OH IT’S EASY? THEN YOU DO IT Ft. Maren Morris | Episode 143
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In this episode of The Comment Section Show starring me, your fave, Maryn Morris, I chat with me about how she got her start as a songwriter, how she started writing songs, and what it's like to be an artist in the 21st century.
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i am gonna invite you and you cannot rescind it because it's on camera
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so i'll i'll sing the middle at the reception what do you want
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the way i got chills on my spine the way i got butterflies
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hey everyone and welcome back to another episode of the comment section show starring me your fave
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everybody knows me who cares about me on to the guests before we get there though sorry spooky
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season's over but it's all right we're back to satan's school for girls yeah go ahead and clip
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that all the men who fucking hate me anyways on to the guests today we have the iconic the
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legendary the ridiculously talented maryn morris welcome to the show thanks to all the men that
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hate me amen amen sister amen we're in a safe place yes you're in good company with me here love i'm
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so happy to have you honored to have you on the show i feel it's surreal seeing you in person
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the the like hours i've spent watching uh you on tech talk so i was gonna say me and maryn we've
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been mutuals for a while yeah for a minute so i know that you think i'm funny yeah which i do brag
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about and has been on my resume funny hope that's cool with you i'm on there okay cool i'm just funny
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and like philosophical and like even in my like worst like hours of like the last year i was like
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i just like dive into your rants and they're just yeah i'm just like fuck yes someone said it and
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it's always you thank you i appreciate that maryn and i uh am a huge fan of you i think you're
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so unbelievably talented and past your talent i really admire you for how convicted you are in
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your beliefs uh obviously because the specific niche of music that you make can be quite
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exclusionary sometimes but you've always been very upfront about being inclusive as a artist which i
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love and admire about you and i want to tell you before i forget thank you because i make so many
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wiener jokes that the serious shit just flies right out of my brain i forget i get it so i have to tell
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you early we can we can do both we can do both but that means a lot um i think it's just it's
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becoming a little bit more uh it's not as niche to like have those opinions and yeah we can talk to
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each other on a more open connected level now so thankfully i feel like that ages me a bit because
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like my first record was literally only in 2016 but there was no tiktok there wasn't even like apple
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music yet it was just spotify and itunes and then you could like go buy the cd at target or walmart but
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now it's like everything is so different and yeah it's just there's more channels of being able to
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like tell someone the full context of who you are totally not just through the channels of like the
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song or yeah like a polished interview now it's just way more about authenticity and totally not
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overthinking everything absolutely and i do want to talk to you about that because i well first let's
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get into your lore because it's extensive but i do i'm familiar with it but for those that are living
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under a rock and maybe haven't heard of you before or know or familiar with your journey
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um can you talk about how you got into music like when it really like kind of took off for you
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kind of yeah of course yeah i'm from texas originally and outside of dallas and arlington texas i've been
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performing and playing in bars and honky tonks and kind of like cutting my teeth live music wise that
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way for you know since i was 11 12 years old which shocks a lot of people yeah that i was playing in
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bars at that age but um i learned how to sign a bar tab um how to play for three hours for drunk
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people um yeah audience i mean there's a part of me that like would never do it again but then also
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it pisses me off that like these tiktok artists that are like 17 will never have to go through that
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because i was like that really built some like hair skin and gumption and like you just are gonna
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fucking get through it and yeah and learning to just be background noise because you're not the
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center of attention yeah it's you're usually doing covers like it's you're not the star yeah but um
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you're also like as a songwriter witnessing a lot of mania um sexual detention uh affairs
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drunk people in bathrooms like at a young age so as a you know i can only imagine as a songwriter
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that started in country music that that was perfect uh fodder for that but yeah i've lived
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in nashville though for almost 12 years okay moved there when i was 22 to like just write for other
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people yeah and uh i didn't really want a record deal or to be an artist anymore i was like i had
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grown up doing that and so after that experience you were kind of like yeah i was just burned out
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like i had burnout at like a very young age and then uh nashville kind of like put the gas in my
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tank again to like be creative and that's good and like collaborate because i think i was so like
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texas is so big that the music scenes there are like dallas is so far away from houston which is so far
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away from austin and san antonio and they all have their own niche music scenes so nashville is like
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the melting pot of yeah everyone there is a transplant kind of like la where it's just everyone's from
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somewhere else you're all there for a reason yeah and mostly creative music reasons and not
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everyone's there for like country music like you know there's all types of genres going on there but
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uh i would say the main you know export is like the mainstream country music world but i had like
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some mild success as a songwriter there like my first song that was recorded by another artist was
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tim mcgraw and like you know og like that was a massive um kick in the door for me just
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credibility wise on music rel which is where all the like uh publishing houses are yeah and then
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like kelly clarkson recorded a song of mine and that kind of opens up the like pop world for me
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so yeah and then i wrote this song out here actually in la um i was going through a breakup and i wrote
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this song called my church and i just like had this kind of nausea of like i will be sick if someone
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records this that isn't me love and i don't know i just marked my territory on it and i found my
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manager janet and we put this out on spotify with no label just did it ourselves and within like
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two or three days it had like a million streams which was unheard of at the time and like all the
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labels in nashville are now like who the hell is this chick like and um kind of like two labels
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ended up getting into like a bidding war over me and i was able to like leverage that into like a
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pretty great recording deal and then i don't know like that was the first song i ever put out and so
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the rest was history as they say yeah that's what uh that's kind of what megan trainer said too like
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she was like i was writing for other people for a long time and then i wrote one that i was like i
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need to do this one like this one's for me yeah i think actually she and i were at the same
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publishing house um it was like a sort of smaller one uh called big big yellow dog and she i guess
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wrote all about that base yeah and then was like i am the only one that can record this yeah so yeah
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love her yeah and you have a very similar story i love that so after the initial like launch like
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how was it like going kind of from being behind the scenes to now being completely front-facing and
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like the future of country music like at the time at the time yeah i i mean it was daunting i think
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i had been well prepared for it though just having had that background of performance well that's
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good and i was also 26 when my record came out so i was already like established in the way of like
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my frontal lobe was developed that's t i say that all the time every time i talk about it i'm like
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because i just turned 29 not too long ago and i every time i say that people are like damn because
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everyone on tiktok is 11 so every time people who are my peers and make the same amount of money
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they're like 17 and so yeah whenever i talk about it i'm like i was a an adult when i got this i was
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sometimes when people are like how do you think so confidently about that well first of all i'm not
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a child age i think sometimes they just think i'm like 22 which yeah i don't ever want to go back
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to that age no it was a nightmare i'm cool with getting older yeah i like i mean obviously there
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are people that can are well equipped to handle it young like i mean not very many of them though
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i was gonna say taylor swift maybe yeah it's the only one that's like started at 14 15 became
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massively famous and never stopped being that big yeah just got bigger yeah and didn't like lose their
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mind or at least not in a way that we've seen yeah yeah truly so and it's hard not to you've done it
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long enough now i've barely been doing it for however long and i i'm not even kidding like two years
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into doing this i was like i get why people go insane yeah i get it i have women especially like
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i totally get it yeah there's like an annual um and i i prepare for it now it's just annual like
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mini breakdown oh my god me just allow yourself the space to have one one huge one clear out the
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cobwebs yep yep yep yep and then you're okay yeah i talk about it like expelling my venom like a snake
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like i'll die if i don't do it no you gotta get it out someone's gotta really squeeze my goiter and
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spit it out otherwise i'm gonna burn a city down you know what i'm saying i'm like i'll literally
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burn down a hospital it's in everyone's best interest i do it yeah sorry or i'll like burn
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myself down yeah and then like yeah no like no one can get anything from me so yeah i was like this
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is i'm useless in that sense yeah it can't work yeah yeah so as long as you make space for like
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the annual breakdown i think it's okay um and we should talk about it my son's aries okay i love that
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i'm a leo rising which totally makes sense yeah uh libra moon um so i never really identified with
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like aries until my 20s where i was like oh shit i actually am extremely opinionated and stubborn
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and um like short fused i love aries people what are you i'm a virgo okay so i'm like i'm i'm real
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opposite in a lot of ways aries people i always kind of summarize them as like if you're you know when
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you're driving a car and you're kind of like what if i just like off the road killed everyone or
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whatever happens happens aries people are that thought but if they did it i hate that you're
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saying this they're like i'm sure it'll be fine and most times it works out and it's fine but that
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kind of uncertainty stresses me out as a virgo like i need plans and a structure and yeah i told my
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therapist that once where i was like i used to fantasize like in my teen years just about driving
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off the highway and she's like um okay we need to get into this then see me being a virgo i'm always
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right yeah you you just clocked me i feel like you clocked my soul slid out of my ass that's why i
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say aries people give into that feeling and i think that's why i get along with aries really well because
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i could never in a million years but like i like one of my best friends in college was in aries and so
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i always describe her as like i never would have had fun or done like any of the cool shit i did
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and if she wasn't in my life yeah and she would have died if i wasn't in hers so it works right
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respect the toxic yeah we get we get a good like balance of fun and staying alive yeah i love that
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yeah yeah we need that really well with them we need those people but okay so well going back to
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your illustrious career yeah um once you really start like establishing yourself as an artist and like
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like a musician um when do you start noticing where you you want to be more vocal about your beliefs
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and how you feel like as far as ideologies go especially considering you started in country
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like how did you feel about that kind of um it happened pretty quick just because um at least
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in country music i don't know if they still do it this way but you know before streaming was sort of
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the main way we would consumed music radio is still like extremely powerful yeah yeah particularly in
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country so we would do these things called radio tours where the label would send an artist out for
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six weeks to six months and just go to like 150 stations around the country like you know we're
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flying frontier we're flying southwest at like 5 a.m we're staying in like you know comfort ends or
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worse um red roof ends yeah red roof plenty of those um i do like a hampton end okay i love a hampton
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yeah those beds are comfortable but you just go and plan these conference rooms for program directors or
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like their staff and you buy them lunch and um it's very bizarre and very old school and then you'll do
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like maybe two or three stations in a day and then you'll go out for dinner with them and it's always
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a steakhouse don't know why they always request a steakhouse and you're paying for it like it's going
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back on your deal is that just to get them to like play the song on the radio is it like trying to
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wine and dine them both i mean yeah it's both it's it's very transactional yeah i will say like the
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the nice people i met in radio particularly always women and um you know had their own axe to grind
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within that world because it is you know again very male dominated and so for me that was always like a
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weird part of the job but it was also like i got to pay my dues i don't want to complain this is what
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everyone else has to do including the men artists like so you know just like get get through it and
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i remember like i was dealing with massive strep throat throughout that entire year i ended up
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having to get like a tonsillectomy because i was sick all the time from the travel yeah yeah i bet and
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um so it was gnarly but like obviously i ended up getting radio play and obviously i do think like
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my songs had something to do with it too like duh but also there's just a lot of ring kissing and
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but i think i noticed really quickly that i needed to be more vocal and like state my boundaries beyond
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private and do it publicly was i was at like a post-show meet and greet um i was opening for
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keith urban and it was like the best tour like he's so lovely the catering was fucking bomb like i
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we talk about this catering like eight years later i'm still thinking that's how good it was um well
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because not every tour has it oh i bet yeah i know but it was like such a cool learning experience he's
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like so great with everyone he works with but there was like a radio guy from the local station that came
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to my meet and greet after my set and was just super drunk probably on my labels dime or mine actually
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because it will go back to my account that i have to recoup but just got drunk before the show
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probably missed my entire set and then like wants to get photos after and he was just like really
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handsy with me and this is one of luckily not that many times it happened to me i know plenty of friends
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of mine it's happened to way worse so mine was like i guess one of the lucky ones but he was just
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super drunk and gross and like hanging all over me and giving a lot of like spouty opinions about what
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my next like single should be and how don't pick a ballad because people don't want to hear like
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sad women on the radio and i was like have you heard country music bitch like the whole thing
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is well we all know keith urban's all sunflowers and rainbows and nothing sad but like the best
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country songs to me are like the hard-hitting like real life isn't that the whole point of country
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yeah it really hits you in the feels i know right i mean loretta lynn literally has a song called the
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pill right it's hello that's real life shit and so whatever his skew of what i should be doing or
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what women should be like looking or sounding like within the confines of the radio of country
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it was just and also just yeah him being really inappropriate i was like this is i got out safe
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on this one yeah but like i know plenty of women friends of mine that haven't and male friends too
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male artist friends that have dealt with that shit so um yeah that's kind of when my light bulb turned on
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of like we've got to stop like normalizing this behavior and um there has to be a way to be able
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to be successful in this without having to deal with that yeah like stomach it yeah so in order to
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avoid being blackballed yeah which now i mean obviously like felt a little naive to even have
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that optimism at the time but right yeah i mean there's a lot of like boundaries um inconveniently
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that i've set up you know in the last decade yeah i'm glad i'm glad you have especially i feel like
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too that's another testament to women being so violently aware of bullshit like that so much
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a lot of times earlier than men do when they go through the same like uh journey or career path
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it's kind of like the harvey weinstein shit like a lot of people knew already but women told each other
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yeah they said hey don't ever be alone with him don't ever if he ever invites you the way that women
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have to guard rail each other because men are doing fucking shit to protect us so we're like okay
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then we'll have to protect each other i can't talk about him publicly because i'll never work again so
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i'm just gonna warn people behind closed doors that shit's nuts i know and it's prevalent in every
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part of entertainment yeah i'm not surprised at all that it exists in music oh my god the diddy stuff
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like i know shit i mean we don't even know like the tip of even the tip of the iceberg of that yeah
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like the the way that it spreads like a fucking poison is insane yeah but that's why i'm glad
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that's why i admire you so much because i feel like you have been very vocal about many things
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and it is brave to do that is it's very scary trust me i fucking know right to be like especially
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when when you say one thing you become like almost like the spokesperson for that entire genre
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right so they're now you're speaking for all of them but you're like i'm only speaking for me i can't
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speak for anybody else yeah that's why i admire you so much for being so upfront about what you
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believe in what you think is right it's hard for people to just especially women thanks you know
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what i mean like and you're still here yeah i'm still doing fantastic yeah i mean it's it's thank
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you i mean i i think what you were saying about you can't be because i did feel like i've even said
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this in an interview before i was just like i can't be the fucking like hall monitor yeah all the
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time yeah for like people's bad behavior truly and like i you know i got off twitter um after a few
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too many like clapbacks um and it's like i never regret what i say but it's also like i have to take
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care of myself it's exhausting yeah and like just those fears of you know i have a four-year-old little
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boy and being doxxed or like just anyone ever being like dangerous like it's happened uh just feeling
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unsafe like yeah i mean i bring him on the road with me and i don't show him or his face on social
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media um but like yeah just those things that i can do to protect him but at the same time like
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if anything that i ever say comes back or like riots up these crazies yeah yeah because there are some
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yeah um and i've gotten into tiffs with like very public people um uh yeah telling me yeah you and me
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both yeah yeah it's like you're sending up almost like the bat signal on yourself to be you know
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abused and so death threats like this and that like that stuff is very real like everything seems like
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it's only existing within the confines of uh a wi-fi connection but like it's you know when it gets real
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and things are being sent to your house and shit like that it's like yeah you do have to kind of
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figure out ways to maintain your morality and like do that publicly and keep that bravery but also
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yeah there are certain things where it's like i don't need to shoot this off on twitter i girl i've
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only learned the hard way telling me me too same honestly that's why i relate so heavily to what
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you're talking about especially with yeah but like you only you do it like truly when someone's being
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like crazy out of pocket like i i downloaded twitter back to watch the pearl stuff unfold with you
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yeah because i was like you're just so well you're well spoken and you also have like an acid tongue
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and like it's just so and you do it within the like however many characters they allow now period
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yeah i know they they really they really fucked up giving me more than 140 on twitter yeah i deleted my
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twitter too though transparently um just because like you said there has to be a balance at some point
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like obviously for me like this this greatness was thrust upon me in the sense of like the mantle they gave
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me was i did not ask for that nor did i think that was going to be the case i'm happy to do it even
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sometimes like when i get i get criticism all the time but especially from people that are like well
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i just think there's better ways to do it and sometimes i tell i tell them i'm like then fucking
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do it right tag in bitch i'm lonely out here what the fuck i am fighting by myself i am doddling an army
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alone i'm john snow where are the allies i know i'm the bastards i'm like where are the knights of the veil
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yeah exactly i'm just alone i'm i'm being suffocated under hundreds of bodies like and
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that's uh it is a mantle you carry like i totally get what you're saying as far as like you become
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a patrol and then it's like that's all i ever do and then on top of that that's all i'm ever consuming
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like i had to i had to kind of like start discerning what i did and didn't want to talk about because
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there are certain things that are just too horrible to platform and i refuse to yeah and there are men that
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i've fucked up before in a silly way and then i found out they like genuinely are evil to their
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core and i refuse to talk about them anymore because i'm not giving i'm not breathing life
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into that name on my platform anymore for sure people like if you really want people to disappear
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you have to de-platform them you have to ignore them like and pretend they're dead so that's what i do
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i've done that well with a woman but um yeah oh me too i did that with that woman that you just
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yeah i did that with her too when i got engaged they were like i wonder what pearl thinks i don't give a
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fuck what she thinks yeah i don't care what she thinks about literally anything at all ever but
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especially me i don't care no and they're just like begging for the like engagement and it's you
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kind of realize how powerful you are though because you're like when i stop engaging even if it's not
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with a specific person but even a platform yeah it like it kicks up and you realize you like trade
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it up too because it's like okay you traded the like stress of twitter or x for like a new york
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time's best-selling book amen that's your channel now like do that i know that that twitter calls
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to me like the green goblin mask you know what i'm saying like whispers and i'm like i know i know
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but mostly honestly the only reason i felt like that about twitter was because on twitter i really
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could be mean there yeah see like when i'm fighting on tiktok that's me fighting with two
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hands behind my back if if they really let me these people would never show their face in public ever
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again yeah we're going into the gutter right yeah but twitter is such a hellscape that i can say
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whatever i want on there and that's not a good thing yeah yeah so that's actually really bad we
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need to be regulated a little bit just a tiny bit i need a little bit of a leash i'll admit it
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sure of course i do it's so true like i when i redownloaded it um for your discourse to watch my
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fight i hadn't been on in like three years and so after elon took over it i was like this is
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insanity on here it's nasty and it's gross and i had like a burner account and i was like i can't be on
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here like what the hell am i watching it's just like porn clips and like ai crazy like i know it's
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just insane it's gross over there i know really it's going down and it's going down fast i'm glad
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you i'm glad you deleted yeah i got out while the building was burning you know yeah you know i went
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out on top i'd say i that's when you have to know when to fold them yeah just yeah get out totally
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right after you bested a bitch well that's why i think you're you're fantastic in that sense too
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because it's one of those i feel like and i'm sure you agree with the sentiment too where there's
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are certain there's certain levels where i'm like yeah debating with you is not going to give me
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anything because you want to go viral and you can't do it without me and then on top of that like
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you just are committed to misunderstanding me because every time i like the the three times a
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year i'm like trying to be serious in the shit i'm saying like i'm not i'm not telling them mean
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jokes about what they look like uh the three times i do it they're always like well then you should
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invite me on your show and debate me why the fuck would i do that yeah who's that benefiting
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yeah girl what do i get out of that other than psoriasis like my scalp itches yeah near me i don't
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want you near me i know i'm gonna catch something yeah i think you i think you being like yeah i don't
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need to engage with this anymore just there's power in that there's autonomy in that which i love
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there is and i think like they only kind of gain notoriety notoriety sounded so southern just now
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notoriety um they only gain that through yeah exactly like you said your engagement and you
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just realize like how powerful your pen is or your your statements are and that like is scary as hell
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because it's like i didn't realize what i was saying meant this much but i guess it does and it like
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really starts to pick up traction with like tabloids or like just stupid press outlets and you're like oh my
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god like that was just it was literally a tweet and it was a passing moment but now it's like i still
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look back at everything and i'm like i stand by everything i said me but it's so me yeah i there's
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no regret like the intention was absolutely correct yeah no i meant what i said i just like i don't need
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to say it anymore or ever like speak to you again yeah so yeah just enjoy that life but um no it's
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it it does get exhausting but there's such a like liberation from it too because it's like
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i've had to walk away from a lot of toxic things in my life like even recently it's just um bubbling
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up into um a lot of like identity things too with my like genre of music and like the things i love
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about country music like the the lyrical realness the songwriting integrity my community in nashville too
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which is still very much there like i write a lot out here in la but my my close friends the people
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that i built something in a sound with are nashville based so and it's very like this is the thing too
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not that i want any more people like coming to nashville because it's like getting so crazy but
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it's such a melting pot that like everyone's just it is progressive and yeah i feel like it's it gets
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this bad rap because it's kind of steeped in a lot of these conservative ideals and like
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misogyny racism like that's all obviously very much still there and not just nashville like you
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know everywhere but i i think uh there's still something about that place that like i have not
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pulled the plug on and it like keeps me there because it's like i was talking to um it was like
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at the glad awards last summer um i was getting an award and so was jonathan van ness and love jvm i
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know they've been on the show too we love them i know they live in austin texas now and i was like
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why like i love austin yeah i i mean i think that too when i see their posts i know and i'm i'm from
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texas austin's like one of my favorite cities in the world but just knowing jonathan's lived in like
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la new york i was like you chose to live in austin why and they were like well we we shot a season of
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queer eye there i fell in love with the the city and they were like i just feel like i i i can affect
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more change living in the state where these laws and are actively abusive than living in a a city where
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it's extremely progressive everyone kind of like votes and thinks the same as you for the most part
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which is like i totally get that too it's like you want to flock to a city of where you feel safety
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yeah that's absolutely fair but i think that kind of what jvn said about that i was like i think that's
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what keeps me in nashville too yeah totally is like i feel like there's a there's a community there that's
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like building and building yeah and we need to have like allies there to keep it building absolutely if
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we all like become expats and live in new york and london or la yeah you lose you lose really
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beautiful places that were meant for something more than that yeah they've over time evolved into
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something that feels very exclusionary and very bigoted yeah um which is not anyone's not our fault
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who are existing currently right now right who actively want to change that don't want that to be
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the case yeah but i think that's a powerful thing too like um wanting to wanting to show people
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all the wonderful beautiful parts of nashville as opposed to what it's become known for sure which
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is again i think that's a powerful thing too i think it's important like and i and i've talked
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about that before when people ask me like oh like do you think there's any hope for change like do you
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think that like men are gonna change and blah blah blah i'm like well none of the men i stitch are
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gonna fucking change i can promise you that they're gonna die that way but that's besides the point
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um i was like i don't think change will come from people who inherently hate minorities or
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marginalized people just all of a sudden turning on a light i think what's gonna change is is we
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build something new that's what changes and we leave them to die out like their bloodlines should
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stop and we should leave them to die yeah and then we should focus on each other and we should focus on
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building community within each other and we should grab all the people on the fringe people who are
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at risk of tipping to that side those are people you can get you can't get people who've made up their
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mind like i know so i feel like that's how you feel about nashville it's like well i'm gonna let
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those people die out but i'm gonna carve out something new yeah that will focus on what i
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what i love about nashville and what you love about country music because country music is beautiful
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i don't know a lot about it but it is beautiful well it's it is and like there's so there's such
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a huge like fan base that's younger now for it which like it's really happened in the last couple
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of years but living in nashville i think like um like gen z gen alpha like you know i have a four-year-old
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so it's like i think also the other thing about community is like the kids that are being raised
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in that that bubble which is in the south or whatever like it's like people are getting i think
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smarter and more um aware aware and like kinder yeah yes we have to like keep a grip on you know
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just everything being social media based and like everything being instantaneous but i do think
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uh what like the the good parts of that have been that we can talk to each other we can see someone's
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point of view that lives you know thousands of miles away totally there's there's like a gift in that
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there's obviously downsides too but i think that's it's made uh i mean my son's not on any sort of
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platform but like he's he's so kind and empathetic and like that obviously comes from like my my ex and
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myself but in like his community but that gives me hope because it's like totally okay absolutely
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you're a little kid you know you're privileged like yeah like because of me yeah and like uh but
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you are growing up in this this town person yeah and it just he's traveling a lot he tours with me and
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there's just something about that that makes me feel like okay maybe it's gonna be okay let's talk
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about hate you get a lot of hate i have i know you did when you were leading crusades i'm a fan i
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remember yeah um a lot as far as an artist a lot of hate yeah i'm sure because it's like
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the squeaky wheel yeah you know but i think also it it brought a lot of love in too because it's
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just people that had no idea that maybe you would never listen to country music were like
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wait a second i'm not even kidding i do remember when you were getting in public beefs on twitter
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and shit like standing up for people i remember people saying like which i thought was funny and
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which is what made me like you which was they would say i did not know that she was with the
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shits like that i did not know that they were doing it like that over there in country music
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yeah which i think is hilarious i think that's so wonderful thanks you're like opening people's
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perspectives yeah there's a good good few of us doing that in nashville but like yeah it certainly
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it definitely opened up a lot of channels of like crazies and you know the tucker carlson
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thing yeah and like some other bitches i won't name but i yeah i was just like that's interesting
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but also it's just it kind of levels out the playing field and you're like okay i've never
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been called this and now i have and i survived i think i'm gonna be okay i think it's gonna be okay
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yeah well i will let's transition quickly into your new music i would love for you to tell us about
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the new music how it's going yeah and what people can expect and what they can be excited to hear from you
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miss maren morris yes um so i put an ep out like two months ago or so called intermission
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it's just like five songs i'm working on a full album but uh i have this song that i wrote actually
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last year with my friends uh laura belts and jack antonoff and i jack antonoff obviously everyone
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ever heard of him he's a small indie artist yeah yeah hope he makes it big one day he works with a
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couple women you wouldn't know him uh yeah nobody makes it big yeah i'm praying for him me too
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hard times yeah he's hanging on it's so hard being him but yeah he's the best and i i wanted to put
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that out like a long time ago but i was like something about right now just feel it's called
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people still show up and that is that's never been more true than this particular year for me because
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i went through like a lot of shit on the personal end and professionally just a lot of changes and i
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just realized like my world got smaller in terms of like i didn't need as many people in it to feel
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whole yeah like kind of downsized but i was just like wow it's it's all quality people it's all quality
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experiences conversations even if i don't remember all of them like we we showed up for each other they
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showed up for me it's also like for my my fans like coming to shows like it's you know on a year
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i didn't put an album out still coming to shows this summer i was like y'all have been supportive
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as fuck so i was like this song is for you but yeah um and then i'm just finishing this record
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and very exciting yeah what are you looking forward to as far as your career down the line like are there
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any collaborations that you would like love to see or you maybe can tease yeah if you feel so inclined
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it's up to you i mean like obviously i would love to make another record with um my band the high
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women uh which is like me brandy carlisle uh natalie hemby and amanda shires uh if we ever like are in
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the same city again we will make that happen but um i think for me i just want to like be able to tour
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and um you know i've i've kind of changed labels in the last year and it just all feels reset for me
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right now which is that's cool you're resetting the table though exactly i love that though but
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it's cool it's like i nothing scares me anymore yeah i've kind of been through it all yeah and i i
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like this sort of like fresh reset phase of like i'm working with a lot of random people that i love
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and i'm fans of and it just makes me so happy i i wrote a song with moona that came out on my
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here yeah we're a big lesbian filled house so we love moona here moona knows we love them yes um
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always and forever incredible songwriters like obviously and then naomi is just a badass producer
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yeah so um they're so crazy talented it's crazy i know and and also just like hilarious i feel like
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annoying they're too talented knock it off moona talented yeah it's like we we will write the song
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but then it's like almost like the song's not the priority that day it's like just about the hang
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yeah yeah that doesn't surprise me you have to like remind each other like oh shit like we should
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probably write something we just like yammer on right but yeah they're too funny i love that how
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exciting oh my gosh all my fans who are gay which is all of them um they're all gonna freak out when
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they hear that oh my gosh how exciting okay oh well i do want to ask you this like as far as
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when it comes to like melding the worlds of like your personal beliefs and ideologies and your music
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and then having very real fear like if like oh what if this you know alienates an audience what if this
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makes people not like me or not want to buy my stuff or stream my art or whatever uh for people who
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maybe are struggling with that kind of like mentality what would you say is your best piece of advice for
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them especially if they're women and if they identify as anything marginalized they're already kind of
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working against an uphill battle so i think that's another reason why a lot of people are like oh i
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don't want to talk about politics i don't want to talk about like what i believe in because i don't
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want you know sometimes labels or brands or agencies they make you kind of not show certain parts of
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yourself so that you don't alienate anyone or a consumer so what would you say is your best piece of
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advice for those ones i mean if you are anyone but like a white cis straight male like your existence
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is inherently political and politicized so tell them there is no escape from that yeah i think
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you know i'm like a privileged white woman but in the the strictures of country music there are like
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obviously uphill battles being a woman like absolutely still are like yeah any radio play like
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it was it's still extremely slanted like it's not in the favor of us so i just think at your own
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peril or risk like you are gonna go against things that make your skin thicker and you will get an
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armor over time but you don't know until you go and like i think for me i never set out to be like
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this activist artist it was just and i still write songs that are just like relationship songs like
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songs about like a one night stand like whatever but like of course i've i've gone there on songs
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too where it's like i want this to this is meaningful to me and this goes beyond like
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just the surface level worldly relationships like this is something that like i wrote a song years
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ago called better than we found it um after george floyd's murder and it was really just a song i
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wanted to dedicate to my son who was like like eight months old at the time and it was just a really
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important song for me to put out and of course i could have sat on it it could have sat in my inbox
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for years but like it really meant a lot to people and it meant a lot to me and like i ended up getting
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like a grammy nomination and you just don't know until you like go for it and totally but i also i'll
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never like judge people for being afraid because it's fucking scary it is to put yourself out there i agree
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especially if you're like you were saying you were playing in bars for years and like you know
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wanting to be an artist or or just be able to put your art out there a lot of times all my friends
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who are musicians like they never planned on ever like being famous like they just wanted to make art
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and it worked it worked out but then i i feel like too at the same time obviously i'm just a dickhead
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online and my my thing is antagonizing me i go in a nice swing on people who are not looking at me all
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the time um but i always feel like if this is like like everything you work towards like you work so
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hard to build your career and something like putting out a song like that could very well unravel all of
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it but i always think like what is even the point of having it if i'm not going to use it to do
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something like to do something good like to put something in the world or leave something behind
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that is good inherently or is meant for good intention people so it's like i don't if that's what it
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costs like if it costs me sacrificing pieces of myself that i believe in or i feel very strongly
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about i don't want it like i don't want the fame i don't want the money i don't want any of it
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if it means i have to like hide certain pieces so i that's why i said i really admire you for doing that
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like and you being a white woman is it's it's very important that women who look like you do the same
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thing it's like it's just like when i stand up or you stand up for trans women it's important that cis
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women are fighting alongside them it's important that we check each other it's important that we
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clock each other and we tell each other like it's important that we believe in these things and we
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talk about them openly too because it matters yeah because no one's free until we're all free
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i know what i mean so i i admire you for that i think it's i think it's fantastic and the fact
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that you continue to do it i truly believe just like just like megan trainer i truly believe good
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people are rare and that's why you've lasted this long like that's what you're doing so well
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thank you i'll give you more flowers i'll give them all to you maryn no that means so much i mean
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like you've just found like a really brilliant way of well obviously speaking to your audience but
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also growing an audience because of your honesty but also the way that you articulate even if it's
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like you're eviscerating someone you're doing it from a place of like the building blocks of
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the the educational purpose of it thank you so that's really fucking hard to do and i speak as
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someone that doesn't do it well like i am extremely emotional and like i should have taken like
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debate team in high school or something so i could properly form a sentence in person with people
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like just if i'm angry i feel you i just cry yeah i feel you so twitter that's why twitter was always
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like it's good for the way i know it's like i can do this and like think about what my words are but
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like no it's like a really uh once in a generational type of thing that you've created and it's like as
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someone that's like always consumed media like i i like grew up on britney and christina and like
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i i was like this kind of pop cultural thing of creators like you there's a lot of people making
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incredible content but also like figuring out how to like do it in a really succinct impactful way
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that's not distracted it's like extremely laser focused it's just very inspiring that's very
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sweet thank you so much yeah i sometimes i describe it as like like when you have to give your dog pills
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put it in cheese and give it to them oh my god see like you just to my audience i'm like come here i'm
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gonna give you this pill but don't worry it's gonna taste good and then you'll be healthy and everyone
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will it'll it'll be fine but i always tell people too i'm like i know if i'm your introduction to
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intersectional feminism i think that's fantastic i think it's wonderful and i always say please don't
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stop with me yeah there are far more people that are far more educated than i and far more like
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equipped to explain things to you in a much more historical and factual way my way is telling people
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to suck my wiener sure that works for you period works for me too you're the gateway drug there you
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go that's why i said you just start with don't stop with me you can start with me just don't stop
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with me but i i really do appreciate that and i appreciate um your fucking artistry i think you're
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just i think you're so fantastic and i think honestly a lot of times women who write like
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write music for a long time period you guys are some of the most genius women alive first of all
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that's always like the way your brain works i envy that i have no musical capabilities whatsoever i got
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nothing i got nothing god said give that bitch funny and that's it yeah so that's what he gave me
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and i'm like well yeah i can make you laugh that's for sure i can't i can't i can't romance you with
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a song but yeah but it's still like a creative thing too because it's like some days i've got
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nothing like some days i my brain deletes and like i forget how to write a song like i i just it's
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everything is overthought and awful and like you just have to accept that those are the days where
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you're like oh this was just like a chicken shit day just sucks i suck especially when you're
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writing with moona they're too distracting yeah talented well i like thank god katie's here to write
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some words because my brain's mush i'm just gonna be the singer today yeah for real okay so
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to wrap us i will say just for a close some closing thoughts for anyone who's listening
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any sort of aspiring just i would say just musician in general not having to do with beliefs or
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ideology or anything like that do you have any i know being an artist i feel like especially like
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you said with tiktok a lot of people are kind of taking rainbow road a little bit cutting out the
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the part where they get to kind of cut their teeth like you were saying earlier so for any up-and-coming
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artists or musicians or writers or anything like that do you have any advice for them and
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entering this new kind of world of music it's kind of shifted like you said yeah drastically in the
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last 10 years so and i have like so much you know sympathy for that too because i'm lucky i got in
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before all of that i know was the only platform but i would just say like i know this is extremely
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you know banal advice at this point but you just have got to be patient because if you believe in
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your thing and almost you have to be delusional like you have to i tell people that all the time
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i say that too i mean that's the word for it but like you can say like ambitious or whatever but
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you're delusional yeah you have to have like a sparkle of that like you always know when someone
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has too much and you're like okay my god you want this too bad people can smell it yeah um for real
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no just be patient because like you know if you're making music in your bedroom in like the
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midwest or if you're moving to la or nashville or wherever you just have to like swallow that pride
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of like there are a lot of fucking talented people yeah in front of you in the line yeah and like if
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you are good and you keep practicing and showing up and not being fucking late not flaking like whether
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you write alone or with other people or whatever you want to do i'm just really kind of talking about
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songwriters but our artists it's like you've got to grow your thing and find ways of course creatively
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to to set it apart but like just it's okay if it doesn't happen this year like overnight yeah because
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like for me i've gone through ebbs and flows in my career like it's been 10 years more so if you count
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like my teenage years of touring but like i've had moments where i've had like massive hits that year
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and then i've had like years where there hasn't been one yeah and but i can tour and like i can
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build a fan base over time and like have something identity wise to say and like a connection with them
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that goes beyond a big fucking song on tiktok or the chart like you have to build over time and that is
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when you start to see artists have like decades long careers no for real and honestly when chapel was on
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she's like some people i hate the industry plant shit and she's like because i've been doing this
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for 10 years i got signed when i was like 14 yeah and i was like i know i know that about you but
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she's but because people see her on tiktok they're like oh my god just like overnight everyone's talking
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about her well everyone's overnight until like if you haven't heard of them so it's like there's always
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a backstory i said that about my book when men were discrediting me getting a bestseller they were
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saying like oh everyone's a bestseller i go you know why you think that because you don't fucking read
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yeah the only books you hear about are bestsellers aren't they yeah you're hearing about my book
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play responsibly read bitch so like you're like don't worry there's an audio book for you yeah
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clearly can't read it for real you fucking illiterate bitch on top of that though i'm like on top of that
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the fucking book thing i'm like okay well if it's so easy you go do it yeah let me know how it works
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out yeah if it's so easy apparently it's so easy according to men who uh never read can barely read
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um and got scared to get called out in class to read apparently it's super easy so all and i went on
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a book tour that whole summer and every time i talked about it my sister was like which is super
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easy so no one should clap it's like super fucking easy don't worry about it it's not impressive so true
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really easy you just go out there and do it that's why everyone does it that's why they're like
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oh it's so easy what she does yeah and you're like okay yeah then you go do it i know i also get
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what you mean too about like there's a lot of talented people in the world i think that all the
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time too that's why i think people like you have such long careers and like establish such like
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strong roots because you're a good person and you're really fucking good at what you do like
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it's just it's impossible to not see you that's what i always think like that's operating from i think
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a scarcity mindset when people are like oh like what about this what about that uh i always think
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i'm gonna shine regardless so all the talented people let's all go together yeah like let's let's
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link arms and listen i go through that too everyone does it's human like the scarcity thing or just like
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feeling an envy like because it's happening for your friend and not you like that's normal and that's
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you just have to like hunker down again for like the ebb and the flow like if you are constantly
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like anvil on the gas pedal you're gonna burn out really quick yeah you're not gonna keep people
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around you're gonna like probably crumble yourself like you know mentally yeah and there's just no
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longevity in the short game so for me this is why i've said like i'm glad american idol and the voice
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and like all these competitions like rejected me like when i auditioned in my teen years you listing
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all of them there's like 10 there's probably more i haven't mentioned but i was like thank god
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yeah there's quite a few i think like you i would have burned through it like i would have gotten so
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over it and then like i wouldn't i wouldn't have been ready talent wise or mentally yeah so it's kind
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of like if you have this massive fucking tiktok moment yeah it's like amazing and people are like
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they've got eyes on you then it's like what's next yeah dance like yeah you have to you have to dance
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yeah wearing matching outfits and now you have to create a dance yeah literally my one of my first
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when i first blew up a brand reached out to me i don't even remember what it was and they were like
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oh if you want to work with drew and we're like okay cool like my agent's kind of talking to them
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and they were like yeah um we're doing this tiktok dance and like this is what it is and they sent it
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to me and my agent didn't really know me that well at the time because we'd only been working together
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for a couple months and she was like how do you feel about this i was like oh no yeah i don't do that
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so yeah oh no no no no no tell them thank you peace and blessings on your household no thank
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you yeah if i'm doing it and no shade but if i'm doing it it's as a joke that's what i mean yeah
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that's what i'm saying for money i'm drunk no and i'm with my friends yeah it's for funsies yeah
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funsies that's different that being said um for the right amount of money would i do it
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i don't know it's not off the table let me know for enough zero let us know yeah let us know let me and
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no okay so we'll wrap really quickly but i want to thank you very much for coming on the show i
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think you're just fucking fantastic oh my god same i'm obsessed with you and i'm so excited well
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everything you're doing the bestseller thing was like such a massive win for you but also like for
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all of us that are fans it's like we get to celebrate it with you and then also congrats on
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your engagement oh my gosh you guys are thank you oh my god thank you thank you oh my god that's so
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crazy how did you know i'm waiting for my invitation in the mail maryn morris if you
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want to come to my wedding i am gonna invite you and you cannot rescind it because it's on camera
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so i'll i'll sing the middle at the reception what do you want the way i got chills on my spine
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maryn okay all right booked i'm assuming for free verbal contract binding your team is here thank you
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very much i appreciate y'all but thank you for coming on the show i think you're fucking awesome
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and i can't wait to see what you do i'm so excited for your new music thank you and she sent me a sneak
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peek of it suckers yeah i listened to it not you sucker so you need to get into it but for those that
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are born yesterday and haven't met you or heard of you well obviously none of you have met her i've
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met her again sucker uh where can everybody find you um all the normal shit maryn morris on literally
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everything and then any music or anything you want to plug uh my song people still show ups out um
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yeah go go listen to it there's probably not going to be a dance for me on it but someone make one
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yeah go for it i will promote it but i i'm not the girl not the girl to ask for that but you can
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listen to it on spotify our favorite platform you can listen to this episode with maryn and then you
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can go listen to all of her discography it's extensive and fantastic and wonderful but thank
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you so much for coming on the show thank you all for tuning in to this week's episode of the comment
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all right thank you so much for coming thank you all for watching and i'll see you next week bye