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Former Vice President Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden was supposed to testify before the House Oversight Committee, but he chose to hold a press conference outside of the Capitol instead. He said he had nothing to hide and that his father played no part in his business dealings.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to The Great America Show. Good to have you with us.
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It's been a busy week for the Supreme Court. Yesterday, we told you about Trump's special
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counsel, Jack Smith, and his petition to the high court for a decision on presidential immunity
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in the former president's January 6th case. Today, we have more developments out of the court.
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The Supreme Court saying it will take up an appeal by a January 6th defendant that could result in the
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reversal of hundreds of charges from the events at the Capitol that day. The justices will review
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an appellate court ruling that revived charges against those three defendants accused of obstructing
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official proceedings. The Biden Justice Department brought the obstruction charges against more than
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300 defendants. Justice may be finally on the horizon for those political prisoners. It's also worth
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noting that two of the four charges against President Trump in his January 6th case relate to this same
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statute. Hunter Biden on Capitol Hill yesterday to testify, but instead of testifying, the president's
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drug plague son, instead put on a show of his own outside the Capitol, hosting his own press conference,
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if you will, telling the press corps he had nothing to hide and that his father played no part in his
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business dealings. James Comer, Jim Jordan, Jason Smith, and their colleagues have distorted the facts
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by cherry picking lines from a bank statement, manipulating texts I sent, editing the testimony of
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my friends and former business partners, and misstating personal information that was stolen from me.
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There is no fairness or decency in what these Republicans are doing.
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They have lied over and over about every aspect of my personal and professional life, so much so that
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their lies have become the false facts believed by too many people. No matter how many times it is
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debunked, they continue to insist that my father's support of Ukraine against Russia is the result of a
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non-existent bribe. They displayed naked photos of me during an oversight hearing.
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And they have taken the light of my dad's love,
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the light of my dad's love for me, and presented it as darkness. They have no shame.
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These same committee chairmen have engaged in unprecedented political interference
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in what would have already been a five-year investigation of me. Yet, here I am, Mr. Chairman,
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we can bring these people in for depositions or committee hearings, whichever they choose.
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Well, I've chosen. I am here to testify at a public hearing today
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to answer any of the committee's legitimate questions.
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Republicans do not want an open process where Americans can see their tactics,
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expose their baseless inquiry, or hear what I have to say.
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So there you have it from Hunter Biden himself.
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House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer and Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan had a press conference of their own.
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We're disappointed that he didn't show up. I mean, he was just across the way at the Capitol.
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You'd think he could have come here and set the question.
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If you do it in an open format now, you're going to get filibusters, you're going to get speeches,
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you're going to get all kinds of things. What we want is the facts.
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And the way you get the facts in every single investigation I've been involved in
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is you bring people in for an interview behind closed doors where you can get those facts.
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And then, as the chairman said, we'd love for him to come public.
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Mr. Biden's counsel and the White House have both argued that the reason he couldn't come for a deposition
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was because there wasn't a formal vote for an impeachment inquiry.
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We think the House of Representatives will go on record with a power that solely resides in the House
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to say we are in an official impeachment inquiry phase of our oversight.
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And when that happens, we'll see what their excuse is then.
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But once we take that vote, we expect him to come in for his interview, for his deposition.
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And frankly, we'll also, I think, look at contempt proceedings as we move forward.
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The next step, if Hunter decides not to come back for a deposition, is contempt of Congress.
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And our sources tell us Chairman Jordan is prepared to move ahead with those charges.
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And new details emerging about the death of Obama family chef Toffee Campbell,
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who drowned on the Martha's Vineyard property of the Obamas.
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Judicial Watch uncovered new documents revealing there were operational failures
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with Secret Service rescue boats during the emergency.
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It was confirmed that Campbell was not wearing a life jacket
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while he was out paddleboarding in just eight feet of water.
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It seems the Secret Service is having a lot of problems,
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whether it be drunk driving, phone record retention, visitor logs,
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Our guest today is the host of Steve Bannon's War Room,
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Let's start with 702, a confused House of Representatives
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Your thoughts about 702 and why this shouldn't be a straight no
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You know, remember, Lou, for us being fascist and Trump ought to be a dictator.
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We're the one people that are sitting there throwing down the sand,
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hey, maybe we shouldn't let the FBI surveil more American citizens.
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And I think it shows, you know, I love Mike Johnson.
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But this is another example, I think, where he gets the intelligence
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The next thing he's going, he's, you know, petrified and allowing this
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to be slipped into this awful NDAA, which I might add has all the Woken
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weaponized stuff we fought so hard in the committee to get out that when it's
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And now you're going to have slipped into the couple of thousand pages.
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You're going to have slipped in an authorization or at least a kick down the
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But people realize if it goes to April with the FISA, the 702 goes for another
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So I think this thing, it just shows you, even with guys like Jim Jordan, some
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solid guys that there's just not a sense of urgency.
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I don't think of a house to be fighters on this thing and look at the Senate, all
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the BS coming out of the Senate about why we need this.
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I have never seen a Congress in my career that is so blatantly, obviously, just
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confounded and completely without any way to find their way forward to supporting
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their values, their purported values and philosophy of the Republican Party.
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Lou, the war room audience is, of everything you just listed out, what they're all
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The thing they're most furious about is these guys are leaving on Friday.
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They're not coming back to January 9th when we're 10 days away from the first CR
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Now, I'm a person, and I was raised and trained in just how I am, that if I have
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important work that needs to be done, I can't take off and go enjoy myself and do
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Once that's done, then I feel like maybe we take some time off.
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You just named a couple of Republican, you know, the Republic ending thing, the invasion
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of the southern border, nine million illegals here, costing us a half a trillion dollars
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a year, which I don't even know is budgeted for.
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This whole debacle in Ukraine, the Ukraine war is over.
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They allowed him to come over and talk to our military, directly address our military, and
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then meet with the arms manufacturers, and then, you know, wander around Congress with
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a tin cup, and then head the beggars bowl out at the Oval Office, another embarrassment
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There's so many huge issues, and they haven't even addressed with the spending.
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Remember, the House is still short four appropriations bills, including justice and the FBI, which
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The Senate, I'm not sure, has passed four or five of them.
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So when we get back on the 9th, there's going to be another fire drill.
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There's no chance this thing gets solved by the 19th of January or when the second one
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So they're going to talk about another CR or another January omnibus.
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Mike Johnson, who everybody backed when he got in there, it just seems to not understand
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And this moment's about a crisis of the American Republic.
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It can only be addressed with hard work, and I mean hard work, that is, you know, six
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And our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, would not be offended if you took a couple hours,
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had a little ceremony in the Capitol on the morning, on Christmas morning, and went back
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And what do you think the odds are that'll happen?
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Don't get in the way of any of these guys leaving town on Friday, because they'll run over you.
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Lou, are you taking, do you take three weeks off for Christmas?
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Do you take, are we a couple of guys in like Stad, Switzerland, the Davos Krautski in the
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Yeah, only when Klaus Schwab has a sweet book for me with plenty of advance notice, which
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So it's, it is stunning to me that we are in 2023 in America, and it feels nothing like
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the country that I have lived in for my entire life.
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It feels nothing like the capital that I've been in and out of and the, and the officials
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I see a country that is truly, truly caught in some sort of centrifugal force, and I want
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We're talking with Steve Bannon, Steve Bannon's War Room.
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We're back with Steve Bannon, and Steve, there seems to be something going on here, forces
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at work that I can't identify, but which I feel, which I, and I trust my instincts and
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There are great, great forces at work here that are somehow beyond our vision and somehow
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Your thoughts about what is a turbulent, turbulent period of time in our history?
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We know I've been a big advocate of this concept of, called turnings, you know, the cyclical
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nature of American history, and it was personified in the book, The Fourth Turning.
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I made a movie about it, I don't know, in 2009, so what, 14 years ago, called Generation Zero.
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Lou, you were nice enough to have me on the show when I came out with the film, you and
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Sean, you know, I just had Tucker on the show for the launch of his new site, and I went
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back to Tucker, because I've known Tucker a long time, and he's kind of a happy warrior
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like Andrew Bright, but they're in the fight, but these guys are very optimistic, glass, you
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know, half full, blah, blah, blah, all that, and he's taken a very darker turn the last six
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months, so his heritage speech, he's given an ass, and I said, look, you've always been
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an upbeat guy, we're in the sublet uplands, and you've gotten, you've gotten almost as
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dark as I've gotten, and he said, he says, listen, he said, the country I knew and loved
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is now gone, and fastly receding, I don't know if we can get it back, we probably can't,
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but it's going to be a hard fight, but he says, I sense a sense of darkness, he says,
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I've noticed this even with my friends, the friends that even I've lost in being such
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a member of the MAGA movement, and, you know, America Firster, and he goes on about
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this darkness, and I think you're right, there's something out there, and I think
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this is just the cyclical nature of history, like in Ecclesiastes, we're in a season of
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darkness, and it's upon us patriots to now bind together and to kind of make a blood
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oath and fight our way through here and try to save this republic, because if we don't
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do it, and we don't do it now, we're going to lose it forever, what was bequeathed to
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us from 12 or 13, 14 generations is going to be lost, and this is the
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New Jerusalem, it's the most unique country in the history of man, it's done, it freed
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more people, created more wealth, done more for humanity than any country in the history
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of the earth, and we're in a fight for it right now, but I agree with Tucker, there's
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a certain darkness out there that is kind of a brooding specter over us, and it's for
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I think it's very clear, I don't see the darkness that you or Tucker see.
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What I see is fearful hearts, uncertain minds, and opponents, enemies, who are obviously
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But see, I think you described it, I think you described that the uniparty globalist progressive
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left is so vicious and so outside the bounds of what has been traditional Americanism, that
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it's that fear, and I think it's in Congress, I think it's a two-play, you worked at two
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of the greatest, you worked at CNN at the top of its game, and you worked at Fox at the
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top of its game, and you're seeing it there, and it's one thing Tucker and I talked about,
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they're good people, there are many good people in Congress, a lot of them are just flatly
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afraid, they're afraid of stepping up, they're afraid of having a sense of urgency, they're
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afraid of being a fighter, because they see what happens when you step up at Fox and
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CNN and other media companies, they're good people there, but they're afraid, they'll
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be terminated, they're afraid their career will be run, and when people get into their
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30s and 40s that they've spent 20 or 30 years getting to these positions, it's easier said
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There's not a lot of, you know, Lou Dobbs and Steve Bann, Tucker Carlson says, hey, screw
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it, I'll go do something, I'll start a podcast, it'll be just as big.
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Like, I'm not saying we're particularly brave, but, you know, we, I think, understand risk
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It is definitely fear, but it's not a, it's not an irrational fear.
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Trump, dude, if I told you, if I'd been on your show in 2020, and I said, hey, Lou, they're
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going to steal this thing, we're going to get, hey, Lou, we're going to get 74 million votes.
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We got 63 and 16, we're going to get 74 million votes, Lou, and we're still going to lose
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between a combination of either the machines or the mail-in ballots, you pick them, but
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that in a couple of years, Trump's going to be indicted four times on 91 counts, 700 years
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They're going to have a show trial, like the Moscow show trials in 1935 in New York, and
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strip him of all the business his family's worked on for generations.
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And oh, by the way, they're going to be in nine swing states trying to take him off.
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The ballot because, oh, yes, with all this, he's still leading in the polls.
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You would have said, I've lost my mind that that's not America can't happen.
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It's impossible to happen that that could not happen, that the Justice Department judges
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the states, particularly even states like Georgia, would never allow that to happen.
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And so people look at that and people look at Mike Lindell and they're trying to put
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You know, Mike Lindell went through a very tough time about 100 days ago.
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I mean, you know, he came on the show today and said, hey, he wanted to thank the warden,
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the Warren Posse, who really kind of put our shoulder to the wheel.
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He says he didn't think he'd be able to pay Christmas bonuses.
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If you step out of line ever, ever at one of these big media companies, you're out and
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If you step out in a corporate in one of these corporate Fortune 500s, you're out and gone.
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But James O'Keefe gave this speech about this, about fear.
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And there was an audience, I think it was at the University of, I think it was Northwestern
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And he said, look, he says, look, it's easy for you to say, but he says, I am afraid.
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If I get fired here, the reason they fire me will be on my record forever.
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People have fear and they have fear because our enemies, and that's what they are, have
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They are out for the politics of personal destruction.
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And that's why it's incumbent upon us and others to say, hey, look, and that's why in Congress,
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We need a few more to say, look, this is republic ending what they're doing.
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If we don't stand up now, if we don't fight, if we don't stand to breach every day, this
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And the republic, this country will still be something.
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But it will not be the constitutional republic that was handed down to us and bequeathed to
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And that's why this moment is everything right now.
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We're going to talk with Steve Bannon about how we've squandered a legacy in this country,
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which is part of this calculus and what has created our current reality.
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We're also, I want to remind everyone that there is that expression, the politics of personal
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We thought it was just a relic of the past from Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton and the
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Clintonistas, they're the ones who brought that to the fore and is a vicious weapon in
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It's even meaner and nastier and more effective than ever.
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And Steve, you've been podcasting much longer than me.
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I was watching you back when I was a naval officer.
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And I learn from you and Mr. Trump all the time.
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I feel a compunction to be bright and at times airy and positive as I'm trying to also inform
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my audience and to give them my perspective of what is going on in this country.
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And there are days, I have to say, I don't pull a punch, but maybe I'll just kind of try
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But we are right now, I'm running out of ways to avoid the reality that is, in point of fact,
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a reality that is confused, that is often inexplicable.
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And I think even the best minds in this country right now are not devoted to solving the problems
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that are so obvious, whether it is our relationship with the People's Republic of China, whether
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We have people like Antony Blinken, Joe Biden, Jake Sullivan.
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I mean, we have some of the worst talent in the world working on the biggest problems,
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I think, that the country has ever faced short of war.
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I mean, if you look at the team, that's why it's so important, I think, for this politics
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is for the Congress to start getting on top of things and start having extensive urgency
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And also for all of us to get our shoulder to the wheel and make sure not only we win 2024,
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And so I think that that's why all the chips are at the table.
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And I think, and I strongly believe that that's why, you know, from Tucker to you, to what
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we're doing on Real America's Voice, on Lindale TV, all these podcasts, they're so important
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because you're not getting that information at Fox.
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You're not getting that information clearly at MSNBC or CNN and even most of the conservative
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And one thing I feel quite comfortable, what I feel good about is that I like who's on
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At the end of the day, just like in any sport, it's about not just your plan, your strategy,
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because that only goes to the first time you get punched in the mouth, as Mike Tyson used
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I like when I, we're doing interviews in the streets of Chicago and you have young African-American
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men that said they've had enough of these illegal alien invaders being dumped into their city
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When you have people in the rear Grand Valley, Hispanic-Americans who have said they've had
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Not only are these podcasts getting bigger, but the movement's getting bigger, it's getting
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And they're able to call out even guys that we like and support, like Mike Johnson, who's
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a good man and a Christian man with a great biblical worldview.
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And so I like where we are, although I think it's dark and it's going to get a lot darker.
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Because I tell people, I don't see the deep state and the administrative state welcoming
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the Trump and the MAGA movement back to power in January 2025 with open arms.
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And I think we've got to really be prepared for a very uncertain and crazy 2024, the entire
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I'm batten down the hatches and full speed ahead.
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I want to talk to you, though, as we are wrapping up here, you were part of a big part of the
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reason that President Trump won the White House in 2016.
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You were a big part of establishing the administration and counseling the president.
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I believe chief strategist was your title there.
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And and I have to ask you, do you see a way forward in terms of the organization that
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Do you see a way forward in the way the RNC is organized?
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Number one, I think, to prepare to take over the administration is you've got the heritage
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You have other groups that are looking to train up both policy wise and personnel, people
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that are ready, not people that we know Trump's going to pick, but people that are the draft
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pool that he could pick for the three thousand political appointees that we can get day one.
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Roughly three thousand can hit the beach right away.
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That's the control of federal apparatus that has about two million civilian employees,
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But it also has contractors that, you know, 16 to 18 million.
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So it's roughly 20 million people in the apparatus.
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And I think these guys are doing a terrific job.
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And I couldn't be more pleased about the depth of quality and thoughtfulness in these programs.
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We promoted a lot on the show and a lot of people are volunteering and coming forward.
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The campaign, I think, right now for a primary is perfectly structured.
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He's doing a lot of policy himself in these speeches.
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But if you look at the organization in Iowa and in New Hampshire and South Carolina, these early states,
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I think even more organized than Corey had in 16.
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The general campaign, they're probably going to have to power up.
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I think President Trump will make that decision at the time when to power up.
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President Trump, it's only President Trump can do it.
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The state parties of Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, these places, these people have very little money, very little organization.
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We need the big six to be hitting on all cylinders.
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As far as the PACs go, I'm not feeling it right now.
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I think President Trump, a lot of his time and attention is diverted like the left wing wanted on legal.
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They're really sucking up his time and his focus.
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I think the donors will finally understand it's going to be Trump.
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I hope that all comes together in February, March of this coming year.
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I think we're going to end up wasting $600 or $700 million on these debates in this bogus primary.
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It's time to come together back with President Trump.
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So I'm optimistic in that regard, but there's a lot of work that has to be done.
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I can see the pieces, the structural pieces, and I see the personnel.
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I really like some of the team members we've got.
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You're going to have to grind every day between now and 5 November 2024 if you want to win.
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If those people are prepared to do it, particularly given the debacle the country's had with Biden and the rest of this radical crew,
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And good things have to happen because if we don't win, we'll lose the country.
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And you've heard it, folks, from the man who knows.
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This is a – let me ask one question in closing.
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Do you have a perfect candidate in mind or a semi-perfect – I'll take even semi-perfect – person in mind to replace Ronna McDaniel?
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I've got a perfect person I would put in there right away.
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I think Don Jr. – I think Don Jr., number one, has his father's confidence.
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Number two, knows what his father's thinking is.
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Number three, is a huge popular figure among the grassroots and can raise a ton of money among the grassroots.
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There's a bunch of others out there, but if you had to ask me, you know, the person I would go to first, I'd ask Don Jr. to do it.
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Don Jr. would work 24 hours a day, 10 days a week to support his father, the love he has for his father,
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and understanding what his father has given up by coming back and doing this again.
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If Trump had walked away, none of this would have happened.
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He's now a fight for the family, a fight for the country, and a fight for himself.
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Steve, we appreciate you being with us, and all the very best to you.
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Your first biggest fan is President Trump himself.
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You're an American institution, and we're so lucky to have you still at your age where you could go do anything you want to commit and do the work you do to help save this republic.
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You and the missus are the best, and just have a great holiday.
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Well, I want to say first, I'm honored, and thank you very much for those kind words.
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And everyone listening to us and all of our fellow patriots across the country, God bless, and Merry Christmas.
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Our guest here tomorrow on The Great America Show is a great investigative journalist, Julie Kelly, covering January 6th and also the special counsel investigations and prosecution of President Trump.
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Julie, one of the stars of Real Clear Investigations.
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So please join us for Julie Kelly and join us each and every day on The Great America Show.