The Great America Show hosts Lou Dobbs and Gordon Chang discuss the latest in the Julian Assange saga, and the growing threat of war between China and the United States, and why the Deep State is so determined to keep him behind bars.
00:00:00.000Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to the Great America Show, and great to have you with us.
00:00:06.320You know, sometimes it's more important to think about what isn't being discussed than what is being pushed, peddled, and published by the corporatist national media.
00:00:19.280The Justice Department has been after the WikiLeaks founder for years.
00:00:23.560He faces 18 federal charges for publishing classified and sensitive government cables and reports on the Iraq and Afghan wars.
00:00:33.940Assange has successfully fought extradition to the United States, first by hiding in the London Embassy of Ecuador for seven years.
00:00:42.460Then three years ago, U.K. authorities arrested him, and he spent three years in Belmarsh Prison near London.
00:00:49.080Assange now has two weeks in which to appeal his extradition to the United States.
00:00:55.600So why is the Department of Justice so intent, so unrelenting in their pursuit of Assange?
00:01:02.460It seems to me there's a very likely possibility that the deep state and Marxist Dems aren't great fans of WikiLeaks,
00:01:11.100which, after all, reported that the DNC had favored Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders in 2016.
00:01:18.020That may have been Assange's great crime, given the tight relationship between the DNC and the DOJ,
00:01:27.120as well as the claim that Russia, yes, here's Russia again, had leaked the DNC emails that so embarrassed the DNC.
00:01:36.180But still, why is our DOJ so interested in Assange?
00:01:42.540In my opinion, not for what he published, all of it is true, but for what he knows about the relationship between the Department of Justice and the Democrat National Committee.
00:01:54.640We now know that the DOJ had a portal inside the DNC law firm Perkins Coy for more than a decade.
00:02:04.700Assange might be able to tell us a lot more about the Department of Justice, which seems more like a front agency for the Democratic Party, or perhaps even worse.
00:02:55.220Does it look to you as though Volodymyr Zelensky made a huge mistake when he publicly warned leading nations to watch communist China carefully?
00:03:05.840Because the Chinese, he said, want to invade Taiwan.
00:03:10.160Now, just within three days of that, President Xi made it clear to the world China supports Putin's war against Ukraine.
00:03:19.080Xi Jinping's phone call with Vladimir Putin on Wednesday showed complete defiance of the Biden administration.
00:03:28.360China, as they say, is not deterred by the U.S.
00:03:31.560And after all of Biden's warnings to China over Ukraine, this phone call where Xi Jinping clearly supported Russia's efforts 100 percent is an indication that the Chinese do not respect Biden.
00:03:45.560They don't think that we can stop China.
00:03:48.060And that loom makes this one of the most dangerous moments in history, because you have two large states, China and Russia, now believe that they can do what they want.
00:03:57.500And of course, it's not just the two of them, it's their proxies.
00:04:00.980So North Korea, Iran, Algeria, Pakistan.
00:04:10.080And some are saying, including some of the Russians, that that war is already underway.
00:04:16.420And listening to the defense minister of the People's Republic, it sounds like he wants to to go well beyond any sort of questionable start to conflict.
00:04:27.940He wants China to be right in the middle of it.
00:04:30.120And he did everything but insult Lloyd Austin, the defense secretary, to his face, insult the United States.
00:04:38.420And Lloyd Austin sat there and took it like the woke weakling he is and just whimpered as he left the office and returned to the United States talking about how aggressive the Chinese are.
00:04:50.880What a pathetic cast of characters in this Biden White House.
00:04:56.260Yes, and that's why you have both Moscow and Beijing acting up at the same time.
00:05:03.940The one thing about China right now is you can smell war in the air because Chinese flag officers want to kill.
00:05:12.180And we can see this from what they're doing.
00:05:14.240So, for instance, on May 26, they fired flares and chaff at a Royal Australian Air Force P-8A, Poseidon reconnaissance craft.
00:05:24.960Some of that material was ingested in one of the aircraft's two engines, which means that we're very fortunate that they were able to get back to base.
00:05:36.060China wanted to bring down that plane.
00:05:38.800And so we've got to understand the mentality on the other side right now that the Chinese want war.
00:05:44.800Well, can I interject here just for a minute?
00:05:48.460When you say they want war, we put a P-8A out in front.
00:05:54.900The Australians do, but part of the combined operation, the coalition.
00:06:00.500Why wasn't there a fighter aircraft with that P-8A?
00:06:04.180And why don't we make statements by putting those fighter aircraft alongside them and making certain where it's no longer a surprise when the Chinese overfly the Taiwanese defense zone.
00:06:21.080It is no longer a surprise when they go after Australia or Canada or the United States aircraft as they monitor the South China Sea, the Strait of Taiwan.
00:08:23.880There isn't enough character, it seems to me, or a real principle amongst our military leaders.
00:08:33.640This should not be tolerated for a moment because this is the kind of weak response that, as you point out, I think absolutely correctly, leads to war.
00:08:43.920Because one side is weak and doesn't understand how to meet the other in peace,
00:08:49.280then they sure as hell won't know what they're doing when war starts.
00:09:03.820We have an indulgent political class that fails to comprehend the existential nature of the challenge from China.
00:09:11.120When you say political class, I'm thinking, golly, you know, what an expression for guys like Mitt Romney, Lindsey Graham, Tom Tillis, and their ilk.
00:09:23.760Then if you include the Marxist Dems, all of the U.S. Senate and the U.S. House of Representatives fit in that category.
00:09:31.480We are looking at a clash of ideologies within our country that is almost as sharp and defined and, I would say, as vicious as any external conflict,
00:09:45.240whether it be with the Communist Chinese or whether it be with a dictator, Vladimir Putin, or the Ayatollahs in Iran.
00:09:53.920We are a country right now so divided and so, I would say, desensitized to intelligent discussion and debate about the issues that are important
00:10:11.120that all we're left with is this mad ideological confrontation between Marxist Dems and rhino liberal Republicans.
00:10:20.520Yeah, to put this in historical context, you know, we Americans look back at the British and French in the 1930s
00:10:28.780and wonder how could they fail to understand the challenge that Hitler was posing, not only to them, but to the international system.
00:10:36.700And right now we're seeing the same thing with the Biden administration and that political class in the United States.
00:10:42.820You know, China just killed 1,012,000 Americans with coronavirus by deliberately spreading it beyond their borders.
00:10:52.200They kill about 100,000 Americans a year with fentanyl.
00:10:56.460And there is no response on the part of the United States.
00:16:41.540The ones of the current administration don't work.
00:16:44.140You know, it seems to me, too, that it's time for everybody to get very honest about our military academies, the Air Force Academy, the military, Annapolis.
00:16:53.700Because these officers, these flag officers are coming out of those academies.
00:16:59.360And it's about time we had a commission to actually go in and audit and understand completely what is happening in those academies.
00:17:07.960Because if they're as woke as the generals who are demanding this nonsense across all branches, then we're in big trouble because it's happening sooner to younger officers who one day will be leading.
00:17:21.640We're missing every opportunity here to focus on doing better, being better, and insisting that our leaders be the real deal.
00:17:32.240Because what we're putting on the front lines right now are G5 riding big shots who are playing at leadership rather than, in fact, leading and acting in the national interest.
00:17:44.560It's dispiriting, it is disgusting, and everybody's got to tune in to the reality of what we have become.
00:18:13.320And what you say about woke culture being indoctrinated into our officer corps, that's absolutely 100% correct.
00:18:22.880We need a new administration because we need a military that will fight.
00:18:28.120We need a military that believes in the United States.
00:18:31.080We need a military that is training to go to war instead of the current social diversity training that they're getting at this particular time.
00:18:39.340Yeah, it's important for all of us to, I think, if I may say, Gordon, to remember this isn't just about one administration.
00:18:47.740The previous administration also was met with fierce resistance at every level when this president tried to modernize,
00:18:54.820when this president tried to bring back our troops from police actions and stationary commands, whether it be in South Korea or Germany,
00:19:04.600which we should have brought back years ago, and President Trump tried his level best, but he couldn't find support amongst a feckless group of rhinos who command the U.S. Senate, period.
00:19:20.160Whether they're Democrats or rhino liberals.
00:19:23.400Yeah, this goes back to the point about the political class.
00:19:27.500We need a political class that believes in America, that believes in American exceptionalism, that is willing to fight to protect us,
00:19:35.480which is not to say that we want to fight.
00:19:38.220It just says that we need to deter our enemies.
00:19:41.040And unless we show some spirit, the Chinas and the Russias, the Irans, the North Koreas, the Pakistans, the Algerias are going to move because they feel that we cannot oppose them.
00:19:53.400The Ukrainian war with Russia, I don't even like to say it that way because it is not a particularly, it's not an apt description of what is happening there.
00:20:03.440It's a devastating process, a grinder, a meat grinder of an operation on the part of the Russians.
00:20:11.120The Ukrainians, let's be honest, have very little chance of success, particularly now with a leader that is behaving as Zelensky is.
00:20:20.920He's starting to act more like a rock star than a man fighting for his nation's very existence and his own life.
00:20:27.640But your thoughts about what is what will be the outcome there now that basically, not basically, President Xi has given Putin the green light and promised his support of Putin.
00:20:41.660This is important because in this new phase of the war, which has been going on now for about three or four weeks, the Russians are winning.
00:20:50.220They are grinding down the Ukrainian military and they are exhausting the defenders, which means that the unthinkable, as some people say, because I think it is actually thinkable.
00:21:03.860And that is Russia could end up absorbing all of Ukraine.
00:21:07.620The reason why this is important from my perspective is that, as Fareed Zakaria said, and this is the first time I've ever agreed with him, that the best way to deter China is to make sure Russia loses in Ukraine.
00:21:23.440Good Lord, isn't that a, you know, I hate to say this, that is sort of a, Fareed Zakaria, sort of entangled mess of thought.
00:21:34.100I understand you agree with him, but I have to say that if he can connect those two, it tells me that he has some over under bet on something because it doesn't make any sense to me.
00:21:47.520What we have to say, what we have to do is stay the hell out of the war in Ukraine.
00:21:51.360We have already spent $60 billion in aid while Europe has done almost nothing.
00:21:57.820And the glib leaders are in Ukraine right now.
00:22:03.500Germany, France, the UK, the European Union Parliament, the European Parliament is holding forth.
00:22:50.760You know, as you point out, I've got a different view on this.
00:22:55.840But the point that we agree on is that our military now is depleted.
00:23:00.740We don't have a lot of the stores of munitions because they've been sent over to Ukraine.
00:23:06.540And that means the Chinese look at this and they say, well, will the United States have any capability to defend its interest in Asia?
00:23:16.880And I think that, you know, you look around and you see both China and Russia and their proxies are now thinking that the U.S. is so exhausted, not only from a military capability point of view, but from others as well.
00:23:33.720So that's what makes this moment dangerous.
00:23:35.740And that's the reason when we look back on this period, historians are going to look at Trump and say, Trump kept the peace, four years of peace.
00:23:47.360And that was bookended on both ends by Obama and Biden by periods of turbulence where bad actors moved and were able to make gains.
00:24:05.740We'll still have the left, the Marxist left in this country, denouncing Donald Trump because of his mean tweets, because they couldn't control.
00:24:17.980The left in this country is corporate America.
00:24:51.240They are ignorant enough to vote as a bloc day after day and time after time, irrespective of the policies that are being followed.
00:25:01.220And that is the essential conflict and contest right now.
00:25:07.400No, you're absolutely right about that.
00:25:09.180I mean, we have companies that are parroting, for instance, communist Chinese lines.
00:25:14.220The president of the United States is parroting and further distributing China's narratives about xenophobia in the U.S., for instance, which was one of President Biden's first executive orders on January 20 of 2021.
00:25:30.360One of the first things he did moments after being sworn in.
00:25:34.580We do not need Beijing's propaganda being amplified by the Oval Office.
00:25:41.260And as you point out, it's also being amplified by corporate boardrooms across America.
00:25:45.980So the American people are under attack, both internally and externally.
00:25:50.960And one of the things I hope this audience will pay some attention to, and that is what Wall Street firms are doing.
00:25:57.920Wall Street firms right now in the midst of the – we now have a bear market across Wall Street.
00:26:03.980We now have turmoil and turbulence, the likes of which we haven't seen in a very long time.
00:26:10.420It makes even the onset of the pandemic look tame by comparison.
00:26:15.640But what we do have are Wall Street firms that even as we are preparing for conflict with China are insisting that their investor capital go to China to invest in Chinese companies.
00:26:31.540And instead of talking about moving – let's get something really special and disruptive and intriguing and compelling going in this country, let's talk about tool and die.
00:26:44.740Let's talk about basic fundamental manufacturing, what we can do to resurrect that once great, proud, and supreme manufacturing sector.
00:26:56.400They want to send money over to China so they can continue with keeping a million people enslaved.
00:27:04.920The mindlessness of it is just overwhelming, and we don't have a clear and honest voice in this country talking about what is happening because they're co-opted and owned by corporate America.
00:27:18.300They're owned by the radical left, and by that I mean academia, I mean our public education.
00:27:26.760It is now a complete, complete consortium that is conspiring against the interest of the United States and the American people from within.
00:28:21.780Say that again because Jonathan Bass uses this statistic as well.
00:28:26.500It's worth repeating so everybody understands what these Chinese ships carrying all these Chinese goods to the United States principally, what they do, if you would, Gordon.
00:28:40.500Fifteen of the world's largest container ships put as much carbon into the atmosphere as all the world's vehicles.
00:28:47.720And that means that onshoring industry is great for the climate.
00:28:52.640If you're John Kerry and you're worried about climate change, well, you should be an onshoring advocate because that means when you manufacture close to consumers, there's much less carbon that's put into the air to transport materials and finished goods between the point of the factory and consumers.
00:29:12.860And let's be clear, you won't hear that statistic at Davos.
00:29:18.880You will not hear that statistic at Davos nor on Wall Street or in corporate America or, by the way, from any of the Wall Street firms who want you to invest your money in China.
00:29:33.240People wonder why this market is in trouble.
00:29:35.200Well, let me give you just a couple of influences as we wrap up here, and I'll turn it over to you for your concluding thoughts, if I may, Gordon.
00:29:43.500But one of the things that people really have to capture here is that where does that $18 trillion on the Fed balance sheet, where does that go?
00:29:55.480Does that go just to commercial banks in the United States, just within the U.S. economy?
00:30:01.920That money is swashing across Europe to China, by the way.
00:30:09.800And at the same time, our fiscal policy?
00:30:12.940Our fiscal policy makes no differentiation between the foreign and the domestic.
00:30:19.360We have a mindlessness that is ingrained in our international institutions, whether it is the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund,
00:30:29.220the corporate America, Wall Street firms.
00:30:33.780I mean, it's just disgusting to see that academia won't touch these issues, because they know we've outsourced so many millions of American jobs.
00:30:44.680We've offshored so much production that we have no capacity right now.
00:30:49.640If we got into a shooting war with China right now, my wager would be this, that they would cut off every pharmaceutical ingredient and pharmaceutical drug immediately.
00:31:04.700And that would put millions of lives at risk in the United States.
00:31:09.080And these idiots in this country, running this country, won't even honestly discuss that issue and the importance of getting away from that kind of dependence on China.
00:31:20.280Your thoughts, your concluding thoughts, if you would.
00:31:22.500In the first months of the coronavirus pandemic, China's propaganda outlets actually threatened to throw the United States into, quote, a mighty sea of coronavirus.
00:31:35.180In other words, to do exactly what you've talked about, Lou, which is to cut America off from pharmaceuticals and active pharmaceutical ingredients and personal protective equipment.
00:31:46.260And so they also nationalized a U.S. factory making the masks.
00:31:50.260The solution to our problems, Lou, as you first pointed out, is to make in America.
00:31:57.740Make in America the goods for Americans.
00:32:31.900Thanks, everybody, for being with us today.
00:32:34.160Here tomorrow, we'll take up the Marxist left and the deep state.
00:32:37.620Their persecution of January 6th demonstrators and hundreds of so-called rioters, the Department of Justice and FBI have trampled the rights for many of these citizens, and it's inexcusable.