The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1091 - Daniele Bolelli

00:00:03.000 Boom, and we're live.

00:00:05.000 Daniele Bolelli, the man with the most beautiful accent in the world.

00:00:09.000 I just read an iTunes review saying, it's kind of weird listening to this guy describing this horror story with the accent from, it sounds like he's making you pizza while he's talking.

00:00:20.000 And the thing they don't know is I am making them pizza while I'm talking.

00:00:23.000 That is what's happening.

00:00:24.000 Yeah, and if they could see you, you look like a professor that was kidnapped by a biker gang. 0.95

00:00:30.000 He comes in here with this red brotherhood jacket on, this leather jacket from these Native Americans with this big red fist on it. 1.00

00:00:38.000 He's got a bandana on.

00:00:41.000 You're missing a motorcycle.

00:00:42.000 That's all you're missing.

00:00:43.000 Right?

00:00:44.000 That's next.

00:00:45.000 You could be in some Easy Rider type movie.

00:00:47.000 Right?

00:00:47.000 I could see it.

00:00:49.000 Carrying a shotgun, too.

00:00:50.000 I dig that.

00:00:51.000 So, are you digging doing this podcast?

00:00:54.000 Are you kidding me?

00:00:54.000 History on Fire?

00:00:55.000 Oh, man.

00:00:56.000 I'm loving it.

00:00:57.000 I'm having fun.

00:00:57.000 Well, let's put it that way.

00:00:59.000 I love doing it. 0.99

00:01:00.000 It's a royal pain in the ass, the research. 0.99

00:01:03.000 Your podcast, much like Dan Carlin's, is very different. 0.99

00:01:06.000 I always feel ashamed calling my podcast a podcast, because you sit down and talk, but yours is like, it's an audio lesson on history.

00:01:16.000 An in-depth audio lesson on, like, very extreme aspects of history.

00:01:21.000 Yeah, it gets...

00:01:22.000 And, you know, that part I enjoy because the storytelling part is awesome.

00:01:26.000 You get to spin a story, make it exciting, connect it with pop culture, do something that's fun.

00:01:31.000 That's the part that I love.

00:01:32.000 It's the month prior to that of just brutal research, just combing through boring historical book after boring historical book to find those little nuggets that are amazing.

00:01:42.000 Yeah.

00:01:43.000 And then spin it into a narrative.

00:01:45.000 That's the part that gets a little old sometimes, where you're like, man, do I really need to read 200 hours of stuff for this one thing?

00:01:53.000 It's like, that's a lot.

00:01:54.000 Yeah, I can only imagine.

00:01:55.000 Now when you do that, when you're going over, combing over all these different history books and all these different papers written on various times, do you, are you like extracting chunks and like putting them in Microsoft Word and then going over it?

00:02:09.000 And then like, how do you, do you form it?

00:02:10.000 Well, my question is kind of like, do you form it as a script or how much of it, so everything is Completely written out?

00:02:16.000 No.

00:02:17.000 Not exactly, because otherwise then it sounds like you're a guy reading a thing and it's boring and it doesn't sound right.

00:02:23.000 I just take super extensive notes, kind of like if you are to give a lecture that you've never given, you're not going to sit down and read it, but you are going to, you know, you have something to keep you on track to make sure it's like, oh, where am I going next?

00:02:36.000 Okay, great.

00:02:37.000 There's that thing.

00:02:37.000 Right.

00:02:38.000 So it's as detailed as possible without turning it into a dry guy reading his page type of stuff. 0.98

00:02:47.000 Yeah, I mean, history is such a fucking awesome subject because people are crazy. 0.84

00:02:53.000 And throughout history, people have done so many crazy things that it's just... 0.91

00:02:59.000 It's such a great thing to know. 0.84

00:03:03.000 If you only had today, like if we only had our current era, and we're looking around at how fucking maniacal people are and how crazy the world is, we'd be like, God, how'd this happen? 0.80

00:03:14.000 How did we get here? 0.99

00:03:15.000 And then you just listen to your podcast, and you go, oh, this shit's been going on forever. 1.00

00:03:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:03:21.000 Seriously.

00:03:22.000 This is the good topic.

00:03:23.000 Exactly.

00:03:24.000 This is...

00:03:25.000 In case you are wondering, it's good times.

00:03:28.000 And yes, there's much to complain about, and yes, there's much we can do better, without a doubt, ladies and gentlemen. 0.90

00:03:33.000 But this is as fucking good as it's ever been, by far!

00:03:37.000 Yeah, the human psyche is a very weird place, because there's so much amazing stuff that human beings do. 0.95

00:03:43.000 There's just so much.

00:03:44.000 And then there's the amount of horror that can be unleashed throughout, that has been unleashed throughout history by people against other people.

00:03:52.000 It's just insane.

00:03:54.000 Yeah, what is like, when you go back and you go over history, what is the most confusing or disturbing era?

00:04:02.000 You know, to me it's not so much a particular period, because the same patterns emerge a lot of the times at different point in time.

00:04:11.000 It's more those moments, you know, when mob mentality takes over.

00:04:16.000 Because the reality is, the average person is not...

00:04:19.000 I don't have the worldview where I think the average person is evil.

00:04:22.000 I don't think that.

00:04:23.000 I think the average person is weak, which means that when in a conditions where everybody's pushing in one direction, it's very easy to jump on the bandwagon.

00:04:31.000 And in some cases, then a very ordinary human being can do horrible actions. 0.99

00:04:37.000 You meet them for dinner and you think, pleasant person, good enough, but you put them in the wrong context and everything turns to shit. 0.99

00:04:44.000 I just did... 0.98

00:04:46.000 I just finished right now this two-part series.

00:04:48.000 That's probably the most disturbing.

00:04:49.000 Now I want to do a podcast about flowers and puppies because this one was heavy, man.

00:04:54.000 I did this series on kind of compare and contrast on the Sand Creek Massacre of the Cheyenne in Colorado in the 1860s and then My Lai in Vietnam in 1968. And actually, I split it because I did Sun Creek and I had this guy,

00:05:11.000 Daryl Cooper, who was the Martyr Made podcast.

00:05:13.000 He's an amazing podcaster and he covered Milai.

00:05:15.000 And then in the third episode, we're going to sit down and kind of chat about what does this all mean about the human nature?

00:05:22.000 Why do...

00:05:24.000 The reason why that particular story, those two stories, interests me is because it's a brutal massacre of civilians, but in both cases there are soldiers who refuse to participate or actually try to stop it.

00:05:36.000 They are not the majority, they are a minority, but they are there and they try.

00:05:39.000 So it's not just a story of people doing ugly stuff, it's like, What is that make one guy when older, hey, go shoot that three-year-old.

00:05:48.000 One guy goes, yes, sir, and does it.

00:05:50.000 And the next guy goes, no, that's not who we are. 0.99

00:05:52.000 Screw you. 0.94

00:05:53.000 I'm not doing that. 0.99

00:05:54.000 That's what interests me.

00:05:55.000 It's like the individual element of what make people in the exact same circumstances, one person go down a really dark path and somebody else instead of in the balls to say, no, that's not who I am.

00:06:05.000 That's not what we do.

00:06:06.000 With the Native American massacre, how many people were the ones that refused?

00:06:10.000 Because you never hear about that.

00:06:11.000 All you hear about is the horrific actions of the soldiers.

00:06:14.000 Yeah, which was the majority, but there was also, like, there was this one guy, what's the guy named, Silas Sol.

00:06:21.000 He was, talk about a guy with bolts of iron, because the guy, he and a couple of other officers refused to let the men under them, because they were divided in different companies, so...

00:06:32.000 Their companies, they say, no, we're not participating in this.

00:06:35.000 This is just straight up slaughter.

00:06:36.000 These guys are not even a real target.

00:06:38.000 These are a bunch of civilians.

00:06:40.000 They refused, and then Silas Soul testified against his commander at the inquiry, and then he was promptly murdered shortly after that.

00:06:48.000 So it's like, it's a crazy story.

00:06:50.000 But still to this day, there are people from the Cheyenne tribe who every year they have a ceremony for Silas Soul because they said it had not been for him.

00:06:57.000 A lot more of us would have died on that day, and he did a really brave thing and paid a price for it.

00:07:04.000 So, you know, if you're looking for heroism, you can do a lot worse than look at this guy's story because that guy was seriously, You know, stand up for his conviction under the most extreme circumstances.

00:07:14.000 So I can't tell, but I admire that.

00:07:17.000 Yeah, that would be incredibly difficult to just imagine What those people were doing.

00:07:23.000 I mean, when you hear some of the accounts of the slaughters of Native Americans, it's just terrifying that people can just look at someone and just decide that's not a person or that's not us.

00:07:34.000 This is the other.

00:07:35.000 They've got to be eliminated. 1.00

00:07:36.000 So we're just going to kill all these kids. 1.00

00:07:38.000 We're going to kill all these women. 1.00

00:07:40.000 And it happened all over the country. 1.00

00:07:43.000 I mean, there's two things that happen to Native Americans.

00:07:46.000 One, the big one, is disease.

00:07:49.000 Sure.

00:07:49.000 And wasn't on purpose.

00:07:50.000 There's this big myth that people put, like, They put smallpox in blankets, and that's all bullshit, right? 0.86

00:07:58.000 It's pretty much been proven that they didn't really understand bacteria or diseases.

00:08:03.000 There's one story that's possible, is not a proven thing, because initially nobody understood bacteria and disease, or the first hundred plus years, completely unintentional.

00:08:14.000 There's one tale about the French and Indian War, where during a break, the British are talking about it, saying, one of the commanders saying, hey, maybe we should give them some blankets from the smallpox hospital.

00:08:24.000 But, you know, while we do know that he suggested it, we have no proof whatsoever that it was actually done.

00:08:30.000 So that's probably how the rumor got started, right?

00:08:33.000 Probably.

00:08:33.000 But in most cases, what happened is just that the Europeans came over and just inadvertently introduced Native Americans' diseases and 90% of them were wiped out.

00:08:44.000 Yeah.

00:08:44.000 That's a crazy number if you really stop and think about it.

00:08:47.000 It's considered probably the most dramatic demographic disaster in human history because, you know, never before you had a situation where a whole continent was not exposed to a series of diseases.

00:08:58.000 And so, of course, there's no immunity the first time they're exposed.

00:09:01.000 Like, you know, you don't need to even have smallpox.

00:09:03.000 You can sneeze on somebody and the next day half the village is dead, you know?

00:09:07.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:09:08.000 It's amazing that if a group of people just has not come in contact with something that other people come in contact with all the time, and just, oh, we've got a cold, you'll be fine, just have some chicken soup, take a nap.

00:09:20.000 Meanwhile, these people are just dead.

00:09:22.000 It just kills them off.

00:09:23.000 That's probably why aliens don't show up. 1.00

00:09:25.000 It's like, those motherfuckers are dirty. 1.00

00:09:27.000 Maybe. 1.00

00:09:28.000 If we show up, they sneeze on us and our whole planet will die.

00:09:31.000 Or maybe the opposite. 0.99

00:09:32.000 They know they'll kill us. 0.99

00:09:33.000 Exactly. 0.82

00:09:34.000 Maybe they have some super advanced diseases.

00:09:36.000 That's the other possibility.

00:09:37.000 I guess it's just an immune system thing, right?

00:09:39.000 If your immune system is not prepared for it.

00:09:42.000 That's how it is.

00:09:42.000 There's a great book by a guy named Dan Flores.

00:09:46.000 Well, he wrote two, but one of them actually was a paper that he wrote about the buffalo.

00:09:53.000 And he's saying that it's really interesting because he compares the Initial encounters that European settlers had and European travelers had before the Native Americans were wiped out.

00:10:08.000 And they talk about how many animals were on the plains and they make a direct account of it.

00:10:13.000 And then after the Europeans had come and 90% of the Native Americans had been wiped out, that's when the buffalo population increase goes through the roof. 0.95

00:10:21.000 And you're seeing these...

00:10:26.000 Gigantic herds, I guess, of millions and millions of buffalo.

00:10:30.000 And he said that's directly attributed to the lack of predators, which means lack of Native Americans, because they were preying on these buffalo.

00:10:38.000 Really interesting.

00:10:39.000 Yeah, that guy, you had him on the podcast once, right?

00:10:41.000 Yeah, I gotta get him on again.

00:10:43.000 I love that guy.

00:10:43.000 That was awesome.

00:10:44.000 His book, Coyote America.

00:10:46.000 Yeah, yeah, that one.

00:10:46.000 That was great.

00:10:47.000 That book changed the way I feel about coyotes. 1.00

00:10:49.000 I used to be like, fuck those little rats. 1.00

00:10:51.000 I'll run them over. 1.00

00:10:52.000 Now I'm like, those are little wolves, man. 0.88

00:10:54.000 They're pretty badass.

00:10:56.000 Yeah, that was a great episode.

00:10:57.000 I enjoyed that one.

00:10:57.000 Yeah, they are so gangster.

00:10:59.000 One just stared me down the other day. 0.99

00:11:01.000 I stopped my fucking car and just, you know, because he was in, it was kind of a, not a lot of people in this area. 0.99

00:11:08.000 It was fairly late at night and he was on this road. 0.99

00:11:11.000 I said, let me just pull over and just see what this coyote does. 0.99

00:11:14.000 And he just fucking stood like 30 feet from my car just staring at me. 0.96

00:11:18.000 Just staring at me. 0.99

00:11:19.000 That's badass right there.

00:11:20.000 Just like, whatever, dude.

00:11:21.000 What are you gonna do?

00:11:22.000 I'm about to run into these woods.

00:11:24.000 You're never gonna see me again.

00:11:25.000 Or I'll stick around. 1.00

00:11:26.000 Maybe if you fuck up, I'll eat you. 1.00

00:11:28.000 Right. 1.00

00:11:29.000 I'm just trying to figure out what to do right here.

00:11:31.000 Those guys don't mess around.

00:11:33.000 It's crazy that they just can live and be completely embedded in our society.

00:11:39.000 We had a biologist.

00:11:41.000 What was the gentleman's name that we had from the Department of Parks and Services?

00:11:46.000 See if we can find this guy.

00:11:49.000 He's actually a biologist who tracks coyotes, and he tracks them all over the state, and he even tracks mountain lions.

00:11:57.000 They tag them and put those collars on them and stuff.

00:11:59.000 But he said that there's a pack of coyotes that lives in downtown LA. Yeah, I believe it.

00:12:04.000 In the heat of everything.

00:12:05.000 They found some abandoned building, and they denned up in this abandoned building, and that's where they live.

00:12:11.000 Those guys are resilient.

00:12:12.000 They thrive in anything.

00:12:14.000 They thrive.

00:12:14.000 Yeah.

00:12:15.000 You like crazy animal stories, so check this out about a coyote.

00:12:20.000 My mom went for a walk with her dog, and her dog is a big, mean dog, right?

00:12:24.000 So they are walking, and they see ahead of them this little girl, probably 10 years old, with this tiny little five-pound dog type of thing.

00:12:32.000 And there's a coyote maybe like 20 yards behind her that's clearly stalking them and the girl didn't see it.

00:12:38.000 And he's obviously aiming for the five pounder and it's just...

00:12:41.000 And so my mom yelled at her like, hey, watch out. 1.00

00:12:43.000 So the girl freaks out, pick up her dog and she figures she's safe. 1.00

00:12:47.000 Coyote doesn't give a fuck. 0.99

00:12:48.000 She's still stalking them down. 0.99

00:12:50.000 And so at that point, my mom kind of let her dog go and the dog chased the coyote off and that was that.

00:12:55.000 But I was like...

00:12:57.000 Man, those guys, you don't want to leave little dogs.

00:13:00.000 You don't want to leave little girls around. 1.00

00:13:02.000 I know, it's like, why a ten-year-old is walking the dog by herself?

00:13:06.000 That's probably not the best idea.

00:13:08.000 There was an instance that happened a few years back where a 19-year-old girl was murdered, not murdered, killed, partially eaten by coyotes.

00:13:18.000 Coyotes?

00:13:18.000 Serious?

00:13:19.000 Yeah.

00:13:19.000 I think they bit some chunks out of her.

00:13:22.000 Tore her apart and she died in the hospital.

00:13:25.000 19 year old, an adult.

00:13:27.000 Yeah.

00:13:27.000 But it was unusual circumstances.

00:13:30.000 And one of the unusual circumstances is that the coyotes in this area are very limited in terms of what game is available.

00:13:37.000 So much so that they've been known to go after moose.

00:13:41.000 That these little coyotes actually go after moose and have successfully taken moose out.

00:13:46.000 Jesus.

00:13:47.000 Yeah, so these are gangster coyotes.

00:13:48.000 Yeah, because when you look at them, they don't look that big.

00:13:50.000 They're like 50 pounds.

00:13:52.000 Exactly.

00:13:52.000 They're really big ones, like 50 pounds.

00:13:53.000 Yeah.

00:13:54.000 Yeah.

00:13:54.000 I watched a video the other day of a mother moose trying to stop these wolves from eating her cow or eating her calf.

00:14:03.000 Yeah, I've seen that same stuff.

00:14:04.000 It's horrific, man.

00:14:05.000 She's running around stomping these wolves, and they're circling her, and then they just grab the calf and drag it away, and she's fighting off the other wolves and stomping them. 0.99

00:14:13.000 She stomped the shit out of a few of them, though. 1.00

00:14:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:14:15.000 She fucked a few of them up probably forever. 1.00

00:14:17.000 It's more satisfaction, though, as when... 1.00

00:14:20.000 Yeah.

00:14:21.000 Yeah, I saw that one. 1.00

00:14:22.000 That one sucks. 0.99

00:14:23.000 There he is, Justin Brown. 1.00

00:14:25.000 That gentleman.

00:14:26.000 Very nice guy.

00:14:27.000 He gave us a lot of interesting insight as to what happens with biologists, how they track these animals and what some of the problems are.

00:14:37.000 But we're in such a unique place in Southern California because there's such a massive population of people, but there's all these predators that are sort of like entangled in our system, you know?

00:14:51.000 Like hawks everywhere. 0.98

00:14:52.000 Everywhere you look, there's hawks swooping down, snatching doves and shit. 0.99

00:14:57.000 Yeah, my daughter got a little dog. 0.99

00:14:59.000 I always thought little dogs were nasty rats, but I started liking these things.

00:15:03.000 I'm like, okay, I'm changing my mind about it.

00:15:05.000 This is a cool dog, but it's still like eight pounds or something.

00:15:08.000 So I'm like, you can't let him alone in the yard.

00:15:11.000 Not because there's...

00:15:12.000 Probably not coyotes in the yard, but there are definitely hawks around.

00:15:16.000 There's definitely owls.

00:15:17.000 That thing looks like a big rabbit.

00:15:19.000 They are going to snatch it in three seconds.

00:15:21.000 You cannot leave him in the yard like that.

00:15:24.000 Because, yeah, I mean, that's how it is.

00:15:26.000 That's when you have predators around.

00:15:27.000 You need to keep your eyes open.

00:15:29.000 Yeah, there's no getting around it.

00:15:31.000 There's no getting around it.

00:15:32.000 You know, and when we look at how horrific the wild world is, it's not a surprise that people who are just like recently civilized over the last, you know, like really realistically 10,000 years...

00:15:45.000 Yeah, everybody's like, there's this really dark thing in people's minds where it's an option on the table.

00:15:53.000 Most people are never going to pull the trigger and go down there, but that's part of who we are as human beings.

00:16:00.000 And I think that's why I enjoyed doing this, the Sun Creek Milai, because it's a story that's not trying to bash any side.

00:16:06.000 It's not like, oh, look at those bad Americans doing these massacres.

00:16:09.000 It's more there were horrible people there.

00:16:11.000 There were also great people belonging to the same side.

00:16:14.000 So to me it's not about one particular group of people that one nation or that one ethnic group or anything being the bad guys.

00:16:22.000 It's on an individual level what it is that makes one guy go down in these horrible directions and other people instead choosing.

00:16:31.000 Because that's what it boils down to.

00:16:32.000 It's choice.

00:16:33.000 Choosing not to be that person.

00:16:35.000 That's what fascinates me.

00:16:36.000 Yeah, you know, it's just, there's a great book by Sebastian Junger called Tribe.

00:16:42.000 Have you read it?

00:16:42.000 You read that one.

00:16:43.000 Great.

00:16:43.000 Wasn't it interesting when he talked about all of the people that were kidnapped by Native Americans that chose to live with them?

00:16:50.000 Yep. 0.98

00:16:51.000 And then when they were taken back by the Americans, by the settlers, you know, they were like, fuck this, I'm going back. 0.99

00:16:58.000 I'm going back to the Native Americans. 1.00

00:16:59.000 And they went and lived with them again.

00:17:01.000 But no one went the other way.

00:17:03.000 No.

00:17:03.000 Not at all.

00:17:04.000 Which is really crazy.

00:17:05.000 Say something not flattering about the Euro-American culture of the time.

00:17:09.000 Yeah, there's a great Benjamin Franklin quote.

00:17:11.000 I'm going to butcher it because I only remember the beginning.

00:17:14.000 Something about no European who has tasted savage life and then basically gone to can bear to come back to live in our settlements or something like that.

00:17:22.000 Yeah.

00:17:22.000 And I'm like, yeah, let's say something about...

00:17:25.000 Because it's fun.

00:17:26.000 Yeah.

00:17:26.000 The way they're living, they're camping.

00:17:28.000 Right.

00:17:29.000 They're hunting and fishing every day. 0.99

00:17:30.000 And you go back and these assholes are wearing powdered wigs and banging a wooden mallet on a table for everybody to pay attention. 1.00

00:17:36.000 Fuck off. 1.00

00:17:37.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:17:38.000 You know?

00:17:38.000 That's hilarious.

00:17:39.000 Hear ye, hear ye.

00:17:41.000 That's what I mean about cultures, right?

00:17:44.000 People sometimes will then romanticize native cultures.

00:17:46.000 It's like, oh, they're all, you know, hug trees and talking with the furry creatures of the forest.

00:17:52.000 And I'm like, well, yes and no.

00:17:54.000 There are, like what you mentioned, right?

00:17:57.000 If you were captured, especially in the East when, like, French and Indian war or stuff like that were going on, If you are captured by it during a native raid, one of two things happen.

00:18:07.000 The good one is that they like you, and they decide to adopt you, and then you end up replacing one of their dead family members.

00:18:14.000 So like if they lost a brother or a father, then you become that person.

00:18:18.000 That's crazy.

00:18:19.000 That's a weird thing that they did.

00:18:20.000 It's very weird.

00:18:21.000 But the thing is, the adoption process was so thorough that they love you like you're the real deal.

00:18:28.000 And you end up feeling like you're part of this family and, you know, everything works out, everything is great.

00:18:34.000 If they don't like you, then they torture you to death over a three-day period.

00:18:39.000 And these are the same people, right?

00:18:41.000 They can be the sweetest, most awesome humans or really messed up.

00:18:46.000 Same culture, same individuals.

00:18:48.000 Do you think that's just because people have evolved dealing with tribal warfare and just we have to have that switch?

00:18:56.000 I think it's because the thing that's interesting about natives is that it wasn't a racial thing.

00:19:01.000 They adopted anybody, right?

00:19:03.000 It didn't matter what skin color you have.

00:19:04.000 That they did not have a barrier to.

00:19:06.000 But there is a big insider outsider.

00:19:09.000 You know, if you are part of our tribe and you may become part of our tribe, race doesn't matter.

00:19:14.000 You can become part of our tribe.

00:19:16.000 But once you're part of our tribe, you're one of us.

00:19:18.000 But if you're not part of our tribe, then the same rules do not apply to you.

00:19:24.000 You are the other.

00:19:26.000 You are an enemy.

00:19:27.000 And in that case, that's when it gets really brutal.

00:19:30.000 Yeah, even with other Native Americans, that's the thing that people need to really get in. 0.99

00:19:35.000 Especially people that only have a peripheral understanding of Native American culture.

00:19:39.000 The reason why Sioux are called Sioux is because that's a Native American word for enemy.

00:19:44.000 Yep.

00:19:45.000 They call themselves Lakota people.

00:19:46.000 Right, exactly. 1.00

00:19:47.000 So all the other Indians are like, fuck these crazy assholes. 1.00

00:19:51.000 They're taking over. 1.00

00:19:52.000 They're the enemy.

00:19:53.000 Yeah, totally.

00:19:54.000 They were just dominating.

00:19:56.000 It's really fascinating when you consider that these people had these hunting grounds that they were trying to protect.

00:20:02.000 And one of the things that they found is that there are areas where wildlife thrived.

00:20:08.000 And the wildlife thrived in these, like, gray areas.

00:20:13.000 Yep.

00:20:14.000 Because, like, this one area would be, you know, one Native American tribe, and then their hunting grounds went to a specified distance.

00:20:22.000 You know, obviously always in conflict.

00:20:24.000 But then past that was another Native American tribes. 1.00

00:20:27.000 But in the middle, that's where you'd find all the fucking animals. 1.00

00:20:30.000 Of course. 0.99

00:20:30.000 Because they were like, I get it. 0.99

00:20:31.000 Nobody hunts me here.

00:20:32.000 They are worried about killing each other in the danger zone.

00:20:36.000 So, no, totally.

00:20:37.000 It's crazy that they figured that out.

00:20:38.000 It's like, have you been to Yellowstone?

00:20:41.000 Yeah.

00:20:41.000 It's beautiful, right?

00:20:42.000 It's amazing.

00:20:43.000 One of the things that's really crazy is if you go around the tourist center, there's elk everywhere, just lounging around.

00:20:50.000 They tell you don't get more than 20 yards closer to an elk because they will charge you occasionally. 0.99

00:20:56.000 They're like tired of people taking fucking selfies. 0.99

00:20:58.000 They're always the tourist guy like, hey, look at me. 1.00

00:21:01.000 Dude, I fucking did it, man. 0.99

00:21:02.000 I did it. 0.99

00:21:03.000 I was out there and I've seen elk in the wild, wild.

00:21:06.000 But they figured out that wolves don't come to the tourist center.

00:21:10.000 So they're like, I got an idea.

00:21:11.000 And then they realize these people are different than the people that hunt us. 0.72

00:21:15.000 Somehow or another, they put it together.

00:21:17.000 Like one day...

00:21:20.000 It all could go wrong, right? 1.00

00:21:22.000 Civilization could collapse, and you just go right to Yellowstone, go to that fucking tourist center. 1.00

00:21:26.000 There's meat everywhere. 1.00

00:21:27.000 Just mow down the elk.

00:21:29.000 You need food.

00:21:30.000 There's hundreds of them on the lawn at the tourist center.

00:21:33.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:21:34.000 But I don't know what it is.

00:21:36.000 Like, what is the intellectual process that allows an elk to understand that these people are not going to try to eat me, and that the wolves are not going to be around these people. 0.95

00:21:48.000 It probably took some really stupid elk to stick around people before they realized those were the good ones and that everybody was looking back and like, oh, they didn't get killed. 0.97

00:21:57.000 Look at Frank over there. 1.00

00:21:58.000 They're feeding them peanuts.

00:21:59.000 Look at them.

00:21:59.000 We can try too.

00:22:01.000 Yeah, I wonder what it was.

00:22:03.000 I don't know if we really know the mechanism that allows them all as a group to go, yeah, you could just chill out around these people.

00:22:11.000 Right.

00:22:11.000 Just lie down.

00:22:12.000 They just lie down in front of us.

00:22:15.000 You're right.

00:22:16.000 It is fun.

00:22:16.000 In all the national parks, you see the most animals right there.

00:22:19.000 It's hilarious.

00:22:20.000 It's fascinating that there's never been a non-warring, successful group of humans.

00:22:30.000 Because it only takes, you know, you can't really be a pacifist around somebody who isn't.

00:22:35.000 Right. 1.00

00:22:35.000 Because, yeah, you decide to go in this mellow, peaceful, happy society and you get your ass kicked by... 1.00

00:22:41.000 There's a great story about the origins of, not even before the United States, like British colonies in what will become the United States. 0.98

00:22:49.000 Everybody hears about Plymouth Rock, right?

00:22:51.000 There's the whole, the Puritans, they show up, all of that.

00:22:54.000 What usually people don't hear...

00:22:56.000 Thaddeus Russell played a little with this story in his book.

00:23:00.000 There was this other settlement called Marymount that was just down the street from Plymouth, but they were completely different.

00:23:06.000 Their interpretation of Christianity was pretty much a pre-Christian paganism mixed with a couple of Christian ideas.

00:23:13.000 They had the exact opposite approach of the Puritans.

00:23:16.000 They were Having drunken orgies with the native tribes. 1.00

00:23:21.000 Really?

00:23:47.000 See you, honey.

00:23:48.000 I'm gone for a couple of weeks.

00:23:50.000 And so the hardcore guys decided, well, we can't have that.

00:23:54.000 So they got their guns, showed up, and closed down Marymount.

00:23:58.000 And that's the problem. 0.97

00:24:00.000 Had the Marymount guys not been so damn lazy hippies and actually got their act together and trained with guns and stuff, they would have been able to keep their community going with those values. 0.97

00:24:10.000 You need a minimum of self-defense. 0.97

00:24:13.000 Otherwise, somebody else squashed you, which is exactly what happened.

00:24:17.000 Is that from the name Loyola Marymount?

00:24:20.000 Does it come from those people?

00:24:21.000 I dubbed it because, you know what?

00:24:24.000 I have no idea, so I'm going to lie.

00:24:25.000 But you know what the thing is?

00:24:28.000 Because, you know, Loyola doesn't strike me exactly as a drunken orgyist with natives. 0.99

00:24:31.000 No, not at all.

00:24:32.000 That's why I was confused.

00:24:33.000 Yeah.

00:24:33.000 Yeah, I'd never heard of that before, but it makes sense that there would be someone that would deviate.

00:24:37.000 There's always someone who just looks at the way everyone else is doing it and just says, this is fucking not for me, man.

00:24:42.000 But it always goes bad. 0.52

00:24:44.000 Like, there's never been a cult where, you know, they got together, formed a commune, and just really were cool to each other.

00:24:51.000 I'm actually fascinated with exactly the thing you said.

00:24:54.000 Why?

00:24:55.000 Why can...

00:24:56.000 What's so damn hard about...

00:24:58.000 It's power.

00:24:58.000 It's the one person in power.

00:25:01.000 The one person in the position of power is almost always abusive and they almost always use that power to their own ego gratification and dominance. 1.00

00:25:12.000 They always fuck all the other guys' wives. 1.00

00:25:15.000 They all father a bunch of children. 1.00

00:25:17.000 They take everyone's money, you know?

00:25:21.000 I'm fascinated by that kind of stuff because one of the things that you see if you become famous or if you do something that gets you a lot of notoriety is I know how I feel around certain famous people.

00:25:37.000 I've talked about the first time I met Anthony Bourdain, who I respect a great deal.

00:25:41.000 I was like a little school kid. 0.98

00:25:42.000 I was just such a dork. 0.99

00:25:44.000 I was like, dude, I fucking love your show. 0.98

00:25:49.000 And I love his writing, too. 0.75

00:25:51.000 So I was genuinely excited to see him and meet him.

00:25:54.000 And still to this day when I talk to him, I'm a little dorked out.

00:25:57.000 So when you take a person who's not...

00:26:00.000 And I'm used to being around celebrities.

00:26:02.000 I've been around a lot of them.

00:26:03.000 But...

00:26:04.000 When you take someone who's not used to being around someone who is in this position of adoration, and they don't know how to handle it, and they just give in to whatever, you know, beta tendencies they have, and this alpha just takes over,

00:26:20.000 there's a natural thing that human beings do in these small, isolated groups that don't get checked, and it almost always is the man who is in charge of it winds up abusing everybody.

00:26:32.000 Yeah.

00:26:32.000 Which again, it goes back to that part of human nature.

00:26:36.000 Why do you have to go down that path?

00:26:38.000 You can have a great life.

00:26:39.000 You can enjoy.

00:26:40.000 Be nice to people.

00:26:42.000 You are in a position of leadership.

00:26:43.000 Use that to make sure the whole thing runs smoothly.

00:26:46.000 Everybody's taken care of.

00:26:47.000 Never works that way.

00:26:48.000 Yeah.

00:26:49.000 And it pisses me off.

00:26:51.000 It's weird.

00:26:54.000 I mean, I understand it and I don't understand it.

00:26:56.000 Because, I mean, I get it.

00:26:57.000 I've seen it enough times that I know you're exactly 100% right.

00:27:00.000 But at the same time, I really don't get it because you can still have a great life.

00:27:05.000 Nobody's denying you all the good things that you want.

00:27:08.000 Just be a semi-decent human.

00:27:10.000 It's not that hard.

00:27:11.000 Come on. 0.98

00:27:12.000 You would think it's not that hard, but when there's no one checking you, like you're in the Oregon woods and you've got this fucking yurt and everybody lives together and you just bang everybody. 0.98

00:27:22.000 And you make them give you all their gold.

00:27:26.000 People, for whatever reason, when there's a person that is the king or a person that is like some cult leader or whatever, messiah, whatever you want to call him, people just want that person to have the answers.

00:27:37.000 They gravitate towards that.

00:27:39.000 Yep.

00:27:39.000 And I think that's precisely one of the things that bugs me about a lot of people who are willing to put themselves in that position of like, I am your big leader.

00:27:50.000 To me, there's a way to be a leader that's awesome.

00:27:52.000 That's great.

00:27:53.000 Sort of the Taoist approach where people shouldn't even feel that you're a leader, but you're like subtly moving things along to make sure everybody's taken care of.

00:28:01.000 That's a leader.

00:28:03.000 Because it's not obvious, most people need exactly what you said.

00:28:07.000 They need their father figure to lay down the law, to be very dogmatic and certain in their, I know it all, don't worry, I have all the answers.

00:28:16.000 This is good, this is bad.

00:28:18.000 And people love that.

00:28:19.000 They love that in dictators, they love it in religious cult leaders, they love it in Yeah,

00:28:37.000 it seems like a pattern that just sort of...

00:28:41.000 It gets established in human beings from being a child and having your parents, don't touch that.

00:28:45.000 That's hot.

00:28:46.000 Come with me.

00:28:47.000 This is the way to go.

00:28:47.000 This is what you have to do.

00:28:48.000 This is how you put your shoes on.

00:28:50.000 This is how you tie your shoe.

00:28:51.000 This is how you get to work.

00:28:52.000 This is how you do this.

00:28:52.000 This is how you do that.

00:28:53.000 And then all of a sudden you don't have anybody telling you what to do anymore.

00:28:57.000 And then all along comes the cult leader.

00:28:59.000 Yep.

00:28:59.000 Like, I've got the answers.

00:29:00.000 Guess what?

00:29:01.000 They're coming straight from God. 1.00

00:29:02.000 So fuck your parents. 1.00

00:29:03.000 Your parents didn't know shit. 1.00

00:29:05.000 But that's what's funny is that the same people who grow it up would be like your parents tell you, hey, tie your shoes. 1.00

00:29:10.000 And you're like, fuck. 0.99

00:29:11.000 Suddenly somebody come along when they are 20 or 30, tie your shoe and you're like, oh, you're so wise. 1.00

00:29:16.000 Let me listen to you.

00:29:17.000 This is the way to tie my shoe, oh great master.

00:29:19.000 Exactly.

00:29:20.000 It's just...

00:29:21.000 I don't know, man.

00:29:23.000 It's just...

00:29:24.000 It was interesting.

00:29:25.000 I don't know if you have been following where Dan Carlin, the stuff that he has been saying about his other show, Common Sense.

00:29:31.000 I haven't listened to it lately.

00:29:33.000 Yeah, he hasn't been releasing an episode lately.

00:29:34.000 That's probably why you haven't, because he has kind of shut down with that.

00:29:38.000 It's not officially done, but And this thing is, my approach, meaning Dan talking, my approach is to be somewhat subtle, somewhat like play and not be overly dogmatic one way or another, to think on my feet, to mix things together.

00:29:54.000 And that's something that most people don't want in the current climate.

00:29:58.000 Most people want the very black and white type of approach.

00:30:02.000 Now, I disagree with Dan because I think that still there is an enormous need for what he provides.

00:30:08.000 And I don't think that just giving up is the solution.

00:30:11.000 But I do get it because it really doesn't take much.

00:30:14.000 You know, if you start screaming a very dogmatic, either super leftist or super conservative approach, you get automatically a bunch of followers.

00:30:23.000 If you are thinking on your feet and just going, hmm, this thing, yeah, you're right, but let's look at the other side and constantly having, you know, what any decent human being should do, just being intellectually honest and thinking things do not, people don't respond to that because it's not that easy.

00:30:41.000 Or rather, people do, some people respond, but number-wise, it's way a minority compared to what you get by being a black and white kind of guy.

00:30:50.000 Yeah, people desire very clear resolutions and very clear thinking in terms of like enemy, friend, this is a black and white issue.

00:31:00.000 But I think Dan also just felt overwhelmed by the times.

00:31:04.000 He's like, this just seems like everything's so fucked up, I'd rather not even talk about it and just sit back and see what is really happening. 0.96

00:31:12.000 We were on the phone. 0.98

00:31:13.000 I swear, I spent like an hour on the phone with you.

00:31:16.000 We were back and forth.

00:31:17.000 I was playing...

00:31:17.000 In my mind, I was played...

00:31:19.000 Remember the second movie of Lord of the Rings where there's Throttle carrying the ring?

00:31:23.000 He's all like, I can't do this anymore!

00:31:26.000 And there's Sam going, oh, come on!

00:31:28.000 You need to...

00:31:28.000 I think I need to step on my game.

00:31:31.000 I'm a shitty Sam because I was trying to do that for Dan and just kind of motivate him and I miserably failed, so...

00:31:37.000 I respect where he's coming from.

00:31:38.000 He said that when he was on the show recently.

00:31:41.000 He was talking about that sort of same thing that he's kind of put that podcast on hold.

00:31:45.000 As long as he keeps doing his podcast, Hardcore History is just so important I think.

00:31:51.000 I think him and you You guys are providing an entertaining and interesting history lesson that really wasn't available before.

00:32:01.000 I mean, before you could get a book on tape, and it was a really well-written book, and it was read by someone with good dramatic flair.

00:32:07.000 It was exciting stuff, but...

00:32:09.000 Nobody really got into it.

00:32:10.000 I bet the numbers, if you consider the numbers of people that have listened to his podcast and your podcast in comparison to like before you guys were around, there's probably a radically improved number of people that know a lot about history.

00:32:25.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:32:25.000 Particularly things like the Mongols.

00:32:28.000 I never even thought about the Mongols until I listened to his podcast, which apparently right now, if you're in the LA area in Simi Valley at the Ronald Reagan Museum, The Reagan Museum or library, what is it?

00:32:41.000 There's a giant Genghis Khan exhibit.

00:32:44.000 Really? 0.98

00:32:44.000 Yeah, they have the bows and all the fucking stuff they stole and the textiles and all the different things they wore and their yurts that they slept in. 0.98

00:32:54.000 All kinds of crazy shit. 1.00

00:32:55.000 Awesome. 0.99

00:32:55.000 I want to go. 0.99

00:32:56.000 Yeah, I mean, that stuff's over a thousand years old, right?

00:32:59.000 Or close to it?

00:33:00.000 1200s?

00:33:01.000 Yeah, 1200s, so close to a thousand years old.

00:33:03.000 Oh, there it is right there, yeah.

00:33:07.000 Check that out.

00:33:08.000 They had bows that required 160 pounds to pull back.

00:33:11.000 I know. 0.80

00:33:12.000 Who the hell were these guys? 0.79

00:33:13.000 Who pulls 160 pound bow? 0.99

00:33:15.000 It's insane.

00:33:16.000 They must have been animals. 1.00

00:33:17.000 They must have been so fucking strong. 0.99

00:33:19.000 Yeah, you pull 60 pounds and you're like, holy hell, this is heavy. 0.99

00:33:22.000 160 is insane.

00:33:24.000 Well, I have a compound bow, and the compound bow, I don't have a regular, like a recurve like these guys.

00:33:30.000 I believe they invented the recurve, too.

00:33:33.000 They didn't invent it.

00:33:34.000 They were around in the era when the recurve was invented, which just by the design of the bow, it gives you more power, more energy gets released through the arrow.

00:33:45.000 But with a compound bow, there's a big let-off.

00:33:48.000 So it's only difficult...

00:33:49.000 So if you had a 60-pound bow, it's only 60 pounds for like the first six inches or so of pulling it back.

00:33:56.000 Then as you completely pull back, there's like an 85% let-off, so it's much easier to hold.

00:34:01.000 They were pulling 160 the whole time, and at the end it was harder.

00:34:06.000 Yeah, of course.

00:34:07.000 And they could aim perfectly on horseback while riding in full galop.

00:34:12.000 It's like, who the hell?

00:34:12.000 I mean, they apparently used to time the arrow release while the horse was in the air.

00:34:17.000 Yeah, because then you don't have the unevenness of it. 0.99

00:34:20.000 Fucking crazy. 1.00

00:34:20.000 Those guys were freaks. 1.00

00:34:22.000 That series that Dan did on the Mongols is one of the greatest series ever.

00:34:26.000 Of all time.

00:34:26.000 I urge people.

00:34:28.000 I think it costs a dollar an episode.

00:34:30.000 Just go through iTunes, get it for a dollar, or I don't know what other app that you have if you're Android. 0.69

00:34:38.000 But it's a dollar an episode, and it's worth fucking hundreds of dollars. 0.78

00:34:41.000 It's amazing. 0.99

00:34:41.000 I've listened to it, no bullshit, at least six times. 0.99

00:34:45.000 You know, I need to stop bringing up Dan because by now people are accusing me of like, you know, you like Dan probably a little more than a heterosexual man should. 0.80

00:34:53.000 I always give praise to...

00:34:55.000 He's a beautiful guy.

00:34:55.000 He's awesome, man.

00:34:56.000 There's nothing wrong with it.

00:34:57.000 I love Dan.

00:34:57.000 He's one of my favorite humans.

00:34:59.000 Well, listen, your podcast is fucking awesome too, man. 0.95

00:35:01.000 And I really particularly enjoyed your first one because you talked about that one story that you brought up on here that freaked me the fuck out. 0.91

00:35:09.000 Right, when at the end of Spartacus' rebellion, they capture all the remnants of Spartacus' army and crucify every single one of them on the way between Naples and Capua, but next to Naples and Rome.

00:35:23.000 Every, whatever, 30, 40 yards, there's a new guy crucified, and 30 yards down, another one.

00:35:28.000 Kind of like lampposts all the way between these two cities.

00:35:31.000 And how many miles is that?

00:35:32.000 That's like 120, something like that.

00:35:35.000 120 miles of crucified people.

00:35:38.000 Yeah.

00:35:39.000 Where you have at every 30 to 40 yards, there's a new one, and then another one, and then another one, and it's...

00:35:45.000 Yeah, that's an intense kind of story.

00:35:49.000 Since the last time you were on the podcast, I went to Rome.

00:35:52.000 Oh, yeah, I saw that.

00:35:53.000 I traveled.

00:35:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:55.000 Dude.

00:35:57.000 That's one of those things where you just have to, like, no one talk to me for a second.

00:36:00.000 Let me try to process this.

00:36:01.000 You know, like, we had a great guide who was a professor.

00:36:05.000 It was really cool.

00:36:08.000 He guides people in the meantime, and he was just so excited to talk to me because I was so into it.

00:36:14.000 Of course.

00:36:14.000 Because most of the time, people are just barely curious about what he has to say.

00:36:18.000 But we talked about the significance of the pineal gland and the pine cone in the Vatican.

00:36:25.000 And he takes you on a tour of all the different artifacts.

00:36:28.000 That's a trip that I feel like...

00:36:32.000 But just going there, especially the Vatican, going there, the Colosseum was big too, but going to the Vatican and just seeing all that artwork and getting an understanding of what those people were really up to for hundreds and hundreds of years, just conquering the world for hundreds and hundreds of years and all this artwork,

00:36:50.000 seeing it live in person sort of reset my perspective.

00:36:54.000 That's amazing.

00:36:56.000 Rome is a place that you have never, once in your lifetime, you got to do it.

00:37:00.000 I don't know if you have been.

00:37:01.000 There's a place, Castel Sant'Angelo, which is kind of close to the Vatican.

00:37:06.000 But if you go to the top of this castle, you basically get a panoramic view of all of Rome from there.

00:37:11.000 It's so spectacular.

00:37:13.000 It's wild.

00:37:14.000 You see the river, you see all the buildings, you see everything.

00:37:17.000 And then you climb back down and you just do your walks.

00:37:21.000 And what was I seeing here?

00:37:23.000 Oh, one scene that I saw in Rome that I was blown away by.

00:37:25.000 You know this artist, Caravaggio was the painter.

00:37:30.000 I love that guy because basically what happens with this dude is he was around in the end of the 1500s, early 1600s and Caravaggio was a straight-up gangster.

00:37:43.000 He was probably the best artist of the era.

00:37:46.000 To me, he's probably the best artist of all times.

00:37:48.000 You look at his paintings and it's just insane what he could do with paint.

00:37:52.000 But then he had his life on the street as a literal gangster.

00:37:57.000 He would just get, he at one point killed a guy in a duel, was wanted for murder.

00:38:02.000 Every time he would get close to power and he would be, yep, that's Caravaggio for you.

00:38:07.000 Look how amazing that painting is.

00:38:09.000 And what year was this made?

00:38:11.000 Around?

00:38:11.000 1599. Yep.

00:38:12.000 God, look how good it is.

00:38:14.000 I know.

00:38:14.000 That's insane.

00:38:15.000 I mean, that is so close to photographic.

00:38:22.000 And you think that this is in the 1600s and these people, they couldn't even stand still for him.

00:38:27.000 I mean, how do you think he did that?

00:38:30.000 Did he have a guy pretend that he's getting choked?

00:38:32.000 Did he do this all from his mind?

00:38:33.000 No, I think he used models.

00:38:35.000 There was actually one of the scandals is that he was banging his models.

00:38:39.000 Well, of course, but that was not the scandal.

00:38:41.000 That was part of the deal.

00:38:42.000 Though the scandal part was the fact that, you know, the church was commissioning a lot of his work, but he clearly was not the most pious guy in their sense.

00:38:50.000 His view of Christianity was, hey, these guys were Jesus and his followers were poor men from the street.

00:38:57.000 They were not the...

00:38:59.000 Cardinal in purple robes.

00:39:00.000 So he used as models more than once for the Virgin Mary. 0.99

00:39:05.000 He used the hookers that he was sleeping with. 1.00

00:39:07.000 Really? 0.99

00:39:08.000 And so the church was like, you cannot use a hooker for the Virgin Mary. 0.98

00:39:11.000 That's just not okay. 0.96

00:39:12.000 And he would be like, yeah, yeah, don't worry.

00:39:14.000 Okay, next time.

00:39:15.000 And again, he does it again.

00:39:17.000 See if he can get some of his paintings of the Virgin Mary.

00:39:20.000 Find some of them.

00:39:21.000 Yeah, that's amazing.

00:39:22.000 It's hilarious.

00:39:23.000 There's one, let me see if I remember the time, there's one where there's a naked baby Jesus with Mary squashing a snake.

00:39:31.000 See if that pops up.

00:39:33.000 That one is great because, you know, that was his big shot at making it big. 0.99

00:39:38.000 The church was trying, okay, keep it together, be a good boy because you're the best painter there is, but you're fucking crazy, so please just tone it down. 0.97

00:39:45.000 And he turns in this painting where the Virgin Mary has just big cleavage showing in a red dress. 0.99

00:39:53.000 Baby Jesus is butt naked, squashing these snakes, supposed to symbolize the devil and stuff.

00:39:58.000 And they were like, yeah, that's not what we meant.

00:40:01.000 So, yeah, that's the one.

00:40:02.000 That's the Virgin Mary?

00:40:04.000 Yeah.

00:40:04.000 She looks like a freak.

00:40:05.000 I know. 0.99

00:40:06.000 Well, she was his lover hooker, so yes, that was part of the problem there. 1.00

00:40:11.000 And the baby Jesus squashing a snake with his dick showing. 1.00

00:40:15.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:40:15.000 The other thing that this guy was explaining to me was the penis sizes of the Roman statues. 1.00

00:40:22.000 They were all small because big penises were supposed to mean stupid people and aggressive animals that were just... 0.99

00:40:30.000 You know, not a part of the civilized, amazing culture that Rome represented. 1.00

00:40:34.000 So there was pride in the micro-penis.

00:40:37.000 Yeah, well, it wasn't micro, but it was definitely not optimal.

00:40:42.000 That's hilarious.

00:40:44.000 Yeah, because I was asking.

00:40:46.000 I was like, what do you think that is?

00:40:47.000 We were trying to figure it out.

00:40:49.000 We were talking about it before the professor gave me an answer. 0.99

00:40:52.000 And I was like, maybe they just had littler dicks back then. 0.98

00:40:55.000 Maybe that was just how it went. 0.99

00:40:58.000 And he's like, no. 1.00

00:41:00.000 I think they probably associated big dicks with rape. 1.00

00:41:04.000 With the barbarians and the Moors and all these people coming in and chopping people up and fucking the shit out of everybody. 1.00

00:41:10.000 And they're like, no, no, no, we don't want that. 1.00

00:41:12.000 We don't want that. 1.00

00:41:13.000 Little tiny dicks. 1.00

00:41:15.000 Sophisticated dicks. 1.00

00:41:16.000 Sophisticated dicks. 1.00

00:41:17.000 Dicks are people who write poetry. 1.00

00:41:20.000 Vandalism, maybe? 1.00

00:41:21.000 No, they didn't steal the big dicks. 1.00

00:41:23.000 They were clearly made by the artists. 0.99

00:41:26.000 One thing they did do, though, in certain eras, they covered the dicks with leaves. 0.93

00:41:29.000 It wasn't initially what they would do. 0.92

00:41:31.000 And they went back on a lot of them and repurposed them and put new leaves over dicks.

00:41:36.000 I think you know right now that there are going to be about seven punk bands borrowing the name from you.

00:41:41.000 Like, Sophisticated Dicks will be the name of a new punk band coming out tomorrow.

00:41:46.000 That would be a good band, Sophisticated Dicks.

00:41:47.000 I like that name.

00:41:49.000 That's a good one.

00:41:50.000 Yeah, it's a weird thing that people have done throughout history.

00:41:54.000 It's like sort of trying to...

00:41:58.000 Trying to control artistic expression and trying to have it represent the time.

00:42:04.000 So you don't necessarily get a full version of what was going on then, but you do get a version of the suppression, which gives you insight into the full version of the times.

00:42:15.000 Definitely. 0.82

00:42:15.000 That they're covering dicks with leaves and stuff. 0.82

00:42:18.000 So strange. 0.57

00:42:20.000 And sometimes they would have the painter giving the edited version of the painting for public consumption.

00:42:27.000 But then the same guy who commissioned, he was like, okay, give me one for my private collection.

00:42:31.000 So that's where they would have all the way more explicit stuff.

00:42:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:42:35.000 I mean, they didn't have pornography back then, so they must have been beaten off to paintings and stuff.

00:42:40.000 It had to be.

00:42:41.000 Yeah.

00:42:41.000 I mean, it had to be thought of as being...

00:42:44.000 Arousal inducing, so much so that, what was it during the Victorian era where they put legs of tables, they would put dresses on them? 0.58

00:42:53.000 Yeah, they would wrap the legs of the tables because, you know, they are legs.

00:42:56.000 If they are bare, they may give you ideas, which I don't know about you, man, but, you know, look at the leg of the table.

00:43:02.000 That really doesn't do it for me.

00:43:03.000 But there had to be something to it, where people got so horny.

00:43:07.000 Right.

00:43:07.000 The table leg.

00:43:08.000 This moves, get...

00:43:11.000 But that's when you know you really have problems, right?

00:43:13.000 When you look at the leg of a table and you get all excited, it's like, man...

00:43:17.000 Yeah, that's not good.

00:43:19.000 No, you may want to revisit your life choices up until that point.

00:43:22.000 It's fascinating that people must have agreed to that, too.

00:43:25.000 What's up, Jamie?

00:43:26.000 I just looked it up.

00:43:27.000 It says that it originates from a satire that was written, and people, I guess, took it as truth.

00:43:32.000 Oh, so it's not real?

00:43:33.000 Yeah, supposedly not.

00:43:34.000 But they definitely did cover the legs.

00:43:36.000 Yeah, I think they did, but the reason why is exaggerated.

00:43:39.000 It says he was poking fun at Americans that did something like that.

00:43:41.000 Oh, come on, let's point the meat. 1.00

00:43:43.000 The meat is too cool.

00:43:45.000 Prosperous Farmhouse Parlor in 1900s.

00:43:48.000 And that is a cover.

00:43:49.000 This is 1900s, right?

00:43:51.000 This is the Victorian era is when they did this.

00:43:56.000 In 1839, an Englishman wrote a satire of American tour.

00:44:01.000 He wrote an American propensity to use the word limb in place of leg.

00:44:04.000 Though he says the English do it too.

00:44:06.000 Then he says that he visited a boarding school.

00:44:08.000 Young ladies, New York State, we saw a square piano fort with four limbs.

00:44:12.000 The mistress of the establishment had dressed all these four limbs in modest trousers with frills at the bottom of them. 1.00

00:44:19.000 He's exaggerating.

00:44:21.000 I'm not subject, uh, is exaggerating or not subject to speculation.

00:44:26.000 He is certainly poking fun, or whether, whether Marriott is exaggerating or not is subject to speculation, he is certainly poking fun at Americans, but I can attest that having page two dozens of books showing old black and white piano photos of Victorian interiors,

00:44:42.000 I saw not one example of a table Piano or any other piece of furniture with skirts around the individual legs.

00:44:49.000 That's interesting.

00:44:50.000 I had always heard that.

00:44:51.000 I like the legend so much better.

00:44:53.000 Hadn't you always heard that?

00:44:55.000 I heard that from professors.

00:44:56.000 I remember hearing that from a history professor.

00:45:00.000 I'm all of the, you know, between boring history and a fun legend, always side with a fun legend. 1.00

00:45:06.000 Yeah, I would like to think that people were way more stupid than they were. 1.00

00:45:09.000 Yeah, sometimes. 1.00

00:45:09.000 Makes me feel good about this era. 1.00

00:45:11.000 Exactly.

00:45:11.000 We're in now.

00:45:12.000 Yeah.

00:45:13.000 I mean, you look at the dresses that people had to wear, you know, that went all the way down to the ground.

00:45:18.000 I mean, it's not...

00:45:20.000 Really much different than what we see in the Middle East.

00:45:22.000 Yep.

00:45:22.000 It's very simple.

00:45:24.000 I mean, what we see in the Middle East, they have to cover their face, the hijab, and the whole deal, and the headscarves, and that's a little more extreme, but not much. 0.72

00:45:32.000 Yep. 0.99

00:45:33.000 I mean, they wore shit that went all the way to the ground. 1.00

00:45:36.000 If you showed any ankle, you would lose their mind. 1.00

00:45:38.000 It's an ankle!

00:45:39.000 Oh my god!

00:45:40.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:45:40.000 Yeah.

00:45:41.000 Well, you know, repression does it.

00:45:43.000 Yeah.

00:45:44.000 I wonder if they were more hyper-sexualized than we are.

00:45:47.000 I bet not.

00:45:48.000 I bet because of porn, we're probably more hyper-sexualized, right?

00:45:51.000 There's, I think, different arguments there, because some people say the more you repress stuff, the more then you're going to obsess with it, so that's all you think about all day, whereas the one that's kind of indulged more in it is less likely to obsess.

00:46:03.000 Then again, there are lots of people who are so addicted to internet porn that I don't know if that idea works, but, you know, that's the...

00:46:10.000 Well, the problem with internet porn is the availability.

00:46:14.000 You don't even have to go somewhere.

00:46:16.000 At least back in the day, when you had VHS tapes or DVDs or something like that, you had to go to a store, you had to buy them, you had to put them in the TV, you had to sit back, you had to get the remote control.

00:46:27.000 It was a process.

00:46:29.000 There was work involved.

00:46:30.000 The minors of minor work.

00:46:32.000 Yes.

00:46:33.000 Right?

00:46:33.000 Yes.

00:46:34.000 Now it's just far too easy.

00:46:36.000 I mean, how many people that work, that have jobs, go into the bathroom, lock the door and beat off?

00:46:43.000 There's a lot of people listening right now.

00:46:45.000 We're doing exactly that.

00:46:46.000 Doing that right now.

00:46:47.000 You're beating off right now.

00:46:48.000 Stop it.

00:46:49.000 Go back to work.

00:46:51.000 Jesus is watching.

00:46:52.000 That's what I hear.

00:46:54.000 Yeah, it's interesting.

00:46:56.000 I guess, if you have to think about it, they were trying to control those people and trying to control their urges because it was beneficial to society.

00:47:05.000 It was beneficial to society that these people needed to do their fair share and get to work and they couldn't just be staring at legs all day and engaging in pure thoughts.

00:47:16.000 You know, that's the problem with any kind of prohibition.

00:47:20.000 It's completely misunderstanding how the human mind works.

00:47:23.000 You do not say no to things as, you are not going to do this.

00:47:27.000 You are guaranteeing that people are going to obsess with this, right?

00:47:30.000 It doesn't work.

00:47:31.000 There's a Zen story that I heard once that I thought it was hilarious.

00:47:36.000 I can't remember where I heard it, but...

00:47:37.000 Like, guys go to a Zen master saying, hey, you know, you're equal at peace and happy.

00:47:42.000 I want to be just like you.

00:47:43.000 What do I need to do?

00:47:44.000 Zen master says, okay, just for the next 24 hours, don't think about monkeys.

00:47:49.000 Guy's like, monkeys? 1.00

00:47:51.000 Never thought about monkeys.

00:47:52.000 How is that going to make me enlightened? 0.99

00:47:54.000 Zen master's like, shut up. 0.99

00:47:55.000 Go away. 0.99

00:47:56.000 Come back in 24 hours. 0.67

00:47:57.000 Don't think about monkeys.

00:47:59.000 Kind of like, okay, well, becoming enlightened is going to be a piece of cake because all I have to do is not think about monkeys.

00:48:04.000 And of course, the next 24 hours become the most monkey-filled hours of his life because that's all he can think about, right?

00:48:11.000 Point being, the more you make something a taboo, the more you guarantee that people are going to obsess with it.

00:48:17.000 Yeah.

00:48:19.000 Even think of drinking at 21 in the US. Growing up, I don't even know if there was an age in Italy where you're supposed to not drink, but it's not that glamorous.

00:48:31.000 It's what your grandparents have for lunch, and you are maybe six years old, and you want to try a little wine, and they give you a tiny bit saying, If you have a little more, you got a headache, so just gotta... 0.97

00:48:41.000 And then one day you do got a little more, you got a headache, and you go, oh, shit, you are right, okay. 0.78

00:48:46.000 And you kind of learn how to drink, rather than being like, we got a weight, cool, now we got all these booze, and people drink, throw up all over themselves. 0.98

00:48:54.000 It's like, that's just gross, why are you doing that?

00:48:57.000 Yeah, I think there's definitely healthier attitudes than Americans' attitudes about alcohol.

00:49:02.000 But also, like, wine is a good way to start.

00:49:05.000 Like, you start off a kid with whiskey...

00:49:08.000 That's not the way to start.

00:49:10.000 That's too potent.

00:49:11.000 One of my first times I ever got drunk was on Jack Daniels, and it took years for me to smell Jack Daniels and not want to throw up.

00:49:17.000 I'm sure.

00:49:19.000 You get those triggers in your head where you smell it, like Jägermeister.

00:49:22.000 I used to smell Jägermeister and just be like...

00:49:26.000 Yep.

00:49:27.000 Because you just think about just getting violently ill where your body's trying to purge it from your system so you don't die. 0.99

00:49:35.000 To hide it from kids and tell them that it's taboo, but then you drink it, and then they're like, I can't wait until these fucking people can't tell me what to do anymore. 0.98

00:49:43.000 Get myself a nice cold glass of whiskey. 0.97

00:49:48.000 That goes also to education in general. 0.97

00:49:50.000 If a parent has to come to the place where you say, these are the rules, you live under my roof, you need to pay them, that's like raising the white flag and admitting, I've lost already, I lost control, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. 1.00

00:50:03.000 Of course all they are going to do is wait for you to turn around and do exactly the thing you're prohibiting because you're coming across as a dictator, you're coming across as an asshole. 0.99

00:50:11.000 If instead you can teach somebody, look man, You can do whatever you want. 0.99

00:50:17.000 The goal here is we want to make sure, we both want to make sure that you're happy and you're safe.

00:50:22.000 Simple enough.

00:50:23.000 So let's figure out a strategy to make sure you can be happy and safe, and I'm on board, whatever.

00:50:28.000 That's a lot easier for people to respond to being like, okay, so you're not just a killjoy who's trying to squash my life.

00:50:35.000 You're somebody who's concerned about me not ending up dead.

00:50:39.000 Fair enough.

00:50:39.000 We can work with that, you know.

00:50:41.000 Yeah, but parents have to work. 0.99

00:50:43.000 Yeah.

00:50:43.000 And they don't have any time.

00:50:44.000 Exactly.

00:50:45.000 I don't have to tell you.

00:50:45.000 You're a parent.

00:50:46.000 Right. 1.00

00:50:46.000 You're like, just fucking listen to me. 1.00

00:50:49.000 Shut up. 1.00

00:50:49.000 I'm busy. 1.00

00:50:50.000 I'm writing my book over here. 0.99

00:50:52.000 I'm fucking getting my lectures ready. 0.98

00:50:54.000 And the kid's like, hey, hey, hey, what about whiskey? 1.00

00:50:57.000 Don't fucking touch that shit. 1.00

00:50:59.000 Get out of there. 1.00

00:51:00.000 Get out of that liquor cabinet. 0.99

00:51:02.000 Right.

00:51:03.000 Yeah, I remember when I was a kid, I couldn't wait to drink.

00:51:05.000 Of course.

00:51:05.000 This is going to be fun.

00:51:06.000 Of course.

00:51:07.000 It's got to be.

00:51:07.000 It's taboo.

00:51:08.000 Yep.

00:51:08.000 It's forbidden.

00:51:09.000 Yep.

00:51:11.000 But that's the problem with forbidding stuff.

00:51:13.000 It never works.

00:51:14.000 Well, it's also Italian food and wine seem to go hand in hand.

00:51:20.000 And that used to be what they drank because they were concerned with getting sick, right?

00:51:29.000 And one of the best ways to not get sick was to drink wine.

00:51:32.000 The alcohol content? 0.98

00:51:33.000 Well, yeah, the alcohol content would keep the water from, I mean, like if you just drink water all the time, especially if it's sitting still, you could get some bad fucking water, right? 0.89

00:51:42.000 You can get bad water from a lake. 0.97

00:51:44.000 I mean, how many, they didn't know jack shit about parasites back then. 0.99

00:51:47.000 How many people got some terrible diseases from drinking puddle water and shit? 0.99

00:51:51.000 I'm sure a lot. 0.99

00:51:52.000 Oh, yeah.

00:51:52.000 You just find some water.

00:51:54.000 Like, oh, we're thirsty.

00:51:55.000 Time to drink.

00:51:56.000 Or even a creek.

00:51:57.000 You drink in a creek and you think, like, oh, this is a beautiful stream.

00:52:00.000 This is clear water. 0.99

00:52:02.000 Yeah, but a beaver took a shit just 100 yards ahead. 0.99

00:52:05.000 Exactly. 0.99

00:52:06.000 You don't know about it.

00:52:07.000 You get what's called beaver fever.

00:52:09.000 For real, that's what they call giardia.

00:52:12.000 They call it beaver fever.

00:52:14.000 Yeah, that can be good.

00:52:15.000 No, it's terrible.

00:52:16.000 So they used to drink wine to prevent what they would call traveler's disease.

00:52:19.000 Mm-hmm.

00:52:20.000 Because people would take these, what are those things called?

00:52:25.000 The leather things that they would carry wine in.

00:52:27.000 I want to say flask, but it's not a flask.

00:52:29.000 What are those leather satchels that they would carry wine in?

00:52:33.000 I thought they used flask for that, but I'm not sure.

00:52:36.000 Might be.

00:52:36.000 There's a term, it's like a leather bag and it had like on the end like a cork and you just drink from that and that's how they would hydrate.

00:52:46.000 People must have been just hammered all day.

00:52:49.000 When you read the statistics of how much people used to drink, it's amazing that anything ever got done because it's just people were drinking morning through night.

00:52:58.000 And they must have been horrific to each other.

00:53:01.000 Just imagine a whole civilization that is a drunken bar at 1am.

00:53:08.000 Angry drunk.

00:53:09.000 You know, it's funny because I've seen it enough that I get it.

00:53:12.000 People get edgy and weird where...

00:53:16.000 When they drink too much.

00:53:18.000 But I never got it.

00:53:19.000 Because to me, if I'm drunk, that's when I'm happy.

00:53:22.000 I want to hug people.

00:53:23.000 Why would I want to be in a bad mood?

00:53:24.000 This is awesome.

00:53:25.000 Well, you're a nice guy.

00:53:27.000 That's what it is that comes out. 1.00

00:53:29.000 Yeah, if you're a fucking asshole, you get drunk. 1.00

00:53:33.000 Especially if you're just barely keeping that asshole under the surface. 1.00

00:53:36.000 You just want to fucking stab everybody and club them and steal their women. 1.00

00:53:41.000 And then you get a couple of drinks in you. 1.00

00:53:44.000 Alcohol is a great social lubricant, right?

00:53:48.000 It's great for releasing inhibitions and letting people communicate with each other more freely and have fun.

00:53:54.000 But it also removes doubt.

00:53:59.000 And that's not good.

00:54:01.000 I think doubt is critical.

00:54:03.000 Doubt is one of the pieces of the great puzzle.

00:54:07.000 The great puzzle has many ingredients, and one of those ingredients is doubt.

00:54:11.000 And doubt is important.

00:54:12.000 You should look at anything you're about to contemplate and go, hmm, let me think about this.

00:54:17.000 Let me think what could go wrong when you get a couple of drinks. 1.00

00:54:21.000 Fuck it! 1.00

00:54:21.000 Let's do it! 1.00

00:54:22.000 Let's go!

00:54:23.000 Woo! 0.99

00:54:23.000 And then next thing you know, you're on an internet meme. 0.99

00:54:26.000 Hold my beer! 0.70

00:54:27.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.52

00:54:28.000 We talked about that yesterday, like some of the more ridiculous ones, but there's so many of those out there, and almost all of them have to do with alcohol.

00:54:34.000 Yeah? 0.86

00:54:35.000 No, you're totally right.

00:54:36.000 And I think what you're saying about that, there's a great...

00:54:39.000 Alan Watts, the guy who popularizes Zen and Taoism and all of that stuff, he had this great line.

00:54:45.000 He called it the wisdom of insecurity.

00:54:47.000 You know, this idea of...

00:54:49.000 Thread real careful.

00:54:50.000 There's a wisdom there in not being overly dogmatic, which doesn't mean...

00:54:55.000 The problem is that people take that concept too far and that turn it into having no balls and not being able to take a stand.

00:55:02.000 That's not the solution either.

00:55:03.000 That's the other side of the problem.

00:55:05.000 But there's a sweet spot in between where you can take stances, but they are careful stances.

00:55:11.000 They are stances that are very willing to be changed at the drop of a dime if you show the good evidence to change them.

00:55:18.000 That, to me, is what intellectual honesty looks like.

00:55:22.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:55:23.000 I think it's good to be aware of all the possibilities.

00:55:26.000 I used to tell people that when I was teaching Taekwondo, like people that would compete, if they were really, really nervous, I'd be like, the really smart people are really nervous because you're aware of all the possibilities, of everything that can go wrong. 0.97

00:55:40.000 The people that aren't worried about it at all, they're usually dumb.

00:55:44.000 There's that, but also to me there are some people, like I look at some of the people who are able to keep it together in this Kind of like Chuck Liddell, right? 0.98

00:55:53.000 Take a nap right before a fight kind of thing.

00:55:55.000 I can tell by looking at those guys and just be like, you know something I don't know.

00:56:00.000 There's something there that you're doing.

00:56:01.000 Confidence, for sure.

00:56:03.000 I mean, Chuck had been knocking people unconscious for many, many years, and he knew exactly what to do.

00:56:07.000 And he knew he was good at it.

00:56:08.000 There's that, for sure.

00:56:09.000 And I think there's the other side is knowing that, okay, if I have decided to do it, fear is not going to help me now.

00:56:15.000 It helped me to make decisions earlier, but right now it's not going to help me, so let's figure out.

00:56:20.000 Man, it was hilarious.

00:56:22.000 My girlfriend fights MMA professionally.

00:56:25.000 Yeah, I've noticed that.

00:56:26.000 Yeah, she's wild, man. 0.99

00:56:27.000 I've been paying attention to your escapades online.

00:56:30.000 Yeah.

00:56:31.000 She's crazy, huh? 1.00

00:56:32.000 She's crazy. 0.99

00:56:34.000 She literally had that Chuck Liddell mode where she took a nap right before a fight. 1.00

00:56:38.000 And, you know, like 45 minutes before you have to wake her up going like, hey, ready.

00:56:42.000 And she's all like...

00:56:43.000 Okay, ready to roll.

00:56:45.000 And I'm like, I would not sleep for a week prior.

00:56:48.000 How do you manage to keep it together like this?

00:56:50.000 It's good to do.

00:56:51.000 I used to do that.

00:56:52.000 I used to sleep before fights.

00:56:53.000 It's good.

00:56:54.000 That's awesome.

00:56:54.000 Yeah, but you just can get yourself into a more calm state.

00:56:59.000 It's so much better than frantically running around and freaking out and fretting.

00:57:04.000 Plus, it freaks out your opponents.

00:57:06.000 I would sleep right in the bleachers.

00:57:08.000 I'd just go to sleep right there. 0.99

00:57:10.000 And everybody else would be nervous and shit, and you're sleeping. 0.99

00:57:12.000 Exactly. 0.99

00:57:13.000 You look at that.

00:57:14.000 I'm supposed to fight that guy?

00:57:15.000 The guy was sleeping right before the fight?

00:57:18.000 Hell no.

00:57:19.000 The first match she did was nuts because you're in the locker room and there's the guy sitting next to you, goes out for his match, comes right back, he said he's split open, covered in blood, and they're telling you, okay, you get ready, you're going next.

00:57:32.000 And I'm dying, right?

00:57:33.000 I'm just thinking, how the hell?

00:57:35.000 And she's all like, la, la, la.

00:57:38.000 Where'd you meet her?

00:57:38.000 At the gym?

00:57:39.000 No, she literally lived across the street from me. 0.99

00:57:42.000 That's crazy.

00:57:42.000 Just random.

00:57:44.000 And it was funny because I used to say, this is where the universe has a sense of humor, because I used to say all the time, like, I'm kind of, I can get along with anybody, but I don't necessarily click with a lot of people.

00:57:55.000 So my thing was like, yeah, where do I find somebody I click with?

00:57:57.000 Across the street.

00:57:58.000 And I said that like 10,000 times, right?

00:58:00.000 One day I'm like, look at that.

00:58:03.000 That's hilarious.

00:58:04.000 Yeah, I know.

00:58:05.000 That's why I was looking at the universe going like, okay, that's funny, haha.

00:58:10.000 There's definitely little things that almost slap you in the face. 1.00

00:58:14.000 Yeah, there's a whole system going on, stupid. 1.00

00:58:17.000 Just pay attention. 1.00

00:58:18.000 I know. 1.00

00:58:19.000 I know you make fun of Oprah, but the secret might be real, motherfucker. 1.00

00:58:23.000 Oprah's got $3 billion. 1.00

00:58:26.000 Seriously, man.

00:58:27.000 There might be something to it all.

00:58:28.000 Yeah, it seems completely preposterous, but... 0.99

00:58:31.000 Intellectually, I always want to say, nah, you know, things don't happen for a fucking reason. 0.94

00:58:38.000 You decide they happen for a reason afterwards because it helps fit your sense of order. 0.99

00:58:43.000 The funny thing is I completely agree with that, and I also completely agree with the fact that sometimes things click in a way that you're like, okay, you're fucking with me.

00:58:51.000 I think about people all the time, out of nowhere, I'll get an email from them.

00:58:55.000 Like, out of nowhere? 0.86

00:58:56.000 Like, I haven't talked to this guy in 10 fucking years, and then all of a sudden I get an email. 0.97

00:59:00.000 Or, you know, you run into them somewhere. 0.99

00:59:02.000 Like, what?

00:59:03.000 How is it possible I'm running into you at the airport?

00:59:05.000 This doesn't even make sense.

00:59:07.000 I know.

00:59:07.000 You reconnect.

00:59:08.000 It's very strange.

00:59:10.000 Yeah.

00:59:10.000 Those are the times when it really humbles you and makes you think, okay, the universe is such a weird place and what I understand is like probably 0.01% of what's out there.

00:59:21.000 Yeah.

00:59:21.000 We're connected in some other weird, bizarre way that we haven't figured out yet.

00:59:25.000 And maybe we'll never will.

00:59:27.000 Maybe we'll become symbiotes.

00:59:29.000 Maybe we'll become completely ingrained technologically before we figure out the biological connections that we share.

00:59:35.000 Because I think there's...

00:59:36.000 I think there's like the obvious senses that we all have, but I think there's some other stuff going on.

00:59:40.000 You think about someone and then boom, they're calling you on the phone.

00:59:44.000 That just to me is too coincidental sometimes.

00:59:49.000 Sometimes it's random.

00:59:50.000 Sure.

00:59:50.000 Like say if it's someone that you talk to all the time and then they call you, that's just coincidence.

00:59:55.000 Yeah, no big deal. 0.95

00:59:56.000 But there's some times, man, where you just, you're talking about someone, and all of a sudden the fucking phone rings, and I go, look at this. 0.97

01:00:03.000 This is crazy. 0.99

01:00:04.000 Yep.

01:00:04.000 You haven't talked to them in four years.

01:00:05.000 Exactly.

01:00:06.000 They're calling you right there.

01:00:07.000 Exactly.

01:00:07.000 There's something to that.

01:00:08.000 Yep.

01:00:09.000 And you ask them, like, why'd you call me?

01:00:10.000 Just stop right now.

01:00:12.000 I'm not saying, like, why you calling me now.

01:00:14.000 Sure, sure, sure.

01:00:14.000 I'm saying, like, what was going on?

01:00:16.000 Like, what caused you to call me?

01:00:18.000 I don't know, I just had a weird feeling. 1.00

01:00:19.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

01:00:20.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:00:21.000 I know, episodes all the time.

01:00:23.000 It's crazy.

01:00:25.000 You can also tell when people are creepy, too, right?

01:00:28.000 You can tell when someone's a creep.

01:00:30.000 There's something weird.

01:00:31.000 The vibe that you pick up.

01:00:33.000 Weird, vile.

01:00:33.000 What is that?

01:00:34.000 What's that?

01:00:35.000 I really do think that there's something that verbal communication is a very small way in which we communicate.

01:00:41.000 There's so much more to it.

01:00:43.000 Because there are times when you walk into a room and you already know who you're going to like and who you don't.

01:00:49.000 And the ones that you don't, then you need to spend the next whatever long it takes you to find the reason why you don't click.

01:00:56.000 But you already know it.

01:00:57.000 There's that something there is going on.

01:00:59.000 There's a smell.

01:01:01.000 And I think most people trust their perceptions.

01:01:03.000 So they're like, no, no, I need to find out the rational reason.

01:01:07.000 Why would I have this preconception?

01:01:10.000 To me, it's like, if you feel it, there's probably good reason for it.

01:01:13.000 If you have a strong feeling about it, I would trust it rather than not. 0.99

01:01:17.000 Fuck yeah. 0.99

01:01:19.000 Yeah, trust it rather than not is a good way. 1.00

01:01:21.000 And, you know, don't trust it like, that's definitely a witch. 0.98

01:01:24.000 Yeah, no, not that.

01:01:26.000 I knew it.

01:01:28.000 Do not burn your people at the stake.

01:01:29.000 That's a bad idea.

01:01:31.000 Yeah.

01:01:33.000 That was a weird time, too, right?

01:01:34.000 It's just amazing to me that the United States is such a recent...

01:01:41.000 Sort of experiment in self-government and that no one has done anything like that since then.

01:01:46.000 That's what's kind of really amazing to me when I stop and think about all the wacky shit that's taken place in America over the last 300 plus years and then that no one else has done that.

01:01:56.000 No one else has said, look, we found a spot in Australia, and the Australian government has allowed us to carve off a big chunk. 0.95

01:02:03.000 Right.

01:02:03.000 Let's call it, you know, whatever.

01:02:07.000 Danielia Land.

01:02:08.000 I'm all for it, and I swear I'll be a good leader.

01:02:11.000 I won't. 0.99

01:02:11.000 Screw all your wives. 0.99

01:02:13.000 Maybe. 0.99

01:02:13.000 We'll see. 0.99

01:02:14.000 It seems like what's also amazing is that the United States has managed to become the number one superpower in the world.

01:02:21.000 Mm-hmm. 0.97

01:02:22.000 As a group of all crazy immigrants that all moved into one spot. 1.00

01:02:27.000 Yep.

01:02:28.000 Yeah, no, the story of the United States is fascinating because, yeah, you don't, and probably it's never going to happen again because, you know, that was the product of a war that did not know about, oh, there's this other con, you know, you find out, it's new, it's exciting, it's everything.

01:02:41.000 Now you know what's out there.

01:02:43.000 I mean, unless you go for space exploration, nothing like this will happen in the history of planet Earth.

01:02:48.000 It just, The only way it can happen is a reset, a civilization reset.

01:02:52.000 There would have to be like a bunch of people die, like most people die.

01:02:56.000 Apocalypse, most people lose the knowledge of what was going on before, then yeah sure, you can have a post Graham Hancock kind of story.

01:03:03.000 Yeah, post Graham Hancock, that's entirely possible too.

01:03:07.000 That's entirely possible.

01:03:08.000 Although I did read something very recently that they think What was the super volcano that killed most people on the planet 70,000 years ago?

01:03:21.000 They found one pocket of humans that actually survived and thrived in Africa.

01:03:26.000 But they think that the entire population of human beings at that point in time, 70,000 years ago, the entire population in the world was only around 100,000 people.

01:03:38.000 Yeah, and then it dropped down to 10,000.

01:03:42.000 Wow!

01:03:43.000 10,000 people because of the supervolcano.

01:03:45.000 So the supervolcano blew.

01:03:48.000 It wiped out most life.

01:03:50.000 It wiped out most people.

01:03:53.000 It plunged the earth into some sort of a nuclear winter.

01:03:56.000 I forget where it was.

01:03:58.000 I want to say it was Bali or Indonesia?

01:04:00.000 Mount Toba.

01:04:00.000 Where was that?

01:04:01.000 Indonesia.

01:04:02.000 Sumatra.

01:04:03.000 Sumatra.

01:04:05.000 Killed literally 90% of the people.

01:04:08.000 And 10,000 were left.

01:04:10.000 So 70,000 years ago, we were down to 10,000 humans. 0.93

01:04:13.000 Which makes all the things about racism so silly.

01:04:17.000 Dude, that's a good show for Kevin Hart. 0.94

01:04:19.000 Not even.

01:04:20.000 That's a light crowd for Kevin Hart.

01:04:22.000 Exactly.

01:04:23.000 10,000 people. 1.00

01:04:25.000 It's like a fucking Blink-182 concert. 1.00

01:04:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:04:29.000 10,000 people, man.

01:04:31.000 That's nothing.

01:04:32.000 You stop and think about that.

01:04:34.000 It's insane.

01:04:35.000 I've done 10,000 people in a night before.

01:04:37.000 In Denver, I did two shows.

01:04:39.000 There are 5,000 each.

01:04:40.000 That's 10,000 people. 1.00

01:04:42.000 That's the fucking entire population of Earth. 0.99

01:04:44.000 And that now became 7 billion. 0.99

01:04:48.000 70,000 years later.

01:04:50.000 It's nuts.

01:04:51.000 We're so weird.

01:04:52.000 We're such a weird animal.

01:04:53.000 Like, if you could study us without being us, like, if somehow or another you could remove all of your cultural conceptions and all the things that you've just sort of accepted and established as fact as a human and just look at it completely objective,

01:05:10.000 you'd be like, what a nutty animal this thing is. 0.99

01:05:13.000 What the fuck are we doing? 1.00

01:05:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:05:16.000 That's why it never gets old to study the human psyche.

01:05:20.000 Like, what makes people choose this?

01:05:22.000 Because that's the beauty of human beings.

01:05:24.000 We have choices that, you know, a wolf is a wolf.

01:05:28.000 There are only so many things you can choose as a wolf.

01:05:31.000 You know, yeah, you could have a wolf that adopts one strategy, one another, but the range of choices is pretty limited.

01:05:36.000 As humans, we have this insane range of choices, and it's fascinating to see what it is that makes some people go in one direction and a completely different one.

01:05:45.000 It's fun.

01:05:46.000 It is fun.

01:05:47.000 And what's fascinating to me about human beings of today is I've never seen a time where people are more interested in other people doing what they want them to do.

01:06:01.000 Other people thinking the way they want them to think, other people behaving the way they want.

01:06:06.000 People, it seems to me, are more concerned with controlling people's expression and thinking today than ever before.

01:06:15.000 And even more so on the left, it seems like I'm seeing this interesting trend today where people like, it's almost like we don't like where things are headed.

01:06:26.000 We don't like what's happening.

01:06:27.000 We don't like who the president is.

01:06:28.000 So people are being real adamant about enforcing certain types of behavior.

01:06:34.000 And that, in turn, just like we're talking about suppressing people from drinking alcohol, that in turn makes people rebel.

01:06:40.000 Of course.

01:06:41.000 I feel like there's more people that are leaning right today than ever before, and I attribute it entirely to the people on the left.

01:06:49.000 You know, the thing that's funny about it is that most human beings, even if you just look at the United States, right, most people are not the extreme right or the extreme left.

01:06:59.000 The overwhelming majority are not.

01:07:01.000 I think a lot of this stuff is also a little bit media created in the sense that it's like, let's find the most batshit crazy person on that side. 0.99

01:07:09.000 Let's put the spotlight on them, which make everybody go like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:07:14.000 Who are those crazy people? 1.00

01:07:16.000 And that's how—it's kind of like if you were to pick, you know, the Westboro Baptist Church and make it be representative of Christianity.

01:07:24.000 It's not, you know, but if you keep putting the spotlight there, you'll create this perception, will create a backlash, and it becomes this thing where— That's one of the funny things that I was noticing because I really don't like political correctness.

01:07:38.000 I really don't like academia.

01:07:40.000 There are 10,000 of these things where I'm like, yeah, I'm completely on board with not liking some of these things.

01:07:48.000 But then there's another side where, you know, I have been teaching a university since 2001. I don't think I've seen once a case of the kind of political correctness that I see in articles in media.

01:07:59.000 Not once, you know?

01:08:01.000 Like, I was doing the math.

01:08:02.000 I had probably maybe 11,000 students in my classes over the course of these years.

01:08:07.000 And I haven't heard one person ever defend hardcore communism or make an argument, even among my colleagues, which I have issues for other reasons.

01:08:18.000 That's never been one of the things.

01:08:20.000 So I'm like, I keep hearing about it, I read it on papers, but why is it that when I spend, you know, that's how I make my living, I'm on college campuses all the time, I hardly ever see it.

01:08:30.000 And so I'm thinking, I'm not saying that it's not true.

01:08:33.000 Of course, these stories are true.

01:08:35.000 There's no argument.

01:08:36.000 But what I'm wondering is how much do they get blown out of proportion because you get clicks, because it makes for an interesting narrative, which then some people also leave off that kind of narrative.

01:08:47.000 And I'm like, how much is it something where you are putting the spotlight on a rare exception and make it the norm versus how much it's a real thing?

01:08:57.000 Because, you know, you would expect, I mean, I teach in Southern California and some of the most, you know, Santa Monica is one of the most liberal places around.

01:09:04.000 If this thing was as dominant as advertised, I should be running into it all the time, right?

01:09:10.000 And I don't like that stuff, so I would be sensitive, you know, I would be paying attention, and yet I don't see it.

01:09:15.000 So I'm like, hmm, what's going on here?

01:09:17.000 That's interesting.

01:09:18.000 Well, I think the instances are more frequent than ever before, but I also think if you put it into perspective and think about how many universities there are across the country, I mean, there are hundreds and hundreds of universities.

01:09:32.000 And if you have one incident that breaks out one month in one place...

01:09:39.000 Exactly. 0.96

01:09:40.000 And it was about one conservative speaker that's going to give a lecture, and everybody freaks out and goes crazy, and all the people with green hair fucking bang on the windows. 0.60

01:09:50.000 It becomes something that people are worried about spreading. 0.78

01:09:54.000 And so I think that's one of the reasons, because I'm sure you're familiar with the story from Evergreen State.

01:10:02.000 That was a fascinating story.

01:10:04.000 And for people who are interested in it, Google Brett Weinstein and Evergreen State College and you can listen to him on my podcast.

01:10:14.000 I had him on right after it all went down.

01:10:17.000 What had happened was there was a thing called the Day of Absence that had traditionally been people of color would stay home just so that people would recognize that, like, oh, when they're not there, we miss them and we miss their contributions and they're an important part of our community.

01:10:30.000 I think that's a little silly to stay home to do that.

01:10:32.000 I agree with you.

01:10:32.000 But I think it's not a bad...

01:10:35.000 It's a good thing for people to recognize that everybody plays a part, and if these people feel marginalized, give them a little extra juice, that's fine.

01:10:43.000 But the real hardcore social justice warriors decide that's not enough.

01:10:47.000 Instead, what we want is all white people to stay home. 0.94

01:10:51.000 And like, you can't do that. 0.95

01:10:52.000 Of course.

01:10:53.000 Because now you're telling people to stay home versus allowing people to stay home in which case you miss them.

01:10:59.000 Of course.

01:11:00.000 This is the opposite.

01:11:01.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:11:01.000 You're telling these white people to fuck off. 1.00

01:11:02.000 So Brett, who is like a fiercely progressive person, was telling people like, you are making a mistake here. 1.00

01:11:09.000 You're getting out of line.

01:11:10.000 This is not the way to do it.

01:11:11.000 Right. 0.99

01:11:11.000 And then they went crazy and they're fucking looking for them with baseball bats and they You know, they literally kidnapped classes. 0.99

01:11:19.000 They held the principal or the president of the school in this room. 0.99

01:11:25.000 And even when they went to the bathroom, they escorted him to the restroom and then brought him back to the room.

01:11:30.000 They wouldn't let people leave.

01:11:31.000 The stories are amazing.

01:11:33.000 No, I mean, in fact, that stuff is complete batshit crazy line, right?

01:11:36.000 Complete batshit crazy.

01:11:37.000 We completely agree on that. 1.00

01:11:39.000 It's like, that is ridiculous. 0.98

01:11:40.000 That has no place anywhere. 1.00

01:11:42.000 That's bullshit. 0.99

01:11:43.000 That you don't do stuff like that is just... 1.00

01:11:45.000 Same thing as the Jordan Peterson thing in Toronto. 0.99

01:11:48.000 That policy was a stupid policy and he was right in arguing against it. 0.98

01:11:52.000 So I'm not arguing that they are wrong. 1.00

01:11:54.000 No, I know you're not.

01:11:55.000 They're completely right.

01:11:56.000 My issue is from there to arguing that this is this super prevalent thing.

01:12:02.000 It's like from one story or one story there to say instead there's a communist conspiracy to brainwash us all.

01:12:09.000 It's like, okay, we're...

01:12:10.000 We are starting from a completely understandable premise and taking it like 25 steps too far.

01:12:15.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:12:16.000 I agree, but I think that what's happening is more of these unusual situations are occurring, and so people are terrified of this spreading like wildfire across the country.

01:12:27.000 Because...

01:12:29.000 Kids are very easily influenced, you know, and they're also idealistic, you know, they want to change the world. 1.00

01:12:35.000 Maybe they grew up with a father who was an asshole and a racist and like, fuck this, no racism, no fascism, and they're calling everybody a Nazi and running down the street. 0.99

01:12:43.000 And in fact, I have it as a question, not as something I'm sure of, but what I wonder is how much of this is media-fueled and how much is real? 1.00

01:12:55.000 I mean, some of it is real for sure.

01:12:57.000 My question is how much is some?

01:12:59.000 Well, most certainly, media influences people, and it influences people in a bunch of different ways.

01:13:07.000 It shows that you can get attention for doing certain things.

01:13:09.000 It shows that other people are in support of maybe what you thought were your radical ideas, and that you find other radical people as well.

01:13:16.000 But, I mean, that's also the argument for not publishing the name of school shooters, right?

01:13:21.000 It's because a lot of these people think that this is media fueled by people that are seeking attention.

01:13:26.000 I think they're probably right in certain ways.

01:13:28.000 In a certain respect.

01:13:30.000 But it's also just a part of who we are, and I think it makes us really consider and take into responsibility what is significant about broadcasting ideas and how much influence these ideas have on people who absorb them,

01:13:48.000 people who take them in.

01:13:49.000 For sure.

01:13:49.000 I think my issue with some of these things is that often it becomes a partisan thing.

01:13:55.000 When your guys do that and they show those totalitarian things, then boo, bad totalitarians.

01:14:00.000 When my guys do it, I'll turn the other way and pretend it's not true.

01:14:04.000 To me, in fact, it's not one particular ideology or another.

01:14:08.000 It kind of goes back to what you were saying about human nature in general.

01:14:12.000 Totalitarianism, you know, this idea that you want to control what people think their choices is horrible, regardless of who's doing it.

01:14:20.000 And in that case, nobody has a monopoly on this because you have seen hardcore religious fundamentalists push totalitarianism.

01:14:27.000 You have seen, you know, atheist ideology like communism pushing totalitarianism.

01:14:32.000 Completely, right?

01:14:33.000 You see people on the political left, people on the political right.

01:14:38.000 It's a virus.

01:14:39.000 It's a virus of the mind that when it takes over, there's this desire to squash all other choices.

01:14:45.000 And I find it equally horrible regardless of who's doing it.

01:14:49.000 I'm a little suspicious when the narrative becomes, look at those guys doing it, and you're only picking one side.

01:14:56.000 There are some guys where I see Even they desperately try to be like, no, I'm fair.

01:15:02.000 Look, I pick on my...

01:15:02.000 I was listening to somebody doing this thing.

01:15:04.000 I think he was more right-wing oriented and he was saying, oh, this time we are wrong.

01:15:09.000 And I was like, oh, look at that.

01:15:09.000 That's kind of a self-criticism.

01:15:11.000 That's interesting.

01:15:11.000 Let me listen.

01:15:12.000 We are wrong because we are just like the left and you should hear what the left...

01:15:17.000 And then for the next half hour, he goes on about the left. 1.00

01:15:19.000 I'm like, that's not self-criticism, motherfucker. 1.00

01:15:21.000 That's just... 1.00

01:15:22.000 You're still a partisan shill, you know?

01:15:24.000 That's like not being honest to me.

01:15:26.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:15:27.000 And that, I think, what bugs me is when it's an ideological battle when you want to score points as opposed to saying, look, there are certain things that are fucked up that are evil. 0.98

01:15:38.000 Totalitarianism, regardless of which adjective it's attached to it, is bad. 0.97

01:15:42.000 How about we agree on that?

01:15:46.000 That's kind of where sometimes I feel a little sketchy in the way the narrative gets pushed, that it becomes a my tribe versus your tribe thing.

01:15:55.000 Well, you would probably know better than most because you've been teaching in universities for so long.

01:15:59.000 I mean, you would see that you're on the battlefield. 0.89

01:16:01.000 I think a lot of what it is is a lot of what you were talking about before, about people doing horrific things, is that they're cowards.

01:16:08.000 And they just give in to the whims of those around them and the mob mentality.

01:16:13.000 And I think that happens with the right-wing ideology that you see expressed in horrific ways, like, you know, whether it's...

01:16:22.000 I mean, fill in the blank.

01:16:24.000 It could be Charlottesville.

01:16:25.000 It could be any of these horrific things that have happened where right-wing people got together and protested versus what happens with the left.

01:16:34.000 I think it's a lot of it is just people wanting to be a part of a group, people wanting to be a part of this thing that gives them – they have this feeling of being in a tribe and solidarity, and they go along with whatever the ideology is that tribe's pushing.

01:16:50.000 Absolutely.

01:16:51.000 And that to me is such a danger because it's, you know, that sense of belonging is something that all human beings crave to one degree or another.

01:16:59.000 And so it's the same thing that make people join cults.

01:17:02.000 It's the same thing that make people join some hardcore political position.

01:17:06.000 It's the same thing that make people join biker guys.

01:17:09.000 It's the same mentality, right?

01:17:10.000 It's we need to...

01:17:17.000 Because it feels good to have other people who embrace you as one of them, who treat you well as a result, but of course the price to pay is your individuality.

01:17:26.000 Because you have to kind of sacrifice the complexity of who you are in order to fit in neatly into this box. 0.85

01:17:33.000 Yeah, and you kind of have to shut out objectivity, because if you look at things objectively, you're going to say, well, we're fucked up too, and this doesn't make any sense, and these aren't my enemy.

01:17:44.000 They're just people that are on a bad path. 0.52

01:17:46.000 Exactly.

01:17:47.000 I could have gone down that road too if I lived over in that community.

01:17:51.000 I've found myself in this one spot that leans left, and so I'm leaning left too.

01:17:56.000 Right.

01:17:56.000 Yeah.

01:17:57.000 Well, how does that stop, though?

01:17:58.000 This is my question about all that kind of stuff.

01:18:01.000 What could ever happen?

01:18:02.000 What could you foresee happening in history where people could look past that and sort of figure it out and go, you know what?

01:18:08.000 There has got to be a better way to behave and think, and this is probably one of our main concerns.

01:18:14.000 Because if you really look at If you ask people, what's our main concern?

01:18:18.000 Well, war.

01:18:19.000 Okay, sure.

01:18:20.000 The economy, that's big.

01:18:22.000 And then, you know, there's a host of other things that bother people.

01:18:25.000 Crime and education, all these different things.

01:18:27.000 Well, what is causing all of this conflict?

01:18:32.000 What is causing it?

01:18:33.000 Well, a giant percentage of what we're talking about is some sort of a weird tribal behavior.

01:18:38.000 Or you get a...

01:18:41.000 Get a group, you become a part of that group, and then that's what you identify with, so that's what you reinforce, and then you get some sort of brownie points for reinforcing the ideologies of that group, and you know, if you're the most rabid person, you're the Steve Bannon of that group, 0.99

01:18:58.000 everybody rises up and gets behind you, this motherfucker's at the front of the line! 0.99

01:19:02.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:19:02.000 Supporting our values! 0.99

01:19:04.000 And then, you know, you find these communities online where people just, they're constantly signaling to all these other people in that group that they're supporting this ideology, and they get all these likes.

01:19:15.000 I feel like likes...

01:19:17.000 On Twitter and on Instagram and stuff like that, I feel like that's shaping people's opinions and behavior way more than anyone has taken into consideration.

01:19:26.000 Totally.

01:19:27.000 I mean, even the fact that, you know, the algorithms make sure that you only see the stuff that you already click like on, so you start seeing the same threads over and over the same topics.

01:19:35.000 It really is creating echo chambers, and that's really not good. 0.98

01:19:39.000 It's fucking horrible. 0.98

01:19:40.000 You know, it's weird. 0.99

01:19:41.000 And it's weird what people like and what people don't like. 1.00

01:19:44.000 A lot of what people like is just really stupid. 1.00

01:19:46.000 I mean, how many girls are getting fake asses just for likes on Instagram? 1.00

01:19:50.000 I know. 0.99

01:19:50.000 It's probably a lot, right? 0.99

01:19:52.000 Definitely.

01:19:54.000 A very, very interesting time for human beings.

01:19:56.000 I feel like for you as a person who is deeply knowledgeable about history and you study history and you have this history podcast, when you look at today, do you ever try to look at today in a perspective of someone in the future trying to teach about today?

01:20:13.000 Yeah, and the thing is that as much as there are obviously cycles in history and there are patterns that are recognizable and all of that, today is also so damn unique because if you look at just Forget everything else.

01:20:24.000 If you look at the way just technology has shaped us, the last 150 years are unlike the previous 200,000 years.

01:20:32.000 You know, the stuff that has happened in the last 150 years from electricity, the refrigerator, internet, radio, TV, it's like...

01:20:41.000 The pace of technological development is something that nobody has ever even come close in human history before.

01:20:47.000 So we are in a place where we're really in uncharted territory, where the human mind has evolved so much from where Happy Monk is running around, but now we have these tools to do stuff that we are really not prepared to deal with to a large degree.

01:21:03.000 And so it's...

01:21:05.000 Kind of a big open question.

01:21:08.000 Where do we go from here?

01:21:10.000 Because there's no previous model that you can say, well, that one time, 3,000 years ago, when they invented the Internet, they handled it this way.

01:21:18.000 There's nothing like it.

01:21:20.000 The tools we have at our disposal are unlike anything that has ever happened before.

01:21:27.000 So, that's one of the cases where, you know, usually history, you can see, oh, you learned this lesson.

01:21:33.000 You can definitely learn about human nature and how the human mind works, but then from there you have to predict how the human mind will be applied to a context that's unlike anything, any other context that I've ever faced before.

01:21:45.000 And then the big concern is that the human mind will create an artificial mind that won't take into consideration any of the previous cultural ideals that we've supported and will just go run rampant.

01:21:57.000 Yep.

01:21:58.000 DARPA has created a robot that I've been raving about.

01:22:01.000 It drives me crazy.

01:22:02.000 It's called the Eater Robot, E-A-T-R. It operates on biological material, meaning it is fueled by eating bodies.

01:22:12.000 Okay, what could possibly go wrong with that?

01:22:15.000 The idea is that on the battlefield, I'm sure, they're not talking about this, they've conveniently left this, like, one of the things that Well, maybe you could eat plants.

01:22:23.000 Maybe you could eat a rabbit or something.

01:22:24.000 Right. 1.00

01:22:25.000 Or maybe you could eat fucking people. 1.00

01:22:27.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:22:27.000 My number one concern with all this stuff is that I think it's happening so fast and so many things are taking place in so many different realms when it comes to innovation that this stuff will just catch up to us before we even recognize it's happened and it'll be too late. 0.99

01:22:43.000 For sure.

01:22:45.000 Forget everything else, even just the whole atomic bombs issue.

01:22:48.000 Ever since we started from the 1940s to today, there have been some seriously close calls.

01:22:57.000 Remember the one?

01:22:58.000 There was one in the 1980s, I think, right before the end of the Cold War, where there was, in Russia, the guy goes to his boring job where they are supposed to look for missiles from the United States, and nothing ever happened day after day after day. 0.98

01:23:11.000 And then one day there's a bleep on the radar and they're like, oh shit. 0.60

01:23:14.000 And it's the guy's job to call his superiors. 0.99

01:23:17.000 And then if he does, the odds are they are going to press the button and he's like, no, no, no, wait, let's calm down.

01:23:23.000 Maybe it's wrong. 1.00

01:23:24.000 Americans are not that stupid. 1.00

01:23:26.000 They will not send one atomic bomb. 1.00

01:23:28.000 If they do it, they send a bunch.

01:23:29.000 So this must be a mistake.

01:23:30.000 Let's all relax.

01:23:32.000 Three minutes later, another bleep, another bleep, another bleep. 1.00

01:23:35.000 He's like, oh shit, they are sending a bunch of atomic bombs. 1.00

01:23:37.000 This is the real deal. 1.00

01:23:39.000 And the guy still doesn't do what he's supposed to.

01:23:42.000 He feels like, if I make this call, nuclear war starts, I need to be 3,000% convinced.

01:23:49.000 The evidence in front of me is pretty solid, but I still don't feel it.

01:23:53.000 And then five minutes later, all the bleeps go off.

01:23:55.000 It was a mistake on the radar, and there was like some random bleep.

01:23:59.000 And the guy promptly drank a bottle of vodka straight because he was like, He almost caused World War III. Exactly.

01:24:07.000 And, you know, most of us owe their lives now to some Russian dude in the 1980s who decided not to do what he was supposed to. 1.00

01:24:16.000 And then all because of a stupid mistake, a stupid bug in the radar. 0.99

01:24:23.000 That's when you know that the technologies we have are way too much for our decision making. 1.00

01:24:28.000 Or way not enough, because it should be better detection.

01:24:31.000 Exactly.

01:24:32.000 That's the other side, right?

01:24:34.000 Nothing.

01:24:34.000 I mean, what was it?

01:24:35.000 A flock of birds?

01:24:36.000 What was it?

01:24:36.000 I don't even know what the real thing is.

01:24:38.000 Yeah, that kind of shit terrifies me. 0.99

01:24:41.000 The ability to do something like that without the understanding or the discipline to create it is really nuts. 1.00

01:24:49.000 I always liken it to giving a baby a gun.

01:24:51.000 The baby didn't figure out how to use that gun. 1.00

01:24:54.000 They didn't invent it. 1.00

01:24:55.000 They don't know how to load a round, but they can just fucking pull that trigger. 1.00

01:25:00.000 And people can die. 1.00

01:25:01.000 That can happen.

01:25:03.000 People get killed by toddlers all the time.

01:25:05.000 People leave their purse in their bag.

01:25:07.000 Toddler picks it up, shoots himself, shoots someone else.

01:25:10.000 It happens. 0.63

01:25:11.000 All the time.

01:25:12.000 All the time, yeah.

01:25:16.000 Human beings have access to all sorts of technologies that we would never be able to figure out on our own.

01:25:21.000 With the great responsibility that comes with using those things, There should be some sort of great knowledge that you have to acquire about the thing itself.

01:25:32.000 Some reasonable facsimile of what it took to create that thing.

01:25:40.000 Some deep, intensive program.

01:25:43.000 Like, hey, you want to learn how to drive a car?

01:25:47.000 This is how an engine was developed.

01:25:49.000 This is how brakes work.

01:25:52.000 You can't half-ass this.

01:25:54.000 Right.

01:25:56.000 The same should be said about guns.

01:25:58.000 The same should be said about everything. 0.99

01:26:00.000 We just have access to too much shit that we would never be able to figure out on our own. 0.99

01:26:04.000 And we're like, well, just fucking try it. 1.00

01:26:06.000 Press that button. 0.98

01:26:07.000 See what happens.

01:26:09.000 The old my beer approach to six, right?

01:26:11.000 It's like, learn how to use it, then we can talk about it.

01:26:14.000 And they keep coming up with new ones.

01:26:16.000 Didn't Russia come up with some new supersonic missile?

01:26:18.000 Like just a few days ago they announced it?

01:26:20.000 I didn't hear about it.

01:26:22.000 Better off.

01:26:23.000 You're better off not hearing about it.

01:26:25.000 Scary stuff.

01:26:26.000 Will all the guests on the GRE will be here now in your compound with float tanks and stuff to survive the apocalypse when the zombies attack?

01:26:37.000 You don't want to be a survivor. 0.72

01:26:40.000 I mean, you maybe want your ancestors to survive, so you should survive, but your ancestors might get raped and eaten. 0.98

01:26:46.000 Right. 0.83

01:26:46.000 The process of surviving doesn't look like a fun one. 0.83

01:26:49.000 Right.

01:26:50.000 Like, if you were around in Indonesia 70,000 years ago when the big one blew, and you were one of the survivors, and you're picking through the wreckage of...

01:26:59.000 Civilization.

01:27:00.000 Not good times, definitely. 1.00

01:27:02.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:27:03.000 But then again, if it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have Disneyland. 1.00

01:27:06.000 Which is a very important point, yes.

01:27:10.000 If it wasn't for them, no Netflix.

01:27:12.000 Nope.

01:27:12.000 If it wasn't for them, no iPhone.

01:27:14.000 All because of people in Indonesia, yes. 1.00

01:27:16.000 All because those people did eat those dead people.

01:27:18.000 Yep. 0.99

01:27:19.000 All because those people did figure out a way to somehow or another get enough nutrients from whatever the fuck they ate to compensate for the fact they were involved in nuclear winter. 0.99

01:27:27.000 That's nuts, man. 0.99

01:27:29.000 Yeah.

01:27:29.000 It's crazy.

01:27:32.000 But it makes you realize, just we, the people that are listening to this, the people that are live today, we're not going to make it.

01:27:41.000 We are not going to make it.

01:27:42.000 Everyone's so hopeful that the human race is going to make it.

01:27:46.000 And that's one of the reasons why we have offspring and loved ones and friends.

01:27:49.000 And even if I'm gone, I want everyone else to be happy.

01:27:52.000 I had a great time while I'm here.

01:27:53.000 Don't cry for me.

01:27:54.000 But no one's making it.

01:27:56.000 They're not going to make it either.

01:27:57.000 You're just prolonging their life.

01:27:59.000 Everyone's life is going to come to a wall.

01:28:03.000 Everyone.

01:28:03.000 That's how the game works.

01:28:05.000 But we're cool with that.

01:28:07.000 We're cool with Grandma dying.

01:28:08.000 Grandma died, but she was 97 years old when she died.

01:28:11.000 She was a wonderful woman and she was loved by many.

01:28:14.000 Everybody's cool with that.

01:28:15.000 You know what we're not cool with?

01:28:16.000 Everybody dying all at once.

01:28:18.000 The end?

01:28:19.000 This is the end of the experiment?

01:28:20.000 Yeah.

01:28:21.000 This is the end of the process? 1.00

01:28:22.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:28:22.000 No, it's not the end. 1.00

01:28:24.000 It's just, everyone's going to die, and then we're going to restart with monkeys.

01:28:28.000 It's going to take another few million years, but the chimps will eventually become people again. 1.00

01:28:32.000 It's kind of what Graham says, that if anybody's going to survive, it's going to be the people who are living close to hunting and gathering conditions today that are seen as the most backward people in the world, are the ones who actually have a shot at making it in an apocalyptic situation. 0.96

01:28:47.000 Yeah, like people in the Amazon or something like that.

01:28:49.000 They're probably the only ones that have a chance.

01:28:51.000 Yep.

01:28:51.000 What's the matter, Jamie?

01:28:52.000 You see this going around the story about this new company that can upload your brain but it kills you.

01:28:57.000 What?

01:28:58.000 Yeah.

01:28:58.000 A startup is pitching a mind-uploading service that is 100% fatal.

01:29:04.000 I think they're taking people that are already terminal patients and whatnot.

01:29:08.000 That's their first sort of...

01:29:10.000 And they're going to upload their mind.

01:29:11.000 Yeah, I don't know. 0.99

01:29:12.000 They're going to give you some bullshit, scrambled version of what you're... 0.99

01:29:17.000 It's going to be all swastikas. 0.99

01:29:19.000 Like, we found Grandpa's brain, and we're going to upload it now, and you'll be able to look into his thoughts. 0.99

01:29:25.000 Oh, it's all dicks! 1.00

01:29:26.000 Grandpa's all dicks and Nazi memorabilia. 1.00

01:29:30.000 Preserve your brain and upload a company. 0.99

01:29:32.000 Its chemical solution can keep a body intact for hundreds of years, maybe thousands, as a statue of frozen glass.

01:29:40.000 What?

01:29:42.000 The idea is that someday, in the future, scientists will scan your bricked brain and turn it into a computer simulation.

01:29:50.000 So they don't even know how to do it yet. 1.00

01:29:51.000 This is bullshit. 0.99

01:29:52.000 That way, someone a lot like you, though not exactly you, will smell the flowers again in a data server somewhere. 1.00

01:30:01.000 What?

01:30:03.000 Yeah.

01:30:04.000 What?

01:30:05.000 Okay, the story's a grisly twist, though.

01:30:08.000 For Nectome's procedure to work, it's essential that the brain be fresh.

01:30:14.000 The company says its plan is to connect people with terminal illnesses to a heart-lung machine in order to pump its mix of scientific embalming chemicals into the big cartoid arteries in their necks!

01:30:29.000 Mm-hmm.

01:30:29.000 Well, they're still alive.

01:30:31.000 They're under general anesthesia. 0.99

01:30:32.000 Thank God you put them under before you kill them. 0.54

01:30:34.000 Because we don't want them to experience any pain before they go into the great frozen glass statue beyond. 0.98

01:30:41.000 There's a waiting list.

01:30:42.000 Of course there's a waiting list. 1.00

01:30:43.000 A bunch of fucking idiots. 1.00

01:30:45.000 Jesus Christ, people are stupid. 1.00

01:30:48.000 You know, hundreds of thousands of people signed up to die on Mars. 1.00

01:30:52.000 Do you know that?

01:30:53.000 To have the opportunity to be one of the first people to die on Mars?

01:30:56.000 Hundreds of thousands of people signed up.

01:30:58.000 Yeah, you don't want to be the first. 1.00

01:31:00.000 To be locked in a spaceship for six months with a bunch of other people so fucking stupid they're willing to die on Mars. 1.00

01:31:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:31:06.000 Then you get there. 1.00

01:31:07.000 They're just talking about social justice the entire way.

01:31:10.000 All the way over.

01:31:11.000 They're talking about veganism and social justice.

01:31:15.000 Oh, man.

01:31:16.000 Yeah.

01:31:17.000 Elon Musk on first Mars Explorers.

01:31:19.000 Good chance you'll die.

01:31:21.000 Good chance.

01:31:22.000 How about 100%? 0.96

01:31:23.000 You're going to die whether you stay here. 0.89

01:31:25.000 Stay here. 1.00

01:31:25.000 Good chance you'll die. 1.00

01:31:26.000 You're dying.

01:31:27.000 Everyone's dying.

01:31:28.000 You're going to die. 1.00

01:31:29.000 That's the fucked up thing. 1.00

01:31:30.000 We just don't want everybody to die all at once. 0.99

01:31:32.000 Mm-hmm.

01:31:33.000 We're cool with small groups of people that are brown that die in caves on the other part of the world. 1.00

01:31:39.000 If we could be convinced they're primitive. 0.97

01:31:40.000 They hold these ridiculous beliefs, and we don't even know them. 0.98

01:31:45.000 Right. 1.00

01:31:45.000 So we're just going to kill them with robots. 1.00

01:31:47.000 It's somebody out there. 1.00

01:31:48.000 Who cares?

01:31:49.000 It's not us.

01:31:50.000 I think just the rate of change...

01:31:52.000 It's happening so fast. 1.00

01:31:53.000 There's going to be a lot of dumb shit like this. 1.00

01:31:55.000 It happens along the way. 1.00

01:31:56.000 Of course.

01:31:57.000 Like the bell bottoms of technology. 0.99

01:31:59.000 It's like, what the fuck were they thinking? 0.97

01:32:01.000 And it's going to keep happening like that. 0.99

01:32:04.000 I mean, think about even most of the stuff that we do today, like which foods are okay to eat and which ones not.

01:32:10.000 How many people like to go, oh, look at that.

01:32:13.000 Greg is gone.

01:32:14.000 He ate the wrong plant.

01:32:15.000 So let's make a note that we do not eat that plant.

01:32:17.000 Yeah.

01:32:18.000 Are we sure that's all Greg ate?

01:32:19.000 Yeah.

01:32:20.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:32:20.000 He's like, well, maybe we should still eat it.

01:32:22.000 Let's try it one more time.

01:32:23.000 Yeah, get Mike to eat it.

01:32:25.000 He's got an iron stomach. 1.00

01:32:27.000 That dude eats old carcasses and shit. 1.00

01:32:32.000 Oh, man. 1.00

01:32:32.000 They had to, like, express it somehow or another in a way that everybody would remember it, too. 1.00

01:32:37.000 Probably in songs and shit. 0.99

01:32:39.000 Yeah. 0.72

01:32:39.000 Yeah, because exactly. 0.72

01:32:40.000 That's the other thing.

01:32:41.000 How do you pass information in a society that's not literate?

01:32:44.000 And yet, people did it.

01:32:45.000 I mean, when you think about things like the Iliad or the Odyssey, you know, these long-ass compositions completely passed on orally, you know, without...

01:32:54.000 You know, by the time they wrote them down, it was centuries down the road.

01:32:57.000 It's like...

01:32:58.000 That's some pretty insane thing that humans were able to do and, like, memorize all this stuff.

01:33:03.000 Yeah, really insane.

01:33:04.000 You know, I was thinking the other day about songs, like how crazy the technology of remembering things through songs are.

01:33:11.000 Because if, like, you think of all the songs you could sing along to the words, now think of how many poems you could recite.

01:33:18.000 It's like very few, or stories that you can...

01:33:20.000 Well, poems, maybe because they rhyme, but reciting a story verbatim, almost none.

01:33:26.000 Very few, but...

01:33:28.000 Like, we were at the comedy store the other day, we were talking about grammar and sentence structure and stuff like that, and I brought up those ABC after-school things, like, Conjunction, junction, what's your function?

01:33:43.000 Hooking up words and phrases and clauses.

01:33:46.000 Like, you know what it is.

01:33:48.000 Like, you know, I'm just a bill sitting here on Capitol Hill. 0.97

01:33:52.000 And, like, they explain these things in a way that you could remember fucking decades later. 0.98

01:33:57.000 You would never remember. 0.85

01:33:59.000 You would never remember if it wasn't for those things.

01:34:02.000 There was a guy named Arius who was like one of these...

01:34:06.000 Like back when they had the Council of Nicaea and they kind of decided what is real Christianity going to be and what we decide to be the fake stuff... 0.88

01:34:15.000 Arius was on the losing side, but part of the thing that made him insanely popular is that he put on all his theologian songs, exactly like what you're saying.

01:34:23.000 So there would be this super complicated thing about, you know, Jesus, he's kind of like God the Father, but not really, and da-da-da, like really brainy stuff, put on like a silly song that the guy would sing while he's baking bread and stuff,

01:34:38.000 and so he was ridiculously popular because he figured that's how people pick up stuff.

01:34:44.000 It is how people pick up stuff.

01:34:46.000 You know, I mean, to this day, right?

01:34:48.000 Like, pronouns.

01:34:50.000 I think of that song.

01:34:51.000 Pronouns take the place of a noun, because saying all those nouns over and over can really wear you down.

01:34:57.000 Somebody didn't miss too many days at school.

01:34:59.000 Good job.

01:35:00.000 That stuff, for whatever reason, sticks.

01:35:03.000 Of course.

01:35:03.000 I wonder why.

01:35:04.000 Like, making things rhyme.

01:35:06.000 And putting them in song has a particularly profound effect on your memory.

01:35:11.000 Yeah, it is funny because even when you look at babies, you know, they respond to music so much.

01:35:16.000 They have that immediate, like some sounds that click with the developing mind of a baby.

01:35:21.000 You don't need to have culture.

01:35:22.000 You don't need to have knowledge.

01:35:24.000 You don't need to have...

01:35:25.000 As a baby, you can still pick up things and remember them.

01:35:28.000 Yeah.

01:35:28.000 Or sometimes, you know, somebody put some music and one note goes and the babies immediately recognize it.

01:35:35.000 It's like, I know what it is.

01:35:35.000 Right, right.

01:35:56.000 And a whole lot of love by Led Zeppelin started and the baby just lights up.

01:36:00.000 He's so happy.

01:36:01.000 He's like, yes!

01:36:02.000 That's hilarious.

01:36:02.000 That's what we are talking about.

01:36:04.000 It would be amazing if that kid grows up to be like a big rock star.

01:36:07.000 Right.

01:36:08.000 Can you imagine?

01:36:10.000 Yeah.

01:36:10.000 Get him into a whole lot of love when he's a baby.

01:36:14.000 Exactly.

01:36:19.000 That, to me, is like... 0.99

01:36:20.000 I kind of did that a lot with my daughter, because I'm like, I hate to do this to you, but you're my daughter, and I want to listen to good shit. 1.00

01:36:26.000 I don't want to listen to stupid baby stuff all the time. 0.99

01:36:29.000 So it's like, even to this day, like, she goes to bed with Hendrix. 1.00

01:36:32.000 Like, there's Hendrix as a lullaby.

01:36:34.000 Of course, the mellow Hendrix, because the hardcore stuff is for the day.

01:36:37.000 But, like, at night, when she wants to go to sleep, I'll put on, like...

01:36:41.000 The more mellow things, like when Andrew's playing acoustic guitar or Little Wing or something like that.

01:36:47.000 That I can tolerate. 0.99

01:36:48.000 Don't give me any baby shit stuff because I just... 0.99

01:36:51.000 I mean, right now she's not a baby, but even when she was little, I'm like, sorry, I can't do that. 0.99

01:36:55.000 They like it, though.

01:36:56.000 The thing about baby stuff is babies like baby stuff.

01:37:00.000 Or even little kids like little kid stuff. 0.99

01:37:01.000 My kids like a lot of really fucking dumb shows, but they love them. 0.99

01:37:05.000 Right. 1.00

01:37:06.000 It's like, what can you do? 1.00

01:37:07.000 Can you say, no, you can't love that because it's too fucking stupid? 1.00

01:37:10.000 But it's not stupid to them. 1.00

01:37:12.000 I can tolerate it if we balance it with something else. 0.54

01:37:15.000 I'm like, okay, watch it.

01:37:16.000 That's fine.

01:37:16.000 I get it.

01:37:17.000 It's part of your developmental stage.

01:37:19.000 Good for you.

01:37:20.000 But give me something here, okay?

01:37:22.000 Let's find a middle ground here where we can listen to the same music or watch something.

01:37:27.000 And that's where I recognize I may have done irreparable damage to my offspring because I realized, like, the other day we watched a movie and My daughter's comment to basically say, this is the coolest thing ever, was like, it's as good as Conan the Barbarian.

01:37:42.000 And I was like, yes, I'm glad you're my daughter.

01:37:45.000 Was she talking about the books or was she talking about the movie, though?

01:37:48.000 All of it.

01:37:49.000 She loves the, you know, the one Conan that was good.

01:37:52.000 Arnold.

01:37:52.000 Arnold, the original, the 1982. And, of course, I read her old Robert T. Howard stories.

01:37:58.000 Wow.

01:37:59.000 You know, I change the language slightly because sometimes the language is a little like you need to really have a crazy vocabulary for an eight-year-old.

01:38:05.000 You're not going to pick it up.

01:38:06.000 So I kind of tweak it a little, but then, you know, all the good stuff is there.

01:38:10.000 I feel like the best Conan could have been Jason Momoa. 0.99

01:38:15.000 They just gave him a shit movie. 1.00

01:38:17.000 Yeah, the script was... 1.00

01:38:18.000 Like, Mamo is so good.

01:38:19.000 He's very good. 1.00

01:38:21.000 And he looks like a fucking barbarian. 1.00

01:38:23.000 Like, you believe it. 1.00

01:38:24.000 Perfect.

01:38:24.000 Big, giant guy.

01:38:25.000 And he's also not built like a bodybuilder.

01:38:28.000 He's just built like a guy who's in really good shape, which you would think Conan would be.

01:38:32.000 There he is.

01:38:32.000 Right.

01:38:33.000 I think he was the best Conan.

01:38:35.000 He seemed to me to be the most realistic.

01:38:38.000 Maybe could he use a little bit more gym time, but nothing crazy.

01:38:42.000 But the problem here, the scripts.

01:38:43.000 That's something that sometimes frustrates me when you see all the elements are there and the screenwriting sucks.

01:38:49.000 You're just like, come on, man. 1.00

01:38:51.000 Sucks. 1.00

01:38:51.000 Screenwriting is just straight dog shit. 1.00

01:38:54.000 But he was fucking great as Conan. 1.00

01:38:56.000 Like, you believed it. 0.99

01:38:57.000 Yep.

01:38:58.000 He just looked evil enough and it looked like a guy who really was a sword fighter who Really did live in that era whereas Conan Played by Arnold Schwarzenegger.

01:39:10.000 You're like, wait a minute.

01:39:11.000 This guy's got no armpit hair.

01:39:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:39:13.000 He's fucking... 1.00

01:39:14.000 Completely shaved down. 1.00

01:39:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:39:17.000 Built like a brick shit house. 1.00

01:39:18.000 Like, it just... 1.00

01:39:19.000 He was freakishly big.

01:39:20.000 Yeah.

01:39:21.000 That's actually a picture.

01:39:21.000 He looks fairly reasonable there.

01:39:23.000 Right.

01:39:24.000 But he said, you know, now that I think about it, he was actually quite a bit leaner in those days than he was in his bodybuilder day.

01:39:30.000 Yeah.

01:39:31.000 Yeah, that one was just awesome.

01:39:33.000 But he was still...

01:39:33.000 This is definitely the dude who had been doing some bench pressing.

01:39:36.000 It wasn't someone who just swung club bells around and...

01:39:39.000 You mean he didn't get those muscles just by pushing the wheel of pain?

01:39:42.000 That was part of it, too.

01:39:44.000 Right.

01:39:44.000 It was definitely that.

01:39:45.000 A little bit of that, too.

01:39:46.000 Oh, man.

01:39:47.000 On that note, I've been...

01:39:48.000 The last couple of years, I've been playing a lot in that world with screenwriting and stuff.

01:39:53.000 I'm so excited with that.

01:39:55.000 I'm just getting...

01:39:56.000 Because, you know, the thing that I enjoy in History on Fire and stuff like that is storytelling.

01:39:59.000 Mm-hmm.

01:40:00.000 And I realized I end up doing that in whatever field I'm, you know, when I'm teaching, most of it is storytelling.

01:40:06.000 When I'm history on fire, it's storytelling.

01:40:08.000 And so I started playing a little with screenwritings because I had good hookups.

01:40:12.000 Man, I'm having so much fun.

01:40:14.000 What are you writing?

01:40:15.000 Well, there's the stuff that looks There are a few, like they are all mostly historical fiction kind of stories, and one of them right now looks really damn promising, but they have threatened me to chop off my balls and nail them to a tree if I talk about it, so I can't really bring it up because that one actually has a shot at making it.

01:40:34.000 There are other scenes where much more kind of early development, like for example, oh I saw you got outside the Frank Frazetta painting, right?

01:40:44.000 So Sarah, the granddaughter of Frank, wants to develop one of the characters.

01:40:49.000 Is she one of the Frazetta girls?

01:40:51.000 Yeah, she's the one who does it all.

01:40:53.000 Shout out to Sarah. 0.97

01:40:54.000 Yeah, she's awesome. 1.00

01:40:55.000 She's super sweet. 1.00

01:40:57.000 And she started asking, you know, I showed her some of my writing, we were chatting, she liked it, and so she wanted me to develop one of those characters into a create a world around it, like a Game of Thrones meet Conan kind of thing.

01:41:09.000 And I'm like, That's what you're asking me to do?

01:41:11.000 That's like the dream job ever.

01:41:13.000 It's like, hell yeah, I want to play with that.

01:41:15.000 That sounds like fun.

01:41:17.000 It would be epic.

01:41:18.000 I think those movies and those shows, when done correctly, when executed correctly, are some of the most entertaining and compelling things.

01:41:27.000 Whether it's Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings.

01:41:29.000 The Conan ones were just...

01:41:32.000 Arnold did a great job, and those are fun, but they're campy.

01:41:35.000 Yeah.

01:41:35.000 I mean, the first one was good.

01:41:36.000 The other ones were painful.

01:41:38.000 They were really bad.

01:41:39.000 They don't represent Robert E. Howard's work.

01:41:41.000 Robert E. Howard's work has still, to this day, never really totally been captured.

01:41:47.000 I heard that Amazon is going to be doing a Conan series. 0.96

01:41:50.000 They're going to fuck it up! 0.90

01:41:51.000 I'm just kidding. 0.70

01:41:52.000 I don't know.

01:41:52.000 They're not going to fuck it up.

01:41:53.000 I don't know.

01:41:53.000 Maybe they are.

01:41:54.000 If they're doing it, who's going to play Conan?

01:41:55.000 I have no idea.

01:41:56.000 I don't think they picked it yet because they would have announced it.

01:41:59.000 I think they were just saying it's in development.

01:42:01.000 They are going to try to stick to Robert E. Howard stories.

01:42:04.000 So who knows?

01:42:05.000 Let's see.

01:42:06.000 They got the shackles.

01:42:07.000 They could pull out the big money and get Jason Momoa to get back in the hunt.

01:42:11.000 I know.

01:42:12.000 He's the Conan, I think.

01:42:13.000 You meet the guy, he's like 6'3", he's built like a brick shithouse.

01:42:17.000 He looks like he would be a barbarian. 0.95

01:42:19.000 Like, he looks perfect.

01:42:20.000 Like when he played Khal Drogo.

01:42:22.000 Yeah, that was perfect, man. 1.00

01:42:23.000 Shit, he was perfect. 1.00

01:42:24.000 Yeah, you buy it. 1.00

01:42:26.000 You see him playing that role, you're like, oh, I buy that.

01:42:29.000 He's a savage.

01:42:30.000 He would be awesome.

01:42:31.000 If they did that, man, that would be epic.

01:42:33.000 Yeah.

01:42:34.000 They are doing a bunch of stuff.

01:42:36.000 They're doing that.

01:42:36.000 They are doing a prequel to Lord of the Rings on Amazon.

01:42:40.000 Jesus Christ.

01:42:42.000 That Jeff Bezos guy's got a little too much cash.

01:42:44.000 Hey, I'm all for it.

01:42:45.000 Like, do one more.

01:42:47.000 Yeah, do it all.

01:42:49.000 Look, I mean, they have that really good Billy Bob Thornton show, too, that people keep telling me about.

01:42:54.000 I haven't seen it either.

01:42:56.000 What is it called again?

01:42:57.000 That Billy Bob Thornton show on Amazon?

01:43:02.000 Jamie will find it.

01:43:03.000 Sure.

01:43:03.000 I don't know what it's called, but I know that people keep raving about it.

01:43:07.000 Goliath.

01:43:08.000 Goliath.

01:43:08.000 Thank you.

01:43:09.000 A third of it.

01:43:09.000 Yeah.

01:43:09.000 It's supposed to be really good.

01:43:11.000 Yeah.

01:43:12.000 And, you know, the problem with those...

01:43:14.000 Here's what's weird.

01:43:15.000 More than half the households in this country have Amazon.

01:43:19.000 Mm-hmm.

01:43:19.000 I think Amazon Prime, right?

01:43:21.000 It's like 51% of the households.

01:43:23.000 But how many people are actually watching those Amazon videos?

01:43:27.000 That's a good question.

01:43:29.000 I think once they start putting this kind of money on some of these big shows, the odds that that percentage is gonna grow is pretty damn high.

01:43:36.000 Let's find out this.

01:43:37.000 I don't know if Amazon releases their numbers.

01:43:39.000 They don't?

01:43:41.000 Probably not, but...

01:43:42.000 Do they do it the same?

01:43:43.000 Well, you don't know.

01:43:44.000 Google, see if...

01:43:47.000 How many people watch Goliath on Amazon?

01:43:50.000 Maybe we'll find out.

01:43:51.000 Because no one has any idea how many people are watching things on Netflix other than Netflix.

01:43:57.000 And Netflix, they just don't tell anybody nothing.

01:44:01.000 And clearly it must be a good number because they keep producing shows, putting a ton of money in it, so you know that it's working for them.

01:44:08.000 Well, what they do know is how many people have subscribed to Netflix, and that's an insane, huge number. 0.98

01:44:15.000 But the actual number of people that watch everything, they don't tell you shit. 0.95

01:44:18.000 Like, I have a comedy special on Netflix, they don't tell you nothing. 0.90

01:44:22.000 They go, great job, we like it.

01:44:25.000 That's it.

01:44:25.000 You have no idea.

01:44:26.000 Well, you like it?

01:44:27.000 Why?

01:44:27.000 Oh, it's great.

01:44:28.000 People love it.

01:44:29.000 Okay, well, how many people love it?

01:44:30.000 Oh, lots.

01:44:34.000 They don't give you any data.

01:44:36.000 Which, they don't have to.

01:44:38.000 And maybe that's good.

01:44:39.000 Maybe people concentrate too much on the numbers.

01:44:42.000 Someone was saying that the Oscars this year are down by 5 million people.

01:44:49.000 They still got watched by 25 million people!

01:44:52.000 What are we doing here?

01:44:54.000 Who cares?

01:44:54.000 Why is that even a thing?

01:44:56.000 Why are we even concentrating on that?

01:44:57.000 I can't find the viewers, but this is the kind of information they give out.

01:45:01.000 Is the top-binged first season of a US-produced Amazon original series ever over its first 10 days? 0.97

01:45:07.000 I don't mean shit.

01:45:08.000 No other season one had a higher season completion rate through 10 days. 0.93

01:45:15.000 Well, that's interesting.

01:45:16.000 That must mean it's a really good show.

01:45:17.000 So people binged it the first season.

01:45:20.000 Can you get Amazon Prime on Apple TV? Is that a part of Apple TV? Or do you have to get one of those fire sticks?

01:45:32.000 I can watch it through my TV. My TV has a thing.

01:45:34.000 It has a smart TV app on it that I can get through there.

01:45:37.000 And it says it arrives on Apple TV in over 100 countries as of December.

01:45:40.000 Oh.

01:45:41.000 So last December?

01:45:43.000 December of 2017, yes.

01:45:44.000 Okay, so we have it now.

01:45:47.000 But still, Netflix is just so much more popular.

01:45:51.000 It's like Q-tips.

01:45:53.000 Once it becomes the name, like, give me a box of Q-tips.

01:45:57.000 Do you want cotton swabs? 0.99

01:45:58.000 No, motherfucker, I said Q-tips. 1.00

01:46:00.000 You know, it's like, do you want to watch streaming video? 1.00

01:46:03.000 I want to watch Netflix.

01:46:04.000 Right.

01:46:04.000 But we have Amazon streaming video.

01:46:06.000 Bitch, netflix. 1.00

01:46:08.000 Did I stutter? 1.00

01:46:09.000 Yeah, but Netflix only took over that recently, right? 1.00

01:46:11.000 Give me a fucking iPhone! 1.00

01:46:13.000 I don't want your bullshit. 1.00

01:46:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:46:15.000 Fake smartphone nonsense. 1.00

01:46:18.000 iPhone!

01:46:20.000 Yeah, it's pretty recent.

01:46:21.000 Yeah, it was just mail before.

01:46:23.000 Like, they took over Blockbuster first, and then they're like, and now it's all streaming.

01:46:26.000 Yeah.

01:46:26.000 You can still get DVDs, I think, but I don't know how many of you need that.

01:46:29.000 I do, because I'm a nerd.

01:46:31.000 You get DVDs still?

01:46:32.000 Really?

01:46:33.000 Because they don't have the same offerings.

01:46:34.000 There's stuff that they do have on DVD that they don't have on streaming, and vice versa.

01:46:39.000 So, like, for example, what was I watching?

01:46:41.000 There was...

01:46:43.000 I think the last season of Vikings, for example.

01:46:45.000 I think that's what I was trying to watch.

01:46:46.000 Yeah, I watch Vikings.

01:46:47.000 Dude, I've been watching it now.

01:46:48.000 I'm on season two.

01:46:50.000 It's good.

01:46:50.000 That's the good...

01:46:51.000 You know, it kind of...

01:46:52.000 Oh, don't tell me that.

01:46:53.000 Don't tell me it goes downhill. 1.00

01:46:55.000 I'll fucking go crazy. 0.98

01:46:56.000 First two seasons are awesome. 1.00

01:46:57.000 Son of a bitch. 0.99

01:46:57.000 You get Game of Thrones that way, through Netflix, for instance. 0.99

01:47:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:47:02.000 So you can rent the DVDs of Game of Thrones and watch it, but you can watch it through their streaming app.

01:47:08.000 You can only get Game of Thrones DVDs?

01:47:10.000 Yeah, but you're paying an extra $10 a month to rent those.

01:47:14.000 That's what Netflix was when it started.

01:47:16.000 One, two, three DVDs a month.

01:47:18.000 That's weird.

01:47:19.000 So Netflix DVDs has Game of Thrones.

01:47:21.000 Netflix streaming does not.

01:47:23.000 Exactly.

01:47:23.000 They buy everything for any DVD you can get.

01:47:27.000 That's weird.

01:47:28.000 Yeah, they have a lot more on DVDs than they have just streaming.

01:47:31.000 There's a bunch of stuff that I want to watch.

01:47:33.000 Case in point, Game of Thrones, Vikings, some of that stuff is...

01:47:38.000 I used to freak out at not having a physical DVD player in my laptop.

01:47:42.000 Like, this is ridiculous.

01:47:43.000 So I bought one of those ones that plugs in and never used it once.

01:47:47.000 It just sat there.

01:47:48.000 Because by now you're just watching all on streaming all the time.

01:47:50.000 Yeah, or I download them from iTunes and they sit on my laptop.

01:47:55.000 This is all so new, but yet we're so convinced that this is the future.

01:48:03.000 This is it.

01:48:04.000 Netflix, period. 1.00

01:48:05.000 Everybody else, fuck off. 1.00

01:48:07.000 It's locked in. 1.00

01:48:08.000 I think they're doing comedy specials on Amazon as well.

01:48:12.000 I'm pretty sure Amazon Prime did Bob Saget's new special and a few other people.

01:48:19.000 That's one of the cool things, because Amazon is trying to compete with Netflix, so they are trying to come up, so they're going to put an insane amount of money in shows.

01:48:26.000 And it's great for content, because today there's probably more possibilities for people doing stuff than ever before.

01:48:35.000 Before you had only so many studios producing only so many movies, now there's so much more.

01:48:40.000 Brian Cowen's on there, Joey Diaz is on there.

01:48:42.000 Brian's on Netflix, Jim Brewer's on Netflix.

01:48:48.000 Who else?

01:48:49.000 Tom Papa.

01:48:50.000 Tom Segura's old one.

01:48:51.000 Yeah, Eddie Pepitone.

01:48:52.000 Greg Fitzsimmons.

01:48:53.000 Wow, Greg Fitzsimmons.

01:48:54.000 So there's quite a few specials that are available on Amazon.

01:48:59.000 Jim Norton.

01:49:00.000 Very interesting.

01:49:01.000 That might be where the...

01:49:02.000 What was that one that just closed?

01:49:05.000 Yeah, CISO. Yeah, maybe they just have a lot of them on there now.

01:49:08.000 Yeah, I bet that's exactly what it is.

01:49:12.000 Yeah.

01:49:13.000 Yeah.

01:49:13.000 Interesting.

01:49:14.000 It says continue watching or watch from the beginning.

01:49:17.000 That means that Jamie Vernon was watching it.

01:49:22.000 Interesting.

01:49:24.000 Yeah, I hope it works.

01:49:26.000 I mean, I would love to see a bunch of different viable outlets for people to release films and TV shows and stuff like that.

01:49:33.000 God knows Netflix has enough money.

01:49:35.000 I know.

01:49:36.000 And so does Amazon. 1.00

01:49:37.000 They have a ton of fucking money. 0.99

01:49:39.000 So does Apple. 1.00

01:49:40.000 Yeah.

01:49:41.000 Apple's not doing that, though.

01:49:42.000 Are they going to try to do that?

01:49:43.000 Create original stuff?

01:49:44.000 They have stuff.

01:49:44.000 They have that one Jennifer Aniston and Reese Witherspoon show that's coming out soon.

01:49:48.000 Look at me.

01:49:49.000 Look at me.

01:49:50.000 Blah!

01:49:51.000 They had a game show, or not game show, but Planet of the Apps with Gwyneth Paltrow, Will.i.am, Gary Vee was on that.

01:49:57.000 Again, they're trying to get me to throw up.

01:49:58.000 Yeah.

01:49:59.000 Not Gary Vee.

01:49:59.000 I mean, they haven't all necessarily been successful, but they're trying.

01:50:02.000 I'm just kidding about throwing up.

01:50:04.000 If you're a gal and you're into those ladies, just don't listen to me. 1.00

01:50:07.000 I'm just fucking... 1.00

01:50:07.000 Just make it fun. 1.00

01:50:09.000 Yeah, I think it's good.

01:50:10.000 I mean, I would like to see more. 0.78

01:50:12.000 I just think in terms of your ability to sit down and do absolutely fucking nothing and zone out for days, there's never been a better time. 0.81

01:50:19.000 Totally. 0.88

01:50:19.000 There's so much stuff available. 0.88

01:50:21.000 Apple is reportedly investing $1 billion in original video content.

01:50:26.000 Wow.

01:50:27.000 Jesus Christ.

01:50:28.000 Okay, so Apple is added to the mix.

01:50:31.000 And that's Gary Vee with a big old smile on his face.

01:50:33.000 How does that guy sleep?

01:50:34.000 I don't think he does.

01:50:36.000 Where does he have the time?

01:50:38.000 Planes.

01:50:38.000 I'm pretty busy.

01:50:39.000 Yeah, but that's exactly what people ask about you.

01:50:42.000 It's like, how does he manage to do like 72 careers in one and go hunting and work out and do this and that?

01:50:49.000 I don't know.

01:50:50.000 I think human cloning, there are like really three Joe Rogans going around and there are like You have downloaded your consciousness in three different bodies who are doing some of this one of them would fuck up Hardcore if I did that like it's it's hard enough to manage my insanity with one life,

01:51:06.000 right?

01:51:06.000 If I had three lives going on and one of them I'd definitely go off the rails with I Think it's what I'm do is it's more of a it's an illusion that I'm as busy as people think I am It's not as busy.

01:51:19.000 It is busy But It's less busy with work than people think.

01:51:25.000 Because the podcast is sitting here with a friend like you and talking for a few hours.

01:51:30.000 It's pretty easy.

01:51:31.000 That's not really that hard.

01:51:33.000 And then the working out, well, that's just mandatory.

01:51:36.000 You just have to do that.

01:51:37.000 And then there's the stand-up comedy.

01:51:39.000 Well, that's kind of a passion project, and it's interesting.

01:51:41.000 Yeah.

01:51:42.000 And I do it all the right, like I know I have a time down.

01:51:45.000 Like I'll hang out with my family until my kids go to bed, which is usually like, you know, eight-ish.

01:51:49.000 And that's when I leave.

01:51:50.000 Right.

01:51:51.000 And I go to the comedy store.

01:51:52.000 Like I know, I have it pretty much locked in.

01:51:55.000 I get my podcast done before the kids get home from school.

01:51:58.000 So I'm hanging out with them.

01:52:00.000 Right.

01:52:00.000 I know how to do it.

01:52:02.000 I'm working out while they're at school for the most part.

01:52:05.000 That's pretty impressive, though, because realistically, you do have so much stuff on your plate, and the way you make it flow, that's something in terms of time management.

01:52:15.000 I think there will be people willing to take courses from you on how to put it all together, because that's a skill right there.

01:52:21.000 You have to be...

01:52:23.000 Really steadfast in what you want to do and what you don't want to do.

01:52:26.000 And when you don't want to do something, just don't do it.

01:52:29.000 But I wasn't able to do this until I really started working for myself.

01:52:32.000 Like, working for myself and the ability to...

01:52:35.000 Like, if you have a bunch of different jobs, but you're beholden to other people's schedules, it's almost unmanageable. 0.98

01:52:41.000 Yeah, it sucks.

01:52:41.000 Then you can't do it.

01:52:43.000 But that's one of the things I'm trying to do.

01:52:45.000 As much as I enjoy being in the classroom, I'm trying to be in the classroom less and less and just do more online and do more podcasts and more...

01:52:52.000 Because I'm tired of being in somebody else's schedule.

01:52:55.000 No, I imagine.

01:52:56.000 I don't feel like driving.

01:52:57.000 It's like, I don't mind if you put me in the classroom, that's great. 0.99

01:52:59.000 But if I have to drive an hour and a half to get there and then be stuck in traffic, it's like, fuck this. 0.99

01:53:04.000 This is just not fun.

01:53:05.000 Do you feel like there's opportunities, like real viable opportunities for people now to get an education online?

01:53:11.000 I got legitimate full education.

01:53:13.000 It's definitely emerging.

01:53:14.000 I mean, I think it's...

01:53:15.000 Part of the problem is that universities kind of have a monopoly on the diplomas, which is something that people sometimes need for their job.

01:53:23.000 It's not that they choose, oh, I want to be educated.

01:53:25.000 There are ways to do it.

01:53:36.000 Yeah, Thaddeus has got something called...

01:53:41.000 I told him to change the name.

01:53:43.000 He's calling it Renegade University.

01:53:44.000 I'm like, stop!

01:53:45.000 Stop. 1.00

01:53:46.000 People are going to think you're a douchebag. 1.00

01:53:49.000 I'm probably going to do a thing because he asked me to do this about the history of martial arts. 0.96

01:53:54.000 And I'm like, oh man, I've done...

01:53:56.000 Actually, that's a course I've actually done at UCLA and it was so much fun.

01:53:59.000 You taught it at UCLA? Oh, no kidding.

01:54:01.000 Check this out.

01:54:02.000 This was hilarious.

01:54:03.000 I only had an MA and at UCLA, you need a PhD to teach.

01:54:06.000 Okay.

01:54:06.000 And I was a white guy going into an Asian American Studies department going, you know, yeah, in case you haven't noticed, I'm not Asian American and I do only have an MA and I've never taken a course in Asian American Studies, but I would love to teach for you.

01:54:22.000 And here is why.

01:54:23.000 And by the time I was done with the pitch about history and philosophy of martial arts, they were like, yeah, you're hired.

01:54:28.000 Let's go do it.

01:54:29.000 Oh, wow.

01:54:30.000 I was like, okay.

01:54:30.000 Now, why would they want you to be Asian because you're teaching about an Asian subject?

01:54:35.000 I mean, they don't want you to.

01:54:37.000 It kind of works that way because of the way most of the people who's taking a bunch of classes in ethnic studies, usually people who are from that particular ethnic group.

01:54:46.000 In fact, I'm kind of...

01:54:48.000 People always look at me like, huh?

01:54:50.000 What's going on here?

01:54:51.000 Because I do teach in an American Indian Studies department.

01:54:54.000 I have taught in an Asian American Studies department.

01:54:56.000 But when you look at everybody else, usually they are people who are from that particular ethnic group who are passionate enough to dig in that much to be...

01:55:06.000 Is that an issue?

01:55:07.000 Is there like pushback if you're not?

01:55:09.000 I mean, it's kind of, to be fair, people have been really cool about it because, I mean, I've even had the situation where I taught as part of an ethnic studies class where there were like four people, right?

01:55:20.000 And there's the...

01:55:20.000 African-American studies guy is an African-American guy, and the Chicano-Latino is Chicano-Latino.

01:55:25.000 And that was the odd one out, right? 0.98

01:55:28.000 I was teaching the American Indian Studies section, and they're like, huh, you just replaced my friend, the native lady, who the fuck are you, white guy, kind of thing. 0.96

01:55:37.000 But, you know, the thing was, they want to check you, and then once I did my thing, the first few lessons, they were like, no. 0.98

01:55:43.000 He's cool.

01:55:44.000 We like him.

01:55:45.000 It's all good. 0.97

01:55:45.000 And then there was no bullshit. 0.97

01:55:47.000 I would have expected to run into a lot more pushback, but it really wasn't. 0.90

01:55:51.000 One thing in your favor about when it comes to martial arts, although it is mostly Asian in origin, it varies so widely.

01:55:58.000 There's Chinese martial arts, Japanese, Korean.

01:56:01.000 I mean, it goes on and on.

01:56:02.000 Thai.

01:56:03.000 There's so many different styles.

01:56:06.000 And then, of course, South America, once Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu got into the mix.

01:56:10.000 I mean, they, in my opinion, have revolutionized martial arts more than any other group.

01:56:16.000 I think that one part of the country, in South America and Brazil, they had more of an impact on martial arts, I think, than anyone, because they essentially started, I mean...

01:56:26.000 They started the Ultimate Fighting Championships just to see if their martial art was superior.

01:56:31.000 And they proved it to be so, at least on its own, by itself.

01:56:35.000 At first, you know, before anybody knew about it.

01:56:38.000 I think that stuff was, there's that whole period from When Japanese martial arts were kind of crashing because nobody was dressing as a samurai anymore, you know, doing that stuff didn't make sense anymore, and Jiu Jitsu was seen kind of as low-class activity for gangsters,

01:56:54.000 and, you know, there was less and less popularity for that field.

01:56:57.000 And then when Jigoro Kano, the creator of Judo started, he was this nerdish upper-class guy, but he was very passionate about Judo, so he transformed the Jiu Jitsu curriculum into Judo.

01:57:08.000 Gave it a whole new spin.

01:57:10.000 He's like, no, it's not this thing to beat people up like all the thugs you've seen so far.

01:57:14.000 We're using judo as a form of education.

01:57:17.000 I didn't know that.

01:57:18.000 Yeah, it's a super cool story.

01:57:19.000 And then he starts sending people all over the world to spread it.

01:57:22.000 And so they go to Russia and then mix with Russian thing and they create sambal. 0.95

01:57:26.000 And then come out here and then with Brazilian jiu-jitsu when Maeda goes down to Brazil and all of that.

01:57:32.000 So he's like...

01:57:32.000 That whole story, how it spins, is awesome.

01:57:35.000 And then you end up with the joy of globalization, where, like, when you see, like, Hoyce going to fight against Sakuraba, and you have, you know, Brazilian dude trained in what originally was an Asian martial arts, transformed into this Brazilian thing, wearing a gi, going against Saku,

01:57:52.000 was more of a catch wrestler who had studied more through Western wrestling a whole lot.

01:57:56.000 It was hilarious.

01:57:57.000 It's like, you have the Japanese guy who has a more Western wrestling background than...

01:58:01.000 It's funny.

01:58:02.000 That is crazy.

01:58:03.000 The Japanese, especially Sakuraba, were way influenced by catch wrestling, which is American folk-style wrestling.

01:58:12.000 Now, I didn't know that jiu-jitsu was used by thugs.

01:58:17.000 Yeah, that was the...

01:58:19.000 In Japan.

01:58:43.000 And then Kano, because he was this kind of sickly child, they put him into training jiu-jitsu to kind of build him up, give him some strength.

01:58:51.000 And he was a complete nerd, but he loved jiu-jitsu.

01:58:54.000 And so he's like, no, no, no, don't put it down.

01:58:56.000 It's a great art for other reasons.

01:58:58.000 And he had this whole way of...

01:59:01.000 Spinning it around to say, that was the old stuff.

01:59:04.000 Yeah, to beat people up.

01:59:06.000 What we do today is a form of education, is a relationship with your body.

01:59:10.000 And he basically invented a new function for it. 0.96

01:59:13.000 So the Japanese society went, oh, shit, we can still do that stuff. 0.87

01:59:16.000 And now there's a better reason for it that's fitting the times, that's not... 0.98

01:59:20.000 The same reason why we would train in the 1700s.

01:59:24.000 These actually fit the context of our time.

01:59:26.000 Okay, let's do judo and then...

01:59:28.000 Do they have texts where you can see the techniques or where you can see what similarities?

01:59:34.000 Yeah, there are both ancient jiu-jitsu manuals where there are the drawings and stuff like that.

01:59:39.000 And then by the time Kano comes around, they even start having footage after a while.

01:59:43.000 Right.

01:59:44.000 Footage of actual films of utilization?

01:59:47.000 Yeah.

01:59:47.000 Or drills?

01:59:48.000 They look goofy as hell because they are sped up and they move funny and stuff.

01:59:51.000 But yeah, there's great stuff. 0.92

01:59:52.000 And some of these guys are just badasses from day one. 0.89

01:59:55.000 I mean, some of the old judo guys, they got the reputation for just being killers, you know? 0.95

01:59:59.000 Yeah, well for sure Judo.

02:00:01.000 I wonder how much Jiu Jitsu has changed since then to now because obviously in putting so much emphasis on the ground the Brazilians really refined all the submission techniques to a razor sharp edge and really changed a lot of the original setups and the way people enter into submissions.

02:00:18.000 I would love to see what it used to look like.

02:00:20.000 Even that's funny because if you look at like some old Judo like Kosen Judo where they have this very ground oriented, those guys do leg locks.

02:00:28.000 It's like you see these Japanese guys from the 1920s leg-locking each other, and you're like, oh my god! 0.98

02:00:34.000 So the stuff that today is hot, some of these guys were doing, and it probably wasn't as refined, but it was like, man, they were doing it.

02:00:41.000 Well, catch wrestling.

02:00:42.000 Catch wrestling was all about leg locks.

02:00:44.000 They were leg-locking when, you know, Americans were really into Brazilian jiu-jitsu and stuff.

02:00:50.000 Is this, what do you got here, Jamie?

02:00:53.000 1600 AD? The history of Jiu Jitsu or Yawara.

02:00:58.000 Huh.

02:01:00.000 Wow.

02:01:01.000 They dressed up in like Aikido kimonos with the big flowing pants.

02:01:07.000 And the guy's like doing some weird sort of wrist lock.

02:01:10.000 Stop scrolling.

02:01:11.000 Go right up there.

02:01:12.000 Was it?

02:01:12.000 Yeah, it looks like...

02:01:13.000 Yeah, his wrist locking and getting the elbow.

02:01:15.000 Yeah.

02:01:17.000 Interesting.

02:01:18.000 And then the other one, it looks like he's got...

02:01:20.000 Looks like he's setting up a full Nelson.

02:01:22.000 Yeah, he has a half Nelson on one side.

02:01:24.000 And he's got an underhook on the other side.

02:01:26.000 Yeah. 0.86

02:01:27.000 Probably going to spin around and slam him right on his face. 0.99

02:01:30.000 Yeah. 0.94

02:01:31.000 Crazy that they have...

02:01:34.000 You get to look at it in these images.

02:01:36.000 They were just trying to figure out...

02:01:38.000 Like, what's the best way to manipulate the body?

02:01:40.000 It's just amazing to me how much of it came from Japan.

02:01:44.000 I mean, Japan, so many interesting techniques, and that one area was so vital and so important when it came to the development of martial arts.

02:01:57.000 Japan is that weird.

02:01:58.000 Like, the story between China and Japan is very similar to ancient Greece and ancient Rome.

02:02:03.000 A lot of the developments came from Greece.

02:02:06.000 A lot of the developments came from China.

02:02:08.000 But then both the Roman and the Japanese took those ideas and then ran with it and systematized them, gave them a lot more of a structure, made them way easier to learn and to teach, and then popularized them as a result.

02:02:21.000 And it was like, yep, now this stuff works.

02:02:23.000 It's a lot easier to own.

02:02:24.000 Interesting, too, that they brought it to other countries.

02:02:26.000 Mm-hmm.

02:02:27.000 Yeah, that was part of Kano's vision, because Kano was not a nationalist. 1.00

02:02:31.000 He did not have this Japan, fuck you, everybody else. 1.00

02:02:34.000 He had this idea of, like, this universal brotherhood of mankind, so we need to bring our stuff so that everybody can benefit from it. 0.99

02:02:42.000 And so he sent, yeah, he sent people all over the world.

02:02:45.000 That's amazing. 0.99

02:02:46.000 I did a three-part series in History on Fire about Theodore Roosevelt because he was just such a crazy motherfucker, right? 0.99

02:02:53.000 He's like the one American president that's the wildest dude out there. 0.98

02:02:57.000 And he, in like 1905, somewhere right around there, he had a guy sent by Kano that taught judo to the United States president.

02:03:08.000 And so Roosevelt was one of the very first Americans ever to learn some judo.

02:03:14.000 He was such an important president, man.

02:03:16.000 If it wasn't for him, we wouldn't have the national public lands we have today.

02:03:18.000 Yep.

02:03:18.000 He was awesome.

02:03:19.000 He's the...

02:03:20.000 You know, I generally speaking, when you talk about U.S. president, it's like different degrees of what I don't like. 0.84

02:03:26.000 It's like, okay, I hate this guy.

02:03:27.000 I mildly hate this guy. 0.99

02:03:28.000 I really hate this guy. 0.97

02:03:30.000 Theodore Roosevelt was one of those dudes who I... I mean, there's some stuff that he didn't say that you're like, oh, shit, okay, that wasn't so good, but so much of it is awesome. 0.99

02:03:40.000 What did he say that you don't like?

02:03:41.000 Well, I mean...

02:03:44.000 You got to give him a pass for when he lived, but of course, his idea about race compared to what we would consider cool today, he had some pretty heavy race.

02:03:54.000 He started a lot more races than he ended, so I also give him credit for that, for being very adaptable and cool in that regard.

02:04:01.000 But clearly, some of his writings was pretty freaky.

02:04:04.000 And also, he's one of the guys who just never saw a war he didn't like.

02:04:08.000 He's like...

02:04:09.000 Yes!

02:04:10.000 Well, he was an adventurer, right?

02:04:11.000 Yeah.

02:04:12.000 The art of jiu-jitsu is worth more in every way than all of our athletics combined.

02:04:17.000 President Theodore Roosevelt, 1905. I agree!

02:04:21.000 Yep.

02:04:21.000 I agree.

02:04:22.000 Me and Teddy Roosevelt.

02:04:25.000 Same page.

02:04:26.000 Good old, you even seem like he lost sight in one eye while he was president because of sparring too hard.

02:04:32.000 Really?

02:04:33.000 He hit way too hard because he boxed all the time, right?

02:04:36.000 So he lost his vision?

02:04:37.000 Yep, he lost vision in one eye.

02:04:39.000 Somebody thumbed the president.

02:04:40.000 Probably. 1.00

02:04:41.000 Turn one in there, you motherfucker. 1.00

02:04:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:04:45.000 Wow. 1.00

02:04:45.000 That's a gangster-ass president. 1.00

02:04:47.000 He did a lot of big game hunting, too, man. 0.99

02:04:49.000 That guy went all over the world.

02:04:50.000 Yep, he did.

02:04:51.000 A wild guy, really, when you think about it.

02:04:53.000 My favorite Roosevelt story, speaking of badass, is in 1912, he's running for president again as a third-party candidate, which was cool in itself, right?

02:05:02.000 Because he was challenging both the Republican and Democrats.

02:05:15.000 Yeah.

02:05:27.000 But still, you just took a bullet to the chest.

02:05:29.000 You're bleeding and stuff.

02:05:31.000 And so everybody's like, oh my God, we need to take him to the hospital.

02:05:34.000 And Roosevelt coughed in his hand.

02:05:36.000 He sees that there's no blood coming out.

02:05:37.000 So he said, okay, my lungs are intact.

02:05:39.000 They haven't been pierced.

02:05:40.000 So what are you talking about, hospital?

02:05:41.000 I got a speech to give.

02:05:43.000 So he shows up with his shirt covered in blood, and he goes like, yeah, ladies and gentlemen, I don't know if you know I have been shot, but it takes more than this to kill a bull moose.

02:05:55.000 Wow.

02:05:55.000 And then deliver a 90-minute speech before some of his attendants finally are like, can we now go to the hospital, please?

02:06:02.000 And they're like, okay, sure, now we can go.

02:06:04.000 What was the hospital back then?

02:06:05.000 You're probably better off not going.

02:06:06.000 I know, exactly. 0.99

02:06:07.000 What the fuck did they do? 1.00

02:06:09.000 They rubbed a dead chicken on your hole. 1.00

02:06:11.000 Probably.

02:06:11.000 What could they possibly do to fix that back then?

02:06:14.000 Yeah.

02:06:15.000 Wow.

02:06:16.000 Yeah, I mean, hard times, right?

02:06:18.000 Hard times create hard men. 0.99

02:06:20.000 Soft times create a lot of the weak bitches we're seeing. 1.00

02:06:24.000 Flopping around in our streets today. 0.99

02:06:26.000 And that's exactly one of the things that Roosevelt hammers on over and over.

02:06:30.000 He had this whole idea of the Streno's life, the idea that, you know, he came from an upper-class, super elitist background, and he realized, and a lot of people back then were thinking, you know, our kids are growing up to be a bunch of wimps because they are too pampered.

02:06:43.000 And so his solution, since he was a teenager, was boxing, wrestling, hunting, just these very tough, manly things.

02:06:52.000 And so that's what he thrived on.

02:06:54.000 This whole idea of like, yeah, you need to...

02:06:57.000 He had a great quote about you have to keep your barbaric instincts in order to go along with civilization.

02:07:01.000 And I was like, that's perfect.

02:07:03.000 You know, that's like the best of both worlds.

02:07:05.000 And yeah, that guy's...

02:07:06.000 I had a blast.

02:07:08.000 I mean, I knew about him, but once you get to do a series, you really need to know your stuff in and out.

02:07:13.000 So it was so fun to study his life because...

02:07:16.000 Well, to stand out like that in the times that he did in the early 1900s, I mean, really, really pretty significant.

02:07:23.000 That's actually one of the things that I dig about, that I do a little different from the way Dan approaches hardcore history.

02:07:31.000 Dan tend to look at things from the big picture.

02:07:34.000 You know, he's telling you big picture stories.

02:07:36.000 And I love that.

02:07:37.000 But I also like jumping into...

02:07:40.000 I like biographies.

02:07:41.000 I like sometimes telling the story of this one guy and what it really meant to be this individual in this story.

02:07:48.000 And so I did, you know, I did Ted Roosevelt.

02:07:49.000 I did one on Crazy Horse.

02:07:51.000 I did one on Caravaggio, the painter we're talking about before.

02:07:54.000 I gotta catch up.

02:07:55.000 I gotta catch up on some new stuff.

02:07:56.000 One that you'll dig.

02:07:58.000 I did Jack Johnson, you know, the first black heavyweight champion.

02:08:02.000 That one.

02:08:03.000 Jack Johnson is so fun.

02:08:04.000 You know what my favorite Jack Johnson story is?

02:08:06.000 He got pulled over speeding.

02:08:07.000 Yes!

02:08:07.000 Of course!

02:08:08.000 Tell it!

02:08:09.000 Tell the story.

02:08:10.000 Tell it.

02:08:10.000 You know what's funny?

02:08:11.000 That's exactly...

02:08:12.000 I was telling Doug Carlin, oh, I'm going to do Jack Johnson.

02:08:15.000 And he said, word by word, what you said.

02:08:17.000 He said, you know what's my favorite Jack Johnson story?

02:08:20.000 I wonder if that was...

02:08:21.000 Well, tell the story so people know.

02:08:23.000 So what happened was he got pulled over in some southern state.

02:08:26.000 I believe it was Georgia at the time when, you know, being...

02:08:29.000 I think it was Texas.

02:08:30.000 Might have been Georgia.

02:08:32.000 Not many people had cars, and Jack Johnson was one of the guys who loved his fast cars, and he was speeding, so they pulled him over, and the cop is like, hey, boy, this is going to cost you.

02:08:42.000 You owe me $50.

02:08:44.000 And back then, you could pay your ticket on the spot in cash.

02:08:47.000 And Jack Johnson pulled his cash out, started, it is $100, and the cop is like, I don't have change for that kind of money.

02:08:53.000 And he's like, no, no, no, no.

02:08:54.000 Two hours from now I'm going to be driving back the same way and I'm going to be doing the same speed.

02:08:59.000 So I'm just paying you a hand.

02:09:03.000 I hope that was true.

02:09:04.000 I refuse to listen to anybody that tells me any different. 1.00

02:09:07.000 Fuck that story about the Victorian table legs. 1.00

02:09:11.000 I'll give you that one. 1.00

02:09:12.000 I'll let you take that one.

02:09:13.000 But I want to keep that Jack Johnson story.

02:09:15.000 Well, there are too many that he did in public that fit that persona to think.

02:09:19.000 It fits.

02:09:21.000 It's how it was. 0.96

02:09:22.000 He was a dude in 1905, 1906, around that time, was making a living as a black guy beating up white guys in the ring and sleeping with white women. 0.96

02:09:30.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:09:31.000 Whew! 0.99

02:09:32.000 And he figured it out.

02:09:33.000 He did it.

02:09:34.000 And he didn't get lynched, amazingly enough.

02:09:37.000 Amazing.

02:09:37.000 Yeah.

02:09:38.000 I mean, how did they keep that from happening?

02:09:40.000 How'd they keep that guy alive?

02:09:41.000 I mean, with the racism that existed back then?

02:09:43.000 I mean, you're talking about just a few decades after slavery.

02:09:48.000 Yep.

02:09:48.000 His parents were born in slavery.

02:09:51.000 He was the first generation of somebody who was not born in his family.

02:09:55.000 And, you know, they say that at times he did sleep with a gun under his pillow.

02:09:59.000 At times?

02:10:00.000 Yeah.

02:10:01.000 Well, you're amazing. 0.99

02:10:01.000 You didn't do it every fucking time. 0.99

02:10:04.000 How the fuck could you? 1.00

02:10:05.000 I mean, how could you even sleep back? 0.99

02:10:07.000 Imagine being a black guy at the turn of the century back then who was just in the kind of racism that I don't even think we can comprehend today.

02:10:17.000 It's something, guys.

02:10:18.000 I mean, think about the civil rights movement and all the, you know, the hosing of the protesters and stuff like that.

02:10:23.000 That was 60 years later.

02:10:26.000 That's the mellow stuff.

02:10:27.000 Yeah, everybody had chilled out by then.

02:10:29.000 There was...

02:10:29.000 Theodore Roosevelt had Booker T. Washington for dinner at the White House, and it was the first time ever that a black guy was officially invited for dinner at a White House, right?

02:10:39.000 After he had the dinner, there was such a backlash, like some senators from the South started flipping out, and I forget the exact quote, but one of the guys at one point said, you know, after the president did this thing, we are going to now have to lynch a thousand niggers in our state to put them back in their place. 1.00

02:10:57.000 And they're like, I'm sorry, try that again?

02:10:59.000 That's the U.S. senator from...

02:11:02.000 And he was pretty accepted.

02:11:04.000 That was just a...

02:11:07.000 The LA Times about Jack Johnson said, you know, why didn't Jim Jeffries kill him?

02:11:12.000 That brutal beast that, you know, the stuff that you read, the quotes are like, come on, somebody must have made it up because they couldn't be that racist.

02:11:21.000 That was in the LA Times.

02:11:22.000 God.

02:11:24.000 What year was that?

02:11:25.000 Johnson won the title, I believe, in 1908, I want to say.

02:11:29.000 But even in the previous years, he was making a reputation for being this badass fighter. 0.96

02:11:35.000 It's just amazing that 110 years ago, we were that fucked up. 0.97

02:11:38.000 That's so recent. 0.95

02:11:40.000 Well, when he had the fight with Jim Jeffries, who was the old undefeated white champion, you know, because when he won the title, and then he started throwing a bunch of white guys at him, that he crashed as the great white hope. 0.69

02:11:52.000 Right.

02:11:52.000 Then eventually the writer, Jack London, started this campaign to bring Jim Jeffries, the undefeated white champion, back from retirement to redeem the white race.

02:12:02.000 And Jim Jeffries was a beast, right?

02:12:05.000 He was a hulk of a man, strong, and knocked out all of his opponents, but he had been retired for a while.

02:12:10.000 And so he comes back.

02:12:11.000 They have this fight in Reno, Nevada on July 4th, 1910. By the time the fight is over and Jack Johnson crushes him and wins the title, you know, defends his title easy.

02:12:22.000 There are riots in 25 states in 50 different cities, and by the time the riots are done, like, dozens of people are dead.

02:12:30.000 Jesus Christ.

02:12:32.000 Because Jack Johnson had beaten Jim Jefferies.

02:12:34.000 And were they listening to it over the radio at the time?

02:12:36.000 There wasn't even really, like, they had, like, telegraph news sent to the newspaper, and there would be a guy in this public square screaming, Johnson just landed a left hook!

02:12:46.000 And...

02:12:47.000 That's how they did it.

02:12:48.000 Wow!

02:12:49.000 That's crazy!

02:12:51.000 In San Francisco, they had two boxers reenact the news sent by telegraphs of what was going on.

02:12:59.000 Everybody just walked around back then.

02:13:01.000 I mean, look at these people just wandering through the streets.

02:13:04.000 Even when there was a fight going on, there's no announcers, so there's no commentary.

02:13:11.000 You just sit down and watch.

02:13:14.000 There's no TV. This is Jeffrey's training.

02:13:17.000 This is clearly Jeffrey's training camp.

02:13:21.000 There it goes.

02:13:23.000 And back then, you could clinch a lot in boxing, which was kind of Jack Johnson's full style.

02:13:28.000 He would get, like, double bicep control, usually.

02:13:31.000 He would keep you there so you can't hit him, and then once in a while, he would break free, throw an uppercut, and go back to clinching. 0.98

02:13:37.000 Dude, he was fucking jacked for the time. 0.99

02:13:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:13:41.000 When you think about this time, like, people back then... 0.99

02:13:44.000 You know, there was no fucking supplements. 0.99

02:13:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:13:47.000 They barely knew how to work out. 0.99

02:13:49.000 Exactly.

02:13:49.000 You know, even when he's punching, like, his technique is very different.

02:13:53.000 Yeah.

02:13:54.000 And also, they had to be really concerned about breaking their hands, because they were fighting with these little tiny-ass gloves.

02:14:01.000 They're basically like MMA gloves with thumbs.

02:14:04.000 And some of these fights, like, they were scheduled for insane things.

02:14:07.000 Like, I believe this one was scheduled for 45 rounds.

02:14:11.000 How many rounds did it go?

02:14:13.000 I think 15. Fought at 2 p.m.

02:14:18.000 in July in Nevada under 110 degree weather.

02:14:22.000 It's like, who does that, you know? 0.99

02:14:25.000 110 degree weather in fucking Reno? 0.99

02:14:28.000 Yep. 1.00

02:14:28.000 Ugh. 1.00

02:14:30.000 Crazy.

02:14:31.000 Everyone in the crowd is wearing the same hat. 0.56

02:14:33.000 That's a good point, Jamie. 1.00

02:14:34.000 Look, they all wore those goofy-ass fucking hats. 1.00

02:14:37.000 Yep. 1.00

02:14:37.000 Like, why did everybody like, I want to look sexy. 1.00

02:14:40.000 I want to wear a nice hat.

02:14:42.000 While I watch the white race succeed! 1.00

02:14:44.000 Like, how many black people are in the audience? 0.96

02:14:46.000 Not many. 0.89

02:14:47.000 You can count on that.

02:14:49.000 They say that the band, before Jack Johnson came onto the ring, shortly before they announced him and he came on, the band was playing this popular song of the time called All Coons Look Alike to Me. 0.99

02:15:03.000 Wow!

02:15:04.000 That's right before he comes on.

02:15:06.000 So this is like one of those things where people are hoping that the bad guy loses.

02:15:11.000 So they're there, millions of people are paying attention because they want Jack Johnson to lose.

02:15:16.000 It's not that they are hoping a good fight takes place and let's see who wins.

02:15:22.000 They wanted to get this guy off the throne.

02:15:25.000 This wasn't even about boxing.

02:15:26.000 This was about race.

02:15:28.000 Yeah.

02:15:29.000 Really kind of amazing that it went as long as it did.

02:15:32.000 And here they are, they're in the 13th round.

02:15:34.000 You ought to be a different kind of human to fight with those little gloves for as many rounds as these people fought.

02:15:40.000 No, those guys were...

02:15:42.000 Fascinating stuff.

02:15:43.000 Who else have you covered on your podcast?

02:15:47.000 Biographies?

02:15:48.000 Let me think.

02:15:48.000 That you really like, it changed the way you feel about them.

02:15:51.000 Jack Johnson was awesome.

02:15:52.000 I had so much fun studying that.

02:15:54.000 You know, all the biographies done are some of my favorites.

02:15:56.000 Did you see Unforgivable Blackness? 1.00

02:15:58.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:15:59.000 That was the first thing.

02:16:00.000 When I started the research, that was where I started.

02:16:02.000 I started watching the Ken Burns documentary, which was great.

02:16:05.000 And that kind of gave me the basics of the story.

02:16:08.000 And I'm like, okay, I see where all of it is going.

02:16:10.000 Now go back, do the tedious stuff of read every damn book about him and plug in all the information and stuff.

02:16:16.000 But yeah, the documentary is great. 0.74

02:16:17.000 I love that one.

02:16:19.000 So who else have you done that really stood out for you?

02:16:22.000 So the big ones have been Crazy Horse, Caravaggio, Theodore Roosevelt, Jack Johnson.

02:16:27.000 Those are the biographies I've done.

02:16:29.000 Crazy Horse is a fascinating one.

02:16:30.000 Are they still doing that crazy South Dakota sculpture of him?

02:16:33.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't know how quickly.

02:16:36.000 They've been doing it forever.

02:16:36.000 Yeah, because the guy who started the project is long dead.

02:16:40.000 Right.

02:16:40.000 And they depend on private money, so they are not really moving at any kind of speed.

02:16:45.000 Well, it's also, isn't it kind of fucked because there was no pictures of Crazy Horse? 0.96

02:16:48.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:16:48.000 We literally have no idea what he looked like. 0.96

02:16:50.000 Nope.

02:16:51.000 None whatsoever.

02:16:52.000 If you're doing this, you're just essentially guessing.

02:16:54.000 I mean, they could use your face.

02:16:56.000 Completely, yeah.

02:16:56.000 I think they should use my face.

02:16:58.000 Why not?

02:16:59.000 Why not?

02:17:01.000 But yeah, that's a badass story right there.

02:17:03.000 Because that was a guy, he's almost like watching a Marvel thing about Wolverine.

02:17:08.000 He has this superpower.

02:17:09.000 The guy was a beast in warfare, but everyone he loved around him died.

02:17:13.000 And so you have this kind of tragic figure of the guy who is a beast, but for all his powers, he can't protect the ones he loves.

02:17:21.000 Well, he fought naked and cut little pieces of his body off, like he cut chunks of flesh off all over his body.

02:17:29.000 Like his entire body was like a mosaic of scars.

02:17:32.000 There was, yeah, there was even before, like a couple of weeks before the Battle of the Little Big Horn, which is the famous battle with Caster and all of that.

02:17:41.000 There was a sitting bull, one of the other main Lakota leaders participated in his Sundance and one of the things they did was kind of cut like 50 flesh offering on his arm where you kind of cut this like pin-sized needle of your flesh but still and the whole point is to go into this trance partially from the pain,

02:17:58.000 partially from dehydration, partially prayer and all of it And the story is that Sitting Bull then had this vision that they were going to be attacked, the troops were going to reach their camp, but they were going to get crushed.

02:18:11.000 And so the vision was...

02:18:13.000 They even had a battle shortly thereafter and Sitting Bull was like, yeah, this wasn't it.

02:18:16.000 This wasn't close to our camp.

02:18:18.000 The vision is they are attacking our camp.

02:18:20.000 And that's when supposedly the whole Little Begorn thing...

02:18:23.000 That's why they were feeling kind of like, we can handle it.

02:18:26.000 We're good with this.

02:18:27.000 Don't you wish you knew if that was true?

02:18:28.000 The whole, you know...

02:18:29.000 The vision?

02:18:30.000 Yeah, there's...

02:18:32.000 The thing about that kind of a culture where the stories that they say, like a lot of the time, in order to get a reputation for being the guy who can say, hey, I had a vision and people actually believe you, you need to have proven something along the way.

02:18:46.000 You need to have...

02:18:48.000 Because, I mean, anybody can say, I had a vision, and he's like, yeah, that's great.

02:18:51.000 Show us.

02:18:52.000 Can you now heal that dude?

02:18:54.000 Yes or no? 1.00

02:18:54.000 If you can't, shut up. 1.00

02:18:55.000 You're just hallucinating. 0.99

02:18:56.000 Well, can you say, I have a vision, and then it comes true exactly as you said?

02:19:00.000 Well, in that case, people are like, okay, now we're paying attention.

02:19:03.000 Next time you have a vision, please tell us.

02:19:04.000 But if you say, I had a vision that this happened and nothing happened, everybody's like, shut up.

02:19:09.000 I just wish we knew that him going into a state of mind where he was almost dying.

02:19:16.000 Right. 0.96

02:19:18.000 What was that, A Man Called Horse, that movie where they do that thing where they put the barbs through your nipples and hang you from the ceiling? 0.83

02:19:25.000 That's the Sundance.

02:19:26.000 I've been actually to, because that was illegal for a really long time, right?

02:19:30.000 Then they brought it back in the opening in the 1970s.

02:19:34.000 And I've been to, I think, seven sun dances where they do that. 0.93

02:19:38.000 You've watched people get suspended by their nipples?

02:19:40.000 They usually don't get suspended, and it's not nipples, it's just the chest muscle.

02:19:46.000 Well, they don't go under the muscle, it's just skin, but they go up on top.

02:19:50.000 So they usually don't get suspended, but they dance attached with their rope to the tree, and then when they want to break loose...

02:19:57.000 They just rip right through and you know you got like this quarter sized scar out of it and which you know when you think about the whole idea of sacrifice is something that they do in all religions pretty much to different degrees you know back in the day animal sacrifice was huge that was one of the things and you know these guys have it as You shed blood,

02:20:22.000 because that's your energy, that's the one thing, and that will give strength to your prayers and all of that stuff. 0.98

02:20:28.000 But, yeah, first time I ever saw it, I was like, holy shit, this is intense. 0.77

02:20:33.000 Don't you think there's probably also something to that where they're trying to put people through something to make them stronger? 0.98

02:20:39.000 Mm-hmm.

02:20:40.000 There definitely is that aspect that is like, yeah, this is not something that somebody does willy-nilly.

02:20:45.000 Like, oh, I'm going to Sundance tomorrow.

02:20:47.000 It's like, no, you don't mess around.

02:20:49.000 No, that this ritual, in fact, is probably to strengthen their resolve and make them better warriors just by having experienced such a horrific ritual. 1.00

02:20:58.000 Ritual practice of ripping meat off your tits. 1.00

02:21:03.000 The one story that they said about... 1.00

02:21:05.000 Is that legit?

02:21:06.000 That looks legit.

02:21:08.000 Looks like a wet guy, though.

02:21:10.000 I don't know.

02:21:10.000 Ow!

02:21:11.000 Yeah, it looks like a guy who's pretty annoying.

02:21:13.000 I bet he's on Venice Beach right now.

02:21:15.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:21:18.000 There's a story that they say about Crazy Horse, that when he was a kid, to toughen him up, his dad had killed a turtle that they were going to eat.

02:21:25.000 But the story goes that the turtle heart keeps beating after it's dead for a while, and carved out the turtle and pulled out this steel-beating heart and gave it to Crazy Horse to eat it through.

02:21:37.000 And...

02:21:37.000 Yeah.

02:21:38.000 Yeah.

02:21:39.000 Raw turtle heart?

02:21:40.000 I don't recommend it.

02:21:41.000 Still beating.

02:21:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:21:42.000 Meanwhile, what kind of fucking diseases do you get from turtle hearts? 1.00

02:21:46.000 I would say cook that well done. 1.00

02:21:48.000 Right.

02:21:50.000 That's the only way to have some good turtle heart.

02:21:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:21:53.000 I mean, what kind of parasites and shit are in turtles? 1.00

02:21:56.000 Turtles eat everything, right? 0.99

02:21:57.000 But that's also what's funny.

02:21:58.000 It's like when you think about like wolves or you think about people who live super close to nature.

02:22:03.000 They could eat stuff that if we try today, we're dead in 30 seconds.

02:22:07.000 Right.

02:22:07.000 And they were fine.

02:22:08.000 Look at that.

02:22:08.000 It's beating.

02:22:09.000 Yep.

02:22:10.000 Googled it and it came up right away.

02:22:11.000 Wow.

02:22:12.000 Turtle heart just going off.

02:22:14.000 Did you hear about that guy who just got fired?

02:22:16.000 I think he was in Iowa.

02:22:18.000 He was a school teacher.

02:22:19.000 He fed a snapping turtle a puppy in the middle of the class. 0.97

02:22:22.000 What the hell?

02:22:23.000 No, I did not hear that. 0.97

02:22:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:22:27.000 He's currently suspended.

02:22:28.000 That's what I wrote.

02:22:29.000 You think?

02:22:30.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:22:30.000 Yeah, this guy, he had done some other dark shit in class before. 0.98

02:22:34.000 Here it is. 0.98

02:22:35.000 Teacher investigated for feeding puppies to snapping turtles in front of school.

02:22:39.000 Go see the image of the guy in the beginning of the article again.

02:22:42.000 Go back to the video and pause on his face.

02:22:48.000 They had a...

02:22:48.000 There he is.

02:22:49.000 Look at that fuck. 1.00

02:22:50.000 Why doesn't it show his face again? 1.00

02:22:53.000 Let me see his face. 1.00

02:22:54.000 That goofy prick. 1.00

02:22:59.000 He looks like a fucking complete psycho. 1.00

02:23:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:23:02.000 There he is. 1.00

02:23:03.000 Look at him.

02:23:04.000 Oh, well, you know, if you leave a puppy with a snapping turtle, he will eat it.

02:23:08.000 He will.

02:23:09.000 He will.

02:23:10.000 I'll show you.

02:23:11.000 Okay, don't tell your mom.

02:23:14.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:23:14.000 Don't do that, dick. 1.00

02:23:16.000 We have animals that we like more than other animals. 1.00

02:23:18.000 Yeah.

02:23:18.000 That's a fact.

02:23:19.000 And we like poppies a whole lot more than we like those dirty, fucking, stinky, hard-headed turtles. 1.00

02:23:24.000 Yeah, leave us our hypocrisy alone. 1.00

02:23:26.000 I like it.

02:23:27.000 That's how it is.

02:23:27.000 Some animals are cool.

02:23:29.000 Others, fuck them. 1.00

02:23:30.000 We have a profound hypocrisy. 1.00

02:23:32.000 Fine by me.

02:23:33.000 Don't you think...

02:23:34.000 You're probably more aware of that than the average person because of your study of history.

02:23:39.000 I mean, the hypocrisies of the human race are most exposed by going over them and watching these patterns repeat themselves over and over and over again.

02:23:49.000 Yeah, no, I mean, that's why to me I'm completely fascinated by the inner workings of the human mind, because the way that people can spin stories to themselves to justify stuff that in another context would be considered completely insane, that kind of goes back to that,

02:24:05.000 like, the average person is a flag in the wind that can go any way, you know?

02:24:09.000 How ridiculous is it that, like, 200 years ago, If you tell people slavery, overwhelming majority of people will be like, of course, slavery is cool.

02:24:18.000 What's wrong with slavery? 0.99

02:24:19.000 What kind of a freak are you? 0.96

02:24:20.000 You're anti-slavery? 1.00

02:24:21.000 Are you insane? 0.92

02:24:22.000 And if you say today, you know, you're going to have like 0.01% of the population would be cool with it. 0.96

02:24:29.000 And yet, we're the same people.

02:24:31.000 200 years have gone by, but suddenly what was completely normal at one point is considered batshit crazy today.

02:24:37.000 Yeah.

02:24:37.000 Yeah, it is weird.

02:24:38.000 It's weird, and it's constantly changing.

02:24:40.000 You know, constantly evolving, and it doesn't always need to make sense.

02:24:44.000 It's just, this is what's the new thing.

02:24:46.000 This is the new way of being. 0.76

02:24:47.000 And you know, there's always a small percentage of our population that's not gonna go along with the program that's gonna be like, no, this is a stupid idea, but the average is just gonna go wherever critical mass is tilting, they are gonna go with it.

02:25:02.000 Yeah.

02:25:03.000 Well, listen, man, I gotta wrap this up, but always a beautiful thing to talk to you, my brother.

02:25:07.000 You can go check out Daniele Bolelli's podcast.

02:25:11.000 It is called History on Fire.

02:25:13.000 It's available on iTunes, and you're on all the social media things.

02:25:18.000 D Bolelli on Twitter.

02:25:20.000 Are you D Bolelli on Instagram as well?

02:25:22.000 Instagram is the only one I don't do.

02:25:24.000 You don't do that at all?

02:25:24.000 No.

02:25:25.000 Good for you.

02:25:26.000 I do Twitter and Facebook.

02:25:26.000 That's it.

02:25:27.000 Fuck those shallow assholes like me. 1.00

02:25:30.000 Alright. 1.00

02:25:31.000 Thank you, brother.

02:25:31.000 Appreciate it, man.

02:25:32.000 Thank you so much.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 14, 2018

Joe Rogan Experience #1091 - Daniele Bolelli

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