＂Why Can't Alberta Have Nice Things？＂ Martyupnorth on the Pipeline MOU ＂Nothingburger＂
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Summary
In this episode, we talk about the recent deal struck between the opposition parties in the Alberta government and the opposition party in the House of Commons. We discuss the deal, the deal itself, and the fallout from the deal.
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the memorandum to me is an absolute nothing burger absolute nothing burger they both lost
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carney lost bigger than smith right so carney you know immediately in the aftermath of that
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carney lost stephen gilbo and i think carney will lose a few more mps between now and christmas
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and when parliament resumes in the new year he'll have he'll have lost three or four mps he's going
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to lose he's lost gilbo he's going to lose um bill blair who's going to go become the high
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commissioner to england melanie jolie is going to become the ambassador to france i think there's a
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few ambassadorships that have to be filled and then the liberals in ontario are having their own
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leadership race so people like karina gould and nathan eskier and some of the other ones have
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already said that they intend on running in the leadership race of the liberals so i think carney
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lost big with his mou um uh yves blanchette has been absolutely slamming this um eb is no fan of the of
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the of the mou like nobody's in favor of it and and i go on french twitter and the quebecers are
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absolutely angry about this they feel betrayed maybe that's even uh that paints the case for like
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why alberta negotiating with ottawa is gonna ultimately fail if every little win or a common
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ground if it feels like a loss to anybody in the east then what are we doing trying to make all these
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little wins if excellent if it's not even politically excellent like it's not politically
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viable yeah nobody cheers any wins for alberta ever like exactly i mean if alberta wants a separate
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pension plan that's bad quebec wants a separate pension plan good for you alberta wants to separate
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you guys are evil quebec wants to separate you're absolutely right like we we cannot have any nice
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things in alberta which is why at one point i wondered if danielle wasn't playing carney right
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because he looks so bad but then i had to look at her and go no you you she took it on the chin too
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right we'll we'll get into details that it it came out at the agm i mean she she was basically booed for
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the mou she i i don't know if she's convinced that it's good the way she spoke about it she seemed to be
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in favor of it she gave up something i mean she gave up on um well she didn't give up on the carbon tax
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right she's gonna she's arguing that the carbon tax was the industrial carbon tax was set to climb
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and she sort of got a slightly better deal on the carbon tax so she's gonna say i didn't really lose
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um she won by by getting no emission caps but she still has uh a few other things so if she if if you
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look at what she gave up and the potential return okay it's a pretty good deal and uh and and i would
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have made that same deal perhaps if i was her uh looking at for me i would have made the same deal for
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different reasons i would have looked at carney like i'll make any deal with you because you're
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gonna it's gonna you're gonna lose and it's gonna make you bad look bad and you won't be here in
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three years so i would have made those deals i also would have made those deals because i believe
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that practicality is gonna always win out on on on um ideology so um in practicality for us in our
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case is the fact that the world wants our oil and and no matter what our oil will get to market
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because there's a because people want it so do you feel that both smith and carney both sort of feel
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like they're like getting one over on each other or do you think that this is it runs a level deeper
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than that like do you do you think that smith thinks that she's getting a big win and carney also feels
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like he's getting a big win uh well let me put it this way who do you think actually negotiated at the
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table in the days before the agm was it carney and smith or was it somebody on carney's team and
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somebody on smith's team right it was two people yeah it would be a representative from each side
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which is why the deal is so bad and then they quickly come back and carney goes yeah i'll sign
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it and smith goes yeah i'll sign it so nobody nobody i don't but it but if it was them negotiating i
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don't think it uh i don't think either of them would feel like they really got a one up on the other
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right i mean carney carney is basically she she got a one up on she she didn't sacrifice anything
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of her own core values i'd say other than maybe stepping back from the ultimatum ultimatums are
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always dangerous right i mean she she got something she could save face she went as far as saying that
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she got seven out of nine items on her ultimatum i i call you know that's a stretch i mean maybe three
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or four out of the nine i because uh bill c69 didn't change the tiger the tanker band didn't
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change um you know there's some very specific ones that that they promised to change but um so she
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she didn't sacrifice too much he really went back on his values i mean suddenly he's pro oil he's pro uh
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he's thinking of reversing some policies he's uh he went back enough that that gilbo quit and i don't
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think that was just um showmanship by gilbo i i think gilbo is honestly pissed off he's like
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you know no more electric vehicles no more but but the reality again is that gilbo's idea gilbo's
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things that they impose they're ideological right like there'll be no electric vehicles by 2035 man
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that's not grounded in any kind of science so and and to me i think carney's reversing himself on
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those temporarily because let's be truthful right carney wrote a whole book on this you're you're not
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going to change your stripes overnight he does believe that that climate change is an existential
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threat and that free markets are out of control and need to be reined in he kind of showed it right
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like we'll choose the projects we'll choose who does it you have to buy canadian steel canadian lumber
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labor you know things like that and i think carney is reversing himself temporarily because he's
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looking around him and he's like eh trump will be gone in three years maybe i'll still be around
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you know he he's he's selling out but only temporarily