The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1051 - Duncan Trussell & Christopher Ryan

00:00:00.000 Goodbye Yellow Brick Road.

00:00:02.000 Yeah.

00:00:03.000 That's some good song.

00:00:04.000 Oh yeah, dude. 1.00

00:00:06.000 The bitch is back. 1.00

00:00:07.000 Oh! 1.00

00:00:07.000 And we're live, ladies and gentlemen, Shrimp Parade. 1.00

00:00:09.000 Powerful Duncan Trussell's in the house!

00:00:11.000 Yeah!

00:00:11.000 You're back!

00:00:12.000 I'm back!

00:00:12.000 Dr. Chris Ryan, looking like you're fresh off a vacation, like we just pulled you out of someone's sailboat.

00:00:18.000 I was on a fishing trip.

00:00:21.000 Perfect, right?

00:00:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:00:23.000 Endless vacation.

00:00:24.000 We were talking about Elton John right before we started.

00:00:27.000 I think there's some Elton John songs that are just...

00:00:31.000 All-time classics, you know?

00:00:33.000 Yeah, what are your favorites?

00:00:34.000 Top three.

00:00:35.000 Boy, um...

00:00:38.000 Man.

00:00:39.000 Do you like Daniel?

00:00:40.000 That's the best.

00:00:40.000 Daniel's a great song.

00:00:41.000 I love that.

00:00:42.000 Rocketman is one of my favorites.

00:00:43.000 Rocketman's great.

00:00:44.000 Rocketman's so good.

00:00:45.000 What do you think that's about?

00:00:46.000 I don't know.

00:00:47.000 I never thought about that.

00:00:49.000 Let me go over the lyrics.

00:00:50.000 You know, that's one of those songs you just, the lyrics almost become inconsequential because the lyrics are, oh, this is the sound that song makes.

00:00:58.000 I remember that song.

00:00:59.000 That song has this feeling.

00:01:00.000 It's like listening to a song in a different language.

00:01:02.000 Right, right.

00:01:03.000 The voice is just an instrument.

00:01:05.000 It's weird when you find out what a song's about and it's the opposite.

00:01:09.000 Oh, what, does it say what it is?

00:01:11.000 No, this is just the lyrics?

00:01:12.000 Yeah, it's about an astronaut.

00:01:15.000 No!

00:01:16.000 I don't think it is.

00:01:17.000 I think it's about...

00:01:17.000 Snorting ketamine.

00:01:19.000 Is that what it is?

00:01:20.000 It's lonely out in space, I miss my wife, I miss the earth so much.

00:01:24.000 Are you just guessing?

00:01:26.000 Well, I mean, we all get to interpret music in our own way, but for sure, that's Elton John.

00:01:31.000 He's in some hotel room.

00:01:32.000 He's laid out some lines of ketamine.

00:01:35.000 Look at what it says here.

00:01:37.000 It says, during the drug era, given that it was penned during the 1970s drug era, people can still see that it serves as an extended metaphor comparing fame to space travel.

00:01:47.000 Wow.

00:01:47.000 That makes a ton of sense.

00:01:50.000 But I bet it also was about rocket travel.

00:01:53.000 Because Bernie Taupin wrote it, right?

00:01:55.000 Yeah.

00:01:55.000 He wrote it.

00:01:56.000 He wrote them all.

00:01:57.000 Yeah.

00:01:57.000 What a great combination, the two of those guys.

00:02:00.000 It's like you and Young Jamie.

00:02:02.000 Very similar.

00:02:03.000 Nobody ever hears about Young Jamie.

00:02:05.000 Last time I was here, I tried to get him on my podcast.

00:02:07.000 He's eluding me.

00:02:08.000 Really?

00:02:09.000 He's smart.

00:02:09.000 I remember that.

00:02:09.000 Sorry.

00:02:10.000 Doesn't want to be on your crazy podcast out in the woods.

00:02:14.000 Come in the van, Jamie.

00:02:16.000 We'll record in the van.

00:02:21.000 Saturday Night, that's a great one.

00:02:23.000 All Right for Fightin'.

00:02:24.000 Yeah, that's a great one.

00:02:25.000 That's a great workout song.

00:02:26.000 That's a real kind of like...

00:02:27.000 Yeah, I'll bet.

00:02:29.000 It's like a punk British... 0.67

00:02:31.000 Yeah.

00:02:33.000 Daniel's the first time I really thought about Spain.

00:02:35.000 It's about Daniel, my brother.

00:02:37.000 He's heading out on the plane.

00:02:39.000 I can see the red-tailed lights heading for Spain.

00:02:41.000 That's about his friend dying, for sure.

00:02:44.000 He's blind, no.

00:02:45.000 It's about his blind brother, I believe.

00:02:48.000 I'm misinterpreting all these Hudson John songs.

00:02:50.000 You must have that experience a lot.

00:02:51.000 I'm starting to like him less.

00:02:52.000 I like him less.

00:02:53.000 I don't like what his songs are about.

00:02:57.000 Well, you know what's interesting about this conversation is trying to interpret what songs are is the very actual thing that happened when people were trying to interpret the stories from the Bible.

00:03:08.000 It's basically the same thing.

00:03:10.000 We're trying to figure out, no, he meant this.

00:03:12.000 No, he meant that.

00:03:13.000 These parables and some of the stories that are in the Bible.

00:03:15.000 You know, if you go to the John Marco Allegro definition, what does it say?

00:03:19.000 A song was written from his younger brother's perspective.

00:03:24.000 A story about a guy who went back to a small town in Texas, returning from the Vietnam War.

00:03:29.000 Wow.

00:03:30.000 Okay.

00:03:30.000 That's Daniel.

00:03:31.000 And he was blind, right?

00:03:33.000 Your eyes have died, but you see more than I. Oh, wow.

00:03:36.000 Yeah.

00:03:36.000 Huh.

00:03:37.000 Do you still feel the pain of the scars that won't heal?

00:03:40.000 Oh, wow.

00:03:40.000 It's a beautiful song.

00:03:41.000 Have you guys heard, you know that song, Summer of 69?

00:03:44.000 Jamie, maybe you can bring this up.

00:03:45.000 Yeah, the Bryan Adams one?

00:03:46.000 And that's about, like, actually 69ing.

00:03:50.000 Oh, really?

00:03:54.000 This is completely wrong. 0.99

00:03:56.000 But look it up, because I think the summer of 69, one interpretation is that's like a fuck summer he had. 0.97

00:04:04.000 Where he was like 69-ing all summer. 0.98

00:04:06.000 Is that true?

00:04:08.000 Yes!

00:04:09.000 Is it true?

00:04:09.000 Ding, ding!

00:04:10.000 Here we go.

00:04:11.000 Had my first real six string.

00:04:14.000 Bryan Adams' fourth album, Reckless.

00:04:18.000 Summer of 69 had many meanings, although one of them included life in 1969, while another includes making love with someone, hence using the number 69 as a reference.

00:04:28.000 Boy, that's not accurate, the way they said that.

00:04:31.000 This is like the internet interpretation, sorry.

00:04:34.000 What I meant was, it's like, you would never say that.

00:04:38.000 That wouldn't be how you convey your feelings.

00:04:40.000 Like, if you're writing that song, like the summer of 69, and this...

00:04:45.000 Hold on, go back to that, please.

00:04:47.000 It says, while another includes making love with someone.

00:04:50.000 That is just...

00:04:51.000 That's not an accurate way.

00:04:53.000 I don't know, man.

00:04:54.000 You're talking about 69ing. 0.50

00:04:55.000 I mean, yeah, you're making love, but you're getting crazy.

00:04:58.000 It's like there's more to it than that.

00:05:00.000 The same thing is like...

00:05:02.000 Trying to interpret stories from a Bible or something like that.

00:05:05.000 You're boiling them down.

00:05:07.000 You're trying to figure out, what was this guy actually saying?

00:05:10.000 Yeah.

00:05:10.000 It's literary interpretation.

00:05:12.000 Yeah.

00:05:13.000 It's all poetry, right?

00:05:15.000 My favorite example of a song that sort of misleads you...

00:05:18.000 I mean, I really like songs where the cover's better than the original because the person doing the cover gets what the song's about better than the original artist does.

00:05:26.000 I mean, All Along the Watchtower, Hendrix's version is way better than...

00:05:30.000 Dylan's, right?

00:05:31.000 Dylan actually said that.

00:05:33.000 But my favorite example in recent music is Hey Ya by Outkast.

00:05:39.000 Oh, okay.

00:05:39.000 You know, shake it like a Polaroid picture.

00:05:41.000 Hey ya.

00:05:42.000 My baby don't mess around because she loves me so. 0.98

00:05:44.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:05:46.000 You know, it's real upbeat.

00:05:47.000 Listen to the words.

00:05:49.000 But does she really want to but can't stand to see me walk out the door?

00:05:53.000 Don't try to stop the feeling because the thought alone is killing me right now.

00:05:57.000 Thank God for Mom and Dad for sticking two together, because we don't know how.

00:06:02.000 It's all about how we don't know how to love each other.

00:06:04.000 Wow.

00:06:06.000 Yeah, hey fellas, what's cooler than being cool?

00:06:08.000 Ice cold.

00:06:10.000 If what they say is nothing lasts forever, then what makes love the exception?

00:06:15.000 Oh, why, oh, why are we so in denial when we know we're not happy here?

00:06:19.000 Wow.

00:06:20.000 It's a really sad song.

00:06:22.000 Super sad.

00:06:23.000 Yeah.

00:06:24.000 There's a dude who did a cover of it, Obadiah Parker.

00:06:28.000 See, the thing that I really like about...

00:06:31.000 He gets it.

00:06:32.000 He gets the sadness of it.

00:06:33.000 Play some of that. 1.00

00:06:47.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:06:49.000 It's depressing. 0.99

00:06:50.000 This is really good.

00:06:55.000 Wow. 0.99

00:07:02.000 This is fucking great! 0.99

00:07:05.000 There's people right now screaming at their phone. 1.00

00:07:07.000 You're a retarded Joe Rogan! 1.00

00:07:10.000 You don't know what great is! 1.00

00:07:11.000 You're so fucking sick of your music tastes! 1.00

00:07:15.000 It's so bad, bro! 1.00

00:07:17.000 Your music tastes are so bad!

00:07:20.000 I get more tweets about how bad my taste is in music and movies and television shows.

00:07:24.000 Well, blame it on me.

00:07:25.000 And that cut Chris Ryan.

00:07:27.000 Yeah, I was looking at something the other day, something on some video of yours in the comments or something, and it occurred to me how your audience is, first of all, so large and also so mixed because you've got your fingers in all these different worlds That you must get a lot more hostility than someone like Duncan or me,

00:07:46.000 because our audience is more sort of homogeneous, I would think.

00:07:50.000 I'm the bridge between the meatheads and the potheads.

00:07:52.000 Exactly.

00:07:53.000 So there's conflict, no matter which way you go.

00:07:56.000 There's a little, but the meatheads... 1.00

00:07:59.000 Kind of get that, like, if you want to go to the far end of the extreme, it's like the UFC fans.

00:08:04.000 But the UFC fans know, like, I'm a representative.

00:08:08.000 Like, I'm doing my best.

00:08:10.000 Like, they know I'm 100% into this.

00:08:13.000 This is not like, I'm not like some actor that they hired to promote this.

00:08:17.000 But then you got all the way to the far left, which is the psychedelic people, and I got a ton of vegan followers and people that are really into yoga.

00:08:25.000 And it's like all of them together, it's like the weirdest fucking house party when you see them sometimes in the comments. 0.82

00:08:31.000 Well, no, man. 0.98

00:08:31.000 This is like... 0.98

00:08:32.000 At this Ram Dass retreat that I just went to, one of the people who runs the retreat wanted me to thank you because he's like, you know, your podcast brings a lot of people to these Ram Dass retreats, which is such a strange thing to think,

00:08:49.000 man, that you're like magnetizing people, And bringing them down a slippery slope where they land in Maui, hanging out with, like, Buddhist and, like, Hindu teachers.

00:09:02.000 It's really crazy, man.

00:09:03.000 It's a very odd thing.

00:09:05.000 How many, like, how many tentacles you have. 0.99

00:09:08.000 Fucking Burning Man. 1.00

00:09:09.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:09:10.000 Burning Man.

00:09:11.000 Everybody wants you to go, man.

00:09:13.000 You've got to go.

00:09:14.000 You've got to go!

00:09:15.000 When is it again?

00:09:16.000 It's like Labor Day.

00:09:17.000 I think it's during elk hunting season.

00:09:18.000 It's late August, early September.

00:09:20.000 Listen, you can't...

00:09:20.000 You can't...

00:09:22.000 Bring some Elks to Burning Man! 1.00

00:09:24.000 I can't interact with that many people.

00:09:26.000 I can't do that anymore.

00:09:27.000 Those days are done.

00:09:28.000 But you know what has changed?

00:09:31.000 One of the biggest things that's ever changed because of this podcast?

00:09:33.000 The float industry.

00:09:35.000 The float industry has taken off.

00:09:37.000 I get, like, residual gratitude from float places.

00:09:41.000 Like, I know you know Joe Rogan.

00:09:43.000 You can float for free.

00:09:45.000 Wow, that's amazing.

00:09:46.000 Well, the thing is, it just didn't make any sense to me that before I was talking about it, no one was talking about it.

00:09:51.000 This was something that was invented by Lilly in, what, 1960-something?

00:09:55.000 He had the first one where you were vertical.

00:09:58.000 He had one where you would wear a helmet, and you had a harness, and the helmet would float you.

00:10:02.000 And then he figured out the salt thing.

00:10:05.000 And, I mean, the fact that this was not a popular thing was blowing me away.

00:10:10.000 Well, it was, but then it died because of the AIDS thing.

00:10:12.000 Yeah, I don't think it was ever this popular.

00:10:15.000 No, no, but it was much, it was higher, then it dropped a lot.

00:10:18.000 The AIDS thing killed it.

00:10:20.000 Yeah, and then you sort of brought it back in, yeah.

00:10:22.000 But with John Lilly, you know, what's interesting about him, people leave out about him.

00:10:27.000 A lot.

00:10:28.000 He was talking to aliens. 1.00

00:10:29.000 And it's an interesting thing that people just kind of push all that shit aside. 0.99

00:10:34.000 They know him as the float guy. 0.99

00:10:36.000 He invented float tanks.

00:10:37.000 And the dolphin guy.

00:10:38.000 But also they completely leave out that he was going into those tanks and claiming some kind of communication with something called the ECC or something.

00:10:47.000 ECCO. You know about that?

00:10:48.000 Yeah.

00:10:49.000 The Earth Coincidence Control Office or something.

00:10:52.000 You know about that?

00:10:52.000 Is that in the center of the cyclone?

00:10:54.000 Yeah, center of the cyclone.

00:10:55.000 But he was going way out, talking about some kind of invisible, I guess, network that produces coincidences.

00:11:04.000 I don't understand it at all, but people just completely leave that out, that the guy who created float tanks was using them to communicate with entities.

00:11:14.000 And he was using a lot of ketamine.

00:11:17.000 A lot of ketamine, yeah. 0.98

00:11:18.000 Or maybe they're leaving out that the guy who invented float tanks lost his shit there toward the end.

00:11:23.000 Well, maybe, but I think that I don't know what's happening when you're doing psychedelics, but there are certain psychedelics where it absolutely feels like you're experiencing another life form communicating with you. 0.93

00:11:36.000 For sure.

00:11:36.000 For sure, right?

00:11:37.000 Now, if that's the case with ketamine as well, ketamine seems to be, like me personally, my personal bias, I sort of dismiss it because I think of it as some sort of chemical compound thing.

00:11:48.000 Some sort of a synthetic thing that man's created.

00:11:51.000 Ketamine?

00:11:51.000 Like what?

00:11:52.000 It's some tranquilizer.

00:11:53.000 So DMT is more reliable?

00:11:54.000 But I think that's just my own ignorance.

00:11:56.000 I think, really, we're just talking about chemicals, right?

00:12:00.000 And how chemicals that exist in nature.

00:12:02.000 Like when someone says it's an artificial chemical.

00:12:04.000 Well, that's not real.

00:12:05.000 Because everything is natural.

00:12:07.000 Everything's here.

00:12:08.000 Like it may have been concocted and put together and baked and cooked and synthesized by a person.

00:12:13.000 But of course it's all natural.

00:12:14.000 Everything that's...

00:12:16.000 Well, but isn't that semantics, though?

00:12:18.000 It is and it isn't, in that these chemicals most likely have some sort of a corresponding receptor in the human brain, right?

00:12:27.000 Or something similar to the molecule.

00:12:30.000 Yeah, and it's some natural thing.

00:12:32.000 That's the craziest thing about the most potent drugs, whether it's psilocybin or whether it's dimethyltryptamine, they have really similar composition to normal human neurochemistry.

00:12:43.000 Right.

00:12:44.000 They're like keys.

00:12:45.000 They're keys that fit a certain lock.

00:12:47.000 That's how they put it.

00:12:48.000 But I do think that there is a distinction between natural and unnatural in the sense that something, because I get this argument all the time, right?

00:12:56.000 Oh, people created it so it's natural.

00:12:58.000 There are things that exist in the natural system, like plastics don't exist in the natural ecosystem, and therefore they don't break down.

00:13:06.000 They don't become part of the food chain in a beneficial way, whereas things that have existed in that system for a long time do.

00:13:14.000 They fit into it.

00:13:15.000 And I think in terms of drugs, there are drugs like GHB that exist naturally in the body that we metabolize absolutely cleanly because the liver knows exactly what it is.

00:13:25.000 It's prepared to deal with it.

00:13:27.000 And it doesn't cause any organic toxicity, no neurotoxicity.

00:13:31.000 But then there are other things like alcohol, which are natural in a sense that fruits ferment and all that, but the body doesn't metabolize it cleanly, so it damages us.

00:13:41.000 In particular, if you're from a very specific part of the world, right?

00:13:46.000 If it's not a part of your custom, which is why it was such a giant issue when Europeans came here.

00:13:51.000 Native Americans.

00:13:52.000 Yeah, they didn't have any history with alcohol.

00:13:55.000 Well, you know, Hamilton Morris, the vice guy, he tweeted this thing I thought was pretty smart, probably a little controversial.

00:14:01.000 Forgive me if I misquote it, but it's something along the lines of...

00:14:05.000 It's drugs.

00:14:06.000 And that word is a controversial word.

00:14:09.000 Somehow people like to use the term plant medicine, which is okay.

00:14:12.000 You can call it plant medicine, or you can call it whatever you want.

00:14:15.000 But to create a hierarchy based on synthesis, I think, is to sort of miss the point.

00:14:22.000 Which is that all of these things are tools, and some of them we have more of a history with humanity, and some of them we don't.

00:14:29.000 The ones we don't, which is, my God, there's so many new drugs that are just popping up all the time.

00:14:37.000 Different derivatives of LSD, things you can, like, right now apparently you can order sheets of this stuff That is like LSD, but it's in the gray area.

00:14:47.000 It's still kind of legal.

00:14:49.000 It's like a different version of LSD, but we don't know yet the effects it's going to have, because it's not like anyone's really testing it outside.

00:14:56.000 Don't say the name, because Jeff Sessions is listening.

00:14:58.000 He's got one hand on his earmuffs, the other hand is writing his nose down.

00:15:02.000 Oh my god, another drug!

00:15:02.000 You gotta get rid of it!

00:15:05.000 Little southern dick. 1.00

00:15:08.000 That'd be scary if Jeff Sessions had a giant dick. 1.00

00:15:12.000 I was talking to a woman who had sex with a little person and she said he had a normal sized dick. 1.00

00:15:20.000 They have big heads. 1.00

00:15:23.000 So Jeff Sessions with a normal sized dick would be interesting proportionally. 1.00

00:15:28.000 Yeah, I don't know. 1.00

00:15:29.000 I mean, it's just scary to think about, like, Jeff Sessions having, like, some kind of, like, because, you know, he's such a, you know, he's just such the quintessential pig, you know? 0.82

00:15:38.000 And it's like, you want the quintessential pig to have some kind of, like, to be almost like a eunuch or something. 1.00

00:15:44.000 But it's terrifying to imagine that Jeff Sessions, when he takes his clothes off, probably has, like, six nipples, you know, just running right down the middle of his fucking chest. 1.00

00:15:56.000 Right. 1.00

00:15:56.000 Glistening. 1.00

00:15:57.000 They ooze.

00:15:59.000 He gets wet when he's arresting people.

00:16:01.000 They ooze a little milky trail.

00:16:03.000 Little goat knobs that he has to file down at night. 0.97

00:16:06.000 Yeah, little goat knobs. 0.99

00:16:07.000 Yeah, he's got hooves.

00:16:09.000 He's got a file. 1.00

00:16:09.000 He visits private prisons and just pulls out his massive throbbing cock in front of people who've been sentenced there for life. 1.00

00:16:18.000 Look at it! 1.00

00:16:19.000 Look at it!

00:16:20.000 He squirts right on that screen that you put your hand on.

00:16:22.000 Mr. Sessions, I was standing up for you.

00:16:24.000 I just want you to know that.

00:16:25.000 He's going after medical marijuana again.

00:16:27.000 He's trying to.

00:16:28.000 It's almost like he can't help himself.

00:16:29.000 He knows what the laws are, and it's almost like, but, but, but, I'm just going to grab him.

00:16:33.000 Let me just grab him.

00:16:34.000 Yeah, sure.

00:16:34.000 Let me just grab him.

00:16:35.000 I know what science says, but I've got my personal opinions on the thing, and that's what matters.

00:16:40.000 Yeah, just any time there's one person has authority over another person, and they've lived an entire life in that position, that's their ecosystem.

00:16:49.000 Their ecosystem is they have authority, they enforce laws, they lock people up, and it's the game.

00:16:54.000 It's the game they play.

00:16:55.000 Drugs are bad.

00:16:56.000 Not just that.

00:16:57.000 It's like there's an objective.

00:16:59.000 It's literally almost like a monopoly game.

00:17:01.000 You see what the thing is to arrest people.

00:17:04.000 You're the guy who arrests people.

00:17:05.000 You arrest people and convict people.

00:17:07.000 That's your game.

00:17:08.000 That's what you do.

00:17:09.000 You're plugged into the machine.

00:17:10.000 Do you know an interesting thing about monopoly?

00:17:12.000 It was invented by an anarchist who invented it to teach kids the evils of capitalism.

00:17:20.000 Wow.

00:17:21.000 Really?

00:17:22.000 Yeah.

00:17:23.000 That's incredible.

00:17:24.000 Goofy anarchists are.

00:17:25.000 They did the exact opposite thing.

00:17:27.000 It's like what they do today.

00:17:28.000 It wasn't supposed to be fun.

00:17:29.000 It was supposed to demonstrate that when you accumulate capital, you end up taking it all.

00:17:33.000 Right.

00:17:34.000 Wait, what do you think anarchists are?

00:17:36.000 Well, I think that anarchists are people who want to diminish this system that we have, have far less rules, have far less government, right?

00:17:46.000 And usually, they're kind of spastic. 1.00

00:17:49.000 And the way they express themselves is always very awkward.

00:17:55.000 I've just been reading this book, Anarcho-Syndicalism.

00:18:02.000 It's really interesting to look at the history of anarchism, like what it comes from versus what it gets interpreted.

00:18:09.000 Because I remember when I was in high school. 0.88

00:18:11.000 Do you remember drawing the fucking anarchy symbol and you'd be like, yeah, it means... 0.98

00:18:14.000 It means you just go, wow, man! 0.99

00:18:16.000 Fight the power, man!

00:18:17.000 You don't even know what it meant.

00:18:18.000 You're just assuming.

00:18:19.000 But I think one part of it that's really beautiful is the idea that we don't need withered old prunes like Jeff Sessions Telling us what we can put in our bodies.

00:18:31.000 We don't need that.

00:18:32.000 It's true.

00:18:33.000 And that how many Jeff Sessions are there in the power structure? 0.78

00:18:37.000 And then where it gets really fucking cool, man, check out David Graber.

00:18:42.000 You should have him on the podcast. 0.99

00:18:43.000 My God, he's fucking brilliant. 0.97

00:18:45.000 What's he do? 0.98

00:18:46.000 He's an author.

00:18:48.000 A philosopher, I guess you could say.

00:18:50.000 But he is incredible. 0.97

00:18:53.000 And he wrote a book called, I think it's called The Utopia of Rules that I've been reading, which is pretty fucking badass.

00:18:59.000 And it's just sort of breaking down like the...

00:19:05.000 The bureaucracy that we're in right now.

00:19:07.000 Bureaucracy. 0.99

00:19:07.000 All the fucking forms you got to fill out to do just about anything these days. 0.99

00:19:10.000 Like all these fucking forms. 1.00

00:19:11.000 It's insanity, right? 0.99

00:19:13.000 But then where it gets really interesting is he's right now.

00:19:16.000 So like in like communist states.

00:19:22.000 The corporations in the state are kind of the same thing.

00:19:24.000 So there's these like Ministry of Labor.

00:19:27.000 The stores are all national stores, you know?

00:19:30.000 And so we think that that's not what's happening right now.

00:19:33.000 But actually, because the people who are running a lot of the corporations used to be in government And the people who are in government used to be running these big corporations.

00:19:42.000 One of the cool points he makes, and also because the government is making the rules that the corporations are working by, but the corporations are putting their own agents into the state, he's saying that actually the line between the state and private companies is really blurry right now.

00:19:58.000 They're kind of merging together, but we like to pretend that they're separate. 0.94

00:20:03.000 For example, what's happening right now with the fucking FCC trying to take away the internet, with Verizon having one of their fucking pig drones in a superposition of power right now is trying to take away the freedom of the internet. 0.97

00:20:16.000 The state can be like, the corporations can blame it on the state. 0.97

00:20:20.000 Well, just clarify what you mean by that, because they're not trying to take away the freedom of the internet.

00:20:24.000 They're trying to get rid of net neutrality.

00:20:27.000 Exactly, yeah.

00:20:28.000 So what it just means is that you will have to probably pay more to access things that require more bandwidth.

00:20:36.000 It's not going to be what it is now, where every website has open access to it.

00:20:40.000 That's it. 0.79

00:20:40.000 Sucks. 0.79

00:20:41.000 And you get two versions, right? 0.97

00:20:42.000 You get the capitalist version, that thinks it's a good idea, and then you get the tech version, which thinks it's a terrible idea.

00:20:47.000 I almost always go towards the tech version.

00:20:49.000 Have to.

00:20:50.000 But that's the anaconda, you know, the way an anaconda kills somebody.

00:20:53.000 Every time you exhale, it squeezes in a little bit.

00:20:56.000 That's all. 0.99

00:20:57.000 Like, right now, the squeeze in is, okay, this fucking internet... 1.00

00:21:02.000 It sucks if you're somebody like Jeff Sessions. 0.99

00:21:04.000 That's not where the money's coming from. 0.98

00:21:06.000 I think you're misinterpreting the whole idea.

00:21:08.000 It's all just a business thing.

00:21:10.000 It's like being able to throttle the data and being able to decide if you want to have Netflix on the network, they want to be able to work out some sort of a deal.

00:21:21.000 They don't want to treat Netflix like it's any other sort of streaming service.

00:21:24.000 You're looking at the There's business transactions.

00:21:28.000 They're looking at it in a business sense.

00:21:29.000 They're not saying the internet sucks.

00:21:31.000 No one is trying to squeeze the internet and stop it.

00:21:34.000 What they're trying to do is make more money.

00:21:35.000 Well, okay, great.

00:21:36.000 They're trying to make more money.

00:21:37.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:21:37.000 Yeah, I do hear you.

00:21:38.000 I do know what you're saying.

00:21:39.000 But I think it's a slippery slope.

00:21:41.000 And it's the idea of the internet being treated like...

00:21:46.000 Right.

00:21:53.000 Right.

00:22:03.000 That corporations in the state aren't as separate as we like to think.

00:22:06.000 Then suddenly there's all kinds of back channels.

00:22:08.000 There's suddenly there becomes a new way to begin to filter out content.

00:22:12.000 And you could say it's for money.

00:22:14.000 You start building financial walls around things or you start making things vanish into the background because they aren't in some big conglomerate that's paying off the Corporations more or whatever.

00:22:25.000 You just mess up the whole thing, which as far as I can tell, it's doing great.

00:22:29.000 The Internet's great. 0.99

00:22:30.000 This fucking compound you're in right now, you know, a lot of it came from the Internet. 0.99

00:22:35.000 This thing we're doing right now. 1.00

00:22:36.000 It's the way the Internet's been working.

00:22:38.000 Oh, dude, no one's a bigger proponent of the Internet than I am.

00:22:41.000 I just think when we're talking about these issues, you've got to be...

00:22:44.000 You've got to be really objective about what's trying to happen here.

00:22:47.000 They're not trying to silence dissent.

00:22:49.000 They're just trying to make as much money as possible.

00:22:53.000 This is a weird, tricky time when it comes to information.

00:22:56.000 We do have to be very careful because it could wind up being like, hey, you get your internet from Comcast.

00:23:02.000 Well, Comcast does no longer allow the laugh app that has your podcast featured on it.

00:23:08.000 Or, you know, some new streaming service that's yet to be discovered that will be in the future challenging YouTube.

00:23:14.000 So YouTube gets together with Google, you know, they're owned by Google, and they get together with Verizon, and they make it exclusive for the Verizon network.

00:23:22.000 If you want to get on YouTube, you have to be on the Verizon network.

00:23:25.000 This is all inside the realm of possibility.

00:23:28.000 At a deeper level, though, anybody who thinks that government has not been totally captured by corporations...

00:23:34.000 Isn't paying attention.

00:23:35.000 I mean, that's not news in this country.

00:23:37.000 I mean, you come from Europe, and this is one of the things, the problems I have with anarchists and libertarians.

00:23:42.000 I think they're very naive about what the world would look like if there were no government regulations.

00:23:48.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:23:50.000 Every river would be too poisoned to swim in. 0.99

00:23:53.000 The air would be fucking... 1.00

00:23:55.000 Because corporations, it makes sense for them to dump their shit as near to the factory as possible. 1.00

00:24:00.000 They don't give a fuck about birth defects and dead people. 1.00

00:24:04.000 It doesn't matter. 0.98

00:24:05.000 That's true, but a lot of good things come from a lot of anarchist theorists, and some of those things, I agree with you. 0.92

00:24:13.000 Well, I think a lot of it relates back to my shit with the hunter-gatherers, because hunter-gatherers are essentially anarchists, functioning anarchists. 0.91

00:24:20.000 Oh, yeah, right. 0.97

00:24:20.000 The problem is when you scale up, and you've got corporations, you know, I've talked about this on this podcast before, my idea that... 0.97

00:24:28.000 My belief that corporations are living things, institutions are living things, and their agendas conflict with ours.

00:24:34.000 Like superorganisms or something, right?

00:24:36.000 Yeah, that's spooky.

00:24:37.000 I think that every time you get large groups of people together and they operate under one window or one umbrella, rather, they just tend to act like an organism.

00:24:45.000 Just what countries do.

00:24:47.000 I mean, it's a natural thing that human beings do for some strange reason.

00:24:51.000 Not only human beings, right?

00:24:52.000 Think about flocks of birds and schools of fish and ant hills.

00:24:56.000 There are all sorts of examples.

00:24:58.000 And then you go the other direction, our microbiome.

00:25:02.000 I mean, that's all functioning according to its own systems, and that's happening within us.

00:25:08.000 There's all sorts of scalable stuff going on.

00:25:11.000 I think you'd be insane to not think there needs to be some kind of structure to help things function smoothly.

00:25:17.000 But I think we all agree we don't need as much structure as we've got right now.

00:25:22.000 But the problem is...

00:25:24.000 Sorry to interrupt you.

00:25:24.000 Go ahead.

00:25:25.000 Just to finish the point, I think what happens is a lot of people get in their heads and they start thinking that the state is responsible in some way or another for their well-being.

00:25:35.000 And that's what happens is you start forgetting that...

00:25:40.000 What's really important is communities.

00:25:42.000 What's really important is finding a group of people that you love and deciding in this group of people, loosely, it's not a commune, it's not like a cult, but just deciding with a group of people that you love, making this really intense decision, which is none of us are ever going to be homeless.

00:25:58.000 You could start there.

00:25:59.000 That used to be what the family was, but a lot of people don't have that anymore.

00:26:02.000 So groups of people agreeing very loosely to take care of each other in a way that the state is currently functioning with welfare and all that shit.

00:26:12.000 That, to me, is like, it's not anarchy, but it's a sense of shrugging off the idea that the state is really going to take care of you.

00:26:22.000 But what if the state is an expression of that sense of community as it is in a country like Denmark, for example, where Danish people and Dutch people and Swedish people and, you know, lots of Northern European countries said, you know, we're not going to let anyone be homeless and suffering.

00:26:37.000 We're not going to let any children We're going to be malnourished in this country.

00:26:41.000 We're going to take care of each other.

00:26:43.000 It depends on how, if there was a pure expression, for one, if the people were unified enough to create a pure expression of what their central goals were, that would be pretty startling to me.

00:26:55.000 But we pay lip service to it in America all the time.

00:26:58.000 You know, thanks for your service, and we're all in this together, we're all Americans, you know, around the flag, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:04.000 That's what we're doing.

00:27:05.000 We're trying to create this sense of community.

00:27:08.000 We're all in it together.

00:27:09.000 But when it comes to actually taking care of each other, then we don't do it. 0.99

00:27:14.000 Well, I mean, that's, to me, I mean, let me say the most naively stupid thing. 0.98

00:27:17.000 I was just thinking about this on the way over. 1.00

00:27:19.000 I mean, this is so dumb. 0.97

00:27:20.000 But I was really thinking this. 0.99

00:27:21.000 Because, you know, the prisoners are fighting the fires right now.

00:27:24.000 You know that?

00:27:24.000 Is that real?

00:27:25.000 And they're running out of prisoners.

00:27:27.000 They're getting paid $1 an hour to fight these fires. 0.99

00:27:30.000 It's fucking insane. 0.97

00:27:31.000 But I was just thinking to myself- One dollar an hour? 0.99

00:27:34.000 One dollar an hour. 0.99

00:27:35.000 But I was thinking to myself, man, what if everybody in California was like, shit, there's fires, and we all were going to help fight the fires. 0.99

00:27:48.000 Would we all be able to put the fires out if as many people just started flooding to actually go help? 0.99

00:27:55.000 Or if all these homes are burnt down? 0.98

00:27:58.000 And I was just thinking, shit man, if everybody in California is like, alright, let's just go help them build their houses back. 0.99

00:28:05.000 I mean, it's so insane. 0.99

00:28:06.000 Your house would fall apart if you were building a house.

00:28:08.000 Imagine, Dr. Trestle starts building houses.

00:28:10.000 He'd be like, no thanks, Duncan.

00:28:12.000 Hey man, do you even know what level is? 0.99

00:28:15.000 What the fuck did you do? 0.98

00:28:16.000 There's no frame. 1.00

00:28:17.000 I wouldn't be in charge of building the fucking houses. 1.00

00:28:20.000 Making sandwiches. 0.99

00:28:21.000 Yeah, I'd make sandwiches, which is another cool thing that I like about...

00:28:25.000 By the way, I'm not a fucking anarchist, but one cool thing I like about the idea is, like, right now we have this hierarchy of...

00:28:31.000 You know, of like careers, right? 0.92

00:28:34.000 So doctors are valued more than somebody...

00:28:38.000 Plumber.

00:28:38.000 Plumber, right?

00:28:39.000 And plumbers are valued more than like, I don't know, a house cleaner or something.

00:28:45.000 So like, you know, it's considered a low status thing if you're somebody who works in a fast food joint or something like that.

00:28:51.000 But when you get together with a group of people... 0.86

00:28:54.000 Who are fucking cool. 0.51

00:28:55.000 Some people are good at some things and some people are good at other things, but nobody is valued more than the other person because everybody loves each other and you've got this, like, you know, the person who's the most, like, somebody digging trenches to, like, Put electrical wires down. 0.99

00:29:13.000 A pretty unskilled job is super appreciated because who the fuck wants to dig the trenches, man?

00:29:19.000 When you add money to the equation, which is what we're doing right now, and I get it. 0.96

00:29:23.000 I'm not saying get rid of money or whatever. 0.52

00:29:25.000 When you add money to it, everything gets fucking weird. 0.81

00:29:28.000 So what I'm saying is... 0.79

00:29:30.000 It's just right now, when we hear about the fires, we think, okay, I'll donate some money.

00:29:34.000 I'll donate some money.

00:29:36.000 That'll do it.

00:29:37.000 I'll donate some money.

00:29:38.000 But this is, like I said before, this is a crazy, naive idea. 0.98

00:29:41.000 I just had this image of like, fuck, what if just huge groups of people started going towards the fires? 0.98

00:29:48.000 Like white blood cells converging and contaminating. 0.99

00:29:51.000 Yeah, because right now we're using prisoners.

00:29:54.000 Well, do you understand the terrain?

00:29:55.000 This is not something that most people can traverse.

00:29:58.000 You're talking about extremely hilly areas that are also...

00:30:01.000 Yeah.

00:30:02.000 You'd have to be not just fit, but you'd have to understand which way the wind's blowing.

00:30:06.000 You could get shoehorned in and surrounded by fire.

00:30:09.000 There's a lot of serious dangers.

00:30:11.000 It's a beautiful idea on paper.

00:30:13.000 We need training. 0.93

00:30:14.000 I know, it would never fucking happen. 0.97

00:30:17.000 You need gear. 0.61

00:30:18.000 You would need a lot of stuff.

00:30:19.000 Someone would have to organize it.

00:30:21.000 It's what the National Guard was supposed to be, right?

00:30:23.000 It's bigger than the city of Washington, D.C. No, I know.

00:30:27.000 That's how big the fire is. 0.99

00:30:29.000 It's fucking bad. 0.98

00:30:29.000 I mean, it's insane how big it is. 0.98

00:30:31.000 It's terrible.

00:30:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:30:32.000 You would have to get a lot of fucking people to circle that bitch. 1.00

00:30:35.000 But we're just so disconnected. 1.00

00:30:36.000 Get used to it, boys.

00:30:36.000 We're so broke.

00:30:37.000 Yeah, right?

00:30:38.000 We're so broken apart.

00:30:39.000 We're so disconnected.

00:30:40.000 Like, whenever you hear about something going down, it's just a thing that's going down. 1.00

00:30:45.000 If someone's house is burnt down, you're like, ah, that fucking house burnt down. 0.99

00:30:48.000 That's it. 1.00

00:30:48.000 You don't really think much more than that. 1.00

00:30:50.000 And we think the state is going to come in and, like, take care of everything.

00:30:54.000 And I think that's what the state wants.

00:30:56.000 I love using the term, THE STATE! Yeah, but does the state want that, or is it just how it's structured?

00:31:01.000 No, it wants it.

00:31:02.000 Why do you think the state wants that?

00:31:04.000 Because in the same reason anyone who's like in an abusive relationship wants to be in control.

00:31:08.000 It's like, if you think that I'm the one who's gonna help you, then you're dependent on me.

00:31:14.000 Do you think if there was a really effective massive volunteer firefighter force, the state would resist that?

00:31:21.000 No, I don't.

00:31:22.000 That's what's beautiful about it, is I don't know how the state would resist that.

00:31:26.000 I mean, we do see the state resisting things like groups of people getting together and trying to feed the homeless and stuff like that.

00:31:32.000 They do?

00:31:32.000 Yeah.

00:31:33.000 How do they resist?

00:31:34.000 Laws pop up saying you can't feed them.

00:31:36.000 You need licenses and permits.

00:31:38.000 Yeah, licenses.

00:31:39.000 You need licenses to You gotta feed people.

00:31:41.000 You gotta fill out forms, baby!

00:31:42.000 But would that be a good idea to prevent people from poisoning people or people giving them bad food?

00:31:49.000 Yeah, but I mean, I don't know for sure, man, but when was the last time you heard about an organized group like Food Not Bombs poisoning homeless people?

00:31:59.000 Well, it wouldn't have to be that.

00:32:00.000 It would be Dunkin's Food Delivery Service.

00:32:02.000 You just start up tomorrow.

00:32:03.000 You might have good intentions, but not really be qualified to prepare food. 1.00

00:32:08.000 These people are eating fucking hamburgers out of trash cans. 0.99

00:32:11.000 It's definitely better than what they're eating, for sure. 1.00

00:32:13.000 The real issue with homeless people is not just an economic issue, though.

00:32:17.000 One of the big ones that needs to be addressed is mental health.

00:32:20.000 And when they changed the standards during the Reagan administration, they essentially just sent people out on the street.

00:32:25.000 And they were using, Duncan, the argument you're making, basically, which is that the state is providing for people.

00:32:31.000 There should be private church communities, religious-based families.

00:32:35.000 That was the argument they made.

00:32:37.000 I think it was disingenuous.

00:32:38.000 I think it was just about taking money, you know?

00:32:40.000 It's about money.

00:32:41.000 The whole Reagan thing, what we're seeing now is the fruit, the bitter fruit of the Reagan revolution. 1.00

00:32:47.000 They're still using the same economic arguments, this trickle-down shit. 0.92

00:32:50.000 Most listeners probably aren't old enough to remember this, but I remember in the 80s, David Stockman was the economic advisor to Ronald Reagan who came up with all this stuff. 0.98

00:33:00.000 Four or five years later, he left the administration. 0.99

00:33:03.000 He came out and said that was all bullshit. 1.00

00:33:05.000 We knew it was bullshit. 1.00

00:33:06.000 It was just a story we made up. 1.00

00:33:08.000 It makes no economic sense.

00:33:09.000 It's ruining the country.

00:33:11.000 I'm so sorry.

00:33:12.000 Jesus Christ.

00:33:13.000 But they're still using it because it's a narrative that's effective.

00:33:18.000 I'm getting into this a lot recently, like how narratives are popular and powerful, not because they make sense, but because they create a story that justifies the power structure that's in control at the time.

00:33:35.000 Right.

00:33:36.000 Yeah, well, this is why I think it's, like, hyper important right now for people to find groups of people that they love and do more than just, like, play board games.

00:33:45.000 Like, get together with people and, like, make stuff.

00:33:48.000 Like, face the facts, man. 0.99

00:33:50.000 Fucking California's on fire right now. 1.00

00:33:52.000 I mean, everyone thinks this shit just stays the way it is. 1.00

00:33:55.000 It's not just on fire. 0.99

00:33:57.000 It's on fire in a way that you realize, like, oh, it could be twice as bad as this, and we would literally have to, everyone would have to flee the state.

00:34:04.000 And it's December.

00:34:05.000 Yeah.

00:34:06.000 This is the rainy season.

00:34:07.000 Yeah.

00:34:07.000 And it easily could be twice as bad as it is now.

00:34:10.000 We're just, I mean, we're in a weird place.

00:34:13.000 And there's no rain.

00:34:14.000 You know, the rain isn't coming.

00:34:16.000 Yeah, and it sucks that you have to create in your mind the reality of what's happening.

00:34:23.000 My friend, you know, he was sending me pics.

00:34:26.000 He was right by the fires, and he's saying people just can't understand how bad this is.

00:34:31.000 People just can't comprehend it.

00:34:34.000 Because this is real life right now, man.

00:34:39.000 Do you guys feel like...

00:34:41.000 This, for example, and other things that are happening. 0.99

00:34:44.000 Do you feel like this is the shit hitting the fan in a way that always seemed hypothetical? 0.98

00:34:49.000 To me, we're living through a moment that's almost like aliens arriving. 0.99

00:34:56.000 Something that you always thought, well, that would be weird.

00:34:59.000 It's happening.

00:35:00.000 It's happening right now.

00:35:02.000 There are things happening now that seemed inconceivable, even five years ago, ten years ago.

00:35:09.000 I don't know.

00:35:10.000 Like what, specifically?

00:35:11.000 Well, I mean, like, evacuate Santa Barbara?

00:35:14.000 But that's happened a few times.

00:35:15.000 Yeah, Montecito.

00:35:17.000 Well, Donald Trump being president is the main thing I'm thinking of.

00:35:20.000 Of course.

00:35:21.000 And like, oh no, these national monuments, we're selling them to this mining company that now, you know, their lobbyist works for the, you know, heads of the Department of the Interior.

00:35:30.000 And just like, it's over.

00:35:32.000 Like, we're reaching, this is an end stage.

00:35:35.000 But, you know, I know what you mean.

00:35:37.000 And, like, God knows, depending on how high I am, my brain will get really shrill about it. 1.00

00:35:42.000 Fuck! 1.00

00:35:42.000 This is it, man! 1.00

00:35:43.000 This is the end stage! 1.00

00:35:44.000 This is a fucking apocalypse! 1.00

00:35:45.000 It's happened! 1.00

00:35:46.000 Man!

00:35:46.000 But, man!

00:35:47.000 But then when you go and look...

00:35:49.000 Then you take some ketamine.

00:35:51.000 Well, no.

00:35:51.000 Like, I had Bolelli on my podcast recently.

00:35:54.000 He's a historian.

00:35:55.000 The first question I asked him is, is this the end of the world?

00:35:57.000 And he's like, I don't think so.

00:35:59.000 He's like, you know, like, think of when the Black Plague wiped out, like, what, 30% of the people on Earth got wiped?

00:36:06.000 Well, in Europe.

00:36:07.000 It's certainly times that are filled with adversity.

00:36:10.000 And there's a restructuring.

00:36:12.000 Yeah.

00:36:13.000 I don't mean it's the end of the world, per se, but it's the end of the American empire. 0.52

00:36:18.000 It's the end of America as a country that other people around the world looked up to as a model to be emulated.

00:36:27.000 Well, we have a popularity contest to see who controls the nukes.

00:36:30.000 And this is the first time that a popular guy... 0.99

00:36:33.000 That's so fucked up. 0.99

00:36:34.000 That's what it is. 0.99

00:36:34.000 And this is the first time a popular guy entered the popularity contest. 0.99

00:36:37.000 Right.

00:36:37.000 Someone who knows how to be popular.

00:36:39.000 And there's a bunch of people out there that are pro wrestling fans and they bought right in hook, line, and sinker.

00:36:44.000 Yeah.

00:36:44.000 And that's a very simplistic version of it.

00:36:47.000 There's a lot of other people that wanted to throw a monkey wrench in the system because they thought Hillary Clinton was a crook. 1.00

00:36:52.000 And she probably is. 1.00

00:36:53.000 Because they're all crooks. 1.00

00:36:55.000 Most of those people at the top are at least in some way fucked up. 1.00

00:36:59.000 Yes. 0.99

00:37:00.000 But we have an opportunity to rebound.

00:37:02.000 Al Franken.

00:37:03.000 I know. 0.96

00:37:05.000 Al Franken's just a butt grabber. 0.96

00:37:07.000 Not even. 0.96

00:37:09.000 Did you read the straw that broke the camel's back?

00:37:12.000 The last one where they all said enough is enough?

00:37:15.000 It was in the Atlantic.

00:37:16.000 She asked for a photo.

00:37:18.000 He put his arm around.

00:37:20.000 His hand was on her waist. 0.55

00:37:22.000 And he squoze her fat. 1.00

00:37:23.000 He squeezed her.

00:37:23.000 She said he grabbed a handful of flesh, which is a weird thing to say.

00:37:27.000 But he squeezed her at least twice, is her quote.

00:37:31.000 At least twice.

00:37:32.000 He had his hand on her waist.

00:37:35.000 And she said, I don't even let my husband touch me that way in public because it demeans me as a professional woman. 0.99

00:37:40.000 Are you fucking kidding me? 0.97

00:37:43.000 I'd like to interview her husband. 1.00

00:37:45.000 You're not allowed to put your arm around your wife in public, dude.

00:37:48.000 And squeeze her?

00:37:48.000 I mean, my wife would love to be squeezed.

00:37:52.000 The more the merrier.

00:37:53.000 The idea of it is very strange because that one doesn't make sense.

00:37:57.000 The Leanne Tweeden one was the only one that made sense.

00:37:59.000 There's a photo of him.

00:38:01.000 She's unconscious.

00:38:01.000 It's demeaning.

00:38:03.000 I get the whole thing.

00:38:03.000 He apologized for that, and rightly so.

00:38:05.000 And apparently he tried to kiss her. 0.96

00:38:07.000 But then the butt-grabbing is like, well, you definitely shouldn't be grabbing people's butts. 0.68

00:38:12.000 But I mean, how much of a big deal is it? 0.81

00:38:15.000 Have we stopped?

00:38:17.000 I mean, Chelsea Handler was on Bill Maher the other night, and she said, I have to believe these women because I'm a woman.

00:38:23.000 And I thought, well, wait a minute.

00:38:25.000 Does that mean I have to believe all men because I'm a man?

00:38:29.000 Isn't there any discussion about whether these things are true or not?

00:38:34.000 Anthony Acumia said this best.

00:38:35.000 He said, he put it on Twitter. 0.99

00:38:36.000 He goes, saying all women are liars is just as crazy as saying all women tell the truth. 1.00

00:38:42.000 Right. 0.95

00:38:43.000 Well, yeah, I think a lot, Franken, I don't know enough about Franken, but a lot of these people, it's like Weinstein, wasn't it like 40 people or something like that?

00:38:53.000 Like 40?

00:38:54.000 At least.

00:38:55.000 I think when it starts getting up in the- And also what he's accused of is totally different.

00:38:59.000 It's a different thing.

00:39:00.000 We're not talking about taking pictures with people where they like you, they want to take a picture with you and you grab their waist.

00:39:05.000 We're talking about, I mean, he's been accused of rape.

00:39:08.000 Yeah.

00:39:08.000 By more than one woman.

00:39:09.000 Like actual rape rape. 1.00

00:39:10.000 Not just like getting someone drunk and having sex with them, but like holding them down type rape. 0.99

00:39:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:39:16.000 There's a lot of crazy... 0.99

00:39:19.000 See, here's what's kind of fucked. 1.00

00:39:22.000 If prostitution was legal... 0.99

00:39:26.000 Would that exist?

00:39:28.000 Or is it a power thing?

00:39:30.000 Is it always a power thing? 0.76

00:39:31.000 Does he want to have sex with the star of his films?

00:39:36.000 I think it's more a question of if there weren't so many teenage boys who never got laid... 0.77

00:39:48.000 I'm just looking at it objectively. 0.98

00:40:06.000 I'm going to die a virgin. 0.97

00:40:08.000 That's how one begins, actually. 0.99

00:40:10.000 There's this massive amount of frustration that builds up because biologically most boys are horny little monsters at 13 or 14. They're not getting laid. 0.79

00:40:23.000 And so it gets to the point, so there may be five, six years between when a boy is totally obsessed with not just sex, but with being acceptable to women, being loved by women, being touched, being caressed,

00:40:39.000 and they can't think about anything else, and they're not getting it.

00:40:44.000 And so I think a lot of boys grow up with extreme frustration that either curdles into misogyny, Where you get these, like, mass killers.

00:40:53.000 Who do they kill?

00:40:54.000 Hookers. 0.99

00:40:55.000 Right?

00:40:56.000 Sexually liberated, free women, in their perspective. 0.64

00:40:59.000 And you get guys that just chase money their whole lives because they think the money and the power is going to get them those women. 1.00

00:41:05.000 And so when they get to that place and they're still fucking disgusting, And they sense that the women don't even want to fuck them, or they only fuck them because they're going to get something from them. 1.00

00:41:15.000 Then there's all this self-hatred and shame. 1.00

00:41:18.000 I think that's what's being expressed here.

00:41:20.000 So I think it is power, and I do think that it's an expression or a manifestation of a deeply sex-negative pathological culture.

00:41:29.000 But conversely, how do you feel about women that weren't attractive in high school?

00:41:33.000 How come they don't lash out in the same way?

00:41:36.000 Well, one, because women are much better at accepting their sexual situation. 1.00

00:41:43.000 You see women have accepted a lot of shit that men aren't able to accept for millennia. 0.99

00:41:48.000 That's partly biological and probably partly cultural. 0.99

00:41:52.000 But also because, I mean, women can have sex, even women who aren't particularly attractive, because the whole market is so skewed in the other direction. 0.99

00:42:05.000 Even women who aren't particularly attractive probably don't have much trouble getting laid in high school. 1.00

00:42:10.000 I don't think it's just that.

00:42:12.000 I think you're boiling it down to getting laid.

00:42:15.000 That's a reductionist thing.

00:42:16.000 Sure.

00:42:17.000 That's why I say touch and bonding.

00:42:19.000 Especially with women, though.

00:42:20.000 An unattractive woman who has a hard time finding a boyfriend, someone who loves her, someone who wants to be emotionally connected to her, that probably is just as painful to a woman as a guy who can't find, maybe more painful, than a guy who can't find sex partners. 0.94

00:42:34.000 In psychology, they say that men express these feelings through anger and women through depression and sadness.

00:42:42.000 So you probably don't see women lashing out and killing a bunch of dudes. 1.00

00:42:45.000 You see them being depressed and feeling like shit. 1.00

00:42:48.000 And when you do, they have high testosterone. 1.00

00:42:50.000 That's why.

00:42:50.000 High test women.

00:42:51.000 Another point to be made here is that people do say the thing.

00:42:57.000 Oh, well, people like Harvey Weinstein...

00:43:00.000 They wanted all this money to get laid. 1.00

00:43:03.000 But I do not think that's it.

00:43:05.000 I think what people like Harvey Weinstein probably enjoy is power. 0.98

00:43:10.000 It's not like, oh, I want to get fucking laid. 0.97

00:43:12.000 I'm going to become this massive. 0.99

00:43:13.000 It's like, I like to dominate.

00:43:15.000 I'm a dominating force.

00:43:17.000 That's what I am.

00:43:18.000 I enjoy having people around me who worship me.

00:43:24.000 And as part of that, I'm going to dominate my interns.

00:43:28.000 I'm going to dominate my employees.

00:43:29.000 And when I'm around women, I'm going to use my... 1.00

00:43:32.000 I'm going to fucking jerk off in house plants in front... 1.00

00:43:36.000 I mean, it's like, really... 1.00

00:43:37.000 Fuck the ficus. 1.00

00:43:38.000 But, you know, you got to really think about that. 1.00

00:43:41.000 It's like, I don't...

00:43:42.000 I know what you're saying.

00:43:43.000 Oh, poor Harvey Weinstein. 1.00

00:43:45.000 When he was fucking in front of the goddamn... 1.00

00:43:46.000 But that's not what he's saying. 1.00

00:43:47.000 Okay.

00:43:49.000 He's not getting touched enough.

00:43:53.000 There's a lot of frustration that's inherently connected to this suppressive sexual culture that we find ourselves embroiled in that we don't necessarily agree with. 1.00

00:44:02.000 Why are priests fucking little boys? 1.00

00:44:05.000 Because one, that's the only access they have. 1.00

00:44:08.000 Two, they're less likely to tell on them.

00:44:09.000 And three, they're self-hatred.

00:44:11.000 And it's probably recidivism. 0.91

00:44:13.000 I like to do a little thought experiment, which is I like to imagine Where my head's got to be if I jerk off into a house plant in front of somebody?

00:44:23.000 If you've tried that, just think about it.

00:44:26.000 What's going on with you?

00:44:28.000 Christmas tree.

00:44:29.000 Yeah, it might be like you're just celebrating.

00:44:32.000 Okay!

00:44:33.000 It's like New Year's Eve!

00:44:36.000 Isn't that what you do under mistletoe?

00:44:38.000 He doesn't want to clean up. 0.93

00:44:39.000 If you jerk off in the plant, the plant's going to absorb it, and he's just leaving his DNA all over the place. 0.90

00:44:43.000 It's probably good for the plant, too. 0.97

00:44:45.000 I bet it is.

00:44:45.000 It's terrible for plants.

00:44:47.000 Not my jizz. 1.00

00:44:47.000 Fucking Weinstein jizz. 1.00

00:44:49.000 My jizz is great for plants, bro. 1.00

00:44:52.000 I wonder where that plant is.

00:44:54.000 That plant's alive.

00:44:55.000 It's running for Senate.

00:44:56.000 Alpha Cum.

00:44:57.000 Coming soon from Onnit.com. 0.99

00:45:01.000 Joe cum. 0.99

00:45:02.000 You could probably sell your cum, right? 1.00

00:45:04.000 I don't want anybody having my cum. 0.99

00:45:06.000 But don't you think that it's all these things? 0.97

00:45:09.000 I think it's certainly the sex, it's not just a power thing.

00:45:14.000 Because he's not just exercising power, he's exercising power in a sexual way.

00:45:19.000 It's not just power.

00:45:20.000 I think it's the game, like we were talking about corporations and even police officers and guys like Jeff Sessions who have the game to arrest people.

00:45:28.000 That is the game they play.

00:45:29.000 They get really good at it.

00:45:30.000 That's what the game is. 1.00

00:45:31.000 The game with a guy like him is, I can't believe I get to fuck, what's her name? 1.00

00:45:36.000 You know, name famous actress. 1.00

00:45:38.000 And that famous actress is on her stomach and you're mouthfucking her. 1.00

00:45:43.000 Like, whoa, really? 0.99

00:45:44.000 Yeah.

00:45:44.000 Is this really happening?

00:45:45.000 And why is it really happening? 0.98

00:45:46.000 It's happening because you're going to let her be Catwoman or whatever the fuck the movie is, right? 1.00

00:45:50.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:45:50.000 There's some nuttiness to it. 0.99

00:45:53.000 There's some craziness.

00:45:54.000 There's some forbidden thing to it.

00:45:56.000 There's a bunch of things in play.

00:45:59.000 Power's one of the dynamics.

00:46:00.000 It's just the most foul one.

00:46:02.000 All the other ones, like the sexual frustration and stuff, doesn't seem so gross.

00:46:06.000 It's like when you're imposing your will on someone, then it's unquestionably an expression of power. 0.83

00:46:13.000 Once you are raping, once you're coercing, once you're imposing your will, and you're saying, I'm going to take away your career if you don't let me have sexual intercourse with you, well then it's a 100% power thing. 0.80

00:46:25.000 How did it get there? 0.97

00:46:26.000 There's a lot of things, and I think you've got...

00:46:29.000 Got a lot of factors.

00:46:31.000 I guess I haven't exercised sufficient power in my life to know the answer to this question, but does dominance feel good directly, or is it something that comes to you indirectly?

00:46:44.000 In other words, does it...

00:46:46.000 Feel good to dominate someone else, or only because then you can get something that you want from them?

00:46:52.000 I think it's something that you want from them, and I think there's also...

00:46:55.000 I think human beings are connected to each other in an undeniable way, and I think that if you're exercising power over someone, like say if you...

00:47:05.000 I hate to paint this scenario, but just say if you raped someone, you sexually attracted someone, you're alone with you, and you raped them, and if you have any conscience at all, If you, you know, they're screaming no and you're still having sex with them and you come and then after you have to think about it, like you would be horrified at yourself.

00:47:22.000 The level of self-hatred would be almost unimaginable. 0.99

00:47:26.000 You've imposed yourself and your twisted sickness.

00:47:31.000 And in the heart of that moment...

00:47:34.000 You know, the power dynamic, trying to impose the power, it can't possibly feel good.

00:47:41.000 I think it's just a thing.

00:47:42.000 I think it's just almost like a creepy leftover reptilian instinct that creatures have.

00:47:52.000 Because if you look at rape in nature, and this is not to exonerate rapists, this is not to normalize rape, but it's insanely common in the animal kingdom.

00:48:02.000 Right?

00:48:02.000 It's uncommon in ducks.

00:48:05.000 It's uncommon in all sorts of different animals.

00:48:07.000 Orangutans.

00:48:08.000 Dolphins.

00:48:09.000 Yeah.

00:48:09.000 Orangutans.

00:48:10.000 Ruthless.

00:48:10.000 And it's tough because a lot of primatologists are women.

00:48:14.000 And they learn the hard way, from what I've heard, that you always wear jeans if you're working with orangutans.

00:48:20.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:48:20.000 Oh, my God.

00:48:23.000 That's awful.

00:48:24.000 But this thing, we're supposed to be evolved past that.

00:48:27.000 And for the most part, by far and above, we are.

00:48:30.000 If you think about all these sexual harassment interactions, now imagine if they were chimps. 0.99

00:48:37.000 I mean, imagine if they were orangutans. 0.98

00:48:40.000 Rape is the common thing. 1.00

00:48:42.000 You could never have a bunch of orangutans in some sort of a building.

00:48:45.000 And people would go, well, of course.

00:48:46.000 We're better than orangutans.

00:48:48.000 We are. 0.98

00:48:48.000 That's why we don't rape as much. 0.98

00:48:50.000 But it is problematic to use the word rape when you're talking about animals because part of it is the way you described it that there's the knowledge on some level that this female is totally not into what's happening right now.

00:49:03.000 Whereas presumably an orangutan doesn't have that knowledge.

00:49:07.000 And also there are animals where the female is triggered to ovulate by aggressive male behavior that we might call raping.

00:49:15.000 Like rabbits, you bite the back of their neck and that's what makes the female ovulate. 1.00

00:49:19.000 Well, there's a lot of weird stuff when it comes to what is sexually attractive to certain women and what arouses them. 0.99

00:49:28.000 Rape fantasies is the number one. 0.99

00:49:30.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:49:30.000 A lot of women like to be choked. 0.99

00:49:33.000 What's happening there?

00:49:34.000 Why do you like to be choked?

00:49:35.000 Why do you like to get your arms pinned behind your back?

00:49:38.000 And why do you like to fight back?

00:49:40.000 You actually like it?

00:49:41.000 You want me to do that?

00:49:42.000 You want me to hold both your wrists?

00:49:44.000 Okay, you're sure.

00:49:45.000 Like, there's a lot of tying up going on out there.

00:49:48.000 Really?

00:49:48.000 Yeah, a lot of people are...

00:49:50.000 Really?

00:49:51.000 Duncan's like, man, this is crazy!

00:49:54.000 Like, this is all very, very strange stuff.

00:49:56.000 I saw the dungeon in your apartment, too.

00:49:57.000 Yeah, but here's the thing.

00:49:58.000 When it comes to, like, S&M or bondage, I think one of the...

00:50:04.000 Big misconceptions when it comes to that, is that if you're being tied up or if you're tying somebody up, that there's anger happening in that situation.

00:50:13.000 It's one of the most sweet, loving, trusting things that you can do.

00:50:18.000 Respectful.

00:50:20.000 Respectful, he's like selling it.

00:50:21.000 It is.

00:50:22.000 No, it is.

00:50:23.000 I've spent a lot of time in dungeons, actually.

00:50:28.000 It is!

00:50:29.000 It's a healing, sweet, beautiful thing. 0.94

00:50:32.000 There's a difference between that and rough sex. 0.99

00:50:34.000 Huge! 0.99

00:50:35.000 Huge difference.

00:50:36.000 It's very ritual.

00:50:37.000 I mean, I personally find it not...

00:50:40.000 It doesn't turn me on at all, largely because it's so choreographed.

00:50:45.000 You know, there's all the outfits and this, and now we're going to do that.

00:50:49.000 There's a lot of set-ups.

00:50:51.000 But, I mean, I have been in those environments, and as Duncan says, it's like the opposite of out of control.

00:50:58.000 It's totally in control.

00:51:00.000 Totally worked out.

00:51:01.000 It's the difference between a gun range and a war.

00:51:04.000 Right.

00:51:05.000 That's such a good way to put it!

00:51:07.000 That's such a good way to put it, dude!

00:51:09.000 That's so funny.

00:51:10.000 Totally different.

00:51:12.000 Yeah.

00:51:13.000 Well, the last time I was at a gun range, I ended up bleeding from the head.

00:51:16.000 What happened?

00:51:17.000 I was with my buddy, Justin, and we were shooting this up in Washington State.

00:51:21.000 I was shooting his, I don't remember, what, a.30-30 or something.

00:51:25.000 You got scoped?

00:51:28.000 He had this big elk gun that he was trying to scope in, and he was like, man, you're shooting really well.

00:51:33.000 Can you just take a few shots on this and see if you're...

00:51:36.000 And I just grabbed it and didn't think that it was a totally different gun. 0.68

00:51:41.000 And I just went, boom, and the scope went right into my forehead.

00:51:45.000 All these macho dudes. 1.00

00:51:47.000 I'm exposed as the idiot. 1.00

00:51:50.000 Hey, I think the gun range we went to shoot at burnt down. 1.00

00:51:53.000 Did you hear about that?

00:51:54.000 No.

00:51:54.000 I would imagine it did.

00:51:56.000 I would imagine it did.

00:51:56.000 Just now?

00:51:57.000 Well, recently, yeah.

00:51:59.000 Oh, wow.

00:51:59.000 There was definitely fires in that area.

00:52:01.000 I mean, the fires are so out of control.

00:52:04.000 Especially that out towards Santa Barbara and Ventura.

00:52:07.000 Yeah, that's nuts.

00:52:08.000 That's the worst.

00:52:09.000 You know what I keep thinking? 0.99

00:52:10.000 What if the fucking big one hits? 1.00

00:52:12.000 Shit's going to catch on fire when the big one hits and all the roads are going to be fucked up. 1.00

00:52:17.000 The infrastructure is going to be messed up. 1.00

00:52:20.000 This is like without a massive earthquake. 0.99

00:52:23.000 What happens if the fucking big one hit right now? 0.99

00:52:27.000 All the water lines are broken. 0.99

00:52:30.000 Trucks can't get there.

00:52:32.000 It could be a giant issue.

00:52:33.000 Then you have toxic clouds and stuff too because all these warehouses Not only that, if the big one hits, it's entirely likely it's not just going to hit here, but it also hits in the ocean, in which case we get hit with a tsunami, which case all that super expensive real estate in Malibu just gets wiped away.

00:52:51.000 I'm good up in Topanga, though.

00:52:53.000 Yeah, probably.

00:52:54.000 I'll just come down and scavenge. 1.00

00:52:56.000 If you're not good up in Topanga, we're really fucked. 1.00

00:52:58.000 Yeah, we are fucked. 1.00

00:53:00.000 Yeah, you're like a canary in a coal mine. 1.00

00:53:02.000 That's me.

00:53:03.000 I'll repopulate the planet.

00:53:05.000 Leave it to me.

00:53:06.000 Dude, to get back to the topic you're talking about, the thing that's happening is people are realizing...

00:53:16.000 Stuff that nobody ever really wanted to talk about. 0.99

00:53:18.000 Shit's changing. 0.98

00:53:19.000 If you ever watch like Porky's or if you watch any of the movies from the 70s, like the makeout scenes, like the guys are like, come on, baby, come here, what are you doing? 0.99

00:53:29.000 They're like throwing themselves on.

00:53:31.000 They're doing things in movies.

00:53:33.000 That were just considered like, yeah, I guess that's how it's done.

00:53:37.000 They're forcing themselves.

00:53:38.000 There's scenes, I think, with Bill Murray, maybe, or scenes in the old movies with so many of them.

00:53:45.000 Pepe Le Pew.

00:53:46.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:53:47.000 Oh, he was a straight-up racist. 1.00

00:53:48.000 He was a rapist, 100%, right? 1.00

00:53:50.000 Yeah, see, when you're seeing this... 1.00

00:53:53.000 French. 0.99

00:53:54.000 Yeah, it's crazy when you go back and look and you realize, shit, man, what's happening is... 1.00

00:53:59.000 One of those movies from the 50s where the guy will just grab the woman and kiss her and smack them in the mouth. 0.99

00:54:05.000 Things are changing is what's happening.

00:54:08.000 And as things change, two things we need to figure out, number one, we have to admit, yeah, I get it, man. 0.99

00:54:17.000 For me, hanging out with you, doing the podcast with you, here's one thing I know, man, I'm pretty sure at least, you don't want to fuck me. 0.99

00:54:28.000 No, I don't. 0.99

00:54:29.000 Thank you for recognizing that.

00:54:32.000 How come he didn't look at me when he said that?

00:54:34.000 I was just totally left out of that part of the conversation.

00:54:37.000 You might do it for just a chapter in your next book.

00:54:39.000 It's research, Duncan.

00:54:42.000 What's happening with women is, because a lot of dudes, and I'm sorry if this is a shocking thing to say, a lot of dudes are in positions of power. 1.00

00:54:50.000 And what's happening with women is who want to be actors, whatever, who want to do stuff, when they're getting around these guys, They don't have that assurance. 1.00

00:55:01.000 They're probably thinking, this guy wants to fuck me. 1.00

00:55:07.000 And these are women who most guys want to fuck. 1.00

00:55:09.000 Especially if you're talking about Harvey Weinstein and these hot actresses. 1.00

00:55:13.000 The strange thing is, you have that, unquestionably.

00:55:18.000 Yeah.

00:55:18.000 And then you have women that want to have nothing to do with that part of the business.

00:55:24.000 They're not trying to be seductive.

00:55:27.000 They just want to work.

00:55:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:55:28.000 They want to act, and then they have to deal with all this bullshit. 1.00

00:55:31.000 That's it. 0.99

00:55:31.000 But then you've got women who sneak into that mix, and they're willing. 0.99

00:55:36.000 Not only are they willing, they're manipulative and they're seductive.

00:55:40.000 And they're trying to make their way up the ladder that way.

00:55:43.000 They exist.

00:55:43.000 It's a much smaller percentage, but they exist too.

00:55:46.000 Well, sure.

00:55:47.000 Their whole society is set up to make women think that the only thing they have to trade is their sexuality.

00:55:53.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with these women agreeing to do a film with, not even Harvey Weinstein, anyone. 1.00

00:56:00.000 And then he says, I'll give you more parts if you fuck me. 1.00

00:56:03.000 And the girl wants to do it and she does it. 1.00

00:56:06.000 I think it's gross, but it's not gross if it's not gross to her.

00:56:10.000 Do you know what I'm saying?

00:56:11.000 Right.

00:56:11.000 It's a weird thing.

00:56:13.000 It's only gross if it's gross...

00:56:15.000 Look, it's gross being around a guy like Harvey Weinstein, right? 0.98

00:56:19.000 If he's yelling at people and he's fat and sweating all over the place. 0.99

00:56:22.000 It's gross. 0.96

00:56:23.000 Yeah.

00:56:23.000 Unless it's not gross.

00:56:25.000 Unless you like that kind of guy.

00:56:27.000 Right.

00:56:27.000 Like bears.

00:56:28.000 Guys are into bears.

00:56:29.000 You might like that.

00:56:31.000 Yeah, right. 0.99

00:56:32.000 So at what point are we taking away women's agency when we say that you shouldn't be able to give a guy a blowjob and get a part in a movie? 1.00

00:56:41.000 It's weird, right? 0.98

00:56:42.000 It's like you should be able to pay for things, but you shouldn't be able to pay for things with sex.

00:56:49.000 Why not?

00:56:50.000 Right.

00:56:50.000 That's George Carlin's things.

00:56:52.000 You can buy things, and you can have sex, but you can't buy sex. 0.98

00:56:55.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:56:55.000 Well, it's strange. 0.98

00:56:57.000 It's strange, because I don't think it's necessarily illegal in a barter sense.

00:57:03.000 Right.

00:57:04.000 Dinner.

00:57:04.000 Yeah.

00:57:05.000 Like, say if you had some woman, and she wanted to paint your house. 0.97

00:57:12.000 This is a bad example.

00:57:14.000 Oh, you wanted to paint her house.

00:57:16.000 How about this?

00:57:16.000 She wants you to paint that?

00:57:17.000 Or help her move. 1.00

00:57:18.000 She says, I'm not going to pay you, but I will suck your dick. 1.00

00:57:20.000 And you're like, okay. 1.00

00:57:23.000 That's a deal.

00:57:24.000 That seems like a good deal.

00:57:25.000 You want to do that? 1.00

00:57:26.000 And she's like, yeah, I want to suck your dick. 1.00

00:57:27.000 But I also want you to paint my house. 1.00

00:57:30.000 I mean, look, some girl, it depends on who it is. 1.00

00:57:32.000 If it's Angelina Jolie and she's 25, you'd be out there with a fucking roller. 1.00

00:57:37.000 Painting the Taj Mahal! 0.99

00:57:39.000 It's going to take a long time to finish, though.

00:57:42.000 If you're both into it, and again, I hate that we have to be super clear about this, but I'm not exonerating rape or sexual harassment or predatory behavior.

00:57:50.000 What I am saying is we have a weird...

00:57:54.000 It's weird that we separate commerce from intimacy when it comes to sex.

00:57:58.000 And it's the only type of intimacy.

00:58:00.000 You can get massaged in your underwear.

00:58:02.000 I do it all the time.

00:58:03.000 Where women will be talking to me about, you know, well, my kid's going to school at this place and he really likes wrestling.

00:58:09.000 But the problem is they're just continuing the program.

00:58:12.000 And while they're doing that, she's digging her elbow in my back. 1.00

00:58:14.000 I'm in pain, but I'm in my underwear, alone in a room with this lady, and I'm having a nice conversation with her while she's being intimate with me. 0.99

00:58:21.000 I mean, that's essentially what's going on.

00:58:23.000 There's oil involved, they're massaging your neck, and it feels really good.

00:58:27.000 As long as you don't shoot any fluid out of your body.

00:58:30.000 We allow that.

00:58:31.000 Do you ever get a witty when you're getting a massage?

00:58:33.000 It definitely moves.

00:58:35.000 I try to stay calm and zen though.

00:58:36.000 I put myself in a peaceful place. 0.99

00:58:39.000 The fucking worst. 1.00

00:58:39.000 When your dick starts getting harder and you're getting a platonic massage and you're preparing your apology. 1.00

00:58:46.000 Yeah, but it's because being touched, we're all so touched, starved, you know, in this society, that I think people have a hard time distinguishing between pleasant touch and eroticism, or between good sex and love. 0.99

00:59:02.000 You know, we mix it all together because we're so unfamiliar with it.

00:59:06.000 I think there's also, there would be levels to prostitution, too, right?

00:59:10.000 Like, what would be...

00:59:12.000 Go ahead, buddy.

00:59:13.000 You don't have to tell us. 0.97

00:59:17.000 What would be the problem with someone who, say, was a woman who just did not have a desire to have a family, liked her freedom, didn't want to work a regular job, but she likes having sex with men that she likes. 0.97

00:59:28.000 So she picks a few men. 1.00

00:59:29.000 Maybe she's got a small roster of, like, ten guys who fuck her and they rotate. 1.00

00:59:35.000 No, you can't do Tuesday. 0.99

00:59:36.000 Mike's doing Tuesday.

00:59:37.000 Okay, Wednesday?

00:59:39.000 Yeah, Wednesday at work.

00:59:40.000 This is happening.

00:59:41.000 There's a lot of this.

00:59:42.000 I just was visiting with a friend of mine who does this.

00:59:45.000 Really?

00:59:45.000 Yeah, there's a website.

00:59:47.000 I forget what it's called.

00:59:48.000 It's not Friends with Benefits, but they're websites, and there's a whole name for these sugar daddies and sugar daddy sites, where the guys know.

00:59:58.000 It's like, okay, look, we're going to...

00:59:59.000 And the way she described it was it's no set price. 0.99

01:00:02.000 It's not like a thousand bucks to fuck me or whatever. 0.99

01:00:05.000 It's like, we get together. 0.99

01:00:07.000 If I like you, we have dinner, whatever.

01:00:09.000 And yeah, and then you want to get together again next weekend?

01:00:11.000 Okay, you want to take me to Malibu?

01:00:13.000 Okay, we'll go to Malibu.

01:00:15.000 And then is money showing up in my account or not?

01:00:18.000 Yeah.

01:00:19.000 And if it's not, then I'm deciding, do I want to keep seeing this dude for nothing?

01:00:23.000 You know, or it was $150, you know?

01:00:27.000 And then it's like, and she's like, different guys, depending how much money they have, they give her more or less.

01:00:32.000 Mm-hmm.

01:00:32.000 So she can just decide at any time if she wants to continue the relationship.

01:00:36.000 And she doesn't consider herself a prostitute.

01:00:39.000 And you go to someplace like Thailand, it's...

01:00:42.000 I met this dude in Nepal years ago who explained to me the whole deal.

01:00:47.000 I've spent a lot of time in Thailand, but I've never been able to wrap my head around...

01:00:51.000 And I was horny as hell, but I couldn't wrap my head around the thing, how it worked. 0.95

01:00:56.000 Because, you know, getting back to your rape thing, to me the most... 0.98

01:01:03.000 Right. 0.53

01:01:05.000 Right.

01:01:08.000 Right.

01:01:17.000 She's acting like she wants to do this.

01:01:20.000 Anyway, this guy explained to me.

01:01:21.000 He goes to Thailand.

01:01:23.000 There's a woman he knows there.

01:01:25.000 If she's not around, she'll hook him up with a friend of hers.

01:01:27.000 But basically, he'll travel with her for a month or two.

01:01:31.000 Take her all over Thailand. 0.61

01:01:33.000 She translates.

01:01:34.000 She gets them better deals on rooms and food and everything. 1.00

01:01:38.000 She knows what to order.

01:01:39.000 And Thailand's very cool about prostitution. 0.94

01:01:42.000 It's Buddhist.

01:01:42.000 It doesn't have this anti-sex thing that we have.

01:01:46.000 So...

01:01:46.000 It's no big deal, right, as far as the Thai people are concerned.

01:01:50.000 And at some point on that trip, they'll go to the village where she grew up, and they'll meet her family, and he'll be like, yeah, your mother's refrigerator's looking kind of old.

01:02:01.000 Does she need a new refrigerator? 1.00

01:02:03.000 Oh, that would be great.

01:02:04.000 And they go buy a refrigerator and give it to the mother, and the mother's super happy, and that's it.

01:02:10.000 There's no money changing hands.

01:02:12.000 It's a gift.

01:02:13.000 So it's very much like what you're describing.

01:02:16.000 And sex, it's not for the sex.

01:02:18.000 There's sex, there's friendship, there's translation, there's saving me money and telling me the best places to go.

01:02:24.000 It's like a guide.

01:02:26.000 And sex is just part of that.

01:02:28.000 It's hard to conceive from our cultural perspective.

01:02:34.000 That it actually works that way.

01:02:56.000 That can happen on a Tinder date.

01:02:58.000 Yeah.

01:02:58.000 I think we're operating under the echoes of the Puritans.

01:03:03.000 And I think as grown adults, deep into our...

01:03:08.000 I mean, I'm 50 now.

01:03:09.000 How old are you?

01:03:10.000 55. The idea that we're still under...

01:03:14.000 43. Imagine being under the whims of some people who died, you know, hundreds of years ago, had complete ignorance to human psychology, to physiology, to sexual urges, to genetics.

01:03:28.000 What they knew then is literally flavoring the way we behave today.

01:03:32.000 And it's so insanely suppressive.

01:03:34.000 That's a good point.

01:03:35.000 I also have a point about all this sexual harassment stuff that's uncomfortable.

01:03:41.000 And this is...

01:03:44.000 Those environments become your world.

01:03:47.000 If you are in an office eight hours a day, that is most of your day.

01:03:51.000 Most of your waking, conscious day, you're spending in this one area and people, they start behaving like that's the world.

01:04:01.000 And you start becoming sexually attracted to the people that are in your world.

01:04:05.000 And some people reciprocate and some do not.

01:04:07.000 Some people are frustrated and some are not.

01:04:10.000 And some people are gross and they're in a position of power in that weird world.

01:04:14.000 And I think maybe that guy wouldn't sexually harass in the big world, but in this little world where everything's like jammed in together and you have these clearly defined things, like this guy's got a plaque on his desk that says, the boss, right?

01:04:27.000 And you've got to come in, he's got the desk, come on, shut the door, shut the door.

01:04:30.000 Or if you're like Matt Lauer, you've got a button where you lock the door, click. 1.00

01:04:33.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:04:34.000 Come on inside. 1.00

01:04:34.000 We've got to discuss. 1.00

01:04:35.000 We've got to review your progress this month.

01:04:37.000 Click.

01:04:38.000 This is the world.

01:04:40.000 I mean, I'm not exonerating Matt Lauer.

01:04:42.000 Can't believe I have to say this again.

01:04:43.000 But if you're in that guy's world, and I don't even know what he did.

01:04:46.000 I didn't pay attention.

01:04:48.000 I met him once.

01:04:48.000 He was quite a gentleman.

01:04:51.000 But he's got to be working 10, 12 hours a day. 1.00

01:04:54.000 You're doing the fucking Today Show. 1.00

01:04:56.000 It's insanely competitive. 1.00

01:04:57.000 That morning TV thing, you have to be on the ball.

01:05:00.000 You have meetings. 1.00

01:05:01.000 You have fucking stuff to review. 0.99

01:05:03.000 You have guests that are going to review your performance and your conversations with people. 1.00

01:05:08.000 Well, Matt, you know, whenever you start talking about sex, people drop off.

01:05:11.000 Look, we've got the numbers.

01:05:12.000 We've got the charts in.

01:05:13.000 And the direct relation to what you were saying earlier is what I read about Matt Lauer was that he couldn't have sex with just normal people because he's famous and he'd get in trouble.

01:05:23.000 He's married.

01:05:24.000 So he had to maintain the facade of that.

01:05:27.000 And he couldn't have sex with other famous people because that would come out into the press. 0.58

01:05:31.000 So he had to have sex with people who weren't famous, who weren't just normal people, and that left the office. 0.80

01:05:36.000 That was it. 1.00

01:05:37.000 So, imagine if we lived in a world where we said, who gives a shit if Matt Lauer's fucking someone other than his wife? 1.00

01:05:42.000 That's between them. 0.99

01:05:43.000 We lived in the 60s again.

01:05:46.000 I don't know that that was the 60s.

01:05:47.000 That's right, back when Dustin Hoffman was grabbing titties.

01:05:50.000 Dude, have you guys ever seen... 1.00

01:05:52.000 By the way, last word on this for me anyway, the people who are acting shocked and outraged around Matt Lauer and Charlie Rose are full of shit. 0.98

01:06:02.000 That's what kills me, the hypocrisy of the people who have been working with them for years and going, I had no idea. 0.99

01:06:09.000 I heard about Charlie Rose being a fucking creep 15 years ago, and I don't even work in media, you know? 0.99

01:06:15.000 Right. 0.99

01:06:15.000 It's like the Bill Cosby thing. 0.99

01:06:17.000 The Bill Cosby thing was an open secret.

01:06:20.000 This is like one of the grossest things you can witness in a workplace. 1.00

01:06:25.000 It's when the boss starts giving fucking neck rubs. 1.00

01:06:29.000 You ever seen that? 1.00

01:06:30.000 A neck rubbing boss. 1.00

01:06:32.000 Dude, it is so fucking creepy to watch a big fat fucking boss sidling up behind some married secretary. 1.00

01:06:43.000 Just, oh, how you doing today, Carol? 1.00

01:06:46.000 Rubbing her neck.

01:06:47.000 You could see the look on her face.

01:06:49.000 Frozen.

01:06:50.000 She's got kids. 1.00

01:06:51.000 If she says to him, hey, do you mind?

01:06:55.000 I don't really want you to touch me right now.

01:06:57.000 He's going to be like, oh, I'm sorry.

01:06:59.000 But then, she doesn't know.

01:07:02.000 Down the line, down the line, when he's doing employer reviews, and he's thinking, you know what? 0.99

01:07:06.000 Remember that fucking time? 0.99

01:07:07.000 I just wanted to rub her back, man. 0.99

01:07:09.000 But I'm not rubbing any of the dudes' backs in the office. 1.00

01:07:13.000 Now that, man, that is fucked up. 0.99

01:07:16.000 That is one of the sleaziest, slimiest things. 0.99

01:07:19.000 And to imagine, when you're the boss, To imagine that these bosses, they're oblivious.

01:07:25.000 They just don't know.

01:07:26.000 They just want to give neck rubs. 0.99

01:07:27.000 They're not aware.

01:07:28.000 Like, come on.

01:07:29.000 They can feel. 1.00

01:07:31.000 As he's rubbing their back, if you can't feel, they're fucking atoms trying to escape your sweaty goddamn fucking male dominator. 0.99

01:07:41.000 How many guys become friends with women, air tag friends, just so they just creep in closer, almost like you're stalking big game and you want to just move real close, just real slow. 0.99

01:07:54.000 That's what they're doing.

01:07:55.000 One of the classics.

01:07:56.000 That's how I hunt elk.

01:07:58.000 I walk real slow.

01:07:59.000 Give it a neck rub. 0.72

01:08:00.000 I don't give any neck rubs, but I try not to make my intentions known.

01:08:04.000 That is what's happening in these environments.

01:08:07.000 I think when people work in offices together, they get attracted to each other. 0.92

01:08:12.000 Whitney Cummings has a fucking hilarious bit about it. 1.00

01:08:14.000 I won't do it justice. 0.95

01:08:16.000 I'm not going to say it, but she talks about working in an office because she works on Roseanne.

01:08:21.000 She's on the staff.

01:08:24.000 She's in an office all the time. 1.00

01:08:26.000 This is what people do.

01:08:28.000 It's this weird environment. 0.99

01:08:30.000 And office romances are fucking... 1.00

01:08:32.000 They're so common. 0.99

01:08:35.000 Sure.

01:08:35.000 They're so common.

01:08:36.000 Put people together, they're going to be attracted. 0.99

01:08:39.000 And if you're married to some guy, and he's the big boss, and says that on his brass plate, the big boss, and the big boss has a secretary with a big ass and big tits, and she's friendly, and he's alone with her all day, all day, all day, 1.00

01:08:55.000 every day... 1.00

01:08:55.000 Every week. 1.00

01:08:57.000 And she's calling at home because she's on top of the appointments.

01:09:01.000 And she's made his plane.

01:09:03.000 Oh, I have Mike's flight arrangements.

01:09:05.000 I just wanted to call her. 1.00

01:09:06.000 And the wife has to listen to this bitch. 1.00

01:09:09.000 Hanging out with her fucking husband all day. 1.00

01:09:11.000 Slowly taking her power away. 1.00

01:09:14.000 Sucking away her influence.

01:09:15.000 Until one day he can't take it anymore. 1.00

01:09:17.000 And he's like, you know, just fucking... 0.99

01:09:19.000 Things at home. 0.99

01:09:20.000 If Carol was like you...

01:09:22.000 Carol doesn't understand me. 1.00

01:09:24.000 Carol's just such a bitch to me sometimes. 1.00

01:09:26.000 It's crazy because you give her so much. 1.00

01:09:28.000 You provide her so much.

01:09:31.000 She's lucky.

01:09:31.000 She doesn't know me.

01:09:32.000 Any woman would want to be in Carol's place. 1.00

01:09:34.000 You know me.

01:09:35.000 You work with me.

01:09:37.000 Carol doesn't understand me.

01:09:38.000 Yeah.

01:09:39.000 Plus, you've got the sexual novelty kicking in, right?

01:09:42.000 Where he's been banging Carol for 15 years.

01:09:44.000 They got kids, they got a mortgage, they got stress. 1.00

01:09:47.000 Plus, Denise has a big ass. 1.00

01:09:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:09:49.000 Denise? 0.68

01:09:50.000 That's her name? 0.70

01:09:51.000 Denise.

01:09:52.000 Denise with her ruby red lipstick and her long nails. 1.00

01:09:56.000 Well, it's fucking... 1.00

01:09:57.000 The whole thing is just like... 1.00

01:09:59.000 Office fucking and all that. 0.99

01:10:01.000 The whole thing is kind of unsavory. 0.99

01:10:05.000 And yeah, for sure, office romances, I hope they do happen. 0.98

01:10:08.000 I hope everyone in offices is happily fucking all day long. 0.99

01:10:12.000 That's glory. 0.99

01:10:12.000 But man, when you think about... 0.99

01:10:15.000 Not getting much work done. 0.99

01:10:16.000 When you think about fucking being Denise, right? 0.99

01:10:19.000 Right. 0.99

01:10:19.000 And who's this dude's name? 0.99

01:10:21.000 Mike?

01:10:21.000 Do we call him Mike?

01:10:22.000 Maury?

01:10:22.000 Mike, Denise, and Carol.

01:10:24.000 Think about when you're Denise, and you got this job, and there's Mike, and Mike's a fucking asshole, man. 1.00

01:10:32.000 Mike is not- you're not attracted- It's a different story, though. 1.00

01:10:35.000 Yeah, I know.

01:10:36.000 I thought Mike just had a lot of responsibility.

01:10:38.000 I thought Mike's a big, burly guy who maybe eats a little too much and drinks a little too much.

01:10:42.000 It's like a trucking company or sanitation or something.

01:10:45.000 A lot of work responsibilities.

01:10:47.000 No, man. 1.00

01:10:47.000 Mike smells like fucking onions. 1.00

01:10:49.000 His farts are just fucking hell. 1.00

01:10:53.000 But you should see Denise's ex-husband, man. 1.00

01:10:56.000 Denise has a kid. 1.00

01:10:58.000 Denise has a kid with a guy who's a real piece of shit. 1.00

01:11:00.000 He's got tattoos on his neck. 1.00

01:11:02.000 I'm saying what's happening right now, right now what's happening is there's been a lot of fucking slimy massages that have been going on. 0.97

01:11:09.000 I'm going to guess for about 5,000 years there's been a lot of... 0.98

01:11:14.000 More than that.

01:11:15.000 Maybe like, what, 20,000 years of slimy massages? 0.99

01:11:18.000 It's been building up like the fucking Yellowstone super caldera and in the fucking like epigenetic DNA of women there is probably somewhere encoded in there just millennia of creepy fucking massages that don't stop with the fucking massage depending on what time period you're in you know and so I think that what we're feeling right now is the result of generations of Creepy fucking massages and much much worse 1.00

01:11:49.000 happening and women are like fuck this this fucking sucks We're sick of it. 1.00

01:11:54.000 We're fucking sick of your creepy massages and that's what it is and some women I mean imagine man I've never there's one time and At a blockbuster video. 1.00

01:12:03.000 I used to work at a blockbuster video. 1.00

01:12:04.000 And my boss was this, like, just a sleazy fucking, like, just a slimy fucking gay dude. 1.00

01:12:11.000 I didn't like him. 1.00

01:12:12.000 He made us clean the videotapes when they didn't need to be clean.

01:12:15.000 It's like, come on, man, these tapes are clean. 0.99

01:12:17.000 Spraying fucking videotapes down. 0.98

01:12:19.000 I remember late at night, there's like the area where the cash register is. 0.99

01:12:25.000 It's this closed off cubicle place. 0.99

01:12:27.000 I'm down on my fucking knees, man, having to get something from underneath there. 0.99

01:12:32.000 And this dude hops up on the fucking counter, and he stretches his legs out in front of me. 1.00

01:12:38.000 He spread-eagles his fucking legs out, blockbuster khaki pants on, curling up. 1.00

01:12:45.000 You can see the outline of his fucking boss balls in there. 1.00

01:12:49.000 And he's like... 1.00

01:12:53.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:12:56.000 There's nothing more unappealing than boss balls accentuated by khaki. 1.00

01:13:02.000 And you're looking up there, and he's looking down at you. 0.99

01:13:05.000 The power has been accentuated.

01:13:07.000 He's looking down at you, and he's just saying, you did a good job today.

01:13:11.000 You did a good job today, Duncan.

01:13:13.000 And I'm thinking, this is truly... 0.95

01:13:17.000 Gotta be one of the circles of fucking hell right now, because like, this dude is hitting on me right now. 0.99

01:13:23.000 I'm getting paid minimum fucking- He was hitting on you for sure? 1.00

01:13:26.000 Dude, his legs are spread. 0.99

01:13:29.000 I don't know- He might have been just doing yoga.

01:13:30.000 Can I prove it?

01:13:31.000 Yeah, right.

01:13:32.000 I don't even think people were doing yoga in North Carolina at this time. 0.90

01:13:35.000 If he was a woman, you would assume that those actions would indicate that she would want sexual intercourse. 0.99

01:13:39.000 I'm saying there was a feeling.

01:13:41.000 Now whether I could prove it or whether it was just me or whatever- How old were you?

01:13:43.000 What?

01:13:44.000 Oh, 20s?

01:13:45.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:13:46.000 But there was a feeling that this sucks, man. 0.96

01:13:48.000 There's more going on here, right? 1.00

01:13:50.000 This sucks. 0.99

01:13:51.000 Is it a legal thing? 1.00

01:13:53.000 Is it even sexual harassment?

01:13:55.000 No! 1.00

01:13:55.000 But it sucks! 1.00

01:13:57.000 And it's like, it sucks, dude! 1.00

01:13:59.000 And that is what a lot of fucking women have been dealing with for a long time. 1.00

01:14:06.000 And they're pissed. 1.00

01:14:08.000 And they're rightfully fucking pissed. 0.99

01:14:11.000 Because it's like, who wants to be dominated like that? 0.99

01:14:13.000 If I'm getting dominated, I want to be paying for it.

01:14:17.000 You know what I mean?

01:14:17.000 I don't want to...

01:14:23.000 Yeah.

01:14:24.000 No, no doubt, man.

01:14:26.000 I really do think there's something to this idea that humans aren't meant to be in these small areas totally enclosed in together with each other all day.

01:14:36.000 I don't think we're designed for it.

01:14:37.000 I just don't.

01:14:38.000 I think that's an intimate environment.

01:14:39.000 As weird as that sounds, and this is not saying that men and women can't work together and be totally, you know, plutonic.

01:14:47.000 They absolutely can.

01:14:48.000 But it's It's a super unnatural environment to be in these cubicles, these small little boxed-in offices, working day in, day out with people, smelling them.

01:15:01.000 I think we should outlaw offices.

01:15:03.000 Yes!

01:15:04.000 Start there. 0.99

01:15:05.000 How do we get shit done? 0.99

01:15:07.000 Working at home. 0.99

01:15:08.000 Anarchists.

01:15:08.000 Working at home.

01:15:09.000 Anarchists over here. 1.00

01:15:10.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:15:11.000 We need the state, man. 1.00

01:15:14.000 We need to be protected by the state, Chris!

01:15:16.000 The state, man!

01:15:18.000 Who's gonna fix the roads, man?!

01:15:22.000 We can fix the roads.

01:15:23.000 We'll figure it out.

01:15:24.000 Yeah.

01:15:24.000 We'll figure it out.

01:15:25.000 We were talking about something earlier that I wrote down because I wanted to remember it.

01:15:28.000 You were saying about Bob Dylan's version of All Along the Watchtower versus Jimi Hendrix.

01:15:34.000 Yeah.

01:15:34.000 I think Jimi Hendrix was amazing, but Bob Dylan's was his, and he wrote it.

01:15:40.000 And there was something cool about listening to those words, even if it wasn't as pleasing orally.

01:15:46.000 But if you go to Cat Power Official, you know who Cat Power is?

01:15:51.000 Yeah.

01:15:52.000 She has a video up today that she put on her Instagram, but she's got a great Instagram, and a video up today of Bob Dylan in, like, the 1960s in Paris getting all these really dumb questions thrown at him.

01:16:05.000 And he's doing, like, this press conference, and he's sitting there smoking cigarettes, and he looks like he's, like, 25 years old.

01:16:10.000 And they're yelling things at him and asking him questions, like, what?

01:16:15.000 See, did you find it?

01:16:17.000 Yeah, listen to this.

01:16:18.000 Listen, it's kind of crazy, man.

01:16:20.000 Do you agree that you should be the leader of singers with a message?

01:16:26.000 No, I don't know what that is.

01:16:28.000 Don't you think your first records were much better than the ones you do now?

01:16:32.000 He said that.

01:16:33.000 This one here, it's still here.

01:16:34.000 You?

01:16:35.000 That's going to be if he's American. 0.98

01:16:38.000 Are you American?

01:16:40.000 I'm French.

01:16:42.000 Well, that's why you probably think my first records are better.

01:16:50.000 It's because I feel like singing.

01:16:52.000 Because he wants to sing.

01:16:54.000 He likes to sing.

01:16:55.000 Is there anything special to express when you sing?

01:16:58.000 No.

01:17:01.000 This is a folk song.

01:17:07.000 This is a folk song.

01:17:08.000 I want to sing a folk song now.

01:17:16.000 How weird, huh?

01:17:17.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:17:18.000 How fucking weird. 0.99

01:17:19.000 French. 0.99

01:17:20.000 But how weird is that? 0.99

01:17:21.000 Like seeing this is essentially like the same dumb questions you'd get on Twitter. 0.98

01:17:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:17:27.000 If Bob Dylan had a Twitter account, he would get those exact same stupid questions. 0.99

01:17:33.000 Don't you think your older stuff's better than your stuff today? 0.98

01:17:38.000 Do you ever see that there's some performance artist who hired security for himself and a cameraman, and he walked through Times Square pretending to be super famous?

01:17:50.000 And they had other people at the periphery studying the crowd reaction to this staged, famous person walking through Times Square?

01:17:59.000 Oh, wow.

01:17:59.000 Have you ever seen this?

01:18:00.000 No.

01:18:01.000 I forget.

01:18:01.000 I don't know how to tell Jamie to look for it, but it's incredible.

01:18:05.000 They interview people who have seen him, and there's two huge black dudes and a guy with a camera, and he's walking around like he's fucking some superstar. 0.83

01:18:14.000 And they interview people. 0.99

01:18:17.000 Damn, Jamie, you are fast, dude. 0.98

01:18:19.000 So this is him by himself, normally. 0.99

01:18:21.000 I guess.

01:18:22.000 Oh, here's the security.

01:18:23.000 With a suit on and a security.

01:18:26.000 And I remember they asked people, like, what do you think of whatever name it is?

01:18:31.000 And one of the dudes was like, well, I really liked his early stuff.

01:18:34.000 But I think he's sold out.

01:18:37.000 And this was not one of the guys that was paying off.

01:18:39.000 This was another person on the street that was just making it up. 1.00

01:18:42.000 Just some random idiot, yeah. 1.00

01:18:43.000 Oh, that's so hilarious. 1.00

01:18:44.000 Well, I've had that happen to me before where someone would come up and ask me for a picture, and then another guy would pull out his phone and go, who are you, man?

01:18:50.000 Yeah.

01:18:50.000 And I'm like, I'm nobody.

01:18:51.000 Well, why does he want your picture?

01:18:52.000 And he's like getting his camera out.

01:18:54.000 I'm like, I'm going to get a picture with you, too, if I know who you are.

01:18:57.000 Like, you don't know who I am, so why would you want a picture with me?

01:18:59.000 That's crazy.

01:19:00.000 Just don't grab his waist, man. 0.96

01:19:01.000 Yeah, if you double pinch my fat, I will call the police. 1.00

01:19:05.000 Piece of shit. 1.00

01:19:06.000 Double pinch my fat. 1.00

01:19:07.000 I mean, you've done tens of thousands of photos after your shows.

01:19:12.000 You always stand out there and you take a photo with everyone.

01:19:14.000 I don't do that anymore.

01:19:14.000 It got too weird.

01:19:15.000 Oh, no, I'm sorry to hear that, man.

01:19:17.000 The show's got too big.

01:19:19.000 Yeah, like the Belco Theater I just did in Denver.

01:19:21.000 Oh, yeah, you're doing really big venues.

01:19:22.000 Yeah, it's too big.

01:19:23.000 I'll do it still at the Ice House and stuff like that, but sometimes people, they have an agenda, and it's not just to say hi, and they just want to monopolize your time.

01:19:32.000 They don't care if there's other people around you, and you run into those people, and you don't know what...

01:19:36.000 It's just too much work.

01:19:37.000 Yeah.

01:19:38.000 That was crazy you did that, man.

01:19:39.000 That was crazy you did that. 0.56

01:19:41.000 That's crazy.

01:19:42.000 I remember thinking, man...

01:19:44.000 That's a lot of time.

01:19:45.000 Sometimes you're standing out there.

01:19:47.000 Did it for 3,700 people.

01:19:49.000 Didn't it add like an extra couple of hours?

01:19:51.000 You were there for two hours.

01:19:52.000 Yeah.

01:19:53.000 Could have done a second show.

01:19:55.000 Literally. 1.00

01:19:56.000 Dude, you must have a fucking immune system. 1.00

01:19:58.000 Yeah, it's a great immune system. 1.00

01:19:59.000 My biome is on fire.

01:20:01.000 Because when you think of all those, like, when you think, like, if, like, we could take your hand after shaking 3,000 people's hands.

01:20:07.000 There's never that many people.

01:20:09.000 There's 3,700 people in the theater.

01:20:11.000 Say, it's 1,500.

01:20:11.000 It might have been 1,000.

01:20:12.000 Let's take your hand. 0.99

01:20:13.000 And if we could put it under, like, a scanning microscope, how much shit do you think is on your hand after one of those nights? 0.99

01:20:20.000 Probably, like... 0.99

01:20:21.000 A pretty... 1.00

01:20:22.000 lots of shit. 1.00

01:20:23.000 Lots of stuff. 1.00

01:20:24.000 Lots of cum. 1.00

01:20:25.000 Cum. 1.00

01:20:25.000 Piss. 1.00

01:20:26.000 Lots of piss. 0.99

01:20:26.000 Ball sweat. 0.99

01:20:27.000 Ball sweat for sure.

01:20:29.000 Cooter sweat.

01:20:30.000 Just like it's a...

01:20:31.000 Mucus.

01:20:32.000 Yeah.

01:20:32.000 Period blood.

01:20:34.000 There's gotta be some period blood on my hands.

01:20:35.000 Some...

01:20:36.000 And who knows, man?

01:20:37.000 Maybe like some...

01:20:37.000 Pizza.

01:20:38.000 Pizza.

01:20:39.000 Some polonium.

01:20:40.000 A lot of weed.

01:20:41.000 Some weed.

01:20:41.000 Weed traces.

01:20:42.000 Yeah.

01:20:42.000 You never know, man.

01:20:44.000 Yeah.

01:20:44.000 People try to slip weed into your pocket or something?

01:20:46.000 They hand it to me.

01:20:47.000 They put it in my hand.

01:20:47.000 I always tell them I can't.

01:20:48.000 First of all, I get too much weed.

01:20:50.000 So anybody trying to give me weed, please don't give me any weed.

01:20:53.000 I get too much weed.

01:20:54.000 And then second of all, I don't know you.

01:20:57.000 I can't just take your weed.

01:20:58.000 I just can't.

01:20:59.000 I wish I could.

01:21:00.000 I wish I could.

01:21:01.000 I'm sure you're cool.

01:21:02.000 I'm sure you are.

01:21:03.000 But I have kids.

01:21:04.000 Somebody gave me ayahuasca after a show once.

01:21:07.000 Oh, did you just drink it right there on the spot?

01:21:08.000 Dude, it's like it was a Tupperware with black, murky water.

01:21:16.000 He's like, it's ayahuasca.

01:21:17.000 I remember taking it back to my hotel, looking at it, and for a second thinking like... 0.99

01:21:22.000 What would happen if I drank ayahuasca in a fucking Holiday Inn? 0.99

01:21:26.000 Good things. 1.00

01:21:27.000 How bad would that trip be? 0.98

01:21:28.000 It would be fucking wonderful. 0.98

01:21:29.000 The ceiling would open up. 0.99

01:21:31.000 You would be propelled right through it.

01:21:33.000 It's the same stuff that William Hurt drank in Altered States, bro. 1.00

01:21:36.000 This is the real shit. 1.00

01:21:37.000 I got saved in a Tupperware. 1.00

01:21:39.000 Just shake it first.

01:21:41.000 Dude, once I got home after a show, I had flown, and someone had given me this framed picture.

01:21:50.000 And I have this framed picture.

01:21:51.000 I don't remember what the art was.

01:21:52.000 It was like a skull or something.

01:21:54.000 I wasn't...

01:21:55.000 Somehow, like... 0.99

01:21:56.000 I ended up like pulling the thing open and inside the picture was a fucking joint. 0.99

01:22:03.000 The guy had shoved a joint into the picture and I had flown with it. 0.99

01:22:08.000 So if they had like seen, if they'd opened that shit up, they would have seen a joint and I would have had to been like, nah man, somebody gave that to me at a show! 1.00

01:22:19.000 Look at this fucking hippie. 1.00

01:22:20.000 Lying hippie. 1.00

01:22:21.000 Dumbass trying to smuggle one joint. 1.00

01:22:24.000 Yeah, so it's dangerous. 1.00

01:22:27.000 It's tricky, man.

01:22:28.000 You can really get in trouble.

01:22:29.000 I had an interesting experience recently at Heathrow.

01:22:32.000 Did you want to talk about this in New York?

01:22:34.000 Anyway, I was flying through Heathrow, and I had a connecting flight.

01:22:39.000 Missed the connecting flight, but whatever.

01:22:41.000 There's another one two hours later.

01:22:42.000 So I'm going through security, because you have to go again through security at Heathrow when you're coming from outside Europe.

01:22:49.000 And...

01:22:50.000 I'm standing there waiting.

01:22:51.000 They take my bag for a secondary check and I see the woman talk to like the boss and he says, we'll use the other one over there. 0.99

01:22:58.000 So she takes my bag over to this other security line that's not functioning and she runs it through the machine there.

01:23:04.000 She comes back and they talk for a minute and he comes over to me and he says, you and I have to have a conversation.

01:23:09.000 Wow.

01:23:10.000 I said, okay.

01:23:11.000 He said, what do you do?

01:23:14.000 I'm like, writer, psychologist.

01:23:16.000 He's like, yeah, but what do you do?

01:23:17.000 What hobbies do you have?

01:23:19.000 It's like, hobbies?

01:23:20.000 And I literally, I said, dude, I'm 55. I jerk off and go to bed.

01:23:23.000 I don't have any hobbies.

01:23:26.000 And he didn't smile.

01:23:28.000 And he's like, you have a garden?

01:23:30.000 I was like, no.

01:23:31.000 You work with animals?

01:23:32.000 No.

01:23:33.000 Like, I don't know.

01:23:35.000 Fertilizer.

01:23:36.000 Fertilizer residue got on your thing.

01:23:38.000 They use that for bombs.

01:23:40.000 Nitrogen, right?

01:23:40.000 He's like, well, you haven't told me a story that makes sense, so I have to call the police.

01:23:45.000 I was like, what are you talking about?

01:23:47.000 He's like, well, nitrates.

01:23:50.000 I set off the other machine.

01:23:52.000 They're never wrong.

01:23:54.000 You're going to have to sit down right there and wait.

01:23:56.000 And he tells this other guy, watch him.

01:23:58.000 Don't let him go anywhere.

01:23:59.000 Like, yeah, I'm going to make a run for it.

01:24:02.000 And these cops show up, dude.

01:24:03.000 And there were like nine cops in body armor.

01:24:06.000 Wow.

01:24:06.000 Like, surrounded me.

01:24:08.000 You know, it was like, wow, this is what it feels like to go down.

01:24:13.000 Right, but you are also a 55-year-old white guy who's obviously well-educated, and you're not speaking with a weird accent from Tunisia.

01:24:20.000 Exactly.

01:24:21.000 That's what I'm thinking.

01:24:22.000 So if I were black or whatever, I would have been terrified.

01:24:27.000 Did you see the video that I posted of the guy that got gunned down the hallway?

01:24:30.000 I can't watch it.

01:24:30.000 I did see that.

01:24:31.000 Can't watch it.

01:24:31.000 So horrific.

01:24:32.000 Unbelievable.

01:24:33.000 It's murder.

01:24:34.000 It was murder. 1.00

01:24:35.000 And also, why do you have to crawl across the fucking floor? 1.00

01:24:38.000 How about they put your hands over your head and we come over and cuff you? 0.99

01:24:41.000 Because they wanted to clear the room.

01:24:42.000 He was near the room.

01:24:43.000 They didn't want him to be too close to the room.

01:24:45.000 The room was slightly around the corner.

01:24:46.000 But the way the guy escalated it, was playing a game of Simon Says with him, and then gunned this guy down. 1.00

01:24:51.000 Shut the fuck up! 0.99

01:24:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:24:53.000 What are you doing? 1.00

01:24:53.000 I will fucking shoot you, and then did shoot him for just reaching back to grab his pants as his pants were falling down as he was crawling. 1.00

01:25:00.000 I mean, he in no way looked like he was doing something dangerous. 1.00

01:25:04.000 But the most fucking disturbing thing was how many people in the comments after I posted that video on Twitter were saying, you know, that he didn't comply. 0.98

01:25:12.000 They were like saying, clean kill. 0.99

01:25:14.000 He didn't comply. 0.95

01:25:15.000 Clean shooting.

01:25:16.000 What an ugly phrase, man.

01:25:18.000 Yeah, this is a clean shooting. 0.99

01:25:20.000 Clean kill! 0.99

01:25:22.000 Come on, Joe!

01:25:23.000 That's a clean kill!

01:25:24.000 Not only that, the guy was drunk.

01:25:25.000 He was young.

01:25:27.000 You know, it's an open carry state, by the way.

01:25:29.000 He was white.

01:25:30.000 Yeah, he was white.

01:25:31.000 Yeah, this is not a, like...

01:25:32.000 Did you see the pic of the guy who killed him?

01:25:34.000 Sorry. 0.95

01:25:35.000 Monster.

01:25:36.000 Scary looking dude, man.

01:25:37.000 Jamie, can you pull out that demon? 1.00

01:25:39.000 He had, I'm fucked written on his dust cover of his AR. He said, what? 1.00

01:25:43.000 I'm fucked. 1.00

01:25:44.000 You're fucked, rather. 1.00

01:25:45.000 You're fucked. 1.00

01:25:46.000 And then, should say, I'm fucked. 1.00

01:25:48.000 And then, the other thing was, they didn't let the jury look at the video. 1.00

01:25:52.000 They thought it would taint them.

01:25:54.000 Like, it would taint their opinion.

01:25:55.000 Like, what are you talking about?

01:25:56.000 That's reality.

01:25:57.000 You need to see that video.

01:25:59.000 That video is, there's the guy. 1.00

01:26:01.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:26:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:26:03.000 Jesus. 1.00

01:26:04.000 Jesus Christ, man.

01:26:06.000 Yeah.

01:26:07.000 That's a guy who got beat up a lot in high school.

01:26:10.000 And there's that old expression, if you give someone a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

01:26:14.000 If that's the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. 0.99

01:26:17.000 And you're giving this young guy, who's obviously fucking psycho, and the way he gunned that guy down. 0.99

01:26:23.000 I mean, that was insane. 1.00

01:26:26.000 Just fucking insane. 0.98

01:26:28.000 And the idea that this represents two human beings in an interaction, and that one human being has that much power over the other one, that he can yell at him, scream at him, totally escalate the situation, not de-escalate, you know, and that he's got this gun out, 0.98

01:26:43.000 by the way, which you're in an open carry state. 0.51

01:26:46.000 So if the guy did have a toy gun, or whatever the fuck they said he had, And he's holding his toy gun and someone calls the police. 0.95

01:26:54.000 You're allowed to have a toy gun. 0.98

01:26:56.000 You're allowed to have a gun gun in Arizona.

01:26:59.000 It's an open carry state.

01:27:00.000 He was an exterminator and he had like.22s or something that he used for extermination in the room and somebody saw through the window him Holding a rifle.

01:27:10.000 Yeah, but you know what, man?

01:27:12.000 Those are legal.

01:27:13.000 Unless someone just got completely hysterical and called and said, hey, the guy's pointing the gun out the window at people, and this is the message they got.

01:27:21.000 And the cops don't know when they show up. 0.97

01:27:22.000 But when you see that guy and that woman, and you just see their fucking body language as they're walking down the hallway, super casual. 0.99

01:27:29.000 They're not walking like people that are about to kill people. 0.99

01:27:31.000 They comply immediately.

01:27:33.000 The guy's begging for his life, please don't shoot me.

01:27:36.000 The whole thing was horrific.

01:27:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:27:40.000 And so, I mean, this gets back to what we were talking about with the women, this moment in history where women are tired of the sleazy hand rubs. 0.98

01:27:46.000 I think we're also at the moment where non-white people are fucking tired of being gunned down. 0.98

01:27:52.000 Everybody's tired. 0.99

01:27:53.000 This is a white guy, though.

01:27:54.000 Yeah, I know, but this is what I'm saying.

01:27:56.000 This is everybody.

01:27:57.000 Well, but it doesn't show it's everyone.

01:27:58.000 It shows it happens to white people sometimes. 0.89

01:28:00.000 But imagine the black guys. 1.00

01:28:02.000 I mean, that guy in Albuquerque, a homeless dude, and they fucking throw those grenades. 1.00

01:28:07.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:28:07.000 And he starts running away. 0.97

01:28:09.000 Yeah, this happened like two years ago.

01:28:10.000 There was a homeless guy.

01:28:11.000 He's sleeping, right, out in the bush somewhere near Albuquerque.

01:28:15.000 And the cops come out. 0.75

01:28:16.000 They throw a flash grenade, scares the fuck out of him.

01:28:20.000 He jumps up, starts running away. 0.83

01:28:22.000 They gun him down from the back.

01:28:23.000 They shoot him in the back as he's running away.

01:28:25.000 And it's like, and they're acquitted. 0.56

01:28:28.000 I mean, it's nuts.

01:28:30.000 It is nuts.

01:28:30.000 There's no accountability.

01:28:35.000 But the thing that I... You know, what's the line that I think it was Benjamin Franklin or one of the founding fathers said that... 1.00

01:28:45.000 Fuck the police! 1.00

01:28:46.000 The revolution... 1.00

01:28:47.000 I'm just kidding!

01:28:48.000 The revolution occasionally has to be fed with the blood of...

01:28:55.000 The tree of liberty!

01:28:57.000 The tree of liberty must sometimes be watered with the blood of patriots and martyrs! 1.00

01:29:06.000 What a fucked up tree! 0.99

01:29:07.000 Hey man! 1.00

01:29:08.000 Hey, why you got that in your garden, man? 0.99

01:29:11.000 Hey, let's fucking get that thing out of your garden, man! 1.00

01:29:14.000 Fuck that tree! 1.00

01:29:15.000 Don't you think there's like a cleansing revolution that has to happen every once in a while? 1.00

01:29:20.000 I think what we're experiencing now is people, well, what we're getting from information, right, and what we're getting from this use of the internet is the ability to spread information instantaneously.

01:29:29.000 This video could have existed decades ago and we would have never seen it, you know, and there would be no need for body cameras back then either.

01:29:35.000 They didn't have the technology.

01:29:36.000 So now they do.

01:29:37.000 Everyone has to have a body camera.

01:29:39.000 This guy did this knowing he was filming it.

01:29:42.000 Which is even more insane.

01:29:44.000 Like, imagine this guy completely unfiltered, right? 0.99

01:29:48.000 I mean, he might have just gunned that guy down for the fuck of it as soon as he saw him. 0.99

01:29:53.000 I mean, he might be just a guy looking to shoot people, which is real. 1.00

01:29:57.000 Well, no, this is the thing that we're, this is like you're saying, oh, well, you know, priests are molesting kids. 0.92

01:30:03.000 And why?

01:30:05.000 Well, I don't know why so many are doing it, but one thing's for sure. 1.00

01:30:12.000 Sociopaths and people who are trying to do fucked up shit. 0.99

01:30:16.000 Wait, what was it you were saying about What's her name? 1.00

01:30:19.000 Asa Akira?

01:30:20.000 What was it you were saying?

01:30:21.000 That she liked DP? Oh, yeah.

01:30:24.000 What is it you said?

01:30:25.000 Well, she said, she was joking on this podcast I deal with her, she was like, you know, I think I've gamed the system because what I love the most in sex is DP and that's what they pay the most for. 0.99

01:30:35.000 DP being double penetration for people who aren't fucked up. 0.99

01:30:40.000 Both of them. 0.99

01:30:42.000 New listeners.

01:30:44.000 Kids.

01:30:45.000 What that shows, that's a person who figured out, truly, who figured out how to make money doing what she loves. 0.99

01:30:51.000 And so, in the same way, when you have these fucking sociopaths, these pedophiles, who want to make a career, who want to figure out a way to do what they're doing while sustaining themselves, well, they're like, oh, I'll just become a priest. 0.99

01:31:06.000 If I become a priest, I'm going to have... 1.00

01:31:07.000 And it's all power.

01:31:08.000 We're all talking power dynamics here.

01:31:10.000 Because it's like, it's not enough that you're an older man and it's some helpless kid.

01:31:16.000 But on top of that, you're a representative of the creative force of the universe. 0.99

01:31:22.000 You're like the fucking spokesperson for the universe. 0.99

01:31:25.000 The power dynamic there is almost as skewed as it can fucking get. 1.00

01:31:29.000 And in the same way, that guy... 0.98

01:31:32.000 That guy... 0.98

01:31:33.000 I mean, you think when that guy goes home, he's like listening to sounds of waterfalls and shit and taking baths with lavender candles? 1.00

01:31:40.000 That guy goes fucking home and he probably just fucking punches a brick wall. 1.00

01:31:45.000 He just punches walls. 1.00

01:31:48.000 That guy is not a happy dude. 0.88

01:31:50.000 And he likes to dominate people, and he wants to be in control, and he wants to have power, and he got himself into a job where he could get paid to be the worst kind of murderous bully there is.

01:32:02.000 And that's what's really happening, is that we have in our society... 0.60

01:32:07.000 Monsters.

01:32:08.000 And the monsters are smart and they're figuring out ways to get into positions of power. 1.00

01:32:13.000 And before the bloody revolution, we just need to come up with better ways to scan for these fucking assholes so that we can keep them out of these positions of power. 1.00

01:32:22.000 Not only do we not scan for them, we encourage them. 1.00

01:32:26.000 The system is built in such a way that they're encouraged. 0.94

01:32:29.000 I mean, it's no accident that we end up with psychopaths as president. 1.00

01:32:33.000 Who the fuck else would want to do that? 1.00

01:32:35.000 I don't think Obama's a psychopath. 1.00

01:32:37.000 I don't either.

01:32:38.000 I think Obama and Jimmy Carter are two real exceptions to that.

01:32:42.000 Well, wait.

01:32:43.000 I don't think psychopath is the right word for it, but you do kind of have to come up with...

01:32:47.000 Megalomaniac.

01:32:48.000 Well, you need to come up with a definition of terms, right?

01:32:50.000 So it's like, for example, like Obama, you have to come up with inarguable things.

01:32:55.000 Like Obama, for sure, ordered...

01:32:57.000 Drone strikes that killed people.

01:32:59.000 So if you order a drone strike and it kills people, are you a murderer?

01:33:03.000 That's a question.

01:33:04.000 Are you a murderer if you order a drone strike and it kills people? 0.99

01:33:07.000 And the number is insane.

01:33:08.000 The number of innocents is in the high 80s, I believe.

01:33:11.000 But does that make you a murderer?

01:33:12.000 Does that make you a murderer?

01:33:14.000 80,000?

01:33:14.000 No, percent.

01:33:15.000 Oh, percent, okay.

01:33:18.000 Haven't we done this before, Jamie, with the number of innocents killed by drone strikes?

01:33:23.000 I think it's somewhere in the 80% range.

01:33:26.000 Would that make him a murderer?

01:33:29.000 Is it safe to say when you're using adjectives for him, you could say, well, okay, he has...

01:33:35.000 Could you say he has...

01:33:36.000 Murdered people?

01:33:37.000 Could you say this, that we have an infantile view of what the president is because there are so many tasks and so many human beings and so many things that are connected to him that the idea that he is the one giving all the orders for all these different things that are happening all over the world is kind of absurd.

01:33:54.000 It's like a monotheistic god or the daddy.

01:33:57.000 We really need to go to a more community-based understanding of religion, of politics, of everything.

01:34:04.000 There shouldn't be one person in charge of everything. 0.94

01:34:06.000 That's ridiculous.

01:34:07.000 Just think about two massive issues, geopolitics and finance. 0.75

01:34:13.000 These are two things that the government is supposed to have their hands on.

01:34:18.000 They're supposed to be able to control...

01:34:21.000 The way we interact with world leaders, all sorts of weird military dictatorships in the Middle East and in North Korea.

01:34:31.000 We have to interact with all of these countries, hundreds of countries.

01:34:35.000 Then on top of that, he's responsible for job growth.

01:34:39.000 Like, what? 1.00

01:34:40.000 Who is this fucking guy? 1.00

01:34:41.000 What else is he doing? 1.00

01:34:42.000 He's ordering drone strikes, too.

01:34:45.000 What else is he doing?

01:34:46.000 He's keeping potty legal. 1.00

01:34:47.000 That son of a bitch. 1.00

01:34:48.000 He's appointing serene court judges. 1.00

01:34:50.000 He's drilling in Alaska.

01:34:51.000 He's cutting a new road through the Salmon River.

01:34:54.000 Like, they're doing...

01:34:55.000 One guy?

01:34:57.000 One guy doing any...

01:34:58.000 One guy with a full-time job doing any one of those, being responsible for the decisions, is crazy.

01:35:04.000 For any one of those things.

01:35:05.000 Plus, you're the public face of...

01:35:08.000 The world. 1.00

01:35:08.000 Do you notice that Trump—and I used to think that people were exaggerating, but he's losing his shit. 1.00

01:35:13.000 He's micro-strokes, I think. 0.99

01:35:16.000 He's slurring his words now.

01:35:18.000 Yeah, a lot.

01:35:18.000 And he drinks 12 cans of Diet Coke a day, apparently, which may be fake news.

01:35:23.000 They might be fucking with us. 0.99

01:35:24.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:35:24.000 But he watches eight hours of television a day? 1.00

01:35:28.000 He's the perfect representative of America.

01:35:30.000 Look at this.

01:35:31.000 Nearly 90% of the people killed in airstrikes were not the intended targets during one five-month period of operation between January 2012 and February 2013. Why do they hate us?

01:35:45.000 Why do they hate us?

01:35:46.000 But let's talk about the psychopath idea.

01:35:48.000 Let's talk about the psychopath idea.

01:35:50.000 Like, what is a psychopath?

01:35:52.000 I mean, this is a very special kind of murder that's happening here.

01:35:56.000 It's like, you know, okay, let's take the classic example.

01:35:59.000 God may rest in peace.

01:36:02.000 Charles Manson.

01:36:03.000 One of the things he always said is, I never killed anybody, man!

01:36:07.000 I never killed anybody!

01:36:08.000 And it's true. 0.56

01:36:08.000 I don't think he ever killed anybody. 0.56

01:36:10.000 Tex Watson did all the killings.

01:36:11.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:36:11.000 So with Manson, it's like, Jesus fucking Christ, that guy is truly, I mean, he really is one of the classics. 0.99

01:36:16.000 He's amazing. 0.99

01:36:17.000 He's like one of the most entertaining psychopaths in America, maybe ever.

01:36:22.000 He's really a great actor. 0.65

01:36:24.000 He's a great musician.

01:36:25.000 But the thing is, like, okay, we know Manson. 1.00

01:36:28.000 That guy was out of his fucking gourd. 1.00

01:36:29.000 We ate your garbage, man. 1.00

01:36:31.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:36:32.000 Yeah, you call it a garbage dump, I call it a gold mine! 0.99

01:36:35.000 But like, you take somebody like that, and it's like, okay, clearly nuts. 0.98

01:36:39.000 But then you take someone like Obama or any American president, who's killed so many more people, or ordered people to kill so many more people, and many of those people are children. 0.99

01:36:49.000 And they're dressed in a suit, and they're dapper, and they're fucking charismatic. 0.99

01:36:53.000 I mean, fuck, if Obama walked into the room right now, I'd be like, wow, Obama, wow, great to meet you. 1.00

01:36:59.000 Let me see your boss balls. 1.00

01:37:00.000 You know how drone strikes get approved? 0.99

01:37:03.000 No.

01:37:04.000 Lawyers.

01:37:06.000 What?

01:37:07.000 From the Defense Department?

01:37:08.000 Lawyers.

01:37:09.000 Lawyers ultimately make the call whether or not drone strikes get approved.

01:37:13.000 They get together with lawyers.

01:37:15.000 So what's the...

01:37:16.000 They have a target.

01:37:18.000 Say if the target's an apartment building, they have a geolocator on the target, like whatever it is, whether it's metadata from someone's cell phone that indicates the cell phone's in this...

01:37:27.000 Particular area.

01:37:28.000 How big of a target is this?

01:37:30.000 How much of a risk is it?

01:37:32.000 What's the benefits?

01:37:33.000 And they'll literally get together with lawyers.

01:37:35.000 This is according to a guy that I know that used to be one of the bigwigs at the CIA. He's like, this is what happens.

01:37:41.000 Mike Baker told me this.

01:37:41.000 Are they worried about getting sued?

01:37:43.000 Yes.

01:37:43.000 They're worried about the legality of it, how it's going to be perceived, whether or not you can be tried as a war criminal for this.

01:37:50.000 Wow.

01:37:52.000 The scary thing is not just that 90% are unintended targets.

01:37:56.000 It's that they know, going in, that they're going to kill a bunch of unintended targets and they still gun them down.

01:38:03.000 You saw that collateral murder video, which is what put WikiLeaks on the map, when they released that video that showed those guys gunning down, and there's a minivan, and there's kids in the van, and the guy's literal reaction is, shouldn't have brought the kids.

01:38:20.000 Shouldn't have brought the kids.

01:38:21.000 We had to gun you down. 0.85

01:38:22.000 Oh, whoops.

01:38:23.000 Turns out that wasn't a gun.

01:38:24.000 It was a camera.

01:38:25.000 My bad.

01:38:26.000 I mean, they're gunning you down with blurry images from the sky.

01:38:30.000 And then when they killed kids, or thought they killed kids, I think the kids survived, they were like, shouldn't have brought the kids.

01:38:37.000 Yeah, and that's what's really wild about it is that...

01:38:40.000 Freedom.

01:38:41.000 Yeah, freedom. 1.00

01:38:42.000 The tree of fucking liberty. 1.00

01:38:43.000 We gotta water it. 1.00

01:38:44.000 What, do you want the thing to wither?

01:38:45.000 But this is the, to me, this is the most interesting thing about living in the United States.

01:38:53.000 Is the way that you generally don't think about that stuff.

01:38:58.000 Like, you just don't think about it.

01:38:59.000 It's not a thing that you really, what are you going to do?

01:39:01.000 It's like, you know it's happening.

01:39:04.000 You know we've been doing it.

01:39:05.000 You know we've done it over and over and over and over and over again.

01:39:09.000 But really, nobody, what can we do?

01:39:11.000 You vote.

01:39:12.000 You vote.

01:39:12.000 Vote!

01:39:13.000 Vote!

01:39:13.000 Be politically active!

01:39:14.000 And maybe you can get somebody in power who isn't going to kill a bunch of people.

01:39:18.000 But inevitably, they keep killing a bunch of people.

01:39:21.000 They keep doing it.

01:39:22.000 And we keep ignoring it. 1.00

01:39:24.000 And that is one of the creepiest fucking things. 0.99

01:39:27.000 Because it's like, alright, when here in the United States... 0.99

01:39:32.000 When a cop guns down somebody, thank God, most people freak out.

01:39:37.000 Like that video that you tweeted, we all look at the video and we're like, my God, how did that guy get off the hook?

01:39:43.000 We used to look at his picture. 0.98

01:39:44.000 He's a monster!

01:39:46.000 But probably today, I don't know for sure, but this week, certainly this month, some people got exploded by the United States, right? 0.83

01:39:55.000 How often does that happen?

01:39:56.000 I mean, the thing about drones is they don't tell you we're launching drone strikes.

01:40:03.000 And then, like, let's talk about Yemen, where all the weapons that Saudi Arabia is using to starve and destroy the Yemeni population came from the United States.

01:40:14.000 And the pilots are trained by us.

01:40:16.000 And so we've got our drones blowing people up, but also we've totally armed this country that's destroying this other country. 0.76

01:40:23.000 And, you know, they know that.

01:40:25.000 It says USA on the bomb fragments. 1.00

01:40:28.000 That's so fucked up. 0.99

01:40:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:40:30.000 Yeah.

01:40:31.000 I don't know, man.

01:40:32.000 Sorry to – I don't know if this will derail it, but we were talking about Sam Harris earlier and the beef I have – it's not a beef, but the disagreement that I have with him around his Islam thing is that he totally discounts the role of U.S. foreign policy in creating the toxic – Environment that gives rise to things like ISIS. Are you sure that he totally discounts that? 0.93

01:40:57.000 Because I don't think that's true.

01:40:58.000 Well, honestly, you know a lot more about Sam than I do, but some of my friends and listeners will be like, dude, you've got to listen.

01:41:05.000 I think that it's a convenient talking point.

01:41:07.000 I don't think he does.

01:41:08.000 Well, I listened to one podcast he did where he was responding to this article in the The publication of Islamic Jihad or something.

01:41:21.000 And he was like, look, this is what I'm talking about. 0.99

01:41:23.000 Like, all non-Muslims should be killed and blah, blah, blah. 1.00

01:41:29.000 And he's going through this whole thing. 1.00

01:41:30.000 And it's been a year since I listened to it.

01:41:32.000 So, you know, apologies to Sam if I'm misremembering this.

01:41:36.000 But what I remember thinking at the time was...

01:41:39.000 He said something like, well, there are people who think that it's U.S. foreign policy, but that's ridiculous. 0.97

01:41:43.000 This is Islam. 0.99

01:41:44.000 This is Islam.

01:41:45.000 It says it right here.

01:41:46.000 This is the ideology of Islam.

01:41:48.000 And I'm like, yeah, but dude, that particular ideology of Islam is taking hold, A, because of 100 years of foreign policy, of humiliating and destroying these cultures, and B, because of American support for the Saudi-supported I forgot the name of the schools that are all over the Middle East now because of Saudi Arabia, 0.98

01:42:13.000 putting them into Pakistan and Afghanistan and all that. 0.72

01:42:17.000 Wahhabism? 0.98

01:42:18.000 Wahhabism, exactly. 0.96

01:42:19.000 Thank you.

01:42:20.000 Yeah.

01:42:20.000 So, I mean, I think this is really important that when you destroy countries and when you do it the way we're doing it, we don't even have the balls to go in on the ground.

01:42:30.000 You're just blasting people from the clouds.

01:42:33.000 It creates blowback.

01:42:35.000 And if that's expressed in terms of a religious ideology or whatever it is, it's going to come back.

01:42:41.000 You're absolutely right, but there's also stuff that's happening to places that has nothing to do with America that's also related to...

01:42:49.000 I mean, look at what's going on in Iraq when the power vacuum was created because Saddam Hussein was killed, and the Sunnis and the Shia started a civil war.

01:42:58.000 And they're starting a war that has nothing to do with America, other than the fact that America took out their dictator.

01:43:06.000 But why does Iraq exist? 0.99

01:43:07.000 Who created Iraq? 0.97

01:43:09.000 We did, sure.

01:43:09.000 The British.

01:43:10.000 And look what we did to Libya. 0.92

01:43:12.000 And we created it like we did – when I say we, I'm talking about European and post-World War II. Team us.

01:43:18.000 Post-World War I, really.

01:43:20.000 Yeah, team us.

01:43:21.000 When they created these countries in Africa as well, they intentionally created them so that there were opposing tribes or populations within the country so that they could better exercise control over them.

01:43:32.000 Did they?

01:43:33.000 So they engineered the Sunni and the Shiite? 0.99

01:43:35.000 They engineered, you look at the origins of, and I'm not an expert, I've read this several different places, but I know it happened in Africa as well, where they would intentionally draw the border so that you have different tribes within that border who all have long-lasting enmity with each other,

01:43:53.000 so you can arm and manipulate one tribe to dominate the others.

01:43:59.000 And then when decolonialization happened, then we have all these unstable...

01:44:05.000 Structures in place that we've left behind.

01:44:07.000 I think what you're outlining is that it's a very complex issue.

01:44:11.000 It's not simply just the ideology.

01:44:13.000 And I 100% agree.

01:44:15.000 I don't think anybody who's reasonable couldn't agree.

01:44:17.000 But I also think that there's a problem with human psychology and ideologies.

01:44:22.000 And we have this very bizarre desire to be all in.

01:44:27.000 In whatever team that we're on.

01:44:29.000 And when you're on a team that has, arguably in 2017, the most archaic mainstream ideology, that's Islam, right? 0.99

01:44:40.000 I mean, if you stop and think about how ancient is it, how in its practices, the way, especially when it's used in radical ways, the way women are forced to dress, the way in Saudi Arabia, I think up until really recently, they weren't allowed to drive, right?

01:44:54.000 Now they're allowed to.

01:44:55.000 Yeah, within the last two or three years.

01:44:57.000 There's a lot of like stuff in it that we would think of as being a part of a bygone era of human beings.

01:45:04.000 Except for Alabama.

01:45:05.000 Ah, Roy Moore's losing though apparently.

01:45:07.000 Is he?

01:45:08.000 Yeah.

01:45:08.000 Oh, that's happening right now.

01:45:09.000 Down by 10 points, yeah.

01:45:11.000 Ah, interesting.

01:45:12.000 Cool.

01:45:13.000 Did you see the video that Vice had on that?

01:45:16.000 Yeah, there's definitely parallels.

01:45:17.000 I think it's like all things.

01:45:19.000 We're always looking for one reason why something exists.

01:45:22.000 Yeah.

01:45:23.000 And look, the reason why you have this idea of jihad and jihadism involving suicide bombers and sacrifice in war, a lot of that is directly attributable to what happened to Afghanistan during the Soviet Union's interaction with them when we were training the Mujahideen.

01:45:45.000 The way they talked people into going to war and armed them against the Soviet Union, these futile attempts, there was a lot of encouragement for a lot of these suicidal tactics.

01:45:58.000 Maybe not necessarily suicide bombing, But the Mujahideen were armed directly by the United States.

01:46:05.000 And that is what turned Osama bin Laden against us.

01:46:09.000 He was with us then.

01:46:11.000 Charlie Wilson's War.

01:46:12.000 Have you seen that movie?

01:46:13.000 No.

01:46:14.000 It's about that.

01:46:14.000 It's about the senator, I think he was, who went to Pakistan and oversaw the army of the Mujahideen.

01:46:20.000 Tom Hanks.

01:46:21.000 Oh, right.

01:46:23.000 The guy everyone says I look like who overdosed a while ago.

01:46:27.000 Philip Hoffman.

01:46:28.000 Seymour Hoffman.

01:46:29.000 What is his name?

01:46:30.000 Phil Seymour Hoffman.

01:46:31.000 Yeah.

01:46:32.000 And also, to relate back to what we were talking about earlier, think about the role of sexual frustration in getting martyrs.

01:46:40.000 Oh.

01:46:41.000 You know, these are guys who never get laid.

01:46:43.000 Well, a lot of them, these kids, man.

01:46:44.000 A buddy of mine who was over in Afghanistan was telling me how they would put kids in front of tractors because the tractors weren't expensive.

01:46:51.000 Yeah.

01:46:52.000 Ah, Jesus Christ.

01:46:53.000 That was Dr. Sean, right?

01:46:55.000 Wasn't that Dr. Baker?

01:46:56.000 It wasn't.

01:46:56.000 I was thinking it was Andy Stump, but no.

01:47:00.000 I think it was Sean Baker was telling me that.

01:47:02.000 He was over in Afghanistan as a medic.

01:47:04.000 He was saying that these guys had, he's like, I can always make another son.

01:47:07.000 I can't get another tractor.

01:47:09.000 Jesus God.

01:47:10.000 So the other kids walk in front of the tractors to look for landmines.

01:47:14.000 What?

01:47:15.000 I guess all the donkeys have blown up already. 0.99

01:47:18.000 Just fucking imagine that that could even be something that someone could say and you realize the difference in the world, the harshness of the world that you're talking about. 0.99

01:47:28.000 And the worst thing about Afghanistan I mean, I know a lot of old hippies who used to... 1.00

01:47:34.000 That was on the hippie trail.

01:47:36.000 And Afghanistan was the best place.

01:47:38.000 Oh, yeah.

01:47:38.000 Everybody loved Afghanistan.

01:47:40.000 The people are so nice, so welcoming.

01:47:43.000 Your bus breaks down in the middle of nowhere.

01:47:45.000 People will come from miles away from their village and take you back to the village and feed you and take care of you.

01:47:52.000 Like, it was the most hospitable place in the world.

01:47:54.000 Dude, I'll tell you a scary story about that, though.

01:47:57.000 Because one...

01:47:58.000 There's one of the teachers at these Ram Dass retreats.

01:48:00.000 They all were on the hippie trail, man.

01:48:02.000 And one of them, her name's, I think, Mirabai Bush, I think?

01:48:06.000 Mirabai?

01:48:07.000 But she was telling the story how, you know, the hippie trail.

01:48:10.000 They'd get in a bus.

01:48:11.000 They'd travel through Europe to end up in India. 0.99

01:48:14.000 The fucking Brotherhood of Eternal Love was, like, just dispensing just acid everywhere. 0.99

01:48:21.000 Do they still do this trail? 1.00

01:48:22.000 What?

01:48:23.000 No. 0.99

01:48:23.000 I mean, try fucking bringing a rainbow bus through Afghanistan now, man. 0.99

01:48:27.000 Ha! 1.00

01:48:28.000 You gotta go through Iran to get the soldiers to shoot it. 0.99

01:48:32.000 But she was telling the story about how like all these hippies were hanging out. 0.99

01:48:35.000 I don't know where they were at, but these two fucking dudes rode up in horses wearing like, you know, the full garb. 0.99

01:48:43.000 They had swords. 0.99

01:48:45.000 And one of the hippies said to them something like, we're all children of God.

01:48:50.000 And he responded, my God has no children.

01:48:55.000 It was like some kind of heavy-duty Islam. 1.00

01:48:58.000 It was like, fuck you, hippie! 1.00

01:48:59.000 What are you talking about? 1.00

01:49:00.000 So it wasn't necessarily...

01:49:03.000 Everything wasn't necessarily peaceful and joyful.

01:49:05.000 There was still fundamentalism happening there. 0.99

01:49:08.000 But I think all the shit we're talking about... 1.00

01:49:11.000 The really creepy thing is that whatever this is, whether it's the United States stuck a fucking stick in the ant's nest too much, and now we've got like these fundamentalist lunatics who will blow themselves up to kill other people, 0.99

01:49:27.000 Whether we've got a viral form of a religion that has infected people's brains and is now going to spread with adversity, the real problem is we're also dealing with an exponential increase in technological progress. 0.97

01:49:44.000 I interviewed this guy Aaron Frank from Singularity University, and this is a scary thing he said, is eventually there's going to be technology that exists where you can just like, you can, you know, engineer a Engineer fucking ebola using some kind of biological 3d printer when that that might be 50 years from now 60 years, 0.92

01:50:04.000 and I don't know but it's not that far away and also This fucking Cuban sound beam right?

01:50:11.000 Yeah, there's kind of you know the story popped up about these people in Cuba State there's some weird chirping sound shot at the embassy right at the embassy us embassy there they're shooting some sort of sound weapon at them and It was driving them crazy. 0.96

01:50:24.000 And it caused brain damage. 0.72

01:50:26.000 And so, when you consider that already there is apparently some new sonic weapon existing that can make you mentally disabled, maybe permanently, and we're dealing with people who are mentally disabled in another fucking way, which is that they have become infected with some I think? 0.95

01:51:01.000 And just start launching it into people's houses. 0.98

01:51:04.000 It goes through walls?

01:51:04.000 I think it went through a wall, yeah.

01:51:06.000 Well, they haven't defined what this weapon is specifically, right?

01:51:09.000 This is a new thing.

01:51:10.000 They know of some sound weapons.

01:51:12.000 Some sound.

01:51:13.000 But this is the thing.

01:51:14.000 There was a time when a nuclear bomb did not exist, and then it existed.

01:51:17.000 There was a time when a gun didn't exist, and then it existed.

01:51:20.000 So I think it'd be a safe bet to say in the next 50 years. 0.99

01:51:24.000 We're gonna get some brand new fucking weapon. 0.99

01:51:26.000 There's some guy in DARPA right now whipping up some fucking thing. 0.99

01:51:30.000 I don't know what it is. 0.99

01:51:30.000 Who knows what it is, you know? 0.99

01:51:32.000 Just like a new kind of flashlight that shines through walls and just makes you forget who you are.

01:51:38.000 You saw what Elon Musk said about the robots.

01:51:42.000 You'd need a strobe light to see them.

01:51:44.000 Because they'd be moving so fast in a few years.

01:51:46.000 Yeah.

01:51:46.000 Sleep tight.

01:51:47.000 Yeah, sleep tight, because it's like, you know, not only do we have, like, these weapons are in the hands right now, like you said.

01:51:55.000 The nuclear weapons are in the hands of somebody who won a popularity contest. 0.98

01:51:59.000 I don't know who's gonna control the fucking robots, but one thing's for sure, man. 1.00

01:52:03.000 There's a lot of crazy people on the planet right now, and they're gonna have access to shit unlike anything we've ever seen. 1.00

01:52:11.000 No question. 1.00

01:52:12.000 Yes.

01:52:13.000 And how about a weapon that just makes everyone infantile?

01:52:16.000 Yeah.

01:52:17.000 It doesn't kill you.

01:52:18.000 Like the idea of the hydrogen bomb.

01:52:19.000 Ah!

01:52:20.000 The idea of the hydrogen bomb, right?

01:52:22.000 The hydrogen bomb kills all the people, leaves all the buildings.

01:52:25.000 Yeah, beautiful.

01:52:26.000 But what about...

01:52:27.000 Neutron bomb.

01:52:27.000 Neutron?

01:52:28.000 Is that what it is?

01:52:28.000 Yeah.

01:52:29.000 You're right. 1.00

01:52:30.000 What about a stupid bomb? 1.00

01:52:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:52:32.000 Like a bomb that makes everybody have a 50 IQ. There you go. 1.00

01:52:35.000 Well, they thought they would drop LSD, right?

01:52:37.000 They were experimenting with LSD in the 60s and 70s, thinking they could use that to make soldiers crazy on the battlefield.

01:52:44.000 Well, they initially wanted to use it as a truth serum.

01:52:47.000 They wanted to use it on captured enemy soldiers.

01:52:49.000 Yeah.

01:52:50.000 There's some hilarious videos from the 1950s giving soldiers acid.

01:52:54.000 World War II video.

01:52:56.000 Yeah.

01:52:57.000 Post-World War II. They got them all doped up on acid.

01:53:00.000 I think they're English troops from the UK, and they're Wandering around in black and white footage, just tripping balls. 0.97

01:53:06.000 That's right. 0.81

01:53:08.000 Yeah, it's true.

01:53:09.000 Dude, this is actually why we need LSD right now, because the problem is we're facing one of the most beautiful things that could ever happen to a society, which is we're about to create this beautiful technology that is going to be something unlike anything we've ever seen.

01:53:28.000 And it's wonderful.

01:53:29.000 It's wonderful.

01:53:30.000 Humans are mostly wonderful, I think.

01:53:33.000 But we've got a few of us out there who have been infected with this thing you're talking about, us or them, the team attitude.

01:53:39.000 It's me and you.

01:53:41.000 It's me versus you.

01:53:42.000 And this is the problem.

01:53:44.000 This is a real problem.

01:53:45.000 How do we fix that?

01:53:48.000 Because it's like, yeah, I don't know who caused it.

01:53:51.000 That's the thing. 1.00

01:53:52.000 Is fucking Harvey Weinstein... 1.00

01:53:54.000 Is it because the team boys aren't getting jerked off enough? 1.00

01:53:59.000 I don't know. 0.98

01:54:00.000 But we do have a problem right now, which is that there's a lot of people whose minds are scrambled with crazy ideas.

01:54:09.000 And that's okay. 0.99

01:54:10.000 That's okay back when there were crossbows and shit. 0.99

01:54:13.000 But now that we've got these minds scrambled with crazy ideas and access... 0.99

01:54:18.000 To information about how to make fertilizer bombs, how to make...

01:54:22.000 I've already heard...

01:54:23.000 Hey, whatever happened with that?

01:54:25.000 Where'd you get the fertilizer?

01:54:28.000 Never finished that story.

01:54:29.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:54:29.000 So what happened was these cops...

01:54:32.000 So this one cop is standing next to me and he's like, oh, so you're from the States, huh?

01:54:37.000 What part do you live in?

01:54:38.000 And we're just chatting.

01:54:39.000 And then this other cop comes over and he's like...

01:54:41.000 He's like, I'm going to press my camera.

01:54:43.000 I have to record this.

01:54:44.000 You understand that?

01:54:45.000 I'm like, yes, I understand.

01:54:46.000 You're recording me.

01:54:47.000 Anything you say will be used.

01:54:48.000 Yeah, yeah, I understand. 0.99

01:54:49.000 And he's like real up in my face and like, I think you're lying to me and giving me all this shit. 0.97

01:54:54.000 And then he goes away and the other guy's like, yeah, don't worry. 0.99

01:54:57.000 He's like, he gets uptight sometimes.

01:54:59.000 I'm like, oh, so you're the good cop, right?

01:55:01.000 And he's like, yeah, yeah.

01:55:02.000 And I said, all right, that's fine.

01:55:04.000 As long as you're not an American cop, right?

01:55:05.000 I'm not worried about it.

01:55:07.000 Because I knew, like I knew, like eventually this was going to be just a good story.

01:55:11.000 And so they're like, well, you know, your bag keeps coming back positive. 0.99

01:55:16.000 And they checked my hands and they wiped my jeans and shit. 0.99

01:55:20.000 And they said, we got to get the dog. 0.99

01:55:22.000 We get the dog.

01:55:23.000 So now I'm waiting there just chatting and they bring this dog.

01:55:25.000 Brian was the name of the dog.

01:55:27.000 And Brian sniffed my bag and didn't, there was nothing.

01:55:31.000 And so they were like, Brian says you're good to go.

01:55:34.000 Isn't that crazy? 1.00

01:55:34.000 Fuck the equipment. 1.00

01:55:35.000 Let's talk. 1.00

01:55:37.000 I know, and they're telling me.

01:55:38.000 And I'm like, guys, there's nothing.

01:55:40.000 Trust me.

01:55:40.000 You can Google me.

01:55:42.000 And they're like, the machines are never wrong.

01:55:45.000 They literally said that.

01:55:46.000 And I'm like, well, they're wrong this time.

01:55:48.000 You want to bet?

01:55:49.000 50 bucks?

01:55:50.000 50 pounds?

01:55:51.000 Yeah, we don't bet.

01:55:52.000 Anyway, so finally, I was like, when the dog was like, you know, that I was free, I said, can I do a group selfie with you guys?

01:56:01.000 Like, put it on Instagram.

01:56:02.000 That'd be pretty funny.

01:56:03.000 And they're like, no, no, we can't have our faces.

01:56:05.000 Right.

01:56:05.000 But you can take a picture with Brian.

01:56:07.000 Oh, that's cool.

01:56:07.000 So I got this picture with the dog, like, licking my cheek in Haythro.

01:56:11.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

01:56:13.000 I bought a laptop once from Redband.

01:56:15.000 And he was selling this Windows laptop.

01:56:18.000 I wanted to get a second laptop.

01:56:19.000 And the first time I used it, took it through the airport, and it got screened.

01:56:27.000 So they pull you aside.

01:56:30.000 We're going to have to check this again.

01:56:31.000 Have you been near a farm?

01:56:33.000 No.

01:56:33.000 I didn't know what that meant back then.

01:56:35.000 I didn't know about the fertilizer.

01:56:36.000 They checked my hands.

01:56:37.000 Nothing.

01:56:38.000 They swabbed the entire laptop.

01:56:40.000 I could test positive for fertilizer. 0.93

01:56:42.000 And cum stains. 1.00

01:56:43.000 Yeah, it's probably just Red Band's jizz all over the fucking computer. 1.00

01:56:48.000 But they went over it with a fine-tooth comb, with a swab. 0.99

01:56:52.000 And they went up and down.

01:56:53.000 They had to ask me a bunch of questions.

01:56:54.000 I explained what I do.

01:56:55.000 I'm a comedian.

01:56:57.000 I host Fear Factor.

01:56:58.000 And they go, oh, okay.

01:57:00.000 Alright, get out of here. 0.83

01:57:01.000 Just gave it to me.

01:57:02.000 Gave me the laptop.

01:57:03.000 Let me go.

01:57:04.000 Because they recognized you?

01:57:05.000 Yeah, because they checked the laptop.

01:57:07.000 I said, I bought it from a friend.

01:57:08.000 They said, did he work around a farm?

01:57:09.000 I go, I don't think so.

01:57:11.000 And they just tested it, and they swabbed it, and whatever minimal amount of nitrogen that they found on it, which exists in fertilizer, but also in bombs, somehow or another.

01:57:22.000 But it's also, by the way, nitrogen is the most common thing in the air.

01:57:25.000 The air is 80% nitrogen.

01:57:27.000 I don't know how they're, like, getting what they're getting off of the laptop.

01:57:32.000 I don't know why it would test positive or what have you, but it was apparently a minimal amount in some way, shape, or form they thought it was okay.

01:57:40.000 I thought they were going to turn it on and check the content and you're going to get in trouble for all the porn on there. 1.00

01:57:45.000 All my writing, all the shit that I write down, what the fuck is wrong with your head? 1.00

01:57:50.000 But if you worked on a farm and you got that nitrogen shit all over you, if you were laying down some fertilizer and you got in your clothes and you went straight to the airport, you're not flying anywhere, bro. 1.00

01:58:00.000 They check you and they find that shit on you. 0.99

01:58:03.000 If somehow or another it gets detected, like it's touching your bags or something like that, you're going to be in for some questioning. 1.00

01:58:11.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:58:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:58:12.000 That sucks, man. 1.00

01:58:14.000 So what do you think is going to happen with this democratization of weaponry that you were talking about? 0.97

01:58:20.000 Because sometimes I think it could be a good thing.

01:58:22.000 If everybody had the capacity to destroy the planet...

01:58:26.000 No way.

01:58:26.000 It's not a good thing.

01:58:27.000 Jesus, Chris.

01:58:28.000 No way.

01:58:30.000 Well, it's where we're going.

01:58:31.000 It's where we're going. 1.00

01:58:32.000 We have to kill the people that we think would possibly destroy the planet, and then everyone's gonna be scared. 0.99

01:58:38.000 It's gonna be like McCarthyism for nuclear catastrophe. 0.99

01:58:42.000 Mutual assured destruction.

01:58:44.000 Yeah, which works when both people are sane.

01:58:47.000 But when you're dealing with someone who wants to die, like these shooters, when you look at what's happening with these shooters, like the guy in Vegas, that's an example. 0.61

01:58:56.000 Of a lunatic getting a hold of some technology and using that technology to wipe out a shit ton of people not caring if he's gonna die. 0.99

01:59:04.000 What if that guy was up there with a fucking Cuban sonic dum-dum beam? 0.99

01:59:08.000 Just blasting people with this beam that's like making them for the rest of their lives have some kind of neurological impairment. 0.99

01:59:16.000 What if that person, God forbid, he was up there like dusting out smallpox that he had printed up in his 3D printer.

01:59:24.000 The creepy thing about it is...

01:59:28.000 Chris, that there is not a solution.

01:59:31.000 I don't even know how you, like, we're looking at like huge chunks of the human population that believe that in this insane creator force that actually wants them to explode themselves. 0.89

01:59:45.000 You know, they went in and like that shooting that just happened where ISIS came in and just fucking executed a bunch of Sufis. 1.00

01:59:53.000 Oh, in Egypt, yeah. 0.99

01:59:55.000 Yes.

01:59:55.000 And Sufism, it's like mystical Islam.

02:00:00.000 It's beautiful.

02:00:01.000 It's beautiful.

02:00:02.000 It's dancing.

02:00:03.000 Yes, it's dancing.

02:00:04.000 And so we already have this kind of insanity bubbling up in different parts of the planet.

02:00:10.000 And then you have the loner person who just, for whatever reason, decides to go and shoot up a church or whatever.

02:00:16.000 This is all like Sam Harris arguments.

02:00:18.000 This is what Sam Harris believes when it comes to ideologies being incredibly toxic in that form.

02:00:25.000 Yeah, they can be.

02:00:26.000 They can be.

02:00:26.000 Yeah, they can be.

02:00:27.000 I want to start a fight with Sam Harris, but I like him.

02:00:30.000 It seems like a fun thing to do.

02:00:32.000 I'm going to get you, Harris.

02:00:34.000 I'm coming for you.

02:00:35.000 Hey, Mr. Logical.

02:00:38.000 You logical focus.

02:00:40.000 I'll get you for your focus.

02:00:43.000 How dare you be right all the time?

02:00:46.000 Yeah, man.

02:00:49.000 AI is a big problem. 0.93

02:00:53.000 But also the fact that the current AI that we're running, the human operating system, is already fucking up in this kind of intense way.

02:01:02.000 I don't know what the solution is.

02:01:03.000 No one can really even think about it, but it's a problem.

02:01:08.000 In the most intense way.

02:01:10.000 Well, here's how easy the AI is to hack.

02:01:11.000 Donald Trump, who's never been religious at any point in his life, ever, now is able to say, God bless America, and everybody starts clapping.

02:01:21.000 And they believe that he believes that God is blessing America, which has never been a part of his thought process.

02:01:28.000 That's right.

02:01:28.000 There's a giant history of Donald Trump interacting with the world.

02:01:33.000 Never was there any proselytizing.

02:01:36.000 There's never any espousing of any religious doctrines or talking about the greatness of Christianity, but now he does it, and because he's in this position where you have to believe it, we accept that new variation in his speech, that now he brings God into the equation.

02:01:50.000 We never brought God into the equation before.

02:01:53.000 That's so creepy, man, the way you just said. 0.99

02:01:55.000 I didn't know what you were talking about, because I'm like, Trump definitely didn't hack any fucking AI. But now I hear what you're saying. 0.98

02:01:59.000 Yeah.

02:02:00.000 Yeah.

02:02:01.000 He's tapped into this...

02:02:02.000 Human AI. Yeah.

02:02:04.000 The requirement to believe in supernatural beings that are looking out for us.

02:02:09.000 Right.

02:02:10.000 That's a requirement.

02:02:11.000 Right.

02:02:11.000 In 2017, you cannot, like if Chris Ryan wanted to run for president, one of the real issues there would be is, I can't trust an atheist.

02:02:18.000 Right.

02:02:19.000 Right.

02:02:20.000 Oh, that would be the least of the problems.

02:02:24.000 I just read your book. 1.00

02:02:26.000 We've got to sit down and talk, because I'm not some crazy polygamous monkey person, you piece of shit. 1.00

02:02:30.000 My first press conference would be a doozy, let me tell you. 1.00

02:02:34.000 It would be great.

02:02:34.000 Yeah, man.

02:02:35.000 So that is the problem, is that human AI, we're getting better at hacking it.

02:02:41.000 I don't think it was Sam Harris who said it, though it might have been.

02:02:45.000 Maybe it was Elon Musk.

02:02:46.000 He was saying everyone thinks the problem with AI is that it's going to be robots killing people, which is one part of it.

02:02:54.000 But the real problem is that the AI is going to be able to start hacking the human operating system.

02:03:00.000 And we kind of have already witnessed that with the Twitter bots.

02:03:07.000 You can produce the illusion of a majority opinion using bots.

02:03:15.000 Right now, you can at least kind of tell what the bots are.

02:03:19.000 You go back and look, and you realize the bot's been tweeting every five minutes, and it's got lists of people in it.

02:03:26.000 It's usually tweeting memes, and it seems to have been You'd have to chase it down if you just looked at the comments itself after a post.

02:03:32.000 Like, say, if you're someone who opposes President Trump, and they've got Trump bots that they use to go and attack someone who says anything bad about Trump, you would just see the overwhelming negative response versus positive response.

02:03:45.000 Yeah, well, yeah, but you could still I guess what I'm saying is like right now there's a way you can tell Something's a bot but as AI gets better, right?

02:03:53.000 You're gonna start seeing I've been thinking about this. 0.60

02:03:55.000 You're gonna start seeing these like basically social networking farmers so the idea is like I create a teenage bot and I figure out a way to get it to create its own Facebook account and For like, I don't know six years It just posts shit on its own Facebook account,

02:04:13.000 giving the illusion that this is a living thing.

02:04:15.000 Now, if I could do that with 7,000 of these teen bots, so now I have a bot swarm of 7,000 AIs that all have... 0.91

02:04:26.000 Facebook accounts, Twitter accounts, Instagram accounts, that they've been somehow populating with bullshit content for like seven years. 0.80

02:04:33.000 So now no one can really even tell if it's a person or not. 0.75

02:04:37.000 I've got a really super powerful weapon. 0.96

02:04:40.000 And so I think that's what's the real creepy thing with AI is, and you know, you've seen that shit that popped up on the internet, the ability, here's a road in the day. 0.97

02:04:49.000 Look, we just made it look like it's winter now. 0.97

02:04:51.000 We just made it look like it's nighttime now.

02:04:53.000 We just made it look like it's whatever, any time of year that we want.

02:04:57.000 It's going to get to the point where we can make a person look like they said anything.

02:05:01.000 And you're not going to be able to tell the difference.

02:05:03.000 And then on top of that...

02:05:04.000 That's here, by the way.

02:05:06.000 That's here.

02:05:06.000 Did you see the...

02:05:07.000 I think it was Radiolab or something that did a podcast about that?

02:05:10.000 It's not quite here.

02:05:10.000 It's close.

02:05:12.000 It's discernible.

02:05:13.000 But you're getting close.

02:05:15.000 So we're talking about reality.

02:05:16.000 Video and audio.

02:05:18.000 Yeah.

02:05:18.000 It's reality bombs where you're going to be able to bomb a culture with AI, produce the illusion of anything that you fucking want, whatever you want, and people are going to believe it.

02:05:31.000 But devil's advocate here. 0.51

02:05:33.000 Haven't we been doing that for a long time?

02:05:34.000 Isn't that what a laugh track is?

02:05:36.000 A studio audience?

02:05:37.000 Yeah.

02:05:37.000 You're creating the illusion of community of a bunch of people that believe a certain thing, that react certain ways, and that manipulates the hordes, right?

02:05:46.000 Bernays wrote about this in the 20s, about manipulating the masses.

02:05:49.000 And look at how effective it's already been in its rudimentary form.

02:05:53.000 Now imagine a super advanced form of that.

02:05:56.000 And what you're looking at is like one of the real problems of AI that maybe is more problematic than robots going so fast you have to use a strobe light to see them.

02:06:05.000 We're talking about people no longer...

02:06:08.000 If you believe that anything in the media...

02:06:12.000 We're on the internet is real or if you've been trying to like establish your concept of what the universe is or the world is based on the news based on The internet and people have been doing that for a long time with newspapers and shit Then we're gonna enter into a phase in human history where that is no longer necessarily a way for us to gauge what Reality actually is because we're not even gonna know fucking humans are creating the content We're not we're gonna get to a certain point in time.

02:06:40.000 We're not gonna know if someone's human Yeah.

02:06:43.000 That's it.

02:06:43.000 Blade Runner is a real thing.

02:06:45.000 Yeah.

02:06:45.000 That's going to happen.

02:06:46.000 Yeah.

02:06:46.000 That's not far away.

02:06:48.000 They have some pretty goddamn convincing robot heads now in Japan. 0.99

02:06:51.000 Sex robots. 0.99

02:06:52.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:06:52.000 Looking pretty good. 0.98

02:06:53.000 They don't look too bad.

02:06:54.000 And we're getting real close.

02:06:56.000 We're getting within 50 years away from an indiscernible artificial life form.

02:07:01.000 Yeah.

02:07:01.000 A buddy of mine had a wet dream recently.

02:07:04.000 He's in his 40s. 1.00

02:07:06.000 And he had a wet dream where he was having sex with two Asian sex robots. 1.00

02:07:11.000 Oh yeah, for sure. 1.00

02:07:12.000 Dude, did you watch Ex Machina?

02:07:14.000 That chick? 1.00

02:07:15.000 Even though you could see right through her legs, she was clear. 1.00

02:07:17.000 She had clear arms and shit. 1.00

02:07:18.000 You'd still fuck the shit up. 1.00

02:07:20.000 She's beautiful. 1.00

02:07:21.000 She was nice to you?

02:07:23.000 How do you know?

02:07:24.000 What is real?

02:07:24.000 I mean, if it interacts with you, if you're talking to it, it's real.

02:07:27.000 It's black mirror shit, man. 0.99

02:07:28.000 Yeah, but here's where it gets really interesting. 1.00

02:07:30.000 There's this mystic named Gurdjieff, and he called people spiritual machines.

02:07:36.000 And so his thing was like...

02:07:40.000 Most people already are robots or automatons in the sense that most people, when they're doing anything, whatever the thing is they're doing, it's imitation.

02:07:50.000 So when a person who's acting cool, usually the person who's acting cool Has learned that from something?

02:08:02.000 It's all imitation.

02:08:03.000 It's all autopilot already.

02:08:05.000 So most human beings, they're not even autonomous at all. 0.91

02:08:10.000 Most people will spend like three fucking days completely up in their heads Not even knowing where they're at. 0.99

02:08:18.000 I mean, I know I've been in that situation where like some time will pass and suddenly I'll be like, wait, what the fuck? 0.99

02:08:23.000 I've been in my head for three days straight. 0.99

02:08:26.000 I'm running on autopilot.

02:08:28.000 What's going on here, man?

02:08:29.000 That's like how many people are.

02:08:31.000 They wake up in the morning, they get their coffee, they get in their car, they go and do their thing, they come back, they go to bed, they barely even know what they're doing.

02:08:37.000 Yeah, momentum.

02:08:39.000 Momentum, right.

02:08:39.000 So we're already dealing with a kind of organic robot, a meat machine, that's barely even aware of what it's doing, you know, which is why I think, and I know you and I talk about Christ a lot.

02:08:51.000 I'm going to bring it up on your show again.

02:08:53.000 When Jesus is being crucified, I think one of the most poignant things in the New Testament is when Jesus is being crucified, he looks out and he says, Father, forgive them.

02:09:02.000 They know not what they do.

02:09:04.000 And a lot of people... 0.99

02:09:05.000 Interpret that as being like they don't know I'm Jesus But I think what he's really saying is they don't know what they're fucking doing man period period They're just on autopilot. 0.98

02:09:15.000 They don't know what they're not. 0.98

02:09:17.000 They're barely sentient termites in the mound now Let's think about what we were talking about earlier when we're talking about 50 year olds.

02:09:26.000 He's trying to grab it.

02:09:27.000 No, no I didn't know if you were passing it. 0.99

02:09:28.000 Yeah Give him some of that shit We're talking about 50 year old movies, you know, those old movies where men smacked women and grabbed them and how you're seeing these big changes in the way people behave. 0.99

02:09:41.000 Now let's go 2,000 years ago. 0.99

02:09:44.000 Let's go way back before written things, right?

02:09:48.000 And let's go back before anybody knew how to write things down or read and let's imagine.

02:09:53.000 Like what is that, 10,000 years ago, 15,000?

02:09:56.000 About eight for writing, rudimentary writing.

02:10:00.000 It's all insane.

02:10:01.000 If you really think about the amount of raw change that's happening in our life, Just what's going on right now with this whole Me Too movement, the sexual harassment and sexual assault, you know, outing of all these predators.

02:10:16.000 All this stuff that's happening now is like accelerated evolution.

02:10:24.000 It's like accelerated cultural compatibility, like accelerated understanding of...

02:10:30.000 And it's almost like a new...

02:10:34.000 A new, like, version of equality. 0.99

02:10:37.000 Because it used to be that, like, you could fuck your employee because your employee couldn't say anything. 0.99

02:10:42.000 Right. 1.00

02:10:43.000 Right?

02:10:43.000 They couldn't do anything.

02:10:44.000 Well, now they can.

02:10:44.000 Now everybody can.

02:10:45.000 And now other people find out about you.

02:10:47.000 And now it becomes an issue.

02:10:48.000 Yeah.

02:10:49.000 It's all forced.

02:10:50.000 And so now we're going to change the way we think about behaving now.

02:10:53.000 And our standards are going to change.

02:10:54.000 Because our standards have radically changed from a thousand years ago.

02:10:57.000 Radically changed from two thousand years ago.

02:11:00.000 And radically changed from the 1950s.

02:11:01.000 If you look at the 1950s and we see it...

02:11:05.000 Uniquely so in the 1950s is that we can see it in the form of mainstream media.

02:11:11.000 Films.

02:11:12.000 You could read about it in books, but seeing it visually in films is so shocking and stunning and you see just the way people interacted with each other and you just think about if someone from like 1950 tried to exist today, it would be hilarious.

02:11:26.000 It would be hilarious just watching them try to interact with everybody with phones and all this stuff.

02:11:30.000 They literally would be like a person from a foreign world. 0.94

02:11:34.000 Right.

02:11:34.000 That's going to be us a hundred years from now.

02:11:38.000 A hundred years from now, this world will be indiscernible.

02:11:41.000 The technology is like literally a Yellowstone about to blow up the entire country.

02:11:48.000 Literally about to super volcano the whole world and no one is prepared for the consequences.

02:11:54.000 We just assume that the paradigms that exist today are going to remain and that it's just going to get better.

02:11:59.000 It'll be easier to text people.

02:12:01.000 No, no, no.

02:12:02.000 This paradigm did not exist 2,000 years ago.

02:12:05.000 The world, the way we operate and communicate and even get around.

02:12:10.000 How about the way we get around? 0.95

02:12:11.000 How about this hard surface and these metal boxes with rubber tires that now fucking drive themselves? 0.73

02:12:16.000 I mean, we're at We're in the middle of it, but we're also at the gate to, like, insanity. 0.95

02:12:24.000 That's right.

02:12:24.000 Like, pure, absolute, world-changing insanity from DNA with CRISPR. They've just started injecting it into live people now.

02:12:32.000 Some guy with some incurable disease allowed them to guinea pig on him. 0.99

02:12:35.000 What if he gets fucking cured, right? 0.97

02:12:37.000 What if people figure out a way to get smarter? 0.99

02:12:39.000 What if they develop CRISPR telekinesis modules where they can insert them into your fucking head and it works off your own body's electricity? 0.99

02:12:47.000 Yes. 0.98

02:12:48.000 And they never run bad, and we all talk to each other through our minds.

02:12:51.000 And then in school, they have to teach kids a new language, a universal language that's not phonetically based.

02:12:58.000 So people stop talking, so our heads grow big like aliens, our mouths shriver up just like the aliens.

02:13:03.000 That's what the alien, that's what that archetype is.

02:13:06.000 That alien archetype is like what we know we're going to look like if we keep going.

02:13:11.000 We're all going to be a merge of colors because that's problematic. 0.99

02:13:14.000 All that dick stuff, that shit just gets in the way, dude. 1.00

02:13:18.000 Your dick stuff's now all in your brain. 1.00

02:13:20.000 Sure. 1.00

02:13:21.000 This is what McKenna talked about.

02:13:23.000 What did he say?

02:13:24.000 Octopus, all the limbs, the ability it has to communicate with body language is so much more profound than us.

02:13:31.000 It's like, yeah, not only are we not going to have this form, we're going to be able to decide any form we want.

02:13:36.000 Any form.

02:13:37.000 Anything you want to be. 1.00

02:13:38.000 You want to be a fucking octopus? 1.00

02:13:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:13:40.000 Theoretically, you could be an octopus if we get to that point.

02:13:46.000 Without nuking ourselves?

02:13:47.000 Without nuking ourselves, or without actual Yellowstone, or without sending out...

02:13:52.000 Maybe we just haven't produced...

02:13:54.000 We always are scanning the skies for radio signals, or that's what we used to do, but maybe we haven't even produced a signal that an advanced civilization would identify as being something that would come from a civilization And the moment we do it, the moment somebody at CERN or somebody at DARPA produces some kind of beam that emanates from the planet,

02:14:15.000 it just summons just a fucking legion of crafts that just want to enslave us, you know? 0.99

02:14:23.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

02:14:24.000 It's just like the first little like bloop and then they're ready.

02:14:28.000 Harvest them.

02:14:29.000 The weirdest thoughts that I've ever had about interacting with other aliens or other life forms from another planet is not that it's a signal.

02:14:36.000 It's not that like you like but you can go to a place.

02:14:47.000 Yeah.

02:14:48.000 Yeah.

02:15:01.000 It's all tied in together.

02:15:03.000 There's this really rudimentary, crude, physical distance space that we operate in on a daily basis.

02:15:11.000 As advanced as we are for Earth, we're still fairly low level in terms of The ability to spring forth an entire universe from something the size of the head of a pin, which is what the Big Bang is, right?

02:15:22.000 So some insanely complex webbing of just insane distance plus potential life forms and different styles of life that could exist on all these different planets.

02:15:35.000 Hundreds of billions of known galaxies in the universe that's so big Lawrence Krauss tried to explain to me the size of the universe and he changed the way I looked at it because he said it's not that we know for sure that the universe is 13.7 billion years old but that's as far back as we can see with what we have now and he was saying that time That he was trying to make some distinction between the amount of time it would take to

02:16:05.000 go back more than 13.7 billion years and that time literally moves faster than that.

02:16:13.000 And that you can't detect it after work.

02:16:16.000 We're very limited in our ability to detect things after a certain space.

02:16:20.000 So he's not like necessarily the universe is only 13.7 billion years old.

02:16:24.000 It might be infinitely old.

02:16:27.000 It's like that's as far as we can see with our flashlight, so we assume that's all there is.

02:16:31.000 They have to operate on what they can prove now, right?

02:16:34.000 So this is what they're saying.

02:16:35.000 What we can prove now is that the light we're getting is 13.7 billion years old, or the radio waves that indicate that there was some sort of an explosion.

02:16:44.000 But all of it is like super sketchy, man.

02:16:47.000 They're all writing things down on little legal notepads.

02:16:50.000 They're all agreeing with the math and looking at it. 0.96

02:16:52.000 And they're way fucking smarter than me, so they probably write about a lot of stuff.

02:16:56.000 But it's entirely possible that just we don't have the ability to detect how much further it actually goes back. 0.99

02:17:03.000 This whole faulty assumption of this initial beginning of the universe might be bullshit.

02:17:09.000 There might literally not have ever been a beginning.

02:17:12.000 Because it has always been here.

02:17:14.000 Well, in my area, they've been saying anatomically modern human beings have existed for 200,000 years.

02:17:19.000 That's what everybody, including me, writes in the books.

02:17:22.000 That's the accepted wisdom.

02:17:24.000 A couple months ago, they found remains in Morocco that seemed to be about 300,000 years old that appear to be from anatomically modern humans.

02:17:31.000 So it's like, oh!

02:17:33.000 Well, so when you say something goes back, well, you've had Graham Hancock on a lot, right?

02:17:38.000 When you say something goes back a certain amount of time, often what you're saying is that's how far back we found something, or that we can detect it in the case of the space exploration.

02:17:47.000 Insane.

02:17:48.000 And here's what's really insane.

02:17:49.000 Let's give them the benefit of the doubt.

02:17:51.000 Let's go half a million.

02:17:52.000 That's nothing!

02:17:54.000 It's a blink of an eye!

02:17:55.000 A half a million years ago, we were literally some kind of ape thing.

02:17:59.000 Half a million years ago, right?

02:18:01.000 When were we Australiapithecus?

02:18:02.000 Two million years ago?

02:18:06.000 You know, I stick with anatomically modern humans, which is why that really jumps out at me.

02:18:11.000 But yeah, I'm not real clear on Australopithecus and Cro-Magnon.

02:18:16.000 I know Neanderthals lived up to about 40,000 years ago and interbred with humans.

02:18:22.000 How crazy is that one? 0.89

02:18:23.000 So that means there was some sort of like cultures, there was some sort of like villages and shit back then. 0.98

02:18:29.000 Now stop and think how crazy that is. 0.93

02:18:31.000 And we're talking about like Mesopotamia or Sumer or Iraq.

02:18:35.000 We're talking about these incredibly advanced for the time civilizations that are like the oldest known modern style civilizations.

02:18:43.000 They're only 6,000 years old.

02:18:45.000 Yeah, I know.

02:18:45.000 It's crazy.

02:18:46.000 It's so crazy.

02:18:47.000 And the other thing, I actually had an idea for a book, which the rate I write, I'll never live to write it, but the idea is to look at the known unknowns in science, right?

02:18:58.000 Because there are things that are, you elucidated an example earlier, where it's like, look, that's how far we can detect.

02:19:04.000 That doesn't mean that's how far it is.

02:19:06.000 So we know we don't know that.

02:19:07.000 There's a lot of arrogance in the assumption that we have all the data when it comes to the civilizations, too.

02:19:13.000 Like, how old they are.

02:19:14.000 When you're going into 6,000 years, you're not getting a lot of stuff.

02:19:19.000 When you go 4,000 years before that, you're getting way less stuff.

02:19:22.000 You go 4,000 years before that, you might not have any stuff left.

02:19:25.000 I mean, there might be some shards of metal that you can't explain, and you can't carbon date those anyway, right?

02:19:31.000 A rock you can't carbon date.

02:19:33.000 You need physical things, like living, right?

02:19:36.000 You need wood or food.

02:19:38.000 Oh, for carbon.

02:19:39.000 Carbon dating, yeah.

02:19:40.000 Is that how they're doing it still?

02:19:41.000 No, I think there's some other isotope that they're using that they don't need the carbon.

02:19:47.000 But the carbon is accepted, and the other one's quite new. 0.96

02:19:50.000 It's pretty fucking crazy that we're so smart. 0.89

02:19:53.000 Not us, obviously. 0.98

02:19:54.000 But someone out there...

02:19:56.000 It's so smart.

02:19:57.000 They can take a piece of something and tell you roughly how old it is. 1.00

02:20:02.000 That's fucking nuts. 0.92

02:20:03.000 And apparently it gets a little screwy in places where there's higher levels of carbon and there's some weirdness to it, especially initially when it was first invented. 0.99

02:20:12.000 But just the fact that it exists, that someone can say, oh, well, we found out that the dinosaurs died 65 million years ago.

02:20:19.000 You're like, what? 0.97

02:20:20.000 How the fuck do you know that? 1.00

02:20:22.000 How the fuck did you figure that out, man? 1.00

02:20:24.000 Trust me. 1.00

02:20:25.000 How the fuck did you figure that out? 0.96

02:20:27.000 And meanwhile, probably a hundred years from now, they'll have something that'll tell you the day the asteroid hit. 0.99

02:20:34.000 They'll show you like a model of the Yucatan before and after.

02:20:38.000 You'll be able to watch it with HTC Vive, put it over your head.

02:20:41.000 You'll be able to literally watch an accurate representation of that giant, what was it, five miles wide?

02:20:47.000 Yeah, the crater?

02:20:49.000 Yeah, the actual asteroid itself that killed all the dinosaurs.

02:20:52.000 I want to say it was five miles wide, but I might be making that up.

02:20:56.000 Imagine a five-mile-wide city slamming into the Earth going 45,000 miles an hour from space, and you could watch it all take place in virtual reality.

02:21:06.000 That's going to happen.

02:21:08.000 You're going to be able to see it. 1.00

02:21:09.000 You're going to be able to literally witness the people coming off the Mayflower and clubbing Native Americans and raping them and killing them. 1.00

02:21:16.000 You will be able to literally see. 1.00

02:21:18.000 Westworld.

02:21:18.000 Have you seen Westworld?

02:21:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:21:21.000 It's intense.

02:21:22.000 But I mean, I think that they're going to be able to recreate things.

02:21:27.000 As computing power gets more and more power, the only real problem would be things that are prehistorical, in terms of cultural things.

02:21:35.000 Maybe not physical animal things, but as far as things that people did or didn't do, because they vary so much.

02:21:40.000 It would be so hard to pin down without real, accurate images and videos.

02:21:45.000 But from here on out?

02:21:48.000 From here on out, they're going to be able to have recreations of things that happen that are going to be indistinguishable.

02:21:55.000 They have images of all of us.

02:21:56.000 Everybody has a Facebook page.

02:21:58.000 Everybody has a picture of you.

02:22:00.000 So the 300 billion, whatever it'll be in 100 years, 320 million people that exist in this country right now, there's probably a picture of everybody.

02:22:10.000 That was not the case 100 years ago, right?

02:22:12.000 Yeah, sure.

02:22:13.000 In the future, there's going to be some sort of a three-dimensional version of you that you use as an avatar in your 3D games, and that's going to look exactly like you, and they're going to be able to make something that literally recreates moments in your life.

02:22:27.000 Well, they're going to be able to take your social thumbprint, they're going to be able to, theoretically, Yeah.

02:22:31.000 They could scan all your Instagram posts, your Facebook posts, all your tweets, even your podcasts, analyze your voice, get an idea of your personality, construct some kind of massive amount of data, feed it to an AI, say, create a personality based on this person, here's their picture,

02:22:48.000 animate the picture, and now you've cloned yourself, and AI is basically imbued All the data that exists in you has been used to imbue an image of you with your personality, and now you are living in some kind of simulator, which means that you're going to be able to – anyone who has ever had their picture taken and has some kind of data out there to establish some kind of personality,

02:23:11.000 you're going to be able to use that to make – To simulate individuals that have lived in the past.

02:23:18.000 And dude, it's going to get really interesting ethically. 0.87

02:23:20.000 Because it's like, alright, let me fucking take like... 0.89

02:23:23.000 I don't know. 0.94

02:23:24.000 Who's somebody out there with like a huge social...

02:23:26.000 Let me take Taylor Swift, right?

02:23:28.000 I'm going to take her.

02:23:29.000 I'm going to have my...

02:23:31.000 AI produce a mini Taylor Swift, and I'm going to drop her into a simulated reality filled with fire-breathing scorpions to see what Taylor Swift would do if she was running through some doom simulator. 1.00

02:23:45.000 And they're going to have to come up with laws about this, which is like, you can't duplicate without permission.

02:23:52.000 We've talked about that on the podcast before with robots.

02:23:55.000 We were like, what's going to stop you from making a replica of, say, Jennifer Lopez for a sex robot?

02:24:00.000 It looks exactly like Jennifer Lopez. 1.00

02:24:02.000 And is that a violation of her? 0.99

02:24:04.000 You go over, you know, you go to the store and you could literally buy a Jennifer Lopez fuck doll. 1.00

02:24:09.000 It looks indistinguishable. 1.00

02:24:10.000 You take it home and you fuck Jennifer Lopez. 1.00

02:24:12.000 Well, more than likely, it's going to be, you're going to have some kind of like... 0.99

02:24:16.000 What you would have, I guess, would be some kind of generic-looking fuck doll, but you put AI goggles on or augmented reality goggles on, it projects whoever you want onto this thing. 0.99

02:24:28.000 So it's like you don't even go buy a fuck doll based on a celebrity. 0.98

02:24:32.000 You would just have some kind of, like, basically a screen in the form of an android that your augmented reality would project a person onto that. 0.99

02:24:42.000 It's like being in love.

02:24:44.000 Yeah.

02:24:46.000 Projecting your ideal person onto someone else. 0.96

02:24:49.000 That's where it gets really fucking weird.

02:24:50.000 That's the other thing that you're going to be able to do is you're going to be able to sit across from someone and project onto them anyone that you want. 0.95

02:24:59.000 Oh my god.

02:25:00.000 You could be talking to Winston Churchill instead of your girlfriend.

02:25:04.000 Exactly.

02:25:04.000 And then you and I could co-project something onto Joe.

02:25:08.000 It could be like a game we'd play together.

02:25:11.000 Yeah.

02:25:11.000 Well, especially if we all decided to live in virtual reality.

02:25:14.000 If we spent most of our time alone in a room, but we felt like we were all hanging out together.

02:25:19.000 Yeah.

02:25:20.000 If the feeling is indistinguishable than being in a physical location.

02:25:24.000 Right.

02:25:24.000 I mean, there's going to be a lot of that going on, man.

02:25:26.000 Then you don't need a body anymore.

02:25:28.000 We're going to get super close to the alien thing, man.

02:25:30.000 We're going to engineer big giant heads.

02:25:32.000 We're all going to exist in there.

02:25:34.000 There's going to be HTC vibes built.

02:25:36.000 There's no more atmosphere.

02:25:37.000 We're going to blow out the atmosphere, so we have built-in sunglasses.

02:25:39.000 That's why the aliens have the big black eyes.

02:25:41.000 Those are like built-in Ray-Ban Wayfarers.

02:25:44.000 That's what they are.

02:25:46.000 Yeah, dude, I think it's...

02:25:48.000 Brought to you by Ray-Ban Wayfarers.

02:25:51.000 They have skin that doesn't get cancer.

02:25:52.000 It's bulletproof.

02:25:53.000 They figured that out.

02:25:54.000 Don't you think this is, like, when you smoke DMT, and I've never smoked DMT, and I never would do any illegal psychedelic, but let's say that I had recently done it at, like, I don't know, Burning Man, where no one's doing drugs there anymore,

02:26:10.000 but let's say that I'd done it there, but...

02:26:14.000 People are so confused.

02:26:16.000 Back in the old days, it was better. 0.99

02:26:19.000 So making up that I had had that, I had a crazy experience, man, where I looked down after drinking this very strong mint tea, and I saw this fucking... 0.99

02:26:33.000 I don't know. 0.98

02:26:34.000 It looked kind of like a cow or something, but it had this long neck with a technological lantern hanging off of it.

02:26:44.000 I'm looking at that thing, and what's interesting about DMT is you look away. 0.99

02:26:49.000 And you look back, that fucking thing's still there, man. 0.99

02:26:51.000 It's just right there. 1.00

02:26:52.000 I'm like, what the fuck? 0.99

02:26:53.000 Got sucked through this tube into this beautiful, beautiful domed structure. 1.00

02:27:03.000 Oh, man.

02:27:04.000 Man, it was so pretty.

02:27:05.000 And it was spinning with potential.

02:27:08.000 It's just pure potentiality.

02:27:09.000 And I'm looking at this incredible thing.

02:27:12.000 It's technology for sure.

02:27:14.000 I mean, whatever this was, the way my brain was interpreting it is like, this is technology.

02:27:18.000 Like I'm looking at some kind of super advanced simulator or some kind of machine that is like simulating realities.

02:27:25.000 And I'm looking at it.

02:27:26.000 It's like, my God, it's just so much potential here.

02:27:28.000 But I thought to myself, I'm gonna miss my friends if I have to hang out in this place because the Interesting thing about DMT is that there's a sense of I've heard other people report this a sense of incredible Familiarity where you're like I have been here.

02:27:44.000 In fact, this is home Yeah, and then you realize the feeling of coming home is actually this is that it's not even close to the feeling of being at home here and I'm looking around at this and thinking Yeah, but my friends, my friends, what about all my friends?

02:27:58.000 I'm gonna, in this space, I'm gonna miss them.

02:28:00.000 And that thing, it doesn't talk to you, but it's like, might as well be a voice.

02:28:03.000 It's like, oh, oh, you can always go back there.

02:28:06.000 And then I open my eyes, and I'm back at Burning Man, hanging out with my friends. 0.99

02:28:11.000 And that's when I realized, oh, fuck, I get reincarnation, man, I get it. 0.99

02:28:16.000 This thing you're talking about, the simulator that is going to happen, sometimes, after having taken psychedelics, you think, no, no, no, it's already fucking happened. 0.99

02:28:24.000 And this thing that we're in right now, our lives, the idea of reincarnation is you die, and then you become a goat or something crazy like that, a larva, a slug.

02:28:34.000 But what if it's that you die, you pop into that DMT realm, and you get to jump back into your life at any frame of your life that you want to? 0.84

02:28:43.000 You can actually repopulate your life or reincarnate your life at any moment.

02:28:48.000 So you die, you become the universal superintelligence, and then you gaze back into what happened.

02:28:55.000 And usually it's like in Buddhism, they say, the cause of suffering is attachment. 0.96

02:29:00.000 You're attached to that life, this thing you just were, this fucking interdimensional temporal worm that burrowed through time with every action that you took. 0.98

02:29:08.000 But I don't want to die. 0.99

02:29:10.000 Yeah, well, you're like, I want to go back.

02:29:12.000 Right.

02:29:12.000 I want to go back to this moment right now when I was podcasting with my pals, doing a shrimp parade, and then boom!

02:29:18.000 There you are.

02:29:19.000 You're back.

02:29:19.000 Back in your life.

02:29:20.000 So in any given moment, you could be reincarnating a million fucking times. 0.99

02:29:25.000 You could just be like always coming back to any frame of your life that you want. 0.98

02:29:30.000 Anyway, this is what came to me out there in the desert, and I was thinking, oh, I get it.

02:29:33.000 It's not like you reincarnate into other life forms.

02:29:36.000 You keep repeating your life, but it's not a circle.

02:29:39.000 It's a spiral, hopefully, because each time you can improve a little bit more. 0.99

02:29:44.000 You can improve a little bit more, make decisions that you normally wouldn't make, which is why, like, at any given moment, You know the big moments that come when you're around somebody and you're about to say some shitty fucking thing to them? 0.97

02:29:56.000 You know your enemy, whoever it may be. 0.99

02:29:58.000 That moment where you're about to do the fucking thing you always do. 0.99

02:30:02.000 And you can feel it. 0.99

02:30:03.000 You feel this gravitational pull to the habituation.

02:30:06.000 And in that moment, you're like, you don't say the shitty thing.

02:30:09.000 In that moment, you discipline yourself. 0.90

02:30:11.000 You control yourself.

02:30:12.000 You don't do the thing you've always done, whatever it is.

02:30:15.000 And in that moment, your life spirals up a little bit.

02:30:18.000 And now you're existing in like a completely new, essentially a new universe.

02:30:24.000 A higher plan.

02:30:24.000 What?

02:30:25.000 You hit a higher plan.

02:30:26.000 Yes!

02:30:26.000 Exactly.

02:30:27.000 I mean, that's kind of, in a way, it replicates what you talk about sometimes on your social media, I see on your Instagram, like taming the inner bitch. 0.99

02:30:35.000 You had a thing the other day, it was like, you know, I really did not want to do this today, you know, I got up, you know, after you did a show the night before, whatever, and you did it, and at the end of it, by doing that thing you didn't want to do, or not doing the thing you do want to do, conversely, 0.76

02:30:51.000 you do move to a higher level.

02:30:52.000 You feel way better. 0.83

02:30:53.000 And that thing you Instagrammed, which I think is a super cool thing that you do, because I think a lot of people need to think, yeah, man, I can fucking anytime I want. 0.76

02:31:05.000 I could just start jogging.

02:31:07.000 Yeah, and you could.

02:31:09.000 Like, really, you could.

02:31:10.000 You just start doing it.

02:31:11.000 You don't even have to be good at it.

02:31:13.000 You don't have to do anything.

02:31:14.000 Just make sure you do it.

02:31:16.000 If you just do that, everything changes for the better.

02:31:18.000 And that seems so easy. 0.93

02:31:19.000 It seems so ridiculous.

02:31:20.000 But you need to hear people say it, and you need to hear someone say it who actually does it. 0.96

02:31:25.000 Yes.

02:31:25.000 Now, that, you know, Rupert Sheldrake, I think you might...

02:31:28.000 Yeah, I've had him on.

02:31:29.000 Oh, cool.

02:31:30.000 Okay, so you know his idea of the run-all and the time-space?

02:31:32.000 He calls it a run-all, basically.

02:31:34.000 So that feeling... 0.99

02:31:36.000 When you're like, fuck, I'm not gonna go running. 1.00

02:31:38.000 You're not just feeling your own, like, you know, lack of ambition or laziness. 0.99

02:31:43.000 You're literally feeling, now again, I don't believe this, it's just like a thought experiment or whatever, but you're literally feeling the gravitational pull of infinite lifetimes where in that moment you decided not to go running.

02:31:55.000 You're actually feeling like the track that you've carved deep into the time-space continuum by every time that moment appears. 0.88

02:32:02.000 You keep making, so when you actually do go, I'm gonna go, fuck, You're kind of climbing out of this trench that you've dug into time over countless incarnations.

02:32:13.000 And when you do that and you're out there running, you're like in a new dimension now. 1.00

02:32:18.000 You're like, what the fuck? 0.98

02:32:19.000 This is the dimension where I decided to go running. 0.99

02:32:21.000 And then that's why everything starts changing a little bit when you make these decisions.

02:32:26.000 Big life-changing moves.

02:32:28.000 Yeah.

02:32:28.000 Those are good for you.

02:32:29.000 And for some people, going out jogging?

02:32:31.000 Can be a life-changing move.

02:32:33.000 It doesn't have to be some spectacular thing.

02:32:35.000 It could be as simple as like...

02:32:37.000 Taking a yoga class.

02:32:38.000 Deciding you're going to take a yoga class twice a week or three times a week can change your life.

02:32:42.000 Calling someone who you've said some shitty thing to because they did something wrong.

02:32:49.000 And being the bigger person apologizing. 0.99

02:32:51.000 Instead of holding that stupid grudge, calling them up and being like, hey, I'm sorry. 1.00

02:32:56.000 I was fucking mad. 1.00

02:32:58.000 I love you. 0.98

02:32:59.000 You're great. 1.00

02:33:00.000 Instead of carrying on with this stupid, angry war. 1.00

02:33:04.000 Carousel. 1.00

02:33:05.000 Yeah, the carousel. 0.87

02:33:06.000 Anytime you make decisions like that, things get fucking better so fast. 0.72

02:33:11.000 I don't know if you've noticed that.

02:33:13.000 I've noticed synchronicities start happening more.

02:33:16.000 Good luck starts happening more.

02:33:18.000 Interesting things start happening more.

02:33:21.000 I think we fight against ourselves sometimes, accidentally. 0.68

02:33:25.000 When I was young, I would have an interaction with someone, and then I would always imagine what they were going to say when we talked again, and then I would imagine me talking shit to them, and then I would imagine them getting upset at me and having a delusional perspective.

02:33:41.000 I would play out this weird play in my mind. 0.94

02:33:45.000 And then when I was in my 20s, I started to realize how preposterous it was.

02:33:50.000 It took me that long.

02:33:51.000 And I realized, like, I'm wasting all this time.

02:33:54.000 And I didn't realize other people did until I talked to my friend Brian once, and he was saying the same thing.

02:34:00.000 I go, you have arguments with people that aren't there. 0.99

02:34:02.000 All the fucking time. 1.00

02:34:03.000 All the fucking time. 1.00

02:34:04.000 I have arguments in my head with people that weren't there. 1.00

02:34:06.000 That's like sometimes you'll have a conversation with someone about something and then you both immediately are relieved and start laughing because you're both expecting the other person to be super mad and come in like an asshole. 0.94

02:34:17.000 But meanwhile, you both apologize and then it just goes away and then everybody feels way better. 0.98

02:34:22.000 Way better.

02:34:23.000 Conflict is stupid. 1.00

02:34:25.000 What's not stupid is exercising out all the anxiety that your body possesses that it creates conflict in the first place. 0.99

02:34:33.000 Whether it's exercising it through meditation or through taking a yoga class or doing something physical that just gives you...

02:34:40.000 Some relief of stress because you exert yourself.

02:34:43.000 It doesn't have to be anything crazy. 0.99

02:34:44.000 Fucking going on a nice hike. 0.99

02:34:45.000 You go on a nice hike. 1.00

02:34:46.000 You get to see things and you feel better.

02:34:48.000 Like you're walking.

02:34:50.000 The blood starts pumping through your brain.

02:34:52.000 You come up with great ideas when you hike.

02:34:54.000 You know, it's like all these things are just little incremental steps that every one of us can take.

02:34:59.000 And you do that and it changes everything.

02:35:01.000 Then you be nicer to people.

02:35:03.000 That changes everything too.

02:35:04.000 And it helps you to be nicer if you have control of your physical body.

02:35:08.000 That's it.

02:35:09.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:35:09.000 And, you know, the question that we were talking about earlier is like, what the fuck do we do about the lunatics out there? 0.99

02:35:15.000 Well, what you do, man, I mean, if you can, you start with the fucking lunatic that you're sitting in right now. 1.00

02:35:26.000 That's what you do, right? 1.00

02:35:27.000 Start with that lunatic. 0.99

02:35:32.000 That's what Ram Dass says. 0.97

02:35:35.000 We work on ourselves so we can help the people next to us.

02:35:38.000 And that's all you can do. 0.99

02:35:40.000 Because you can't do shit, man, to make another person. 0.98

02:35:43.000 You're not really going to do much to the other people around you. 0.99

02:35:46.000 They're going to do their own thing.

02:35:47.000 They're going to decide.

02:35:49.000 This is something I've been thinking. 1.00

02:35:52.000 Fucking Jesus. 0.99

02:35:54.000 Because a lot of people talk about miracles and stuff, especially in the camps I hang out with. 1.00

02:35:58.000 Duncan says, I've been thinking about fucking Jesus. 0.99

02:36:02.000 You shouldn't say that, man. 1.00

02:36:05.000 Freaking! 0.99

02:36:05.000 Say freaking, man! 0.99

02:36:07.000 That's a different thing. 0.99

02:36:09.000 Fucking Jesus, I would totally do it. 0.99

02:36:11.000 It's a different thing. 1.00

02:36:12.000 I bet you've already done it.

02:36:13.000 If you do DMT, I bet that's part of the experience.

02:36:16.000 Making love to the Christ?

02:36:17.000 You're having intercourse with the Christ. 0.72

02:36:19.000 It would be an honor. 0.98

02:36:20.000 Through all pores.

02:36:21.000 It would be an honor.

02:36:21.000 You go together like this.

02:36:23.000 You just merge.

02:36:24.000 You just merge.

02:36:25.000 You just merge.

02:36:26.000 You're on your knees again at the video store.

02:36:28.000 This guy, it's always dirty with him.

02:36:30.000 It can never be just psychedelic love. 0.90

02:36:32.000 It's erotic psychedelic love about Jesus, Joe.

02:36:35.000 It has to be on your knees, choking on Christ come. 0.71

02:36:38.000 Why not?

02:36:39.000 The host!

02:36:40.000 The original host! 0.94

02:36:42.000 You can guarantee that's going to be a sex simulator for sure. 0.93

02:36:45.000 Make love to Christ. 0.86

02:36:46.000 For sure.

02:36:47.000 For sure.

02:36:48.000 And the Virgin Mary.

02:36:50.000 Yeah.

02:36:50.000 She was hot.

02:36:51.000 These people, they talk about miracles a lot.

02:36:53.000 Guys, come on. 0.99

02:36:55.000 I'm trying to talk about fucking miracles here. 0.98

02:37:00.000 I'm obsessed with this fake Denise gal we created. 1.00

02:37:03.000 Denise! 1.00

02:37:04.000 No, these people, they talk about miracles a bunch. 1.00

02:37:08.000 And like, you know, having seen some of these fucking gurus do crazy shit. 1.00

02:37:13.000 But they always say, it doesn't matter. 1.00

02:37:16.000 Like, ultimately, these are just like fireworks, kind of.

02:37:19.000 It's just like tricks.

02:37:20.000 It's a firework.

02:37:20.000 Because like, the thing is, like, you could sit in front of someone and like levitate bottles in front of them.

02:37:27.000 Like, levitate a bunch of bottles, teleport across the room, come back, and then tell the person, you know, you're going to be a lot happier if you go jogging.

02:37:36.000 Like, someone could do that to me, and tomorrow I'm going to wake up, and I'm like, yeah, he levitated bottles.

02:37:41.000 He teleported across the room, then he told me I should go jogging.

02:37:45.000 I'll probably go tomorrow. 0.99

02:37:47.000 I'm not going to go fucking jogging! 0.99

02:37:48.000 I don't care that he teleported! 0.99

02:37:50.000 I don't care that he levitated!

02:37:51.000 So, the...

02:37:54.000 You know what I mean?

02:37:55.000 It doesn't matter.

02:37:57.000 So if a person who can levitate bottles probably isn't going to make you go jogging, then certainly you're not going to be able to talk to a person and be like, hey, you know, you're going to feel better if you do this.

02:38:09.000 All you can really do is look at yourself and be like, you know what? 0.95

02:38:14.000 I'm going to go fucking jogging. 0.97

02:38:15.000 This is a really good point. 0.98

02:38:16.000 What's your take on this in terms of like the miracles in the Bible?

02:38:20.000 Like some of the weirder ones, like walking on water.

02:38:23.000 Like what do you think that's about?

02:38:25.000 What do you think like even though the interpretation of those is kind of suspect, right?

02:38:30.000 Like isn't the walking on water is a weird one?

02:38:32.000 Because I think it has to do with translation and I think that it could be interpreted in other languages as walking by the water.

02:38:40.000 Like walking near the water could be thought of as levitating and walking on water.

02:38:45.000 It's all in the preposition, man. 0.98

02:38:46.000 Yeah, it's so hard when you're going from ancient Hebrew and Aramaic and all this different shit. 0.93

02:38:51.000 But do you think that this, what you're saying is like that someone would do tricks to get you to listen to them? 0.87

02:38:57.000 Like you levitate things or walk on water or turn water into wine.

02:39:01.000 Or read minds.

02:39:02.000 Or Moses splits the sea.

02:39:04.000 Like what?

02:39:06.000 You know, I used to have a bit about that, where it was like, there'd be like 100 people standing behind him going, how long can he hold that? 0.99

02:39:14.000 What the fuck is he doing? 0.81

02:39:16.000 We have to walk across that? 1.00

02:39:18.000 Dude, that's going to take days.

02:39:20.000 I'm like, how's he doing that?

02:39:22.000 Magic? 1.00

02:39:22.000 Tell that silly motherfucker to use his magic and make us a boat. 1.00

02:39:26.000 This is crazy. 1.00

02:39:27.000 I'm not walking, it's a mile high of sea on one side, a mile high of the other, and you're just walking through the middle, just fucking dead fish flopping around in the middle, walls of water on either side. 0.85

02:39:38.000 Very humid.

02:39:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:39:40.000 Fuck that. 1.00

02:39:40.000 Well, I mean, that's all, you know, that's literal interpretations of something that's like way deeper than that. 1.00

02:39:46.000 Of course.

02:39:46.000 That has a lot of deeper meanings.

02:39:48.000 It's probably a, you know, it's a myth.

02:39:50.000 They're using these like encoded stories to try to get across something that's a lot bigger and that isn't about really walking on water maybe.

02:40:00.000 No, but I think that these, showing that the people that had all this knowledge also had magic tricks is very telling.

02:40:07.000 Like, the people that everybody would follow, they were able to do things, right?

02:40:12.000 Like, how about the guy who called upon a she-bear to kill these kids that were mocking him for being bald?

02:40:22.000 That's a story in the Bible.

02:40:24.000 That's in the Bible?

02:40:24.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:40:25.000 There was a man, I forget his name.

02:40:27.000 See if you can find that story.

02:40:29.000 He called upon a she-bear, and God brought down a she-bear to smite these children that were making fun of his balding. 0.91

02:40:38.000 I get it. 0.99

02:40:38.000 She-bear and she-ass. 0.99

02:40:40.000 Yeah, well, I think it was a female bear. 0.99

02:40:42.000 They would call it a she-bear back then. 0.99

02:40:46.000 I guess they would call it a sow, a sow-bear, but this bear killed the kids because they were making fun of him for being bald.

02:40:54.000 Yeah.

02:40:54.000 Like, what?

02:40:55.000 Like, you know, there again, you have to listen to this guy.

02:40:58.000 He's got magic. 0.98

02:40:59.000 He's able to conjure up beasts from the forest to kill mocking children. 0.98

02:41:04.000 Yeah. 0.67

02:41:04.000 They walk on water. 0.67

02:41:05.000 They turn water into one.

02:41:07.000 Here, why did God kill 42 lads merely for saying Elisha was bald?

02:41:14.000 42 lads.

02:41:14.000 That makes it worse somehow.

02:41:17.000 Lads is such a friendly word.

02:41:19.000 Well, let's read the verse.

02:41:20.000 Then he went up from there to Bethel and he was going up by the way. 0.79

02:41:23.000 Young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, Go up, you bald head! 0.90

02:41:28.000 Go up, you bald head! 0.90

02:41:30.000 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the Lord. 0.92

02:41:34.000 It doesn't say what he said.

02:41:35.000 The Lord's in all caps, too, by the way. 0.99

02:41:36.000 Like it's a fucking Twitter account. 0.99

02:41:38.000 Then two... 1.00

02:41:39.000 Yeah, Lord!

02:41:41.000 Lord!

02:41:42.000 Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up 42 lads of their number. 0.99

02:41:48.000 I thought it was two.

02:41:50.000 I didn't know it was 42. That's crazy.

02:41:52.000 That's a lot of lad.

02:41:53.000 I didn't know it was two bears either.

02:41:55.000 I thought it was one she-bear. 1.00

02:41:57.000 Wait, what is it?

02:41:58.000 So this is like actually exploring this.

02:42:00.000 Why would God allow two bears to kill 42 young lads?

02:42:03.000 And it's written by a guy named Matt Slick.

02:42:06.000 Oh, God.

02:42:07.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:42:07.000 He's probably doing porn right now. 0.99

02:42:09.000 And look what it says. 0.96

02:42:10.000 Let's take a look. 1.00

02:42:11.000 Bitch, you ain't taking a look at nothing. 1.00

02:42:13.000 You're just guessing. 1.00

02:42:14.000 Alicia was traveling from Jericho to Bethel when a group of young men verbally accosted him.

02:42:20.000 42 is a large number of people, and they were probably an organized group who had gone out to challenge Elisha.

02:42:25.000 Their mockery implied a malicious intent, especially when the culture of the time insisted on showing respect to their elders.

02:42:33.000 Furthermore, the statement, go up, you bald head, has cultural significance.

02:42:37.000 First of all, go up, in parenthesis, is probably a reference to Elisha's predecessor.

02:42:45.000 Elijah ascending to heaven.

02:42:46.000 In other words, they're stating that when Elisha gone...

02:42:50.000 Oh, they want Elisha gone.

02:42:51.000 Oh, this is just so ridiculously...

02:42:53.000 Yeah.

02:42:54.000 And since Elisha had gone on to the next world, the implication is they wanted Elisha dead.

02:42:59.000 Also, the epitaph baldhead was one of contempt in the east.

02:43:05.000 In quotes, applied to a person even with a bushy head of hair.

02:43:11.000 Lepers had to shave their heads.

02:43:12.000 Such a statement could easily have been deliberate and malicious insults, something dangerous in a mob.

02:43:17.000 Yeah.

02:43:19.000 This is such a weird interpretation of what it is. 1.00

02:43:21.000 Either way, you sent bears to kill people for mocking your fucking head. 1.00

02:43:25.000 So you're saying it's okay if they were being disrespectful that God would just call some bears? 1.00

02:43:31.000 This is the weirdest sort of a justification for attack by wild beasts.

02:43:36.000 The creator of the universe is using a wild beast to attack because someone hurt with words.

02:43:42.000 Have you read the book of Job?

02:43:45.000 It's a whopper, man.

02:43:47.000 So it's the story of this guy, Job, who's prosperous.

02:43:50.000 He's in love.

02:43:51.000 He's married.

02:43:52.000 He has three children and lots of animals and land.

02:43:55.000 Everything's going great.

02:43:56.000 And so up in heaven or in wherever they are, God and the devil are having a conversation.

02:44:03.000 And God is saying, look at how great I am, how everyone loves me.

02:44:07.000 And, you know, look at Job.

02:44:08.000 He loves me.

02:44:09.000 He worships all the time and all that.

02:44:11.000 And the devil says, well, of course he does because his life's so good.

02:44:14.000 Take away his sheep and see what he says.

02:44:18.000 And God's like...

02:44:20.000 All right, so he kills all Job's sheep, and Job goes to church and worships and no problem. 0.55

02:44:25.000 And then the devil's like, yeah, but if he took away the cows and the land there, then you'd see.

02:44:30.000 So God takes away the cows and the land, and it goes on and on until Job is totally destitute.

02:44:37.000 All of his family is dead.

02:44:39.000 He's sitting on an ash heap with boils all over his body.

02:44:43.000 That's how far God was willing to go to prove a point to the devil.

02:44:48.000 Jesus Christ.

02:44:49.000 Yeah, but remember the part that he...

02:44:50.000 And he continued to love God.

02:44:52.000 No, but the...

02:44:54.000 That's a crazy story.

02:44:57.000 Sorry, let me just finish.

02:44:58.000 So then God wins the bet, where he's tortured this dude, and he gives back twice as much as everything to Job to reward him.

02:45:09.000 So now he has 400 sheep and six children.

02:45:15.000 And it's like, so it didn't matter who those children were that you killed and the wife.

02:45:19.000 You just give him another wife and more children, you're better. 1.00

02:45:22.000 Maybe he had a little time machine.

02:45:23.000 Spun it all back.

02:45:24.000 I mean, he did create the universe. 0.99

02:45:26.000 He could do whatever the fuck he wants. 0.99

02:45:27.000 Do whatever the fuck he wants. 0.99

02:45:28.000 But that is kind of like the part in Job that's... 0.99

02:45:30.000 I mean, again, literally, yeah, it's fucking ridiculous, but it's not... 0.95

02:45:34.000 It's not supposed to be literal. 0.98

02:45:36.000 These are stories that are meant to, like, encompass the human predicament.

02:45:39.000 And, like, one of the cool things in there, isn't there this great line where Job is, like, questioning why he would...

02:45:45.000 Job is questioning him, too, or something.

02:45:46.000 He said something like...

02:45:47.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, they get into an argument.

02:45:49.000 But his response is something like, I created...

02:45:51.000 Yeah, where were you when I created the heavens and the earth?

02:45:54.000 Yeah, and that... 0.98

02:45:55.000 And this is, again, man, the fucking tone in... 0.98

02:46:00.000 This tribal desert religion is really harsh and patriarchal, but the message behind it is pretty similar to the Bhagavad Gita, which is this is a fucking battlefield where Krishna turns into The universal form, 0.99

02:46:16.000 this is the quote, Oppenheimer's quote, behold, I have become death, the destroyer of worlds. 0.97

02:46:23.000 And so it's a similar thing.

02:46:24.000 Both of these are saying, listen, tiny little human thing, all caught up in your life, so fixated on everything about you.

02:46:33.000 You exist within the infinite span of time.

02:46:37.000 A big bang, something like we were saying, longer than 13.7 billion years.

02:46:42.000 You tiny, tiny little thing.

02:46:44.000 You exist in something so infinitely gigantic and beautiful.

02:46:50.000 What do you think you control?

02:46:51.000 What do you think you really control? 1.00

02:46:53.000 You don't control shit. 1.00

02:46:55.000 Shit! 1.00

02:46:55.000 You don't control anything! 1.00

02:46:58.000 Really, it's more of like when we experience inevitable catastrophe in our lives. 1.00

02:47:04.000 And we're looking around and like, what the fuck, man? 0.99

02:47:07.000 What the fuck's wrong with the universe? 0.99

02:47:09.000 It's like, nothing's wrong with the universe. 0.99

02:47:12.000 Nothing's wrong with you.

02:47:13.000 Nothing's wrong with anything.

02:47:15.000 In fact, everything's perfect.

02:47:16.000 Just surrender to it. 0.96

02:47:17.000 Even if you're sitting in the goddamn ash pile covered in boils, if you just let go and surrender and drop the bitterness, Then you can, if nothing else, not suffer under the terrible weight of the resistance or feeling like a victim. 0.98

02:47:32.000 That's to me what I get out of Job, you know, from the non-literal level. 0.99

02:47:35.000 The literal level, it's like God's hanging out with Satan? 0.99

02:47:38.000 So they play poker and shit? 0.99

02:47:40.000 What does that mean? 0.99

02:47:42.000 Like, he just drops by.

02:47:44.000 Like, Satan sometimes just pops by wherever God lives.

02:47:47.000 And they make bets.

02:47:49.000 They make bets? 0.98

02:47:49.000 It's ridiculous. 0.98

02:47:50.000 And people suffer for God's bet. 0.95

02:47:53.000 Kind of like Fear Factor when you think about it.

02:47:54.000 No, you got paid for Fear Factor.

02:47:57.000 In fact, if you win, you made $50,000.

02:48:00.000 How far will you go, Job?

02:48:02.000 The government takes a piece out of someone winning Naked and Afraid, or any of those shows.

02:48:07.000 Government takes a piece.

02:48:08.000 That's crazy. 1.00

02:48:09.000 You're out there choking on bug dicks, trying to make a banana hammock out of literal banana leaves for your dick. 1.00

02:48:18.000 I love that show. 1.00

02:48:19.000 Fleas are biting you everywhere. 0.99

02:48:21.000 It's so ridiculous. 1.00

02:48:22.000 Those shows are so ridiculous. 1.00

02:48:23.000 It's amazing. 1.00

02:48:24.000 They haven't killed anybody.

02:48:25.000 It is. 0.99

02:48:26.000 How come nobody's gotten bitten by spiders and died or some shit? 0.98

02:48:29.000 Some people get super sick on the show. 0.99

02:48:31.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:48:32.000 Well, they eat fucked up things. 1.00

02:48:33.000 By the way, some of the stuff, if you eat things and don't cook them, those parasites can stay with you forever. 0.99

02:48:40.000 That's why I don't do sushi.

02:48:42.000 Sushi's not bad if you get ocean sushi.

02:48:45.000 But I've been told not to eat salmon.

02:48:48.000 Really?

02:48:49.000 Yeah.

02:48:49.000 Someone said that freshwater salmon.

02:48:51.000 The problem is salmon is a freshwater fish as well.

02:48:54.000 They migrate.

02:48:55.000 They go to ocean and they're susceptible to some parasites, apparently, that tuna and a lot of ocean-born fish isn't susceptible to.

02:49:05.000 Because I guess the parasites don't.

02:49:07.000 They just live way easier in freshwater, which makes sense, right?

02:49:13.000 Yeah, also the salmon stop eating and their metabolism changes once they get back to fresh water.

02:49:20.000 And so essentially they're dying from that point on.

02:49:23.000 So when you see them upstream, they're like zombies.

02:49:26.000 It's really gross.

02:49:27.000 Sushi is a really nutty thing when you stop and think about it, right?

02:49:30.000 Because here we are.

02:49:32.000 We're on these little land masses surrounded by blue.

02:49:37.000 As soon as you get to the edge, you realize how much blue there is. 0.97

02:49:39.000 You're like, holy shit, that's all water? 0.96

02:49:42.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

02:49:43.000 We're just so accustomed to it.

02:49:44.000 No big deal.

02:49:44.000 It's just water.

02:49:45.000 No, no, no.

02:49:46.000 This thing's mostly water.

02:49:48.000 We're on the dirt spots of this thing that's mostly water. 0.97

02:49:51.000 Yeah, what we do is we take these metal boxes and we float out there and we grab whatever's living and we scoop it up with nets and Fucking bring it in. 0.97

02:49:58.000 Bro, it's great. 0.92

02:49:59.000 We serve it with a little bit of jalapeno on the top and some ponzu sauce.

02:50:03.000 You're going to love it.

02:50:04.000 And we're just extracting the fish out of the water.

02:50:08.000 Just pulling them out.

02:50:10.000 It's the only thing like it in terms of the fact that we're not dealing with farmed animals.

02:50:17.000 We're scooping up wild animals.

02:50:19.000 We don't allow that anymore in the United States.

02:50:21.000 Like the United States, you used to have market hunting for buffalo and for elk and for deer.

02:50:26.000 You're not allowed to do that anymore.

02:50:27.000 That's illegal.

02:50:28.000 Now, wild game is wild.

02:50:30.000 But not wild fish.

02:50:31.000 Wild fish you can commercially farm.

02:50:34.000 You can commercially cultivate and harvest. 1.00

02:50:37.000 You go out there with giant fucking nets and just scoop up wild creatures in the middle of the ocean. 1.00

02:50:43.000 Because we don't have good regulations for the fucking ocean. 1.00

02:50:46.000 Throw away 80% of what you bring up that you've killed. 1.00

02:50:49.000 Oh, yeah. 0.93

02:50:50.000 Just throw it overboard.

02:50:51.000 And we're just draining that thing.

02:50:53.000 And it's wild.

02:50:55.000 It's a wild thing.

02:50:57.000 If anybody tried to propose that today with elk, someone said, we're just going to get nets and just run through the forest and gather up all the elk, and then we're going to sell it at the elk store. 1.00

02:51:07.000 You'd be like, the fuck you are. 1.00

02:51:09.000 Right. 1.00

02:51:09.000 The fuck you are, man. 1.00

02:51:10.000 Those things are wild. 1.00

02:51:12.000 And kill all the raccoons and squirrels and all the other shit. 0.99

02:51:15.000 So you're decimating the environment. 1.00

02:51:17.000 And monkeys.

02:51:18.000 You know, those nets are super – they work really hard, you know, pulling through all that water.

02:51:25.000 Two or three trips, they cut them loose.

02:51:27.000 They don't pull them back up to the boat and recycle them.

02:51:30.000 They cut them loose.

02:51:31.000 So oceans are full of drifting nets miles wide.

02:51:34.000 No! 1.00

02:51:35.000 Yeah, just going on and killing more and more shit until they finally sink. 1.00

02:51:39.000 No! 1.00

02:51:41.000 Yeah, because as you say, it's this kind of wilderness now where it's unregulated largely, and there's no way to look at it and see all that shit, you know? 1.00

02:51:50.000 Holy shit! 1.00

02:51:51.000 Yeah, it's really intense. 1.00

02:51:52.000 You just freaked me out.

02:51:54.000 Just thinking of the sheer numbers of nets drifting through the water and landing on the ground.

02:51:58.000 I know that because a friend of mine was working with a guy who, let's see if I remember this correctly, it's in Chile, I think.

02:52:04.000 Kyle, he's a surfer.

02:52:06.000 Goes around the world and does interesting research.

02:52:11.000 He was in Chile, and there was a guy starting a company that created a market for those nets to encourage the fishermen to bring them back, and then he recycled that nylon, because it's a pretty high-quality nylon.

02:52:24.000 So the whole idea is he's created a sustainable business selling these things made from the nylon that people know comes from the nylon.

02:52:32.000 Wow, this is crazy, man.

02:52:34.000 Ghost fishing.

02:52:36.000 Yeah.

02:52:37.000 So they just go around...

02:52:38.000 Oh, man.

02:52:40.000 Talking about sushi, I had a really traumatic experience with that in Alaska.

02:52:45.000 Have I told you guys this story?

02:52:47.000 No.

02:52:47.000 So I met this dude on the ferry going up, a really cool guy, Ed, from Oregon somewhere.

02:52:52.000 He was camping next to me on the deck of the...

02:52:56.000 Ferry boat.

02:52:57.000 And next to him was this really hot woman, Becca. 0.63

02:53:00.000 And Becca never changed her clothes in like three or four days on the ferry.

02:53:04.000 Really sexy, but never changed her clothes, never opened her backpack.

02:53:07.000 She had this huge backpack.

02:53:09.000 Finally, it turned out it was full of weed that she was smuggling from Hawaii up to Alaska.

02:53:15.000 Wow.

02:53:16.000 So Ed sort of fell in love with her.

02:53:17.000 We get to this town.

02:53:18.000 I bet.

02:53:19.000 Ed's like all into fishing.

02:53:21.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:53:22.000 She's got it all, man.

02:53:24.000 So anyway, he's super into fishing.

02:53:27.000 His dream his whole life has been to go to Alaska and fish.

02:53:31.000 He's got this super nice rod, carbon rod and all this stuff. 0.97

02:53:35.000 And I don't know shit about fishing.

02:53:37.000 But we're in Petersburg, Alaska, and we go out. 0.97

02:53:40.000 I walk out with him.

02:53:41.000 I'm a vegetarian, but anyway, first cast, he catches the salmon, big-ass salmon.

02:53:46.000 Brings it in, kills it with a rock and all that, and then another.

02:53:50.000 He's super happy. 0.98

02:53:51.000 It's his dream.

02:53:51.000 Everything's wonderful.

02:53:53.000 We go back to this campsite where we are, and there's like maybe 10 tents around in this campground and a central area with a fire and all that.

02:54:01.000 And he's so happy because he's going to...

02:54:04.000 Feed everybody.

02:54:05.000 He's got these three fish.

02:54:06.000 He's feeling great. 0.98

02:54:07.000 So he puts onions and shit inside and the foil and all that. 0.98

02:54:12.000 And everybody's hanging out. 0.95

02:54:14.000 Everybody's super happy.

02:54:15.000 He passes out the fish.

02:54:16.000 He's got his own.

02:54:17.000 The smaller one is for him.

02:54:18.000 Everyone else is sharing the other two.

02:54:20.000 And I'm sitting up behind him, looking over his shoulder, and I see movement in this fish.

02:54:29.000 And I'm like, hi, and we've been drinking, and it's firelight, but I'm pretty sure I see movement.

02:54:35.000 And I look closer over his shoulder, and there are all these tiny little white worms at the center of the fish that hadn't been cooked out.

02:54:44.000 And they're all just moving like cilia, right? 1.00

02:54:47.000 Oh, my God.

02:54:49.000 Have you had a bite already?

02:54:51.000 No, I'm a vegetarian at that point, right?

02:54:54.000 So I didn't eat any.

02:54:56.000 And it's like the best night of his life.

02:54:59.000 Oh my god.

02:55:00.000 And I gotta tell him.

02:55:02.000 Yes.

02:55:03.000 Right?

02:55:03.000 He's already eaten half the fish.

02:55:04.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:55:06.000 Yeah.

02:55:08.000 So I say, Ed, man, Ed, stop.

02:55:11.000 Look at this. 1.00

02:55:12.000 And he sees it and he's just like, oh, fuck. 1.00

02:55:14.000 He goes from the top of the world to the bottom. 1.00

02:55:16.000 Grabs this bottle of tequila, drinks half this bottle of tequila. 0.98

02:55:20.000 To kill it? 1.00

02:55:20.000 To try to kill what's in his stomach. 1.00

02:55:22.000 Does that work? 0.99

02:55:22.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:55:23.000 What a great idea.

02:55:25.000 Probably would work.

02:55:25.000 That guy's thinking.

02:55:26.000 Maybe it's just a good excuse to get fucked up. 1.00

02:55:28.000 Whatever, stub my toe. 1.00

02:55:29.000 Give me that tequila, quick. 1.00

02:55:31.000 Got fired? 1.00

02:55:32.000 Fuck, give me that tequila. 1.00

02:55:33.000 Quick. 1.00

02:55:34.000 Whatever happens, go for the tequila.

02:55:37.000 I need a half a bottle of tequila on the double.

02:55:40.000 Well, tequila means cure-all in Spanish.

02:55:42.000 Really?

02:55:43.000 Oh, man. 1.00

02:55:47.000 Yeah, that's the worms are fucking scary shit, man. 1.00

02:55:50.000 That guy that the guy who escaped North Korea They found enormous tapeworms in his body. 1.00

02:55:56.000 They said his body was like I think they described it like as a toy that had been broken Like it was just broken like all over the place like legs are broken bones are broken His insides are filled with parasites.

02:56:09.000 He got shot like four times or something.

02:56:12.000 Yeah, he got shot four times.

02:56:13.000 The whole thing is horrific, man. 1.00

02:56:14.000 That poor fucking guy, man. 1.00

02:56:16.000 That poor fucking guy. 1.00

02:56:18.000 For a dude who's falling apart, he gets shot four times and he keeps running? 1.00

02:56:22.000 Yeah.

02:56:23.000 That's how bad he wanted to get free.

02:56:25.000 I guess.

02:56:26.000 You know?

02:56:27.000 The video's amazing.

02:56:28.000 Have you seen it?

02:56:29.000 No, I haven't seen the video.

02:56:30.000 It's amazing.

02:56:31.000 It's just making this run for it, and they're jumping out of the car, and they're shooting him at, like, really close distance while he's running.

02:56:35.000 I mean, I didn't realize that they were that close to him.

02:56:37.000 They were on the ground, like, 15, 20 feet away from him, shooting at him as he's running, as he jumped out of his car. 0.98

02:56:43.000 You know what's crazy is that video of that fucking dude from North Korea in the airport getting that Poison put on him. 0.98

02:56:50.000 Have you seen that? 0.99

02:56:51.000 No, I haven't seen that.

02:56:52.000 Oh, Kim Jong-un's brother.

02:56:54.000 Yeah, Kim Jong-un's brother.

02:56:55.000 There's a video of the assassination.

02:56:57.000 You can watch it.

02:56:57.000 It's wild.

02:56:58.000 Jamie is on it.

02:56:59.000 Yeah, it's pretty intense.

02:57:01.000 And what was it?

02:57:01.000 Sarin?

02:57:02.000 Is that what they put on him?

02:57:03.000 I don't know what it was.

02:57:04.000 Some nerve gas.

02:57:05.000 They tricked someone to doing that for them, right?

02:57:08.000 Wasn't that the story?

02:57:09.000 That's the defense of the people who did it.

02:57:11.000 They're saying they didn't know, but apparently there was footage of them practicing it.

02:57:16.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

02:57:17.000 That's him?

02:57:18.000 Afterwards.

02:57:18.000 That's him after getting zapped.

02:57:20.000 But you can watch like a professional assassination go down here.

02:57:24.000 Okay, let's see this.

02:57:25.000 Yeah, right at the airport.

02:57:27.000 And apparently he had the antidote in his baggage.

02:57:31.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

02:57:32.000 But this is the thing with them having like ICBMs.

02:57:35.000 VX. 20 minutes after VX poisoning.

02:57:41.000 This is some old school shit that they do in the Soviet Union too, right? 1.00

02:57:46.000 A bunch of people over there have been killed with poison. 1.00

02:57:48.000 In London, actually.

02:57:50.000 There they are.

02:57:55.000 Circle.

02:57:55.000 They're right there.

02:57:56.000 Just VX gassed him.

02:57:58.000 I don't see it.

02:57:59.000 The girl like puts a, like looks like a chloroform. 1.00

02:58:01.000 A rag over his face.

02:58:03.000 Yeah, she just walks over and puts a rag on his head. 1.00

02:58:05.000 Can you see it one more time?

02:58:06.000 I thought they were gonna show another video.

02:58:07.000 It's that watch.

02:58:08.000 Just comes up behind him.

02:58:09.000 There it is.

02:58:10.000 Oh, whoa. 1.00

02:58:11.000 That's all it takes to kill you? 1.00

02:58:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:58:13.000 That's fucking insane. 0.99

02:58:15.000 And he's saying someone just put something on my face. 1.00

02:58:19.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:58:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:58:21.000 That's insane.

02:58:23.000 Yeah, it's not scary.

02:58:26.000 Can't see that coming.

02:58:29.000 So he's staying there.

02:58:31.000 She just walks right up and jacks him. 1.00

02:58:34.000 Whoa.

02:58:35.000 She was fast, too. 0.98

02:58:37.000 That's intense, man.

02:58:40.000 That's intense.

02:58:41.000 So my buddy Ed got medevaced out of Petersburg.

02:58:45.000 With the worms in his stomach?

02:58:47.000 Intestinal bleeding.

02:58:48.000 Jesus Christ, they were trying to burrow their way out, eat his bones from the inside.

02:58:52.000 Wait, this is your friend who drank the tequila?

02:58:55.000 It doesn't work to get rid of worms.

02:58:56.000 It didn't kill them all.

02:58:56.000 He went to the doctor the next day in town, and the doctor was like, yeah, it's probably no big deal, whatever, you'll be fine.

02:59:02.000 Fuck you, doctor. 1.00

02:59:03.000 And then I left and traveled all around Alaska and then went back. 1.00

02:59:07.000 And when I was home, I got a letter from him that he had been medevaced out and had been in the hospital, had four or five surgeries.

02:59:14.000 How many other people? 0.99

02:59:15.000 He was like, fucked up. 1.00

02:59:16.000 I don't know if he lived. 1.00

02:59:16.000 From a fish? 1.00

02:59:17.000 You don't know if he lived?

02:59:18.000 Yeah.

02:59:19.000 How many other people got sick?

02:59:20.000 Just him.

02:59:21.000 Just him.

02:59:22.000 The other fish were fine.

02:59:24.000 Could you go and find out for the story?

02:59:27.000 So we know how we should feel. 0.98

02:59:29.000 I don't like these open-ended fucking No Country for Old Men type endings. 0.98

02:59:36.000 And Ed lived happily ever after, Joe. 0.99

02:59:38.000 I'm glad to tell you. 1.00

02:59:39.000 I want to say, have you guys seen that video of the cam girl who's like a worm shoots at her asshole? 1.00

02:59:46.000 Oh, Duncan, everyone's seen that. 1.00

02:59:51.000 Have you seen that video?

02:59:53.000 I don't want to see that.

02:59:54.000 Oh my god.

02:59:56.000 It's a cam girl. 0.93

02:59:57.000 Why would you think that we did?

02:59:58.000 Jamie can pull...

03:00:00.000 You gotta see it, man.

03:00:02.000 Everyone's seen it.

03:00:03.000 If it's not on Instagram, I haven't seen it. 1.00

03:00:05.000 She squats down and it's like just the very tip of some kind of worm thing like pops out of her ass and sucks back. 1.00

03:00:11.000 You know what I'm talking about, Jamie? 1.00

03:00:13.000 You've seen this?

03:00:13.000 Maybe I dreamed it.

03:00:14.000 I'm pretty sure.

03:00:15.000 You might not.

03:00:16.000 How interesting is it that there's two completely different social media platforms that we all use, Twitter and Instagram, and one of them allows straight up porn.

03:00:25.000 Which one?

03:00:26.000 Twitter. 0.99

03:00:27.000 Twitter has straight up porn. 0.99

03:00:28.000 Oh, that's right. 1.00

03:00:29.000 Sometimes in your feet, you see a chick just gagging on a fat dick or taking one right in the ass. 1.00

03:00:34.000 Right there. 1.00

03:00:34.000 Right in your feet. 1.00

03:00:35.000 And you're like, whoa!

03:00:36.000 Yeah.

03:00:37.000 You know?

03:00:37.000 Yeah, I don't know.

03:00:38.000 Yeah.

03:00:39.000 What is that? 0.97

03:00:40.000 Instagram won't even show nipples. 0.99

03:00:42.000 Girls blur their nipples out. 0.99

03:00:44.000 Yeah, you gotta put little acorns on them. 0.99

03:00:45.000 But what's really interesting is because my eyesight's kind of going shitty anyway. 0.83

03:00:49.000 So if a girl only mildly blurs her nipples, to me it looks the same. 0.84

03:00:54.000 So you're getting around. 0.92

03:00:56.000 That's good.

03:00:56.000 You're getting around.

03:00:57.000 Playing the system.

03:00:58.000 Bilking the system, bro.

03:01:00.000 Playing the ankles.

03:01:01.000 I mean, no, for real, though.

03:01:02.000 How blurry does it have to be?

03:01:04.000 This is the question. 1.00

03:01:05.000 Would you see a picture of my dick? 1.00

03:01:07.000 If you have a picture of you sitting there and you wanted to go on Instagram, you with that Hawaiian shirt on, Chris, with your hog hanging out, and you want to take a picture, just slightly pixelate your dick. 1.00

03:01:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:01:17.000 It'll be like really clear where the head of it is, where the balls are, where the shaft is. 1.00

03:01:22.000 Even the color of your dick would be very easy to discern. 1.00

03:01:25.000 But it's not totally your dick because it's all pixely. 1.00

03:01:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:01:30.000 Right.

03:01:31.000 Oh, there.

03:01:31.000 Look.

03:01:32.000 Oh.

03:01:33.000 Okay.

03:01:33.000 Wait.

03:01:34.000 Show it from the beginning.

03:01:35.000 That's all I found.

03:01:35.000 Oh, look.

03:01:36.000 Watch. 0.88

03:01:41.000 That's so gross. 0.99

03:01:42.000 Seems like she's got parasites internally. 1.00

03:01:45.000 Yeah, the pixelation thing is one of the most...

03:01:47.000 Thanks for bringing that to our attention.

03:01:49.000 Hey, it's nature.

03:01:50.000 We're talking about nature.

03:01:51.000 That might not be real.

03:01:52.000 I mean, that wasn't the highest quality.

03:01:54.000 That could have been, like, some CGI. Even more fucked up. 0.99

03:01:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:01:58.000 Someone CGI-ing worms into Camgirl's assholes. 1.00

03:02:01.000 But if it was a worm coming out of her asshole, could she really suck it back in like that? 1.00

03:02:05.000 I mean, it's an asshole. 1.00

03:02:06.000 It's not lips. 1.00

03:02:07.000 It's like...

03:02:07.000 It sucked itself back in.

03:02:09.000 Yeah, but you don't have a lung connected to your asshole. 1.00

03:02:12.000 What? 1.00

03:02:12.000 Like, how much are you sucking... 1.00

03:02:14.000 How much power does she have to get that spaghetti back into her mouth? 1.00

03:02:17.000 No, I think the worm...

03:02:17.000 The thing itself pulled itself.

03:02:18.000 The worm pulled its head back in.

03:02:20.000 It was like, whoa, another universe!

03:02:22.000 I don't like it! 1.00

03:02:24.000 There's a fucking glass thing looking at me. 0.99

03:02:28.000 It's cold out here. 1.00

03:02:30.000 Some pervert with a camera. 1.00

03:02:31.000 Fuck this place. 1.00

03:02:32.000 What am I, live off? 1.00

03:02:32.000 Fuck this. 1.00

03:02:34.000 I know, right? 1.00

03:02:35.000 It's used to that steady 96 degrees.

03:02:37.000 Yeah, it's cozy.

03:02:39.000 Wow, how weird, man, that we can get those.

03:02:42.000 I had a dog once that had worms, and when she would go to the bathroom, that's how I found it. 0.84

03:02:46.000 I saw worms in her poop, and I saw worms around her butthole. 1.00

03:02:50.000 And I was like, oh, someone's got a problem. 1.00

03:02:52.000 And they do that ass drag across the carpet. 1.00

03:02:55.000 Exactly. 1.00

03:02:55.000 Well, dogs, you know, they eat everything, man. 1.00

03:02:58.000 They'll eat anything they find.

03:02:59.000 So they eat a dead rat.

03:03:01.000 They find a dead rat, they just start eating it. 0.99

03:03:03.000 They get all kinds of fucked up things inside their body. 1.00

03:03:06.000 Oh, shit, man. 1.00

03:03:07.000 Have you seen that documentary? 1.00

03:03:08.000 Wait, god damn it. 0.99

03:03:09.000 I can't believe I can't remember his name. 0.99

03:03:11.000 He's the guy who only ate McDonald's for...

03:03:14.000 Morgan Spurlock.

03:03:15.000 Have you seen Morgan Spurlock's...

03:03:16.000 Rats?

03:03:17.000 Yes!

03:03:18.000 Yes. 1.00

03:03:18.000 Oh my fucking god. 1.00

03:03:21.000 When they dissect the rat and you see what's living in that thing... 1.00

03:03:25.000 How about that bot fly that was in its neck?

03:03:27.000 It's literally like if you had...

03:03:30.000 A football growing out of the side of your neck?

03:03:32.000 That's how big this bot-fi larva was.

03:03:34.000 It's on Netflix.

03:03:36.000 It's called Rats. 1.00

03:03:37.000 It is fucked up. 1.00

03:03:38.000 It is so good. 1.00

03:03:39.000 It's really good.

03:03:39.000 He is so good.

03:03:40.000 It's so good, man, but it is so deeply disturbing.

03:03:45.000 Yeah, the raw numbers that you get hit with, you're like, what?

03:03:48.000 Wait a minute.

03:03:48.000 Is that real?

03:03:49.000 When you hear there's as many rats in New York City as there are human beings, and you just go, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute.

03:03:57.000 Really?

03:03:58.000 Yeah.

03:03:59.000 There's the hole.

03:04:00.000 That's from the botfly larva that they pulled out of that thing's body.

03:04:05.000 Jesus.

03:04:05.000 Yeah, and they said that there were so many of them that they tested that have, like, terminal illnesses in them.

03:04:11.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:04:12.000 They're just fucking everywhere, too, man. 0.99

03:04:13.000 And in New York, they set this camera up while those garbage bags were being put out. 0.99

03:04:18.000 And you see the rats just dart out of the sewer, and then they stuck cameras down into sewer holes to find them.

03:04:24.000 They learn what poison is.

03:04:25.000 And they'll piss on it.

03:04:27.000 Or they'll send in...

03:04:28.000 Didn't he say they'll send in, like...

03:04:30.000 Like beta rats to eat the poison?

03:04:33.000 Yeah, they send in beta rats and they get stuck in traps and they eat poison and they'll sit back and they'll watch and you can observe them do this.

03:04:40.000 Really? 0.98

03:04:41.000 Yeah, they literally send the dumber rats forward. 0.99

03:04:44.000 They're like all things we were talking about earlier. 0.97

03:04:47.000 They're like a super organism.

03:04:49.000 Rats are all basically the same shape and size.

03:04:52.000 They vary in like a little bit or a little bit smaller, but mostly the same thing.

03:04:56.000 They look exactly the same and they behave like the same. 0.99

03:04:59.000 They all do the same shit. 1.00

03:05:00.000 And they all move into these... 1.00

03:05:01.000 And they're happy to live where nothing else wants to live.

03:05:03.000 Like, well, we'll take it.

03:05:04.000 We'll move it in.

03:05:05.000 And they move in and breed in a way that's just unprecedented in terms of things like mammals that live alongside humans. 0.98

03:05:14.000 There's not a goddamn thing like rats. 0.98

03:05:16.000 Like no other animals figured out how to do it like rats can. 0.99

03:05:19.000 Right.

03:05:19.000 They can do it in a way where there's as many of them as there is of us.

03:05:22.000 Just imagine that.

03:05:23.000 They're smart.

03:05:24.000 How many cockroaches are there? 1.00

03:05:26.000 Must be a lot of cockroaches in New York. 1.00

03:05:29.000 I would guess more than there are rats. 0.64

03:05:31.000 Right?

03:05:32.000 Sure, because they're so small.

03:05:34.000 Yeah, but those are particular things.

03:05:37.000 It's really interesting because people always want to think that they never prejudge.

03:05:43.000 They're not prejudiced.

03:05:45.000 But we certainly are when it comes to rats and bugs.

03:05:49.000 Butterflies are awesome.

03:05:50.000 Butterfly lands on you, everybody's psyched. 0.98

03:05:52.000 A roach walks in the room, everybody freaks out and wants to fucking stomp it. 0.99

03:05:56.000 Get it, get it, get it, get it. 0.99

03:05:58.000 Oh my god.

03:05:59.000 Right?

03:05:59.000 Yeah.

03:05:59.000 Mosquito comes in, everybody's pissed.

03:06:01.000 Yeah.

03:06:02.000 Spider walks in, ah!

03:06:03.000 Some people freak out, some people want to help the spider.

03:06:05.000 Right.

03:06:06.000 Yeah, man, when you see any kind of rat, rats are no bueno, like to the core.

03:06:11.000 You see that rat and you're like, that ain't a squirrel.

03:06:15.000 Squirrels are cool.

03:06:16.000 Squirrels are cool.

03:06:17.000 But squirrels are just rats with bushy tails.

03:06:20.000 They're better PR. They have a better publicist. 0.97

03:06:23.000 Well, they don't eat meat.

03:06:25.000 That's the thing about squirrels. 0.99

03:06:26.000 Squirrels are eating acorns and shit and nuts. 0.99

03:06:28.000 They're just a better animal. 0.99

03:06:30.000 But they do eat meat sometimes. 0.98

03:06:31.000 Here's a fucked up thing about animals, especially if they're sick or they have some weird nutrition requirement. 0.97

03:06:37.000 There's a video of a squirrel eating a mouse and it's hard to watch, man. 0.99

03:06:43.000 This squirrel is holding onto this mouse with its hands and just chewing into it, a fucking squirrel. 0.99

03:06:49.000 And you're like, whoa, really? 0.99

03:06:51.000 This is a real thing?

03:06:52.000 I trusted you. 1.00

03:06:53.000 Yeah, you're a fucking squirrel, man. 1.00

03:06:55.000 You're supposed to be super cool. 1.00

03:06:56.000 I could feed you.

03:06:58.000 There it is.

03:06:59.000 Look at that. 1.00

03:07:00.000 What are you doing to me here with these fucking videos? 1.00

03:07:04.000 First of all, it's Joe. 1.00

03:07:06.000 You started it with the worm and the asshole, and it's been downhill from there. 1.00

03:07:10.000 Look how excited he is eating this. 1.00

03:07:12.000 I really can't look at that. 0.98

03:07:15.000 It's insane because he doesn't have any problem eating that rat. 0.70

03:07:18.000 He seems to be watching a movie.

03:07:20.000 It's like he's watching Game of Thrones where he's eating it.

03:07:22.000 He's enjoying some great show.

03:07:24.000 Look how quick he's devouring it.

03:07:27.000 It's like you holding onto a ham.

03:07:29.000 It's like a five-year-old with an ice cream cone.

03:07:32.000 Look at that guy.

03:07:33.000 He's just biting into it.

03:07:33.000 He's saving the tail glass.

03:07:36.000 Oh, look at that.

03:07:37.000 Oh, delicious. 1.00

03:07:37.000 The best part of the fucking rat. 1.00

03:07:39.000 Look at it. 1.00

03:07:39.000 It's almost gone. 1.00

03:07:40.000 Jesus.

03:07:41.000 No, it dropped.

03:07:41.000 He dropped a big chunk of it.

03:07:42.000 Oh, he dropped something.

03:07:43.000 Look at these giant chunks of guts it's consuming.

03:07:46.000 He was hungry.

03:07:47.000 This is amazing, man.

03:07:49.000 What's he doing now?

03:07:50.000 It's too bad the audio-only audience isn't seeing this.

03:07:53.000 He's burying what's left of it.

03:07:54.000 Oh, you know what, man?

03:07:56.000 Trust me, don't.

03:07:56.000 Don't look it up.

03:07:56.000 This is a ground squirrel.

03:07:57.000 This is a different kind of squirrel.

03:07:59.000 That might be why.

03:08:00.000 Ground squirrels are a totally different kind of squirrel.

03:08:02.000 Ground squirrels are actually a real problem on ranches because they make holes.

03:08:06.000 I've got millions of them.

03:08:06.000 Yeah.

03:08:07.000 They estimate...

03:08:09.000 Tejon Ranch is 270,000 acres.

03:08:12.000 And someone there told me, and I didn't check if this is true, but just listen if it is, told me that the biomass of these ground squirrels is bigger than anything else on the ranch. 0.65

03:08:25.000 Because these tiny little things, there's so fucking many of them that all the deer, all the bear, all the mountain lions, all the wild pigs, all the cattle that roam around there, all the elk, everything, every other bird, ground nesting birds, turkeys, everything, the biomass of those fucking ground squirrels was greater than all of it.

03:08:43.000 And he's like, I just want you to think about that for a second. 0.97

03:08:45.000 And I was like, what?

03:08:47.000 And he's like, we've got a real problem with these things.

03:08:48.000 He goes, you can't kill them.

03:08:49.000 And they leave holes, and then the cattle step in those holes and break their ankles. 0.99

03:08:54.000 You can't kill them because they're just too wily?

03:08:56.000 Where are you going to find them? 1.00

03:08:58.000 You're going to sit out there with a pistol, and you're going to shoot a few. 0.99

03:09:01.000 What about poison or something? 0.99

03:09:02.000 But here's what he said.

03:09:02.000 He said he shot one of them, and when he shot it, another one grabbed it and dragged it into the holes.

03:09:09.000 Wow, that's so sad.

03:09:11.000 To eat it.

03:09:13.000 He's probably eating it.

03:09:14.000 Yeah.

03:09:15.000 He's not like, Daryl!

03:09:19.000 Find out if ground nesting squirrels eat meat.

03:09:22.000 If ground nesting squirrels are omnivores.

03:09:25.000 I wonder if they have a totally different diet.

03:09:27.000 Because they have those gross tails, too. 1.00

03:09:30.000 They have almost rat-like tails.

03:09:31.000 They're gross little things.

03:09:32.000 You don't feel good when you're around them.

03:09:34.000 That's why we need more snakes. 1.00

03:09:36.000 Yeah.

03:09:37.000 We don't need more snakes.

03:09:38.000 We don't need more snakes.

03:09:39.000 You know, snakes are one of the only things that all babies are afraid of instinctively.

03:09:47.000 You show an infant, an image of a snake, and they'll just freak.

03:09:51.000 Well, that's because in the Garden of Eden, a snake is what made Eve eat the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

03:09:56.000 That's true.

03:09:57.000 He's right, though.

03:09:57.000 Well, that's true.

03:09:58.000 It was a snake's fault.

03:09:59.000 Eve's a good chick. 1.00

03:10:00.000 Most neotropic ground squirrels are omnivorous.

03:10:03.000 There you go.

03:10:04.000 There you go.

03:10:05.000 So they're eating meat.

03:10:07.000 Ground squirrels.

03:10:08.000 Insects, caterpillars, crookets.

03:10:10.000 Mice.

03:10:11.000 Toads, frogs, eggs.

03:10:12.000 And maybe each other.

03:10:13.000 Oh, they get in there and eat the eggs right out of the nest. 0.96

03:10:16.000 Yeah, ground nesting birds.

03:10:17.000 Chicks of ducks.

03:10:18.000 Yeah, eggs and chicks of ducks and songbirds.

03:10:21.000 Mice.

03:10:22.000 Smaller ground squirrels.

03:10:23.000 Oh yeah, so ground squirrels are just little monsters.

03:10:27.000 That's why we feel bad about them.

03:10:29.000 They're little evil little meat eaters. 1.00

03:10:32.000 So what kept coyotes, I guess, probably get some of them.

03:10:36.000 Yeah, but the problem is they dig into holes and the coyotes have a hard time catching them too. 0.99

03:10:39.000 They dart to that fucking hole so quick. 0.98

03:10:42.000 I don't think it's an effective method. 1.00

03:10:43.000 I don't think they have a lot of effective methods of eradicating them other than like poison and shit, if I had a guess. 0.97

03:10:48.000 What about those rat terriers in the Spurlock show? 0.98

03:10:51.000 Remember that?

03:10:51.000 Oh my god, it was amazing.

03:10:52.000 You know they actually hunt rats?

03:10:54.000 Have you seen this before?

03:10:55.000 I haven't seen the film, no. 0.92

03:10:56.000 Dude, they tear these rats apart. 0.88

03:10:59.000 It's crazy. 0.98

03:10:59.000 They live for it. 0.98

03:11:01.000 It's like they live for it.

03:11:02.000 They are in their glory.

03:11:03.000 When they let them loose, these terriers go crazy.

03:11:06.000 That's like Jack Russell terriers. 1.00

03:11:08.000 That's why those little fuckers are so hyper. 1.00

03:11:10.000 Because they're rat killers. 1.00

03:11:11.000 It's like... 1.00

03:11:12.000 It's fucking Dawn of the Dead. 1.00

03:11:14.000 It's like watching zombies rip them apart. 1.00

03:11:17.000 It is.

03:11:17.000 Look at them.

03:11:18.000 They grab them and shake them.

03:11:19.000 They're so happy right now.

03:11:21.000 This is the... 1.00

03:11:22.000 The greatest thing that happens to these dogs is hunting fucking rats. 1.00

03:11:26.000 Look at that. 1.00

03:11:26.000 He got one. 1.00

03:11:27.000 Look at that. 1.00

03:11:28.000 Yeah, look at the fucking rat trying to get away and they're just shaking it. 1.00

03:11:32.000 Whoa, that is amazing. 1.00

03:11:33.000 Yeah, I guess the guys are helping them.

03:11:35.000 They're digging them up.

03:11:36.000 Yeah, that's the idea.

03:11:38.000 Look at that kid.

03:11:40.000 The laughter of children as you're watching your mother get ripped apart by monsters.

03:11:46.000 How crazy is it that they're in the dirt here and that these guys are digging them out of the holes.

03:11:52.000 And as they dig them out of the holes, the rats explode and the dogs know.

03:11:56.000 They go to look for it.

03:11:57.000 Look at them wagging their tails.

03:11:59.000 They're so happy, dude.

03:12:01.000 That's so nuts.

03:12:03.000 It's great.

03:12:03.000 You can almost engineer any animal.

03:12:05.000 Oh, there's one.

03:12:06.000 Got it.

03:12:07.000 Jesus Christ.

03:12:08.000 Look how fast his head's moving.

03:12:10.000 Yeah.

03:12:11.000 And then what do they do?

03:12:12.000 They're not eating them.

03:12:13.000 Oh yeah, they tear them apart.

03:12:14.000 They were tearing them apart.

03:12:15.000 They eat them.

03:12:16.000 They're eating them.

03:12:16.000 But it seems like they just like killing them.

03:12:18.000 Well, they probably eat so much they're stuffed.

03:12:21.000 Now they're just...

03:12:22.000 I'm sure they eat some of it, though.

03:12:24.000 And that's the whole thing.

03:12:25.000 I don't know.

03:12:25.000 That last one looked like he was bringing it over.

03:12:27.000 Like maybe they're trained to put them in a bag or something.

03:12:30.000 That would be clutch.

03:12:30.000 Maybe.

03:12:31.000 Yeah, you gotta do something with the bodies.

03:12:33.000 Like golden retrievers and stuff, right?

03:12:35.000 They don't eat the ducks, right?

03:12:37.000 Why are you so fascinated with this part of nature?

03:12:41.000 Like, sometimes I gotta be careful with your feeds, man.

03:12:45.000 Because I know, man, if you...

03:12:47.000 I don't look at it, but inevitably if you tweet nature's...

03:12:51.000 What do you say?

03:12:51.000 Nature's...

03:12:52.000 A bitch? 1.00

03:12:53.000 No, he says nature's... 1.00

03:12:54.000 What do you say?

03:12:55.000 What's the thing you say?

03:12:56.000 It depends. 1.00

03:12:57.000 A scary bitch? 1.00

03:12:58.000 Something like that. 1.00

03:12:59.000 If I see that, I'm not watching... 1.00

03:13:00.000 Nature, you scary bitch. 1.00

03:13:01.000 Yeah, it's just gonna be awful. 1.00

03:13:01.000 Or amazing. 1.00

03:13:04.000 Why are you so interested in that aspect of nature?

03:13:08.000 Well, it's super extreme, right?

03:13:10.000 I mean, there's an extreme event happening here.

03:13:12.000 One life form is exploding on another life form, and it seems like it's designed to do that. 0.89

03:13:19.000 When you see a jaguar kill a caiman and grab it in the back of its neck and bite into a fucking crocodile and drag it in between its legs up the beach to eat it, You're seeing one of the most extreme things that exists in the world. 0.89

03:13:33.000 You're seeing a life form consuming another life form with its face, killing it, eliminating it from this dimension with its teeth and a very specific part of its body. 0.98

03:13:43.000 And it seems like it's designed to do that.

03:13:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:14:07.000 In their world, their world is fucking, it's unbelievably ruthless. 1.00

03:14:12.000 Unbelievably ruthless. 0.99

03:14:14.000 Like, our ideas of animals have become so strange because we keep some of them.

03:14:19.000 Right.

03:14:19.000 We keep them around us and we feed them so they're like really sweet to us.

03:14:23.000 But there's not a fucking animal in all of nature that is sweet with the other animals around it. 0.97

03:14:31.000 There are many animals that are sweet with the other animals around them. 0.99

03:14:34.000 All herd animals, for example.

03:14:36.000 No, that's not what I mean.

03:14:36.000 That's not what I mean.

03:14:38.000 Jaguars and antelopes aren't buddies.

03:14:40.000 Well, when the jaguar is eaten, he can walk right through the middle of the herd and they won't even run away because they know he's not hungry.

03:14:46.000 Oh, but that's so crazy to think.

03:14:47.000 That's like if a murderer only kills one of your buddies and eats them, you'll be cool just wandering around that guy.

03:14:52.000 But they're not murderers.

03:14:53.000 They're eating.

03:14:54.000 They are eating.

03:14:54.000 But my point is, their interactions are incredibly ruthless.

03:14:58.000 When they happen.

03:15:00.000 But see, this is something I write about in this book I'm working on still, which is the lack of proportionality in this argument.

03:15:10.000 Because this nature is ruthless red in tooth and claw thing that's been very popular for a long time.

03:15:16.000 But it's real.

03:15:17.000 Well, it's real when it's real.

03:15:19.000 Right.

03:15:19.000 But it's also real that we die in agony.

03:15:21.000 Yes.

03:15:22.000 And often our agony is extended by medicine to last much longer than that mouse that just got eaten by the squirrel.

03:15:28.000 Right, but I'm not fascinated by death.

03:15:30.000 No, no, no.

03:15:30.000 I'm fascinated by these interactions.

03:15:32.000 But what I'm saying is that the conclusion to draw from those interactions that therefore nature is this battlefield...

03:15:43.000 It misrepresents what actually happens in nature.

03:15:46.000 When predation happens, it can be nasty, of course.

03:15:49.000 Right, but that's what I'm saying.

03:15:50.000 I'm not looking at the entire nature as a whole and making this distinction.

03:15:53.000 This is the only thing interesting about nature.

03:15:55.000 No, no, no, I'm not saying that.

03:15:57.000 Just the depiction of nature as being ruthless.

03:16:00.000 Well, it is in that moment.

03:16:01.000 That is nature, and it is in that moment.

03:16:03.000 And that moment exists.

03:16:04.000 The only reason why these predators can exist is because they have to be killing things all over the world.

03:16:08.000 I mean, every place where there's a wolf, it means the wolf is alive because it's eating things, which means it's killing things all day long.

03:16:14.000 I mean, that's not an inaccurate depiction.

03:16:17.000 The thing is, there's so many things.

03:16:19.000 There's so many elk and so many wolves.

03:16:21.000 Most of the time, the elk aren't getting killed by wolves.

03:16:23.000 But those wolves are killing an elk almost every day.

03:16:26.000 Sure.

03:16:26.000 So it's just a matter of how you look at it.

03:16:28.000 Right, but you're sort of diminishing the ruthless aspect of it because you're looking at the overall picture of it, right?

03:16:35.000 But I'm not diminishing it.

03:16:36.000 What I'm saying is that that's one perspective on it.

03:16:38.000 And actually, in terms of proportion, it's a minor perspective on it.

03:16:43.000 For example, I was watching this nature thing and there were these seals playing in the waves.

03:16:48.000 And then the do-do [...

03:16:58.000 You mean an orca, right?

03:16:59.000 Well, I think it was a great white. 0.52

03:17:00.000 It may have been an orca.

03:17:02.000 Same thing.

03:17:03.000 And the seal lands in its mouth, and you see it crunching the seal and the blood running down.

03:17:08.000 And the narration is nature is ruthless, and there's the never-ending struggle for survival, and yadda-yadda-yadda, right?

03:17:15.000 And so I'm looking at that and I'm thinking, how long do harbor seals live?

03:17:20.000 So I look it up online.

03:17:21.000 Harbor seals live about 25 to 30 years.

03:17:23.000 I've seen a lot of seals lying around on rocks, having a good time, not stressed out.

03:17:28.000 I don't see a lot of high-stress seals.

03:17:31.000 And so I think it's like, okay, this seal, let's say you live 25 years. 0.74

03:17:35.000 It's hanging out, eating sushi, having a good time, then boom, it's dead so quickly that we have to slow this down to 140th of normal speed so you can enjoy this death porn. 0.55

03:17:47.000 That's a tiny sliver of that seal's existence. 0.94

03:17:50.000 And we're depicting nature as this incredibly ruthless, horrible, bloody place.

03:17:57.000 That's just inaccurate.

03:17:59.000 Well, it's not in that moment.

03:18:01.000 Not in that moment.

03:18:02.000 But you can't ignore that moment.

03:18:03.000 No, of course not.

03:18:05.000 But that moment is the reason why the seal's population is controlled.

03:18:09.000 The moment is the reason why the shark can live.

03:18:11.000 Oh, yeah.

03:18:12.000 It all has to be there.

03:18:13.000 I agree with you, but I disagree with you.

03:18:14.000 I agree with you.

03:18:15.000 I see you're saying that there's way more going on than just this tooth, fang, claw.

03:18:19.000 I'm not looking at it from a moral perspective.

03:18:22.000 I'm looking at it from a chaotic perspective.

03:18:24.000 It is fascinating.

03:18:25.000 These schools of tuna that we scoop up with nets, they're out there jacking little fish.

03:18:31.000 That's why they're in schools. 0.96

03:18:32.000 Because they operate more efficiently that way, and they're chasing down sardines and fucking them up. 1.00

03:18:37.000 And that's oftentimes how you catch fish.

03:18:39.000 When I was tuna fishing in Mexico, we're catching amberjack or skipjack, I forget.

03:18:46.000 But you would find these pools of bait fish going crazy on the surface of the water because the tuna were all ganging up on them and jacking them.

03:18:55.000 And then you got the pelicans on top attacking from the top.

03:18:58.000 So you see the birds, and then you would see the frothing of the water, and then these fish would just, they would go crazy and fuck up these little bait fish.

03:19:04.000 And you would literally just cast into this football field size, swirling in the ocean, and these fish would just bite it, and you would just catch them almost instantly.

03:19:13.000 So that is not the whole ocean all the time, but that's still real.

03:19:19.000 Of course it's real.

03:19:19.000 I'm not denying the reality.

03:19:21.000 I'm talking proportion.

03:19:22.000 I agree, but the thing that I find the most fascinating, for whatever fucked up reason, is when the water buffalo comes at the lion and the lion ducks onto the water buffalo and grabs it by its neck and rolls it over the ground and crushes its neck.

03:19:36.000 I am fascinated by the idea that...

03:19:40.000 All moral judgments aside, nature has somehow engineered a jaguar and a caiman.

03:19:48.000 And then this jaguar looked at that caiman and was like, I don't want to figure out how to put that in me. 0.98

03:19:54.000 And he snuck up, swam in the water, snuck up on a goddamn crocodile, jumped on its back, bit its neck. 0.99

03:20:01.000 There's a lot of cool shit. 1.00

03:20:03.000 I like watching jaguars just roll. 0.99

03:20:04.000 I like watching jaguars when they get a hold of psychedelic plants.

03:20:07.000 Have you ever seen that?

03:20:08.000 Yeah.

03:20:08.000 I don't think so.

03:20:10.000 You ever seen that?

03:20:11.000 There's a type of vine that's rich in DMT that jaguars will chew on. 0.94

03:20:16.000 And then they literally just lie on their back and they're just staring out into space, tripping balls.

03:20:21.000 It's like catnip for jaguars or something.

03:20:22.000 Yeah, it is.

03:20:23.000 But they think it's psychedelic.

03:20:24.000 They think that might be when you have all these jaguar dreams, when people take ayahuasca, it might be that the jaguar is interfacing with the same dimension that you are.

03:20:34.000 So that's the reason why, I mean, because we know that these jaguars do take these psychedelic plants, and we know that these psychedelic plants, when they were first discovered, they were trying to call, harmine is the chemical, but they were trying to call it telepathine,

03:20:50.000 because they didn't know it was the same as harmine.

03:20:53.000 They had to run tests on it and find out that it was already an established molecule, there was an already established compound.

03:21:01.000 So the reason why they called it telepathine was because people were experiencing group states of consciousness while they were taking this stuff.

03:21:08.000 So they're thinking that these people that do ayahuasca and have these trips with jaguars, they literally might be interacting with jaguars who are also tripping.

03:21:20.000 See, this thing is just eating these leaves and lying down on its back, clearly in an altered state.

03:21:26.000 Just rolling around on its back with its paws up in the air, staring at things that aren't there.

03:21:31.000 Yeah, you know what it's staring at? 0.96

03:21:32.000 It's like in Brooklyn right now with a bunch of fucking people on ayahuasca and just like hanging out some loft in Brooklyn with some fucking glassblowers, a couple of accountants. 0.99

03:21:44.000 Look at its eyes dilate, its minds going back and forth. 1.00

03:21:48.000 That is so fucking wild. 0.99

03:21:51.000 I'm going to Peru in a couple weeks. 0.99

03:21:53.000 Are you going to get down with the funky medicine?

03:21:55.000 Plant medicine?

03:21:56.000 Yeah, if the right situation presents itself.

03:21:59.000 That's the thing, right?

03:22:00.000 The problem, the people that say plant medicine, they all make you go, mmm.

03:22:04.000 The people that are really into the plant medicine, you're like...

03:22:08.000 Okay, yeah, okay. 1.00

03:22:10.000 Like, you might be cool if you use those terms all the time, or you might be one of those fucking weirdos. 0.96

03:22:15.000 You know, there's a bunch of people that are into the psychedelic world that they, you know, they would have been into the Moonies if the Moonies found them, right? 0.97

03:22:23.000 There are lots of different plants that they use, though.

03:22:26.000 It's not just ayahuasca.

03:22:27.000 So if you just use it as a general term, there's San Pedro and all these other...

03:22:31.000 Oh, no, I'm fully aware.

03:22:32.000 It's just that people love saying it.

03:22:33.000 They love saying plant medicine, like...

03:22:36.000 I mean, legally, it's probably better to use the term plant medicine.

03:22:39.000 It is.

03:22:40.000 It's just so pretentious.

03:22:41.000 That can incorporate things that aren't going to get you stopped at any borders.

03:22:43.000 Yeah, I think it's pretentious.

03:22:45.000 Like, I get it.

03:22:46.000 I understand why you're calling it a plant medicine.

03:22:49.000 But, like, when I'm getting stoned, I'm not thinking, let me take my medicine.

03:22:54.000 I'm thinking, let me get... 0.99

03:22:55.000 I want to get fucking high, man. 0.98

03:22:57.000 I want to, like, get high, play with my synthesizers. 0.98

03:23:00.000 When I'm, like...

03:23:00.000 When I'm taking...

03:23:03.000 Robitussin.

03:23:03.000 I'm thinking I'm taking medicine right now.

03:23:05.000 It tastes like shit. 1.00

03:23:06.000 It's gonna make me fall asleep. 0.99

03:23:07.000 I just, honestly, the reason I don't like the term plant medicine is because I think it, and forgive me out there, you guys. 0.99

03:23:15.000 But I feel like it in some small way diminishes all the other reasons I want to take this fucking plant.

03:23:21.000 Like when I'm like, you know, and this is such a degraded thing to say, so I'm sorry, but remember when you used to be sponsored by fleshlights? 0.95

03:23:29.000 Yes. 0.98

03:23:30.000 And you fucked a fleshlight, right? 1.00

03:23:31.000 Yes. 1.00

03:23:32.000 And it made you cum. 1.00

03:23:33.000 But you aren't thinking, as you're fucking the fleshlight for the pure hedonic joy of experiencing an orgasm with this weird, dumb thing, this tube, you're not thinking to yourself, I'm giving myself medicine now. 1.00

03:23:47.000 You're thinking, this is euphoria, I want to cum. 1.00

03:23:51.000 In the same way with some of these substances, that's hedonism. 0.99

03:23:54.000 I'm never getting high with you again, man.

03:23:56.000 You're scaring me.

03:23:58.000 It's hedonism. 1.00

03:24:00.000 Hide the fucking house plants. 1.00

03:24:02.000 Sometimes it's a plant medicine. 1.00

03:24:06.000 Sometimes it's a fleshlight.

03:24:07.000 So why do you get high?

03:24:08.000 Are you saying that sometimes you get high just because it feels good to be high?

03:24:11.000 Yeah!

03:24:12.000 That's exactly what I'm saying.

03:24:13.000 Well, that's why God made nitrous oxide.

03:24:15.000 Duncan, didn't you get your pot license with me from a black guy with dreadlocks who was a doctor who was calling it the medicine? 0.62

03:24:23.000 Didn't you and I go to that place?

03:24:25.000 I don't remember, Joe.

03:24:26.000 I'm pretty sure.

03:24:27.000 This was in the early days when it was sketchy.

03:24:31.000 It was sketchy.

03:24:32.000 Grow-ups were sketchy.

03:24:33.000 You didn't want people to know where your grow-up was.

03:24:34.000 It wasn't legal across the board.

03:24:37.000 You had to get a doctor's recommendation.

03:24:40.000 I remember we walked into the doctor's office.

03:24:41.000 Tell me if you remember this.

03:24:42.000 It was this cool black guy with dreadlocks.

03:24:45.000 And he had one of those volcano vapor bags, but it was extra long.

03:24:48.000 He made an extra long bag.

03:24:50.000 Like a normal volcano vapor bag is like that big.

03:24:53.000 He had one that was like three feet.

03:24:54.000 It was cartoonish.

03:24:56.000 And as soon as he saw it, it was like... 0.72

03:24:57.000 Y'all look sick! 0.52

03:24:59.000 Y'all look sick! 0.96

03:25:00.000 Y'all need medicine!

03:25:02.000 Come on in, y'all need medicine!

03:25:03.000 That's hilarious. 1.00

03:25:04.000 And he was baked out of his fucking mind. 0.99

03:25:06.000 He was a legitimate doctor, and he had full-on dreadlocks. 1.00

03:25:09.000 No, that wasn't me.

03:25:09.000 I wasn't with you.

03:25:10.000 I would not forget that.

03:25:11.000 That was not me.

03:25:12.000 But, you know, again, it is healing.

03:25:13.000 I think it is a medicine, and it can be obviously it's a medicine.

03:25:16.000 It is a medicine.

03:25:17.000 It heals people for sure.

03:25:19.000 I just think it's not just a medicine.

03:25:21.000 I think it's much more than that.

03:25:23.000 Maybe we just don't have the language to describe what it is necessarily yet.

03:25:27.000 But people aren't taking ayahuasca to feel good.

03:25:30.000 It's not like a recreational drug.

03:25:33.000 Yeah, you know what?

03:25:34.000 I agree with you there, but I think that a lot of people are not necessarily taking ayahuasca because they want something more out of their life.

03:25:42.000 They want some novelty.

03:25:45.000 They want a heightened experience. 0.97

03:25:46.000 Many people are taking ayahuasca because they're chronically fucking depressed and they're desperate and they need help. 0.85

03:25:51.000 And the people who are administering it that are legitimate, they're like doctors. 0.97

03:25:57.000 Their understanding of these plants is...

03:26:00.000 It's astounding and deep, and I get all that.

03:26:03.000 So I'm certainly not opposed to that concept.

03:26:08.000 I'm just saying the term plant medicine itself, it feels like somehow it's less romantic than I picture psychedelics.

03:26:17.000 To me, psychedelics are...

03:26:18.000 A combination, a hedonic tool, a portal, a means of communion, a spiritual practice, and also a medicine.

03:26:28.000 But there are all those other things too.

03:26:29.000 I think it's more than a medicine, that's all.

03:26:32.000 It's something bigger than medicine.

03:26:34.000 Though all those things I just mentioned you could call a medicine.

03:26:37.000 Maybe there's an expansion of healing, too, that goes beyond the physical and into the psychological and emotional and spiritual, you know, which makes me sound like a hippie.

03:26:46.000 But I just got schooled.

03:26:48.000 I was using the term hallucinogens reflexively.

03:26:52.000 And I had Jim Fadiman on my podcast, who's the microdosing guru.

03:26:56.000 And he very quickly said, you know, that that's got a lot of baggage because you don't actually hallucinate.

03:27:04.000 And it's like, wow, you're right.

03:27:06.000 Psychedelics is definitely a better word for it.

03:27:08.000 It's a better term, but what is happening when you're closing your eyes when you're doing DMT? It's entirely likely that we don't know and that you might be actually interfacing with some other place, but you're seeing things that seem like they must be hallucinations.

03:27:26.000 Yeah.

03:27:26.000 Seems like something is interacting with your visual perception abilities where your eyes are seeing things that are impossible.

03:27:33.000 Now is that because you're actually there?

03:27:35.000 You actually are experiencing these impossible things?

03:27:37.000 Or is it a trick that's happening with chemicals in your eyeballs and your brain and neurochemistry?

03:27:44.000 That's a question to be answered by people far smarter than us.

03:27:47.000 And what is the difference between those two things?

03:27:49.000 To what extent is your experience your reality?

03:27:53.000 Yeah, that's the real question, right?

03:27:54.000 We want to think that if you can't weigh something on a scale, if I can't bang on it with a hammer, if I can't draw on it with a marker, then it's not a real thing.

03:28:03.000 I've always said this, if you had an experience with God, where you literally were transported into heaven, and you had a communication with God, and then God gave you love and wisdom, and then you came back down to earth, into your body, and you This actually did happen.

03:28:18.000 Or you took a drug and the exact same experience took place in every way, shape, and form.

03:28:25.000 The exact amount of time, the exact feeling, the exact message, the exact visuals, the exact re-examining of your life when you return.

03:28:33.000 They're basically the same thing. 1.00

03:28:36.000 I mean, unless you could get God in one of them tuna nets and bring him back there so I could prove that you had God and that you weren't just tripping your fucking balls off. 0.99

03:28:45.000 You're basically telling me a story, bro. 0.99

03:28:47.000 He's gonna be pissed.

03:28:49.000 Yeah.

03:28:49.000 Yeah, I don't know.

03:28:51.000 I'm sure that there's like a lot of scientific materialists hearing that and they're like, they're assholes. 0.88

03:28:56.000 They're like squeezing into their body just in horror, what you're saying, because it's like, they're like, well, the difference is like when you have a dream. 0.97

03:29:06.000 And you have this incredible dream where a unicorn comes out of a clearing in the forest, and a rainbow shoots out of its horn, and then it turns into a swarm of fireflies that spell I love you.

03:29:17.000 Well, that's a really cool dream, but that's not real. 0.98

03:29:22.000 That didn't happen, and it's completely different than if you went into a clearing and saw a fucking unicorn. 0.98

03:29:30.000 Because if you can go in a clearing and see a fucking unicorn, Tell me where the clearing is. 0.99

03:29:34.000 Let's get some nets. 0.99

03:29:36.000 Well, here's the thing about mushrooms, right?

03:29:40.000 Mushrooms, stop and think about the people that wrote the Bible.

03:29:43.000 Stop and think about the people that have discovered mushrooms a long time ago by trial and error or whatever the method was.

03:29:48.000 And imagine everybody deciding to get together in some field somewhere.

03:29:52.000 And you all take these mushrooms and you all literally go to heaven.

03:29:56.000 And you have this insane experience and then you all come back and then you have to write about it in your ancient tongue.

03:30:02.000 You have to write this down in Aramaic on animal skins.

03:30:07.000 You roll these up and put them in clay jars in the caves of Qumran so that someone someday will know this and understand what you've been through.

03:30:15.000 Well, when the drought came, the mushrooms went away and we were left with nothing but stories.

03:30:20.000 I mean, it's a repeat.

03:30:22.000 The craziest thing about psychedelics, especially the natural ones that don't kill anybody, is that somehow or another somebody wound up bribing enough people and putting enough disinformation out that one of the most valuable things ever for human exploration ever, as far as the exploration of our mind,

03:30:38.000 is illegal.

03:30:39.000 One of the most valuable things that's ever existed for changing the way you view the world, giving you a reset, and doesn't kill anybody, it's illegal.

03:30:51.000 It's illegal in societies that are oriented in a way that that would be corrosive.

03:30:58.000 Yeah.

03:30:59.000 Right?

03:30:59.000 And that's why getting back to- Where's it legal?

03:31:02.000 Well, it's legal in Peru and Amazon.

03:31:04.000 They just decriminalized LSD in, what is it, Sweden?

03:31:07.000 Where did they do it?

03:31:08.000 I think it was Sweden.

03:31:09.000 Portugal, everything's legal.

03:31:10.000 Yeah, Portugal's got it nailed.

03:31:11.000 I think in Sweden they made a misdemeanor to, I can't remember, it's like somewhere recently they just made it a misdemeanor to get caught with acid.

03:31:21.000 You know, mushrooms are on the books for the 2018 elections for California.

03:31:25.000 Ah, yes.

03:31:25.000 We have to organize.

03:31:26.000 This is something we really should go after.

03:31:30.000 Yes.

03:31:30.000 You want to talk to me and people, oh God, that's what you guys are going to go after?

03:31:34.000 Mushrooms?

03:31:34.000 No, you really could change the world.

03:31:36.000 And this is not bullshit.

03:31:37.000 If we organize and we got a bunch of people to vote yes on recreational use of mushrooms for adults, I literally think we could change the world. 0.83

03:31:47.000 That would be the best.

03:31:48.000 It could change the world, because like medical marijuana, it will spread to recreational marijuana, if recreational mushrooms get passed, and if they do medical mushrooms get passed, then they can start doing tests on mushrooms, like the John Hopkins psilocybin studies that they've done.

03:32:01.000 You would see literally a change in the world.

03:32:03.000 You would see a shift in global consciousness, and that's not a ridiculous thing to say.

03:32:09.000 You know it's probably true.

03:32:10.000 That's why Tim Scully and his partner made all that orange sunshine acid.

03:32:14.000 I had him on my podcast.

03:32:16.000 He's such a sweet guy.

03:32:18.000 Not interested in money.

03:32:19.000 He could have made tons of money doing other things.

03:32:21.000 He was this child genius.

03:32:25.000 And he just made the acid and went to prison for it because he wanted to change the world.

03:32:29.000 He really thought it would do it.

03:32:30.000 You know who I've been talking to through email?

03:32:33.000 Who?

03:32:33.000 William Leonard Picard, that dude who got busted with all that acid who's in jail now for like multiple life sentences, like when they busted him.

03:32:42.000 He's the guy who was like the missile silo.

03:32:44.000 Oh! 0.60

03:32:45.000 Yeah!

03:32:46.000 That was the guy that had like the girl that lived with him and they were selling ecstasy and someone tried to kill somebody or something?

03:32:52.000 Yeah, it's a crazy story.

03:32:54.000 The other guy got arrested, right?

03:32:56.000 The girl ratted the guy out. 1.00

03:32:58.000 Holy shit. 1.00

03:32:59.000 There's a great book he wrote. 0.99

03:33:00.000 If you want to read a really trippy book, he wrote this book called The Rose of Periclesis.

03:33:06.000 And it's this really cool book.

03:33:07.000 And it's kind of like, it's very intense to read.

03:33:11.000 And the way it's written is really nuts.

03:33:13.000 But...

03:33:15.000 It's pretty interesting.

03:33:16.000 It's talking about sort of the life of a...

03:33:19.000 The setup is a guy is going to talk to an LSD chemist who is sort of explaining what it's like to have to be as secret as you have to be if you're manufacturing.

03:33:32.000 What he calls planetary doses of LSD, which is what they want.

03:33:36.000 Planetary doses.

03:33:37.000 And that's what they wanted to do.

03:33:38.000 That was the idea is like, let's manufacture planetary doses of this substance to upshift the consciousness of the planet.

03:33:46.000 And one of the things he says, it's all very flowery and beautiful, but he's talking about the LSD chemists and people being like, this is a for profit thing.

03:33:53.000 And he's saying, no, you know, for us, money is just the ability to move around because when you're an LSD chemist, and again, it's all very flowery writing, but he says something along the lines of when you're standing next to the forge of the gods, you stop thinking about money as meaning anything because you're breathing in the fumes.

03:34:12.000 You're like constantly in contact with this like mind expanding substance.

03:34:17.000 And good luck when you're mid, you know, 200 microgram trip.

03:34:22.000 Good luck taking money seriously in that moment.

03:34:26.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

03:34:27.000 What is this fucking shit, man? 1.00

03:34:29.000 This stuff's ridiculous. 1.00

03:34:30.000 Yeah, man. 0.97

03:34:34.000 There still is, I hope.

03:34:35.000 I don't know if there is, but there are people who are manufacturing psychedelics and putting their entire lives at risk Not because they want to make money, and it could be maybe they started off wanting to make money, but now they're manufacturing it because they know of all the ways to shift human consciousness.

03:34:52.000 There's lots of ways theoretically to do it, you know?

03:34:55.000 Can you imagine being the person who's responsible for literally like a swimming pool filled with acid that you know will change the world?

03:35:02.000 Like you know, like right in front of you, if you could get this, there would be such a hiccup and shift of culture.

03:35:09.000 I mean, I don't know which way it would go.

03:35:10.000 I don't know what would happen.

03:35:11.000 I don't know how much schizophrenia you would trigger.

03:35:13.000 I don't know how many people would blow fuses.

03:35:15.000 I don't know.

03:35:16.000 But I do know that something would happen.

03:35:18.000 You know about medieval times when this happened, basically.

03:35:21.000 Ergot, right?

03:35:21.000 Yeah, and the rye.

03:35:22.000 Yeah, that's what they think happened with the Salem witch trials.

03:35:25.000 That literally, the ergot and the rye, because of an early frost, some new fungus had grown on some of the bread, and they were able to run tests on it, and they believed that it has LSD-like property to it.

03:35:37.000 Yeah.

03:35:38.000 I mean, that's certainly one of the potential ways to upshift consciousness, getting people having access to psychedelics in a consensual way. 0.99

03:35:51.000 You know, like when you're fucking chomping polluted wheat and suddenly you think your neighbor's a fucking Satan. 0.99

03:35:58.000 Pretty scary. 0.99

03:35:59.000 That's different than, like, deciding to take a psychedelic in a responsible way and then understanding a little bit more about how to be compassionate or something like that, you know?

03:36:09.000 Or just seeing yourself for the first time.

03:36:12.000 I mean, do you remember seeing yourself?

03:36:13.000 The first time I took mushrooms, I saw myself, and I was like, oh.

03:36:17.000 Yeah.

03:36:17.000 That's who I am.

03:36:18.000 You know, like, before you do it, it's like you have this idea looking in, out, and then you're separated from all of your life.

03:36:26.000 And you're like this entity observing from the outside your life.

03:36:31.000 It was the first time I ever considered myself outside of myself.

03:36:34.000 Dude, this is, I'm sorry, I always bring up Ram Dass on your podcast. 1.00

03:36:37.000 You love him.

03:36:38.000 I love him.

03:36:39.000 You're holding on to his beads.

03:36:40.000 One of the great stories is that he gave LSD to Neem Karoli Baba, his guru, twice.

03:36:49.000 First time, and you can find a YouTube video of him telling this story.

03:36:52.000 It's amazing.

03:36:52.000 He gives him like, you know, Owsley.

03:36:55.000 Owsley, Kid Charlemagne, has given him...

03:36:59.000 This incredible LSD. He says it's 300 microgram tablets made by one of the great LSD chemists of our time.

03:37:07.000 And he's going to India to give it to people.

03:37:08.000 And he gives 600 micrograms to Neem Crowley Baba. 1.00

03:37:13.000 Now 600 micrograms is like, fuck that, fuck that, fuck that. 1.00

03:37:17.000 That's just too much. 1.00

03:37:19.000 And Neem Crowley Baba eats it. 0.98

03:37:21.000 But the way he's eating it is he's like doing this, throwing it in his mouth.

03:37:25.000 And he eats it and nothing happens.

03:37:26.000 So Ram Dass gets back to the United States.

03:37:28.000 He's telling one of his scientist friends this story.

03:37:31.000 His scientist friend says, come on, dude. 0.99

03:37:33.000 He didn't fucking eat it. 0.99

03:37:34.000 He palmed it. 0.99

03:37:36.000 He threw it over his shoulder. 1.00

03:37:37.000 This story is bullshit. 1.00

03:37:39.000 You got tricked. 1.00

03:37:40.000 You got hoodwinked by a fucking baba out in India. 1.00

03:37:43.000 They're all out there. 1.00

03:37:44.000 They just want you to worship them.

03:37:45.000 They want you to think they're powerful.

03:37:47.000 So Ram Dass gets back.

03:37:49.000 To India the second time with acid again. 0.95

03:37:52.000 And this guy named Corley Baba says to him, when you were here last time, what did you give me?

03:37:59.000 And Ram Dass says, well, I gave you LSD. And he's like, did I take it?

03:38:06.000 And Ram Dass is like, I don't know.

03:38:09.000 And he's like, give me more, give me more.

03:38:10.000 So he gives him more, and he takes these pills, puts them in his mouth, chewing them up in front of him, and opens his mouth.

03:38:17.000 His mouth is coated with tablet acid.

03:38:21.000 He's taken, according to Ram Dass now, 900 mics of this stuff.

03:38:25.000 And so...

03:38:27.000 He goes under his blanket and starts shaking.

03:38:31.000 And I know people now have seen, who saw this happen, not just him telling the story, who saw it happen. 0.99

03:38:36.000 And they said, like, the fucking blood rushed out of Ram Dass' face. 0.98

03:38:40.000 He's like, oh my god, oh my god, what have I done? 1.00

03:38:42.000 What was I fucking thinking? 0.97

03:38:43.000 I just drove this dude crazy. 1.00

03:38:45.000 I essentially just gave an old man 900 micrograms of fucking acid in the hills of India and he's going to go fucking nuts and it's going to be my fault. 1.00

03:38:54.000 Right? 0.99

03:38:54.000 And so Neem Krolybaba comes out of the blanket. 0.99

03:38:57.000 His eyes are back in his head.

03:38:59.000 He's like...

03:39:01.000 And then he just goes back to completely normal.

03:39:03.000 Nothing.

03:39:04.000 No effect.

03:39:05.000 And he says to him...

03:39:07.000 So was he laughing?

03:39:08.000 What? 1.00

03:39:09.000 No, he was playing a joke to fuck with him. 1.00

03:39:12.000 But he was just fucking with him. 0.99

03:39:16.000 But what he said to him was really interesting. 0.98

03:39:20.000 What he said to him was, they used to have something like this in the Indus Valley.

03:39:25.000 And he said, this will bring you into the presence of Christ.

03:39:31.000 But you have to leave.

03:39:33.000 Better to become Christ than to hang out with him, is what he said.

03:39:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:39:40.000 Because their premise was, this is something.

03:39:43.000 Like, this is definitely a thing, for sure.

03:39:46.000 But you can be that thing.

03:39:48.000 Yeah, yeah, that's it.

03:39:49.000 Or you can live there.

03:39:51.000 I think that we're entirely imprisoned by a wall of ideas and of behavior and of momentum and of culture and of conditioning and the way we look at the world is like these pre-programmed trunks.

03:40:05.000 That's a car.

03:40:06.000 That's a building.

03:40:06.000 I don't think necessarily we see it from what it really completely is, which is some very strange temporary life That no one has really defined the meaning of.

03:40:19.000 We're in infinity, hurling through space, surrounding a giant nuclear explosion, rocketing through the universe, and all of it trying to make sense of it all.

03:40:29.000 And in between there, you've got cops killing people in hallways.

03:40:32.000 You've got Black Lives Matter.

03:40:35.000 You've got every single possible variation from furries to people that it's their job to ticket street vendors who don't have the right...

03:40:45.000 The whole thing is, this entire thing that we're experiencing is really psychedelic.

03:40:51.000 If you weren't living life, and if life made way more sense, if the world that we're normally accustomed to is much more controlled and two-dimensional, Yeah.

03:41:20.000 Whoa, this is crazy.

03:41:22.000 Nonverbal expression.

03:41:24.000 Strip clubs. 0.82

03:41:26.000 Race cars.

03:41:27.000 All of it.

03:41:28.000 Planes.

03:41:29.000 What?

03:41:30.000 They have metal tubes?

03:41:30.000 They fly them through the air?

03:41:31.000 The fuck? 1.00

03:41:32.000 We're just so used to all of it. 1.00

03:41:34.000 That life itself is very psychedelic.

03:41:37.000 It's just a psychedelic experience that we've grown deeply accustomed to.

03:41:42.000 And I think the psychedelic experience that you have when you're on a heavy duty thing like a DMT... It's like you venture forth into a dimension that you don't have context for, but you feel familiar.

03:41:53.000 You feel familiar with it, but you don't have context for it.

03:41:56.000 It doesn't fit into your normal patterns.

03:41:58.000 But the normal patterns are just as bizarre, man.

03:42:01.000 The normal patterns...

03:42:01.000 We're taking...

03:42:03.000 Liquid out of these clear plastic things that are made out of oil that somehow they figured out to turn into a clear plastic.

03:42:11.000 And we fill it up with liquids and you drink them and you chuck these things in.

03:42:14.000 If you follow the path of this plastic bottle, it might eventually wind up in some seagull's gut choking it to death in the middle of the ocean, you know?

03:42:23.000 I mean...

03:42:24.000 It's bizarre.

03:42:25.000 But then also add to that that you're melting into time, too, while you drink from the bottle.

03:42:30.000 It's just not the insanity of this bottle.

03:42:33.000 This bottle's mid-process. 1.00

03:42:35.000 It's somewhere from some batch of gooey shit to being a bottle to being in a seagull's gut. 1.00

03:42:41.000 You're mid-process, too. 1.00

03:42:43.000 Honey, you're getting funny.

03:42:46.000 You sound like mid-scene.

03:42:48.000 You're getting dissolved!

03:42:49.000 You know what I mean?

03:42:50.000 You're mid-process.

03:42:52.000 And so is the sun. 1.00

03:42:53.000 And so is the fucking sun. 0.99

03:42:55.000 But you know, a fun thing to do. 0.99

03:42:56.000 This is something that occurred to me when I was super high recently. 0.99

03:42:59.000 I was sitting in this fucking apartment. 0.99

03:43:02.000 And then suddenly it dawned on me like, wait a minute, how many other people are gonna fucking live here? 0.99

03:43:07.000 And then I'm thinking like, wait, how many people have lived here? 0.98

03:43:10.000 And then I'm thinking, how many conversations have happened in this fucking apartment where everybody thought these were really serious conversations? 0.97

03:43:16.000 Like, oh yeah, we're really getting into it, man! 0.99

03:43:18.000 And then you realize, oh my god, I'm just a little eddy of air spinning around in this fucking apartment. 0.95

03:43:24.000 I'm gonna leave and there's gonna be other little eddies of air that spin around in this apartment. 0.87

03:43:29.000 The apartment's gonna be around way longer than any of those other eddies of air. 0.87

03:43:33.000 Really, just to add to what you're saying, the glorious nature of the universe versus our ability to comprehend it is that we are so fucking impermanent.

03:43:43.000 We are so impermanent.

03:43:44.000 And we are so fluid and we're so melting into time.

03:43:48.000 It's a really amazing thing to allow you.

03:43:50.000 And you say we're used to it.

03:43:53.000 And sometimes I think, yeah, that must be it.

03:43:55.000 But I think also there's a lot of we're ignoring it.

03:43:58.000 We're numb to it.

03:44:00.000 It's too much to deal with.

03:44:02.000 We are overwhelmed.

03:44:02.000 Yes.

03:44:03.000 You know, you think about hunter-gatherers.

03:44:05.000 Hunter-gatherers lived in the world that created them. 1.00

03:44:08.000 The world that they evolved in, right?

03:44:10.000 So it's the same world, your father and grandfather and great-grandfather.

03:44:13.000 Everybody lived in the same world.

03:44:15.000 So the skills you're born learning, you grew up learning, those are the skills that are appropriate to your world.

03:44:21.000 We're in a world now where even people who are alive are in a different world than the one they were born into.

03:44:29.000 I grew up before the internet.

03:44:31.000 This is all new. 0.99

03:44:32.000 I was in my 30s when this shit started. 1.00

03:44:34.000 It's nuts. 0.99

03:44:36.000 But younger people can't imagine what it was like to travel before there was email.

03:44:41.000 Yeah, so you were like 40 when the first iPhone came out, right?

03:44:44.000 I was born in 62. So the whole thing is, it's hard to imagine it being any different than it is.

03:44:53.000 But if you really just think of what it is, just the discussions that we've had here today about what the potential issues could be with AI, with advancing technology that has not been mapped out.

03:45:05.000 It's not going to be regulated as far as how far innovation is allowed to continue.

03:45:10.000 They're going to be so far ahead of the people that understand the regulations.

03:45:14.000 Things are going to be coming out, like the Internet itself.

03:45:17.000 The Internet came out itself before they really understood what the implications were. 0.93

03:45:20.000 I mean, if the government could go back in time and pull the fucking, hey, hey, hey, pop, let's talk about this first. 0.77

03:45:26.000 Pull that plug right out of the wall before the internet went on AOL. Let's just talk about what we're going to do with this, and let's manage this, because let me show you what it could be. 0.93

03:45:36.000 And then you see, 25 years later, people holding on their phones, walking into traffic, and getting hit by cars, because they're so addicted to checking their Facebook feed.

03:45:44.000 Yeah, man.

03:45:45.000 Yeah, it's nuts.

03:45:46.000 Yeah, imagine if a drug could do what cell phones do. 0.51

03:45:49.000 Imagine if a drug came along and the drug made you like stare at your hands all day.

03:45:54.000 Everybody was just like staring at their hands.

03:45:56.000 It's like praying.

03:45:57.000 Yeah, the only difference is you are getting some information.

03:46:01.000 But I mean if there was a drug that came along that made you want to stare at your hands like 90% of the day.

03:46:06.000 Yeah.

03:46:07.000 If you're playing video games, you're not getting any information.

03:46:10.000 That's true.

03:46:11.000 How dare you.

03:46:13.000 Well, they say that video games in some ways are good for the psyche, though.

03:46:16.000 Good for the psyche.

03:46:18.000 They make great drone pilots.

03:46:20.000 Yeah.

03:46:21.000 You know what's not good for my psyche? 0.99

03:46:23.000 Getting my fucking ass kicked at Hearthstone with this new expansion. 1.00

03:46:26.000 Nerd call out! 1.00

03:46:27.000 But very quickly, though, the thing you're talking about, the concept of a drug that makes you stare at your hands...

03:46:37.000 I think our thoughts at one point, like the ability to think the way we do, was a new technology that started emerging. 0.98

03:46:45.000 And so like when you're caught up in your thoughts, What's the difference between that and looking at your fucking cell phone?

03:46:51.000 Like when you get obsessed with your thoughts and like, because I've noticed like whenever I get really caught up in a flurry of thoughts and I allow myself to really get lost in the thing you're talking about, the simulation, the projection into the future. 0.78

03:47:03.000 You're 17 fights ahead with this person because they said this thing that they're never going to say.

03:47:08.000 I think that's a form of looking at your cell phone.

03:47:11.000 Only it's the internal simulator inside the neuro computer that your brain is.

03:47:16.000 But I don't think it's too much different.

03:47:18.000 I think both of these things are just different attempts to try to evade the present moment because the present moment is so overwhelmingly, heartbreakingly beautiful that we'd rather have our faces buried in our phones or in our thoughts.

03:47:32.000 I think that's the problem.

03:47:33.000 It's the more that we get into the moment. 0.98

03:47:35.000 It's fucking amazing here. 0.95

03:47:36.000 It is amazing, but I don't think it's the fact that it's beautiful that's making people be distracted. 0.98

03:47:42.000 I think it's overwhelming I think?

03:48:04.000 There's keys for that.

03:48:05.000 There's receptors for all that stuff. 0.78

03:48:07.000 When you're walking down fucking Santa Monica Boulevard, and there's people honking their horn, and different music is playing in different cars, and there's smells that aren't natural, and there's so much data coming your way. 0.87

03:48:19.000 It's overwhelming. 1.00

03:48:20.000 And then you're thinking about your work and your job, and your boss keeps giving you massages, and you're like this creepy cunt. 1.00

03:48:27.000 You know, you just want to... 0.99

03:48:29.000 Well, it gets back to that natural-unnatural conversation we began with, right?

03:48:33.000 Because, you know, you're describing the metaphor of receptor cells or something for these different inputs.

03:48:39.000 But another way to look at it is your body has expectations, right?

03:48:44.000 Your eyes are designed with an expectation of certain wavelengths of light that are relevant to this animal.

03:48:53.000 Those are like the reds of the berries are relevant because now they're ripe and blood is shocking and all that.

03:49:00.000 The ears are expectations of certain decibel levels that would be important for this animal to hear.

03:49:05.000 Rabbits have a totally different set up. 0.97

03:49:08.000 So your whole body, your lungs are an expectation of oxygen rich air, everything.

03:49:13.000 And when you take that animal out, it's confused because what it's expecting isn't there.

03:49:20.000 So it's not just metaphorical, it's actually physiologically we're living in a world that our bodies don't expect. 0.98

03:49:28.000 God damn, what a great way to end this thing. 0.98

03:49:30.000 After sitting for five hours. 1.00

03:49:32.000 Fuck, this was fun. 1.00

03:49:34.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

03:49:35.000 Thank you, guys.

03:49:36.000 Let's do this more often.

03:49:37.000 Make these easy.

03:49:38.000 We can all just triple cast it.

03:49:40.000 You want to do that?

03:49:40.000 We'll all three put it out.

03:49:42.000 Sure.

03:49:42.000 We'll do that all the time.

03:49:43.000 Let's do it.

03:49:44.000 I think that's probably the best way to do it all the time.

03:49:46.000 Let's do it.

03:49:47.000 Makes sense.

03:49:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:49:48.000 So that way nobody has to miss any of them or not subscribe.

03:49:51.000 And you guys are both here now.

03:49:53.000 Yes.

03:49:53.000 You're here?

03:49:54.000 Yes.

03:49:54.000 You're moving back.

03:49:55.000 I'm back.

03:49:56.000 You're done.

03:49:56.000 And you're here.

03:49:57.000 Unless I get kidnapped in Peru.

03:50:00.000 Let's try to do these a little bit.

03:50:01.000 Let's do it.

03:50:02.000 Let's do them more often.

03:50:03.000 I'm up for it.

03:50:03.000 They're some of my favorite podcasts ever.

03:50:05.000 Thanks, Joe.

03:50:05.000 Thanks.

03:50:06.000 That Chris Ryan on Twitter.

03:50:08.000 And what is the Instagram?

03:50:09.000 Same.

03:50:10.000 Same.

03:50:10.000 That Chris Ryan.

03:50:10.000 And Duncan Trussell and everything.

03:50:12.000 At Duncan Trussell on Twitter. 1.00

03:50:13.000 All right, fuckers. 1.00

03:50:14.000 Thank you. 1.00

03:50:14.000 Bye. 1.00

03:50:15.000 Bye.

03:50:15.000 Yay!

03:50:18.000 Ah, cool.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 12, 2017

Joe Rogan Experience #1051 - Duncan Trussell & Christopher Ryan

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