MARXISM HAS TAKEN OVER THE VATICAN
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In this episode of The Great Americana Show, we discuss President Donald J. Trump s recent trip to Ukraine, the pro-life leadership coalition, and the recent defrocking of Father Frank Pavone by the catholic church.
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hello everybody and welcome to the great america show it's great to have you with us today thank
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you so much for joining us well apple has finally done it well you're probably wondering what i'm
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talking about you get an iphone i welcome you to uh go to the uh the apple maps and you scroll down
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off the coast the west coast of florida and off the eastern coast of uh corpus christi texas and
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uh houston texas and uh right there sits smack in the middle the gulf of america zoom in if you
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could see that it's no longer the gulf of mexico folks uh woke apple uh not subscribing to the uh
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the woke ideology anymore i guess i'm not sure what's made them wake up to the realization that
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this is america first uh this is the america first administration uh so good on apple for joining uh
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the squad and uh and hearing with the times um president trump meeting with uh elon musk and
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the doge committee uh trying to weave out government corruption and what's going on
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marxist dems day in day out having a very tough time uh also happening this afternoon
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tulsi gabbard uh being confirmed as dni senator froghorn leghorn mitch mcconnell of course voting
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against her uh he's as deep state as they come president trump also uh having a phone call with
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vladimir putin this afternoon in which vladimir putin says he's ready to start negotiating an end
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to the war with ukraine this is massive uh this is the first breaking point we've seen since this war
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has started joe biden watched it go on for years in his administration did nothing about it i'm not sure
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he probably even knew there was a war going on over there with his mental capabilities and mental
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mindset but that president trump is sending marco rubio over to ukraine next week to meet with
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zelinski to figure out a way uh forward if zelinski doesn't want to end this war it tells us all we need
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to know president trump also demanding uh 500 billion dollars in rare earth minerals from ukraine as a
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repayment for all that money uh we let them we lent them we gave them whatever way you want to look at
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it uh the way i look at it is we're never getting it back it was money we essentially gifted to them
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uh with no strings attached but we'll see what happens uh with that our guest today is the director
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for priests of life father frank pavone he's a man who's been at the forefront of fighting for life
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uh for uh for the sanctity of life uh he was defrocked over a year ago by the catholic church
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for simply supporting donald j trump as president of the united states imagine that
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most pro-life president we've had in my lifetime a lot of people's lifetimes perhaps ever
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and the catholic church defrocked him for supporting president trump father frank pavone
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father pavone it's great to have you with us uh today on the great america show i really appreciate
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you joining us uh we're going to get to in a little bit uh your recent uh pro-life leadership
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coalition but first i want to get to some politics because that's what we like to talk about here on
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this show uh the pope i'm not entirely sure what's going on with this man i had a bingo card for
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president trump in this this uh administration and i have something that's not on my bingo card or i
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think anyone's bingo card i want to play it for you take a listen
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morning has some very harsh words for the i got harsh words for the pope pope want to fix the
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catholic church i'm saying this is a lifelong catholic baptize catholic our first communion is
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catholic confirmation of catholic he ought to fix the catholic church and concentrate on his work
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and leave border enforcement to us he wants to attack us for securing our border he's got a wall
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around the vatican does he not so he's got a wall around protect his people and himself but we can't
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all around the united states so i wish he'd stick to the catholic church and fix that
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tom holman president trump's border czar uh hitting them where it hurts uh let's begin with that first
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a bit hypocritical of the pope wouldn't you say i i think so john i i i think it's very unfortunate that
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uh somebody who obviously doesn't understand the united states very well uh that pope francis would uh
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would be talking about this i mean we see him you know receiving biden over there and at the
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vatican and of course president trump did uh visit over there as well but it's like how much
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conversation has taken place between the pope's people uh and and and tom holman and and president
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trump's uh uh cabinet and officials and it's like what is he just saying this out in the public to make
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uh political points and here john is the other thought that went through my mind as soon as i heard this
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where was the voice of the pope all during the biden administration
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about the crisis that was unleashed at the border by by opening it up that was a humanitarian crisis
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it remains now of course it's being reined in thank god but but that was an awful crisis it was a had
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moral dimensions to it people were suffering and dying and being killed and and bringing in terrorism
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and drugs across the border it's like where was his voice then you want to jump in now what about the
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last four years you know it's i as tom holman i'm a lifelong catholic baptized i received all the
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communion the sacraments and everything i'm eligible to be married in a catholic church should i ever
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decide to get married um but it's truly disheartening to see i've spent some time in the vatican i've
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probably been there three or four times in my life uh the most beautiful place probably on earth the
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one of probably the most sacred places on earth um and i just sit back here a few hundred miles away
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in new york and think about what this man has done to the catholic church when you started your your
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process to become a priest to become a father did you ever think you'd see a day where you'd see
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transgender activity in the catholic church i mean this is just among some of the the craziest things
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this man has allowed in the church but something as simple as that did you ever imagine you'd see a
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day that would come in the catholic church no i mean you know you study church history and you know
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there's bad popes throughout history and you know the law of averages is eventually you're going to see
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another bad pope uh we've kind of been spoiled you know in your lifetime in mine i mean we've had
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saints as popes most of the time right john the 23rd was canonized the saint same thing with paul the
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sixth then of course john paul ii john paul the great these men were saints so literally and uh and
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i mean after a while your luck runs out right and we get somebody like this uh no he's been a disaster
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really and you know what what what the what the biggest disaster is the role of the pope and you
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can trace this right back to scripture when jesus says to peter confirm strengthen your brethren
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the role of the pope is to be that clarifying unifying voice here is the faith who leaves you
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no doubt no question his job is to set those clear boundaries this is catholic teaching this is not
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this man does just the opposite you know and and and if you have to have like his defenders and
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theologians coming forward and and starting to parse for us and you've seen this done as i have
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you know line by line page after page oh here but here's what he really meant and here's why it
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really doesn't depart from catholic teaching and here's this fine distinction and that fine distinction
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you know what that just reinforces our argument and our concerns because if that's what you have to do
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when the pope speaks well then you're saying the pope failed he's supposed to be a clarion clear call
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here is the faith you know the good thing is the consolation in all of this is that the faith is wide
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open for all of us to know and to see and to read and understand we don't need uh to go to a priest a
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bishop a pope oh what is the faith teaches what is the faith teaches pick up the catechism learn you
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know look at the life of the church we know what the faith says and that's where you know the pope
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the bishops all of us we are all accountable to that teaching that has been handed on from the beginning
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yeah and you know what there's no better person to be talking about this than you because you were
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held accountable and defrocked by the catholic church for supporting president trump where this
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this pope paraded joe biden you've seen some famous priests across the country allowing joe biden to
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receive communion when he's a known uh harbiter of abortionists uh allows it same thing with nancy
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pelosi the drunken uh former speaker of the house uh support abortion but they go to receive communion
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like it like it's some sort of dinner uh it's truly remarkable good it's a major scandal it's a major
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scandal and as you know i think as many of our viewers know you know i've devoted my life in
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ministry to fighting abortion and i've had the permission and blessing of the church to do that
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uh for the last 32 years uh and yet come come along pope francis now even under his pontificate
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my work has been in fact i've talked with him like five times face to face so he has encouraged my
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work he has he has uh blessed my work at various times but then there came a certain point where
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certain bishops who were complaining like you said about president trump and my my unwavering support
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of president trump uh they convinced pope francis to literally throw me out of the priesthood and
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it's like fortunately our work at priesthood continues because we're governed and financed
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independently uh of the pope and the bishop so uh we're in union with the teaching of the church
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but we we continue on with our work but it's a sad thing you know what it is and and you know
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anyone who studies my whole story because it's all out there we got nothing to hide we share our story
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publicly um it will see a parallel john between the weaponization of american government and the
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things that were thrown at president trump all the lawfare you'll see a parallel between that
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and weaponization of church government so they use they have the same mo they have the same i think
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it's some of the same people as a matter of fact um but you know when they don't want the word of
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truth whether it's standing for pro-life standing for freedom standing for the constitution whatever
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it is all of this stuff goes together the enemies of that have the same game plan and this canceled
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culture the canceled culture in america that that now thank god the voters have have decisively
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rejected has also been happening in the catholic church and it's time for us to decisively reject
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it in the church as well some really good points you just made there i want to delve into some of
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them uh one of my notes i just wrote down here is trump versus the church where do you believe
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that disconnect came at what point there's got to be a reason uh for the church to disassociate
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themselves and to defrock you and and and to not want to be associated with you further than you
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just political uh uh uh points it yeah at what point did the the catholic church uh become so
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disconnected with reality uh that they were so they so hated trump i mean as far as i'm concerned
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president trump was a lifelong democrat it became a republican was pro uh pro-choice became pro-life
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isn't that exactly what the catholic church tries to uh bring out of every single person uh in america
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and and there's another adding to what you're saying very valid points is another reason why
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these bishops and the pope himself should be very supportive of president trump i've been saying to
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them he's the best friend uh that the church has here because of the following i've always said
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during the election i said look i'm not necessarily looking for a president who lives my faith i'm looking
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for a president who's going to defend my right to live my faith and even when it comes to issues like
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abortion which is my primary uh issue um i'm not looking for him to be able to give the pro-life
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speeches and articulate this the same way that i would i'm looking for him to defend the tools i need
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to articulate that position and to defend the unborn and that's exactly what he's doing freedom of
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speech he released the pro-life uh prisoners from from the what he called the biden gulag he he he's
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strengthening our freedom of expression even for clergy in the pulpit president trump has been
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strengthening their freedom to say what's on their mind so it's like he's the best friend we've got
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i think that to your question it probably goes back a long time and i think that now that we are
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pulling the veil away off of the deep state we see the stuff that just very recently has been happening
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with exposing all this absolutely crazy spending that's been going on right millions of dollars to
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help people in other countries to use the right pronouns for genders that don't even exist right
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it's like all of this corruption is being exposed right usaid and it's even as you have seen
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likely the pope knows this too and i think that that that that that disconnect started to happen
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when they realized that president trump was the one who was going to uncover the deep state
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and decimate it because i'm convinced that there's a lot of connection between the deep state
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and what we can call the deep church and once they realized i think they realized that pretty quickly
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that president trump as president was not going to tolerate any of this corruption that's when they
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started to say we've got to keep this man from uh from getting into power you bring up two really
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good points and i want to take a quick break here because i want to spend a whole segment on this
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the deep state and the deep church uh there's so much to talk about and there's so much detail to go
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into i don't want to come up against a hard break so we're going to take a quick break here we're
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talking with father frank provone he's the director for priest for life we're coming right back folks stay with us
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to break there we were talking about deep state versus the deep church and the weaponization of the
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church um let's start with the deep state and the deep church what characteristics do you think it is
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that that the deep church feared in president trump when president trump came around in 2016 what were
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they so worried about president trump uncovering now the other thing too is president trump is extremely
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practical you know him i know him he's not the kind of man where you have to write letters to and you
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have to go through procedural things he's the kind of man father where if you were in a meeting with
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him and you asked him for something and he said yes to you it would get done there's no red tape right
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right that's a threat to some people because uh there's a lot of people and paper pushers and
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want to be high paid attorneys who want everything to go procedurally done whereas president trump just
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wants to get it done so uh that's the issue i see with a lot of these people who saw him as a threat
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what are some of the things that you saw characteristic wise of the weaponization of the
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church and the weaponization of donald tree trump yeah i think part of it has to do with the um
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you know the freedom of people to speak you know there is a uh of course america is based on the genius
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that if you have people saying bad things false things well then the way to correct that is not
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for power from on high to censor and silence the the the way to correct that is to encourage more
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speech because enough people who know the truth will then speak out and counteract the errors that
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other people say you don't have to to take away anybody's freedom to say it now within the catholic
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church there's far less free speech than one might think uh i mean free speech is rooted not just in
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the constitution is rooted in human dignity so you would expect the church to want to encourage that
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and yet my experience has been just so for decades that when you want to say something within the
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church that a particular bishop who might be in charge or a particular pope doesn't want to hear
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uh because they're supporting a contrary movement or a contrary idea or a contrary political agenda
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they silence you they silence you they sideline you and they what they do is they'll say
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well you can no longer invite you know so and so to speak in your diocese or to speak in your
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churches and the one pattern and and we see this in the way that also the democrats have treated trump
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the pattern you will see right across the board is that they don't consider themselves obliged to offer
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any explanation that is rational by any standard no reason i was told multiple times when when certain
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bishops told me to you know keep quiet about my about my pro-life message believe it or not and and and
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about my my uh my political opinions told me to keep quiet i said well can you point to anything that is
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contrary to the church teaching because hey if i've said something contrary to church teaching either i'm
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going to correct it or i'm not going to claim to embrace church teaching anymore uh but they couldn't
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they couldn't offer any example of that and you know what they actually told me literally i was sitting
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down with a cardinal one time and he said to me that we don't have to give you any reason now
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you know i does that sound like does that sound like communist to you you know we don't have to
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give you any we're the ones in charge and that's all that matters i said no that's not all that matters
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what matters is that we're both human beings you know and and and and there's an equality there
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so so the censorship is one is it and why what would they want to censor you know there's a lot
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of a lot of um you know the the opposition to president trump we know has come from the the
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globalist community right this notion that nations really don't matter that much we want to create you
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know one world government and one world economy and all this stuff and president trump is like no
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america first america matters that flag stands for something and this is where we have to stand
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and and and there are those in the church i think at the level of the vatican and a lot of the bishops
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they really are into this globalist thing and uh they want to silence anything that's going to
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challenge that or even to make it's not even the arguments against it it's even to make people aware
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that there's a problem in the first place i i think mark levin has done a great job here with his book
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the democrat party hates america yeah a nice thick book i was i was referencing it all during the recent
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election i said people got to read this because it's not just a hyper it's not a hyperbolic statement
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it's not just venting it's a conclusion of a lot of scholarly research the democrat party does hate
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america and a lot of the reasons for that are are i think shared by some of these church leaders
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you know it i was at a church for a uh a funeral a mass uh maybe two or three months ago from my uncle
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who passed away from 9 11 it was a new york police uh officer and died from 9 11 related injuries uh
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died from brain cancer from it um that's a whole different story about how new york city tried to
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scam out uh these uh first responders and these brave folks didn't want to pay out the families when
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they died totally sick but what can you expect from new york and we're sitting there for the eulogy
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from this priest and uh first of all you it's very hard people don't who don't go to church
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don't realize this to get an american priest these days it's a lot of foreigners who come to america
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who want to be priests god bless them but the truth of the matter is is you listen to some of these
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masses and you really can't understand what some of them are saying with the thick and heavy accents
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so you have to put in a little extra good word to get an american speaking priest so we do that we
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get a we get an american priest a man who spoke so everybody can understand him and this man starts
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talking about loving and caring for one another and being inclusive and and i was sitting there
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looking at the casket and my uncle's like a hardcore republican and i'm sitting there and i'm going to
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uncle bob is rolling over and rolling over and rolling over but we're sitting there for a eulogy and
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these guys have the audacity to go ahead and start talking politics about being inclusive and i almost
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wanted to get up and and say something but i didn't want to be that member of the family but
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it's it's it's all throughout there and it's it's with the race we're in black black history month
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right now i was at an event the other day and they start reading about black history and i got up and
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walked out i'm not racist but it's it's it's not inclusive when you're separating two races okay that's
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what we fought against segregation is what we fought against so that we're all one people doesn't matter
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skin color we're all the same on the inside and for you want me to sit there and listen to you
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preach about black people doing this it's disrespectful to the black folks who want to be
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just like everybody else and treated just like everybody else your thoughts yeah exactly and then
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so many of these pastors are they're deep into this racism lgbtq and whatnot it it's it's allowed
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because of a weakening of the faith whereby you say you take one half of the gospel message so the
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one half is hey we're here for everybody everybody is welcome well that that's true we're here for
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everybody everybody's welcome but then the other half of it is well when we welcome you what are we
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welcoming you to right we're welcoming you to a community that has an identity that identity is
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created by a word that has been spoken it's the word of god and it it articulates a way of life
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and that way of life says that certain activities are are in accordance with god's will and certain
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ones aren't so right away it's like who are we if we can't get this whole thing correct about what
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actual racism is versus you know the the crt idea of racism that we're in has somehow somehow i'm
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inherently racist and i can't do anything about it right that's completely contrary to the christian
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teaching about free will repentance how can i repent of something that that i didn't choose in
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the first place so the whole thing is a denial of the gospel and we see some of these priests i think
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some clergy have fallen into it uh john not even realizing what they've fallen into you know i think
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it's like part of the milieu they drank it when they were in the seminary it gets reinforced through
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their buddies that they could and a lot of them i i don't think they've even realized what they've
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fallen into i think a lot of others including people at the level of bishops they know exactly
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what's going on here and they literally believe in a different religion than those of us who are
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sitting in the pews like you describe you and your family are doing you're expecting to hear
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the gospel and church teaching and solid stuff you want to be fed spiritually these guys are on a
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different track and they have a different agenda they believe in a different gospel you know i go to
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church and it's it's sort of like for people who don't go to church and i i'll admit i don't go as
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often as i should but when i go there i i literally feel at peace you know i feel like nothing else
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matters on the outside world and every time i'm there i tell myself i should be here every single
00:24:59.220
sunday because it's one of the few peace places where i don't have to walk in with a cell phone i don't have to be
00:25:03.700
on my phone i don't have anyone calling me and and i'm at complete peace so to go there and have to
00:25:08.720
hear this stuff i'm like no you know i want to but the other thing that you the point you bring up which
00:25:13.980
i sort of agree but disagree with you on is uh you said that that these people are maybe being a
00:25:20.660
little bit indoctrinated you didn't say the word indoctrinated those are my words but in the seminaries
00:25:24.580
i would agree with you except the only problem is is the folks who are doing this stuff
00:25:29.220
are older generational folks folks your age i'm not saying it's a bad thing but you guys grew up
00:25:35.040
in probably the best times ever you didn't have to deal with what we're dealing with now you didn't
00:25:39.000
have cell phones you didn't have to deal with transgenderism and all this nonsense these are
00:25:44.180
older folks in their 40s and their 50s and their 60s grew up in the 70s and 80s who have like they know
00:25:51.060
right from wrong okay yeah you have a guy in the seminary now father who just got out of high school
00:25:56.320
just got out of college i understand a little bit more but these are folks who are older generational
00:26:01.840
people who have drank the kool-aid and and completely revolutionized themselves into these
00:26:08.440
woke zealots yeah it's it's really it's really bad some of them have been on the wrong track
00:26:13.200
for a long time and uh of course like we were saying before we were blessed with a very long pontificate
00:26:19.320
under under saint john paul ii and uh as a matter of fact i worked at the vatican for a little while
00:26:25.120
myself under him in in the pro-life office uh that he had over there um and there were people
00:26:31.400
even back then they were on the wrong side of the fence and they would try to oppose or undermine
00:26:35.680
things that john paul ii was doing so we do have a division here we have a division there is a deep
00:26:42.200
church just like there's a deep state uh they have a different agenda they have the same uh uh mo as the
00:26:49.340
as the as what we've seen the democrats do in the american government and we've just got to be aware of
00:26:54.260
this you know somebody who has pointed this out very in very much detail is archbishop diganel who
00:26:59.360
you know like myself was was badly treated by this pope and um and he has nevertheless exposed
00:27:05.880
a lot of this uh stuff that's uh that's going on yeah it's it's truly remarkable i just get
00:27:12.320
something here sent over to me here uh that uh pope francis has sent over a letter to u.s bishops i
00:27:18.740
don't know if you haven't had the chance to read this yet um but uh it's truly unbelievable uh now
00:27:25.860
if you if you uh break into the vatican or uh do any sort of destruction it's one to four years in
00:27:31.920
jail a minimum of a 26 000 fine so that's if you break into the vatican if you break into america it's
00:27:37.900
no problem especially if you don't live in america but he writes this uh this this letter to the
00:27:42.980
bishops quote i'm writing to you today to address a few words uh these delicate moments that you're
00:27:48.180
living in as pastors of people of god who walk together in the united states of america
00:27:52.240
one the journey from slavery to freedom that the people of israel traveled as narrated in the book
00:27:57.980
of exodus invites us to look at the reality of time so clearly marked by the phenomenon of migration
00:28:03.200
as a decisive moment in history to reaffirm not only our faith in god who was always close
00:28:08.940
incarnate migrate and refugee but also infinite and transcendent dignity of every human person
00:28:16.500
he's this is a man who's the pope a man of the catholic church and he's writing this thing as if he's
00:28:23.160
some sort of politician uh who does he think he is uh to be trying to talk sense or politics in
00:28:33.020
america it's mind-blowing to me well you know that they that what he has to realize is the american
00:28:38.820
people have spoken we've made a decision right in this election we have had enough of the open
00:28:45.560
border we have had enough of gangs coming into our neighborhood we've had enough of our kids being
00:28:50.640
killed by fentanyl that has come over the border enough is enough so what he's doing i think by
00:28:56.960
issuing this letter and the bishops who are going to regurgitate it is just going to increase
00:29:04.040
the alienation the alienation that many catholics are experiencing not from the church itself because
00:29:10.740
we know hey listen i'm not going to give my enemies any power over me to lose my relationship
00:29:16.540
with christ the sacraments now and the truth of the of the faith that it doesn't affect our relationship
00:29:21.660
with the faith but politically and and in terms of uh recognizing that there are wolves in sheep's
00:29:29.060
clothing here no he's only increasing that alienation uh this is not going to work you know
00:29:34.760
i one of the things i was thinking on on november 6th right after we got this great victory in the
00:29:39.480
election i said wow the american people have rejected this open border ideology uh and it's really a
00:29:47.100
it's really a a it's a hijacking of some very legitimate ideas of course these are human beings of course
00:29:53.780
they have human dignity of course we need to welcome people to the extent we are able and the
00:29:59.220
catholic catechism puts those boundaries there he says the welcoming nation they've got to have their
00:30:04.780
own laws they've got to take care of their own people and they've got to set limits which then
00:30:08.560
the person wanting to enter the country must obey so all of that is part of catholic teaching
00:30:14.380
but if you hijack that just for a political position and this is what you're pointing out very very
00:30:21.420
uh accurately then that's that's wrong that's a disservice to the people because you're pretending
00:30:27.900
as if there's only one part of the immigration message oh the dignity of these people and the
00:30:32.920
need to welcome them i heard one bishop say you know an encounter with every migrant is an encounter
00:30:39.400
with jesus christ and my response to him was yeah except when they're coming to rape you kill you kill
00:30:45.120
your kids with drugs or blow up cities you know but we know that people have human dignity even
00:30:51.340
if they do evil but the fact of the matter is that's not the relevant point in this whole problem
00:30:57.940
of how do we how do we protect our nation how do we control this immigration problem they're so
00:31:03.300
missing the point and you got to think this you know a lot of these guys aren't they more intelligent
00:31:08.000
than this and that because that's what leads to the question i mean ultimately the question boils
00:31:12.140
down to are you stupid or are you evil or both you know right i mean is that they don't understand
00:31:17.620
this basic point we're making now or is that they they don't care and they're just pushing a political
00:31:22.520
ideology yeah you know the the overwhelm we all have hearts at the end of the day right we do feel
00:31:27.940
for the folks who have come here to seek refuge right we as human beings we have hearts but at the end
00:31:34.700
of the day we are a law of nations and you know i i tend to think that the the overwhelming majority
00:31:40.720
of people who do come here illegally break the law illegally are coming for the right reason to make money
00:31:45.620
and live a better life but at the end of the day as i said we are a law of nations now it takes one
00:31:52.460
bad apple to ruin it for everybody which is what's happening we've got drug dealers coming in sex
00:31:57.840
traffickers uh human track where's the pope draw the line i mean where do you draw the line that okay
00:32:05.540
this guy could come in but this guy can't come in first of all second of all why doesn't he open the
00:32:10.240
doors doors to the vatican why doesn't he open the doors to the vatican why doesn't he build
00:32:14.900
refugee sites in italy i'm sure there'd be plenty of refugees uh from africa who go up into europe
00:32:22.520
uh who would love to live in italy well you know and and writing a letter like this to the united
00:32:28.640
states bishops again from the outside like he is and without you know a whole lot of consultation with
00:32:33.780
the trump people uh you know as you've been in office of what just a few weeks now at the point that
00:32:39.140
you and i are talking um would suggest too that it's like wait a second are you why are you perpetuating
00:32:45.820
uh also this this misconception that the trump administration is being completely
00:32:51.200
non-discriminatory in in just oh let's get them all kick them all out of the country that's actually
00:32:56.800
not what's happening they are prioritizing this tom holman has explained this very well
00:33:01.320
we're starting with the most dangerous people you know you're going to disagree with that you know
00:33:06.760
in other words treat fairly the people you're criticizing and and they say look they are being
00:33:12.340
discriminatory they are being common sense this is going to be an administration of common sense
00:33:17.020
the trump administration that common sense and they're starting with the worst offenders and then
00:33:22.080
and then as as as things improve then we address all the rest of it but you know illegal is illegal
00:33:28.580
like you say we're a nation of laws illegal is illegal and people oh well not all the not all
00:33:33.960
the illegal immigrants are immigrants are criminals what do you mean if they're here illegally they've
00:33:39.100
committed a crime you can't you you can't ignore that but at the same time the administration is being
00:33:45.740
smart in the way that they're prioritizing the deportation it's like why can't we have a rational
00:33:50.840
conversation about this because these are marxist uh father it's what they are um i'll give you my two
00:33:57.640
sense on i don't think donald trump's going to wind up deporting and i'm not saying i agree or
00:34:01.120
disagree with this but i don't think he's going to wind up going to to deport folks who are working
00:34:06.340
in kitchens across america right working that's just my personal opinion i think it's going to be
00:34:11.440
too hard to do uh and i think he'll probably lose support of the republican party among things like that
00:34:16.880
that's my personal opinion i'm not saying because i know the audience is probably getting red in the
00:34:20.800
face right now uh that i'm saying this but that's just my personal opinion of what i think is going to
00:34:26.140
happen um who knows we'll see what happens i want to take one more quick break here when we return i
00:34:31.020
want to talk about your pro-life leadership coalition and the letter you just sent to congress i also want
00:34:36.480
to talk about some other issues that are plaguing the catholic church catholic church that the pope
00:34:40.940
doesn't want to talk about and some of these folks some charities and 501c3s who are helping uh
00:34:48.120
illegals come to this country even if they're being raped or not we're coming right back with father
00:34:52.800
frank pavone he's the director for priesthood life stay with us i'm excited to announce that
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00:36:03.040
father what's that website again wherever we can go if they want to donate or check you out
00:36:06.740
oh yes pro-life vote pro-life vote.com pro-life vote.com you heard the man uh go check it out
00:36:13.440
we encourage you guys to uh pass a pastor i'm thinking of talking to robert jeffress
00:36:19.000
father uh i want to turn to an issue that's been plaguing the catholic church which i talk about
00:36:24.320
often on the show because i don't shy away from anything and it's one that's been plaguing the
00:36:29.520
catholic church for a very very long time and it's pedophilia yes um pope wants to talk about
00:36:35.700
illegal immigrants why is he not addressing the number one issue right now happening inside his church
00:36:42.520
which is probably happening i hate to say this probably somewhere in a church as we speak right
00:36:48.740
now oh it's really it's really a tragedy it has to be addressed constantly uh uh many of these uh
00:36:56.500
bishops and the pope you know have indeed uh spoken about this but uh you know when they begin to
00:37:03.300
make unfair criticisms this is going to be brought back in front of them just like you're raising now
00:37:08.500
and uh it you know it all boils down to uh the fact that if you're going to be a leader in this in any
00:37:15.300
kind of spiritual way it starts with one thing and that's called repentance we look at ourselves first
00:37:21.240
we never go out and try to get other people to live according to the moral law unless we are starting
00:37:27.460
with saying lord i have i have failed i have broken the moral law myself i repent now the fact that we're
00:37:34.380
sinners and the fact that we may have failed doesn't mean that we lose the the right and even
00:37:40.100
the duty to correct other sinners but what you're raising is a very important issue that yeah we've got
00:37:46.700
a lot of things to to clean up within the household of god and that's got to be uh their primary focus
00:37:53.000
you bring up such a good point i have a buddy of mine who drinks every day drinks beers every single
00:37:58.340
day and every time i tell him to stop drinking so much he says we all sin differently and you know
00:38:03.140
there's a very big line between uh some of the sins that these folks are committing in the church
00:38:09.300
and and drinking a little bit too much um but you know it's truly a travesty uh one of the high schools
00:38:15.340
i went to in staten island new york years after i graduated turned out the monsignor was accused of
00:38:20.740
making sexual advances on kids and i had buddies call me and joke about it i said he knew probably knew
00:38:26.320
better not to mess with me because i would have broken his neck yeah there's the folks who are
00:38:31.320
getting this and you constantly see them they're the vulnerable people they're not the football players
00:38:36.020
uh they're not the baseball players these are the kids who come from broken households the people
00:38:40.220
who come from households where it's very very sad and the catholic church doesn't want to talk about
00:38:46.040
that but i bring this point up again they were so quick to diff rock you for supporting donald trump
00:38:52.560
does anyone not see the problem that we have here
00:38:56.500
yeah right i mean does anyone see like the balance of the scale the the lady justice
00:39:04.120
yeah no a lot of people brought that up to me you know when they were expressing support for my
00:39:08.640
situation say hey he's he's punishing you for doing pro-life work and and and and supporting the
00:39:14.040
most pro-life president we've ever had it says and when is he going to kick out some of these priests
00:39:18.020
that are doing some of these terrible crimes that you're referring to he the pope himself is leaving
00:39:21.720
in place some of these priests that are that that where it's not just a suspicion it's it's proven
00:39:26.540
that they're doing this kind of activity so you know what though you know dan bongino points out
00:39:31.600
something that that i often reference and it is that when we see this kind of double standard when we
00:39:37.720
see this kind of hypocrisy you know we often use those words oh it's a double standard it's hypocrisy
00:39:42.720
and dan says you know it's not really just that it's hierarchy and then of course the word has
00:39:49.260
particular applications of the what we're talking about the catholic bishops and the pope hierarchy
00:39:53.500
but dan even uses in a more general sense it's that i have power so i don't care if it seems to
00:40:00.680
be a double standard or is a double standard i don't care that it looks like hypocrisy or is hypocrisy
00:40:06.120
i'm in charge and it's going to be this way i'll do what i want to do and that unfortunately is what
00:40:11.620
we're dealing with here isn't it that it's power it's will it's not reason it's not rationality it's not
00:40:16.700
consistency it's not uh you know following the logic it's power and it's power unfortunately that
00:40:23.020
is corrupt and that's where the people of god you know have to respond we all have to respond by
00:40:28.760
saying i'm going to live in a in a with integrity and i'm going to speak with integrity i think that's
00:40:35.620
one of the the key themes i always come back to in my work and in my battles with some of these
00:40:40.420
bishops is that i say look we all have to be able to say at the end of the day i spoke my mind and if
00:40:48.220
we can't honestly speak what is on our mind and in our heart then we betray our very selves we betray
00:40:54.420
our very lives and uh i always remember charles krauthammer saying that you know when he was dying
00:40:59.220
one of the last things he said that was his message he says you know speak your mind and i think that's
00:41:04.440
just a key part of the solution of all these ills you know i i hate to say this and it troubles me to
00:41:11.540
say it but we've seen a lot of things happen over the last three years and boycotts of companies bud
00:41:16.540
light probably being among the the biggest who still haven't recovered from their idiotic marketing
00:41:22.620
campaign of a transgender but maybe it's time for the american as you put it in the in the first segment
00:41:28.460
being a catholic is a way of life it's not something you have to subscribe to and pay for
00:41:34.000
something maybe you go pick up you probably don't have to pick up pay for a bible you can go get
00:41:39.040
somewhere for free you download the apps on your phone it's something you subscribe to it's a it's
00:41:43.440
a belief i always joke with people i meet who tell me they're half catholic or they're half jewish and
00:41:48.220
they're they're half another religion and i told them it's not possible because it's a belief you can't
00:41:53.140
be half it's not like you're half italian and and half irish it's a belief it's a belief system
00:41:57.960
it's something that you believe in something that you subscribe to spiritually all right it's not
00:42:03.040
something maybe it's time that people start boycotting the catholic church and i think
00:42:06.980
we're seeing it right here in new york catholic schools closing at record rates and i think it's
00:42:14.060
it's it's got to be part to do with that it's part of the indoctrination um eventually it's going to pose
00:42:20.220
a problem because the catholic church is going to run out of money is that is that something you see
00:42:24.800
happening you know well you bring up a very very good point and let me uh flesh it out a little bit
00:42:30.460
okay so first of all the catholic church is very very big and very very diverse uh my one of my
00:42:36.560
mentors father benedict groschel used to say the catholic church is so old and so big just about
00:42:41.960
anything you say about it is true you know it was an interesting insight then and i say this to point
00:42:47.540
out the following wonder the umbrella of what we call the catholic church there are thousands of
00:42:54.280
different ministries and we call them apostolates in other words groups of people getting together
00:42:59.180
to do a good work some form of service to god's people some form of teaching of some aspect of the
00:43:06.980
gospel so people in other words when they say people might be asked or do you donate to the
00:43:12.260
catholic church well it's not like it's one place you go to donate you don't donate to the catholic
00:43:16.640
church you donate to a specific ministry in the catholic church to a religious order to a specific
00:43:22.860
parish to a specific diocese to the bishop's appeal now i have a lot of people who say to me listen
00:43:28.280
they'll say to me well let me just talk in my own circle right so we have our ministry priests for
00:43:32.960
life people will say to me hey listen i'm a practicing catholic i support your ministry i don't
00:43:40.880
support my diocese because my bishop in my diocese is woke he's not doing the right thing he's a
00:43:46.320
globalist he's a marxist whatever and it's like hey listen you make that judgment you support and so
00:43:52.840
they're still supporting catholic teaching and work there but but it's like so you don't have to feel
00:43:59.380
like you're you're abandoning the church you're not abandoning the church there are many different
00:44:03.660
ministries within the church and this is where i think people should have in line with what you're
00:44:08.160
saying they should have the freedom to evaluate what are these who am i going to give this money to
00:44:15.020
what are they doing what's the work they're doing are they you know people of good standing and being
00:44:19.980
honest and and and and honest responsible people and it's a work i believe in so if it's the pro-life
00:44:26.040
work or if it's some ministry that's serving the sick or the poor you know you don't have to support
00:44:30.640
necessarily your diocese or even your parish and if you're going to a parish that's not feeding you
00:44:35.580
spiritually find another one that is there are a lot of good ones out there you know there's a lot
00:44:39.980
of good clergy out there doing great work so the people of god i guess if we wanted to summarize
00:44:44.460
we have to say let's be more discerning than we have been in the past let's be more particular
00:44:50.880
about how we're going to give our money to support the catholic church it's not either on or off either
00:44:57.080
i'm with the church or i'm i'm a rebellion against the church it's not that at all the church is very
00:45:01.360
big very diverse get to know all these different distinctions it sucks that something like this has
00:45:07.460
to even be brought up but it usually takes something catastrophic to happen for something to be done
00:45:13.880
about it yeah president trump almost getting his head shot off she has the way that secret service
00:45:18.500
started protecting him uh plane crash in washington dc change the route that uh helicopters shouldn't be
00:45:25.740
flying uh past airplanes that are landing uh right in front of them uh it's it's terrible that we
00:45:31.960
haven't learned i mean we're the smartest uh nation in the world we have the the most brilliant innovators
00:45:38.620
uh in the world uh for us to have to constantly constantly learn the hard way it's truly ridiculous
00:45:46.880
in my opinion um i want to turn to somebody else another organization that i think needs to to feel
00:45:53.840
the pain and it's a catholic charities people don't realize the catholic charities and the red cross are the
00:45:59.640
two that i'll give you off the top of my mind that i know about but i know there's a lot of
00:46:02.780
other 501c3s who are taking advantage of that 501c uh three tax abatement we'll call it um the catholic
00:46:11.640
charities what people don't realize is how much work they do on the southern border and it's not work
00:46:16.680
that you would think they're not sitting there protecting people they're harboring people they're
00:46:20.620
allowing the illegals to come in they're they're bringing them along the routes they're teaching them
00:46:24.900
how to get there uh they're setting up campsites to these people how do we get these people the heck
00:46:30.520
out of the business of politics well you know uh president trump is helping quite a bit now with
00:46:37.120
doge and you know we're going to see a lot of this funding being a lot of the funding that's being
00:46:41.780
cut now is funding that makes its way into catholic charities i say good if they're if they're not
00:46:47.880
facilitating uh uh the law you know you can you can make a whole lot of reason you can rationalize
00:46:54.960
why you're breaking the law and use compassion as an example if you look oh yeah i'm gonna go steal
00:46:59.900
i'm gonna go steal from the grocery store later on because i got a friend who's hungry you know so i
00:47:04.360
make the argument based on human dignity and my compassion for the hungry man for breaking the law
00:47:09.020
no that's not how it works and i think you know you're bringing up an important point i think what we've
00:47:13.320
got to do i think what we've got to do has already started to happen we've got first of all
00:47:17.680
those now in power in america legitimately you know god bless elon musk and and president trump
00:47:23.960
and everybody's working together identify the problem and just turn off the money that's going
00:47:29.400
into all of this and secondly for the rest of us we're not in those positions of political decision
00:47:36.200
making but we have a voice and i think if we bring attention to these things on social media in
00:47:41.980
private conversations even in communication with our pastors let our pastors start hearing about
00:47:47.460
this and and and and you know i i think we all have a role here and it just starts with just
00:47:53.740
shedding the light on what's happening and and and let's have the backs of our our president and and
00:48:00.860
and all of those he's asking to enforce these things people like tom holman we saw the clip of
00:48:05.680
him earlier people like elon musk defend these people on social media defend them in conversations
00:48:11.800
in in editorials and everybody just raise your voice uh really really loud really really consistently
00:48:18.580
i think john that that's the path forward yeah and i i often tell people on this show and i tell you
00:48:24.600
something i don't tell you to take my word for it i'm giving it to you as fact but i ask you to go
00:48:28.960
do the research yourself you can go to uh cccsny.org and that's the catholic charities of new york right here
00:48:37.620
and right on their home page it says immigration legal services we provide legal consultations
00:48:42.400
represent representation and assistance to documented and undocumented immigrants we also
00:48:48.460
provide services with office spanning from manhattan staten island the bronx west chester
00:48:52.000
they get these people jobs in the harbor along the way they're partaking in criminal acts and the only
00:48:58.100
way for the american people to find out about this folks like you and i to get the word out to them
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otherwise they're in the dark uh my father goes to an event every single year for the catholic
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charities gives them thousands of dollars until i went to him and told him do you know what these
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people do and my father's more right-wing than i am and he didn't have nice things to say but
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nonetheless he never cut a check again but that's the way it has to be it's the word of mouth because
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people don't know and it's not their fault is you know what you think you're giving to a good cause
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the same thing with the red cross uh you know you think you're giving to a good cause but who really
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sees this money um father bavone i promise we'll give you some time at the end of the show to talk
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about your pro-life leadership coalition so now's the time let's get to it the floor is yours
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as much time as we need to get through this well thank you so much like we mentioned already in this
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program prolifevote.com is one of our main websites and what we did recently at our headquarters
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here at priest for life we gathered together uh about 16 national pro-life leaders now there are
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many many groups many different groups we do strive to work together and for decades i've been
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privileged to uh to organize meetings of the pro-life leaders and one of the things that came out of that
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meeting was and people can see this on pro-life vote is a letter to congress one of the key
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opportunities the pro-life movement has at the moment and it's actually in line with all this stuff
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we've been talking about with doge uncovering you know where's all this wasteful spending going um
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is this part of the thing that's being uncovered is the wasteful spending of our taxpayer dollars
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going to planned parenthood and to the abortion industry and to abortions themselves there's been
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um just too much spending of taxpayer money for the abortion procedures to be carried out
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and for organizations that either perform or promote abortions to be funded both in america
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and overseas president trump is all in favor of stopping this and those were some of the first
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executive actions he took in the very first seven days of his second term to cut off money from these
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groups that promote abortion overseas we've been seeing for example uh the united states under democrat
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administration saying to countries where you know they need our help to develop their their economy
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or their agriculture and and and we actually attach strings to our humanitarian assistance to the to
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the tune of well you've got to change your laws on abortion you've got to allow the killing of your
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unborn children then we'll give you money to feed your born children i mean this is just insanity
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so what we have said as pro-life leaders to the congress is look all the polling shows that the
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american people don't want their money to pay for abortions even if someone says i'm pro-choice i think
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abortion should be legal still they don't want to pay for it for the most part secondly uh the president
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has taken executive actions we expected him to take to start cutting off a lot of this funding
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from from the killing of children and third bills have been introduced in congress our friend congressman
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chris smith for example i've worked with him for for decades uh the no taxpayer funding for abortion
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uh bill uh would would just simplify and extend across all government agencies this basic basic norm that
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no our money is not going to be used to kill somebody else's baby um so we're calling on congress
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to do the task to do the job we we've also seen elon musk speak out about the wasteful spending to
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planned parenthood he did that in an editorial last month together with vivek ramaswamy so it's
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encouraging that they're pointing this out it's in their consciousness it's in their awareness
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bills have been introduced executive actions taken polling is with us now's the time to defund
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planned parenthood and the abortion industry and we have uh this statement here people can see it on
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pro-life vote spread it around from uh from all these pro-life leaders representing millions and
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millions of americans i would say tens of millions and uh we're going to keep pushing for this and
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we're urging people to talk to their their representative and their two u.s senators and
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say listen enough of this money going to uh going to abortion you know abortion such a sick and
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disgusting thing the thing that actually hurts my soul about it uh father is how mainstream the
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democrats have made it now i understand there's people who are are pro-choice okay i don't
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understand the rationale they're thinking behind it but i understand there's people who have that
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opinion okay and they're never going to change their mind maybe unless something as i said before
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catastrophic happens for them to open their eyes and realize it but what the democrats have done with
00:53:46.320
abortion is super disgusting because they made it like it's a cool thing right yeah it's cool to have an
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abortion first of all you go out and you see these rallies and i'm not being mean about it but you
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look at some of these women who are holding up these signs they don't have to worry about ever having
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abortions because there's nobody who in their right mind is going to impregnate them in the first place
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but what they've done is so disgusting with making it so mainstream and cool you're cool if you have an
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abortion what is cool about that what's right about i had an argument with a family member about this
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there's nothing cool about it it's sick and it's disgusting um you know like i had said before
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there's people who are never going to change their mind okay it is what it is but then the people who
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go out there and and and memorialize it they're a whole different type of evil and there's a special
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place in hell for them you get the last word here well i challenge the democrats describe what you
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defend that's one thing they never do john and we have a website called look at abortion.org somebody
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going to argue about her to say it's a good thing or try to celebrate it two websites look at abortion
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and also abortion testimonies that's our silent no more campaign not only does abortion destroy a baby
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and you can see the pictures in the videos of it and look at abortion and these people they don't want
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to describe what they defend but it also harms that mother people who have lifelong uh problems with
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for their fertility their health their relationships their self-esteem it destroys them
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and abortion testimonies.com gives that we have a whole movement worldwide of these testimonies
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abortion harms everything it touches it is disgusting as you say let's face the reality
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and and let's get rid of this cancer on our on our society there's not a ban on contraceptives for a
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reason i say this to all the time to people with the exception of obviously rape and incest there's no
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excuse as to why you're getting pregnant you can go to the store you can go to one of these places
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you get free contraceptive you can go to usa id i i heard they spent like 50 million dollars in
00:55:49.060
condoms there's absolutely no excuses uh you don't want to get pregnant without the two exceptions i
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just said there's no reason for you to get pregnant that there should be no reason we should be even
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having this discussion uh father frank frank bovone prolifevote.com he's the director of priest for
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life come back soon it was great talking with you great to talk to you thanks so much thanks
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everybody for being with us today please be sure to join us back here tomorrow for the great america
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tomorrow same time same place until then may god bless you may god bless america and may god bless the