Ep 33 ｜ Phil Robertson ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast
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Summary
By his own omission, my guest today is one of the most unlikely people on the planet to end up with the kind of fame and platform he now has. If you met him 45 years ago, this self-described river rat from Louisiana would be almost unrecognizable. He was hard drinking, hard partying, self-destructive. A radical conversion experience altered the current of his life and sent him down a more virtuous, though not really less adventurous path.
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You might have heard the controversy about the movie Unplanned. The MPAA in Hollywood gave it
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a rating of R, which was just an attempt to get Christians not to go. And so you feel intimidated
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so you don't take your teenagers. It is so far away from an R rating, but it's not working.
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It's actually working in the opposite direction with Unplanned, the movie that you have to see.
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People have been seeing it all across the country at record pace. This is blowing the doors off
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any expectation of this story. This is a true story about Abby Johnson, a woman who had two
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abortions, became the employee of the year for Planned Parenthood. A year later, she was out
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and one of their most powerful enemies. This story changed her life forever. This story
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will change your life. Go see it. Go to unplannedfilm.com, unplannedfilm.com.
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By his own omission, my guest today is one of the most unlikely people on the planet to end up
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with the kind of fame and platform he now has. If you met him 45 years ago, this self-described
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river rat from Louisiana would have been almost unrecognizable. He was hard drinking. He was hard
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partying, self-destructive. He was a mess of a man. A radical conversion experience altered the current
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of his life and sent him down a more virtuous, though not really less adventurous path. He started
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his business of duck calls in a living room. Slowly over the next 30 years, that family business grew
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into the most successful hunting brand in the world. He's now a New York Times bestselling author,
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host of his own Blaze TV series, and he's still more comfortable, I think, roaming the woods in
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Louisiana. He was in our studio that everybody always raves about, how beautiful, how comfortable
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it is. And he said, how can you work here? I don't, it's like the walls are closing in. I invited him
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in to our 19,000 square foot studio where the walls were closing in. You might think you know him from his
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role in his TV series, but that was him, but still a Hollywood version, if you will. They were
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commercials. Try this one, an hour and a half, the heart and soul of the original Duck Commander.
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First of all, I just want to thank you for, you know, trimming the beard and cleaning up and
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running a comb through your hair for this. I wore my finest clothes that I own. You know, Glenn,
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I never got around to purchasing a suit. Never, you've never had a suit on? Never owned one. And
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someone said, well, well, why? And I thought, you know, I didn't, I didn't buy a watch either. I've
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never purchased a watch, like a timepiece. You don't have a, we don't have a watch. Or a ring, no?
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Really? And someone says, so, but so how do you tell time? I'm like, I use phrases like right now,
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I would say just after dinner. Right. You and I are talking. Right. Then there'll be about sundown.
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Sunset. Right. Then it'll be nighttime. Right. On up in the evening. Then it'll be the dead of night.
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Then there'll be just before daylight, sun up, mid-morning. We say dinner in the south. That means
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dinner time around 12 o'clock. Early evening. Then we're back where we started. It makes
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life a little easier because it's not. Yeah. Five after three. That's right. So that's
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just a, so I never saw any need for a suit. I said, well, if I have a need one, I'll get
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one. Yeah. Right. So far I'm 72. You're pretty good. Haven't needed one yet. Yeah. So I'll just
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be real honest with you. I am. I'm a Yankee. I grew up in Seattle. I don't know if that's
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considered real Yankee territory. But I remember the first time I drove through the deep south,
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uh, I had Maryland plates on my car and I understood what a Yankee was quickly. This was
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back in the eighties. Um, and quite honestly, when I think of people from Louisiana, I think of people
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like you eating people like me. Have you ever eaten a Yankee? Uh, no, no. Uh, in the redneck
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world, uh, they, they come up with some pretty good, pretty good schemes, but overall I would
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say they're no more sinful than the rest of humanity. But, uh, but they are some doozies down
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in there. Yeah. You know, you, you led, um, knowing I'm going to talk to you. I know we're
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going to talk about God, but, and, and, and I think there's only one other person that I've
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ever interviewed that I, it's like that. And that's a Billy Graham or anyone in the Graham
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family. I know he's going to, he's going to talk about God. Um, you are the least likely
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knowing your history to talk about God. Yeah. Well, if someone had told me now, my sister
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told the guy I owned a beer joint at the time, leasing a beer joint in South Arkansas, you
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had blacks in the back, whites in the front, the rednecks, and I was in the middle with a
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pistol controlling the beer joint. So you had the jive going on in the back and in
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the front. My sister told the preacher said, we have to go see my brother. And he
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said, well, where is he? I said, well, he's up, he owns a beer joint up in South
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Arkansas. The preacher was like, yeah. So she said, if you convert him, he'll bring
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thousands to the Lord. I didn't know that she told him that, but she just told him.
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And the preacher says, really? Is that what you think? And she said, I know it to be
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true. If you convert him, he'll bring thousands. So he comes up, I'm about half
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drunk. I run him off and his parting words after the first meeting was, I don't think
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he's ready yet to, to hear what I have to say. A year goes by. That's when I ran my
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woman off and the kids and everybody else. And Ms. Kay says, why don't you sit down with
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that guy that came to see you at the beer joint? He was brave enough to do that. So
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I sat down with him. He ported me to Jesus for the first time in my life. I investigated
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Jesus, the son of God. I literally investigated him. And the more I investigated him, I didn't
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even know what the gospel was. Jesus coming down in flesh, dying for my sins, being buried
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and raised from the dead, stay in 40 days to convince him he was alive. Then to return
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where he's there 24 seven interceding for us. The grace of God. So I never dreamed that life
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peace of mind on the earth and immortality was even on the table. It just never occurred
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to me till I was 28. I said, good night. We're discussing immortality here. I said, that's
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big for the first time. So when I went in, I literally went all in. I said, I have been
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running with the devil and I'm 28 years old. I'm looking at my track record and it is pathetic.
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So I thought, how about let's just go wide open for God here. So that basically was the
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motivation for me to turn a hard right and go the opposite direction I'd been going in.
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But if you'd have told me I would, that would happen to me and I would be out hollering about
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Jesus for 40, the last 44 years, I would have said, are you crazy? My sister was correct.
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I have brought thousands to the Lord. She knew, I didn't even know she knew that. So I guess
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So let's, let's go back because I've, um, alcoholic, recovering, alcoholic or not?
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Hard to say about things like alcoholic. Uh, the Bible just says drunkard.
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alcoholic is a disease. Drunkard is sin. You get my point?
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Yeah. I just stick with what is sin. Yeah. The list are there. You read the list. They're not
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going to change. Right. The sins have never changed from cover to cover. Same sins. The
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savior shows up, same savior. It's, it's, it's just like this. Right. Over and over and over the
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empires come and go. Right. It's amazing. And we'll get into this later, but it's amazing to
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me. I've always read the Bible and went, how are these people so stupid? Then they see 20 pages
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before this, this is what's happening. Now they're just repeating it and we're doing it right now. We
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are those stupid people. Look in defense of God, simple things. I'm a C plus man. I do have a master's
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degree. I'm no Dumbo. I mean, I sat through and I listened to the, my professors, by the way,
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not one kind word about God, my entire college career, not one kind word about God, never even
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mentioned, but in defense of there is no God, God is dead. You and I seated right here, right
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now. You and I are traveling on planet earth and planet earth is going at 66,700 miles per
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hour. Beck, I don't even have a sensation of moving. All the cosmologists and scientists
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agree as it's making its trip around the sun at 66,700 miles an hour, it will travel with
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us on it. We're taking a trip. We're going to travel in one year. If you had a starting
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point, when you get back around to your starting point, you will have traveled 584 million miles.
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It's spinning like a top at 1,000 miles an hour as it's going 66,000 miles an hour. It's going,
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you see the sun half the time and it gets dark half the time. Every 24 hours, it makes a complete
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revolution. Now I'm just a C plus man. It's angled back at 23 and a half degrees. Therefore you see
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four seasons on your trip, spring, summer, fall, winter without that angle. Nope. So I'm like,
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I said, the mind that just did that, that just put that together. Here's Mercury and Venus on our left.
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Mercury is closer than us to the sun. So much so that it's 850 degrees there today. You're like,
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that knocks out life there. Well, there's Venus sitting right beside us on our left. It's about
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800 and something degrees. No life there. There's us just right. I mean, you better not be any closer.
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You better not be any further. You said life won't be any life. That 23 and a half degrees got to be
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that way. Got to have the right size moon there. Gravity. You're like, so I'm not a rocket scientist,
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but there's Mars over there. Oh, a little too far away. Mars would be 200 below at night. It's about 70 in the
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daytime. You say you could be some kind of thing and might camp out there and it, but there's no life
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on our left, on our right or anywhere else that we found for that to come out of some kind of boom.
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Beck, give me a break. That took a mind to put that into play. Just think about it.
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So I will tell you this. Um, I do not believe that you throw, uh, words up into the air, uh,
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no matter how many millions and millions of billions eternity monkeys don't throw words up
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in the air and have Shakespeare come out. So I agree with you on that. However, I don't know how God
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creates. I'm willing to say I don't either. Yeah. The big bang, the evolution. I don't care. It
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doesn't mean anything to my soul to know that answer. I'd like to know that answer. Someday I
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will know that answer, but for us to fight about, uh, uh, creation to me is ridiculous because they'll
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take you to the big bang. My father used to say, you can't talk about God, uh, unless you agree on
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what God means. And God is so defined so many different ways. He said, if you really want to
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talk about the essence of God, you have to call and be on the same page. You have to say, let's talk
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first cause because that'll take you back past the big boom. What is first cause? What is the thing
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that pushed? That's right. And no one knows that. No one knows that in him Colossians two there,
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in him, all things hold together created through him. The cosmos was created both everything in
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heaven and on earth talking about Jesus, God in flesh, visible, it says, and invisible. You're like,
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now, wait a minute. That was written 2000 years ago, about 50, 60 AD. How in the world would the
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apostle Paul known anything about invisible things being created invisible? They didn't
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have microscopes. They didn't have spatial. They didn't have, you're like, how would he
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know? It helped me. This is what I think. I don't know this, but I bet I'm right. If you
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are a being who consists of, and you are in every atom, you're in every atom, if you were that kind of
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being invisible, and you are in, and you controlled completely the arrangement of atoms and molecules,
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heck, if you had that kind of power, we'll say omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent. You say,
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omnipresent, you'd have to be in all the atoms, in all material, in paper, in wood, in plastic, in you.
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You're like, if you were that kind of being, just think about it. It's done. Seconds, milliseconds.
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You want coal deposits, oil deposits, diamonds, gold, done. That's why when you read the creation
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story, you say, how in the world there was evening and there was morning the first day. How in the
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world could you even claim some kind of being was doing that? You would have to have complete and
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utter control over the atomic structure of all matter. When you spoke, you spoke. It's there.
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You say, and that's the one. Think about it. How would even God know all the sins of the entire
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world unless he was in the atoms that make up human beings? Every part of them. You're like,
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he knows the sins of the Chinese. You say, how could you know that? That many human beings?
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You're like, good night, dear. You're in the atomic structure of everything. Resurrection,
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life, nothing to it. Nothing to it. Nothing to it. To him, nothing to it. When you read about these
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great promises, all your sins are forgiven. I'm sending my son down to remove your sin. I'll
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view you as perfect from now on because your trust is in my son. I guarantee you it's impossible for me
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to lie. And I'm telling you humans, I can't lie. So I'm going to swear by myself that I'm going to
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deliver you from sin and death. I'm going to give you immortality. You have hope. He said,
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make that an anchor for your soul. Let that be your anchor. I will do it. I'm looking at it back.
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Is there a chance that we could participate in this without God? If there is no God, we have a six
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foot hole coming up and that's the end of it. I just can't go through life without a smidgen.
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Somebody, I'll take my chances without Jesus. I said, dude, you don't have a chance without him.
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Do you have a better story? They're like, uh, life and immortality. You got a better story based on
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one person who ever lived on earth. You're counting time by him. It's 2019 years since
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Jesus showed up. But what in the world do you call all the years before Jesus showed up?
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You call those all the years before Jesus showed up. You're like one person out of all the people that
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ever walked on planet earth and where our calendar is based on just one of them.
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All I can say is he had to do something big back. It had to have been big. They're never going to
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count time by me. Are you? You said, no, they're not going to count time by us. I'm like, I've never
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heard of anybody like Jesus Christ, but I didn't investigate him until I was 28. 28. I said, whoa,
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yeah, wait a minute here. Whoa. Now I didn't know immortality was riding on this, you know,
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high in the sky. We therefore I'm so convinced of it. Now I'm 72 old age is creeping in, but because
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of what's been done for me, God through Jesus, by the power of the spirit, you say, you don't worry
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about physical death. God, he too shared in their humanity. Jesus, he too shared in their humanity
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so that by his death, he might destroy him who holds the power of death. That is the devil. And
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free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. Man, when he took away
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physical death and it's a snap, our bodies fall asleep, our souls and spirits are alive.
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We're alive without our body. It's not a bad position to be in the time. Here comes Jesus.
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We believe that God will bring with Jesus. First Thessalonians 4, 13, those who have fallen asleep
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in him. You say, he's coming back. What's he coming after? Why return? The bodies.
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We reunited with our bodies, this time a glorified one. We will have a new heavens and a new earth
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and we will live forever. Immortality. Until somebody tops that story back, I'm going with it.
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No. I mean, there's been some great stories, but this one is not just a great story. This one has
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such wisdom behind it and such truth. When you read it, when you actually read it, not when you just
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listen to the quotes, but when you actually read it, to me, the word of God takes on a different
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meaning. It's not, it's like, I give you my word. It's not the word of God as in, oh, here's a whole
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bunch of stuff he said. It's his word. I give you my word. This is true.
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And that right there answers the question that I've talked to many. And they'll say,
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but Phil, if God would just speak to me, if he would just say something to me, then I would know.
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I said, what do you want him to do? Write you a letter? I said, look, he wrote you 66 letters here.
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I said, these, this is, this is a book of texts. I said, the only thing I've seen that remotely
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resembles anything decent coming out of a cell phone or computer, I said, are the texts. I said,
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they even use biblical language. I said, there's a lot of text messages in here. I said, he's given
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us life of immortality. You say, well, boy, this is really going to be hard. What am I supposed to do
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now? He says, uh, I made it. That's a text. That's your text for today. I made the whole
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thing and made you put you on it. So I want you to do two things. This is going to be really
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difficult for you. And you're going to really struggle with it. Just love me. God says, and
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love each other for the life of me, Beck, love God and love your neighbor. I don't see the downside.
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I don't either. I'm like, come on. I woke up this morning in Dallas, Texas hotel. Got up. My man
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brought me a cup of coffee. You said, Phil, let me ask you something. Have, uh, have you sinned yet
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today? Uh, no, no. You say any belligerence coming out of you today? Uh, no. Uh, any fits of rage? Uh,
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no. Any evil thoughts? Uh, not yet. You're like, uh, so
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any cursing coming out of your mouth today, Phil? No, I'm just saying, get up and do good.
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I'm like, how hard could it be? Yeah. I mean, you got life and immortality. So get up in the
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morning, just be good. Love me. God says, I love your neighbor. Just go around doing good.
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Seek glory, seek honor, seek immortality. I'll give you eternal life. Just do good
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for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil. There's going to be
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wrath and anger. There'll be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil. First for the
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Jew, then for the Gentile. The age old struggle between good and evil has all been solved when
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Jesus came down in flesh. Up until that time, it was keep a strict code or die. You're like,
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finally, there's provision for our violations, our sins, blood, mistake-free God in a mistake-free
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body. It took that kind of blood to take away our sin and the rest is history. So I feel pretty
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confident. I feel very confident that the Lord Jesus will do exactly what he said he would do,
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get us out alive. And all we have to do is be good for the life of me back. I've been trying it for
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years. I'm getting better at it because you say you're 72 now. I'm getting better at doing good
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than I was when I was 28, 30. I started out like this, zigzagging. I'm trying to get on my feet,
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trying to develop my faith. By the time you get 72, you begin to understand texts like the Hebrew
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writer. It says, it says, let's see, solid food is for the mature who by constant use,
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others that took these scriptures have trained themselves to do just one thing, distinguish
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good from evil, know the difference, shun evil, embrace good. You say, you mean to tell me it's that
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simple? It's that simple. So here we are. I feel very good about it. I'm trying to get that message
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into people's ears. Some don't understand it. The devil snatches away what I plant. Some say,
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oh my goodness, that's it. That's it. But in the time of testing, when trouble or persecution
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comes along because of the word, they quickly fall away. It's two out of two. Third one,
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it's like the seed falling among the thorns. They get tangled up in the cares of this world,
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the deceitfulness of wealth. And you say they don't mature. Now that's three out of three,
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three down. I'm like, whoa. But those with a good and honest heart,
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they receive the seed and by person fearing, produce a crop. They go out and they go out and
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they go out. So one of the chapters in the book I mentioned was that autonomous Christianity,
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meaning when you get Christianity and following Jesus down to a one day a week trip to a church
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building, that's two hours, but there's 168 hours in a week. You're like two of them, you're going to
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worship God, but the other 166 has your life. So I'm trying to get them to see and view God's mercy
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offer themselves as living sacrifices. Now, look, it's not Sunday today. You and I are carrying on
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this conversation in the early part of the week. You say it's two, three o'clock in the evening,
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whatever time it is. You're like, so what are you and Beck doing? Oh, we're worshiping God here.
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That's what we're doing. We're showing people who we are. You happen to be on, and others are
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hearing this. You say, are you aware that, that what you're saying about God and is Glenn aware
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that what he's saying about God is going out, going, well, sure. We are aware of it. Very aware.
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And look, we get a cursing. Well, what do you know? The evil one working in people. So they're
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going to curse us. Well, sure. They're going to, is trouble going to come your way because of it?
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Well, of course it is. Look how they look what they did to him. I mean, and each of his followers
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and each of his followers just brutalized to be like, well, good. So I'm not stunned when people
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hate me. Here's a news flash for our listeners here. I love them anyway. I don't hold it against
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them. I take a cursing. You say, do you get mad? No. I'm like, just think about it. And I go to the next
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one. Just think about it. That's my line. Just, you don't have to holler. Just think about it.
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I'm on down the road. So it doesn't bother me at all trying to help them for crying out loud.
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Uh, not a lot of people can do that right now. We're kind of, you know, when you say
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the two great commandments, that is the answer to everything we're looking for right now.
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That's right. Just love God and love your neighbor. Yep. That's it. We don't need any fancy.
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That's right. Tea parties, uh, Republicans, Democrats, presidents, nothing smoke coming out
00:30:18.880
of the floor. When you may have your meetings and try to outdo it, calm down. Right. I mean,
00:30:23.680
you get together kind of like a huddle. Okay. That's one day a week. But once you walk out that
00:30:28.800
door of the church building, yeah. Oh, that's where the action is. Correct. Correct. It's out there.
00:30:34.720
I, you know, I have a new understanding for, as things become more and more insane in our world. Yep.
00:30:41.920
Uh, I thought of the poster that, uh, that Churchill put out in the second world war,
00:30:48.000
keep calm and carry on right now. None of us are keeping calm. We're all freaking out. All we have
00:30:55.120
to do is keep calm and then do the things that you know are right. Just pay no attention to that.
00:31:02.960
Just keep calm and carry on. You're quoting some great scriptures. Look, I urge you brothers in
00:31:10.320
view of God's mercy, offer your body as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, offer your body.
00:31:16.000
That's 24 seven, which is your spiritual worship. Don't conform any longer to the pattern of the
00:31:22.080
world. You just mentioned the pattern of the world back. It's insane. If someone had told me that we
00:31:28.160
would end up by 2020 with the mischief and the sinful, the murder, the own children, they shoot up
00:31:43.120
churches, concerts, you're like, what? Jesus said, the devil is the father of lies. Just look at the news
00:31:54.080
media and what they keep coming out of their mouth. And you're like, and the scary party is, I think they
00:32:04.960
believe the lie. You too. And it's not just, it's just the news media. It's the Jesus said,
00:32:10.720
the devil is behind the whole thing. Yeah. It's advertising. Think of the lies of to sell somebody
00:32:17.120
a product. I have to tell you, you're not complete without this. That's the biggest lie there is.
00:32:23.760
I know it. That's why I haven't gotten into the cell phone and computer business. I'm on the,
00:32:29.760
I'm on the computer, but I never look. There's different gifts. Here's worship. Love must be
00:32:35.920
sincere. 24 seven. Hey, what is evil? Cling to what's good all the time. 24 seven. Be devoted to
00:32:44.800
one another and brotherly love all the time. Honor one another above yourselves all the time. Don't be
00:32:53.840
lacking in zeal. Keep your spiritual fervor serving the Lord all the time. Be joyful in hope,
00:33:01.040
patient and affliction. My prostate acted up here about two or three weeks ago. You say,
00:33:05.920
did you go down, down on the ground? I asked the almighty to take it from me. It took about a week
00:33:12.400
or 10 days. I actually went to see a doctor for the first time in 50 years. You say patient and
00:33:18.720
affliction. The last time I've been in the hospital is when a tick bit me and gave me rabbit fever.
00:33:23.920
You say you haven't been back to a doctor since, but I went the other day because the old prostate
00:33:29.280
got to acting up. You like, was it rough? Was it rough? So look patient and affliction. I weathered it
00:33:36.160
faithful in prayer, share with God's people who are in need, practice hospitality, have them over for a
00:33:43.920
meal. Bless those who persecute you. That's why I told you, I don't, don't curse them. Bless them.
00:33:50.400
They're all right. Bless and don't curse. Rejoice with those who rejoice. Mourn with those who mourn.
00:33:57.200
Live in harmony with one another. Don't be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position,
00:34:04.000
the poor, the downtrodden, the rednecks, whatever. Don't be conceited. Don't repay
00:34:10.480
anyone evil for evil. This is worship. This is how we worship. Be careful to do what is right in the
00:34:17.120
eyes of everybody. You're like, be careful to do what is right. No matter who's looking,
00:34:24.160
do what is right. Be careful to do what's right. Heathen or not, do what's right before him. Let
00:34:31.040
him see that. If it's possible, which is amazing, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with
00:34:40.640
everyone. I live in a redneck neighborhood. You say, you try to live at peace with them. Yep.
00:34:49.840
They were stealing my fish, the rednecks, back when I was fishing to survive before the duck call
00:34:57.200
took off. I had a lot of nets in the river, hoop nets, catfish go in them, buffalo. Buffalo,
00:35:03.440
you get 30 cents a pound. Catfish, you get 70. I had all these nets out. I had floats on them.
00:35:10.000
You could see them. Everyone around there knew they were my nets.
00:35:15.280
I would notice that I'd hear an outboard while I trained myself to get it, go down there right
00:35:20.720
quick and looking through the bushes. And I'm looking over there. And every once in a while,
00:35:25.600
some of these guys would pull up on one of those floats and then start coming up with it. They're
00:35:31.440
going to steal my fish. What I did at first, I was young in the faith. I took a shotgun with buckshot
00:35:40.880
and I tore out there and I would threaten them, scare the daylights out of them. What are you
00:35:47.120
doing stealing from me? But they kept stealing. I'd run that bunch off. And three weeks later,
00:35:53.840
there's another bunch. I read this text that where I'm reading now, uh, don't take revenge.
00:36:02.880
My friends leave room for God's wrath. It's written. It's mine to avenge. I will repay,
00:36:08.720
says the Lord on the contrary. If your enemy's hungry, feed him. If he's thirsty, give him something
00:36:14.080
to drink. I said, young in the faith. I said, that won't work. These rednecks, if I'm good to them,
00:36:27.760
if I give them what they're trying to steal, you're telling me, Lord, they'll quit stealing.
00:36:33.680
I said, that won't work. But it occurred to me back. I said, how would I know? I've never tried it.
00:36:40.320
I'm just trying to spook them. And these are dangerous people anyway. Of course, you're in
00:36:46.960
the South. You eat Yankees. Yeah. So I said, well, I'm going to try that, Lord. I'm going to test you
00:36:57.520
right here on this. So the next bunch I catch, I tear out there with my motor. I have my gun just in
00:37:05.280
case my faith gets a little weak, but it's not in my hands. It's in the bottom of the boat.
00:37:11.600
I pull out there. These guys look around and they're dropping my net in the river, acting like
00:37:17.120
they were fishing. I said, guys, looks like you've had trouble catching some fish and decided to get
00:37:24.960
mine in my nets. I said, good times have come your way. I'm going to give you the fish.
00:37:33.440
And they're looking at me and the look on their faces. They looked at each other. I said, I'm going
00:37:39.040
to give you what you, I want you to have a fish fry. How many are coming? They said, well, let's see,
00:37:47.360
there was my cousin. And I said, you know, you start frying fish. People are coming out of the
00:37:51.520
woodwork. Ken folks, you haven't seen in years. I said, listen, I'm going to keep your boat right
00:37:57.200
there. I said, calm down now. I'm not going to hurt you. I said, I'm going to give you what you
00:38:02.560
would try. Let's see what you've fixed to catch. Well, I pulled the net up at a lot of fish in it.
00:38:07.600
I put them in my boat. I put the net back out. I said, bring your boat over here.
00:38:12.400
They said, no, so we're just going down. I said, come on over here. They were scared of me, but
00:38:18.320
they were thinking, wait a minute, we're stealing from him. He's given us what we were trying to
00:38:22.560
steal. He's crazy. So look, they get their boat over and I start throwing fish over in their boat.
00:38:29.360
I said, when you think you have enough for the fish fry, you can say, say so. And they told me
00:38:35.360
one time, well, I, you know, I think that'd be enough. I said, no, let me give you a few more.
00:38:40.160
So I threw them some more. I said, now you have what you wanted to steal. I'm giving you what you
00:38:45.600
were trying to steal. I said, I do this for a living. This is how I make money. I said, I would
00:38:53.200
appreciate it if you didn't steal from me. I said, now, listen, I live still on a hill that house on
00:38:58.400
that hill. Yeah. I said, the next time you want to fish fry, if you can't catch any fish,
00:39:03.120
just come see me and I'll give them to you. All the way up and down the river for years after
00:39:10.560
that, they all quit stealing from me. What I didn't know was young in the faith,
00:39:19.920
I appealed to their conscience if they had one. And I wanted them to say,
00:39:25.920
good night. The guy will give them to us. I mean, the old guy gave us the fish we was trying to
00:39:30.720
steal. Can you believe that? Well, once that goes around in the redneck circles,
00:39:34.880
they say, we shouldn't fool with that old dude. That's a good old dude.
00:39:39.600
God was right all along. I just never had, I was too weak to see it.
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So I will tell you, I find, I read the scriptures and I find answers to everything,
00:39:50.080
everything that you're doing, just like you did with the fish. I find answers everywhere in it.
00:39:54.080
And it's amazing because every time I try it, it works too.
00:40:06.800
Is there a problem with people of faith in America today because they profess they believe it,
00:40:16.720
but then they don't do it. They, you know, the, the, the answer is, these are not enemies of yours.
00:40:24.080
They're enemies of mine. I, I have the right for vengeance. You don't, you, I am commanding you to
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love them. Remember, we're not wrestling against flesh and blood. That's humans. That's not where the
00:40:38.800
battle is. Correct. But we're wrestling with the rulers of this age, the authorities, the evil,
00:40:47.280
the princes of darkness, the spiritual wickedness. Yeah. You say our battle is with the evil one.
00:40:53.600
That's why when I wrote that book, it says the theft of America's soul. I'm putting it on the evil
00:41:00.400
one. The humans are just caught up in it. Correct. But if you are, if they're delivered from Satan,
00:41:06.640
they're ready to go, but he's the problem. So where are all the Christians that don't want to,
00:41:15.440
um, that will say, I, you know what? I have plenty. Uh, let me give you my fish. Just don't steal from
00:41:23.480
me. They would say, and I mean this for everybody, but I'm hearing it from Christians. I'm, you know,
00:41:30.160
um, but I know everybody is this way. They would say that is weakness that will show weakness.
00:41:38.020
They're going to steal from you blind. If you do that, you can't do that. You got to show power
00:41:43.800
and you got to stand up. Yeah. Yeah. Let me show you another thing on where they would do the same
00:41:49.520
thing. Be angry, but sin not. Okay. So someone sins against you and you're angry.
00:42:00.820
You're good. Anger is a healthy emotion. However, vengeance is not. That's right. Be angry,
00:42:09.920
but don't sin. You're like, well, how could I be angry? Not sin. Well, if you lash back out verbally,
00:42:17.180
they curse you, you start cursing them and then you have a, and it escalates. So we both are cursing
00:42:23.260
each other. You know, good, you know, two neighbors, one mowing the grass, one on the other side of the
00:42:27.460
fence. And I know you're sitting there cursing each other. You're like, you can't lash back
00:42:31.240
physically. You're sinning. You have to keep your mouth shut. You don't pick up something either
00:42:36.960
and begin to beat them half to death with it or pull out your pistol and shoot them.
00:42:41.220
Be angry, but don't sin. Okay. They sin against you. You don't retaliate verbally. You don't retaliate
00:42:48.160
physically. You just walk away. However, a lot of times when you walk away, you didn't sin,
00:42:55.940
not yet, but you're bitter because they cursed you. You're like, they've still got their,
00:43:02.920
their talons on you. They're still causing you harm. They're still controlling you because you're
00:43:09.760
bitter about taking the cursing for no reason. You say, well, what's the way out of that mess?
00:43:15.740
What's the strong person to do? Just forgive them. Don't be bitter. Don't lash out verbally. Don't
00:43:25.860
lash out physically. Just forgive them and move on. You say, it looks, who's the stronger person?
00:43:33.520
The one that can't take a cursing without cursing back? That's weak. You say, pick up something because
00:43:40.020
somebody cursed and you're going to beat them half to death. You say, that's weak. You're bitter for the
00:43:44.500
next 20 years over what someone, you're like, they've controlled your life for 20 years. You're
00:43:50.640
still mad about what they did back then. You see it all the time. Or just forgive them and move on.
00:43:56.860
You say, forgive them. That's true. There's the strong person. So we just get it out of whack.
00:44:04.980
So I think, I think forgiveness is the, I think that's the first step. I think the deeper step of,
00:44:12.360
of it is profound empathy. I know I've been in situations where I've had to forgive and I could
00:44:20.080
forgive. And then I've been in situations that I've prayed a lot about that I knew I was going to
00:44:24.960
have problems with. Yep. And my whole heart saw, felt their pain. And all of a sudden, no matter what
00:44:34.680
they said to me, I could just feel how much pain they were in and it, it, it brings you to tears and
00:44:41.840
you're, and that is, that's even more when you, when you can to say, I forgive you and mean it
00:44:48.540
is hard to feel the other pain. Very difficult for human beings to get that. That's why the greatest
00:44:57.380
commands of the Bible, love God and love your neighbor. You say, in spite of the mistakes,
00:45:02.180
how many times Lord, should we forgiven seven? He said, 70 times seven, 70 times seven. They're like
00:45:11.220
70 times seven. If Glenn Beck and Phil Robertson added up every violation where they broke God's,
00:45:21.680
one of his laws, if we added them all up, you say there would be probably thousands. That's
00:45:31.180
why Jesus said, you'd be forgiven to them 70 times seven. Be ready to forgive. Look how many sins I've
00:45:39.600
forgiven of you. So if you look at it like that, you say, Whoa, what's this? Leave no debt, remain
00:45:48.760
outstanding. Let no debt remain outstanding. Pay your bills, except one debt we owe back the continuing
00:45:57.920
debt to love one another. For he who loves his fellow man. Watch how this works has
00:46:06.340
fulfilled the law with all the don't do this. Don't do that. Don't lie. Don't steal. Don't
00:46:12.520
curse. Don't you're like, how do you, how do you fulfill that? Love your neighbor. Watch the
00:46:19.260
commandments. Do not commit adultery. Do not murder. Do not steal. Do not covet. And whatever other
00:46:27.000
commandment there may be are summed up in this one rule, love your neighbor as yourself. Love
00:46:34.480
does no harm to its neighbor. You're like, I don't get up in the morning and say, I got
00:46:44.400
to make sure that I don't steal somebody's money out of their billfold. I got to make sure
00:46:49.880
that, you know, that, that I don't have any evil thoughts and I got to make sure that I'm,
00:46:54.160
you know, I don't lash out at that. Just love them. Just love them. If you love them, you're
00:47:01.840
certainly not going to shoot them. If you love them, you say, you're not going to be unkind
00:47:06.620
to them. If you love them, you're not going to mess with their woman. You love them too much.
00:47:12.040
She's, she's your sister. She's a fellow human being. You say, love would take care of every
00:47:19.300
bit of that. But boy, is that a hard lesson. It's a hard one. You have to believe in, you
00:47:25.360
have to believe in miracles. Yeah. Now we live in a culture now. It seems like they're mad
00:47:36.080
and I haven't even spoken yet. I haven't even voiced an opinion yet, but they seem angry.
00:47:45.560
They seem mad. And I'm like, I'm listening to them and they're, they're constantly ranting
00:47:53.080
and, and, and, and, and you're looking at them and you're like, so I've come to a conclusion
00:48:02.520
that if you ever get in the state of mind, Romans 128 says, because they did not think
00:48:10.420
it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God. They're not getting any knowledge of God in
00:48:18.920
the school system. They're certainly not getting any knowledge of God in the news media for the
00:48:23.840
most part. You're like, they're certainly not getting it out of government. Every once in a
00:48:28.800
while at lip service, you know, you know, God help us. But you say, it's not coming out
00:48:34.720
of Hollywood. You say, well, where would they get a consciousness of God? If, if none of the
00:48:39.660
school system, if none of them are taught that you're like, my goodness, since they don't think
00:48:47.040
it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, God gives them over to a depraved mind. You're
00:48:53.700
talking to depraved people who are mad. They're mad because they have a problem. It's sin, but they
00:49:03.840
don't know what their problem is. Their problem is that they don't know what their problem is
00:49:09.620
and it's coming out of them. And they're mad at you and you haven't even done anything yet. You're
00:49:16.440
like, get up in the morning mad, go to bed at night. Job well done. And if you take half the human race
00:49:24.640
in America, half the country, and they get there, this is, this is, this is, this is not good. We
00:49:34.340
can't carry on a decent conversation with half the country. And we're the culprits in all this,
00:49:40.580
or so they say. And I'm thinking, look, we love y'all. Calm down. But it just keeps,
00:49:49.420
they say their internet's full of it. I've never had a cell phone. So at least I don't hear it.
00:49:54.560
They had me read yesterday, six tweets that someone had written and they took it off Twitter or whatever
00:50:02.840
it is. They had me read them. And I, it was the first time I'd ever read a tweet. Really? Except
00:50:09.180
like television, Donald Trump and he tweets. Okay. But you say, have you ever had personally read one
00:50:15.060
out of, off Twitter? Not one. And I never, they, they printed these out on little cards and they
00:50:20.800
were blaming blaze TV for putting a little slot on Twitter. And they were calling them Nazis,
00:50:27.440
blaze, the blaze TV. I was a Nazi. You were a Nazi. And what else was it? It's cursing us. And I just
00:50:34.180
thought, I said, I don't know what to say when I read this. I said, there's one reason I don't have
00:50:40.200
a cell phone. I don't listen to this. I just don't listen to it. Let me, let me go back, um,
00:50:48.220
back to my original question about 47 minutes ago, which was, uh, alcoholic and, uh, and drunkard.
00:51:03.240
One is sin. One is, uh, the escape from sin. I think that the attempt to escape from sin,
00:51:12.400
um, uh, and that comes from someplace that is troubled. You know, I know I, I had to transform.
00:51:26.540
I did it at 30. You did it at 28. I had to transform. I didn't know what I knew. I didn't
00:51:31.940
know what was true. I didn't know God. I didn't. And all of the lies of my past, all the mistakes
00:51:36.920
and everything else just built up. And I was either going to explode, you know, kill myself or,
00:51:42.400
you know, die in some drunken fury or find an answer. So I started looking for it, but there
00:51:49.060
was a lot of stuff in me and in reading your, in reading your book and reading who you were before
00:51:55.160
this, you seemed like a pretty angry guy, pretty angry guy. Why mean? Because you got texts like
00:52:09.360
1 John 5, 19. We know we are the children of God. I wasn't there yet. And the whole world
00:52:17.760
is under the control of the evil one. That's one text. Another text says, the Lord's servant
00:52:27.460
must not quarrel. He must be kind to everyone, not resentful. Those who oppose him, he must gently
00:52:34.800
instruct in the hope that God will grant them repentance, leading them to a knowledge of the
00:52:40.960
truth. And they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil who's taken
00:52:49.440
them captive to do his will. That's a couple of texts right there to show you. You say,
00:52:54.860
Ephesians 2, the evil one works in people. I've got captured by, being worked in, and being
00:53:01.740
controlled by. That's pretty well a tight grip. When I was 28 and the alcohol was flowing,
00:53:10.360
I didn't know I was under the control of the evil one. I didn't know that. It was only after
00:53:18.500
I was released from that, that I look back. And by the way, this is for your own notes.
00:53:27.040
I noticed that most people I convert, they're about 27 to 31 or 32, same age. You say a couple
00:53:37.800
of years apart. Well, I've heard so many people say that. I got to looking at it carefully.
00:53:42.100
And I said, and I wondered about that. I said, why are they always around 30?
00:53:46.620
So most people around 30, around 30, I just kept coming up with all the conversions I was
00:53:51.260
looking at. But it occurred to me, by the time you get to be 30 back, you have a track record.
00:54:03.980
And look, here's the kicker. And you look back at where you had been and who you were under the
00:54:11.200
control. I didn't know I was out from under the control of the evil one till I came under the
00:54:18.200
control of God Almighty through Jesus Christ by his spirit. I'm sealed with the spirit of God,
00:54:24.820
which was that, that right there was the kicker. Because then I could look back and I said,
00:54:30.840
you know what I thought? I said, what was I thinking? I said, what was I, I can't believe I was doing
00:54:40.620
that. Once you released, I look back once I was released, then I began to think clearly,
00:54:46.860
what was I thinking? Was I that stupid? I mean, alcohol just getting drunk three or four times a
00:54:53.900
week. I'm like, I didn't even know I was under the control of the evil one until I was delivered
00:55:01.080
from him. Then it all became very clear to me. This Jesus will work. This will work. So that's when I
00:55:09.560
got a heading. And I said, I'll tell you what, Lord, you have delivered me like I didn't think
00:55:18.780
possible. So you fast forward. Oh, 44, 45 years. You say you get it now for sure. Yeah.
00:55:28.200
The first time I met you, um, doubt you remember it was up here at the speedway and, uh, uh, we were
00:55:38.220
there and I think I was with some of my Navy SEAL friends and they were doing something and you guys
00:55:44.240
were there and I walked backstage and I'm sitting next to this just wonderful woman, just wonderful
00:55:50.320
woman. No idea who she was. I don't, I just don't watch television. I just don't watch commercial
00:55:56.080
television like that, especially back then. And, uh, and she, she's just so great and so sweet.
00:56:04.220
And about halfway through our conversation, I realized that's just miss K that I know about
00:56:10.660
that I've heard so much about. Yep. Why the hell did she stay with you?
00:56:17.900
When you were like the way you grandmother told her there'll come a time when you'll have to fight
00:56:23.800
for your marriage, you'll have to fight for it. And she said, you know, mama, what do you,
00:56:29.680
what do you, what do you, what do you said? You'll have to fight for it. Just get ready for that time.
00:56:33.620
And when it happens, you fight for your marriage, hang in there. She waited me out. Miss K when I
00:56:43.000
finally came to Jesus, she said, finally, now my boys would say things like, uh, does that mean
00:56:53.880
daddy's not with the devil anymore? That's what it means. He's done with that.
00:57:00.240
So it's y'all going to get, have a lot better daddy now. And then we all took off and we looked up one
00:57:06.300
day. I've told people this before back. Yes, I ended up rich and famous and, and yes, you can do
00:57:16.060
it without a cell phone or a computer. You can pull it off. I don't know how many have pulled it off
00:57:21.960
without any use of a cell phone or computer, but I was able to pull it off. But all the money that came
00:57:29.200
away can't remove my sin. Yeah. And no matter how famous I even think I am, you say, can it raise you
00:57:38.360
from the dead field? I'm like not even close. So I have to be careful to keep everything in perspective
00:57:46.500
here. There is a God in heaven and I am here to serve him. Thank you for blessing me. I don't care
00:57:53.840
too much about the fame. It's pretty good hassle, but Lord, I'll serve you faithfully. Just help me
00:58:00.300
serve you. How, how, how did you from the evil one? How did you, um, I think you and I are enough
00:58:08.100
alike to, to, to, uh, know that once you've, once you've done it your way and failed, uh, and you're
00:58:19.900
really, truly humble and desperate enough for the help, you really have to be pretty desperate to
00:58:25.300
say, I surrender this desperation. Yeah. And I don't know, I, I feel horrible saying this,
00:58:31.420
but I've asked friends this before. I don't know if I feel bad for people who in some ways,
00:58:39.520
in some ways, uh, who haven't really needed the atonement haven't really needed that. I'm glad
00:58:49.600
I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, but boy, there is something to be said for when you are
00:58:56.480
so desperate, it doesn't matter anymore. And you just say, I'm done. That's, that's, that puts
00:59:04.940
you in a position of, of, uh, of truly being his puppet, his, his, uh, tool that he can use. Now
00:59:16.240
he can use it any way he wants because the tool is not fighting him anymore. Yep. It's a personal
00:59:22.440
thing. It has to be a deeply personal thing between you and the almighty God in heaven. In my case,
00:59:31.820
I didn't veer to the left nor right. When I said, I am done with the past life. I'm in it. Uh, I
00:59:39.760
remember very well that it was like a giant burden being left off and lifted off me. When I came forth
00:59:46.220
from the waters of baptism, I thought, I said, starting over. Tell me, tell me the, tell me what
00:59:54.220
was going through your mind the moment before baptism and the moment after. I told the guy,
01:00:00.980
I called him up. I said, I've researched the material. I cannot get around it. I said,
01:00:07.480
uh, there's time for a change. I said, I want you to come down here and pick me up.
01:00:13.140
And I said, take me to some water. And I said, do not wreck the vehicle before we get there.
01:00:21.920
He said, I'll drive carefully. I said, drive slow. And I said, get me down there. And I'm, I'm
01:00:28.380
fixing it. I'm starting over right here. I said, I'm, it's a, it's a new deal for me. But I said,
01:00:34.080
I'm starting over here and now I never wavered off that. I did. It did take me a while to get on my
01:00:44.360
feet. I hid out for about a year, unless the telephone number, when my buddies couldn't get
01:00:49.160
touch with me, I'll put in the book, they'll wait this buddy of mine. He watched me for 12 years,
01:00:56.120
came back the first year when they finally tracked me down, wanted me to go up the road with them,
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pull some drunk with them. I said, I'm not going. And they said, why not? I said,
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the Phil Robertson you're looking for is dead. I said, he's gone. I said, this is the new one.
01:01:19.860
And he actually challenged you and said, you're never going to make it.
01:01:23.740
Yeah. They looked at each other and they were like, so this is the new one. They were like,
01:01:28.380
you got some kind of religious kick. I said, I think it's more than a religious kick. I said,
01:01:34.320
if you guys could tell me where I came from, what am I doing here? Is there a way out of here?
01:01:41.840
Speak on those matters. One of them said, if you really want to know where we came from,
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we came from fish. He was a doctor, medical doctor. And I said, we came from fish. And I said,
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and now we're frying and eating what we used to be. I said, I don't believe that. So they left
01:02:03.260
12 years goes by. The doctor diagnoses the atheist, Big Al, had an aneurysm near his heart. He said,
01:02:12.880
that thing explode. You are dead. So Big Al calls me 12 years after my conversion and said,
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I want to talk to you. I said, I'm on my way. So it's about 70 miles. I drove to his house. I told
01:02:30.040
Wes Kay. I said, I think old Big Al is fixing to turn. When he told me that the doctor told him
01:02:36.620
about the aneurysm in his heart, I said, are you doubting just a little bit that maybe,
01:02:43.500
maybe there is a God. I said, physical death is knocking on your door, Bowling. He said,
01:02:51.220
I am doubting it. I'm doubting my atheism here. So he said, tell me what changed you because you
01:02:58.380
changed. Well, I told him the good news of Jesus. I went down and baptized him. He lasted about six
01:03:06.240
weeks. Fell over dead. They asked me to do his funeral, which was something I'd never done before.
01:03:14.960
And I told the family, I said, listen, you know, I said, most of these guys that do these funerals
01:03:19.080
kind of spiffed up a little bit. I said, I don't even own a suit. I said, so I don't know. I said,
01:03:25.620
y'all might ought to get somebody else. They said, he requested you in case he died. I said,
01:03:31.960
I'll do it. So all the townspeople were there. They knew he'd been a drunken and atheist.
01:03:38.920
So I got up there and said, old Big Al here. I said, his body's in the casket, his soul and
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spirits with the Lord. I said, uh, I'll see him again. I said, he made it. I said, he cut it thin.
01:03:53.760
But he did make it. So I said, here's what I told him that y'all might not know about.
01:04:01.460
Well, I use it as a good way to preach the gospel to them. There wasn't a dry eye in the house,
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you know, and out the door I went and haven't been back to that little town.
01:04:13.800
Tell me what happened when, uh, was it discovery? No. Who was it that took the show?
01:04:39.920
Uh, A&E. When A&E first came to you, was there any, you're a guy that doesn't use a computer.
01:04:46.520
You don't use a phone. Was there any, the fastest way to, my kids would be monsters if I had exposed
01:04:53.400
them to, to television like that. The, when they gave the pitch for the show, I held up my Bible and
01:05:00.020
I said, is this included? And they said, Mr. Robinson, whatever y'all do, we're just going to film you.
01:05:07.540
I said, let me guess. Y'all had a beating up there somewhere in New York. And I said, somebody probably
01:05:13.920
said, yeah, I know this is off the wall and way out there, but why don't we, why don't we film a
01:05:22.220
functional family? Mm-hmm. On a reality show. Mm-hmm. And someone says, someone else probably
01:05:28.020
said, I was telling A&E this. I said, somebody else probably said, well, we, we might confirm a
01:05:33.460
functional family, but where would you find one? Mm-hmm. So y'all kicked it around and you ended up
01:05:38.220
down here talking to us, right? They said, that's pretty close. That's about the way it went.
01:05:43.480
So when they gave their pitch, they leave and my four sons and their wives, they all looked at me
01:05:49.700
and they said, what do you think about it, dad? What do you think? I said, well, I said, a bunch of
01:05:56.420
rednecks shooting ducks. I don't think it'll work. I don't think people will want to watch that. I said,
01:06:03.600
however, I said, boys, what if this is God wanting us to have more
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influence? Influence. I said, what if that's behind it? What if he's behind it? I said,
01:06:19.020
now, if he's behind it, I said, it'll go ballistic. Maybe he's given us the opportunity
01:06:23.600
to get the gospel preached to thousands. Beck, when we decided to do that, you say,
01:06:30.060
was the gospel preached to thousands? That's exactly what happened. Oh, yeah. I heard so many
01:06:34.780
people still coming to me. Yeah. And that was the, that was the takeaway from the show. Yeah. When,
01:06:40.840
but let me, let me ask you, where is it in my notes here? In the book, you talk about how
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this thing was not a real success at the beginning. You said in the first year generated chicken scratch,
01:06:54.560
$8,200 in sales. Yep. Didn't leave a whole lot for family five to live on, but I was faithful and
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committed to the vision. And the following year you made a whopping $13,000 in sales. Yep. Third year,
01:07:06.120
22, fourth year, 37. Yep. But by the early two thousands, duck commander had become a thriving
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business. One supported by family. In addition to the families of the few employees, you and the TV
01:07:18.240
show came. Millions, millions, millions of dollars changed hand t-shirts, caps, hat. I remember buying
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them for their children. You know, the kids, I said, where's all these duck calls going? I said,
01:07:33.040
there's not even that many duck hunters in America. And they said, they're, they're the
01:07:37.060
women, your fans are buying them for their kids. I said, I said, boy, what, what a, what's something
01:07:44.980
falling in my lap? Yeah. So, oh, it, it just went crazy. I remember stopping in a convenience store in
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the middle of the country. And I think I was living in New York at the time where there was no duck,
01:07:57.980
there was no duck dynasty at anything in New York city. And, uh, uh, I don't remember where I was,
01:08:05.140
maybe Denver. And I fly in and we're driving and I stop into a convenience store. I said, let's pull
01:08:09.920
over. I just got to get something to drink. We pull over and it was duck dynasty. Everything.
01:08:16.720
I know it. Everything. That was nationwide. Yeah. It was crazy. So we looked up and we all got rich
01:08:22.560
and famous, but the bottom line is you say, how did it, how did that not rich? I know it's the love
01:08:30.280
of money. It's the love of fame. It's the arrogance that come from it. But we had grounded those boys
01:08:37.820
and then their wives, by the way, I raised four boys and they all came to me one at a time to show
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you on why that didn't tear our family apart and go in all directions. You say, everybody weathered
01:08:50.780
that and everybody's still on track. People are preaching Jesus. Willie, Jason, Al, my oldest one,
01:08:58.200
you're like, Jeff over here in Austin. You're like, it all worked out. They all came to me after they
01:09:04.440
left home. And when they married and they started to have their children, one at a time, my sons came
01:09:11.340
by and they would say, dad, when we'd have a little feed or something, they'd say, thank
01:09:15.780
you for raising us the way you did. Because now that we have children, we get it. We get
01:09:25.300
it. They said, thank you for disciplining us to show it. I mean, rebuking us, correcting
01:09:33.140
us, training us. They said, thank you for that because we really need it now with our own
01:09:38.040
kids. We get it. Yeah. So they each thanked me for that. Well, it made me feel good because
01:09:43.140
what's happened in America back for the most part, our family structure is fast leaving.
01:09:53.380
Yeah. Like there's no father. There's no discipline. There's no, there's no father. There's no
01:09:58.500
mother. There's no male. There's no female. There's no adult. There's no child. There's nothing.
01:10:02.860
There's nothing. There's nothing. I mean, I trained them to, to obey their teachers. I
01:10:08.220
trained them to obey old people. If they're old and you are, sit down and shut up and listen
01:10:12.660
to them. I trained them to obey law enforcement. I trained them to salute the flag, to sing the
01:10:18.280
star spangled banner. I trained them to do that, to be patriotic and all that. Well, if it doesn't
01:10:24.020
come from dad, where's it going to come from? We lost that. And when we lost that, I
01:10:32.820
say, because we didn't think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, you run God
01:10:37.540
at America is never going to be great again until America becomes godly again.
01:10:45.400
Phil, I've been saying for a while now, um, uh, I think, especially now with infanticide
01:10:52.740
and everything else, I think this is like the Lord is just kind of throwing down and saying,
01:10:58.960
guys, it's all up to you. You either turn back to me, I'll heal your land, but you need
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to turn back to me and you need to stand up and declare it. And you need to ask for my
01:11:12.380
forgiveness because I can't do anything with this anymore. I can't help you anymore. Uh,
01:11:17.040
you know, Abraham Lincoln had a, uh, he, he had a proclamation halfway through the civil
01:11:23.360
war. And I, I hate to say this to a Southerner here, but, um, cause I know it can get dicey
01:11:30.700
with Abraham Lincoln, but Abraham Lincoln's, we were halfway through the war. We had lost
01:11:35.480
every, the union had lost every single battle. Lincoln was begging God, what do I do? What
01:11:46.280
do you, what do you want? And you know, he's talking about all the treasure. If all the treasure
01:11:51.360
needs to be piled up and taken, so be it. And he said, this is about slavery. This is
01:11:59.660
about abolishing slavery. It was halfway through. Yup. And he said, you want me to free the
01:12:04.900
slaves? I'll free the slaves. Fine. I'll free the slaves. It's not about keeping the union
01:12:09.140
together. It's about that from here on out. Yup. He then went to the people and said, we
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need fast prayer and humiliation. And he asked the whole country to do it. We only lost two
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battles after that. Yup. Only two battles. Yup. It is all that is required. Yup. If and until
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there's a mass repentance and a mass turning back, a revival, if you will, to God, I don't see
01:12:42.760
how we can stand. But how are you going to do that, Phil, when the churches have become
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so ineffective and so limp? Romans 12 into practice, understand that we, the people of
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God are the salt and the light of the world, or we're supposed to be. You're like, I'm just
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one man. You're another one. You say, you just keep up and keep making the charge forward.
01:13:11.760
Come on. Let's go. Whether there's a mass repentance or not, I say they're worth the effort. The people
01:13:25.280
of the United States, I'm saying they're worth the effort. That's in my prayer every night.
01:13:30.480
Yeah. So I'm one. I'm going to be part of the, part of the, the spiritual warfare crowd. I'm trying
01:13:37.680
to get them to turn back to God. I've been doing this for the last two or three days, but you say,
01:13:43.120
everybody's basically in agreement on this. I mean, people who are sound thinking, you see what I'm
01:13:49.360
saying? Yeah. The no God thing has not worked well in the last 60 years. It's really hurt us.
01:13:56.240
It's never worked well in the history of mankind. Supreme court, when they decided they would become
01:14:00.580
the Supreme being, there's a big difference between the Supreme court and the Supreme being,
01:14:07.060
they stepped over in his shoes and they began to allow these people to kill their own children
01:14:12.900
and redefine 7,000 years of history of what a marriage is. Back when they did that, that really
01:14:24.700
When I was at Fox, uh, it's 2009. I mean, everything was coming at me. Everything was
01:14:38.020
coming at me. People going through my garbage, looking for dirt on me, doing everything they
01:14:42.940
could. I remember the time. I remember the timeframe. It was bad. I knew you were in a bind,
01:14:47.860
but I just didn't know how big a bind you. Yeah, it was bad. It was bad. And, uh, and I prayed
01:14:52.840
every night, Lord, please help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help. And, uh, it was
01:14:57.740
so clear to me. These are not enemies of yours. They're not enemies of yours. They're enemies
01:15:03.080
of mine. And I will deal with them in my time. Love them. Holy cow. Holy cow. Um, we, we have
01:15:17.760
lost the ability to see the truth anymore. We have lost the ability to truly be, uh, have
01:15:26.600
our senses offended. You know what I mean? We're so outraged about everything except
01:15:30.680
infanticide. Look how hard it is for us. Instead of trying to find one mistake,
01:15:40.460
Judge Kavanaugh, other, they go back into people's past and they try to find something
01:15:47.440
they can get them on. It doesn't make any difference. They got to bring them down. You
01:15:53.080
say, we've lost the ability just to forgive each other. We've just lost it. I mean, the
01:16:00.940
forgiveness is like, Oh, that's weak. You're like, no, it's not. We're all full of sin.
01:16:07.000
And if everybody makes mistakes, I mean, and what were you, we're going through
01:16:09.740
people's high school yearbook. Look, I mean, look, you look back at my past. It
01:16:16.360
is pathetic. Right. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. So you're like, boy, you, you, you got
01:16:21.740
me there. I gave them all to God way back. Thankfully he's a forgiving and a loving
01:16:26.380
God and you're not a forgiving and loving person, but give me a break. Yeah. We've
01:16:32.380
just lost godliness. We've lost it. We've lost as a nation.
01:16:37.000
We've lost faith in an almighty. We have, we have God, but we do not have an almighty.
01:16:52.460
I say, we just continue the charge straight, go straight forward. Try our best. I'm 72.
01:16:59.740
You say, you're running out of time faster than I'm running out of time. I'm just going
01:17:06.340
to try to keep on keeping on until I get too old to do it. Then, you know, I'll sit there
01:17:10.720
and maybe a few can come by. We'll give them a few words of instruction. I'm not budging
01:17:14.600
on it, you know, whether they repent or not, but I wish they would repent because they are
01:17:20.080
really, really going to scream loudly. If a lot of these positions and these programs they're
01:17:26.520
trying to push through, we give these people their way, I'm telling you, misery and ruin
01:17:33.600
is going to go unchecked for a long time. They will scream and holler and beg for mercy,
01:17:41.620
Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do.
01:17:50.120
Last bit. Tell me what, uh, tell me what the death and resurrection means to you.
01:18:01.820
Now, everything else when it comes to sin or health, your health care, everything is temporary.
01:18:23.220
So, when you start talking about something that's eternal, it's even a hard concept to wrap your head
01:18:36.400
around. You're like, eternal. I told them, that's why I tell people all the time, I said,
01:18:41.860
I really am not too concerned about buying man's insurance. I said, because with God, it's eternal
01:18:55.000
health care. He said, I'll heal your diseases too. I said, I've just watched through the years.
01:19:02.160
I said, if you have eternal health care, I said, and what's amazing about it, it is free.
01:19:08.480
I said, they're talking about programs with temporary results, right? I mean, the medical
01:19:18.060
profession, all the doctors, all the medical, you say, all they're going to give you at best
01:19:24.080
is a temporary reprieve, but you still have that six foot hole to go into because all the ones
01:19:30.660
treating you end up in the six foot hole along with all the nurses and you. So you say, is there
01:19:38.460
anything lasting here? Yeah. Jesus and the death of Jesus and his resurrection, you say,
01:19:46.540
eternal consequences. That's why I said earlier when I started, immortality's riding on this.
01:19:54.400
Well, I've never read any story ever since I've been on planet earth that offered immortality to a
01:19:59.040
person about what he did 2,000 years ago. I've never, I've never heard of it. I mean,
01:20:05.140
it is the strangest story I personally have ever read. I don't think human beings literally
01:20:12.560
could have invented a Jesus. I don't think they could have done it.
01:20:18.620
I think you could have invented a story, but it wouldn't have been this, uh, because it went against
01:20:24.120
everything in the culture at the time. And it wouldn't, it wouldn't read like it does today.
01:20:29.460
There's no book I've ever read that reads like this. Me either. And I mean, there's a lot of
01:20:36.180
really great books, a lot of really great books. I've never had a question that was not answered.
01:20:42.520
Right. And I'm thinking, how in the world could you, right. You know, if you read what Jesus said,
01:20:48.200
I mean, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, not that thick. And if you read that, you say, he never said,
01:20:54.420
listen, I need to clarify what I said. Uh, I need to, I need to clarify what I said because I don't want
01:21:03.600
you to get there. No, I never heard him even come close to saying, well, I should have, I could have
01:21:09.920
explained this. No. And it's, and it's Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, you say, how in the world could,
01:21:20.260
could you even record somebody saying what he said? And you can't find any on second thought.
01:21:27.920
Maybe I should have said nothing. It's just bump into the end.
01:21:33.500
And even with as much as our culture has changed, everything he said,
01:21:48.160
You say in, and that's still what he said, pertinent. Fast forward 2000 years, you're like,
01:21:55.420
how in the world could anything that far back be that relevant? Right.
01:22:00.440
Down to every part of your life. Where'd we come from? What are we doing here?
01:22:06.000
Is there any way out of here? Well, you just read through it and you say,
01:22:12.220
here we sit. I think we're in very good shape myself.
01:22:19.000
I'm going to leave it at that. Name of the book, The Theft of America's Soul,
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blowing the lid off the lies that are destroying our country. The author, Phil Robertson.
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