The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1014 - Dave Smith

00:00:07.000 President of the United States 2024. Dave Smith is with me.

00:00:11.000 Is that a real date?

00:00:12.000 Is that a date?

00:00:13.000 What's 2024?

00:00:14.000 That wouldn't be it, right?

00:00:16.000 16, 20, 24. That's it.

00:00:17.000 You got it.

00:00:18.000 And it's right when I'll be ready.

00:00:19.000 Dude, you can pull it off. 0.98

00:00:20.000 We need a real libertarian candidate that can fucking hang in there. 0.99

00:00:24.000 Someone who's gonna... 0.99

00:00:25.000 Break the mold, Dave Smith!

00:00:26.000 And a stand-up comedian as well.

00:00:28.000 I didn't want this task, but now that Joe Rogan's called on me...

00:00:32.000 You could do it.

00:00:33.000 You're relatively immune to all the trappings that hit all those people.

00:00:36.000 Of course there's dirt on you.

00:00:37.000 You're a part of Skankfest.

00:00:39.000 That's gonna be... 0.99

00:00:40.000 There's a lot of grabbing by the pussies in my past. 1.00

00:00:42.000 You're on a podcast called The Legion of Skanks. 0.99

00:00:46.000 Could that be introduced in a presidential debate, and then I have to go, mm-hmm, yes, that was my show.

00:00:51.000 Yes, but you would do it just like that, and everybody would start laughing.

00:00:53.000 We're realizing that this...

00:00:54.000 What if I just do it like a politician, and I'd be like, I repudiated that show years ago.

00:00:59.000 I no longer associate with Big Jay Oakerson.

00:01:02.000 Dude, speaking of which, they put Wiener in the pokey today.

00:01:05.000 21 months in jail for sexting, I believe it was a 15-year-old?

00:01:10.000 Well...

00:01:11.000 Look, that guy single-handedly probably changed America.

00:01:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:01:17.000 With his dick. 1.00

00:01:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:01:19.000 I don't think...

00:01:20.000 He really did. 0.99

00:01:21.000 He changed it through dick pics. 0.99

00:01:24.000 How else were you going to change America in 2017? 0.99

00:01:26.000 Look at the road edge!

00:01:27.000 Anthony Weiner gets hard time.

00:01:29.000 Is that the post?

00:01:30.000 That post is hilarious. 1.00

00:01:31.000 Whoever writes for the post, goddamn they have some fucking great headlines. 1.00

00:01:35.000 Anthony Weiner gets hard time! 0.99

00:01:37.000 You know what's horrible is before all this happened, he was fantastic.

00:01:43.000 That guy could have been the president.

00:01:44.000 He had that politician-y thing.

00:01:47.000 I mean, and he was like for a young politician on the fast track.

00:01:51.000 Yeah.

00:01:52.000 But he, I mean, I really do think Hillary Clinton, I mean, I just think it was such a close race that any little thing probably could have made the difference, so you could blame any number of factors.

00:02:01.000 But, I mean, the FBI coming out and reopening an investigation on you, like, less than two weeks before an election, that's pretty tough to get over politically.

00:02:10.000 Like, in any normal year, any candidate would be buried Well, after all that, lock her up.

00:02:15.000 Lock her up. 0.91

00:02:16.000 There's no way you can survive that.

00:02:18.000 The FBI is looking into it. 0.96

00:02:19.000 All the people that don't want to look into it any further than the surface, they immediately go, oh, we fucking got it. 0.87

00:02:25.000 It's over.

00:02:26.000 And I think there's also just, in terms of the politics and the way people work, there was something about Anthony Weiner where, so it made the American public think about him again.

00:02:36.000 Yeah.

00:02:36.000 And Trump was bringing the women who are accusing Bill Clinton of rape to the debates.

00:02:41.000 And I think the average person just kind of went like, wait a minute. 1.00

00:02:43.000 So your husband is a sexual predator and your best friend, her husband is also a sexual predator. 1.00

00:02:50.000 Like, who the fuck are these people? 1.00

00:02:54.000 Who the fuck are you? 1.00

00:02:56.000 Who is that the story for? 1.00

00:02:57.000 Yeah, well, that's one of the things that got me about Fox News, because Fox News has always been the voice of conservative America on television, right?

00:03:07.000 The staunch voice of conservative America. 1.00

00:03:12.000 But yet, all this sex stuff comes out, like the Bill O'Reilly tapes where he was calling up whoever the girl was and saying crazy shit with a loofah sponge. 0.99

00:03:22.000 Remember all that? 1.00

00:03:23.000 Yeah, I read about it.

00:03:24.000 It was crazy, but they had recordings of it.

00:03:26.000 And then it was, you know, all the women that accused him of sexual harassment and sexual harassment with other people. 0.99

00:03:33.000 And then other people are sending dick pics and like, whoa, you guys are freaks! 0.99

00:03:36.000 And you know what was really crazy about it was that, so Roger Ailes, who's the head of the network, He went down first for sexual harassment and then as soon as he was down like a whole bunch of other people started going down and then you really start wondering like oh shit like was it just like a new guy isn't letting us sexually harass anymore what's going on? 1.00

00:03:57.000 What's going on with this jerk off? 0.98

00:03:59.000 Well, I think it was just there was a culture that they could get away with before the internet where they were the bosses and the women were the underlings and they all felt, you know, I'm sure there's probably a lot of dynamics playing there, right? 0.99

00:04:11.000 There's a power situation, the man.

00:04:14.000 The guy who's the boss is in position.

00:04:16.000 And then there's also women that are attracted to power figures. 0.99

00:04:19.000 And then there's also this conservative, really repressed environment, which always leads to freak shit. 0.99

00:04:25.000 It always does. 1.00

00:04:27.000 When you have people buttoned down, they always lead to freak shit. 0.97

00:04:30.000 They have to find a way out. 0.98

00:04:32.000 That pressure's gotta go!

00:04:34.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:04:35.000 I mean, I always say to people, if you're in New York City, if you go to a bar in the financial district, like, right after work, it's a really crazy scene.

00:04:45.000 Something interesting, like the exact dynamic you're talking about, where it's these people who are all day working in this crazy, like, and then, like, the ties are loosened, and it's this, like, real...

00:04:53.000 The girls are drinking, and they take their shoes off at the bar, and you're like, whoa. 0.98

00:04:56.000 People are getting slapped on the ass, like, crazy shit is going on that you wouldn't think you're a banker. 1.00

00:05:00.000 You know, the guy who runs your retirement account. 1.00

00:05:03.000 You know why?

00:05:04.000 Because like we were talking about before the podcast started with these ancient reward systems, there's an ancient reward system for plundering.

00:05:11.000 I really believe that. 0.98

00:05:12.000 I think these guys feel like they're goddamn pirates, like they're plundering. 0.99

00:05:16.000 Yeah, that makes sense. 0.99

00:05:17.000 They're part of the financial market and then they're doing SHOTS! We're gonna fucking take them down! 0.99

00:05:23.000 We're gonna fucking take them down! 1.00

00:05:24.000 And they grab each other, we're gonna fucking take them down, we're gonna fucking take them down. 0.99

00:05:27.000 And if you think about, I mean, if you think about the acquisition of property, of goods, or anything like that throughout human history, I mean, the idea of, like, a just, a theory of just acquisition of property is, like, pretty relatively new. 0.99

00:05:39.000 And the way everything was acquired for all of human history was through conquest.

00:05:43.000 Just through, you know, you take it. 1.00

00:05:45.000 You take other people's shit. 0.99

00:05:46.000 And you gotta think that like a hostile takeover must feel incredibly like sacking a city. 1.00

00:05:51.000 Look at these guys.

00:05:52.000 Oh, that's from Wall Street.

00:05:54.000 What's his name?

00:05:55.000 It wasn't Wall Street. 0.99

00:05:56.000 What the fuck was this called? 0.99

00:05:57.000 Wolf of Wall Street. 0.99

00:05:58.000 Yeah, that was a great scene.

00:06:00.000 But people resonate.

00:06:01.000 That scene resonated with people. 0.99

00:06:03.000 I'M NOT FUCKING GOING! I'M NOT FUCKING GOING! And everybody's like, YES! It's like being above the system, kind of. 1.00

00:06:11.000 It is, but this is tapping in the same way football taps in.

00:06:15.000 It's tapping into this ancient reward system for plundering. 1.00

00:06:19.000 When men get together and they fuck up other men and take all their shit, and then we kick ass! 1.00

00:06:25.000 It's unbelievable how much, I thought about this a lot this last year through the election, but it's unbelievable how much that football team dynamic is just the whole thing. 1.00

00:06:34.000 It's like human beings love to get into a stadium, be like red team, blue team, identify with one team, and lose their freaking minds.

00:06:44.000 Like, literally lose their minds, and that's when they know it's meaningless.

00:06:47.000 When they know it's just about a ball crossing a line.

00:06:51.000 We'll still bring God into it.

00:06:52.000 We'll bring a team into it.

00:06:54.000 And again, you see with this Trump thing now that he just stepped on.

00:06:57.000 Me and Jamie were joking around before we started.

00:07:00.000 He threatened nuclear war and insulted Steph Curry in one thought.

00:07:06.000 And everyone in America is like, excuse me, what was that second part?

00:07:10.000 What?

00:07:11.000 And both sides.

00:07:13.000 This is just what gets them interested.

00:07:16.000 Well, we are a gossip country now, like 100% officially.

00:07:19.000 Like, what we like is a squabble between the leader of the free world, who is a reality star, and some of the best basketball players that have ever lived. 0.99

00:07:28.000 Like, OH SHIT! HITS ON! Football players. 0.99

00:07:32.000 I mean, LeBron James is making videos about the president being a douchebag.

00:07:36.000 He's making videos about all these different people Like expressing their right to free speech.

00:07:42.000 I saw one of the tweets that he tweeted out at the president where it was like just kind of like a broken English tweet.

00:07:48.000 Like he used the word ain't a lot in it.

00:07:50.000 And it's just him versus Trump.

00:07:52.000 I just had a moment where I was like, so this is where the national conversation is at now. 0.99

00:07:56.000 I just remember watching like William F. Buckley versus Gore Vidal debates and you're like, how fucking retarded has our country gotten? 1.00

00:08:04.000 Have you seen the documentary? 0.99

00:08:05.000 Yeah.

00:08:06.000 It's amazing.

00:08:07.000 Really interesting.

00:08:07.000 If you haven't seen it, folks, it's on Netflix.

00:08:09.000 What is it called?

00:08:11.000 Something...

00:08:11.000 I don't remember.

00:08:12.000 Bitter Rivals?

00:08:13.000 Did I make that up?

00:08:14.000 That something is called Bitter Rivals.

00:08:16.000 That might have been a UFC event.

00:08:18.000 Back in the early 2000s, they named them all Destruction.

00:08:23.000 Best of enemies?

00:08:24.000 Best of enemies, thank you. 1.00

00:08:26.000 When did they stop that stupid pattern? 1.00

00:08:28.000 I don't know, man. 1.00

00:08:29.000 UFC 54, obliteration.

00:08:31.000 Yeah, I was saying, they're going to run out of adjectives.

00:08:34.000 And they realized eventually, yeah, we are.

00:08:35.000 This is a real sport now. 1.00

00:08:36.000 This is so stupid. 1.00

00:08:38.000 Like, you don't ever see. 1.00

00:08:38.000 It's never like, Knicks vs. 1.00

00:08:40.000 Sixers.

00:08:41.000 Slamfest.

00:08:42.000 Total slamfest.

00:08:44.000 Yeah, like you never have a name.

00:08:46.000 It's just the World Series. 1.00

00:08:47.000 It's just the fucking Super Bowl. 0.99

00:08:49.000 There's never a, you know, domination event. 1.00

00:08:53.000 Yeah, they figured it out somewhere along the line.

00:08:55.000 But what we're talking about, oh yeah, how crazy it is to see that this is all going on while Puerto Rico has no power and only 5% of it has cell phone service. 0.99

00:09:05.000 Holy shit. 0.96

00:09:06.000 You want to talk about, there's a weird racist thing that we're like, if that was an island filled with white people, do you really truly think it was an island filled with white people that spoke perfect English, And it sounded just like us. 0.99

00:09:21.000 Do you think we could have so little coverage of Puerto Rico the way we do now?

00:09:27.000 Puerto Rico is technically a part of the United States.

00:09:30.000 It's not a state, but it's technically like we had on...

00:09:34.000 And Peter Schiff.

00:09:35.000 Yes, we just had him on.

00:09:36.000 Peter Schiff, who was fantastic when he was on, he just moved his whole team down there. 1.00

00:09:40.000 Boy, I bet he's regretting that shit now. 0.99

00:09:42.000 For a guy who's known for predicting the future... 1.00

00:09:44.000 He really missed that one.

00:09:47.000 That's like that moment and that animated gif where that black kid has got his glasses and he says they're funny and everyone around is going, ahhhh!

00:09:57.000 That's what you just did to Peter Schiff.

00:09:59.000 For a guy who was known to predict the future.

00:10:01.000 Well he did.

00:10:01.000 Why did you not see the destruction of your empire by God himself?

00:10:05.000 Turns out he can only predict subprime mortgage crisis and not acts of God. 1.00

00:10:09.000 Fuck dude and there's another one along the way. 1.00

00:10:11.000 Look at this one. 1.00

00:10:12.000 Oh yeah.

00:10:14.000 This is a repeat one over and over again.

00:10:16.000 This is great.

00:10:17.000 Ah! 0.99

00:10:17.000 That kid's face is so fucking classic. 0.99

00:10:20.000 Like, if he shut you down and gave you that face, he'd be like, FUCK! He got me. 1.00

00:10:24.000 There's no counter-argument after this has happened to you.

00:10:27.000 Like, you just accept that you lost. 0.99

00:10:28.000 Yeah, I mean, you might be able to, like, gain some ground afterwards with a couple of good insults, but, you know, the fucking contest is over. 0.97

00:10:36.000 If that's, like, happens halfway through a roast battle, just, like, call it for the judges. 0.96

00:10:40.000 You gotta know when to walk away, too, with a loss.

00:10:43.000 Because it's way worse if you stay there and keep swinging.

00:10:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:10:46.000 Just keep getting fucked up. 1.00

00:10:47.000 When that guy gives you that face, you gotta go, all right, you got a good point. 1.00

00:10:51.000 I'll come back and fight another day.

00:10:53.000 Look at us.

00:10:56.000 The kid who puts his hands on his ears and walks by with his mouth, I'm like, you can't believe it!

00:11:01.000 I mean, that might be like one of the perfect events in human history.

00:11:06.000 Forget about like, you know, planting the flag at Iwo Jima.

00:11:10.000 This dude, this dude making that face that will be used, who knows how many countless hundreds of thousands of times.

00:11:16.000 How many times has that thing been used?

00:11:18.000 Maybe millions, right?

00:11:20.000 If a YouTube video Could get millions of hits?

00:11:24.000 That's probably in the millions.

00:11:25.000 Millions of times used.

00:11:26.000 Oh, yeah.

00:11:26.000 For sure, right?

00:11:28.000 But yeah, it's a weird fucking time with all this because we're concentrating so much on weird stuff, like whether or not you should stand for the flag or kneel. 0.90

00:11:38.000 And first of all, I think what they're doing... 0.95

00:11:41.000 Correct me if I'm wrong.

00:11:42.000 They're protesting cops shooting innocent people.

00:11:46.000 That's what it's about.

00:11:47.000 So it's kind of ineffective on their part, the message, because you have to listen to them afterwards.

00:11:54.000 Because it seems like you don't like America, right?

00:11:56.000 That's what people have a problem with.

00:11:57.000 And Trump's playing on that, that they get down on one knee.

00:12:00.000 And, you know, I mean, it's kind of weird because it's kind of respectful.

00:12:04.000 Also, getting down on one knee for the flag is actually more respectful than putting your hand over your heart, which is really weird, right? 0.76

00:12:11.000 So they're supposed to be protesting cops who've shot innocent, unarmed people, which have been a fuckload of them.

00:12:20.000 But that's a weird way to do it, because you're doing it during the anthem.

00:12:24.000 The anthem isn't those cops.

00:12:25.000 The anthem is all of us.

00:12:27.000 So it's a shitty way to divide, because it's not really making a whole lot of sense.

00:12:31.000 Because the people who wrote the Star Spangled Banner, who are singing it right now, the people who have sung it all throughout the years and stood there, they aren't the ones that shot those unarmed people. 0.98

00:12:41.000 What you have is a cop who is probably a nervous wreck, most likely has been operating with PTSD for the past five, six fucking years. 0.99

00:12:49.000 You have friends that are cops? 0.99

00:12:51.000 A few, yeah. 1.00

00:12:52.000 They tell you crazy shit, right? 1.00

00:12:54.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:12:54.000 You know, I know a bunch of cops, especially from jujitsu. 1.00

00:12:57.000 I know a ton of cops, and from the UFC as well. 0.98

00:13:00.000 They tell you some fucking horror stories, things that they have to deal with. 0.99

00:13:04.000 Like, they stumble upon a crime scene, and the guy's got half his fucking head missing, people chopped up, you know, all sorts of dark, dark, dark shit. 1.00

00:13:12.000 And it's in their head all the time. 1.00

00:13:14.000 They've had buddies get shot in the face at...

00:13:17.000 You know, routine traffic stops. 1.00

00:13:19.000 Everybody's freaked out because over the course of 20 years, you're a police officer, you have seen a fucking amazing amount of shit. 1.00

00:13:25.000 They're probably unfit for the job, these guys that are shooting people. 0.99

00:13:29.000 And when you think about the vast number of people that are cops that aren't doing this, All the interactions.

00:13:35.000 We're concentrating on these terrible things that obviously there's no defense for, right?

00:13:39.000 There's no defending someone shooting a 13-year-old boy with a plastic gun.

00:13:43.000 There's no defending any of the crazy stuff that we saw.

00:13:46.000 The guy who shot the guy and then planted the taser.

00:13:48.000 There's no defending any of this, right?

00:13:50.000 But how many interactions are cops having with people where this doesn't happen? 0.98

00:13:55.000 A fuckload, man! 0.96

00:13:56.000 Like, let's keep some perspective. 0.99

00:13:58.000 And if you live in a country with 320 million people and you see one incident or a few incidents, there's no perspective there.

00:14:04.000 So you can find any example to paint whatever narrative you want to if you're just going off random examples.

00:14:10.000 Yeah, you can.

00:14:11.000 God, it's really frustrating for me because it's like the whole Trump And the whole moment we're in now, it's all about a culture war.

00:14:20.000 Like, that's what it's really about.

00:14:21.000 It's not about politics or policy or anything.

00:14:23.000 It's really a culture war.

00:14:25.000 And what you have here, and this is why everyone gets so into the kneeling for the national anthem thing, because it's symbolic of two cultures.

00:14:31.000 And to me, it's like, I see the worst in both, which is really frustrating.

00:14:35.000 So, it's like the left-wing thing is just this bash America with no perspective. 0.99

00:14:41.000 Like, no fucking perspective. 0.99

00:14:43.000 At all. 0.99

00:14:43.000 So it's like, yeah. 0.99

00:14:45.000 Right.

00:14:45.000 So they'll be protesting, say, like, cops being shot or something like that, which you can say, certainly there are legitimate cases of that.

00:14:50.000 And I'm a person who believes we have, like, a real, real police problem in America. 1.00

00:14:54.000 And we have, like, just insane amounts of arrests for nonviolent crimes and really fucked up shit. 1.00

00:15:00.000 I agree. 1.00

00:15:01.000 Mass incarceration, all these fucked up things. 0.95

00:15:04.000 That being said, there's also justifiable shootings that cops do. 0.97

00:15:07.000 There's that too.

00:15:08.000 So you have these people taking a knee, but it's kind of symbolic to people who aren't on the left of this culture of everything on the left is just anti-America, anti-capitalist, anti-white man, anti-man in general, and anti-Western civilization with no perspective. 0.56

00:15:24.000 No perspective of just like, America's a white supremacist country.

00:15:29.000 Well, what does that mean?

00:15:30.000 Compared to what?

00:15:31.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:15:32.000 And I'm not saying it doesn't exist.

00:15:34.000 But it's like when they say, like, we live in a rape culture.

00:15:36.000 It's like, what does that mean?

00:15:37.000 If I'm like, we live in a robbery culture.

00:15:39.000 There are robberies, but compare to what?

00:15:41.000 So if you're going to say we're a white supremacist culture, to me it's kind of like saying, it's like saying America's a poor country. 0.95

00:15:48.000 I mean, I suppose, compared to some richer country in the future that's figured some shit out that we haven't, compared to everything else that's ever existed, we're a rich country. 0.89

00:15:55.000 So, if you're talking white supremacists, it's like, well, no, by and large, we're probably the best, like, melting pot, most diverse, most inclusive, most... 0.89

00:16:04.000 Like, we feel more guilty for the sins of our past than pretty much any other country I could think of.

00:16:09.000 And I don't know any country that, like, you know, it's like America was founded by conquest of the Native Americans. 0.96

00:16:14.000 It's like, right, and so was every single other country.

00:16:16.000 And every country had slavery, and every country had all these things. 0.99

00:16:19.000 It's not, no one 150 years ago wasn't fucked up. 0.98

00:16:22.000 That doesn't exist. 0.98

00:16:22.000 There's no utopia. 0.98

00:16:23.000 Right.

00:16:23.000 And so if you have some perspective, the left-wing thing gets pretty frustrating after a while.

00:16:28.000 However, then, on the Trump side, so I've kind of been more sympathetic to the right than the left probably over the last year and a half, because I really do see, like, the issue of our time becoming this, like, are you for free speech or against free speech?

00:16:40.000 That to me is, like, really...

00:16:42.000 Right, because we don't really figure things out unless we get to debate them.

00:16:45.000 We can't have forbidden topics, and we can't have topics that are supercharged to the point where you can't have a position on them, and you can't explore them.

00:16:54.000 They're too powerful.

00:16:56.000 Yes, yes, that's exactly right.

00:16:58.000 I think there's many reasons, but that's one of the most important, like, why we need free speech.

00:17:02.000 Because unless you come from the position of, I have everything 100% correct, Like, then maybe you need to have a conversation and someone has a conversation back with you, because odds are you don't have everything 100% correct.

00:17:13.000 It's their correct versus your correct. 0.80

00:17:15.000 Like, their correct is gender equality, their correct is transgender rights, their correct is socialism, their correct is like, and if you, obviously I'm talking about people far left, not talking about you if you're listening.

00:17:28.000 I'm talking about the hypothetical extreme far-left person that is protesting Ben Shapiro on Berkeley campus, calling him a Nazi.

00:17:36.000 But this isn't just, you know, you're talking about a hypothetical person, but obviously this is happening in reality.

00:17:43.000 There's lots of them.

00:17:44.000 And there's enough to the point where it's like this real thing where, okay, so the great threat to free speech in our time isn't coming from the state.

00:17:51.000 Which, by the way, as a libertarian, that would be more comfortable to my narrative.

00:17:55.000 That's what I've been thinking for years is the great threat to free speech.

00:17:58.000 But no, it's coming from this left-wing culture that says, like, Ben Shapiro can't speak.

00:18:04.000 Milo Yiannopoulos can't speak.

00:18:06.000 Condoleezza Rice can't speak. 1.00

00:18:08.000 Look, if Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson need to be silenced, I mean, my only problem with those two is that they're too moderate.

00:18:17.000 These are not bigots.

00:18:19.000 These are intellectuals making an intellectual argument, and they can't even speak.

00:18:24.000 So it's very scary.

00:18:26.000 And then the other thing I would just say on this left-wing culture, and this is what Kaepernick kind of embodies to me, is just this frustrating ignorance.

00:18:36.000 So you'll be protesting police brutality and mass incarceration, and then you'll put a Castro image on your jacket?

00:18:47.000 Like, I mean, come on, man.

00:18:48.000 This just doesn't understand.

00:18:49.000 Come on, dude.

00:18:50.000 You can't stand up for something and swing and miss that big.

00:18:54.000 Like, you've got to research a little bit.

00:18:56.000 I mean, do five minutes.

00:18:57.000 All the information's on your phone.

00:18:59.000 Like, I just don't.

00:19:00.000 So there's that.

00:19:01.000 And I get being against that.

00:19:03.000 And I want to be, like, on the free speech side.

00:19:05.000 And I see a lot of these guys, like, who I'll bring up, like Stephen Crowder and Ben Shapiro, guys you've had on your show, who I really admire a lot because they're fighting against that.

00:19:11.000 And Jordan Peterson fighting against that authoritarian PC, anti-free speech stuff. 0.63

00:19:17.000 So I'm kind of more sympathetic to the right, but then there's this thing with the NFL, and it really just reminds me of all the cultural aspects of the right that I hate, which is when, first of all, I'm sorry, as someone who's standing for freedom of speech, I'm pretty fucking troubled by the President of the United States,

00:19:32.000 the man who's in control of the most powerful army in the military in the history of humanity, coming out and saying, I think if someone takes a knee, they should be fired. 0.88

00:19:41.000 Now, that may not be writing a law against speech, but that's pretty fucking chilling.

00:19:47.000 To have, like, the government telling you, hey, you know what would please me? 0.91

00:19:50.000 Is if you started firing people when they spoke out against me.

00:19:53.000 I don't like that. 0.99

00:19:54.000 And this fucking right-wing, like, praise the flag, and if you say anything against it, it's, like, religious. 1.00

00:20:01.000 It's blasphemy to criticize the troops or criticize the country. 1.00

00:20:05.000 Like, fuck that. 1.00

00:20:06.000 Yeah, it is a power issue. 1.00

00:20:08.000 What I was going to say earlier is that when you were talking about the state, when you were talking about the fear of the state and the censorship coming from the state, it's the same thing.

00:20:16.000 Because the state is just power.

00:20:18.000 And the far left is power too.

00:20:20.000 And it's power with shame and with blogs and with protests.

00:20:23.000 And it is the power that they're trying to exercise to get you to behave the way they want you to.

00:20:28.000 And the right does the same thing.

00:20:30.000 I think what we should have, if we're going to really keep doing this whole we're a country thing, We should have like an armistice when then this is I think with with reasonable people have an issue with this idea of desecrating the flag because the flag is just a flag and it's not important but what is important is that we treat each other like we're a team and we look out for each other and we're all together and we're all united together we shouldn't be if we have an issue our issue should be with communist dictatorships across the 0.59

00:21:00.000 world that have nuclear weapons that are holding their people captive If it was ever a time to look at a country and go, wow, this is a country that is in an unjust position, and it's a really terrifying dilemma that you have this murderous dictator who's in control of nuclear weapons,

00:21:17.000 and he has an entire country of people enslaved.

00:21:21.000 Which is essentially what's going on in North Korea, right?

00:21:23.000 It's basically like a giant hostage situation.

00:21:25.000 That's a real giant issue to us. 1.00

00:21:28.000 It's not whether or not transgender people can use the fucking men's room or the women's room. 1.00

00:21:33.000 That's not our issue. 1.00

00:21:34.000 That's a cultural conversation.

00:21:36.000 And that cultural conversation should be calm and we should be friendly to each other. 0.99

00:21:40.000 Because we're supposed to be on the fucking same team. 0.98

00:21:42.000 No, I agree with you. 0.99

00:21:43.000 But that stuff with the transgender bathrooms, I gotta say, man, and it's really weird for me. 1.00

00:21:48.000 Sometimes I just can't...

00:21:48.000 I can't even believe I hold some of the positions I do because I grew up like a kind of left-wing kid and I was raised by a single mom in New York.

00:21:56.000 That's kind of where I belong culturally.

00:21:58.000 But I really can't...

00:21:59.000 You know, it's almost like...

00:22:01.000 The kooky conservatives, the religious kooky conservatives, who I just dismissed for years as like, this is just insane, had more of like, they had a grain of truth that I didn't realize.

00:22:12.000 Like, they'd be like, you know, you can't legalize gay marriage or they'll start coming after the kids. 1.00

00:22:16.000 And you're like, well, that's just insane.

00:22:18.000 And only gay marriage gets legalized.

00:22:20.000 And like the next year, they're like, kids should be able to take hormones to suppress that.

00:22:23.000 And you're like, whoa.

00:22:25.000 This is kind of weird.

00:22:26.000 It's very weird to me that the left didn't take, like, a minute to celebrate this victory on gay marriage that they had been fighting for, like, my entire life.

00:22:36.000 They got a huge victory.

00:22:38.000 The Supreme Court came in and forced it on the remaining 20 states or so who weren't ready, who weren't going to vote for it.

00:22:43.000 They forced it on them, and there wasn't a big backlash, like that one chick went to jail for, like, three days. 0.99

00:22:47.000 It's not like... 0.58

00:22:48.000 The one in Oklahoma wouldn't marry gay folks? 1.00

00:22:50.000 Yeah, Wendy Davis, I think. 0.98

00:22:52.000 Something like that.

00:22:53.000 And then it's not like, oh, there was this wave of Republicans who rose up like, we're going to repeal, or we're going to write a law to reverse that Supreme Court decision.

00:23:01.000 It's like, no, actually, they elected the first pro-gay marriage president.

00:23:04.000 It's like, you won on this issue, and immediately, as soon as they won, they're like, now transgender bathrooms, now this. 0.72

00:23:10.000 Well, I don't think they're related, and this is why.

00:23:14.000 I think, first of all, the gay marriage thing is consenting adults.

00:23:18.000 They should be able to do whatever they want to do.

00:23:19.000 The difference between gay people and transgender people is pretty radical. 0.84

00:23:24.000 No, I agree!

00:23:25.000 It's almost the same difference as between straight people and gay people. 0.81

00:23:29.000 Yes, but they're in the same four letters according to the law. 0.97

00:23:32.000 Yeah, but that whole LBGTQA, A +, whatever the fuck it is now, there's a bunch of new ones that they've added on, asexual. 0.99

00:23:39.000 No, I agree with you. 0.98

00:23:40.000 I think it's actually insulting that they lump them together as if it's like the same thing.

00:23:43.000 I mean, I think it's weird that when Trump tweeted the thing about trans people not being able to serve in the military, I saw a bunch of people being like, Trump, you know, has come out against LGBT rights.

00:23:53.000 And you're like, what the hell does this have to do with LG or B? Yeah.

00:23:56.000 Why is that?

00:23:57.000 It's crazy.

00:23:57.000 They're just a gang, lump it all together, a big progressive gang of acronyms.

00:24:01.000 But what I was going to say about all this stuff being lumped in together is that the left has been the side that has looked towards the hard science when it comes to global warming, right?

00:24:11.000 The hard science when it comes to climate data.

00:24:13.000 Those are the ones that are always pushing, whether they're right or wrong or getting the right data.

00:24:17.000 They're the ones that are really harping on the science.

00:24:20.000 And if you looked in terms of the amount of people that are working in universities, there are far more left than there are right.

00:24:28.000 Far more left professors than there are right.

00:24:30.000 So you would think, okay, you have this, like, base of academia and knowledge on the left. 0.95

00:24:35.000 But yet the left is the side that's willing to entertain the idea that a young kid should take hormones to alter their sex when you know for a fucking fact that when you're a young person you're extremely confused, constantly, 0.94

00:24:50.000 back and forth, left and right. 0.98

00:24:52.000 There are hormonal changes.

00:24:53.000 The cerebral cortex, the frontal cortex doesn't even really fully develop.

00:24:58.000 They don't say you're a real fully developed person until you're like 25 if you're a man. 0.97

00:25:02.000 Which explains a lot of the shit that I did, right? 0.99

00:25:06.000 It's a lot of people listening that are 20 and retarded. 1.00

00:25:09.000 They're like, what the fuck am I doing with my life? 1.00

00:25:10.000 Exactly, dude. 0.99

00:25:11.000 You're barely an adult.

00:25:12.000 Oh, you think about things you do at like 22 and you're like, I can't believe I'm the same human.

00:25:16.000 I can't believe I'm the same human.

00:25:18.000 But so this same party, this same progressive mindset that is so incredibly open-minded, but yet also so deeply embedded in academia, like far more than the right is.

00:25:29.000 This is the side that is willing to put aside all that they know about biology and psychology and physiology and children.

00:25:38.000 Put aside that.

00:25:40.000 A lot of people are.

00:25:40.000 Not all of them.

00:25:41.000 I don't want to lump anybody to the other.

00:25:42.000 Put aside that for progressive brownie points.

00:25:46.000 For saying that you are so incredibly open, like this child obviously knows that he is a she or she is a he, and we need to start addressing them as that, and this is just a fact.

00:25:55.000 Well, it's not just a fact.

00:25:57.000 It's a conversation that we should have, and I think it varies in individuals.

00:26:01.000 And I think there are some people that I have personally talked to that are transgender people that for sure are happier being a woman or a man, and they were born in what they feel is the wrong body. 1.00

00:26:11.000 Absolutely, 100% salute their right to go out and do that.

00:26:14.000 But we should have a real conversation as to how many people is that really happening to?

00:26:20.000 How many of these people have a psychological issue?

00:26:24.000 How many people, is there a physical trait that we're missing?

00:26:27.000 Is there some switch that gets flipped when they're young?

00:26:31.000 I mean, it's a fascinating aspect of human beings that you are one sex and wish you were another. 0.99

00:26:36.000 Right, and it seems strange to me that on the left the rules always seem to be, There's this topic, like, it's like the left's thing forever.

00:26:43.000 It's always like, we need to have a national conversation about race.

00:26:47.000 Right.

00:26:47.000 But if you say the wrong thing, I want you ruined.

00:26:50.000 Yeah. 0.76

00:26:50.000 You know, and it's the same thing with, like, the transgender thing. 0.76

00:26:52.000 It's like, they want to, like, it's like, we want to have a conversation about this.

00:26:55.000 They put this forward as, like, this is an issue we need to talk about.

00:26:57.000 And then also, by the way, you're not allowed to say anything.

00:27:00.000 So if you bring up the 40% suicide rate and say, maybe this isn't due to societal oppression, because there's no real link between societal oppression and high suicide rates...

00:27:07.000 Now you need to be fired or something.

00:27:09.000 But they say 40% of transgender people commit suicide. 0.79

00:27:13.000 And the people that want to support the idea that it's not any sort of a mental illness in any people.

00:27:18.000 And sure, it's not in some.

00:27:19.000 We're not generalizing.

00:27:21.000 But it must be in some, right?

00:27:22.000 The people that want to deny that say the reason why they are suicidal is because they don't get a chance to express their genuine, authentic self.

00:27:32.000 Which is a very good point.

00:27:33.000 So it's not that either or is right.

00:27:35.000 No, I'm open to the argument.

00:27:36.000 I am too.

00:27:37.000 I'm open to the argument that the 40% is possibly, it's maybe a combination of those two factors.

00:27:43.000 Maybe there's some people that are mentally ill that are suicidal in the first place and they hope that maybe becoming a woman would make them feel better and it didn't work out.

00:27:50.000 There's a whole website where people, I think it's called Transgender Regret or something like that, and it's all people that switched over and were like really upset that they did it and then realized it was like some strange phase they were going through or whatever. 0.98

00:28:02.000 And then, you know, there's people that I'm sure are suicidal because they want to be one way, and people just constantly shit on them, and bully them, and heckle them, and they... 0.56

00:28:13.000 That's what's causing them to be so deeply... 0.95

00:28:16.000 It's not like one or the other.

00:28:18.000 No, and I think in every individual case there's probably like a complex, you know, a complex set of, you know, different causing factors, you know, so yeah, I agree with that.

00:28:27.000 I just think it's like, no matter how...

00:28:29.000 Look, obviously I'm for...

00:28:31.000 Everyone owns their own body and should be able to do whatever they want to.

00:28:34.000 If you can find a doctor who's willing to perform a surgery on you, have whatever surgery you want to have.

00:28:39.000 And I think transgender people should have the freedom to do that.

00:28:42.000 Truthfully speaking, though, I don't really see anyone disagreeing with that.

00:28:48.000 Most people seem to agree.

00:28:50.000 But there are people that think it's a sickness and they absolutely shouldn't be allowed to.

00:28:54.000 But what is a sickness?

00:28:55.000 Maybe.

00:28:55.000 But it seems like that's pretty...

00:28:56.000 Like, even the people who are getting a lot of heat for, like, their stance on transgender issues.

00:29:01.000 Like, I've never heard Gavin McGinnis say it should be illegal.

00:29:03.000 I've never heard, like, Ben Shapiro say it should be illegal.

00:29:05.000 What they will say is that I'm not going to pretend that you're a woman.

00:29:10.000 I'm going to acknowledge that you have a Y chromosome.

00:29:12.000 And, like, that to me is like, okay, that has nothing to do with your freedom to have a surgery.

00:29:16.000 This guy has a freedom of thought to describe what's going on.

00:29:21.000 And it is kind of crazy.

00:29:22.000 Like, you said with the global warming thing, like...

00:29:24.000 It's like, yeah, the left prides themselves on being the science party.

00:29:29.000 Like, we believe in science.

00:29:30.000 Although the problem is that, and like, I try very hard to like, I wrap my head around all of these different issues, and I've read a decent amount on climate change, and it's pretty tough.

00:29:40.000 Pretty tough stuff.

00:29:41.000 It's not easy.

00:29:42.000 It's not like some of these other issues that are much easier to understand.

00:29:45.000 And I will say that about 90% of the people on the left who are like, have the science, they haven't looked into it.

00:29:50.000 They've just been told this is the science.

00:29:52.000 And they're like, oh great, now I get to bash people by having the science.

00:29:55.000 Because if you're gonna say you're the side that believes in science, I'm sorry.

00:29:59.000 To deny that there are biological facts Biological effects on gender is as anti-science as you can be.

00:30:09.000 Such a small fringe group that do make that distinction.

00:30:11.000 They think that there's no biological difference in the sexes. 0.91

00:30:14.000 And those people are really just crazy people that have pushed it so far. 0.79

00:30:17.000 They're so far left that they're in some crazy alternative reality. 0.93

00:30:20.000 There are a lot of those.

00:30:21.000 I look at it like the same way You know where, like, Scientologists have, like, their levels?

00:30:27.000 I look at, like, left-wing ideology.

00:30:30.000 What is it?

00:30:30.000 It's like OTC or something like that?

00:30:31.000 Yeah, it's like the social justice warrior who's, like, out in the front lines, like, protesting Christina Hoff Summers.

00:30:37.000 Right.

00:30:37.000 She's, like, top-level left-wing mindset.

00:30:41.000 But there's a lot...

00:30:42.000 But, no, the idea that gender is a social construct...

00:30:45.000 Is pretty well accepted, I think, on the left.

00:30:49.000 And to me, that is insane.

00:30:50.000 I don't think that's true.

00:30:50.000 I think it's only accepted in a very fringe group, especially academics.

00:30:55.000 Maybe you're right.

00:30:56.000 And people in school that protest about it and people that are super active social justice warriors.

00:31:01.000 I think if you polled people whether or not they think there's a biological difference and you gave them three choices, yes, no, and duh, that most people would say, duh.

00:31:09.000 Okay.

00:31:10.000 Duh.

00:31:11.000 Here's the only thing I'll disagree.

00:31:12.000 I think you're 100% right if they were taking that test anonymously.

00:31:17.000 Anonymously.

00:31:17.000 I think you're right.

00:31:18.000 I think if they had to put their names behind it, I think you'd get a much different answer.

00:31:20.000 I think you're really right.

00:31:21.000 I talk to college professors.

00:31:22.000 My sister's a college professor.

00:31:23.000 I talk to her friends.

00:31:24.000 I talk to other people.

00:31:25.000 A lot of them will come up to me, and it's almost like this thing at a dinner table.

00:31:29.000 It's like, get close and be like, hey.

00:31:31.000 Just so you know, I really agree with you on like a lot of stuff and I'm not you know like it'll be like the people who they're for the one Jordan Peterson Who by the way a guy like Jordan Peterson really does beg the question?

00:31:41.000 Why aren't there more Jordan Peterson's like why is it just you and five other people?

00:31:45.000 Why are there not more professors and the reason is because they're all intimidated look at all the shit He's had to deal with yeah, they're all intimidated by that Brett Weinstein who's a super progressive guy I mean he's way left And he got shamed, and he got, like, literally threatened. 0.53

00:32:01.000 I mean, and now he just won a lawsuit, though. 0.93

00:32:03.000 He just got paid.

00:32:04.000 He won $500,000. 0.99

00:32:06.000 We had him on, like, right after Evergreen College had a shutdown, and kids were patrolling the fucking parking lot with baseball bats looking for him. 0.98

00:32:14.000 Like, it was, like, really crazy. 0.99

00:32:15.000 Crazy stuff.

00:32:16.000 Yeah, man, it's insane.

00:32:17.000 Really crazy stuff that the left, I mean, imagine if that was coming from the right. 0.98

00:32:20.000 You would start calling them Nazis, you'd start calling them white supremacists, you'd start calling them thugs. 0.80

00:32:25.000 But on the left, they conveniently ignore the same types of behavior patterns. 0.95

00:32:30.000 Oh my god, it's so unbelievable.

00:32:31.000 Like, the double standard of, like, Dude, well, look, so you have, like, the thing that happened in Charlottesville, right, where you have, like, I mean, a few hundred people marched, and I guess there were dozens of them, at least, who were, like, wearing Nazi gear,

00:32:47.000 which is, you know, don't get me wrong, I mean, it's pretty... 0.99

00:32:51.000 Like, eye-opening and like, holy shit! 0.98

00:32:54.000 It's like disturbing and kind of very interesting to me that anyone in 2017 in America is putting a swastika on. 1.00

00:33:02.000 Not only that, these dumb fucks got together in public, lit their face with torches so everybody could take video and photos of them, and marched through the street together, yelling like blood and soil and all sorts of weird fucking shit. 1.00

00:33:15.000 What were the quotes? 1.00

00:33:17.000 Do you remember what the quotes were?

00:33:18.000 The Jews will not replace us was one. 1.00

00:33:19.000 Yeah, what the fuck is that? 1.00

00:33:21.000 As a Jewish person, I've never felt more empowered in my life than the Jews will not replace us. 1.00

00:33:26.000 What an unbelievable...

00:33:27.000 I've never even entertained the idea of replacing anybody. 1.00

00:33:32.000 And then when they were like, the Jews will not replace us, I was like, I think we can replace these motherfuckers. 1.00

00:33:37.000 They're scared. 1.00

00:33:38.000 They're worried about it.

00:33:39.000 Let's make a move, Jews. 1.00

00:33:41.000 Let's go replace these Charlottesville. 1.00

00:33:42.000 How many people were there that protested?

00:33:44.000 A few hundred.

00:33:45.000 I think between three and four hundred.

00:33:46.000 That's it?

00:33:46.000 That's it.

00:33:47.000 It looked like a good-sized crowd.

00:33:48.000 Like, I'd be psyched if they came to see me.

00:33:50.000 Right.

00:33:52.000 If I walked into that on the road, I'd be like, all right, not bad.

00:33:55.000 That was the line to get into the theater?

00:33:56.000 You're like, oh, we're doing good tonight.

00:33:58.000 And they'd be like, it's pretty white supremacy in here.

00:34:00.000 It's not candidly in here.

00:34:01.000 They're really, uh...

00:34:03.000 I mean, at first I thought it was well lit.

00:34:04.000 Can they bring their tiki torches inside or no?

00:34:07.000 If they stick them in the dirt outside, is somebody going to watch those fires?

00:34:11.000 And how do you know which torch is yours?

00:34:14.000 We got a guy.

00:34:15.000 We have numbers.

00:34:15.000 We got it all figured out.

00:34:16.000 You get a cheap-ass Walmart torch when you had a nice Home Depot torch. 1.00

00:34:20.000 You put a good, solidly constructed American Home Depot choice, and some dude stole your shit and left you with some made-in-Chinese bullshit. 1.00

00:34:28.000 WTO bullshit. 1.00

00:34:29.000 And it's probably just good enough that you get halfway through the march before you're like, wait a minute. 1.00

00:34:33.000 You look up and you see Made in China. 1.00

00:34:36.000 Fuck! 1.00

00:34:36.000 I knew this felt light. 1.00

00:34:37.000 You used to have a little American flag underneath you, a little metal bonnet.

00:34:40.000 Let's get real.

00:34:41.000 They were all made in China. 0.98

00:34:42.000 Yeah, probably.

00:34:43.000 There's not a big market for tiki torches.

00:34:45.000 But anyway, I was saying, but these guys, like, I mean, nobody, even like people who are real far out on the right wing, who are like pretty, you know, considered, you know, like whoever, like Ben Shapiro, who's being protested by these guys, he doesn't associate with any of those guys.

00:34:58.000 He's disgusted by them.

00:34:59.000 Gavin McGinnis won't associate with any of these guys.

00:35:01.000 He's disgusted by them.

00:35:02.000 These guys can't even speak at their own rallies.

00:35:05.000 They don't come to, the right wing does a, I think, a fairly decent job at just being like, no, we're not, we're not even associated.

00:35:12.000 Don't you think that Trump It did not denounce them correctly?

00:35:16.000 Well, no, I don't think so.

00:35:18.000 I mean, look, from what I saw, I actually thought it was a weird reaction to what Trump said.

00:35:21.000 So what I'm saying is, I see this going on here with this one thing that happened in Charlottesville, right?

00:35:27.000 And I haven't seen too much Nazi stuff outside of that.

00:35:30.000 Right.

00:35:32.000 On the internet, but I mean like in terms of margins.

00:35:33.000 But what about his response?

00:35:35.000 Let me just make this point, because I want to address what you're saying.

00:35:38.000 But so then, this happened, this one limited, this one thing with a few hundred people in Charlottesville happened. 0.92

00:35:42.000 The media goes fucking nuts, like this is the biggest thing that's ever happened.

00:35:46.000 On the other side, on the left-wing side, everywhere that someone tries to have a free speech rally, Everywhere, anyone who's one step to the right of Bernie Sanders wants to speak. 0.98

00:35:57.000 Like, Condoleezza Rice can't speak. 0.87

00:35:58.000 Like, anyone who's one step to the right of Bernie Sanders gets shut down, and there is this mob, okay, called Antifa, who actively go after assaulting people.

00:36:08.000 And this isn't just Nazis.

00:36:09.000 They go after Trump supporters or anyone who disagrees with them.

00:36:12.000 They wear hammer and sickle flags, which is, you know, representing an ideology that killed more people than the Nazis. 0.73

00:36:20.000 So, you know, let's put them both on the level of, like, genocidal, horrible groups.

00:36:25.000 However, this one group on the left is going everywhere across the country and are given comfort and aid by college professors.

00:36:33.000 And mayors.

00:36:35.000 Yes, yes.

00:36:36.000 And when it's brought up, and it's actually backed up by things like 40% of millennials in a Chicago University study say they don't believe in free speech for hate speech, which basically means you don't believe in free speech.

00:36:49.000 You've got about 40% of millennials who don't believe in free speech.

00:36:52.000 Yeah, because then you have to define hate speech, and that's where things get slippery.

00:36:54.000 And what you might call hate speech is so different from me.

00:36:57.000 Right.

00:36:57.000 What you might call hate speech is me saying that I don't want to call a transgender woman a her.

00:37:04.000 Right.

00:37:04.000 And that has been labeled hate speech.

00:37:07.000 That's a microaggression. 0.91

00:37:08.000 So it's like, once you define that, it's like, oh, you can punch a Nazi, but by the way, everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi.

00:37:13.000 So I'm against hate speech, and by the way, anything I don't like, I'm offended by is hate speech.

00:37:17.000 The whole idea of freedom of speech is to protect unpopular speech.

00:37:22.000 It's not there so we can talk about things that don't offend you.

00:37:24.000 Obviously, no one has a problem with that.

00:37:26.000 But so you have this on the left with this mass problem, and then the media demands that everyone on the right denounce this non-existent thing.

00:37:35.000 But it's not a non-existent thing.

00:37:37.000 What was disturbing was seeing hundreds of people walking down the street with torches, yelling out racist things.

00:37:42.000 Absolutely. 0.99

00:37:43.000 And the only thing that was differentiating, their idea was so much more stupid than the free speech idea. 0.98

00:37:50.000 Because their idea was just to differentiate people based on how much melanin is in their skin and what part of the planet their ancestors came from. 1.00

00:37:57.000 That's one of the dumbest fucking ideas in human history. 1.00

00:38:00.000 So what you have is this river of dum-dums walking down the street. 1.00

00:38:05.000 And the president doesn't say that.

00:38:07.000 The president doesn't say, he's the guy that's running the country, right? 1.00

00:38:10.000 He doesn't say, hey, this is the lowest form of stupidity that we know of with humans. 1.00

00:38:16.000 The lowest form of stupidity is to accept everyone that looks like you. 1.00

00:38:21.000 This is so fucking stupid. 1.00

00:38:23.000 You're pretending that someone has any power whatsoever over where they were born, their national origin, who their parents were. 1.00

00:38:29.000 You don't. 0.99

00:38:30.000 You don't have any fucking power over that. 0.99

00:38:31.000 So you're putting all the power in things you have zero control with. 1.00

00:38:34.000 That means you're a fucking loser, alright? 1.00

00:38:37.000 And that means the only thing that you got to bank on is this white skin that you didn't even work for. 1.00

00:38:42.000 Yeah, this is the group that you're lumping everybody together with and you don't know.

00:38:45.000 Do you not know any great black people?

00:38:47.000 Do you not know any great Hispanic or Latino people?

00:38:50.000 You don't know any? 1.00

00:38:50.000 Well, then you need to get the fuck out of your neighborhood. 1.00

00:38:52.000 I agree with you. 1.00

00:38:53.000 You're just talking out of ignorance. 0.59

00:38:54.000 But I think that applies to that thing you're saying about kind of being like a loser and then grasping to some collective because you don't have anything in your own, you know, story to really cling to or your own life. 0.97

00:39:04.000 I agree with you, but that's I mean I think that applies to people who get into this identity bullshit on all sides. 0.94

00:39:09.000 I agree with you as well. 0.52

00:39:10.000 I don't disagree.

00:39:11.000 It's like, yeah, I mean, for very— We're talking about the president, though.

00:39:14.000 Sure, sure.

00:39:14.000 But I just think, to me, what he said, from what I see, was, like, he did call out those guys.

00:39:19.000 He did say it was, like, disgusting, but what people were upset about is that he said there were bad people on both sides.

00:39:25.000 Well, did you ever see, like, Stormfront's reaction to Trump's speech?

00:39:29.000 That he never criticized white supremacy, and they were saying it was very good, very positive overall, and he said that there was problems on both sides and bad people on both sides.

00:39:39.000 Well, I did see videos.

00:39:41.000 Which implied that Antifa was bad also, and they were saying, God bless Donald Trump.

00:39:46.000 Okay, so this is what I saw from videos that I saw, because I have learned, and we could go through this forever, that I don't trust the mainstream media at all. 1.00

00:39:52.000 They're completely full of shit. 0.99

00:39:54.000 Sure, so whoever wrote that could have been a reporter. 1.00

00:39:57.000 Sure, no, I'm not saying that person is necessarily corrupt.

00:40:00.000 It could have been an embedded reporter that just wanted to write a story.

00:40:02.000 Maybe.

00:40:03.000 Maybe. 0.98

00:40:03.000 But from the videos that I saw, like videos of what was going on there, it's like, yeah, I saw all the stuff you're talking about, like the tiki torches, the Jews will not replace us, swastikas, all that really, you know, garbage. 0.98

00:40:14.000 Right. 0.91

00:40:14.000 And then I also saw, like, David Duke and Richard Spencer and all these guys who are kind of like, I mean, Richard Spencer, I think, is a white nationalist. 0.91

00:40:22.000 David Duke has been around forever, you know, is a bigoted guy who had an almost successful run for governor, I think, at one point in Louisiana, but, you know, has been around forever. 0.95

00:40:32.000 Now, I find a lot of both of their ideas fucked up and offensive. 0.90

00:40:37.000 But they got a permit. 0.98

00:40:38.000 And were there to speak.

00:40:40.000 And this was the next day. 0.99

00:40:42.000 The night before, they were out doing all that crazy shit that we were talking about. 0.95

00:40:46.000 And then I did see this video of groups of people who were forced out when they cancelled the speech. 0.98

00:40:52.000 Forced out through an Antifa mob. 0.80

00:40:53.000 And a bunch of them getting tear gassed and rocks thrown at them and shit like that. 0.54

00:40:57.000 So, I don't know. 0.99

00:40:58.000 I mean, as disgusting as white supremacy may be, or national socialism, particularly to me, someone whose family was fucking slaughtered by them, I believe in freedom of speech. 0.98

00:41:10.000 So I do think to some degree, I just get where Trump is being... 0.98

00:41:16.000 I guess what I'm just sympathetic to is that he's being raked over the coals for calling out both sides instead of just calling out one side.

00:41:24.000 Whereas everyone on the left is silent about this Antifa group.

00:41:27.000 It just started getting press, actually covered in a fair way in the mainstream media.

00:41:32.000 But it's everywhere.

00:41:33.000 Well, I think the idea of Antifa, though, is to react to people they disagree with who are speaking, right?

00:41:40.000 This is their idea.

00:41:41.000 Versus the idea of right supremacists to walk down the street and denounce other weaker races and get together as this big group with torches.

00:41:48.000 And then people protest them and there's violence.

00:41:51.000 I think you've got to address the root of the idea of it as a representative of all the people of the United States.

00:41:57.000 The root of the idea of it is that It's okay to be a white racist.

00:42:01.000 And, you know, there's a lot of people that say, what about brown pride? 1.00

00:42:04.000 How come Cain Velasquez has brown pride tattooed on his fucking chest? 0.98

00:42:07.000 If you don't know the difference between a guy who is born of immigrants that literally his dad walked from Mexico You know, I mean, this is... 0.99

00:42:17.000 He's first generation.

00:42:19.000 I mean, you're...

00:42:20.000 Or second generation, I guess.

00:42:21.000 His dad was first generation?

00:42:22.000 How's it work?

00:42:22.000 No.

00:42:23.000 He's first generation American.

00:42:25.000 Because his dad was from Mexico.

00:42:26.000 I mean, this is a...

00:42:27.000 It's a different... 0.99

00:42:28.000 I mean, they came here to try to get a better life because they got a shit roll of the dice. 0.99

00:42:31.000 They were born in Mexico. 0.99

00:42:33.000 And he wanted out.

00:42:34.000 And he wanted better for his family.

00:42:36.000 So they took a chance to come here.

00:42:37.000 When he has brown pride tattooed on his...

00:42:39.000 He's not saying, like... 0.91

00:42:41.000 You know, they're gonna dominate and the Jews will not replace us. 1.00

00:42:44.000 He's saying, I'm proud to be a Mexican. 0.82

00:42:45.000 Sure.

00:42:46.000 When you say you're proud to be a Mexican, for whatever reason, and I don't know why, it doesn't mean you hate white people.

00:42:52.000 It doesn't mean you hate black people.

00:42:54.000 It means you have pride in your heritage.

00:42:55.000 When you have white pride... 0.95

00:42:57.000 For whatever reason, I don't know why, but our thought is that you hate other races. 1.00

00:43:02.000 Like if you're a white nationalist, like you love white people, people look at you like you're a piece of shit, and you're a racist, and you think black people are inferior, and you think Mexican people, and Asian people, and American Indians, you think they're all inferior. 1.00

00:43:17.000 That's how we look at it. 1.00

00:43:19.000 If you have black pride, we look at you as a strong person who's resisting this really fucked up society that has brought your ancient ancestors over from Africa and enslaved your people and literally marginalized everyone who looks like you and you are there to fight against that. 0.98

00:43:40.000 Yeah, well, but it's kind of strange in a way. 0.98

00:43:43.000 Like, even as you say it, it's kind of strange that we think of one this way and the other that way.

00:43:47.000 I do think, like, I get that.

00:43:48.000 I certainly get the point that, like, Cain Velasquez tattooing brown pride on his skin, given his story, is a very different thing than tattooing white pride on your skin because you're, like, a neo-Nazi or something like that.

00:44:00.000 Well, Cain was the UFC heavyweight champion, and it never came up.

00:44:03.000 He's arguably the greatest UFC heavyweight in history.

00:44:06.000 Oh, it only came up in the fact that they were like, oh, we're gonna sell numbers in Mexico City.

00:44:11.000 Brown pride. 0.73

00:44:12.000 And they did, and he lost the belt there.

00:44:13.000 Well, he shouldn't have used brown. 0.99

00:44:14.000 It's a fucking English word. 1.00

00:44:16.000 People are like, what the fuck, bro? 1.00

00:44:20.000 What's the word brown in Spanish? 1.00

00:44:23.000 What's the word pride in Spanish?

00:44:24.000 I guarantee you it ain't brown pride. 0.91

00:44:27.000 If you go over there and you go, I got brown pride, they go, what? 0.73

00:44:31.000 What'd you say?

00:44:32.000 So it weirdly symbolizes how American he is.

00:44:35.000 Orgulo marron.

00:44:36.000 That's how you say it.

00:44:37.000 That's what it should say.

00:44:38.000 That's what it should say, Cain! 1.00

00:44:40.000 Fuck, Cain! 1.00

00:44:43.000 I can't wait to see that guy fighting. 1.00

00:44:44.000 I hope he can heal up.

00:44:46.000 Yeah, he's had a lot of injuries, right?

00:44:48.000 Back injuries, yeah.

00:44:48.000 And just his whole career, he's had a lot of injuries.

00:44:50.000 But he's been, yeah, like you said, maybe the best heavyweight ever.

00:44:52.000 But I just wanted to say, to what you were saying, like, I do, I get that.

00:44:55.000 I get the difference.

00:44:56.000 And I think that's a very, very valid point.

00:44:58.000 But, like, there is this thing.

00:45:01.000 Like, the idea of...

00:45:03.000 White people embracing identity politics the way the left has kind of embraced identity politics.

00:45:09.000 Oh, it does in some sick way seem like the natural logical progression if you want to accept what the left wing believes.

00:45:16.000 And then you're like, okay, well, you look at the demographics.

00:45:19.000 White people are becoming a minority in this country in the future.

00:45:21.000 And this is how you kind of have...

00:45:23.000 Like, I get the point you're making, but at the same time, it's a bit of a weird setup that the left has where, like, everyone else is allowed to say these things except white people.

00:45:31.000 Like, political correctness kind of only applies We're going to put everything you say under a fine-tooth comb, but somebody else could say whatever they want.

00:45:39.000 It gets to a cartoonish point where you have Ice Cube lecturing Bill Maher about making a joke, and actually, unironically, while he's promoting his gangster rap album, sitting there going, now what made you think it was cool to say that, Bill Maher? 0.99

00:45:55.000 And it's like, motherfucker, you made Cop Killer! 0.98

00:45:58.000 Yeah, no, that was Ice-T. Oh no, what was his song? 1.00

00:46:02.000 He was cop killer. 0.94

00:46:03.000 Now I'm racist. 1.00

00:46:04.000 Fuck the police was NWA. Sorry, they both didn't like cops, is my point. 1.00

00:46:08.000 But I'm just saying like he makes, you know what's really funny is he calls Eazy-E a house nigga on that album. 0.90

00:46:15.000 Right. 0.95

00:46:16.000 He uses the same insult actually toward another black guy. 0.72

00:46:19.000 Not as a joke, not as a self-deprecating joke the way Bill Maher used it, but in the worst way you could insult Another black guy, he uses it.

00:46:26.000 So I just think there is this weird dynamic on the left where it's like their rhetoric is so anti-white and so anti-male that I almost sit there and I go like, man, if you guys think Charlottesville is ugly, you're going to create a lot more of this. 0.95

00:46:40.000 I was sitting at my sister's place a couple weeks ago and talking with a few of her left-wing professors, and my sister's got, like, she's a college professor, she's got this big, like, bookshelf up behind the, you know, like, behind the table, like, lots of books, and I just looked over and there was a Michael Moore book from the 90s called Stupid White Men. 0.82

00:46:57.000 And you just look at it and you're like, oh, yeah.

00:46:59.000 Maybe that's why they're all angry.

00:47:02.000 People don't like being the bad guy their whole life. 1.00

00:47:04.000 Can you imagine if a black guy wrote a book called Stupid Black Men? 1.00

00:47:07.000 They would come at him so hard. 1.00

00:47:10.000 That sounds like something Larry Elder might write, but with a more eloquent title. 1.00

00:47:15.000 Here's what's wrong with some stupid black men. 1.00

00:47:18.000 If a black guy wrote a book that was like, oh, you know, all white people aren't stupid, they'd be like, Uncle Tom. 1.00

00:47:23.000 Right away, it's like, oh, you sell out. 1.00

00:47:25.000 Yeah.

00:47:26.000 Well, it's racist.

00:47:28.000 Yeah.

00:47:28.000 We just don't like to think it's racist because it's about white people and generally white people don't have to deal with racism nearly as much as other races, so we allow it to be okay.

00:47:35.000 It's also sexist. 0.99

00:47:37.000 There's a big thing that's going on now, especially lately, where women think it's okay to say all white cis men are trash. 1.00

00:47:44.000 I mean, it's so fucking common. 1.00

00:47:46.000 It is such a crazy generalization to say that all men or all white men are terrible and they're horrible trash until they prove otherwise. 1.00

00:47:56.000 And it's so fucking contradictory. 1.00

00:47:58.000 But they feel like it's okay to say that. 0.95

00:47:59.000 But it so contradicts everything they've supposedly believed in.

00:48:03.000 Right. 0.68

00:48:03.000 So like, you know, if there's like a Muslim terrorist event, and then somebody lumps that into like radical, or you know, lumps that into all Muslims, people on the left will lose their mind. 0.68

00:48:15.000 Like, how can you lump the whole group in with what this one bad guy did?

00:48:19.000 And then they turn around and lecture white people about like the evils of history.

00:48:22.000 Yeah.

00:48:22.000 But forget, if we just stop saying left and right, don't you think that what this is is just human beings doing that team thing, you know?

00:48:29.000 And once you start adopting the rules and the patterns of the team, whether you're a Wisconsin cheesehead or you're a Boston Red Sox fan or whatever the fuck it is that you're into, you get in this, like, you've ever heard those Vikings chant where they're...

00:48:46.000 They get the whole stadium, like a thousand people, and they clap their hands together. 0.94

00:48:52.000 It's insane.

00:48:53.000 It's amazing.

00:48:54.000 It's amazing, right?

00:48:55.000 But obviously, that is a groupthink sort of a situation.

00:48:58.000 And they all gear together.

00:49:01.000 And they all support this behavior that makes them feel good that they're a part of this group.

00:49:05.000 And I think people do that whenever they support right-wing causes.

00:49:09.000 And I think people do that whenever they support left-wing causes.

00:49:12.000 And what the right and the left are...

00:49:14.000 It's essentially just frameworks that we can fit in our ideologies and our mind and our needs and all of our social and emotional requirements, and we can fit them into these patterns that we follow. 0.97

00:49:28.000 And when anybody opposes the structure that we've adopted as reality, then we fight with bike locks and fucking pepper-spraying girls with Trump hats on. 1.00

00:49:38.000 And, you know, you find all sorts of... 0.98

00:49:42.000 Insane justifications for racism, sexism, all sorts of crazy shit that if it would happen to anyone else other than the person that you're opposing, you would think of it as being a horrible front to everything that you stand for. 0.99

00:49:56.000 But as long as it's a white man, who cares? 1.00

00:49:57.000 Hit him in the head with a bike lock. 1.00

00:49:58.000 Imagine if it was a black woman that this professor was disagreeing with and he stepped up and he hit her in the head with a bike lock. 1.00

00:50:06.000 It's insane. 0.99

00:50:07.000 When you see someone who does that from Antifa, it is exactly the same as that redneck who pulls out his gun and shoots at that black guy who's holding a torch. 0.97

00:50:17.000 Yeah. 0.87

00:50:17.000 I mean, this is all the same thing. 0.87

00:50:19.000 Well, I also...

00:50:20.000 No, I mean, you're right.

00:50:21.000 And it's like there are shocking similarities between the extreme left and the extreme right or, you know, whatever.

00:50:28.000 You know, these teams.

00:50:29.000 And I agree with you completely. 0.99

00:50:30.000 I think it's all this tribal team groupthink bullshit, kind of. 0.99

00:50:36.000 To a large degree outgrown, but that still kind of haunts us and is still with us. 0.99

00:50:40.000 I don't think they've outgrown it in universities, and that's part of the issue.

00:50:43.000 That's why this is all happening at UC Berkeley.

00:50:44.000 That's why you're seeing it all throughout the country in these universities.

00:50:48.000 Because in universities, first of all, you have a bunch of people.

00:50:51.000 Let's try to be as honest and objective as possible.

00:50:54.000 First of all, you have a bunch of people that are seeking knowledge.

00:50:56.000 You have young people that are idealistic, that want to change the world, that want to stand out as being better.

00:51:00.000 They want a virtue signal.

00:51:01.000 They want to do all the crazy things that they can to be something great.

00:51:04.000 And there's other ones that want to get laid, and there's other ones that want to manipulate, and they still don't know who they are, they still don't know how to behave.

00:51:11.000 Then you have these professors, and a lot of these professors went through this process, and then after they went through this process, they got their PhD, they wrote, and then they started teaching.

00:51:19.000 And so they have never been outside the hallowed halls of academia since the time they were like 19. They've been going through the whole system.

00:51:28.000 And some of them do it and they do it with balance and they figure out who they are and they take great pride in the fact that they can mold these young minds and give them information.

00:51:37.000 And some of them are incredibly broken people who are never sexually viable when they were young and now they're in a position of power.

00:51:45.000 And they virtue signal to a sickening degree.

00:51:48.000 And you see them standing up for women above all else.

00:51:53.000 Which is what happened with this whole Betsy DeVos thing. 1.00

00:51:56.000 They're trying to push due process in the case of these sexual assault cases on campus.

00:52:05.000 And people are resisting due process.

00:52:07.000 People are resisting guilty until proven innocent.

00:52:11.000 That's what they want.

00:52:13.000 And I'm sorry, like, and I don't mean to also, like, you know, like, keep harping on this kind of left versus right thing, but it's hard for me.

00:52:19.000 I almost want, like, some term to, like, define, but this left side of, like, on college campuses, this group, their position is simultaneously, I mean, it's really quite amazing, their position is that, and this is what basically what was just repealed now, but this is what the guidelines under Obama basically did on college campuses,

00:52:36.000 they said, okay, there's no due process for men who are accused of rape.

00:52:40.000 Oh, and by the way, And this isn't in the legislation.

00:52:43.000 This is just the cultural punch.

00:52:44.000 But so there's no due process for men accused of rape.

00:52:46.000 And by the way, everything is rape.

00:52:48.000 Everything is rape. 0.99

00:52:49.000 Everything is rape. 1.00

00:52:49.000 Every guy you've ever met is a serial rapist. 1.00

00:52:52.000 Yeah, I mean, if you had anything to drink, by the way, the man is not responsible, or the man is responsible, the woman is not. 0.97

00:52:59.000 So they both had three beers.

00:53:01.000 I mean, you've probably taken 90% at least of the pool of what Men and women in America previously considered good guys.

00:53:09.000 Forget even, like, rapists.

00:53:11.000 Good men.

00:53:12.000 Like, just the guys who you think are good people.

00:53:14.000 Like, consider it. 0.97

00:53:15.000 90% of them are probably serial rapists. 0.56

00:53:17.000 Have you heard a story from the University of Amherst? 1.00

00:53:20.000 It's one of the most ridiculous ones. 0.90

00:53:21.000 We're this guy suing now, and he has gone through hell for the last couple years. 0.95

00:53:25.000 But it was a kid who was a student from Nigeria, and some girl who was in his class, and they hooked up, and they got together, and apparently they were slightly intoxicated, I think, on marijuana.

00:53:38.000 The girl gave the guy a blowjob, and then she wanted to stop, and he was trying to get her to do it again, and she said no, and so they ended it.

00:53:46.000 That was it. 0.95

00:53:48.000 She talked to her friends.

00:53:49.000 They decided that she had been sexually assaulted because he was trying to get her, come on, please.

00:53:55.000 You know, I don't know what he said.

00:53:56.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:53:56.000 Maybe he was like, suck a bitch. 1.00

00:53:57.000 But that would be enough in this world. 1.00

00:53:59.000 That would be enough. 1.00

00:54:00.000 I don't know what the fuck he said. 0.99

00:54:01.000 I don't know what the scenario was. 1.00

00:54:02.000 But I do know that it was essentially an awkward sexual exchange between young people.

00:54:07.000 Which is just a part of being a young person who's having sex. 0.66

00:54:11.000 When you're a person and you're 18 years old or whatever they were and you're in college and you're having sex and you're in some sort of a sexual scenario with a new person, how long have you been doing that?

00:54:22.000 Three years?

00:54:22.000 How good are you at it?

00:54:23.000 You're probably fucking terrible at it. 1.00

00:54:25.000 You're probably awkward as shit. 1.00

00:54:27.000 You're probably weird around women. 1.00

00:54:28.000 You can't believe they like you.

00:54:30.000 You don't know why they like you.

00:54:31.000 Maybe you're confused.

00:54:32.000 Maybe you think you have to act a certain way.

00:54:35.000 Finding yourself through that adolescent period.

00:54:37.000 Yeah, and like you said before, you actually do not have a fully developed brain.

00:54:40.000 Yeah.

00:54:40.000 And it's a different, and forget even in sex and stuff like that, there's just things, how many things did you do at 20 where you'd look back and go, oh, what a douchey thing that was to do.

00:54:48.000 Like, that's not how you treat someone. 0.99

00:54:50.000 So this young guy, I think he was 19 at the time, somewhere in the college age, whatever it was, he's fucked. 0.99

00:54:56.000 They kicked him out of school. 0.99

00:54:57.000 They labeled him some sort of a sexual predator.

00:55:00.000 And he's in this terrible position where now he's suing the school, but it's going to take a long time before anything gets resolved.

00:55:06.000 And, you know, we don't know the whole story of the case.

00:55:09.000 But if the case is as he's representing it and as no one said he held her down, no one said he tried to rape her, no one said he threatened violence, no one said anything like that.

00:55:19.000 Her version of the story is that they had some sort of a willing sexual encounter and she just didn't want to go any further and he asked her to and she said no and then it ended.

00:55:27.000 That's it.

00:55:28.000 That is a normal, that's just part of being a young person.

00:55:32.000 That's just part of being a young person having sex, especially if you're intoxicated.

00:55:35.000 Is it a good idea to have sex intoxicated?

00:55:38.000 I don't know.

00:55:39.000 I mean, I've done it a bunch.

00:55:40.000 I'm sure you have too.

00:55:41.000 A lot of fun.

00:55:42.000 Most people have.

00:55:43.000 Yeah, stop pretending you haven't done it.

00:55:45.000 Stop pretending that a lot...

00:55:46.000 Look, there's all sorts of mistakes you make when you're drunk.

00:55:49.000 Why are they so much bigger if it's sex?

00:55:52.000 And there's something about just using the word rape. 0.66

00:55:55.000 I mean, it's like, look, rape is a particularly...

00:55:59.000 horrific cutting word because of what a horrific crime it is and then to try to make everything else like it's literally I mean the extent they go it's almost like you know it's like if you if you punch someone in the arm and they go you committed arm murder or something like that it's like no you can't just you can't just throw that word at everything yeah I mean everybody wants to get rid of rapists it's worse than that because at least that's an assault At least it's an actual egregious offense.

00:56:23.000 If you're talking about people having sex while they're drunk, there's no crime.

00:56:26.000 So it would be like calling a glance murder. 1.00

00:56:30.000 I mean, it's fucking crazy. 0.98

00:56:32.000 It's the idea of microaggressions. 0.98

00:56:34.000 This is the whole thing that underpins the philosophy, which I find really terrifying, is that the idea of microaggression or social justice.

00:56:43.000 It's like you take these terms like aggression or justice, that meant something.

00:56:47.000 And now you've made them mean the opposite of what they mean.

00:56:50.000 A microaggression is not an aggression, inherently.

00:56:53.000 It's not an aggression.

00:56:54.000 No, no, it's a normal part of human communication.

00:56:56.000 You say something to me and I go like this, and I walk away.

00:57:00.000 That's what people do, okay?

00:57:01.000 That's a microaggression.

00:57:03.000 And this is why I find it to be such the issue of our time.

00:57:07.000 I almost forget.

00:57:08.000 It's not the issue I necessarily wanted to be the issue of our time.

00:57:11.000 I was hoping it would be like embracing libertarianism full on or something.

00:57:14.000 But it just seems to be like, are you for free speech or against free speech?

00:57:18.000 And free speech is such a prereq for everything.

00:57:21.000 It's a prerequisite for everything about the society we live in.

00:57:26.000 And everything, particularly what you do, what I do, everything we do.

00:57:30.000 What I love in life is comedy and truth.

00:57:34.000 And you can't have either of those without free speech.

00:57:36.000 It's impossible.

00:57:37.000 You can't have this conversation without free speech.

00:57:39.000 We couldn't have this conversation if we were on a state-sponsored program.

00:57:44.000 If we were on a corporate-sponsored program, we likely couldn't have this conversation without being interrupted or being lectured to or having some conversation with someone who says, hey, you can't say the word nigger. 0.84

00:57:55.000 Right. 0.63

00:57:55.000 You're not allowed to say it. 0.63

00:57:56.000 Forget about what Bill Maher did it.

00:57:58.000 Don't say that noise with your mouth.

00:58:00.000 Not calling someone it, not saying you are one, you know? 1.00

00:58:04.000 And like, no one can go, but that's fucking retarded. 1.00

00:58:06.000 It's words. 1.00

00:58:07.000 That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. 0.99

00:58:08.000 But that's, well, this is the rule, and this is how everybody operates. 0.99

00:58:11.000 And there's a thing where it's not, I mean, it's not, if we're living in a world of, I can't commit a microaggression, I can't go down a path that might offend anybody, You need that freedom in order to find anything interesting.

00:58:25.000 There's nothing worth saying if you're living in this world where you're like, oh, I can't get outside of this box.

00:58:29.000 So I find that to be very just...

00:58:33.000 It's, like, very dangerous. 0.99

00:58:34.000 And I feel like people in America, it's almost like we've had it too good for too long, that people are removed from the fact that we can lose all this shit. 0.93

00:58:41.000 It's like there's no respect for, like, what we have, how much higher a standard of living we live than the vast, you know, most humans that are alive today, and the vast majority of humans who have ever existed. 0.90

00:58:56.000 I mean, I get this from a Jordan Peterson lecture, but he said it was in 1895, the average American lived on a dollar a day, adjusted for modern inflation.

00:59:06.000 So in 1895, you know, it's like Central Asia-level poverty.

00:59:11.000 In America.

00:59:12.000 And that's just everyone before that.

00:59:14.000 Living in back-breaking poverty was, like, just life.

00:59:18.000 That was just all of life.

00:59:19.000 And it's like, we figured something out in these last less than 200 years.

00:59:23.000 You know, like, we figured something—or a little more than 200 years—we figured something out—wait, what am I saying?

00:59:28.000 No, no, no.

00:59:28.000 Less than 200 years.

00:59:29.000 We figured something out in this industrial revolution that, like, now lets us live up here on this—and it's like, we can lose that.

00:59:35.000 And a lot of it had to do with freedom.

00:59:37.000 The whole thing to me is freedom.

00:59:39.000 The whole thing is that we embrace...

00:59:40.000 Look, if you look in the year...

00:59:42.000 You had on your show Thaddeus Russell, who's great.

00:59:46.000 I just did his podcast recently.

00:59:48.000 He put it this way, where he goes, you know, in the year 1800...

00:59:51.000 Because I was talking about what an incredible thing the 19th century was and how it transformed humanity.

00:59:55.000 And he goes, in the year 1800, Americans are all making their own clothes.

00:59:59.000 In the year 1900, Americans are shopping at Macy's.

01:00:04.000 If you had sat in the year 1845 and been like, dude, in the next 65 years, slavery is going to be abolished in the West and we're going to have an industrial revolution.

01:00:16.000 It's like magic.

01:00:17.000 And that's why we live the way we live today.

01:00:19.000 And no one is even interested in that story.

01:00:22.000 Why do we have this much wealth?

01:00:24.000 And like what you said, I think it's all about freedom.

01:00:27.000 And when you have a guy like Bernie Sanders who harps on and on about income inequality, I have a real issue with that because it's one of those blanket statements that sounds really good at a campaign speech, but freedom itself breeds income inequality.

01:00:41.000 Yes.

01:00:41.000 Because freedom means you can do whatever you want.

01:00:43.000 You can do very little, or you can work like a maniac.

01:00:46.000 Well, if you're going to work like a maniac, if here's the game, okay?

01:00:49.000 You do something for that something, you get currency, you use that currency to buy things, or to make sure you don't have to work again, buy food and goods and take trips and travel.

01:01:01.000 The more you work, the more you decide that you want to pursue something, the more chances you have to acquire that currency if you do it correctly.

01:01:09.000 That is income inequality due to freedom.

01:01:13.000 I mean, take away all the other factors that might be in play, whether it's racial discrimination or sexual discrimination.

01:01:20.000 I'm not denying that those things exist.

01:01:22.000 But what I am saying is that the idea that you are going to have income equality in a capitalist society where anybody can do whatever they want, you know people.

01:01:31.000 That is so counter to what we know about human behavior.

01:01:34.000 I agree.

01:01:35.000 You're talking about a fantasy person who doesn't exist, who has motivations outside of wealth, outside of, you know, most people want some sort of reward for what they do. 0.76

01:01:46.000 And if everybody gets the same amount, there's no fucking reward for working extra hard.

01:01:51.000 Yeah, absolutely. 0.96

01:01:51.000 And you're not going to get Microsoft. 0.96

01:01:53.000 You're not going to get IBM. You're not going to get Apple.

01:01:55.000 I mean, it's not just.

01:01:57.000 I mean, they talk about fairness a lot, which is a strange concept, but it's not just that somebody works twice as hard and doesn't get more.

01:02:03.000 I mean, that's not the right thing to do.

01:02:05.000 But like what you were saying, and I just think it's like they use the term so much, but what's misleading about it, you're absolutely right that freedom breeds inequality, but what's misleading about it is by that people think like the poor get poorer.

01:02:17.000 And that is objectively false, demonstrably false.

01:02:21.000 It's not that they make it out like the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, like that old saying, but it's like, if you think it through, that can't really continue like that.

01:02:29.000 You're always going to have poor, you're always going to have rich, but if the poor work hard and figure they have a possibility to escape whatever economic situation they're in, it is possible with freedom.

01:02:40.000 And homeless people here live better than rich people in third world countries, or certainly at least better than average people in third world countries.

01:02:48.000 So it's not just that the inequality grows, it's like everything moves up and the inequality grows up here.

01:02:54.000 This is what I can't understand, and again it's like what I was saying before, if you have any concept of the fact that we're by far the richest, freest human beings who have ever existed in recorded human history, at least recorded, Human history.

01:03:07.000 Who knows what is going on in ancient Egypt?

01:03:10.000 Or before ancient Egypt.

01:03:11.000 But if you realize that we have this incredible amount, then it's like, yeah.

01:03:15.000 It's like just being like, oh, we need all of these policies to give handouts to poor people.

01:03:21.000 It's like, well, actually...

01:03:23.000 Let's continue this train of getting richer and richer and richer, which is not at all...

01:03:28.000 People like Bernie Sanders, man, it's like...

01:03:31.000 Well, it's a hustle.

01:03:32.000 Bernie's got a hustle going on. 1.00

01:03:33.000 Yeah, he's full of shit. 1.00

01:03:35.000 You find out it's a hustle when you find out he's got a bunch of houses. 1.00

01:03:38.000 Yep. 0.99

01:03:38.000 And his wife tried to buy up all this fucking land to expand a university that she was running. 0.99

01:03:43.000 She killed the whole fucking school. 1.00

01:03:44.000 Like, you got greedy. 1.00

01:03:46.000 How about the fact that the motherfucker... 1.00

01:03:47.000 And we haven't seen... 1.00

01:03:48.000 First off, he made a million dollars off a book.

01:04:02.000 I think the world would be a better place if we had more social programs in place.

01:04:07.000 I think the world would be a better place if colleges were free.

01:04:13.000 Disagree with like the thought behind that I think they're all of these things would be better suited in voluntary Arrangements than some forced government monopoly, but I do agree with you that like sure I'd like great schools to be very affordable or free if possible I'd like everyone to be and Bernie Sanders certainly addressed some very real problems Yeah,

01:04:30.000 like he would point things out that were very real like he would be like you know They claim it's a great recovery, but you know 90% of the new wealth has gone to the top three percent You know like he'd have some points Jackie Mason I only do one New York Jew, and that has to apply to every New York Jew who's out there. 0.52

01:04:49.000 And I don't care if Bernie Sanders makes a million dollars, but there's something, like, number one, making a million dollars while claiming it's kind of a moral issue that some people have so much while others have so little.

01:05:00.000 Endorsing Hillary Clinton.

01:05:02.000 I mean, I just don't know how you can look at the guy who goes, the problem is income inequality and the banking cartel.

01:05:10.000 But I'm going to vote for the candidate of the big banks.

01:05:12.000 To me, that's insane.

01:05:13.000 To me, it would be if Ron Paul endorsed McCain.

01:05:16.000 Well, don't you think the big banks sort of were on both teams?

01:05:20.000 Yeah.

01:05:20.000 Well, I don't know if they were on Trump's team, but they've certainly been on every other team besides that.

01:05:24.000 But they are now.

01:05:24.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:05:25.000 Most certainly.

01:05:26.000 Oh, yeah.

01:05:26.000 Absolutely.

01:05:27.000 It's not even like the teams.

01:05:28.000 They run the Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve.

01:05:30.000 They run the whole system.

01:05:32.000 But the fact that Bernie Sanders never had a fiery speech about what happened at the DNC, about how they literally conspired to ruin him and to take him out of the race with Hillary, because the DNC wanted Hillary to be the candidate.

01:05:44.000 They literally sabotaged Oh, they were very open.

01:05:46.000 I mean, I shouldn't say they were very open about that.

01:05:48.000 Openly, they lied and said, we don't have a pick.

01:05:50.000 But the leaks that were weaponized were, I mean, really, some of it.

01:05:54.000 Russia did it. 0.85

01:05:55.000 Russia ruined everything. 0.99

01:05:56.000 I actually saw, I actually remember, it was one of the most surreal, and I'm a guy who's always preaching about how full of shit the media is, but even I've, like this last year, that'll give the Trump moment credit, even I've been like, holy shit, I can't believe it. 0.99

01:06:08.000 But I was watching a We're good to go. 0.98

01:06:34.000 Was that CNN leaked debate questions to Hillary Clinton before the debate.

01:06:41.000 Like, you know, they sit here talking about undermining democracy for a month.

01:06:45.000 What could do more to undermine democracy than the debate, the things that people actually watch and vote on in America?

01:06:52.000 They gave Hillary Clinton the questions that were asked at the debate.

01:06:55.000 We know for a fact two.

01:06:56.000 I'm sure there were more.

01:06:57.000 But we know two questions were given to her and that they were both asked.

01:06:59.000 And Hillary Clinton takes them! 0.99

01:07:02.000 Doesn't have a problem, doesn't have a moral issue with that, just takes them and pretends she's hearing the questions for the first time.

01:07:07.000 And the show that I'm watching talk about this on CNN, that's talking about the weaponized information and not mentioning what the information was, the show is called Reliable Sources.

01:07:19.000 It's a show where they break down the media. 0.92

01:07:23.000 It's surreal to be watching.

01:07:25.000 And then those same guys in CNN go, we've got an epidemic of fake news on the internet. 1.00

01:07:30.000 And you're like, man, I don't know if I'm living through a fucking simulation or what, but this is some nutty shit. 0.99

01:07:35.000 Well, it's also so obvious when you watch the strategies play out. 0.99

01:07:38.000 Like, for people who don't remember, Hillary Clinton, before she ran against Trump, was running against Barack Obama.

01:07:45.000 And when she was running against Barack Obama, one of the things she did was she positioned herself as to be right of center.

01:07:51.000 So, more right...

01:07:54.000 Right.

01:08:12.000 Well, Obama, by the way... 1.00

01:08:13.000 I'm okay with going left because I don't want no more war in Iraq, but these fags marrying each other and butt-fucking is just a... 1.00

01:08:21.000 Me and Gary have been married for 25 years. 1.00

01:08:25.000 You think it's right that they get to be the same thing we are under Christ? 1.00

01:08:29.000 Fuck all that. 1.00

01:08:30.000 Well, just to be fair, Obama was also against gay marriage in that election, but she absolutely, you're right. 1.00

01:08:35.000 What did he say?

01:08:36.000 How did he say it?

01:08:37.000 He did the same thing. 1.00

01:08:39.000 These motherfuckers, until it's like 51% approval rating, then all of a sudden they come to Jesus. 1.00

01:08:44.000 I think they need 53. Yeah, it's like, right when it starts being a wedge issue, we can use. 1.00

01:08:49.000 You know, right when Obama's going, oh, we need re-election, and I didn't end any of these wars, and Gitmo's still open.

01:08:54.000 It's like if you were a comic, but the only way you could work is if somebody gave you an earpiece and they fed you great lines.

01:08:59.000 Like, you couldn't just ad-lib yourself.

01:09:01.000 Like, if you were doing this podcast, and while you're doing this podcast, Big J's over in the corner, feeding you lines through one of your earpieces, right?

01:09:08.000 There's a team of guys, you know?

01:09:10.000 There's a few other guys in the background.

01:09:12.000 They're running research on it.

01:09:15.000 Jamie's over there constantly Googling.

01:09:17.000 They're focus grouping.

01:09:18.000 And you have a screen in front of you.

01:09:21.000 Howard Stern used to have that with Jackie the Joke Man.

01:09:24.000 This is way back in the day.

01:09:26.000 Really?

01:09:26.000 He'd see the jokes?

01:09:27.000 Yeah, what he did was he had a thing where you would write on like an overhead projector.

01:09:33.000 It was like a thing.

01:09:35.000 It was like a camera and he would see the video of it on his side.

01:09:38.000 He would see the picture.

01:09:39.000 So you had a funny line.

01:09:41.000 You would write down the funny line and you would put it on the projector and Howard would get it on his screen.

01:09:45.000 And that's one of the things that Jackie the Joke Man did.

01:09:48.000 He was great at one-liners and things along those lines.

01:09:51.000 He knew a lot of jokes.

01:09:51.000 And so he would give Howard really funny things to say, and he would juice it up.

01:09:54.000 And I did the Jackie chair for a couple times when Jackie the Joke Man quit.

01:10:00.000 Jackie wanted like a million dollars a year, and they wouldn't give him a million dollars a year.

01:10:02.000 They would give him like 900,000. 1.00

01:10:04.000 He was like, fuck you! 1.00

01:10:04.000 So he left. 1.00

01:10:05.000 And so when he left, they had a bunch of guys sit in that chair, and one of them was Artie, and Artie wound up taking that job.

01:10:11.000 And part of Artie's job was to feed Howard lines.

01:10:14.000 And that kid Benji, he's really funny, man.

01:10:17.000 He would write down stuff and feed Howard funny lines.

01:10:20.000 So he has a few guys on the side that would toss him stuff.

01:10:23.000 Which is essentially what a politician does, right?

01:10:26.000 A politician, you're not going to get They're full, unadulterated ideas, except for Trump.

01:10:32.000 And that's one of the things that was so refreshing about Trump, even though it was a shitty message, even though there's a poverty of words and the way he spoke and there was this clunkiness to it all. 0.52

01:10:43.000 Well, there certainly is a clunkiness. 0.77

01:10:44.000 There's no question about that.

01:10:46.000 It's a very, very simplistic way of speaking compared to what we're used to from politicians.

01:10:52.000 Yeah, like all slogans.

01:10:54.000 Slogans.

01:10:54.000 Slogans work.

01:10:55.000 I think there is something about the fact that he was, as you were saying, completely unrestrained.

01:11:03.000 You know, there's something really interesting about Trump.

01:11:06.000 I mean, the whole thing is really fascinating.

01:11:08.000 But it's the most profoundly hilarious and interesting moment ever.

01:11:12.000 And no one wants to appreciate it because they're so dug into one or the other.

01:11:16.000 I'm not scared of nuclear war with Korea, too. 0.56

01:11:17.000 Well, I get that.

01:11:18.000 That's kind of scary.

01:11:19.000 I mean, it's more scary for the people in Seoul than...

01:11:43.000 We're good to go.

01:11:50.000 But Trump is hated, and I gotta be honest, if you ask people on the left why they hate him, I think they struggle to give you a really good, honest answer for it.

01:11:58.000 I mean, they'll say things like...

01:11:59.000 You really think so?

01:11:59.000 I think they say things like racism, or like bigotry, or, you know, I'd say...

01:12:04.000 EPA, people who are paying attention to what he's doing to roll back.

01:12:06.000 Yes, sure, sure.

01:12:08.000 Right, they were worried about that, although...

01:12:10.000 I gotta say, the EPA thing, I don't think any of this is actually the source of the Trump hatred.

01:12:15.000 I think this is like, we hate Trump, and now, what's he doing that's terrible?

01:12:18.000 So we're going to get evidence against him.

01:12:21.000 The truth is, what they'll say nine out of ten times if I present this to a left-wing person, I'll go like, oh, you know, he's pretty much continuing all the Obama policies, or it's, you know, virtually the same, which I think is one of the really big stories of the Trump era so far, that how much is the same since Obama?

01:12:35.000 No one wants to talk about this.

01:12:36.000 What are the big changes?

01:12:37.000 I don't think there are.

01:12:39.000 I'm not saying there are no changes.

01:12:40.000 Immigration policy.

01:12:42.000 Immigration policy, he wrote one executive order that then got suspended by the courts.

01:12:45.000 Hasn't really gone into effect.

01:12:46.000 But it's the idea that he's promoting.

01:12:50.000 His rhetoric is very, very different.

01:12:52.000 No question about that.

01:12:52.000 He promotes different ideas.

01:12:53.000 His rhetoric is very, very different.

01:12:55.000 But in terms of monetary policy, fiscal policy, foreign policy, the war on drugs, any of this stuff...

01:13:01.000 Yeah, but not foreign policy if you're talking about immigration.

01:13:02.000 I mean, that's kind of...

01:13:03.000 Okay, I'm putting that in domestic policy in my mind, but yeah, fair enough.

01:13:07.000 Well, in foreign policy, speaking about, because I was saying nine out of ten times, the answer to me is they go, well, that's kind of your white privilege, and if you were in one of these groups that's worried about being deported, you would feel differently.

01:13:20.000 But the fact is that deportations are down under Trump.

01:13:24.000 There were more under Obama.

01:13:25.000 I mean, there's a few different arguments for why that reason is.

01:13:29.000 There have been a lot of arrests, but not deportations.

01:13:33.000 But it's just like, even that, the narrative isn't fitting the way To me, what really drove what made people hate Trump was his rhetoric.

01:13:44.000 It was all rhetoric.

01:13:45.000 Obama was deporting lots of people. 0.94

01:13:47.000 Obama was bombing the crap out of them. 0.96

01:13:48.000 Obama was targeting families, and he was torturing. 0.96

01:13:51.000 All these things were happening, but he didn't talk about it.

01:13:54.000 He spoke about it in a nice way. 0.97

01:13:56.000 And Trump was like this unapologetic, white, Rich man who didn't play the PC game and spoke of minorities not in like a glowing, I'm so sorry, like minorities are better than me, I'm the evil white guy. 0.70

01:14:11.000 It was like, no, we're great. 0.90

01:14:12.000 I never say we're great.

01:14:13.000 He would say, you know, some nice things about minorities when asked, but his central message was like, our team's great.

01:14:19.000 And this to me is, I think, the reason why left-wing people's blood boil with Trump.

01:14:24.000 Well, there's just so many pieces of evidence that point to corruption with Russia.

01:14:28.000 So many pieces of evidence that point to the idea that this guy is operating in the interest of himself and of big business, and that he's profiting in a huge way off being the president.

01:14:40.000 And one of the ways they're doing that, they're not rolling back the Environmental Protection Agency standards because they don't believe in them.

01:14:47.000 They're rolling it back because it's impeding business.

01:14:49.000 That's infuriating a lot of people on the left. 0.99

01:14:51.000 That scares the shit out of people when you have some crazy old man who's just doing everything for profit. 0.98

01:14:57.000 Some guy who wants to literally, like, start diss fights with basketball players. 0.98

01:15:04.000 And that host from, that was the thing, we talked about this before, but the host from ESPN who had tweeted all some stuff about him being a white supremacist, and then he asked for ESPN to apologize.

01:15:15.000 I'm like, hey, how come you didn't talk about her, man?

01:15:18.000 He can't talk about her.

01:15:19.000 He can't.

01:15:20.000 He literally can't say her name.

01:15:21.000 Because if he goes after a black woman, then it reinforces all these people's ideas of prejudice.

01:15:26.000 Right. 0.86

01:15:26.000 No, look, I get what you're saying. 0.86

01:15:27.000 And just to the point about corruption, I mean, like, of course, I mean, that's the nature of government.

01:15:33.000 Like, whatever decision they're making is based on what lobbyists is lobbying them the harder.

01:15:37.000 It's all corrupt.

01:15:38.000 But my point is just that that is not at all different with Trump.

01:15:41.000 I mean, like, the corruption under Obama was...

01:15:45.000 I mean, Obama just went and collected $400,000 for a speech to Wall Street.

01:15:53.000 So he's in there a couple months ago, right?

01:15:56.000 But don't they all do that once they get out?

01:15:57.000 Yes, but Obama's like, you're in there, you preside over the bailouts of the banks, started under Bush but continued under Obama, and the big ones, the Fed policy, which really bailed them out.

01:16:06.000 You're in there, you take all this money for your campaigns, you vote every way that they want you to, you preside over the biggest profits...

01:16:13.000 For the big bankers.

01:16:15.000 You put them all around your administration, and you get out and you collect your check.

01:16:18.000 It's like, time to get rich now.

01:16:19.000 That's all one check.

01:16:20.000 He's going to get a ton of those.

01:16:22.000 Oh yeah, a ton of them.

01:16:22.000 He's going to be speaking everywhere.

01:16:24.000 I mean, maybe I'm wrong, right?

01:16:25.000 I'm being too cynical.

01:16:25.000 Probably all of those bankers just really love the way Obama speaks.

01:16:29.000 I mean, he is a great speaker, but my guess is that that's not why they're paying him. 0.99

01:16:33.000 Hillary Clinton is not a great speaker, and they paid her shit tons of money. 1.00

01:16:37.000 And that was one of the things that Bernie said. 0.97

01:16:38.000 Release the transcripts!

01:16:40.000 Release the transcripts!

01:16:41.000 And of course, she didn't, but WikiLeaks did get their hands on one of them, in which she said something that kind of indicated why she didn't release the transcripts.

01:16:49.000 Because she actually said, I'm lying to the public.

01:16:52.000 I mean, not literally, but she basically said to all these bankers to not be concerned about...

01:16:57.000 Because, you know, her public rhetoric at the time was like, you know, no one's too big to fail, no banker too big to jail!

01:17:02.000 And then she basically said to them, in this speech that WikiLeaks leaked the transcript of, where she was like, you know, you have to take one public position, and then hold a different position in private.

01:17:11.000 Right.

01:17:11.000 So she was basically assuring all of them.

01:17:13.000 How do we know that that's unaltered?

01:17:15.000 Well, I mean, it's kind of like the same way that we know that all of the emails are legit.

01:17:20.000 Like, they've been presented.

01:17:21.000 Even the Clintons aren't arguing that they're illegitimate.

01:17:25.000 Like, nobody's really coming out and arguing that they're not legitimate, and it seems to be from a legitimate site.

01:17:30.000 Julian Assange is sort of shifting over time and being more and more aggressive.

01:17:36.000 His position on things, he's more aggressive and more leaning one way.

01:17:41.000 I think he's bummed out that he's still stuck over there.

01:17:45.000 Maybe.

01:17:47.000 Sure, but I think he's been kind of consistent.

01:17:49.000 It's almost like everybody else is changing their tune.

01:17:52.000 I feel like the Democrats, to me, and the people who follow them, and the Trump haters, it's insane how much they've changed their positions. 0.98

01:17:59.000 To me, Julian Assange was exposing all this bullshit under Bush. 0.99

01:18:02.000 He exposes all the shit about Clinton and Obama. 0.99

01:18:04.000 And it was like, yeah, from my perspective, they're all part of the same network, so he's kind of exposing the same network. 0.99

01:18:09.000 Whereas the Democrats became cold warriors.

01:18:13.000 The Democrats, as soon as Trump got in, it's like, well, everything the CIA has taken without any evidence being presented, and Russia is the evil threat of our time.

01:18:21.000 When did you guys become Republicans from the 70s?

01:18:24.000 Just that quickly?

01:18:26.000 I even saw somebody today, it's like the Trump haters, Like, again, feel however you feel about Trump.

01:18:32.000 Hate him, sure.

01:18:33.000 Like, go ahead and be against, like I said, I think it's terrible that he's telling, saying people should be fired for speaking up. 0.99

01:18:39.000 Like, that's ridiculous. 0.87

01:18:40.000 But I see these guys who are like, they're like, oh, you want, you know, you want to talk about patriotism and, like, bashing Trump for being a draft dodger? 0.97

01:18:48.000 He won it just once. 0.95

01:18:49.000 He dodged it a fuck ton of times. 0.93

01:18:51.000 Dude, if you dodged... 0.98

01:18:51.000 How many times did he dodge it? 0.98

01:18:53.000 Dude, whatever you did to stay out of the Vietnam War, God bless you. 1.00

01:18:57.000 God bless you for staying away from that fucking nightmare that was started on a lie. 1.00

01:19:02.000 That was, like, the most disgusting mass slaughter for profit. 1.00

01:19:06.000 I mean, like, if someone avoided that, like, you're mad at him for avoiding going and killing some fucking poor people in Southeast Asia? 0.99

01:19:14.000 Well, it's just a point that they could grab him on the hypocrisy of being a chicken hawk. 0.99

01:19:18.000 Same as Dick Cheney, they did it with him as well. 0.60

01:19:20.000 But it's not because he's... 0.81

01:19:22.000 Look, I'm all for hitting someone for hypocrisy. 0.60

01:19:24.000 Like, if you're advocating a war, hitting them on not wanting to fight a war. 0.79

01:19:27.000 But you're just mad at him for, like, not being on the same side of yours about police brutality.

01:19:32.000 It's like, fine.

01:19:32.000 Well, they're pointing out his character.

01:19:34.000 They're pointing out who he is.

01:19:35.000 Fine, but don't abandon all of your principles.

01:19:37.000 He's this privileged guy.

01:19:38.000 He's not like JFK who went over and fought in the war.

01:19:41.000 I get what you're saying, but I don't think there's...

01:19:43.000 I'm just saying if the left is going to say...

01:19:44.000 To me, it's kind of abandoning your own principles if you're going to bash someone for, like, not fighting in the Vietnam War.

01:19:50.000 Right, but that's...

01:19:50.000 You kind of know what they're doing.

01:19:52.000 They all do that.

01:19:52.000 They try to find something that you did that's kind of questionable that they can politicize.

01:19:56.000 And that's what they did.

01:19:58.000 I get it.

01:19:58.000 I'm just making the same thing with the Democrats becoming the Cold Warriors.

01:20:01.000 It's just like, yeah, so whatever wins, whatever gets you points.

01:20:03.000 What really gets me with the Democrats, with the left, is how all of a sudden Julian Assange is a puppet of Russia now.

01:20:09.000 Like, for the longest time, WikiLeaks was supposed to be the voice of honesty.

01:20:15.000 This non...

01:20:19.000 Bipartisan sort of or bipartisan open-minded group that's just trying to disseminate information They think is critical to the American people that they're being denied like the casual What would it call the casualties?

01:20:33.000 What was that one video that they had?

01:20:36.000 There was a video that one of the first videos was I forget what they called it, but they had a Footage from one of those gunships, one of those helicopters.

01:20:46.000 They showed these guys sort of casually talking about gunning down these reporters.

01:20:50.000 They thought these reporters were carrying guns and so they just opened fire on them and gunned them down, including a bunch of civilians.

01:20:56.000 Yeah, I remember the video, right.

01:20:58.000 I forget what it was called I forget but that that sort of like they they felt like they had some Information that people weren't aware of they weren't allowed to see photos of caskets They weren't allowed to get the full They weren't allowed to have a really informed opinion and what exactly is happening there and when they see the horrors of war in that regard like we see people like sort of casually talk about gunning down some people and I think there were kids in their car Well,

01:21:24.000 they shouldn't have brought kids, you know, like that was like one of the things they had said like that whole thing was like whoa We are better off knowing that this is what can happen if you just allow people to just go to war, and especially some really ambiguous war on terror.

01:21:36.000 That's what WikiLeaks stood for, right?

01:21:38.000 WikiLeaks stood for Chelsea Manning, aka Bradley Manning, releasing this information, someone who was...

01:21:46.000 I believe so.

01:22:04.000 And then, you know, Chelsea Manning, Bradley Manning at the time, paid quite a price for it. 0.96

01:22:11.000 I think 200 days in solitary confinement.

01:22:14.000 This is a really brutal price.

01:22:17.000 And exposed a ton of really interesting stuff.

01:22:20.000 I mean, what we learned from the Bradley Manning dump... 0.98

01:22:24.000 It was, you know, like, all this crazy shit about war crimes. 0.98

01:22:27.000 And then, like, we learned about how there were, like, U.S. officials trying to, like, influence the British Parliament, trying to influence, like, reporters and just all this shady shit that came out. 0.97

01:22:40.000 And then again, it becomes this kind of, like, integrity test for the mainstream media where they just have no interest in it.

01:22:46.000 I mean, if they talk about it, they'll talk about Chelsea Manning, but that's the story.

01:22:50.000 Snowden's the story. 0.99

01:22:51.000 None of it's ever like, oh shit, we learned some crazy shit that's going on. 0.99

01:22:55.000 Well, that's what we are. 1.00

01:22:56.000 We're a nation of gossip.

01:22:57.000 Kaepernick's a story, not Puerto Rico.

01:22:59.000 You know, a guy not standing up with his hand in the correct position that lets us know that we are all on one mindset.

01:23:08.000 Right, right.

01:23:08.000 That guy is more important.

01:23:10.000 And even within that context, and a lot of people like, and this is where there's this weird disconnect between like, There's like the mainstream media and then all of the alternative internet media.

01:23:18.000 And there certainly is a ton of bullshit in the alternative internet media world and a lot of just straight out false stories.

01:23:24.000 But then there are people also talking about the truth there, whereas none of that seems to enter the mainstream media. 0.88

01:23:29.000 So what gets brought up online and in the alternative media, which should be at the center of this story, is that like...

01:23:36.000 Like, the players didn't used to be on the field for the National Anthem.

01:23:39.000 For, like, the vast majority, I think it was 2009 or 2010, the Defense Department cuts these huge checks to the NFL, and then all of a sudden they get the players out on the field so we can do this whole tribute thing, and the military-industrial complex has been, like, working on taking this, like, pastime, the number one sport in America,

01:23:55.000 which is already pretty, like...

01:23:58.000 Warring and making sure we can use this as propaganda to get Americans, you know, into this nationalistic pro-military mindset.

01:24:05.000 I didn't know that.

01:24:06.000 Are you a journalist?

01:24:07.000 How are you not interested in that?

01:24:09.000 How can Obama sign into the National Defense Authorization Act that he has the right to detain American citizens with no charges?

01:24:17.000 And it's like, okay, like...

01:24:19.000 Alex Jones is over here, and like, yeah, I know he says some wild stuff, but he's making a big deal about this.

01:24:24.000 Like, this is crazy.

01:24:25.000 And then the mainstream media just doesn't think it's a big story.

01:24:28.000 How is it possible that you're a journalist, an honest journalist with integrity, and you don't think it's a big story?

01:24:34.000 You don't look at that and go, well, that's the story of my lifetime.

01:24:37.000 Obama just repealed habeas corpus.

01:24:38.000 Don't you think it's the exact same thing as what we were talking about with people in academia and on the left that don't look at things that are in opposition to the groupthink of their ideology?

01:24:48.000 I think it's a lot of that, and it's like this thing where there's this, it's almost like unspoken, unwritten pressure, where you just kind of know.

01:24:56.000 It's like, right, you have this herd mentality, and you know if I step out here, I get bashed.

01:25:00.000 Right.

01:25:01.000 And most people don't want to get bashed.

01:25:03.000 Right.

01:25:03.000 Like, you know, you were talking about the people who are professors, and they're certainly very, very smart people, lots of very, very smart people, but it is a certain personality type.

01:25:12.000 You know, it's like that person who, like, you go to school your whole life, then you go to college, Then you go to grad school, then you teach, and you've basically just been in college your whole life. 0.99

01:25:20.000 Did you see that video of that woman at the Berkeley protest where she's screaming, I'm a fucking professor! 0.99

01:25:27.000 Yes, yes. 1.00

01:25:27.000 Screaming at the cops. 1.00

01:25:28.000 Yeah, see if you can find her, because that is a social retard. 1.00

01:25:31.000 And she's asking them to go arrest people inside? 0.82

01:25:34.000 Arrest people.

01:25:35.000 They're Nazis. 0.61

01:25:36.000 And these are the type of people who never got into college. 1.00

01:25:40.000 They're socially retarded. 1.00

01:25:41.000 I mean, that's really literally what it is. 0.99

01:25:43.000 They never competed in the real world.

01:25:45.000 They didn't formulate a normal...

01:25:48.000 Psychological outlook.

01:25:49.000 Yeah, but there's okay, so there's that that woman who you're talking about and and oh Yeah, she is whatever whatever the Scientology whatever the top level is like I'm saying that's it's left-wing level five Yeah, you've achieved the height of those people are literally mentally disturbed people like these are this is a woman with videos gone I gotta find it impossible.

01:26:08.000 Well, this one is take go to 4chan I don't believe those geniuses at 4chan haven't kept this gem.

01:26:14.000 They kept it.

01:26:14.000 But this is, she's at level five with like Trigly Puff and like all those people.

01:26:18.000 Melissa Crick, that woman who like yelled out for more muscle at Missouri State. 0.76

01:26:22.000 Yes, these are like the maximum level and most of those people are made up of like genuinely disturbed people.

01:26:28.000 Yeah, here she goes. 1.00

01:26:29.000 Here, give me some volume on this crazy bitch. 1.00

01:26:31.000 You're not here to protect these students from Nazis? 1.00

01:26:34.000 No, you're not! 1.00

01:26:35.000 This is completely fucked up! 1.00

01:26:38.000 And these students had to fucking face them on Iran! 1.00

01:26:42.000 You should be a shame to yourselves! 1.00

01:26:44.000 You should be standing up to those Nazis! 0.99

01:26:47.000 You should regret that these students are hate! 0.99

01:26:51.000 This is hate! 1.00

01:26:53.000 These are fucking assholes! 1.00

01:26:55.000 And this is a joke! 1.00

01:26:57.000 You're attacking the Nazis! 1.00

01:26:59.000 It's a fucking joke! 1.00

01:27:00.000 You are a joke! 1.00

01:27:02.000 You're proud boys! 0.87

01:27:04.000 You're proud boys!

01:27:05.000 And this is a black rock!

01:27:09.000 Do you work for Gavin?

01:27:11.000 You're not protecting the NYU students here!

01:27:14.000 And I'm disgusted!

01:27:16.000 I'm a professor!

01:27:17.000 How dare you! 1.00

01:27:19.000 How dare you fucking assholes! 1.00

01:27:22.000 Protect me, oh Nazis! 1.00

01:27:23.000 Fuck you! 1.00

01:27:25.000 Fuck you! 1.00

01:27:26.000 Fuck you! 1.00

01:27:27.000 These are kids who are trying to learn about humanity! 1.00

01:27:31.000 They're trying to learn about human rights and against racism and xenophobia!

01:27:43.000 Okay, wasn't that at Milo's rally? 1.00

01:27:45.000 Which is hilarious, because he's gay as fuck. 1.00

01:27:47.000 I think this was Gavin's. 1.00

01:27:49.000 Was it Gavin's?

01:27:50.000 Yeah, because you say Proud Boys is Gavin's then.

01:27:51.000 Oh, you're Proud Boys.

01:27:53.000 Oh boy.

01:27:53.000 She might work for his marketing department.

01:27:55.000 She does now.

01:27:55.000 That's like the best branding.

01:27:57.000 She's still going.

01:27:58.000 We shut it off, but she's still going. 1.00

01:28:00.000 I'm a fucking professor! 1.00

01:28:02.000 How dare you? 1.00

01:28:02.000 Someone should make a t-shirt. 1.00

01:28:04.000 From my perspective, too. 1.00

01:28:04.000 It says, I'm a fucking professor, how dare you? 1.00

01:28:07.000 I'm a professor was not what you expected the next line to be. 1.00

01:28:09.000 I'm a fucking professor, how dare you? 0.99

01:28:12.000 So, there's, well, you know, also from my perspective, like, as a libertarian, you just look at that and you're like, wow, what a naked, like, example of, you're just calling the state Calling the authority of the state because you believe this ridiculous micro-aggressive aggression like, you know, world view. 0.99

01:28:25.000 Well, just look at her. 0.99

01:28:27.000 The way she's behaving.

01:28:29.000 That's not a balance.

01:28:31.000 That's not a healthy person.

01:28:32.000 What I was describing with the college professor, I wasn't talking about those people.

01:28:36.000 Like, that's level five disturbed people.

01:28:38.000 Is that top of the food chain?

01:28:39.000 She had like a coral belt in jujitsu? 0.86

01:28:41.000 Yes.

01:28:42.000 That's like, it's not even like, not even black belt. 0.98

01:28:44.000 That's like next, next level.

01:28:46.000 Yeah, you tap out black belt. 1.00

01:28:47.000 It goes coral and then red belt is like Noam Chomsky. 1.00

01:28:52.000 Noam Chomsky's a red belt.

01:28:53.000 Yeah, but Noam Chomsky is actually like an intellectual. 0.92

01:28:55.000 I don't want to lump him in with these maniacs.

01:28:58.000 But he is top of the food chain.

01:28:59.000 He's a top of the food chain left-wing ideologist. 0.99

01:29:01.000 But this is like some Hicks and Gracie shit that these people are on. 1.00

01:29:04.000 Well, she's more retarded. 1.00

01:29:05.000 She's like more of a kung fu person. 1.00

01:29:07.000 She's got ineffective martial arts. 1.00

01:29:09.000 She's got some fake shit. 1.00

01:29:10.000 You're a master of some shit that doesn't even really work for anyone. 1.00

01:29:11.000 Yeah, it doesn't really work. 1.00

01:29:12.000 She's trying to get people with that chi touch. 1.00

01:29:14.000 Gah! 1.00

01:29:14.000 A guy with just an overhand right could probably take you in a fight. 1.00

01:29:18.000 Yeah, I feel like you'd like to see her in an MMA fight with Cyborg. 0.99

01:29:21.000 She actually would believe that she had this chi force.

01:29:24.000 Those are still the most amazing. 1.00

01:29:25.000 I'm a fucking professor! 0.99

01:29:26.000 There's still to me nothing better. 0.99

01:29:27.000 I know you've gone over a bunch on your show before, but there's nothing better to me than someone really believing in a martial art that doesn't work and finding out in a fight that that martial art doesn't work.

01:29:36.000 It was amazing through the early UFCs when it used to happen.

01:29:38.000 You'll find internet videos that have it.

01:29:40.000 The fact that it's still going on in 2016 and 17 has been some of the best videos ever, especially out of China, where they had that one guy had to go into hiding. 0.96

01:29:48.000 He brained some fucking poor slob that thought he knew kung fu. 1.00

01:29:52.000 You know, some dude really thought he was going to cheat-touch this guy, and this Chinese kid who knows MMA, Fuck this guy up and how to go into hiding because so many people are mad at him for Using martial arts techniques that didn't originate in China to sort of denigrate Chinese martial arts man Yeah myth verse reality always interesting. 1.00

01:30:12.000 They are fighting against the exposing of their bullshit nonsensical Fucking tiger claw shit. 0.99

01:30:20.000 And you've got an entire identity associated with this being real. 1.00

01:30:23.000 Meanwhile, the guy who did it is also Chinese.

01:30:26.000 So China is apparently, like Asia in particular, is where a lot of the martial arts techniques that people use today originated, and they were sort of adapted, and they were changed, and they evolved, particularly in In Thailand, they really started understanding how to kick the legs,

01:30:41.000 and they became masters at using the elbows and the knees, more so than...

01:30:45.000 And they did it through competition, which is really quite fascinating.

01:30:48.000 They did it through gambling.

01:30:49.000 And by having these competitions on a regular basis where people were like 9, 10 years old, they start fighting.

01:30:56.000 And they fight.

01:30:57.000 They might have hundreds and hundreds of fights in their career by the time they retire.

01:31:00.000 They developed a real acute understanding of what actually works and what doesn't work.

01:31:05.000 Whereas in these other worlds, they didn't do that.

01:31:08.000 They weren't like this small island that's filled with hedonists that are gambling, kicking each other in the legs and betting on the guy, kicking the guy.

01:31:16.000 That's really what developed that art.

01:31:18.000 But then there's other ones that sort of stayed in this non-evolved state.

01:31:21.000 And then as the material sort of got out to all of the world and people started evolving the techniques, it all...

01:31:29.000 Coalesce together in the Ultimate Fighting Championship, and then we realize, okay, it's a combination of these things, doesn't necessarily always work on every individual, and styles sort of determined interactions, and athletes determine whether or not something is effective or ineffective as much as the technique itself.

01:31:46.000 The athleticism, speed, and power of the practitioner is very important, but all told, these are the things that we think are pretty effective.

01:31:53.000 These are the standard techniques.

01:31:55.000 Yeah, you keep learning new information, but you figure out pretty quickly, like, okay, like, wrestling and, you know, crane kicks are not the same thing. 0.97

01:32:03.000 This guy used Western boxing techniques and Muay Thai and wrestling and jiu-jitsu and just beat the holy fuck out of this poor, I mean, did it like 10 seconds, beat the holy fuck out of this poor kung fu guy, and then he had to go into hiding. 0.99

01:32:16.000 People didn't want to know. 0.98

01:32:18.000 They didn't want to know.

01:32:19.000 This is white power! 1.00

01:32:20.000 White power! 1.00

01:32:21.000 The white power guy goes in there and gets fucking murked by Anthony Joshua. 1.00

01:32:24.000 And they're like, shit! 1.00

01:32:26.000 How is this possible? 1.00

01:32:27.000 Right.

01:32:27.000 Well, of course it happened.

01:32:29.000 Did you not know who you were?

01:32:31.000 Do you not know who he is?

01:32:32.000 You know, you're in denial of this. 0.98

01:32:34.000 And so if they all came after Anthony Joshua because he beat the shit out of the white power boxer, that's exactly what's going on in China. 0.94

01:32:41.000 You can watch it here. 0.95

01:32:42.000 So look at this guy. 1.00

01:32:43.000 This poor fucking dude. 1.00

01:32:44.000 You could just already tell. 1.00

01:32:45.000 He's got some crane technique going on and the kid just fucking starts beating the shit out of him. 0.99

01:32:51.000 Boom! 1.00

01:32:52.000 Boom! 0.99

01:32:53.000 Boom! 0.99

01:32:54.000 Boom! 1.00

01:32:54.000 Just fucking pummeling him unconscious. 1.00

01:32:56.000 Knuckles to the temple. 1.00

01:32:58.000 Literally, it happens all in like 10-15 seconds. 1.00

01:33:00.000 This kid just kicks his shit out of him. 0.99

01:33:02.000 And then after this happens... 0.99

01:33:03.000 And there's a guy who doesn't get hit.

01:33:05.000 Like he's never been hit before.

01:33:06.000 You know what I mean?

01:33:07.000 Yeah, he doesn't get hit at all.

01:33:08.000 He doesn't box.

01:33:09.000 He's not like used to even like being in this situation.

01:33:11.000 But he must have believed that it was gonna work.

01:33:13.000 He must have believed that he was capable of fending off attacks.

01:33:17.000 I'd imagine, and he's doing that crazy shit where they're like trying to, you know, it's like, I don't remember in MMA, what was a guy, I can't remember his name, it was like some really, really Asian name, but the dude who fought Nick Diaz, you called the fight, uh, it was like back, an old Nick Diaz fight before he left the UFC, and the guy tried this crazy technique, he tried like,

01:33:32.000 hands out here, I'm gonna like, block your punches with punches, there was like a short Asian dude. 1.00

01:33:38.000 Maybe Kakuno, I think you're thinking of Tony Ferguson, I think you're thinking of Kakuno.

01:33:43.000 It's 100% a Nick Diaz fight, and you called it.

01:33:46.000 Might have been Nick Diaz, Kakuno.

01:33:47.000 You called it, and I remember you saying during the thing, you were like, you say before the fight, you go, this is really weird.

01:33:52.000 He was doing this stuff before, like, in the Octagon warm-up, and he comes out, like, doing it, and you're like, okay, he's gonna try to fight Nick Diaz with this weird stuff, like, where he's trying to...

01:34:00.000 Whatever it's doing, like, this kind of, like...

01:34:02.000 Like, style of trying to block by, like, hitting their hands with your hands way out?

01:34:07.000 Pull up Nick Diaz's record. 0.92

01:34:10.000 I'm remembering Tony Ferguson fighting this guy who was a bad motherfucker in Pride, and his name was Cocuno, and he used to fight like that. 0.54

01:34:18.000 Pull up Tony Ferguson's record. 0.74

01:34:20.000 See if you can find that video, Tony Ferguson vs.

01:34:23.000 Cocuno.

01:34:25.000 Yeah, it's not.

01:34:26.000 I don't think it's Eddie though.

01:34:27.000 That fight I don't remember.

01:34:29.000 I don't remember Tony Ferguson.

01:34:30.000 He's been around for a while.

01:34:31.000 Tony lit him up. 0.97

01:34:33.000 So what it was was that Kakuno was a guy that had this crazy kick that he would throw to the body and fuck a lot of people up with it. 0.88

01:34:41.000 And it was kind of a hybrid between a front kick and a roundhouse kick. 0.91

01:34:44.000 Like some people would call it a 45. Yeah.

01:34:47.000 Katsunori Kakuno.

01:34:49.000 And he KO'd him.

01:34:50.000 Yeah, I think that's the fight you're thinking of, man.

01:34:53.000 No, I'm telling you...

01:34:54.000 See, I don't think that guy...

01:34:56.000 Pull up Nick Diaz's record.

01:34:57.000 Pull up Nick Diaz.

01:34:57.000 It's a different guy, I think.

01:34:59.000 Yeah.

01:34:59.000 But Kakuno used to fight like this.

01:35:01.000 He used to walk forward like this.

01:35:02.000 It was a similar type of style, but the guy I was talking about was like real short, too.

01:35:07.000 And I mean Nick Diaz just...

01:35:08.000 It was like the worst guy to fight with that style.

01:35:11.000 Because he's got like real crisp boxing.

01:35:12.000 Right.

01:35:13.000 So he just came in, I mean, just lit him up like...

01:35:15.000 Nick's lit a lot of guys up.

01:35:16.000 I think it might have been his last fight in his first run in the UFC. So it's up way before this.

01:35:21.000 No, no, no.

01:35:22.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

01:35:23.000 Down.

01:35:23.000 Down from this.

01:35:24.000 Like before is down.

01:35:25.000 Before?

01:35:26.000 Yeah, it's his first run in the UFC. So it's maybe before the losses?

01:35:32.000 Right there before Diego Sanchez.

01:35:35.000 That's it.

01:35:36.000 Oh, that guy?

01:35:37.000 Koji... 0.79

01:35:38.000 Click on it.

01:35:39.000 Koji Oishi? 0.73

01:35:41.000 No, there's no S there.

01:35:43.000 Yeah, Oishi?

01:35:44.000 Is that how you say it?

01:35:45.000 I think you're right.

01:35:46.000 Koji Oishi.

01:35:47.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:35:48.000 Oh, okay.

01:35:50.000 And Nick Diaz lit this kid up.

01:35:51.000 You know what I remember?

01:35:51.000 I remember saying this kid looks like he's on heroin.

01:35:54.000 Like he walked in almost like in a zombie state as he walked into the octagon.

01:35:59.000 It was really strange.

01:36:01.000 Just click on that right there.

01:36:03.000 No, that's Nate.

01:36:04.000 This is a different...

01:36:05.000 Is it Nate?

01:36:06.000 Yeah, and this was in the UFC. But Nick fought Oishi 2?

01:36:10.000 The vine of it is there.

01:36:11.000 I don't know.

01:36:12.000 I guess they both fought.

01:36:14.000 Yeah, this is the fight I'm talking about.

01:36:15.000 He's like trying to do this open-handed weird thing, and Nick Diaz is just lighting him up.

01:36:25.000 I mean, I'm sure it's on the UFC. See if you can find Tony Ferguson vs.

01:36:29.000 Kakuno.

01:36:30.000 That's a weird one.

01:36:31.000 Because Kakuno had this weird style, almost like you would think of as a guy who knows karate.

01:36:37.000 Like move forward, like standing totally square, not sideways, like moving forward in this weird way.

01:36:44.000 And he would throw this kick.

01:36:45.000 And it wasn't a front kick up the middle.

01:36:47.000 It was like an angled front kick.

01:36:48.000 So he'd hit you with the ball of his foot, but he'd throw it like a roundhouse kick.

01:36:52.000 Which was one of the ways that...

01:36:53.000 They used to do that in the old Taekwondo way, too.

01:36:56.000 They would make impact with the ball of the foot with a roundhouse kick.

01:36:59.000 Like, they would throw a kick.

01:37:00.000 I got a book when I was a kid about Taekwondo techniques.

01:37:03.000 And this one old dude would practice in the park by kicking trees. 0.89

01:37:07.000 And the way he would kick trees is with the ball of his foot.

01:37:10.000 He would throw a roundhouse kick and kick the ball of his foot into the tree.

01:37:14.000 And it was a really funny book because in one of the things where he described all various self-defense techniques, he described what to do if you're ever threatened by someone.

01:37:23.000 And one of the things you should do is kick a tree.

01:37:25.000 So show them, like if you kick a tree, what you could do to them.

01:37:29.000 Which probably isn't actually bad advice.

01:37:32.000 Just break your leg? 0.91

01:37:33.000 No, just kick a tree. 0.95

01:37:34.000 No, but I'm saying like if you're not used to kicking trees.

01:37:36.000 See if you can back that up.

01:37:39.000 See if you can back it up, but that's...

01:37:40.000 It's only a 10 second video.

01:37:42.000 Oh, okay.

01:37:43.000 Kukuno was, uh...

01:37:45.000 This is also another one of those guys where, let that play out, that little video you were just showing.

01:37:51.000 He was one of those guys that was in a shit ton of fights.

01:37:56.000 See, that was back when he was competing in karate.

01:37:59.000 I think that's Kyokushin.

01:38:12.000 Okay. 0.95

01:38:23.000 And you gotta think, by the time these guys got to the UFC, they had been brained so many fucking times, especially fighting in Pride and K1. Oh, yeah. 0.97

01:38:32.000 Holy shit! 1.00

01:38:32.000 Boom! 1.00

01:38:34.000 Front kick to the body, right hand. 0.85

01:38:36.000 That's a wrap. 1.00

01:38:37.000 Oh, this dude is fucked. 1.00

01:38:38.000 Check this out again, man. 1.00

01:38:40.000 Watch how you do this.

01:38:42.000 It was a different fight.

01:38:42.000 Oh, it was a different fight?

01:38:43.000 Yeah.

01:38:44.000 Oh.

01:38:46.000 Is it a tournament?

01:38:48.000 Probably, which is really crazy that these guys would do this more than one time of the day.

01:38:52.000 But that was what they did in Pride a lot.

01:38:54.000 Oh, he just threw him off the top of the mat.

01:38:56.000 In Pride, they would fight several times a day.

01:38:58.000 In the early UFCs as well.

01:39:00.000 And then, like, eventually, I think they started realizing, like, a lot of guys get injured doing this. 0.94

01:39:04.000 The craziest idea is, like, that stupid movie Warrior, when they fought more than one time in a week. 0.97

01:39:09.000 Like, they fought once and they fought again the next day. 0.99

01:39:12.000 That's gotta be weird. 0.99

01:39:12.000 Worse than the same day probably because you're like you got all the soreness that like comes in two days later Your fucking face is all swollen. 0.99

01:39:18.000 You can't see you have to have sunglasses everywhere You definitely can't take a punch like the whole idea is so stupid and they don't do that I mean maybe they've done that a couple of times throughout history But that's not a standard thing in this movie warrior. 0.99

01:39:30.000 They just added their own Hollywood jizz to the soup like let me just change it You're gonna fight. 0.97

01:39:35.000 He's gonna fight his brother in the next day.

01:39:37.000 I'm brilliant. 0.99

01:39:39.000 I'm gonna grab my balls That's what they did. 1.00

01:39:41.000 They added their own stupidity. 1.00

01:39:43.000 It just didn't even make any sense. 1.00

01:39:45.000 And it was totally unnecessary.

01:39:49.000 You're changing what martial arts are just to fit your narrative, because you're not a good writer.

01:39:54.000 If you were a good writer, you would write about how it actually happens, and you'd make a story about how it actually happens.

01:40:01.000 You wouldn't create some fake thing that you can do, like fight wars.

01:40:06.000 Yeah.

01:40:06.000 Several times in a day, twice, two days in a row.

01:40:09.000 You'd be fucking meat. 0.99

01:40:11.000 Well, it's like, just give them, like, superpowers at this point. 1.00

01:40:13.000 Just give them, like, Hadouken's and stuff.

01:40:15.000 Go back to Jean-Claude Van Damme movies.

01:40:16.000 You've got to decide what you are. 0.98

01:40:18.000 Are you an excellent dramatic movie with Nick Nolte and Tom, what the fuck's his name? 0.98

01:40:23.000 Who's the other guy? 1.00

01:40:24.000 The fuck's his name? 1.00

01:40:25.000 No, no, no. 1.00

01:40:26.000 How dare you?

01:40:27.000 The young guy who's Bane.

01:40:29.000 Oh, Tom Hardy.

01:40:30.000 Tom Hardy. 0.99

01:40:30.000 That motherfucker is amazing, right? 0.99

01:40:32.000 It's him and Nick Nolte. 1.00

01:40:33.000 I mean, they're amazing. 0.99

01:40:34.000 But yet they put in this stupid plot idea where they have to fight in two days. 0.99

01:40:38.000 Like, come on. 1.00

01:40:39.000 Just come on.

01:40:40.000 It's like, it's annoying because it's like you're making this world real. 0.98

01:40:43.000 And then you're doing something that's like just utterly ridiculous. 0.90

01:40:46.000 And it's my world. 0.95

01:40:46.000 It's a world where I work. 0.95

01:40:47.000 You're a little offended by like...

01:40:48.000 I'm super offended.

01:40:50.000 And it makes it impossible for someone like you to enjoy.

01:40:53.000 Because it's like if anyone who knows fighting can enjoy.

01:40:55.000 Which, by the way, I will say, and I do, even when we talk about old school UFC, there's something about that, like, I'm nostalgic for it.

01:41:00.000 I know you can't have it now, it has to be the sport it is now, and it's evolved way past there.

01:41:04.000 But there was just something so cool about the old UFC, and there was something about the Conor versus Floyd fight that almost gave you that feeling again of like these two guys from different worlds going in there and like how does this like how does a guy who's doing MMA striking and fucking doing like Capoeira stuff on the side how does he go in there and box and then it turned out Connor actually was just like oh no you gotta box can't do any of that stuff you get destroyed so he just went out there and boxed but it was an interesting like I came out of it I was arguing with a lot of friends of mine who are like big boxing

01:41:34.000 fans and nothing against you guys.

01:41:36.000 God bless boxing.

01:41:37.000 I'm not like as big a fan as I used to be.

01:41:40.000 I'm a huge MMA fan.

01:41:41.000 But I just can't...

01:41:42.000 Like when you look at MMA the way you look at MMA is like the sport of fighting and the original thing was always figuring out who's better at fighting and how he does.

01:41:50.000 It was just hard for me to not look at the fight.

01:41:53.000 With Connor and Floyd and go like, you know, it's like when there was the first clinch, Louis J. Gomez said this to me, is the first clinch of the fight.

01:42:02.000 He goes, well, that's where Connor would destroy him.

01:42:04.000 And then you just sit there watching ten rounds of a referee saving Floyd Mayweather's life.

01:42:10.000 Like, every few seconds, the referee comes in and goes, oh, let me save your life.

01:42:14.000 Oh, let me save your life.

01:42:15.000 I know you're the greatest ever at this, but you need, even under your rules with your gloves and your this, you need a ref to keep coming in and saving your life every few seconds.

01:42:23.000 And you'd see it, like, every time they clinched, like, Conor would immediately, almost just instinctually, just, like, kind of take his back.

01:42:29.000 And like step over here.

01:42:31.000 Because right here is where I can hit you and you can't hit me.

01:42:33.000 And Floyd would just cover up and bend over.

01:42:35.000 Like literally bend over.

01:42:36.000 Guy, come save my life, buddy.

01:42:38.000 And it's just hard to not watch that and go, oh. 0.94

01:42:40.000 If he wanted to, he would jump on his back and choke him to death.

01:42:43.000 And even in your sport, he went ten rounds.

01:42:48.000 And okay, I know what Mayweather did was brilliant, and he dragged him in, he played it safe and perfectly, but it wasn't a part of the plan to eat that uppercut on the chin.

01:42:55.000 That definitely wasn't a part of the plan.

01:42:57.000 And also, I think there's, boxers punch a lot harder than MMA guys do, and there's truth to that too, so Conor's power didn't translate in the way that MMA fans thought it would.

01:43:06.000 Well, he's just not quite as fluid, and also I think he was probably very nervous.

01:43:11.000 I mean, he's fighting literally the greatest fighter of all time in his first professional boxing match.

01:43:17.000 It's insane!

01:43:17.000 It's so crazy, and yet he still got it through the 10th round.

01:43:20.000 This is what I said.

01:43:21.000 I said, I gave Conor a very small chance of winning a boxing match.

01:43:26.000 Very small. 0.97

01:43:27.000 So I thought it was like 94% that Floyd would beat the shit out of Conor the way he did. 0.92

01:43:32.000 And that Conor would eventually get tired. 0.74

01:43:34.000 The guy who did the best assessment of it, in my opinion, was John Donaher.

01:43:39.000 John Donaher, who's a brilliant jiu-jitsu coach, also a brilliant MMA coach, has got a deep understanding of it.

01:43:44.000 He basically spelled out exactly what's going to happen because of all the times he's seen of boxers sparring with elite martial artists that the mixed martial artist does well for a few rounds because it takes a while for the boxer to figure out the timing.

01:43:56.000 And then the efficiency and fluidity of the boxer starts to take over the ring generalship, the understanding of this one isolated particular discipline, and then they dominate. 0.94

01:44:05.000 And that's exactly what happened to a T. What I said is I think there's a 94% chance that Floyd Mayweather just boxes the shit out of Conor McGregor.

01:44:14.000 There is a 4% chance that Conor catches him with an uppercut like he did in the first round and actually stuns him and hurts him.

01:44:21.000 And then swarms on him and takes him out.

01:44:23.000 Conor has got...

01:44:24.000 Ferocious power.

01:44:25.000 It's whether or not he executed that power like he has in MMA, whether he felt he could drain his gas tank like that, especially with two months worth of training.

01:44:32.000 Not enough.

01:44:33.000 Not enough to get in shape for a 12-round boxing match against the greatest of all time. 0.99

01:44:37.000 But there was a 100% chance that Conor nukes him in a fucking MMA fight. 0.99

01:44:44.000 Nukes him. 1.00

01:44:45.000 Literally 100%. 1.00

01:44:47.000 Because Floyd's not going to knock him out with one punch, and Conor could kick his fucking legs out from under him before he got even close enough to punch him, and if they did get to a clinch, which they absolutely would, Conor would ragdoll him to the ground and beat his fucking brains in before he strangled him. 0.99

01:45:01.000 100%. 0.98

01:45:01.000 Like 100%, even if you just, look, if you just take out even grappling, I agree with you that Connor's a master of range and he's got excellent kicks. 0.98

01:45:09.000 He can kick the shit out of him and stay out of the area where he's, you know, just stay out of his punching range and kick him in the legs and the body. 1.00

01:45:15.000 Well, even if he can clinch, if you don't break him up when he clinches and he can throw knees to the body, you're fucked. 1.00

01:45:20.000 You're fucked. 1.00

01:45:20.000 And elbows to the head, he's gonna tie you up at the back of the head and smash you? 1.00

01:45:24.000 Has that ever happened? 0.98

01:45:25.000 No, you don't know what the fuck to do when a guy's doing that. 0.91

01:45:28.000 You don't know how to deal with those knees to the face like when Anderson Silva fucked up Rich Franklin to win the title, when he just plumbed the back of his head and just started smashing knees in his face, and he was clear that Rich really didn't know, he didn't have an answer to that. 0.96

01:45:39.000 Which was an amazing thing because that was one of those moments like everyone in the MMA world thought Rich was the best.

01:45:44.000 Or not MMA world, everyone in the UFC world kind of thought Rich Franklin was the best.

01:45:48.000 But I mean, that's why I correct myself, because people who knew the MMA scene better and Pride and that stuff knew what Anderson Silva was.

01:45:54.000 But like the average fan of the UFC had just been, we hadn't really seen Anderson Silva.

01:45:59.000 I hadn't seen one or two tapes of him on Pride.

01:46:02.000 And I saw him like, maybe not Pride, I saw him the one where he got ankle locked real quick.

01:46:06.000 Mm-hmm.

01:46:06.000 So I didn't really know how good Anderson Silva was.

01:46:09.000 I'd seen him beat Carlos Newton, and that was like all I had on him.

01:46:11.000 So I was like, eh, Rich Franklin will probably take this guy.

01:46:13.000 Well, the thing wasn't the Pride fights.

01:46:16.000 The thing was when he got out of Pride, and then fighting in Cage Wars.

01:46:20.000 Or Cage Warrior? 0.96

01:46:21.000 What the fuck was that English? 0.97

01:46:22.000 I remember the one you're talking about. 0.99

01:46:24.000 Cage Rage?

01:46:25.000 No.

01:46:25.000 Is that it?

01:46:25.000 It's an English organization.

01:46:27.000 God damn it. 0.99

01:46:28.000 I want to say Cage Wars, but it's not that. 0.99

01:46:30.000 Cage Warrior?

01:46:31.000 Hmm. 0.99

01:46:32.000 What the fuck do they call it? 0.99

01:46:33.000 Anyway, he went over there and just started nuking people. 0.99

01:46:36.000 So, like, I hadn't seen any of that.

01:46:37.000 I hadn't seen any of that, and I guess most UFC fans hadn't seen that either, and they saw Rich Franklin as the champ, had beat up a bunch of guys.

01:46:44.000 The odds were actually in Anderson's favor, though.

01:46:47.000 Oh, were they?

01:46:48.000 Yeah, it was one of the weird ones. 0.99

01:46:50.000 Where the oddsmakers, when he fought Chris Lieben, he was a slight favorite in his first UFC fight, and I was like, get ready for some crazy shit, because this motherfucker's on a totally different level. 0.99

01:47:00.000 I'm like, I knew him. 0.98

01:47:01.000 I'd seen him fight Jorge Rivera and Lee Murray.

01:47:04.000 I saw him hit Tony Ferguson with a step-in uppercut elbow that he had practiced on a pillow at home.

01:47:10.000 He made his wife hold a pillow and practiced this technique because he wanted to use it in his fights and his coaches wouldn't hold the pads for him because they thought it was ridiculous. 0.97

01:47:17.000 And they said, is this true?

01:47:18.000 I think I remember hearing this, but I think it was in between rounds.

01:47:21.000 He said to one of his coaches, he goes, I think it's open.

01:47:23.000 I think it's there. 1.00

01:47:23.000 And they were like, forget about this stupid technique, damn it! 1.00

01:47:25.000 It's not going to be there! 1.00

01:47:26.000 I don't know if that's the case.

01:47:28.000 I might be wrong about that. 0.90

01:47:28.000 He had fucked up Tony Ferguson before that. 0.90

01:47:30.000 The reason why I was able to get that off is because he... 0.95

01:47:32.000 It wasn't Tony Ferguson, excuse me.

01:47:34.000 Tony Fricklin.

01:47:36.000 Tony Fricklin is who he fought.

01:47:37.000 Sorry.

01:47:37.000 My apologies, Tony Ferguson.

01:47:39.000 He fought Tony Fricklin and he hit him with a standing, stepping in, uppercut with the elbow.

01:47:45.000 And he was just like another level, maybe three, four, five levels above Fricklin at the time.

01:47:51.000 And Fricklin was a real veteran.

01:47:53.000 Fricklin was in one of the first UFCs that I ever worked in 1997. He was there.

01:48:00.000 And so that was like his debut in the UFC. I was there when he had his debut.

01:48:05.000 So Anderson was just lighting him on fire before he decided to step in and uppercut him.

01:48:09.000 But I just knew he was on just such a different level. 0.98

01:48:12.000 But that was a really important learning moment for MMA because people knew like, okay, if you get in a fight and a guy is a more Thai practitioner on the level of Anderson Silva, you better learn how to deal with this goddamn clinch. 0.95

01:48:26.000 So here's Anderson versus Tony Fricklin. 0.75

01:48:29.000 And this is Anderson, in my opinion, maybe his prime ever.

01:48:33.000 Because he hadn't taken on all the damage and all the crazy fights that he had in the UFC. And by the time he got to Chris Weidman, I mean, he was in his 30s, he was getting older, his body was starting to not perform the way it used to, and then, obviously...

01:48:49.000 He fucked up and stood in front of Weidman and got left hooked in the head while he was clowning him. 0.96

01:48:53.000 And then it's a lot tougher to come back when you're 40 now and have taken these losses. 1.00

01:48:57.000 But his Muay Thai back then was so fucking tight. 0.91

01:48:59.000 And it was just so levels above what everyone else was doing. 0.96

01:49:02.000 Oh, yeah.

01:49:03.000 They just didn't belong in there with him.

01:49:05.000 Like, look how he's moving around, just sort of like feeling out Tony, trying to find out what Tony's capable of, trying to decide when to move.

01:49:12.000 I mean, he really is like a spider.

01:49:14.000 Because he's setting up the web, and he's moving around, and eventually he's gonna sting you, and you know it's coming, and you know by the time you're moving at him, look at that, boom, one, two, he starts kicking you, and now he's coming after you. 1.00

01:49:26.000 Oh shit, bitch. 1.00

01:49:27.000 Now you know there's a big difference between the two of you. 1.00

01:49:30.000 And it just feels like, like, even if you don't know anything about fighting, you just know there's levels here.

01:49:34.000 Yeah.

01:49:34.000 Like, you can just see it.

01:49:36.000 Everything he does in this fight is like fucking picture-perfect. 0.99

01:49:39.000 He steps in. 0.99

01:49:40.000 Look at this beautiful tie clinch.

01:49:43.000 His control of the neck and head was spectacular.

01:49:46.000 Look at that.

01:49:47.000 Boom! 0.99

01:49:47.000 And he's bigger than all these guys. 0.99

01:49:49.000 Stronger than them.

01:49:49.000 Look at these knees to the body, man.

01:49:52.000 And Fricklin is fucking throwing down, man. 0.99

01:49:54.000 He's doing his best. 0.99

01:49:55.000 He was a warrior.

01:49:56.000 But you'd see it when he went up and fought at 205 and he'd be in the clinch with Bonner and Forrest Griffith.

01:50:01.000 These guys couldn't do anything to him.

01:50:03.000 So these guys are just... 0.99

01:50:05.000 He's already fucked here, because he's eaten a bunch of really hard shots of the body. 0.99

01:50:08.000 And even though he's moving okay, he's like really compromised. 0.99

01:50:11.000 Look at that beautiful right hook and then left kick, left low kick.

01:50:15.000 And Anderson fought a lot from the southpaw stance.

01:50:18.000 He could fight from any position he wanted to, but he fought a lot from the southpaw stance, which is also an advantage to a lot of people.

01:50:23.000 It's amazing how much MMA guys make it look like...

01:50:25.000 Boom! 0.99

01:50:26.000 There it is, son!

01:50:29.000 I mean, literally, his arm's gone limp.

01:50:32.000 I mean, watch this.

01:50:34.000 Boom.

01:50:35.000 Wow, dude.

01:50:36.000 Boom.

01:50:36.000 That is nuts.

01:50:38.000 It's nuts.

01:50:39.000 Just the way he moves.

01:50:41.000 Watch him step in here, though, man.

01:50:43.000 It's so crazy.

01:50:44.000 Watch this.

01:50:45.000 Boom! 0.99

01:50:47.000 Step in, uppercut, elbow, first time ever in MMA. Yeah.

01:50:53.000 That was Anderson in his prime.

01:50:54.000 And it was one of those moments where, particularly you have, I've had a lot in watching MMA where when someone comes in and beats someone else at their strength, and then you have to reorganize your mind where you're like, oh, I thought that guy was like, I thought Franklin was a knockout artist.

01:51:09.000 This guy's got really great hands.

01:51:11.000 He's a really good striker.

01:51:12.000 And then a guy like that lets you know, oh, there's another world.

01:51:16.000 Well you know it's like you got these guys like the Chinese Kung Fu guy and then you have all these different levels these like steps along the way in the spectrum and then you've got like Muay Thai of Anderson but then you got like Muay Thai of Sanchai in Thailand it's like several levels past Anderson and Bua Cao and Rob Deck- Ramon Decker's and Rob Kamen and the greats you know Ernesto Hoos these guys are like even further past that you know there's all these crazy crazy crazy levels to this thing And,

01:51:46.000 you know, when you see a guy like Anderson, you see, just like for the first time, it was in the UFC, where you have like legitimate world-class, maybe not the best ever in Muay Thai, but legitimate world-class Muay Thai skills.

01:51:58.000 Watching him fight, that's like a professional Muay Thai fighter.

01:52:00.000 And it seems to me like, for whatever reason, I think because on its own it works better in a real fight, so the grappling stuff in MMA, like, pretty quickly we got very high-level grapplers.

01:52:13.000 Pretty quickly.

01:52:14.000 Like, I mean, from the first UFC, you've got the best jiu-jitsu guys at the time, or at least a representative of the Gracies. 1.00

01:52:20.000 And then, uh...

01:52:22.000 You know, you got Olympic-level wrestlers in there pretty quickly.

01:52:25.000 Like, I mean, it wasn't too long before, like, Dan Severin and Mark Coleman and guys like that who had, like, legit wrestling credits came in.

01:52:32.000 But it took a long time before you got, like, really, really high-level strikers.

01:52:38.000 Well, you got Maurice Smith.

01:52:39.000 That's right, Maurice Smith was the guy.

01:52:41.000 He was the first.

01:52:41.000 He was really the first.

01:52:42.000 He was the first, yeah.

01:52:43.000 Go back to that fight again.

01:52:45.000 Here's something that's interesting to point out.

01:52:47.000 I guess Bas Rutten was one of the early guys too, right?

01:52:48.000 Bas Rutten was after Maurice.

01:52:50.000 There weren't too many besides that. 0.98

01:52:52.000 Those guys were a few who actually, because it took so much to learn all the other shit. 0.94

01:52:57.000 Right, but the difference between Bas and Maurice was that Maurice was more of a tactician and Bas was a destroyer. 0.98

01:53:02.000 He was like an intelligent animal.

01:53:04.000 He would just attack vicious, ferocious striking.

01:53:09.000 But real aggressive, but also very technical as well.

01:53:12.000 Whereas Maurice is much more clever, leg kick dependent.

01:53:16.000 Maurice was actually on a higher level in terms of professional kickboxing than Bas.

01:53:20.000 Bas didn't have a lot of kickboxing fights.

01:53:22.000 Maurice was a world champion. 0.94

01:53:24.000 But Boss had that Holland style and as an MMA fighter, he was like one of the first guys we ever saw that could kick so fucking hard.

01:53:31.000 But if you watch this fight, what you learn is like what Conor McGregor figured out.

01:53:36.000 What Conor McGregor figured out is that what holds a lot of these guys back is movement.

01:53:40.000 And so if you look at Tony Fricklin as he's moving towards Anderson, his movement, he's very limited.

01:53:45.000 Like he can't cover distance quick enough.

01:53:47.000 He has to make these little hop steps, hop steps.

01:53:49.000 He can't just slide in and blast things.

01:53:52.000 Conor is fluid with his movement in and out to the point where he can step forward, and obviously wouldn't be able to do that with Anderson Silva, but he can step forward and step in and step out.

01:54:03.000 Like when he fought Jose Aldo, one of the most important parts of that fight was that Aldo was trying to figure out the movement of Conor.

01:54:11.000 Go to that fight, Jose Aldo versus Conor McGregor, and what Conor was doing so good was sliding forward and sliding back.

01:54:20.000 There's like that one moment, because it's a very short fight, but there's the one moment where he like feints a thing and jumps back.

01:54:24.000 Right here.

01:54:25.000 See how he pops?

01:54:28.000 But look how like...

01:54:29.000 He's in and out.

01:54:30.000 He's moving a lot.

01:54:32.000 And it's a different thing.

01:54:34.000 Boom! 1.00

01:54:34.000 Slides back and drops the fucking left hammer on his chin. 1.00

01:54:37.000 And it's that movement that's so critical in a really high level. 0.99

01:54:41.000 Look how fluid he slides back.

01:54:44.000 Launches that punch at the same time.

01:54:45.000 It's very interesting to me too because it was a different intensity in his movement than like when he fought other guys like Chad Mendez another because he respected what Aldo throws like Aldo throws heat and especially in that first round when Aldo's furious at you for disrespecting him like he knows he's coming with like a bomb But yeah,

01:55:02.000 just but it's superior movement. 0.91

01:55:04.000 It's also new unorthodox movement boom I mean, in a lot of ways, they've been doing that shit in karate tournaments forever. 0.98

01:55:12.000 Right. 0.97

01:55:13.000 But people hadn't figured it out in MMA yet.

01:55:15.000 I mean, if you look at a lot of what Conor had done with his stance and his movement, a lot of it resembles what you see in the karate point tournaments, where they would leap in and drop a shot on you and leap out.

01:55:25.000 But they weren't fighting stationary people like Aldo that just charged forward.

01:55:29.000 But Aldo got used to fighting in that manner.

01:55:32.000 Fighting Muay Thai guys and that kind of MMA look.

01:55:35.000 It's a completely different look.

01:55:35.000 Yeah, the MMA look, the wrestling look.

01:55:36.000 You know what's really fascinating to me just on this kind of evolution was...

01:55:40.000 God, what's his name?

01:55:42.000 Cejudo? 0.99

01:55:43.000 The guy who fucked Demetrius Johnson? 0.99

01:55:45.000 Henry Cejudo. 0.99

01:55:46.000 Who just...

01:55:46.000 I don't know...

01:55:46.000 Who fights like him now.

01:55:47.000 He's fighting like Conor.

01:55:48.000 Now all of a sudden he adopted this style. 0.98

01:55:49.000 And you're like, holy shit, this style gives people real problems in MMA. And it's like, I mean, maybe I'm wrong about this, but it reminds me a little bit of almost like Machida type thing. 0.88

01:55:59.000 You're not wrong at all.

01:56:00.000 It's this weird karate kind of thing. 0.99

01:56:04.000 It's like this weird evolution, like once you have all the other shit. 0.94

01:56:07.000 And what Conor does is he's also got really good traditional boxing. 0.96

01:56:10.000 A lot of MMA guys couldn't do 10 rounds with Mayweather. 0.97

01:56:15.000 He's also got boxing, so he can kind of mix it up With, like, traditional boxing attacks and this crazy other shit.

01:56:21.000 So what's crazy about him is he'll be, like, throwing, like, these crazy spinning, like, cartwheel kicks, and then he'll just have, like, a one-two that was, like, perfect.

01:56:30.000 Which, that's new to MMA. We haven't seen a lot of that in the past.

01:56:33.000 And, you know, it's...

01:56:35.000 Those kicks are longer, too.

01:56:37.000 You're dealing with something that reaches much further than the traditional Muay Thai techniques or straight boxing techniques.

01:56:43.000 He's throwing sidekicks.

01:56:44.000 His head is so far away from you.

01:56:46.000 When he's throwing a sidekick, if he's touching you in the chest of the sidekick, there's no opportunity for you to counterpunch.

01:56:52.000 He's way over there.

01:56:53.000 He's bent sideways.

01:56:54.000 His head is way out of reach.

01:56:55.000 You might be able to catch him with a kick if he comes forward after he drops the sidekick if you're in range.

01:57:01.000 But you might get pushed back.

01:57:02.000 There's a lot of factors involved in fighting a guy who fights like that.

01:57:05.000 And Cejudo's figured that out.

01:57:07.000 And then he just dropped some bombs on Wilson Hayes.

01:57:10.000 Which is, you know, I mean, obviously, like, you know, Demetrius Johnson is like head and shoulders above everybody else.

01:57:16.000 And he made quick work of him.

01:57:17.000 Yeah.

01:57:17.000 But that was like at least to me like a little like glimpse of like oh well maybe if this guy is this good a grappler and is figuring striking out like this maybe he's the guy who could you know like be a good a good contender.

01:57:28.000 It may may happen very well I mean he might challenge him one day but what Henry Cejudo represents is like extreme talent a real sponge for knowledge and information and he's got a guy that's in his division that's the king that's in my opinion the greatest martial artist of all time.

01:57:43.000 I don't think there's anybody that's been a better representation of what's possible in modern martial arts better than Mighty Mouse.

01:57:50.000 Because he just doesn't get hit, and he fucks everybody up, and you can't hit him, man. 0.97

01:57:53.000 He's coming at you, and then all of a sudden he's over here, and then you got a knee in your body, and then you got punched in the face, and you're trying to figure out what the fuck's happening. 0.98

01:57:59.000 All of a sudden you're on your back, and he's dropping hammer fists on you, and by the time you're reacting to that, he's got you in an armbar. 0.98

01:58:05.000 You're like, what the fuck just happened to me? 0.95

01:58:06.000 Yeah, it's hard to argue with that. 1.00

01:58:08.000 He just got steamrolled.

01:58:08.000 He fights like he's a specialist at every discipline.

01:58:11.000 Yeah.

01:58:11.000 Like, he's like...

01:58:13.000 You feel like he could beat all the specialists at their discipline in MMA. He might be able to.

01:58:17.000 It's like what George St. Pierre used to kind of do.

01:58:19.000 But yeah, I do think in modern MMA and more dominant, not going to decisions, destroying everybody.

01:58:25.000 He's about to break the record.

01:58:27.000 Hard to argue with.

01:58:28.000 About to.

01:58:29.000 You know, who knows?

01:58:30.000 Ray Boyd's still a tough customer.

01:58:31.000 You're right.

01:58:31.000 I shouldn't grant him a victory.

01:58:32.000 Like when Weidman knocked out Anderson Silva.

01:58:34.000 Nobody saw that coming.

01:58:35.000 This is a crazy sport.

01:58:36.000 Oh, it is a crazy sport, and it seems like nobody can escape it.

01:58:41.000 It takes the toughest, most invincible person you can think of.

01:58:46.000 Anderson Silva was a ninja, an untouchable ninja, and then you see him crying in the center of the ring with a shattered, not shattered, but whatever, a split-up shinboat.

01:58:55.000 It's Chuck Liddell, all these guys.

01:58:58.000 We saw Junior Dos Santos drop a bomb on Cain Velasquez, and Cain collapsed.

01:59:02.000 You're like, wow, even Cain can get KO'd.

01:59:04.000 And then Junior Dos Santos.

01:59:05.000 Who at that point, then I was like, well, after that you're like, I guess we're living in Junior Dos Santos' world.

01:59:10.000 I mean, this guy's destroyed everyone.

01:59:11.000 And then to watch him get oof.

01:59:13.000 He got nuked by Kane in the rematch. 0.95

01:59:15.000 Kane just came back and beat the fuck out of him.

01:59:17.000 But Kane in the first fight really probably shouldn't have been fighting, but it was the first big fight on Fox. 0.99

01:59:22.000 And he had a fucked up knee, man. 0.98

01:59:23.000 He couldn't move right. 0.99

01:59:24.000 And he just couldn't get out of the way.

01:59:26.000 His only two losses were when he was coming off an injury.

01:59:28.000 I believe he was coming off an injury against Fabrizio Verdum as well.

01:59:32.000 Well, he was always coming off injuries by that time.

01:59:34.000 That is a problem.

01:59:35.000 But the real problem with the Fabricio Verdun fight was that he didn't prepare in Mexico City.

01:59:38.000 Because Mexico City is at 7,500 feet above sea level, which is where I was in Utah last week.

01:59:44.000 I couldn't imagine, if you didn't train there, that you could be adapted to it the way Fabricio was.

01:59:50.000 Because Fabricio is smart.

01:59:51.000 He was there for like, I think a couple months.

01:59:54.000 At sea level, training, doing his entire camp in Mexico, like way, even above 7,500.

02:00:01.000 I think he got up to the 8,000s.

02:00:03.000 It seemed, in the fight, like that made a big difference.

02:00:07.000 Pretty hard to argue because Kane is known as being the cardio king.

02:00:11.000 Fabricio, no, knock on his cardio, but that's not what he's known for.

02:00:14.000 He's not known for being like the cardio.

02:00:15.000 And to see him outlast him, it was like, oh yeah.

02:00:18.000 It's almost like Kane had so much confidence in his cardio, because this is what he's been known for since before he got in the UFC. He's got this unbelievable tank that he was like, no, I'll be fine with that.

02:00:28.000 And it didn't work out okay.

02:00:30.000 But I'll say, and I know he's an injury case, but the Kane Velasquez that showed up to UFC 200 that fought Travis Brown, I don't see any heavyweight beating that guy.

02:00:40.000 Well, I don't know.

02:00:41.000 Fabricio beat him.

02:00:42.000 I mean, I don't know if he would be able to beat him again.

02:00:44.000 But see, the thing is, Fabricio, his striking improved radically.

02:00:47.000 And he's got long reach.

02:00:49.000 He's a big, tall guy. 1.00

02:00:50.000 And he's strong as fuck. 1.00

02:00:51.000 And if you take him down, good goddamn luck. 1.00

02:00:54.000 And that's what everybody found. 0.97

02:00:55.000 If there's another argument for anybody being the greatest heavyweight of all time besides Kane, it's Fabricio.

02:01:00.000 And Fabricio might have a better argument.

02:01:02.000 Because Fabricio submitted all the greats.

02:01:05.000 He submitted Fedor Emelianenko, submitted Minotaur Noguera, submitted Cain Velasquez. 0.98

02:01:10.000 I mean, Fabricio submitted fucking everybody. 0.95

02:01:13.000 He's got some amazing wins. 0.97

02:01:14.000 Amazing wins, yeah.

02:01:15.000 If he didn't get KO'd by Stipe and fighting out of composure.

02:01:18.000 He was fighting very emotionally.

02:01:20.000 That was crazy.

02:01:21.000 Chasing Stipe.

02:01:22.000 I mean, just got wild.

02:01:23.000 He was in Brazil. 0.99

02:01:24.000 He wanted to fucking get after it. 0.99

02:01:25.000 You know, he was pumped up. 0.99

02:01:26.000 They're in Brazil.

02:01:27.000 He's the heavyweight champ.

02:01:28.000 He's fired up. 0.99

02:01:29.000 But I think he might have underestimated what a bad motherfucker Stipe Miocic is. 0.97

02:01:34.000 And how the Stipe could do the same thing Conor did. 0.98

02:01:36.000 Slide away and drop that right hand. 0.99

02:01:38.000 Like, Stipe's a fucking elite athlete. 1.00

02:01:40.000 Stipe's a monster. 1.00

02:01:41.000 He's a monster. 0.98

02:01:42.000 I think I slept on him a little bit too much for a long time. 0.99

02:01:46.000 But no, you see it in, you know, he's proved it.

02:01:48.000 Like in his last few fights.

02:01:49.000 But I was blown away by how reckless Fabrizio fought him.

02:01:53.000 I mean, he just charged him.

02:01:55.000 Like straight on charged him.

02:01:56.000 That's a dangerous way to fight any MMA fighter.

02:01:59.000 Yeah, he made a mistake.

02:02:00.000 He made a mistake and I think he made that mistake because he got caught before that.

02:02:04.000 I think he got clipped before that and he got emotional because he got clipped and he tried to just like really ramp it up and overcompensate.

02:02:10.000 Like if you watch that fight, before Stipe knocks him out, he catches him a couple times.

02:02:15.000 Stipe's a sharp boxer.

02:02:17.000 Very, very sharp hands, and he catches you on the chin.

02:02:19.000 Whoo, he could put people away.

02:02:21.000 Obviously, he's putting everybody away now.

02:02:23.000 Put away Aleister Overeem, arguably the greatest striker who ever fought in MMA. You know, K-1 Grand Prix champion, Strikeforce champion, Dream champion.

02:02:31.000 Got dropped and got right back up and knocked him out.

02:02:33.000 That's pretty impressive. 1.00

02:02:35.000 It's a fucking animal, yeah. 1.00

02:02:36.000 And when I was talking to him after the fight, he thought he got kicked. 1.00

02:02:39.000 He didn't even remember he got punched. 0.98

02:02:41.000 He was like, I don't know what the fuck happened. 0.98

02:02:43.000 He wasn't sure. 0.99

02:02:44.000 He was like, all I know is I won.

02:02:47.000 Yeah, well, both of them thought they won.

02:02:50.000 He's at the highest level so far.

02:02:52.000 You know, Stipe in his athleticism, his ability to move, his ability to overcome obstacles. 0.58

02:02:56.000 Like, Junior had kicked the shit out of his leg to the point where he had this giant hematoma on his shin. 0.66

02:03:01.000 He still knocked him out.

02:03:02.000 Yeah, that was a very interesting fight.

02:03:05.000 I mean, it was super quick, but it was like a lot of action super quick.

02:03:08.000 No, I'd love to see a healthy Kane come back and fight Stipe. 0.99

02:03:12.000 Yeah, I don't know what the extent of his injuries are and why he's been sidelined so long.

02:03:16.000 I mean, you'd have to talk to him personally.

02:03:18.000 But what I'm hoping is that...

02:03:19.000 I know a lot of it was back issues and shoulder issues.

02:03:22.000 He had shoulder surgery, knee surgery, back surgery.

02:03:25.000 I mean, he had several surgeries.

02:03:26.000 It's just that style is so aggressive and so physically dependent. 0.90

02:03:30.000 I mean, he's just so fucking overwhelming that a lot of it is like mental toughness. 0.88

02:03:35.000 The mental toughness to push past everybody. 0.95

02:03:38.000 Sometimes your body just can't keep up.

02:03:40.000 Right.

02:03:40.000 And so, like, in general, probably every high-level MMA, UFC fighter at this point, I mean, what they're doing to their body, what they're putting their body through is, It's like really pushing yourself to the absolute limit constantly.

02:03:54.000 Then, as you mentioned, his style is particularly physical.

02:03:59.000 And he comes from a camp that's notoriously a very, very tough camp.

02:04:04.000 Those guys are known for getting in wars and really, really training hard. 0.74

02:04:08.000 So I'm sure all of that shit doesn't It's too bad because if Kane had such amazing cardio and great footwork and beautiful striking technique as well as like real elite wrestling technique, if Kane fought more in a Mighty Mouse sense, it's just one of the reasons what made Mighty Mouse so good, 0.88

02:04:25.000 is that like if Kane used his cardio not in like a blunt way but more in a surgical way. 0.97

02:04:30.000 Right.

02:04:31.000 You know, if Kane, like in the Junior Dos Santos fight in particular, he caught him like real early in the second fight and clipped him with the right hand and hurt him and rocked him and just decided to maul him.

02:04:41.000 Just got all over him and mauled him.

02:04:43.000 But he took a lot of damage in the process.

02:04:45.000 They both did.

02:04:45.000 They both hit each other.

02:04:46.000 And Kane overwhelmingly dominated the fight, but it wasn't the way Mighty Mouse does.

02:04:52.000 Mighty Mouse doesn't get hit.

02:04:53.000 He's there, and then he's here, and then you're getting hit.

02:04:57.000 And then he's on your clinch, and then boom, you get a knee in the chin. 0.97

02:04:59.000 And then boom, you're getting elbowed.

02:05:01.000 And then boom, you're getting tripped.

02:05:02.000 And then he's just doing things.

02:05:05.000 He's got this repertoire of possibilities that no one else has.

02:05:09.000 Whereas Kane just had this ferocious attitude, powerful striking, and ungodly cardio. 1.00

02:05:17.000 Just coming at you, bitch. 1.00

02:05:18.000 Here we go. 1.00

02:05:19.000 Yeah.

02:05:19.000 It's kind of one of the things Mayweather was talking about.

02:05:22.000 I see him, like, in a few different interviews leading up to the Conner fight.

02:05:25.000 But just talking about the fact, like, it's a crazy thing that, like, it does almost seem like fans like the guy who takes a lot of head damage more.

02:05:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:05:32.000 Like, they don't like the guy who avoids those wars and avoids that shit. 1.00

02:05:35.000 But it's like, you sit there and look at the way Muhammad Ali left and the way Floyd Mayweather's leaving. 0.99

02:05:41.000 Oh, yeah.

02:05:41.000 And it's like, okay, I get it.

02:05:43.000 The fans love Rope-A-Dope more.

02:05:45.000 But, like...

02:05:46.000 I don't know.

02:05:47.000 It's kind of hard to argue with that.

02:05:48.000 Yeah, Floyd going out beating Conor is really the perfect way to do it, too.

02:05:52.000 Because, you know, he really didn't take much damage in that fight.

02:05:54.000 Took one good solid uppercut in the first round and then kind of like took over.

02:05:58.000 So he gets his big 50th win and then really gets to show that it's really about boxing.

02:06:02.000 It's not about slugging and standing there.

02:06:04.000 But when people talk about him, they don't talk about him with the same reverence that they talk about like Arturo Gatti and Mickey Ward.

02:06:10.000 Because they were more entertaining.

02:06:12.000 Like, the people that get entertained, you know, by the style, the fighter, the wild, crazy slugger, they love those guys, you know?

02:06:19.000 I mean, we all love those guys.

02:06:21.000 Like, I mean, who doesn't love, you know, Travis Brown vs.

02:06:23.000 Andrei Orlovsky, like, a fight like that.

02:06:24.000 I mean, it's like, and to see things like, to see somebody come back after getting, like, There's something incredible about that.

02:06:32.000 It's an amazing thing that MMA... When you were talking about Stipe not knowing whether it was a kick or a punch, it's this amazing thing that MMA does where you find out someone's true character when they're in a storm.

02:06:43.000 And that's amazing.

02:06:45.000 But if you are that person...

02:06:48.000 You know it's just a little bit different like there's human elements involved too and like you got a family you got kids you want to think for the rest of your life you want to like and how can you argue with Floyd I mean the guy made the most money and took the least damage yeah and has the best record I mean how can you argue with that and figured out a way to neutralize really dangerous people like Canelo Alvarez Forget about the Conor fight.

02:07:12.000 Conor was obviously outmatched, but if you look at his fights with really elite knockout artists like Manny Pacquiao neutralized him.

02:07:19.000 Canelo Alvarez neutralized him.

02:07:20.000 Pretty much everybody he fought.

02:07:22.000 He just fought a style that was more entertaining because you wanted him to lose. 1.00

02:07:28.000 His brilliance was that he got you to hate him so that you would buy a fight hoping that the guy was going to kick his ass. 0.99

02:07:36.000 I remember doing this thing. 1.00

02:07:38.000 I was on a radio show that Brian Stan called into.

02:07:43.000 It was an MMA radio show on Sirius Radio that they used to use me on sometimes, and Brian Stan called in.

02:07:47.000 I remember he was just talking about, like, I forget what the topic was.

02:07:51.000 At first it was like Joe Silva had just left and he wasn't matchmaking anymore and he just started talking about how tough the job is of matchmaking and how much it fucks with you when someone gets knocked out real bad and then you're like, ah, maybe I shouldn't have made that match.

02:08:02.000 You know what I mean?

02:08:03.000 You kind of feel like, oh, maybe I threw someone in at the wrong time.

02:08:05.000 And I was kind of like, oh man, that's a human element I really never think about.

02:08:08.000 Yeah.

02:08:09.000 In that job.

02:08:09.000 And then we were talking about GSP coming back.

02:08:12.000 And he was like, yeah, you know, I just don't think GSP should come back.

02:08:14.000 Like, what's he got to prove?

02:08:15.000 And what's he going to do?

02:08:16.000 You know, why risk the brain damage, you know?

02:08:19.000 And then it's like this weird thing.

02:08:20.000 Like, you never think about that as a fan.

02:08:22.000 But when you start meeting the guys and they actually become people.

02:08:25.000 Like, I met Michael Bisbing.

02:08:26.000 Lewis does a show with him.

02:08:27.000 They do a podcast, Believe You May.

02:08:30.000 Really great podcast.

02:08:31.000 How do they do it?

02:08:32.000 They do it through Skype?

02:08:33.000 Yeah.

02:08:33.000 Yeah, they Skype, I believe.

02:08:35.000 Yeah, so he's in LA, and Lewis is in New York, and they Skype it.

02:08:37.000 And then, like, when they're on the coast, they'll do it together.

02:08:40.000 But, uh, but so, you know, like, you get to know him, like, hang a few times, and, like, your friends, and then you're kind of like, oh, yeah, no, I don't want to see you go fight one of these killers.

02:08:49.000 Right.

02:08:50.000 Go to GSP and then retire after that, dude.

02:08:51.000 What are you doing?

02:08:53.000 You've had a great career.

02:08:54.000 You're the champ.

02:08:55.000 You get a huge money fight now.

02:08:57.000 You're great at that commentating thing.

02:08:59.000 It's just like when you know someone personally, it's a little bit more like, ah, nah, dude.

02:09:02.000 But when you're just a fan, it's like, alright, I want to see you fight Joel Romero and then Whitaker and then this guy.

02:09:06.000 But when you know someone, you're like, that guy's a monster.

02:09:09.000 I don't know.

02:09:10.000 Yeah.

02:09:11.000 It makes my job way harder if I like the guy.

02:09:14.000 I imagine.

02:09:15.000 And I know it's going to be a mismatch.

02:09:18.000 You find out somebody you really care for is going to fight somebody that is just going to light him up, and you're like, ooh, how are you going to win this?

02:09:25.000 You had that very public moment with Brendan Shaw, but it was a very interesting, compelling moment because it's like a thing where it's like, yeah, you're talking to your friend, but you're also an MMA analyst.

02:09:36.000 Yeah.

02:09:36.000 I'm talking to a good friend who I knew as a good friend was already one foot out the door and had a bunch of other things that were going on and was one of the rare guys that has massive potential to do things outside the sport.

02:09:48.000 Yeah, he's killing it.

02:09:49.000 He's doing great.

02:09:50.000 I mean, I was right.

02:09:50.000 Look, I mean, he's smashing it with his podcast, smashing it with the Fighter and the Kid podcast he does with Count, smashing it with his live touring.

02:09:57.000 It was amazing to see him.

02:09:59.000 He did a fucking great job on all the stuff leading up to Conor Bryant. 0.97

02:10:02.000 He was excellent. 0.99

02:10:03.000 He was like the only MMA analyst who was in there kind of breaking shit down. 0.96

02:10:06.000 It was great. 0.94

02:10:07.000 So yeah, it's like, why all that to just have one or two more fights and maybe take some real bad?

02:10:14.000 See, if he really wanted to do that, like if he was obsessed, and that's what he wanted to do.

02:10:19.000 He wanted to win the heavyweight title, and that was what 100% of his focus was.

02:10:23.000 But...

02:10:25.000 He wasn't there.

02:10:26.000 I mean, maybe it was when he first started his career, and oftentimes your motivation shifts.

02:10:30.000 You get knocked out a few times.

02:10:31.000 And he had been knocked out several times by then.

02:10:33.000 He got knocked out by Minotauro.

02:10:35.000 He got knocked out by Big Ben Rothwell.

02:10:37.000 He got smashed by Travis Brown.

02:10:38.000 He got knocked out by Roy Nelson.

02:10:40.000 And these are out-cold knockouts.

02:10:42.000 So, like, there were so many of them, and I was seeing it so often.

02:10:46.000 And then towards the end, I was noticing...

02:10:49.000 Just a lack of enthusiasm.

02:10:51.000 It wasn't the same fire that allowed him to knock out Mirko Krokop.

02:10:56.000 It wasn't the same sort of intensity.

02:10:59.000 You told me last time I was on the show that you've experienced that smart guys have a tougher time coming back from getting knocked out.

02:11:07.000 Because I found that really interesting.

02:11:08.000 Maybe that's part of the case with him.

02:11:09.000 It's like it's hard to avoid knowing the information.

02:11:12.000 Yeah, well, certainly, I mean, if you're a person who...

02:11:15.000 I mean, you could be a smart person and just compartmentalize things and figure out how to control the variables in your mind and just be refocused on what you're doing.

02:11:22.000 It's not to say that people who come back aren't smart.

02:11:25.000 But I think, I mean, people, it's not to say also that people who fight aren't smart, because a lot of people think of fighters as not being smart.

02:11:32.000 I think that's not true at all.

02:11:33.000 I think there's a lot of people who fight who aren't smart.

02:11:36.000 But I think the people who excel have exceptional mind...

02:11:43.000 Some of them are very smart.

02:11:45.000 I mean, you look like a guy like Dominic Cruz.

02:11:48.000 It's like a very smart guy.

02:11:49.000 I mean, there's guys like that.

02:11:50.000 Brian Stamm, very intelligent guy.

02:11:52.000 And then when you go to champions, like Mighty Mouse is super smart.

02:11:54.000 He's a very, very articulate guy and doesn't show any damage at all.

02:11:58.000 I mean, I'm sure there are some meatheads also out there. 0.99

02:12:00.000 For sure.

02:12:01.000 But, you know, it's certainly like a mix.

02:12:03.000 Yeah.

02:12:04.000 Carlos Condit, he's another one.

02:12:05.000 There's a lot of guys who fight that just aren't like that though.

02:12:09.000 There's a lot of guys who are just like super aggressive and they just do well and they kick ass and, you know, the guys who know that they're experiencing traumatic brain injury.

02:12:21.000 They understand the consequences are, they're unavoidable.

02:12:25.000 Unless there's some new medical breakthrough that allows you to heal CTE, which is super possible.

02:12:31.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:12:32.000 I mean, if you described the medical breakthroughs we have now, 50 years ago, you'd be talking about, you know, magic.

02:12:38.000 So, yeah.

02:12:38.000 My good buddy, Steve Graham, was on the U.S. ski team, like, in the 1980s.

02:12:43.000 And he had scars.

02:12:44.000 When I first met him, he had already had, like...

02:12:47.000 I mean in his life I want to say he's had more than 20 knee surgeries and I think I'm being super conservative because I think it's way more than that I think he literally had he's had 50 surgeries including eye surgeries he's had shoulder surgery everything but when I met him his knees were so fucked up he had these big slices up and down the side of his knees where they had opened him up and tried to screw things back together again from skiing just mangling his knees in the old days of skiing And

02:13:17.000 those same operations today, I have one on this knee, you can't even see the scar.

02:13:22.000 It's little tiny dots because they did it arthroscopically and they put in a cadaver unit and it healed.

02:13:27.000 In six months I was doing jujitsu again.

02:13:29.000 No pain, no loss of range of motion, everything feels stronger than it felt before.

02:13:33.000 So like that's just the medical science that occurred in 20 years.

02:13:38.000 20 years from his operation to my operation.

02:13:40.000 What's it gonna be 20 years from now?

02:13:42.000 It's totally possible they'll develop some sort of stem cell technique to regenerate brain tissue. 0.93

02:13:46.000 Yeah, well, this is why it's so it's so crazy the moment in human history we're at where we're like guys if we can just not kill each other for like another couple years We might do some really beautiful amazing shit, right? 0.93

02:13:57.000 Like we really might we might it's really why it's crazy that one of our big threats is North Korea.

02:14:03.000 Yeah Because that represents one of the oldest styles of running a country ever.

02:14:07.000 Yeah, and it's really...

02:14:09.000 I think Trump's been really bad on that issue, and that is terrifying.

02:14:16.000 I was really happy when you had Michael Malice on, because I've learned a lot about him.

02:14:20.000 He's great.

02:14:20.000 He knows so much about it.

02:14:22.000 His book, Dear Readers, excellent.

02:14:24.000 Yes, it's an excellent book, and he's just a fascinating human being, that guy.

02:14:29.000 But it's like you have, as we were saying before, it's like a hostage situation, but the guy holding the hostages has nukes, which makes that a very different type of hostage situation.

02:14:40.000 And he's shooting them in the sky.

02:14:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:14:42.000 He's shooting the duds over Japan. 0.98

02:14:44.000 Yes, yes.

02:14:44.000 But there also is, like, people, because, again, the media, which just absolutely has a blind spot for, like, the military-industrial complex and the horror of American wars.

02:14:54.000 So you don't get the full picture, I think.

02:14:57.000 Like, to me, it's very logical why he's shooting off rockets left and right.

02:15:02.000 Like...

02:15:03.000 I mean, self-preservation is a pretty obvious motivator.

02:15:07.000 And people like Gaddafi who come out and say, oh, okay, international community, you said you don't want us to have nuclear arms, so then we'll disarm.

02:15:15.000 We'll end our nuclear program.

02:15:17.000 They do that, we move in there and throw them out. 0.69

02:15:19.000 And Gaddafi ends up getting sodomized to death.

02:15:22.000 You know, so that's like, if you're this guy, you're like, well, I'm going to not go that route. 0.99

02:15:26.000 So now I'm going to show you, and basically he's showing you, I can fucking nuke. 0.99

02:15:30.000 I can nuke these fucking places if you come at me. 1.00

02:15:33.000 That being said, you know, he's a madman. 1.00

02:15:35.000 He's definitely a madman. 0.99

02:15:37.000 Who's holding his people, you know, hostage. 1.00

02:15:39.000 And it's horrific.

02:15:41.000 But there are like certain...

02:15:43.000 Okay, if you have a hostage situation, there are some reasonable ways to handle that and some ridiculous ways to handle that.

02:15:50.000 So like when you have a hostage situation, I think it's reasonable to negotiate.

02:15:55.000 With the guy.

02:15:56.000 I think it's reasonable to take him out if you have a shot.

02:15:59.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.98

02:16:00.000 If someone has a shot and like too many people won't be hurt, we can take him out, take the shot. 0.99

02:16:04.000 What you don't do is stand outside and start talking shit to the guy who's got the hostages. 0.99

02:16:10.000 Yeah, no, Trump's not thinking it's anything other than like a Rosie O'Donnell. 0.99

02:16:14.000 Yes, yes. 0.99

02:16:15.000 Like the way he talks shit about Rosie O'Donnell, he's calling this guy Rocket Man. 0.99

02:16:18.000 Which I kind of like with Rosie O'Donnell. 0.98

02:16:19.000 You know, there's a thing about Trump, I'm no fan of his, but there's something, I kind of get a thrill, I get a kick out of how he'd, you know, piss off people who I'm not a huge fan of.

02:16:28.000 Right, lying Ted.

02:16:29.000 I'll tell you though, I love... 0.99

02:16:31.000 Crazy Hillary. 1.00

02:16:31.000 When he did the thing... 1.00

02:16:32.000 Crazy Bernie. 0.52

02:16:33.000 Yes, all the stuff.

02:16:34.000 I love the nicknames until it was Rocket Man.

02:16:37.000 I was really into the nicknames.

02:16:38.000 And you're like, whoa, hey, buddy, this isn't funny anymore.

02:16:41.000 This guy's got nukes.

02:16:43.000 But there's the...

02:16:44.000 Well, look, when he...

02:16:45.000 It was Morning Joe, the co-host Mika Brzezinski...

02:16:49.000 Yeah.

02:16:49.000 So she made a thing on the show where there was a picture on Time Magazine with Trump like this, with his hands under his arms, and she made a joke on the show, and she goes, oh, how come he doesn't want to show his hands?

02:17:01.000 Maybe because they're teeny.

02:17:03.000 Okay?

02:17:03.000 That was the joke she made.

02:17:05.000 It's a little dick joke. 0.98

02:17:06.000 I mean, that's what she was making on her show. 0.99

02:17:08.000 So Donald Trump, like, immediately tweets out.

02:17:11.000 I think about her and he goes, when she was at my party, she had scars from the facelift.

02:17:17.000 No, she was still bleeding.

02:17:18.000 She was still bleeding from the facelift.

02:17:20.000 They asked me to sit with her.

02:17:21.000 Did not go.

02:17:22.000 Yes, yes.

02:17:23.000 So it's this thing.

02:17:24.000 Now, then, of course, the media goes right into the mode of like, how could you insult a woman's, you know, like, And it's like, I don't know, man. 0.99

02:17:32.000 Like, if you can't take the heat, get out of the fucking... 0.98

02:17:34.000 Well, don't make fun of his hands. 1.00

02:17:34.000 If you're gonna make a little dick joke... 1.00

02:17:36.000 And then people are like, actual journalists. 0.89

02:17:39.000 Like, grown-up people who consider themselves journalists.

02:17:41.000 I saw reporting a week later.

02:17:43.000 It's been confirmed that Mika Brzezinski wasn't even at that event and didn't even... 1.00

02:17:47.000 Yeah, you fucking idiots. 1.00

02:17:49.000 This isn't a real thing. 1.00

02:17:50.000 He's just getting her back.

02:17:51.000 Like, she hit him and he's hitting her back.

02:17:53.000 Like, yes, if you're vain enough to be having plastic surgery, probably you're not going out while you're still bleeding from the plastic surgery. 0.78

02:18:01.000 But, like, the point is, and I kind of like that about Trump, it's like, oh, finally, someone being unapologetic and being like, oh, you hit me, I'll hit you back. 1.00

02:18:07.000 Okay, well, this is where I disagree with you hardcore, because I think it's stupid and childish. 1.00

02:18:11.000 And what he did was so fucking dumb, it's beneath being the President of the United States. 1.00

02:18:16.000 And this idea that you're going to make up a story about a woman bleeding from plastic surgery to get over because she said you have little hands, that's some weak bitch shit. 1.00

02:18:25.000 Okay, as you repeat it back to me, it does sound like some weak bitch shit. 1.00

02:18:28.000 It's weak bitch shit. 1.00

02:18:29.000 If that was your friend, hold on a second, if that was your friend, and one of your friends was making fun of the fact that you had small hands, and so you went on a radio show or a podcast and made up a whole story That's a bitch move. 1.00

02:18:44.000 Okay, so I'll agree with you on that. 0.95

02:18:46.000 You're right. 0.99

02:18:46.000 It is kind of a bitch move. 0.99

02:18:47.000 No, it's 100% a bitch move. 1.00

02:18:49.000 So I'll agree with you. 0.99

02:18:50.000 Unless it really happened. 0.98

02:18:52.000 Even so, I could get where you could say it's kind of a bitch move. 1.00

02:18:55.000 Like, you should be above this. 0.91

02:18:56.000 But I get what I enjoy about it, is if then, everybody else, like 95% of the mainstream media's reaction is, how could you attack a woman's looks? 0.99

02:19:06.000 And you're like, Ha ha, you dummies. 0.97

02:19:08.000 Maybe you'll think next time about... 0.99

02:19:10.000 I hate the thing that Mika feels entitled to make a small dick joke, and then feels entitled the next day to play the, are you insulting a woman's looks? 1.00

02:19:19.000 It's actually worse, right? 0.98

02:19:21.000 If he was telling the truth.

02:19:22.000 Because what she's saying, he has no control over.

02:19:25.000 He has no control over the size of his hands that he was born with.

02:19:28.000 But she does have control over whether or not she's so vain she lets a doctor stick a tube down her throat and cut her half-alive body and stitch it tighter to give the illusion of youth. 1.00

02:19:38.000 Now, I don't think that really happened.

02:19:40.000 At least that's what a lot of people are saying.

02:19:41.000 Probably the story isn't right. 0.99

02:19:42.000 But if it did happen, and he was talking about that after she was talking shit, then it makes sense. 0.96

02:19:47.000 What doesn't make sense is it's not true. 0.97

02:19:49.000 Yeah.

02:19:50.000 So I guess what I do agree with you, the point you made.

02:19:52.000 So I will walk back that a little bit.

02:19:54.000 You're right. 0.84

02:19:54.000 It's kind of a shitty move. 0.84

02:19:55.000 But there's just something... 0.87

02:19:57.000 You like the fact that... 0.98

02:19:58.000 I like that someone's fighting back against the PC authoritarianism, which I do see as a really big fucking problem. 0.95

02:20:05.000 I don't see this as a little problem that's annoying. 0.96

02:20:07.000 I think it's a really big problem, and I don't care about the dignity of the president.

02:20:11.000 I like that being undermined as much as possible. 0.98

02:20:13.000 I don't think the whole idea that there's dignity to this bullshit job that shouldn't even exist, I hate. 0.98

02:20:19.000 So I like that aspect of Trump. 1.00

02:20:21.000 Dude, what did you think about when Bourdain got shit? 0.99

02:20:24.000 Because they asked him at the airport, just one of them TMZ things, you're walking through the airport. 0.99

02:20:28.000 They go, if you had to cook for Kim Jong Un and Donald Trump, what would you serve?

02:20:32.000 He goes, hemlock.

02:20:33.000 And then he leaves. 0.99

02:20:34.000 That's a fucking Bourdain throwaway funny punchline, obviously. 0.99

02:20:39.000 That's just good chef humor right there. 0.99

02:20:41.000 Goddamn, dude, I was looking at all the comments and so many of them were using hashtag POTUS to talk about POTUS that way. 0.97

02:20:48.000 They were talking about it like he's the king. 0.99

02:20:50.000 Like these sheep.

02:20:51.000 But they also switch sides.

02:20:53.000 It's like the Obama people and the Trump people are so happy to just, just literally one day, oh, you take that position and I'll take this position now.

02:20:59.000 No problem.

02:21:00.000 No feeling of like, oh, this is a little bit weird.

02:21:02.000 I was literally three days ago lecturing people about how he's our president and now I'm like, not my president.

02:21:08.000 Like, you don't feel any, any, you know, and there's this thing that I go, you know, I remember you said this and I've quoted this many times on my show.

02:21:17.000 Part of the problem.

02:21:17.000 My podcast.

02:21:18.000 There.

02:21:18.000 Get a plug-in.

02:21:19.000 Powerful part of the problem.

02:21:20.000 Powerful part of the problem.

02:21:21.000 No more alliteration.

02:21:23.000 I don't know if you were quoting someone, or this was yours originally, but you were describing the Occupy Wall Street movement, and you used the white blood cells Yes.

02:21:32.000 As the way to describe them.

02:21:33.000 You might have been quoting someone else when you said it, or maybe it was yours originally, but I remember hearing you say this.

02:21:38.000 I think it was mine.

02:21:39.000 What I was saying is, obviously there's a disease, and they don't know exactly what it is, but the white blood cells are moving in, and they're surrounding this infection.

02:21:46.000 That's right.

02:21:47.000 They're trying to figure out what it is.

02:21:48.000 I thought it was like such a perfect analogy and it applies to Occupy Wall Street.

02:21:52.000 It also applied to like the Tea Party movement and some other way and you write the point of being like look a white blood cell does not Understand the complexity of a virus.

02:22:00.000 It doesn't have the cure for a virus.

02:22:02.000 It doesn't have like that, but it knows Corruption rush.

02:22:06.000 Yeah, like that's the thing It's like corrupt and rush and I think that a lot of the Trump thing is that too It's like white blood cells, and they know that this PC authoritarian thing, that Trump fights that.

02:22:20.000 They know that's the virus, and this is, to them, the most anti...

02:22:24.000 Twitter audit report.

02:22:26.000 He has half fake...

02:22:28.000 People.

02:22:29.000 You know, I did that to me today, and I posted it on Instagram.

02:22:32.000 I'm very happy with the results.

02:22:34.000 You're doing way better than Trump. 1.00

02:22:35.000 Way better than that motherfucker. 1.00

02:22:37.000 I don't have any fake people on Twitter, because first of all, I'm not the president. 1.00

02:22:40.000 I think when you're the president, you automatically get like a shit ton of fake people.

02:22:44.000 Billionaire GOP patron behind Trump's social media bot army.

02:22:48.000 Yeah, of course he has a media bot.

02:22:49.000 Of course!

02:22:50.000 Why would he not use that?

02:22:51.000 I mean, it's just like, to him, that's like a tool.

02:22:54.000 It's like when the Samurais refused to adopt gunfire.

02:22:58.000 They refused to adopt firearms. 1.00

02:23:01.000 They're like, fuck that shit. 1.00

02:23:02.000 We're using bows and arrows and swords like men. 1.00

02:23:04.000 And they got gunned down.

02:23:06.000 That was the end of the Japanese Empire as we knew it at the time.

02:23:10.000 It's an agent version of what Kodak did.

02:23:12.000 Oh, right, right, right.

02:23:13.000 Kodak was like when digital came out, they were like, yeah, we don't really like digital.

02:23:16.000 We'll be the film guys. 1.00

02:23:17.000 Yeah, fuck off. 1.00

02:23:18.000 You guys go with digital. 1.00

02:23:19.000 And after a while, they tried.

02:23:21.000 They put out some digital cameras, but then the cameras were on phones. 1.00

02:23:24.000 Too late, bitch. 1.00

02:23:24.000 You missed the whole thing. 1.00

02:23:25.000 You were an industry leader.

02:23:26.000 Yeah, you went way behind the curve.

02:23:28.000 But you're the number one typewriter distributor now.

02:23:30.000 That's all it means.

02:23:31.000 If you're running for president, Dave Smith, and you don't use a bot army, I'll be very disappointed in you.

02:23:35.000 I'll be like, how can I give you my support if you're not even willing to use a bot army?

02:23:39.000 We need bots. 0.99

02:23:39.000 We're talking about Smith-24 now? 0.99

02:23:41.000 Yes, Smith-24.

02:23:42.000 I think bots are like old technology at that point.

02:23:45.000 Oh, you're right.

02:23:45.000 I'm sorry.

02:23:45.000 I'm like, dude, I'm not going to get elected with that crap.

02:23:47.000 How short-sided of me. 0.99

02:23:48.000 Dude, that's 2020 thinking. 1.00

02:23:49.000 That's bullshit thinking. 1.00

02:23:51.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:23:51.000 Yeah, the new stuff is all... 0.99

02:23:53.000 You've got to figure out a hack into neural implants.

02:23:56.000 That's right.

02:23:56.000 I'm also...

02:23:57.000 A lot of my campaign is going to be running against the previous four years of the Kanye West administration and everything that they did wrong.

02:24:02.000 I'm going to be like, look, Trump didn't solve the problem.

02:24:04.000 Kanye didn't solve the problem.

02:24:06.000 Now let's take a nice libertarian position.

02:24:08.000 We'll be ready. 0.89

02:24:09.000 Kanye will have established a colony in Africa and he will have redesigned Calabasas in Africa and They'll all be just driving around and Bentleys and shit and ducking lions It's like it really is though like it's it's almost like seems anything seems plausible. 0.95

02:24:26.000 It's a reality show. 0.95

02:24:26.000 We're living in a reality show. 0.95

02:24:27.000 But it is a thing that it is like like Andrew Breitbart said and this is what I've realized over the last year is that a Politics is downstream from culture.

02:24:36.000 Yeah, that was the truth.

02:24:37.000 I completely missed this and Maybe not completely, but I definitely underplayed how important the culture is and how that really dictates.

02:24:43.000 It's not like, oh, if you went to Central Africa tomorrow and went, don't worry, I changed the minimum wage law, things will be okay.

02:24:53.000 It's like there's a cultural element that you have to account for also.

02:24:58.000 And the Donald Trump thing, it's just kind of like... 0.99

02:25:02.000 What's so interesting to me is, like, Trump's a buffoon, and he's a cartoon. 0.99

02:25:06.000 I mean, literally a cartoon. 0.99

02:25:07.000 Like, he's got the color of him, the color of his skin, the color of his hair.

02:25:12.000 Like, you watch CNN... Poorly fitting suits, his overweight body, and his crazy hair. 0.96

02:25:16.000 You're watching the news, and then a cartoon character comes on.

02:25:19.000 But in this weird way, he's had this ability to, like, hold up a mirror to the rest of American...

02:25:25.000 He's also a billionaire, so he's undeniably a winner, as far as we decide.

02:25:30.000 Hard to argue that.

02:25:31.000 And then on top of that, he's unapologetic.

02:25:34.000 And that's something we all admire, because we all wish we could do that, because we can't.

02:25:38.000 And that's something that pisses off the left very much.

02:25:40.000 That, I think, is right at the heart of why they hate Trump, which is something I'm fascinated by.

02:25:45.000 And I really think being an unapologetic white man rubs the left wrong.

02:25:51.000 Like, look, you can be a white man, and you can be an ally, But you gotta be down here.

02:25:56.000 You know, you can't be like up here.

02:25:57.000 You can't be like, hey, I have an opinion and this is how I feel.

02:26:00.000 You gotta be down here like, I have an opinion and I know my opinion's been overrepresented throughout history.

02:26:04.000 Listen, Jamie Kilstein has taken enough heat.

02:26:06.000 You don't have to go after him again right here on this podcast like you just did.

02:26:09.000 I saw what you did.

02:26:11.000 No, I will welcome Jamie back.

02:26:13.000 I will too.

02:26:13.000 I will, with open arms, welcome Jamie back.

02:26:16.000 He did some silly things. 0.96

02:26:18.000 Got a little carried away. 0.98

02:26:19.000 Exactly.

02:26:20.000 People make bad decisions. 0.98

02:26:21.000 He got influenced by a silly ideology. 0.96

02:26:24.000 And it came out. 0.65

02:26:26.000 And he did some great work for those people. 0.99

02:26:28.000 There was a fucking speech that he did in front of this giant thing in Brooklyn. 0.99

02:26:31.000 I forget what it was about. 0.99

02:26:33.000 But he was doing this speech about Donald Trump and about Black Lives Matter.

02:26:38.000 It was really well-worded stuff, whether you agree with it or not.

02:26:41.000 He did good work inside that little sort of paradigm.

02:26:46.000 I met Jamie Kilstein when I was a brand new comedian, just starting stand-up comedy, and he was, to me, Like doing things that were really cool.

02:26:56.000 He was on the road with Stan Hope and like to me that was like oh you're like you made it like that's amazing like you're doing the thing that we all want to do and he was just super kind and helpful to me when I was a young comic and so I always just have like a As a person, I like Jamie.

02:27:11.000 Right.

02:27:12.000 And all the things I don't like about Jamie were me, like, seeing him on your show, or seeing something he tweeted, or something like that.

02:27:17.000 So it's like, as a person, I always liked him, and then the public persona, like, he owes a few people apologies, but I'd be happy to.

02:27:23.000 Yeah, I mean, I think we're all vulnerable to a certain extent, and we're vulnerable to, like, if you tap into a vein and you have success with a certain way of behaving and thinking, and you, you know, you put blinders on because this is benefiting you.

02:27:37.000 Yeah.

02:27:37.000 I mean, you see that financially with people, what we were talking about before.

02:27:41.000 You see that culturally, socially, and I think Jamie tapped into this social vein of success in this very extreme ideology, this extreme feminist, male feminist ally ideology, the denial of the differences between the men and the women.

02:27:57.000 And it's like...

02:27:58.000 He's a cliche in a lot of ways, right?

02:28:00.000 Because he's a small guy and, you know, he's very slight and you always see a small guy who's a vegan and a feminist, you're like, oh, it's just, he's one of those guys.

02:28:09.000 You know what I mean?

02:28:09.000 It's like you fall into these weird sort of predetermined patterns of behavior, these categories, and he just was a black belt at that, you know?

02:28:17.000 But also banging chicks. 1.00

02:28:19.000 Turns out you can't be in that world and also like pussy, as it turns out. 1.00

02:28:24.000 That's so crazy. 1.00

02:28:24.000 I mean, isn't that the ultimate feminist? 1.00

02:28:26.000 He loves women top to bottom.

02:28:28.000 I don't know what the actual issue that they had with him.

02:28:30.000 I don't really know.

02:28:31.000 No, I don't either.

02:28:31.000 But I will say this, okay?

02:28:33.000 That he hangs out in that social justice warrior crowd that he was hanging out with.

02:28:37.000 They will throw out the rape word for anything. 0.99

02:28:41.000 Oh, everything.

02:28:41.000 You can look at someone the wrong way, and they'll call that rape.

02:28:43.000 And what they accused Jamie of was inappropriate and manipulative behavior toward women.

02:28:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:28:49.000 So that, I mean, literally means trying to get pussy. 1.00

02:28:52.000 Like, it's not even, you're not even exaggerating. 0.99

02:28:55.000 If you go, like, to them, to this, in this social justice warrior world, if you were to be like, hey, why don't we, like, get out of here and go back to my place, and you're like, no, we can't go, come on.

02:29:03.000 Yeah.

02:29:04.000 She said no and then you said come on.

02:29:06.000 That is inappropriate, manipulative behavior.

02:29:09.000 There was a skeptics conference and a man in an elevator asked a woman if she wanted to come to his room and have some coffee and she did a whole speech the next day. 0.98

02:29:20.000 About how men should not, if they're with a woman alone and it's late at night, do not ask them to coffee because you're going to imply that this woman is in danger and make her feel uncomfortable and all this different crazy shit. 1.00

02:29:33.000 Like, oh, so a guy was trying to fuck you. 0.99

02:29:35.000 Doesn't that happen all the time? 1.00

02:29:37.000 Like, you're making a speech about this, trying to control the behavior of men to the point where they're not men anymore?

02:29:43.000 You're trying to shape them and form them into some weird sort of PC version of you would like this no biological difference between the men and the women, men being only, you know, allies and like what?

02:29:54.000 Yeah, it's so strange.

02:29:56.000 The whole thing is so weird. 1.00

02:29:57.000 And like, you know, it's always these people who, you know, seem to be so resentful and angry at The male-female relationship and interplay and like, oh, a guy wanting to fuck you is so horrible. 0.99

02:30:10.000 Coincidentally, almost always not attractive. 0.99

02:30:13.000 You don't see a lot of 10s walking around going like, oh, it's so unfair. 0.84

02:30:17.000 There's a few that sneak in there.

02:30:18.000 A few, a few.

02:30:18.000 But you don't see a ton of them walking around.

02:30:20.000 They're like black Republicans. 0.94

02:30:21.000 Well, here's the thing. 0.90

02:30:22.000 They're like the Cheryl Clarks. 0.95

02:30:24.000 That's right.

02:30:24.000 And they put them right up front.

02:30:25.000 They put them right up front.

02:30:26.000 Like, see?

02:30:27.000 We got a couple. 1.00

02:30:28.000 Look at her tits. 1.00

02:30:29.000 She's got giant tits and a little waist. 1.00

02:30:31.000 She's a fucking feminist. 1.00

02:30:33.000 Well, the truth is, if you want to get into a conversation, a real honest conversation about privilege, right, and who has privilege and who doesn't have privilege, I mean, hot chick privilege is pretty strong. 1.00

02:30:45.000 I mean, you know, hot chicks walk around in a different world than regular women and men do. 1.00

02:30:50.000 I mean, it's just a different thing, and that's part of the nature of, but, you know, whatever.

02:30:54.000 I mean, that's like who human beings are, but it's like you don't hear her complaining about it as much because she's winning.

02:31:00.000 Right.

02:31:00.000 At this exchange.

02:31:01.000 Right. 1.00

02:31:01.000 And women have to sort of keep their mouth shut about that shit. 1.00

02:31:04.000 Right. 1.00

02:31:04.000 They have to kind of, well, I don't want to get away with it. 1.00

02:31:07.000 We're working on our end over here.

02:31:10.000 You know, I saw this tweet this woman put out that said, pro tip, if you don't ever date a man who doesn't identify himself as a feminist, And I was like, that is so crazy.

02:31:22.000 That's such a crazy thing to say.

02:31:24.000 Like, first of all, pro tip is one of the douchiest things you could ever say and not say something funny.

02:31:29.000 If you say pro tip, what you say after that better be preposterous.

02:31:34.000 You see pro tip and you're serious? 1.00

02:31:37.000 You're a fucking condescending, angry person from the jump. 0.99

02:31:41.000 And it's very rarely a very successful pro who's giving me this pro tip. 1.00

02:31:44.000 Second of all, the idea of every man that you date should be a feminist. 1.00

02:31:48.000 Well, every man you date shouldn't be a person who discriminates.

02:31:52.000 I agree with that.

02:31:53.000 They should be open-minded.

02:31:55.000 They should be egalitarian.

02:31:56.000 But the idea that they have to subscribe to a feminist ideology, this can't just be fair and honest and Curious and have real conversations with you open and objective. 1.00

02:32:06.000 That's not good enough.

02:32:07.000 No, they have to identify with this ideology that the only way you could ever have equality, true equality within the sexes is if the man identifies as being a feminist.

02:32:16.000 Like that's what feminism is. 1.00

02:32:18.000 Feminism is not supportive women No, feminism is total uniformity, and there's no discrimination whatsoever, and until that happens, you have to be a feminist. 1.00

02:32:29.000 Yeah, and feminism to me is like modern-day feminism, at least. 1.00

02:32:32.000 It's just like a hate group.

02:32:34.000 I mean, I just don't know how else to describe them.

02:32:36.000 They're just a hate group.

02:32:37.000 It's like, if you take them at their word, You know, the way you could take any hate group at their word, you know, and they'd be like, oh, you know, we're not a hate group.

02:32:45.000 We just care about white people, white people's rights, and the white children, blah, blah, blah. 0.65

02:32:49.000 And then you're kind of like, oh, okay, well, let me come to a meeting. 0.97

02:32:51.000 And then by, like, that meeting, you're like, man, they sure do seem to hate black people at this meeting.

02:32:55.000 We're not a hate group. 1.00

02:32:56.000 We just think that all straight white men are trash until proven otherwise. 1.00

02:32:59.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:33:00.000 And if you want to be there and you're of that group, you better first confess to your original sin and be guilty the whole time and be constantly repenting.

02:33:10.000 And then you can be there.

02:33:12.000 But even with them, there's a giant spectrum, right?

02:33:14.000 There's a lot of women that are just... 1.00

02:33:15.000 What they don't want is some fucking creepy boss to talk... 1.00

02:33:19.000 You know, crazy creepy sexual shit to them and they have to absorb it because they want to move up the corporate ladder and they're discriminated sexually in the office space. 1.00

02:33:26.000 They're discriminated when it comes to, you know, promotions and raises and, you know, the position in the company. 1.00

02:33:33.000 That's, yeah, that's fucking gross. 1.00

02:33:37.000 I would hate to be a woman working in an office filled with fucking men who think about trying to have sex with you all the time. 1.00

02:33:43.000 It probably sucks. 1.00

02:33:44.000 Absolutely. 0.97

02:33:44.000 And there are certain struggles that guys are unaware of, or maybe not unaware completely because you're bringing it up right now, but we don't experience, certainly. 0.97

02:33:52.000 You don't know what it's like to walk around life as a tiny hot chick that men just constantly want to fuck. 1.00

02:33:57.000 I mean, I'm sure that comes... 0.99

02:33:59.000 And feel vulnerable.

02:34:00.000 Yes, and I'm sure being catcalled...

02:34:02.000 You know, when they first came out with that video, the one that went viral of the chick being catcalled around New York City, my first reaction was I thought it was very interesting.

02:34:08.000 And I said, because if you're a guy who doesn't catcall, Chicks, which is like the category I fall into. 0.98

02:34:14.000 That's just not my style of getting laid. 0.99

02:34:16.000 I've never thought of just being like, let me get that ass, Ma, like as you walk by me. 0.99

02:34:20.000 But I mean, you know, that did roll off the tongue kind of naturally. 0.99

02:34:22.000 So maybe I should try it.

02:34:24.000 Maybe that'll work.

02:34:26.000 It made me get nervous.

02:34:27.000 But like, so it's interesting to see that.

02:34:30.000 Because you're like, oh, I don't do that.

02:34:31.000 So as a guy who doesn't do that, I'm the only category of people who's like unaware of it.

02:34:35.000 Let me pause.

02:34:37.000 Do you know how they made that video?

02:34:39.000 I found out later.

02:34:40.000 I did find out later.

02:34:41.000 Please tell everybody, because it's hilarious.

02:34:42.000 So they took, like, hours and hours of footage.

02:34:44.000 They basically went all day long and disproportionately took footage of black neighborhoods.

02:34:48.000 They went around in circles in this black neighborhood. 0.99

02:34:52.000 In Harlem and in Times Square, in these two areas.

02:34:55.000 And they basically got a lot of black guys, you know, talking, you know, to a very attractive white chick. 0.99

02:35:02.000 A very attractive white girl with a big butt. 1.00

02:35:03.000 Yes. 1.00

02:35:03.000 You know, the crime of the century. 1.00

02:35:05.000 But at least it's like, look, I do think there's something to be said for, like, oh, okay, look, I don't know what the experience of getting catcalled is, this might be pissing off some women, so okay, like, let's look at that.

02:35:16.000 But then there's also, like, lots of struggles of men that women don't necessarily know about.

02:35:21.000 And the problem with feminists is that, and modern feminists, is that they're not going like, hey, we both have struggles here, let's have a conversation. 1.00

02:35:28.000 We're not like, we're humanists, we're equalists, let's have a conversation.

02:35:31.000 They're like, we're feminists! 1.00

02:35:33.000 We're on this team, and we're going to talk about our struggles and lecture you about it, and you can never discuss the opposite.

02:35:39.000 And the past gets so perverted.

02:35:42.000 The past was all just oppressive gender roles toward women. 0.99

02:35:47.000 It's like, actually, in reality, there were oppressive gender roles for everybody in the past, and it's very debatable who they were more oppressive for.

02:35:54.000 Like, in my grandmother's and grandfather's day, oppressive gender roles landed my grandfather in combat fighting and war. 1.00

02:36:04.000 It wasn't like, oh, the men didn't have any struggles that the women didn't know about.

02:36:08.000 Again, we technologically advanced.

02:36:10.000 We don't need those gender roles, which we did need for lots of years before technology. 1.00

02:36:15.000 There's no way for humans to survive.

02:36:16.000 I mean, go 400 years ago and say, let's abolish gender roles. 1.00

02:36:20.000 It's like, what?

02:36:21.000 You're going to have kids until three of them die from polio.

02:36:25.000 I mean, that was the point of the Google memo.

02:36:27.000 There's still things that people gravitate towards that are male with more frequency than they do with a female.

02:36:35.000 And then you have these aberrations, these women that want to be MMA fighters, and these men that want to be florists.

02:36:39.000 And you have all the different people in between.

02:36:42.000 And to try to get equality.

02:36:45.000 And that was one of the things that was so frustrating about people, is that we're not saying that women shouldn't be equal, they can't be equal.

02:36:51.000 We're saying they're not equal.

02:36:52.000 They're not equally Represented in this particular field, this particular discipline.

02:36:58.000 Now let's explore why.

02:37:00.000 One of the things that I thought was so crazy about the Google memo was that the guy had like a page and a half of like dedicated to what would be a way to get women more interested in tech.

02:37:09.000 And he had all these citations for all these different studies that he was quoting.

02:37:13.000 And when they reprinted it in several sources, they removed the citations, and they would take these quotes out of context and highlight them and make them larger.

02:37:24.000 Which I find strange to be like, yeah, I read part of that thing, and it seemed fairly reasonable to me, and I saw it very misrepresented in the way people were talking about it on the news.

02:37:34.000 Oh, very misrepresented.

02:37:34.000 It's just this weird thing where you're like, okay, look, if you do...

02:37:37.000 Like, equality is...

02:37:39.000 What exactly do we even mean by that?

02:37:41.000 It's like, yeah, equality under the law or something like that?

02:37:43.000 Like, okay, sure.

02:37:44.000 But no, men and women are different.

02:37:46.000 Well, men are different.

02:37:48.000 You and I are different.

02:37:49.000 You know way more about politics than I do. 0.99

02:37:51.000 And you know way more about hunting elk and shit like that. 0.99

02:37:54.000 Well, that's always going to be the case. 0.98

02:37:56.000 It's not an equal thing because we're not mathematical problems.

02:37:59.000 I've got a huge gap to close on your elk hunting knowledge.

02:38:01.000 I've got to get out of that.

02:38:02.000 That's a weird one that I probably shouldn't have dipped my toes into.

02:38:08.000 So absorbed.

02:38:09.000 No, but you're absolutely right.

02:38:10.000 But that's just the case with all humans.

02:38:12.000 It is, like snowflakes.

02:38:14.000 I mean, we're all completely different and have different...

02:38:16.000 And the idea that equality, I mean, you'll never have that of any true sense.

02:38:20.000 And then the thing with, like, okay, with women, it seems like feminists basically, like, they almost, while bashing men and bashing the traditional kind of masculine gender role, they also seem to embrace it and want that for women. 0.97

02:38:36.000 You know what they really want it for?

02:38:38.000 Transgender people.

02:38:39.000 That's where it gets super slippery, because the left wants really classic, feminine, like, transgender people. 0.97

02:38:45.000 Like, when Bruce Jenner became Caitlyn Jenner, he's painting his toes and wearing high heels and short skirts and gets a tit job, gets his jaw sawed down.

02:38:55.000 Like, you can't just be a woman. 1.00

02:38:57.000 You can't just be a manly-looking woman. 1.00

02:38:59.000 You gotta be a woman with a fucking facial surgery. 1.00

02:39:03.000 Yeah, and we go yes you you're amazing you go that's right if a girl embraces those classic gender roles like wearing high heels and short skirts and You know our tits are pushed together and like oh god you're falling into this classic gender trap That's right or or if a woman said like oh I want to be a housewife and like raise my kids and live a traditional lifestyle You know like that's or if I'm gonna move for my husband or something like that You know like that if you're a gay married man you say Go for it. 1.00

02:39:29.000 Go for it.

02:39:29.000 You go, girl.

02:39:30.000 And you see the same thing happen where they literally, the same thing they'll hate if a man does.

02:39:34.000 So if you had read, you know, a feminist article about MMA seven years ago, it would have been all about, like, toxic masculinity and male aggression and all this stuff.

02:39:45.000 But as soon as Ronda Rousey was doing it, it's like, that's our girl.

02:39:47.000 Let's go do it. 1.00

02:39:48.000 Dirty comedy, offensive comedy, they're like, no, fuck that. 1.00

02:39:52.000 That's your male... 1.00

02:39:52.000 But as soon as Amy Schumer's doing it, it's like, let's go. 1.00

02:39:54.000 Like, they love...

02:39:56.000 For a woman to do all the things that they always said they hate. 1.00

02:39:59.000 And the crazy thing is like, they'll say these things where it's like, you know, like women, whatever it is, like women are...

02:40:06.000 You know, whatever percentage, like 51% of the population and they're only like 10% of Congress or something.

02:40:11.000 I'm just making these numbers up.

02:40:12.000 It's something like in that ballpark.

02:40:13.000 And they'll be like, well, this is a problem.

02:40:15.000 And you're like, well, wait a minute.

02:40:16.000 I mean, I'm all for freedom.

02:40:17.000 So if there's any barrier in someone's way, get that out of there.

02:40:20.000 But if people are free and like men choose to go be politicians and women more choose to go into like, you know, like nursing and like these other like kind of like maternalistic fields that women go into a lot.

02:40:31.000 And you're like, okay, so like Are you sure the answer is just that they should be more like men?

02:40:37.000 Maybe this is like saying something better about women. 0.77

02:40:39.000 Men are going into ruling over other people and women are going into a nurturing field.

02:40:44.000 Maybe the fact that women prioritize family over money is not a bad thing that needs to be reorganized. 1.00

02:40:50.000 Maybe that's a great thing.

02:40:52.000 There's going to be some women that choose to pursue a career at the very highest levels of capitalism and there's going to be some that have zero Interest in doing that. 1.00

02:41:01.000 And that's the same with men as well.

02:41:03.000 It's just, we can't deny the patterns that we see.

02:41:07.000 What we should figure out is like, are there barriers?

02:41:10.000 If there's barriers, unjust barriers to keep women from things, and I'm sure there are, those things we should concentrate on.

02:41:17.000 But concentrating on leveling the number of people in Congress, and that's essentially sexual affirmative action. 1.00

02:41:23.000 You want to get more women in those positions because you think that, well, how many women do you have running? 1.00

02:41:27.000 That's when you get Hillary Clinton. 1.00

02:41:29.000 Meaning, like, we want a woman to be president. 1.00

02:41:30.000 Okay, how about a lying old lady who faints a lot? 1.00

02:41:33.000 Is that one okay? 1.00

02:41:35.000 You'd be like, no, well, that's ridiculous. 0.90

02:41:36.000 Well, that's what you got. 0.99

02:41:37.000 When you wanted to get only women, you got that one, okay? 1.00

02:41:40.000 So, what the fuck do you want to do now? 0.99

02:41:42.000 Because what you're doing is, you can't just decide that you only want, you know, you want 50% men, 50% women, and all. 0.98

02:41:49.000 What about coal mining? 0.99

02:41:50.000 You want to have 50% of women die in fucking coal mining accidents? 1.00

02:41:53.000 You know the disproportionate number of men who die on the job? 1.00

02:41:56.000 It's staggering.

02:41:57.000 But that's my point with the feminist thing. 1.00

02:41:59.000 This is why they'll be like, well, we're just for equality.

02:42:03.000 It's like, okay, well, if you're just for equality, how come I never hear about how the workplace death rate is disproportionately men?

02:42:09.000 I don't mean disproportionately a little bit.

02:42:11.000 It's like over 90% men.

02:42:13.000 How about prison sentencing differences?

02:42:14.000 These are major, major things.

02:42:16.000 Where people die or get thrown in a cage.

02:42:19.000 But, you know, that doesn't come up at all. 0.99

02:42:20.000 Well, they do if it's black men. 0.99

02:42:22.000 Well, that's right. 0.97

02:42:24.000 But then, of course, it's also got to be the black struggle.

02:42:27.000 Racism. 0.98

02:42:28.000 White male racism.

02:42:28.000 And that's linked with the woman's struggle.

02:42:31.000 Like, the black struggle.

02:42:32.000 They've kind of piggybacked onto that, which I really can't stand.

02:42:35.000 They should piggyback onto LBGTQW. Well, they kind of are. 1.00

02:42:39.000 I mean, I hear that all the time.

02:42:40.000 I heard one person on MSNBC, and they were like, we just care about the rights of women and minorities and LGBT people and immigrants and something else.

02:42:49.000 And I was like, just say not white men. 0.60

02:42:52.000 Can I just save you some time? 0.96

02:42:54.000 Say not straight cis white men. 0.93

02:42:56.000 That's who we don't. 0.91

02:42:57.000 Everyone else.

02:42:58.000 You're naming them all in groups.

02:42:59.000 So just say it.

02:43:00.000 Just cut to the chase.

02:43:01.000 Just for time.

02:43:01.000 And they're doing it to align themselves.

02:43:03.000 They're doing it to align themselves with other people that are going to have their back and agree with them.

02:43:06.000 And they go to war with it that way.

02:43:08.000 Yeah.

02:43:09.000 And it becomes this thing, like what you said before, where you go, if there's any barriers, let's remove them.

02:43:14.000 But then you get to a certain point where you're just like, if we're being honest, there are no real barriers.

02:43:18.000 There are no real barriers.

02:43:20.000 There's got to be some.

02:43:21.000 And if there are, let's go after them.

02:43:23.000 But just on the big picture, like talking about things, if you're like a woman who really wants to do something in 2017 in a first world country like the United States of America, I don't see... 0.89

02:43:34.000 I mean, there are laws against paying a woman less than a man at the same job.

02:43:38.000 There are all these rules.

02:43:39.000 There are lots of people who will actually bend over backward because they're really looking to have diversity.

02:43:47.000 Corporations really love diversity.

02:43:48.000 Everyone in show business knows that's true.

02:43:51.000 It's like, okay, I don't see a real barrier, but then when they can't find one, they'll kind of create this barrier that you can't see.

02:44:00.000 So if we give people a bunch of freedom and then women make certain choices and men make certain choices and this leads to, on average, men making 23% more than women, then they go, well, And I go, well, there's no barrier.

02:44:11.000 It's just women making choices. 1.00

02:44:12.000 They go, well, there's this barrier called patriarchy that's there somehow.

02:44:17.000 You know, and we've got to like...

02:44:18.000 It's because these women have been socialized into thinking that they're... 1.00

02:44:22.000 So then they'll find this thing that you can't prove or disprove.

02:44:25.000 You can't test.

02:44:26.000 It's just kind of like, but we live in a rape culture. 1.00

02:44:29.000 Right.

02:44:29.000 It's like fighting terrorism.

02:44:30.000 The war on terror. 1.00

02:44:31.000 It's the same shit. 1.00

02:44:32.000 It's like, well, if it's just an idea, I guess we're always fighting that idea. 1.00

02:44:35.000 Yeah.

02:44:35.000 And until women assume the power position, and there's a disproportionate number of women in Congress, a disproportionate number of women who are police officers, and women who are judges, and women who are lawyers, and women who are in all positions of power, if men feel the heavy boot of the oppressive woman,

02:44:53.000 until then... 1.00

02:44:54.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:44:55.000 And it's all so ridiculous. 1.00

02:44:58.000 It's just all so silly. 0.98

02:45:00.000 It's like, what area of life is there where things are proportionally representative? 0.99

02:45:04.000 Well, black people in basketball. 0.63

02:45:06.000 No, no, proportionately.

02:45:07.000 I'm saying proportionately.

02:45:09.000 So they don't make up 13% of basketball.

02:45:11.000 I'm joking, yeah.

02:45:11.000 I mean, it's like, where do you find the- That's racist.

02:45:15.000 We need to even that out.

02:45:16.000 Yes, absolutely.

02:45:17.000 Get more white people in there. 0.81

02:45:18.000 More Asians and white people in the NBA. Slow that game down a little bit. 1.00

02:45:21.000 Make it easier to follow.

02:45:22.000 Yeah, more black people in hockey. 0.99

02:45:24.000 That's a mess. 1.00

02:45:26.000 But it's all just so, it's all so fucking like... 0.93

02:45:29.000 We should celebrate the differences we have. 1.00

02:45:31.000 And just don't be a cunt. 1.00

02:45:33.000 Don't be racist. 1.00

02:45:34.000 That's it.

02:45:34.000 You know, that's it.

02:45:35.000 Don't be sexist.

02:45:36.000 Don't be racist. 0.90

02:45:36.000 But you don't get brownie points just because you're a chick. 0.90

02:45:39.000 You don't.

02:45:40.000 No, and you shouldn't.

02:45:40.000 And you shouldn't get into this thing where it's like, and I know, it's like, I've heard, like, people, uh, particularly, like, uh, um, left-wing leaning feminists, or, or, like, so, female comics who are feminists, who I know several of.

02:45:53.000 How dare you.

02:45:54.000 And I've, uh, yes, I know.

02:45:55.000 Are you calling people out?

02:45:56.000 Calling them out without calling them out?

02:45:57.000 Not by name, but, uh.

02:45:58.000 Okay. 0.97

02:45:58.000 But I've heard, and they'll get very, and one of them said to me once they go, you know, Dave, your whole thing is just that you hate women. 0.97

02:46:04.000 Oh, that's adorable.

02:46:05.000 But it's like, hate women?

02:46:06.000 Like, what do you- I saw a woman say that to Brian Posehn, and you know what he said?

02:46:09.000 It was hilarious.

02:46:10.000 He goes, you know what?

02:46:11.000 I've heard that before, and every woman that said that, I hated.

02:46:15.000 That really is a great response. 1.00

02:46:17.000 Because it was a stupid argument. 1.00

02:46:19.000 It is! 1.00

02:46:19.000 She was just like saying like in a blanket statement, you hate women. 1.00

02:46:23.000 No, no, you.

02:46:24.000 But I just go, and I challenge a lot of people on the left who talk about race or sexism and these things.

02:46:32.000 I just challenge you to just entertain the possibility for like one second.

02:46:38.000 Entertain the possibility that you're not right about all of this stuff and that the correct position is to treat everybody equal.

02:46:45.000 Now, I know that sounds really, really wild and out there, and I'm not taking into account my white privilege and the history, but just entertain for one second the possibility that the correct answer is to treat everybody equal and not judge them based on their race. 0.95

02:46:55.000 And then if you entertain that for one second, you'll start realizing, like, oh, holy shit, if that's true, I'm really the one being the bigot here. 0.72

02:47:02.000 I've seen this, so, like, um... 0.96

02:47:05.000 You know the Roast Battle shows they have down at the Comedy Store?

02:47:08.000 Sure.

02:47:08.000 And they started doing them in New York, too, now.

02:47:10.000 They're really popular.

02:47:11.000 There are, like, these group of female comics that will come out, and I don't even begrudge them for this, but they'll come out and just hardcore, like, root for the female comic. 0.93

02:47:20.000 Okay.

02:47:21.000 Like, they'll post about, like, just want to see more women succeed at Roast Battle, coming out tonight to cheer on my girl, blah, blah. 0.99

02:47:26.000 And there'll be this dynamic where, like, their first two jokes, you know, they'll just get this, like, it's just like, you know...

02:47:31.000 Female voices from the corner where the comics hang, like super, super loud for the chick comic. 0.64

02:47:37.000 And like, whatever.

02:47:38.000 I don't begrudge them anything.

02:47:39.000 Like, fine, come do that.

02:47:40.000 But it's just like those same people who will be like, you're like against women.

02:47:42.000 Like, I would never in a million years go out to a show and be like, I'm just rooting for the men today.

02:47:50.000 Like, I don't think this way.

02:47:52.000 I'm not like on team man, but you are on team women. 1.00

02:47:55.000 Like, it just seems to me that there's a lot of that going on.

02:47:59.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

02:47:59.000 A lot of that shit. 1.00

02:48:00.000 Where it's like, you kind of project this thing that you see racism everywhere, or you see sexism everywhere, but all I really see is you fucking lecturing people based on racism. 1.00

02:48:10.000 Well, in their mind, they're allowed to do it the same way Cain Velasquez is allowed to have brown pride in his chest. 0.96

02:48:15.000 Yeah.

02:48:15.000 Kind of the same thing.

02:48:16.000 Like, you're disenfranchised or you're marginalized, so you're allowed to stay. 0.88

02:48:21.000 Even if you're not, you're playing that victim card as a woman and you're allowed to say, I'm here to support my girl.

02:48:27.000 Like, I was talking about this on stage the other day.

02:48:28.000 I saw a bumper sticker on a car. 0.99

02:48:30.000 It said, girls kick ass. 1.00

02:48:31.000 And I was like... 1.00

02:48:33.000 Some of them.

02:48:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:48:34.000 Some of them are lazy slobs. 0.99

02:48:36.000 Like, what are you going to align yourself with 150 million women just in this country alone? 1.00

02:48:39.000 That's ridiculous. 1.00

02:48:40.000 And I'm saying, if a guy had a bumper sticker that said, boys kick ass, he'd be like, follow that guy and find out where he's been fucking these kids. 1.00

02:48:48.000 Because, first of all, you'd never say boys. 1.00

02:48:50.000 Boys kick ass? 0.99

02:48:51.000 You'd put that on your bumper sticker? 1.00

02:48:52.000 Who the fuck are you? 1.00

02:48:53.000 You'd pull them over. 1.00

02:48:54.000 Let me see your license.

02:48:55.000 Where do you live, man?

02:48:56.000 What do you do for a living?

02:48:57.000 What's that bumper sticker about? 0.99

02:48:58.000 What the fuck do you mean by that? 0.99

02:49:00.000 Yes. 0.99

02:49:00.000 And I don't need, like, I almost feel like an asshole sometimes where I preface everything with a disclaimer, like, and I'm not saying this, but I just wanted to be clear that, like, I'm not saying there aren't exceptions to the rule, but it's also kind of strange to me that, like, if you want to celebrate women, why are you celebrating such a masculine quality? 0.99

02:49:16.000 Like, it's kind of like, it's like, look, there are white players who are great basketball players, right? 0.95

02:49:20.000 There are white, Dirk Nowitzki was an amazing basketball player, but if I just wrote somewhere like, white people kick ass at basketball, it's like, well... 0.97

02:49:28.000 Actually, they don't in general. 1.00

02:49:31.000 Women don't kick ass in general. 1.00

02:49:32.000 Generally speaking, that's a male thing to do. 1.00

02:49:35.000 I'm not saying there's not exceptions to that, but you're writing white people kick ass at basketball. 0.99

02:49:39.000 It's kind of misleading. 0.99

02:49:41.000 Right.

02:49:41.000 Well, there's that thing that's coming out, that movie with Steve Carell, where he plays that man who had a tennis match against Billie Jean King, and he was barely ranked.

02:49:50.000 He was a terrible tennis player, and he fucked Billie Jean King up.

02:49:53.000 And he was sort of mocking her the whole way, and it was a real hallmark moment. 0.98

02:49:57.000 I don't know about that.

02:49:58.000 Oh, really?

02:49:59.000 So he just played a female tennis player?

02:50:01.000 He was a professional tennis player, but he wasn't the best.

02:50:03.000 And Billie Jean King was the best woman in the world.

02:50:05.000 And they played, and the Steve Carell character beat her.

02:50:09.000 Wasn't that what happened?

02:50:11.000 I believe that's what happened.

02:50:12.000 I'm getting them conflated with Renee Richards, the guy who used to be a man, and then became a transgender woman and started stomping everybody in tennis. 0.99

02:50:20.000 He was like, terrible as a man!

02:50:22.000 And then he became a woman who was one of the best in the world.

02:50:24.000 And like, but there's no biological difference! 1.00

02:50:26.000 Even without a penis, he's still stomping him. 0.98

02:50:29.000 It again is like so funny because once you, it's so funny like how much this stuff starts undermining their own arguments. 0.99

02:50:35.000 She won that.

02:50:36.000 The Billie Jean King one?

02:50:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:50:37.000 I didn't get that wrong.

02:50:38.000 So I got wrong the Rene Richard one.

02:50:40.000 Yeah, that's what I confused.

02:50:42.000 And he was like particularly gross, right?

02:50:46.000 And Steve Carell plays him really well in the movie.

02:50:48.000 Same Steve Carell who played that crazy guy in that wrestling movie.

02:50:53.000 He did a really great job with that.

02:50:54.000 What a creepy story.

02:50:55.000 What a crazy story that was.

02:50:57.000 You ever see the ESPN 30 for 30 on that?

02:50:58.000 Yes, I did.

02:50:58.000 So good, man.

02:50:59.000 I mean, you know, not good in the sense that the story's not good, but such a compelling, unbelievable story.

02:51:05.000 Oh my God.

02:51:05.000 Yeah.

02:51:06.000 So when Steve Carell played that character, and then you watch the video of the actual character, they're like, whoa, like he just nailed that guy.

02:51:14.000 Steve Carell's an incredible talent. 0.99

02:51:16.000 Oh, he's such a good fucking actor, man. 0.99

02:51:18.000 To be that funny of a comedian and that good of a dramatic actor is fucking pretty incredible. 0.99

02:51:22.000 I guess his comedy, though, is always kind of his acting.

02:51:25.000 That's his strength in comedy.

02:51:26.000 He'd own that character.

02:51:28.000 Roger Federer said that recently, and he got in trouble, right?

02:51:31.000 The best women... 0.64

02:51:32.000 No, it wasn't Roger Federer.

02:51:34.000 What's his name?

02:51:34.000 The older guy.

02:51:36.000 John McEnroe.

02:51:38.000 McEnroe.

02:51:38.000 McEnroe said that...

02:51:39.000 And they let him into it.

02:51:42.000 He started by saying Serena was the best female player.

02:51:45.000 And then they go, why female? 0.99

02:51:47.000 And he was like, well, what do you mean?

02:51:49.000 Because I think she's the best female player. 1.00

02:51:51.000 He goes, well, why female? 0.83

02:51:52.000 Why not say male?

02:51:52.000 He goes, because the men are way better.

02:51:55.000 He was literally just answering the question.

02:51:57.000 I started off giving this woman an extraordinary compliment.

02:52:00.000 That was the story I remember.

02:52:01.000 Didn't Serena play against an unranked male player? 0.99

02:52:05.000 They used to play when they were younger, I think. 0.99

02:52:08.000 She played against some guy, that was the story, and the guy kicked her ass, and everybody was like, what? 0.98

02:52:13.000 It just seems to me to be this thing where I kind of look at, obviously, like, we're talking generalizations here, and there are exceptions, like, you know what I'm saying? 0.99

02:52:20.000 Like, there are, like, you know, uh, uh, Ronda Rousey could beat the shit out of me. 0.96

02:52:24.000 Well, you're not a fighter, though. 0.96

02:52:25.000 I still use her as an example.

02:52:26.000 But it's a bad example because you're not a fighter.

02:52:28.000 No, but I'm just making the point that, like, if you have this stereotype that men are stronger than women or something like that, there are exceptions to the rule.

02:52:35.000 And I still use Ronda Rousey even though she's not champ anymore. 1.00

02:52:38.000 She's just still got that... 0.81

02:52:40.000 But I'm saying there are exceptions to the rule.

02:52:42.000 There are exceptions. 0.97

02:52:43.000 And to treat someone based on a group dynamic is ignorant.

02:52:50.000 I do think there are differences between men and women, generally speaking.

02:52:54.000 And if you believe that...

02:52:55.000 It's like, if we're gonna celebrate women, I just think it's kind of odd that we have to celebrate the most masculine achievements of women. 1.00

02:53:02.000 It's like celebrating them kicking ass. 0.99

02:53:04.000 There are these things that I feel like women are superior to men in that I'm very impressed by them. 1.00

02:53:10.000 Like, I just think women- Wait a minute, hold on, let me stop you. 1.00

02:53:12.000 Because you think that running a corporation is masculine?

02:53:15.000 Like, do you think that being involved in any creative endeavor is masculine?

02:53:18.000 No.

02:53:18.000 Do you think that being involved in anything in tech is masculine?

02:53:21.000 No, no.

02:53:21.000 But that's what they're talking about, right?

02:53:22.000 Well, I was more responding to the women kick ass. 1.00

02:53:26.000 But that's just a stupid bumper sticker. 1.00

02:53:27.000 No, you're right, it is. 1.00

02:53:28.000 But it's really just groupthink is what my issue with it was.

02:53:31.000 If you see things like...

02:53:32.000 Well, I just...

02:53:33.000 But the element I'm responding to is that kick-ass to me just seems to be kind of like a masculine thing.

02:53:38.000 I'm describing that as masculine. 1.00

02:53:39.000 Yeah, it was just one silly, stupid bumper sticker. 1.00

02:53:41.000 Sure, sure. 1.00

02:53:41.000 Girls like to say those things, right? 1.00

02:53:43.000 Yes, yes.

02:53:43.000 But I just think there's something about...

02:53:45.000 It seems to me like the nurturing element of femininity is almost like denigrated. 1.00

02:53:50.000 And the ass-kissy... 1.00

02:53:51.000 Ass-kicky element is like... 1.00

02:53:53.000 Is praised. 0.98

02:53:54.000 Where it's like... 0.72

02:53:55.000 If I'm talking kicking ass and nurture, and I'm talking men versus women, in general, just broad speaking, I tend to think of one being male and one being female. 0.93

02:54:05.000 Right. 0.91

02:54:06.000 To wrap this all up and bring it all down, I think we'd all be better off, male, women, white, black, Asian, whatever, if we're just reasonable, nice people.

02:54:13.000 You know?

02:54:14.000 And that's the real problem, is that we lock off, as we've been discussing all day, into these camps.

02:54:20.000 And we are on camp white male, and we are on camp black male, or camp gay, or camp transgender, or camp woman.

02:54:28.000 And we just lock into these ideologies, and we hate anybody else different. 1.00

02:54:31.000 And we have these divisive things that we say, like, all white men are trash unless proven otherwise. 1.00

02:54:37.000 You know, like that kind of crazy shit. 1.00

02:54:39.000 Like, you're setting it up so the guy's like, sorry, sorry. 0.99

02:54:42.000 Like, you come in sorry.

02:54:43.000 So it's not me.

02:54:44.000 I didn't do it.

02:54:45.000 Instead of just being a reasonable, normal person. 0.98

02:54:47.000 But there's not enough reasonable, normal people, so women are constantly dealing with assholes, so they develop these kind of patterns of behavior. 1.00

02:54:54.000 They think about men as being these intrusive, shitty people who just want to get in your pants, and really don't care about you, and they're manipulative, and they just want to fuck you. 1.00

02:55:02.000 When you say it, I mean, that is somewhat true. 1.00

02:55:04.000 That does kind of describe us.

02:55:05.000 And then men think of women as being manipulative, too.

02:55:07.000 Always looking for the bigger, better deal. 1.00

02:55:09.000 You know, they're going to fuck their personal trainer while you're at work. 1.00

02:55:12.000 And we think about getting divorced and losing all your money because you were too stupid. 1.00

02:55:16.000 You didn't sign a prenuptial agreement. 1.00

02:55:17.000 She has some kick-ass attorney and then you're fucked. 1.00

02:55:20.000 We all know guys who have experienced that before, too. 1.00

02:55:23.000 She lies about you beating the kids and then she gets full custody. 1.00

02:55:26.000 Like, that's all real.

02:55:27.000 But then the good stuff is all real, too.

02:55:29.000 You know what I mean?

02:55:29.000 It's like, that's all real, and that does happen.

02:55:31.000 But then there's also, like, the chick who just, like, gives a guy, like, you know, like, the security and confidence he never had to go be great.

02:55:36.000 There's the guy who, like, does support his chick through, like, her endeavors, and, like, you know, it's like, so it's like, you gotta, you know, it's like that The hurricane in Houston kind of put some perspective on that for me where it's like you know it's like you see just like all these people it's like Antifa verse Nazis is the state of the country and then you see like this this horrible hurricane happened and just the acts of kindness after where you see these people like like young guys like like these group of like 20 year olds maybe they were I saw who took their like their like motorboats down to Houston and are pulling old people out of like their homes and

02:56:06.000 you're like god damn it motherfucker like that's our country too! 1.00

02:56:10.000 It's all real. 1.00

02:56:11.000 The Nazis are our country too, but that guy's our country too. 0.98

02:56:14.000 What that is also is people responding to a very real problem, where it really unites people.

02:56:18.000 They feel like they have to help each other.

02:56:20.000 Because it's a real problem.

02:56:21.000 Most of the time we're separated from each other by buildings and cars, and there's this weird alienation we have with one another.

02:56:27.000 It's one of the reasons why places of high density, you get much more liberal ideologies, or liberal in terms of like accepting, I should say, not necessarily conservative, but there's a lot of that too.

02:56:38.000 Democratic versus conservative, or left-wing versus conservative.

02:56:40.000 But these big population cultures, people interact with each other more.

02:56:44.000 You know, you don't get the same kind of racism.

02:56:46.000 You know, you get less, and it's less accepting, I think, in like maybe say New York City, than probably anywhere.

02:56:51.000 Because in New York City, especially in Manhattan, everybody's got to interact.

02:56:54.000 I'm not saying you don't encounter it.

02:56:55.000 You certainly do on both sides.

02:56:57.000 White racism, black racism, you're gonna encounter racism.

02:57:00.000 It's a flaw in human nature. 1.00

02:57:02.000 The same thing that we're talking about with the assholes with the tiki torches. 1.00

02:57:06.000 It's a flaw. 0.99

02:57:07.000 Everyone likes to feel like they're the best, and my team is the best, and my local bar is the best, and my aunt makes the best chili, and my aunt kicks that town's ass. 0.98

02:57:15.000 And it's like, no, your aunt does not make the world's best chili. 1.00

02:57:18.000 That's fucking ridiculous. 1.00

02:57:19.000 She might. 1.00

02:57:19.000 The odds are very against it, let's just say. 1.00

02:57:21.000 It's a very, very low chance.

02:57:23.000 But people want to feel that way.

02:57:26.000 And so there will always be these certain kind of in-group preference things. 0.99

02:57:30.000 But like you said, I do think growing up in New York City, you also just see And this is the beautiful thing that we fucking lost in America that sucks. 0.98

02:57:39.000 But it's like freedom does fucking bring people together. 0.98

02:57:42.000 And capitalism, even though it's become a dirty word. 1.00

02:57:44.000 Like, all that shit brings people together, man. 0.99

02:57:46.000 Like, I'm a Jew, and I can go on a New York City street and put my hand out, and like a Muslim guy comes and picks me up and drops me off at home. 0.99

02:57:53.000 You just use Uber, dude.

02:57:55.000 You're wasting your time with all that?

02:57:56.000 I mean, to be honest, I really do use Uber, but it's less Muslims. 1.00

02:57:59.000 Do you use Lyft or Uber?

02:57:59.000 I was doing Lyft, and now I just switched over to Uber.

02:58:03.000 Do you feel bad that Uber was getting locked out of London?

02:58:05.000 Like, I'm going to step up and help out Uber.

02:58:06.000 I don't know about that.

02:58:08.000 I knew they were locked out of Austin, I think.

02:58:10.000 Austin?

02:58:11.000 Austin, Texas.

02:58:11.000 They left there.

02:58:12.000 I think they're locked out of London now. 0.99

02:58:14.000 I think the mayor just said that the way they operate sucks. 1.00

02:58:16.000 Fuck off. 1.00

02:58:17.000 Well, I do love... 1.00

02:58:18.000 I love anything that undermines government monopoly, so I thought it was great that they undermined that whole medallion thing.

02:58:23.000 I think technology that undermines the government is the most beautiful thing ever.

02:58:27.000 You know that Waze app?

02:58:30.000 They have that now in New York City.

02:58:31.000 They'll tell you if there's a camera on the next red light.

02:58:35.000 They'll tell you if there's a cop on the highway waiting to check They'll be like, police ahead.

02:58:40.000 So there's literally this system where the cops will sit there and wait for someone to come speeding so they can come extort you for some money.

02:58:47.000 Do you understand how that works?

02:58:48.000 The Waze thing, that it's just people calling in.

02:58:50.000 So cops call in fake cars.

02:58:52.000 I did not know that, but I knew that it was other people calling in.

02:58:55.000 People are very upset because the police officers actually call in fake cop on the side of the road calls.

02:59:01.000 But so what is that doing, making people drive the speed limit?

02:59:03.000 It just fucks it up.

02:59:04.000 It's crying wolf. 0.95

02:59:05.000 So you basically just don't believe it as much anymore?

02:59:07.000 It's interesting.

02:59:07.000 But I thought there was something really beautiful about that.

02:59:09.000 But is that to serve or protect?

02:59:11.000 I get so confused.

02:59:12.000 No, I mean, that's their third thing.

02:59:15.000 Serve, protect, and rule.

02:59:16.000 And fake you out.

02:59:18.000 They're juking you.

02:59:19.000 But I thought when they first did it, what a beautiful thing that you're going like...

02:59:22.000 Because look, if you...

02:59:24.000 If you tell them there's a cop ahead, what you're going to do is make sure you're not speeding.

02:59:27.000 I mean, that's the only trick.

02:59:28.000 So essentially it's doing what you would claim the law wants you to do. 0.94

02:59:31.000 It's just doing it in a way where the state doesn't fucking extort you. 0.99

02:59:34.000 You know, of course, so then they'll start going, oh, we better fuck with that. 0.99

02:59:36.000 I do not let that work. 0.99

02:59:38.000 Yeah, they'll eventually figure out a way around that.

02:59:40.000 Or we're going to get to a point, I think, in our lifetimes where it's impossible to lie.

02:59:44.000 I think that's where it's headed.

02:59:45.000 And I think that's going to solve a lot of our issues socially.

02:59:48.000 A lot of our issues politically.

02:59:49.000 We're going to understand motivations behind things in a way...

02:59:52.000 Like, maybe motivations will seem color-coded.

02:59:54.000 That is...

02:59:55.000 Like, when someone's envious, you'll literally see green with some new program we're all running.

02:59:59.000 But I think what you're saying, like, we've already started to see it.

03:00:02.000 And it's like...

03:00:03.000 It's much, much harder.

03:00:05.000 It's much, much harder for people to pull off lying.

03:00:08.000 It was much harder for Hillary Clinton to pull off than for traditional politics in the past because they're leaking everything online now. 1.00

03:00:13.000 And it's just harder for the government or the big corporations or the media to convince you of this narrative.

03:00:18.000 It's getting harder and harder.

03:00:20.000 We haven't figured out exactly how to move it in a good direction, but you see the control that they have.

03:00:26.000 Being undermined.

03:00:27.000 The control of the mainstream media is being undermined.

03:00:30.000 The control of universities.

03:00:31.000 Well, it's already gone.

03:00:32.000 The internet has sort of eroded all the control of mainstream media.

03:00:36.000 CNN is now called fake news a million times a day all throughout the country.

03:00:41.000 I mean, people are constantly calling...

03:00:42.000 That's right.

03:00:43.000 The president calls it fake news. 1.00

03:00:44.000 It's fucking CNN. Oh, that's right. 1.00

03:00:46.000 And then you say, like, when you said earlier in the show about, you know, Fox News had had a monopoly on right-wing news. 0.98

03:00:53.000 Well, that's fucking over. 0.93

03:00:54.000 I mean, look at the, like, Ben Shapiro comes on your shows. 0.99

03:00:56.000 Look at the numbers that thing does.

03:00:58.000 I mean, it's like, oh, yeah, Fox News has a big competitor on their hands now.

03:01:01.000 And all these other guys at Crowder and all these guys are, like, huge.

03:01:04.000 And all of the, if you look at, like...

03:01:06.000 Ben Jordan, who's more, you know, like, he calls himself a classic British liberal.

03:01:10.000 He looks at it that way, which is sort of a different definition.

03:01:13.000 It's more of a pragmatic, sort of more conservative type.

03:01:18.000 More pragmatic, probably closest to what is called libertarian in American school of thought.

03:01:23.000 Like that's the classical liberal position.

03:01:25.000 But people disingenuously call him alt-right. 0.99

03:01:28.000 It's just so freaking ridiculous. 0.99

03:01:30.000 This is the thing where it's like everyone to the right of Bernie Sanders is a Nazi. 0.99

03:01:33.000 It's like these words don't even mean anything anymore. 0.68

03:01:36.000 They're just insults and then people shove them in your face and it's like lying Hillary. 1.00

03:01:39.000 Like that kind of thing.

03:01:40.000 Right. 0.91

03:01:41.000 But you take the most fucked up word you can think of to justify the legal position and then culturally you say, oh by the way, that word applies to everything. 1.00

03:01:48.000 So you know, it's like women are getting raped on college campus. 1.00

03:01:50.000 So we get the law passed. 0.99

03:01:52.000 Well, that's one of the real problems with a guy like Donald Trump, is that when he boils things down to these slogans, then they boil things down to slogans in return, and we just have a fucking fight where you're throwing rocks at each other. 0.97

03:02:01.000 That was one of the amazing things about Trump and the moment, is that Trump comes out, he's like this simplistic buffoon, and in the normal mind you're like, well, at some point he's going to meet a... 0.98

03:02:12.000 A professional who will embarrass him. 0.79

03:02:14.000 And then you start to realize after a while, there's just no professional.

03:02:17.000 It's like, he had no plans, neither did Hillary Clinton.

03:02:19.000 They were all completely empty.

03:02:21.000 The difference between him versus Hillary versus what we just had with Mitt Romney versus Obama.

03:02:26.000 Two really reasonable, well-spoken people who are accomplished and quite intelligent, although one of them believes in nonsense.

03:02:34.000 I don't know which one.

03:02:35.000 They both believe in nonsense, right? 0.98

03:02:36.000 They both believe in a lot of nonsense. 0.97

03:02:38.000 But one of them believes in nonsense. 0.89

03:02:39.000 One of them is wearing magical underwear at a presidential debate. 0.97

03:02:44.000 Yeah, he has to, or it goes straight to a cabin in hell.

03:02:47.000 You have to stay there with no satellite TV. I don't know what the rule is.

03:02:51.000 You only get two of your wives to join you. 1.00

03:02:54.000 I just hope that we sling back. 0.72

03:02:55.000 I hope we have this blowback this way, and I hope, I don't know who's going to emerge Between now and 2020, but it's going to have to be someone that's interesting, right?

03:03:05.000 It's going to have to be someone that we look at and go, okay, this is a viable alternative to what we're currently dealing with. 0.97

03:03:11.000 And they probably shouldn't say shit for a long time. 0.97

03:03:13.000 They should probably just build up and prepare and just constantly say, I'm not running. 0.99

03:03:19.000 I'm not running.

03:03:19.000 I don't know, man.

03:03:20.000 I don't know if there's any bringing this thing back together, the United States of America.

03:03:24.000 Really?

03:03:24.000 I think we might be going our separate ways in the future.

03:03:27.000 I just think we might be headed toward Some type of Soviet-style breakup.

03:03:32.000 What?

03:03:33.000 Like where some of the countries still exist, but we're not all a part of the same thing.

03:03:38.000 I look at these two trends that I see happening, right?

03:03:41.000 And one is, and this to me is the biggest moral issue of our time, but the continued growth of the state.

03:03:47.000 Right.

03:03:49.000 Which always happens.

03:03:50.000 Just like a corporation, universal growth, they want to get bigger and stronger every year.

03:03:54.000 Yeah, pretty much always seems to happen.

03:03:57.000 Corporations always want to grow.

03:03:58.000 A lot of them go out of business, but they always want to get bigger.

03:04:01.000 Governments, they can force you to pay them.

03:04:03.000 So it's a lot easier for them to grow.

03:04:05.000 And most of advanced societies start as a constitution with a somewhat limited government, and then it grows and grows and grows.

03:04:11.000 The big appeal of Trump, the only appeal.

03:04:13.000 Drain the swamp.

03:04:14.000 That was the big one.

03:04:15.000 And a lot of it was, you know, some of it was good.

03:04:18.000 The idea of draining the swamp is good.

03:04:20.000 And not fighting these wars anymore, I think, is really great.

03:04:22.000 But, you know, you have this thing where we live under the biggest government, most powerful government in the history of the world.

03:04:29.000 I mean, there's never been a government that spends four trillion dollars that can drone bomb anyone on the planet.

03:04:34.000 We have bases all over the world, hundreds of different countries, or at least well over a hundred.

03:04:41.000 And everything is going up.

03:04:44.000 I mean, every budget, you know, Bush spent the most ever, then Obama spent the most ever, Trump will outspend Obama, no question about it.

03:04:50.000 And all of the major, major problems that I see are a direct result of this, like the longest wars in American history, the mass incarceration rate, spying on all of our citizens, record debt, you know, like all of these things are a result of government being way too big and way too out of control.

03:05:04.000 And then at the same time, while we're like spending ourselves too far into debt, Way too extended militarily.

03:05:11.000 The culture is also completely decaying.

03:05:13.000 And we're more at war with each other than we've ever been.

03:05:15.000 And like I said before, we go from like, you know, a Buckley-Vidal debate to Trump-Clinton.

03:05:21.000 Like, we've had a Jerry Springer culture, and now we've got a Jerry Springer president to go with it.

03:05:26.000 And I just see this culture breaking up, the government getting too big.

03:05:30.000 I don't know how this all works out so that we're all friends again.

03:05:33.000 Mushrooms.

03:05:34.000 Maybe.

03:05:35.000 Maybe that's the answer.

03:05:36.000 Mushrooms is the only way.

03:05:36.000 Spoken like a true white man.

03:05:38.000 Great privilege.

03:05:39.000 Dave, we've got to wrap this up.

03:05:40.000 Thank you very much, man.

03:05:41.000 It's always an awesome time having you on.

03:05:43.000 I just put a new comedy special out, so I just wanted to mention that.

03:05:46.000 Just put out my debut comedy special.

03:05:47.000 It's called Libertas, and you can get it at gasdigitalnetwork.com.

03:05:51.000 The album is number one on iTunes.

03:05:53.000 Woo! 0.99

03:05:54.000 And your podcast, plug that, iTunes.

03:05:56.000 Part of the problem, Legion of Skanks, also both available on iTunes.

03:05:59.000 All my stuff's at GasDigitalNetwork.com.

03:06:01.000 Dude, we've got to do this more often.

03:06:02.000 I can't wait to do it again, brother. 0.98

03:06:04.000 Dave Smith, ladies and gentlemen, we'll see you fucks tomorrow. 1.00

03:06:08.000 Oh, thanks, brother. 0.99

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 25, 2017

Joe Rogan Experience #1014 - Dave Smith

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