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On today's episode of the Glenn Beck Program, host Glenn Beck is joined by John Ziegler and Bill O'reilly to discuss the latest in the fight over abortion and the celebrity that was accosted by Donald Trump supporters in Chicago on one of the coldest nights of the year.
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oh my gosh what a wild ride this friday podcast really is uh we start out with the with the
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incredibly bad bill that apparently the president is going to sign we urged our listeners to write
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and call the white house go on social media please go for a continuing resolution over this bill
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and we go through it and why it's so bad also bill o'reilly who has a completely different take
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on things and then john ziegler tells us the story this amazing story uh about the celebrity that was
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accosted by trump supporters in chicago on one of the coldest nights of the year a star from empire
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uh that one's falling apart and falling apart quickly we talked to john ziegler all on today's
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you're listening to the best of the glenn beck program
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i wrote to a silicon valley guy and i wrote to a military intelligence person
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and i said the spending bill and the national emergency
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all three of them came back with a different answer
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so i don't know how the left isn't winning already
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we won't be able to stand the onslaught that i think is coming
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i'm going to be a guy who will point out the things that i believe are right
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uh but i am not going to judge you or anyone else
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i don't know how many people really feel that way
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but i don't feel comfortable enough saying that
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this is the change that came with all of this hope
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but if you look at the things that we are dealing with now
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i told you if you're a long-time listener of this program
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nothing good happens when everybody is at each other's throats
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that's chain migration so if trump gets doesn't
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playing now is we have to stop that okay so but
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it's a symbol of the fight the rubicon expensive
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the bill my problem is with the bill my problem
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continuing resolution we've had one since george bush left office
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why this push all of a sudden for this spending bill
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when you can just do what we've done since george bush left office
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we don't have a we don't have a budget we have a continuing resolution
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he has to basically go to the congress i need to put his name on a bill or not
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if he doesn't as you suggest then chaos breaks out i mean it's just all over the
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place and he can't even govern because every single day there's going to be more
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litigation is going to be this that he's overstepped his authority we want
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whole government would be paralyzed what's happening in in great britain with
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the brexit thing so here's the here's my feeling um is uh he is going to
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announce a continuing resolution and he's going to sign this bill
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the bill will be implemented because everyone will be looking at the
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massive fight that's coming over the um the state of emergency and they're
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going to hold that wall up every step of the way uh through courts it will go to
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the supreme court marco rubio just said he's not sure he could support that i
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we're going to be talking about meanwhile more ice agents will be employed
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because they can employ another 100 and 1200 but none of them can actually work on
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detaining people according to this bill they have to be hired to help relocate
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people from the border into the center of the country wherever it is they want to go
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and just catch and release but now now we're a travel agency now ice is a travel agency
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yeah where do you want to go we'll drive you we'll try i mean it's and that's and so so so my my
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thought is is that you're taking it way too literally i don't think any of this stuff's going
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to happen i don't think any ice agents are going to help anybody relocate into the united states
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they're basically going to try to wall it up in the sense that not going to let anybody in just
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like they did with the caravan all right so the caravan shows up in tijuana now they're in texas
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and there's thousands of people living in tents well they're not getting in here all right they're
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not getting in here for asylum they're not getting in here anyway because they walled it up they
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basically said we're not taking you you're not coming in and just for the press we'll take 25 a day
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all right and uh we'll process them that's what's going to happen here it's the same thing but i i
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think that the larger picture is that americans have a decision to make what kind of country do you
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want all right and that's what the trump people are playing they're playing look at these crazy
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democrats look what they want to do all right so you can't give them power and that's what they're
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gambling on in the white house no that message will get through and i and i think that i'm hopeful
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that that message is going to get through because we are at the we are at the end of the republic
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okay bill one quick question for you because you are the author of 975 number one new york times
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bestsellers thank you and you have another one that is sure to be number one coming up about the
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president yeah you know him better than anybody every time you you've talked to him all the time you
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always add really interesting perspective about how the way he thinks you know at least that's what
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i think i don't know what anyone else thinks um but when it comes to this we know the fight it's going
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to be a crazy fight why didn't he stand like this when republicans had control for two years
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because they couldn't get a full caucus in the house because of the freedom people
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to support what he wanted to do so the freedom uh what is it the freedom caucus freedom caucus okay
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so they basically said look we're we're hard guys and you're blaming this on what we want
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and and ryan the speaker couldn't coalesce they couldn't get it and then in the senate mcconnell
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kept saying to him look i'm not going to get 60 so uh no matter what i do whatever proposal i put out
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um we're not going to get 60 we're not going to be able to vote so he's stymied in both houses
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okay so so so let me that's more it's more likely now right like now the democrats have control at
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least then the republicans now what he's going to do is not even listen to them so i i can't impress
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upon you enough that a state of emergency gives a president tremendous latitude do exactly what
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he wants to do oh i i i'm i am very well aware of that it's concerning though isn't it but when you
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say okay the democrats are dancing around saying okay now when we get power we're going to do the
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gun thing but they're going to run up against constitutional issues on that one they will that
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will be difficult but global warming global warming they won't because i wrote a really brilliant
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column that i hope somebody read to to i did not and i didn't ask anybody to read it what is this
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what is this green new deal all about really it's about totalitarianism yes um in every single
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country that has gone from uh a ruler to a dictator the dictator phonied up some panicked thing
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that threw the population into this uh frenzy that will give away our rights and you can make it
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better mussolini every single one throughout history there's never been an exception where people
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voluntarily said oh we'd like a dictator come on in here franco and tell us what to do this global
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warming stuff this is where we're all going to die we're all going to die so we have to do green new
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deal where we the democrats in washington and tell you what to eat all right we're going to tell
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you what to drive what what medical uh procedures you can and cannot have we're going to take your
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stuff after you die we're going to take everything you have okay this is totalitarianism
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this isn't democracy so they wanted to they want to control the lives of americans on every single
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front and they're using climate change to frighten people in berkeley california who can barely find
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their way to the facilities all right they're that dense into supporting totalitarianism and one party
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rule which is exactly what they have in california one party rule and that's what's happening and it's
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frightening because it could succeed with the decline of our educational system and by the way the green
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new deal will tell the teacher what the teacher can teach and not teach it it extends into every single
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thing america has and that's why i've sold 987 000 books a million books because i figured this stuff out
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first all right well only because you were listening to this program about four days ago when we said the
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same thing look here's the thing bill here's here's the thing you're absolutely correct on that um there is
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a growing uh fascistic uh uh or or communistic whatever totalitarian uh view however it shapes up
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there is a totalitarian view and the one thing you left out is the economy if the economy brexit goes
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horribly which i think i'm hoping is kind of like the hype on you know y2k but if it goes horribly and
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europe goes into the abyss so do we and everyone will be clamoring for a bigger government uh and then
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we we we see it we see it go away um no i disagree with that analysis okay good well hang on hang on
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we got to come we're going to come back um with more from bill o'reilly here in a second i do want
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to tell uh stations that we're waiting for the president to give this speech uh to declare a
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national emergency if he comes out during the break go ahead and take that and we will join it already
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in progress on the other side with bill o'reilly but we will be taking it live
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hi it's glenn if you're a subscriber to the podcast can you do us a favor and rate us
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on itunes thanks president trump uh is uh talking in the rose garden uh go ahead and bring this up he
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hasn't said anything of substance yet except he has to build a wall um and hasn't gotten any of the
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specifics yet let's go ahead and bring him up the new highs that we created we uh we have all the
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records we have every record but we're getting close to that point again where we'll create new records so
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our country is doing very well economically and uh we've done a lot but one of the things i said i
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have to do and i want to do is border security because we have tremendous amounts of drugs
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flowing into our country much of it coming from the southern border when you look and when you listen to
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politicians in particular certain democrats they say it all comes through the port of entry it's wrong
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it's wrong it's just a lie it's all a lie they say walls don't work walls work 100 percent
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whether it's el paso i i really was smiling because the other night i was in el paso we had a tremendous
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crowd and a tremendous crowd and i asked the people many of whom were from el paso but they came from all
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over texas and i asked them i said let me ask you the as a crowd when the wall went up was it better
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you you were there some of you it was not only better it was like 100 percent better you know what
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they did i think far more than anybody registered all right uh this is the president of the united
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states he has stated here that he is going to declare a national emergency
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john ziegler one of our uh one of our favorites uh one of my one of my favorite uh uh hosts uh because
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he tells it like he sees it and uh to hell with the consequences uh and he is a guy who has been
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out on the edge of stories like what's happening in chicago before uh and i think he's right and this
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one uh this story in chicago had no one willing to do the work uh at least in the national media and he has
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been it looks like as of last night uh it looks like he's right about this john welcome to the
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program how are you all right always good to talk to you glenn yeah so so john tell everybody the story
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if anybody has been hasn't been following it well uh a couple weeks ago uh empire actor jesse
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smollett uh claimed that he was the victim of a heinous uh hate crime at 2 a.m in chicago uh where the
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the the show is filmed uh that was directed at him because of his race uh his celebrity and his
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homosexuality and that this occurred in the middle of a polar vortex which is totally normal uh for uh
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two people who apparently were donald trump supporters who yelled at him this is maga country
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because again that's totally normal because everyone knows how well trump did in chicago
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and uh um and and how how big how big a maga country chicago really is um and and this uh story
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also came to the police in a rather odd way there was a delay in calling 9-1-1 there were uh details
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added after the original version of the story like the like the maga part right that wasn't initially
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reported right which is important as i think we'll get into later on is to interpreting what really did
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happen here because there's really two stories whether what he said is true and if it's not true
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what really happened and to me glenn debunking these super pc stories as you've already suggested
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i've done numerous times before is really a pretty simple mathematical equation i mean i mean it's really
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it's totally math what i do is i take the plausibility of the story on its face which in this case is
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probably about a 10 on a 100 scale you add to that the amount of evidence corroborating it in
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comparison to what the evidence should exist which was in this case i don't know maybe 20 out of 10
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and then you divide it by how hesitant the media and the authorities are due to political correctness
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to debunk the story and in this case that's a hundred because this guy has a political correction
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force field it's impenetrable okay so so hang on i just want to make sure that i understand uh because
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what the what the claim is is that he was targeted right right okay so so he goes out of his apartment
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at two o'clock in the morning and i don't think he set out a press release that he was going to walk
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to go to subway so we have to first believe that two people in what 10 below zero temperatures something
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something along those lines 10 below zero temperatures we're waiting for him to cross
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their path on the way to getting this subway sandwich at two o'clock in the morning with bleach
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and a rope right because he he got the rope hung around his neck which but bizarrely he kept around
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his neck for like 45 minutes afterwards by the way this rope from what i understand is is barely a
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a rope but i'm not sure sure it would be correct to call it a rope but but you're exactly right i
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mean this and of course to me it's it's obviously it's 2 a.m it's it's dark he's not a real celebrity
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uh if i would not have recognized him and by the way how many mad trump supporters are big empire fans
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i mean the whole thing is absurd on its face and and there's no evidence to back it up and the first
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time that i well the i wasn't the first time but the first time i thought this thing might fall apart
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was when the police who do not have any incentive to debunk this because you know of the political
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correctness oh my gosh especially in chicago when they started to leak things like for instance we've
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gone through hundreds of hours of of uh surveillance tape which all of this area is has video cameras
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everywhere and they couldn't find anything to support the story and i'm like wait a minute hold on
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there's no way that the police would be even leaking that on background unless there was some real
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strong suspicions about what happened and then i and i have to say even though i believe i'm right in
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the big picture here i was wrong in in interpreting one piece of of evidence that i think the uh the
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police may have snookered smallette on at least that's my current interpretation and that is they
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released a few days after this the a photograph of two quote unquote persons of interest and when they
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this got a lot of hype because oh they found the persons of interest this story is real and of
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course then they released this photo and it's basically two blobs who are are not even close
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to where this thing happened and supposedly they were walking away from it before it even occurred and i
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and i thought that was laughable i thought there's no way these two people have anything to do with
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this well i i now believe from my media sources and it's important to point out the part of the
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reason i got involved in this glenn is because the media in chicago but doesn't believe the story
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the police don't believe the story but there's censorship going on because no one wants to be the
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first to debunk it because they will be vulnerable to attack sure and so they've been basically saying
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to me hey zig uh you know here's what's really going on and what i now believe it happened is that through
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using incredible modern technology the authorities have known who these two guys were from very early
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on in the investigation and not telling us that and it was only after small that one on good good
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good morning america and actually i deed those two people laughably as yep i know they're the ones that
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did this well we find out lo and behold guess what the authorities know who they are they're questioning
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in them and they have been extras on the tv show empire bum bum bum and uh and now we know that the
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smollett story we don't know what for sure i have a couple theories that are being in the what the
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police i think are debating about two different theories about what happened here but we now know
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that smollett knew his attackers and that destroys the whole story there's no way this was a trump
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related hate crime and then you go from there is it possible john that they that a did these people
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who worked on the set of empire have a beef with him and and and want to take him on or is it possible
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that maybe the attackers wanted to make this happen to make you know trump supporters look bad and and and
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jesse is not actually involved in this well that's the in my opinion in the opinion of my sources though
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that is the the debate that's going on in the police department right now and that's why last night
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the police department put out a statement that of course the media latched on to is oh see this
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isn't necessarily a hoax no no no read that statement carefully and read don't read it like a
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kindergartner read it like really like somebody who's lived life and uh and and the reality is
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they didn't deny that uh that there's a major problem with smollett's story here's what it breaks
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down to was the story a premeditated hoax or was it a domestic dispute gone bad that got
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post med uh meditated into a hate crime the eyeball abc the local abc reporter who's been on this from
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the beginning has done great work he reported that broke the story open last night that that it was a
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premeditated hoax and that's what police were believing i have never believed that because
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there's certain details in this that don't make sense if this was premeditated hoax it was incredibly
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poorly done like who decided to do this at 2 a.m in the middle of a polar vortex there's a lot of
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different ways you could do this plus the details they not not putting forward the maga detail right
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off the bat to me eliminates the idea this was a premeditated hoax to try to create a hate crime
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because why would you withhold that from police so i believe i personally believe in the domestic
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dispute gone bad uh post meditated let's create a hate crime and that may have been planted in
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small ed's head because there was this threatening letter that was sent to the show about a week
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beforehand and it got it spun out of control that's so when you say a domestic dispute are you saying
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that this is these are two lovers of his or one lover who got somebody else there is a segment of
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the police who have been telling their media sources from the beginning that they believe that that one
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of the two guys that are in that photograph and being spoken to by police right now was in a relationship
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with smollett that smollett cheated on him and that this was a revenge attack on him uh for what i'm
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referring to as politely as possible as a domestic dispute uh and and then that that smollett in a
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panic uh started to go down a a different path it spun out of control he added the trump thing because
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he's a very anti-trump person and he knew the media would lap that up and of course they did and now it's
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much bigger than he ever expected now he's trapped and now the story is falling apart because it turns
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out he knows his attackers and here's here's the key part this is part of why the police are confused
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i am told that those two guys are changing their story that their story is evolving and that that's
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why there is a conflict within the police department of chicago as to whether this was premeditated hoax
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or post-meditated panic hate crime and so that's why i think we're seeing a hesitation right now
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as to where the police are going on this but the bottom line is the story is not true he was not
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attacked by by donald trump supporters in a hate crime that did not happen do we know the race of
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these two guys they're jamaicans which you know you know of course trump is very big in jamaica and
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i'm sure i'm sure that i mean and of course you would never recognize a jamaican accent either at
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2 a.m in chicago no not if they're talking to you it's it's it's like a chicagoan accent
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right exactly so i mean the whole the whole story makes perfect sense right i mean and i think the
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most important part of this whole thing folks is that this is a perfect example of how the the
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news media the minute entertainment industry uh and sometimes even the authorities have become so
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politically correct they're so willing to buy into these bs stories whether it's brett cabanaugh
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or jim jordan or you know you remember the the story that we talked about a couple years ago with
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the santa who faked the boy's death the air force academy had one of these stories last year that i
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called him on turned out to be a fake hate crime and you and i've talked many times about the penn
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state joe paterno jerry sandusky case the more politically correct the story is the more likely
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it is not to be true because there's no incentive for anyone to debunk it because the media is not
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about the truth it's about protecting the gig all right that's the most important thing the truth
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gets lost in all this because popularity is the coin of the realm and no one wants to do anything
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that's unpopular because you might get fired especially in a case like this so john tell me
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what you think is going to happen we are you are you claiming that this story is absolutely not true
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and the police are going to come out with it's not true this was not a hate crime this is one of these
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two things i think they had to pick a lane and i also think there's going to be a lot of pushback
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politically and so i still think this may end up going down the memory hole now the people close to
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this day no and interestingly they say ron emmanuel the mayor of chicago is going to be the one who
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forces this thing to get solved because he apparently i'm told secondhand but reliably he is pissed and
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that uh and i think that they were they were willing to let this go down the memory hole until
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he went on good morning america and then they decided all right uh let's unleash the dogs and i think
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that the i so in the real world this story is going down uh whether or not anything happens to him
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you know i am a cynic so i will reserve judgment on that when do you expect to hear more well i mean
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they have 48 hours from last night to charge the two guys that they're they're currently questioning so i
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think we'll know a lot more uh within that 48 hour time which is about another 36 hours so can we get
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you back on the air on monday i'd love to hear an update let's do it okay john ziegler thank you so
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much zigmund freud z-i-g man freud uh is where you can uh follow him also he writes for mediaite
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john ziegler thank you so much the blaze radio network