I MISS FROLICKING Ft. Chappell Roan
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Chapel Run Woo Woo is one of the most critically-acclaimed musicians in the entire world, and she's only been doing it for a little over a decade. She's a singer, songwriter, dancer, and all-around entertainer, and we couldn't be more excited to have her on the show.
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What's something you miss doing before this happened? Because there are some things I miss.
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I'll give you that. Drugs. Excuse me. Drugs. Oh, I still do that. Drugs in public.
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Drugs in public. That's what I miss. Tea. Tea. It's just like rolling up at the park.
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Just rolling up, being a fucking freak at the bar, or like making out with someone at the bar.
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Oh, yeah. Or... I was gonna say the movies, but sure.
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Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show, starring me, your fave,
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who cares about me. On to the guests. Today, we have one of the most highly requested and one of
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the most iconic legends in music right now, the one and only Chapel Run.
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Woo! Welcome to the show, Ms. Chapel. Thank you. You have been highly, highly requested.
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Wow, really? Yeah, and since I run a dictatorship, I decide who comes. That's...
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So I said, I already asked her. Next. Yep. On my desk. I had to immediately say yes.
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Oh, my gosh. I'm so honored. I'm so glad to be here. I'm so happy to have you. You are on a
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meteoric rise right now, girl. I'm so happy for you. Thank you.
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How do you feel, other than exhausted? Uh, scared, and also, um... Yeah, I was tired and scared
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sometimes, um... But it's nice to be able to, like, pay my rent and, like, pay for my friend's
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dinner, you know? Totally. Because that's, like, never been the case. That's, like, the best part.
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Yeah, it's like, okay, yeah, I can come to a movie. Like, that's... I, like, never have had that.
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Yeah. Well, I'm so happy for you. I've been a fan of you for a very long time.
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I also have to tell you, I have a whole team of lesbians. In-house lesbians. I know. Everyone
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who works with me and for me is gay. I can tell. You peeped. She clocked that tea, all of you gay
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women, behind the camera. Uh, and we've all been really big fans, too. So we've been fans for a
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long time, well before this year. So I'm so happy and proud of you. But I'd love to know, I'm very
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familiar with your lore, but I would love if you could share with the people just a little bit of
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your lore. Like, how you got into singing, how you got into drag, more specifically.
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Yeah. I'm sure you know I have lots of drag queens. I'm collecting them, like, infinity
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stones. I heard you say that line on Alaska Thunderfucks. Yeah. Yeah. I do. I love her.
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I love her. I listened to it last night. I, like, loved it so much. Thank you.
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My lore. Yeah. I'm sure it's riveting. What's so sick is that people are so stupid online and
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they're like, industry plant, industry plant. Industry plant, yeah. And it's like, this is
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my 10th year. Yeah. I was like, you've been doing music for a long time. Year 10, like,
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professionally, like, was signed in high school. Yeah. Should be illegal. That's weird, looking
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back. But, like, 10th year and after just years and years of pushing and pushing and
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pushing, I'm from, like, southern Missouri and, like, moved to L.A. and it's just the
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most cliche story ever. Yeah. But, yeah, 2020, ran out of money. Moved back in with my parents,
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working the drive-thru, got dropped by my label, broke up with someone I thought I was going to
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marry. Man. Oh, man. Wasn't going to work out, regardless. Yeah. Yeah. And then I started,
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like, I just really was like, I'm going to do the pop thing. Yeah. And I'm just going
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to go for it. And I have no money. And I really like drag and, like, all these, like, weird
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Gucci looks, but I can't afford that. So I'm just going to go to thrift stores and start
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thrifting things I think are ridiculous. And that would be, that would make my 10-year-old
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self really happy. Yeah, totally. So my whole life and career changed when I did, like,
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inner child work. And I think that's why, that's, like, why my career, like, skyrocketed because
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I started to just, like, have fun and, like, be glittery and not take it seriously. Yeah.
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And be more authentic to who you really are. Yeah. I think that's what people latch on to.
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Like, when I dedicated my project to honoring my inner child. Yeah. And, like, that's when
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it started working. Love. Which is, like, so affirming that, like, you have all the, all
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in you. You know what I mean? Totally. So now I'm here. I, like, this year has been the
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most insane year ever. Yeah. For, you know, it's crazy. I never, ever even expected, like,
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radio. And, like, it's just so crazy to, like, I'm on the radio. Yeah. It's crazy. Absolutely.
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And, yeah, like, opened up for Olivia Rodrigo for two months this year. Who we love. I started
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doing, like, festivals like Coachella and, like, Bonnaroo and all these. How was Bonnaroo? I went
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to Bonnaroo for the first time last year? How hot was it? Two billion degrees, girl. The
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way I was, like, this is, this heat is sinful. Like, this heat is, if there is a hell, if
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this, that's what it feels like. It's Tennessee. Yeah. And the people there, too. But, but
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that's that. The bitches at Bonnaroo? At Bonnaroo, though, they're not like that. No, they're
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not. They're so nice. Thrive in the heat. Yeah. And, like, camp in the heat. They were
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so, I was, like, I remember saying, too, when I was at Bonnaroo two years ago, I was, like,
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these are the nicest festival goers. Like, everybody is so sweet, and they're like, happy
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Roo. Yeah, happy Roo. They say that to everyone, and they're so nice and, like, sweet. Everyone
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was real. I was, like, right in the heart of conservative country. Y'all are crazy. People
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love it, though. Yeah. Bonnaroo was hot. It was 96 degrees at, and I was playing at three
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o'clock, so, like, the beat of the, yeah, the sun, and I was in full latex, so that was
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hard. Are you a sweater? Do you sweat easily? In latex, for sure. It's, like. Your beat
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stayed nice and firm, though, that's good. The beat is. You have that down now. It's so
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much makeup. It's insane. Lacquered. Yeah. Are you using airspun powder, like, old-school
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drag? Bitch, I think I'm using clown makeup. Like, I think I'm, like, actually. That white,
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I forget the name of it. Like, Ben Nye white, and then it's, like, clown white powder. Yeah.
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It's horrible. I was gonna ask, do you do your own, uh, drag? A lot of the time. A lot
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of times you do it yourself? But, like, um, like, I just had a makeup artist for the first
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time on this, this, literally, like, last month. Mm-hmm. And before that, I've always
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done my own makeup because I couldn't afford it, and I knew, I just, like, watched YouTube
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and just worked on it and learned. Got really good. Yeah, because, like. And now, look, it's
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a staple look. Thank you. How many chapels do you think you're gonna see on Halloween?
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Probably a million. I'm hiding in Halloween. Like, I am. You could probably blend. I could
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blend. If you went, if you dressed as chapel, and you just walked around, you, oh, no one
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would ever find you. I went to Pilates this morning. Mm-hmm. And the entire class, it was
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full, and the instructor was, like, on the microphone, and she was, like, hello, welcome.
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You look just like Chapel Rome. Do you know who that is? And I was, like, yeah. No, and I
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fucking hate her. That's what you should have said. One time I, well, then, okay, I'll
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finish this story. No, you're fine. Then, she was, like, blabbing about Chapel Rome,
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whatever, and then at the end, she's, like, you seriously look so much like her. Do you
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know who that is? Do you like her music? And I was, like. No, she sounds like a bitch,
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though. And I was just, no, I was, part of me wants to be, like, what makes you think I
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would like her? Like, or, like, you know, just to, like, make. What are you trying to
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clock my tea? What are you trying to say? Mm-hmm. But I was, like, you know. Not her being
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homophobic in bodies. I don't know. If anyone's gonna be homophobic, it's me in
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every, like. Towards Chapel? Straight up. Um, but she didn't believe me when I said,
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well, it is. Because she's, like, is it okay if I call you Chapel for fun? Yeah.
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She's, like, because you look so much like her. And I was, like, I am her. Do you
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think, do you think it was one of those where they're pretending they don't
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think it to? No. Or did she genuinely just say anything? Because she got really scared
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whenever she started to believe me. She's, like, no, you're not. And I was, like.
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That's, like. Okay, I'm nowhere near you on the scale of being recognized or being
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a celebrity. However, whenever fans do that pretending shit, which she, I'm sure
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she wasn't. But I'm sure you've had ones that have, like, where they go, you look
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so familiar. This just happened to me. I went to Vegas for work. And there was an
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attendant that was, like, checking key cards. So I was just waiting at the bottom
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of the elevator with my boyfriend. Because I was waiting for my family to come
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down. And she was, like, you look familiar. And then I was, like, I don't know,
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maybe. And then she was, she goes, Drew? And I go, yeah. She goes, I knew it. I
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knew it. I literally knew it. And then she was just staring at me. And it's
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quiet. And then she goes, you're so much prettier in person. And then I go, thank
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you. Thank you. And then she goes, I hope that didn't sound weird. And then she
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turned around. Actually, actually, it sounded rude, is what it was. But no, it got kind of.
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Yeah, yeah. And that's why she was staring at me for so long. Because she thinks of me
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as a fuggo. And then when she saw me in real life, she's like, that's not a fuggo. That
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can't be her. And then she goes, oh, it is you. Wow, you're way better looking in
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person. Because you're a big fuggo on the internet. That is. That's my most, my most
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complimented thing is that. You're so much prettier in person. That is so offensive.
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That is. I thought so chapel. But apparently, that's just my thing. Yeah. I was just like,
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like, if that were to, if that were to happen, I would just be like, what do you mean? Yeah.
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Sometimes I'm like, it's what I just do. I just like photograph horribly. Like, I don't
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know. No. I was like, even when you, even when you have no makeup on and you're just like
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yelling at the camera, you're still like gorge. Oh my God. Thank you, chapel room. Yeah. Thank
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you. I appreciate that. I think, uh, what's the weirdest encounter you've ever had? Like
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being recognized. Um, I got some weird ones, so I can only imagine. I mean, I, Jesus. Other
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than that lady harassing you today, she said, admit it, you're a doppelganger. She just didn't
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believe me. And I was like, it is. And she's like, are you serious? I'm going to freak out
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and cry. And I was like, I'm leaving. Must not be that big of a fan because she didn't recognize
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you. And then she just finally believed me and asked me for a photo, whatever. Um, and then
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I can, I think the craziest one is like, I was just being a freak in central park and
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like, you do like rolling around. Can I say you look like someone that would roll around
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in central park? Of course I did. Oh yeah, I know. Like I have, um, I was just doing somersault,
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practicing a somersault. Hadn't done a somersault. I was like, I haven't done a somersault in
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like 10, 12 years. This is chapel room by the way. But yeah, go ahead.
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I was trying to like finish, uh, like somersaults and like, I was trying to learn how to do
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like a car wheel, but I was only doing like half of it. And I had grass on my hair, dirt
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all over all my whole body. And this person was like these, like a twink and probably more
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gay people. Um, came up and they're like, I was coming up from the somersault. And they're
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like, are you chapel room? And I was like, no. And they were like, well, can we get a
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photo with you? Just in case. Yeah. And the girl was like, like did this. And she was
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like, it's not her. Don't ask for a photo. And I was like, it's me. And I was just like
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the most. I feel like you, are you panicking under pressure? I feel like you're panicking.
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Yeah. Cause I'm like, there's leaves and dirt in my hair and on my skin. And like giving
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Tarzan. Yeah. I would like, yeah. Um, literally look like a two year old. Cause that's what
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I exactly what I was doing. And I was like, okay, yeah, let's get a, get a pick. Yeah.
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We should do. I love nothing more than take a picture. And so I was, I sometimes I'll just
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ask fans to be like, can you not tell anyone that I'm here? Yeah. Because like, I don't
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want this shit to be weird. And they're like, yeah, yeah, of course we get it. And so.
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And did they tell anyone? I don't know. I left immediately after. Yeah. Yeah. You're
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like, can you not? And then you're like, they're probably going to tell someone. Yeah. I'm
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like, I'm going to, I'm going to know. Oh, here's kind of a deep question. I just thought
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See, it's just like, just rolling up, rolling up, being a fucking freak at the bar and like,
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or like making out with someone at the bar. Oh yeah. Or I was going to say the movies,
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Or movies, but it's so dark people, you know, but that's why I can't go to the movies anymore.
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Cause I feel like when I do, everyone's watching me and not the movie. Everyone's like this.
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Like they're literally, if I'm facing this way, they watch me like this. The whole fucking
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movie. Yeah. The whole movie. I can't watch movies anymore. Especially in LA. It's probably
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Yeah. Yeah. So you hate, you miss making out with strangers and doing drugs.
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I miss, um, frolicking, obviously, because now I'm self-conscious to frolick and I'm...
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Probably just like being in Forever 21 and not being judged. You know what I mean?
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Sometimes I want to go to the H&M and I don't want to hear it.
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Yeah. Cause sometimes you find stuff and you're like, wow.
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Dude, or thrifting. That's what I miss. I mean, I'm like in disguise most of the time.
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But like, I miss just like walking around and being like by myself. I guess being by myself
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That's T. I was just telling someone that the other day. I like watch whenever I see creators
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because I have a lot of friends who are creators that do like vlog, like, oh, spend the day with
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me or whatever. And I see them going to the mall and shit. I'm like, man, I watch it like
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fucking Tiny Tim outside the restaurant. Like I'm like, oh, what it must be like to do that.
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Like I can't do that anymore. And I literally was telling my boyfriend the other day, I'm
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like, I miss being alone. Like I can't go, I can't do anything alone anymore. And I wish
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It is. Yeah. Well, especially for you, for me, it's like a lot of people calling me, you
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look way uglier on my phone, but you're way better looking in person.
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This is not true. But I, I feel you. I, people have started to be freaks. Yeah. Like follow
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me. Yeah. They follow you around. And like follow like, like know where my parents live
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and like my sister, where's my sister works. Like all this weird shit. And I'm just like,
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this is the time when I was like a few years ago that I said, if, if stalker vibes, like
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family was in danger is when I would quit and like, we're there. Same. We're there. Same.
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And so I'm just kind of like in this battle of like, I've, I've like pumped the brakes
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on honestly anything to like make me more known. Yeah. It's like kind of a forest fire
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right now. Just like being itself. Yeah. And like, but I'm not like, I'm not trying to
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go do a bunch of, you know, shit. Yeah. It's just like, I want to do, I just want to do
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like your art and that, but just things that I feel like that or like this, like just girly
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time and not like such high, like, I don't, I feel like I could be myself. I don't have
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to be like super chapel, super chapel. Yeah. Super chapel. Yeah. I get that. I mean, I feel
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like to, it's very strange because it's like you get everything you've ever wanted in terms
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of career. Cause you're like, this is what I've always wanted to make money off my art.
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But I remember seeing once, like, I think it was Jennifer Lawrence, like when she kind of
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disappeared for a while. Cause like, you know, everybody was obsessed with her and then
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they started hating her and then she disappeared. And then she came back. She was saying, I love
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my job. I love my art. I love, like, I never in a million years thought I would make money
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off art and I'm glad that I can. I just realized I hate everything about being famous. Like
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everything that comes with making money off art is really hard sometimes. And that's when
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I, it gets difficult to talk about, especially for me, cause I'm just like a dickhead on the
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internet, but like when I'm, this is by no means the hardest job in the world, which
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I've told people it is not the hardest job in the world. It's hard for reasons that you
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could never prepare for no matter how many jobs you've had. So it's like, it comes with
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shit that you can't even ask anyone. How do I deal with this? Cause the only people
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who know are other people who are famous, they're doing the same thing. So that's why
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making friends in the communities easier, makes it easier. That's like helped me so much.
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Yeah. Or people who it's worse too, when it's people who are fans, but they're fans like
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now, as opposed to people who have like, cause the people who have loved me for years are very
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respectful in a lot of ways. The people who jump on after the fact are the ones who are
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super fucking rude to me. Sometimes fans can be rude, but like it's unintentional. Like
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I've had people take a picture with me cause they saw other people taking a picture with
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me. And then after she goes, I don't know who the fuck that is. I just saw other people
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taking a picture, but I was like right behind her when she said it. So I was like, then why
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did you like, and sometimes they don't even know my name. You're like, bitch, I don't want
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to take a photo with you. Yeah. Like I did that. That wasn't for me. Do you ever say no?
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Do you say no? No. And I'm working on it. And I talked about it in therapy actually,
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cause I realized I have no boundaries with fans in a lot of ways. And I have so many
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boundaries in a lot of other ways. So I'm like very confrontational in a lot of ways,
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but with people who love you, you don't want to be rude. But at the same time, sometimes
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they're so unintentionally rude that you're kind of like, thank you. It's rude. Thank
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you. It's fucking rude. Imagine don't yell at me from your car window. And what other
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circumstance? That's harassment. Do you get yelled at? Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes they don't
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even know my name. So they'll be like, you're the girl, right? The girl, the girl that's
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like on the girl that's mean to guys like on the internet. No. Then I'm like, I don't
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know. Sometimes I go, they're like, you look so familiar. And I know they know who I am.
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I'll go, I don't know. Maybe we went to school together. She's in her fifties.
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Maybe we went to school together. Wait, were you freshmen? I've had an older woman and this
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is not me dragging her, but she literally was like in her fifties and she was like, did
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we go to school together? Girl, what do you think? Let's all use our brains. Like
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maybe she was a preschool teacher. Yeah. Like, were you my TA when I was in high school?
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Maybe. I don't fucking know. It's like, don't lie to me, girl. Come on. Don't make me do
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that shit. Well, speaking of like the price of fame, what's the coolest thing you've been
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able to do so far? Like something you never thought you'd be able to do, but now are able
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to do that or have done. I guess like people who've been in my position feel more comfortable
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talking to me because they can relate on a level. Totally. And so like me and people who
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I've looked up to in my entire life are like peers now, which is sick. That's cool. Yeah.
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Cause you never thought, but I would, yeah, I was, I just never, I never really expected
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anything from my career except like to make me happy. Like I've been poor in like, so I
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know that I can be happy and poor. Um, so like not having money doesn't scare me. It's really
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just like, how do I make this like be sustainable. And like, so I think that like all these things
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that are happening to me now are just kind of icing on the cake, but I never thought
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like, I never thought I could fly first class. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. Um, I never
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thought that I would get like access to like so much backstage, you know, all these like
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crazy or invitations. That's been cool. Like Miley invited me to like a party and I was
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like, you don't know that I, you were my first concert when the Jonas Brothers were opening
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for you. I'm so jealous. I never got to go to that one. Were you a big Jonas Brothers
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fan? No. Or were you a Hannah Montana fan? Hannah Montana. I didn't know. You technically
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are Hannah Montana. It is kind of true. And I, I wish, I wish I would have done looking
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back at like, if I were to be able to start this all over, I don't think it's realistic
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to do a Daft Punk thing, but I wish I would have, you know, like a helmet. They got something.
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They, they really figured it out. I know. Same with Mr. Marshmallow. Um, senor Marshmallow.
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Madam. Madam Marshmallow. Um, but I loved that Hannah, like, you know, had two different
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personalities. Cause it's my fucking hair that gets me in trouble all the time. So, um,
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I wish I would have done her, but she, I, my friend thought I went, I was fourth grade
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and like when she came out, I saw my friend start crying and then like little girls around
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and I started crying and I was like, I guess I heard her cry. And I was like, and I was
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like, this is so emotional. And like, and like, but I get now, I didn't understand then
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why people were crying, but now I get it. And like, Oh, because this is the, that was the
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coolest thing. It was like a spiritual experience. It was so spiritual. I'm so jealous. I only got
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to see the movie. Didn't get to see the concert. Jealous. I'm just going to manifest that she
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comes back. When I wrote a fan fiction, it was based off that tour. What other fan fiction
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have you written? I've only written about the Jonas Brothers. What? To be quite honest with you.
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Which one? Nick. I was a Nick girl. His diabetes was a huge moving part of the story. Sorry to
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say. It was the whole time. Sorry. It was the whole time. Even if it's not in fanfic. It was a real
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plot driver in my fan fiction. Disney hammered us. Yeah. I thought he was going to die too.
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Yeah. Everyone was like, I was like, no, please don't say it. People were really like
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already mourning. Like grieving. They were, they were grieving in fifth grade. Yeah.
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Being like, I don't know how long he has. Were you ever a fangirl of anyone other than
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Hannah Montana? Of course. And now you are Hannah Montana. That's crazy. Lana. I look
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like, I, I, I love like, I feel really lesbian whenever I see a girl fucking shredding guitar.
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Yeah. And like, I feel you. Lana. Love. She shreds. She shreds a cig. Really? I've
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never seen her play. Like, I see her smoking cigs. Oh, she shreds a cigarette. Oh, she
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shreds. Gotcha. You know, which love the cig. Yeah. But like, for some reason, something
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in me is like, it's like, it's like this. You're coming alive. I mean, I know it's a podcast,
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but this is what happens when I see a girl play guitar. It's like those little, uh, those
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bugs in, uh, you ever seen Wreck-It Ralph? Yes. You know, when they're like, yes, yes,
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yes, yes, yes. Whenever that light shoots up, that's another woman playing a guitar.
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Exactly. And you're just like moth to a flame. Fangirl. I, I've never been a fangirl really,
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like never been obsessive over any until last week. Like my, the first time in my life I
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got fan culture because I saw a video of Joan Jett when she was like, I don't know, like,
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I don't know, probably in the eighties, maybe like early mid eighties and like her prime.
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And I was like, I just watched it. Your eyes rolled in the back of your head. It's almost
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like they rolled forward. Like it's like, they rolled this far. They popped out like
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a cartoon. Yeah, exactly. Like the guy on like world Guinness records, you know, when he's
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like, look how far I can pop out my eyes. Like that's exactly what I did. Your tongue
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rolled on the floor. Yeah. And it was funny. Yep. Um, and I was like, that's crazy. I think
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I need to, I think I need to look at photos of her. And so I was like looking through, I was
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like Joan Jett, 1980s. And I was like, Joan Jett, hot. Joan Jett, I was like. Joan Jett
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naked. Joan Jett naked. Joan Jett full nudes. No. Full frontal. That's what you're Googling?
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Your Chabels Google search history. And I look, I respect, all respects to Miss Jett. Peace
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and love. Madam Jett. Madam Jett. But, um, I like got it. And I was like, I think if I didn't
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have a job, that she would become my job in life. Like, you know what I mean? Just
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the essence of Joan Jett. I'm just like, it would be following her shows and like. You
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caught the fever. Like sometimes, like I just, for some reason, never done this in
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my life. Save some photos of her. Just cause. Just, I was like, I'm gonna save. When you're
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feeling down, you go back and look at them. At first I was like, I'll save a couple. I don't
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know this woman at all. I was like, I'll save a couple. And then I just saved like saving
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more and more and more. And like nothing. Making it to your screen saver. Nothing, nothing
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like, like freak, freakazoid vibes. Like, but like, I was just like, I just, I wanna look
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at her. If you get a little freaky, that's okay. Be a little freakazoid. But I, I, I can't
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be like that with people. Like, I have a really hard time having crushes on people. Me
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too. Cause I'm just like, I, I can't really, I just feel so guilty. Like sexualizing
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them. Really? I think that's a Christian. Mine's the opposite. Um, you're like, I'm
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gonna fuck you. What's your name? Mine is literally, mine is literally that I just truly
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believe that everyone would fall in love with me if they spent enough time with me. Like
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give me like 10 minutes. And it's true. So like mine, there's no need for a crush. Cause
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I could have you if I wanted you. I just don't. You don't. So like mine is like, that's
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my tea. You don't yearn. No. For someone. No. Well, you're in for my man now. Totally.
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Yeah. But like Pat prior to that, no, there's no one really that speaks to my spirit like
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that because I just think I'm like the baddest bitch alive. Yeah. So I feel like anyone I'm
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like, when I see like any man, anyone, anyone at all, like, I'm like, just give me like 10
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minutes. Yeah. Exactly. Hang out with me. I'll make them giggle. I'll make them blush a little
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bit. Then I'm going to have to be like, I'm taking, you're going to have to be like, get off
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me. I'm so sorry to say don't know. Thank you. Joan Jett. My friend chapel told me that
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she's in love with you. Sorry, Joan. I was like, I'm not going to look at these photos
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and do anything with about it, but I'm going to like, I'm not going to be weird. I'm not
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going to be weird, but I just want to look at her and gaze upon her. Yeah. I was just,
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I like to gaze. Yeah. We all like to gaze. I was just like, I had to stop myself because
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I was like, Kaylee, this is weird. Like you had to have a moment with like, I was like
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telling my friend, like, Hey, look what I did. That's so weird. And she was like, that's
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not like funny. She was like, that's um, that's kind of a lot. And I was like, yep. Delete,
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delete, delete. Yeah. I thought so too. That was so weird. Sorry. I don't know why I said
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that. That was a joke. Oh, never heard of a joke. Sorry. We're not allowed to laugh anymore.
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So now I'm taking like a second away from Joan Jett. I'm just like, take it. I'm not
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going to look at it. But you got fan culture for a sec. Yeah. And I was like, this is
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the parasite dangerous. Cause I, she's mine and no one else. Sometimes when I see things
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I like, cause sometimes fans will be like, Oh, you should watch this or you should get
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into this. And I'm like, I don't have the time. Cause once I get into it, I can't stop
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myself and I don't have time for that. Are you obsessive? I can be. Yeah. I think that's
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why for like shows and stuff, I watch a lot of the same shit over and over again,
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just cause especially when I'm working, I've noticed like when I'm working a lot, I just
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need to watch stuff I'm used to. Yeah. Cause I can't, cause that's like comforting. Yeah.
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And I don't have time for new things. Although I am into house of dragon. Have you watched
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house of dragon? No, but I did watch all of game of thrones. I loved game of thrones. Hated
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the last two seasons, but loved that show. We all did. They did my girl, Danny so wrong.
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I agree. They did her so wrong in the end of that show. Agreed. But house of dragon,
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I'm all up in there. But see now it's, it's consuming my every waking thought. This is
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why I can't get into new things. Cause I'm just thinking about it all the time. Everyone
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loves the lesbian looking one. Sorry. Emma Darcy. That's probably. Yeah. Oh, short hair.
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Yes. Yeah. They're non-binary, but they play Rhaenyra on the show. One of the main queens
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on the show. So they're non-binary. Okay. The queer looking one. Like everyone. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. I get it. Yeah. I fucking get it. When they had that grill on, I said, you're
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crazy. Oh, what was that for? You're popping out. And for what? Was that for, what was
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that for? Like a charity? I don't know. Go home, you little slut. That's what I was
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going to say. Emma Darcy, go home. You're slutting yourself out like that. Go home. I saw,
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I saw that. I was like, damn, I might have to get a grill, I guess. I know. I was like,
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that goes hard. I know. They look great. What are you into? What kind of shows you like?
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I, Glee. Oh, right. We were talking about Glee. You're in your Glee renaissance right
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now. I watch Glee and Spongebob. I love Spongebob. That's all I can handle. Spongebob's
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funny. Sorry to say. And when I'm feeling like a boy vibe, I just like get high and watch
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Family Guy, which is the shit hole of the earth. Chapel. Can I say something to you? That's
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my favorite thing to do at home. Smoke weed and get smoke weed and watch Family Guy. I'm
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not kidding. I'm not kidding on my fucking life. I do that every night. Come
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from literally the internet's going to come for me. Like, I'm sorry to say it is truly
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one of the funniest shows ever. I think it's funny. I'm sorry. I can't control that. 2009
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and before some of the stuff it's like, it's bad. Yeah. The most recent seasons though,
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like, or not like the middle to the end now. Yeah. I, the way my brain works in Family
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Guy bits, like there are literally jokes that I still regurgitate to this day. And sometimes
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when people ask me where that's from, I feel a great deal of shame. Just be like, I made
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it up. I don't want to admit where it's from. Just admit that you made it up. I just take
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credit for it. I'm like, Oh, that's from here. Yeah. Sorry to say. Yeah. No, I'm obsessed with
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Family Guy. It's so bad. And when you're high, it's even funnier. It's the funniest show
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I ever ran. And I can't watch it with anyone because every, they would be like, dude, why
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I've literally, sometimes I'm like, you guys need to sit down and watch this episode with
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me. Like I literally tell my sister, please watch this episode with me. I don't have anyone.
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Sometimes I'll laugh so hard that I have to pause it. Cause I can't hear anything else.
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Cause I'm still laughing. I'm like, pause it, pause it, pause it. I was telling a whole joke.
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Like sometimes I'll go, that's actually, that reminds me of something from Family Guy. I say
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that all the time. I'm sorry. My, my inner circle is just used to it now. Now they just,
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they entertain my bits. So I'll just, well, anyone watch it. This is what happens. And
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I tell them. Does your boyfriend watch it with you? Yeah. Okay. He laughs too. I find boys
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will watch it with me. Yeah. That really speaks to their spirit. Huh? But yeah. Um, just like
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complete disrespect from, for every, for every margin, for every margin. Yeah. They're like,
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Oh yeah. Make fun of it. Love it. Um, but yeah, like I, I do feel ashamed when speaking
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to a woman about it. I will say there are jokes in there though, that have nothing to do with
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oppression that are truly some of the funniest jokes ever. Like agreed. Like there's one I've,
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I've said for years and it's like, the joke is that he has cow udders like, and then he milks
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them in a board meeting and everyone's drinking. And like one of the guys that gets in his mouth
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and then he goes, I don't care. I'm not driving. And the way, anytime I do anything, I go, I don't
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care. I'm not driving. I say that all the time. Nobody gets it. Nobody understands. And it's really
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not that funny. I don't know what to tell you. I don't know what to tell you. My fucking brain
00:33:43.220
just look at you and be like, okay. That's why I said, I felt, I felt so seen and validated by you
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just now. Thank God you have a friend in me. One day, one day we can do that together. Get high and
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watch Family Guy. Are you weird when you're high? Sometimes depends. Sometimes I think I'm funnier
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when I'm high. I definitely am too, but I can be around max one person or this is what I mean when
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I can't, this is what I mean when I can't, how I miss doing drugs in public. Yeah. I used to be
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such a freak like in the clubs, like, and just had no issue dressing insane and like doing whatever I
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could for attention and like, and so, but now, you know, I miss like being high and going to
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a bar. Yeah. Cause then I can be like, but now you get too, you get too spooky. I'm just still
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like, dude, if someone comes up and recognizes me and I'm going to throw up on them. It could be a
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nightmare. Yeah. It's like, I'll be like, yes, it's me. Hi. Like, and just like force myself to
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be normal. So now I can't do that unless I'm in like a crazy wig. That's, that's tea. When I was
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in New York a few months ago, I had a scary edible experience so bad to the point where half my party
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got sent home before me and my boyfriend, cause the two of us were having this. I heard you say that
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on the Alaska one. Right. You couldn't get on the flight. Right. I got recognized in the lounge
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and I, again, I cannot, I don't even remember what I was wearing. I don't remember. And I remember
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how much was it? I don't know. And an ungodly and sinful amount. And if I could, I would put a hit
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out on what was it? Was it like a brownie? It was a little like sour gummy, but, or no,
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they were little chocolate balls, but I took two of them or no, it took one and a half.
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And I, the guy said, Oh girl, that was like over a hundred milligrams. I'm convinced I took
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over a hundred, which is like, you should have just pulled trick. Yeah. Like I was about to jump
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out my hotel room window. I was this close. Cause I was thinking, I remember my boyfriend was wearing
00:35:49.060
the most insane outfit too. Like he had these bright green cargo pants on and a cropped black
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sweater. That was mine. And then a bright blue hat. I would be like, who is this lady?
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In a brown backpack. He had this woman following me at the airport. And I go, you got to change,
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dude. You look insane. And then he was like, if I take the pants off, I'm not making it to the
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airport. And I was like, okay. Cause we were both still fucked up. This is the next morning.
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This is like 10 hours later. Still on. Yeah. I don't even want to know what I looked like
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walking in that airport. I don't even want to know what I look like. Yeah, it was. But then I went to
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the lounge and I was like, I just need to eat. And then someone came up to me, recognized me and
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she's talking to me. And I remember actively thinking, I have to look like I'm paying attention
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even though I wasn't. So I was, I was like, look at her, but don't look too hard. And then I was
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going, Oh, well now I'm staring. Okay. Hold on. I need to look away. Wait, no. Now it looks like
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I'm not paying attention. No. Yeah, that's exactly. And then I thought I was keeping it super cool.
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And then she halfway through the conversation, she goes, are you okay? And then I go, yeah. Yeah. And
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then I started thinking, was I not okay? And then I started thinking, what the fuck was I doing?
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What were you doing? And then I was like, hopefully my boyfriend will be able to tell me
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because he's at the table as she's talking to me. And then she goes, okay, well have a nice night.
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And I go, yeah, you too. And then I don't know if she asked me a question. Like I have no idea.
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She left. I look, my boyfriend's head, his head is flat. And then I go, Hey, did I look bad in that?
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And he goes, in what? And I go, forget it. Great. Cause he's not there either. Forget it.
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Forget it. We got, we're two blind mice right now. We're just going through life on our own.
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That's crazy. I was like, I hope, I hope she never remembers that interaction. I hope she never
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tells anybody. I can't even imagine. She probably was like, she was fucked up. Cause now I'm thinking
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I was watching her like this. Cause then she was like, are you okay? And I was like, yes. Why did I
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not look okay? So I get what you mean. That's a horrifying experience being under the influence and in public.
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That's probably a good thing though. I know that they're tailoring, but I'm glad we have similar
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hobbies. You and I do the same things in our downtime. Like dude stuff. It's so lame. That's
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probably the straightest thing about me is watching family guy. Same. Yeah. And I, and they make fun
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of, they make fun of crazy gay stuff. And I'm like, you're giggling at home. You're cackling at home.
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Well, I want us to ask too, what would you say is the most rewarding part of like now having a
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platform? Cause you represent so many different groups as well, but you also platform drag a lot.
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I want to ask you more about drag. Oh wait, before I get to that, who's your favorite drag queen?
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Do you have a fan or maybe a top three for the controversial ones? Willem and detox for the
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nice ones. Kim Chi. Um, I think my favorite Sasha Colby, like my girl overall number one. Um,
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I love Bob. Um, and I love, fuck it. I like Derek Berry. Um, slash Brittany. Um, he does a great
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job at Brittany. Yeah. Um, but I mean, Trixie is so fucking awesome. Yeah. She's my op. Yeah. I'll
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fist fight Trixie. Me and Trixie are going to celebrity boxing match. Oh yeah. I love her. Why?
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Well, she and I are both Virgos, but we, I just did her pod like a couple weeks ago. Love her,
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but there's like a running bit that she never texts me back, which is like true. Do you text
00:39:22.080
people back? No, I don't either. And as a Virgo, like I feel like I should do it to others and it
00:39:28.260
should not be done to me. Right. Revenge. Yeah, obviously. But I remember when I was on her pod,
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she's like, yeah, Brittany Broski, she told me that, uh, you're always texting me and I never text you
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back and I felt bad. And I go, well, hold on. Let's be clear. I wasn't texting you to hang and
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you were just ignoring me. That's not what was happening. I text you happy birthday and you
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ignored me one time. And then, but then she was like, she DM'd me on Instagram and was like the
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way that you haven't text me. So you're missing out on all my thoughts. And I was like, I have text
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you bitch. Like what the fuck? And then I text her again. And I said, this is drew off wallow. Cause I
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don't know if this bitch has multiple drews in her phone. And then she goes, Oh my God, I did have your
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number. And then I go, okay. I said, yeah, well, what did you want to tell me? She didn't text me
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back. And then I texted her again. I said, bitch, if you don't tell me, I'm literally going to send
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a SWAT team to your fucking house. And then she said that I'm so beautiful and sent me a picture
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of herself. And then I blocked her. You know how, wait, would you ever SWAT someone's house? Um, I don't
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know. Are you asking? Would you like me to SWAT you? Kinda. Just to get the experience. Just to be like,
00:40:31.560
maybe an arch nemesis. Yeah. Cause remember it was like a trend. Like it was people were just like
00:40:38.160
calling like people were trying to do that to me, but on, on, not on some funny shit on some real
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shit, but like, they were trying to SWAT you. Yeah. Men who hate me. Oh yeah. They're trying to SWAT
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you. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? I'm like, you guys are so afraid of me. I was just telling someone when I
00:40:51.540
make fun of men so severely, like I make fun of, I made fun of someone's hairline on Twitter the other
00:40:55.560
day and he was like, Oh yeah. So balding. And he was like, I was like, he took a picture of his
00:41:00.760
forehead again. And he has one of those fringes that like hangs down and I go lift up that little
00:41:04.680
bang. I'm trying to see something. And then, and then he, what that bang do with that thing,
00:41:09.140
lift up that little bang girl. I want to see what's underneath. And he literally pulled his car
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over and like lifted up his bang and like took a picture and it looked awful. But I was laughing
00:41:18.280
cause I'm like the way you guys are, you guys will do anything I say. Yeah. They're so submissive.
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They're so submissive to me. But then they'll readable and submissive fucking throw a bomb
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squad on you to like try to make it mad at me. I'm like, so it might fall. You do whatever
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I say. Right. Exactly. Do you get a lot of hate? I don't read the comments anymore, but
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if I, if I do what I do in my head, I'm like, that's a bot. That's, that's actually really
00:41:44.440
good. I'm like, that's a bot obviously. And then if someone like makes a video, I'm like,
00:41:47.820
that's AI. Like I am like, that's AI. That's a great method. I think that's wonderful.
00:41:52.860
Like cause it's how they're behaving is so delusional. So I'm going to do it back. I'm going to
00:41:57.120
match it. Wow. You're so genius. So I'm just like, you want to say that shit? You're not
00:42:01.700
real. Well, that's obviously AI. That is nice one. Deep fake. Like almost had me. You're
00:42:08.520
not going to get me. I almost thought that was a real person. I used to fight, um, in
00:42:14.060
the comments, love fighting. Um, I don't fight anymore just simply because I'm like, I'm not
00:42:19.300
going to let it, I don't have to defend myself and like prove to you that like whatever.
00:42:24.800
Like I, I'm just like, I would be online all day long if I had to, I feel that, you
00:42:29.640
know, you're telling me girl. So I mean, but I, I just, if I get hate, I'm like, this
00:42:38.240
is the point of art. Like I get illicit a response. What hurts my feelings is when
00:42:43.220
people like come for my character. I feel that same. And I'm just like, and it
00:42:49.280
comes from people you love or support. Yeah. People that, but, but then again, I'm
00:42:54.220
like the people who I, who are judging my character, I've never met them. I don't
00:42:59.940
know them. Yeah. They don't know me at all. Like, it's just like, I'm some, I
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wish people would look at me as like, that's a random person. Like you happen
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to like know the art that they make, but like, that's a random bit. Yeah. For
00:43:12.800
real. Like what they see is not everything about who you are. Like people are so
00:43:17.420
much more multifaceted than one. So they think that about me too. Like they think
00:43:23.280
I'm the meanest bitch alive. Like sometimes people will ask me like, are
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you just like this all the time? I'm like, no. Cause I don't hang out with
00:43:28.540
people I hate. Yeah. I don't spend time with men I fucking hate. Like I don't do
00:43:32.460
that. So no, I'm not like this all the time. Right. Or the, like, it's, it's a
00:43:36.980
very slippery, it's very frustrating when people like, they're like, oh, well
00:43:40.580
clearly she's a bad person. How would you know that? Why are you like, don't, don't
00:43:45.980
people feel dumb commenting things? I know. Hate like no, just nonsensical hate. Or
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it's like, I really didn't like her, but I didn't have a valid reason. And now
00:43:54.400
I do. Thanks for telling me. And it's like something made up. I've had that
00:43:57.880
about me too. Like people will just make people, men have created, talk about
00:44:02.200
fan fiction. Men have written the craziest fan fiction about me, like of who they
00:44:06.840
think I was and who, who I had to be in high school in order. I'm like, aren't
00:44:11.600
you 15? Aren't you also like, I was in high school 10 years ago. Like what the fuck?
00:44:15.840
You weren't even alive. Girl, you don't know anything about me from high school. I
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know. And I was like, and I was just as annoying and funny in high school. Sorry
00:44:23.380
to say. Someone, someone, one time, someone made a video about me. This is like
00:44:29.180
years ago. And like, I wasn't nearly as successful. Um, so I was like pretty much
00:44:35.660
watching anything that I was tagged in and it was this girl and she was like, I
00:44:42.200
know Chapel Run. She's like, she's like, I'm not, I hate Pink Pony Club. I hate that
00:44:48.860
shit. But like, regardless, I know she made fun. She was the girl in high school
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that got whatever she wanted and she made fun of the kids in special ed and
00:44:58.140
got away with it. What? And I was like, what a bizarre thing to say. Sounds like
00:45:03.340
you made people, you made fun of people. Yeah. I'm just like, what are you, um, first
00:45:08.580
of all, what does that mean? Yeah. Like that I have like, no, I just didn't know what it
00:45:13.180
meant. And so I, yeah. And I just like commented, I was like, ha ha ha ha. You're
00:45:17.220
so camp. Cause like, but now I don't like, you know, but that do it as much
00:45:21.840
anymore. That made me like, that made me like upset for real. Cause I was like, do
00:45:26.560
I give off that vibe? And it's like, even if I gave off the nicest vibe, someone
00:45:32.260
would, someone is still going to be like, yeah, she'll bully people if they have
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like, I bet when the cameras aren't off, she's not like that. Well, yeah, probably.
00:45:42.340
I mean, probably a little different. Yeah. I think about it like whenever I'm on
00:45:47.940
tour or like whatever, like performing in an interview, like I'm clocked into
00:45:53.460
customer service mode. Yeah. Like when I'm like not on like literally not doing
00:46:03.780
somersaults. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not clocked in. I'm not at work right now. Yeah. So
00:46:08.760
if you think that I'm rude, bitch, are you going to get mad at your barista who you see
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at the, at the mall and you're like, why aren't you, why are you being nice to you? You're
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not acting the way that I saw you act on the stage at Gov Ball. Why don't you ask
00:46:24.120
about my day anymore? What do you ask I'm doing anymore? It's like, bitch, I'm not, I'm not
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at work. Yeah. They feel very entitled to you as like a person once they
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feel like they know you very well, which is upsetting for a lot of reasons. I'm
00:46:37.200
just like, I get what you mean though. Cause sometimes I, I'm so like aware of
00:46:42.580
like fan interaction so that you're like, so everyone gets a good experience. Cause
00:46:46.920
you're like, I don't want anyone to have a bad experience meeting me. And the ones
00:46:50.560
who say that they're like, where did you meet? Like one time someone wrote a
00:46:54.100
comment like that about me saying, um, at Coachella, I was walking around. Like I
00:46:58.600
owned the place with my posse and I was like, posse? What the fuck? You mean, you
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mean Brittany Broski and then my sister and my boyfriend? Like what the fuck are you
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talking about? Like she owned the place. What? And I said, when did you see me there?
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Like, I don't, and so you didn't talk to me, you saw me from a distance and then
00:47:16.860
just assumed. Assumed. Yeah. Like I was, okay. That's what like freaks me out. I'm like, you
00:47:20.540
guys aren't like, like maybe sketched out that you're assuming stuff. Yeah. Like
00:47:25.580
you think you, because you assume it, it's true. Yeah. And you can't like, and
00:47:33.020
because you're a celebrity, they can't like, you can't prove them wrong. Like,
00:47:37.400
oh, then prove me wrong. What the fuck? Like it's so, it's so weirdly meta. It feels
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very black mirror in that sense. Cause you're like, I'm fighting against, technically
00:47:44.240
speaking, we are fighting against bots because we don't know them and we don't, a
00:47:47.580
lot of times you don't have faces to their profiles or whatever. Totally. So we're just
00:47:50.480
fighting ghosts really, which I'm like, I'm not going to sit and prove I'm a good
00:47:53.360
person to millions of people on the internet. I feel like, no, that shouldn't
00:47:57.000
be up for debate. And also they only do that to women. So they do, they never do
00:48:00.760
that to men. And you know what, especially in the, being a gay girl. Yeah. You're
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never an ally enough, no matter what. Yeah. Like it's just always something, always
00:48:09.460
something you could be doing better, which I'm homophobic. Let this be weird. Let
00:48:12.420
this be clear. Let it be known. I feel like I, I'm, I love making fun of
00:48:18.980
myself in a homophobic way, but like I'll fucking ride for trans, right? You
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know what I mean? Like, absolutely. I will, I like, well, you don't have to talk
00:48:28.840
about it cause you are about it. That's how I feel. That's the other thing. It's
00:48:31.280
like, you're like being an ally is so much more than just like posting on your
00:48:34.460
story. Yeah. Occasionally. Yeah. And I'm like, no, I actually walk in that shit.
00:48:39.340
Like I've lived that shit. It's your actions. Like I'm not going to try to
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like, that's, that's why I think about people who like just people online who
00:48:50.780
accuse of, you know, people in pop culture of not caring about a product, like
00:48:56.660
something that they really care about. It's like, they probably do. And aren't
00:49:00.800
like just disclosing that they're donating to the cause because that looks
00:49:04.020
performative. Yeah, totally. Or like, well, you would be accused of being
00:49:06.800
performative in that sense. Even if you did. Yeah. Even if you did. So I've, I've
00:49:10.040
had to talk about that too. Cause I've talked about even in my culture, like
00:49:12.540
in someone culture, uh, philanthropy, like we, we are a culture rooted in
00:49:17.080
service. So giving with no expectation of anything in return that includes
00:49:21.000
kudos, like talking about it. So like, I don't talk about a lot of the
00:49:24.620
philanthropy I do because that's not the point. The whole point is like to do it
00:49:28.820
cause you want to, not because you want to get praise for it. So also the way you
00:49:33.480
exist in the way the things you do now is literally like that's actively standing
00:49:39.720
up for and representing and pushing for it. You know what I'm saying? Pushing
00:49:42.700
things that you care about, which is important. That's why the people that know
00:49:45.800
you and love you know that you're about it. So you don't have to, that's why it's
00:49:49.820
like too much talking about it. Like I don't have to prove. That's why I said the
00:49:52.920
fucking Paul brothers gave one homeless guy a haircut and recorded the shit for
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millions of views. And now I have to document every good thing I do. Every fucking
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positive thing I do. I have to fucking film it and post it. To prove that. That I'm
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a good person. That's all. I was like, I'm a good person. Look at me. Look what I
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did. That's, it negates the point. I know, but it's sometimes it feels like you, I
00:50:12.620
want to do that because like, I feel so sad that people don't think otherwise.
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People think otherwise. Cause I, that is like a deep fear of mine. Like probably,
00:50:24.000
probably my greatest fear is try my best to be a good person. And one, no one
00:50:30.000
believing me or two feeling like I'm failing. Yeah. Like I think that's my
00:50:34.360
deepest fear. That's the only thing that really like makes me like genuinely very
00:50:38.840
upset about having a platform or being visible. Yeah. Because then it feels like
00:50:43.020
it's never enough. Like no matter what you do, which is exhausting because you have
00:50:47.340
to work at the same. So you're entertaining at the same time you have to do
00:50:50.140
that. I know. So it's like balancing it. It gets hard. It's not like really any other
00:50:55.900
job because you are like the jack of all trades. Yeah. I have to be like, you are
00:50:59.940
creating literally like when people are bored, they go to you. So not only like,
00:51:06.860
or like music, you know? Um, and yeah, whatever. It gets very upsetting, but I
00:51:14.700
think what's beautiful about what it is you do is that you've been the same and
00:51:18.360
been consistent for a very long time in your activism and then platforming what
00:51:22.720
you care about. Even when you were on the tonight show and you gave Sasha Colby
00:51:25.860
credit for, uh, my, your favorite artist, favorite artists like that in and of
00:51:30.660
itself, that's, that's like platforming and standing up for marginalized groups
00:51:35.860
because Sasha's not only drag queen, she's also trans. Right. And she's
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indigenous on top of that. So like, it's like a one, two, three, like that's
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shit. That's like about it. You're about it. You don't have to talk as much
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about it because you are about it. So I want to give you kudos. I'll give them to
00:51:49.180
you. Get behind me chapel. I'll fight whoever's mean to you. Bitch.
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I give you, I've been, I give you kudos to like, you really like are not afraid
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and, and that is so inspiring to be like, to like stand up for feminism. So
00:52:05.040
kudos to you. Thank you. I appreciate that. So to wrap us, right. I would love
00:52:10.460
to know what's your best piece of advice for anyone who maybe wants to get into
00:52:16.240
show business and maybe sits in a marginalized group currently and maybe
00:52:20.000
is a little afraid of that. Cause I, one thing I did see, I've seen a lot of
00:52:23.360
people who love you dearly talk about how like the way that you are, the way you
00:52:27.680
platform drag, the way you platform gay people in general, trans people in general,
00:52:31.580
like it inspires them and makes them feel safer. Like they can also be in the
00:52:36.340
industry too. So that's very powerful and that's something that they love about you
00:52:40.560
the most. So what would you say is your best piece of advice for them if they're
00:52:43.840
feeling a little afraid? Um, in general, I would say the best piece of advice I got
00:52:52.560
was like, you have to just do it yourself. Like you can't wait for like, maybe I'll
00:52:58.320
get like noticed or, you know, maybe I need a manager. I need a label. It's like, you
00:53:04.200
don't just do it yourself and it's good. You're going to have to be cringy. It just,
00:53:09.100
you just are. Embrace it. It's going to, it feels horrible. You have to do it. Embrace
00:53:14.160
the cringe. Every single artist has been cringey. Yeah. Either or is still is
00:53:22.800
unfortunately. Yeah. Um, but the way to do it is yourself at the beginning and it's the
00:53:29.660
hardest at the beginning because not only do you not have money, but you're also blindly
00:53:35.580
trying to figure it out. But luckily like, and that has to do with, you know, going in
00:53:41.000
like the queer community, dude, like that is like the queer community is a built in audience
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in like a way of like, they fucking ride for gay people. Like, and I, I, I do too. It's
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like the second that I hear someone is gay or like, I'm like, whatever you do, support it.
00:54:04.140
Like, you know, I'm in there. I'm streaming. So I think that, I think that some people,
00:54:10.580
it doesn't being queer, you never have to say it. You know, you don't have to, I know,
00:54:15.140
um, I talk about it a lot, but it never has to be at the forefront if you don't want it
00:54:20.720
to. Yeah. And like people who are scared, I, it is scary. I'm scared. I get it. I, this
00:54:29.300
is really, really hard and you don't have money like for like seven to 10 years, a long
00:54:35.040
time, a long, long time. But how I did it is like bait literally millions of baby steps.
00:54:42.880
And that's something about the career is like, it is rarely giant leaps. It is mostly baby,
00:54:50.020
baby, baby, baby steps. Um, all you have to do is take one baby step a day. You'll get
00:54:57.140
there. Look at you. Um, so I would say that. And I use, I still use my friends to like do
00:55:03.980
everything. Um, same actually like source in house. Exactly. That's what I mean by like
00:55:09.700
doing it yourself. Yeah. With your community. You have to source it. If you want it to be
00:55:14.080
right, you got to do the work and like you have to create the team of like, well, this
00:55:19.940
friend does like really cute, like graphic design or this one is like a really good photographer,
00:55:25.740
which is easy to find in LA. So like living in Missouri or like really anywhere else, it's
00:55:33.660
really hard to find groups of people like that. Totally. But like start following people that
00:55:40.500
you really like and see how they do it. Yeah. And like, that's how, yeah, it will come to
00:55:46.980
you if you want it. I also, also, I remembered too, when I had moon on, I was like, uh, who
00:55:52.060
are some other like queer artists that y'all are, are riding for right now? And they were
00:55:55.840
like, every time we say a name, they blow past us. They were like, like two years ago,
00:56:01.020
we were talking about chapel run and they were like, well, how much we were saying how much
00:56:04.840
we love her. And then she just exploded. They were like, so I'm not fucking talking about
00:56:12.160
anyone else. Every time they fucking blow past us. I was like, don't say that. That's
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not true. They love you. They're a big fan of you. It's not true at all. I was like, well,
00:56:24.440
they're like, well, we're gay famous. That's different. Like chapel's gay and mainstream famous.
00:56:29.760
I think you're gay famous. I feel gay famous on Twitter. Um, like in WeHo and in WeHo. Yeah.
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I'm like, but barely. Cause those are the type of the gays that if they see someone they love,
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they'll go like this. And then they'll key with someone else about it. Yeah. And they'll be like,
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whatever. Yeah. Like that. So like I'm gay Highland park famous. You know what I mean? Like Highland
00:56:56.280
park is like, um, Madam Pope, you know, like, like, I'm like myth Pope. Um, but in the real
00:57:04.360
world, I don't think it's hit me yet. Yeah. That's good. Stay in that bubble. It's scary. Cause
00:57:08.760
like, I realized that like now, like my security is like at risk at like airports and shit. Yeah.
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And like, just like, I don't realize how much I'm being perceived anymore. So now I have to
00:57:23.220
be like careful about like, you know, walking to my car. Like people are going to know what
00:57:29.360
my car looks like now or like watching if people are following me when you're driving,
00:57:33.900
when I'm driving or to my house. Like, so yeah. Anyway, I don't know why I'm on that tangent.
00:57:54.720
If you're chill with everyone, not like, like your family probably being like this bitch,
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like even when it comes to like drag or like wanting to do literally anything,
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any kind of performance, performance, whatever. Got to be okay with people not taking you seriously.
00:58:14.100
Yep. Having no money and it taking many years. Yeah. That's it. You know, when I did something
00:58:21.220
this, when I worked this past weekend, I worked with like a big sports thing and the way that
00:58:26.560
men go, so like, what do you do on TikTok? And I'm like, you're really not going to like the
00:58:31.420
answer to that. I rip you apart. Yeah. That's what you were on TikTok. We would not be friends.
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You hate me. You'd swap my house. Yeah. You would probably try to swap me. I just started going
00:58:41.580
on a tangent. Well, thank you so much, Ms. Chavarone for coming on. Thank you. You're a doll. I adore
00:58:47.000
you. I'm glad I found out we're twins in a lot of ways. Oh, we are. Look at us. You could, we have
00:58:51.680
a lot of likeness of us. We look exactly like, we look, if let me tell me the name of the Pilates
00:58:55.800
studio. I'll go and she'll probably ask the same thing. You look just like Chavarone. Has anyone told you?
00:59:01.680
I get that all the time too. I think people are like, are you Drew? Yeah. See?
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Are you that fucking bitch from TikTok? That's what they say to you. They're going to say,
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you look so much prettier in person. I'm going to be like, and you know what? Yeah, you're
00:59:12.940
right. I do. So what? Who cares? I filmed that video on the toilet. What do you want from
00:59:16.340
me? Want me a full beat on the fucking toilet? On the commode? Anyways, well, thank you so
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much to the amazing Chavarone for joining us. Thank you all for joining us on this episode.
00:59:25.060
I know everyone on this godforsaken show already follows Chavarone, but where can everybody
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find you? At Chavarone. Period. And do you have anything coming up that you would like to promo?
00:59:34.640
Well, I know you need the help, so. I do. Go ahead. Take your opportunity. Don't be a freak
00:59:38.640
to me in public. And also, um. Yes, please. Let her frolic. Let me somersault. Let her frolic.
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For God's sake. But yeah, I mean, this year is going to be fucking awesome. Yeah. We just
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announced a tour in the U.S. Period. And it's like the last leg of the Midwest Princess Tour,
00:59:56.400
so. Period. This is the last time if you want to come. I want to come. Come. She hasn't offered,
01:00:01.280
but that's okay. Come. That's really awkward, Chavarone. He didn't ask me once if I wanted
01:00:06.320
to come. Please come. Please come. I'll work the door at the Pink Pony Club. I'll work the
01:00:11.020
door. You have to be past me. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well, thank you so much for coming
01:00:16.700
on the show. Thank you for having me. You're fucking a star. I can't wait to keep watching
01:00:20.300
you rise. Same. And then I'll just be picturing you watching Family Guy at home. When I, when
01:00:25.760
I pick, when. You watch Family Guy? When Stewie comes on, I'll be like, Drewie. It'll
01:00:30.980
be like that SpongeBob episode where him and Mr. Krabs are separated. It's like this kitchen's
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not the same without you. That's you and me watching Family Guy on the opposite sides of
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the world. At the same night, I'm going to think of you every time I watch it. Thank
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you so much for joining us on this episode. Thank you so much to Ms. Chavarone. Don't forget
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new episodes of the comment section drop every Wednesday. You can stream the audio on all streaming
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platforms, but the video lives exclusively and for free on our favorite platform, Spotify,
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which you can also use to stream all of Chapel's music. Look at that. Look how perfectly it
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works. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you to my amazing guest, Chapel, and I'll see