THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS ALWAYS TRYING TO FIX ITS LAST SOLUTION, SAYS REP. HARRIET HAGEMAN
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Harriet Hageman, a conservative Republican congresswoman from Wyoming, joins Lou Dobbs on the Great America Show to discuss her support for President Trump for re-election in 2024 and her views on the current state of the country.
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Hello America and welcome everybody to the Great America Show. I'm Lou Dobbs and delighted you've
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joined us. This past weekend I took a few hours to rest up and contemplate what's going on in
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this beautiful country of ours. I confess I do the same thing almost every weekend and in fact
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I ruminate and reflect during every day of the week on the very same question and the question
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is how in the world could America be in the mess we're in and why is it our national leaders can't
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find or won't articulate a way out of these trying times even as it becomes increasingly obvious to
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most of us that worse times await us unless we change course unless we mend our ways unless we
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fix problems and resolve conflicts that threaten to tear apart this great republic. Why is it our
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leaders don't feel our urgency? Why is it that working Americans and their families are most
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often the very last in the consideration of our lawmakers and politicians? Why is the white
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American male seemingly the only unprotected group in the country? How is it that teachers are permitted
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to sexualize our public schools and to have superior rights to parents in deciding a child's gender
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identity? Why do we permit what is clearly grooming of public school students? Never before in American
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history have our schools and teachers been allowed to replace parents and family in the lives of their
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children. Never before. How is it that an entire industry has arisen in our medical profession that's
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built on mutilating our children and adults who are sometimes confused adolescents, in some cases
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mentally ill adults? We've reached a point of such confusion and chaos in many of our communities
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that we have to consider the possibility that America is at the precipice of social collapse.
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Who are the protectors of our children if not their parents? Teachers and schools surely are not their
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protectors. In fact, some are predators. And who will protect our children from predators within our
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public schools? Our medical profession? We face madness from every quarter. And certainly not least of all
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from the Biden administration, whose foreign policy postures seem designed to take the United States
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to war. Biden's U.N. ambassador over the weekend saying that China's lethal aid to Russia, if it were to
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occur, would be a, quote, red line for the United States. U.S. Ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield warned China
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that there would be consequences. But not what kind of consequences. But it sounds ominous. As were the
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words of Secretary of State Antony Blinken at the Munich Security Conference over the weekend.
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And the administration stepping up its rhetoric and messaging on Ukraine. Talking not about the
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devastation, destruction and loss of millions of lives in Ukraine, but talking about the war in Ukraine as
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Russia's human rights campaigns as we near the first year anniversary of this war. All while the United
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States and European allies are preparing to ship fighter jets to the Ukrainians and more of U.S.
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advanced weaponry. The Biden regime is never adroit, but now seems committed to the idea that if it only
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ships tens of billions of dollars to Ukraine, more weaponry from our allies and spews nonsense about human
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rights in Ukraine, that that somehow is leadership. Former President Trump continues to act as our
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shadow president on his way to Palestine, Ohio, to look at the Norfolk Southern derailment, the damage it
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did, the hazardous chemicals disaster that it's become, those chemicals contaminating the air, water and soil.
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FEMA says they can't help. President Trump says he will help and will do more in 2024. That's among
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the reasons our guest today endorsed President Trump for president in 2024. She's the new congresswoman
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from Wyoming, Harriet Hageman, who defeated Liz Cheney for the job. She's been a trial attorney for 35
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years. She's a rancher and calls herself an absolutist constitutionalist conservative. Welcome
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to the Great America Show, Congresswoman, and congratulations on your election. Let's start
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with your endorsement of President Trump for 2024 and your reasons. Well, I think it's stated in the
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statement that I issued, which is that I think he's one of the best presidents during my lifetime.
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And for me, the big issue, or one of, there's two big issues. One of them that you've been focusing
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on for decades now, and that is illegal immigration and securing our border. And the second one is
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energy independence. I'm actually sitting in a parking lot right now in Green River, Wyoming,
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in western Wyoming, where we have substantial amount of energy development. We have coal, we have oil and
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gas, we have Toronto, we have uranium in Wyoming. About 40% of all of the energy used in the United States
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comes from Wyoming. And my state is dependent upon our ability to continue to produce and use our
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resources. Donald Trump obviously believed in energy independence, as do I, and the current
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administration does not. So it was just simply a matter of getting out there and explaining why I
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supported him. Well, I knew that Wyoming produced a lot of energy. I didn't realize it was that much.
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That is extraordinary. And do you think we're on our way to energy independence?
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That's my way of asking. That was my way of asking.
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You know, what we're on the way to is energy poverty. We have an administration that is adopting
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policies that are intended to increase the cost of energy, housing, and food. None of which makes any
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sense when you consider the very purpose of our government, which is to protect our natural rights
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and do things like protect our infrastructure and build infrastructure so that we can exercise the
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entitlements that we have in this country. And not by entitlements, I mean, our entitlement to use our
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natural resources, our entitlements to affordable energy, those things. So we have an administration
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that I would say has largely gone to war with the average American citizen, and it makes no sense.
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Well, energy and land use are big items in Wyoming. And I want to start with the idea that we've been
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selling farmland, ranch land, to communist Chinese buyers. How in the world, and I know that you have
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put forward a bill or supporting a bill to stop that, but I just can't understand how in the world we got
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here. You know, I think part of it is, Lou, is not watching what is going on in the world stage.
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And where I saw this starting is that we really only have four large packers in the United States
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in terms of meat production. And I come from a ranch near Fort Laramie is where I grew up. My family is
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still in ranching. And one of the challenges we have is there's essentially a monopoly in terms of
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the packing side of it, the meat side of it. We raise the cattle, they're the meat side of it.
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One of our packers is owned by China. That's something I've been talking about for quite
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some time is why would we put the CCP in charge of our food supply? But then you start looking at
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the other things they've done, which is you point out, they're buying real property and they're
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buying real property, not just farm ground, but they're buying real property around sensitive sites
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such as military installations. That's why I am supporting a couple of different bills to stop
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the Chinese Communist Party or anyone associated with them from purchasing additional land or resources
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in the in the United States. And why I emphasize that last part is they do a lot of this through
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essentially straw men. I mean, they don't necessarily walk into a community and write down
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on the bottom line that the Chinese Communist Party is purchasing, you know, three sections of land
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north of the Flaming Gorge Reservoir. They go through surrogates and third parties, and we need to start
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ferreting that out. And we need to stop it from happening. I can assure you, we would not be allowed to
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purchase property in China. And indeed, we are not allowed to. And the issue of using straw buyers
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for land, that in and of itself should be illegal when they are a straw for a foreign government.
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Does your legislation cover that issue? I believe that the second one that we did, which is that it
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would be anyone associated with. So hopefully that language is broad enough to cover that. But that was
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the intent. I don't think that these will be the last of the bills, though, that are put forward for
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this, because I think it's a fairly complicated issue that's going to take some time to unravel
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and kind of get under the hood and figure out how all of this is happening. Because again, I don't
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think we ought to just look at farm ground or real property. I think we need to be looking at the CCP
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actually owning one of our large four packing plants or packing companies in the United States,
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thereby substantially impacting or having the ability to shut down our food supply.
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And Congressman Mike Waltz brought up the issue of the CCP buying private schools, if one can imagine
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that in this country, and with it, some ROTC programs in certain cases. This is, we look like,
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in my opinion, Congresswoman, a very, very either dull people or just unintelligent people or an
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uncaring people. We are just getting outmaneuvered. I don't care whether it's in foreign policy on any
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level. And then this administration starts focusing on bright, shiny objects like balloons floating over
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from China, and the wheels really come off, if that isn't too much of a mixed metaphor. Your thoughts?
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There's no question that the current administration pretty much fails at everything
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that they've done. Now, I oftentimes refer to the federal government as always trying to fix its last
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solution. You see that in things like Obamacare. And I mean, how often is it, well, we got to go back
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in and fix what we just did. And some of what you're talking about is the same thing. What is unique about
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this administration is that so many of the people involved in it have failed upward. And as a result,
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they've continued to perpetuate the failures that they, that they're known for. But it also, it is,
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it seems to me that whenever they have two choices, they always pick the wrong one. And it is, it is
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mind boggling to me, as they say, that there, a stopped clock is right at least twice a day. And I don't
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know that I can say that about this administration. But it, we do need to be watching very closely
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what the CCP is doing, what other rogue countries are doing. You know, the Iran, why in the world
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are we not doing more? If we want to take on the battle of freedom and liberty, why in the world are
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we not looking more at trying to help the people who are fighting back against the brutal regime in
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Iran? That's one that I have not understood why, why we kind of just seem to forget about the folks
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that are really attempting to free the people of that country. But again, this administration seems
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like it goes from crisis to crisis to crisis, and typically fails when it addresses them.
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And it today, the, a lot of the left, in point of fact, the establishment media, corporate left wing
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media, referring to President Biden, as a brain dead, his brain mush, dementia, some of the words
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being used to describe him. We've been talking about the fact the man was impaired since he was running
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for office in 2020. And to see this sort of late realization is breathtaking, because it really means
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he's not going to be running for a second term, doesn't it?
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Well, I don't know that I would use the word realization, because I think that they knew it
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all the time. But just like John Fetterman in Pennsylvania, he served a purpose. So regardless
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of his mental capacity at the time that he was running, or now, it was simply to get someone
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elected who was other than Donald Trump, so that they could manipulate that person to do what they've
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done. And look at the damage they have caused in two years, over four and a half million illegal aliens
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crossing that border. I represent the least populated state in the nation, 560,000 people.
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Over 10 times the population of the state of Wyoming has crossed that border illegally in the last two
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years. We have a fentanyl crisis on our hands. 120,000 people died last year because of fentanyl.
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We are in a soft war with the CCP, and we do not know to what extent Joe Biden, Jim Biden,
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Hunter Biden, or anybody else are compromised because of their interaction with China and the
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Chinese Communist Party during the last 40 to 50 years of Joe Biden's involvement in politics.
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So there are lots of unanswered questions. But one of the things that the mainstream media did
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is they covered up what was obvious to us, so that the few people that they needed to get to vote for
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him would do so. And now we're paying the price and suffering the consequences.
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No doubt about it. And you're exactly right. It is a realization. It is now an escape
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for these folks from the man they created. And there is also, I'll just add this,
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there's no question but what the wrong man is in the Oval Office at the White House. And it is
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an effort to change history on the part of the Marxist Dems. And there is no reason to qualify
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or posture any of that. It's just a fact. And you're working on one of the most, if not the
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most important committee in Congress. And I think that is the Weaponization Committee to find out what
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has happened to this government that is now, it's attacking the American people. And what is yours,
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I may ask it this way, what is your assessment of how well you're doing in the early stages
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Sunshine is the best disinfectant. It's a matter of exposing the corruption and exposing the bad
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acts and the bad actors. So I have been appointed to the Select Committee on the Weaponization of the
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Federal Government. I've been a trial attorney for 34 years, Lou. And the last 25 years, I've been
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working pretty extensively against federal agencies and their effort to really persecute the free
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citizens out here in flyover country. An example being a landowner that moved an irrigation ditch in
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the EPA coming in and bringing a lawsuit against them claiming that that irrigation ditch was a
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navigable water of the United States. And at one point, holding penalties of almost $65 million
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over his head. We won. We had to go to trial to do it. But that's the kind of weaponization. That's
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one aspect of weaponization. Another weapon area of weaponization is the surveillance. We don't
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tolerate a surveillance state in this country. We shouldn't have a surveillance state. The Fourth
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Amendment specifically prohibits it. We've got to get to the bottom of what's going on with them
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listening in on our phone calls, accessing information through Facebook or Twitter or YouTube or the
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other social media companies. And then another part of it is the First Amendment. So the first
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hearing that we had on the Select Committee related to the FBI's efforts to shut down any discussion of
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things such as the Hunter Biden laptop and their effort to go after Senators Johnson and Grassley,
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what they did to former Representative Tulsi Gabbard, what they're continuing to do to try to prevent
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people from exercising their First Amendment rights. I'm a constitutional absolutist. The First Amendment
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says what it means and means what it says. The federal government can make no law abridging my
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freedom of speech. Yet that's what these agencies do. We need to expose the corruption in the DOJ,
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the FBI, the CIA, the NIH, the CDC, Anthony Fauci. We need to go agency by agency by agency by head of
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agency by head of agency by head of agency and expose what they're doing in violation of our
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constitutional rights. Congresswoman, I'd have slowed you down if I said amen every time I agreed
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with something you said just then. And thank goodness I didn't do that. I happen to think
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that you are bringing such energy and intellect to the Congress that we have another reason to be
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very, very optimistic about where this country is headed in even these dark times. We always give
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our guests the opportunity for including remarks, if you will, the last word on the podcast. I would
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just like to say to you, I am hoping that that committee can get done what it must and that there
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is no delusion on the part of anyone. I know Jim Jordan, I've known him for years. He is one of the
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great Americans. I just hope that you all can be successful because the country, I truly believe
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the country is riding on the outcome of what these House committees investigate and what they produce
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for the American people. I'd like to see what your thought is on that issue before I turn it over to
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you for your last thoughts. It is, I agree with you. I, at one point there was a discussion about
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Jim Jordan being the Speaker of the House. And I said, why would we waste his talents that way?
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And that's not a hit on the Speaker. You have to be very talented to be the Speaker. But the point
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that I made is that this, the, our success two years from now in getting this country back on track
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electorally in many ways runs through the Judiciary Committee and the Select Committee. We need to expose
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the fact that our government has been weaponized against us. And in order to do that, we have to have
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these hearings. But then the next step is to draft a legislation to make sure that it cannot happen
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again. So these are committees that are to protect the civil rights and civil liberties and the freedoms
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of every single citizen of this country. We should have the support of the American people. We do have
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the support of the American people. And we've got people running scared in Washington, DC, and I'm glad
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to see it. And I am, and I know the audiences as well. You're concluding thoughts, Congresswoman,
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as we wrap up here. And what a joy it is to, to hear you talk.
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Well, I'm sitting in Green River, Wyoming. And if you were to go to the Smithsonian,
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the National Gallery of Art, one of the first paintings you will see when you walk in the door
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is the painting by Thomas Moran of Green River, Wyoming. I encourage everyone to go and see that
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and see how beautiful my beautiful state is. I'm traveling up to Jackson Hole today for meetings,
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or to Pinedale for meetings today, and on to Jackson tomorrow. I'm continuing to travel around
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the state, doing town halls, meeting with the people here, learning what the issues are for them.
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I'm proud to represent Wyoming. I'm proud to represent my country, and I'm ready to take my
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Hallelujah. Congresswoman, it's a delight. And by the way, I know exactly the state of Wyoming. I hunted and
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fished through Pinedale and throughout the state. So God bless you. God bless Wyoming. And my gosh,
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Wyoming is well, well represented. Thanks so much, Congresswoman, for being with us.
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Folks, as you can probably tell, I think the Congresswoman from Wyoming is a great addition
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to the 118th Congress. Thanks, everybody, for being with us today. Our guest here tomorrow
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is Judicial Watch's Chris Farrell. Please join us. Until then, thank you. God bless you. And God bless America.