TRUMP CHALLENGERS ARE KAMIKAZE CANDIDATES
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This week on The Great America Show with Lou Dobbs, former Congressman Devin Nunes and CEO of Trump Media and Technology Company, and former head of the House Intelligence Committee, Devin Nunes, joins us to discuss the latest in the ongoing saga against President Trump.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and this is The Great America Show. Welcome to the
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show. It's great to have you with us. So let's take up some very big issues this week, and
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I assure you, we'll all be wishing almost anyone was in the White House other than the
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impaired and compromised puppet president that's there. The Biden regime busy over the
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past few days, Biden's secretary of state in Beijing. No public statements, of course,
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on Secretary Blinken's mission, but the bellicose and arrogant statements from Xi Jinping make it
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clear the Chinese Communist Party is readying for war. Unmistakable signals. On top of the threats
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against Taiwan, the Biden administration initially lied about the reports that China is negotiating
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with Cuba to build up a large spy base in Cuba to spy on the United States and continuing its serious
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provocations in the South China Sea. There's no shortage of critically important issues, critical
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issues facing the United States. And Biden's Department of Justice and FBI not content with
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indicting President Biden's presumptive opponent in the presidential election next year, intervening
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in and interfering with the election with their political persecution and, in my opinion, their
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preposterous charges against President Trump. And now the Department of Justice is asking a Florida
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court to stop President Trump from releasing any classified documents that were turned over to his legal
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team after his indictment. New reporting from The Hill says prosecutors telling a federal judge
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they must protect against a potential leak on the documents that pertain to people who have yet to be
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charged. More charges? Against whom? Perhaps Joe Biden. Maybe Hunter Biden? Not likely. The department is seeking
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a court order that Trump case documents, the documents, by the way, taken from the president, that is, his
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documents. Get ready for this. This is the quote.
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Shall not be disclosed to the public or the news media or disseminated on any news or social media
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platform without approval from the court. End quote. A gag order. So what is the corrupt Department
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of Justice so worried about? Are they upset the American people have awakened to their obvious scheme
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to frame President Trump once again? Absolutely, in my opinion, and I think you'll agree with me
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when I tell you which federal judge they went to for the gag order. Not the judge handling the documents
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case, Judge Eileen Cannon. No, they went to the very same federal judge who in August of last year
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approved the illegal raid by the FBI on Mar-a-Lago and the search and seizures of the president's
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documents. Federal Judge Bruce Reinhardt. The Biden regime believes they can get away with any outrage,
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don't they? And so far, they've been right. And while the DOJ and the FBI are doing their dirty
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work, the American people are awakening. A new Harvard poll finds that 55 percent of Americans
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say the Trump indictment is politically motivated, and most consider the indictment to be directly
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election interference and election intervention by the Justice Department.
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Joining us now is the CEO of Trump Media and Technology Company, former congressman,
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and longtime head of the House Intelligence Committee, Devin Nunes. Devin, great to have you
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with us again on The Great America Show. Joe Biden's DOJ and FBI are at it again, going after the
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rightful president. It looks like one travesty after another. Your thoughts?
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Thanks for having me on. But you have to start that we have slipped into a banana republic,
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third world country. I spent, you know, 20 years in the Congress and almost 20 years and
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traveled around the world on behalf, you know, working as the chairman of the House Intelligence
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Committee, ultimately. And, you know, so many places we would go to and meet with very corrupt officials.
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And I can remember being in Iraq trying to help to set up their judiciary, ironically, with Senator
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Jeff Sessions at the time, Lou. That's how far I date back. But, you know, I think back to all of
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those those all those issues we dealt with back in the day. And now it's like I think I don't think I
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ever I saw anything quite this bad, even in those countries, because, you know, in those days you
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had the U.S. held a big hammer over these countries. So these a lot of these kind of third world, second
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world countries, they would only go so far. And then, you know, the United States would come in,
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they put in sanctions, they would back off. I mean, that's really, I guess, just kind of speaking out
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loud here, Lou, we normally we should be sanctioned.
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By the rest of the world for our corrupt government. And that's what it is. And it hasn't
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stopped. They went totally nuts in 2016 by turning the Department of Justice and the FBI
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against Trump and Republicans when they went to spy on his campaign. And since that time, Lou,
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they got away with that. They've gotten away with everything. You can even date back how they
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covered up Lois Lerner. They covered up the Hillary Clinton Benghazi affair. They covered up the Hillary
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Clinton emails. They invented the Russia hoax. They went they transferred that, even though the House
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Republicans, when I was chairman, we debunked that immediately. We put out all the information so
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that everybody knew it. In early 2018, after Bob Mueller was already going with the Mueller hoax.
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And we were lambasted by the fake news media, which is essentially the propaganda media.
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Mueller couldn't come up with anything because, of course, it was totally it was it was a hoax.
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I always said that Mueller walked in the door and said, hey, guys, where's all the dirty Russians at?
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And weissman and all these scumbags all looked around. Hey, Bob, we don't have any. We're going
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to go for invent a crime and obstruction of justice. So fast forward, you had a couple more
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impeachments after that. And fast forward to this. This is no different than what they did back in
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2016. They're running the same play over again. Now, we can get into the actual indictment itself,
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Lou, if you'd like. But but that's kind of my my initial take.
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No, I think it's a it's a wonderful synopsis of what has transpired. And it serves as a perfect
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foundation for the reality that President Trump is not only the first president in American history
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to be politically persecuted and indicted, as you said, to special counsels, to impeachments.
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But he is it's unimaginable that he would be not only the first to be politically persecuted,
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in this manner and for that persecution to go on unimpeded for over seven years. We're in the
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eighth year of the political persecution by the Marxist dems of President Trump. And no Republican
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has stood and said this will not no one in leadership has stood and said this will not go any
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farther. This is it. There's been no barrier put up by the loyal opposition party, the Republicans,
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and I'm including, of course, the RINOs. They've done nothing, absolutely nothing until the 118th
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Well, I think you have a couple of few different things going on here at play. The.
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Wall Street, all your old buddies, Lou, I'm just being sarcastic, but Wall Street, the DC lobbyists,
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the swamp, the beltway, the I-95 corridor crew, the globalists, they don't want Trump. They've never
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wanted Trump. You know, initially, I think back in 16, they all thought Trump was, it was a joke,
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he would never win. And they they pulled off the original Russia hoax was simply just to to deter
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or deflect against Hillary Clinton's legitimate email scandal of classified emails being on her
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server. And so that's why they did that is kind of just an October surprise, kind of nice Trump.
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Finally, they tried to set up all his people and say, oh, not only is Trump crazy and all this stuff,
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but he's Putin's helping them. And that's how these emails got out. It's Russian disinformation.
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Sound familiar, Lou? They've never left. So they control a cabal within the FBI and DOJ. They've
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made a career and a corruption racket within the DOJ and the FBI using Russian disinformation.
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They control the media, as you know, they control the social media companies, as you know.
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And and that's what's really going on here, that Donald Trump cannot be controlled by any of these
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groups that I just went through and named. Right. The Democrats will do anything they can to hold on
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to power. And so that's what that's what's going on here. So you asked about the Republicans.
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And this is what I mean. You have all the consultants in Washington. So let's talk about kind of how this
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relates to the Republicans, the consultants in Washington and they're mostly in Washington or
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generally in the Beltway. The political campaign consultants, they've largely been cut out because
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Trump has dominated. He's been the leader of the Republican Party for six years. He's been the only
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guy who can actually help. If it wasn't for Donald Trump last election cycle, he never gets credit for
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this. But I think they would have raised about 22 cents. Donald Trump raised because of him.
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He raised nearly all of the money for the RNC, the Senate committee, the NRCC. I'm talking about
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not for 2020, Lou, talking about for 2022. So you had nearly, you know, I don't want to give a
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percentage, but most of the billionaires that I'm familiar with, the Wall Street guys, they are
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secretly funding these other candidates for president. So you have, you know, three of them
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are just plain kamikazes. They have no chance to win. They probably won't even make the debate stage
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if there's even a debate. They've had a lot of they've been promoting DeSantis, who I know I served
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with him in the House. He's a fine enough guy. But they've propped they've propped him up.
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Um, and he was kind of their chosen one, the billionaire club chosen one to go in and take
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out Trump. Why? I don't think it's because they like, they like DeSantis so much as it is,
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they needed the best person they could to try to take MAGA away from Trump. Now, that's been a
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disaster because I think Trump has successfully, um, I think, you know, I think he's done some real
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damage to DeSantis is, um, kind of, um, what would you call it? Kind of the veneer, uh, that the
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governor that the governor has. So now, you know, the question is they've, they've, they've, they've,
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they've kind of destroyed the billionaire plan and the, and the wall street and the, and the lobbyist
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plan to, to get Trump out of the Republican party. I think they don't know what to do now. So now
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they're getting all of it. Now you saw even some of the Republicans who are running that I'd like,
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I think they're running maybe for to be a cabinet position or maybe to be vice president. I think
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they know they can't win, but you've seen just in the last few days, how many of them have come out
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and said, Oh, uh, these classified documents seem to be a really bad. It's like, well, what the hell
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are you talking about? Shut up, get out of the race, get out. You just, just go away. Like you have
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no business. So somebody turned nearly every Republican. So now what you have the established
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Republicans are now joining with the corrupt Biden department of justice, which is the Gestapo arm
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of the democratic party to go forward with this strategy of multiple indictments, because now it's
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the last possible thing that they can do to try to stop, to stop Donald Trump from becoming the next
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president of the United States. We'll continue with Devin Nunes. Stay with us right back after
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these messages. Stay with us. We're back talking with Devin Nunes, the CEO of Trump Media and Technology
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Group. Devin, you were actually explaining what is happening in this, uh, this country, this society
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to this president, to the political party. Uh, and of course, as American citizens, watch this,
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all the recent polling says they're for Trump, no matter what, convict him if you can, but we'll
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still want him to be in the white house. Your thought about his popularity and what it's means for
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all of these candidates that you just discussed, uh, discussed, uh, what does it mean for them?
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They look like such puny Lilliputians that I can't imagine a worse set of candidates.
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Well, the, the, the funny thing is Lou, uh, last week, uh, during, uh, when, when Trump,
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when president Trump was arrested, you would have thought that every Republican candidate would have
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been, been out there screaming how bad this was. And the funniest thing about it is you're exactly
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right. The only one with any guts is the guy that I'd never even heard of. The one, the guy that I
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don't know is Vivek, uh, I'm going to mess up his name, but Vivek Rimnowski or something like that.
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He was the only one, at least he went down there to Miami, stood there, talked to the crowd. Um,
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you know, he's a business guy and said that this was wrong, that this wasn't the right thing to do.
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At least he has some, some guts to do the right thing. And, and look, I just think if you want to
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beat, if you want to beat president Trump, great, run on your record, run on the issues, attack his
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record. Uh, but, but don't team up with the left wing of this country and do what they're doing now.
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I think, I think the country's crossed a Rubicon and the establishment Republicans with all their
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billionaire financiers have crossed the Rubicon. And, and, and that's what you see when you get
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out to the hinterlands. It's been the same since president Trump, um, from 2020, after he lost the
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election, you go around the country, you see Trump 2024 flags almost immediately, whether you're in
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California to Florida, to any airport, you just see it, you see it all over. Um, and the Republicans,
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all the establishment, they sure love Trump in 2022. They all wanted him to go campaign, do rallies,
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send out fundraising emails for them. Um, so it just shows a lot of disloyalty in my opinion.
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A lot of it. Uh, Asa Hutchinson is, is one of my favorite of the Republican Lilliputians,
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uh, who thinks somehow that he should run for office. This, his entrance, uh, into, uh, the race
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shows you just how desperate the Republican party is for anyone, but Trump. Uh, and Vivek Ramaswamy,
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as you said, uh, I think he's what, 38, 39 years old. He is a remarkable young candidate. Uh, I think,
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of course, it's ridiculous that he's running, but I happen to also believe it's a great thing,
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uh, because I think, uh, he's a talent, uh, this isn't his time, but I'm sure glad that he's showing
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his wares and supporting Donald Trump wherever I've heard him speak. Uh, and I would love to see
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him in a Trump administration. Well, he's the only one making any sense. The rest of them who I thought
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we'll see kind of what they say, but you know, a few of them, I know, I know pretty well. Um, Senator
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Tim Scott, I know, well, I think he's a very, very fine gentleman. Um, you know, he should be
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very vocal about this. Um, and, and he's not now, I have seen a few of the senators, Marco Rubio,
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uh, Senator Ted Cruz, obviously Senator Grassley, a lot of them have stepped up to the plate. I think
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the house speaker McCarthy, the leadership, they've all been, they've all been strong. Um, they're going
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to need to do more. Um, no question, because we really have caught across the Rubicon here
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into third world banana Republic state. Yes, no question about it. And I, you know, I've,
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I've resisted that, uh, that label, if you will, the, the third world country, uh, president Trump
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using it for, for a while, uh, as you said it and others, I, I now I have no argument. Uh, we're
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the most developed, uh, nation on earth. We are, uh, without question, the supreme military
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power, irrespective of the, as you put it, the, uh, propaganda media in this country and
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their, and their coverage. We're still, uh, something to, we are actually, I think, very,
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uh, fearsome in the eyes of our enemies who understand who we are militarily, but the leadership
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is so weak. I don't, I can't imagine, uh, Xi Jinping or Vladimir Putin looking at Joe
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Biden for five seconds and not thinking this is, this is lunch. Uh, and the way that he
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is, you know, the way he's perceived around the world, it has gotta be, uh, it, I, I don't
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talk to world leaders, but they have to think we're a bunch of fools, this nation.
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Well, well, they do. And I, I actually still do talk to a lot of the people that I used to
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work with around the globe. As a matter of fact, I take phone calls from them, uh, all
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the time. I mean, nearly every day I have, I have someone from a foreign country reach
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out to me, uh, that I knew in my past life and, and, and though, what the hell is going
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on? I took several calls, uh, after the, uh, arrest last week and, and I took several
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calls from what it was, whatever it was a month or two before on the first ridiculous
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indictment in, in Manhattan. So we, we look foolish. Uh, Biden looks foolish. Um, they know
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that he's old. They know he's been there. I don't know about old is not necessarily the
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issue. They know that he has, he has health issues. And then look, on top of all of that,
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you, you know, look, you've covered it ad nauseum. I think everybody's heard it over and over
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again, but then you just have this, the indictment is bad enough and ridiculous, but then you have
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the two tiered system of justice, how everybody else that's, that's been something similar has
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been treated totally different, totally different. Whether it's Clinton to Hillary, Bill Clinton
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to Hillary Clinton, to Obama, to Pence, to, uh, to, to the obvious one, Joe Biden. I mean, I think
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when, when they screwed up their whole narrative and, and they botched it by getting the archives
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involved into, uh, this scheme of let's, let's do a criminal referral to DOJ. So we can open up
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an investigation, DOJ investigation into Trump. That's what happened. And then they screwed it up
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by, you know, they wanted to raid Mar-a-Lago. They wanted to pull Trump off the battlefield in 2022.
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That's why they raided Mar-a-Lago and they wanted to reduce our fundraising capability that kind of
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backfired. But then what really backfired is it was when all of a sudden after the election,
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it comes out that Biden has classified documents thrown out all over, all over America. I don't know,
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some five or six, eight locations. I don't even know how many locations, but, and very questionable
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locations, uh, at that. I mean, clearly not in, uh, in a confined, uh, skip, uh, that's secure.
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That's absolutely for sure. And I think at that point you had a lot of the pundits that even the
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propaganda pundits came out and said, well, nothing's going to happen to Trump now. And, but no,
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they double down, they pour kerosene on the fire. They don't give a damn. They, the institutions
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have rotted to the core. And if, if the Republican candidates for president don't understand that,
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and the rich, the posted wall street and lobbyists that are Republicans and all the
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political consultants, if they don't realize what we're up against here, they've been, uh, really,
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uh, in a, uh, living inside of a box the last seven years. And it's, it's just sad for me to see.
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We're talking with Devin Nunes. We're coming right back. Stay with us.
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We're back talking with Devin Nunes and Devin, as you were talking, I was thinking about what all of
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this has been about, which is deflecting, distracting all of the public attention, all of the media
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attention, which is not difficult to do your reaction to it all. Yeah. The timing I think is,
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is questionable. Well, not even questionable. We, we know what they did, Lou. They had to speed up
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this indictment. I mean, let's just call it what it is. It's, it's, it's obvious. They knew this
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information was coming out. They were always going to indict Trump. I'm sure they wanted to try to get
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something better than what they came up with. Um, you know, you still have the January 6th stuff
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sitting out there that they could scheme something up on, but this was the best possible card that they
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could pull out of their, out of, out of their, their hand of cards to play, which was to, um, go
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back to a hundred year old law called the, and, and claim, even though they're talking about classified
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documents, this is really just national defense information. They're using the espionage act,
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essentially calling Trump a foreign spy, although they don't say that he tried to do anything with
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those, with those, uh, documents. So they are, they ignored the presidential records act. They
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ignored the main statute that governs classified information. Um, and then they went to the
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espionage act, but they're not claiming that he committed any espionage. It's just totally
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ridiculous, but this is very dangerous because of, of, of, you never know what judge or jury that
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you can, that you can get into. So what the good news is here that at true social, and I'm not,
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this is not to plug our, our, our company. It really is for us, for president Trump and myself,
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this is a mission. The best thing we have going right now is that we have between true social and
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rumble. We have a closed loop. So people that are there, they can get the truth. They can hear
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exactly what president Trump is saying. They can hear exactly what many of the Republican
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conservative pundits are saying, like you Lou. Um, and it's just become a very, you know, powerful tool
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that is going to, is going to increase in size as we move into next year. And it's really giving the
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American people, their voice back. And that's the main thing here is it's a fight for free speech.
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Cause at the end of the day, as long as we have our right to free speech, our ability to communicate
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with one another, there still is hope in America as dark as, as the days are. And I admit, we don't
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want to be in this position, but I can tell you that we've got millions of people on true social
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that, that know the truth, no, no pun intended. Well, and, and truth is, as you put it, I mean,
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it's, it is a space where people can speak freely. Their rights of free speech are honored. They're
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not going to be de-platformed for crying out loud or expressing a view that is antithetical to the
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owners of the platform. Uh, no one has been stronger about free speech than you and president Trump.
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Oh, if it wasn't for true social, president Trump, uh, wouldn't have decided to build this company
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and ask me to leave Congress to come in and help them build it. I guarantee you there would be no
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Elon Musk wouldn't have bought Twitter. Um, you would have millions of Americans that have been,
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would have been banned, uh, from still banned from all the other platforms. And, and everyone would
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have been stuck in the, in what I used to call or still call the internet ghetto. We no longer are
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that. And despite all the odds, despite, you know, the Biden administration stopping our funding,
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they won't let us, we've been trying to get financing to, to merge and become a public company.
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So we have access to the public markets. What do they do? They stop that. They're just killing it.
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They won't let it move forward. Um, but still with all that, we stand here, we stand here fighting
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with, with millions of Americans that are on our platform, working closely with our strategic
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partner rumble, uh, where we have an entirely closed loop where people can say what they want
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on the, with their political beliefs. And by the way, Lou, we're also global now. And it'd be
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surprised how many people are joining from around the world that are, that have been banned from all
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the, just like when we started up, when we fired up true social, you had so many people, and I still
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see it nearly every day. Like, Oh my gosh, I'm so glad to be here because I was kicked off of
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Facebook years ago and Twitter and everything else. And they never let them back on. Well,
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the same is true for people in Australia and Italy and the UK. It's amazing. The people that,
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that are joining from all over the world, even, even Japan, I didn't know people have been kicked
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off the platforms in Japan. So we really are becoming global and we're a, we're a global beacon
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for free speech. And then president Trump, I've told him this many times, this is probably the most
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important company of all the companies you've ever built. This one is the one that, that has made the
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biggest difference to not only millions of Americans, but now people around the globe.
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I think you're right. So Devin, thank you for all you do and all you have done for this country.
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We appreciate your time and appreciate you being with us here. We always give our guests the last
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Well, Lou, I'll just close with what you used to close. I think that, uh, I think it used to,
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you used to say you're a great American. How's that? I used to say that back in the day on your,
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on your TV show. Yes. And I still say it right here on the great America show.
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We certainly appreciate you being with us. Thanks so much.
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Honored to be with you. It's honored to be with you, Lou. And thanks for having me again.
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Devin Nunes, a great American CEO of Trump media and technology company.
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That's all for us today. Thanks for being with us. Our guest here tomorrow will be former
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national security agency, senior intelligence analyst and whistleblower Russ Tice. And we take
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up this government of ours that has become a surveillance state, a police state. We hope
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you'll be with us for that until then. God bless you and make God bless America.