Best of the Program ｜ Guest： Joseph Edlow ｜ 10⧸6⧸25
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A message from the Elementary Teachers Federation of Ontario about the growing number of overcrowded classrooms in Ontario schools. Joseph Edlow, the head of the Department of Homeland Security's fraud unit, joins the show to talk about the rampant fraud going on in the immigration system.
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Too many students are packed into overcrowded classrooms in Ontario schools,
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But instead of helping our kids, the Ford government is playing politics,
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taking over school boards and silencing local voices.
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Tell the Ford government to get serious about tackling overcrowded classrooms,
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because smaller classes would make a big difference for our kids.
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A message from the Elementary Teachers Federation of Ontario.
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We started at a place where I wanted to take politics out of the issue of the National Guard in Chicago.
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but only if you get rid of the notion that the ends justify the means.
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We have to talk about what's actually happening on the ground
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and what our responsibility to the Constitution is.
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He runs the Department of Immigration Services that actually is going in and rooting out all of the corruption.
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He just finished a project up in Minnesota that shows people are marrying their nieces and nephews,
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One was by the Justice Department along with the Health and Human Services.
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And it was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen.
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And they said, we're shutting down a Russian ring that was defrauding Medicare of $15 billion.
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The second fraud investigation that I was stunned by and so happy to see was when Joseph Edlow, who is the Citizenship and Immigration Services Director, was in Minneapolis.
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And he started talking about how immigration fraud, fake marriages and everything else, how it is rampant in the system.
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And he started in Minneapolis, found all kinds of stuff, and said, we're going city after city after city on this.
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So, but certainly not me, Joseph Edlow is with us now, who has been directing this on immigration fraud.
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Thank you, Joe, for everything that you guys are doing.
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So, can you tell me what you found in Minneapolis?
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Well, we started in Minneapolis for a lot of reasons, mainly because we were looking at various fraud patterns that we've seen.
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We know that there is rampant fraud, as you said, within the system.
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And looking at our data, one of the cities that had the largest examples of it was Minneapolis.
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Plus, we have great cooperation there with our partners at FBI, with ICE, and with the U.S. Attorney's Office.
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And we thought, what better place to make a big splash than a place where we can maybe prosecute some cases after we find the fraud.
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What we found, I can't even begin to tell you how many examples of fraud in various areas of immigration we found.
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I expected some fraud in those trying to naturalize and become citizens.
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I did not expect the amount of fraud we found within the optional practical training program,
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where students who have graduated are able to stay in country for a couple more years to work.
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We found fraud within the H-1B program, where someone came in saying they were in some high-skilled career.
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Not saying that's not important, but that's not the basis for an H-1B fraud.
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We found marriage fraud, where someone was saying that their spouse was dead.
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They apparently had paid money for a death certificate in Kenya.
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The mother is actually alive, and as I said in the press conference, living in Minneapolis, has five children,
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and the alien also has another wife in Sweden with another three children.
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As I said in the conference, we are declaring an all-out war on marriage fraud, on immigration fraud,
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and I'm going to restore integrity to the system.
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How common is it in the Somali community to, quote, marry a relative?
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You know, we've got examples of it in many different nationality groups of ethnic nationalities,
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but, you know, we have seen in Minneapolis many examples of marriage fraud within that Somali community.
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You know, there are a lot of active investigations pending on that matter.
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I don't want to get into specifics on any one of them, but we are looking into it, and we're going to end it.
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Is there anyone in a high-level congressional that is being looked into?
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I can't say that there's any one person that we are specifically looking at,
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but there are fraud investigations that will continue, and depending on what comes up,
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those findings will become public as we develop what the next steps are going to be.
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So, are you guys finding the same kind of pushback that ICE is at all?
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The outward-facing part of this investigation, of this operation, was done with door knocks.
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Obviously, officer safety would be paramount, but we're not, at this point, USCIS does not have armed officers.
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People were not, many people were not willing to answer.
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Many people thought that we were not legitimate law enforcement,
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Minneapolis police isn't exactly helpful, but they did come in these cases and confirm that we are who we said we were.
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But certainly there's pushback, and I think if you saw any part of my press conference with the questions that I got from the media out there,
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yeah, there was a lot of pushback as to why we're doing it.
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And what I don't understand is why anyone looks at immigration fraud through any lens that it's less troubling than something like IRS fraud.
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I said in the conference, if we were here announcing a major breakthrough in tax fraud,
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we'd be applauded nationwide by everyone, saying that we were saving the taxpayers' money and that we were doing the right thing.
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Why is this any different when we're trying to enforce another type of law like immigration law?
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The people who are advising those who are applying?
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Or the people who are taking the applications in our own government?
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Well, no, it's not the people taking the applications.
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I mean, we have a very robust program to find those in the government or in my agency here who are not acting above board.
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The issue here, it's a combination of those that are preparing the applications, the lawyers that are advising,
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and in some cases, in many cases, the aliens who are entering into these fraudulent marriages.
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I mean, it really gets down to, are we talking on a case-by-case basis about a case where the attorney filed something
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and the alien had no idea that it was filed, or are we talking about a case where the alien was 100% involved in the fraud?
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It's different depending on the type of fraud that we're looking at.
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In one case, it's going to be denial of the benefits and referral to the immigration courts for ultimate deportation
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even if the alien has no other right to be here, which, let's be honest, if they commit marriage fraud
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and any other types of fraud, they shouldn't have any other right to be here.
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But in the cases where we are seeing large-scale fraud patterns,
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I want to make sure that those attorneys are facing the consequences,
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that those non-attorney preparers are facing the consequences,
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and that requires coordination with the U.S. attorney's offices, with ICE, with FBI,
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to see if there's larger investigations out there, and that's what we're going to keep doing.
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Do you believe that there is any kind of large-scale coordination?
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I do think there are large-scale fraud patterns out there that we have not had as a government
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either the interest or the resources to investigate.
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So, to that end, I don't know if you saw, but USCIS now has the authority to hire investigators,
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special agents, who are actually going to be going out there specifically to look at fraud of this magnitude.
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Additionally, we're also starting now a massive hiring campaign
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where we are looking to bring in new adjudicators, which we will train.
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There's going to be signing bonuses and retention bonuses for certain openings,
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and there's going to be some flexible duty locations for these openings.
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But we are looking to really make this system work,
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and I will hire whatever and whoever I need to make sure that we have the resources
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to investigate these fraud patterns and to take the appropriate action.
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What qualifications do you need to work or to apply?
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But really, there's no prior experience needed.
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So, as long as you're a U.S. citizen, have a clean record,
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and can have the ability to analyze in a meaningful way, we're looking at you.
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So, we're hoping we've got a lot of applications out there already,
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We are looking for people here who are going to come in to ensure that we are keeping the homeland safe.
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They will be looking at cases for people looking for green cards, for naturalization.
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And we want to make sure that they're looking at it through the right lens.
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there's a website that will give you all the information on the positions,
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And really, we are trying here, and I have a mandate.
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I'm not interested in a year-long hiring process.
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I want to get these people in, trained, and working across the country as soon as possible.
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And what, can you say which cities you're looking at next?
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I'll be honest, I'd prefer not to at this point.
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There are two or three cities that I've already had interest.
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I got a call the day of the press conference from a U.S. attorney in another city saying,
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So, you know, there's cities out there that are looking forward to this.
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And we're excited to bring this show nationwide and really show what this agency does,
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what it can do, and how we can make this system better.
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When it comes to immigration integrity, we were left with a complete, complete mess on our hands.
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And this is one of the major, major ways that we're going to clean up that mess,
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that we're going to unravel the knot of the legal immigration system.
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This is not about preventing anyone from immigrating here.
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This is about ensuring that the right people are and that there is, as I keep saying,
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Joseph Edlow is a U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service Director.
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I'm going to start with Chicago, but I think this goes through a through line for everything
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we're going to talk about on today's podcast and broadcast.
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When you now have the governor coming out and saying, I don't believe ICE, I don't believe
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that there was, you know, some woman that was trying to kill them.
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When Chicago calls the police back and says you're not to help protect federal agents, when
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you have now cartels coming out with wanted posters offering rewards for ICE agents' death,
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There are those who wish to destroy Western civilization.
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We're not talking about the people who wanted to vote for Joe Biden because they thought
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We are talking about people who actually wish to destroy our nation and our civilization.
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Now, that seems nuts, but no more nuts than the Occupy Wall Street leadership being in bed
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You have to understand the world that we live in right now.
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This is not just about America, and it's certainly not about Democrats and Republicans.
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The America that believes in its citizens, the America that has a government of, by, and
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And, as Lincoln said, we are testing that now of whether that any nation, this nation
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Now, extremists in our own country have cobbled together any enemies of that idea to disrupt
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Those who hold power and wealth and position globally believe they can escape the consequences
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They have built a giant, elaborate system to have this fall into when it collapses.
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And make no mistake, you must open your eyes and realize this is what is happening.
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I mean, you paid the price in 2008 during the crash, right?
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But I don't think they know what they're doing.
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Because once you open this can, evil comes pouring out.
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And they use both of those events, and events like George Floyd.
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All of these things were uniting to the American people.
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We were all on the same side until somebody came in and made it about politics to keep us
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Before I get into Chicago and everything else, I want to start with this blank slate.
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I want to ask you where you have been in the last 25 years, okay?
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25 years ago, 20, 25 years ago, were you for transgender surgery on children?
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Were you for drag queen shows in elementary schools?
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Were you for lockdowns and forced vaccines 10 years ago?
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I want people on the left and the right to answer.
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Government partnering with big global corporations to pick winners and losers.
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Killing of political opponents because they disagree with you.
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Were you for police brutality such as the death of George Floyd?
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Governments being in bed with big tech to silence opposition.
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Violence on the streets just for political opinion.
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Wide open borders and letting 10 million unvetted into our country.
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Turning a blind eye to terrorists from another country in our homeland.
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The setting up of Sharia law in major cities in America.
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Saying that one's political opponent should be killed along with their children.
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10 years ago, 15 years ago, would you have said, oh, I'll vote for that person?
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The rounding of people, just because you're brown or you're black, rounding them up on the streets and just saying, papers, please.
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Cartels issuing wanted posters for law enforcement and offers of reward for their death.
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All personal information just dumped out online for political purposes.
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Government ownership of land, housing, and business.
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A strongman dictator without American constitutional restraints such as the Bill of Rights.
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The government in partnership with big business that allows ownership but picks the winners and losers
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and only allows businesses to act in ways dictated by the government.
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Were you for firebombing of churches or mosques or synagogues?
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Were you for the firebombing of abortion clinics?
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Were you for the firebombing of abortion doctors?
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Were you for the targeting of abortion doctors?
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Were you for the targeting of any American citizen?
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Were you for light sentences for somebody who's trying to kill the Supreme Court justices?
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25 years ago, were you for putting men in women's sports?
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Well, if you weren't for those things, and I mean this sincerely, I want you to call me right now,
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if you're for any of them now, and tell me what changed your mind.
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What new information did you get that changed your mind?
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Nor will I accept, yeah, but Biden in the left, that's what.
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What evidence was given to you that changed your mind?
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You can't use Trump or any acts from the other side to justify it.
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And if you can't justify the things that you are now for, that you were not then,
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You're most likely feeling really angry right now.
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Because all I'm doing is asking, I want to learn from you.
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Is that anger or these feelings or this unwillingness to connect and say,
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And I used to think that, you know, drag shows were wrong in elementary schools.
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But I do believe they're good now for our children.
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Because I think it's through careful conditioning.
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Now, now that we're in this neutral-ish place, hopefully,
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let's talk about, with reason, the use of soldiers in our cities.
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And I'm still not for soldiers executing the law in our cities.
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But constitutionally, there are a couple of things.
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Jordan Peterson's daughter has just issued a really heartfelt, tearful health update on Jordan Peterson, her dad.
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Do we have a clip of that we could play quickly?
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Because this is too hard to explain off the cuff, so I wrote it out.
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Dad was in an ICU suffering from pneumonia and sepsis
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after dealing with a host of neurological issues this summer
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that we believe stemmed from SIRS, which is chronic inflammatory response syndrome
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We don't have a better explanation for his neurological symptoms at the moment
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He's been suffering for the last number of years
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with unexplainable neuropathy and weakness, amongst other symptoms.
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But they worsened this summer after he cleaned out his parents' basement
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We weren't able to communicate with dad really all of September.
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During the end of the pneumonia, he was diagnosed with critical illness polyneuropathy,
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which we're hoping is critical illness myopathy, which is bad enough.
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That's been heartbreaking and brutal on top of everything else.
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But after almost a month in the ICU, he's been moved out to a less urgent floor.
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We're still in the midst of this, but now we're seeing improvements daily.
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The timeline for his full recovery is hard to tell at the moment,
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and I'll update everyone when we have more information.
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Like I said, this summer's been exceedingly difficult and terrifying.
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Dad's condition is complicated by the fact he can't take most medications without suffering
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from severe paradoxical reactions, which limits treatment options.
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Like I mentioned, I believe there's a spiritual element at play here.
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I think a lot of people have felt it in the last few weeks and months.
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It's been hitting my dad and my family hard this summer.
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In August, the day dad was brought to a hospital by ambulance,
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my newborn Audrey was also brought to a hospital by ambulance within hours of each other.
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This was the second time this summer we had brought Audrey to the hospital
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after she almost died from near heart failure at six weeks old.
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That is exceedingly rare and they couldn't find a cause for.
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But mom and I in particular really wanted to reach out and ask for prayers
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But also for the nurses and doctors taking care of him,
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my brother, and family and friends who have come to support us.
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And given we think there's a spiritual element at play here,
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we believe the right way to fight back is to keep going
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I would ask that you would pray as if we were in a world war.
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And I would pray for those who are on the front lines.
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Pray for your Constitution and Bill of Rights like you've never prayed before.
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But you're seeing some of the most powerful voices