The Great America Show - FACE TOWARD ENEMY

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America Podcast with Lou Dobbs,

00:00:04.200 always in the fight for truth, justice, and yes, our American way of life.

00:00:09.140 And now, here he is, the Peabody award-winning voice of truth, the great Lou Dobbs.

00:00:14.560 Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the Great America Show.

00:00:18.500 The world isn't any less dangerous than when we last got together,

00:00:22.720 and there are signs that danger levels are rising at potential flashpoints around the globe,

00:00:28.400 whether inspired by Iran, Russia, or China.

00:00:32.600 And we do have to give some considerable credit to the enfeebled Biden White House

00:00:37.760 and the factless Euro pacifists who want to buy much of their oil and natural gas from Russia

00:00:43.520 and who obviously believe that they'll only have to pay for that energy in euros, Russian rubles, and dollars.

00:00:51.580 That price will certainly go much higher in what has been for years a Cold War standoff

00:00:57.540 between Russia and Europe could well, in a flash, break into a very hot confrontation.

00:01:04.200 Only now is it occurring, seemingly, to the NATO nations, whose militaries are underfunded,

00:01:09.780 undermanned, and under-equipped, that they could easily be overwhelmed by Russian forces

00:01:15.180 now massed on the western border of Russia.

00:01:18.800 Satellite imagery convincingly supports Ukraine claims of 100,000 Russian troops

00:01:24.200 concentrated on the eastern border of Ukraine.

00:01:28.800 NATO Secretary Stoltenberg sounds vaguely delusional as he warns Russia that they must be,

00:01:34.240 are you ready for this word?

00:01:35.780 They must be transparent about their military activities, whatever that means.

00:01:41.120 It doesn't sound like a red line, does it?

00:01:43.500 Or an ultimatum.

00:01:44.580 It sounds more like Stoltenberg can't stand the suspense

00:01:48.400 as we await Putin's next move.

00:01:51.720 All the innervated Europeans can muster is a cry for transparency

00:01:56.020 as Russian tanks warm up their diesel engines ready to rumble toward eastern Europe.

00:02:02.440 And NATO naval ships, including those of the U.S., have so far avoided confrontation

00:02:08.700 with the Russian Navy on the Black Sea.

00:02:11.460 But it's clear all sides are engaged in a high-risk exercise that could result in an explosive conflict

00:02:17.400 whether on the Black Sea or in the skies above it.

00:02:21.920 We'll take up the rising number of national security threats to the United States

00:02:26.140 with Robert O'Neill, former Navy SEAL.

00:02:28.340 Yes, that Robert O'Neill, who shot and killed Osama bin Laden just over 10 years ago.

00:02:35.420 He is a great American hero.

00:02:37.960 He served with SEAL Team 2 and the storied SEAL Team 6.

00:02:41.920 The Navy awarded O'Neill two silver stars, four bronze star medals,

00:02:45.800 a remarkable number of commendation medals for valor.

00:02:49.400 He works as a motivational speaker, appears frequently on Newsmax television,

00:02:54.060 and there is talk of strong support for O'Neill to run for political office.

00:02:59.300 O'Neill is also a graduate of Butte Central High School,

00:03:03.220 attended Montana Technological University.

00:03:06.120 He is without question a great American, as I said, a national hero,

00:03:09.920 and, by the way, a gifted author of witty, incisive tweets.

00:03:15.520 Rob, great to have you with us.

00:03:17.180 Welcome to the Great America Show.

00:03:19.360 It is great to talk to you.

00:03:20.300 Thank you for the invitation.

00:03:22.180 Anytime.

00:03:23.320 You got a deal.

00:03:24.260 We'll impose on you by taking you up on that generous offer.

00:03:27.960 Okay, cool.

00:03:28.320 I'd like to have your thoughts, first of all, on what you know about right now,

00:03:33.500 the readiness of our military.

00:03:34.860 It's going through immense changes, as I think most Americans know,

00:03:40.700 but the readiness of our military across all branches,

00:03:43.620 in particular the quality of this country's leadership,

00:03:46.440 whether military or civilian.

00:03:48.740 The readiness, I like to think, is always there because of the not so much

00:03:55.940 junior leadership, but definitely not the senior leadership.

00:03:59.220 I wouldn't say they're junior, just the middle-level officers

00:04:01.380 and then the semi-senior enlisted, because a lot of them have had their boots

00:04:07.120 on the ground in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan, and they get it.

00:04:10.180 The problem is the senior leadership who's in charge,

00:04:12.780 they're either going to get out and get into a political life

00:04:15.280 or get appointed to their next star by someone in politics right now,

00:04:18.960 so they need to toe the line as far as being woke right now

00:04:22.300 is where they're at.

00:04:23.280 The Marine Corps just recently came out.

00:04:25.140 The Commandant of the Marine Corps just came out and said

00:04:27.000 they're really going to overhaul the entire Marine Corps.

00:04:29.800 In the same sentence, it was so we can concentrate on diversity

00:04:32.800 and then find out about retention.

00:04:36.240 Why can't we keep people in?

00:04:37.280 And I was thinking, well, the question and answer are right there

00:04:40.940 in the headline, because the diversity thing, the woke thing,

00:04:46.000 only matters to the senior leadership because of the political division.

00:04:48.480 The men and women in the military, they're not thinking about diversity.

00:04:53.140 They're thinking about why am I taking this online course

00:04:56.040 about stuff when I should be on the range shooting,

00:05:00.080 when I should be in the gym lifting,

00:05:01.160 when we should be shooting, moving, and communicating.

00:05:03.560 And they're not doing that, and the reason people are getting out

00:05:05.720 is Navy SEALs are leaving in droves right now.

00:05:09.460 And I've been told it's because of this ridiculous readiness.

00:05:13.800 They call it readiness, but there's nothing to do with it.

00:05:15.520 When I was in the military, my last deployment,

00:05:18.420 probably about eight months after we killed Osama bin Laden,

00:05:21.080 I did go back overseas.

00:05:22.660 And the big thing was repealing of don't ask, don't tell.

00:05:25.680 And the media is talking about it.

00:05:27.980 Politicians are talking about it.

00:05:29.480 And we're looking around the room in Afghanistan with Navy SEALs.

00:05:32.160 Does anybody care if anyone's gay?

00:05:34.720 No, all we care about is the standards.

00:05:37.100 If you're good enough to be here, you should be here.

00:05:38.940 That's it.

00:05:39.620 But they just spin this into politics.

00:05:42.200 And we're seeing it right now, like I said,

00:05:43.880 with the Marine Corps, with the Navy,

00:05:45.780 how their mask mandates and all this stuff.

00:05:48.420 China and Russia are not dealing with wokeism.

00:05:51.960 And we are.

00:05:52.480 And they're laughing at us.

00:05:53.280 They're taking advantage of us.

00:05:55.080 And again, not that it's not right.

00:05:57.260 Everyone deserves an equal opportunity,

00:05:58.860 but we need to have standards.

00:05:59.920 And all we're doing right now is,

00:06:01.940 if someone can't pass the standards,

00:06:03.240 we'll just lower the standards.

00:06:04.100 That's all they're doing.

00:06:05.420 So the readiness is out there.

00:06:07.600 We're getting our butt kicks in war games right now.

00:06:10.080 Everything from friendly exercises

00:06:11.620 with the Royal Marines in the UK

00:06:16.100 to combat-ready exercises

00:06:18.580 where we get destroyed by Iran, of all people.

00:06:20.900 And you can't even talk to some of these senior-level people

00:06:23.500 because they're claiming to have defenses.

00:06:25.340 It's like, yeah, well, we can shoot down

00:06:26.460 an anti-aircraft carrier missile.

00:06:29.440 It's like, fine.

00:06:29.920 Can you shoot down 1,000 of them at once?

00:06:32.260 And they're taking their eye completely off the ball.

00:06:35.600 You know, we got bogged down in Afghanistan

00:06:36.940 to the point where everyone's just trying

00:06:38.480 to make the next rank.

00:06:40.780 And that's where some officers don't tell senior leaders

00:06:44.260 the truth because they don't want to not get that job.

00:06:46.900 So our eyes off the ball,

00:06:48.600 we're concentrating on the wrong stuff.

00:06:50.060 And if and when it comes to a war with China,

00:06:52.760 it's going to be bad for us.

00:06:54.560 And let's be clear, because the national left-wing media,

00:06:58.500 and I don't know whether you can speak to this or not,

00:07:01.000 but I've witnessed it over the years,

00:07:03.980 has become far more dependent on the branches,

00:07:10.540 whatever branch it is, for greater security

00:07:14.600 so they can maintain openness

00:07:16.260 and actually get some news out of the Marines

00:07:19.660 or out of the Navy, the Air Force,

00:07:22.720 whichever branch it is.

00:07:24.700 So they choose not to press on one point or the other,

00:07:29.800 whether it be, is there really enough ammunition

00:07:32.340 for training exercises in the United States Army?

00:07:36.520 We know the answer is no, there isn't.

00:07:38.900 But there it is.

00:07:40.020 You see very few stories about that.

00:07:41.940 There's very little ammunition available

00:07:43.680 to the general public in this country.

00:07:47.260 How could that be?

00:07:48.580 And the answer is, we're not making the ammunition.

00:07:51.780 We have another supply chain disruption in this country

00:07:55.300 that's affecting the readiness, in my judgment,

00:07:58.080 at least, and I want to know yours, of our military.

00:08:02.420 Well, we're not making anything here.

00:08:03.960 It's the same thing in principle

00:08:06.780 as closing the Keystone Pipeline

00:08:09.240 and then begging OPEC to make more oil.

00:08:11.780 We can do it ourself.

00:08:14.000 We can manufacture ourself,

00:08:15.160 but someone somewhere will come up with how,

00:08:18.040 there are places in Coronado, California,

00:08:20.360 where Navy SEAL training,

00:08:21.880 basically underwater SEAL training is.

00:08:24.040 They knocked out, you know,

00:08:26.200 I don't know how much,

00:08:26.940 a whole bunch of land we could have been using

00:08:29.020 because of some domestic bumblebee.

00:08:32.080 You know, I don't know.

00:08:32.640 I'm probably wrong with what it was,

00:08:34.260 but it's something that's silly

00:08:35.000 that you can't get trained here

00:08:36.180 because of, you know,

00:08:37.240 some environmental protection agency restriction

00:08:40.000 and because of politicians,

00:08:41.060 they're just, they're cutting us off at the knees.

00:08:43.780 And I was back in 1996, you know,

00:08:45.740 that I got out in 2012.

00:08:48.840 And you can just see it coming.

00:08:51.160 And I mean, a great example I have right now

00:08:53.080 is watching the chairman of the Joint Chiefs,

00:08:54.700 Mark Milley,

00:08:55.180 when we left Afghanistan

00:08:57.300 and just the arrogance of,

00:09:00.420 well, you know, you can't touch us, whatever.

00:09:01.900 Like the way that I put it is

00:09:03.460 the Naval football team in Annapolis,

00:09:06.200 Naval Academy,

00:09:06.800 they went 0-2,

00:09:07.740 they immediately fired their offensive coordinator.

00:09:09.880 We get 13 people killed

00:09:11.180 in a very predictable and preventable attack

00:09:13.040 in the blink of an eye.

00:09:14.040 Not a person gets reprimanded

00:09:15.680 except the one officer

00:09:17.560 who asked for accountability.

00:09:19.920 Right.

00:09:20.440 The Marine who said point blank,

00:09:22.500 this isn't working

00:09:23.520 and we need accountability.

00:09:25.420 Our senior officers are getting a free pass,

00:09:27.760 even though we are seeing failure

00:09:29.580 after failure after failure.

00:09:33.200 It's stomach churning

00:09:34.360 for all of us who care about this country,

00:09:36.940 about our military,

00:09:38.580 to see what is happening.

00:09:39.920 And Mark Milley instead is,

00:09:42.140 still leads the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

00:09:44.460 He is a politician.

00:09:46.260 He has lied outright

00:09:47.580 to the United States Congress.

00:09:50.320 He continues to brag

00:09:52.880 that he not only called the counterparts

00:09:56.360 and the PLA of Communist China

00:10:00.340 to warn them

00:10:01.360 that there is some instability

00:10:03.040 in the upper levels of government

00:10:04.640 and that we might attack.

00:10:06.640 He said he'd do it all over again.

00:10:08.760 I know.

00:10:09.060 Which effectively breached

00:10:10.220 this country's fundamental,

00:10:12.280 fundamental commitment

00:10:13.780 to civilian leadership of the military.

00:10:16.480 It completely does too.

00:10:17.700 And that's, I mean,

00:10:18.200 that's all because they're fragile egos.

00:10:19.700 Once you get to a certain level

00:10:20.780 of being a senior officer,

00:10:22.180 I would say,

00:10:22.720 show me a four-star general

00:10:23.720 and I will show you

00:10:24.560 a minimum of 11 people

00:10:25.740 who are really good at kissing butt.

00:10:27.220 That's what it is.

00:10:28.220 And they're so fragile

00:10:28.980 because when, you know,

00:10:32.380 if I'm in the military

00:10:33.180 and I'm at the point

00:10:33.780 where I'm not carrying my own bags,

00:10:35.580 maybe I should be taking advice

00:10:36.800 from some junior enlisted people.

00:10:38.240 You're going to get better advice

00:10:39.060 from an E-5 in the Marine Corps

00:10:40.540 on the ground

00:10:41.020 than you are, you know,

00:10:42.020 a lieutenant general

00:10:42.700 because the general below him

00:10:45.320 is telling him

00:10:46.220 just what he wants to hear.

00:10:47.160 He's not telling the truth

00:10:47.900 and they're not even realizing that yet.

00:10:49.680 And a good leader is accountable.

00:10:53.300 And with Mark Milley,

00:10:54.460 it's one of two ways.

00:10:55.800 Either I told the president

00:10:56.940 not to do this

00:10:57.800 and he didn't

00:10:58.620 or he went against my advice

00:11:00.180 and it went like it went,

00:11:01.260 I'm resigning.

00:11:02.060 If I gave him that advice,

00:11:03.560 I should be fired

00:11:04.260 because I'm simply incompetent.

00:11:06.180 And it just didn't happen that way

00:11:07.580 and they were just,

00:11:08.620 it's amazing that they,

00:11:11.080 again, they take no blame.

00:11:12.520 There is no shame.

00:11:13.520 And I mean,

00:11:13.860 even think about this

00:11:14.940 and watching a year or two

00:11:16.440 when Mark Milley's out,

00:11:17.440 he's working for one

00:11:18.160 of these major contractors.

00:11:19.560 Isn't it convenient

00:11:20.240 that we left so much stuff

00:11:21.540 behind in Afghanistan

00:11:22.360 that now we just need

00:11:23.400 to make it again?

00:11:24.100 There's a couple hundred million

00:11:24.980 dollar contract

00:11:25.540 that I'm going to broker.

00:11:26.300 I mean,

00:11:26.920 it's really, really sick.

00:11:29.600 And we haven't won a war

00:11:31.220 since World War II.

00:11:32.940 And if you want to lose,

00:11:34.920 which we have,

00:11:35.780 involve these high-ranking officers,

00:11:37.600 people in suits on the beltway

00:11:38.900 and get a bunch of lawyers involved,

00:11:40.120 you're going to lose the war

00:11:40.760 and we've proven it

00:11:41.320 time and time again.

00:11:43.760 Yeah, unfortunately,

00:11:45.640 you're exactly right.

00:11:47.340 And Milley,

00:11:48.400 as he sits atop

00:11:49.400 the military

00:11:50.180 in this country,

00:11:53.020 sits atop it still

00:11:54.860 despite those 13 Marines

00:11:56.920 who died in Kabul.

00:11:59.800 That disastrous extrication

00:12:02.920 from Kabul,

00:12:03.980 it turned out to be

00:12:04.960 a disaster,

00:12:06.180 a catastrophe

00:12:06.760 that we could never have imagined.

00:12:09.280 And Milley stayed at the top

00:12:10.840 as where he is today.

00:12:12.620 The commandant,

00:12:13.740 as you pointed out,

00:12:14.700 that the Marine Corps

00:12:15.600 is now talking about

00:12:17.020 diversity and equity

00:12:19.240 and reflecting

00:12:21.380 the population

00:12:23.940 in the makeup

00:12:24.740 of the United States Marine Corps.

00:12:26.260 I've got news

00:12:27.060 for the commandant

00:12:28.220 and the rest of the people

00:12:29.540 who lead this military.

00:12:31.680 This country has never had

00:12:33.760 a military

00:12:35.000 that reflect the population.

00:12:37.180 We've had patriots

00:12:38.420 who stand up

00:12:39.220 and join the Marine Corps

00:12:40.520 and every other branch

00:12:42.440 of the service

00:12:43.160 to defend the nation

00:12:46.020 and to serve the nation.

00:12:48.240 And that has generally been,

00:12:50.260 by the way,

00:12:50.780 folks from the West

00:12:51.800 and from the Southeastern part

00:12:53.700 of the United States

00:12:54.720 predominantly.

00:12:55.900 And you can break it down

00:12:57.180 ethically or demographically.

00:12:58.960 And by the way,

00:12:59.480 you'll see a lot of Scots-Irish

00:13:00.960 in there as well

00:13:02.000 as you go through the mix.

00:13:05.500 This is nonsense.

00:13:07.220 And there is no

00:13:08.580 intellectual integrity

00:13:09.600 and there is no sense

00:13:11.020 of fact

00:13:11.660 or commitment to fact

00:13:13.280 when our military officers,

00:13:16.220 and I'm talking about

00:13:16.720 the general staff,

00:13:17.920 speak to the American people

00:13:19.500 almost without exception.

00:13:21.840 And let me ask you this, Rob.

00:13:23.800 First of all,

00:13:24.520 if you want to respond to that,

00:13:25.740 please do.

00:13:27.000 I agree with you completely, too.

00:13:28.440 And it's,

00:13:29.400 I think because

00:13:31.920 the military relies

00:13:33.700 so much on the funding

00:13:34.520 that comes from

00:13:35.320 the suits

00:13:37.180 and the beltway

00:13:38.020 that they know

00:13:39.560 it's free reign

00:13:40.660 for them

00:13:41.200 to do social experiments

00:13:43.160 on the military

00:13:44.180 because you have to do

00:13:45.160 what you're told.

00:13:45.620 I mean,

00:13:45.740 even with the vaccines,

00:13:47.200 you know,

00:13:47.460 they're punishing people.

00:13:48.420 They were talking about

00:13:49.400 dishonorable discharge

00:13:50.360 for not getting a vaccine.

00:13:51.440 Now, I mean,

00:13:51.940 I was different

00:13:52.420 when I was there

00:13:53.000 when we were invading

00:13:54.160 Iraq in 2003.

00:13:56.200 They were making us all

00:13:57.080 get smallpox and anthrax.

00:13:58.860 And I got them

00:13:59.620 just because I wanted to fight.

00:14:00.900 Like, you know,

00:14:01.220 I'm young and tough

00:14:03.020 and invincible.

00:14:04.320 But, you know,

00:14:05.880 I look back now

00:14:06.680 and I'm like,

00:14:07.040 there are people high up

00:14:07.780 in that administration

00:14:08.460 that had a lot of stock

00:14:09.480 in those companies

00:14:10.040 that are forcing us

00:14:10.700 to take their anthrax.

00:14:12.840 And it's just sick.

00:14:14.720 And it was never,

00:14:15.800 anthrax was never a problem

00:14:17.020 because it turns out

00:14:17.600 there were no weapons

00:14:18.300 of mass destruction.

00:14:19.100 And it's one of those things

00:14:20.080 with Iraq.

00:14:20.540 It's like, okay,

00:14:21.620 you know,

00:14:21.940 we never should have invaded,

00:14:23.760 but we also shouldn't have left

00:14:24.680 as quickly as we did.

00:14:25.680 And it's something

00:14:26.880 that they have a problem with

00:14:27.980 that I was a big believer

00:14:29.040 in a lot of the missions

00:14:30.200 I was in in real combat

00:14:31.420 where it doesn't matter

00:14:32.260 how and why we got here.

00:14:33.560 We're just here.

00:14:35.000 Now what do we do?

00:14:35.760 And they're just,

00:14:37.840 they're just,

00:14:38.380 they're focused,

00:14:39.680 most of it,

00:14:40.380 and again,

00:14:41.120 up to the politicians,

00:14:43.940 they really,

00:14:44.840 all they care about

00:14:45.620 is how do I improve

00:14:47.760 my personal life?

00:14:48.780 How do I get the next rung?

00:14:50.960 And how can I make more money?

00:14:52.140 I mean,

00:14:52.560 it's one,

00:14:53.220 it's again too,

00:14:53.940 and this has been said

00:14:54.620 time and time again,

00:14:55.300 and I've got to bring politicians

00:14:56.500 to do it

00:14:56.800 because they're involved

00:14:57.400 with combat.

00:14:57.840 It's like,

00:14:58.640 I don't really have a problem

00:15:00.180 with the very successful

00:15:01.160 businessman

00:15:01.680 who's already a millionaire

00:15:02.620 going into Congress.

00:15:03.700 The problem I have

00:15:04.800 is with someone

00:15:05.460 that doesn't have any money

00:15:06.680 and all of a sudden

00:15:07.100 they become a millionaire

00:15:08.120 in Congress

00:15:09.620 and it's there

00:15:10.280 and we see it.

00:15:10.960 It's sickening.

00:15:12.460 It seems,

00:15:13.480 and I can't speak to this

00:15:15.200 with great certainty,

00:15:16.380 but I have the sense

00:15:17.240 that the people

00:15:18.300 you're describing,

00:15:19.200 that is,

00:15:19.600 those who walked in

00:15:20.520 with a certain amount

00:15:21.320 of money

00:15:21.640 would walk out

00:15:22.340 with millions.

00:15:23.240 I think that's

00:15:24.000 the larger sample size

00:15:26.480 in the U.S. Congress

00:15:28.300 and as you say,

00:15:29.320 it's abominable.

00:15:30.660 It's just abominable.

00:15:31.800 And you have to

00:15:32.260 toe the party line

00:15:33.060 if you want

00:15:34.420 to get advanced

00:15:35.000 and everyone

00:15:35.360 should want

00:15:36.000 to get advanced,

00:15:36.580 but once you start

00:15:37.500 speaking out,

00:15:38.200 you're going to get canceled.

00:15:39.060 That's the same thing

00:15:39.440 in the military.

00:15:40.100 I mean,

00:15:40.320 it's getting worse,

00:15:42.620 but now just experimenting

00:15:43.840 on these people

00:15:44.520 that,

00:15:45.580 I mean,

00:15:46.260 you know,

00:15:46.860 we have people

00:15:47.720 in the military

00:15:48.320 who can't tell time

00:15:50.100 without looking

00:15:50.700 at their iPhone

00:15:51.540 and let alone

00:15:52.500 use a map and compass

00:15:53.400 and I try to tell,

00:15:54.280 I mean,

00:15:54.780 I've talked to senior guys

00:15:55.740 before,

00:15:56.140 even,

00:15:56.340 you know,

00:15:56.620 with Afghanistan

00:15:57.380 when we should have

00:15:58.220 gotten out,

00:15:58.860 but I said,

00:16:00.280 well,

00:16:00.400 what happens when

00:16:01.740 the electricity turns off

00:16:03.000 in electronic warfare?

00:16:05.200 They don't have an answer.

00:16:06.140 Well,

00:16:06.280 I guess I can't use

00:16:06.800 map and compass.

00:16:07.420 They don't know

00:16:07.640 how to use their kick count

00:16:08.340 when they're trying

00:16:08.720 to scuba dive

00:16:09.180 to put a bomb

00:16:09.860 on a ship.

00:16:11.260 Even when we invaded Iraq,

00:16:12.980 okay,

00:16:13.180 fine,

00:16:13.480 we're going to go

00:16:13.980 invade Iraq.

00:16:14.720 What's going to happen?

00:16:15.280 What's the end game?

00:16:16.040 They're like,

00:16:16.340 well,

00:16:16.820 the Shia are going

00:16:17.440 to rise up.

00:16:18.100 We're going to put

00:16:18.420 it into government.

00:16:19.020 Everything's going

00:16:19.360 to be fine.

00:16:20.280 And I started bringing up

00:16:21.320 how,

00:16:21.560 well,

00:16:21.640 remember when we

00:16:22.220 kind of screwed them

00:16:22.940 over when we went

00:16:24.120 into Kuwait

00:16:24.600 and left Saddam

00:16:25.160 to kill them,

00:16:25.600 who was a SUNY

00:16:26.980 and there's no

00:16:27.980 the Shia are going

00:16:28.460 to rise up

00:16:28.900 and me and the tactical

00:16:30.320 leaders are like,

00:16:31.180 okay,

00:16:31.460 what if they don't?

00:16:32.800 And they're like,

00:16:33.140 but they will.

00:16:33.740 Okay,

00:16:34.060 good,

00:16:34.580 but what if they don't?

00:16:35.640 But they will.

00:16:36.100 No,

00:16:36.280 but what if they don't?

00:16:38.180 And they just,

00:16:38.780 there's no outside

00:16:39.560 the box thinking there

00:16:40.460 and it's,

00:16:40.940 you know,

00:16:42.160 kiss someone's butt

00:16:42.860 and then this is the way

00:16:43.580 we've always done it.

00:16:45.440 I've asked two

00:16:46.420 commandants of West Point

00:16:48.660 at various points

00:16:50.100 over the years.

00:16:51.220 Do you teach yet?

00:16:54.840 And by the way,

00:16:55.940 West Point has a

00:16:56.640 terrific warriors

00:16:57.640 curricula

00:16:58.500 that is magnificent

00:17:00.480 and great warriors

00:17:03.360 lead much of that

00:17:05.260 teaching.

00:17:07.560 But they don't teach

00:17:08.680 what happens in failure,

00:17:10.620 what has caused failure,

00:17:12.660 what happened

00:17:13.440 in Afghanistan,

00:17:14.880 what happened

00:17:16.280 in the early days

00:17:17.860 of the Korean War

00:17:18.940 and how could we get

00:17:20.020 into so much

00:17:21.120 trouble so quickly

00:17:22.120 without understanding

00:17:24.360 what we're doing.

00:17:25.460 They don't teach failure.

00:17:26.820 I asked two commandants

00:17:28.180 at various points

00:17:28.920 over the years,

00:17:29.660 are you teaching failure?

00:17:31.420 And they said no.

00:17:33.100 And to the best

00:17:34.760 of my knowledge,

00:17:35.440 they still don't.

00:17:36.600 It's stunning.

00:17:37.780 I've talked to a lot

00:17:39.420 of officers recently

00:17:40.200 and don't get me wrong,

00:17:41.300 I hate the broad brush paint.

00:17:42.860 I mean,

00:17:42.960 there's some phenomenal officers.

00:17:44.240 I've worked with some

00:17:44.600 of the best officers

00:17:45.820 with whom I've served,

00:17:46.480 went to the Naval Academy,

00:17:47.300 went to West Point.

00:17:48.380 There are great officers

00:17:49.180 out there.

00:17:49.940 But, you know,

00:17:50.600 in order to get

00:17:51.100 to that fine tip

00:17:51.880 of the spear

00:17:52.260 as far as brass

00:17:52.920 on your shoulder,

00:17:53.520 you need to say

00:17:54.020 the right things.

00:17:55.060 And we were talking

00:17:56.300 about one of the guys

00:17:57.300 I was speaking with

00:17:58.220 was a colonel,

00:17:59.720 a Green Beret.

00:18:00.880 And when he said

00:18:01.440 the problem,

00:18:01.980 even at the war college,

00:18:03.460 they claim that

00:18:05.020 all they're teaching

00:18:05.540 is leadership

00:18:06.120 and that's fine leadership

00:18:07.100 in the hierarchy,

00:18:08.160 but you're not teaching

00:18:09.240 winning

00:18:09.700 and you're not teaching

00:18:11.180 losing.

00:18:12.340 And that's,

00:18:12.880 it's so obvious

00:18:13.980 because, you know,

00:18:15.040 you do win

00:18:15.600 from success sometimes,

00:18:17.400 but you should always

00:18:18.240 learn from failure.

00:18:18.920 Failure is the description

00:18:20.640 and I think we have

00:18:21.380 to apply to the withdrawal

00:18:22.600 of the United States

00:18:23.480 forces from Afghanistan.

00:18:27.120 The way we left,

00:18:29.620 I can't imagine

00:18:31.280 people in that region

00:18:32.960 ever forgetting

00:18:33.880 what the United States did.

00:18:36.320 your thoughts about that

00:18:39.580 and the absence

00:18:41.540 of any accountability

00:18:42.560 and how many people

00:18:44.920 do you understand?

00:18:46.840 How many Americans

00:18:47.700 and how many of our allies

00:18:49.800 have we left

00:18:50.740 to the mercy

00:18:51.700 of the Taliban?

00:18:53.000 Well, just because

00:18:53.640 of what we've done

00:18:55.540 with the Taliban

00:18:56.180 and ISIS,

00:18:56.720 we've also left Taiwan

00:18:57.700 out with China.

00:18:59.140 They know we're not

00:18:59.860 going to defend them.

00:19:00.720 Look at the Ukraine,

00:19:01.380 like we're saying,

00:19:01.980 Russia's moving.

00:19:03.040 I was talking to some

00:19:04.020 of my guys

00:19:04.460 that were on

00:19:04.860 the Bin Laden raid

00:19:06.100 and over the conversation

00:19:08.160 we said,

00:19:08.700 you know,

00:19:08.940 because the guys

00:19:09.700 at the planet,

00:19:10.380 our group of tactical

00:19:11.460 guys came up

00:19:12.000 with the best plan,

00:19:13.220 which by the way,

00:19:13.680 the plan didn't work

00:19:14.340 because a helicopter

00:19:15.060 crashed,

00:19:15.800 but we decided

00:19:16.880 if we took

00:19:18.320 that same team

00:19:19.160 and tried to come up

00:19:20.100 with what's the worst

00:19:21.000 possible way

00:19:21.800 to leave Afghanistan,

00:19:22.760 that's exactly

00:19:23.380 what we would have done,

00:19:24.000 the worst way.

00:19:24.860 And it's so bad

00:19:26.480 to the point

00:19:26.920 that even with

00:19:27.480 the Taliban,

00:19:28.400 when they had

00:19:28.980 those poor soldiers,

00:19:30.500 Marines,

00:19:30.900 and airmen out there,

00:19:31.820 and we're watching

00:19:33.680 it like they're

00:19:34.320 going to send

00:19:34.680 a suicide bomber in

00:19:35.600 because they're

00:19:36.220 pretty much lying

00:19:37.000 to us about

00:19:37.380 the difference

00:19:37.820 between the

00:19:38.280 Haqqani Network

00:19:38.800 Taliban and ISIS,

00:19:40.160 they're going to

00:19:40.460 have the Taliban

00:19:40.960 just say,

00:19:41.440 oh,

00:19:41.720 that was ISIS.

00:19:42.880 It's like,

00:19:43.140 are you kidding

00:19:44.320 me right now?

00:19:45.040 And then you get

00:19:46.080 bad intel on an

00:19:46.880 airstrike later

00:19:47.720 where you kill

00:19:48.480 an entire family.

00:19:49.680 All they were doing

00:19:50.200 was getting water

00:19:50.840 for the family,

00:19:51.700 but we got single

00:19:52.420 source intelligence,

00:19:53.300 yeah,

00:19:53.500 because it was

00:19:53.920 someone with a

00:19:54.420 blood feud against

00:19:55.140 them or the Taliban

00:19:55.880 saying,

00:19:56.560 watch what we can

00:19:57.140 make these idiot

00:19:57.680 Americans do.

00:19:58.440 We can make them

00:19:59.140 kill an innocent

00:19:59.580 family.

00:19:59.920 I mean,

00:20:01.920 if I was over

00:20:02.760 there,

00:20:03.080 I mean,

00:20:03.680 as opposed to

00:20:04.820 just running

00:20:05.280 for one of the

00:20:05.820 stands up to the

00:20:06.480 north,

00:20:07.140 I'm never working

00:20:07.980 with the Americans,

00:20:08.680 not in the short,

00:20:09.180 not now,

00:20:10.860 maybe,

00:20:11.380 who knows?

00:20:12.440 But it's,

00:20:13.020 I mean,

00:20:13.260 it was a complete

00:20:13.800 intelligence failure,

00:20:14.960 and again,

00:20:15.460 not on the intel

00:20:16.080 part because the

00:20:16.880 three-letter agency

00:20:18.180 people,

00:20:18.780 they said what's

00:20:20.120 going to happen

00:20:20.520 and they had to

00:20:21.900 get out of there

00:20:22.340 too and it's just

00:20:23.060 someone's up above

00:20:24.520 just like,

00:20:24.860 well,

00:20:25.280 President Biden

00:20:25.760 sure wants to

00:20:26.240 get out of here

00:20:26.720 by the 20th

00:20:27.620 anniversary of 9-11

00:20:28.480 and we better do it

00:20:29.500 and they also

00:20:30.240 realize that

00:20:30.940 because we're not

00:20:31.720 even really talking

00:20:32.340 about those 13

00:20:33.040 people who were

00:20:33.540 killed anymore,

00:20:33.980 we're not talking

00:20:34.520 about how many

00:20:34.940 Americans we left

00:20:35.560 behind and they

00:20:36.520 knew that if,

00:20:37.060 you know,

00:20:37.160 we'll forget about

00:20:37.680 it by the 20th

00:20:38.360 anniversary of 9-11,

00:20:39.460 we'll certainly

00:20:40.000 forget about it

00:20:40.600 by the midterms

00:20:41.320 next year.

00:20:42.440 Well,

00:20:42.860 I'll guarantee

00:20:43.280 you this,

00:20:43.900 this,

00:20:45.180 the Great America

00:20:46.460 show will not

00:20:47.160 be forgetting,

00:20:47.840 Rob,

00:20:48.060 and I think

00:20:49.120 there are a lot

00:20:49.520 of people

00:20:50.020 who are going

00:20:51.360 to surprise

00:20:53.440 many of our

00:20:54.440 friends in

00:20:54.900 Washington

00:20:55.300 by not,

00:20:55.840 not forgetting

00:20:56.720 and insisting

00:20:58.620 on people

00:20:59.860 being held

00:21:00.420 to account

00:21:01.000 for what

00:21:01.760 was an

00:21:02.560 utter

00:21:02.820 catastrophe.

00:21:04.140 That was.

00:21:05.300 It's,

00:21:06.520 let's turn

00:21:07.300 to,

00:21:08.260 if we may,

00:21:09.780 to Taiwan.

00:21:11.460 We just

00:21:12.480 have heard

00:21:13.540 the PLA

00:21:14.840 and the CCP

00:21:15.400 together

00:21:16.200 threaten

00:21:17.080 Australia

00:21:17.800 that if

00:21:18.960 they were

00:21:20.180 to in any

00:21:20.860 way

00:21:21.280 defend Taiwan

00:21:22.940 when the

00:21:24.520 Chinese

00:21:25.000 ultimately

00:21:25.660 decide

00:21:26.280 to invade

00:21:27.200 Taiwan

00:21:27.700 and end

00:21:28.240 their

00:21:28.460 independence,

00:21:29.200 their sovereignty,

00:21:30.500 that they

00:21:30.980 will be

00:21:31.400 attacked

00:21:31.920 hard,

00:21:32.640 as the

00:21:33.240 Chinese

00:21:33.820 communists

00:21:34.920 put it.

00:21:35.680 Your thoughts

00:21:36.440 about the

00:21:37.040 level of

00:21:37.380 our commitment

00:21:37.980 and our

00:21:38.760 level of

00:21:39.540 capability

00:21:40.500 to meet

00:21:41.680 that commitment?

00:21:42.760 Our Navy

00:21:43.280 is incredible,

00:21:44.400 and if given,

00:21:45.440 we're designed

00:21:46.280 to beat,

00:21:47.440 obviously,

00:21:48.080 naval forces,

00:21:48.860 but our Marine

00:21:49.340 Corps and our

00:21:49.800 Army and Air

00:21:50.280 Force are

00:21:50.580 designed to

00:21:50.960 beat large,

00:21:51.760 we're designed

00:21:52.240 to large

00:21:52.760 armies.

00:21:54.640 If we had

00:21:55.820 the commitment,

00:21:56.400 which we've

00:21:56.720 proven that

00:21:57.100 we don't,

00:21:58.140 we'd be fine

00:21:58.920 because all

00:21:59.320 you need right

00:21:59.720 now is to

00:22:00.100 have a

00:22:00.980 couple of

00:22:01.520 amphib ships

00:22:02.240 in Taiwan

00:22:03.360 doing exercises

00:22:04.160 just to have

00:22:04.560 American boots

00:22:05.200 on the ground

00:22:05.540 to prove that

00:22:05.960 we're willing

00:22:06.320 to back them,

00:22:06.780 which we

00:22:06.980 don't have.

00:22:08.240 We just

00:22:08.880 had that

00:22:09.240 debacle

00:22:09.620 with the

00:22:10.340 submarine

00:22:10.700 deal between

00:22:11.360 France and

00:22:12.040 Australia's

00:22:12.640 trying to

00:22:12.860 get subs

00:22:13.240 because it

00:22:13.820 could be

00:22:14.320 coming to

00:22:14.620 them because

00:22:14.940 they're the

00:22:15.260 closest.

00:22:16.440 And we

00:22:17.460 simply have

00:22:17.920 a president

00:22:18.360 who says,

00:22:18.840 oh,

00:22:18.960 I didn't

00:22:19.120 know.

00:22:19.540 It's like,

00:22:19.740 okay,

00:22:19.920 good.

00:22:20.160 The commander

00:22:22.760 in the

00:22:24.860 world view,

00:22:25.700 China is

00:22:27.060 the biggest

00:22:27.700 threat.

00:22:29.180 But you

00:22:29.680 got to

00:22:29.900 figure,

00:22:30.300 so if

00:22:30.440 they're

00:22:31.520 after

00:22:32.740 Australia,

00:22:33.360 who's next?

00:22:33.820 That's

00:22:34.020 Japan.

00:22:35.140 And there's

00:22:36.160 a pretty

00:22:36.840 rocky history

00:22:37.660 between Japan

00:22:38.460 and China.

00:22:39.700 And so you're

00:22:40.140 talking about

00:22:40.540 some pretty

00:22:40.840 serious stuff.

00:22:41.380 And the way

00:22:42.200 that we

00:22:42.700 defeat this

00:22:44.520 kind of stuff

00:22:45.000 is strength

00:22:45.660 through force.

00:22:46.400 It's deterrence,

00:22:47.180 forward defense

00:22:47.960 and alliance

00:22:48.400 solidarity.

00:22:49.720 And we're

00:22:50.420 just,

00:22:51.020 we're giving

00:22:52.080 all of that

00:22:52.760 up for

00:22:53.180 political

00:22:53.640 gains of

00:22:54.120 a few

00:22:54.660 individuals

00:22:55.180 and then

00:22:55.540 because of

00:22:56.680 political

00:22:57.100 correctness.

00:22:58.160 They don't

00:22:59.100 want us,

00:22:59.720 we used to

00:23:00.160 have to

00:23:00.420 fill out

00:23:00.820 shooter

00:23:01.320 statement

00:23:01.660 for killing

00:23:02.180 Al-Qaeda

00:23:02.760 and make

00:23:03.660 some Afghans

00:23:04.540 write a

00:23:06.100 statement for

00:23:06.760 us and

00:23:07.160 then sign

00:23:07.580 it.

00:23:07.960 They couldn't

00:23:08.580 even sign

00:23:09.360 their own

00:23:09.740 name.

00:23:10.140 They'd

00:23:10.280 sign an

00:23:10.620 X.

00:23:10.960 I doubt

00:23:11.400 he wrote

00:23:11.860 it.

00:23:12.620 But it's

00:23:13.140 because of

00:23:13.740 wokeness,

00:23:14.280 political

00:23:14.500 correctness.

00:23:15.080 Don't kill

00:23:15.640 him too

00:23:15.880 mean.

00:23:16.940 And we're

00:23:17.700 turning inward.

00:23:18.460 We're really

00:23:18.920 good at

00:23:19.160 making rules

00:23:19.780 that we force

00:23:20.320 ourselves to

00:23:20.800 follow and

00:23:21.120 then we'll

00:23:21.360 throw our

00:23:21.700 own guys

00:23:22.080 in jail

00:23:22.420 for murder,

00:23:23.100 which we've

00:23:23.500 seen.

00:23:24.320 But we

00:23:24.660 won't attack

00:23:25.120 the enemy

00:23:26.200 with brute

00:23:26.620 force in

00:23:26.920 the first

00:23:27.160 six months.

00:23:27.600 We're really

00:23:27.900 good at

00:23:28.160 that.

00:23:28.420 But then

00:23:28.580 we don't

00:23:28.780 know what

00:23:29.020 to do

00:23:29.240 with

00:23:29.380 ourselves.

00:23:29.700 We don't

00:23:29.860 know how

00:23:29.980 to win,

00:23:30.340 like we

00:23:30.560 were saying

00:23:30.740 earlier.

00:23:32.160 A perfect

00:23:33.380 example is

00:23:34.640 Afghanistan.

00:23:36.420 What was

00:23:37.140 done by

00:23:37.560 special forces

00:23:38.480 and the

00:23:39.020 CIA and

00:23:41.700 the other

00:23:42.520 intelligence

00:23:43.020 agencies in

00:23:44.060 Afghanistan

00:23:44.780 from 2001

00:23:47.800 to 2002

00:23:48.740 is a

00:23:50.060 textbook.

00:23:51.120 for how

00:23:51.480 to avoid

00:23:52.040 what became

00:23:52.960 the doctrine

00:23:53.520 of the U.S.

00:23:54.160 military,

00:23:54.580 the so-called

00:23:55.080 long war.

00:23:56.380 I have to

00:23:57.160 ask you,

00:23:58.400 David Petraeus,

00:23:59.420 obviously the

00:24:00.460 author of

00:24:01.000 that, I have

00:24:02.320 said so many

00:24:03.040 years that I

00:24:03.700 have never heard

00:24:04.400 of anything so

00:24:05.080 stupid in my

00:24:05.840 life as the

00:24:07.620 doctrine of

00:24:08.520 long war.

00:24:09.800 Every general,

00:24:10.700 everyone I've

00:24:11.340 ever known has

00:24:12.860 always said that

00:24:14.320 the purpose is to

00:24:15.420 kill the enemy

00:24:16.160 and to do so as

00:24:17.080 quickly as

00:24:17.660 possible to

00:24:18.720 achieve the

00:24:19.420 objective and

00:24:21.200 here we are

00:24:21.980 with a

00:24:22.660 doctrine that

00:24:23.320 is really

00:24:23.740 just rationalization

00:24:24.880 of incompetence

00:24:25.860 and pathetic

00:24:26.420 leadership on

00:24:27.640 the part of

00:24:28.020 the U.S.

00:24:28.600 military, in

00:24:29.980 my opinion.

00:24:31.060 What is your

00:24:31.400 opinion?

00:24:31.460 I agree too.

00:24:32.740 I'll give you an

00:24:33.400 example of on the

00:24:34.200 battlefield.

00:24:35.460 We were the

00:24:36.140 guys that went

00:24:36.880 through the front

00:24:37.320 door to catch

00:24:37.840 Al-Qaeda on

00:24:38.980 their heels and

00:24:40.380 we had a

00:24:41.020 technique.

00:24:41.560 They actually had

00:24:42.000 to change us

00:24:42.560 because it was

00:24:42.980 too mean.

00:24:43.360 We used to

00:24:43.680 call it

00:24:43.980 battlefield

00:24:44.420 interrogation,

00:24:45.660 which means you

00:24:46.260 get them there,

00:24:46.820 you separate the

00:24:47.560 guys and then it

00:24:48.520 was very simple.

00:24:49.240 I'm not beating

00:24:50.180 them up or

00:24:50.560 anything.

00:24:51.140 I'm separating

00:24:51.760 them.

00:24:52.020 I'm asking them

00:24:52.540 five very simple

00:24:53.340 questions.

00:24:54.140 Who's the man of

00:24:54.640 the house?

00:24:55.240 Who are the men

00:24:55.680 in the house?

00:24:56.180 And what are

00:24:56.520 their names?

00:24:57.260 Boom, boom, boom.

00:24:58.000 Ask all seven

00:24:58.680 guys that.

00:24:59.260 You got two guys

00:24:59.860 that tell you

00:25:00.200 something different.

00:25:00.720 They're your

00:25:00.980 liars.

00:25:01.520 And you catch

00:25:02.060 them so scared

00:25:02.820 they're going to

00:25:03.240 start to tell you

00:25:03.900 where the rest of

00:25:04.420 the bad guys are.

00:25:05.020 So that's an

00:25:05.700 interrogation.

00:25:06.400 Boom, I caught

00:25:06.960 you.

00:25:07.340 I beat you

00:25:07.780 quickly.

00:25:08.300 You told me

00:25:08.720 what I wanted to

00:25:09.540 hear.

00:25:10.140 And then we go

00:25:10.520 to follow on

00:25:11.080 targets.

00:25:11.420 Now, those

00:25:12.120 same guys, the

00:25:13.160 longer we have

00:25:14.080 them, they go to

00:25:15.040 Guantanamo Bay.

00:25:16.320 Now, all of a

00:25:16.920 sudden, they got

00:25:17.340 U.S.

00:25:17.860 attorneys and JAG

00:25:18.740 officers defending

00:25:19.580 them.

00:25:20.020 They get 23 hours a

00:25:21.340 day outside in the

00:25:22.060 sun playing soccer,

00:25:23.480 realizing that we're

00:25:25.060 going to win this

00:25:25.560 fight because they're

00:25:26.040 going to get us back

00:25:28.260 to the jihad

00:25:28.800 eventually.

00:25:29.320 But for now, I'll

00:25:29.900 enjoy this Cuban

00:25:30.560 sunshine.

00:25:31.500 Because the longer

00:25:32.220 you're involved, the

00:25:33.500 more they see.

00:25:34.140 And the more they

00:25:34.780 see.

00:25:34.940 It's not just, I

00:25:35.900 mean, Al-Qaeda and

00:25:37.580 Taliban aren't the

00:25:39.300 only ones who see

00:25:39.840 how stupid we are.

00:25:40.720 Russia and China

00:25:41.880 are watching.

00:25:42.540 And they're doing

00:25:42.920 everything they can

00:25:43.600 behind the scenes to

00:25:44.260 make sure that they

00:25:45.520 just drag it.

00:25:46.320 We did it to them

00:25:46.960 when they were fighting

00:25:48.200 the Mujahideen in

00:25:48.860 Afghanistan.

00:25:49.400 And we're sending

00:25:49.720 stuff to Pakistan,

00:25:51.420 another play.

00:25:52.440 That's an entirely

00:25:52.960 different episode.

00:25:54.080 But the longer

00:25:55.420 you're in there, the

00:25:56.120 more they read you.

00:25:57.100 And you're going to

00:25:58.000 do worse, especially

00:25:58.780 than you get a

00:25:59.480 public, like we've

00:26:00.040 proven in Vietnam,

00:26:00.860 all of a sudden,

00:26:01.520 these college kids

00:26:02.180 who don't know

00:26:02.560 anything except what

00:26:03.660 they've been taught

00:26:04.140 by some dude in the

00:26:04.880 classroom that's never

00:26:05.560 done anything.

00:26:06.620 You know, the

00:26:07.040 uprising in the

00:26:07.860 streets and all this

00:26:08.360 stuff, and we have

00:26:08.800 no choice but to

00:26:09.360 back, you can tell

00:26:10.620 even by the way

00:26:11.140 I'm talking right

00:26:11.780 now, I can hear

00:26:12.300 myself bogging my

00:26:13.340 arguments down.

00:26:15.140 No, no, you're not

00:26:16.540 bogging it down.

00:26:17.300 You're taking account

00:26:18.200 of 360-degree view

00:26:21.100 of the battlefield.

00:26:22.180 The fact is, what

00:26:23.940 you're describing, I

00:26:24.860 think, is what nearly

00:26:26.440 every American senses.

00:26:29.880 Even if we can't see

00:26:32.020 it exactly clearly

00:26:33.440 right now, because

00:26:34.400 there is so much

00:26:35.260 fog, and much of

00:26:36.080 that fog generated

00:26:37.040 by our own leaders so

00:26:38.320 that we don't

00:26:39.000 recognize the reality

00:26:40.780 this nation faces.

00:26:43.060 Rob, I can't express

00:26:44.420 adequately my

00:26:45.520 gratitude for you

00:26:46.340 joining us here

00:26:47.020 today.

00:26:47.580 Of course.

00:26:47.920 I look forward to

00:26:49.260 our next discussion,

00:26:50.400 and I thank you for

00:26:51.160 sharing your

00:26:52.360 perspective with the

00:26:54.040 audience of the

00:26:54.880 Great America Show.

00:26:56.920 Thank you so much.

00:26:58.500 Rob O'Neill,

00:26:59.700 national hero.

00:27:01.460 Thank you, sir.

00:27:01.840 Well, thank you,

00:27:02.820 Lou.

00:27:02.920 It's great to be here,

00:27:03.620 and like I said,

00:27:04.180 anytime.

00:27:05.420 You got a deal.

00:27:06.420 Thank you.

00:27:06.720 Thank you.

00:27:07.540 Rob O'Neill.

00:27:08.880 I think maybe a lot

00:27:10.280 of people are

00:27:10.720 surprised at the

00:27:11.940 depth of his

00:27:12.700 knowledge and his

00:27:13.720 absolute clear,

00:27:16.900 sighted view of our

00:27:18.700 military leadership and

00:27:20.380 the enemies and

00:27:21.500 challenges and threats

00:27:22.680 that this country

00:27:23.420 faces.

00:27:24.600 That's why, as he

00:27:26.300 intimated, we'll be

00:27:28.540 inviting him here

00:27:29.400 often and regularly.

00:27:31.760 We will continue with

00:27:33.420 the Great America Show

00:27:34.680 in just moments.

00:27:35.800 Please stay with us.

00:27:38.400 Well, one of the

00:27:39.040 principal missions of

00:27:40.540 this podcast is to

00:27:41.820 keep in constant view

00:27:43.060 what a great country

00:27:44.520 we're blessed to live

00:27:45.520 in.

00:27:46.120 We have far too many

00:27:47.480 on the left trying to

00:27:49.000 run down America,

00:27:50.200 and yes, run down our

00:27:51.520 citizens who work hard

00:27:53.220 for their families and

00:27:54.360 communities and this

00:27:55.540 nation.

00:27:56.320 The sour and

00:27:57.580 destructive national

00:27:58.720 left-wing media tries to

00:28:00.360 keep us all focused on

00:28:01.820 our shortcomings, our

00:28:02.980 flaws, and our failures,

00:28:04.300 others rather than our

00:28:05.620 hundreds of years of

00:28:06.820 success, prosperity, and

00:28:08.260 opportunity that we've

00:28:09.360 created for all our

00:28:10.920 citizens and indeed now

00:28:12.380 most of the world.

00:28:13.760 I believe we should be in

00:28:14.920 a festive mood most of

00:28:16.360 the time celebrating who

00:28:17.720 we are, how far we've

00:28:19.360 come, and all that we've

00:28:20.620 achieved for one another

00:28:21.940 and billions of people

00:28:23.560 around the globe.

00:28:25.320 You know Iran, of all

00:28:26.600 countries, is celebrating

00:28:28.060 this week firing off

00:28:29.420 torpedoes, missiles, and

00:28:31.040 drones, and war games.

00:28:32.360 The Iranian military

00:28:33.980 games are called

00:28:35.040 Zulfakhir.

00:28:36.420 Over the past few days,

00:28:37.920 Iran has launched their

00:28:39.280 anti-ship missiles firing

00:28:40.800 anti-aircraft systems, and

00:28:43.180 Iranian submarines even

00:28:44.740 firing their torpedoes that

00:28:46.620 mock targets underwater.

00:28:49.160 The U.S. Navy did,

00:28:50.760 though, in a way beat the

00:28:51.980 Iranians to the festivities,

00:28:53.960 our Navy carrying out its

00:28:55.340 annual live-fire exercises in

00:28:57.560 the Persian Gulf a week ahead

00:28:59.620 of the Iranians.

00:29:00.520 The Iranian military drills

00:29:02.760 follow news that the

00:29:04.020 Iranians have now

00:29:05.300 substantial stockpiles of

00:29:07.040 enriched uranium, claiming

00:29:08.980 over the past year they've

00:29:10.020 been producing 20% enriched

00:29:11.880 uranium.

00:29:12.680 That's disturbing enough, but

00:29:14.560 the U.N.'s International

00:29:15.620 Energy Agency now reports

00:29:18.000 the Iranians are enriching

00:29:19.660 uranium above 60%,

00:29:21.580 putting the Iranians

00:29:23.280 perilously close to the 90%

00:29:26.160 enrichment level, which is

00:29:28.160 required for weapons-grade

00:29:29.860 material.

00:29:31.400 Joining us now to take up

00:29:32.960 the Iran deal, the Middle

00:29:34.840 East, the national security

00:29:36.380 threats posed primarily by

00:29:37.980 communist China and Russia,

00:29:40.460 is Fred Flights.

00:29:41.800 Fred is the president and CEO

00:29:43.440 of the Center for Security

00:29:44.540 Policy, previously served as

00:29:47.060 deputy assistant to President

00:29:48.460 Donald Trump, chief of staff

00:29:50.360 for National Security Advisor

00:29:52.220 John Bolton.

00:29:53.820 Fred has served in national

00:29:55.240 security posts for a quarter

00:29:56.620 century working for the CIA,

00:29:59.500 the Defense Intelligence

00:30:00.660 Agency, the Department of

00:30:02.060 State, and House Intelligence

00:30:03.860 Committee.

00:30:04.800 He's a graduate of St.

00:30:05.840 Joseph's University, a

00:30:07.140 master's from Fordham, author

00:30:09.020 of numerous books and

00:30:10.160 articles, and we are pleased to

00:30:11.980 talk with you today, Fred.

00:30:13.580 Great to have you on the Great

00:30:14.860 America Show.

00:30:16.240 And let's begin with Iran and

00:30:19.200 the JPCOA, as it's lovingly

00:30:22.440 referred to, the Iran deal.

00:30:27.360 Why is it Biden can't get

00:30:28.960 anything moving on the deal

00:30:31.300 with the Iranians?

00:30:32.840 He's obviously a fan of theirs.

00:30:35.240 Lou, thank you so much for

00:30:36.540 having me on the show.

00:30:37.560 Let me say, I'm so glad you're

00:30:39.840 back on the air.

00:30:41.940 This country's in trouble.

00:30:43.120 We need you.

00:30:43.980 We need you badly.

00:30:46.120 Well, the threat from Iran has

00:30:48.580 gotten significantly worse under

00:30:50.680 Joe Biden.

00:30:51.620 The Iranians seem as if they

00:30:53.360 think they can intimidate the

00:30:55.000 heck out of Biden to get a

00:30:56.800 complete capitulation by the

00:30:58.380 United States, not just on

00:31:00.380 the nuclear deal, not just on

00:31:02.000 dropping sanctions, but I think

00:31:03.500 Iran would like cash payments.

00:31:06.200 And it looked for a while that

00:31:08.120 the Biden administration was

00:31:09.520 thinking about this.

00:31:10.500 And the situation got even worse

00:31:12.200 with the election by Ibrahim

00:31:14.360 Raisi in June, a very hardline

00:31:17.760 Iranian who is actually under

00:31:19.880 international sanctions for his

00:31:21.820 involvement in terrorism.

00:31:22.960 And he's filled his cabinet with

00:31:25.040 other fellow terrorists and

00:31:26.400 people who the world would like

00:31:27.620 to arrest for involving

00:31:29.360 illegal activities.

00:31:31.440 Biden came in with a really

00:31:33.000 naive view that the Iranians

00:31:34.880 would love him.

00:31:36.100 And because he wasn't Trump,

00:31:37.300 they would immediately rejoin

00:31:38.900 Obama's terrible nuclear deal.

00:31:40.520 But the problem is, Lou, the

00:31:42.100 Iranians hate America.

00:31:43.940 They hated Donald Trump, but they

00:31:45.460 still hate America with Biden

00:31:46.880 as president.

00:31:47.480 And the Biden administration,

00:31:49.060 they just don't have a clue about

00:31:51.180 how the Iranians operate and how

00:31:53.060 dangerous the threat from Iran is

00:31:54.640 becoming.

00:31:56.200 Yeah, it's and at the same time,

00:31:58.920 there is these reports, as I said,

00:32:01.200 from the IAEA, the UN Energy

00:32:03.940 Agency, saying they're processing

00:32:07.360 with regularity and considerable

00:32:09.480 success, 60 percent and above

00:32:12.980 levels of enriched uranium moving

00:32:16.760 toward that 90 percent required

00:32:18.660 for nuclear weapons material.

00:32:23.380 This and this is going right now

00:32:25.420 with that comment from the Biden

00:32:27.520 administration.

00:32:28.840 What is your your thought about

00:32:31.040 where we're headed?

00:32:32.580 It is an unprecedented surge in

00:32:34.500 Iran's nuclear weapons program in

00:32:36.520 2021 during the Biden presidency.

00:32:39.760 Enriched uranium to 60 percent

00:32:42.480 uranium 235 is 90 percent of the

00:32:45.480 way to making weapons

00:32:47.620 grade uranium.

00:32:49.180 And right now, according to I did

00:32:50.900 a podcast myself last week with

00:32:52.660 David Albright, who heads an

00:32:54.340 organization that monitors Iran's

00:32:56.160 nuclear program.

00:32:57.200 He believes Iran could have enough

00:32:59.040 weapons grade uranium for one

00:33:00.680 weapon in less than a month and

00:33:02.560 could have enough for two more

00:33:03.960 weapons in about six to eight

00:33:06.360 weeks and could conduct an

00:33:08.040 underground nuclear test within

00:33:09.520 six months.

00:33:10.300 That's how bad this is.

00:33:11.900 But, you know, Fred, many people

00:33:14.060 listening to

00:33:15.500 to us here, you

00:33:18.480 know, they're saying, wait a

00:33:19.480 minute, I've been told for the

00:33:21.340 past six, seven years that

00:33:23.480 we're six months away

00:33:24.680 from watching the Iranians

00:33:26.760 produce a nuclear

00:33:28.640 weapon.

00:33:30.160 It just hasn't happened.

00:33:32.000 And that and the horizon

00:33:33.380 seemed to be sort of frozen at six

00:33:35.480 months.

00:33:35.900 What are people to think about

00:33:38.280 the reliability of these

00:33:39.900 estimates and the horizon

00:33:41.600 of a completed

00:33:43.680 weapon by Iran?

00:33:45.900 I think that's a fair point.

00:33:47.500 And there's a lot we don't know

00:33:48.700 about Iran's nuclear program.

00:33:50.160 The fact that nuclear fuel doesn't

00:33:51.760 mean their nuclear weapon would

00:33:53.060 work.

00:33:54.000 We also know that the Israelis are

00:33:56.040 taking no chances.

00:33:57.620 They've engaged in a huge campaign

00:33:59.840 of sabotage against Iran's

00:34:01.980 nuclear program over the last

00:34:03.780 couple of years.

00:34:04.600 This included assassinating

00:34:06.060 Iran's top nuclear scientists

00:34:07.920 with a remote control machine

00:34:09.440 gun late last year.

00:34:11.060 So you're right.

00:34:12.540 We've heard these claims

00:34:14.260 over and over again.

00:34:16.000 But frankly, I don't think

00:34:17.660 the world wants to take any

00:34:18.880 chances of Iran having this

00:34:20.240 capability.

00:34:21.240 But I'll admit to you, we just

00:34:23.280 don't know for sure.

00:34:24.640 Well, I mean, this

00:34:25.520 administration, for example,

00:34:27.320 just killed 10 people

00:34:28.920 in Afghanistan

00:34:31.760 as they're exiting

00:34:33.120 with empty aircraft

00:34:34.260 and leaving Americans

00:34:36.380 and others behind

00:34:37.780 with some of the people

00:34:40.640 who depended upon us

00:34:42.060 for their security

00:34:42.780 hanging on to C-17As

00:34:45.500 and falling to their deaths

00:34:46.880 as the plane

00:34:48.700 rose above the airport.

00:34:51.000 I mean,

00:34:51.900 and then those 10 people

00:34:53.840 that were supposed to have been

00:34:55.100 killed in retribution,

00:34:57.460 if you will,

00:34:58.480 turned out to have been

00:34:59.460 mostly women and children.

00:35:00.820 We can't,

00:35:02.460 we have no intelligence

00:35:04.100 of any quality,

00:35:06.140 even in Afghanistan,

00:35:07.900 let alone Iran.

00:35:09.320 I don't think we had

00:35:09.960 very good intelligence

00:35:10.980 in Afghanistan.

00:35:11.940 But I also think that

00:35:13.000 some of the actions

00:35:13.920 that were taken

00:35:14.600 while we were occupying

00:35:17.000 the airport in Kabul,

00:35:18.900 the intel on that

00:35:20.260 was very poor.

00:35:21.340 And there should not have been

00:35:22.380 the attacks that were ordered,

00:35:24.140 the drone strike,

00:35:26.080 for example,

00:35:26.860 that was just done

00:35:28.160 to make Biden look good.

00:35:29.220 No one should have acted

00:35:30.420 on that intelligence.

00:35:31.500 We don't have any intelligence

00:35:32.720 in Afghanistan at all right now.

00:35:35.080 Well, it didn't make him

00:35:36.400 look very good, did it?

00:35:38.060 Well, I think Biden

00:35:39.540 running back tough

00:35:40.460 and what a surprise.

00:35:43.940 There's suddenly a drone strike

00:35:45.140 and, you know,

00:35:46.180 we didn't have sources

00:35:47.000 on the ground

00:35:47.540 to confirm

00:35:48.140 who the strike was.

00:35:49.500 And this idea

00:35:50.100 of the over-horizon capability

00:35:51.960 with drones

00:35:52.600 that fly eight hours

00:35:53.840 over Afghanistan

00:35:55.060 to take out terrorists,

00:35:56.700 but the people I know

00:35:58.020 in the field

00:35:58.440 think that that's

00:35:59.100 just really foolish.

00:35:59.980 It's not going to work.

00:36:01.260 Well, under the Obama-Biden

00:36:03.040 administration,

00:36:03.860 that was brought

00:36:04.540 to a high level

00:36:06.520 of tactic

00:36:09.440 and used,

00:36:12.460 well, with regularity,

00:36:14.620 almost constantly

00:36:15.660 to attack

00:36:17.240 the enemies

00:36:19.920 of the Afghans

00:36:22.620 and ourselves.

00:36:24.000 But, you know,

00:36:26.060 I can't understand

00:36:27.440 why there is

00:36:28.760 such confusion

00:36:30.000 and just absolute chaos

00:36:33.740 in this administration.

00:36:35.800 In all of that time,

00:36:37.420 in Kabul,

00:36:38.100 the withdrawal

00:36:38.660 from Afghanistan,

00:36:40.860 he's made this country

00:36:41.660 look like fools.

00:36:43.860 He has behaved like one

00:36:45.680 and is a laughingstock

00:36:47.840 for a number of reasons

00:36:48.900 all around the globe.

00:36:50.420 This is a very serious issue

00:36:52.420 because he needs

00:36:53.300 to be leading

00:36:53.920 the U.S.

00:36:54.720 and our allies

00:36:55.720 toward confronting

00:36:57.240 the geopolitical

00:36:58.920 and military challenges

00:37:00.440 of communist China,

00:37:02.940 of Russia.

00:37:04.400 He's not a leader

00:37:05.520 of his own people,

00:37:06.540 let alone a leader

00:37:08.040 of the Western world.

00:37:11.640 Biden is proving

00:37:12.880 to the world,

00:37:13.740 to our enemies,

00:37:14.780 how weak

00:37:15.380 and incompetent

00:37:16.080 he is day after day.

00:37:18.500 And that's why

00:37:20.160 we saw so many

00:37:21.240 abstinences

00:37:21.840 at the G20 summit

00:37:23.080 and this climate summit

00:37:24.600 in Europe.

00:37:26.040 Foreign leaders

00:37:26.460 don't want to meet

00:37:27.100 with Biden.

00:37:27.600 There's no point.

00:37:28.380 Why go to a meeting

00:37:29.560 like this when the U.S.

00:37:30.600 doesn't have any

00:37:31.300 serious policies

00:37:32.140 and does not have

00:37:33.080 a serious president?

00:37:34.240 But making this worse,

00:37:35.600 Lou,

00:37:36.100 is the weak team he has.

00:37:37.880 Anthony Blinken,

00:37:39.140 Jake Sullivan.

00:37:40.120 These people are

00:37:40.880 third string at best.

00:37:42.380 And so Biden,

00:37:43.260 not only is he weak,

00:37:44.560 he's surrounded

00:37:45.320 by really weak advisors

00:37:46.820 without a serious foreign policy

00:37:48.700 and this is opening

00:37:50.020 windows of opportunities

00:37:51.840 for our enemies

00:37:52.960 to do things

00:37:53.800 they would never attempt

00:37:54.820 under a competent president.

00:37:56.720 And as much as we must

00:37:57.780 be deeply concerned

00:38:00.320 about our enemies,

00:38:01.680 it looks like we should

00:38:02.580 be very concerned

00:38:03.320 about our enemies

00:38:04.120 and our mutual friends.

00:38:07.020 In this case,

00:38:08.180 France and Germany.

00:38:09.820 The reports this week

00:38:11.280 that they are producing

00:38:13.720 MTU and man,

00:38:15.420 diesel engines

00:38:17.120 for the Chinese,

00:38:19.620 or as they put it,

00:38:21.380 the PLA's Navy.

00:38:24.440 These ships,

00:38:25.520 355 of them,

00:38:27.460 many of them now powered

00:38:28.780 by German

00:38:30.360 and French

00:38:31.620 diesel engines.

00:38:33.300 What in the world

00:38:34.340 are we putting up

00:38:35.260 with here?

00:38:36.580 This isn't the first time

00:38:37.900 we've seen European companies

00:38:39.640 do things like this,

00:38:41.340 put trade ahead

00:38:42.520 of international security.

00:38:43.980 And I think we know

00:38:45.180 very well, Lou,

00:38:46.100 if Donald Trump

00:38:47.300 was still president,

00:38:48.480 he would read

00:38:49.160 these nations,

00:38:49.860 the Riot Act,

00:38:50.540 he would make them pay.

00:38:52.040 But Germany and France

00:38:53.020 know nothing will happen

00:38:54.600 if they sell stuff

00:38:55.880 like this to China

00:38:56.660 during the Biden presidency.

00:38:57.760 And the Chinese

00:39:00.420 making it also very clear

00:39:02.220 as they build up

00:39:03.920 their ships,

00:39:05.100 they're a naval power now.

00:39:07.340 The United States

00:39:08.060 is the second largest

00:39:09.440 navy power

00:39:10.520 because the Chinese

00:39:11.600 are building,

00:39:13.280 it seems like,

00:39:14.020 a ship a week

00:39:14.980 to put into action.

00:39:19.840 They've caught up

00:39:21.540 with us at least

00:39:22.480 in a number of areas

00:39:23.860 in space.

00:39:24.620 They're proceeding

00:39:26.260 with launch

00:39:26.980 and satellite technologies.

00:39:28.500 They may actually

00:39:29.000 be in the lead

00:39:29.900 with satellite-based weaponry

00:39:31.380 and hypersonic missiles.

00:39:34.100 What do you make

00:39:35.280 of the flat-footed response

00:39:37.040 of our Pentagon

00:39:37.920 and our political leaders?

00:39:40.820 This administration

00:39:41.860 doesn't get it.

00:39:42.940 They see China

00:39:44.160 as a competitor.

00:39:45.600 That's the word

00:39:46.280 that the Biden administration

00:39:48.200 uses.

00:39:48.860 No, look,

00:39:49.340 France is a competitor.

00:39:50.600 Mexico is a competitor.

00:39:52.340 China is an adversary

00:39:53.700 at best

00:39:54.320 and maybe an enemy.

00:39:55.340 It depends on

00:39:55.880 what words you want to use.

00:39:57.280 I think we have to,

00:39:58.320 you know,

00:39:58.580 that's the thing

00:39:59.020 I don't understand, Fred.

00:40:00.420 They are building a navy.

00:40:01.920 They are threatening

00:40:02.640 to attack Taiwan.

00:40:04.620 They are interfering

00:40:05.740 with global rights

00:40:07.140 of navigation

00:40:07.880 in the South China Sea.

00:40:09.520 They're aligned

00:40:10.500 with Russia,

00:40:11.760 which is asserting itself

00:40:13.160 in the Sea of Japan

00:40:14.260 for crying out loud.

00:40:15.480 It's navy.

00:40:16.060 And we are reluctant

00:40:18.840 to say that

00:40:19.840 it is a clear

00:40:21.840 geopolitical confrontation

00:40:23.840 and we're talking

00:40:25.000 about enemies,

00:40:26.080 not competitors.

00:40:27.940 Why would we hesitate

00:40:29.240 to call them enemies?

00:40:31.180 This is the thinking

00:40:32.120 of the left, Lou.

00:40:32.980 They don't recognize

00:40:34.320 these global threats.

00:40:35.480 They blame America.

00:40:37.140 The hell with them.

00:40:38.440 The hell with them.

00:40:39.540 Well, I'm with you.

00:40:40.680 Who's not on the lap

00:40:41.540 should be talking

00:40:42.420 straightforwardly

00:40:43.540 about the threats

00:40:44.380 they pose,

00:40:45.400 the specific strategies

00:40:47.920 they make it clear

00:40:49.040 they will follow,

00:40:50.160 and the fact

00:40:51.320 that they mean

00:40:51.860 to be our enemy

00:40:53.200 and to one day

00:40:54.880 dominate the entire world.

00:40:58.200 That's exactly right.

00:40:59.520 And when we don't

00:41:00.140 focus on that

00:41:01.060 and we put most

00:41:02.720 of our diplomatic efforts

00:41:04.640 to negotiating

00:41:06.360 climate agreements

00:41:07.360 with China,

00:41:08.460 Chinese officials

00:41:09.240 are laughing

00:41:09.740 behind our backs.

00:41:10.680 They see an opportunity.

00:41:12.200 They see that we have

00:41:13.500 a president

00:41:14.280 and an administration

00:41:15.060 in this country

00:41:16.040 that has no idea

00:41:17.560 what they're planning,

00:41:18.700 has no idea

00:41:19.300 of their plans

00:41:19.840 for global domination,

00:41:21.120 and I'm very fearful

00:41:23.300 they're going to

00:41:23.740 take advantage of this

00:41:24.740 before this president

00:41:25.960 leaves office.

00:41:26.880 Yeah, they're laughing

00:41:27.480 in our faces, Fred.

00:41:29.180 I mean, Xi Jinping,

00:41:31.080 not even a notice

00:41:32.340 by the national media

00:41:33.940 that Xi Jinping

00:41:34.920 absolutely insulted everyone

00:41:37.720 and said he's not going

00:41:39.280 to show up

00:41:40.000 for the climate meeting.

00:41:43.400 And then we have

00:41:44.640 our own president

00:41:45.360 who did show up

00:41:46.380 much to the apparent distress

00:41:48.140 of many people,

00:41:49.220 including,

00:41:49.780 is it Camilla,

00:41:51.320 the duchess of whatever?

00:41:53.880 She had noticed

00:41:55.460 something of an odor

00:41:56.480 wherever he stood

00:41:57.880 and suspicious sounds.

00:42:00.720 I mean,

00:42:01.060 this is a man

00:42:01.800 who's a laughingstock

00:42:02.940 for the entire world.

00:42:04.660 I know.

00:42:06.820 It's true.

00:42:07.300 And we know that

00:42:07.980 our enemies respect strength.

00:42:09.500 They didn't like Donald Trump,

00:42:10.640 but they feared him.

00:42:11.880 They respected him.

00:42:12.820 They knew he would use

00:42:14.100 military force

00:42:14.860 if necessary to defend us.

00:42:16.660 We know our enemies

00:42:17.600 take advantage of weakness.

00:42:19.520 They've taken advantage

00:42:20.320 of weak presidents before,

00:42:21.640 like Clinton,

00:42:22.700 like Obama.

00:42:23.400 But we've never had

00:42:24.780 a president this week.

00:42:26.120 That's why we are

00:42:27.040 in a bad situation,

00:42:28.240 a very dangerous

00:42:28.800 situation right now.

00:42:29.720 And on the eastern border

00:42:32.680 of Ukraine,

00:42:33.360 the western border

00:42:34.280 of Russia,

00:42:35.700 we're watching

00:42:36.480 Russian troop movements

00:42:37.760 and apparently

00:42:38.340 the Biden administration

00:42:39.460 did take notice

00:42:40.580 that those troops

00:42:42.300 and heavy military equipment

00:42:44.840 were moving around

00:42:45.700 the western frontier

00:42:46.740 of Russia.

00:42:48.580 And he dispatched

00:42:50.100 his CIA director,

00:42:51.640 Bill Burns,

00:42:52.440 to a meeting

00:42:53.020 at the Kremlin

00:42:53.640 to talk about

00:42:55.880 how concerned we are.

00:42:57.780 To what effect?

00:42:58.700 Well, you may not

00:43:01.040 agree with me, Lou,

00:43:02.300 but I endorse Bill Burns

00:43:03.660 to be CIA director

00:43:04.840 under Biden.

00:43:06.100 The reason is because,

00:43:07.160 in my opinion,

00:43:07.820 he's the only competent

00:43:09.240 national security person

00:43:10.540 Biden has.

00:43:12.040 And so I'm glad

00:43:13.140 he sent Burns

00:43:13.960 to do this.

00:43:14.960 He was former ambassador

00:43:16.020 to Russia.

00:43:16.820 I wouldn't want him

00:43:17.480 to serve in a

00:43:18.040 Republican administration.

00:43:19.520 I don't think the Russians

00:43:20.340 are going to listen to him.

00:43:21.740 But this is the best

00:43:23.040 Biden has

00:43:23.920 because it seems

00:43:24.860 pretty clear

00:43:25.480 Putin sees a window

00:43:26.680 off opportunity too

00:43:27.940 concerning Ukraine.

00:43:29.780 But to what effect?

00:43:31.740 I mean,

00:43:31.940 I'm really not taking

00:43:32.820 issue with his personality,

00:43:35.460 his performance,

00:43:36.320 his potential,

00:43:37.520 his record,

00:43:38.900 although I think

00:43:39.680 all are lacking.

00:43:40.840 But the fact of the matter

00:43:42.160 is,

00:43:43.100 to what effect?

00:43:44.220 What was

00:43:44.900 that meeting about

00:43:46.160 and what

00:43:46.740 changed

00:43:48.640 after they had

00:43:49.360 that meeting?

00:43:50.340 He met with

00:43:51.100 the national security

00:43:52.540 of the Russians,

00:43:55.600 Nikolai Patrashev,

00:43:58.180 the head of the

00:43:59.040 national security

00:44:00.320 group.

00:44:01.900 What did they accomplish?

00:44:04.260 The troops are still there,

00:44:05.500 the tanks are still there,

00:44:07.680 and they're moving.

00:44:08.360 I think he probably

00:44:11.100 tried his best

00:44:12.100 using his powers

00:44:13.100 of persuasion

00:44:13.920 and some stern scolding.

00:44:16.380 We know this

00:44:16.960 didn't accomplish anything,

00:44:18.040 but that's the most

00:44:19.160 Burns could do

00:44:19.880 because Biden's

00:44:20.500 not going to do anything.

00:44:21.860 Well,

00:44:22.040 I have to say,

00:44:23.060 I'm taking exception

00:44:24.100 with Mr. Burns too

00:44:25.240 because if he had

00:44:26.760 the temerity

00:44:27.460 to scold

00:44:28.460 Vladimir Putin,

00:44:30.280 he hasn't paid attention

00:44:31.360 to who Putin is

00:44:32.360 and who Russia is.

00:44:33.960 They have

00:44:34.440 the largest

00:44:35.340 nuclear arsenal

00:44:36.280 outside the United States

00:44:37.600 and the world.

00:44:38.200 they have taken

00:44:39.500 every sanction

00:44:41.340 that has ever

00:44:42.220 been placed on them

00:44:43.160 and eaten up

00:44:45.500 those sanctions

00:44:46.240 as if they were

00:44:47.520 milk toast

00:44:49.880 because you know what?

00:44:51.240 Sanctions are milk toast

00:44:52.360 and that's the best

00:44:53.080 we have responded

00:44:53.920 to any of his

00:44:55.420 outrageous,

00:44:56.320 aggressive acts

00:44:57.340 whether it be in Crimea

00:44:58.820 or whether it be

00:44:59.880 on the Ukraine border.

00:45:01.400 We've got to do better

00:45:02.420 than this as a country

00:45:03.400 because we have

00:45:04.080 a silly bunch

00:45:05.040 of people running around

00:45:06.300 talking about

00:45:07.420 national security.

00:45:09.560 I've got to say

00:45:10.500 one thing too.

00:45:12.500 I've got to give

00:45:13.440 Washington Post

00:45:14.240 media critic

00:45:14.920 Eric Wimple.

00:45:16.040 He called out

00:45:16.940 the left-wing media

00:45:18.100 by the way

00:45:19.160 for supporting

00:45:21.800 and even animating

00:45:23.040 the fraudulent

00:45:23.860 steel dossier.

00:45:26.080 What is your reaction

00:45:28.020 to the fact

00:45:28.520 that the Washington Post

00:45:29.760 media observer

00:45:32.740 Eric Wimple

00:45:33.960 wrote very clearly

00:45:35.440 the journalists

00:45:36.960 who relied on

00:45:37.620 that phony dossier

00:45:38.740 will be held

00:45:39.480 to account.

00:45:40.900 Well, they're admitting

00:45:41.780 this now

00:45:42.240 but they're not sorry.

00:45:43.560 They knew they were

00:45:44.120 lying in 2016,

00:45:45.580 2017

00:45:46.040 throughout the

00:45:46.800 Trump presidency.

00:45:48.040 My view on this,

00:45:49.640 Lou,

00:45:49.900 is that Durham

00:45:50.900 let down this country.

00:45:52.640 He should have put

00:45:53.420 his findings out

00:45:54.540 before the 2020 election

00:45:56.700 so the American...

00:45:57.280 Oh, hell yes.

00:45:58.260 But right now

00:45:59.360 he's the only thing

00:46:00.100 we got.

00:46:00.580 Do you realize that?

00:46:01.900 Fred,

00:46:02.360 he is the only one

00:46:03.780 who has produced

00:46:05.120 the actual indictment

00:46:07.580 of those folks

00:46:08.960 involved in that dossier

00:46:11.240 and this looks like

00:46:13.140 just the early days now.

00:46:15.060 It may be late,

00:46:15.940 no doubt about it,

00:46:16.720 not maybe,

00:46:17.280 it is late,

00:46:18.100 but at least

00:46:18.740 he seems to be progressing

00:46:20.060 toward having established

00:46:21.640 that the Clinton campaign

00:46:23.440 in league with

00:46:24.520 the deep state,

00:46:27.780 the FBI,

00:46:28.620 the Justice Department,

00:46:30.240 and so many on the Hill

00:46:32.060 and particularly in the Senate,

00:46:34.040 they tried to overthrow

00:46:35.280 a president

00:46:35.900 and before that

00:46:36.800 they tried to stop

00:46:37.720 his election

00:46:38.300 and now there is

00:46:40.040 an actual record

00:46:40.880 and it's pretty clear

00:46:42.620 the FBI had an active,

00:46:44.840 enthusiastic role in it all.

00:46:49.440 And by the way,

00:46:50.200 Fred,

00:46:51.360 where the hell is Italy

00:46:52.620 and where is Australia?

00:46:55.120 They had such a big involvement

00:46:56.960 in that dossier

00:46:58.980 and reporting back

00:47:00.700 into the White House

00:47:02.520 and I'm talking about

00:47:03.480 the Obama White House

00:47:04.620 in early days

00:47:05.720 about just how dangerous

00:47:08.500 Donald Trump's relationship

00:47:11.140 with the Russians were.

00:47:12.540 All of it,

00:47:13.300 fiction and lies

00:47:14.640 by our allies as well.

00:47:18.700 Look, I'm glad

00:47:19.640 this is coming out now,

00:47:21.020 but, you know,

00:47:22.280 people like you and I,

00:47:23.260 we've known this.

00:47:23.900 We've been talking

00:47:24.380 about this for years.

00:47:25.640 We're getting Durham

00:47:26.380 to confirm something

00:47:27.380 that any intelligent person

00:47:29.020 in our country always knew.

00:47:30.500 It's too late.

00:47:32.140 He's let the country down.

00:47:33.760 This needed to get out

00:47:34.760 before the 2020 election.

00:47:36.480 You and I talked

00:47:37.120 about this on the air.

00:47:38.580 What good is it

00:47:39.280 coming out afterwards?

00:47:40.520 They just,

00:47:41.120 well, they almost

00:47:41.960 destroyed a presidency.

00:47:43.300 They contributed

00:47:44.400 to Donald Trump

00:47:45.240 not being reelected

00:47:46.800 and they got away with it.

00:47:47.860 The people responsible

00:47:48.640 for this,

00:47:49.220 Hillary Clinton,

00:47:50.040 she's not going to go to jail.

00:47:51.280 She's not going to suffer

00:47:52.080 for this.

00:47:53.320 So, I mean,

00:47:53.720 I hear you,

00:47:54.280 but I'm just so disappointed.

00:47:55.300 Yeah, it is disappointing

00:47:57.380 and it was going right

00:47:58.680 into the election

00:47:59.380 because so much,

00:48:00.200 I mean, people were,

00:48:01.260 you know, think about it.

00:48:02.780 Here is Operation Warp Speed,

00:48:05.520 President Trump's organization

00:48:08.600 and name for the,

00:48:10.620 you know,

00:48:11.240 the Manhattan Project

00:48:13.280 to deliver the vaccine

00:48:15.240 and vaccine companies

00:48:16.980 who had it ready

00:48:18.580 withheld the announcement

00:48:20.480 that it was ready

00:48:21.640 before the election

00:48:23.120 and not until after the election

00:48:24.980 did they let it be known.

00:48:26.520 That's what Donald Trump

00:48:28.380 was putting up with

00:48:29.320 and with,

00:48:30.400 you know,

00:48:30.720 trying to overcome

00:48:31.620 as President of the United States.

00:48:33.400 But as we wrap up here,

00:48:34.660 Fred,

00:48:34.940 I want to deal with one thing

00:48:37.360 at the end here

00:48:38.000 because Biden has delayed again

00:48:39.840 the release

00:48:41.980 of the JFK files

00:48:44.020 and records.

00:48:46.120 What is your reaction to this?

00:48:47.880 And by the way,

00:48:48.520 the nonsense

00:48:49.280 that he blathered Biden

00:48:51.400 about why he was trying

00:48:53.360 to protect our methods

00:48:54.640 and sources

00:48:55.340 and he didn't want anybody

00:48:56.580 to be discombubberated,

00:48:58.660 you know,

00:48:59.200 what was it,

00:49:00.120 60 years after the assassination,

00:49:03.120 almost 60 years

00:49:04.220 after the assassination

00:49:05.820 of John F. Kennedy.

00:49:07.700 Your thoughts?

00:49:08.860 I don't really know.

00:49:10.460 I read some reports

00:49:11.580 that there were covert operations

00:49:12.860 they don't want revealed.

00:49:13.960 What I think is more likely

00:49:15.100 is that there were people

00:49:17.360 who were not cooperating

00:49:18.720 or interfering

00:49:19.460 with the Warren Commission,

00:49:20.640 probably members

00:49:21.420 of the Johnson administration.

00:49:23.460 I think you probably

00:49:24.980 have stronger thoughts

00:49:25.880 on this than I do,

00:49:26.800 but it seems bizarre

00:49:28.360 that so long after

00:49:29.700 the Kennedy assassination

00:49:30.620 that Biden is concealing

00:49:32.860 this information.

00:49:34.400 Yeah, it's, to me,

00:49:35.660 it's such a, you know,

00:49:37.920 Donald Trump did the same thing

00:49:39.980 and there are no excuses,

00:49:42.280 no matter what they say.

00:49:43.760 The public right to know

00:49:45.760 and the requirement

00:49:47.720 that we understand

00:49:49.060 and have a truthful account

00:49:51.100 of our country's history.

00:49:52.760 Warts and all,

00:49:54.640 it's an American right

00:49:56.480 and we demand it.

00:49:58.560 And time after time,

00:50:00.200 a president says,

00:50:01.260 no, we're such children,

00:50:04.700 we can't handle the truth.

00:50:06.580 Pure nonsense

00:50:07.540 and we really need to know

00:50:09.720 what's going on

00:50:11.680 and why is the CIA

00:50:14.380 always involved

00:50:16.320 in shutting down

00:50:18.940 the public's right to know.

00:50:21.300 It's outrageous.

00:50:22.340 You get the last word here, Fred.

00:50:24.100 No, I agree with you.

00:50:25.380 I'd like to see this released also.

00:50:27.140 It just doesn't sound right.

00:50:29.520 The people mentioned

00:50:30.520 in this report,

00:50:31.540 they've mostly passed away,

00:50:33.220 so I don't know

00:50:33.740 what we're protecting.

00:50:36.760 Well, I'll tell you this.

00:50:38.080 It's always great

00:50:38.820 to talk with you.

00:50:39.640 We always learn so much

00:50:40.860 and we appreciate it, Fred.

00:50:43.460 Thank you so much.

00:50:44.520 Fred Blights.

00:50:45.480 Join us again tomorrow

00:50:46.560 for the Great America podcast.

00:50:48.700 Stay in the fight.

00:50:49.660 Truth, justice,

00:50:50.660 and the American way

00:50:51.480 will prevail

00:50:52.280 against all enemies,

00:50:53.860 against all odds.

00:50:55.060 Thank you.

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