The Culture War - Tim Pool


NFL Is DOUBLING DOWN on Woke Messaging ft. James Klüg


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James Klug joins Jemele to discuss why the NFL is still doubling down on the woke agenda in 2025, and why it s still a thing. Plus, why is the NFL still stinking up racism in the end zone?

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00:00:15.580 What are we doing here?
00:00:16.560 What are they still doing?
00:00:17.860 I mean, maybe at this point they're just looking for any little bit of attention,
00:00:20.900 trying to make headlines.
00:00:21.840 Like, oh my, maybe the goal is trying to get the headline,
00:00:25.120 oh, they're still doing this kind of thing.
00:00:27.120 You know what I mean?
00:00:27.740 Like, maybe that's the goal.
00:00:29.000 For a lot of these organizations, you know,
00:00:32.140 they are run by professional business people,
00:00:34.080 and they're looking to be in the headlines.
00:00:36.400 So maybe this is just one last hurrah trying to get into those headlines,
00:00:39.820 at least for the next four years.
00:00:41.520 You know what I mean?
00:00:42.480 Tate Brown here holding it down for Tim Pool.
00:00:45.200 We got an interview coming up here with James Klug,
00:00:48.360 bringing him on to discuss all things NFL
00:00:50.460 and figure out why are they still doubling down on the woke agenda in 2025.
00:00:55.900 I shouldn't even have to say woke agenda anymore.
00:00:57.960 Why is it still a thing?
00:00:59.460 Well, we'll get to the bottom of it.
00:01:01.040 This is from ABC News.
00:01:02.140 NFL teams will, again, stencil messages in the end zone.
00:01:05.080 The NFL is considering his on-field social.
00:01:07.260 So, you know, you love it. 0.98
00:01:08.820 We all love this, the woke crap going on in the paint here. 0.96
00:01:12.860 So 32 teams, you get to choose from one of these four options. 0.99
00:01:16.460 End racism.
00:01:17.600 Stop hate.
00:01:18.720 Choose love.
00:01:19.360 Or inspire change.
00:01:20.900 And it takes all of us.
00:01:22.360 We'll be stenciled in the opposite end zone for all games.
00:01:24.800 So, what are we doing?
00:01:28.100 I mean, is the NFL really, they're doubling down on this?
00:01:31.420 I mean, it just feels so juvenile and weird that we still have to do this.
00:01:35.060 Trump won this loss of the ballot box.
00:01:37.320 Yeah, I wanted your thoughts on the NFL situation.
00:01:40.080 Yeah, they're letting you choose from four great options to put in the end zone and racism
00:01:45.380 being one of them.
00:01:46.940 You know, there's a lot of racists out there that are watching the NFL and they see the
00:01:50.940 paint on the end zone and they think, wow, I could be so much better.
00:01:54.320 I, you know, I shouldn't, I shouldn't continue down this path.
00:01:57.640 So, let's see.
00:01:59.340 Here we go.
00:01:59.720 We got full screen.
00:02:00.300 That looks good.
00:02:01.000 I'm going to reframe this one second.
00:02:03.060 So, anyway, so I was curious, yeah, what your thoughts are.
00:02:05.140 So, what are the options?
00:02:06.380 What are the, I'm playing a little bit of catch up here, but what are the options right
00:02:10.220 now?
00:02:10.500 Because end racism, I mean, that's going to be disappointing a lot of fans, you know, that's
00:02:13.980 really going against kind of what they're looking for.
00:02:16.620 You know, there's a lot of people on the other side of that issue, right?
00:02:19.100 So, in this kind of national debate that we're having, what are the other options?
00:02:23.320 Do we know?
00:02:24.600 Yeah, it was end racism, stop hate, choose love, or inspire change.
00:02:30.660 So, you have four great options there.
00:02:33.400 What is this?
00:02:34.380 Man, inspire change.
00:02:35.440 I mean, I don't know.
00:02:36.260 Maybe the fourth one.
00:02:37.260 I'm not really sure.
00:02:38.640 Are people allowed to vote on this stuff?
00:02:41.080 The craziest thing, like, why are we still doing this, you know?
00:02:43.840 I thought Project 2025 was supposed to eliminate all this, like, nonsense that we're dealing
00:02:47.860 with.
00:02:48.480 Yeah.
00:02:49.100 You know what I mean?
00:02:49.840 Like, we voted for that.
00:02:50.900 We voted for that change.
00:02:52.340 But, yeah, dude, the fact that this is still going on kind of blows my mind.
00:02:57.360 I think that they're just looking for, like, national attention at this point because everything
00:03:01.680 has become so much more conservative.
00:03:03.800 The pendulum has swung so much that I think they're just looking for, like, Donald Trump's
00:03:08.440 attention, attention from the administration, you know what I mean?
00:03:12.200 But, yeah, I don't know.
00:03:14.940 I mean, I know that when I was going to Philadelphia Eagles game, shout out to the Eagles, I saw
00:03:20.440 that they had, like, end racism on, you know, kind of whatever.
00:03:24.440 I'm not the biggest sports expert here.
00:03:25.880 But in the touchdown area, basically.
00:03:29.680 And, dude, at this point, like, everyone just ignores this stuff.
00:03:33.220 Right.
00:03:33.340 Like, I don't even know who are they doing this for, right?
00:03:35.940 Like, who's actually concerned about this stuff?
00:03:38.200 Who actually is interested in seeing that on the field?
00:03:42.560 Nobody cares about this stuff.
00:03:43.980 I don't know what we're still doing.
00:03:45.580 Like, I thought we were done with this.
00:03:47.060 Apparently, we're not.
00:03:48.120 Yeah.
00:03:48.880 Well, yeah, there's something to specifically targeting the NFL because, I mean, you know,
00:03:53.080 love it or hate it, obviously, there's a lot of people very critical of Americans'
00:03:57.760 fascination with professional sports, and a lot of those concerns are justified.
00:04:01.820 But, again, like I said, for better or for worse, the NFL is an institution.
00:04:05.080 It is distinctly American, and it is something that is really important to, like, a large number
00:04:11.240 of men across this country.
00:04:13.060 It's something they look forward to on Sundays and Monday nights.
00:04:16.060 Right.
00:04:16.700 There kind of seems to be kind of more of a demoralization tactic, and that used to work.
00:04:22.820 Like, I remember, like, when the NFL first started doing this stuff, and they had, like,
00:04:26.200 the Black National Anthem and stuff like that, you did feel a bit, like, helpless to some
00:04:30.360 degree because you're like, oh, they're really doing this, and there's, like, they're going
00:04:33.720 to shove this down my throat now.
00:04:35.240 But now it's almost, like, kind of embarrassing.
00:04:36.940 You're just like, dude, why?
00:04:38.080 No one else is still doing this.
00:04:39.600 I mean, like, we saw Pride Month, where none of these, you know, companies changed their
00:04:43.000 logos, or very few of them changed their logos.
00:04:44.660 So now I don't feel helpless.
00:04:46.600 I'm just kind of confused.
00:04:47.580 I'm like, at this point, they're just looking for any little bit of attention, trying to
00:04:50.920 make headlines.
00:04:51.620 Like, oh, my, maybe the goal is trying to get the headline.
00:04:54.880 Oh, they're still doing this kind of thing.
00:04:56.860 You know what I mean?
00:04:57.480 Like, maybe that's the goal.
00:04:59.200 For a lot of these organizations, you know, they are run by professional business people,
00:05:03.800 and they're looking to be in the headlines.
00:05:05.900 So maybe this is just one last hurrah trying to get into those headlines, at least for the
00:05:10.040 next four years.
00:05:11.240 You know what I mean?
00:05:12.480 Like, that's their big focus.
00:05:14.040 That's their big goal.
00:05:15.580 I know that there's, like, a male cheerleader and whatnot.
00:05:18.140 Everyone's thinking, hey, we're done with that.
00:05:19.600 Well, people are also talking about it, right?
00:05:22.260 Sure.
00:05:22.460 So maybe that's just kind of this last woke hurrah BS trying to be like, hey, we're not
00:05:27.160 done with it just yet, you know, as they're, like, fizzling out.
00:05:30.720 But, yeah, I don't know.
00:05:33.320 I mean, certainly, like, Gen Z's not putting up with it. 1.00
00:05:35.660 They don't tolerate that nonsense in sports.
00:05:38.100 And I think a lot of it's just being ignored.
00:05:39.960 But the U.S., one thing I will say, we are a lot further ahead than a lot of other places.
00:05:45.960 Like, dude, in Canada, they're still doing, like, land recognition, right?
00:05:48.940 They might be doing it in the U.K. as well.
00:05:50.580 I mean, that stuff is so over the top and so absurd.
00:05:53.540 Like, occupied Roman land. 0.94
00:05:55.380 Oh, it's just so gross, dude.
00:05:56.740 It's like, what are you guys doing? 0.99
00:05:57.700 Like, this is ridiculous. 0.99
00:05:58.960 Yeah. 0.89
00:05:59.300 But, so at least we're further ahead on that stuff.
00:06:02.520 But, yeah, I don't know.
00:06:04.600 It's a mixture of me wanting to say everyone's ignoring it.
00:06:07.540 Like, the people at home that go to the games are ignoring it.
00:06:11.180 But it's still, right now, making headlines just because everything's swinging so much more
00:06:15.940 to the right.
00:06:16.500 You know what I mean?
00:06:17.240 Yeah.
00:06:17.440 Yeah.
00:06:17.500 Yeah, I mean, that's, I think that's a big aspect of what's going on is the NFL is so
00:06:22.520 big.
00:06:23.720 And it takes a lot for the average NFL fan to be dissuaded to not tune in to watch.
00:06:29.380 And the NFL knows that.
00:06:30.880 And so I think that's why they feel like they can push the envelope a little more, like you
00:06:34.080 said, to grab headlines.
00:06:35.400 Because they know that that audience isn't going anywhere because they can, I mean, the 0.87
00:06:38.640 amount of crap they put their audience through during COVID and they didn't shake them.
00:06:42.280 Dude, it's one of those things, like, there are certain companies with certain audiences 0.98
00:06:49.560 that you can put pressure on and you can actually cancel, right?
00:06:52.880 We saw that with Bud Light.
00:06:54.280 Like, who was their clientele, right?
00:06:55.500 It was college students. 0.93
00:06:56.360 They didn't want to do this whole trans, woke, gross stuff. 1.00
00:06:59.020 That was a successful boycott because they were out of their realm, right? 0.65
00:07:03.400 Their audience said, absolutely not.
00:07:05.100 Well, NFL is super mixed and people are so dedicated to it.
00:07:08.420 Like, I have a ton of friends, dude, um, what's the Sunday red zone, right?
00:07:12.620 Yeah.
00:07:12.900 Uh, red zone is like a religious experience to them, right? 0.90
00:07:16.620 And I know that sounds kind of pathetic, but like, you know, they, they're obsessed with 0.94
00:07:20.800 it. 0.98
00:07:20.940 They love it.
00:07:21.500 They absolutely, it's every single Sunday.
00:07:22.920 They look forward to it.
00:07:23.700 Right.
00:07:24.420 And so kind of going on what you were saying, NFL is basically at a point where they could 0.98
00:07:29.900 just smack somebody across the face over and over again, call them fat, call them ugly. 0.68
00:07:34.560 And they're still going to be like, well, I'm still going to watch the games, dude. 0.99
00:07:36.800 I don't even care.
00:07:37.260 People do not care at this point.
00:07:38.740 They will literally tolerate anything.
00:07:40.340 NFL knows that, but within reason, right?
00:07:44.040 Like maybe they have one last hurrah of a lot of woke nonsense over the next three years
00:07:49.700 or so.
00:07:50.820 If I were to guess, I think it's going to be calming down because people really just don't
00:07:54.500 care about it.
00:07:55.380 Yeah.
00:07:55.820 I mean, that really is the thing is the national environment has changed so much, but yeah,
00:08:00.120 like I remember during code, I mean, we had the Kaepernick thing and NFL fans didn't
00:08:04.220 really know how to react.
00:08:05.280 So they were just like, oh, he's not a good quarterback.
00:08:07.620 Like that was their problem with them.
00:08:10.520 And then you had like NASCAR.
00:08:13.180 Like I remember NASCAR was getting crazy during like COVID where they had like the guy, you
00:08:18.500 know, LARPing.
00:08:19.100 Like it was like the fifties.
00:08:20.300 Like there was a noose in his garage or whatever.
00:08:21.980 And like, that was like a whole thing.
00:08:25.180 And it was the garage pull down.
00:08:26.640 Dude, they were looking for it anywhere.
00:08:28.440 They were looking for it anywhere.
00:08:29.680 So we've definitely gone away from that.
00:08:31.760 Right.
00:08:32.080 We've definitely gone away from that.
00:08:33.200 We're like, didn't Kaepernick just have his, uh, his new docuseries for everyone that
00:08:37.580 doesn't know his story, which is like three people, maybe tops.
00:08:41.220 Uh, they had that canceled, you know, it's just like, nobody cares, bro.
00:08:46.080 Yeah.
00:08:46.400 You know?
00:08:47.260 Yeah.
00:08:47.620 Yeah.
00:08:48.020 The national, I mean, another indication you can tell the national environment has changed
00:08:50.900 because college football is getting so popular.
00:08:52.940 And it's like, to a degree, I think a lot of football fans have, I mean, I don't know what
00:08:57.600 the TV numbers look like, but a lot of, at least anecdotally, a lot of guys, I know younger
00:09:01.620 guys prefer college football to the NFL because college football seems to celebrate, um, a lot
00:09:08.140 of aspects of American culture that make us great that the NFL has abandoned.
00:09:11.420 I mean, for one, it's just like vitality and youthfulness and, and just like love for
00:09:16.940 the game.
00:09:17.420 Cause like the NFL, it just, there's just kind of a degree of coldness cause there's so much
00:09:21.000 money involved and everything.
00:09:22.080 I know college football is getting pretty bad at the NIL stuff, but, um, college football,
00:09:26.580 it still feels like to a degree, the players actually care about the program that they're
00:09:30.180 playing for.
00:09:30.720 It means a little bit more.
00:09:32.200 Um, so I think that's a really interesting, there's this like hardcore, uh, meritocratic
00:09:37.260 aspect of it as well, where it's like, who's going to get into the NFL, you know what I
00:09:41.540 mean?
00:09:41.680 Like there's that energy as well.
00:09:43.620 There's you representing your tribe, your school, your college.
00:09:46.880 That's a really big deal too.
00:09:48.080 I know there's similarities there with NFL and whatnot, but yeah, I think to a certain degree,
00:09:52.060 when it comes to, or probably an extreme degree when it comes to college football as well.
00:09:56.020 I mean, dude, it's, it's do or die for a lot of these kids.
00:09:58.860 Like they've worked their entire lives.
00:10:00.320 They're going for the NFL and that's all that matters.
00:10:02.320 You know, all that other nonsense doesn't fricking matter that they're not safe.
00:10:06.260 You know, they're not safe in their job or anything.
00:10:09.700 It's, it's, Hey, you get injured, you lose that possibility of getting in the NFL.
00:10:14.500 There's none of that, you know, nonsense.
00:10:16.300 There's no room for nonsense when it comes to that, you know?
00:10:19.300 Yeah.
00:10:20.060 Yeah, exactly.
00:10:21.380 Um, so I, I think overall, like, and we're seeing with the cheerleader, obviously people
00:10:25.180 are really angry.
00:10:25.980 Um, but there's this general sense of the culture and America moving to the right, because you
00:10:29.820 are seeing some, there are still some holdovers.
00:10:32.640 People, especially around the immigration thing, get spooked pretty easily.
00:10:35.940 Um, you're seeing a lot of podcasters come out and like, uh, basically counter signal
00:10:40.660 the Trump administration's immigration policy.
00:10:43.820 So it's like, okay, yes.
00:10:45.720 I mean, we should be happy that the Overton window has moved to the right.
00:10:49.240 Like Sidney Sweeney is literally going on TV and it's like, I have blonde hair and blue
00:10:52.220 eyes.
00:10:52.520 It's the best.
00:10:53.060 And that's like normal now.
00:10:54.500 And it's like, okay, wow, this really is, this really is Trump's America.
00:10:57.220 It's getting wacky and wild out here.
00:10:59.360 Um, you know, no more language.
00:11:00.360 We knew we were back when white people started showing up back in, in ads. 0.85
00:11:03.720 We knew there was a change going on, you know, like actually attracted people as well.
00:11:08.340 Just in general, our back in ads, we knew we were back as for the, as for the, uh, male
00:11:12.900 cheerleader thing.
00:11:13.740 I mean, like, haven't there always been, there's always been male cheer cheerleaders, but they're
00:11:18.480 there for like a supportive kind of, uh, position in cheerleading, right?
00:11:22.560 They do the lifting, they do all that stuff.
00:11:24.080 They're pretty big guys.
00:11:25.360 Usually I'm pretty sure they're straight dudes too.
00:11:27.820 Like they're just big, strong guys that, that, uh, that throw up the flyers.
00:11:31.620 And, uh, in this case, we have a guy like dancing, like a girl again, project 2025, we
00:11:37.260 voted against this stuff, go hit the oil rigs, get out of here, you know?
00:11:40.780 So we're not tolerating that.
00:11:42.500 Um, but I think that is another thing where it's like, you know, people are doing these
00:11:46.080 little things here and there for, okay, well, this is the dominant kind of culture right
00:11:50.580 now.
00:11:50.920 Not saying that, you know, the woke people are saying, Oh, woke is dead.
00:11:54.600 Oh, it's totally gone.
00:11:55.460 Um, no, like, you know, these psychopaths still control every single major institution
00:11:59.640 in the United States, but culturally there has been a pretty significant shift, especially
00:12:04.000 with, you know, Gen Z, Gen Alpha, like they don't really put up with this stuff.
00:12:07.920 So I still think, like I said, they're doing a lot of that stuff for, to grasp onto those
00:12:12.420 headlines.
00:12:12.820 But, um, yeah, what were you saying about the immigration aspect, uh, podcasters going
00:12:17.580 back on, Oh my gosh, mass deportations are actually happening.
00:12:21.040 This is spooky.
00:12:21.920 Let's give the left everything they want. 0.99
00:12:23.240 Is that what you're talking about?
00:12:24.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:12:24.860 I mean, I don't want to name names per se, but yeah, you're seeing people, uh, yeah.
00:12:28.660 They're like, wait, wait, what about my gardener?
00:12:30.020 No, no, I needed him.
00:12:31.200 My God.
00:12:31.880 Yeah.
00:12:32.320 Yeah.
00:12:34.580 Yeah.
00:12:35.040 What are we going to do without exploiting the cheap illegal labor? 0.96
00:12:38.020 Uh, I, I have these conversations on the street all the time with people because like,
00:12:41.660 that's obviously the biggest thing that stands out for the Trump administration.
00:12:44.980 And when people are like criticizing it, that's the thing that they bring up, right?
00:12:47.920 Oh my God.
00:12:49.000 Mass dangerous guys, kidnapping people.
00:12:51.400 But we kind of figured this would be the case, uh, going into the election. 0.96
00:12:54.720 Like, you know, everyone knew that, holy crap, we, we just opened the floodgates. 0.99
00:13:00.020 We allow millions of people in, uh, Americans get killed. 0.99
00:13:03.400 You have a record breaking human trafficking crisis, sex trafficking crisis, child trafficking
00:13:07.760 crisis.
00:13:08.220 I mean, the list goes on and on.
00:13:09.840 There's no positives to this.
00:13:11.560 We knew though, once the mass deportations would start, the only goal for the media right
00:13:15.900 now, basically is, Hey, capture everything bad that is happening with ice.
00:13:20.880 And we need to make it every single little instance, a headline.
00:13:23.660 So if somebody is resisting arrest that goes CNN mainstream news, Oh my God, look, they're
00:13:28.760 being aggressive with this illegal immigrant, you know? 1.00
00:13:30.940 And so that constant footage is getting a lot of people to kind of buckle similar to the
00:13:35.660 pressure that people were facing maybe in like 2020 with posting a black square. 0.98
00:13:39.760 It's kind of that similar vibe where it's like, Oh, we need to keep bombarding you with
00:13:43.800 look at this poor little, you know, Jose, he's being apprehended.
00:13:47.680 Turns out he like, you know, played around with children and none of us knew that.
00:13:51.280 But you figure that out three days later, nobody follows up and understands it. 0.97
00:13:54.780 So you end up with a bunch of ignorant people that are just super upset. 0.95
00:13:58.220 And that includes podcasters, you know, like I'm not intelligent just because you put a 0.99
00:14:02.180 mic up to my mouth.
00:14:03.660 Well, I mean, I agree with the sentiment.
00:14:06.360 We do need to start putting tariffs on podcasting equipment.
00:14:09.260 This is getting a little out of control.
00:14:10.800 Exhibit A right here at me.
00:14:12.440 I mean, what, like, you know, but, uh, well, dude, thanks for jumping in.
00:14:15.280 It was a last second hot swap, but I really appreciate it.
00:14:17.740 Where can people find you at?
00:14:18.800 Uh, yeah, you guys can find me at youtube.com slash James Klug or James Klug on Instagram,
00:14:23.880 real James Klug on everything else.
00:14:26.080 Awesome, dude.
00:14:26.580 Well, I appreciate it.
00:14:27.260 Well, uh, hopefully we can get an extended chat.
00:14:29.000 Sometimes we'll get a full, full interview in.
00:14:30.640 So appreciate it, man.
00:14:31.600 Have a good rest of your day.
00:14:33.200 Let's do it.
00:14:33.920 Thanks.
00:14:34.360 Yep.
00:14:35.560 All righty guys.
00:14:36.600 Well, uh, that was James Klug.
00:14:38.780 He, uh, came in, saved the day, held it down, gave us some really good, correct takes
00:14:43.320 on the NFL.
00:14:43.940 Uh, just want to thank you guys for, uh, joining me for this hour of the Rumble live
00:14:49.000 show.
00:14:49.980 Um, I don't know, do it, it's been a little up in the air recently with the, uh, Rumble,
00:14:54.020 um, lineup, whoever comes after us.
00:14:56.480 I'm not entirely sure.
00:14:57.880 Um, maybe Serge.
00:14:58.860 I'm not sure now.
00:14:59.500 No.
00:14:59.900 Yeah.
00:15:00.100 We don't know.
00:15:00.700 So we would love to raid, but we don't know.
00:15:02.900 We don't know who we don't know what to do.
00:15:04.380 So, uh, anyway, yeah.
00:15:05.720 Thank you for, uh, hanging out.
00:15:08.020 Hopefully we can get Tim back soon.
00:15:09.520 Really hope so.
00:15:10.440 Um, yeah, we need Tim. 0.81
00:15:11.940 No, he's the goat.
00:15:13.020 I mean, his name's in the channel name.
00:15:14.400 I mean, what are we, it's not Tate Cass, it's Tim Cass.
00:15:16.220 So, uh, yeah, we need Tim back.
00:15:17.800 Uh, just, yeah, pray for him.
00:15:18.800 You know, he's, he's worked a lot.
00:15:20.100 He was, you know, grinding.
00:15:20.960 So we'll, we'll get him back here soon.
00:15:22.140 I'm optimistic.
00:15:23.160 Thanks to producer Serge for holding it down.
00:15:25.580 Yo.
00:15:26.040 Uh, you can find me on X and Instagram at real tape Brown, uh, come hang out.
00:15:31.420 Maybe send me what you think should be in the NFL end zone.
00:15:34.700 Uh, I think there should be an other option.
00:15:36.500 They should let you vote and we can put whatever we want in the end zone.
00:15:38.920 I think that'd be a lot of fun.
00:15:39.960 Um, we can have some naughty words.
00:15:42.700 So, uh, anyway, yeah.
00:15:43.760 Thank you for hanging out.
00:15:45.120 Uh, enjoy the rest of your day and we'll see you tonight for Tim cast IRL at 8 PM.
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