LASHING OUT Ft. Atsuko Okatsuka | Episode 175
Summary
Comedian Atsuko Okatsuka joins Betsy and Amanda to talk about how she got her start in the comedy game, how she became one of the funniest people in the world, and how she almost died on stage at a comedy club.
Transcript
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People started making memes of me on me doing stand up at different natural disasters.
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Me on an erupting volcano, me in a flood, me in the middle of a tornado.
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Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the comment section show.
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Today, we have the iconic, the legendary, the unbelievably hilarious, Atsuko Okatsuka.
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Oh, is it my turn to, we introduce each other, right?
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I was like, oh, you know, it's very Simon Says.
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Like, oh, I mean, you would be surprised how some people would actually mess that up.
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I did a lineup show recently where I was going up after Ali Wong.
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And so after she was done, I was about to go up on stage.
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But then the producer stopped me and he was like, actually, no, never mind, don't.
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Because if we went back to back, the audience might, you know, get, right?
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As if I didn't get this haircut so that maybe people can tell people apart.
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I bet you somebody would be like, Drew had her cell phone.
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Which I think, I mean, you don't need me to tell you that.
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But I'd love to know, like, just so for those, maybe the two people that maybe don't know,
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what your lore is, how you got into stand-up, and how you got started in the first place.
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Oh, I got into stand-up, like, maybe 16 years ago.
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And I found a class on Craigslist because I didn't know how else to start.
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But back in the day, oh, my gosh, 16 years ago, going to open mics, they're always late.
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Like, it could go from, like, midnight to, like, 2 a.m.
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Just trying out a couple minutes of jokes and then going missing, that's not worth it.
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So, I actually found an all-female stand-up class.
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And when I showed up, luckily, like, it was actually.
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So, that, yeah, I found the class and then I started to take it.
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So, there was, like, a, you know, supportive environment to start.
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I love, I think that's wonderful, especially doing it 15 years ago, finding women who are also trying to pursue the same kind of, like, inundated with straight white guys industry.
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You know, you can concentrate on the craft without being like, is my skirt too short?
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And how was it when you were first going out on the scene?
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Like, after you started kind of learning and you started going, doing open mics and everything or working up to, like, a full hour, how was that experience for you?
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It actually took, like, years because I wasn't sure.
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I didn't want to, like, take it too seriously because I didn't have the confidence.
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They have enough stand-up comedians in the world.
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You know, at the time, they really made you feel like there was only 20.
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I mean, that's for sure how it made it feel like because how many people, how many comedians can people really name back then?
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That's why it was like Margaret Cho was the only Asian woman for a long time.
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So, you know, I just was like, oh, it's maybe like a hobby.
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I was afraid to say it was like a dream and, you know, a job of mine because I didn't want
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And so I, yeah, it took years for me to really, you know, take it more seriously.
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I'm a planner, but I'm a Virgo, but I don't know if you're a Virgo.
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Well, so I thought you were going to say, because you were like trying to keep up with me.
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I thought you were going to say that I'm distracted easily.
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I don't love showing my arms because I think I have a bug bite.
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Well, you're letting your hair down by taking your jacket off.
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I have a theory that if I shaved my head bald, I'd probably never sweat again.
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I'm unwilling to test the theory, but I have a strong feeling.
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Oh, because it's the hair that's keeping you warm.
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I feel like that's where most of my heat, my body heat is, is in my head.
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So that's why when I look at men, they turn to stone.
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Honestly, I think the haircut lends towards Gemini.
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Because one thing I love about Gemini's is Gemini's are so, first of all, always so
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They have such a, they have such a distinct sense of style, but it's like tailored to
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It's, it's air sign, water sign, land animal, right?
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Your first language is actually Gemini, I would say.
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Because I can't tell the difference of what they're like.
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Yeah, because you know how it's always like with spiders too.
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Oh, it has bitten me multiple times and my grandma too.
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So yeah, snake and a spider if people consider them an animal.
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I would say I have a healthy dose of fear of animals.
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Like animals that people would usually think is cute?
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And I just like, I don't like any sea creatures really.
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Birds are like, have you ever seen that thing about how they say crows remember faces?
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And I've seen, and what's sad about pigeons is they were first like grown to be eaten.
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When you like breed food that flies, it's hard to catch them.
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So then they were like, let's try to make them send mail.
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By the way, I didn't really have human friends until maybe like 10.
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So I'm trying not to act offended that you're, you're like afraid of my, afraid of my family.
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If you harm like a crow, like they memorize your face.
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A person should be taken down if they have enough strength.
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I take back what I said about your chosen family.
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And I would say too, a lot of my fear is based in honesty respect.
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Because I'm just like, I don't want to bother you.
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I don't want to like encroach on any territory.
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Like my theory is like, if Planet of the Apes ever happens, I'm just giving myself over willingly.
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And how would you go up to them to ask them this?
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Well, in the movies, they adapt and learn English.
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So I'm just, because I'm a lazy bumfuck American, I'm just kind of banking on them knowing English.
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I'm like, well, you live here, so you should know English.
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Because they'll be like, we don't need a translator.
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And then when they say that to me, I go, okay, what about a clown?
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The monkeys have adapted racism into their ether.
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I keep cutting my hair shorter and shorter to try to look different.
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To be honest, though, I can't tell a lot of animals apart.
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Some people have been like, Atsuko, you can't say.
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You can't tell me every golden retriever looks different.
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Have you seen that argument online where like a bunch of men were saying, if a hundred
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So like recently within the last like month or two.
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I'm assuming just general physical prowess over a gorilla, over a singular gorilla.
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I'm assuming that's what it is, but like I have a job, so I'm, I'm not too certain
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Why they would spend so much time on it, but I think it was just men trying to assert physical
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dominance in a fantasy scenario, which I think gets them off if I had to guess.
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And then they were like, it's going to take a hundred of us.
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They were just like, I think a hundred could take on one gorilla and it kind of just spiraled
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And I even, I, I even asked, cause my fiance knows a lot about animals cause he wanted
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So I asked him about animals pretty frequently and I was like, do you really think a hundred
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Cause I, I know a gorilla has unbelievable strength.
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So I was like, do you think a hundred men could take on a gorilla?
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He was like, I mean, I think so, but that would just be like wearing the gorilla out.
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It's not like whether or not one man could defeat him.
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It would just be, he would get overwhelmed by numbers eventually.
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Like, it's not like you're physically dominating him.
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He just gets tired and then gives up eventually.
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And it was funny cause my fiance and I were talking about it where we were almost like, I was
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like, okay, well let's say they're in the jungle.
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Like I was just presenting all these options cause I just don't want men to win.
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So I was like, well, let's say it's nighttime and it's raining.
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If he picked them off one by one, like the predator, do you think the gorilla would win?
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And then he was agreeing with me and I said, perfect.
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It sounds like gorilla wins and is alive either way.
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I was like, let's pivot back to your comedy career.
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When you put it back on, you're giving Virgo and you take it off, you're giving Gemini.
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I've had to give more Virgo as I aged, actually.
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It's something I had to learn because, because I was so unorganized.
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And then, so I had to think more ahead, plan for future me, you know?
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That is why we were successful, but mentally ill.
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When did you feel like it was actually, because I know you were saying that you were a little
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worried to call it like your dream or your career in the beginning, but when did you feel
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This is actually something that's turning into a real thing.
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Yeah, for me, I have to like do what I don't like to do first and be like, ooh, that's
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I always say like the key to life is knowing who you're not.
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It's easy to be like, you know, okay, just find out what you like.
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But I know immediately when I feel, ooh, I don't like this thing that I'm doing right
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And in art school, I was like, ooh, I had spent three years, you know, on two majors.
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Like one was creative writing and another was filmmaking.
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I was like, but God, I really miss doing standup, you know?
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And I knew that it didn't feel, if I thought about doing, you know, like filmmaking forever,
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I was like, oh, I don't think that's my true passion.
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And then so after art school, I was like, I want to just try it, give standup more of
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And my husband at the time who was, you know, we were just dating, he was like, you know,
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You know, like I'll work extra shifts and you just go and, you know, do more, more shows.
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And I love a man who's married to a funny ass bitch.
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Would you say you're funnier than your husband?
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Because we could never be with someone who's not funny.
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I have four walls around me at most times all day.
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I'm already with, along with my thoughts most of the time.
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But what I love about that is you're with someone, like you are a very successful, amazing
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And I think that's, I think it's so fucking awesome when funny, successful women are with
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I'm trying to imagine them right now and I just see them.
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I can't imagine them because they're like, where are they?
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Have you met these people physically in person?
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I've met a couple of men in person who I could tell really don't like when women are funnier
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So I'm sure you've been in circles where some men, they kind of start showing a little
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bit of, they show some flickers of like irritation when you're running the room.
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Like you're kind of like, all right, someone's jealous.
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I had just probably blacked out their face, but now they're coming back at a show or something.
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Or even in like, uh, if you're in like mixed company, like you're with people and you met
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new people and then you can tell there's a dude that really doesn't like when women are
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killing it, telling jokes, just generally like entertaining.
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So I've met, I've met quite a few men like that.
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And then most, and then the rest of them kind of live online.
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Cause their picture is like a rabbit or something.
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But if I do find what they look like, they're always ugly.
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Because if I saw me being hilarious and I looked like you and I was an asshole, that would suck.
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Plus they're actually fans cause they'd be watching.
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Speaking of like, have you ever, this is one of my favorite questions to ask, uh, female standup
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comedians, but like, have you ever gotten unsolicited advice, any memorable, like unsolicited
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advice on your, on your jokes, on your tags or anything like that from men?
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I think I have, I will say in the past when I have like done, uh, gone on tour and my husband
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So when I was like more start like earlier on in my touring, which was not too long ago,
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A lot of times the husband of the wife, who's the fan of mine will go up to Ryan, my husband
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He won't talk to me, but he goes to my husband and we'll say, you know, like, you're so funny.
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I didn't think she would be, or like, you know, I didn't know because my wife's the one that
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And my husband would be like, you should listen to your wife more.
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And, uh, you should tell Atsuko that she's funny.
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So, so it's a little different than what you had asked, but that's what I could remember.
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It's like, it's very like their pride's a little too big to tell you to your face.
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You're so, they, they have to tell you two, like two steps left of center.
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They're like, you should tell her she's really funny.
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I was going to say, it's, it's such a backhanded compliment.
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And then I get, you got a couple of chuckles out of me.
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I wonder if that's why I keep my hair because it's kind of like a deterrent.
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It's like you're in or you're out very quickly.
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You're, you're going to be that person that didn't think I was going to be funny anyway,
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Well, I still get comments online sometimes from these guys.
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You know, it's always about my hair, but it's always like, is it a boy or girl?
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This is somewhere in the middle and I'm confused.
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So it's like, well, they're, I can't, they're never going to listen to the words out of my
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If that is the real reason, like if you find out one day deep down, that was part of the
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reason that you really like love your hair like that.
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Like it's, and it's in a way that's like, that's what I think is a tributes to like removing
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It's like you do what you like because that makes you feel confident.
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And when men don't, don't find it attractive, they like get upset at you.
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Like they're like, everything you do is supposed to make me want to fuck you.
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So like they get, they take that shit so personal.
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It, you know, I wonder if some female comedians have ever wanted to just be like an avatar and
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Because it comes so much with your physical appearance.
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And it's funny too, because even female standups, I talked to my friends in comedy about this
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Like there are some things they can't even joke about that men can joke about.
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Like they could say the exact same joke and it will obviously be received differently
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when it comes from men, especially if they're white men.
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And I was like, I was joking around with my friends the other day and I was like, oh man,
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if I gave that joke to a white straight guy pursuing comedy, he'd sell out Madison Square
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If I gave that to him, if I said it, they'd be like, um, I think that's kind of fucked
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up because, oh, you know, all of a sudden there's logic being applied to comedy.
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They'll never see you again with the same joke.
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What would you say has been your most memorable milestone in your career so far doing standup?
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Um, it's hard because, you know, you always think, oh, this is it.
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Wait, cause I wish it was like a marathon where you knew like now I'm at mile five, mile
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And then the finish line is literally physically tangibly there.
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With comedy, it's like, oh, it's, oh me, you know, opening for Margaret Cho.
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Oh, it's me doing, you know, having an HBO standup special.
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There's, you know, and that was just two years ago that I had my HBO standup special.
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And then, you know, so there hasn't been a third yet, you know?
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And so, you know, and then sometimes you think, oh, I did a standup set during an earthquake
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It's funny because that's on your fun facts with me on here.
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I have some fun facts that she once got hit with an earthquake in the middle of a live
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People started making memes of me on me doing standup at different natural disasters.
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In the video, you could see that the room is shaking like that.
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I'm not the kind of person that's like, oh, I'm just so, I was born so hot and everything.
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But for me, yeah, it's always like, oh, of course I have a mom with schizophrenia.
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And of course, oh, of course we're, you know, moving to America.
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Like, you know, I thought it was a vacation at first.
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And then they were like, you're going to stay here.
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Do you look at it and you're like, well, no wonder I turned out funny.
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Yeah, I will troll every person as a crow for the rest of my life.
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Yes, because, yeah, I mean, I told my grandma, I said, by the time it's like, OK, so you kidnapped
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Now we're undocumented in America living in a garage.
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I said, Grandma, if you wanted me to become a comedian, you should have just told me.
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We could have cut all of this middle stuff out.
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This is, you know, it wasn't supposed to happen.
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My biggest dream, because I was afraid to dream big, was to work at an ice cream parlor.
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As a kid, I wanted to work at an ice cream parlor.
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I said, does everyone reach their dream this quick?
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I would like, I don't know what to, that's too much power.
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I was going to say, are you afraid of the power?
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Or you'll, you'll be like, turn into a supervillain.
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I could, you know, get someone to help bathe my grandma.
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You know, buy another house next to your grandpa's.
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Then your grandma moves in on the one next door.
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So we're just one big, and then they'll really think we're related.
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I haven't even asked her, her goals and dreams.
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She's like, bitch, I went through one question.
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I'm going to rapid fire some fun facts about you.
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Sorry, we're literally Lindsay Lohan in the parent trap.
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I'm sorry that time flies when you're having a good time.
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I'm just going to spit them at you and then you give me whatever reaction you would like.
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Because I, you know, the cans that you kind of huff.
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Now she's mad because she's going to miss me because I'm leaving.
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She has to do another episode after this, but it's not going to be as fun.
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Sometimes the people you get along with the most are your first bullies.
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That's what says you were a cheerleader in high school.
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I quit cheerleading because I got too big to be a flyer and they wanted to make me a base.
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Because they kept casting girls lighter and lighter.
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I was like, okay, I guess all the catching bitches.
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Okay, it says your parents met on a Japanese dating game show.
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It says you used to teach dance fitness classes in LA.
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Any particular type of dancing or is it just kind of free?
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I was the closest thing to Jamaican they could find.
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It was just me and 10 to 12 white soccer moms finding their hips for the first time.
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That's me when I got hired in college to do a hula for a birthday party for bougie rich
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And they were going to pay me like what was a bajillion dollars to me at the time.
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And I said, if a real hula dancer saw me perform that, they'd be like, that's not.
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Oh, it was the Craigslist thing was also on here.
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It says you originated the drop challenge across the Internet inspired by Beyonce's partition music video.
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I was just having fun with my grandma around little Tokyo, Los Angeles.
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I had the song in my head and I was like, oh, man, that part that goes.
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Wouldn't it be so fun if your body also dropped during it?
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And so I just started doing it around little Tokyo.
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The world was like, we like that drop taken by storm.
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And then the last one says in 2014, you made a short documentary called In Waiting about your real life mother and grandmother.
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I feel like, you know, that's so that was when I was, you know, in art school.
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That was when you decided, God, I hate filmmaking.
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I was like, oh, yeah, because I was like, I want I finished the movie and I was like, excuse me.
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I was like, how are they going to know it's three generations of women?
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And it's a, you know, it's a very emotional piece.
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But, you know, I could have shown more face in it.
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Well, thank you so much for coming on the show.
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Well, this is a wide that can see us pretty well.
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Laura can airdrop it to you, too, if she makes it.
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We should do one where we're just like laughing.
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Oh, tell us when and then we'll start chatting.
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Walt, that was the first time you saw us do it live.
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Thank you so much, Otsko, for coming on the show.
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For offering to drive me to Burbank, my next stop.
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My sister's going to host the next episode, right?
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Well, then you'll be in the chair and they won't be able to tell the difference.
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Thank you all so much for tuning in to this episode of the comment section.
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And I'm honored to have been with you here today, twin.
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