but like a lot of what she goes through is what i went through
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when i fell in love and was saying olive juice to my crush and all these things and so i hope people
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just i hope it's just like a big hug and people feel like they have their cup full you know and
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they're able to chase their dreams like to know that i i survived 10 plus years of nose yeah and
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And even self-love can feel absolutely impossible.
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Because we have so many wonderful films that cover other subjects and validates trauma.
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But we also just need some lightheartedness and queer joy.
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There's just as much beauty as there is trauma.
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And I've said this many times, a world without gay people is a world I do not want to live in.
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is that it's even when your music video and the track came out was at such a tumultuous time
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like politically and now your film's coming out at another tumultuous time but it's imperative
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like it's imperative that queer art persists and continues to be loved supported and made
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even in the face of adversity which is like unfortunately a hallmark of being queer in the
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anywhere in the world but I just think it's so important that a movie like this comes out now
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thank you and the coloring is also fantastic I think it's so cute in summary you love the world
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I love I love that it very warm tone yeah very warm that's kind of my vibe I like people to feel
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safe watching like you know plot lines that are kind of like quite tense and yeah um you're on
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the edge of your seat and I just I love feeling safe honestly and I feel like warm tones even
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like if it's a cool night summer scene it's still warm absolutely so that was definitely a combo I
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had with all my um hod's on set is like it's in 2006 but we're not like shoving it down people's
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like you know throats like it's like we're in 06 but it's also nostalgic it's timeless
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and i don't want it to be distracting to the story because beautiful it's really about the
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two girls yeah absolutely i think that's very evident first off but i am so excited for everybody
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to see i don't want to say too much anymore i feel like i'm gonna spoil it but i said too much
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we haven't even said anything at all it feels like we've said a lot though even yeah and even
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so I will say too on a somewhat serious note my sister has told me many times that the hardest
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person to come out to was herself and that's kind of a theme I feel like in this movie especially
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was she she's talked quite frequently with me at length about how like she was the hardest person
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to come out to even though even if you do have an unfortunate coming out experience with someone
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else like herself was the hardest person and that's the theme 100% agree I definitely feel
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like that was my journey as well it's like you are your hardest critic yeah and you hold yourself
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back and so you you follow two characters and the other character Sonia played by Myra Malloy
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she you you're watching her struggle and she's really holding herself back yeah even though
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there's so much societal pressures and kind of like almost an unspoken thing like I grew up in
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Los Angeles yeah I had such a hard time being gay like I knew I was a lesbian since I was like six
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yeah and I grew up in LA yeah you know and so it just says so much about society and like being
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able to read a children's book and seeing two moms like there's so much lack of representation that
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we're slowly getting better at but all of those little pieces play a role play a role of the
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narrative of who you're supposed to be even if you're surrounded by people that you know might
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be accepting yourself as you know yeah the heart the one yeah the one that you have to break through
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and you definitely see that with coley yeah her journey totally and navigating that with sonia
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yeah and i think there was no one better to tell the story than you i'll be honest no one better
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than to tell her story i was like i have to tell this i was like if i can't tell this story no one
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can because this is so hard it's so hard to get a movie made like it's just you're just knocking
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on so many doors and i'm just like focus features has been amazing and so supportive and again like
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going back to the parallels of the music video people not raising their hands to then being
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able to have the opportunity to be in theaters so please go see it yeah because like all of our
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shows get canceled right like the suffix we're we need representation no for real we don't have
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and consistent representation mind you exactly i agree it shouldn't be every 10 years or no like
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only getting one season of anything i agree so we have to show up for you know and and show hollywood
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that we exist and we're not just niche we're we're mainstream yeah hello are you kidding
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everywhere the gays are everywhere and you want the gays to support you you need to make gay things
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yes hello yes also you did mention uh to pivot to queer joy you did mention you're engaged
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I get why, you know, when people get engaged or they get married, they're like always posting
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You're just like, oh, my God, this is so cool that we're getting to do this like societal
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traditional norm that we don't even really like care about.
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care about or like align with you know what I mean like we never like it was never like we have to
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get married but there was a moment where I was like I want to ring on my finger and I want to
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like get to do the things that other people get to do that's exactly how I felt and I want us to
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like make it our own and like do it the way we want to do it and so it's been so it was so cool
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to get to propose to her and have her propose to me she surprised me in Japan and like oh my gosh
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i love japan obviously it's like my dream and um yeah it's just been a really cool beautiful season
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oh my gosh how's wedding planning been going for you it's been non-existent yeah currently that's
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how i was when did you get engaged uh uh well i proposed to her in july and then she proposed
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to me in december so i would say july love okay tea that's i've been engaged for two years my
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wedding's coming up this year oh my gosh exciting yeah so i get it like i was like i'm cool to chill
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here yeah we love being engaged i also have like the movie coming out yes like once i get through
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girls like girls universe yeah then we'll start good chill being yeah we're still having convos
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but we're not in a rush and that's how i feel i just love the engagement season it's it's so fun
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it's so fun it's always like this old thing oh wait let me see your ring yeah i've seen it
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oh that wait wait hold on let me see princess cut okay t look at us but it's slightly different
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but they're both squares but mine's on the side oh t it's like a trois mois is it kind of like
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it's called an asher cut um east west that's beautiful you're that's beautiful thank you
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yeah we're twinsies look at us literally oh my gosh can you believe a man picked this out
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he did an incredible job i know that's a good find sometimes i know especially when only women
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can do that that's what i agree there are so many things that i know women can do good one yeah for
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real honestly yeah i did because i when i got engaged a lot of people were like oh you picked
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such a beautiful ring i think it's because it's i wouldn't be surprised that most women are like
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this is the exact ring i want right i didn't look at anything i didn't look at cuts that's fun i just
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knew like the year because we'd been together for seven years and then we got engaged oh my god
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same no way oh my god oh my god i'm gonna pull up my feet yeah i'm freaked if i got my hair blonde
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you better watch out I'm coming for me I'm gonna adopt a real you kind of thing going on
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well yeah I when I got I'm so excited thank you look at us year seven look at us but I I was
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never in a rush just like you yeah I felt the same way about especially about I feel like most
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marriage anything is within white organized religion it's just so traditional yeah I know
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that's how i felt too so even our wedding is super non-traditional in the way that we're doing
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almost everything because i just don't want any of the i just want to get married and i feel like
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you feel that way too like i'm very excited to get married and i want to do the dress and i want
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to do the the ceremony and all that but there's many things i cut because i was like nah don't
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eat it yeah well i think i think the perspective that you when you find your person and your
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partner and you're starting to build a life you realize you're like oh my gosh every single
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generation every single person has been trying to build the life that they wanted to build
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whether it was big or small yeah whether they ended up staying exactly the way their parents
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were or branched off yeah it's like you're always trying to make it your own yeah it just goes back
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to constantly trying to just evolve as people yeah i agree because even at the beginning of
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planning like when we were like thinking about the wedding as a concept yeah i was like i guess
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i'll do like a semi big wedding yeah like what do i want yeah and i was thinking about inviting
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people and then i was thinking about seating people and i was like that makes me want to die
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i don't want to do that i don't want to do that so i like completely changed my entire wedding
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because i was like no one talks about how embarrassing it is to get married in front of
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people oh yeah i mean i don't i've never done it so yeah me either so that's why but i'm just
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at the thought of like telling him my innermost feelings and like my uncle's right there yeah
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right totally yeah that actually is quite weird so i was like we're doing private vows we're
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gonna do private that's why i want to be close with everyone that's in the space exactly the
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goal is that you don't have weird uncle exactly just second row yeah just kind of just hanging
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out there totally totally either but i'm so happy for y'all i'm happy for you too i hope you enjoy
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your engagement season it's the best thank you no rush no need i'm we're we're happy we're cruising
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oh i'm so excited for you anything else fun or exciting before i get into your fun facts that
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you want to talk about oh my oh outside of your glorious movie uh my what are my fun facts um
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yeah no I just like I Becca's the absolute best and it's and again I think it goes back to the
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girls like girls journey is like I grew up uh never believing that I could find someone
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and have a healthy relationship and feel so loved and like seen and supported and
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it's really really special that I get to go into this girls like girls era as a director
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my directorial debut yes with an amazing partner I know like that's like just like
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the sugar on top which i didn't i didn't even expect that would happen and for real um and
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it's just it's really beautiful i love that you're so amazing and so cool i can't stand it
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it's honestly unfair okay i do i'm gonna we're obsessed with each other yes obviously because
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we're twins we're literally in the same womb look at us okay i do have some fun facts about you
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oh my gosh we do have just what did you wikipedia i'm i'm i know i'm already you can tell me if
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they're fun okay so you'll let me know they're factual okay okay so this first one says as a kid
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you got scouted by nickelodeon at an ice rink i did oh so that was my dream as a kid to just be
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discovered i lived your dream yeah so my mom's a very successful ice skating choreographer okay
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and so my childhood was very unique i grew up in an ice rink all the time very cool and so
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my mom was working and I was just ice skating and they were like we need an Asian girl to ice skate
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in this commercial and they thought you were the cutest thing in the world I bet yeah I wasn't a
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great skater at all really but even though your mom was an ice well like I can I can probably do
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more than average like I definitely was like when I was in high school and I'd like try to like ask
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a girl out but not ask her out I'd be like do you want to go to the ice rink like during the
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holiday times when they had those patches of square ice with terrible ice skating rentals
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where you can barely skate but like I could like do moves and I'd like show off I'd be like oh I
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have my ice skates in the car and I'd like pull out my white skates like no game like thank god
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Becca asked I know how to skate thank god Becca made a move on me because I had no game whatsoever
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I'm like these girls are gonna love my white ice skates yeah you're like I'm just gonna go show
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off at the ice rink yeah but now ice skating's cool i mean look at alissa we're we're we're on
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track i'm honestly not a very good ice skater at all but we'll go ice skating on our next podcast
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yeah yeah that's true we'll live record some tips yeah okay this says when you were five you were in
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an ad advertising the internet itself yes is that true yes that is dating you a little bit it literally
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the um the magazine i'm just smiling and it's like the inner their internet is awesome or so i was
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like promoting using the internet so like now we have ai it's all my fault that's all on you hayley
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i it's me that damn ad this is something i carry the weight of ai it's on your damn ad i'm just
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like smiling like this no idea what i'm promoting that's crazy yeah i don't even think i got paid
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either I think that was just for free yeah damn you should hit up Steve Jobs it's his fault
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honestly were you doing a lot of commercial stuff as a child no I mean those are literally the two
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things I did under the age of 17 and then my first like acting role I was 17 so people think
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I was like a child actor but I actually just look really young so like when I was on Wizards I was
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19 no way yeah how was Wizards how was that set it was cool I had no idea that it was like a
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successful show so i just was like and i had like my spiky hair also they made you gay in that show
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well i just was naturally gay no i mean like losing characters yeah but i didn't i didn't
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know because it was just natural for me so i was like ah but apparently i was like giving off
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the gay to selena but i didn't know and i just was like thought i was acting i've seen quite a few
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edits of of like your character on wizards it's amazing what editing can do on tiktok but
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But they cut all the scenes and basically they were like, they should have written in.
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I was just slowly being an activist by like oozing my gayness.
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You follow the trail of breadcrumbs to the rainbow.
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was that like weird or crazy or was it just another job too it was just cool I think for me
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I I didn't know I wanted to be a director at the time but I wanted to be a musician
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and I wanted to be a pop star so I just was doing everything I could to have experiences and
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opportunities and so acting ended up being opportunities and a lot of the acting like
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lemonade mouth I played a guitarist like there's a lot of like music involved influence yeah going
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on and so i just i was just excited to like be a part i was like oh this is cool there's cameras
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everywhere and i think that's an awesome way of looking at it like you know 10 years plus i was
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like oh my gosh wizard that was a big show like like i literally because none of my friends at
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the time like no one knew and then later they're like oh you're on wister i was like oh people
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watch that that's cool same with lemonade mouth it's really interesting it was like not deemed a
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success at all but it was like a cult classic kind of like jennifer's body yes it'd be yes
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just like the only other girls like girls movie out there a movie that was not appreciated at
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its time but it was later as it should be we're starving yeah the sapphics are starving for real
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honestly i loved that movie too feed us okay this next one says that you were one-fifth of a pop
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girl group that formed in 2007 called the stunners who opened for justin bieber yes whoa your lore
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goes crazy i'm all over the place yeah you were a man of many hats i was like the cool chick in
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the girl group who sang the bridges but i was like period the gay one but like in the closet
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but that's also too like when i was in that girl group which was very short-lived yeah i got to
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experience again i was like i want to be a musician what is that like and i'm getting to
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tour and um also experienced the negative sides of the male gaze and like having to perform for
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these old men at these labels and like you're 16 like it's weird yeah creepy so it was good
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because that kind of ended and then i was able to chase my dreams and be like okay this is what i
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don't want to do and this is like the environment i don't want to be a part of i'm like obsessed
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with your attitude towards it it's very like i wanted to try it so i did i didn't yeah i fuck
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with that yeah I like that you're just kind of like yeah that was cool yeah I love that idea
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that attitude I mean and that I mean Justin was I mean that was his like I think it was like never
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never say never era yeah yeah so like that was cool it was cool that's how I feel about most
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things you know in this industry especially that's how I feel about most things and I think it's
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important honestly I learned how to dance in high heels yeah I don't anymore I wear sneakers I don't
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need that skill anymore thank god but you know I love how you're just so you're so beautiful and
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talented that you're kind of just joining anything and then you're like yeah I don't like that
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dropping that on to the next I think you're just trying I love that you know and it's like how do
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you become what you who you know you are and who you want to become yeah like what does that look
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like what does that look like how do you do that how do you get on tv how do you how do you have
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an audience like I remember watching NSYNC and I was like I want to be them how do you have
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girls screaming at you and like dance and sing with like a little mic like how do you do that
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yeah you're just trying stuff watching boys and going yeah now i need to get into that that's
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what i'm trying to get into literally yeah i'm obsessed what's your sign i'm an aries oh t
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love that i love aries libra rising and sagittarius moon oh t okay i'm my son oh fun
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Cancer moon Sagittarius rising okay oh look at us we got some sides yeah yeah fire in the big
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we're balanced we're balanced one of my best friends from college was an Aries and she I
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say all the time like I would have never had fun without her because she does everything fun
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anything she's down to try anything yeah and she would have died without me so I think it's a win
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win okay wow so we're do you want to hold hands yes there we go there we go connecting again
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okay this next one says in an interview in 2018 you told diva magazine that you quote
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have a serious obsession with tuna melts is that still true i love to
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man the internet really has all the information what's your favorite tuna i recently thanks so
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much for asking i just had one of my favorite tuna melts it's at apple pan and it's rye bread
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with tuna but I love just a classic tuna like a little bit of relish yeah or maybe a little bit
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of celery don't go crazy don't be adding parsley dill like we just want basic yeah some cheese
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soiling the ancient text cut in a triangle slant I will eat a tuna melt with anyone I
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love tuna like there's like when I go on tour like people would be like Haley go outside because I
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like if eating i was like i'm like the tuna girl like even like at school like i would open up my
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thing and i'd have my tuna sandwich but it'd be stinky so i'd have to like eat in the corner yeah
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because everyone had something to say about it stinking yeah you're representing people in more
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ways than one then yeah even stinky food eaters yes i am you're like i'm doing it for us listen
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you have one life to live like eat the food that you want like don't listen to outside commentary
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honestly and you have you ever um had ike's like the sandwich shop i've heard of it i haven't been
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they have a tuna melt is it good it goes crazy interesting i might be going there today
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fucking insane when i think about it really waters like a dog see i feel like a pit bull
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i love making art but the thing i love also is food i love eating food like my dream is to just
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eat food 24 7 all the time have to it makes me feel electric you enter a flow state when you
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have a good i'm not kidding my friends i was like she's like she is in her flow state and i'm just
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like oh my god that's that food was so good yeah literally i'm glad to see the tuna melt thing has
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still held up over the years it's good to have passions yeah i think so side quests okay last
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last fun fact um is that you were class president in middle school i was
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i was did you take that title seriously girl i was campaigning so hard right i i was the student
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council girl and i was in the closet but i had spiky flared hair and i worn a vintage blazer
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a plaid blazer and i had a boyfriend who gave me a vintage brooch i'm painting the picture so i am
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in the closet wearing a blazer with a vintage brooch with from your boyfriend my boyfriend who
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is probably also gay your lavender marriage yeah my lavender marriage in middle school
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campaigning for asb president right right and i won
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so go ahead and I'm such an emotional hoarder that I still have that blazer
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the plaid blazer that's great it doesn't fit obviously yeah but you're all but this is what
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I won the presidency yes yes so I have to keep it and you know I will say this and maybe it's
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coincidence maybe not but all of my gay friends all of them were involved in student council in
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some regard we love we know how to organize yeah we have to it's it's fight or flight we'd be
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organizing for our rights our safety we've been organizing since we were six years old that's all
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you know it's all we know it's our flow state organizing and crowdfunding that's all you guys
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know yeah honestly they're good at it yeah well those are all the fun facts i have for you would
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you deem them to be fun they were fun and they were facts there you go period everyone give it
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up for the fun facts thanks guys thanks amanda okay just to kind of close us out i do first off
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want to give you flowers one more time i really do genuinely believe that you are imperative to
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the space and i think that you have been so brave and so courageous for so long the fact that your
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art persists is not surprising because it's beautiful and amazing but more specifically
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your consistency with it has been inspiring and i really do think like genuinely i thank you from
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the bottom of my heart for opening my sister's third eye to be a lesbian thank god but also for
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a lot of people i'm sure you have been just paramount in their self-discovery and i think
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you are so amazing and important and the fact that you're aapi alongside me it's another reason i
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love you it adds to the totality of why i think you're so amazing but i'm feeling quite loved i
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i just have to tell you that first but it means a lot because like and i mean you're in this
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industry and space but we're so hard on ourselves right and it's just like you're just doing
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everything you can and it feels like sometimes you're just like swimming against a current
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and you're just like when does this get easy and i don't know if it ever gets easy but i'm grateful
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to have been swimming against the current for 10 plus years and i have i have been around for a
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long time and so it's been exciting to have this movie kind of start a new generation and a new
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cycle and chapter and well I don't know if we talked about it but I also have an album coming
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out that I that was inspired by the film and like yes I think when I did this movie I just was like
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I gotta give it everything I got we're gonna we're gonna direct the movie we're gonna co-write it and
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we're gonna do an album and we have all these amazing queer artists on the album which I think
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is either out now or might be out in a couple of weeks
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and to still be putting out some queer content.
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and joy and i'm so grateful for the fans sticking with me and um hopefully you know exploring new
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fans in a new era i'm excited to maybe thrive as opposed to feel like i'm you know swimming for my
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life no i know i for real and that's why i think it's so important to tell you how amazing i think
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you are because i do think sometimes when you do it the right way and you do it the authentic way
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sometimes it's the longer way it takes a lot longer why am i going the longest route possible
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I know, and then it sometimes I feel like feels like almost like Sherpas when white people want to go up Mount Everest.
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No one ever credits Sherpas for having made that trek hundreds of thousands of times to the top,
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but they are transporting white people up there.
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And sometimes it takes a while to get the recognition, but it's worth it, and that's where I think you're at right now.
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but we are on the mountain we're on the mountain yeah and we get to the top exactly and we survive
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and come right back down and help people up and then we do it again yeah and i think that's
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whoa i feel very seen yeah i've been chirping sherpa is that a word i've been chirping too
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girl yeah and that's and i think that's what like why you stand the test of time is my point like i
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really do believe that because it's authentic and it's true to you and it's meant to happen in the
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right way and the way it's supposed to happen and i'm just so happy for you and i think this is such
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an important film and the album as well as your directorial debut so my last question for you
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is any advice you may have for any aspiring queer artists in whatever medium that they so choose
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because you do it all but if you had any advice for them and they're worried about that current
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like you know kind of pushing against them what would you say to them i think my biggest lesson
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or epiphany on this whole journey is i took the long way to to get to myself right and so i would
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say like my advice to any artist or someone who's you know pursuing their dreams is to don't take
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the long way just like be yourself from day one and that it's such a hard it's such an easy thing
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to say and it's such a hard thing to actually apply and do but that is truly my you know
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encouragement because even like this album I went back to what I used to do I had unfinished songs
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that I'd written when I was like 16 or 17 I finished them for this album and I'm like why
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wasn't I doing that from the beginning like why did I go all the way around to try everything I
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wasn't to come back to who I really am and so that would be my biggest challenge for you guys is to
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to just don't take the long way around that just just start as you yeah and embrace that because
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that's your your biggest power your superpower i mean looking at like my career my career started
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when i was truthful yeah and authentic to who i was absolutely and here i am finding my purpose
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and had i never done that or continued to hide or lie to myself right i would have a very different
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life yeah and thankfully now you're in the perfect place at the perfect time and you're engaged oh my
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on top of that wins wins wins all around well thank you so much for coming on the show you're
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amazing i fucking love you i think i fucking love you i think you're incredible and yes another win
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on lesbian mountain you guys are welcome for that so uh for those i don't know the two straight
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people that watch me and don't know where to find you where can everybody find you oh just
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hayley kyoko anything but you can see me in theaters june 19th yes you absolutely can girls
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like girls very exciting and i'll be sitting in every single screening yes don't worry she'll be
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at every single one row j 11 okay thank you all so much for tuning into this episode of the comment
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