The Culture War - Tim Pool - September 17, 2025


The Charlie Kirk Assassination Conspiracy, Israel, Goypers, Or The Left

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far-left violence and conspiracies
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Tim Pool Phil Labonte Hannah Claire Brimelow
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Charlie Kirk Tucker Carlson Benjamin Netanyahu Billionaire Bill Ackman Candace Owens Matt Gaetz Megan Kelly Epstein Israel Connects Ontario Donald Trump Vegas Matt Walsh Zoran Mamdani Ian Carroll Gen Z Groypers Gray Zone Appalachian Nights Natasha Hausdorff and 24 more
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Charlie Kirk, a conservative commentator, was shot and killed by a man who was in a relationship with a transgender woman. Who was behind the attack? Was it an act of terrorism? Or was it a political act? On this episode of the podcast, host Alex Blumberg takes a deep dive into the theories surrounding the death of Charlie Kirk.

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00:00:58.520 Who killed Charlie Kirk?
00:01:01.560 Of course, right now, the media is reporting the suspect is in custody.
00:01:05.340 The FBI has released an overwhelming amount of evidence.
00:01:09.600 But some people are questioning this evidence.
00:01:12.020 Liberals are questioning the motive.
00:01:13.620 They tried framing this man as a conservative.
00:01:15.220 And before the dust had even settled, everyone was trying to blame their perceived enemy for
00:01:22.760 being responsible for the death of Charlie Kirk.
00:01:25.580 Now, there are people on the left who believe they have every reason to claim this guy is
00:01:30.080 a right winger.
00:01:30.680 And they put those videos out.
00:01:32.320 People on the right say they have every reason to believe this guy was clearly a leftist.
00:01:36.220 And of course, there are people who say Israel.
00:01:38.880 And they say they have every reason in the world to blame Israel.
00:01:43.800 What I can say right now is there does seem to be a simple solution to this.
00:01:48.380 A man motivated by online left ideology who was dating a trans person wanted to assassinate 0.54
00:01:54.900 Charlie Kirk, one of the most prominent conservative voices, who was responsible for the victory
00:01:58.740 of Donald Trump, largely, and who speaks out against trans people. 0.64
00:02:02.480 And it was just after he mentioned trans mass shootings. 0.85
00:02:05.120 This individual, who was reportedly as a trans lover, shot and killed him.
00:02:09.780 But simple solution doesn't always mean correct.
00:02:12.080 There is just a tendency towards that.
00:02:14.080 So what I want to do is I want to go through the theories over what really happened.
00:02:19.600 Now, of course, I think it's fair to say that the conservative theory is largely debunked
00:02:23.380 at this point.
00:02:24.200 But there are many prominent individuals that are bringing up the question of Israeli influence.
00:02:30.080 And I think it's worth talking about.
00:02:31.280 Certainly, in my view and in my sourcing on this story, the information conveyed to me
00:02:38.820 by those who work with Charlie, friends of ours from his team and everyone we've talked
00:02:43.160 to, is that yet Israel has literally nothing to do with this.
00:02:47.040 But there are questions around pressure from donors pertaining to the issue of Israel.
00:02:51.580 Now, I will say this first and foremost, because I know people are going to say,
00:02:54.760 I have my biases.
00:02:57.080 Charlie Kirk was the biggest proponent of Israel.
00:03:00.120 But I'm going to play for me, show you statements from Tucker Carlson, Matt Gaetz,
00:03:05.000 Candace Owens, Megyn Kelly even, that make it seem like Charlie had turned on Israel.
00:03:11.100 Now, in my conversations with people, I am not in those circles as Tucker, Candace or whatever.
00:03:16.660 I did not know Charlie nearly as well as they did.
00:03:19.540 But in these conversations that I've had, this is not the case.
00:03:24.720 There was no serious animosity between Charlie Kirk and Israeli donors to such an extreme degree.
00:03:30.280 In fact, what's been conveyed to me, and by all means, you're free to question whatever
00:03:33.980 you want to believe.
00:03:34.540 This is just the sourcing I've done.
00:03:35.640 I am going to show you what Candace and Tucker and Matt Gaetz and others have to say.
00:03:39.120 What's conveyed to me is that Charlie, despite his criticisms of Israel, which were not that
00:03:44.800 serious, he was actively working on behalf of donors.
00:03:50.700 He was actively working towards his own ideology, which was in defense of Israel.
00:03:55.620 In fact, you can watch these videos online where he's trying to convince young men to
00:03:58.940 effectively support Israel.
00:04:02.060 Now, take it for what it is.
00:04:03.640 I think it's important to take to look at how large organizations are affected by their donors.
00:04:08.860 And I want to give you my honest assessment, but I want to show you what these people are
00:04:12.440 actually saying.
00:04:13.360 And I don't think it's fair to call them crazy.
00:04:15.060 I certainly do not believe, and again, my personal view, I'm going to bring up Matt
00:04:19.400 Walsh's assessment and the current evidence, as well as questions I have over why.
00:04:25.240 Doesn't all add up.
00:04:26.800 I think it's fair.
00:04:27.880 But there are simple solutions here, and there are questions.
00:04:31.640 And I think considering prominent voices like Tucker Carlson, as well as Megyn Kelly and
00:04:37.240 Candace Owens, these cannot be outright dismissed.
00:04:39.760 So, I say this in all seriousness, and in good faith, please take the opportunity to
00:04:46.700 watch this assessment, critically analyze it, and I say this with the utmost respect, please
00:04:51.600 try not to get overly emotional over on what you think really happened, and listen to what
00:04:56.120 people are saying, whether it's me, anyone else, and then decide for yourself.
00:04:59.600 I've already told you what I think. 0.83
00:05:00.860 I think this was a deranged leftist.
00:05:02.980 I think that there is more to this story than just a lone actor.
00:05:05.860 I believe, as we already know, there are people who had foreign knowledge.
00:05:09.300 Evidence shows this.
00:05:11.020 The question is, was this a radical leftist cell?
00:05:14.760 Was this something bigger?
00:05:16.640 Some have even put out videos showing that the shooter may have been at a different angle.
00:05:21.900 But I have a lot to break down in that.
00:05:23.400 I'll give you my thoughts.
00:05:24.540 And I know that those who have pushed forward these theories will largely disagree with me,
00:05:28.380 but I think I can give you a rational assessment.
00:05:30.980 Again, feel free to disagree and comment and tell me what you think.
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00:05:52.700 I'm actually curious to hear what you think.
00:05:54.300 So if you're not going to comment below and you want to get deeper in the conversation,
00:05:57.440 you can go to timcast.com, click join us, join our Discord server, and let's have
00:06:04.420 this conversation in this debate.
00:06:06.080 I'll say it again.
00:06:07.160 I think it's silly to outright dismiss prominent voices that have all come out and said something
00:06:11.560 similar.
00:06:12.180 While I certainly am critical of what I would describe as Israel derangement syndrome, that 0.99
00:06:15.980 does not mean that everyone who criticized Israel is wrong.
00:06:19.080 And when you have Tucker, Candace, Matt Gaetz, Cernovich, Megyn Kelly, these are not voices
00:06:25.860 to immediately disregard.
00:06:27.580 Not that they are all explicitly stating Israel killed Charlie Kirk. 0.93
00:06:30.860 I think that idea is actually silly. 0.70
00:06:33.240 Again.
00:06:34.420 First, we'll start with this story from ABC News.
00:06:36.920 Foreign disinformation about Charlie Kirk's killing seeks to widen U.S. divisions.
00:06:41.220 Russia moved quickly to exploit conservative activist Charlie Kirk's shooting death at Utah
00:06:44.460 College, with groups linked to the Kremlin spreading false and misleading claims that experts
00:06:48.340 say are designed to incite violence.
00:06:51.280 Really?
00:06:52.920 They say Chinese and pro-Iranian groups spread disinformation about the shooting, with those
00:06:57.440 loyal to Iran's interest backing anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, while bots linked to
00:07:01.520 Beijing claimed Kirk's death shows the U.S. is violent, polarized, and dysfunctional.
00:07:06.520 Just pick whichever lie you want to.
00:07:10.100 Now, of course, I will wait for the comments to say Tim Pool was paid by Russia.
00:07:14.420 Not correct.
00:07:15.120 Or that because I went to a meeting with Bibi Netanyahu, I am somehow now under the influence
00:07:22.000 of Israel.
00:07:24.320 Believe whatever you want, okay?
00:07:26.520 I will say, full disclosure, let's talk about those things as we preface this story.
00:07:31.980 The Russia story is closed.
00:07:33.960 In December, I was informed by my legal team the U.S. government under Biden was no longer
00:07:37.560 pursuing this case against the purported Russian influence campaign.
00:07:41.180 Wonder why they gave it up after an election.
00:07:43.420 And just recently, Lauren Chen issued a statement where she explained that in April the case was
00:07:48.320 totally dismissed, and they have no evidence of anything, nor have they ever published anything,
00:07:52.580 the story is largely false.
00:07:54.280 My company and the work that I do has only ever been funded by me, and the work that I
00:07:59.480 do through sponsors, members, or otherwise, we have taken no political money.
00:08:03.860 We have various sponsors.
00:08:05.500 You can see them on the shows that we do.
00:08:07.080 They're normal companies.
00:08:07.920 We do ad sales.
00:08:09.120 The money that came for Tenet was a standard licensing agreement from a Nashville company.
00:08:15.240 And I will stress, the DOJ has dropped that case.
00:08:17.360 There's no evidence of any wrongdoing or anything nefarious.
00:08:20.300 And the meeting I had with Netanyahu earlier this year was basically a meeting with journalists
00:08:25.280 and influencers in order to convince us that we need to be on board with their war with
00:08:29.860 Iran, to which most people were like, nah.
00:08:32.660 And I strongly oppose U.S. involvement with Ukraine, Israel, or otherwise.
00:08:38.720 I don't care for.
00:08:39.880 I'm not a fan of.
00:08:40.680 I literally have nothing.
00:08:42.900 Israel is what it is. 0.99
00:08:45.020 It is what it is.
00:08:45.920 Let me give you this story from the gray zone.
00:08:49.380 Billionaire Bill Ackman convened stormy Israel intervention with Charlie Kirk sources say.
00:08:55.120 Now, why is this story so prominent?
00:08:56.980 Why are people sharing it so far and wide?
00:08:59.180 Well, the story is that Charlie Kirk was turning on Israel.
00:09:04.360 He was critical of Netanyahu, critical of the war in Gaza, as many conservatives are.
00:09:08.520 And I'm not just talking about people who hate Israel.
00:09:11.000 By all means, I can point to people who I think are really Israel obsessed. 0.67
00:09:15.220 But I think it's fair for anyone to criticize Israel's actions in Gaza. 0.96
00:09:19.880 It is a complicated scenario.
00:09:21.620 And I know there are a lot of pro-Israel people who will justify it and say rather offensive
00:09:25.520 things.
00:09:25.960 In fact, Charlie Kirk himself has a video where he mocks the destruction of Gaza, which is
00:09:33.500 why I'm like, you think Israel killed this guy?
00:09:36.180 But that's just me.
00:09:37.520 I'm not here to support or defend anyone who believes in or likes Israel. 0.70
00:09:42.320 Never have I been approached by any Israeli lobbyist types or anything, offered anything
00:09:47.640 in exchange for being in favor of Israel.
00:09:49.440 I was invited, as were many others, to a meeting at Blair House in D.C., where Netanyahu would
00:09:54.320 be.
00:09:54.520 And of course, I took it because I would meet with any world leader, including Donald Trump.
00:09:58.340 In this meeting, some people were pro-Israel, some people were not.
00:10:01.700 There was a lot of blathering, which was really inane.
00:10:05.120 It's supposed to be Chatham House, which means we can say what was said, just not who said it.
00:10:09.640 And it's about respect, I guess, so that people can speak kind of off the cuff without
00:10:13.980 being dragged in the press.
00:10:15.340 Largely, the meeting was about why the U.S. should support war with Israel, to which most
00:10:20.800 people said no.
00:10:22.260 Now, there were some claims about things I had said, arguing that I argued that Qatar was
00:10:29.420 funding anti-Israel propaganda.
00:10:32.500 I asked that question based on online stories.
00:10:35.800 I did not assert it, though I do believe foreign interests are propping up anti-Israel content.
00:10:41.700 I'm not saying explicitly Qatar.
00:10:43.280 I'm saying there are people who live in Muslim nations who are interested in watching this
00:10:46.980 content and commenting on it, and that is anti-Israel.
00:10:50.940 Now, let's read this story.
00:10:53.200 The argument they're saying is that Charlie Kirk slowly turning on Israel created a motive
00:10:56.520 for Israel to kill Charlie Kirk.
00:10:58.760 Now, I'm going to say right away, by all means, there were donors that were likely upset.
00:11:02.200 That's what the story seems to be.
00:11:03.740 And in fact, when I've reached out to people who work for TPSA, they all say in no way was
00:11:08.020 Israel involved. 0.95
00:11:08.640 This is ridiculous. 0.96
00:11:10.300 Charlie was working with them. 0.80
00:11:11.560 They loved him.
00:11:13.260 He was their guy.
00:11:14.680 He was so pro-Israel.
00:11:16.780 As the donors, the response I typically get is it's being overblown, blown out of proportions,
00:11:22.900 and in no way was it murderous or anything negative.
00:11:26.800 Despite the fact there were concerns about people like Tucker Carlson appearing at Student
00:11:31.860 Action Summit or at Amfest or whatever, they were not threatening his life.
00:11:36.540 They were saying, we don't want to provide funding if this is the direction you're going.
00:11:41.240 Very, very different.
00:11:42.260 But let's read.
00:11:43.440 The Grey Zone reports a month before Charlie Kirk's killing, billionaire pro-Israel money
00:11:46.600 man Bill Ackman arranged an intervention in the Hamptons during which sources say he and
00:11:50.600 others hammered Kirk for the conservative leaders' growing criticism of Israeli influence
00:11:54.220 in Washington.
00:11:55.500 Kirk came away fretting about Israeli blackmail, sources say, as he contemplated a Catholic conversion.
00:12:01.080 On September 11th, one day after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, so they're just repeating
00:12:05.660 it, Bill Ackman said, I feel incredibly privileged to have spent a day and shared a meal with
00:12:09.940 Charlie Kirk this summer.
00:12:10.700 He was a giant of a man.
00:12:12.460 The Grey Zone has spoken to five people with intimate knowledge of Kirk's meeting with
00:12:15.340 Ackman, which was held in early August.
00:12:17.540 According to one source, Kirk was left upset after the gathering turned into an intervention
00:12:21.500 where he was hammered for his increasingly skeptical views on U.S. special relations with Israel
00:12:26.320 and for platforming prominent conservative critics of Israel at his 2PUSA at events.
00:12:31.200 Since publishing this report, the Grey Zone has learned from one attendee of the Hamptons
00:12:34.440 event that Ackman convened the influencers under the auspices of a discussion about Zoran
00:12:38.600 Mamdani and the supposed threat he posed to the West if elected mayor of New York.
00:12:43.360 But the meeting went off the rails when Ackman personally confronted Kirk about his views on
00:12:46.660 Israel.
00:12:47.340 The public face of U.K. lawyers for Israel, Natasha Hausdorff, joined in the argument and
00:12:51.840 began screaming at Kirk, according to one attendee.
00:12:54.980 When his hosts presented him with a detailed list of every offense he supposedly committed against
00:12:58.740 Israel, Kirk was horrified, said one person.
00:13:01.720 Ackman also allegedly demanded Kirk rescind his invitation for Tucker Carlson to speak
00:13:05.980 at the upcoming AmericaFest 2025 in December.
00:13:08.660 The whole thing was a disaster, said an attendee.
00:13:11.400 I'll just give you full disclosure.
00:13:13.120 Not that I think it's going to happen, and who am I even asked this?
00:13:16.020 But the idea that we've been pitching is that we bring back the panel we did with Tucker,
00:13:21.260 Luke Rutkowski, Seamus Coughlin, Ian, myself, and leave an empty seat where Charlie was,
00:13:25.740 because this was one of the biggest shows we'd ever done, and it was an honor that Tucker
00:13:29.180 would come on my show.
00:13:30.680 I'm a fan, and I don't know if they'll be able to pull that off, but that's at least
00:13:34.560 the discussion we were having, so I don't know why they would not include him.
00:13:39.580 Kirk, according to one person with inside knowledge of the meeting with Ackman, said he left feeling
00:13:43.520 as though he had been subject to blackmail.
00:13:45.980 In a series of texts with The Grey Zone, Ackman described his accounts of his meeting with
00:13:50.000 Kirk as totally false.
00:13:50.840 He pledged to release a public statement providing his own account of the event, but refused
00:13:55.340 The Grey Zone's request for clarification or further details.
00:13:58.660 He would not accept phone calls from this reporter.
00:14:01.400 I think I can easily put this to bed, Ackman promised.
00:14:03.700 I have receipts, as they say, and not abide when asked to provide so-called receipts.
00:14:08.260 We have this from the New York Post.
00:14:10.160 Bill Ackman shares text messages with Charlie Kirk to dispel Candace Owens' claims of Israel
00:14:15.820 blackmail.
00:14:16.580 Now, again, this story is an entirely separate story from whether or not people believe that
00:14:22.020 Charlie Kirk was assassinated by Israel.
00:14:23.760 However, it is being connected because they say this is the reason they did it.
00:14:28.440 I do not believe that for a second.
00:14:29.960 Sorry.
00:14:30.600 I think Israel is a lot of things.
00:14:31.960 I think Mossad is a lot of things.
00:14:33.660 And I think Mossad is willing to do things that you would find to be amoral, evil, or otherwise.
00:14:38.140 I don't think they would kill the one guy who was like the most prominent pro-Israel
00:14:43.580 guy over this issue.
00:14:46.260 Even if Charlie Kirk were after broken away from these donors, I don't see it as a reality.
00:14:52.580 Israel had tremendous influence through Turning Point. 0.59
00:14:55.540 Even if Charlie Kirk was not going to give them everything where he was going to be, we
00:14:59.460 are solely pro-Israel, it would be the most ridiculous thing imaginable for Israel to say
00:15:04.620 we will lose a massive power platform like this.
00:15:07.540 I'll put it this way.
00:15:09.200 If a prominent leftist asked me to be involved in one of their summits, I'd go do it.
00:15:14.940 The chance to speak with all of these leftists is an opportunity, even if it's small.
00:15:19.900 I'm thinking about this logically and mathematically.
00:15:22.400 You don't stop Charlie Kirk, who is granting you this access.
00:15:26.420 It makes no sense.
00:15:29.220 New York Post says Bill Ackman on Tuesday night published private texts with Charlie Kirk,
00:15:33.560 including an invitation he extended to slain conservative activists.
00:15:36.260 Do dinner sometime with the ladies to swat down what he called slanderous claims by Candace
00:15:40.540 Owens that he staged a Hampton's intervention to blackmail Kirk over Israel.
00:15:45.020 Now, I do believe I have the actual post from Bill Ackman pulled up and I believe is this
00:15:52.520 it.
00:15:52.720 Let's pull this up.
00:15:54.660 Ackman says, a few facts, correction, and receipts to dispel some misinformation going
00:15:59.300 around social media.
00:16:00.780 The TPUSA Hamptons event was not held at my house, but rather at a hotel in Bridgehampton.
00:16:05.200 As I previously explained, I did cover the cost of the event, i.e. travel, food, and lodging
00:16:08.900 for participants.
00:16:10.040 This was not a secret event and no one signed an NDA.
00:16:12.880 Everyone, including the Turning Point rep who attended, are totally free to share whatever
00:16:16.240 they want about what took place and what was discussed.
00:16:18.840 This was not a Chatham House Rules event.
00:16:21.160 I love this because everyone's mad at me.
00:16:23.540 I love all these responses.
00:16:24.600 We're like, Tim met Netanyahu.
00:16:25.860 Yeah, and I'd meet everybody else.
00:16:27.580 If Xi Jinping was having a meeting in D.C. and I got invited to it, I'd be there as well.
00:16:31.860 Take it or leave it.
00:16:33.980 Some have publicly shared their experiences and perspectives on the convening in the spirit
00:16:38.020 of transparency.
00:16:38.700 I encourage any of the other attendees that have not already shared their thoughts in the
00:16:42.840 event to do so.
00:16:44.000 That said, I understand why some may not want to do so.
00:16:46.260 I'm going to tell you my thoughts.
00:16:47.220 I don't believe that this meeting was convened, as some describe it, as a meeting of prominent
00:16:52.780 influencers they could bring in to teach to be better at influencing.
00:16:55.540 I believe the intention of this event was specifically and explicitly to promote Israel.
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00:17:57.500 And to speak with influencers about why they should be supporting Israel.
00:18:01.880 Charlie Kirk has done these videos there.
00:18:04.240 They've popped up online where he's sitting with young Gen Z guys and he's saying Israel's
00:18:08.100 not bad or he's saying don't rag on Jews and things like this.
00:18:11.100 I believe it was Charlie Kirk's intent as well as TPUSA and those around him to defend Israel.
00:18:17.320 To try and convince young people to defend Israel.
00:18:20.640 Charlie Kirk was actively doing this and I believe that's why they convened this event.
00:18:24.580 And there are some people that argue more than that, but I think that's fair to say.
00:18:28.880 He goes on to say that I've been reluctant to, he says, I'll read a little bit earlier.
00:18:33.720 I did not complain to Charlie about Tucker Carlson's criticism of me at TPUSA.
00:18:36.940 I did ask him why he thought Tucker attacked me and he told me that he did not know why.
00:18:41.940 He told me that he thought my statement in response to Tucker was a great one that can
00:18:44.680 be found here.
00:18:46.020 I've been reluctant to post private messages, but in an effort to put this whole thing to
00:18:48.820 bed, I will share the following brief exchange with Charlie.
00:18:51.220 And when reading this text exchange, ask yourself whether Charlie sounds like someone who I
00:18:54.500 threatened, blackmailed, or was a subject of an intervention.
00:18:58.760 Charlie Kirk.
00:18:59.680 He says, how are you?
00:19:01.300 I'm doing great.
00:19:02.000 Really enjoyed our time together last week.
00:19:03.280 Thank you again for doing that.
00:19:04.180 It was great and great to get to know you better.
00:19:06.000 We should do dinner sometime with the ladies. 1.00
00:19:07.840 Absolutely.
00:19:08.320 That would be awesome.
00:19:09.640 Let me know when you'll be in New York City and we will have you over.
00:19:12.540 Thank you.
00:19:12.920 I will.
00:19:13.700 We are there a few times this fall.
00:19:14.860 Great.
00:19:15.060 Just let me know.
00:19:16.820 And so he says, lastly, I totally understand the shock and distress to all those who knew
00:19:21.140 or followed Charlie Kirk, our feeling after his untimely and tragic death.
00:19:24.620 But let's not let those emotions cause us to construct conspiracy theories that can cause
00:19:28.400 innocent people, serious, potentially deadly harm.
00:19:31.640 Okay.
00:19:31.920 There's a lot to break down.
00:19:33.720 Xavier DeRusso.
00:19:34.640 We've had him on the show several times.
00:19:36.880 He says, yes, dozens of influencers, including myself, were invited to an event by Charlie
00:19:40.160 and his team, not by Bill Ackman.
00:19:41.560 Charlie wanted to get to know rising conservative voices and where we stood on various issues.
00:19:45.620 The subject matters were primarily about the following topics.
00:19:48.580 Islam's growing presence in the West, marriage and dating, Mamdani, right-wing infighting,
00:19:52.460 the economy, and various narratives regarding Israel.
00:19:55.600 Charlie wanted to see us respectfully debate him and each other.
00:19:58.540 There was a range of views there on every topic.
00:20:00.540 He wanted to learn our perspectives and analyze our debating skills from an objective point
00:20:04.580 of view.
00:20:05.540 He started each topic with a provocative statement to encourage the creator's debate.
00:20:10.020 For example, one of the topics was, if I were to post right now, Bibi Netanyahu needs
00:20:13.800 to resign, what should be the reaction?
00:20:15.660 This, of course, led to a number of responses.
00:20:18.040 Someone said the post would indirectly empower Hamas, and Charlie responded that statement
00:20:21.440 was moral blackmail.
00:20:22.580 And that if she wants to debate the topic of Israel, she needs to work on using more facts
00:20:27.240 and less emotion.
00:20:28.440 Bill and Charlie never debated or argued.
00:20:30.040 I don't know where that narrative came from.
00:20:31.440 I'm not going to pretend to know every thought of Charlie's, but he very much stood with Israel.
00:20:34.940 His frustrations expressed during the Hamptons event were that many people debated the topic
00:20:38.460 emotionally rather than logically.
00:20:40.840 He goes on to mention that when he was contacted by the gray zone, he didn't panic.
00:20:44.240 He just didn't want, he didn't know why this person was calling him or how he got their
00:20:46.480 number.
00:20:46.760 We were encouraged to keep using our voices to fight for what we believe.
00:20:51.080 Now, here's what I think.
00:20:53.360 Why was I invited to the meeting with Netanyahu?
00:20:56.380 I think that the individuals who reached out, who got me invited, did so because they are
00:21:03.940 actively trying to lobby for Israel.
00:21:06.480 Tim Pool likely should be invited because he's neutral on the issue.
00:21:10.300 I don't much care for Israel. 0.99
00:21:12.220 And so there's an opportunity to sway someone like me.
00:21:14.420 That's what lobbying is.
00:21:16.120 They didn't, by the way.
00:21:17.420 I believe this narrative is largely the same, that TPUSA Ackman did convene this for various
00:21:23.600 reasons.
00:21:24.200 I believe they're likely were trying to talk to these people about what to believe.
00:21:27.820 Or I'm sorry, not what to believe.
00:21:29.180 They were trying to talk to them about how to convey what they believe is what I meant
00:21:32.300 to say.
00:21:33.380 However, why were these people chosen?
00:21:36.940 Likely because they thought they could sway them on the issue of Israel.
00:21:39.700 This is called lobbying.
00:21:40.900 So I'll put it like this.
00:21:42.960 I was invited to this meeting at Blair House.
00:21:44.500 Netanyahu is going to be there.
00:21:46.160 I have no problem meeting a world leader.
00:21:47.920 I understand what happened on October 7th.
00:21:50.320 I think it's silly to say that Israel orchestrated it or let it happen.
00:21:53.820 I don't follow these conspiracy theories.
00:21:56.160 I believe that I was invited largely because I'm fairly moderate on the issue.
00:21:59.860 I don't care to blame Israel for everything.
00:22:01.900 I think some people are overly obsessed.
00:22:03.780 I do think Israel is capable of very serious evils and wrongs. 1.00
00:22:06.700 Like many countries, Mossad is going to do what's in their best interests.
00:22:09.660 I think they said invite Tim Pool because we can sway him or at least they would try to.
00:22:16.540 And so I appreciate the invite.
00:22:17.880 I don't in any way hold disdain for those that extended this invite to me.
00:22:21.560 I'm just not going to change my opinion by meeting a guy and I'm going to have these
00:22:25.700 arguments.
00:22:26.020 When I asked Netanyahu explicitly, does he believe or is there any evidence that Qatar
00:22:30.580 is actually funding this sentiment?
00:22:32.260 He said, I don't know.
00:22:33.220 Maybe he didn't have a real answer.
00:22:34.640 It was then pushed forward in pro-Israeli media that I had explicitly stated they were
00:22:40.840 doing this.
00:22:41.900 Now, again, I'll stress this.
00:22:43.420 I believe that there are foreign interests influencing this country from China, Iran,
00:22:47.300 Russia, whatever.
00:22:48.200 Of course they would.
00:22:49.120 And this includes anti-Israel voices.
00:22:51.340 I believe that there's many people who live in these countries who watch videos that are
00:22:54.760 critical of Israel, which gives larger view counts to people who make videos critical of
00:22:59.280 Israel.
00:22:59.720 The question I have is how many of these people are in America and how many are not?
00:23:02.840 It's an important discussion.
00:23:04.180 If someone is getting many views because they're getting views from Indonesia or Pakistan or
00:23:08.800 wherever, this is not American audiences.
00:23:12.680 And I think it's important to understand.
00:23:14.100 But again, I will stress this and I think it's important to understand that the reason these
00:23:17.180 people were likely invited is because they thought they could get them to espouse a more
00:23:22.100 pro-Israel message.
00:23:22.980 And I don't know that for sure.
00:23:24.740 I'll come back to Ian Carroll in a second.
00:23:27.240 I wanted to bring up the Emily.
00:23:29.040 Here we go.
00:23:30.140 Evan Kilgore says, before going to an exclusive influencer retreat in Hamptons with Jewish 1.00
00:23:34.580 billionaire Bill Ackman versus going after.
00:23:36.920 Emily Wilson from Emily Saves America, whose honor has been impugned in a private message
00:23:40.880 saying, also, do you not think it's weird Israel pays everyone to go over there and 0.71
00:23:45.160 make videos promoted, et cetera?
00:23:46.600 Like, where else does that?
00:23:48.060 And then the next message in August 25, Israel isn't committing a genocide, but Muslims 0.96
00:23:53.620 around the world are, if you guys want to talk about that.
00:23:55.980 I know it doesn't go as viral, but if you guys really care, let's talk and go over the
00:23:58.780 data.
00:23:59.580 I'm not saying Emily did anything wrong, and I don't think it's even proof that her opinion
00:24:03.220 was swayed.
00:24:04.180 Just because you're critical of Israel doesn't mean you have no problem saying Israel also 0.94
00:24:07.880 isn't doing a thing.
00:24:08.580 But that's the argument.
00:24:09.900 Like, you can be critical of Israel and still not think it's a genocide, is my point.
00:24:14.500 I think there's a lot of people rightfully critical of Israel, and that's fine. 1.00
00:24:17.800 Now, here's where it gets weird.
00:24:19.820 Ian Carroll, with 11.4 million views, the day after Kirk's assassination said, yesterday
00:24:26.040 was a turning point for Israel-U.S. relations.
00:24:28.580 Less than 24 hours, the internet already figured out who the most likely culprit was.
00:24:33.080 He was their friend.
00:24:34.600 He basically dedicated his life to them, and they murdered him in front of his family.
00:24:38.100 Israel just shot themselves. 0.98
00:24:39.860 Huh?
00:24:40.900 Listen, to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
00:24:43.460 I've been tracking every angle of this story, including the Israel one, and I'm going to
00:24:46.660 show you statements from Megyn Kelly, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens.
00:24:50.320 To outright assert overtly, it's a little grifty, Ian.
00:24:55.240 Now, I messaged Ian.
00:24:56.740 I said, no, I don't think so.
00:24:58.680 Here's why.
00:24:59.820 And so, with all due respect, I like Ian.
00:25:02.200 Um, but this is over the top, bro.
00:25:05.800 I think that's fair to say.
00:25:07.680 All right?
00:25:09.320 A bit over the top.
00:25:11.040 Now, Ian also, in the past, had argued that I was trying to buy the Daily Wire.
00:25:14.320 Brother, no.
00:25:17.020 I don't have the money for that.
00:25:19.180 But this is a little over the top to make this claim.
00:25:21.040 But I'm showing you because it's got 11.4 million views.
00:25:23.800 And there are people who certainly believe it.
00:25:26.460 Now, Matt Gaetz shares this.
00:25:28.040 I'm just going to leave this here.
00:25:29.320 And it's a post from June 20th from Mark Levin, who is very pro-Israel, who said,
00:25:33.740 The Romans and Persians are gone, Charlie. 0.99
00:25:35.340 The Jews are still here.
00:25:36.800 How do you explain that?
00:25:38.440 And Israel has defeated the Iranian military.
00:25:40.460 Did it in two days.
00:25:41.300 Come back home, Charlie.
00:25:42.320 Reject the kooks, my friend.
00:25:44.100 It's an article from Mediaite.
00:25:45.200 Charlie Kirk warns against war with Iran.
00:25:47.180 Not even the Romans could defeat Persia. 0.98
00:25:50.220 I, uh, I similarly agree with Charlie.
00:25:53.080 I don't want the U.S. dragged into war with Iran.
00:25:55.620 I do not believe it was a good thing.
00:25:57.140 I believe it was bad when Trump launched these strikes, but we got out of it.
00:26:00.500 So I will accept it.
00:26:01.580 Trump won.
00:26:02.860 I will accept it.
00:26:04.180 I do not want foreign war, nor do I want the U.S. to be dragged into these wars because
00:26:08.480 of Israeli interests.
00:26:10.340 I do not think Israel rules the world or runs the United States. 0.97
00:26:13.000 That's silly.
00:26:13.880 I believe the U.S. absolutely will give in to Israel because the U.S. requires this. 0.99
00:26:19.280 It is a military bastion for the West and for the liberal economic order in the Middle 0.99
00:26:24.380 East.
00:26:25.260 So the U.S. is not controlled by Israel, but certainly has interests in aiding them. 0.99
00:26:31.300 And I don't think we should get dragged in.
00:26:32.920 That's an aside.
00:26:34.220 Let's get back to the news.
00:26:36.440 Chris Benon posted this from Tucker Carlson, which I will play.
00:26:39.800 He did not like Bibi Netanyahu.
00:26:41.040 And he said that to me many times.
00:26:42.120 And he said to people around him many times.
00:26:44.280 He felt that Bibi Netanyahu was a very destructive force.
00:26:49.560 He was appalled by what was happening in Gaza.
00:26:53.200 He was above all resentful that he believed Netanyahu was using the United States to prosecute
00:27:01.140 his wars for the benefit of his country and that it was shameful and embarrassing and bad
00:27:06.700 for the United States.
00:27:07.440 And he resented it.
00:27:08.420 Didn't hate Netanyahu.
00:27:09.940 He wasn't out there with a placard saying that.
00:27:12.240 But he certainly expressed that to me and a lot of other people.
00:27:16.160 And there's no question that Bibi's defenders on the Internet will call me a liar or a kook.
00:27:22.200 But that's a fact.
00:27:23.460 And enough text messages exist that I think it can probably be verified in pretty short
00:27:28.020 order.
00:27:28.320 Not that it needs to be because that is true.
00:27:30.560 I did not like.
00:27:31.660 I believe Tucker Carlson.
00:27:33.360 I don't believe everything he says.
00:27:34.960 I think I can get things wrong.
00:27:36.520 But when Tucker comes out and says Charlie Kirk didn't like Netanyahu and was critical and
00:27:40.460 appalled by what's happening in Gaza, I believe it. 0.97
00:27:44.500 That's a reasonable position for anyone to have.
00:27:46.320 In fact, I largely agree with Charlie Kirk.
00:27:49.640 Does that extend to Israel then killed Charlie Kirk?
00:27:52.420 I don't think so.
00:27:53.220 And the reason why is, again, I'll say this.
00:27:56.600 I have never been threatened by anybody with death or anything for criticizing Israel.
00:28:03.840 I have people tweeting at me that because I don't criticize them enough, I must be a 0.87
00:28:07.640 shill and on the payroll, which is ridiculous. 0.62
00:28:09.320 I will say it right now.
00:28:10.200 My view is the U.S. should cut off all funding, separate ties.
00:28:14.000 We do not need to be involved in whatever it is they got going on in the Middle East.
00:28:17.320 And it's a threat to the United States security when Israel is getting involved in war, say
00:28:21.280 with Iran, that then drag us into it.
00:28:24.200 So when I get invited to this meeting earlier this year and the argument literally from Netanyahu
00:28:29.200 was the U.S. needs to back Israel on this or Iran's coming for you next, the response
00:28:34.580 was laughter.
00:28:35.780 Seriously, I think and I said this in this meeting, Israel has got five to 10 years. 0.95
00:28:42.120 Gen Z is no longer buying it.
00:28:43.600 The left is anti-Israel.
00:28:44.980 The right is either Israel critical, anti-Israel or anti-interventionist.
00:28:50.380 And so whatever.
00:28:52.460 And that's probably why they're doing what they're doing, Israel, in terms of Gaza, because 0.61
00:28:56.140 they're about to lose U.S. support and they know it.
00:28:58.240 Now, back to the point at hand.
00:29:00.840 Matt Gaetz responded to another post about Tucker Carlson saying, I have personal knowledge
00:29:05.280 as to many of the claims Tucker is making here, and they are 100 percent true.
00:29:09.380 It's an eight minute video.
00:29:10.400 I will play some of it for you now.
00:29:11.940 And I said, you know, probably not going to talk about that.
00:29:15.660 I'm not going to torture you.
00:29:16.840 I know your donors hate this when I say that.
00:29:19.520 And also Epstein was in the news and it was clear to me that, you know, Epstein is probably
00:29:25.380 not like a Mossad agent or something.
00:29:27.160 But Epstein clearly had contact with Israeli intelligence and American intelligence and
00:29:31.900 French intelligence.
00:29:32.580 But the only one you're not allowed to talk about is Israeli intelligence.
00:29:35.100 But it seemed true to me.
00:29:37.160 And I had done.
00:29:37.940 I was pausing and I never this never affected me.
00:29:39.980 I don't understand this.
00:29:41.020 I make videos about Israel all the time.
00:29:43.420 I am not some sycophant for Israel.
00:29:46.200 I've never experienced this.
00:29:48.820 We talk on Timcast IRL, which is one of the biggest live shows.
00:29:51.980 I think we had like 90,000 concurrence last night or 100,000.
00:29:54.820 Actually, I think it was over 100,000.
00:29:57.300 And we talk about Epstein and the Mossad all the time.
00:30:02.440 Yeah, I don't know.
00:30:03.180 It's just me.
00:30:04.560 Now, in response to what Matt Gaetz said, AFPost says, Tucker Carlson said that Charlie
00:30:07.800 Kirk told him at a TPUSA student action summit last July to highlight Epstein's connections
00:30:11.980 to Mossad.
00:30:13.460 Distinguishing between Netanyahu and the state of Israel, Carlson claimed that Kirk hated Netanyahu
00:30:17.000 and his war on Gaza despite loving Israel.
00:30:19.240 So this is from the other video, but I show Matt Gaetz saying it's true.
00:30:23.640 So we have this.
00:30:24.980 I'll come back to the Jackson Hinkle one. 1.00
00:30:27.000 This was I should have had that one next to the Ian Carroll one, mind you.
00:30:30.280 We've got this from Candace Owens.
00:30:32.400 Megan Kelly also saying she was threatened and intimidated and pressured over Israel and
00:30:36.520 who to platform.
00:30:37.800 She also confirms Charlie experienced the same nefarious pressure.
00:30:41.280 Thank you, Megan.
00:30:42.560 Daylight is the best disinfectant.
00:30:47.000 Mike Cernovich, I defer to him after what Megan Kelly said.
00:30:49.960 Now what going to call her mentally ill to say she's using a death for clout? 0.97
00:30:54.120 Call her obsessed. 0.95
00:30:55.260 Now what propaganda bots?
00:30:57.160 Here's what I will.
00:30:58.280 I will say to you guys.
00:30:59.560 The insinuation that Mossad, Israel killed Charlie Kirk, I think is a bridge too far.
00:31:05.380 You are making so many assumptions and I believe it's largely rooted in just general disdain
00:31:10.200 or distrust for Israel.
00:31:11.160 Some people just really hate Israel. 0.98
00:31:12.960 Some people just really hate Jews.
00:31:14.000 I think it probably is correct based on even my independent fact finding that there were
00:31:20.400 Jewish donors upset that Charlie Kirk was on hard line for Israel and everything Israel
00:31:25.060 is doing.
00:31:25.920 But that being said, Charlie Kirk was overtly pro-Israel.
00:31:32.240 Now the argument I've heard is that Israel killed him because it opened the door for new
00:31:36.360 leadership, which will be substantially more pro-Israel.
00:31:38.920 And thus they can keep Tucker Carlson out. 0.97
00:31:40.960 That's silly.
00:31:41.520 They need only offer him more money or more donors or more lobbying. 0.55
00:31:45.060 I mean, this is just, if the argument is that Charlie Kirk went to the Hamptons over
00:31:49.240 this Israel stuff, it sounds like they were pressuring him to be more pro-Israel.
00:31:57.740 But I don't know how you get more pro-Israel than Charlie Kirk, to be completely honest.
00:32:00.940 And I will say this too.
00:32:02.260 I believe that Charlie Kirk's statements, it's largely a negotiating and sales tactic.
00:32:08.800 When you look at some of these videos of Charlie Kirk and the things he said about Palestinians
00:32:12.660 or Gaza, it's like, yeah, this dude was pro-Israel.
00:32:16.380 So why would Charlie Kirk publicly and to his friends say, I agree with you on Gaza? 0.98
00:32:21.940 Because it's called rapport extreme turn.
00:32:25.240 Rapport is the first step in changing someone's mind.
00:32:28.100 And Charlie knew that.
00:32:29.720 Here's my genuine opinion.
00:32:31.600 Charlie had reasonable concerns about Israel because I think any sane person would. 0.99
00:32:35.400 Charlie was extremely pro-Israel and wanted Israel to succeed.
00:32:40.300 Charlie talking with his friends like Tucker or Megan or anyone else is going to say, I
00:32:45.040 hear you and I agree with you.
00:32:46.320 Why?
00:32:47.000 That is how you connect with people.
00:32:49.780 So for someone to then take that, Charlie recognizing the feelings and concerns of his
00:32:54.420 friends and being reasonable on them as to mean that he was turning on Israel is a bit
00:32:59.360 too much in my opinion.
00:33:01.080 My assessment, Charlie Kirk is probably facing a lot of pressure from donors.
00:33:05.600 Israel did not kill Charlie Kirk.
00:33:07.120 I think that's really absurd to assume.
00:33:09.920 I do believe that there's information and what we know about what's going on with Charlie
00:33:13.800 Kirk's assassination that doesn't add up as far as we can tell right now, but it is early.
00:33:18.040 And now I'd like to take you through that.
00:33:21.480 So we have this video.
00:33:22.660 It's called Ballistics Don't Lie from Outside the Overton, a small channel with 25,000 subs,
00:33:29.360 but 520,000 views, breaking down theories on what actually happened to Charlie.
00:33:36.000 Now I've seen videos of this from other people, and the argument they're making is that the
00:33:41.300 building back here to Charlie's back right is the actual origin of the round, and that
00:33:46.200 it went through Charlie creating an exit wound.
00:33:49.040 Certainly they make their argument, and I'm not a ballistics expert, so I don't know.
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00:34:56.460 Everybody's offering up something different, and it's confusing and it's hard to know for sure.
00:35:00.560 The simple solution to all of this, I will give you my personal probabilistic estimate.
00:35:06.740 Charlie Kirk was taken out by leftist radicals who were organized.
00:35:11.220 This man did not act alone.
00:35:12.880 They covered things up.
00:35:13.940 They obfuscated details because it was premeditated.
00:35:16.600 For instance, no one in their right mind believes that the messages released by the FBI are one-for-one messages.
00:35:27.560 In fact, this is a transcription which they say was the released text messages.
00:35:33.080 I don't even know that it was text.
00:35:34.380 It might have been spoken.
00:35:35.180 I don't know.
00:35:35.600 If you genuinely believe that this is a real conversation, boy, do I have a bridge to sell you.
00:35:41.500 It may be.
00:35:43.040 The Reddit Lies account, it's a fun account to follow, by the way, shut up, said they actually think it is real because they spend all day reading through weird Reddit autistic screeching, and it does look a lot like this. 0.93
00:35:55.220 Here's my point.
00:35:57.620 You know, when I read through this, and someone says, remember how I was engraving bullets?
00:36:03.120 The effing messages were mostly a big meme.
00:36:05.380 This reads like an orgy of evidence.
00:36:09.140 People don't talk this way, nor would they, I mean, it's a little over the top.
00:36:14.340 If it was a direct transcription, all the texts are perfectly punctuated with proper grammar.
00:36:19.420 Yeah, I don't think so.
00:36:23.260 Nobody texts that way.
00:36:24.240 So that's why nobody believes it.
00:36:25.960 Matt Walsh has a really great answer.
00:36:29.000 He says, I am leaning very strongly towards the theory that this text exchange was scripted as a way to absolve the boyfriend.
00:36:33.980 It's almost exactly what Walter White did at the end of Breaking Bad.
00:36:37.140 This feels like a strategy they cooked up from watching too much TV.
00:36:41.000 I actually agree with this.
00:36:42.600 In my view, Washington Post, Kirk shooting suspect had leftist ideology but motive unclear.
00:36:49.000 Utah official says from independent.co.uk.
00:36:53.160 Man 71 told cops he shot Charlie Kirk in order to give the real shooter time to escape.
00:36:57.860 Now he's being charged with child sexual abuse material.
00:37:00.940 The FBI is investigating a lot more than 20 people in Discord chats with suspected Charlie Kirk assassin.
00:37:07.960 And I'll grab one more from you.
00:37:09.800 I believe it's from the Free Beacon.
00:37:11.840 Let me see if I can find this.
00:37:14.280 Yes, here we are.
00:37:15.380 This is an important one.
00:37:16.280 FBI investigating social media accounts that appeared to indicate foreknowledge of Kirk assassination.
00:37:22.540 Now by all means, I know there are going to be people who say Tim's covering up for Israel or whatever because that's what they want to believe. 0.81
00:37:26.500 That's silly.
00:37:27.060 And I'll tell you why I don't believe it was Israel. 0.80
00:37:29.620 As I already laid out, I think Charlie was the biggest proponent of Israel.
00:37:32.560 And they lost one of the most important machines that they had in place.
00:37:37.880 Even if Charlie was critical of Israel, man, does this hurt them.
00:37:42.960 Believe whatever you want to believe.
00:37:44.820 We have here numerous accounts that look to be trans-aligned following each other in discords that express foreknowledge of Charlie Kirk's assassination.
00:37:55.100 One saying, Charles James Kirk, Mr. College Dropout, does not know what's coming tomorrow.
00:37:59.780 Be ready.
00:38:00.240 This isn't a threat.
00:38:00.780 It's a promise.
00:38:02.660 I can't tell you what is or what isn't.
00:38:05.480 I can tell you there are a lot of questions about what happened that fateful day.
00:38:09.240 Videos purporting to show a bullet coming from another direction, but it's all speculation based on grainy footage.
00:38:13.260 And we don't actually know.
00:38:14.980 We don't.
00:38:15.480 But by all means, you're allowed to entertain these ideas and explore and try and discover.
00:38:19.900 But I'll give you my assessment.
00:38:21.620 I don't believe the FBI is lying.
00:38:23.340 I don't think that Cash and Dan are being duped.
00:38:25.720 They are outright saying we are investigating this.
00:38:28.920 What I think right now makes the most sense, though, it's early.
00:38:32.760 Preplanned.
00:38:34.060 Many leftists were involved in some degree having foreknowledge.
00:38:37.840 Maybe not explicitly or directly helping the shooter, but they knew.
00:38:41.660 These seven accounts that posted online, these are the weakest link.
00:38:47.740 These are people who are so giddy that they knew it was coming.
00:38:50.980 They needed everyone to know that they knew they wanted people to see them as being special and part of the in crowd.
00:38:57.340 This is why people leak information.
00:39:00.320 They want others to know that they have something.
00:39:05.080 And so seven, it was more than that.
00:39:07.700 The FBI is currently investigating more than 20 people in these discords.
00:39:12.740 How many people?
00:39:13.880 We don't know, but more than 20.
00:39:15.660 Seven of whatever this group is leaked the information a little bit because they wanted you to see it.
00:39:22.780 It sounds to me like there are leftist militants who have been planning the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
00:39:29.460 Charlie Kirk was assassinated by them.
00:39:31.800 The confusing details are all because premeditated murders often go unsolved.
00:39:35.780 And if they did plan this, and it sounds like many people were involved, they certainly, they certainly plan for what comes next.
00:39:44.200 The messages, as Matt Wall states, were to create confusion and to absolve the boyfriend of any responsibility.
00:39:53.040 Because the boyfriend in the text is going, what?
00:39:55.100 I had no idea this was happening.
00:39:56.740 How could you do this?
00:39:58.520 Then when the shooter is caught, they say, this is doubt, isn't it?
00:40:02.220 So if they were to ever try and convict the boyfriend for any kind of involvement, you could present a jury with reasonable doubt.
00:40:08.340 These are the text messages they had.
00:40:10.600 Do you really think they've planted fake messages?
00:40:13.800 That's harder to believe, isn't it?
00:40:15.200 It is.
00:40:16.200 And so I'll admit that.
00:40:18.040 But why did I do it?
00:40:20.860 I can't believe you did.
00:40:23.020 Remember when I was engraving the bullets and had those memes on them?
00:40:25.400 I think it's reasonable to assume the boyfriend was involved, and these messages were crafted intentionally as fake evidence, an orgy of evidence.
00:40:34.260 Now, I will say this.
00:40:36.020 You're familiar with the phrase orgy of evidence?
00:40:37.260 It comes from Minority Report, and it's when they find the bed full of all these photos, and he says, no, I don't believe this.
00:40:42.440 All of the evidence spattered right there to prove the bad thing was going to happen, we call that an orgy of evidence.
00:40:47.080 Typically, when someone commits a crime, they'll panic, they'll try and cover it up a little bit, and you'll find enough evidence.
00:40:52.700 Not all of it.
00:40:53.360 So why would I believe these messages just overtly?
00:40:57.540 If it is an orgy of evidence, what is the conspiracy?
00:40:59.980 What's really going on?
00:41:00.960 The simple solution would be the boyfriend or the roommate was trying—the shooter, the assassin, was trying to cover up for the boyfriend.
00:41:08.200 I don't have all the answers, my friends, but what I will say is we've known for the longest time the far left is violent.
00:41:13.380 We know that they've plotted murders.
00:41:15.000 I am getting death threats right now.
00:41:16.500 Israel isn't doing it. 0.65
00:41:17.600 Groypers are not doing it. 0.99
00:41:19.560 Okay?
00:41:20.200 I have spoken—I have criticized Israel. 0.87
00:41:22.740 In fact, Tim Kast, the IRL, has had tons of people critical of Israel.
00:41:27.800 Dave Smith is a friend.
00:41:29.120 He comes on relatively often.
00:41:31.860 Critical of Israel.
00:41:33.860 We've had Candace Owens on. 1.00
00:41:35.220 Not in the capacity of criticizing Israel, but we'd have her again. 1.00
00:41:37.920 I don't see them as making these amateur mistakes.
00:41:43.380 I don't think so.
00:41:45.820 It makes the most sense in my view—and by all means, tell me I'm wrong in the comments—that left-wing groups who we know to be violent, who have plotted the death of me—look, prominent conservatives, I don't want to name them because of their security reasons, but these high-profile people on the right don't have security guards because of Israel or Groypers. 0.83
00:42:02.340 Ben Shapiro, maybe, to be fair.
00:42:05.600 But it's typically because of the far left.
00:42:08.320 The people who swatted us, the evidence points to the far left.
00:42:11.420 The people who physically attacked me, they were far left.
00:42:14.280 The death threats I get every day are from accounts that espouse far-left views.
00:42:17.720 There is no Groyper conspiracy masquerading as leftists. 0.99
00:42:20.760 These leftists go on camera and desecrate memorials.
00:42:24.860 They go on camera.
00:42:25.800 They punched Jack Posobiec.
00:42:27.080 We film it.
00:42:27.880 We see it happen.
00:42:29.060 They tear down our monuments.
00:42:30.500 They desecrate the memorials and grave sites.
00:42:34.640 We get it.
00:42:36.460 There is a plethora of evidence throughout the past several years indicating the far left was capable, willing, and would.
00:42:42.740 Charlie didn't have security because he feared Israel. 0.70
00:42:46.440 Charlie didn't have security because he feared Groypers. 1.00
00:42:48.900 He had security because of the left.
00:42:51.280 By all means, it doesn't mean it's definitive.
00:42:53.120 We don't know.
00:42:54.580 But I think right now, taking everything into the big picture, it looks like the simplest solution is.
00:43:00.620 There are many leftists who organized this.
00:43:03.620 It was not a lone will factor.
00:43:04.860 I reject that.
00:43:05.580 That seems silly.
00:43:06.580 How can you believe these are direct transcripts of text messages? 0.96
00:43:09.560 That's silly to believe.
00:43:10.380 No one believes that.
00:43:11.020 No one on the right or left believes that.
00:43:12.960 So then what is it?
00:43:13.940 Do you think the FBI fabricated this to get this guy convicted?
00:43:18.520 That's a maybe.
00:43:19.300 But I think considering the fact that they caught a guy, released him, caught a guy, released him.
00:43:26.000 The simpler argument actually is the FBI is having a hard time but doing their best.
00:43:30.580 They didn't fabricate this.
00:43:31.560 I think the reality is the left did.
00:43:35.980 Do you think if they were planning this, they'd just think ahead?
00:43:38.700 There's one point.
00:43:39.600 Look at this question.
00:43:40.760 How long have you been planning this?
00:43:42.020 A bit over a week, I believe.
00:43:43.580 I can get close to it, but there's a squad car parked.
00:43:45.540 Who says that?
00:43:47.460 A bit over a week, I believe.
00:43:49.760 Colloquial English is probably a week.
00:43:52.500 Maybe a week.
00:43:53.620 Not I believe.
00:43:55.660 I don't know.
00:43:56.520 I think a week.
00:43:57.520 Nobody talks like that.
00:43:59.200 This seems scripted for sure.
00:44:01.140 And if it is, again, Matt Walsh, I think, hit the nail on the head with the hammer.
00:44:06.100 And he's got 7 million views on this one.
00:44:08.640 I agree.
00:44:09.980 We don't know.
00:44:12.260 Back to this video that is going massively viral from Ballistics Don't Lie.
00:44:19.020 There's good points being raised.
00:44:20.700 None of it's definitive.
00:44:21.940 Grainy footage and artifacting make it hard to understand.
00:44:23.920 And everybody thinks they know exactly how someone would react in getting shot in a certain way.
00:44:28.820 There are interesting questions I have.
00:44:32.640 When the story first broke, the video appeared to show, the first video,
00:44:37.740 Charlie getting shot from the front.
00:44:40.400 And reports were that a man in the crowd screamed about trans people and then shot him.
00:44:45.440 And that's what I thought happened.
00:44:47.200 And from that assessment, many people posted videos purporting to show a hole in his shirt
00:44:52.620 and then the impact point on his neck.
00:44:55.000 The hole in the shirt there pointed was actually a lav mic, which you can see. 0.77
00:44:58.280 Some people have shown a photo of Charlie, and you can see a weird line.
00:45:01.440 It looks like padding on his arm.
00:45:02.340 In fact, it is just the sunlight casting a shadow against his necklace.
00:45:05.760 And you can see in other photos, he's wearing a, you know, a bead, a metal bead necklace.
00:45:12.880 These videos are grainy and hard to break through.
00:45:14.560 And I'm not telling you what to believe.
00:45:15.720 I don't know.
00:45:16.780 I'm just saying what we know right now, I have reached out to people.
00:45:20.160 I have asked questions.
00:45:21.020 It appears this is leftist.
00:45:24.380 And I don't know why we would need to excuse them for any reason.
00:45:27.460 Even those that are critical of Israel know the far left does this.
00:45:29.860 We've all talked about it.
00:45:30.740 In this instance, the evidence points to the left.
00:45:33.640 Maybe I'm wrong.
00:45:34.680 You tell me.
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