The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1047 - Andy Stumpf

00:00:00.000 Yee-haw! 1.00

00:00:01.000 Andy Stump!

00:00:02.000 We're here, ladies and gentlemen.

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00:00:05.000 We're drinking something that my friend Ben O'Brien invented.

00:00:09.000 It's called a rye brain. 0.90

00:00:10.000 It's a whiskey and alpha brain.

00:00:13.000 And it's delicious.

00:00:14.000 And a Yeti tumbler.

00:00:15.000 Cheers.

00:00:16.000 Cheers, my brother.

00:00:17.000 Good to see you, buddy.

00:00:18.000 Yeah, man.

00:00:18.000 It's been a while.

00:00:20.000 You're living the good life.

00:00:21.000 Hey, I'm still kicking, you know?

00:00:22.000 It's another good day.

00:00:23.000 I'm still vertical.

00:00:24.000 Yeah, but you're living the good life, man.

00:00:26.000 You're out doing what I want to do. 0.99

00:00:27.000 You're out there in the fucking great state of Montana. 1.00

00:00:30.000 You escaped. 0.99

00:00:31.000 I landed on Saturday, and I lived in San Diego for, I think, almost 10 years.

00:00:37.000 Love San Diego.

00:00:38.000 No complaints about California.

00:00:40.000 It's beautiful.

00:00:41.000 The beaches, there's mountains, all that stuff.

00:00:43.000 I love it.

00:00:44.000 Landed in San Diego, got in the rental car, was going out to skydive, and couldn't even see the mountains out by where I'm going to go jump because it was all hazy and smoggy.

00:00:53.000 And it took me longer to get out of the parking lot than it does to get back to my house, go shoot the bow in the backyard, go do a workout.

00:01:01.000 I was still in the San Diego International parking lot.

00:01:04.000 So I can't wait to go back.

00:01:06.000 Yeah, there's good and bad.

00:01:07.000 There's good things about the big city life. 0.90

00:01:10.000 You can get a lot of great restaurants, a lot of cool shit, but you've already done that. 0.51

00:01:16.000 We moved to a town that has 22,000 people from a subdivision of San Diego that had 260,000 people. 0.86

00:01:24.000 And I honestly, my only regret is that it took us so long to pull the trigger on doing it.

00:01:29.000 It is unbelievable.

00:01:31.000 And have you done the winter yet there yet?

00:01:35.000 Winter's coming.

00:01:37.000 It's coming!

00:01:38.000 So you haven't done it yet.

00:01:40.000 I visited the winter last year.

00:01:42.000 We were there for the whole month of December.

00:01:43.000 There was a few days.

00:01:44.000 It was negative 10. Okay.

00:01:46.000 Which I found if you stand close enough to the fire, it feels just fine.

00:01:50.000 Yeah, man.

00:01:50.000 Just wear a nice, thick, like a real good jacket.

00:01:54.000 You know, wear good...

00:01:57.000 Wool undergarments, you could be alright.

00:01:59.000 I know some people who work in the industry to make the cold weather gear, just from my old job, and they send me some stuff, so it's really not that bad.

00:02:06.000 And there's some things in life that I will spend good money on.

00:02:09.000 Cold weather gear, rain gear, just pony up and pay the extra money because it's going to pay off for you in the end. 1.00

00:02:16.000 Yeah, get some real shit. 0.99

00:02:17.000 My friend Tony lives in Columbus, Ohio, and the way he put it, he goes like, look... 1.00

00:02:21.000 He's like, here's the deal.

00:02:22.000 He goes, you can't really dress for hot weather.

00:02:25.000 He goes, but you could dress for cold weather.

00:02:27.000 He goes, you wear warm clothes in cold weather, you're fine. 0.95

00:02:30.000 He goes, but when it's hot out, it's just fucking hot out. 0.64

00:02:32.000 You gotta go indoors. 0.92

00:02:33.000 He's right.

00:02:34.000 Or you can nude up, but then once you get to that level, you're done.

00:02:37.000 Yeah, but even when you nude up, it's that hot.

00:02:40.000 But it's like LA has no weather.

00:02:42.000 It gets hot and that's it.

00:02:45.000 It rarely rains.

00:02:46.000 If it rains 20 days a year here, it's crazy.

00:02:49.000 Nobody knows what to do.

00:02:51.000 Inside, I'm not going to lie, I was laughing and very happy when you were posting about it.

00:02:55.000 It was like 105, 106. And up where we live is like 60. Beautiful bluebird skies, a little bit of a breeze.

00:03:02.000 Yeah, I bet you get sick nighttime starver-looking, too, right?

00:03:06.000 What's the stargazing up there?

00:03:08.000 It's not hard to get out of that light pollution.

00:03:13.000 We're fortunate we have...

00:03:14.000 Probably the reason we moved up there is we bought an investment property in 2016. And it's in the middle of nowhere, like probably 15 miles out.

00:03:22.000 And you want to talk about no light pollution and the ability just to look up.

00:03:25.000 And it doesn't look anything...

00:03:27.000 Unless you've experienced that, you can't describe how much you're missing out if you live in a city looking up.

00:03:32.000 It's unbelievable.

00:03:33.000 Yeah, it's weird, right?

00:03:34.000 It's one of the weirdest things about civilization that we've chosen to do that.

00:03:37.000 I know that a lot of...

00:03:39.000 There's a lot of talk about people having nights or one time of the year where everybody shuts their lights off.

00:03:48.000 And they have just a viewing of the stars, like a no light night.

00:03:53.000 Who's talking about doing this?

00:03:55.000 I've heard that before online. 0.98

00:03:56.000 I've heard people organizing light pollution observance day or some shit. 0.97

00:04:02.000 Yeah, I've heard some crazy things online. 0.91

00:04:04.000 I try to avoid most of the things that I hear about online.

00:04:08.000 Gatherings that start online.

00:04:09.000 I'm like, no. 0.98

00:04:10.000 The picture that I put of you with your flying squirrel suit flying over the fucking earth, I purposely chose it because you can see the curvature of the earth in the background. 0.93

00:04:19.000 Or can you, based on the comments? 0.99

00:04:21.000 Or can you, bro? 1.00

00:04:21.000 It's a fucking fisheye lens, bro! 1.00

00:04:23.000 Was that shot with a fisheye lens? 1.00

00:04:25.000 Whatever the GoPro comes with.

00:04:27.000 It's got a little bit of a curvature to it.

00:04:31.000 There you go.

00:04:33.000 I love that suit.

00:04:34.000 I was jumping that suit on Saturday.

00:04:37.000 There's some interesting comments in there.

00:04:38.000 The internet...

00:04:40.000 It's a very interesting environment that has no consequences and allows people to interact in a way they never would if they were sitting across like we are right now.

00:04:47.000 Yeah, and it also requires discipline in that regard, like the way people communicate with people.

00:04:53.000 It just, there's no discipline.

00:04:55.000 And in terms of like, conserve, like, just think about what you're gonna say.

00:05:01.000 Think about if a person was in front of you, think about how it's going to affect that person, and then proceed.

00:05:06.000 Nobody does that.

00:05:07.000 There's none of that.

00:05:07.000 I wouldn't say nobody does that.

00:05:10.000 Few and far between.

00:05:11.000 There's no consequences, especially if you're an anonymous person.

00:05:14.000 Just regular Joe Blow.

00:05:15.000 The egg.

00:05:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:05:16.000 And you got an egg, and it's like dickfuck6952, whatever your name is, and you just feel like talking shit. 1.00

00:05:23.000 I mean, I understand it. 1.00

00:05:25.000 If you put a quarter inch piece of glass in between me and another driver on the road, I've been known to say some interesting things that I wouldn't say to somebody in like a line at Starbucks if they bumped into me.

00:05:35.000 Do you know what that's from though?

00:05:36.000 What they say?

00:05:39.000 Scientists have kind of studied the human response to critical situations where you have to make split-second maneuvers, like high-stress situations.

00:05:49.000 You don't think of a car as being a high-stress situation, but when you're going 70 miles an hour, and every little thing is like, you're way more tuned in than you think you are.

00:05:59.000 So anything that happens is like... 1.00

00:06:01.000 Yes, motherfucker! 1.00

00:06:02.000 Like, you're way more ramped up. 1.00

00:06:04.000 That's where road rage comes from.

00:06:06.000 It comes from the fact that your brain is very aware that you're going to have to make split-second decisions.

00:06:12.000 So, even though you don't realize it, you're at seven all the time.

00:06:15.000 And just ready to flip to 11 when a guy comes- Ready to get crazy. 1.00

00:06:18.000 I'm gonna kill you, motherfucker! 1.00

00:06:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:06:20.000 I mean, I've seen people just lose their shit. 1.00

00:06:23.000 And by the way, here's the really crazy thing. 1.00

00:06:25.000 I've seen people lose their shit, and if it ever physically escalated, like they did pull over, they got out of their car, they'd be helpless. 0.99

00:06:32.000 They'd be helpless. 0.99

00:06:34.000 I've been with people.

00:06:35.000 I'm like, listen, man, you don't know how to fight at all.

00:06:37.000 Like, what are you doing?

00:06:39.000 You're starting a fight?

00:06:40.000 Yeah.

00:06:40.000 That's crazy.

00:06:41.000 Don't do that.

00:06:42.000 You're starting a fight and you're praying to God, or whatever you believe in, that this person doesn't actually follow you or pull over.

00:06:48.000 Yeah, they're in a car version of the egg on Twitter. 1.00

00:06:51.000 They just assume, like, fuck you, you're never gonna see me again, and this isn't real! 1.00

00:06:55.000 You piece of shit! 1.00

00:06:57.000 But sometimes it is real, you know? 1.00

00:06:59.000 I've seen people duking it out on the side of the road.

00:07:01.000 Oh, yeah.

00:07:01.000 Yeah.

00:07:02.000 And it's pretty ugly.

00:07:03.000 It doesn't go well for both parties, generally.

00:07:05.000 A buddy of mine from Jiu-Jitsu pulled over to the side of the road with a guy once, and they started duking it out, and they both knew how to fight.

00:07:11.000 It was crazy.

00:07:11.000 They were hitting doubles and sprawling.

00:07:13.000 The other guy goes for a darse.

00:07:15.000 He reverses him. 0.93

00:07:16.000 He gets side control, knees him in the body. 1.00

00:07:18.000 The guy fucking hits him in a triangle. 1.00

00:07:20.000 He passes the guard. 1.00

00:07:22.000 The whole thing goes back and forth and back and forth.

00:07:24.000 On the median. 1.00

00:07:24.000 On the fucking grass. 1.00

00:07:25.000 They were on the grass on the side of the road. 1.00

00:07:27.000 They were both exhausted.

00:07:29.000 They high-fived each other and then got back in their car.

00:07:32.000 They were laughing.

00:07:33.000 They're like, you know how to fight, man. 0.99

00:07:35.000 They both were like, I'm going to fuck this dude up. 1.00

00:07:38.000 I'm going to fuck this dude up. 0.99

00:07:40.000 Not just did they both know how to fight, they were both at a purple belt level. 0.99

00:07:45.000 Little impromptu grappling session in the car.

00:07:47.000 Yeah, and punches and kicks and the whole deal.

00:07:49.000 But they both actually knew how to fight.

00:07:51.000 It was pretty funny.

00:07:52.000 The way he was telling it was pretty hilarious.

00:07:54.000 I mean, I can't lie.

00:07:57.000 I get excited when I see people upset in their cars.

00:08:00.000 If I cut them off accidentally and I see them getting pissed, the foot just slowly rolls off the gas.

00:08:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:08:09.000 They get really close and I'm doing 40 on the freeway and I don't know I mean, I don't know my problem is probably just an asshole But is the more upset they get the more warmth I feel in my soul as I'm going down the road watching them Lose their shit in their car. 1.00

00:08:23.000 Well, don't you think that a guy like you who's been through so much actual real combat Probably relishes a little elevation of the the normal day-to-day life Just a little turn that bitch up a little bit. 1.00

00:08:36.000 Let's feel a little heat Come on, just crank it up a little bit. 0.85

00:08:41.000 I'm probably the last person that would ever fight.

00:08:43.000 And I bet you it's the same with the UFC guys who make their living in that insane octagon.

00:08:49.000 You think some of the things I do are a little bit atypical?

00:08:51.000 I think people who live in the octagon are absolutely out of their mind.

00:08:55.000 Dude, you flew 18 miles in a squirrel suit.

00:08:58.000 The suit did most of the work, man.

00:09:00.000 I just laid in that thing.

00:09:01.000 Yeah, but it doesn't matter. 1.00

00:09:02.000 The fucking, all the shit that can go wrong. 1.00

00:09:04.000 What did you say, what the temperature was when you jumped out? 1.00

00:09:07.000 50 below zero?

00:09:07.000 50 below with the wind chill and I was rocking a t-shirt.

00:09:11.000 Because I'm not smart.

00:09:14.000 How cold did that get?

00:09:15.000 I couldn't feel my hands.

00:09:17.000 I had hand warmers, you know, the ones that you crack open, just for like skiing, but I didn't open the bag until 20,000 feet.

00:09:26.000 You know, I didn't really think that through.

00:09:28.000 It needs oxygen.

00:09:29.000 How do you open the bag while you're flying like that?

00:09:31.000 No, up on the way up.

00:09:32.000 It was an hour flight to altitude, and I knew it was going to be cold, so I opened up the things and I put them on my hands and put my gloves on.

00:09:39.000 So I'm like, why am I not feeling these heat up?

00:09:42.000 And then I realized that they need oxygen for the chemical reaction.

00:09:46.000 So I jumped out, and by probably halfway down, I couldn't feel my hands.

00:09:50.000 So I just had them, like, tucked up behind the wing.

00:09:52.000 And I know where the little small parachute is that you have to pull to deploy your parachute.

00:09:56.000 And I'm like, all right, it'll be all right.

00:09:57.000 I know where this is.

00:09:58.000 I've done this before.

00:09:59.000 Pulled the parachute and I get on the ground and then my hands started burning because the chemicals started reacting.

00:10:06.000 Oh, wow.

00:10:07.000 So it went from freezing cold hand to feeling like I had my hands dipped into lava so I couldn't get the gloves off.

00:10:12.000 Also probably a little hypothermia, right?

00:10:15.000 Probably.

00:10:15.000 That's what they say when they found a guy recently in...

00:10:20.000 I want to say Oregon or Idaho.

00:10:22.000 I don't know.

00:10:23.000 One of them cold places.

00:10:24.000 And he went elk hunting and they couldn't find him.

00:10:27.000 He got lost.

00:10:28.000 And when they found him, he was dead.

00:10:30.000 And he was only like a couple hundred yards from his truck.

00:10:32.000 And they think he got snowed out and couldn't see where he was going.

00:10:35.000 And he had taken his jacket off and he had taken his gloves and his hat off.

00:10:40.000 And they say that's one of the signs of hypothermia.

00:10:42.000 You slide people naked a lot of the time.

00:10:45.000 Well, you're euphoric. 0.62

00:10:46.000 You get hot, too, apparently.

00:10:49.000 It's not just euphoria.

00:10:50.000 I don't know if you get hot.

00:10:51.000 There it is.

00:10:53.000 Washington State, that's what it is.

00:10:56.000 Missing elk hunter recovered in Washington.

00:10:58.000 I'd heard about another guy who died in Oregon who was a he was a tech guy.

00:11:02.000 He used to be on this tech show that I used to watch and he would review like gadgets.

00:11:07.000 This was like early 2000s and he went up with his family And they didn't have a car that could handle like serious snow and they got stuck and they were there for nine days with no food and he went walking off to get help and froze to death and his family was eventually rescued.

00:11:27.000 How far did he make it?

00:11:28.000 I don't think he made it very far.

00:11:30.000 I mean, he wasn't wearing the right clothes.

00:11:33.000 He was wearing regular clothes, you know?

00:11:35.000 And he was just desperate and he was trying to save his family.

00:11:38.000 It's just so sad because I'd seen that guy on TV. It was so weird because you see a guy on TV reviewing gadgets.

00:11:46.000 Like, here's the latest laptop.

00:11:48.000 Like, look at the...

00:11:49.000 Here's the Ethernet port.

00:11:50.000 And what we've got here is, you know, the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and all this different stuff.

00:11:54.000 He'd review, like...

00:11:56.000 The most technical of technical things in terms of like the highest level of electronic achievement so far right like the newest gadgets that people love like Like the when you think about society and civilization you think about those things and meanwhile the guy froze to death in the forest like the real life All the tech in the world isn't going to save you if you get out into the wild.

00:12:21.000 If you rely on something that has batteries for your sustainment of your life, you're going to be in trouble at some point.

00:12:27.000 Yeah.

00:12:27.000 You've got to have baseline skills.

00:12:29.000 Yeah, they say that when people go into the forest, people are afraid of grizzly bears and all sorts of different things, but hypothermia kills more people than anything.

00:12:39.000 Yeah, it doesn't surprise me.

00:12:40.000 It's slow, too.

00:12:41.000 I mean, that's the insidious onset of, you know, your feet get a little bit cold and...

00:12:45.000 From what I've talked to some guys who work up in Alaska.

00:12:49.000 Where's McKinley?

00:12:50.000 I think McKinley's in Alaska.

00:12:52.000 Wherever McKinley is.

00:12:53.000 And it's not uncommon for them to find people basically missing, but they're naked.

00:12:57.000 Because it's that slow, that thought process degrades.

00:13:00.000 Oh, I'm sweating.

00:13:01.000 I'm going to take my jacket off.

00:13:02.000 And then they just lay down and go to sleep.

00:13:04.000 It's just like 1% at a time until you're basically a popsicle.

00:13:07.000 And doesn't your brain pump morphine or some equivalent to morphine through your body when you're near death?

00:13:14.000 Yeah.

00:13:15.000 I think when you're in severe pain or near death, your brain literally makes something.

00:13:21.000 I think you just go into shock.

00:13:23.000 I don't know the physical process of what happens when you go into shock, but I've seen some people that are in a lot of pain and they would have liked to have their brain pumping some morphine.

00:13:34.000 It wasn't happening.

00:13:35.000 Maybe they weren't pumping enough.

00:13:37.000 Perhaps.

00:13:38.000 I read something about that.

00:13:40.000 There was someone who was trying to explain...

00:13:44.000 Near-death experiences and like why when people have near-death experiences they have all these freaky visions and some of it they think could be connected to Psychedelic chemicals that your brain produces which are that they definitely know that's true But I think there was also some talk about some morphine like substance that your brain makes It wouldn't surprise me if your body recognized it was on the downhill slide.

00:14:07.000 Yeah, just like this dude doesn't need to keep screaming.

00:14:10.000 Yeah.

00:14:10.000 Probably just a protection mechanism, if anything.

00:14:13.000 Yeah.

00:14:14.000 Well, when you're out there, man, I think one of the cool things about being in the wilderness...

00:14:19.000 Is that most people just never experience that for long stretches, and when you do get to experience it, it gives you sort of a, like, oh, I always thought the world was this.

00:14:30.000 I always thought the world was Phoenix, Arizona, where you drive down the street, and you go to see your friend, and you get in the car, and you go to the movies, and there's a restaurant.

00:14:37.000 And then you go to Montana...

00:14:40.000 You'll wander through the forest and you see deer and bears and you see the mountains and the quiet and your cell phone doesn't work and you're like, oh, this is the actual world.

00:14:51.000 I have found that it's that and that people and including myself think that I am this and then you go out into that environment where you're detached and then you have to rely upon yourself and your knowledge and your grit or your Fortitude and you kind of figure out more of who you are as well,

00:15:07.000 too.

00:15:08.000 I don't think people really...

00:15:09.000 You don't figure out who you are if you live in the greater Los Angeles area.

00:15:14.000 You know who you are in Los Angeles.

00:15:16.000 Correct.

00:15:17.000 But I don't think who you are in Los Angeles is who you really are.

00:15:19.000 I don't think so either.

00:15:20.000 I think you've got to go out and outside of that and either rely on yourself or maybe even more importantly rely on somebody else and have that dynamic outside of...

00:15:30.000 You mean...

00:15:31.000 I guess you could starve to death, obviously, or not have enough water, but the places to get those things in L.A., you could solve in a block in either direction.

00:15:39.000 Go far enough out in the woods and you're on your own.

00:15:42.000 To me, that's where you find out who you are.

00:15:44.000 I like being out there because I get to think about me a lot.

00:15:48.000 Yeah, I think that's a real good point that you think you are who you are.

00:15:53.000 You think you know yourself, but you know yourself in the environments that you know.

00:15:57.000 Correct.

00:15:57.000 The way you really find out who you are is to experience a lot of different environments and a lot of different difficult things.

00:16:04.000 You don't really know someone.

00:16:06.000 Until you see them tired.

00:16:08.000 Until you see them exhausted.

00:16:10.000 Hungry.

00:16:10.000 Yeah.

00:16:11.000 Yeah.

00:16:11.000 Well, John Dudley's always said that about hunting.

00:16:13.000 Like, you think you know a guy.

00:16:15.000 Take him hunting.

00:16:16.000 His litmus test is hunting camp.

00:16:18.000 Yeah.

00:16:18.000 I believe he says, you'll either be friends for life or I'm never going to want to spend another moment with you.

00:16:23.000 Yeah.

00:16:24.000 It's pretty accurate.

00:16:25.000 Yeah.

00:16:26.000 So you come off the rails.

00:16:27.000 People go, I don't want to get up at 5 in the morning.

00:16:29.000 I just went to bed at 11. All right.

00:16:31.000 Well, you're not on the invite list for next year.

00:16:33.000 You're missing out on this thing we're doing.

00:16:36.000 Yeah, you can go hunt that PB&J in the refrigerator.

00:16:39.000 There's a line where you got to learn, though.

00:16:41.000 Like, there is a line where, like, okay, we could die today.

00:16:44.000 This is not...

00:16:45.000 We should really be careful if we go out today.

00:16:48.000 You know, this is not the right...

00:16:50.000 Like, my friend Adam Greentree, do you know Adam?

00:16:52.000 You got to meet him if you don't know him.

00:16:55.000 I don't know him, but I definitely follow him. 1.00

00:16:59.000 Yeah, that motherfucker skirts the line. 0.99

00:17:01.000 That's his water buffalo up there, by the way, right above Old Glory. 1.00

00:17:04.000 That's awesome.

00:17:05.000 Is that your elk?

00:17:06.000 Yeah, that's from Tohono Ranch.

00:17:10.000 God, look at the rack on that thing.

00:17:12.000 But Adam, he crosses that line.

00:17:16.000 He gets to the edge of that line.

00:17:17.000 He pushes that line, is how I would describe it.

00:17:19.000 He goes out by himself a month at a time, nothing but a tent, runs out of water all the time, drinks funky water coming out.

00:17:26.000 He's got that weird Australian gut, though, where he could just drink water.

00:17:31.000 He's got some microbes going on in there.

00:17:33.000 Whatever he's eaten in his life, it's like it's festering inside of his body.

00:17:37.000 It kills off everything else.

00:17:40.000 He doesn't get sick. 1.00

00:17:41.000 The fucking guy drinks out of Creeks all the time. 1.00

00:17:43.000 Because he's probably always just sick and that's his normal. 1.00

00:17:46.000 Maybe. 0.70

00:17:47.000 He is sick.

00:17:47.000 He's happy though.

00:17:48.000 Yeah.

00:17:48.000 But he gets close.

00:17:51.000 Like he gets close to that edge like that.

00:17:53.000 Did you ever see that? 0.98

00:17:54.000 Would you watch the Instagram story when the grizzly bear kept charging him and he's fucking filming it all for Instagram? 0.98

00:17:59.000 Yeah, but he's also got an unloaded gun. 0.98

00:18:01.000 I was very upset with him.

00:18:02.000 No, it was loaded, but he had never shot it.

00:18:04.000 The bolt was out of battery.

00:18:06.000 No, the bullets were the wrong size for the gun.

00:18:09.000 You can barely see the top of the gun.

00:18:11.000 I'm looking at it, and you can see the barrel at the angle, so the slide is back.

00:18:15.000 You can tell.

00:18:16.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:17.000 You're pointing your finger...

00:18:19.000 At a bear.

00:18:20.000 At a bear.

00:18:20.000 You're going to pull on that as it eats your face.

00:18:23.000 He said the bear ran to 10 yards.

00:18:26.000 No, thank you.

00:18:27.000 Full clip, 10 yards.

00:18:28.000 Pass.

00:18:30.000 False charge, 10 yards.

00:18:32.000 He said when you see it running and you see the muscles rippling under the hair and the hair and the snow and the moisture is flying.

00:18:41.000 And imagine the breath and the noise of that claw ripping through the ground.

00:18:43.000 No, thank you.

00:18:44.000 And it's huge.

00:18:45.000 You know, he said it was like a nine-foot bear.

00:18:47.000 Just running at him.

00:18:48.000 Boom! 0.99

00:18:50.000 And if so, if he...

00:18:52.000 I mean, obviously, he's got a ton of interactions with animals in the wild, but if he had run instead of standing his ground... 0.99

00:18:59.000 He'd have been fucked. 0.99

00:19:00.000 It would have attacked him, right? 1.00

00:19:02.000 100%.

00:19:02.000 Oh, my God.

00:19:02.000 Yeah, he would have been fucked.

00:19:04.000 You can't... 1.00

00:19:04.000 Because they just have an instinct. 1.00

00:19:06.000 It would just take you out.

00:19:07.000 It's like you're weak, you're moving away, not only are you not a threat now, now the bear has the opportunity to close the distance. 1.00

00:19:14.000 The bears don't exactly know what the fuck you are. 1.00

00:19:17.000 They don't exactly know what the fuck a person is. 1.00

00:19:19.000 They might have seen a person a few times before, but they don't eat a person, and they don't fuck a person. 1.00

00:19:24.000 The problem is when a bear does eat a person. 1.00

00:19:26.000 Once a bear eats a person, they're like, oh, I could just fucking eat people. 0.98

00:19:29.000 Delicious. 0.98

00:19:30.000 They can't run at all.

00:19:33.000 Like, a bear chases an elk, like, it's kind of a hustle.

00:19:36.000 It's a lot of running.

00:19:38.000 I can't imagine a bear catching an elk.

00:19:40.000 Well, they catch them.

00:19:40.000 Do they really?

00:19:41.000 There's a crazy video of a bear eating a moose. 0.99

00:19:43.000 He's chasing this moose, and it's a big fucking bear, and he's chasing him around a circle, and it looks like they're filming it from a helicopter, and the bear is just, this moose is hauling ass. 0.98

00:19:53.000 See if you can find that, Jamie. 0.99

00:19:56.000 The fucked up thing is, when bears catch you, they just eat you. 0.99

00:20:00.000 They don't kill you first. 0.99

00:20:02.000 Oh, they just start.

00:20:03.000 They just start eating.

00:20:04.000 Just like they do a salmon.

00:20:05.000 How they grab a salmon and just bite into it and pull it apart.

00:20:08.000 They do that to your guts.

00:20:10.000 See, that's where I'm really hoping that morphine thing from your brain is true.

00:20:15.000 Yeah, me too.

00:20:15.000 Can you imagine looking up and seeing your lower torso inside of the mouth of a massive grizzly bear?

00:20:21.000 I can imagine it.

00:20:22.000 That's what's so scary.

00:20:23.000 Did you ever see the movie Grizzly Man?

00:20:26.000 No.

00:20:26.000 How dare you?

00:20:27.000 How dare you miss out on the greatest unintentional comedy in the history of the world?

00:20:30.000 I'll watch it tonight. 0.99

00:20:31.000 It's fucking great. 0.99

00:20:32.000 We were talking about this before the show, but people who are gay, who don't want to admit they're gay... 1.00

00:20:39.000 Run. 0.71

00:20:40.000 That's this guy.

00:20:41.000 And he decided to go live with the grizzly bears to protect them in the forest.

00:20:46.000 Oh, he got eaten.

00:20:46.000 I think I know this story.

00:20:48.000 But it's a Werner Herzog film.

00:20:50.000 And I don't know if Werner Herzog was trying to make it funny.

00:20:55.000 I mean, maybe it's just funny.

00:20:58.000 No, it's funny.

00:20:59.000 But it's funny to me because I have this crazy appreciation for wildlife and respect for it.

00:21:06.000 There's part of me that, like Steve Rinella had a funny way of talking about this guy.

00:21:10.000 He goes, hey, say all you want about that guy.

00:21:12.000 He goes, that guy was a hard camper. 0.99

00:21:14.000 He goes, that guy did some hard fucking camping. 0.98

00:21:16.000 He was out there for six months at a time. 0.98

00:21:18.000 I'm like, yeah.

00:21:19.000 Got to give him respect.

00:21:20.000 He really did live with the Bears for six months at a time.

00:21:23.000 But...

00:21:24.000 Werner Herzog, the way he filmed it, he filmed like the way he would have people talking about the guy. 0.78

00:21:31.000 Like they go to a sheriff and the sheriff's like, I thought he was retarded. 1.00

00:21:36.000 Just really digging into that character and plot development.

00:21:39.000 Yeah, I mean, it's just he shows you this guy's ex-girlfriend who's crazy and they're talking about his life and they interview one of his past roommates or some guy who knew him in LA and he's talking about how crazy he is and how he kind of made up a past for himself and he was just like this really...

00:21:56.000 He had, like, fake accents that he would use sometimes.

00:21:59.000 Just a really bizarre character who found his identity in taking care, air quotes, taking care of these bears that didn't need taken care of.

00:22:08.000 And he was going to protect these bears. 0.98

00:22:11.000 And, you know, these bears just, they didn't give a fuck about him. 0.96

00:22:15.000 Yeah, I don't think they wanted his protection. 0.97

00:22:17.000 Oh, it was amazing.

00:22:18.000 It's amazing.

00:22:18.000 But anyway, the film of him getting eaten, he was filming Bears, had the cover on the camera, but the audio ran.

00:22:26.000 And the audio ran for seven minutes.

00:22:28.000 By the way, if you try to find that audio online, it's not there, but there's some fake audio online that people attribute to it.

00:22:34.000 But if you listen to it with a discerning ear, you can tell those people aren't really screaming.

00:22:39.000 It's fake screaming.

00:22:40.000 But it was seven minutes long of the bear eating him and his girlfriend.

00:22:44.000 His girlfriend hit the bear.

00:22:45.000 Oh, he ate his girlfriend, too?

00:22:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:22:47.000 The bear was eating him and the girlfriend hit the bear in the head with a frying pan. 1.00

00:22:51.000 It didn't do jack shit. 0.99

00:22:52.000 The bear tears her apart. 0.99

00:22:54.000 You know, I'm not gonna lie.

00:22:55.000 I'm more surprised that he had a girlfriend.

00:22:57.000 It wasn't really a girlfriend.

00:22:58.000 It was a girl that was a friend that thought she was a girlfriend. 0.98

00:23:01.000 I've had friends that are gay that have wives. 0.97

00:23:05.000 And these poor wives, they walk around looking like this, all day long like this. 1.00

00:23:11.000 Like, what the fuck's wrong? 1.00

00:23:13.000 How come this guy doesn't fuck me? 1.00

00:23:15.000 Oh, man. 1.00

00:23:16.000 There's a lot of poor bastards out there that are just deep in the closet, and they don't... 1.00

00:23:20.000 That's not cool. 1.00

00:23:21.000 It's horrible.

00:23:21.000 Aren't we at that point now where you can just kind of do and be...

00:23:24.000 I wish we were.

00:23:25.000 I wish we were.

00:23:26.000 I know a couple guys that are deep, deep in.

00:23:29.000 They don't even say...

00:23:30.000 When I talk to them, I talk to them in brief, brief chunks, because I'm...

00:23:36.000 I get this feeling from them where I'm talking to them where they just want to end the conversation before I go, hey man, are you gay?

00:23:44.000 Every conversation is like this really quick, really quick, really quick.

00:23:48.000 Hey, good to see you.

00:23:49.000 All right.

00:23:50.000 Hey, take it easy, man.

00:23:51.000 See you next time.

00:23:52.000 Hey, hold on.

00:23:52.000 Hey, before you go.

00:23:53.000 Are you gay? 0.98

00:23:54.000 Are you gay? 0.93

00:23:56.000 It's just... 0.99

00:23:57.000 It's a bummer, man.

00:23:59.000 It's a bummer.

00:24:00.000 Yeah.

00:24:02.000 I mean, to get...

00:24:04.000 To get to 2017 and not have that worked out seems to me to be a travesty. 1.00

00:24:10.000 The fact that people give a shit. 0.99

00:24:12.000 Yeah, why does anybody care what other choices that they make in their life? 1.00

00:24:15.000 Well, my theory has been there's two types of people that care about gay marriage and that is people who are really dumb or people that are secretly worried that dicks are delicious. 0.99

00:24:25.000 I can get behind that campaign. 0.99

00:24:27.000 That's my theory.

00:24:28.000 That was one of my old bits.

00:24:29.000 And I think that when, you know, there's a lot of it that people are afraid that other people are going to think they're gay.

00:24:35.000 A lot of it is people that grew up where they hear terrible things about gay people or prejudice people around them, tell them crazy things about gay people.

00:24:45.000 They don't realize that gay people are just people that like guys.

00:24:48.000 That's it.

00:24:54.000 Yeah, so that's where the weirdness comes from.

00:25:02.000 But if you go to Santa Monica Boulevard...

00:25:05.000 There's this area of three blocks in West Hollywood, in Santa Monica Boulevard, that I don't get out of my car.

00:25:12.000 It's not worth it.

00:25:13.000 You're just loading this scenario up.

00:25:14.000 I'm already thinking in my head, like, I'm never going here. 0.99

00:25:17.000 You ever go to one of those wild animal parks where you stay in your car and the monkeys jump on your car and rip your fucking windshield wipers off? 0.99

00:25:22.000 No. 0.99

00:25:23.000 Yeah.

00:25:24.000 They have those in New Jersey.

00:25:26.000 What?

00:25:26.000 I went.

00:25:27.000 Yeah.

00:25:28.000 Yeah, the monkeys jump on your car.

00:25:30.000 I don't know if they have them anymore, but they used to. 0.99

00:25:32.000 You used to be there, and you'd have to agree that the monkey might fuck your car up. 0.98

00:25:37.000 You'd sign a waiver when you go in? 0.97

00:25:39.000 Yeah, like, don't go there with a Ferrari.

00:25:40.000 Don't go there with a car that could get jacked, because these monkeys might jack your car. 0.97

00:25:44.000 But you would be around these animals, and you'd stay in your vehicle the entire time.

00:25:48.000 They have one in China.

00:25:49.000 And it's a great story.

00:25:51.000 About a year ago, this lady was in an argument with her boyfriend. 1.00

00:25:54.000 She's like, fuck you! 1.00

00:25:56.000 And she got out of the car and she went around the car and she was yelling at him and a fucking tiger came. 1.00

00:26:02.000 You posted that video. 0.99

00:26:03.000 I saw that.

00:26:04.000 Yeah.

00:26:04.000 And just yanked her away.

00:26:06.000 And then the tiger, and then someone else chased after her and apparently she lived, but her mom died.

00:26:12.000 Going out trying to save her?

00:26:13.000 Yeah, save her from the tiger and the tiger killed her mom. 1.00

00:26:16.000 This dumb bitch. 1.00

00:26:18.000 She's like, I have it in my head. 1.00

00:26:20.000 I'm going to fucking say what I want and I'm going to get out of this car. 1.00

00:26:23.000 Fuck you! 1.00

00:26:24.000 And she gets out of her car and she does it in a wild animal park filled with 800 pound tigers. 1.00

00:26:32.000 If you do stupid things, you're going to win stupid prizes. 1.00

00:26:35.000 It's amazing how quick the tiger seizes the opportunity, though. 1.00

00:26:39.000 I remember from that video, she was only on the driver's side of the car for a few seconds, and then it was lights out.

00:26:43.000 Pull that up.

00:26:44.000 Pull that up.

00:26:45.000 It's a great video to watch.

00:26:46.000 It's one of my favorite videos of all time.

00:26:48.000 It's just like, I don't want anybody to get killed by a tiger.

00:26:51.000 I really don't. 0.99

00:26:52.000 But I do want, if someone gets killed by a tiger doing something really fucking stupid, I do want everybody to watch that. 0.99

00:26:57.000 And go, hey. 1.00

00:26:58.000 Don't do that. 1.00

00:26:59.000 This ain't the Lion King, motherfucker. 1.00

00:27:01.000 This shit's real. 1.00

00:27:03.000 Look, here it is. 1.00

00:27:04.000 Oh, God.

00:27:04.000 She gets out of the car in the wildlife zoo.

00:27:06.000 She gets out.

00:27:07.000 Watch.

00:27:07.000 Passenger side, backseat.

00:27:09.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:27:09.000 Just imagine the argument going on. 1.00

00:27:11.000 Oh, it's front seat.

00:27:11.000 I'm out of here.

00:27:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:27:12.000 She's like, I'm so tired of your bullshit. 1.00

00:27:14.000 She runs around to the other side. 1.00

00:27:16.000 She's got to make one more point. 1.00

00:27:17.000 And the guy's like, hey, will you just fucking relax, bitch? 1.00

00:27:19.000 Just don't hit me. 1.00

00:27:20.000 Don't hit me. 1.00

00:27:21.000 God damn it. 1.00

00:27:22.000 Get back in your car. 1.00

00:27:23.000 Get back.

00:27:24.000 Jesus! 1.00

00:27:25.000 God damn it. 1.00

00:27:26.000 Just drags her away. 1.00

00:27:27.000 And he runs out of the car.

00:27:29.000 Oh, God.

00:27:30.000 And then the mom runs out, and that lady's dead. 0.99

00:27:33.000 The third lady's dead. 1.00

00:27:34.000 And as the rangers come out, they're going to try to save her.

00:27:37.000 See, I think the move is close all doors, roll up windows.

00:27:41.000 I think grabs are so quick.

00:27:43.000 It's like this is what I've wanted.

00:27:45.000 I'm so tired of eating cold meat served on an aluminum tray. 1.00

00:27:49.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:27:50.000 Fuck you for keeping me here. 1.00

00:27:53.000 Here's the thing, man. 1.00

00:27:54.000 I think if they fed those tigers wild animals, they probably wouldn't do that. 0.99

00:27:58.000 They probably wouldn't give a shit about that lady. 1.00

00:28:00.000 But what they do is they give the tigers no animal reward. 0.99

00:28:03.000 They have an animal reward system, right?

00:28:05.000 The tiger's job is to clean up the population. 0.99

00:28:08.000 Oh, there's one tiger flying through the fucking air at this dude. 0.99

00:28:11.000 Oh, are you kidding me? 0.99

00:28:14.000 Yeah, ripped this guy's hand apart.

00:28:16.000 Just flew up to the top of an elephant.

00:28:18.000 Is he missing some fingers?

00:28:19.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:28:20.000 That's what I'm talking about.

00:28:21.000 Ripped his hand apart.

00:28:22.000 Yeah, tigers don't play, but if you let that tiger kill things, like if they let a bunch of Axis deer loose, which- It'll satiate that demand? 0.55

00:28:30.000 Yeah!

00:28:30.000 That would be what they look for.

00:28:32.000 They would chase down the deer, eat them, they'd live like natural.

00:28:35.000 But so they have this overwhelming desire.

00:28:37.000 It's like...

00:28:39.000 Here's a way to put it.

00:28:40.000 If you...

00:28:42.000 Yeah, like if you were a guy...

00:28:45.000 That's not a good way to put it. 0.99

00:28:46.000 I was going to say, if you're a guy and they extracted all the cum from your balls, but they kept you horny, but that doesn't make sense. 0.99

00:28:57.000 That makes absolutely no sense. 0.99

00:28:58.000 I bailed on it right when I was like, that's a bad analogy, dude.

00:29:01.000 Don't run with that one.

00:29:02.000 But these animals, they get their appetite satisfied, but not their appetite to kill.

00:29:07.000 They're born... 1.00

00:29:08.000 You roll a ball of yarn in front of a kitten, the fucking cat dives on it. 1.00

00:29:14.000 Because that's what they're supposed to do. 1.00

00:29:15.000 They're supposed to attack things.

00:29:17.000 Even little fluffy little kittens, they have a built-in desire to attack things.

00:29:24.000 I think that's why people are the way they are on social media.

00:29:27.000 They don't have the release that the human body, soul, spirit, however you want to describe it, is designed to get somewhere else.

00:29:34.000 And if all you get it from is a device through other people's pictures or selective posts, I think you go crazy inside.

00:29:41.000 I think that is why I don't trust nearly every human being on the face of the planet.

00:29:46.000 It's just they're not...

00:29:47.000 I don't think they get the chance to express who they want to be.

00:29:49.000 I agree 100%.

00:29:50.000 I agree 100%.

00:29:52.000 And I think I've been thinking a lot about this whole boss-employee sexual assault, sexual harassment thing that's been going on.

00:30:00.000 Yeah, every day, like something else comes out on that.

00:30:03.000 Yeah, and it's always the same thing.

00:30:04.000 It's always a man in power and a woman who works for him and something goes down. 0.89

00:30:09.000 And it's never the opposite. 1.00

00:30:11.000 It's never chicks getting their pussy eaten by some dude who works in the office. 1.00

00:30:14.000 It's never. 1.00

00:30:16.000 There's a lot of women that are CEOs. 1.00

00:30:17.000 Or it hasn't been reported yet.

00:30:19.000 Those guys can keep their mouths shut, right?

00:30:21.000 Or the guy doesn't consider that to be harassment.

00:30:23.000 It's not! 1.00

00:30:24.000 Yeah, she lets you fuck her and she buys you a car? 1.00

00:30:28.000 Damn, you got a Mustang. 1.00

00:30:30.000 The fuck are you going to the New York Post for? 1.00

00:30:35.000 Oh my god, that almost came out of my nose. 1.00

00:30:39.000 But I think this is what I think.

00:30:41.000 I think that a lot of males, right, in a male in a position of power, like the chief of the village, like that guy would probably have his choice.

00:30:52.000 He's the warlord.

00:30:54.000 He'd have this choice of women. 1.00

00:30:55.000 And the women would respond to him in a favorable way, which would let him know, it would indicate to him that it's time to fuck, right? 1.00

00:31:03.000 This girl wants it. 1.00

00:31:04.000 I'm going to give it to her.

00:31:05.000 So when a guy is like some Harvey Weinstein guy or someone who's at the front of some giant company and everyone in the office kisses his ass when he's there and everyone's so happy to talk to him and people are angling for raises and they're angling for promotions and they're always nice to him and they treat him like royalty, 0.55

00:31:25.000 I think the guys start thinking that these girls are attracted to him. 1.00

00:31:29.000 That he's gonna fuck them. 1.00

00:31:31.000 It's a power thing, but it's also like a trick on the reward system that the brain has. 1.00

00:31:36.000 Then it's a scumbag thing too. 0.83

00:31:38.000 There's like a lot of factors in there. 0.98

00:31:39.000 I think it's a lot tied to the power side.

00:31:43.000 I cannot think of an example of any occupation that doesn't have that problem somewhere near the apex.

00:31:50.000 Right.

00:31:51.000 When a man gets in power.

00:31:52.000 I think that as humans, we're only capable of dealing with so much fill-in-the-blank when it comes to that, whether it's the money or the fame or people throwing themselves at you.

00:32:05.000 I think at some point, depending on the moral compass that you have and how it's calibrated, Swinging in the wrong direction because you can look at Physicians you could look at religion you could look at people in the military Generals and the number of sexual assault cases and the generals like one to four star generals in the US in 2017 was insanely high to Comedy Bill Cosby to you know just fill in the blank you can find an example everywhere once you start getting to the apex I think there's just a disconnect on how much

00:32:36.000 Depending on who you are going into that position, I think there's a disconnect on how much you can handle.

00:32:40.000 But Cosby was a really weird one because I've had this theory for a while that I think that during Cosby's era, the 1960s, I think it was not just common to drug women, but it was almost like a joke.

00:32:55.000 Like the people thought it was funny because drugs were fairly new and the consequences of sexual assault weren't talked about and it wasn't thought about the same way.

00:33:09.000 And I think that during that day, like he used to joke around about it in his act.

00:33:15.000 I remember you saying that before.

00:33:16.000 Yeah, he had joked with a Spanish fly.

00:33:18.000 There you go.

00:33:19.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:33:19.000 And he even had a segment or a scene on the Cosby show where someone would give something to someone and would make them have sex with them. 0.98

00:33:29.000 Or he would put them to sleep with something. 0.91

00:33:31.000 Like, he would joke around about it.

00:33:33.000 And he joked around about it on talk shows and stuff.

00:33:36.000 I mean, this is...

00:33:37.000 But I think that when you talk to someone who was around during the 1960s, they used to call it Slippin' Someone a Mickey.

00:33:44.000 You have heard that term before?

00:33:45.000 Yeah. 0.72

00:33:46.000 I think they just once like quaaludes and shit started coming out they started giving them to people just slipping them to them. 1.00

00:33:52.000 That's so fucked up. 1.00

00:33:53.000 So fucked up. 1.00

00:33:54.000 But it still happens man. 1.00

00:33:56.000 To this day it still happens. 0.99

00:33:58.000 You know I had these girls on the podcast the other day um um Corinne and Christina from uh the podcast Guys We Fucked and one of them was saying that she was hanging out with this guy and uh she had a drink and then all of a sudden she just She couldn't fucking control herself. 0.99

00:34:11.000 Her body was falling apart. 0.85

00:34:12.000 Yeah, and her friends got her into a cab or something like that, right?

00:34:14.000 Yeah, and rescued her.

00:34:14.000 You had your hands full with those, too.

00:34:16.000 They were crazy.

00:34:17.000 It seemed to me like you had two wet cats in a paper bag. 1.00

00:34:19.000 Those girls are nuts. 1.00

00:34:21.000 When she was talking about a hat, an anal orgasm with a vibrator, I'm like, well, okay. 1.00

00:34:27.000 Tell me more. 0.99

00:34:28.000 No, I was listening to that at my house, I think folding laundry. 0.99

00:34:31.000 In my head, I'm like, damn, you've got your hands full with those, too. 1.00

00:34:35.000 Those girls are crazy. 1.00

00:34:36.000 But they're fun.

00:34:37.000 It was an entertaining podcast for sure.

00:34:40.000 They're girls that talk publicly the way girls talk privately when they have a couple drinks in them. 0.79

00:34:46.000 100%.

00:34:46.000 Yeah, and that's what's so attractive about their podcast.

00:34:50.000 I wish I had their, I don't know what the term to use, bravery or whatever it is, to be that open and honest and like, just fuck it. 0.99

00:34:56.000 Here I am. 1.00

00:34:57.000 Blank slate.

00:34:58.000 Here's what I like.

00:34:59.000 Here's what I don't like.

00:35:00.000 Here's what I might like.

00:35:01.000 I don't know.

00:35:03.000 Well, it's appealing, though, when someone does do it.

00:35:06.000 Someone, you can tell.

00:35:07.000 You're like, okay, this person is actually, they're being completely balls-out honest.

00:35:13.000 Yeah, with no repercussions or words.

00:35:14.000 100%.

00:35:15.000 So, like, say if they were an actress.

00:35:17.000 Like, let's find some famous...

00:35:18.000 Who's a famous current actress? 0.99

00:35:21.000 Give me, like, a hot...

00:35:22.000 Who's a hot...

00:35:23.000 Jennifer Lawrence?

00:35:24.000 Yeah, but she's already had that scandal. 1.00

00:35:26.000 She had that scandal where people got a hold of her pictures and, you know, was without her permission and shit like that. 1.00

00:35:31.000 Yeah, I'm out of my league on this one. 0.92

00:35:33.000 Scarlett Johansson.

00:35:34.000 Okay, let's say Scarlett Johansson. 1.00

00:35:36.000 If Scarlett Johansson, if somebody, like, filmed her talking about how she had had an anal orgasm with a vibrator and how she likes having her boyfriend get his dick sucked in front of her, that would, and she didn't know that people were gonna talk, like, it would be horrific. 0.99

00:35:51.000 She'd be like, oh my god, she'd, like, have to stay home for days, she'd have to pop Advils and sleep on the couch with a fucking blanket over her head, like, you know what I mean? 0.99

00:36:00.000 She'd be horrified. 0.99

00:36:01.000 I can't believe that got out.

00:36:03.000 This is so awful. 0.98

00:36:04.000 Or she could go on and be like, yeah, you're goddamn right. 0.98

00:36:07.000 Yeah, but these girls just blurt it out and then move on to the next thing. 1.00

00:36:11.000 I like tacos!

00:36:14.000 It's just one thing after the other, but they're free.

00:36:18.000 And that's what people like.

00:36:20.000 This is what people liked about Charlie Sheen until they found out he had AIDS. Yeah, that was an interesting development in that particular story.

00:36:26.000 Yeah, everybody's like, oh, this story takes a fucking terrible turn.

00:36:28.000 Yeah, now I gotta change the lenses out on the glasses that I view you through. 0.97

00:36:32.000 Yeah, I thought you were winning.

00:36:34.000 Yeah.

00:36:34.000 I thought you had tiger blood.

00:36:36.000 Just frickin' winning at every turn.

00:36:39.000 Yeah, I didn't realize you had the high five in the old tiger blood.

00:36:42.000 Yeah, the high five that he got apparently is what started that whole thing off.

00:36:48.000 What, his insanity?

00:36:49.000 Yeah.

00:36:49.000 You sure it is.

00:36:50.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:36:50.000 Well, it turns out that when he was diagnosed with HIV was right when he started going wild and talking about, you know, snorting, you know, smoking eight grams of crack and that's how I roll and all that shit. 0.98

00:37:03.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:37:04.000 Okay.

00:37:04.000 And I'm sure when you start off batshit crazy, it doesn't help.

00:37:08.000 And that's your baseline.

00:37:09.000 But you remember how people reacted to that, though?

00:37:11.000 They were like, yes!

00:37:12.000 Tell us what you're doing, Charlie! 0.98

00:37:14.000 I mean, he did a goddamn tour of theaters, and he didn't have anything to talk about. 0.99

00:37:19.000 He would sit down and just be like, all right, so just got done smoking an eight ball. 0.98

00:37:23.000 Well, he would tell stories, but they had to craft what the thing would be.

00:37:27.000 See, what started out was he was just going to go on this theater tour, and he's probably on coke. 0.98

00:37:32.000 Yeah, we'll fucking talk to the people. 0.98

00:37:33.000 They're going to love us. 0.98

00:37:34.000 And he didn't know really what to do.

00:37:36.000 So the first couple of shows were a total disaster.

00:37:39.000 And then he started bringing comics in there with him.

00:37:42.000 So, like, my friend Russell Peters did a bunch of them with him.

00:37:45.000 So he would go up for a little bit, then they would go up?

00:37:47.000 No, the comic would kind of host the thing.

00:37:49.000 Oh. 0.99

00:37:49.000 So it was comic, and then Charlie, and they were sitting down talking, and this way you get to hear Charlie's wild stories and talking crazy shit. 0.99

00:37:57.000 But the comic would frame it all with some actual comedy and a comedic reaction to this maniac. 0.98

00:38:06.000 So they keep it on the rails.

00:38:07.000 Yeah! 0.99

00:38:08.000 And Russell's a great comic, and he's particularly great at talking shit and ad-libbing. 0.99

00:38:15.000 Russell's a great... 0.98

00:38:16.000 He does a lot of crowd work in his act, so he's super fast and smooth.

00:38:21.000 You said Russell Brand?

00:38:21.000 Russell Peters.

00:38:22.000 Okay, they said Russell Brand, who was another guy you had your absolute hands full with on the podcast.

00:38:27.000 Yeah, he's a character.

00:38:29.000 Don't give that guy coffee.

00:38:30.000 Yeah, he had a lot of coffee.

00:38:32.000 Well, he's a drug-free character.

00:38:34.000 Drug-free, sort of.

00:38:36.000 Yeah.

00:38:36.000 Now.

00:38:37.000 Now drug-free.

00:38:37.000 That guy did enough drugs to kill all three of us in this room.

00:38:40.000 Probably.

00:38:41.000 Yeah.

00:38:41.000 But he lived.

00:38:42.000 Yeah, God bless him.

00:38:43.000 Now he's got a story to tell.

00:38:44.000 Yeah, but he's another guy.

00:38:45.000 He's pretty free, you know?

00:38:46.000 Even, like, with who he is now, he's free.

00:38:48.000 And he's...

00:38:48.000 I cannot believe the transparency.

00:38:51.000 Like I said, I don't have the...

00:38:54.000 The courage to just be like, boom, here it is.

00:38:57.000 Let's just unzip the fly and lay it out, and here we are, people.

00:39:01.000 You might, though.

00:39:01.000 You just don't try.

00:39:02.000 I bet you did.

00:39:04.000 I try.

00:39:06.000 So for the podcast, my rule is I just try to be honest.

00:39:09.000 That's all I try to do is just be honest and portray myself as I am and say the things that I actually believe and not try to add 1% to it.

00:39:16.000 But there's still some people, if they were to ask me some questions, I'd be like, yeah, that's for another day.

00:39:21.000 I'm not going to answer every single question. 0.95

00:39:23.000 Well, also, especially if it comes to military shit, there's stuff you can't answer. 0.98

00:39:28.000 Well, then you just make stuff up. 0.99

00:39:30.000 Oh, is that what you do?

00:39:31.000 Pretty much.

00:39:31.000 There's a lot of that going on, right?

00:39:33.000 There's a ton of it going on, which is why most of the time I try to dispel misconceptions.

00:39:39.000 The reality is, no, there's really nothing that I've ever done that you can't talk about.

00:39:42.000 Is there any books or anything that's ever come out where you knew one story and then you saw it come out and you're like, hmm...

00:39:51.000 I have gone to the bookstore and read books written by an individual who said they were on a combat operation that I was on and don't remember seeing them there.

00:40:04.000 It's problematic.

00:40:05.000 Yeah, that seems like a real issue.

00:40:07.000 It's a huge issue.

00:40:10.000 I would say 99.9% of books that have a trident on them should be purchased and then put next to your toilet paper roll. 0.99

00:40:18.000 So when you run out of toilet paper, you can just start ripping pages out of the books and wipe your ass with that. 0.99

00:40:22.000 Why the trident? 0.99

00:40:23.000 Is that just showing that symbol?

00:40:24.000 It's the symbol that is associated with being a seal.

00:40:27.000 When you get that symbol, they change your designator inside of the Navy system and it registers as a 5326. Right, but why do you think them using that trident...

00:40:37.000 Because it's recognizable. 1.00

00:40:38.000 So they're doing it because they're bullshit artists. 1.00

00:40:40.000 They're doing it... 0.99

00:40:41.000 I can't say exactly why they're doing it.

00:40:44.000 I know some people are doing it purely to make money.

00:40:47.000 Some people got out a little bit early and have used the recognizability of that mark to further their own motives down the road and are purely 100% profit-seeking.

00:40:59.000 Other people are...

00:41:01.000 They're trying to tell, I guess, would be their story or their version of a story, and that would be the people in the middle.

00:41:06.000 And then, I guess, on the other end, the best example I point people at is generally Jocko's book.

00:41:12.000 It's not a book about, hey, no shit, there I was, which is the number one indicator of a story that's completely false. 0.65

00:41:19.000 Oh, hey, there we were. 0.97

00:41:20.000 I'm like, no, you're done.

00:41:22.000 Why is that?

00:41:23.000 People want to romanticize and embellish the reality of What actually happened?

00:41:31.000 And I don't know if it's the desire to make it seem like it's more than it was.

00:41:34.000 I don't know if it's because most of the time when you're coming from a military background, you're not used to any level of people really, I would call it fanship, I guess.

00:41:45.000 You know what I mean?

00:41:46.000 Right.

00:41:48.000 The military and being in the military is not about money.

00:41:52.000 You can pull up online and see exactly how much every individual in the military is making based off what rank they are and how many years they've been in.

00:41:59.000 So people will be approached and like, look, this is how much money you can make if you wrote a book. 0.99

00:42:03.000 And they're like, holy shit! 0.99

00:42:05.000 And so they will, and they'll make millions of dollars. 0.99

00:42:08.000 The problem is if you start embellishing those stories, in my mind at least, it starts tarnishing people.

00:42:13.000 The reality of what the occupation actually is and the good and sometimes amazing things that happen lose a lot of their value in my mind.

00:42:21.000 And I just think it's an enticement that guys are not used to inside of the military.

00:42:25.000 It's very...

00:42:26.000 When I was in the military...

00:42:27.000 I mean, I feel like I was talking to Jamie before we started.

00:42:30.000 I feel like I'm late to everything.

00:42:31.000 I'm late to social media.

00:42:33.000 I'm late to...

00:42:34.000 I had never listened to a podcast before I sat down and met you with Tate.

00:42:38.000 Really?

00:42:38.000 I had never listened to one.

00:42:39.000 I had no idea.

00:42:41.000 I had no idea the diversity of information that is out there, and you can go and...

00:42:47.000 I mean, you can almost get, like, an advanced degree in whatever it is you want to get by just going.

00:42:51.000 I had no idea.

00:42:52.000 I'd never listened to one because I was so focused on something else. 0.98

00:42:55.000 And then you lift your head up from that world, and you're like, what the fuck is going on around here?

00:43:01.000 And, you know, if you post the right pictures on social media of you and your outfit with your thousand-yard stare up to the distance, then you get more followers, and then people are like, oh, come and speak.

00:43:11.000 And it's an enticing thing to individuals, in my opinion— That are just not used to that.

00:43:18.000 And it can really, I think it can take you down a path that I would recommend most people don't take.

00:43:24.000 Which is why I like the way Jocko went, is he has experiences, but he's trying to take those experiences and portray them in a way that people can make use of them.

00:43:32.000 It's not about the story.

00:43:33.000 It's about what he learned during the story and how you can implement that in your life.

00:43:37.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:43:38.000 So there's a broad spectrum of everything from literally rip off pages and wipe your ass to recommend to anybody that I encounter that asks about it. 0.93

00:43:47.000 I think Jocko's new book is fantastic. 0.95

00:43:48.000 And it's so short.

00:43:50.000 It's like it's an easy read.

00:43:51.000 That's what makes it so fantastic.

00:43:53.000 That book could change your life.

00:43:54.000 Yeah.

00:43:57.000 From a real inspirational guy.

00:43:59.000 Yep.

00:43:59.000 Who's not trying to really be...

00:44:02.000 I would say he's not trying to be inspirational.

00:44:04.000 He wrote down and committed to paper the principles that he uses to live his life.

00:44:09.000 Yeah.

00:44:10.000 His passion and his enthusiasm for getting up at 4.30 in the morning and working out are unprecedented.

00:44:15.000 For like a week, I was getting up a few minutes before him and I would just post on Twitter, like, up before Jocko, hashtag, don't be lazy.

00:44:23.000 And then I got fucking tired and I had to stop him.

00:44:26.000 Don't do that. 0.97

00:44:27.000 He'll get up earlier.

00:44:28.000 He will.

00:44:29.000 But of course he was liking him. 0.99

00:44:30.000 I was like, God damn it. 0.99

00:44:31.000 I'm trying to elicit a response out of you, Jocko. 0.99

00:44:33.000 He thinks it's funny.

00:44:35.000 Absolutely.

00:44:36.000 People will still ask me, or I think they'll still ask him if we know each other.

00:44:40.000 I've known him forever.

00:44:42.000 You can't call out Jocko like that.

00:44:44.000 I'm like, I think it's okay.

00:44:45.000 I think it's going to be alright if I make fun of Jocko on Twitter.

00:44:48.000 It's going to be alright.

00:44:48.000 Yeah, he's got a good sense of humor.

00:44:50.000 Especially if you know the guy.

00:44:51.000 He's not going to get pissed about it.

00:44:52.000 But his followers are like, there's no funny man.

00:44:55.000 Some of them are a little intense. 0.99

00:44:56.000 Just because you're up at 429, like, hey man, if you want to be a lazy bitch, go ahead. 1.00

00:45:02.000 And then I have to stop myself. 0.99

00:45:03.000 That's as far as I can go on Twitter because I will lose my mind and I don't want to be that person.

00:45:07.000 Yeah, you can't respond to too many people.

00:45:09.000 You have like a minimum or a maximum requirement per day.

00:45:14.000 Just give yourself like a threshold.

00:45:16.000 I've looked at three different comments.

00:45:17.000 I'm out.

00:45:18.000 I don't understand how you could possibly keep track or even tabs.

00:45:22.000 I mean, your numbers are astronomical.

00:45:25.000 No, I don't keep track.

00:45:26.000 Occasionally, I'll dip my toe into the water of social media, but for the most part, I don't.

00:45:30.000 It's got to be like an abstract painting rolling by at like 60 miles an hour.

00:45:33.000 You can probably just catch one or two things that comes by. 0.96

00:45:36.000 Well, also, between working out, writing comedy, doing stand-up, being with my family, archery, anything else I'm doing at the time, I don't have the fucking time. 0.80

00:45:49.000 Podcasts. 0.94

00:45:49.000 Yeah. 0.94

00:45:50.000 UFC duties, whatever I have to do with the UFC. I don't have the time.

00:45:54.000 It doesn't exist.

00:45:55.000 Yeah, you're tapped out.

00:45:56.000 So I do what I can.

00:45:58.000 I post stuff, and then I get out of there.

00:46:00.000 And plus, I don't...

00:46:01.000 The turmoil, I don't want to, like...

00:46:03.000 You can't engage...

00:46:05.000 Like, what's that...

00:46:07.000 What's that?

00:46:08.000 If you respond to every barking dog, you never get where you're going?

00:46:12.000 You ever heard that phrase?

00:46:13.000 It sounds good.

00:46:13.000 I'm with you.

00:46:14.000 I think I paraphrased it.

00:46:15.000 But that's the idea behind this.

00:46:17.000 There's no way.

00:46:18.000 You don't have the time.

00:46:19.000 I have friends. 1.00

00:46:21.000 That have less followers who will go, like my friend Owen Benjamin, he's fucking crazy. 0.98

00:46:25.000 He'll have Twitter fights all day long. 0.96

00:46:27.000 And I told him the other day, I'm like, bro, you gotta stop engaging.

00:46:30.000 You gotta stop doing this.

00:46:31.000 This is not healthy.

00:46:32.000 It seems like it would entice people, once they recognize that you engage, it would entice them to hit you up more.

00:46:36.000 Exactly.

00:46:36.000 And then your time is, you're done.

00:46:38.000 Yeah, and then they'll try to piss you off, and then you go back and forth with them. 1.00

00:46:42.000 Oh, well, fuck you. 1.00

00:46:43.000 And the next thing you know, you're up at 3 o'clock in the morning checking your Twitter. 1.00

00:46:48.000 It's just exhausted the rest of the day.

00:46:50.000 Just compliment people.

00:46:51.000 When they say mean things, just write back, I think you're an amazing human being.

00:46:54.000 Heart emoticon.

00:46:55.000 Send.

00:46:56.000 Thanks, sweetie.

00:46:58.000 Because they don't know how to take that.

00:47:01.000 How long do you think you're going to last in the winter?

00:47:04.000 Do you think you're going to wind up keeping a place in San Diego and just coming back here in November?

00:47:08.000 No.

00:47:09.000 I have really not thought about San Diego since the day that we left.

00:47:12.000 Wait till you get snowed in.

00:47:14.000 Well, I have good cold weather stuff.

00:47:18.000 Do you have a truck?

00:47:19.000 I do have a truck.

00:47:20.000 What kind?

00:47:20.000 I have an F-150.

00:47:22.000 Nice.

00:47:22.000 Slightly modified, though.

00:47:23.000 Jacked?

00:47:25.000 Jacked up a little?

00:47:26.000 Lift?

00:47:26.000 It came lifted.

00:47:27.000 Big tires?

00:47:28.000 35s?

00:47:28.000 Big tires.

00:47:29.000 750 horsepower.

00:47:30.000 Mud and snow tires?

00:47:32.000 750 horsepower?

00:47:33.000 Yeah.

00:47:34.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:47:35.000 What the fuck do you have in the hood? 1.00

00:47:37.000 A Shelby supercharger. 1.00

00:47:38.000 Oh! 0.60

00:47:40.000 You went deep.

00:47:41.000 It came that way. 0.99

00:47:42.000 My wife was so pissed at me because I went in with my other F-150 to get an oil change and I technically did get an oil change because I came home with this truck and she walked outside and she was just like, God damn it! 1.00

00:47:56.000 But a lot of those, like, super sport performance trucks, they have street tires on them. 0.88

00:48:01.000 Mine have massive knobby tires.

00:48:03.000 Yeah.

00:48:04.000 I literally went in, I got very fortunate, and I got a great deal on a Ford, on, like, a pseudo-endorsement sponsorship thing earlier, so I had a bunch of equity in my truck.

00:48:15.000 I literally went in to get an oil change, and right next to me in this spot was this Ford F-150 Black Ops model, like, by Tuscany.

00:48:23.000 Bum, bum, bum. 0.99

00:48:24.000 So I park, and I get out of my truck, which I usually feel good in, and I'm looking up at this other truck, and now I immediately feel like a bitch. 0.98

00:48:32.000 So I climb up on the wheel, and I'm just reading the sticker, because I couldn't read it from the ground. 0.91

00:48:38.000 I'm just looking at it.

00:48:39.000 I'm like, all right, well, that price is totally outside of my range, and I go inside.

00:48:43.000 Of course, a salesman happened to see me, and he comes over to the service side.

00:48:47.000 I'm giving the guy my keys, and he's like, what do you think about that truck?

00:48:51.000 I'm like, I think that thing's awesome, man.

00:48:52.000 He's like, well, let's just run the numbers.

00:48:54.000 I'm like, okay.

00:48:55.000 Four hours later, I'm going home in the new truck.

00:48:57.000 Four hours?

00:48:59.000 It took you four hours to the dealership? 1.00

00:49:01.000 Your wife's calling up, where the fuck are you? 0.99

00:49:02.000 Well, she does that because that's not the first time it's happened. 1.00

00:49:05.000 Oh, you've done that before?

00:49:07.000 I tried to buy her a car one time.

00:49:09.000 I told her I was taking her minivan in.

00:49:11.000 Honda Odyssey, best urban assault vehicle ever.

00:49:13.000 Dual open doors.

00:49:14.000 You could just take down a compound in that thing.

00:49:17.000 Yeah, as long as you have blacked out windows, they don't see you coming, right? 0.99

00:49:19.000 Some rocket launchers on top of that bitch and just roll. 1.00

00:49:21.000 So I was like, hey, honey, I'm going to take your car in and get an oil change. 1.00

00:49:25.000 I was getting her a Tahoe.

00:49:26.000 And like three hours in, she starts calling.

00:49:28.000 What are you doing?

00:49:28.000 I'm like, oh, they found a leak in your flux capacitor.

00:49:31.000 It's going to be a few more minutes. 0.99

00:49:33.000 She doesn't know shit about cars. 0.98

00:49:34.000 Back to the future. 0.99

00:49:35.000 Yeah.

00:49:35.000 And so I come home, and she's like, oh, I like that car.

00:49:39.000 It's the wrong color and the different seats.

00:49:40.000 And I'm like, goddammit.

00:49:41.000 So she went back and picked out her own. 0.77

00:49:43.000 So after a couple hours of the dealership, I think she realized something was up.

00:49:47.000 Yeah, I got in trouble for that.

00:49:48.000 Yeah, I saw a video where they were comparing that Shelby supercharged F-150 to the Raptor.

00:49:54.000 They were trying to figure out which one was better.

00:49:56.000 I don't know, but I think that truck is ready to go for the wintertime.

00:50:00.000 It's got some big old tires and entirely too much torque and power for me.

00:50:06.000 She'll break a little bit loose. 0.99

00:50:07.000 Yeah, it'll break loose.

00:50:09.000 Locking differentials and all that jazz, too?

00:50:10.000 I don't even know what that means.

00:50:13.000 Locking differentials means you have an ARB locking differential, and what you can do is you set it so that all wheels will always spin together, no matter what, so it locks together.

00:50:23.000 So if you're in a place where one wheel is spinning, it doesn't work that way.

00:50:28.000 All wheels spin together, and it's not good for driving down the road, but it's good for getting you out of places and for traversing very difficult terrain.

00:50:39.000 It might have that. 0.98

00:50:40.000 I might have fucked that up.

00:50:41.000 But locking differentials are a...

00:50:43.000 It's a must on any sort of off-road vehicle.

00:50:47.000 I never plan to take it off-road.

00:50:48.000 Even though I think it's designed for the zombie apocalypse, I try to baby that thing and just park it in the garage.

00:50:53.000 Yeah, but what if you have to?

00:50:55.000 What if you have to go into the forest to...

00:50:58.000 To get your elk.

00:50:59.000 Well, if you're packing out.

00:51:01.000 Let's call somebody else.

00:51:02.000 Get to a trail, some sort of a logging trail.

00:51:04.000 Call somebody else and bring their truck.

00:51:07.000 Come on, man.

00:51:09.000 I don't think you can use it with a winch.

00:51:11.000 No, I was actually thinking about that.

00:51:12.000 You've got to get a winch.

00:51:13.000 I know.

00:51:13.000 I don't even know what I'd use it for, but I feel like I would be more prepared for life in general with a winch on my truck.

00:51:19.000 That Bronco has a winch. 0.75

00:51:20.000 That Bronco doesn't suck. 0.94

00:51:22.000 That thing's badass. 1.00

00:51:23.000 Never going to use that winch.

00:51:25.000 They were telling me how the winch works.

00:51:27.000 I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.98

00:51:27.000 I'm fucking never using that winch. 0.98

00:51:28.000 But you think of the confidence that you have climbing into it. 0.99

00:51:30.000 You're like, yeah.

00:51:31.000 I got a winch. 1.00

00:51:31.000 I got a winch, bitch. 1.00

00:51:32.000 Nothing can stop me. 1.00

00:51:33.000 What the fuck's going to stop me? 0.99

00:51:34.000 I got a winch. 0.99

00:51:35.000 Yeah.

00:51:35.000 You can pull something out of a ditch.

00:51:37.000 That's like a man thing.

00:51:38.000 Like, men want equipment they're never going to use.

00:51:40.000 Like, I should always have a chainsaw just in case.

00:51:42.000 100%. 1.00

00:51:43.000 You live in a fucking apartment in New York City. 1.00

00:51:45.000 Why do you have a chainsaw? 1.00

00:51:46.000 Never know.

00:51:48.000 Might have to cut down the door. 1.00

00:51:50.000 Shit goes wrong. 1.00

00:51:51.000 Shit goes sideways. 1.00

00:51:52.000 Trees start growing everywhere. 1.00

00:51:54.000 But we're ready for winter, man.

00:51:55.000 We got the ski passes ready to go.

00:51:57.000 I can see world-class skiing from my son's bedroom.

00:52:01.000 What mountain?

00:52:02.000 We live just south of Whitefish.

00:52:04.000 So in Whitefish, the mountain is called Big Mountain.

00:52:07.000 It's not Big Sky.

00:52:08.000 Most people confuse the two.

00:52:09.000 Big Sky is in Bozeman.

00:52:10.000 I think you said you had been to Big Sky before.

00:52:12.000 I've been to Bozeman.

00:52:13.000 So Bozeman has Big Sky.

00:52:15.000 Big Sky is like right outside of Bozeman.

00:52:17.000 Just south of it.

00:52:17.000 Correct.

00:52:18.000 And Whitefish is just north of where we live in Kalispell, and the Big Mountain is...

00:52:22.000 It should be open in four days.

00:52:24.000 We went to Bozeman, and we were there when they have this grizzly sanctuary. 0.70

00:52:30.000 We took a ride to Yellowstone, and we stopped at the grizzly sanctuary. 1.00

00:52:33.000 And they have these fucking bears. 1.00

00:52:35.000 They're so big, they don't even look like they're real. 1.00

00:52:38.000 And they throw them frozen watermelons.

00:52:41.000 That's what they're eating?

00:52:42.000 What?

00:52:42.000 Yeah, a whole frozen watermelon.

00:52:44.000 So they throw this frozen, because it was hot out when we went in the summer.

00:52:47.000 Okay.

00:52:48.000 And the bear just, this giant block of ice, you know, that's what it is.

00:52:52.000 It's a huge beach ball of ice.

00:52:54.000 That's like a 20 pounder.

00:52:56.000 Yeah, and the bear just opens his mouth and crushes it with one bite.

00:53:00.000 Just cuts through the frozen watermelon like it's nothing.

00:53:05.000 It's so sobering when you watch a bear lying on the water, right?

00:53:09.000 He was in the water like lying on his back holding this frozen watermelon in his paws and just chomping on it and eating it.

00:53:18.000 It's not a Disney movie. 1.00

00:53:19.000 No, it ain't no Disney movie, bitch. 1.00

00:53:21.000 My brother-in-law, who has never hunted before, has purchased a Redworks one. 0.99

00:53:31.000 Nice.

00:53:31.000 He's already got the Hoyt.

00:53:33.000 He's already got a Silverback sitting in his house. 1.00

00:53:36.000 He's already got an Elevate rest, and his bow comes in in like two weeks, and he was trying to explain.

00:53:41.000 I had dinner with them last night, and he's trying to explain to his son and his daughter, like...

00:53:46.000 It's not Bambi that I'm going to go hunting with. 1.00

00:53:49.000 And they're just like, no, daddy!

00:53:51.000 It's Bambi's cunty uncle. 1.00

00:53:52.000 No, daddy, you can't get...

00:53:54.000 But it's funny.

00:53:54.000 Even my kids were like, why would you kill a bear, dad?

00:53:57.000 Or why would you kill a deer?

00:53:58.000 Why would you kill an elk?

00:53:59.000 Well, to eat it.

00:54:01.000 100%.

00:54:02.000 Yeah.

00:54:03.000 It's interesting, though, how people, in my limited, super limited experience into the hunting world, are very entrenched and dug in.

00:54:12.000 It's either, no, these animals, like, this is Bambi, how could you do that?

00:54:15.000 Or they have an understanding of what's going on.

00:54:17.000 I'm like, oh, okay.

00:54:17.000 Yeah.

00:54:18.000 I have a friend who's a hardcore vegan, and he's kind of an asshole about it. 0.99

00:54:21.000 But he's got dogs, and he feeds him dog food, and he buys dog food from the dog food store. 0.99

00:54:25.000 And it's got animals chopped up, ground up, stuffed into these bags.

00:54:29.000 And he's good with that? 1.00

00:54:30.000 And I'm like, you're a hypocrite. 1.00

00:54:32.000 I'm like, you're a fucking hypocrite. 1.00

00:54:34.000 You really are. 1.00

00:54:35.000 He's like, well, the dogs are carnivores.

00:54:36.000 We're not.

00:54:37.000 I go, no.

00:54:38.000 You choose to not be a carnivore.

00:54:40.000 You choose to be an herbivore.

00:54:42.000 Okay?

00:54:42.000 But most humans are omnivores.

00:54:44.000 I was going to say.

00:54:44.000 That's how we evolved.

00:54:45.000 We evolved to eat a wide variety of foods. 1.00

00:54:48.000 And this thing that you're doing is just, you're standing out, and he's an asshole. 1.00

00:54:52.000 He's a nice guy, but he's an asshole. 1.00

00:54:54.000 And he's always been like a really negative guy. 1.00

00:54:57.000 Like, he's nice to me.

00:54:58.000 He's nice to his friends.

00:54:59.000 But he's always had this propensity for negativity.

00:55:02.000 Pessimistic attitude towards the world. 0.94

00:55:04.000 Which is shitty to people. 0.91

00:55:04.000 Yeah. 0.91

00:55:05.000 He's successful as a human being, but shitty to people. 0.98

00:55:08.000 Like, for whatever weird reason. 0.98

00:55:10.000 Just has this aggressive attitude.

00:55:11.000 And now he uses it against people that are involved in hunting.

00:55:16.000 And he gets off on it.

00:55:18.000 He thinks it's fun.

00:55:19.000 You know, it's a weird thing that you can sort of justify the torturing and killing of these animals to feed your dogs.

00:55:26.000 But when someone wants to go out and hunt an animal to eat it...

00:55:29.000 Like, I get all the people...

00:55:32.000 That are pissed off that people go out and hunt lions and don't eat them and hunt elephants and don't eat them.

00:55:37.000 Or giraffes and stuff, yeah.

00:55:39.000 I'm with you 100%.

00:55:40.000 But here's the thing.

00:55:43.000 That's not eating deer.

00:55:45.000 That's not hunting buffalo or bison and eating bison.

00:55:49.000 That's not hunting and eating things.

00:55:51.000 We're talking about two totally different things.

00:55:54.000 And then when you get to like the lions and the elephants and There's a real problem, and the real problem is that there's not enough money in conservation to ensure the safety of these animals unless these animals are valuable. 0.94

00:56:09.000 And the most valuable way that you can present these animals, and this is fucked up, is as hunting targets.

00:56:17.000 And I'm not saying this is the only way to do it, and I think it's not. 0.94

00:56:21.000 But Africa is a crazy place, and the best documentary about it is Louis Theroux, who's a British documentarian, did this trip where he went to one of those high-fence hunting camps in Africa. 0.84

00:56:34.000 You know those things?

00:56:35.000 I've been to Africa.

00:56:37.000 I was in Kenya, but I've never been around any of them.

00:56:40.000 But you weren't hunting people, were you?

00:56:41.000 I was actually there building schools.

00:56:43.000 Oh.

00:56:43.000 Well, look at you.

00:56:44.000 I'm a humanitarian, Joe.

00:56:45.000 You're a sweetie.

00:56:45.000 At heart.

00:56:46.000 I am a sweetie.

00:56:48.000 But Louis Theroux's documentary, Louis Theroux, his documentary is amazing.

00:56:53.000 Because you kind of get the sense of what it's all about.

00:56:55.000 Like these animals, a lot of them were going extinct just a couple of decades ago.

00:56:59.000 Because there's massive poverty all throughout Africa, and there's no money, and they figured out that if you take these animals, protect them, put them inside a fenced area, and talking about these enormous like 10,000 acre reserves, preserves,

00:57:14.000 and then people fly in to hunt them on a daily basis, they get a tremendous amount of money.

00:57:20.000 So then these animals, their populations are booming.

00:57:22.000 They're higher than they've ever been, and the animals are protected.

00:57:26.000 They're no longer in any danger of being extinct.

00:57:29.000 But a lot of people are super uncomfortable with the circumstances.

00:57:32.000 I get that, too.

00:57:33.000 I'm in the same boat as you.

00:57:34.000 Like, to me, I don't...

00:57:35.000 Like, hunting a giraffe, not into it personally.

00:57:39.000 I'm not going to make a character judgment against somebody who is or the elephant or whatever animal you may go to call it trophy hunting.

00:57:48.000 Like, I... I don't know enough about it.

00:57:51.000 I would assume and hope that the situation is exactly like you described, where the people who live in the area are managing and monitoring the species and making sure it's good to go.

00:57:58.000 And if they're doing that, I have no issue with it. 0.99

00:58:01.000 And in the same breath, I totally understand why it's very off-putting to individuals who see a picture of that and just loses their shit. 0.98

00:58:07.000 Yeah, I completely get the elephant thing in particular. 0.99

00:58:11.000 Elephants, to me, are this kind of majestic, sweet animal.

00:58:15.000 But the reality of people living in Africa is different.

00:58:18.000 People that live in Africa, elephants destroy their crops, trample them.

00:58:22.000 I mean, it really becomes a big issue if elephants move into areas where they're farming.

00:58:27.000 Yeah.

00:58:28.000 And they have to do something about it.

00:58:30.000 And sometimes they'll have to hire hunters or have someone come in and do it.

00:58:33.000 And then once someone does shoot one of those elephants...

00:58:36.000 The amount of people that come in, have you ever seen what happens?

00:58:39.000 I think you posted a picture, or it was either you or Cam posted a picture of, I think it was an elephant, and it was a line of people outside of the border of the picture.

00:58:47.000 I'm assuming they were waiting to come and get their share of the meat or whatever it was from that animal.

00:58:51.000 Yeah, I mean, these are people that have a really hard time getting meat, and elephant meat, as gross as it sounds to people listening to this, is supposed to be unbelievably delicious.

00:58:59.000 If you were raised on it, I mean, yeah.

00:59:01.000 It's supposed to taste really good.

00:59:03.000 I'm not saying you should go out and get an elephant burger, folks, but I'm just saying... 0.96

00:59:06.000 Please don't, actually.

00:59:07.000 This whole thing is, it's very complicated.

00:59:09.000 And you could say, well, these people shouldn't be raising crops where the elephants live.

00:59:14.000 The problem is, this is not like any other thing.

00:59:18.000 It's not like an encroachment issue. 1.00

00:59:20.000 These people are living in a fucking village in Africa. 1.00

00:59:24.000 I mean, this is like literally where humans evolved. 0.99

00:59:26.000 So this is a real situation of humans in a very small tribal situation encountering elephants that just decide that, hey, I'm an elephant. 0.98

00:59:37.000 I'm fucking 10,000 pounds. 1.00

00:59:39.000 I'm just gonna eat your food, bitch. 1.00

00:59:40.000 And you ain't gonna do shit. 1.00

00:59:42.000 And these people don't know what to do about it. 0.97

00:59:43.000 There's a lot of that.

00:59:45.000 See, that's the other thing.

00:59:46.000 People say, well, elephants are going extinct.

00:59:49.000 Yes and no.

00:59:50.000 In some places in the world.

00:59:52.000 You go to Iowa, there's no elephants, right?

00:59:54.000 Montana as well, they're extinct.

00:59:55.000 No elephants.

00:59:56.000 But there's parts of Africa that have a lot of elephants, and they actually have to control the populations.

01:00:02.000 And it's the same thing with deer.

01:00:04.000 Like, people in California will tell you, You know, hey, you know, you shouldn't shoot a deer.

01:00:09.000 You talk to people in Iowa and you're like, please, you got to shoot these deer. 1.00

01:00:12.000 My wife wrecked her fucking car. 1.00

01:00:13.000 She's in the hospital. 1.00

01:00:14.000 Same thing in Montana.

01:00:15.000 There's deer on the side of the road.

01:00:17.000 Everywhere.

01:00:18.000 Everywhere.

01:00:19.000 And you can see fur on the bumper.

01:00:22.000 Bumper is in.

01:00:23.000 Windshield smashed.

01:00:24.000 It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to put two and two together.

01:00:27.000 Yeah.

01:00:28.000 It's a very advanced degree. 0.99

01:00:29.000 I love how people in Montana have those fucking road warrior grills. 0.99

01:00:33.000 Oh, I got one. 0.99

01:00:33.000 Bring it! 0.99

01:00:34.000 Come on, deer! 1.00

01:00:36.000 Apparently, if you hit a deer in Montana, you can call the fish and game, let them know it happened, throw it in the trunk.

01:00:42.000 Yeah, I like that.

01:00:43.000 That's good, because then you get to keep the meat.

01:00:46.000 The meat doesn't just go to waste.

01:00:47.000 I like that as long as you're not driving around looking for a deer. 0.99

01:00:50.000 Well, that's what someone said, but the problem with that is the odds of you hitting a deer on purpose are like fucking zero. 0.95

01:00:57.000 I know, but if you try to avoid them, it's a pretty high percentage. 0.96

01:01:00.000 I've almost hit a few.

01:01:01.000 Like, I don't want to hit a deer in this truck.

01:01:03.000 Oh my God!

01:01:04.000 Yeah, I remember I was coming home once.

01:01:05.000 I had a gig in upstate New York.

01:01:07.000 And I was driving down to where I lived in New Rochelle, and I hit this one patch that had so many deer, I had to drive like 20 miles an hour on the highway. 0.98

01:01:18.000 It was fucking insane. 0.94

01:01:19.000 They probably wouldn't even get out of the way either. 0.99

01:01:20.000 They were just darting in front of the road, like left and right, left and right.

01:01:24.000 And I'm talking like an infestation.

01:01:26.000 It was crazy.

01:01:28.000 And this is what happens when there's no predators and no hunters.

01:01:32.000 And, you know, you don't want wolves in your backyard, people, unless you live in Montana.

01:01:36.000 Kind of cool.

01:01:37.000 I would still take a strong pass on wolves in the backyard.

01:01:41.000 Yeah.

01:01:42.000 I would like to see them.

01:01:43.000 When I was up there, this lady who lived up there was talking to us, and she said she lives in this canyon, and they had wolves come through a couple nights before, and I said, what is that like?

01:01:52.000 She goes, well, it's two things.

01:01:54.000 She's like, it's beautiful, and you also have to be cautious.

01:01:59.000 So it's this thing where you're like, I really love that they're there, and I love looking at them, but I want them to go away.

01:02:06.000 I love looking at them from the safety and security of the inside of my house.

01:02:10.000 Yeah, she's like, well, people get a little nervous about their livestock and definitely their pets.

01:02:15.000 I go, their pets?

01:02:16.000 She's like, yes, that's number one. 0.97

01:02:18.000 They will kill dogs real quick. 0.89

01:02:20.000 I bet it sounds amazing, though, to hear a pack of wolves in the wild.

01:02:23.000 I have no experience with that.

01:02:26.000 I had never heard an elk bugle until September.

01:02:29.000 Oh, wow.

01:02:29.000 And I also thought that after I heard them bugling, I assumed that they did that all year round.

01:02:36.000 I just thought, okay, elk communicate by bugling.

01:02:38.000 I had no idea that for basically a month you can hear them communicating like that, and then they zip it and start working together as a little...

01:02:45.000 Probably not a herd.

01:02:47.000 I had no idea.

01:02:49.000 And I was in a valley when I was in the middle of my other than optimal hunting experience and just surrounded by a view.

01:02:57.000 We couldn't have had this conversation at this volume because it was so... 0.98

01:03:01.000 I'm like, you got to be shitting me. 0.56

01:03:03.000 There's a film that's coming out Friday when me and Cam went to Utah and we're hunting elk in Utah. 0.91

01:03:10.000 And there's one scene in it where we just...

01:03:12.000 Every now and then if you go elk hunting, especially this one place in Utah is this enormous ranch.

01:03:18.000 It's a private ranch and it's 240,000 acres.

01:03:21.000 Where were you in relationship to Salt Lake City?

01:03:23.000 A couple hours.

01:03:24.000 In which direction?

01:03:25.000 A couple hours drive.

01:03:26.000 I wasn't paying attention.

01:03:27.000 Jed was driving.

01:03:28.000 You don't know North, South, East, West.

01:03:30.000 I was looking at my phone.

01:03:31.000 So it was in Utah.

01:03:32.000 I got it.

01:03:32.000 I wasn't even looking.

01:03:32.000 There you go.

01:03:33.000 We're in Utah.

01:03:34.000 Get off Twitter, Joe. 1.00

01:03:34.000 God damn it. 1.00

01:03:35.000 I had to do email. 0.99

01:03:36.000 I was behind.

01:03:38.000 So anyway, there's this one part of the film where we're in there and you literally, you might hear a hundred bugles around us.

01:03:45.000 It's like, brr!

01:03:49.000 Screaming left and right.

01:03:50.000 Yeah.

01:03:51.000 And you know the audio, even if you were in like an IMAX theater, would not do it justice.

01:03:56.000 No.

01:03:57.000 I couldn't believe it.

01:03:59.000 The one thing I know I don't have enough of is interactions around animals to understand behavior and patterns and what to expect.

01:04:07.000 And that day was a reinforcement of that.

01:04:10.000 My jaw was on the floor.

01:04:11.000 I could not believe What it sounded like.

01:04:14.000 It's like a mystical animal.

01:04:17.000 Like the sound it makes.

01:04:18.000 It's almost like a Lord of the Rings character.

01:04:20.000 And when you watch him do it, too? 0.99

01:04:21.000 We watched this one elk fuck this cow elk. 1.00

01:04:26.000 And it's crazy the way they do it. 0.99

01:04:28.000 The way they do it is like a Brock Lesnar double leg takedown.

01:04:31.000 Like he got on top of her from behind and then...

01:04:35.000 Boom! 0.99

01:04:36.000 He hits her one time and just shoves her forward and she collapses on her front legs and he kind of like wobbles off of her. 0.98

01:04:43.000 But he's a one pump chump. 0.99

01:04:46.000 Maybe that's what they're into. 0.93

01:04:47.000 That's what they're into.

01:04:48.000 Yeah.

01:04:49.000 One, bang, get it done, move on to the next.

01:04:52.000 And he's doing it all day long and protecting.

01:04:53.000 For a month.

01:04:54.000 Yeah.

01:04:56.000 Draining himself.

01:04:57.000 They lose like 30, 40 pounds.

01:04:58.000 Oh, do they really?

01:04:59.000 Probably more.

01:05:00.000 Yeah.

01:05:01.000 Well, I'm saying 30, 40 pounds, but they're a 700, 800 pound animal.

01:05:05.000 I bet they lose a lot more than that.

01:05:06.000 They get real skinny.

01:05:07.000 They stop eating. 1.00

01:05:08.000 They just fuck like crazy for two months. 1.00

01:05:11.000 Unbelievable animal. 1.00

01:05:12.000 Probably the most majestic animal that I've ever been around.

01:05:14.000 I cannot wait until next September.

01:05:16.000 Yeah, there's a real controversy in Montana about wolves because the wolves that are in Montana right now have been reintroduced from Canada.

01:05:24.000 They captured them from Canada and then reintroduced them to the Yellowstone area.

01:05:29.000 And there's a really interesting video about it called the Wolves Changing Rivers, I think it's called.

01:05:37.000 It's like a short film.

01:05:39.000 It's a short film.

01:05:40.000 I think it's called How Wolves Change the River.

01:05:44.000 And it all just talks about how the introduction of the wolves changed the way the river flowed because...

01:05:52.000 is this it?

01:05:54.000 How Wolves Change Rivers.

01:05:56.000 Yeah, it's pretty badass.

01:05:57.000 Because it shows the need for predators.

01:06:01.000 It shows that you can't just have this overabundance of wildlife, like undulates, cows and elk and things, because they eat all the grass.

01:06:11.000 And when they eat all the grass, the trees never grow a strong root system, so there's a lot of things happen, like erosion.

01:06:16.000 It turns the ecosystem on its head.

01:06:17.000 Yeah.

01:06:18.000 Yeah, and some birds don't survive.

01:06:23.000 Songbirds have been spotted in really high numbers in Yellowstone now.

01:06:28.000 There's a bunch of stuff they documented, but a lot of it is because the wolves chased down the elk and decimated the elk population and knocked it down to half, but in the process made those elk just a little bit more wary, a little smarter.

01:06:45.000 Still a healthy population.

01:06:46.000 But that's kind of how it's supposed to be.

01:06:48.000 It's not supposed to be...

01:06:49.000 Like these hunters that live there, they got super spoiled.

01:06:52.000 Because they were used to seeing hundreds of elves.

01:06:55.000 Yeah, they'd roll out of bed like...

01:06:56.000 Slide open the door and get the laser rangefinder out.

01:07:01.000 Yeah.

01:07:01.000 Well, especially if you're a rifle hunter, which a lot of them are.

01:07:04.000 There's way more rifle hunters than boat hunters.

01:07:05.000 I can't get behind that.

01:07:07.000 Can't get behind rifle hunting?

01:07:07.000 I can't get behind rifle hunting.

01:07:11.000 No, I can't.

01:07:12.000 You need meat.

01:07:13.000 It's the way to do it.

01:07:14.000 I get it.

01:07:14.000 I'm saying meat myself personally.

01:07:15.000 It has no draw or interest whatsoever.

01:07:18.000 Yeah.

01:07:19.000 Bow hunting, on the other hand, now we're talking.

01:07:22.000 What's the difference to you? 0.99

01:07:24.000 One, I absolutely suck at.

01:07:26.000 And the other one, I generally can hit what I'm aiming at.

01:07:30.000 And it's easier with the rifle.

01:07:32.000 Like wind is the perfect example.

01:07:34.000 You take a shot with a rifle in high wind.

01:07:36.000 The wind, when you're thinking of rifle, is from the ballistic effect of the round.

01:07:40.000 You know, left or right and the temperature and all that stuff.

01:07:43.000 Wind with a bow, you're crawling on your belly and you're being a ninja.

01:07:47.000 And then it's like...

01:07:49.000 Animal's gone. 0.99

01:07:50.000 Like, God damn it. 0.99

01:07:51.000 Completely different ballgame. 0.99

01:07:53.000 You could sit with a rifle with a cooler and a bowl of chili and get an elk.

01:07:59.000 Well, you know another thing that gets me with rifles?

01:08:02.000 I don't think you should make it any more difficult.

01:08:05.000 That's not my point.

01:08:06.000 I think... 0.87

01:08:07.000 The most effective and efficient and ethical way you should kill an animal should be the way you do it.

01:08:13.000 But there's these pods that people have, these tripods that they set up.

01:08:16.000 It's a tripod with a bench.

01:08:19.000 It's essentially got like a mobile rifle bench sitting there.

01:08:24.000 So it's got a sled, you know, like a lead sled.

01:08:27.000 Attach to the top of the bench.

01:08:27.000 You can just bring your finger in from the outside and just bring it back.

01:08:30.000 And it doesn't move at all.

01:08:31.000 No.

01:08:31.000 You don't even have to have it in your shoulder.

01:08:32.000 You lock it in place.

01:08:34.000 You screw it down so you have it at the perfect angle.

01:08:36.000 You set it on the vitals and you just squeeze it off and boom!

01:08:39.000 And the bullet goes exactly where you want it.

01:08:41.000 In that setup, you could actually not even have it shouldered.

01:08:44.000 You could go sit in a chair to the side of it and just...

01:08:46.000 Oh, yeah.

01:08:46.000 People do it all the time.

01:08:47.000 Yeah.

01:08:48.000 To be clear, I support hunting however you want to do it.

01:08:51.000 I'm a full fan.

01:08:52.000 For me, personally, I just can't get into rifle hunting.

01:08:55.000 It's too easy.

01:08:56.000 If you put an elk anywhere from 0 to 1,500 yards in front of me, it's game over, son.

01:09:03.000 Right.

01:09:03.000 Well, you're an expert marksman, though.

01:09:05.000 I would say I'm a marksman.

01:09:07.000 I don't know if I would add expert to it, but I can sometimes hit things at distance.

01:09:10.000 Oh, but you're being all humble.

01:09:11.000 I miss sometimes.

01:09:12.000 I got some good miss stories.

01:09:15.000 But when you see an animal and you're hunting with a bow, so the thing is the difficulty and the challenge and the connection to the animal is way more intense because you're trying to get inside of 40 yards.

01:09:27.000 The whole thing to me is it's not a matter of how much I feel like I can do right.

01:09:31.000 It's a matter of how few things I can mess up.

01:09:34.000 And I love...

01:09:36.000 Fighting against the odds like that.

01:09:38.000 I love the challenge of having to worry about not only cover and concealment and, you know, high ground versus low ground, but shadows and light and moving and noise inside of that moving and monitoring the wind. 0.97

01:09:51.000 And then the fact that the animal might just want to go take a piss and you're screwed.

01:09:55.000 You get the best stock in the woods. 0.96

01:09:56.000 I gotta take a whiz. 0.81

01:09:57.000 I love the challenge of it and I suck at it.

01:10:01.000 So it is a draw to me that And my wife is already shaking her head at me. 1.00

01:10:07.000 She's like, God damn it, you're going hunting again? 0.98

01:10:08.000 I'm like, yeah. 0.99

01:10:09.000 So I think for some people, the issue that they have is that they think that killing an animal should not be this pleasurable challenge.

01:10:19.000 That it should be, if you are going to eat animals, you should be shooting them in the head with a high-powered rifle where you can't miss and they die instantaneously and there's no suffering.

01:10:28.000 If only that situation actually existed. 0.98

01:10:31.000 Well, it can. 0.99

01:10:32.000 If you shoot him from five yards. 0.99

01:10:34.000 Well, you know... 0.97

01:10:35.000 I've missed some big targets with a rifle from pretty damn close.

01:10:38.000 How close?

01:10:39.000 Seven feet.

01:10:42.000 Hey, man, when you're running through a hallway, it's tough sometimes.

01:10:45.000 Well, that's a different animal.

01:10:46.000 It's a different animal, both figuratively and literally.

01:10:49.000 But I missed.

01:10:49.000 I missed.

01:10:50.000 You know, there is no 100% solution.

01:10:53.000 That's true.

01:10:54.000 I get it.

01:10:55.000 Right, but if an animal doesn't know you're there and you're setting up and it's a 100-yard shot and you have a 30, a 300-win mag or something like that.

01:11:01.000 Yeah, you're done.

01:11:01.000 And you don't even need to get to 100 yards, realistically.

01:11:03.000 You could be a 300 or a 500 or whatever you feel comfortable shooting at.

01:11:09.000 If you want meat, though, it's the way to go.

01:11:12.000 But also, why not enjoy the experience?

01:11:15.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with...

01:11:16.000 To me, it's a challenge.

01:11:18.000 And more than a challenge, whatever sounds gay, but it's a journey.

01:11:22.000 I enjoy... 0.94

01:11:22.000 Why does that sound gay? 0.94

01:11:23.000 I don't know, just...

01:11:24.000 Journeys are gay? 1.00

01:11:26.000 It depends, I guess, on the type of journey.

01:11:27.000 How do you feel about The Lord of the Rings?

01:11:30.000 That was a journey.

01:11:31.000 That was a journey.

01:11:32.000 I watched all those movies.

01:11:34.000 What about the books?

01:11:35.000 I didn't read the books.

01:11:37.000 I want to go to New Zealand and jump off the cliffs in that movie.

01:11:39.000 Oh my god.

01:11:41.000 But the journey is...

01:11:43.000 Like, why not enjoy it?

01:11:44.000 I enjoy the struggle.

01:11:46.000 I enjoy that it's hard to hit what you're aiming at with a bow.

01:11:50.000 Exponentially more so that every time you add a yard to the distance.

01:11:53.000 I enjoy that the animals are...

01:11:57.000 They have instincts that are amazing.

01:11:59.000 And that you cannot defeat their nose.

01:12:01.000 And that you can't control...

01:12:02.000 I enjoy all of that.

01:12:03.000 That, to me, is...

01:12:06.000 I think, and I'm enjoying that experience.

01:12:09.000 And then, again, this is my first bow hunting season.

01:12:12.000 I started bow hunting in late August, so I have almost no experience under my belt.

01:12:16.000 But I do enjoy the final aspect of that as well, too, and getting into position and being able to perform in that moment.

01:12:23.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with enjoying killing an animal that you're doing so respectfully.

01:12:27.000 And, like, my freezer right now, my house, my goal...

01:12:31.000 Yeah.

01:12:44.000 Yeah.

01:12:46.000 Yeah.

01:12:51.000 And enjoying the journey along the way.

01:12:52.000 No, I agree with you, but I just wanted to hear you spell it out because that's the issue that a lot of people that are sort of in the animal rights activist side of things, one of the things that they would have an issue with is the enjoyment part of it. 0.99

01:13:05.000 I can't help it if some people are pussies. 0.95

01:13:09.000 The challenge of doing things that are hard is enjoyable. 0.99

01:13:14.000 And succeeding at things that are difficult to do is also enjoyable.

01:13:19.000 Yeah, why can't you be happy about winning?

01:13:21.000 Why can't you be happy about accepting a challenge willingly and nobody's forcing you into it?

01:13:26.000 And when you're successful, you're not only happy with that success, but you're happy with every step along the way.

01:13:31.000 I don't see any problem with that.

01:13:32.000 Well, because they're Bernie Sanders supporters.

01:13:35.000 I'm not qualified to talk on that topic. 0.96

01:13:39.000 People are like, who's fucking with you right up until that point, man? 0.98

01:13:42.000 I fucking love Bernie! 0.99

01:13:44.000 Relax. 0.99

01:13:45.000 We're joking around here, folks.

01:13:46.000 Yeah.

01:13:47.000 I love it, man.

01:13:48.000 Even if you're not a hunter, I mean, if someone doesn't want to hunt, I think take prolonged trips to the wilderness. 0.94

01:13:53.000 I think it's fucking great for you.

01:13:55.000 I think I started doing it in 2012, and it's changed my life. 0.97

01:13:58.000 I wholeheartedly agree.

01:14:00.000 I'm dead serious when I say I don't think you figure out who you are until you get into those environments.

01:14:05.000 I have...

01:14:07.000 Taken a sounding on the depth of who I am as a human being in the worst most physically arduous moments of my life And I and I wish that more people would willingly go to that point I think that it would it changes my perspective for sure it changes my appreciation for things Nothing will make you appreciate the little things in your life more than nearly dying And having,

01:14:31.000 you know, like, oh, wow, like, I have all of these things that I wasn't paying attention to.

01:14:35.000 Well, people don't know, people who didn't listen to your earlier podcast don't know your story.

01:14:39.000 So tell people what happened when you almost died.

01:14:42.000 On the jumping side of the house or the military side?

01:14:44.000 No.

01:14:45.000 Let's go to the military first and then we'll go to the jumping side.

01:14:47.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I necessarily...

01:14:49.000 Because it seems to me like you might be supplementing your need for danger with this jumping thing.

01:14:53.000 We need to talk about how you describe me as a psychopath every time you have... 1.00

01:14:57.000 I know this fucking crazy dude! 1.00

01:14:59.000 Dude, you're crazy. 1.00

01:15:01.000 You don't think you're crazy. 1.00

01:15:01.000 I'm the sanest person that I know. 1.00

01:15:03.000 No.

01:15:03.000 And I texted you that once and you responded...

01:15:05.000 You think I'm crazier than you?

01:15:06.000 No, I said, I think I'm the... 0.76

01:15:08.000 Yeah.

01:15:08.000 What?

01:15:09.000 Yeah, because...

01:15:09.000 How?

01:15:10.000 Well, for one, you willingly used to enter into fights, and you have said before that you would have gone into the octagon at an earlier age.

01:15:18.000 To me, that's insane.

01:15:21.000 It's just for whatever reason, like going in there and just willingly going and just getting into a fistfight with somebody.

01:15:25.000 How much martial arts experience do you have?

01:15:27.000 Exactly zero.

01:15:28.000 Yeah.

01:15:29.000 Martial arts, a lot like bow hunting.

01:15:32.000 How much wind-suit base jumping experience do you have? 0.99

01:15:34.000 Fucking zero. 0.99

01:15:35.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:15:35.000 I want to take a dirt nap with zero on the ledger. 1.00

01:15:39.000 Look at that fucking picture. 1.00

01:15:40.000 Look at that suit. 1.00

01:15:41.000 Goddamn, I love that suit. 1.00

01:15:41.000 Damn, that earth looks round. 1.00

01:15:43.000 Weird. 1.00

01:15:44.000 Fish eye lens, Joe.

01:15:45.000 Fish eye lens.

01:15:46.000 What I've been able to determine from my jumping is that, yes, people, the world is round.

01:15:51.000 You saw it from the sky?

01:15:52.000 You could tell?

01:15:53.000 Are you sure?

01:15:55.000 When I jump from pretty high, you can see a little curve.

01:15:58.000 Here's something that someone pointed out that's a really good point.

01:16:01.000 I want to reiterate it.

01:16:02.000 I retweeted it.

01:16:04.000 You could look at the moon with a telescope.

01:16:06.000 I was going to go to the same place because I read that.

01:16:08.000 Clearly, right, folks?

01:16:10.000 Okay.

01:16:12.000 Try to look and find Mount Everest with a telescope.

01:16:15.000 And then explain why you can't. 1.00

01:16:18.000 Yeah, you can't because it's on the other side of the fucking planet, you dummies. 1.00

01:16:22.000 You crazy people. 1.00

01:16:24.000 It's so sad to me. 1.00

01:16:26.000 It is.

01:16:26.000 People love mysteries, though.

01:16:28.000 They love things that are hidden, like hidden information.

01:16:31.000 Anyway.

01:16:32.000 That's why the seal books, right there. 0.99

01:16:34.000 You answered why people will buy because of that goddamn symbol. 0.98

01:16:37.000 They look and they're like, ooh, I want to know the secret. 0.99

01:16:40.000 Of course, yeah.

01:16:41.000 Yeah, and there is no secret.

01:16:43.000 That's the point.

01:16:44.000 I want to get to that, definitely.

01:16:47.000 How did I almost die?

01:16:49.000 The martial art thing, I think, is a lot like the bow hunting thing in that it's very, very difficult.

01:16:55.000 And once you start doing it, you get better at it, and then you get addicted to it.

01:16:58.000 And it's not crazy, people.

01:17:00.000 I'm not even talking about actual competing and fighting, but just training.

01:17:03.000 Because when you're training, you're competing.

01:17:05.000 When you go onto the mats, you train, you're trying to improve yourself, but you're also trying to tap someone who's trying to tap you, and you're both going at it.

01:17:13.000 And when you do it, and you get better at it, and you get better at it, you develop this kind of understanding of what it is, and it becomes this very addictive thing.

01:17:22.000 Guys are addicted hard to jiu-jitsu.

01:17:25.000 Well, is it possible to master, or is it a never-ending evolution? 0.97

01:17:28.000 Well, you'd be a master in comparison to someone who doesn't know what the fuck they're doing, but you will definitely... 0.89

01:17:34.000 Physically, the only problem is your body starts to break down. 0.91

01:17:37.000 As you get into your older ages, like most guys that I know that are in their 40s, and for sure in their 50s, I was in Hawaii recently with Ed O'Neill, who's a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

01:17:52.000 A lot of people don't know.

01:17:54.000 Big Ed O'Neill from Married with Children and Modern Family.

01:17:57.000 That guy, he's a beast.

01:17:59.000 Seriously? 0.97

01:18:00.000 Yes.

01:18:00.000 The dad?

01:18:01.000 Uh-huh.

01:18:02.000 Legit black belt in jiu-jitsu.

01:18:03.000 Under the Gracies.

01:18:04.000 Yeah.

01:18:05.000 Would have never guessed that in a million years. 1.00

01:18:07.000 So many fucks with them, they're getting thrown in their head and choked unconscious. 0.99

01:18:10.000 I would like to see this. 1.00

01:18:11.000 There he is, right there.

01:18:13.000 Ed O'Neill.

01:18:13.000 Black belt.

01:18:14.000 Training with Horry and Gracie.

01:18:17.000 Look at that.

01:18:17.000 What's the average journey to a black belt, years-wise?

01:18:20.000 I'd say 10. 10 is average.

01:18:22.000 And that's grinding, like getting after it, not Thursday every other week?

01:18:26.000 Yeah.

01:18:27.000 But some people get there quicker than 10. You know, BJ Penn got his in three.

01:18:32.000 I was a brown belt for eight years.

01:18:34.000 Eight years is a brown belt.

01:18:36.000 I like your style, Joe.

01:18:38.000 You and I can train together.

01:18:39.000 I was training like twice a week and, you know, trying to have a career.

01:18:42.000 But, you know, for the people that really get into it, that really get obsessed with it, it becomes just as addictive as archery, bow hunting, anything else.

01:18:54.000 And I think what we were talking about earlier, when we were talking about people being...

01:19:00.000 Angry and like on social media because they're not getting those natural rewards and the natural struggle of life and their life is very muted in that regard.

01:19:08.000 Or no struggle.

01:19:09.000 Yeah, or no struggle.

01:19:10.000 I think that's one of the reasons why jujitsu is so appealing to people.

01:19:13.000 And even though you get injured in jujitsu, but most of the injuries like, ah, I tweaked my back or I fucked up my elbow or my knee got screwed up.

01:19:20.000 It's not like brain injuries.

01:19:22.000 The brain injuries were the ones that were the most...

01:19:24.000 Disturbing to me because I was recognizing at like 21 that I was having some issues.

01:19:29.000 You were talking about this recently about just the headaches laying in bed.

01:19:32.000 I have and I know a lot of guys from previous career who are suffering from or discovering or the military is doing research into the causes of the brain injury issue.

01:19:45.000 It's not awesome to read your future when you get diagnosed with that.

01:19:50.000 You're like, okay, so what does it look like when I'm 60?

01:19:52.000 What does it look like when I'm 70?

01:19:54.000 That's not good at all.

01:19:56.000 Those aren't good tarot cards to read.

01:19:57.000 My good friend, Dr. Mark Gordon, who is an expert in traumatic brain injury and does a lot of work with soldiers.

01:20:05.000 And Andrew Marr's foundation, he has a warrior angel foundation.

01:20:11.000 Dr. Gordon does a lot of work with him and they they have Developed some really good protocols for helping guys and these help the shit ton of guys and he does a lot of the work for like nothing Yep, just trying to help as many people as he can because you know he's he's He's doing well financially.

01:20:29.000 He's not desperate for money.

01:20:31.000 He does a lot of charity work is my point.

01:20:33.000 He's dedicated a significant amount of his professional time to trying to find solutions for soldiers.

01:20:41.000 And also he's done a lot of work with football players and boxers and fighters.

01:20:46.000 Anybody who's going to get that enclosed brain trauma, at the end of the day, I think on the chart it ends up looking the same.

01:20:52.000 It doesn't matter how he necessarily got it.

01:20:53.000 The UFC is involved in some new protocols now, too.

01:20:57.000 They've developed some stuff in San Diego, in fact.

01:21:01.000 I forget what the medical institution that's doing it, but they've got something they're doing with some sort of electromagnetic therapy.

01:21:10.000 Magnetic Resonation.

01:21:11.000 You know what it is?

01:21:12.000 Have you heard it?

01:21:13.000 It may well be the same clinic.

01:21:15.000 There's a couple of buddies that I have who came to San Diego, La Jolla area.

01:21:20.000 They would go in once a day or twice a day for a quick session.

01:21:23.000 I'm pretty sure it was magnets placed either across from each other, whatever it was.

01:21:27.000 A protocol, I think it was for a month.

01:21:30.000 And to a person, they all actually said that they had significant Yeah.

01:21:55.000 I think most of the time they give them a 90-day suspension, which in my opinion is way too short.

01:22:01.000 Because first of all, they say like 90 days, no contact, but those guys are going to be sparring before then.

01:22:07.000 So that is the issue that I've heard with some of the active duty guys now.

01:22:11.000 They'll go in and From a perspective, if they kind of want to preempt and get an idea of where their head is at currently, they'll go in and they'll get a scan or however they...

01:22:20.000 They couldn't give me the scans because I have retained metal in my body, but I think a lot of it is based off of MRIs and the magnets and stuff.

01:22:27.000 And they'll recognize that they have the precursors or they'll have damage to their head and the guy's...

01:22:37.000 They don't want to take any time off.

01:22:38.000 They just want to get back into it.

01:22:40.000 It's a struggle.

01:22:41.000 They're like, hey, listen, this could be what it could look like for you in the coming years.

01:22:44.000 And the guy's like, yeah, I get it, but put me back in, coach.

01:22:48.000 It's a struggle to get them to take time off, which doesn't surprise me that the UFC guys are the same way.

01:22:52.000 No, that's absolutely the way they are, especially the real savages, the ones who are the winners. 0.78

01:22:57.000 Like Michael Bisping, you know, he lost to George St. Pierre and then three weeks later fought against Calvin Gesslem and got stopped.

01:23:04.000 And a lot of people criticized that, me included, saying they shouldn't let him in there.

01:23:08.000 You know, I mean, he needs time to recover.

01:23:10.000 He got battered in that fight, got choked unconscious, then you got him fighting again three weeks later.

01:23:14.000 It's just not smart.

01:23:15.000 But he would have probably, not knowing a thing about it, fought tooth and nail to get into that ring, would be my guess.

01:23:21.000 Yeah, and he would probably fight two weeks later. 1.00

01:23:23.000 He's a fucking animal. 1.00

01:23:25.000 Until you're... 1.00

01:23:25.000 Yeah, until you're done. 1.00

01:23:26.000 60 and then you're drooling on yourself and, you know, you think you're the Easter Bunny.

01:23:30.000 Yep.

01:23:30.000 I mean, that's not a good look.

01:23:32.000 No.

01:23:33.000 And it's possible.

01:23:34.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:23:35.000 Yeah, you have to almost protect people from themselves, or maybe there could be an argument that there should be sort of a comprehensive education, for fighters at least, because this is an elective thing, right?

01:23:48.000 In which you're definitely going to get hit.

01:23:50.000 For soldiers, might be a good argument as well, but that there should be some sort of elective...

01:24:00.000 Or, you know, some sort of an education thing.

01:24:03.000 That's the word I was going to say.

01:24:04.000 At least educate to the...

01:24:08.000 Just go into whatever situation you're going to go into, whether it's the UFC or the NFL or the military, whatever.

01:24:13.000 Just go in with an educated perspective instead of going in blank and at the end of it not understanding where you're at and why it happened.

01:24:22.000 So what do you think it is that makes you want to jump out of planes?

01:24:26.000 Perfectly good airplane.

01:24:28.000 You put a squirrel suit on.

01:24:29.000 Yeah.

01:24:31.000 Do you think...

01:24:32.000 This is what I asked you before.

01:24:33.000 Do you think that this is like your...

01:24:38.000 Fulfilling some sort of a desire for excitement, some need for extreme situations.

01:24:45.000 Well, so skydiving, jumping out of an airplane, is, to me, if you follow some very basic principles, you know, being current and maintaining your gear and taking your time to pack your parachute, the most difficult, or not the most difficult, the most dangerous portion of a day skydiving will be your drive to the drop zone and your drive home. 0.98

01:25:06.000 So what happens to those people that fuck up and die? 0.97

01:25:08.000 Well, there's two. 1.00

01:25:09.000 So you got to separate two categories.

01:25:11.000 There's jumping out of an airplane with a main parachute and a reserve parachute and a lot of altitude and a lot of time.

01:25:17.000 And then there's base jumping, which is off of a static object with one parachute, generally closer to the ground.

01:25:23.000 And that lack of altitude and separation from the ground gives you less time, less options.

01:25:28.000 You've got to be really tight on your A-game.

01:25:30.000 In both of those worlds, what I think and what my opinion is that kills the most people is complacency.

01:25:35.000 There has not been a gear-related fatality as far back as I can really find it, at least in the last 10 to 15 years.

01:25:43.000 It's people killing themselves, not the gear killing them.

01:25:46.000 How does that work?

01:25:47.000 What do you mean?

01:25:47.000 How do they kill themselves?

01:25:50.000 Getting in over your head, attempting a maneuver that you have no ability to recover from if it were to go wrong.

01:25:56.000 In the skydiving world, to use the wingsuit as an example, if you keep the suit flying straight, it feels incredibly stable.

01:26:06.000 It feels like you're laying in an air mattress.

01:26:07.000 It's not hard at all.

01:26:08.000 You literally get out of the aircraft and you spread your arms and legs out.

01:26:11.000 There's ram air inlets that inflate the suit and you can lay on it.

01:26:14.000 You can literally just relax and lay in the suit and you'd fly at 60% of your performance.

01:26:18.000 To make up a number that's probably somewhat accurate.

01:26:22.000 But then, maybe you want to fly it on your back.

01:26:25.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:26:27.000 Then maybe you want to fly next to people.

01:26:29.000 Then maybe you want to do an intricate formation that's both vertically and horizontally separated.

01:26:33.000 I've heard of people colliding while skydiving.

01:26:36.000 Yes.

01:26:36.000 It has catastrophic results, like limbs get ripped off.

01:26:40.000 Yeah, there was a pair of golden knights that didn't decapitate.

01:26:43.000 The guy from the pelvis down cut off both legs.

01:26:46.000 But you can get yourself going, you know, 100 miles an hour forward speed.

01:26:49.000 Cut off both legs.

01:26:51.000 Yep.

01:26:52.000 What hit what?

01:26:53.000 His head.

01:26:54.000 Or shoulder hit his, I believe, the lower portion of his legs.

01:26:57.000 And what happened to the guy's shoulder?

01:26:59.000 He had a vacation in the hospital for a little bit, and the other guy died.

01:27:03.000 Whoa.

01:27:04.000 Yeah.

01:27:05.000 Actually, you know what?

01:27:06.000 I think I might be wrong on that.

01:27:07.000 I think the dude with no legs...

01:27:08.000 I think the dude with no legs is the one who lived, because he jumped again.

01:27:14.000 The guy who hit him is the one that died. 1.00

01:27:17.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:27:18.000 He jumped again after that? 1.00

01:27:20.000 Yeah.

01:27:21.000 You're like, yeah, of course.

01:27:22.000 Of course he did. 1.00

01:27:23.000 It's like when you text me, you're like, would you do this shit in France into the plane? 0.99

01:27:26.000 I'm like, don't ask me rhetorical questions. 1.00

01:27:27.000 I'm in.

01:27:28.000 Yeah, I saw one that I was going to ask you.

01:27:29.000 A guy was trying to get into the plane.

01:27:31.000 He was doing the squirrel suit into the plane, but he missed.

01:27:34.000 Yeah, sometimes he missed.

01:27:35.000 And he bounced off the plane and it didn't look good.

01:27:37.000 So that was the same Red Bull dudes.

01:27:40.000 And that is probably the worst situation you could get into because you could see he was spinning in the suit.

01:27:45.000 And that is how you can kill yourself in a wingsuit.

01:27:48.000 If you try some crazy maneuver that you're not capable of doing, you essentially stall the suit and then you end up on your back spinning out of control.

01:27:56.000 You'll black out and, you know, whatever happens, happens.

01:28:00.000 What happened to that guy that bounced off the plane?

01:28:02.000 He pulled it out.

01:28:03.000 He did?

01:28:04.000 He did, because, you know, later in that video, yeah, I mean, but those, so that guy, that is Fred and Vince.

01:28:08.000 They're Red Bull dudes.

01:28:09.000 They're at the absolute apex of what's possible.

01:28:12.000 And, yeah, I mean, he hit it, he was able to recover, because later in that video, they were both able to successfully get in.

01:28:20.000 But that guy has been jumping for decades and tens of thousands of jumps, so of course he can recover from that.

01:28:27.000 If you got 10 jumps, you're dead.

01:28:30.000 But the problem is, people see that video and they're like, I know what I'm doing on Thursday.

01:28:36.000 And they die. 1.00

01:28:36.000 They do stupid shit. 1.00

01:28:38.000 And they're not aware of their ability or their skill. 1.00

01:28:41.000 They're just not looking in the mirror and being honest with themselves.

01:28:44.000 They attempt something crazy.

01:28:46.000 The most common in skydiving thing is somebody to die under perfectly functioning equipment.

01:28:51.000 They'll have a really small main canopy.

01:28:54.000 Like most main canopies, the canopy you're suspended under in your harness when you're learning is about 300 to 360 square feet.

01:29:01.000 It's like driving a school bus.

01:29:03.000 It's really slow turns.

01:29:04.000 It doesn't dive.

01:29:06.000 And a lot of people try to get to these little postage stamp parachutes that are 71 square feet, 69 square feet.

01:29:14.000 And in those canopies, if you initiate a turn, regardless of what you do after that turn, you cannot pull the canopy out of the dive until it goes through its natural recovery arc.

01:29:25.000 So if you initiate that turn 300 feet low, you're done.

01:29:30.000 You'd be lucky to walk away with a set of powdered femurs, which is exciting to watch from the ground. 1.00

01:29:36.000 It's a very interesting noise to hear happen.

01:29:38.000 That's best case scenario.

01:29:40.000 Middle of the ground would be wheelchair with a colostomy bag for the rest of your life. 1.00

01:29:44.000 Worst case scenario, you're getting carted off in an ambulance and you're dead.

01:29:47.000 And it's just a rush to get to that super small canopy or you just started jumping.

01:29:52.000 So this is like a status thing?

01:29:54.000 Guys want to show you that they're jumping with a super small canopy?

01:29:57.000 You ever see people in the mixed martial arts world who just started and they think they're ready for the cage? 0.99

01:30:02.000 Yes.

01:30:03.000 It's the exact same thing.

01:30:04.000 I bet you it happens in motocross.

01:30:06.000 Surfing, like, you know, a guy learns to surf, he's like...

01:30:09.000 North Shore, let's go.

01:30:10.000 Like, excuse me, sir, you're using a foam surfboard that's 12 feet long.

01:30:14.000 If you go to the North Shore, you're going to die.

01:30:16.000 But nothing you say to them.

01:30:16.000 Is it easier to use a foam one that's 12 feet long?

01:30:18.000 I don't know.

01:30:19.000 I don't know where it came from that from, but probably on a smaller wave.

01:30:22.000 Maybe I should get a foam surfboard that's 12 feet long.

01:30:24.000 I think either way, though, on the North Shore, you're going to die.

01:30:27.000 But you try to tell that to that person.

01:30:28.000 They don't want to hear it.

01:30:29.000 They're ready.

01:30:30.000 And not only are they ready, I need to go to Best Buy and get about four GoPros, and then we're going to send this thing. 0.97

01:30:35.000 And you're dead.

01:30:37.000 And it presents this and creates this.

01:30:40.000 I don't like to talk about the risk necessarily because there is, in my opinion, a community of people that really romanticize that risk and they define themselves by that risk, where that's not for me, that's not what I'm looking for at all.

01:30:53.000 But when it comes to skydiving, it's just fun, man.

01:30:56.000 I cannot not smile when I'm flying that wingsuit.

01:31:00.000 You're doing 120 miles an hour forward, face first.

01:31:03.000 You ever get a bug in the mug?

01:31:04.000 Oh yeah, you'll come down speckled.

01:31:06.000 I've almost hit a bird base jumping in Switzerland.

01:31:09.000 But again, there's a difference between skydiving and base jumping.

01:31:13.000 Skydiving is, if you have enough experience and you learn that you can handle with most likely what's going to come up, you can just focus on having fun.

01:31:21.000 Base jumping is a different activity, for sure.

01:31:24.000 It looks the same.

01:31:26.000 It's a different sport.

01:31:27.000 I don't even call it a sport.

01:31:29.000 It's an activity.

01:31:29.000 How many guys have you seen die?

01:31:32.000 Base jumping and skydiving?

01:31:34.000 In a squirrel suit, actually not that many.

01:31:39.000 I have seen more people die under the super small canopies turning too low and just impacting the ground.

01:31:45.000 I mean, it's a sight to be seen where the canopy, it's in such a steep dive, like as the canopy is up top, as you pitch over, your body is actually above the canopy, so it hits and they pendle them into the ground.

01:31:59.000 It's like wet meat on concrete.

01:32:03.000 You know exactly.

01:32:04.000 And you can hear it coming because the canopies whistle.

01:32:06.000 The lines that suspend you underneath the canopies are cutting through the air.

01:32:09.000 And you just hear it.

01:32:11.000 You look up and then wham!

01:32:14.000 As far as actually physically watching people go in...

01:32:18.000 May 2, I think.

01:32:20.000 But my last trip to Switzerland in 2016, last year, I was in the valley with my buddy Alex, and we were there for two weeks, and 15 people went in.

01:32:31.000 15. How many people were there?

01:32:35.000 It's hard to say.

01:32:36.000 And that's why, again, I think you have to be careful talking about the stats and the risk, because I don't really know how many people partake in that activity.

01:32:43.000 But I can tell you this, of those 15, zero were gear-related.

01:32:46.000 Not a single one was because their gear failed.

01:32:53.000 We're good to go.

01:33:06.000 Mess around with that.

01:33:07.000 But I try to do it on a very limited time period.

01:33:09.000 I try to have outs and I try to work my way into that position.

01:33:13.000 And what I have seen personally, which doesn't mean that this is the norm, what I have personally seen with my own eyes is people that don't take that route and they want to go straight to just, hey, hold my beer.

01:33:24.000 And there's just no room for error.

01:33:26.000 Yeah.

01:33:27.000 That's a lot of people, though.

01:33:28.000 Like, what percentage of the people died?

01:33:31.000 Like, how many people were there?

01:33:32.000 I don't know.

01:33:32.000 Probably a couple hundred.

01:33:33.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:33:35.000 A couple hundred and fifteen people croaked?

01:33:38.000 Yeah.

01:33:39.000 That's a lot.

01:33:42.000 That's a lot.

01:33:43.000 Again, I try to be honest.

01:33:46.000 I accept the activity.

01:33:48.000 Here's my thing.

01:33:48.000 I don't ever want to gamble, but I am willing to take risk.

01:33:51.000 And I know that that activity has some risk associated with it.

01:33:54.000 But for me personally, the benefit outweighs the risk.

01:33:57.000 And I also spend most of my year trying to put in place things that can mitigate that risk, like jumping all the time and being current in my suit.

01:34:05.000 And, like, I'll walk away.

01:34:06.000 I've been at plenty of exit points where the weather wasn't good or the wind wasn't good.

01:34:10.000 I just wasn't feeling it.

01:34:12.000 And I think a lot of other people probably had the same feelings, and they're zipping up their suit, getting ready to go.

01:34:16.000 And I'm like, peace out, man.

01:34:18.000 I'll see you later.

01:34:18.000 I'm going to go drink a bottle of red wine and, you know, have a blast.

01:34:22.000 Yeah.

01:34:22.000 I don't...

01:34:23.000 I would love to be the bass jumper that has walked away from more exits than anybody else on Earth. 0.95

01:34:28.000 More than I would like to be the bass jumper that's done more extreme shit than anybody else on Earth.

01:34:32.000 Like, how many times do you think you've walked away? 0.84

01:34:33.000 How many times have you gotten to a situation where you're at the starting line and you're like, mm, this doesn't feel right?

01:34:38.000 15, 20?

01:34:39.000 Wow.

01:34:40.000 That's a lot. 1.00

01:34:58.000 So the ratio of busting your ass to smiling is very askew. 0.99

01:35:02.000 It's like Disneyland. 1.00

01:35:03.000 Pretty much. 0.61

01:35:04.000 Except it's actually fun and it's not full of pedophiles.

01:35:08.000 Disneyland's full of pedophiles? 0.95

01:35:09.000 Of course. 0.96

01:35:10.000 Really?

01:35:10.000 That's where all the kids are.

01:35:11.000 Where would you go if you were a pedophile?

01:35:13.000 I didn't think of it that way. 0.99

01:35:14.000 Come on now. 0.68

01:35:15.000 It's like being a freak and going to the strip club. 0.90

01:35:17.000 Come on. 0.99

01:35:17.000 There you go. 0.99

01:35:19.000 You know what kills me about Disneyland?

01:35:22.000 My kids love Disneyland, so we go there quite often.

01:35:24.000 There's these gangs, Disneyland gangs.

01:35:28.000 Have you ever seen them before?

01:35:29.000 What are you talking about?

01:35:30.000 They wear vests like they're in Hell's Angels, and their vests are covered with Disneyland buttons and patches.

01:35:37.000 These are Disneyland employees you're talking about, right?

01:35:39.000 No.

01:35:41.000 No.

01:35:41.000 These are gangs of Disneyland fans.

01:35:44.000 And they used to have entry admission things where like to get in there.

01:35:48.000 There.

01:35:49.000 See?

01:35:49.000 The Disneyland gangs.

01:35:50.000 Do you remember what I was saying a second ago about the pedophiles?

01:35:53.000 Yeah.

01:35:54.000 The hitchhikers, Disneyland...

01:35:56.000 Waltz, Misfits, SoCal, yeah, with a skull, with a Disneyland hat on.

01:36:01.000 And these people go and they have things that they would have to have, like, little things that they would have to accomplish to get entry into these gangs.

01:36:10.000 And one of the things was they would have to have one of the rides go down. 1.00

01:36:14.000 So they'd have to make a ride go down in order to get entry into this stupid fucking gang. 1.00

01:36:19.000 How does one do that? 1.00

01:36:21.000 Throw something into the gears.

01:36:23.000 Oh, that's good.

01:36:24.000 Thank you for that. 1.00

01:36:25.000 When we were there, this one dumb lady, this is how fucking genius this dummy was. 1.00

01:36:32.000 California Screamin' is the roller coaster where you do that loop where you go upside down. 1.00

01:36:36.000 Okay.

01:36:36.000 On the top of the loop, this dummy threw her purse and wanted to catch it on the way down.

01:36:43.000 Like, she had this idea.

01:36:45.000 How'd that work?

01:36:46.000 It didn't work.

01:36:47.000 It hit the ground.

01:36:49.000 It hit first.

01:36:50.000 The roller coaster ran over it, stopped the roller coaster, and they got stuck like three-quarters of the way up the loop. 1.00

01:36:57.000 And everybody's like, shit! 1.00

01:37:00.000 They stopped the roller coaster. 1.00

01:37:02.000 She went to jail.

01:37:03.000 You want to hear something really gross?

01:37:05.000 One couple, they had a two-year-old kid, and they caught them on security cam after the fact.

01:37:11.000 They hung back, and they put their kid near a Disneyland employee, and they went away and stepped away.

01:37:18.000 So the kid was, like, confused, didn't know what to do.

01:37:20.000 So this Disneyland employee kept an eye on the kid, and then called security, and the security took care of the kid.

01:37:25.000 And then they went to dinner, and they had drinks, and they went out, and then they went and retrieved their kid afterwards, security.

01:37:33.000 Not everybody should have kids.

01:37:34.000 But just imagine the monster you have to be to take your two-year-old kid.

01:37:39.000 You're like, I'm tired of having this kid.

01:37:40.000 Hey, I've got a great idea.

01:37:41.000 Oh, I'm sure their home life is amazing.

01:37:43.000 Very nourishing.

01:37:45.000 Monsters, man.

01:37:46.000 And you wonder, like, when you see a school shooting or something crazy, like, what happened? 1.00

01:37:51.000 This kind of shit. 1.00

01:37:52.000 You're raising a potential human being. 1.00

01:37:54.000 This kind of shit happens. 1.00

01:37:56.000 You have some fucking morons that are allowed to have kids. 1.00

01:38:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:38:01.000 And they basically shit on an innocent victim, which is my biggest issue with it. 0.97

01:38:06.000 I like the victimization of innocent people. 0.99

01:38:09.000 It drives me nuts.

01:38:10.000 Yeah, man.

01:38:11.000 Especially little two-year-olds.

01:38:13.000 It's crazy.

01:38:14.000 It's crazy that someone has that in them. 1.00

01:38:16.000 That they could be that fucking stupid that they have that in them. 1.00

01:38:20.000 And, you know, I wish that this was an isolated instance. 1.00

01:38:23.000 I'm sure there's quite a few of those.

01:38:25.000 Yeah.

01:38:26.000 I'm sure there probably is.

01:38:27.000 I can't believe you're drinking that kombucha stuff.

01:38:29.000 It's good.

01:38:30.000 Love it.

01:38:31.000 Doesn't the rye brain do the same thing for your gut? 0.98

01:38:34.000 No.

01:38:35.000 No.

01:38:35.000 That's a nootropic.

01:38:36.000 And the rye brain is alcohol. 0.72

01:38:38.000 It's probably bad for your gut.

01:38:39.000 I'm trying to counteract the effects.

01:38:41.000 That doesn't make any sense. 0.99

01:38:42.000 You don't fuck with kimchi either. 1.00

01:38:43.000 Absolutely not. 1.00

01:38:44.000 Gotta eat it, buddy.

01:38:44.000 I've seen that thing from...

01:38:46.000 Good for the mind.

01:38:46.000 Spent some time in Korea and watched those guys pulling that stuff out of the ground and they would offer it.

01:38:51.000 It's like, I'm...

01:38:51.000 No, I don't.

01:38:52.000 I wanted kimchi. 0.87

01:38:53.000 I wanted kimchi. 0.87

01:38:53.000 I'm more convinced now than ever, plus having a bunch of really good podcast guests that explain the benefits of probiotics and about how probiotics literally affect your gut ecosystem that affects your personality and your immune system and just all sorts of different aspects of your life. 0.87

01:39:11.000 But I've been eating kimchi almost, when I'm at home, daily.

01:39:16.000 Pretty much daily.

01:39:17.000 You either by itself or you pair it with a meal?

01:39:19.000 I pair it with a meal, usually. 1.00

01:39:20.000 But sometimes I'll just open up a jar and just eat a whole jar of the shit. 1.00

01:39:24.000 That's disgusting. 1.00

01:39:25.000 I don't give a fuck, sir. 1.00

01:39:28.000 Today I had kimchi with elk and jalapenos and there's some stuff called no bread. 0.99

01:39:36.000 Knows a company that makes KNOW. They make these gluten-free breads that are made with nuts and almonds.

01:39:46.000 How does it taste?

01:39:48.000 It tastes good.

01:39:48.000 Does it actually taste like bread?

01:39:50.000 It tastes good, no.

01:39:51.000 Not totally.

01:39:52.000 Not like a good piece of San Francisco sourdough bread.

01:39:55.000 It does not taste like that.

01:39:57.000 That's what it tastes like.

01:39:58.000 But it tastes good enough.

01:39:59.000 It's good for me, and most importantly, it doesn't jack up your glycemic index.

01:40:03.000 You don't have an insulin spike.

01:40:06.000 You feel good after you eat it.

01:40:07.000 You still riding the keto train?

01:40:10.000 Most of the time. 1.00

01:40:11.000 I will fuck off on occasion. 1.00

01:40:13.000 I will fuck off. 1.00

01:40:14.000 I fucked off last week. 1.00

01:40:15.000 I was in Hawaii, and I fucked off hard, son. 0.99

01:40:18.000 Thanksgiving was an interesting adventure and diet for me, too. 0.99

01:40:23.000 I drank every night.

01:40:24.000 I ate dessert every day.

01:40:25.000 I ate whatever I wanted.

01:40:26.000 I said, I'm on vacation.

01:40:27.000 I'm going to treat this like a vacation.

01:40:29.000 I'm going to have no restraint.

01:40:31.000 And I'm only going to eat...

01:40:32.000 I gained four pounds.

01:40:33.000 And I worked out every day.

01:40:35.000 I worked out every day.

01:40:36.000 Why does it only take one week to unravel what seems like a lifetime of work?

01:40:41.000 And then you start climbing back into the saddle.

01:40:43.000 You're like, okay, cool.

01:40:43.000 I guess I'll just move an inch at a time here.

01:40:46.000 You lost two miles along the way.

01:40:48.000 Well...

01:40:49.000 The good news is I kept working out, so it wasn't like I came back home terribly out of shape, feeling terrible, and having gotten drunk every night.

01:40:57.000 I bet if I didn't work out every day, I probably would have gained like 7 or 8 pounds.

01:41:01.000 Oh, 100%.

01:41:02.000 You probably at least still kept your metabolism up and high.

01:41:06.000 Yeah, but I was like, this is what I'm going to do.

01:41:09.000 I'm going to treat it like this.

01:41:10.000 I'm going to work out every day so that I don't have to think about it, so I could just go crazy.

01:41:14.000 You're managing guilt.

01:41:15.000 Yeah.

01:41:16.000 I ate breakfast one day, and we stayed at this place that had a buffet, and they had chocolate croissants.

01:41:23.000 I had four chocolate croissants, and then I had two pieces of banana bread, and I had two sticky buns.

01:41:30.000 These sticky buns, and then I had all sorts of other food on top of that.

01:41:34.000 I just ate like a glutton.

01:41:38.000 Isn't it amazing?

01:41:38.000 I don't usually do that, so it's nice to do it for a vacation.

01:41:41.000 It feels amazing for a day or two.

01:41:43.000 Yeah, but I felt so weak.

01:41:44.000 Like when I would go to the gym, I literally felt like I was working out underwater. 0.82

01:41:48.000 Like my body was just combating all the booze and all the shitty food. 0.64

01:41:51.000 With that or I'll find my gas tank is just done. 0.89

01:41:54.000 Yeah, done.

01:41:54.000 Like you start, you normally like, okay, I'm going to warm up and you're just like, whoa.

01:41:58.000 Yeah.

01:41:58.000 I think I'm done here.

01:41:59.000 This place had a heavy bag, and I knew they had a heavy bag, so I brought boxing gloves and hand wraps and everything, and I have a timer on my phone, so I set the timer up and I just wailed away. 0.84

01:42:08.000 It's fucking great because you know those Apple EarPods? 0.64

01:42:11.000 Yeah, I have a set. 0.96

01:42:12.000 Probably the best Apple, not to make an ad for Apple, probably the best thing I've ever bought from Apple is AirPods. 0.97

01:42:17.000 They're fucking great. 0.97

01:42:17.000 AirPods are great. 0.97

01:42:18.000 And here's the thing, when you have this timer, it would play me music, but then the timer, like the noise of the timer would also go through the AirPods.

01:42:28.000 So you're getting both.

01:42:28.000 Yeah, so when it was getting to like 10 seconds, it would alert me.

01:42:31.000 But I would think like, oh man, punching the bag and even kicking the bag, those AirPods are going to fall out.

01:42:36.000 No, they didn't.

01:42:37.000 I've actually yet to have them fall out, yeah, regardless. 0.93

01:42:41.000 The only time I've had them fall is when I was doing chin-ups because my shoulders are so fucking massive. 0.66

01:42:45.000 They touch my ears. 0.98

01:42:48.000 So they didn't fall out, they were ripped out by your massive shoulders.

01:42:51.000 Yeah, they just, my ears bumped up against my shoulders.

01:42:54.000 But that's it.

01:42:55.000 It's the only time they've ever accidentally fallen out.

01:42:57.000 But what's interesting is, you take one out, and it knows that you have it out, so the sound stops. 0.94

01:43:04.000 Like, how the fuck did they figure that out? 0.92

01:43:07.000 Wizardry? 0.99

01:43:07.000 They just pull one out. 0.99

01:43:08.000 I don't know.

01:43:08.000 People have no problem talking to you while you have headphones on.

01:43:11.000 They just start talking.

01:43:12.000 Like, they see the headphones, and they just start talking to you.

01:43:16.000 Pretend like you can't hear them.

01:43:18.000 And you point to the headphones and they're like, no, no, no, you have to talk to me.

01:43:21.000 They talk louder.

01:43:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:43:22.000 I don't give a fuck if you're on the phone. 1.00

01:43:25.000 I don't give a fuck if you're in the middle of the most important audiobook ever. 1.00

01:43:29.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:43:29.000 Getting the secrets of the universe right now. 0.99

01:43:31.000 People won't talk to you, man.

01:43:32.000 I think that might be more of a problem that you deal with as opposed to others, but...

01:43:36.000 I think girls get it more than me. 0.98

01:43:39.000 Are you done with those words?

01:43:40.000 I know women who have put headphones into their ears and not even attached it to a device. 1.00

01:43:45.000 Just so people will leave them alone. 1.00

01:43:47.000 Just stick it right in their pussy. 1.00

01:43:49.000 I don't know if you can hear. 1.00

01:43:50.000 I don't know if that would necessarily work.

01:43:53.000 What island do you go to in Hawaii?

01:43:56.000 My favorite is Lanai.

01:43:57.000 Is that where you guys went for Thanksgiving?

01:43:58.000 No, we went to the Big Island this time.

01:44:00.000 Nice.

01:44:01.000 But I think Lanai is the way to go because there ain't nobody there.

01:44:04.000 And you've got to take two flights.

01:44:06.000 From what, L.A.? Yeah, you've got to go to Honolulu and then you take a little puddle jumper.

01:44:11.000 One of them little Buddy Holly killing planes.

01:44:12.000 There you go.

01:44:15.000 Hey man, I got some magic backpacks you can borrow.

01:44:18.000 They ask you how much your packs weigh, and you're like, oh no, don't say that.

01:44:22.000 How much do you weigh, sir?

01:44:24.000 Don't lie.

01:44:24.000 Please don't lie.

01:44:25.000 Actually pad it by about 10%, and you're going to be okay. 1.00

01:44:27.000 Yeah, I wonder what they do if they get a really overweight person who they know might be full of shit. 1.00

01:44:33.000 I know what happens. 1.00

01:44:34.000 Ladies.

01:44:35.000 I know what happens.

01:44:36.000 They jack up a couple of pounds.

01:44:37.000 When I was super young, I remember that I went on a cruise with my grandparents to Alaska.

01:44:44.000 I don't know where we started, but we went up to Alaska.

01:44:45.000 When we were flying back from Alaska, puddle jumper to probably Juneau to get on the big plane, and they looked at my grandfather a little up and down like, sir, you're on the next flight.

01:44:56.000 Really?

01:44:57.000 Yep.

01:44:57.000 They bumped him.

01:44:58.000 Grandpa had a gut.

01:44:59.000 Grandpa, he was built.

01:45:03.000 Big boy?

01:45:04.000 He was built from the belly button up to the chest.

01:45:09.000 Like a beach ball.

01:45:12.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

01:45:13.000 I wouldn't want to be on a puddle jumper with a really big guy that was full of shit. 1.00

01:45:17.000 No, you'd kill everybody. 1.00

01:45:18.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:45:19.000 At some point, the plane's like, hey, I know you're pulling back on the yoke, but I actually can't take off, so you're all going to die now.

01:45:24.000 And that's not the way to go either.

01:45:25.000 Right, because someone has an ego, and they can't tell you they're 400 pounds, not 350. Correct.

01:45:29.000 Yeah.

01:45:29.000 So I think they actually took his luggage off, and he had to come back, I think it was the next day.

01:45:33.000 Well, the real problem is for someone who's 400 pounds, they have to find a scale that goes up to 400 pounds.

01:45:39.000 Or you gotta time it as it goes around.

01:45:41.000 But Joey Diaz was telling me that, that when he was 400 pounds, like, he didn't know how much he weighed.

01:45:47.000 Because the scale at his doctor's office only went to 300 pounds. 0.99

01:45:50.000 And he'd have that thing fucking pegged. 0.99

01:45:53.000 Bang! 1.00

01:45:54.000 And then, you know, he'd lose 50 pounds and it would still be pegged.

01:45:59.000 I think that's not a good sign.

01:46:01.000 Nope.

01:46:03.000 I mean, I'm not a doctor, obviously.

01:46:05.000 But I think that all this stuff, when you see all these people that are morbidly obese, I think this is all...

01:46:13.000 There's a lot of things, right? 0.67

01:46:14.000 There's shitty food, there's bad gut flora, addiction to refined carbohydrates and sugars, alcohol, a lot of things that make people that fat.

01:46:26.000 But on top of that, I think a lot of it is that they don't have real physical challenges in their life on a daily basis. 0.79

01:46:34.000 Especially physical challenges that they enjoy, that forces them to be disciplined about their health and to understand that their body is a...

01:46:42.000 It's not just your body, okay?

01:46:44.000 It's like you have this variable vehicle and the more time you put into it and the more you pay attention to it and the more discipline you use to keep this thing running, the better it's going to work for you.

01:46:55.000 And if you use it all the time, you're going to appreciate it. 0.99

01:46:58.000 But if you just use it to walk over to the couch and crack a beer and start fucking filling your face with chips and cookies... 0.99

01:47:05.000 You don't think about what it is. 0.99

01:47:07.000 And you don't have to rely on it to survive.

01:47:09.000 You don't have to chop wood.

01:47:10.000 You don't have to carry anything.

01:47:12.000 You don't have to rely on it.

01:47:13.000 You don't have to do anything. 1.00

01:47:13.000 You got to look on your phone for the right app to have Uber deliver your food so you don't even have to get off of your ass. 1.00

01:47:21.000 That's a new thing. 0.99

01:47:22.000 It's a new thing, but I bet you it's pretty popular.

01:47:24.000 I bet it doesn't come to your neck of the woods.

01:47:26.000 I bet I wouldn't order it even if it did.

01:47:29.000 I don't...

01:47:29.000 Do you have restaurants in your town?

01:47:31.000 Well, yes.

01:47:32.000 We also have electricity and running water.

01:47:33.000 No.

01:47:34.000 We do.

01:47:35.000 I thought you had a well.

01:47:36.000 I do at the house we have in the woods.

01:47:39.000 Oh, okay.

01:47:39.000 It's an amazing well.

01:47:40.000 You should come visit sometime.

01:47:41.000 I like wells.

01:47:41.000 I like the idea of a well.

01:47:42.000 The water is... 0.99

01:47:43.000 God damn, it's good. 0.99

01:47:45.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:47:45.000 It's unbelievably... 1.00

01:47:47.000 Crystal clear spring water.

01:47:48.000 It just tastes different.

01:47:49.000 Yeah.

01:47:49.000 It tastes different, too.

01:47:51.000 Yeah, I like the small town.

01:47:53.000 We have...

01:47:54.000 We have everything we need.

01:47:56.000 Probably a couple things that we probably still need.

01:48:00.000 And not much of what we don't.

01:48:02.000 Is there any crime?

01:48:04.000 I'm sure.

01:48:05.000 I actually...

01:48:06.000 Yeah, I bet you there's some a little bit off the rails crime.

01:48:08.000 I think any place...

01:48:11.000 So we don't live in Whitefish.

01:48:12.000 Whitefish is like 15 miles north of us.

01:48:15.000 I'm pretty sure there's a large white nationalist, white supremacist flavor.

01:48:20.000 I've read some stuff about it.

01:48:22.000 I haven't really looked into it too much, but I knew that they were getting ready to do a little bit of a march-type action rally.

01:48:27.000 You should walk around everywhere in blackface. 1.00

01:48:29.000 I don't think that's the call.

01:48:33.000 I don't think that would...

01:48:34.000 Get yourself an Afro. 0.99

01:48:36.000 God. 0.94

01:48:36.000 I was thinking of just driving my truck through the White Nationalist Rally because my truck is black, so... 0.94

01:48:41.000 Right. 0.91

01:48:42.000 There you go.

01:48:43.000 Get yourself one of them tiki torches and see if you fit in. 1.00

01:48:46.000 Fuck me, man. 1.00

01:48:47.000 Jesus. 1.00

01:48:49.000 Those fucking dickheads. 1.00

01:48:51.000 All those dickheads in Charlotte walking on the street with Home Depot torches. 1.00

01:48:54.000 I still can't figure out if they're serious. 0.99

01:48:58.000 Oh, they're serious. 1.00

01:48:59.000 They're really, really fucking stupid. 1.00

01:49:00.000 With a Home Depot tiki torch in your hand, you're serious? 1.00

01:49:04.000 Yeah, they're serious. 1.00

01:49:05.000 They just want a torch, and they're so fucking stupid, they don't realize how that's going to be mocked. 1.00

01:49:10.000 I don't know if they even care. 1.00

01:49:11.000 I think they're just glad they're getting coverage so that they feel that their message is getting out to everybody who needs to hear it. 1.00

01:49:17.000 Well, everybody did need to hear it because most people didn't know that there was a group that's that fucking stupid that's willing to go into the streets like that and do it in this day and age when you're on the internet and people are going to realize, oh, you're a Nazi? 1.00

01:49:29.000 You have a swastika on your chest, you dumb cunt? 1.00

01:49:31.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

01:49:32.000 Yeah.

01:49:32.000 All right.

01:49:33.000 There you go, buddy.

01:49:33.000 I don't know if it's that bad up in Whitefish, but I do know that there is...

01:49:38.000 I have found as you get to the remote areas, it seems like drug-related crime might be a tad higher.

01:49:44.000 Gets a little meth-y.

01:49:46.000 Yeah, I was going to say meth, but I'm not sure.

01:49:47.000 I mean, anecdotally, I think from my perspective, that's what it seems to be like, but I haven't...

01:49:51.000 I mean, I feel super comfortable.

01:49:53.000 I don't feel...

01:49:56.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

01:49:57.000 It feels smaller is the only way that I can describe it.

01:50:00.000 And that feeling feels awesome.

01:50:02.000 Yeah, it's peaceful, right?

01:50:03.000 Yeah.

01:50:03.000 It's like more relaxed.

01:50:04.000 Yeah, it's another great word.

01:50:05.000 For sure.

01:50:05.000 It's slower, too.

01:50:06.000 Yeah.

01:50:07.000 It is, like I said, the only regret is that I wish we had been able to do it.

01:50:12.000 Well, we were able to do it.

01:50:14.000 We just didn't do it.

01:50:14.000 I wish we had done it a couple years ago.

01:50:16.000 Yeah, I felt that way about Boulder.

01:50:18.000 Boulder feels like that to me.

01:50:20.000 Boulder feels to me like...

01:50:22.000 It's only 100,000 people, which is way bigger than your town.

01:50:26.000 Yeah, 22,000.

01:50:26.000 That's crazy.

01:50:28.000 But everything's like, oh, it's just calmer.

01:50:31.000 Boulder's an interesting town.

01:50:32.000 It reminded me a lot of where I grew up in Santa Cruz.

01:50:35.000 Very left.

01:50:37.000 It's a great place if you're selling tofu.

01:50:39.000 Santa Cruz is a great place to grow up.

01:50:41.000 The problem is that a lot of people don't leave Santa Cruz.

01:50:43.000 It's so far left that it ends up on the right somehow.

01:50:47.000 It's insane.

01:50:49.000 The guys and girls that I went to high school with, a couple of them have never left.

01:50:54.000 Not that I haven't really maintained contact with them, but even if I did, I don't know if I'd have anything to talk to them about.

01:50:59.000 It's such an insulated...

01:51:01.000 So the small town that we live in, I want my kids when they grow up and they get to that age, they gotta leave.

01:51:06.000 They gotta go and experience something else.

01:51:07.000 I don't want them to think that that 22,000 people is, this is how the world is.

01:51:11.000 The best thing I did in Santa Cruz was leaving at some point.

01:51:16.000 A friend of mine has been on the podcast before, used to be on this podcast called Citizens Radio, and he was a real heavy-duty, lefty, social justice warrior type character.

01:51:27.000 And somewhere along the line, He ran afoul of them because he dates girls, and girls are calling him a predator or something like that.

01:51:37.000 He really didn't do anything wrong.

01:51:38.000 If you look at it on paper, like, okay, what did he do wrong?

01:51:41.000 There was nothing.

01:51:42.000 There was no rape.

01:51:43.000 There was no assault.

01:51:45.000 There was no harassing.

01:51:46.000 It was him trying to get laid, which I thought is normal. 0.97

01:51:50.000 But I guess not in that world.

01:51:51.000 It's problematic.

01:51:53.000 In the social justice world? 0.96

01:51:55.000 It's problematic to be an aggressive sexual predator. 0.79

01:51:58.000 What she did is actually predatory and really not cool at all.

01:52:02.000 But what he said was that when he was in that world, he wasn't even aware of dissenting viewpoints because he was so insulated because everybody in that world thought a certain way.

01:52:13.000 And so you just get accustomed to these very rigid sort of channels of thinking and everybody sort of follows these channels and he literally wasn't even aware of The possibility of there being a dissenting point of view that was rational.

01:52:31.000 How do people not realize that's inherently dangerous?

01:52:35.000 They get caught up in it.

01:52:36.000 People are super tribal.

01:52:38.000 I don't have to tell you that.

01:52:40.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:52:41.000 But at the same point, I try to recognize in myself, if I'm whatever, consuming anything, information, if I'm like, okay, I need to go and figure something else out or hear another viewpoint, or at least try to balance it.

01:52:52.000 To me, the spotty senses start going up.

01:52:55.000 If too many people are saying the same thing, if everybody's all chanting the same, it's like, what's going on?

01:52:59.000 We might be down the rabbit hole here, and we need to take a few steps back.

01:53:02.000 Yeah, but that's because you are a winner, sir.

01:53:05.000 And some people are just not.

01:53:07.000 I don't have tiger blood, but I'm trying.

01:53:08.000 There's some things that people have that are, like, unfortunate.

01:53:11.000 And one of the things that people have is this, like, deep desire to have other people like them and to fit in and to cause zero friction and to be amenable to the groupthink.

01:53:28.000 You know?

01:53:29.000 It's like it's a real it's a common issue with folks like you see them like just slotting into group think ideology and Whether it's group think on the right side or group thing. 0.99

01:53:39.000 I mean there's a lot of fucking really dumb people that I follow on Twitter that are Make America Great Again people like I'll go to hashtag MAGA every now and then and just like Just start reading tweets and just just like fucking Macaulay Culkin from home alone my hand on my head going Oh my god, 0.99

01:53:56.000 these people are serious You know, drain the swamp. 1.00

01:53:58.000 Hashtag drain the swamp.

01:54:01.000 And I'll go and I'll read these people's tweets.

01:54:04.000 I'm like, these people are just apes that are in a tribe. 0.97

01:54:08.000 They are really, really...

01:54:10.000 Not all of them, folks.

01:54:11.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:54:12.000 There's a lot of people that are Make America Great Again people that really do feel like...

01:54:16.000 It's a good thing to have this guy in office.

01:54:17.000 Stock market's up.

01:54:19.000 I'm not talking about you. 0.96

01:54:20.000 But I'm talking about people that have this tiny little brain.

01:54:24.000 And this tiny little brain just needs to slot into a place.

01:54:27.000 And this is where they found.

01:54:29.000 This is their spot. 1.00

01:54:30.000 And then you go on to their Twitter page and these motherfuckers are on all day arguing with people about Trump. 1.00

01:54:38.000 All day. 1.00

01:54:39.000 Accomplishing nothing.

01:54:40.000 No.

01:54:41.000 But they feel like they are.

01:54:42.000 They got a huge microphone and they're getting absolutely nowhere.

01:54:45.000 Yeah, and they're just constantly checking their responses, checking their tweets, checking their thing, back and forth, back and forth.

01:54:50.000 You know what scares me about that is, again, I feel like I'm late to the game to everything.

01:54:57.000 And social media, late to the game.

01:55:01.000 Podcasting, late to the game.

01:55:02.000 Like I was telling you, I'm trying to play catch-up.

01:55:05.000 And I used to look at the news and...

01:55:08.000 Largely accept you know what I could corroborate on each side and now I can't look at any of that and so I just have to use my own eyes But I see with my own eyes people arguing with their head down so much about what they believe that they're actually not seeing what's happening around them And because nobody trusts anything and they only repeat what they say It provides the seams for people to do shit that as a country I don't think we want to go in that direction in that distraction Moves are being made that people aren't paying attention to Yeah,

01:55:37.000 I feel like with all this thing about Trump and Russia and everybody thinking that Flynn is gonna turn on Trump and this is it, we're gonna...

01:55:45.000 Trump's going down, Trump's going down, like, hey, hey, hey, guys... 0.99

01:55:49.000 North Korea's got nuclear capability, and they've just launched some new fucking missile. 0.99

01:55:56.000 Yeah, some ICBM. Yeah, high into orbit that's capable of reaching America. 0.99

01:56:00.000 Do you understand what's happening?

01:56:01.000 And we're sending stealth bombers over to South Korea.

01:56:04.000 We are literally a few steps away from the brink of a nuclear war.

01:56:09.000 We're not there yet, but we're where everybody should be going, hey, hey, hey, hey, what? 0.99

01:56:15.000 What the fuck is going on over here? 0.99

01:56:17.000 What is this? 1.00

01:56:18.000 Why are we even battling them? 0.99

01:56:20.000 What the fuck is the issue? 0.99

01:56:22.000 Other than the fact that... 0.99

01:56:24.000 I mean, if you want to talk about going somewhere where you have a real communist dictatorship that is a ruthless military dictatorship that has an entire...

01:56:35.000 Country of people enslaved, North Korea is the spot. 1.00

01:56:38.000 I mean it really is.

01:56:39.000 Do you see the video of that defector?

01:56:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:56:42.000 Holy shit. 0.99

01:56:44.000 Gene, pull that up. 1.00

01:56:45.000 My man got Swiss cheesed and just kept the foot on the gas pedal.

01:56:49.000 Kept going.

01:56:50.000 Made it.

01:56:50.000 They're shooting at his truck.

01:56:51.000 Holy cow. 0.89

01:56:52.000 He got shot five or six times. 0.99

01:56:54.000 Five or six times, riddled with like parasites. 0.99

01:56:57.000 Yeah, big parasites, like two feet long. 0.98

01:56:59.000 My man. 0.99

01:57:00.000 I mean, there you go.

01:57:01.000 I wonder what would motivate somebody to run that hard and that fast.

01:57:04.000 And he made it.

01:57:05.000 And he made it.

01:57:06.000 He must be sleeping so good right now.

01:57:09.000 Yeah, well, he's probably getting fed.

01:57:10.000 Put the head on the pillow.

01:57:13.000 I mean, just imagine.

01:57:14.000 Oh, God.

01:57:15.000 Look at this dude.

01:57:17.000 Oh, get something.

01:57:18.000 Oh, fall down, buddy.

01:57:19.000 Nice.

01:57:19.000 That guy probably played it off, though.

01:57:21.000 He's like, yeah, I wanted to shoot from the prone position.

01:57:23.000 Is that all they have?

01:57:23.000 No, they have the full thing.

01:57:25.000 Yeah, you get the nightline version of it.

01:57:27.000 See if you can get the full actual video of it.

01:57:29.000 The full actual video of it is pretty interesting.

01:57:31.000 He was getting shot at in the car.

01:57:33.000 Yeah.

01:57:33.000 You could see the trace around.

01:57:35.000 And they're really close to him.

01:57:36.000 Yeah, that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

01:57:38.000 I miss some close shots.

01:57:39.000 Panicking. 1.00

01:57:40.000 There's fucking people. 1.00

01:57:41.000 So here it is. 1.00

01:57:42.000 This guy is just hauling ass. 0.99

01:57:45.000 Here's my question. 0.99

01:57:45.000 You think he was playing the radio? 0.99

01:57:48.000 Yeah, he's playing kickstart my heart.

01:57:50.000 He's just got Metallica ripping.

01:57:52.000 I'm going for it!

01:57:53.000 North Korea soldiers pursue the man while he flees in a military vehicle.

01:57:57.000 What kind of car has he got there?

01:57:58.000 It looks like a Jeep.

01:57:59.000 It looks like a Land Rover Defender.

01:58:02.000 So he stops the car, he gets out, and he's running.

01:58:05.000 And they're shooting at him from like feet away.

01:58:09.000 Fortunately, the guy on the far right's got a pistol. 0.99

01:58:10.000 He's not hitting shit. 0.99

01:58:11.000 He's tripping over his buddy. 1.00

01:58:13.000 Ooh, that guy's got a rifle though.

01:58:18.000 The Korean soldier accidentally crosses into South Korea during the pursuit.

01:58:22.000 So that's the line right there?

01:58:24.000 I do not know.

01:58:26.000 So that's all you have to do?

01:58:27.000 He's like, oh, I'm out.

01:58:27.000 Quickly turns around.

01:58:28.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:58:29.000 So there's not a fence?

01:58:30.000 I don't know.

01:58:31.000 You just have to get to that spot, and that's it?

01:58:33.000 I don't know about the DMZ. Shot and injured defector is pulled to safety by the South Korean military.

01:58:38.000 Whoa, that's amazing.

01:58:40.000 Oh, these people crawling.

01:58:41.000 That looks like the South Korean people.

01:58:43.000 Yeah, they're dragging him.

01:58:45.000 Holy cow, I didn't know about this.

01:58:47.000 Oh my god.

01:58:48.000 See the blood trail?

01:58:49.000 Oh, that's what that is?

01:58:51.000 Yeah, more than likely on a thermal.

01:58:52.000 Whoa, that's intense.

01:58:57.000 That's intense.

01:58:58.000 But you want to talk about an Iron Fist dictator that's happening right now and people, all they can think of is just...

01:59:04.000 Look at that guy go, though.

01:59:06.000 Look at him go.

01:59:07.000 He's out. 1.00

01:59:09.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:59:11.000 Fifth gear. 1.00

01:59:12.000 Yeah, I don't know the rules on the DMZ or where the actual line is.

01:59:16.000 Is this video on, like, South Korea's side?

01:59:19.000 Is that how someone saw this taking place?

01:59:21.000 Yeah, so it looks like he's driving from north to south.

01:59:24.000 Yeah.

01:59:24.000 Does he just have to get across that gate?

01:59:27.000 So this is just like a DMZ. It's almost like an unedited version.

01:59:31.000 It's like a ten minute version of it.

01:59:32.000 Wow.

01:59:34.000 I guess they just constantly monitor everything.

01:59:36.000 How weird must that tension be between the North and the South just staring at each other in the opposite side of the line and they both look exactly the same.

01:59:44.000 Yeah.

01:59:45.000 They're both Korean.

01:59:46.000 You know?

01:59:47.000 It's like the U.S. wall with Mexico.

01:59:49.000 People are like, oh, it's racist.

01:59:50.000 It's racist.

01:59:52.000 Because one people are brown and one people are white. 0.62

01:59:54.000 They can't even say it's racist over there.

01:59:56.000 They're both the same race.

01:59:58.000 They just look at each other and then they're at war.

02:00:00.000 They hate each other.

02:00:01.000 One's the enemy and one's not.

02:00:03.000 One has no money. 0.50

02:00:05.000 One is under the iron rule of a communist military dictatorship where they kill everybody.

02:00:09.000 The other one, they're making the best cell phones in the world.

02:00:12.000 The chicks are all getting plastic surgery. 1.00

02:00:15.000 You know, the boys are all fucking hip-hop break dancers and shit. 1.00

02:00:20.000 They have MMA over there. 1.00

02:00:22.000 They have everything. 0.91

02:00:23.000 South Korea, their Taekwondo is pretty fucking awesome.

02:00:26.000 Seoul is an awesome town. 0.95

02:00:27.000 I've been there.

02:00:28.000 Yeah, I've been there.

02:00:29.000 I spent my 20th birthday in Seoul, Korea in a bar.

02:00:32.000 People that think that socialism and communism is the answer to the woes that capitalism creates do not understand.

02:00:41.000 You're just missing the point.

02:00:44.000 It's so contrary to human nature, and it has, by the way, never been pulled off successfully in human history.

02:00:50.000 Yeah, I would love an example, and that's what I always ask people.

02:00:53.000 Just give me the example of what you want to use as the foundation for those principles, where it's been executed properly, where it's thrived, where it's survived, and I'll just sit here and wait.

02:01:03.000 And another part of the problem is that the people that are really, like, the people that are in the left that are, like, really progressive and support Marxism, the idea of Marxism and socialism, those people are in general very supportive of gay rights,

02:01:18.000 very supportive of women's rights.

02:01:20.000 Those are the first things that get trampled in these communist dictatorships.

02:01:25.000 That is the first thing that goes. 0.95

02:01:27.000 Like every single one of these communist Marxist rules, homosexuality is treated as the devil, like these people, they live in hell that you don't understand. 0.96

02:01:38.000 It is very difficult for me, after a long period of time, the majority of my adult life, to pick my head up and look around.

02:01:47.000 And most of the interaction, like I said, is social media.

02:01:51.000 I sit back and I watch and I see the things that people say and I see the complaints that they have.

02:01:56.000 Oppressed this, this, that or the other and I'll be the first person to say that there's inequality in the US just like there is in every nation on the face of the planet.

02:02:06.000 But to hear how people think how bad we have it and then to have seen with my own eyes places where people would To claw their way across the border to have the opportunities that people in this country have just waking up.

02:02:26.000 The sun rises over the United States and they wake up and they have so much opportunity that they don't appreciate.

02:02:30.000 It's very difficult for me to make sense of what's going on.

02:02:34.000 It's a bizarre place to be in.

02:02:36.000 Who are you people and where do you get these ideas?

02:02:39.000 I think they're idealistic and they think that we can do better, and I think that we can do better too.

02:02:44.000 But I think where people go afoul is where they start saying that they want equality of outcome.

02:02:51.000 And equality of outcome is contrary to equality.

02:02:56.000 Because when you have equality, equality, real equality, meaning you can do whatever you want to do, that breeds inequality.

02:03:04.000 Yes.

02:03:05.000 Because some people are going to work harder.

02:03:08.000 And competition is what pushes things.

02:03:10.000 And some people think that competition is bad.

02:03:13.000 And the reason why they think it's bad is because it makes them feel bad.

02:03:16.000 Like, I put something on Twitter today where they were saying that Fitbits That people using Fitbits is fat-shaming, and ableist, and it's problematic, and it causes all sorts of issues, and these educators were looking at Fitbits as being,

02:03:32.000 it's a real problem with the emotions of people, you know, they find out, and they start comparing, and it can cause all sorts of issues with people.

02:03:40.000 So they were literally saying that Fitbits, they're just devices that give you data that these things can be a problem.

02:03:48.000 How about competition's a good thing?

02:03:50.000 It's a good thing. 0.99

02:03:51.000 Yeah, how about it's okay to finish last because it'll motivate you to get off your ass and climb up the leaderboard. 0.99

02:03:57.000 Yeah, you're still alive. 0.99

02:03:57.000 Exactly. 0.99

02:03:57.000 Yeah, go again. 0.99

02:03:58.000 You don't win every time, stupid. 1.00

02:03:59.000 It scares me that people are in positions. 1.00

02:04:02.000 Like, I'm looking at my oldest son is 14. And, I mean, I realize that at some point in time, in the very near future, he's going to go off and, you know, he's going to want to pursue a higher education.

02:04:12.000 And I almost would rather send him to a trade school where he learned something with his hands or I would hope that he would.

02:04:18.000 I would never tell him to do that.

02:04:19.000 I would hope that he would want to go down that route instead of going into an environment that is completely artificial, where people portray this world of You know, rounded corners and nerfed everything, and your feelings and words hurt.

02:04:34.000 You talk about it all the time, actually.

02:04:36.000 I don't want my son to go into that environment.

02:04:38.000 He's already experiencing that a little bit in the school system that he's in.

02:04:42.000 He uses the word triggered, and his teachers will use that word triggered.

02:04:47.000 I'm like, listen, it's okay to have somebody say something to you that invokes a reaction or emotion in you That causes conflict.

02:04:55.000 That's okay.

02:04:56.000 Don't run away from that conflict.

02:04:58.000 Why don't you go directly at that conflict and figure out what your problem is with it or figure out why you have an issue with that and then work through that and you'll be a better person on the other side of the house.

02:05:06.000 I feel like we're in a place now where people are creating...

02:05:10.000 It's an artificial environment that as soon as you leave that environment, you're going to get your teeth just kicked in.

02:05:16.000 Yeah. 0.95

02:05:16.000 And I don't I see it trending more and more and more in the US and I almost think we're getting ready to fall flat on our face and I almost think we need to to figure out who the fuck we are and to pick ourself back up and to realize that those artificial environments that people are trying to force onto the world it just doesn't work. 0.95

02:05:36.000 In campus cities and small towns that have campuses.

02:05:40.000 Yeah, it's just really heavy-duty left-wing people that are just committed to this ideology and they don't have I mean, it's good to have both sides.

02:05:51.000 I think it's good to have people that lean left and people that lean right, and you try to figure out which way works.

02:05:57.000 And by the way, it's going to work better for some people to be left, and it's going to work better for some people to be right, but this lack of tolerance for other people's ideas is one of the most shocking things about the left these days, is this need and desire to shut down speech.

02:06:14.000 But aren't they also the people who are on the forefront of saying, you know, freedom of speech, but not that?

02:06:19.000 Not anymore.

02:06:20.000 You know, they used to be.

02:06:21.000 The new left is more stifling of free speech than the right by far.

02:06:26.000 The new left, what you'd call neo-Marxism or post-modernism.

02:06:31.000 I guess I look at it differently.

02:06:33.000 Freedom of speech, to me, in my mind, is not about what I can say to you.

02:06:37.000 It's not about me saying, I'm going to say something messed up and try to offend you.

02:06:41.000 To me, freedom of speech is, how much can I tolerate from somebody else? 0.86

02:06:45.000 How much am I willing to listen to an opinion that I absolutely hate, but I'm going to allow it to exist because I'm grateful that we have an environment that that can exist in, and you're not going to get pulled into a public square and get your head cut off.

02:06:57.000 Well, there's certainly that, but there's also the only way you find out which idea is correct.

02:07:01.000 Is you have to have debate.

02:07:03.000 You have to have open debate.

02:07:04.000 You have to have the ability to communicate your ideas freely.

02:07:08.000 And if you don't have the ability to communicate your ideas freely and the other person just bulldozes you with their ideas because they think they're right.

02:07:14.000 And I'm going to shut down everyone else's opinion because I'm right.

02:07:17.000 That's not how you handle free speech.

02:07:20.000 Or to tell you your opinion isn't allowed.

02:07:22.000 Right.

02:07:23.000 You handle bad speech with more better speech.

02:07:25.000 You become...

02:07:29.000 You have to have your arguments laid out in a way that's convincing to the people that are paying attention.

02:07:34.000 And you can't do that if your speech is stifled.

02:07:36.000 And that's what's really a problem with the left these days.

02:07:39.000 And I think a big part of it is these artificial environments you're talking about.

02:07:44.000 They live in these insulated things like I was saying Jamie Kilstein used to live in.

02:07:48.000 They live in these insulated environments where they think they're right.

02:07:50.000 They think they're doing the right thing by behaving like this.

02:07:53.000 But it's so short-sighted.

02:07:55.000 And again, I don't try to make a character judgment on them, but to me, in my mind, again, with one of my own eyes, I think the biggest threat to this country is political correctness and safe spaces.

02:08:06.000 Yeah.

02:08:06.000 I truly think that teaching people in that manner or getting them – not getting them – allowing them to think that that is how the world outside of that environment operates is setting you up for a very long-term failure because you're going to just get crushed because there are – Plenty of other entities throughout the world that will look at what you're doing and say,

02:08:27.000 oh, that's awesome.

02:08:28.000 You're just teeing it up for me.

02:08:30.000 That's a complete vulnerability.

02:08:31.000 They're going to leverage that against us and manipulate, not manipulate, just attack the fact that those people feel that way.

02:08:38.000 They'll take it as a weakness and they'll leverage that for their success. 0.99

02:08:41.000 And then we're fucked. 0.99

02:08:42.000 Yeah, I don't necessarily think we're fucked because I think there's enough people that are paying attention that think it's terrible. 0.99

02:08:46.000 And there's a lot of us. 0.65

02:08:48.000 But I think that when something like 9-11 happens, one of the things that I thought that was really interesting right after 9-11 was this rallying cry of patriotism.

02:08:57.000 Like, everybody had an American flag on their car.

02:08:59.000 I was like...

02:09:00.000 This is interesting to me.

02:09:02.000 Did they have them hanging over the overpasses up here in L.A.? Oh, yeah.

02:09:05.000 They had them everywhere.

02:09:06.000 In San Diego, that week, I would say it was about a week after 9-11, I have never in my life felt a level of solidarity of just, not only that, but...

02:09:17.000 People were...

02:09:18.000 Nicer.

02:09:19.000 They were nicer.

02:09:20.000 They weren't really worried that you cut them off in traffic.

02:09:23.000 It's, you know what, take the parking spot.

02:09:24.000 Yeah, you know, you can put your cart in front of me in the grocery store.

02:09:27.000 It's not you against me, it's us against them.

02:09:28.000 How fleeting was that, though?

02:09:30.000 Pretty fleeting.

02:09:31.000 But it was amazing during that time period, too.

02:09:33.000 The overpasses in San Diego, American flags hanging on, like, not just an American flag, covered the entire thing.

02:09:40.000 It was unbelievable.

02:09:41.000 It lasted longer in New York.

02:09:43.000 New York, it lasted for a long time.

02:09:45.000 Well, they kind of had a daily reminder.

02:09:46.000 Yeah.

02:09:47.000 The feeling there was different.

02:09:49.000 It just changed the way New York City was.

02:09:52.000 New York City was almost like a village.

02:09:53.000 It's like a friendly village that had been attacked, and everybody was super thankful that they were alive and supportive of each other, and also the solidarity.

02:10:02.000 You know, Sebastian Younger is a war journalist.

02:10:05.000 You ever heard of him?

02:10:06.000 I've listened to every podcast you've done with him.

02:10:08.000 Restrepo is one of my favorite documentaries. 0.98

02:10:10.000 He's fucking amazing. 0.97

02:10:11.000 His book, Tribe, changed the way I understand that. 0.99

02:10:15.000 I'm like, oh, this is a natural part of being a human.

02:10:18.000 And like we were talking about these reward systems that are built into animals that allow, you know, tigers and like they don't get the natural release.

02:10:27.000 These natural reward systems, for good or for bad, human beings are designed to deal with conflict, with real conflict. 0.94

02:10:33.000 And when we don't have real conflict, we make up our own bullshit conflict. 0.68

02:10:38.000 When real conflict shows itself, then everything sort of normalizes. 0.94

02:10:44.000 For good or for bad, we haven't evolved past that.

02:10:47.000 Whatever our DNA is, whatever our programming is, almost at a cellular level, we're designed to have a certain amount of risk.

02:10:56.000 And when we don't have that risk, we don't have that danger, we don't feel good.

02:11:00.000 And you lash out at people with your egg icon. 1.00

02:11:03.000 These motherfuckers! 1.00

02:11:04.000 I'm going to kill you! 1.00

02:11:06.000 Easy for you to say, bro! 1.00

02:11:07.000 Unless you were here in my face, and then I wouldn't say that I'm going to kill you. 0.90

02:11:11.000 I remember watching the second airplane go in live, standing in an apartment in San Diego, thinking, well, this might change some things. 0.94

02:11:20.000 Yeah.

02:11:21.000 Yeah, I remember just waking up.

02:11:24.000 Someone called me.

02:11:25.000 Where were you living at the time?

02:11:27.000 I was here.

02:11:27.000 Yeah.

02:11:28.000 I was getting some phone calls from friends.

02:11:30.000 I was like, what?

02:11:31.000 Turn on the news.

02:11:32.000 He turned on the news and just having it all sink in. 1.00

02:11:35.000 Like, what the fuck? 1.00

02:11:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:11:37.000 And then me and... 1.00

02:11:39.000 Man, I used to have a picture of it.

02:11:40.000 Me and Eddie Bravo and Joey Diaz went to get burritos. 0.98

02:11:43.000 And there wasn't a fucking plane in the sky... 0.93

02:11:46.000 And we're hanging out that day because all air travel had been suspended. 0.99

02:11:49.000 And we were just hanging out thinking how fucking bizarre it is.

02:11:52.000 We're like, dude, are we at war? 0.93

02:11:54.000 Like what?

02:11:54.000 How is this going to change everything?

02:11:57.000 Did Eddie feel better because there weren't any contrails up there?

02:11:59.000 He wasn't the same guy back then.

02:12:01.000 He wasn't that deep into it?

02:12:02.000 No, no.

02:12:03.000 He liked aliens back then. 1.00

02:12:04.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:12:05.000 He was into like Nibiru. 1.00

02:12:07.000 He, as he became older, he became way more conspiratorial.

02:12:13.000 I have a hard...

02:12:14.000 I know I've texted you before like, hey, does he actually think those things or is he messing around?

02:12:20.000 He loves conspiracies.

02:12:22.000 I think he thinks of them almost like some people like paying attention to sports. 0.99

02:12:28.000 But then there's also Illuminati stuff that he legitimately worries that Hillary Clinton is going to off him because he talks too much shit about... 1.00

02:12:38.000 I think it's entirely possible that Clintons are murderers. 1.00

02:12:43.000 I think it's entirely possible.

02:12:45.000 Themselves or outsourced?

02:12:46.000 Outsourced.

02:12:47.000 Yeah, I don't think they have the stones to do it themselves.

02:12:49.000 No, I don't think so.

02:12:50.000 I don't think so, but I think they've definitely made some calls or at least had some meetings.

02:12:56.000 There's too many bodies.

02:12:58.000 There's too many people attached to them that were in critical positions that either, like one recent guy vanished.

02:13:03.000 There's that Seth Rich guy who worked at the DNC that got shot.

02:13:08.000 There's enough of them.

02:13:10.000 They go away.

02:13:11.000 The stories go away.

02:13:13.000 The one that I pulled up the other day, who did we do in the podcast?

02:13:17.000 Was it Callan?

02:13:19.000 The guy who had dirt on the Clinton campaign.

02:13:21.000 He's an academic.

02:13:22.000 And he vanished.

02:13:23.000 The guy vanished.

02:13:24.000 You don't hear about it. 1.00

02:13:25.000 This guy was about to give dirt on the fucking Clinton Foundation. 0.99

02:13:29.000 And they're like, whoops, he's just not around anymore. 0.99

02:13:31.000 Can't find him.

02:13:32.000 I think their ability to hide, not just theirs.

02:13:36.000 This guy.

02:13:37.000 Academic at heart of Clinton dirt campaign vanishes, leaving trail of questions.

02:13:40.000 Is he still missing?

02:13:42.000 Oh, this is a part of the Russia investigation.

02:13:43.000 That's right.

02:13:44.000 It wasn't the Clinton campaign.

02:13:45.000 It wasn't the Clinton Foundation.

02:13:47.000 Yeah, he's gone, man. 0.99

02:13:49.000 He's fucking missing. 1.00

02:13:51.000 Poof. 0.99

02:13:51.000 I just think it's amazing the ability for people to have the public face and then who they are. 0.99

02:13:57.000 I have not personally had any interactions with Hillary Clinton, but I have some first-hand friends that have had direct interactions with her from either a security detail perspective I think?

02:14:29.000 But none of those stories come out.

02:14:31.000 There's the person that she, you know, portrays herself to be during the election cycle.

02:14:35.000 And this is who I am.

02:14:36.000 And then you talk to all these people who live at a day to day level with these people.

02:14:39.000 And the difference between the two is like sitting there trying to broad jump the Grand Canyon.

02:14:43.000 It absolutely blows my mind.

02:14:46.000 The stories about her in particular and her hatred or What they had told me her hatred for basically and essentially people in military or people who were there to support her doing her job, just the anger and vitriol that she would attack those people with on a daily level is unbelievable.

02:15:01.000 Anger at the military and anger at people that...

02:15:04.000 100%.

02:15:04.000 She was literally campaigning to be the commander-in-chief.

02:15:09.000 Yep.

02:15:10.000 Of the military.

02:15:11.000 Yep.

02:15:13.000 Just because it comes out of your mouth.

02:15:14.000 How did she behave to them? 0.60

02:15:17.000 One of the best stories that I have was, I won't say the agency that the person worked for, was basically she was exiting the White House and he said, good morning, Mrs. Clinton. 1.00

02:15:28.000 And he was in a uniform at the time and she stopped and turned around and she said, hey, why don't you go fuck yourself? 1.00

02:15:32.000 Don't talk to me when I'm, you know, going in between place A to place B, wherever she was going, got back in her car. 1.00

02:15:37.000 Go fuck yourself? 1.00

02:15:37.000 Yep. 1.00

02:15:40.000 I have that version of a story.

02:15:42.000 Again, not personally for me.

02:15:44.000 I'm basically saying the things that I've heard other people say to me in confidence directly.

02:15:48.000 But they're uniform, these stories.

02:15:50.000 Correct.

02:15:51.000 Uniformed, whether that be, it could be a military, Secret Service, fill in the blank.

02:15:54.000 But uniform also in the way these stories exhibit the same sort of behavior.

02:15:58.000 100%.

02:15:58.000 It's exactly the same behavior when the cameras are not rolling.

02:16:02.000 And it's fucking terrifying because, yes, she is campaigning or was campaigning to be the commander-in-chief of, from what I can tell, again, having no direct relations with this person, a person that despises almost, I would describe it as that, 0.97

02:16:18.000 is what the organization stands for. 0.99

02:16:20.000 Unbelievable.

02:16:22.000 I'm not surprised.

02:16:23.000 What stunned me is how the left was willing to just absolve her of her...

02:16:30.000 She was against gay marriage until 2013. Her obvious belief system Like, who she actually is versus, like, what she...

02:16:42.000 You don't know.

02:16:43.000 What she's doing is being a slick politician just like her husband. 1.00

02:16:46.000 Publicly, she's the tide.

02:16:48.000 She will rise and fall with whatever the trend is.

02:16:50.000 But the 2013 thing, like, the fact that...

02:16:53.000 Like, how could... 0.99

02:16:54.000 Who the fuck who's educated? 1.00

02:16:56.000 Who the fuck who's a Democrat at 2013 still thought that a marriage... 1.00

02:17:00.000 She'd be between a man and a woman. 1.00

02:17:01.000 Who gives a shit? 0.99

02:17:03.000 She did because that's what she does. 1.00

02:17:05.000 She licks her fingers, she finds out where the wind is blowing, and she goes that way.

02:17:09.000 And when you see the difference between what Comey said about the investigation and what the investigation had found on her emails and what the illegal activity that she had participated in versus what she said, you know, with the deleted emails, the 30,000 deleted emails and all that stuff, and...

02:17:24.000 There's a video that shows what he said versus what she said, and you play them back-to-back with each other.

02:17:29.000 It's like how anybody could support her.

02:17:31.000 The idea that you wanted someone other than Donald Trump, I get it.

02:17:34.000 The idea that you wanted a woman, a historical first for equality, I get that too.

02:17:39.000 But this is not your one.

02:17:40.000 There's got to be a lot of women out there. 1.00

02:17:42.000 The two choices we had out of, what, 360-plus million people now?

02:17:46.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:17:47.000 Goddamn. 1.00

02:17:48.000 They're insane. 1.00

02:17:48.000 It's proof that the system is broken. 1.00

02:17:50.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:17:51.000 It's compromised, for sure.

02:17:53.000 You know, the only thing good about having a guy like Trump in is he's not from the system, is that he used all of his money and kind of jumped in, and the financial system is still being supported, obviously, because he's a big part of it, but the political system is in chaos. 0.95

02:18:05.000 I mean, he's not a part of that at all and never was so besides donating money to them Yeah, that was the only thing that people thought was a saving grace about him being in office like let's see But I think he's crazy.

02:18:16.000 I think he might literally have dementia I just wish That somebody would grab his phone.

02:18:23.000 They do.

02:18:24.000 They try.

02:18:25.000 No, just like real quick and just modify the app so before he hits tweet, it goes to like one or two people who give it just a quick sanity check.

02:18:32.000 And then they're like, yes.

02:18:34.000 He would check.

02:18:34.000 He would check Twitter to make sure it's up.

02:18:36.000 God damn it. 0.99

02:18:37.000 He checks his comments. 1.00

02:18:39.000 He fucking blocks people. 0.99

02:18:40.000 I know. 1.00

02:18:41.000 People are proud about that.

02:18:42.000 I've heard you talk about it, and then I've looked at him like, I'm blocked by the president.

02:18:44.000 It's like, man, ah.

02:18:46.000 That's hilarious.

02:18:47.000 But again, I look at that as people have their head down not paying attention to what they should be paying attention to because in those seams of people losing their mind over a tweet...

02:18:57.000 What the hell is getting passed through in regulations and bills? 1.00

02:19:00.000 And I'm like, that's the shit that scares me. 1.00

02:19:02.000 The EPA shit scares me the most. 1.00

02:19:04.000 Because, you know, and what they're doing with the national monuments. 1.00

02:19:07.000 There's people that are, they had a meeting this morning.

02:19:09.000 Let me show you what he did.

02:19:10.000 Yeah, what did he do?

02:19:11.000 Two different parks that, I can't remember them, but he shrunk them by a whole lot.

02:19:17.000 One was like 1.8 million.

02:19:19.000 Yeah, it's very scary.

02:19:20.000 He's carving out land and national monuments for privatization?

02:19:24.000 Yeah.

02:19:24.000 And there was one that they were talking about in Alaska.

02:19:30.000 That's very close to a gigantic salmon fishery.

02:19:33.000 Trump shrinks Utah monuments in historic move.

02:19:37.000 I wonder which one.

02:19:39.000 Make that bigger, please, so I can read it.

02:19:43.000 If only the sandstones could sing, imagine the stories they tell of dinosaurs, mammoth hunters, and ancient ones known as the Anasazi.

02:19:51.000 All roam southern Utah over the eons, long before the Native Americans struggled to hold their land against the Mormon settlers. 0.93

02:19:57.000 Modern life and now Donald Trump.

02:19:59.000 Scroll.

02:20:01.000 As President Trump arrives in Utah Monday afternoon, this rocky corner of the Wild West is a battlefield once again, but this time the warriors will carry briefcases and lawsuits.

02:20:12.000 Trump, by signing two presidential proclamations on Monday, shrunk the size of Bears Ears National Monument by more than 80%, and the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument by roughly 45%, fundamentally reshaping the two large national monuments. 0.99

02:20:31.000 Man, fuck that guy. 0.99

02:20:33.000 I mean, can you give me a why other than- For business. 1.00

02:20:36.000 I was going to say there's got to be an economical motivation behind that.

02:20:39.000 It's got to be resources.

02:20:40.000 It's got to be national resources.

02:20:41.000 It's got to be minerals or oil or something like that.

02:20:45.000 And that's my thing.

02:20:46.000 Like, why- So if you go to Fox News, right, every leading above the break article is Hillary.

02:20:53.000 This is Hillary. 0.96

02:20:54.000 Why is that not leading the news?

02:20:57.000 Because they're not really Americans. 0.99

02:20:59.000 They're little puppets.

02:21:01.000 I mean, this idea that they're there just for America.

02:21:03.000 No, you're a puppet of the GOP. That's what they are.

02:21:06.000 They're not really American. 1.00

02:21:08.000 They're fucking corrupt. 1.00

02:21:09.000 They're corrupt as everybody else is. 1.00

02:21:11.000 They're the worst. 0.99

02:21:13.000 You have blind allegiance towards the president when he does stuff like this.

02:21:17.000 That's crazy.

02:21:18.000 You have to call.

02:21:19.000 And some people do, like that Shepard, what's his name?

02:21:21.000 Shepard Smith?

02:21:23.000 Yeah, that guy.

02:21:24.000 The perfect eyebrows.

02:21:26.000 He calls the president out.

02:21:29.000 I don't know if I've ever seen his eyebrows, but I'm going to take it.

02:21:32.000 He seems like he could have been one of those guys that was upset at Hillary Clinton up until about 2013. Yeah, I think I hear what you're putting down there.

02:21:41.000 But again, you know, so people are losing their mind about tweets, and then a monument got cut by 80% and another one by 45%.

02:21:50.000 I mean, and that's one example.

02:21:52.000 I don't know.

02:21:52.000 And I agree with you.

02:21:53.000 They are corrupt.

02:21:54.000 And what I have found in myself, and again, what I think is dangerous, is that I've stopped paying attention. 0.94

02:22:00.000 And as soon as that happens, I don't know what the hell is going on.

02:22:03.000 Yeah, that's what happens with a lot of people.

02:22:05.000 And a lot of people just want to – I mean, you feel like you can't do anything other than vote, right?

02:22:09.000 Vote and protest. 0.97

02:22:10.000 And you have a job and a family.

02:22:12.000 How do you have time to protest?

02:22:13.000 And so a lot of people shut out because they just don't feel like – they don't feel like they can represent their opinions in a way that's going to be meaningful and impactful.

02:22:21.000 Yeah.

02:22:23.000 It's just...

02:22:23.000 It's a terrible job.

02:22:25.000 The job of having one chief monkey that controls 300-plus million people.

02:22:31.000 That's a good definition.

02:22:32.000 Yeah.

02:22:32.000 And then, here's the thing.

02:22:34.000 If you are the chief monkey, if they show that you're a liar, if they can show, if there's, like, proof that you're a liar, you should be removed from office. 0.98

02:22:42.000 If you get... 0.99

02:22:43.000 If you are in court...

02:22:47.000 And you swear on a Bible and you commit perjury.

02:22:53.000 You'd go to jail.

02:22:54.000 Like, why is swearing into office for the United States, why is that less of a Like, a situation where you could be charged with perjury.

02:23:07.000 Like, that seems to me to be far more significant.

02:23:09.000 You're literally in control of the country. 0.98

02:23:13.000 You can do things like this fucking thing that he signed that shrinks these monuments, these horrible reductions in the power that the EPA has. 0.99

02:23:21.000 The fucking Environmental Protection Agency is to protect our very environment. 0.99

02:23:26.000 He's like, no, no, no, we don't need that. 0.99

02:23:27.000 We don't need any protection.

02:23:28.000 Trust me.

02:23:29.000 We got me.

02:23:30.000 Yeah, you would think that he would be held more accountable because the stakes are so much higher, and it affects so many people.

02:23:36.000 Yeah, I mean, the amount of lies that he's told since office, they're stunning.

02:23:40.000 And you could just get away with them.

02:23:42.000 Yeah.

02:23:42.000 You shouldn't be able to get away with lies as a president.

02:23:44.000 I think lies as a president, willingly lied is one thing to being misinformed, but willingly lying as a president, if they can show that you had information To the contrary of what you're saying, you should be removed from office.

02:23:56.000 Should be a disqualifying factor for sure.

02:23:59.000 100%.

02:23:59.000 Yeah.

02:24:00.000 100%.

02:24:00.000 But we've never had someone that lies this much.

02:24:04.000 We just don't know about it.

02:24:05.000 Well, no one has been able to be proven to be this much of a liar.

02:24:08.000 We've never had that.

02:24:09.000 Where someone lies so much, you're like, why?

02:24:12.000 Like, there's a website that was documenting the number of times Trump lied.

02:24:18.000 It was like they documented all the Trump lies over the past year.

02:24:22.000 And it's crazy.

02:24:25.000 It's just...

02:24:28.000 It's just so frustrating.

02:24:30.000 As of June 23rd.

02:24:32.000 Oh my.

02:24:32.000 It's just like every day here's a different one.

02:24:34.000 Yeah.

02:24:35.000 I mean, what's that?

02:24:36.000 What's the website called?

02:24:37.000 It's from the New York Times.

02:24:38.000 Oh, okay.

02:24:38.000 It just says Trump's Lies on top.

02:24:39.000 It's an opinion.

02:24:40.000 Yeah, I mean, scroll up and we could make it larger so I could read it here.

02:24:44.000 Yeah.

02:24:45.000 I don't know, man.

02:24:48.000 I don't want to.

02:24:49.000 I don't even want to read them.

02:24:51.000 I'll just get super depressed.

02:24:52.000 Well, the only issue I have with that is that people are really quick to jump on that bandwagon.

02:24:56.000 And all I would say is you should be prepared to have that level of scrutiny thrown back on yourself.

02:25:01.000 True. 0.92

02:25:01.000 Because, I mean, how fucking long would everybody else's list be? 0.92

02:25:05.000 You know what I mean? 0.80

02:25:06.000 That's the one thing that I haven't...

02:25:07.000 But, once you get into office...

02:25:08.000 For sure.

02:25:09.000 Would that list be the same?

02:25:10.000 Like, if you knew, like if I say Andy Stump...

02:25:13.000 Do you swear to take the office of the United States president to do the whole thing, handle the Bible? 1.00

02:25:18.000 From there on, you gotta know that you have to keep your fucking shit together. 1.00

02:25:22.000 100%. 1.00

02:25:23.000 You can't lie.

02:25:24.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:25:25.000 And like I said, I'm not...

02:25:26.000 I'm just...

02:25:27.000 I wish people would take that level of accountability on themselves as well, too.

02:25:31.000 I think the country would be a better place if people acted as if there was an organization ready to write down a list of their deficiencies at any given time.

02:25:38.000 I think you're totally right.

02:25:39.000 I think you're totally right, but I think that What we're seeing is, for the first time, a president that is showing why we have a real flaw with this idea of one person being the chief dog.

02:25:53.000 I think he's scaring the piss out of people.

02:25:56.000 Usually the topic swings back around to nuclear weapons or nuclear war and like, can this one guy really go and just hit the button?

02:26:03.000 Also, the real problem is, this guy's very strategic.

02:26:06.000 I mean, he's thinking, he thought about re-election, he filed for re-election almost immediately.

02:26:11.000 Oh, did he really?

02:26:12.000 Yeah.

02:26:12.000 There's a strategy for that, too, meaning that, like, I forget exactly what the strategy is, but it's in terms of how people are addressing him and how people are talking against him because they would be running for president.

02:26:27.000 They would also be if they're running for president because he is a presidential candidate.

02:26:31.000 There's like certain rules to behavior and this is very calculated.

02:26:35.000 What a chess move, man.

02:26:37.000 It's a big chess move.

02:26:38.000 So this is what disturbs me the most about North Korea.

02:26:42.000 Because there's one way to ensure that people want to keep the same president, and that way is war.

02:26:50.000 Like, once you are in a war, say if we are three-plus years in, he's campaigning for president again, and it escalates with North Korea. 0.97

02:26:59.000 The propaganda escalates, the lies, the bullshit, and who knows? 0.99

02:27:03.000 Who knows what the fuck happens? 1.00

02:27:05.000 And then all of a sudden there's actual military action. 0.97

02:27:08.000 That is going to ensure re-election.

02:27:12.000 I think.

02:27:13.000 I could see that, or it would flip everybody against him.

02:27:18.000 I could see it swinging both ways.

02:27:20.000 It could.

02:27:20.000 It depends on how scared people are.

02:27:23.000 It depends on if we get attacked.

02:27:24.000 If we get attacked, I guarantee you he wins again.

02:27:27.000 Because nobody's going to want, Bernie Sanders, I'm going to go there, and I'm going to promise them equality.

02:27:33.000 I think if we got attacked by North Korea, yeah, his escalation might be nuclear in level, and then we're all glowing in the dark. 0.99

02:27:42.000 Yeah, if that shit works, if his stuff works. 0.99

02:27:45.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:27:46.000 I tell you what, though, you want to talk about a war that I would want no part of, North Korea? 0.96

02:27:49.000 Oh, daddy.

02:27:51.000 Yeah?

02:27:51.000 No, thank you.

02:27:52.000 Rugged terrain, controlled environments.

02:27:55.000 No, thank you very much.

02:27:57.000 And they got some big old armies.

02:27:59.000 Just call on Elon Musk and send in the drones.

02:28:02.000 Get those Boston Dynamic drones that can do backflips. 0.99

02:28:06.000 Get those fucking new robots that they have. 0.98

02:28:08.000 I tell you what, right now the drones are carrying the lion's share. 1.00

02:28:11.000 Are they?

02:28:12.000 Yeah.

02:28:13.000 I don't know if people realize how much.

02:28:15.000 I mean, they are carrying probably the lion's share of the kinetic activity throughout the globe.

02:28:19.000 I mean, they're doing as much as they can with that.

02:28:22.000 Really?

02:28:23.000 Yep.

02:28:23.000 Like, how much drone activity do you think is going on that we don't know about?

02:28:27.000 That we don't know about?

02:28:28.000 I have absolutely no idea.

02:28:30.000 Because we don't know about it.

02:28:30.000 I would have to imagine that it's substantial.

02:28:36.000 It's less risk from a risk-to-force perspective because if you're looking at it as you're the person who has the drone, it's less risk because you're not putting a physical human being at risk or launching a force or an asset or a helicopter that could, fill in the blank,

02:28:51.000 go wrong.

02:28:53.000 And then on the other side of that risk, though, is that how are you really sure the person that you're going after is there?

02:28:59.000 Are you really sure that they're alone?

02:29:00.000 Are you really sure that you can action this target in a way that's not going to have collateral damage?

02:29:04.000 So there's two different sides of the risk.

02:29:07.000 And I think that right now, the American populace would probably rather not see flag draped coffins and just assume that business is being taken care of.

02:29:22.000 It's so disturbing.

02:29:23.000 The idea of that getting turned around on us is even more disturbing.

02:29:27.000 Think about it from that perspective.

02:29:29.000 If somebody launched a Tomahawk missile into downtown, or not a Tomahawk, because they're not on...

02:29:33.000 Hellfire.

02:29:33.000 Hellfire, there you go.

02:29:34.000 Or JDAM, or fill in the blank.

02:29:36.000 Yeah.

02:29:37.000 In LA, China flies a drone over, or whatever, North Korea flies a drone over, and they just juice the U.S. Bank building in downtown LA. How would we respond to that?

02:29:48.000 I mean, I sit back and I kick my...

02:29:54.000 I just do mental judo in my head trying to figure out what the hell I did with almost 20 years of my life.

02:30:00.000 And did it actually do anything important?

02:30:02.000 And where is everything going? 0.93

02:30:03.000 And like, what in the fuck was I doing for so long? 0.96

02:30:08.000 I struggle with it quite often. 0.98

02:30:10.000 How so?

02:30:11.000 I worry that...

02:30:13.000 So my biggest fear...

02:30:15.000 Is that my children would have to finish something that I started.

02:30:19.000 But I also think that the success that we had as a military drove the creation of the enemy that we're fighting.

02:30:28.000 We took an organization that was largely geographically co-located and we were so effective at finding them when they met in groups of people that they splintered and they spread apart.

02:30:38.000 Which is why now it's more effective to fly a drone over, as an example, Yemen.

02:30:42.000 I have no idea if that's happening, but it's easier to have a drone over Yemen than an aircraft carrier sitting off the coast to do something about it.

02:30:49.000 So now we have an enemy that was in a couple of countries that's now in 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 countries, and you can't really cut the head off of that snake anymore.

02:30:59.000 And I look at...

02:31:01.000 Did I do anything...

02:31:04.000 That made my kids' lives safer.

02:31:07.000 Did I do anything that made your daughter's life safer?

02:31:09.000 And I would say in the moment, I feel like I had a difference in the moment.

02:31:14.000 But I think in the grand scale of things, looking back, that everything that I was involved with, I almost think that the tide has washed it away.

02:31:23.000 And it's very frustrating.

02:31:25.000 How so?

02:31:26.000 Because I was only able to impact the battle space that I was physically in.

02:31:31.000 Right, but imagine if you weren't there.

02:31:33.000 And imagine if others like you weren't there.

02:31:36.000 The role that we played, I think, is absolutely essential.

02:31:39.000 Looking back on my career, I think the role of what I did was to create space And a barrier and a boundary so people in this country could be complete cunts and complain about their rights and freedoms and oppression and inequality.

02:31:52.000 We have to create an environment where those things can thrive and flourish and be in a melting pot and figure out who we are.

02:31:58.000 So we have to have that role.

02:32:01.000 But what frustrates me is seeing what's going on in the country or seeing what's going on in the world and thinking that I was involved in something that was important, but just realizing all I was was a point in time of sticking my finger in a dam that had 15 different water spouts coming out of it.

02:32:15.000 Right.

02:32:15.000 So you didn't have a total solution, but you certainly mitigated a problem.

02:32:19.000 We mitigated a problem only in that moment in time.

02:32:22.000 But if you weren't there to mitigate it in that moment in time, who knows how much it could have escalated.

02:32:27.000 Who knows?

02:32:28.000 But who knows if the time that I was there mitigated the problem or kicked the football down the road and made it worse, and it's a problem that your kids or mine are going to have to solve in the future.

02:32:38.000 And I don't know those answers.

02:32:39.000 I don't...

02:32:39.000 I really...

02:32:41.000 I was 100% and still am 100% committed and very proud of the actions that I took because at the end of the day, I made the decisions of my actions.

02:32:48.000 I got to wear...

02:32:49.000 I was super lucky and privileged to wear the American flag on my uniform.

02:32:52.000 And I got to be...

02:32:54.000 The example and the beacon of what I wanted the U.S. to be every time that I got, I mean, I would encounter people who didn't know what the U.S. was.

02:33:01.000 They'd never seen an American before, and how I acted was the U.S. to them.

02:33:04.000 So I think it was important, and I'm proud of those things, but I just hope at the end of the day I made a difference, you know, instead of trying to run uphill on a soft sand berm and go nowhere.

02:33:13.000 Isn't that part of the problem with military action, too, is you don't really know what the result is ultimately going to be?

02:33:19.000 I mean, everybody hopes.

02:33:21.000 There's two sides, right?

02:33:22.000 Correct.

02:33:23.000 They both hope that they win. 0.99

02:33:24.000 You don't really know what the fuck the result's going to be. 0.97

02:33:27.000 And it's not a difference in commitment on either one of those sides. 0.97

02:33:29.000 People need to understand that as well, too.

02:33:31.000 It's not that I was more committed than the people that we were engaging with on a battlefield or anywhere in the world.

02:33:37.000 It's a difference of opinion.

02:33:39.000 They believe what they believe just as much as you and I believe what we believe, whatever the issue may be.

02:33:46.000 I don't know.

02:33:47.000 I can't say who's right.

02:33:49.000 I just did the best that I could do to try to fight for what it is that I believed in. 0.98

02:33:53.000 It's tough at the end of the day to sit back and think and be like, God damn it. 0.94

02:33:57.000 What did I do with my time? 0.76

02:34:01.000 It's a daunting feeling to think that there's never going to be a time when we really are at peace worldwide.

02:34:09.000 I don't think we ever will be, but I also don't think we ever have been.

02:34:13.000 No, I don't think we ever have been either, but do you think we ever would be if we were attacked?

02:34:18.000 Remember that last one of the Reagan speeches where we talked about how quickly we would put our differences aside if we were attacked by an alien force from another world?

02:34:26.000 I think it would change some things.

02:34:28.000 Instead of being local in San Diego and having, or in LA, the flags up, if the entire world was challenged with something that we had to come together with, I bet you there would be that feeling and it would cross.

02:34:38.000 Probably any and all borders.

02:34:39.000 The UFO dorks, though, they grabbed that. 0.51

02:34:41.000 They thought, oh my god, this is proof.

02:34:44.000 This is proof.

02:34:45.000 Reagan knows.

02:34:46.000 Reagan knows.

02:34:47.000 But I do feel like, almost like what we were talking about with 9-11, right?

02:34:51.000 Like that being attacked made people more...

02:34:55.000 More acceptable to each other more they felt more connected to each other You know let people in front of you on the highway that kind of shit Hey when you have your mortality in your life thrown in front of you I think it creates a palette that is much easier to appreciate the little things and I don't think most people experience that is it weird for you when you you know you've spent so much time in combat and spend so much time overseas to come back and see all these people that Really don't know the darkest side of the world currently.

02:35:23.000 I mean people have a view of Thank you.

02:35:26.000 Of what the earth is in 2017. And if you live in San Francisco and all you do is, you know, you work at Silicon Valley and hang out in the tech industry, you think this is the world in 2017 because this is your world.

02:35:37.000 Yeah.

02:35:37.000 This is your insulated look.

02:35:39.000 Like we were talking about, you don't really know the world until you go into the forest.

02:35:42.000 You go into the forest, you go, oh, this is the world too.

02:35:45.000 The backcountry is still the world.

02:35:46.000 It's just, oh, this is what it's really like when we don't have these artificial structures.

02:35:51.000 And when you spent so much time in combat and you come over and you see all these people that are Fighting over these insignificant things and squabbling about the use of the preferred gender pronouns and all this crazy shit that people find significant today.

02:36:07.000 It is very challenging for me to listen to the things that people feel are important.

02:36:17.000 And the lack of...

02:36:18.000 I would say it's the lack of what I would consider to be perspective.

02:36:22.000 And it's funny.

02:36:23.000 If you do...

02:36:24.000 Say I did 17 years in the military.

02:36:26.000 Let's say a guy does 20 years.

02:36:28.000 You actually don't spend that much time in combat.

02:36:31.000 Let's say you do a six-month deployment.

02:36:33.000 You're working even at every night of that six-month deployment, which isn't going to be the case, so every other night.

02:36:39.000 So now you're working 90 days.

02:36:40.000 Of that time, you might spend 30 minutes in combat in those 90 days.

02:36:44.000 Multiply that by five, six, seven, eight, nine deployments.

02:36:47.000 In 20 years, that's your total time combined in an actual combat environment, not a theater of war, but a combat environment where you're directly involved in it.

02:36:57.000 But that time period, for me, changes the way that I view the world.

02:37:02.000 Not only that time period, but just the time spent in those countries and seeing what's the standard in other countries and what's the standard here.

02:37:09.000 And when I hear, and again, I think we talked about it before, you know, people talk about inequality or oppression here in this country.

02:37:17.000 And I'll be the first to admit that there's inequality, which is fine because there's inequality everywhere.

02:37:23.000 Let's take a little bit of perspective here. 0.66

02:37:25.000 If you are fortunate enough to wake up in the United States of America, the water that you sit down on the toilet over to take a shit is cleaner than most of the water people on Earth are gonna have access to.

02:37:37.000 You go to Starbucks and you may pay more per ounce For a cup of coffee, for the fluid, then you do the gas coming out of your pump, going into your car that exceeds the annual income of most people on the face of the planet.

02:37:53.000 You living in a first world country where instead of spending your time trying to find that water, you get to spend your time sleeping in line in front of the Apple store waiting for the new iPhone to come out. 0.99

02:38:04.000 And then you have the balls to bitch about how bad you have it. 1.00

02:38:08.000 That to me is a super tough pill to swallow. 0.99

02:38:12.000 Because you want to talk about oppression and suppression of freedom of speech?

02:38:17.000 I've seen street corners that are still red from lopping dudes' heads off because they voiced opinion that was counter to the opinion of the day.

02:38:25.000 That will change your perspective on whether or not words hurt you and, you know, what rights actually mean.

02:38:31.000 And you'll be like, you know what?

02:38:32.000 What you say is actually really offensive.

02:38:34.000 You know, it's offensive to me, but I'm glad we live in a place where you can say those things.

02:38:38.000 Moving on with my day.

02:38:39.000 How much does that change your perspective on human beings when you're in those environments?

02:38:44.000 What you think a human being actually is?

02:38:47.000 I have an inherent distrust of most human beings.

02:38:50.000 If I'm being totally honest, I don't want to say that I'm antisocial.

02:38:55.000 My wife would say that she probably wishes that I was more social, but I just kind of just take a step back and just try to avoid interactions With just about everybody that I encounter.

02:39:04.000 Well, I would imagine that your spectrum is so much wider than the average person's spectrum in terms of the atrocities that people are capable of committing.

02:39:11.000 You've seen...

02:39:11.000 I mean, most of the time, right, you're operating in this one small little sort of village in the spectrum that most people are that are in civilization.

02:39:19.000 You're in this one little tiny area.

02:39:21.000 But you've seen the full thing. 1.00

02:39:22.000 I mean, you've seen horrible, horrible shit. 1.00

02:39:25.000 Yep. 1.00

02:39:26.000 That's gotta...

02:39:27.000 I mean, there's no way that wouldn't have some sort of an effect on how you would approach people.

02:39:32.000 Like I said, it puts me in a position where I almost have to sit back and I have to bite my tongue because I don't share the opinions that most people share.

02:39:40.000 Because if the military service that I have gave me anything, I think it gave me a different perspective on the world.

02:39:47.000 It's only because I traveled to more of it than I think most people get the chance to do.

02:39:51.000 And I got to see more of it not through my phone and my Instagram screen, but through my own eyes.

02:39:57.000 And all it really did is just changed my value perspective of life, of the little things.

02:40:04.000 It makes it hard sometimes.

02:40:07.000 Was there like a single or any significant moments that you can recall that really shifted the way you think about things?

02:40:18.000 In what perspective? 1.00

02:40:19.000 Just knowing the people capable of horrible shit. 1.00

02:40:24.000 I think the times that got me the most on that is where you would see adults Talking kids into becoming suicide bombers. 1.00

02:40:33.000 Just the evil, evil motherfucker who, instead of having the stones to come and face you, will go and try to talk some innocent kid into strapping on a suicide vest or a suicide belt and walk into a crowd and clack it off. 0.99

02:40:47.000 I mean, that is to me the most insidious type of evil because... 1.00

02:40:54.000 They're not willing to actually engage in themselves.

02:40:57.000 They want to prey on victims.

02:40:58.000 If there's anything I hate in the world, it's that.

02:41:00.000 It's the victimization of innocent people.

02:41:03.000 Watching that and seeing that, that forever throws a different shade on your glasses for sure.

02:41:08.000 Just knowing that people are capable of doing it.

02:41:10.000 I am not surprised by any human behavior that I see, which doesn't necessarily make me any more prepared.

02:41:17.000 But I also probably in the back of my head have a different thought process when I enter into situations.

02:41:22.000 It's not like, oh, hey, everything's going to be great.

02:41:24.000 Like, I get my plan to kill everybody first, and then I relax a little bit.

02:41:28.000 Yeah, who said that? 0.93

02:41:31.000 Probably Tim Kennedy. 0.99

02:41:34.000 Yeah, have a plan to kill everybody in the room. 0.99

02:41:37.000 And that's the thing. 0.96

02:41:39.000 Was it McMaster's?

02:41:40.000 It might have been. 0.99

02:41:41.000 Yeah, be friendly, be courteous, but have a plan to kill everybody in the room. 0.99

02:41:46.000 And...

02:41:47.000 If you're around human behavior that would put people on their heels and turn them white in the face long enough, that is going to become your default position whether or not you want it to be or not. 0.87

02:41:57.000 I'm not a violent person.

02:41:58.000 I'm probably the last person you could draw into violence, but I'm not also surprised by violence.

02:42:03.000 And I'll react to it accordingly if I encounter it because it doesn't surprise me.

02:42:08.000 Right.

02:42:09.000 Yeah.

02:42:10.000 I would just think that I mean, I've just got to believe that a person like you that has experienced that insane level of cruelty and evil, that your view of the world, that you would be really intolerant to people that do have this sort of narrow-minded view of what the United States is and our role in the world and how the rest of the world views us and who the rest of the world is.

02:42:36.000 I'm incredibly appreciative that they live in a place that provides an environment for them, that they can have that narrow-minded view.

02:42:44.000 I'd rather them be that than have that place not exist. 1.00

02:42:48.000 You can be the biggest asshole you want to, and I'm going to sit back and be grateful that that place on earth exists for you to be like that. 0.99

02:42:54.000 You know, and I understand the idea of the non-interventionalist foreign policy, that if, you know, we never were in these places, we would never have issues. 1.00

02:43:03.000 Which is 100% false.

02:43:05.000 It's just another way to look at yourself as a victim.

02:43:07.000 Is it?

02:43:08.000 I think so.

02:43:08.000 In my opinion, yes.

02:43:10.000 It's easier to blame.

02:43:11.000 Oh, well, if we didn't do this, then they wouldn't do that.

02:43:13.000 No.

02:43:14.000 How about real evil does exist, and there are always going to be people who want to do something about that, regardless if you're a pacifist, you're a Catholic. 0.59

02:43:22.000 Fill in the blank.

02:43:23.000 You will have your axis somewhere on Earth, and they're coming for you. 0.94

02:43:26.000 Well, it's also those parts of the world in particular are so ancient and people have been living there for so long.

02:43:32.000 I believe that they have the echoes of the past in them so deeply embedded in their culture and in their actions.

02:43:38.000 I mean, you're talking about parts of the world that really they've had people living there for five, six thousand years.

02:43:44.000 And the ancient barbaric instincts of those people just have got to be, those echoes have got to be sort of reverberating through those cultures.

02:43:57.000 Some of them are very interesting.

02:43:58.000 I think one of the biggest differences that I saw between Iraq and Afghanistan and the United States and, you know, a couple...

02:44:07.000 I actually know definitely those two countries in the Middle East is that there's just a different appreciation for life.

02:44:15.000 There's less of a value of life because I think they almost find or expect that it's going to just end sooner.

02:44:22.000 It's very, very different culturally.

02:44:25.000 And Yeah, I don't know.

02:44:27.000 I don't know if that oil and water will mix, or if it ever can mix, or we need to have a third party that acts as something in between that allows us to gel.

02:44:36.000 I don't know.

02:44:37.000 I don't have a solution for it, that's for sure.

02:44:39.000 And when you look at how long there's been conflict in the Middle East, it almost seems like an insurmountable issue.

02:44:46.000 There's been conflict with man since the history of man.

02:44:48.000 Right.

02:44:50.000 I mean, and so I say I think we're in a forever war right now.

02:44:52.000 We probably were in a forever war before.

02:44:55.000 It's just I think the face of warfare has changed along the way.

02:44:57.000 And the access to information about that has drastically increased, which changes people's perception about it.

02:45:03.000 Right.

02:45:03.000 Like, we're always involved in some sort of a conflict, but what we think of as a war is when we have our troops over there, our citizens over there enlisted, then we say, oh, okay, well, now we're actually at war.

02:45:16.000 Yeah.

02:45:17.000 Yeah.

02:45:17.000 And with this war, especially what's going on in Afghanistan, it's been going on for so long.

02:45:22.000 Yeah.

02:45:22.000 Coming up on 17 years.

02:45:24.000 That's so crazy.

02:45:25.000 Yep.

02:45:26.000 And what's happening over there?

02:45:28.000 I mean, what are we accomplishing?

02:45:30.000 I don't have a complete answer for that.

02:45:32.000 In my opinion, I would say that they are trying to do their best to stabilize that region of the world by supporting the government would be my best.

02:45:42.000 Just murderous, murderous in the sense of not being able to describe a properly explanation of what's going on.

02:45:50.000 And Iraq is the same way. 0.75

02:45:52.000 Don't think for a second that we ever had boots off of the ground in Iraq.

02:45:55.000 It's just talked about a lot less.

02:45:57.000 We still have a presence there, but people don't understand.

02:45:59.000 We still have a presence in Korea.

02:46:01.000 We still have a presence in Europe.

02:46:03.000 That's how long you have to stay if you're willing to invest the time for stabilization, which the US military, I would argue, is not very good at those type of operations.

02:46:13.000 You can do it, but you could also probably do open heart surgery with a shovel, too.

02:46:18.000 It doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be the cleanest.

02:46:20.000 So you should probably have a military, and then you should probably have some sort of fix-up crew.

02:46:26.000 I mean, I think they try to do that with all the non-government organizations or other government organizations.

02:46:32.000 I just think it's really difficult.

02:46:33.000 And, you know, in the Middle East, like you said, you're talking about people who have been there for 5,000 and 6,000 years.

02:46:40.000 The 17 years that we've had a presence there, they're like, talk to me later, son, when it's at 1,700.

02:46:46.000 Yeah.

02:46:47.000 I don't have a solution for it at all.

02:46:48.000 I mean, it's...

02:46:50.000 These are the things I think about.

02:46:51.000 The solution might be move to a town of 22,000 people. 0.57

02:46:55.000 You're goddamn right it is.

02:46:56.000 It might be. 0.91

02:46:57.000 Just disengage.

02:46:59.000 Try to enjoy your time.

02:47:01.000 I'd do better with it there, but I'd spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about that stuff, trying to make sense of that amount of time in my life.

02:47:11.000 How could you not?

02:47:12.000 It's 20 years of your existence on planet Earth.

02:47:14.000 Almost, yeah.

02:47:15.000 That's a lot of time.

02:47:16.000 Yep.

02:47:17.000 And it probably would have been more if you didn't get shot.

02:47:20.000 Well, I actually nursed it out for eight more years after I got shot.

02:47:24.000 I did another deployment after I got shot, which was probably not the best call because I had some residual effects from it and almost got to the point where I was like, okay, I need to call a helicopter in and come pick me up because I'm inhibiting the other people that I was with.

02:47:38.000 Wow.

02:47:39.000 I didn't want to be done.

02:47:40.000 I mean, I got shot in 2005, so I was 27. Wow.

02:47:47.000 Super, super young in comparison to where I am now at a place I wanted to be operating at a level that I wanted to be operating at and then you know I'm in an Indy car doing 800 around the track and it's like oops just put it in reverse by accident there goes the tranny down on the track and just to try to rebuild that and it took a while but yeah I ended up strapped it on one more time and then at the end of that it was like okay I can't do it why did you want to go back like what was what I mean this is something that Sebastian younger talked about a lot in tribe I

02:48:17.000 think for me it was more, I needed to do it for myself.

02:48:24.000 When I got shot, it scared the shit out of me.

02:48:26.000 You know, there's a lot of, a lot of times in the movies there's this just blind heroism and it doesn't matter what's going on and you're like, I'm just going to run through the hail of bullets.

02:48:35.000 Well, I was flat on my back.

02:48:38.000 And when the round hit me in my hip, by the time I hit the ground, my first thought in my head was that my femur had just been shattered and I was going to bleed to death in the space of your hamstring and your quad.

02:48:48.000 You can fit your entire blood volume in there.

02:48:49.000 Like, I'll be dead in about a minute.

02:48:51.000 That's what I was thinking in my head before I hit the ground and then what ended up happening that night happened eight people ended up getting wounded I was one of the least wounded people so they were flying people out on helicopters I got put into a Bradley fighting vehicle and taken to the green zone in Iraq But it scared the crap out of me and not only did it scare the crap out of me It absolutely crushed my confidence and my ability to do my job which up until that point I thought that I was at the very least competent and capable of doing my job and

02:49:22.000 I had Everything was going great up until that moment, and then it didn't.

02:49:26.000 And I had nothing but questions in a void that I had to pull myself out of.

02:49:31.000 And it was probably very selfish in my desire to go back and my desire to continue doing what I was doing, but I had to build myself Back up to a point where I thought I could operate again and I remember very distinctly going back to Afghanistan in 2010 and Standing outside of door getting ready to go into a door on a house thinking in my head Do you still have it?

02:49:56.000 and then going into the door and I needed for myself to do that again So I guess regain for me a sense of who I was and to regain my confidence Wow What did you fear would happen if you didn't do that?

02:50:14.000 I feared that I wouldn't know who I was because when I was younger I'll be the first to admit that I believe I put too much weight into what I did as opposed to who I was.

02:50:27.000 I had too much attached to being a SEAL. It was And I, again, in my opinion, the problem that I see with people that struggle when they get out of the military is if they attach too much of their identity to an occupation that they've walked away from, they really...

02:50:44.000 Struggle most times not always but most times and those people can end up getting themselves into some pretty bad positions and when for guys who get out from that career When they go off the rails fuck me they go off the rails in a big way because we have two speeds We have fifth gear and hold my beer.

02:51:00.000 That's the only two speeds that we have yeah, and I thought I had lost that and I I was at a point in my life where like I said I was where I wanted to be Doing what I was wanting to do.

02:51:11.000 I thought I was doing it right I thought I was going to die.

02:51:16.000 And 36 hours after getting shot, I got off the stairs of an airplane in Virginia Beach and my wife had my son in a stroller and was pregnant with my middle son.

02:51:27.000 It just was such a bizarre...

02:51:29.000 Series of events that happened so quickly and I went from going so fast to nowhere to having nothing to do to not Understanding why I couldn't train my body to get back to where I was It was the only job I had in my adult life other than working for my father I had too much I had too much invested in that occupational title and I think one of the best things that I was able to do in my military career was to survive it and get out and to move on and That's one of the hardest things for fighters as well.

02:51:56.000 It's a big thing with MMA fighters, boxers too.

02:51:59.000 They just don't know what to do when it's over.

02:52:01.000 They become these incredible winners in this one avenue.

02:52:05.000 And then once that's done, they rarely achieve that same kind of success in anything else.

02:52:12.000 Well, they're probably not thinking about anything else when they're in the middle of fighting, which is very common with people in the military, too, because the job does require a very focused, myopic sense of drive.

02:52:24.000 This is what you need to do, especially in the SEAL teams.

02:52:26.000 It's the team comes first.

02:52:27.000 Team gear, personal gear, then take care of yourself.

02:52:30.000 Worry more about the person to your left and to the right, and then worry about yourself.

02:52:33.000 You know, consider the impacts of your actions and your words on the people around you, and then on yourself.

02:52:38.000 So it's very...

02:52:39.000 It is very driven down into a laser-like focus, but that's also required to survive and thrive in those environments.

02:52:46.000 But if left unchecked, you'll end up at the end of your career not prepared for the next phase of your life.

02:52:52.000 And say you do 20 years in the military, which is what you need to do to get a retirement.

02:52:56.000 You join when you're 18. So, hey, you're 38. Well, the average lifespan of an American is, what, 80, 85?

02:53:02.000 You got a lot of time left.

02:53:03.000 What are you going to do?

02:53:05.000 And if you haven't thought about it, It's, I see guys who struggle.

02:53:11.000 I see guys, and I struggle myself, but I think I went through that struggle while I was still in, and I think that struggle allowed me to lift my chin up just a little bit to look around and start thinking about the future. 0.99

02:53:26.000 You're a bad motherfucker, Andy Stump. 0.99

02:53:28.000 Let's wrap this up. 1.00

02:53:29.000 I don't know about that, but...

02:53:30.000 I do.

02:53:31.000 Let's wrap this up right there.

02:53:32.000 Cool.

02:53:33.000 Thanks, brother.

02:53:33.000 Appreciate you, man.

02:53:34.000 Yeah, thanks for having me.

02:53:35.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back tomorrow.

02:53:37.000 See ya!

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 04, 2017

Joe Rogan Experience #1047 - Andy Stumpf

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