The Great America Show - GOP REFORMERS MAKE HISTORY AS THEY DEFEAT THE CORONATION OF RINO KEVIN MC CARTHY, FORCING MORE VOTES

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and welcome to The Great America Show.

00:00:04.500 Great to have you with us on what is another historic day, the battle for Speaker of the

00:00:11.220 House, the third most powerful job in Washington, D.C., in our federal government. That is after

00:00:18.460 the President and the Vice President. It's all hanging in the balance as the House is voting to

00:00:23.860 decide who will be the Speaker for the next two years. California Congressman Kevin McCarthy

00:00:30.500 had expected to be coronated as Speaker of the House, and why not? It's been that way for a very

00:00:36.660 long time. But he now finds himself fighting for that job, and he so far is losing the fight to a

00:00:43.760 group of Republican reformers who want to restore integrity to the leadership and rules of the

00:00:50.320 House. How about that? Another round of voting resumes today. After three previous rounds,

00:00:57.900 20 congressmen have blocked McCarthy's quest for 218 votes, and Congressman Matt Gaetz nominated

00:01:06.040 Congressman Jim Jordan to the Speakership against his wishes. Jordan, in fact, has supported McCarthy

00:01:13.640 for Speaker. Jordan maintains that he doesn't seek the job while effectively being grafted by

00:01:20.240 the reformers, and he now has 20 votes. Those 20 votes mean that McCarthy can't win so long as

00:01:28.380 Jordan supporters hold the line, and they obviously mean to do just that. McCarthy has refused to adopt

00:01:36.220 any of the reforms asked for by the congressmen who want to make the House transparent to voters

00:01:42.260 and the American public to make the legislative process more open and assure accountability and give

00:01:49.620 committees more power and independence. This is truly a battle between America First reformers

00:01:56.560 and the rhino establishment wing of the Republican Party. For example, Republican strategists Karl Rove, 0.71

00:02:04.240 Ronna McDaniel, the chair of the RNC, and former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich all have been among

00:02:10.760 those the last week fear-mongering the very idea of the Republican conference actually having a voice

00:02:17.820 in betting and deciding who will be their leader, their Speaker of the House. And as I said, it is the

00:02:25.780 third most powerful job in our government. It's been a hundred years, think of this, it's been a hundred

00:02:32.780 years since more than one round of voting for Speaker has been necessary. Now, Karl Rove said there would be

00:02:40.700 chaos, utter chaos. Ronna McDaniel warning of terrible, terrible consequences. And Newt Gingrich, 0.96

00:02:47.680 well, he said the life of the very Republic could be threatened as democracy seeps into the House of

00:02:55.360 Representatives. Those scare tactics were laughable, of course, except all three of those folks are doing

00:03:02.340 the bidding of the establishment. That's how much the global corporatists and Marxist Dems truly fear a

00:03:09.820 powerful, transparent, responsible House of Representatives. They wanted their Martinette,

00:03:16.200 Kevin McCarthy, to be in place. Reliable and pliable, compliant and uncomplaining. Good old Kevin,

00:03:24.220 that was the deal. And that's the very deal that's being broken up at this very moment, we hope.

00:03:30.880 The reformers led by Congressman Andy Biggs, who was running against Kevin McCarthy for Speaker,

00:03:36.980 threw his support to Jordan on the second round. Biggs was joined by Matt Rosendale,

00:03:43.060 Ralph Norman, Bob Good, Matt Gates, Mary Miller, Chip Roy, Mike Cloud, and Keith Self, and Eli Klain,

00:03:50.760 Paul Gosar, Dan Bishop, Josh Breshen, Lauren Bulbert, Andrew Clyde, and Andy Harris, Anna Paulina,

00:03:58.660 Brandon Ogles, and Scott Perry, Byron Donalds, and Keith Self. That is an honor roll that I just had to

00:04:07.460 share with you. I know it's a long list, and I hope we should pray that that list gets much,

00:04:13.760 much longer. Our guest today is Congressman Ralph Norman. He's from the great state of South Carolina.

00:04:19.980 He's represented the 5th District of South Carolina since 2017. He is a great American. We talked with

00:04:27.120 Congressman Norman at the conclusion of the third round of voting yesterday. It was a day of high

00:04:32.740 drama. It was historic. And the Congressman joined us from the Republican cloakroom, just as Congress

00:04:38.760 was adjourning. Welcome, Congressman, to the Great America Show. I want to begin by thanking you and

00:04:44.500 your 19 colleagues for standing up for the integrity of Congress, opposing more rhino establishment rule 0.98

00:04:51.560 in the Republican Party. Congratulations on making history. For the first time in 100 years,

00:04:58.440 the speakership will be decided by more than one ceremonial vote. Congratulations on handing Kevin

00:05:05.180 McCarthy three straight losses in today's rounds of voting. Is this battle going according to plan

00:05:11.540 for your group of reformers? Yeah, you know, you go into this and you never really know what I'm proud

00:05:17.720 of. I mean, first of all, it's such an honor to serve in Congress. And it's a good feeling to be able to

00:05:23.840 finally do something. I mean, we pick a speaker for the next two years, and it should go through this

00:05:29.420 process. You ought to vet them just like you would vet a head of a CEO of a company that's going to take over

00:05:36.220 that's struggling. And you want to vet them as to what their blueprint for solving it is. And that's what we're doing

00:05:42.340 with Kevin. And he just has got a history, a 14-year history of just spending, and he's never stood up to it.

00:05:48.620 And if not now, we need it. The cancer in this country is the debt. And the cancer of this country is accepting

00:05:56.020 what Democrats give us from the Senate. And we're going to be in nine months, and Lou, you know this,

00:06:02.500 we're going to be back looking at the raise the debt ceiling or shutting the government down.

00:06:08.000 And that's one of the questions Kevin's going to have to commit to, to shutting the government down unless

00:06:13.440 we get a handle. And the, you know, we'll sit here as long as it takes, because it's, I think the numbers

00:06:21.940 will grow. Whether it'll grow for the sufficient amount, I don't know. The good news is, though, if we sit,

00:06:29.320 I think it's for another six days, all of our pay gets cut. And if we're not, if we're not legislating,

00:06:35.160 then we, then that's a good thing. Let's cut the money. And then we'll see what happens then.

00:06:40.760 Well, I think, I think that's, that's something that certainly I hadn't thought of. I imagine

00:06:44.600 there are a few other people hadn't thought about that impact, which is something of a hammer to have,

00:06:50.800 have on your, in your hand. Let me ask you this too. I get the feeling that each of you

00:06:59.440 is very resolute in continuing. How confident are you that your, your, your original group of five

00:07:08.460 then add the, the, the nine that have been added on and then other members, including Lauren Bovert,

00:07:15.440 Mike Cloud, Anna, Paulina, Luna, Mary Miller, all of them joining in. Are they as resolute as the

00:07:24.080 original five? Yeah, I think we are. I mean, you gotta, we went to a conference today, which is

00:07:29.880 basically the Republican conference was a strong-on conference, you know, threatening to kick us off

00:07:35.640 committees unless we vote for McCarthy and for him never saying anything about it to say he has given

00:07:42.520 us, given us everything we want. And that, you know, it's because he was magnanimous. Luke, some of the

00:07:49.420 things we asked for, he had two months ago. We didn't, we heard crickets, nothing. And the reason

00:07:54.920 is he thought it was going to be a red wave. He didn't need us. Now he's come to the table, but

00:07:59.480 it's a little too late. And, you know, we're, we're as resolved now something could change, but I don't

00:08:06.260 think so. And it's the vacate the chair has gotten most of the publicity, but that's not the big thing.

00:08:12.100 Spending and out of control entitlements are something that we have got to deal with. And I know a lot of

00:08:19.220 a lot of us, uh, that's come up today, every meeting that he fits his oblivious to that.

00:08:24.780 And, and it's clear that the, the Marxist, as I call them, Congressman, the Democrat party,

00:08:31.140 uh, they are intent on spending as much this Biden regime. It's as if he means to break the,

00:08:39.500 break the government, uh, break the budget, uh, break the finances of the entire country. Uh,

00:08:47.340 this is not an accident. This is a strategy that is being followed by these radical dams.

00:08:54.000 And now the, the rhinos, as I refer to them, uh, in this case, uh, we're talking about Kevin

00:09:00.800 McCarthy. He's, he's Paul Ryan trained and endorsed, uh, there in a chain of, uh, uh, folks that go back

00:09:08.460 to Boehner to Ryan. Uh, this is, uh, it just, to me, I, I, he was expecting a coronation and if it

00:09:16.160 weren't for you all, uh, there would be a coronation and it would be a coronation of what

00:09:22.700 the Marxist stems, uh, uh, have put up as an agenda, which is to bankrupt the country.

00:09:28.280 Socialism is right here. Unless we stop it to at least make some attempt, then, uh, we might as well

00:09:35.420 just say goodbye to America as we know it. And we just not going to, we just are not going to let

00:09:40.580 that happen. And the good news is maybe something, maybe he will at some point get us, you know,

00:09:48.560 get 19 of us that are growing in a room and say, look, what can we do? And, you know, we told him,

00:09:56.260 we said, look, start with appropriators, uh, before you name chairman, say, look, you've got to come to

00:10:01.400 this number that will help solve the budget crisis. You got to do it in a seven year,

00:10:07.960 10 max cash. If you won't do that, then no, we'll just continue to sit in it. But I don't know what

00:10:14.820 else it's going to take, but I know giving in is not going to work. I was, I was surprised to see

00:10:21.940 Congressman Byron Donalds switch over in particular from McCarthy to Jordan. Uh, he, as a matter of fact,

00:10:30.400 I was surprised that he was supporting McCarthy because the man has, I think, uh, first of all,

00:10:36.680 I think he's a very talented fella, but he's also very pragmatic about the budget. He is a practical

00:10:43.400 man. He understands exactly, uh, you know, what you're expressing here, that this country just

00:10:49.220 can't continue on this path. Uh, there are a lot of people who are thinking that you and I talk about

00:10:53.760 the budget right down the midst of this high drama, uh, is, uh, you know, it may be boring

00:10:59.600 them, uh, but it's, it really is critical to the nation's future, uh, that we come to terms with

00:11:05.980 it. And the only adults in the room, and when I looked out there and saw 434 of our congressmen

00:11:11.900 in that room voting on this, uh, you know, I, I haven't seen you guys in committee with hearings,

00:11:17.860 uh, with amendments. You haven't been in regular order. I don't know for how long, uh, seven years,

00:11:24.820 uh, seven years. Uh, and to think that that has to be a demand to get a vote for the speaker of the

00:11:33.360 house. Uh, it's outrageous. The American people have a right to know what their government is doing. 0.98

00:11:38.860 They need to be part of the process. We haven't had a discussion on the budget. We haven't had a

00:11:44.720 discussion, a debate, a national debate with our representatives in the house and the senators.

00:11:51.040 This is, this is government on, uh, you know, it's, it's, it's just automatic pilot. Only we can't

00:11:58.360 find the pilot. Well, we're going, we're going to do something, uh, to find somebody who will leave

00:12:05.160 this country. Uh, speaker is third in line for president, as you know, and I would argue the

00:12:10.700 most powerful position in the country. You set the agenda. And the reason George's name just keeps

00:12:17.020 coming up is we know he will fight. We know when he goes in with a Mitch McConnell, uh, one, he just

00:12:23.220 won't capitulate and say, we're going to take the leftovers. That 1.7 tree just proved that. And by

00:12:29.900 the way, only half the members were present. Only half the members were in the chamber. Half

00:12:35.140 of what you see in, uh, now voted and allowed a 1.7 trillion to pass to raid the treasury.

00:12:43.620 And that's the other thing. McCarthy should have had us months ago. This, this wasn't a secret that

00:12:47.880 what the Senate did. You know, we should all be having press conference saying, look, we're not

00:12:52.360 taking it. We're going to throw it back at you. But it's just, you know, he's never done that.

00:12:56.800 And so if you've got a track record of not doing it, how's he going? Uh, and I told Jordan,

00:13:03.800 I says, like he was a great wrestler. I says, like having somebody that's lost every match

00:13:08.480 and then put him in the championship and expecting a different result. Right. So he's, uh, he's

00:13:14.920 getting up. Congressman, you're talking about Jim Jordan. Uh, and he was the champion, uh, wrestler

00:13:21.940 at, uh, and, uh, and I, I just want to get to the, to the point. He doesn't want to be

00:13:27.600 speaker. And, and I liked what Matt Gates said. It's about time we got somebody who didn't

00:13:34.360 want the job instead of somebody who would sell their soul to get it. Uh, and exactly right.

00:13:40.940 And so he, he's the right guy. Have you talked to, to Jim? Do you have the belief that he will

00:13:48.480 stand up for the, and take the job if indeed, uh, he is drafted? It's my belief that as we

00:13:57.560 keep gaining votes, we keep sitting here and gain votes, um, that he will, he will come to

00:14:05.260 the table. As I told him, it's a higher calling. I know he wants to be head of the judiciary,

00:14:10.300 but as speaker, he can do so much good in this country. He has the trust. People know that

00:14:15.220 when he says he's going to fight, he'll fight. And so I think he will. I think he's the thing

00:14:21.440 that I like about him is what he's showing to, to McCarthy. Now he's loyal to him. And,

00:14:28.080 um, and this isn't personal with McCarthy. I like him as a person, but we need somebody

00:14:33.340 personalities are not going to get this country, uh, not, not going to cure the cancer in this

00:14:38.040 country, which is spending and draft and greed and, and, uh, you know, serving the powers that

00:14:46.480 be, they're taking the tax base money. You know, Congressman, I, these, there are moments

00:14:52.340 where this country does take some, uh, there are inflection points where the country does pivot.

00:14:58.780 I believe this could be one of those. I think you've already accomplished a great deal,

00:15:03.140 just in, and demonstrating to your fellow Congressman, what, what courage looks like

00:15:09.400 and what the independence of judgment looks like while being faithful to your, to your

00:15:16.580 values and philosophy, uh, as a Republican, but first Americans, I just can't, I just can't 0.98

00:15:25.140 tell you how excited I am about the potential opportunity that's awaiting the country with

00:15:30.940 what you all are achieving there, uh, today. The fact is the Republican party is a moderate

00:15:37.200 party. It's not a rhino party, a wild eyed, uh, left-wing party. The reason that the Republicans,

00:15:45.380 it seems to me, have elected rhinos to their leadership for so long now is because they think 0.96

00:15:50.120 they'll get along best with the Democrats. And like you said, we need a man like Jim Jordan,

00:15:55.760 who will fight, uh, the awful agenda of these Marxist Dems who are in charge of the democratic

00:16:02.800 party. And certainly are the masters of this puppet president in our white house right now. 0.98

00:16:09.900 Yeah. And if not now, when I see the rent, the runway very short, um, you know, the, the debt,

00:16:16.500 uh, and I, you know, they keep saying 33, 31, three, it's more like 60 when you put Medicare,

00:16:23.060 Medicaid, social security, because every agency that I know of is insolvent. So, you know, we're

00:16:29.560 at the point now we didn't deal with it and force, uh, some, some change or some concessions,

00:16:36.320 but, uh, that's when we have got to take the time. And as I told them, the, uh, you know,

00:16:42.720 we went out 172 days last year, last session, that's 5.7 months. We can't take a week to decide

00:16:51.940 what's the best for this country and give the taxpayers what they want, which is conservative

00:16:56.520 government that they control. They're not controlling it.

00:17:00.220 Now it's, you're exactly right. And one of the impacts of this high inflation that Biden has

00:17:07.100 delivered to the country, I don't think people realize, even though we've got almost a $32 trillion

00:17:12.240 national debt in this country, uh, that the interest rate on that money has risen by 50%

00:17:20.120 in just over the past year. Uh, this is, this is a mad course that we're on with a president who is

00:17:28.500 impaired in my judgment and who is certainly following an agenda that will bankrupt the nation 0.61

00:17:36.880 and worse because it's also the foundation of our national security, national security,

00:17:42.760 economic security is national security. If we don't face it now, we'll be under the China regime, 0.98

00:17:48.300 which Biden is sold out to the, uh, everything he's doing is intentional from the border to lawlessness

00:17:55.500 to the speed. And, uh, again, this is highlight, hopefully we'll highlight that and get a man that'll

00:18:01.160 fight. Uh, we're not going to get through, you know, Biden is going to reject everything. He's going to veto

00:18:06.640 everything we have. Uh, we can't get a three force vote, but we're going to make it so hard. Uh, and the bad

00:18:14.600 legislation's got to stop and it starts with the spirit, but spending is spending is the number one issue

00:18:22.520 that is on all of our minds. And that's what's holding us together. And as I listened to Steve

00:18:27.680 Scalise on the floor, uh, with his nominating speech for McCarthy, uh, in the third round,

00:18:32.640 uh, you know, I just, he was, you know, I'm not going to accuse him of lying, but he knows better

00:18:40.120 than what he said. There is no way that the Republicans can sit there and do anything basically

00:18:47.140 that he said without, without a vote from the Senate, which is democratically controlled

00:18:53.400 and the signature of a president who is absolutely opposed to everything, uh, that the country needs

00:19:00.360 right now, which is the Republican agenda, uh, of, uh, prudence and responsibility and fiscal

00:19:07.420 management, uh, in terms of a modest, but robust foreign policy, uh, and to turn this country

00:19:15.260 around and a government that right now is rampantly corrupt. There is so much to, for, to be done in

00:19:22.260 this critical existential moment of our history. And, and you are all at the point of the spear

00:19:29.400 in making that happen. Uh, and I just want to congratulate you and tell you how much I'm grateful

00:19:36.820 to you, uh, and, uh, for taking time and also ask you as we wrap up, we always give our guests

00:19:44.260 the last word, uh, your thoughts about what you faced to tonight and in the, in the days and weeks

00:19:50.180 ahead.

00:19:50.960 I think again, we're going to pick up steam and I think we're going to, uh, at the end of the day,

00:19:55.800 we're going to sit here as long as, as long as it takes to get some kind of resolve and hopefully,

00:20:03.020 uh, that they can have something concrete that we can believe in. And you're right. Steve

00:20:10.180 Scalise knows that one, right? And he knows exactly that. I mean, we're, we're doing the

00:20:14.620 hearings, um, delaying that. When has there ever been consequences for the hearings? I mean,

00:20:20.240 is, is, uh, Hillary in jail? No. Uh, is so we're not doing the good business. The government

00:20:26.560 is doing the business. It shouldn't take place because it's been bad. And that's what this

00:20:30.640 is highlighting. So I really appreciate what you do, the messages you have. And, um, I just

00:20:36.300 urge people to get involved. It's their, you know, it's, it's their government. It's not

00:20:42.320 the bureaucrats and politicians up here, which gets confused sometimes. Yeah. And as you say,

00:20:49.180 that's a thought that has been lost over the, uh, these last years, uh, the last decade or so,

00:20:55.640 maybe longer than that. But, uh, again, we appreciate everything you're doing. Thank you.

00:21:00.540 And God bless you. Thank you. Happy new year. Congressman Ralph Norman, a great American who

00:21:05.500 today, along with his colleagues in the house made more history. And we certainly hope they prevail

00:21:11.260 for the good of this great nation. Our guests upcoming include Congressman James Comer,

00:21:17.060 Congressman Chip Roy, and the renewing America's Kash Patel on more revelations about the deep state

00:21:24.720 corruption. Please join us here tomorrow. Follow me on Twitter and truth social at Lou Dobbs. That's

00:21:30.920 at Lou Dobbs on Twitter and truth social. And please be with us tomorrow till then. Thanks for

00:21:38.440 being with us. God bless you and may God bless America.

The Great America Show - January 04, 2023

GOP REFORMERS MAKE HISTORY AS THEY DEFEAT THE CORONATION OF RINO KEVIN MC CARTHY, FORCING MORE VOTES

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