The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1373 - Kyle Kulinski

00:00:00.000 Boom! 0.99

00:00:01.000 Here we go.

00:00:01.000 Hello, Kyle.

00:00:02.000 Hey, man.

00:00:02.000 What's going on?

00:00:03.000 What's going on, buddy?

00:00:03.000 Good to see you again.

00:00:04.000 Good to see you in your wonderful pink shirt.

00:00:06.000 Yeah, it's confident, right?

00:00:08.000 Pink and gray.

00:00:09.000 It's like you're confident. 1.00

00:00:10.000 You got a lot of shit going on. 0.99

00:00:11.000 Yeah, the lowdown on this, though, is I was supposed to get this dry-cleaned. 0.99

00:00:15.000 When I was in Tennessee for Politicon, which was just a few days ago, and then even when I got here, I was like, I gotta get this dry clean, go on Rogan's show.

00:00:22.000 Of course I didn't, but it doesn't look too wrinkly.

00:00:24.000 It looks good.

00:00:25.000 Thanks, man.

00:00:26.000 It looks very good.

00:00:26.000 Appreciate it.

00:00:27.000 So tell me what you were saying right when I walked in.

00:00:29.000 I said, hold this thought.

00:00:30.000 You were saying that Chelsea Manning is locked up and they're charging her $1,000 a day?

00:00:35.000 Yeah, Chelsea Manning is locked up right now because they wanted her to say more stuff against Julian Assange. 0.98

00:00:41.000 She's refusing to do it, and they're fining her.

00:00:43.000 I think it's over $1,000 a day.

00:00:47.000 Before that, we were talking about Snowden, and that shows you that they do not mess around when they feel like you're uncovering their BS. Yeah.

00:00:55.000 Now, what are they trying to get from Julian Assange?

00:00:58.000 Like, what do they have on him?

00:01:00.000 Well, Julian Assange, there's a couple reasons why they despise him.

00:01:04.000 But he has no political home right now, particularly because it used to be Democrats that defended him.

00:01:11.000 Right.

00:01:11.000 But then he pissed off the Democrats because he leaked on the DNC and he showed what was going on with Hillary behind the scenes and how the primary was basically rigged against Bernie Sanders.

00:01:19.000 So Democrats used to like him, now Democrats hate him.

00:01:22.000 And Trump used to like him when he was getting this information on Hillary.

00:01:26.000 But they hate him as well because Trump has basically been...

00:01:30.000 I think?

00:01:56.000 And so Julian Assange thought, hey, listen, this is not something we should be doing, and the American people deserve to know about this.

00:02:01.000 This shouldn't be top secret.

00:02:02.000 This is a war crime. 0.93

00:02:04.000 And so he released that, and then that's why they were coming after him and throwing the book at him because, you know, just like with Mike Revell previously, Daniel Ellsberg actually is who I'm thinking of, just like with Daniel Ellsberg when he showed what we were doing in Vietnam and how we were killing civilians.

00:02:18.000 They do not want you to expose their war crimes.

00:02:20.000 They will throw the book at you and act like you're a spy, you're working for a foreign country, you're a traitor, because they want to keep that stuff under wraps because it really embarrasses them and it really shows what U.S. Empire is doing around the world.

00:02:31.000 That was that collateral murder video?

00:02:33.000 Yes.

00:02:34.000 What's really bizarre about this is how no one speaks out against it.

00:02:37.000 No one.

00:02:38.000 No one on the right, no one on the left.

00:02:39.000 It's just this thing now.

00:02:41.000 You know what I mean?

00:02:42.000 It doesn't have a home.

00:02:44.000 Yeah, well, unfortunately, what you see is it becomes very partisan.

00:02:47.000 So when Obama is doing drone strikes and killing 90% innocent people, unfortunately, partisan Democrats don't talk about it.

00:02:56.000 Now that Trump has increased drone strikes by 432% over Obama, with still a tremendously high civilian death rate, now, you know, maybe some Democrats will talk about it, but Republicans certainly don't talk about it.

00:03:08.000 432% over Obama?

00:03:11.000 That's right.

00:03:11.000 And Obama was a radical acceleration of the Bush administration's drone policy.

00:03:16.000 That's right.

00:03:16.000 And Trump has increased it even more.

00:03:18.000 And see, that's the problem is, people get mad now that Trump is at the helm of this stuff, but all of these things now, it's precedent.

00:03:26.000 He's not doing anything that wasn't established beforehand.

00:03:28.000 Can I ask you this, though, when you say Trump is doing it, who is exactly making the call?

00:03:34.000 Do they bring this call to Trump and they say, hey, you know, we're going to bomb Yemen, we're going to do this with drones, and does he have to sign off on each individual attack?

00:03:42.000 That's a great question, and the short answer is, I don't know.

00:03:45.000 I wouldn't be surprised if Trump was directly involved in some of these instances.

00:03:49.000 I know that his first military raid as president that he approved ended up killing a nine-year-old American girl.

00:03:54.000 It was Anwar Al-Awlaki's daughter, I believe.

00:03:58.000 But I also do think that there is this, what you can call the deep state.

00:04:02.000 I know people think that's like a conspiratorial term, but it's really not.

00:04:04.000 All that's saying is that the CIA, the NSA, the FBI, these are people who are in these positions of power, and they're there throughout all these different administrations.

00:04:16.000 Yeah, Snowden talked about that.

00:04:17.000 Exactly.

00:04:18.000 So that's not conspiratorial.

00:04:19.000 And so when you have a kill list, and when you have people at the CIA, and the Pentagon, by the way, a lot of them are calling the shots.

00:04:25.000 And maybe they just need an okay every now and then from President Trump.

00:04:29.000 But yeah, I mean, I think that there's, it's not just one person making all the decisions.

00:04:34.000 I think that the President does play a role.

00:04:36.000 But I also think it's generals, I think it's people at the CIA. And I think it's this complex web of people who are all kind of involved in this thing that ends up being drastically negative.

00:04:46.000 Yeah, drastically negative, to put it mildly, right?

00:04:48.000 When you're talking about 90% civilian casualties with drone strikes, that's such a disturbing thing that this continues, that no one says, hey, this is grossly ineffective and horrific in its consequences, you know?

00:05:03.000 Yeah, what they do is, you know, they give everybody a false choice.

00:05:06.000 They make it seem like, hey, listen, man, if we're not doing these all-out ground invasions and we're not doing, like, war-war with boots on the ground, well, what do you want us to do?

00:05:14.000 Like, there are bad people out there.

00:05:15.000 We've got to go after these bad people.

00:05:16.000 So this is, like, the soft power option, if you will.

00:05:19.000 And my response to that has always been...

00:05:21.000 Yeah, but you do have to follow the Constitution, and the way our system is supposed to work is you can't have the President just declare war and just go and do it.

00:05:30.000 Congress has to approve war.

00:05:31.000 So if you wanted to do a drone war, okay, but you got to get a declaration of war, tell me exactly which countries you're going to be doing the bombing in, why you're doing the bombing in those countries, and get an approval through Congress.

00:05:41.000 So if you were to come to me and say, hey man, there's an Al-Qaeda cell that's very active in Pakistan or whatever, so we want to approve a drone war, Have Congress vote on it, see what happens, and then move from there.

00:05:53.000 But what we're doing now is, it's just baked into the cake that we violate U.S. law, we violate the Constitution, and we violate international law with all these bombings.

00:06:01.000 Because as of right now, we're bombing at least eight different countries, and we also have a shadow war going on in Africa.

00:06:06.000 We do?

00:06:07.000 We do, absolutely.

00:06:08.000 What's the shadow war in Africa?

00:06:09.000 So the Intercept reported on this, I don't know as much on this off the top of my head, but Jamie, if you wouldn't mind please pulling up an article from the Intercept.

00:06:17.000 There's a shadow war going on in Africa where we're building military bases all over Africa, and the idea is I think that we have these bases where the drones fly out of and they can go to the Middle East and they can bomb there.

00:06:30.000 Is this also in response to the fact that China is essentially moving into large parts of Africa to extract minerals and natural resources?

00:06:38.000 Yes, and this is actually super interesting because the China thing, they're doing this Belt and Road Initiative.

00:06:44.000 And basically, this is like their version of empire through debt.

00:06:49.000 Okay, so what they do is they'll go into, like they just made a deal with Iraq.

00:06:52.000 We spent trillions of dollars in Iraq, did an illegal and offensive war. 0.84

00:06:55.000 China swoops in and they go, hey, listen... 1.00

00:06:58.000 What we want to do is help you guys.

00:06:59.000 We want to build your infrastructure up.

00:07:01.000 We want to make your country beautiful.

00:07:03.000 So if you do a deal with us, we're going to build all the infrastructure with you.

00:07:08.000 We'll give you credit.

00:07:09.000 Exactly.

00:07:09.000 And then what happens?

00:07:10.000 They turn around and they say, okay, well then you can get a certain percentage of our oil sales or whatever it might be.

00:07:15.000 And it's funny because there's been this evolution when it comes to empires.

00:07:19.000 So it used to be back in the day, you just kind of...

00:07:21.000 Go up on somebody's shores and say, mine, I'm taking it, and you do it by force. 0.99

00:07:25.000 Then the U.S. evolved from that, and what the U.S. does is it's this cute little trick where we say, no, no, no, we're not going to control you directly.

00:07:32.000 What we will do is take somebody from your native land, prop them up as a dictator, And then they will allow U.S. corporate interests to go in there and kind of exploit the natural resources. 0.99

00:07:41.000 But it's intelligent because you're saying, no, no, we're not in there ourselves, like the British did in India, for example, where they just showed up and they're like, it's ours.

00:07:48.000 There was a British presence there very clearly.

00:07:50.000 We have people from their native lands take control, but we exploit stuff from them and extract stuff from them. 1.00

00:07:56.000 So China took that one step further, where it's like, okay, no, we're actually going to provide you with You know, material well-being.

00:08:02.000 We're going to give you a solid infrastructure.

00:08:03.000 And then it's like, you look at it more like a business deal than an expansion of empire.

00:08:08.000 And honestly, this is one of the weird benefits of having an authoritarian-like system like China does, is they can make a decision on a dime.

00:08:15.000 You could just have the Communist Party just go, yeah, we'll do this because this is the best way to do it. 0.93

00:08:20.000 And there can be no...

00:08:21.000 Nobody can fire back and say, I don't agree with that.

00:08:23.000 Let's stop it.

00:08:24.000 Here, the way Western democracies work, it's almost like...

00:08:27.000 You have this certain slowness that's built into the process because there's so many checks and balances.

00:08:31.000 And in many ways that's a good thing.

00:08:32.000 You want a system like that, but in many ways it provides a strategic disadvantage, at least when you're talking about imperialism.

00:08:38.000 So here's the article from The Intercept.

00:08:40.000 U.S. Special Operations numbers surge in Africa's shadow wars.

00:08:45.000 The most dramatic growth in deployment of American elite troops of any region of the globe over the past decade, according to newly released numbers, Africa.

00:08:54.000 It says, Never hear about it,

00:09:16.000 never been a vote on it, they just do it.

00:09:19.000 Wow.

00:09:19.000 It's scary.

00:09:20.000 It's scary the way that it works.

00:09:22.000 How you really do have a deep state, if you will, kind of making decisions, and the president just kind of goes along with it.

00:09:28.000 And we're all sitting around here acting like, hey man, maybe instead of doing that, we could actually, I don't know, use some of our tax dollars to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, which gets a grade of D+. But are they doing it because they see a threat?

00:09:42.000 Like exclusive, U.S. has more military operations in Africa than the Middle East.

00:09:47.000 Whoa.

00:09:48.000 Now, is it possible because they see a threat?

00:09:52.000 I think that's the rationalization that they use, but I think it has more to do with power and control.

00:09:58.000 And when you're the world's sole superpower, you don't want to cede that ground to anybody else.

00:10:02.000 And so the benefits that come along with that, in their mind, is they can rationalize jacking natural resources from all over the world by saying, no, listen, you'd rather have us in this position than you would Russia, than you would China.

00:10:13.000 So it's really like this...

00:10:16.000 The idea is, in their own minds, it's like, we're a benevolent superpower that's only doing this to keep the world order.

00:10:22.000 Well, Mike Baker tried to explain Huawei to me.

00:10:25.000 Mike Baker from the CIA. One of the things that he was explaining, he said, you have to realize that there is no such thing as...

00:10:34.000 Industry independent of government in China.

00:10:37.000 If you have something like Huawei, if you have a giant corporation, they are inexorably connected to the Chinese government.

00:10:43.000 And the moves they make are not necessarily designed for, you know, the infinite growth paradigm.

00:10:49.000 This idea that we have in the United States with corporations are beholding the stockholders or just trying to make money.

00:10:55.000 That's not what they're doing over there.

00:10:57.000 They have a long game.

00:10:58.000 And the long game involves information, it involves espionage, it involves stealing trade secrets and patents from other companies.

00:11:08.000 And so when they're selling them these modems, they've got built-in third party options.

00:11:14.000 So the third party, meaning China, can extract information.

00:11:17.000 So if someone has this modem and they're using this modem to send information to someone in Beirut, China can also get that information.

00:11:28.000 Yeah, they do a lot of cyber.

00:11:30.000 I mean, that's been a thing that's been known for a long time, that they'll jack patents and intellectual property, and they have this whole economy that's kind of thriving off technology that's made elsewhere.

00:11:41.000 That's certainly an issue.

00:11:42.000 But also, I would argue that it's probably the case with the U.S., too, that this kind of distinction between Corporations in the state is largely a veneer because you have such control of our political process because of big money from corporations flowing into the system.

00:11:57.000 So I think that a lot of these decisions that are made even when it comes to foreign policy are directly in relation to how it will impact those corporations.

00:12:05.000 Like the thing that I remember was a light bulb moment for me back in the day when I first learned about it was the banana wars. 0.60

00:12:11.000 Have you ever heard about this?

00:12:12.000 No.

00:12:13.000 Back in the day, I think it was in the late 1800s, but don't quote me on that, we just went into South America and started toppling governments because we wanted to jack their bananas.

00:12:23.000 And it was literally for, I think, the Chiquita Banana Company that we did that.

00:12:26.000 Really?

00:12:27.000 Yeah, so when you look at that, you go, Okay, well that kind of distinction between corporation and government is not even really a thing here.

00:12:34.000 It's like this veneer that's in between the two, but really it's the powerful moneyed interests and the elites that kind of run everything and they're married at the hip, whether they're in the government or whether they're in corporations.

00:12:45.000 What year was this?

00:12:46.000 I think this was the late 1890s.

00:12:47.000 Again, I'm more than happy to be fact-checked on this, but I remember the first time I read about this, it had to be in college, the Banana Wars.

00:12:54.000 I was like, that's insane. 0.63

00:12:55.000 Kill people for bananas. 1.00

00:12:58.000 It's crazy. 0.93

00:12:59.000 Well, how about when you go throughout history and you find out that a lot of the wars were over salt?

00:13:04.000 I didn't even know that.

00:13:06.000 Oh my god, they killed people for salt.

00:13:08.000 It was very important back in the day because they didn't have refrigerators.

00:13:11.000 So in order to preserve things and keep them from being infected by bacteria, they would pour salt all over their meat and salt all over their fish, and that's how they preserved things.

00:13:21.000 Right.

00:13:21.000 You could apparently preserve things for long periods of times when you completely cover them with salt.

00:13:26.000 Yeah, so I guess it's just always been a thing that it's like wars over resources.

00:13:31.000 Yes.

00:13:32.000 Now there's a lot about oil, but like...

00:13:34.000 We're accustomed to the oil stuff.

00:13:36.000 Yeah.

00:13:37.000 You're right.

00:13:38.000 We have been used to that for quite a while.

00:13:39.000 And it's interesting because what just happened with Syria and Trump, that was fascinating, is at first he said, oh, we're getting out of Syria, we're getting out of northern Syria.

00:13:46.000 Everybody went crazy and said, oh my God, what about the Kurds?

00:13:48.000 And then we come to find out like three or four days later that he's like, well, no, we're actually taking these troops from northern Syria to Moving them over into Western Iraq, and they're going to be doing the same thing that they've been doing from Western Iraq, and then Trump had the nerve to go out there and say, and we've secured the oil.

00:14:03.000 It's so tremendous.

00:14:04.000 We've secured the oil.

00:14:06.000 We're not going to make the same mistake like we made in Iraq again.

00:14:09.000 And this is something that he had been saying at CPAC, the Conservative Political Action Conference, going back for years.

00:14:14.000 Every year he'd give a speech.

00:14:17.000 I think?

00:14:40.000 They're like, no big deal or anything, but we're just going to go into Texas and we're just going to jack all your oil.

00:14:44.000 But don't worry, because it's okay.

00:14:46.000 We're allowed to do that because we say we're allowed to do that.

00:14:48.000 We're like, what are you talking about?

00:14:49.000 But we're going to do that to a sovereign country, Syria, as we pretend like we care so deeply about Syrian civilians and that's why we're there to protect them?

00:14:57.000 Like, no, we're there to jack their oil.

00:14:58.000 That's what we're trying to do and control the region.

00:15:01.000 It's so disturbing when it's that transparent.

00:15:03.000 Exactly.

00:15:04.000 But is it better? 0.97

00:15:05.000 Well, that's what I was just about to say next is that some people make the argument that, well, at least there's no tap dancing bullshit. 0.98

00:15:12.000 Whereas with all the other presidents, they have this fake holier-than-thou attitude where they really can put a happy face on a disgusting thing like Empire. 1.00

00:15:23.000 Where Trump is, and I think it's fair to say, he's too stupid to really go through the tap dance. 1.00

00:15:28.000 And so people are like, hey, there it is. 1.00

00:15:30.000 It's like, it's right in front of our face.

00:15:31.000 But what's interesting about him is he says both things at the same time.

00:15:35.000 Like, he has the political instincts enough to know that people think war is generally bad.

00:15:42.000 So he always goes out there and he talks about how he thinks war is generally bad.

00:15:45.000 And we got to get our troops out of the Middle East.

00:15:47.000 I don't know why we're there. 1.00

00:15:48.000 It's so stupid to do in the first place. 0.99

00:15:49.000 But when you look at what he's actually doing, it doesn't match his rhetoric. 0.99

00:15:53.000 So I don't know if you remember this, but like a year or so ago, he tweeted...

00:15:56.000 We're getting out of Afghanistan finally after all these years. 0.99

00:15:59.000 We've been there for 18 years.

00:16:00.000 It was terrible.

00:16:00.000 We should have never been there in the first place.

00:16:01.000 And then we just didn't get out.

00:16:03.000 He said that, acted like we were going to do it, and then the generals behind the scenes were like, ha ha, that's a good one.

00:16:08.000 And we never got out.

00:16:10.000 And then he just stopped talking about it.

00:16:12.000 We're still there.

00:16:13.000 But he just says it.

00:16:15.000 He's like, oh, we're going to get out of Iraq. 0.99

00:16:16.000 Then he doesn't do it.

00:16:17.000 So what happens is he gets...

00:16:18.000 It's actually, politically, it comes across sometimes as a positive because nobody follows up with it and the media doesn't do their job and say, wait, we didn't actually get out of there.

00:16:27.000 So it comes across as a positive politically because he's still doing the head fakes towards non-intervention which people agree with, but it's business as usual behind the scenes.

00:16:35.000 How much time do you think he actually spends on any of these things?

00:16:39.000 And if he does spend time...

00:16:41.000 How does he have the time to do these interviews?

00:16:44.000 How does he have the time to tweet?

00:16:46.000 How does he have the time to watch Fox News?

00:16:48.000 I mean, I really want to know how much interaction he actually has with his cabinet.

00:16:54.000 How much interaction does he actually have with the generals?

00:16:57.000 How much interaction?

00:16:58.000 That's the dirty little secret, Joe, is that...

00:17:00.000 It can't be much.

00:17:01.000 It's not, because what he really does is...

00:17:05.000 He watches Fox News all day and tweets out their videos.

00:17:07.000 And he tweets all day.

00:17:09.000 Yeah, right.

00:17:09.000 How can you be doing that and also doing what we think you should do?

00:17:13.000 Look, I don't have any time.

00:17:15.000 And all I do is do podcasts.

00:17:17.000 That's right. 0.87

00:17:17.000 So I watch him and I'm like, this doesn't make any fucking sense. 0.87

00:17:20.000 No. 0.94

00:17:20.000 So here's the thing. 0.94

00:17:21.000 And there was a story that was reported before he became president.

00:17:24.000 I think it was after he got the Republican nomination.

00:17:26.000 There was this interesting story that it wasn't discussed too much, but I thought it was fascinating because the Trump team apparently approached John Kasich, who's just like kind of a standard establishment Republican.

00:17:35.000 He was the governor of maybe in Ohio, but I'm not sure.

00:17:39.000 It was one of those states over there.

00:17:40.000 But anyway, it was Ohio.

00:17:41.000 So he approached John Kasich and basically said to him behind the scenes, hey, listen, man.

00:17:46.000 If I end up winning this election, I want you to kind of like be my vice president, run the day-to-day at the White House, dot all the I's, cross all the T's, do all the work like that, and I want to go around the country and keep doing rallies and rile up everybody.

00:17:59.000 And get everybody to our side.

00:18:00.000 So basically, and this shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody.

00:18:04.000 What's that?

00:18:04.000 If you win, why do you have to rile everybody up?

00:18:07.000 Well, see, he's the first president to never stop campaigning.

00:18:10.000 He's always campaigning.

00:18:11.000 He's always doing rallies.

00:18:12.000 And there's a reason why he's doing that, Joe.

00:18:14.000 It's the only thing he loves on this earth.

00:18:17.000 It's that and watching Fox News that he loves.

00:18:19.000 So that's what he does with all of his time.

00:18:21.000 And everything else, yes, he's just...

00:18:23.000 See, this is the thing, Joe.

00:18:24.000 He took all these deeply establishment figures, Steve Mnuchin of Goldman Sachs, Stephen, I'm forgetting his name, Cohen something, Cohen, Cohen, another guy from Goldman Sachs.

00:18:34.000 He had all these just career insiders, brought them into his administration, whether it's with the economy or with foreign policy, John Bolton, deep neoconservative.

00:18:42.000 He said he believed in the opposite philosophy, but then he puts John Bolton in power because he wants the system to keep running as it is and run smoothly while he goes around and just...

00:18:52.000 You know, makes the name for himself and talks about how amazing and tremendous this country is and what an amazing job we're doing.

00:18:58.000 So it's funny because he has two different personas.

00:19:01.000 One of them is, I'm going to pretend to be the anti-establishment guy and rally people up nonstop and be a politician and be good at it.

00:19:07.000 And then the other thing is, behind the scenes, he's like, guys, just keep everything running and hold it together with duct tape if you have to before I get out of here.

00:19:15.000 At the same time, he's acting like the most anti-establishment president of all time when he's on the campaign trail.

00:19:19.000 He's also the most deeply pro-establishment candidate or president in terms of what he's actually doing.

00:19:25.000 So it's a fascinating dynamic that's going on right now.

00:19:28.000 It's a giant hustle.

00:19:29.000 That's right.

00:19:30.000 It's a giant hustle. 0.97

00:19:31.000 And listen, man, and other people on the left might disagree with me on this, but I think he's fucking brilliant at it.

00:19:35.000 I think he's brilliant at this part of it, where he really does have a way, like, he broke every single political rule that ever existed when he ran for president, and he won.

00:19:46.000 So what does that tell you?

00:19:47.000 That tells you that the rules are nonsense.

00:19:49.000 The problem is, who is he running against?

00:19:51.000 I don't think that would have worked if he was running against Obama. 0.99

00:19:53.000 I think Hillary is such a deeply flawed candidate, and so many people despised her, and during the Me Too era, her creepy fucking husband is just looming in the distance like Nosferatu. 0.99

00:20:07.000 I mean, how many women have come out and accused that guy of sexual assault and rape, and he's still hovering? 0.99

00:20:15.000 I mean, he's still around, and that's always going to haunt her.

00:20:19.000 She's connected to that guy forever.

00:20:21.000 On this topic, there's an amazing story.

00:20:23.000 So, during the election... 1.00

00:20:26.000 Remember when the story broke of Trump on video saying, I grab him by the pussy, I don't even wait, and everybody blew up, and all the mainstream media talking heads were like, oh my god, it's over. 1.00

00:20:35.000 He's gonna drop out. 1.00

00:20:36.000 It's over.

00:20:37.000 It's done.

00:20:37.000 What did Trump do with that next debate?

00:20:39.000 This was actually low-key political brilliance.

00:20:41.000 Instead of doing what every other politician would have done, which is basically kind of give in a little bit and be like, alright, you got me.

00:20:46.000 What he did, he leased a short apology video real quick, got out of the way, then the next night was a debate.

00:20:52.000 At the debate show, he brought like eight Bill Clinton accusers, put them in the audience, and then he goes out there on stage and when he's asked the question, the first thing he says is, listen, I'm not proud of what I said.

00:21:03.000 It wasn't a good thing what I said, but what I did was just words.

00:21:07.000 What Bill Clinton did was actions, folks.

00:21:10.000 It was actions.

00:21:11.000 So if you want to see who the real problem is, he's sitting right there in the audience.

00:21:15.000 And the brilliance of that move is, this is politics 101. Never really go on defense.

00:21:20.000 Your best defense is a really good offense.

00:21:22.000 So he made it a wash.

00:21:23.000 All of a sudden this issue, which was supposed to be, oh my god, it's the end of Donald Trump.

00:21:27.000 Now the whole conversation shifted to... 0.96

00:21:29.000 I mean, damn, there are a lot of accusations against Bill, aren't there? 0.96

00:21:32.000 So maybe this is a wash and we can just kind of move on from this topic completely. 0.98

00:21:35.000 That's all he had to do.

00:21:36.000 And you see with every single scandal that Trump's involved in, you see how incredibly pathetic and ineffectual and weak the Democrats are at marketing and strategizing, and you see how good he is because he is, no matter what it is, he's going to flip it. 0.95

00:21:49.000 He's going to flip it back on you. 0.72

00:21:50.000 So the new thing is the Ukraine thing.

00:21:51.000 I don't know how closely you've been following this.

00:21:53.000 But the Ukraine thing, he basically got caught on a phone call asking for dirt on his political opponents, Joe Biden.

00:21:59.000 He was talking to the president of Ukraine.

00:22:00.000 And he said it in so many words.

00:22:02.000 I mean, he said there was no quid pro quo.

00:22:04.000 But there doesn't have to be.

00:22:05.000 It's implied.

00:22:06.000 Everybody knows what you're asking for.

00:22:07.000 You're asking for dirt on your political opponent.

00:22:08.000 So everybody's melting down and going, oh my god, man, you can't do that.

00:22:11.000 This is violating every rule.

00:22:13.000 This is violating every norm.

00:22:14.000 This is not something any president should be doing, relying on a foreign power to get dirt on your political opponents.

00:22:18.000 What does Trump do?

00:22:19.000 Again, goes right back on the offense, and he goes out there and says, I have every right as president to investigate corruption, and Joe Biden is incredibly corrupt, and all I'm doing is I'm, you know, trying to figure out, why was Hunter Biden getting $50,000 from an energy company?

00:22:33.000 He doesn't know anything about energy!

00:22:35.000 Why is he getting this?

00:22:36.000 And so now, again, the conversation isn't, man, Trump shouldn't have been doing that. 0.99

00:22:40.000 The conversation is, okay, sure, maybe Trump shouldn't have been doing that, but goddamn, Joe Biden's son and Joe Biden's family is really corrupt, aren't they? 0.97

00:22:46.000 Well, how about the video where... 0.98

00:22:48.000 You saw the video where Trump released it, where it was Biden talking about...

00:22:54.000 Yeah.

00:22:55.000 The loan.

00:22:56.000 Like, explain that.

00:22:57.000 Okay, so this one, I'll give you what the Democrats say and I'll give you what the Republicans say.

00:23:01.000 The Democrats say, hey man, that's a misleading video because yes, it's true, Biden was holding a billion dollar subsidy over the head of Ukraine to fire a prosecutor, but Biden wanted to get rid of the corrupt prosecutor and bring in a non-corrupt prosecutor.

00:23:15.000 That's why he was doing what he did and holding that subsidy over their head.

00:23:18.000 And they say, the prosecutor that eventually came into place actually investigated the Biden family more.

00:23:24.000 So that's why the Democrats say you're kind of misleading by putting this out there.

00:23:29.000 The argument that Trump is making is, well, no, you're holding a billion dollar subsidy over the head of a foreign government and saying you have to listen to us and do X, Y, and Z. That's problematic in and of itself.

00:23:41.000 But furthermore, it's corruption anyway.

00:23:44.000 We know that the only reason Hunter Biden was getting paid $50,000 a month, and actually now people are saying it's not $50,000, it's $83,000 a month, is because his last name is Biden.

00:23:52.000 And so it's pay-to-play corruption. 0.99

00:23:54.000 $83,000 a month is a lot of fucking money. 0.98

00:23:57.000 And this is where I think, like, Democrats are silly, because they always find the weakest anti-Trump argument possible, and now they're put in a position where they have to try to say, like, oh, the Bidens did nothing wrong at all, and Trump is all bad. 0.99

00:24:08.000 And bottom line, nobody's gonna believe that the Bidens did nothing wrong when you're getting $83,000 a month, and you don't know anything about natural gas. 0.71

00:24:15.000 What was the justification for the $83,000?

00:24:17.000 I don't even know what they give as the justification.

00:24:20.000 I mean, the only thing I heard from, I think it was Ted Lieu, he's a Democratic congressman, was, you know, hey man, people sit on boards and there was nothing wrong there.

00:24:29.000 Which is really weak.

00:24:30.000 But here's the thing, and this is, again, why the Democrats drive me crazy, is like...

00:24:33.000 They picked the weakest of all anti-Trump arguments.

00:24:35.000 So they wanted to use this as like, oh, we're going to try to impeach him over this, and this is going to be the thing that we're going to hang our hat on.

00:24:41.000 And Nancy Pelosi even said, we're going to limit the scope of the impeachment investigation to only this, only the Ukraine phone call.

00:24:46.000 And then somebody like me, I'm sitting there and I'm pulling my hair out because I can actually give you like three or four super legitimate things that are impeachment worthy.

00:24:55.000 Not that I think it strategically makes sense, and we can get into that if you want to, but like the one that drives me crazy is...

00:25:02.000 Donald Trump has a hotel in Washington DC that he owns, okay?

00:25:05.000 He took $300,000 through that hotel from the Saudi government.

00:25:09.000 So they're funneling him money through his hotel in DC. And then Donald Trump turns around and gives a multi-billion dollar weapons deal to the Saudi government as they're committing a genocide in Yemen.

00:25:19.000 We know they're committing a genocide in Yemen. 0.96

00:25:21.000 We know that we're arming them.

00:25:23.000 And he gave them even more weapons because he got that money through his hotel.

00:25:28.000 For me, I'm looking at that and I'm going, oh my god, this scandal has everything.

00:25:31.000 It's got personal corruption.

00:25:33.000 It's got guns going to a vicious, genocidal country. 0.99

00:25:37.000 What was the money for?

00:25:38.000 The money in the hotel?

00:25:39.000 Okay, so what they did is they had these little retreats at the hotel, and Saudi Arabia would pay for U.S. veterans to go and stay at these hotels.

00:25:49.000 I don't know if it's tours of the capital or whatever it is, but they'd pay for these veteran groups to go to the hotel.

00:25:54.000 But then, of course, you look at it and you go...

00:25:57.000 I don't know, man, $300,000?

00:26:00.000 And the speculation is, well, of course they overpaid on purpose, but furthermore, even if they didn't, Jimmy Carter had to sell his peanut farm when he was president because the idea was, hey, we're not even saying you're doing anything corrupt, but just the fact that you have this personal private business,

00:26:16.000 it is theoretically possible that foreign governments want to give you money through your peanut farm So you have to sell it because just the existence of it enough is enough to say it violates the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution, which is just a fancy way of saying that the president can't be corrupt and take money from foreign governments.

00:26:33.000 And Trump is doing that.

00:26:34.000 He just is.

00:26:35.000 Right.

00:26:35.000 So this $300,000, though, this is for services rendered?

00:26:38.000 This is for hotel rooms?

00:26:40.000 What is this for?

00:26:40.000 Well, that's what they say is it's for, I guess, the meals in the hotel rooms and whatnot.

00:26:44.000 I hate to say it this way, but that's not a lot of money to someone like him.

00:26:48.000 Well, you know, but then what I always think about when people make that point is you have to flip it.

00:26:52.000 What would we be saying if it was the Clinton Foundation getting $300,000 from the Saudi government and then Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State approving a weapons deal to Saudi Arabia?

00:27:01.000 And the fact of the matter is, that actually is almost exactly like what happened with the Clinton Foundation because Bill Clinton was going around and giving speeches at all these, you know, Gulf dictatorships and then he was getting, you know, $500,000 a pop or whatever it was and then Hillary Clinton was approving weapons deals as Secretary of State.

00:27:16.000 Right.

00:27:17.000 I feel like that's a little bit more egregious because these speeches are worthless.

00:27:22.000 At least the hotel rooms, it's real.

00:27:25.000 It's real food.

00:27:27.000 It's meals.

00:27:28.000 That actually costs money.

00:27:29.000 These speeches are worthless.

00:27:32.000 In my opinion, those speeches are a transparent bribe.

00:27:37.000 So do you think, though, that a president should be able to have private businesses that foreign governments can pay him any amount of money?

00:27:43.000 No, I don't think so.

00:27:44.000 Right.

00:27:45.000 I don't.

00:27:45.000 Sure.

00:27:46.000 But I just don't think they're comparable.

00:27:47.000 Like, I think with the Clinton Foundation, I think the Clinton Foundation was egregiously gross.

00:27:53.000 Right.

00:27:53.000 Well, I think both of those things are egregiously gross, and I do think it influences him.

00:27:56.000 I think it sure influences him, because there's a deal.

00:28:00.000 Right?

00:28:00.000 They have a deal.

00:28:01.000 Even if it's only $300,000, which I know most people hear this, they're like, that's a lot of money.

00:28:05.000 It's a lot of money to me, but is it a lot of money to a billionaire?

00:28:08.000 Right.

00:28:08.000 I don't necessarily think it is.

00:28:11.000 And it's also a lot of money that goes through his organization, and it costs money to make that money.

00:28:17.000 So how much profit is that?

00:28:19.000 Out of $300,000, it's not that much profit.

00:28:22.000 With $500,000 a speech, that's one talk for one hour, and it costs nothing for him.

00:28:30.000 And he's making a half a million dollars, and he did it over and over and over and over and over again.

00:28:34.000 And it was all under the guise of the Clinton Foundation is doing this great charitable work all across the country and all across the world.

00:28:43.000 And that, to me, was more transparently disgusting.

00:28:46.000 Yeah, so I understand why you would say that, but I also think that...

00:28:51.000 I think?

00:29:08.000 So, again, when you're running for president, it's a public service.

00:29:13.000 You're trying to serve your country.

00:29:15.000 And you shouldn't intertwine business with that in any way, shape, or form.

00:29:19.000 There's another one, I believe he has a hotel in Turkey.

00:29:23.000 And now, his argument, by the way, is...

00:29:25.000 No, it's okay because I transfer all this to my kids.

00:29:28.000 So while I'm president, my kids run my businesses and take care of it.

00:29:31.000 But I think that's just a total nonsense dodge because your family is still profiting from it.

00:29:36.000 And here's a crazy fact, Joe, and this one really just blew my mind.

00:29:41.000 With Trump in office, in one year, Jared and Ivanka made, I think it was $82 or $83 million in one year.

00:29:51.000 How?

00:29:52.000 Through their businesses, and they say, oh, there's nothing to see here, there's no problem.

00:29:55.000 But then you dig into the specifics, and yet again, you see so many sketchy things, like Jared Kushner got, like, millions of dollars from Israeli banks.

00:30:03.000 Why?

00:30:04.000 And then this is the guy who they say, it's okay, he's going to broker a peace deal between Israel and Palestine.

00:30:08.000 One of the sides is giving him millions of dollars.

00:30:10.000 You think that's going to be a fair peace deal?

00:30:12.000 It's going to be the most lopsided peace deal in history.

00:30:15.000 And this is the problem is that, and again, for the Trump example, it's just that he kind of rips the mask off and shows you what everybody's doing.

00:30:22.000 But it's not like it didn't happen with Bill Clinton.

00:30:24.000 It's not like, like with Barack Obama, it was Wall Street appointed his entire administration.

00:30:29.000 I believe he got a list from Citigroup.

00:30:31.000 To, you know, put people in his cabinet.

00:30:34.000 And it's like, this is the way the system functions.

00:30:36.000 And my opinion is, you shouldn't be taking money from foreign governments.

00:30:40.000 You shouldn't be taking money from corporations.

00:30:43.000 Because you're going to be biased in favor of those countries.

00:30:47.000 Like, look at what happened with Jamal Khashoggi and Trump.

00:30:49.000 I mean, they killed...

00:30:52.000 A journalist.

00:30:53.000 They killed a journalist.

00:30:54.000 And they didn't even get a slap on the wrist.

00:30:56.000 It was nothing.

00:30:57.000 Why?

00:30:58.000 Again, because we're so intertwined with them with business relations and he is making money from them.

00:31:04.000 Where is that right now?

00:31:06.000 Where's what?

00:31:07.000 The Jamal Khashoggi thing?

00:31:08.000 As far as I know, it's dead in the water.

00:31:10.000 That's crazy.

00:31:11.000 But this, again, look at the difference between how they talk about stuff like this when it's a U.S. ally versus when it's not a U.S. ally.

00:31:18.000 When it's a U.S. ally like Saudi Arabia that does it, there's nothing to see here. 0.70

00:31:21.000 But if you get a similar story coming out of Iran, for example, who's not a U.S. ally, or they love to go after Maduro, and I'm not saying he's a good guy, but they go after Maduro because he's not a U.S. ally.

00:31:30.000 So they could harp away on all the negative things about him, but we're not having a conversation about Jamal Khashoggi.

00:31:35.000 We're not having a conversation about people being beheaded in the public square.

00:31:39.000 For stuff like sorcery, Joe.

00:31:41.000 They kill people in Saudi Arabia for sorcery and witchcraft and drug smuggling and apostasy. 0.99

00:31:46.000 If you don't think God is real and you say that in Saudi Arabia, they could kill you. 1.00

00:31:49.000 They could cut your head off in the public square. 0.99

00:31:51.000 Are they really killing people for sorcery? 1.00

00:31:53.000 Yes!

00:31:54.000 Really?

00:31:54.000 Yes!

00:31:55.000 They're killing people for sorcery! 0.77

00:31:56.000 It's crazy!

00:31:58.000 The Khashoggi thing is super disturbing because it seems like everybody's like, well, what are you going to do?

00:32:05.000 What are you going to do?

00:32:06.000 I know!

00:32:06.000 I mean, it would have been cleaner if they just made him have some sort of heart attack or an accident or something along those lines.

00:32:14.000 If there was plausible deniability in any way.

00:32:16.000 The way they did it, it's almost like this guy wanted them to do it a certain way. 0.99

00:32:21.000 He wanted them to chop this guy up and put him in bags and deliver him out of the country in suitcases and shit or whatever the fuck they did, however they got rid of him. 0.98

00:32:32.000 It's such a disturbing decision that they made. 0.99

00:32:35.000 Yeah, and they know they're going to get away with it, and again, this is what happens.

00:32:38.000 They have, right?

00:32:38.000 It's been over a year.

00:32:39.000 They have.

00:32:40.000 They absolutely have.

00:32:40.000 When was the murder?

00:32:41.000 How long ago?

00:32:42.000 Last time I was on the podcast, we spoke about it, and last time I was on the podcast was a year ago, so it was over a year ago.

00:32:49.000 It's just, whatever.

00:32:51.000 Again, if they're our ally, that means...

00:32:54.000 I mean, they really do.

00:32:55.000 There's so much business that goes on between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia and the weapons deals and everything that...

00:33:00.000 Trump actually made this argument in the White House sitting next to the Saudi Crown Prince.

00:33:06.000 He's like, they're buying so many weapons.

00:33:08.000 It's so tremendous the weapons they're buying.

00:33:09.000 And he holds up the pictures of this from Raytheon.

00:33:12.000 This is what he's getting.

00:33:13.000 This is from Boeing.

00:33:14.000 This is what he's getting.

00:33:15.000 And it's like, oh my god.

00:33:16.000 Imagine for a second it's anybody...

00:33:19.000 Imagine it was a deal like that with Kim Jong-un.

00:33:22.000 He's like, we're selling Kim Jong-un these tremendous weapons.

00:33:25.000 Didn't he threaten us today?

00:33:26.000 Who I didn't see if Kim Jong-un did.

00:33:28.000 Didn't Kim Jong-un threaten us today?

00:33:30.000 I think they...

00:33:31.000 I was waiting to show you this.

00:33:33.000 Oh, we got here.

00:33:33.000 Saudi Arabia's anti-witchcraft unit breaks another spell.

00:33:36.000 What?

00:33:37.000 The unit established in 2009 is charged with apprehending sorcerers and reversing the detrimental effects of their spells in the Gulf country.

00:33:46.000 Let me see the picture.

00:33:48.000 Scroll up for the picture.

00:33:49.000 Oh my god.

00:33:51.000 That looks like Baghdad Bob. 0.61

00:33:53.000 You remember Baghdad Bob?

00:33:54.000 From?

00:33:55.000 From the Iraq war when Iraq was getting slaughtered.

00:33:59.000 He was like, everything's great. 1.00

00:34:00.000 Iraq's kicking ass. 1.00

00:34:01.000 Do you remember that guy? 1.00

00:34:01.000 Yes, I do remember that. 1.00

00:34:02.000 He was like their Ministry of Propaganda guy.

00:34:05.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:06.000 It's like Ahmad Shalabi, the guy who they wanted to be.

00:34:08.000 When the severed head of a wolf wrapped in women's lingerie turned up near the city of... 0.75

00:34:14.000 How do you say that?

00:34:15.000 Tabuk? 1.00

00:34:15.000 I have no idea. 1.00

00:34:16.000 In northern Saudi Arabia this week, authorities knew they had another case of rich witchcraft on their hands.

00:34:21.000 A capital offense in the ultra-conservative desert kingdom.

00:34:25.000 Is that really what it is?

00:34:26.000 Is that conservative?

00:34:28.000 Boy, that term...

00:34:31.000 That term is, like, way too wide.

00:34:33.000 I think both are.

00:34:35.000 I think the idea, like, liberal, conservative, it casts such a wide net.

00:34:39.000 And then people like to get sneaky and use, no, I'm a classic liberal.

00:34:43.000 Oh, what is that?

00:34:44.000 What is that? 1.00

00:34:45.000 You're a fucking Republican. 1.00

00:34:47.000 And it's funny because there's actually, when you actually look at the textbook definition of a lot of these terms, they have multiple meanings. 1.00

00:34:51.000 So classical liberal, in some instances, means just like libertarian, because that's what it used to mean back in the day.

00:34:58.000 But in today's day and age, like you said, it could mean you're kind of right-leaning.

00:35:01.000 Yeah, it's more right of center.

00:35:04.000 Classical liberal is a very, it's a misleading term.

00:35:10.000 Like, classical liberal.

00:35:11.000 Classical liberal is, it's a British term, correct?

00:35:15.000 Well, I think it originally dates back to, it was a way of describing libertarianism.

00:35:19.000 That was what they used, because I think it referred to liberalizing the markets.

00:35:23.000 Let's look at the exact definition, because that's one of those words.

00:35:27.000 I hear people say that, and they go, well, that guy's Republican.

00:35:30.000 Why is he calling himself a classical liberal?

00:35:33.000 Yeah, that's my point.

00:35:34.000 And I don't like labels, period, because they're so amorphous.

00:35:37.000 And people can say, you can ask people, like, did you know, for example, in the Democratic primary in 2016, self-described conservative Democrats supported Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton, even though Bernie Sanders is literally further to the left than Hillary Clinton.

00:35:51.000 So again, that just shows people don't know labels.

00:35:54.000 When you say conservative Democrats, though, maybe they're just not into interventional foreign policy.

00:35:59.000 I mean, she's kind of a warmonger.

00:36:01.000 Right, and this gets back to the point of labels being so amorphous that...

00:36:04.000 Here it goes.

00:36:05.000 Sorry.

00:36:06.000 Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties under the rule of law with an emphasis on economic freedom.

00:36:15.000 That's what I was referring to.

00:36:16.000 So that's sort of libertarian, right?

00:36:17.000 That's libertarianism, yes.

00:36:17.000 So that's like less rules, right?

00:36:21.000 Right.

00:36:22.000 Deregulate the marketplace.

00:36:23.000 Free market will take care of it.

00:36:25.000 Capitalism unfettered is the best kind of capitalism.

00:36:28.000 Closely...

00:36:34.000 Welcome to my show!

00:36:55.000 You know him.

00:37:01.000 Yeah, you know that guy.

00:37:03.000 Do I? Adam Smith?

00:37:04.000 Yeah.

00:37:04.000 Yeah, he's, like, viewed as, like, the godfather of, you know...

00:37:07.000 Free market thought in many ways.

00:37:08.000 I mean, there's other ones, don't get me wrong.

00:37:10.000 There's Milton Friedman, of course, and there's Hayek, and there's von Mises, but Adam Smith is definitely one that's cited a lot.

00:37:16.000 He's the one where everybody talks about the individual hand of the marketplace.

00:37:19.000 That's who they're citing when they talk about the free hand of the marketplace, or however the saying goes.

00:37:24.000 Look at this expression.

00:37:26.000 Book one of The Wealth of Nations, and on a belief in natural law, utilitarianism, And progress.

00:37:37.000 What does that mean?

00:37:38.000 Natural law, utilitarianism, and progress?

00:37:42.000 Well, utilitarianism means doing the best for the largest number of people.

00:37:46.000 Yeah, but what does natural law mean?

00:37:48.000 Adam Smith in One Book of Wealth and Nations and on a belief in natural law.

00:37:52.000 Click on that, Jamie.

00:37:53.000 What does that mean?

00:37:54.000 We're going down a rabbit hole here.

00:37:58.000 I just...

00:38:01.000 The Natural Law of Money?

00:38:03.000 From a book.

00:38:04.000 Oh, okay.

00:38:20.000 The problem with that, I mean, there's a lot of problems with that, but the problem with that clearly is that when there has been regulation for long periods of time and you just step back, you're going to have a massive period of chaos until things do settle.

00:38:32.000 If you do let the market decide, I would imagine there's going to be a period when the deregulation takes place. 0.92

00:38:39.000 There's going to be a lot of people that get fucked over. 0.96

00:38:42.000 Absolutely. 0.96

00:38:42.000 I mean, we actually have quite a bit of evidence on this front because we've run this experiment like a thousand times in U.S. history alone, but as a general rule, whenever you do market deregulation and whenever you cut taxes for the very wealthy, there's what's called a boom-bust cycle, 0.96

00:38:58.000 which means everything takes off, everything seems like it's wonderful, the good times seem like they're never going to end.

00:39:02.000 Remember the roaring 20s?

00:39:03.000 They called it the roaring 20s because it was like, oh my god, the market is soaring, everything's going so well, and then it was followed by the Great Depression.

00:39:09.000 And then you saw it again, actually, in the end of the Clinton years, because Clinton repealed Glass-Steagall, which was a very important piece of regulation.

00:39:16.000 And then under the Bush years as well, he further deregulated and cut taxes for the rich.

00:39:20.000 And what happened?

00:39:21.000 We had the subprime mortgage crisis and the Great Recession.

00:39:23.000 So, as a general rule, it's not like all regulation is good, full stop.

00:39:28.000 It depends what the regulation is.

00:39:30.000 To argue in favor of regulation of the marketplace is like arguing in favor of referees in a soccer game or whatever.

00:39:35.000 You need some amount of enforcement of things that make sense.

00:39:40.000 I love when libertarians argue like, would you want to have no FDA at all?

00:39:47.000 Looking after the drugs that are out there.

00:39:49.000 Exactly. 0.95

00:39:49.000 It's ridiculous. 0.95

00:39:50.000 And you could sell stuff that's cut with substances that could end up killing you. 0.96

00:39:54.000 I mean, this is actually what happened.

00:39:55.000 In Prohibition, during Prohibition, they used to make alcohol in bathtubs and cut it with substances that were very dangerous.

00:40:02.000 And so every now and then there would be a bad batch of alcohol and people would die because the way they made the alcohol had no regulation and no standards.

00:40:08.000 Like what happens today with drugs.

00:40:10.000 Exactly.

00:40:11.000 Yes.

00:40:11.000 And that's...

00:40:12.000 I mean, we could talk about, I'm sure you saw what happened with that standoff between the Mexican military and the drug cartel.

00:40:20.000 Dude, they beat the government in a standoff, in a battle, and they ended up freeing El Chapo's son.

00:40:27.000 Well, did you see when the Sicario showed up and just started talking to the people in the Mexican military?

00:40:33.000 Yes.

00:40:34.000 And the Mexican military was like, hey, we're just trying to stay alive here.

00:40:37.000 What do we got to do?

00:40:38.000 Like, let them go.

00:40:39.000 And they're like, okay.

00:40:40.000 Sounds good.

00:40:41.000 Listen, it's such a tough situation because the drug cartel was just going to start massacring people if they didn't release them.

00:40:47.000 So if you're the president of Mexico, if you're AMLO, what do you do?

00:40:50.000 I mean, if I'm in his position, I go, hey man, I can't have you doing a genocide in a village in Mexico.

00:40:55.000 And they're under-resourced.

00:40:56.000 There's not enough people.

00:40:57.000 And the Mexican cartel has an unstoppable amount of money.

00:41:01.000 Joe, the only way to defeat the cartels is to legalize, tax, and regulate drugs.

00:41:06.000 Because that's how you put them out of business.

00:41:08.000 They can't compete with legitimate businesses.

00:41:11.000 They can't compete.

00:41:11.000 Like, let's say we had all these growing operations in the U.S. and it was legal at a federal level in the United States.

00:41:16.000 What is somebody going to want to do?

00:41:17.000 Are they going to want to go to a back alley with a sketchy character to get some drugs? 0.76

00:41:20.000 Or are they going to want to go to Walgreens?

00:41:21.000 Well, I had the author of Hidden War on the podcast.

00:41:24.000 His name is John Norris.

00:41:25.000 And John Norris, he got a job initially as a game warden because, you know, he grew up in the outdoors and fishing and hunting and things like that, and he wanted to be a game warden.

00:41:35.000 Well, along the way, they started finding these Mexican grow-ops, these cartel grow-ops.

00:41:40.000 All over California.

00:41:41.000 And it got even worse, believe it or not, when they made marijuana legal, because now these grow-ups are just a misdemeanor.

00:41:50.000 It's no longer a felony.

00:41:51.000 So if you have 100 acres on public land that you've decided to take the water from this creek and send it down there and it kills a bunch of fish, it's just a misdemeanor for the guys growing the drugs.

00:42:04.000 So there's more doing it.

00:42:05.000 Yes, there's more doing it. 0.96

00:42:06.000 And now 80% of all the illegal marijuana that's being grown and sold in the United States, a rough estimate, is coming from these cartel grow-ops, and a lot of them are using these pesticides that are very fucking dangerous. 0.89

00:42:20.000 Yeah. 0.64

00:42:20.000 Right, yeah. 0.64

00:42:21.000 See, it's because they could just do it. 0.97

00:42:22.000 They could just set up shop and, you know, they go to the National Forest, they go to public lands, they hike in with, like, fucking tubes, like, hoses and shit on their back so they can revert these creeks or divert these creeks, rather. 0.99

00:42:33.000 And they set up these grow-ups and they bring guns and they fucking set up shop. 0.98

00:42:38.000 And so these guys, these game wardens became like a paramilitary operation. 0.99

00:42:43.000 They had to go in there with dogs. 0.73

00:42:44.000 That's scary.

00:42:44.000 Yes, and they had to get trained tactically, and these guys wound up being these people that had to take down members of the cartel.

00:42:52.000 That's super scary. 0.99

00:42:53.000 In the fucking woods. 0.99

00:42:54.000 Yeah, and I think that we have this weird gray area situation in the United States right now, where certain states have legalized it for recreational use, certain states have it for medical use, but at the federal level, it's still illegal. 0.99

00:43:08.000 Right, and if it became legal, then these cartel operations would have to go out of business.

00:43:12.000 Absolutely, yeah.

00:43:14.000 Wouldn't be valuable, they'd have to move on to something else.

00:43:16.000 And then that would open a whole other Pandora's box because what do you do?

00:43:19.000 Let's say you only legalize, tax, and regulate marijuana.

00:43:22.000 Well, then they might just move on to, there might be more cocaine or more whatever it might be.

00:43:27.000 That's what they're doing.

00:43:27.000 They're doing that with meth.

00:43:28.000 They figured out a way to grow meth with plants.

00:43:32.000 They figured out a way to make meth with plants.

00:43:36.000 This is a new thing.

00:43:37.000 They haven't been able to do this before.

00:43:38.000 Meth had always been done with, which is another thing we need to talk about, Sudafed.

00:43:45.000 What a good conversation that is.

00:43:50.000 Sudafedrine.

00:43:51.000 When you go to, in California at least, say if you've got a cold and you want to buy some strong over-the-counter cold meds, you have to give your driver's license.

00:44:00.000 And they only sell you a little bit.

00:44:02.000 The reason being is because people used to just buy everything off the shelf, throw it into a basket, bring it up to the counter, and they would use that stuff to make meth with.

00:44:11.000 Because it's one of the ingredients.

00:44:13.000 You can actually boil it all down.

00:44:14.000 I don't know the process, but you can make meth out of cold medication. 1.00

00:44:18.000 Well, these fucking guys have figured out how to do this shit with plants now. 1.00

00:44:23.000 That's what we were going to get to in a minute. 1.00

00:44:25.000 We'll get to that.

00:44:26.000 Go to that.

00:44:27.000 Plant-based meth is the next frontier of Afghanistan's drug trade. 0.94

00:44:32.000 Investigators have uncovered a burgeoning local trade in the production of methamphetamine using a mountain shrub.

00:44:40.000 See, like, now, let me ask you this question, because I'm a little torn on this next one, but I'm of the belief that if you, like, let's say you legalize lower-level uppers or amphetamines, okay?

00:44:52.000 So let's say you have a more benign version of all of these kinds of drugs that are legal and available.

00:44:57.000 Well, we do.

00:44:57.000 It's called Adderall.

00:44:58.000 No, no, no, but you still have to go to a doctor and get a prescription for that.

00:45:00.000 I'm talking about over-the-counter.

00:45:01.000 Right.

00:45:02.000 Okay?

00:45:02.000 So do you think that, because I think that would...

00:45:05.000 Not fully eliminate the market for the much harder stuff, but it would, I think, eliminate a majority of that market because if somebody goes and gets a more safer alternative, that might not be a strong, but you can go get a safer alternative or get a bunch of a safer alternative, then, yeah,

00:45:21.000 why wouldn't you choose that over doing like Crocodile, the one that melts off your skin if you do it for like a year?

00:45:28.000 That's like a heroin one.

00:45:29.000 The speed ones are the ones that are interesting because they're productivity drugs.

00:45:33.000 And that brings us to Trump.

00:45:34.000 Let's do it.

00:45:35.000 This is so much fun.

00:45:36.000 There's a photograph of him.

00:45:38.000 It's a classic photograph because it's after...

00:45:41.000 I love Mexicans! 1.00

00:45:42.000 Yeah, he was talking shit about, you know, the wall and it's all rapists and murderers. 1.00

00:45:49.000 I think this was Cinco de Mayo, if I remember correctly. 1.00

00:45:51.000 So he's eating a taco bowl, and the bowl says, I mean, he says, I love Hispanics, I think. 0.99

00:45:56.000 And I remember watching that, looking at that photograph, going, is this motherfucker for real? 0.99

00:46:02.000 He really tweeted that? 1.00

00:46:04.000 I love Hispanics? 1.00

00:46:05.000 And he's eating a fucking taco bowl? 1.00

00:46:07.000 Well, the open desk drawer, somebody focused in on it, and they realized, this is like years later, they realized that it's all filled with Sudafed. 0.99

00:46:16.000 And Sudafed is, again, the active ingredient One of the ingredients in Sudafed is the active ingredient in meth.

00:46:24.000 And so apparently people take Sudafed.

00:46:27.000 And if you take that stuff, it gives you like a little bit of a buzz.

00:46:31.000 And if you take large doses of Sudafed, it's essentially like taking, like he's microdosing.

00:46:37.000 He's microdosing meth.

00:46:38.000 It's actually a little deeper than that, which makes it even funnier.

00:46:41.000 Deeper.

00:46:42.000 Yes, because there's a certain form of Sudafed that they sell in the United States, and then there's a UK version of Sudafed.

00:46:47.000 And the UK version of Sudafed has that ingredient to it, which is more of an upper, which kind of acts like an amphetamine.

00:46:55.000 Look at this.

00:46:55.000 It says, The desk drawer full of Sudafed, including boxes in New York purchased in the UK, indicate that the legal limits of purchase are being circumvented, and that the then-candidate Trump was abusing Sudafed for its high, rather than its decongestant effect.

00:47:11.000 Okay, so there's that.

00:47:13.000 Now, I want to take it a step further because I don't know if you watched this video I sent you a while ago, but I was absolutely floored by the contrast between the speech Trump gave at CPAC this year and then the speech Trump gave at the UN this year.

00:47:28.000 The CPAC one, Joe, totally off script, bouncing off the walls, an hour and 30 minutes, hands moving all over the place.

00:47:35.000 Yeah.

00:47:35.000 So active, so engaging, making jokes, all this stuff.

00:47:38.000 Hilarious.

00:47:39.000 And then you go to the UN speech.

00:47:41.000 Joe, he's talking like this.

00:47:44.000 And he literally, he was so tired, he couldn't even say the word sovereignty.

00:47:48.000 He quit halfway through it.

00:47:49.000 He was like, and that's why we need to protect sovereignty.

00:47:54.000 Yeah.

00:47:55.000 And so, if you want to pull that up, Jamie, if you want to watch some of it, you can see the contrast.

00:47:59.000 Well, I watched it on Pacman's show.

00:48:01.000 Pacman had, David Pacman had an episode where he was concentrating on this alleged drug use by Trump, and he showed the contrast of him sniffing at the debates with Hillary Clinton.

00:48:15.000 And he did a, yeah, this whole conglomeration of all of his sniffing moments.

00:48:22.000 This, uh... 0.99

00:48:23.000 And let me just say, in Trump's defense, if I was president, I'd be taking some shit too, because that's a tough job. 0.99

00:48:29.000 And also, don't lie, when he does a rally and he's high as balls on an upper, they're entertaining. 0.99

00:48:35.000 And I'm the first one on the left to admit, his Twitter feed, I feel bad sometimes because he genuinely makes me laugh.

00:48:42.000 I'll never forget the morning I woke up and I go on Twitter, which is part of my morning routine, and the first words I see are from the President of the United States.

00:48:49.000 And it says, Washed up psycho Bette Midler. 0.92

00:48:54.000 And I just saw that first part of the tweet and I broke down laughing.

00:48:57.000 It was the funniest thing ever.

00:48:58.000 Look, he makes me laugh all the time. 1.00

00:48:59.000 He's done a bunch of shit on his Twitter that he's just like, this motherfucker is crazy. 1.00

00:49:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:49:04.000 What was the ones that we were talking about recently that he did?

00:49:07.000 Was it a... 1.00

00:49:07.000 He tweeted something that was bullshit. 1.00

00:49:10.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:49:11.000 I don't remember what he was saying was bullshit, but that he tweeted those words was pretty funny. 0.95

00:49:15.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.97

00:49:16.000 Well, his Trumpisms, like the little side things that he always does makes me laugh, like the all caps randomly, or sometimes he'll capitalize letters for no reason in the tweet. 0.98

00:49:24.000 Well, it was great when he was the fucking host of The Apprentice. 0.98

00:49:27.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:49:28.000 That's when it was great.

00:49:29.000 Yeah.

00:49:29.000 It was like he was an entertaining character.

00:49:31.000 It's just, now that he's the president, it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is real?

00:49:35.000 Yeah.

00:49:35.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm curious what percentage of the population is like my mom who really values the idea of somebody kind of being buttoned down and presidential and very professional sounding.

00:49:45.000 Because that used to be the model and that used to help you in the 1980s and 1990s.

00:49:50.000 But I genuinely feel like in today's day and age, we've kind of evolved out of that.

00:49:54.000 And you're not going to get another Mitt Romney-style politician who's like a robot who's really on script.

00:49:58.000 You're going to get either a left-wing version or a right-wing version of somebody who's really kind of shooting from the hip and has no filter. 0.99

00:50:05.000 Because that no-filter-ism comes across as just so much more genuine, even if he sounds fucking crazy when he talks. 0.99

00:50:11.000 Even if he sounds fucking crazy. 0.98

00:50:12.000 I think that's also the same thing with news. 0.99

00:50:15.000 That's the same thing with news reporters.

00:50:17.000 That's why I'm here, Joe.

00:50:18.000 Exactly.

00:50:18.000 Right.

00:50:18.000 And that's why your show works, too.

00:50:21.000 You talk like you're talking right now.

00:50:23.000 Absolutely.

00:50:24.000 And we would be going to dinner tonight, we would talk the same way.

00:50:28.000 That's right, yeah.

00:50:29.000 Exactly.

00:50:30.000 That doesn't exist anywhere else.

00:50:31.000 And you would see these people that are buttoned down, and then you'd find out behind closed doors they're freaks.

00:50:39.000 It leads everybody to wonder, what is real?

00:50:42.000 What is real? 0.99

00:50:43.000 Someone does talk real, and they're like, I'm pretty sure that is who that fucking guy is. 0.99

00:50:48.000 He's that way all the time. 0.99

00:50:49.000 That's why he's talking that way.

00:50:51.000 So with Trump, they're like, okay, at least I know what that is. 0.91

00:50:54.000 That's a crazy guy who's on speed, and he wants to make a lot of money, and he doesn't want to yell at Saudi Arabia because he's making money off of them. 0.91

00:51:02.000 Okay. 0.90

00:51:02.000 At least I know what that is. 0.90

00:51:04.000 With Clinton, especially her, you don't know what the fuck that is. 0.98

00:51:07.000 You get the sense that there's multiple layers of analysis. 0.99

00:51:11.000 And she said it, and this was released from WikiLeaks, there's a public position and a private position.

00:51:14.000 Well, when the whole Tulsi Gabbard thing, when she called Tulsi Gabbard a Russian asset, and I was like, what?

00:51:22.000 Like, what is this?

00:51:24.000 Joe, let me tell you something, man. 1.00

00:51:26.000 You gotta have fucking proof. 0.99

00:51:28.000 If you are a person who- That never stopped them. 0.99

00:51:30.000 But I know, but when you're saying something like that, that's such a fucking important thing to say. 0.89

00:51:38.000 Like, that's a very damning thing to say. 0.96

00:51:41.000 She's a major in the military right now.

00:51:45.000 She's in the military.

00:51:46.000 Yes.

00:51:46.000 Right.

00:51:47.000 And they're like, yeah, well, she's a Russian asset.

00:51:49.000 She's done two tours of duty in the Middle East.

00:51:51.000 And you know why they say that, too, right?

00:51:53.000 Because Tulsi Gabbard has spoken strongly against intervention in Syria, war in Syria.

00:51:59.000 The argument goes, hey, Vladimir Putin and Russia are aligned with the Syrian government.

00:52:04.000 They're allies.

00:52:05.000 Therefore, if you're arguing against U.S. intervention in Syria, your argument benefits Putin. 0.55

00:52:11.000 That's how their argument goes.

00:52:12.000 And then they also say, and this turned out to be totally debunked and not true, oh, there's an army of Russian trolls that are trying to help Tulsi Gabbard win the election.

00:52:19.000 And, Joe, but this is the thing that they pull out.

00:52:21.000 For anybody who's on the left and anti-war, this is what they pull out.

00:52:25.000 I've been accused of it before.

00:52:26.000 I've been accused of being a Russian puppet and a Russian asset.

00:52:29.000 And it's like, no...

00:52:30.000 Are you controlled opposition?

00:52:32.000 Yeah, my controlled opposition.

00:52:33.000 And the funny thing is, Joe, they do this because they cannot actually have a conversation with me and...

00:52:39.000 Disagree with me when I talk about policy.

00:52:41.000 Right, of course.

00:52:42.000 So when I sit there and I explain, hey, here's why Medicare for All is the way to go, and here's why a public option is nonsense, and here's why our current system is terrible, they want to defend the status quo, but they cannot defend the status quo using arguments, so they have to just lump me off and put me to the side and say, well, he shouldn't even be allowed in the conversation because he's a Russian asset, 0.99

00:52:58.000 and he's not serious.

00:52:59.000 But the thing is, the reason why their argument holds some weight at all is because of the IRA, the Internet Research Agency, and the work they've done that was exposed.

00:53:09.000 The Russian stuff, where they're making all of these different Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram accounts, and they're using them to start...

00:53:18.000 To start wars, like essentially, to start arguments with people about anything and everything, to slander people, to support people, you know, to say, you know, as a black woman, I could never support Hillary Clinton, and then they make these arguments, and it's not really a black woman's account. 0.59

00:53:34.000 It's a Russian, and it's part of this Russian research agency that Renee DiResta exposed.

00:53:40.000 Have you ever paid attention to any of her work?

00:53:42.000 No, I haven't, but I'm very skeptical on this point because they always make it seem like if that didn't happen, that we'd all be hunky-dory holding hands and getting along.

00:53:50.000 They're not necessarily saying that.

00:53:51.000 Okay.

00:53:51.000 But they are saying that this was effective.

00:53:54.000 And there's millions and millions of engagements and it flavors conversations.

00:53:58.000 And for a lot of people, and this is a giant percentage of people...

00:54:02.000 They do not have time to deeply research and understand these things thoroughly.

00:54:07.000 They don't.

00:54:08.000 No one does. 0.97

00:54:09.000 They have jobs, and they have mortgages, and they have children, and they have hobbies, and they have friends, and they're doing all kinds of shit when they have their time off.

00:54:18.000 They don't have enough time to truly research. 0.93

00:54:22.000 Was Ted Cruz involved in the Kennedy assassination?

00:54:26.000 You know what I mean? 0.97

00:54:27.000 When you hear a rumor like that, those kind of crazy, ridiculous rumors, they just spread. 0.95

00:54:34.000 They just spread.

00:54:35.000 And they spread primarily because most people don't have the time to look into these things.

00:54:40.000 So if you have something...

00:54:41.000 Like the Internet Research Agency that's been shown to start a bunch of accounts.

00:54:45.000 Like they have Black Lives Matter accounts.

00:54:47.000 They have separatist, Texas separatist accounts where they want Texas to secede from the union and to start their own nation.

00:54:57.000 And then they have these pro-Muslim accounts.

00:54:59.000 And then they have all these different accounts.

00:55:01.000 And they've even organized meetings where they'll have like the...

00:55:20.000 We're good to go.

00:55:21.000 Propped up ideologies.

00:55:23.000 They're pretending that they're this.

00:55:24.000 They're pretending they're a Black Lives Matter organization.

00:55:26.000 Or they're pretending that they're Puerto Ricans for Trump.

00:55:31.000 But it's madness.

00:55:33.000 It's all just starting fights and causing these arguments.

00:55:38.000 And they're doing this to try to, even if it's 1% or 10%, If they can disrupt democracy by 4%, 5% here or there, it's incredibly effective.

00:55:50.000 If they can get a narrative going and they can sustain that narrative, a bullshit narrative, just through coming up with these fake things, it has an effect.

00:55:59.000 How much of an effect?

00:56:01.000 I don't know, but it's an effect.

00:56:01.000 If it's 1%, if it's 2%, if they can get a meme past people and you start spreading it through Facebook.

00:56:09.000 And a lot of them, she said, she looked over 100,000 memes and she's like, some of them were fucking hilarious.

00:56:15.000 And you're reading these and you're laughing and you realize, well, they're making these things to make people laugh and also to try to get a point across.

00:56:22.000 And that point is to, you know, to try to paint Hillary Clinton as a this or paint Joe Biden as a that or paint, you know, and what they're doing is they're Starting these groups, and these groups will argue against other groups,

00:56:37.000 and people just kind of go along like sheep, and they don't even know who's behind the whole thing.

00:56:42.000 They really think this Black Lives Matter group is like African Americans that are tired of police brutality, but it's not. 1.00

00:56:50.000 It's these guys in Russia that are just starting shit. 1.00

00:56:53.000 It's weird. 0.99

00:56:55.000 I hear you, but at the same time, the thing that has kind of shocked me is the degree to which this is relied upon and used as the scapegoat to not talk about sometimes things that are very real issues.

00:57:10.000 And I know because it's been done...

00:57:12.000 With Bernie Sanders, there was this Russian troll farm meme created of Bernie Sanders.

00:57:16.000 It's like, he's rainbow colored and he's doing a pose where he's showing his bicep or whatever.

00:57:21.000 And that was then used by mainstream media to say, why is Russia trying to prop up Bernie Sanders?

00:57:28.000 Why is he trying to prop up Bernie Sanders?

00:57:30.000 So they try to make it seem like, oh, Bernie's like a Russian puppet and a Russian asset.

00:57:33.000 And if you support him, well, you've just been duped to support him.

00:57:37.000 And so it's kind of used as this catch-all thing where it's like, If I try to bring up a real issue, they say, well, Russia wants you to talk about that.

00:57:44.000 Why are you talking about that?

00:57:45.000 See, this is three-dimensional chess, though.

00:57:47.000 This is part of the whole dispute.

00:57:49.000 Part of the whole dispute is you see something like that and then people say, why does Russia want Bernie Sanders to be president?

00:57:57.000 Why are they pumping up Bernie Sanders?

00:57:58.000 And then this becomes even a more confusing argument.

00:58:02.000 Like, if they do do something like that and they create these funny memes and try to prop up Bernie Sanders and then the argument comes in, like, why does Russia want Bernie Sanders to win?

00:58:13.000 Everything's getting convoluted.

00:58:15.000 Everything is muddy. 0.95

00:58:16.000 Nobody understands what the fuck is going on. 0.96

00:58:18.000 That's the point. 0.97

00:58:19.000 The point is to sow seeds of doubt and to sort of disrupt democracy.

00:58:24.000 The point is to do this very cheaply and easily through internet accounts.

00:58:29.000 This is the idea behind it.

00:58:31.000 And if you listen to Sam Harris's podcast with Diresta or the podcast that I did with her, and when she goes into depth about this, you know, understanding this and how much time she spent researching this IRA, this Internet Research Agency in Russia and all the work that they do. 0.97

00:58:48.000 We have people working 24 hours a day on this shit, and they're doing it specifically under the behest of the government to try to fuck with democracy. 0.71

00:58:57.000 I just think we have to be really careful, point taken, I just think we have to be really careful to make sure that that doesn't distract us from focusing on issues that really do matter, because oftentimes I've seen that's invoked to kind of shut up the talk about real issues. 0.99

00:59:12.000 And I'd also add on top of that as well, the dirty little secret that we never talk about in this country is that We actually are doing the exact same thing.

00:59:19.000 Oh, for sure!

00:59:20.000 Yeah.

00:59:21.000 For sure!

00:59:22.000 And I remember that they created, like, a whole fake website or a whole fake app for Cuba.

00:59:29.000 It was supposed to be, like, Cuba's version of Twitter.

00:59:31.000 And it was just all U.S. created. 0.60

00:59:33.000 And it was all trying to control the narrative.

00:59:34.000 Yeah, I remember this story from about two years or so ago.

00:59:37.000 And what was it? 1.00

00:59:38.000 Like, oh, fuck America? 1.00

00:59:40.000 No, I'm not sure. 1.00

00:59:42.000 They were trying to do the opposite. 0.98

00:59:43.000 They were trying to say, like, ooh, doesn't communism suck? 0.63

00:59:46.000 Isn't it awesome to be subversive? 0.57

00:59:47.000 They were trying to get a grassroots uprising against the government there.

00:59:52.000 Also, they were doing it for Cuba.

00:59:54.000 Not doing it, oh, that's amazing.

00:59:55.000 They were doing it to try to, what they think is, you know, free Cuba.

00:59:59.000 U.S. secretly created Cuban Twitter to stir unrest and undermine government.

01:00:03.000 I mean, listen, this is a tool, right?

01:00:06.000 There's hundreds and hundreds of tools they use.

01:00:09.000 Isn't it sad that this is what, like, unfortunately in so many ways, this is what politics has become?

01:00:14.000 Because you and I can sit here and we can have a really good conversation about the minimum wage.

01:00:18.000 What are the pros and cons of it?

01:00:19.000 What do the polls say on the minimum wage?

01:00:21.000 You know, if we went down that path, how would it impact the broader economy?

01:00:23.000 We could have a conversation about...

01:00:25.000 We could have a conversation about healthcare.

01:00:27.000 We could have a conversation about foreign policy.

01:00:30.000 And you and I can bounce ideas off each other.

01:00:32.000 We could talk about market regulation.

01:00:34.000 All this stuff.

01:00:34.000 But, like, that's just not what dominates political culture in today's America.

01:00:39.000 Because you just have this dumbed-down conversation where the entire conversation is about stuff like this, or the entire conversation is about the individual cult of personality aspect of politics.

01:00:51.000 And that's just really upsetting to a guy like me because...

01:00:54.000 If we actually have that conversation on policy, I think there's so much more agreement in this country than people realize.

01:01:02.000 And oftentimes what I say is, if you and I sit here and have a conversation, we agree on something.

01:01:07.000 It's a pretty damn good bet that that's a solid position that a lot of people agree with.

01:01:12.000 But if two politicians in Washington, D.C. agree on something, look out. 0.93

01:01:16.000 Because oftentimes, not always, but oftentimes, they're agreeing to screw you.

01:01:20.000 And that's what just happened with, again, this was about a year or so ago, there was all these headlines, bipartisan consensus and agreement on a piece of legislation.

01:01:28.000 It was all like flowery, happy language.

01:01:30.000 They agreed to further deregulate Wall Street, which again is the thing that led to the subprime mortgage crisis in the Great Recession.

01:01:37.000 And this is what you get agreement on between Democrats and Republicans in Washington, D.C. Every now and then you'll get two good things like, you know, Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul coming together, Bernie Sanders and Mike Lee to agree.

01:01:48.000 War is bad and we shouldn't aid a genocide in Yemen. 0.78

01:01:50.000 Okay, that's wonderful.

01:01:51.000 We all agree with that.

01:01:52.000 But most of the time it's like, let's agree to further help out Wall Street.

01:01:56.000 Let's agree to further artificially prop up U.S. institutions. 0.59

01:02:00.000 Let's agree to Wall Street bailouts.

01:02:02.000 Let's agree to more funding for the military-industrial complex.

01:02:04.000 And it's like...

01:02:06.000 We would be so much better off if, and this is an idea that I've been pushing for a while now, imagine we had a law where every time we had to vote in a presidential election, the people got to vote directly on the top three issues impacting the country, and that became law.

01:02:21.000 So let's say in the next presidential election, one of the questions is, so it's a national direct ballot initiative law, and one of the questions could be, should marijuana be legal, taxed, and regulated at a federal level, yes or no?

01:02:31.000 And then the American people vote on it, and whatever we say, that becomes law.

01:02:34.000 So then it would be, you know, be like 65% in favor of it.

01:02:37.000 And so we'd win on that one.

01:02:39.000 And you can go down the list, and you can have the three most important issues.

01:02:41.000 And that's a way, Joe, I think, to circumvent the corruption in Washington, D.C. I mean, one way is you can fight to get money out of politics so there's not as much corruption.

01:02:49.000 I think that's honestly a longer and harder fight.

01:02:52.000 But if you do this national direct ballot initiative law, I really think that that could impact this country for the better.

01:02:58.000 And it's an idea, unfortunately, nobody's really talking about it yet.

01:03:00.000 It's not anything like Bernie's.

01:03:02.000 I'm with Bernie on so much of what he's talking about, and I love the guy.

01:03:04.000 But he hasn't spoken about this yet.

01:03:06.000 Tulsi hasn't spoken about this yet.

01:03:08.000 Andrew Yang hasn't spoken about this yet.

01:03:09.000 And again, these are brilliant people who have great ideas.

01:03:12.000 Have they discussed it ever, publicly?

01:03:13.000 They never brought it up.

01:03:14.000 They've never brought it up.

01:03:15.000 I actually brought it up in conversation to somebody in Bernie Sanders' campaign.

01:03:18.000 I brought it up in conversation with somebody in Tulsi's campaign.

01:03:21.000 And I do think that...

01:03:22.000 And I'm not saying that to go after them, because I do think that they're really smart and right on a lot of stuff.

01:03:27.000 And I think that in due time, they might...

01:03:29.000 We're good to go.

01:03:53.000 We're good to go.

01:04:13.000 But do they understand the implications of pulling out of Iraq? 0.99

01:04:16.000 Better than the shitty politicians who are corrupt and bought by Raytheon and Boeing and Halliburton. 1.00

01:04:20.000 Right. 1.00

01:04:21.000 That's what I would say.

01:04:22.000 There's got to be someone who could advise, someone who has an objective perspective on foreign policy, maybe someone who's in the military, who's got boots on the ground, who can tell you, okay, here's the problems with pulling out, and here's the pros of pulling out,

01:04:37.000 and here's the cons.

01:04:38.000 And you Get an objective analysis of the situation so at least people are informed.

01:04:43.000 Instead of just having them vote on it based on public perception, have them vote on it based on something.

01:04:50.000 Here's what I'm afraid of.

01:04:51.000 When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

01:04:54.000 And what history teaches us is that...

01:04:56.000 And this happened...

01:04:57.000 Endlessly in Vietnam. 0.99

01:04:59.000 Presidents came and went and they were like, you know, I don't know, I really don't think we should be doing this, and they would be talked into staying and increasing troop levels by the generals.

01:05:08.000 Now this is not taking a shot at the generals, this is just me saying that when that's your field of expertise, yeah, that's what you're gonna say.

01:05:14.000 Oh, just let us stay there another five months, let us stay there another year.

01:05:17.000 Joe, we're at the point now where nobody even bothers to define what victory would mean in Afghanistan, what victory would mean in Iraq.

01:05:22.000 Think about it.

01:05:22.000 What's the original reason we were given?

01:05:24.000 Oh, we've got to go into Afghanistan because we've got to get Al-Qaeda because Al-Qaeda attacked us.

01:05:27.000 Okay, that's understandable.

01:05:28.000 Osama bin Laden's dead.

01:05:29.000 He's been dead for so long.

01:05:30.000 There's only 100 Al-Qaeda members, according to our own intelligence agencies, still in Afghanistan.

01:05:35.000 Why are we there?

01:05:36.000 I think it has a lot more to do with the trillions of dollars of mineral wealth that's there.

01:05:39.000 Again, I think it has a lot more to do with...

01:05:41.000 The geopolitical power and the chessboard of us versus Russia.

01:05:44.000 I mean, the Soviet Union was there back in the 1980s, and we wanted to counter their influence in that region.

01:05:52.000 And again, with Iraq, oil had a lot to do with it as well.

01:05:55.000 The military-industrial complex, war is a racket, as Smedley Butler said.

01:05:58.000 You can make a lot of money going down this road.

01:06:00.000 That Smedley Butler, War is a Racket.

01:06:02.000 Scary.

01:06:03.000 I encourage anyone to read that.

01:06:05.000 That was from 1933, is that what it was?

01:06:07.000 It's old, and he was right.

01:06:08.000 And he was right back then.

01:06:09.000 Yeah, and look at Eisenhower.

01:06:11.000 And that he had these ideas of what war was for, and that really he was just really making things safe for the bankers.

01:06:16.000 That's right.

01:06:17.000 And look at Eisenhower.

01:06:18.000 Eisenhower, a Republican president, when leaving office, warned everybody, look out for the military-industrial complex because people will want to do war because war is a business.

01:06:27.000 So you can actually become very wealthy if you're perpetually in a state of war.

01:06:32.000 I mean, look how much, again, the defense industry in this country, Raytheon, Boeing, Halliburton, there are jobs tied to the defense industry in every state in this country.

01:06:40.000 That makes it so hard, because even if you're nominally anti-war as a politician, you can still say, well, hey, listen, man, I agree, but I don't want the jobs in my district to go away.

01:06:49.000 Right.

01:06:50.000 And that is an issue.

01:06:51.000 That's an issue.

01:06:52.000 Because if you're a politician, that's the last thing you ever want to do. 0.99

01:06:54.000 And have that against you when your opponent is, you know, saying, listen, this asshole pulled out, and this is why you lost all these jobs, and this is why the economy's in this shitter. 0.99

01:07:05.000 I'm going to bring those jobs back. 0.99

01:07:07.000 I'm going to reinvigorate the military.

01:07:09.000 I'm going to do the...

01:07:10.000 And there we go again.

01:07:12.000 And there you go again.

01:07:12.000 Anyway, so the argument in favor of a national direct ballot initiative law, like kind of a direct democracy law.

01:07:19.000 It's a great idea.

01:07:20.000 Thank you. 0.98

01:07:20.000 I love the idea, and I really do think that, even though I take your point, that it's not like the people are always right, but I would say they're way more likely to be right than a bunch of corrupt asshole politicians. 0.98

01:07:31.000 Right, but then you've got to wonder if the corrupt asshole politicians are going to make these propaganda campaigns to support whatever idea would suit them. 0.97

01:07:38.000 We've seen it many times before. 0.99

01:07:40.000 Yeah, you have that.

01:07:40.000 Joe, that's a giant issue.

01:07:41.000 I mean, we've seen that when it comes to...

01:07:44.000 Because most of the time with these direct ballot initiative laws, at the state level, the side that is, in my opinion, better, wins.

01:07:52.000 But sometimes there's propaganda campaigns where they run these totally misleading ads about what's going to happen.

01:07:58.000 I know this happened in one of the states when it came to either recreational weed or legal weed.

01:08:03.000 They ran these misleading ads where they kind of flipped it and made people think, oh, if I vote yes on this, I'm legalizing weed.

01:08:09.000 But it was the other way around.

01:08:10.000 Thank you. 0.98

01:08:10.000 How the fuck do they do that? 0.98

01:08:12.000 That's what I'm saying, is they have all these tricks up their sleeves. 0.99

01:08:14.000 Well, Ohio was the dirtiest one, right, Jamie?

01:08:17.000 What was the deal with Ohio where they were trying to make it legal?

01:08:19.000 When I was here, I don't remember the exact thing, but what I was hearing was that they had it tied up so that only, like, four businesses could do it for, like, forever or something like that.

01:08:27.000 I don't know if it was forever, forever, but, like, for a long, long time.

01:08:30.000 Imagine that, like, you could, it's legal, but you have to buy it from me.

01:08:33.000 You can't even grow it yourself.

01:08:35.000 Like, what?

01:08:35.000 Imagine if they did that with tomatoes.

01:08:37.000 Okay, we're gonna have tomatoes legal in Ohio, but you can only buy them from Bob. 1.00

01:08:41.000 Like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:08:42.000 It's a tomato. 1.00

01:08:43.000 It grows in the ground.

01:08:44.000 How can you stop people from...

01:08:45.000 If it's legal, it's legal.

01:08:47.000 You know, I mean, there's no laws against you growing anything that's legal.

01:08:52.000 Right?

01:08:53.000 Right, yeah.

01:08:54.000 Well, there shouldn't be.

01:08:54.000 There probably are.

01:08:55.000 Are there?

01:08:56.000 Like, some weird rules and regulations on it.

01:08:57.000 Right. 0.99

01:08:58.000 Some sneaky shit just designed for business. 1.00

01:09:00.000 Right. 1.00

01:09:01.000 And that's the thing.

01:09:01.000 That is just rank corruption.

01:09:03.000 You and I both know that the reason that came about is because whoever was in charge of the business that was getting that contract knew the person in government, probably funneled the money for his campaign.

01:09:14.000 And honestly, Joe, that's the root of all the problems.

01:09:16.000 The root of all the problems is the money in politics.

01:09:18.000 It's the corporations.

01:09:19.000 Right.

01:09:20.000 Paying the politicians.

01:09:21.000 It's the billionaires paying the politicians.

01:09:22.000 And if we can have this thing called clean elections, which just means that every election is publicly financed, then in a situation like that you would actually see elections run on competing ideas and philosophies and you wouldn't see elections run on competing special interests.

01:09:36.000 Because right now, you could say, okay, Democrats.

01:09:39.000 Who gives money to Democrats? 0.99

01:09:40.000 Unions give money to Democrats.

01:09:41.000 So that's an issue.

01:09:43.000 Some environmentalist groups give money to Democrats.

01:09:45.000 So I would argue those special interests are a little less scary.

01:09:47.000 But also, I mean, Wall Street and the military-industrial complex also gives to Democrats, not just to Republicans.

01:09:51.000 So you have these competing special interests going at it.

01:09:54.000 And really, you're just trying to determine which group of special interests is going to run the country for the next four years.

01:09:59.000 And it'd be so much better if we have...

01:10:02.000 To have debates with people who just actually flat out disagree with me.

01:10:06.000 If you had me and Ron Paul here and him and I argue about economics because he's a libertarian and I'm not.

01:10:11.000 I believe in social democracy.

01:10:13.000 It would be an awesome conversation.

01:10:14.000 We could actually disagree on the substance and really nail down where we disagree and why and let the people make their mind up.

01:10:20.000 Politics would be beautiful if that was the case. 0.98

01:10:22.000 But what's interesting is it's always going to be dependent upon a single individual personality that people find appealing.

01:10:28.000 I mean, that is tough.

01:10:30.000 This is where we are as a country.

01:10:31.000 Yeah.

01:10:32.000 And when someone gets chopped down, boy, they get chopped down, like Kamala Harris. 0.97

01:10:37.000 When Tulsi Gabbard took her out of the hamstrings, that's a wrap, baby.

01:10:41.000 Tulsi, we salute you for taking down Kamala.

01:10:43.000 I mean, dude, everybody was saying she's the one, she's going to run it.

01:10:46.000 I even thought she would have a stronger run than she did. 0.99

01:10:49.000 And she fell apart.

01:10:51.000 Tulsi made her fall apart.

01:10:53.000 It's fascinating.

01:10:54.000 She just shrunk into the shadows, like, oh! 0.91

01:10:57.000 Oh, and your little dog, too!

01:10:59.000 Just, you know?

01:11:01.000 Did you see the last debate?

01:11:02.000 Because that was like peak...

01:11:04.000 Okay, she's done now.

01:11:05.000 Oh, yeah.

01:11:06.000 Because what was her main issue?

01:11:08.000 It was so hilarious to watch this.

01:11:09.000 Her main issue that she decided, I'm going to take a stand on this in the debate...

01:11:13.000 On Trump with Twitter.

01:11:13.000 ...was she was begging Elizabeth Warren, why don't you support banning Trump from Twitter?

01:11:18.000 I mean, we're talking about two different sets of rules.

01:11:19.000 The most powerful man in the world is violating the terms of service.

01:11:22.000 Why did she think that that was something to hang her hat on?

01:11:28.000 Yeah.

01:11:49.000 The real problem is she never did deny what Tulsi said, and she can't.

01:11:55.000 Oh, about her record and how terrible her record is. 0.72

01:11:58.000 The record was awful.

01:12:00.000 Absolutely. 0.65

01:12:01.000 What she did with schools is the most disgusting. 0.98

01:12:04.000 The truancy thing?

01:12:04.000 Yes, where she threatened single moms with jail if their kids didn't go to school.

01:12:10.000 And she joked around about it at these meetings.

01:12:12.000 She joked around about it in conferences.

01:12:15.000 You know, about how she cleaned it up and she just had cops knocking on the door. 0.97

01:12:21.000 You know, it was disturbing.

01:12:24.000 Yeah.

01:12:24.000 What was even worse is there was somebody who was found not guilty on something.

01:12:29.000 They were wrongfully imprisoned, found not guilty on something when it came back up.

01:12:34.000 And then Kamala Harris didn't let him out and kept him in on the technicality and said, oh, your paperwork wasn't filed in the proper time frame or whatever it was.

01:12:44.000 She did it on purpose herself.

01:12:45.000 She did it herself.

01:12:46.000 Yes, this is the story that broke.

01:12:48.000 And why did she do that? 1.00

01:12:49.000 I don't know.

01:12:50.000 I have no idea.

01:12:51.000 But this is one of the things that Tulsi was shining a spotlight on.

01:12:54.000 One of the things that Tulsi said was they used them for cheap labor for the state of California.

01:12:58.000 And she didn't deny any of that.

01:13:00.000 Because her record is abysmal on this stuff.

01:13:03.000 I mean, there's no defending it.

01:13:05.000 It's amazing that she got to this prominent position without any of that being exposed.

01:13:08.000 And Tulsi exposed it.

01:13:10.000 Just like, click, turn the lights on.

01:13:12.000 Well, look at the Steve Mnuchin thing.

01:13:14.000 This is one that we've known for a while.

01:13:15.000 So Steve Mnuchin was part of Goldman Sachs.

01:13:17.000 He was also the head of One West Bank here in California.

01:13:20.000 And what happened was, during the subprime mortgage crisis and the Great Recession, they were illegally foreclosing on people early and kicking them out of their homes in violation of the law.

01:13:29.000 And so Kamala Harris, you know, it was recommended by her own office, you gotta prosecute this guy. 0.97

01:13:34.000 Look at what he's doing.

01:13:35.000 She didn't do it.

01:13:37.000 Why?

01:13:37.000 Because he's a big Democratic donor and he was giving money to Democrats at the time.

01:13:40.000 Now, by the way, just in case anybody thinks, oh, this is just a partisan issue and only the Democrats are bad...

01:13:45.000 Steve Mnuchin is in the Trump administration.

01:13:46.000 He picked him.

01:13:47.000 He's hilarious.

01:13:48.000 So it's a big club and you ain't in it, is the point to steal from George Carlin. 0.99

01:13:51.000 Remember when his wife was taking all these fucking Instagram photos with all the shit she had on private jets and stuff? 0.99

01:13:58.000 They look like Bond villains, bro! 1.00

01:14:01.000 She had gloves on!

01:14:02.000 They're Bond villains!

01:14:03.000 She's got gloves on! 0.99

01:14:04.000 Holding money with the gloves! 1.00

01:14:05.000 Who the fuck wears those gloves that go down to your elbows? 1.00

01:14:08.000 Bond villains! 1.00

01:14:09.000 Yeah.

01:14:10.000 Thank you.

01:14:10.000 Come on, man.

01:14:11.000 She's holding up money. 0.90

01:14:13.000 She probably feels dirty holding up ones. 0.85

01:14:15.000 Ew. 1.00

01:14:15.000 But the fact that she's wearing those goddamn gloves, like, oh my god. 1.00

01:14:21.000 And the fact that she looks like she should be fucking a football player or something. 1.00

01:14:26.000 She doesn't look like she should be fucking that guy. 1.00

01:14:28.000 He's got a gazillion dollars, so that's why. 0.99

01:14:31.000 Kind of hilarious, right?

01:14:32.000 When you look at the disparity in beauty? 1.00

01:14:35.000 Well, Joe, these are the assholes who really run the economy. 1.00

01:14:38.000 Goldman Sachs really runs the economy. 1.00

01:14:39.000 Goldman Sachs, it was proven that they committed fraud at a massive level.

01:14:43.000 What they would do is...

01:14:44.000 I'm going to order us a coffee if you'd like one.

01:14:46.000 There's something wrong with our coffee machine.

01:14:49.000 So anyway, Steve Mnuchin and Goldman Sachs, it was found that in the lead-up to the subprime mortgage crisis and the Great Recession, here's what they would do, Joe.

01:14:57.000 They would sell to unsuspecting clients these packages, these packages of subprime mortgages, but they were rated AAA. And they would sell them these packages saying, hey man, listen, this is a great long-term investment.

01:15:08.000 It's safe.

01:15:08.000 You're going to make a lot of money.

01:15:09.000 At the same time Goldman Sachs was doing that, They would turn around and bet on those packages that they just sold as if they were awesome.

01:15:16.000 They would bet on those packages to fail.

01:15:18.000 So that's fraud.

01:15:19.000 They were making money in two different ways.

01:15:21.000 I'm going to sell you the package and make money, okay?

01:15:23.000 And then on the other hand, I'm going to bet on this same package I just sold you to fail.

01:15:27.000 That's like a car salesman saying, oh, I'm going to sell you this car and this car works wonderfully.

01:15:31.000 Everything's good.

01:15:32.000 It's an amazing car.

01:15:32.000 Amazing car.

01:15:33.000 Tremendous car.

01:15:34.000 The most unbelievable car.

01:15:35.000 The greatest car the world's ever known.

01:15:36.000 It's the perfect car, really.

01:15:38.000 You got the fingers down.

01:15:40.000 Salesman doing that, Joe.

01:15:42.000 And then the salesman also betting his buddy that that car is going to break down before it gets out of the lot.

01:15:46.000 So these are criminals, Joe.

01:15:47.000 And the thing is, it's Democrats and Republicans who are propping them up.

01:15:50.000 The Wall Street bailout costs $14 trillion.

01:15:52.000 Why is it we could spend money on that, but we can't have an infrastructure deal that gives our country an A-plus infrastructure?

01:15:58.000 I want us to have the number one infrastructure in the world.

01:16:00.000 You had Elon Musk on not too long ago.

01:16:02.000 He's working on this thing called the Hyperloop.

01:16:04.000 The Hyperloop is supposed to be the future of travel where you kind of get in a pod and it's vacuum powered and you can go from New York to LA in like three hours or whatever it is on the ground.

01:16:12.000 Why don't we have that everywhere in this country?

01:16:14.000 Why don't we have bridges that are fixed?

01:16:15.000 Why don't we have awesome roads?

01:16:16.000 Why can't we go to airports and feel national pride and say this airport's absolutely beautiful?

01:16:20.000 Some are beautiful.

01:16:22.000 Detroit actually has an amazing airport.

01:16:24.000 Did you know that?

01:16:25.000 I had no idea, no.

01:16:26.000 Dude, it's like an airport from the future. 0.99

01:16:27.000 Detroit has these fucking interior trams. 0.99

01:16:31.000 Like, you're inside and a train is above you flying by. 1.00

01:16:34.000 You're like, whoa!

01:16:35.000 Whoa, that is kind of crazy. 1.00

01:16:36.000 Santino and I are like, this shit's from the future. 1.00

01:16:38.000 That is kind of crazy. 1.00

01:16:38.000 I had no idea about that, no. 1.00

01:16:40.000 Yeah.

01:16:41.000 But I came from...

01:16:42.000 LaGuardia in New York is not great.

01:16:44.000 Oh, that's the worst.

01:16:45.000 I came from JFK, though, thank you.

01:16:46.000 LaGuardia's number one worst, and number two is LAX. LAX is number two shittiest airport in the country.

01:16:51.000 Yeah, LAX is pretty bad.

01:16:52.000 Well, it's even worse now that they told the Uber guys that everyone has to meet you at, like, a lot. 0.96

01:16:58.000 So people are like, well, fuck Uber, so now everybody's parking in the lots. 0.85

01:17:01.000 Now good luck trying to find a parking spot in the lots. 0.99

01:17:05.000 Dude, it's a disaster.

01:17:07.000 I was flying at a Terminal 2 the other day.

01:17:09.000 I had to park in Terminal 6. Yeah, I almost missed my flight.

01:17:14.000 I had to walk a half an hour.

01:17:15.000 I was running.

01:17:16.000 I had to run to the...

01:17:17.000 Oh my God.

01:17:18.000 Yeah, it's so bad.

01:17:20.000 All of them are blocked up.

01:17:21.000 They have like no more parking spot signs on all of these different lots.

01:17:26.000 This is so outdated, man.

01:17:27.000 Airports in general.

01:17:28.000 It's time to evolve to the next thing.

01:17:31.000 Yeah.

01:17:31.000 You know?

01:17:31.000 Because we're all sick of that.

01:17:33.000 It's a whole day to travel somewhere.

01:17:35.000 Even if it's just a two or three hour flight.

01:17:36.000 Yeah, but if you go to Burbank, it's still smooth as glass.

01:17:39.000 I've never been to that airport.

01:17:41.000 It's one of the higher end.

01:17:43.000 No, it's not higher end. 0.99

01:17:44.000 It's fucking Southwest. 0.98

01:17:46.000 No one goes. 0.99

01:17:47.000 Well, we were saying they should have a fly at your own risk airlines.

01:17:50.000 And actually, I'm stealing a joke from Bill Marcus.

01:17:51.000 He came up with that a while ago.

01:17:52.000 Because when we were coming through TSA, I left Nashville to come here because I was at Politicon there.

01:17:56.000 And we had to wait on this line for TSA. And it was just never ending.

01:18:02.000 And it's like if they just opened up a line and said, Hey, man, listen, plane might get blown up, but go right ahead.

01:18:06.000 I would have taken that option at the time.

01:18:08.000 Do you have TSA pre and clear?

01:18:10.000 No, I don't.

01:18:11.000 Because I don't fly too much.

01:18:12.000 I fly to come see you, and that's it.

01:18:13.000 Oh, that's it?

01:18:14.000 Well, you've got to get clear.

01:18:15.000 Clear is the bomb diggity.

01:18:16.000 You don't have to have ID. Well, there was a line for the pre-check, too!

01:18:20.000 But clear is not pre-check.

01:18:21.000 Oh, okay.

01:18:21.000 That's different.

01:18:22.000 Clear, you pay for it.

01:18:24.000 And you just put your fingers on the little screen.

01:18:26.000 It pulls up a picture.

01:18:27.000 Oh, here's Kyle.

01:18:28.000 And then you go, gone through.

01:18:30.000 When will Joe Rogan get a private jet is my question.

01:18:32.000 Like flat out own one.

01:18:34.000 That seems like.

01:18:36.000 There's a problem with insulation, right?

01:18:38.000 As a celebrity, period.

01:18:41.000 If you're a famous person, you already have a problem being insulated from regular folks.

01:18:46.000 You don't have the same sort of financial problems regular people have.

01:18:49.000 And then you insulate yourself further when people are always trying to get pictures with you and talk to you and they don't let you just be yourself.

01:18:58.000 You can't just hang.

01:18:59.000 So you cross over this weird little area.

01:19:02.000 Soon as you cross over fully, now I have a staff drive me around and I have a private jet. 1.00

01:19:09.000 Who the fuck are you? 0.99

01:19:10.000 Yeah, you're no longer a man of the people. 1.00

01:19:12.000 However, if anybody could pull it off, I think you could if you had a private jet.

01:19:16.000 Everybody would be like, oh cool, Joe has a private jet. 1.00

01:19:17.000 But if some other famous schmuck did it, people would be like, fuck that guy. 1.00

01:19:22.000 I do think you could pull it off. 1.00

01:19:23.000 And also, let's be honest, private jets are so fucking cool if you had a private jet.

01:19:28.000 That'd be so cool.

01:19:28.000 What about the environment man?

01:19:31.000 You can't say anything about the environment man if you have a private jet.

01:19:35.000 I think that, and people always try to do this when it comes to the environment, like, oh, well, what have you done?

01:19:40.000 Are you using a plastic straw?

01:19:41.000 Gotcha.

01:19:42.000 That's like a Kamala thing, you know?

01:19:43.000 But, like, at the same time, there's some insane fact, like, I think it's 76% of global emissions are emitted by, like, 100 companies.

01:19:52.000 So, really, it's not people that are the problems, it's the companies, and they need to be regulated, and we can fix that moving forward.

01:19:59.000 That's a giant, giant percentage of the problem.

01:20:02.000 The little individual steps that people do to minimize their impact on the carbon emissions and the carbon footprint, it's very small in comparison to corporations.

01:20:12.000 That's right.

01:20:12.000 It's very small.

01:20:13.000 It's like pissing in the ocean.

01:20:14.000 You're not going to accomplish anything that way.

01:20:15.000 Yeah, but it's all these gotcha points that people want to point to when it comes to things like plastic straws and this and that.

01:20:22.000 You know what the real issue is?

01:20:23.000 It's not plastic straws.

01:20:24.000 The real issue is how we handle waste.

01:20:27.000 That's the real issue. 0.98

01:20:27.000 How the fuck are the straws getting in the ocean in the first place? 0.98

01:20:30.000 That is kind of crazy. 0.99

01:20:31.000 That's the problem. 0.91

01:20:32.000 What's that garbage patch thing? 0.96

01:20:33.000 I haven't read about this in years, but there's like a freaking giant... 0.88

01:20:37.000 Boyan Slott, who's been on the podcast before, who's a very young guy.

01:20:40.000 I think he's only 21 years old, right?

01:20:42.000 Is he about 20 or 21?

01:20:44.000 He's very young. 0.99

01:20:45.000 And he came up with a machine that is collecting garbage from this garbage patch. 0.98

01:20:50.000 The garbage patch is larger than the state of Texas now. 0.97

01:20:53.000 It's enormous. 1.00

01:20:54.000 It's in the middle of the fucking ocean. 0.98

01:20:55.000 And it's a soup of particles and particulates and all these little half-dissolved pieces of plastic that are just swashing. 0.99

01:21:04.000 And you see a lot of it on the surface, but much of it is actually below the surface.

01:21:08.000 And, you know, fish are eating it and they're filling their bellies and birds eat it.

01:21:12.000 And it's just absolutely disgusting.

01:21:14.000 Alright, we got some coffees here.

01:21:16.000 This is turmeric coffee.

01:21:18.000 Thanks, brother.

01:21:19.000 Does it work now?

01:21:20.000 It's good.

01:21:20.000 Beautiful.

01:21:21.000 Thank you.

01:21:23.000 Let's see if I like turmeric.

01:21:25.000 Is that how you say turmeric?

01:21:27.000 Yeah, it's actually got an R in it.

01:21:28.000 Most people don't know.

01:21:29.000 Because I would have said turmeric.

01:21:30.000 Me too. 1.00

01:21:31.000 Me too, until they installed this fucking machine here. 1.00

01:21:36.000 Pretty good, right? 1.00

01:21:37.000 That is very good.

01:21:38.000 Yeah.

01:21:38.000 That is very good.

01:21:39.000 Little hot, but very good.

01:21:40.000 Yeah.

01:21:40.000 So what's going on here, Jamie?

01:21:41.000 What is this?

01:21:42.000 Is this an illustration of the garbage patch?

01:21:46.000 Yeah.

01:21:47.000 I don't know if this is their new machine, but the Interceptor, I believe is what I've seen in a couple tweets here.

01:21:52.000 They have one currently on the way to the Dominican Republic.

01:21:55.000 Well, if you go to his Boyan's Instagram, he's got photographs and videos of the thing in action.

01:22:03.000 And it's like this giant sort of net collection device.

01:22:08.000 Is this a different one?

01:22:09.000 Is this a different machine?

01:22:10.000 This is a new one.

01:22:11.000 This is from his Twitter.

01:22:12.000 Oh, it is from his Twitter?

01:22:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:22:13.000 Oh, okay.

01:22:15.000 His Instagram, though, has actual photographs instead of animation.

01:22:18.000 Well, I mean, this has it, too.

01:22:19.000 Oh, okay.

01:22:20.000 Yeah, so that's how it works.

01:22:21.000 It's got like this thing and it just scoops them all up.

01:22:24.000 And the idea is that they're going to be able to recycle all of this plastic, which is excellent.

01:22:30.000 Yeah, I think we're at the point now that it's almost like we have no option but to rely on technology.

01:22:36.000 Like we have to develop technology to try to course correct here.

01:22:39.000 Because my buddy was saying that, especially when it comes to climate change, it's like we're so far beyond the point.

01:22:45.000 We're good to go.

01:23:08.000 I mean, the guy who created the nuclear weapon, remember?

01:23:12.000 Yes, yeah.

01:23:12.000 You said that, and I learned this from you, he said, I am become death or something like that.

01:23:17.000 Well, yes, yeah.

01:23:18.000 When he saw the very first, when Oppenheimer saw the very first explosion, the test explosion, he said, I am become death, destroyer of worlds.

01:23:27.000 It's a quote from the Bhagavad Gita. 0.90

01:23:29.000 I mean, that is a fucking terrifying thing to say when you're watching the very first atomic bomb. 0.96

01:23:36.000 We have the ability to destroy the world. 0.98

01:23:39.000 Oh, many times over now.

01:23:40.000 Yeah.

01:23:41.000 I don't think we're ready for that.

01:23:43.000 No, it's where we were talking about earlier today that Kim Jong-un threatened us.

01:23:47.000 I didn't see anything.

01:23:49.000 Yeah, it was on CNN. I didn't see that either, but allow me to say this, Joe, and I might get some shit for this, but I don't care. 0.97

01:23:54.000 This is the one very narrow area where I'd give Trump credit because there's this part of Trump where it's just anti-Obamaism in its most raw form. 0.89

01:24:05.000 Whatever Obama did, I want to do the opposite.

01:24:07.000 Right.

01:24:08.000 And so Obama, well Trump said he said it to him, so I don't know if he actually did, but Obama really wasn't able to get much movement with North Korea, and so Trump felt like, well if I can get some sort of peace deal it would be tremendous, and it'd be amazing, and I would one-up Obama.

01:24:22.000 And so Trump has actually...

01:24:25.000 We're good to go.

01:24:27.000 We're good to go.

01:24:40.000 And by the way, the South Koreans are actually leading the way on that, and they deserve a tremendous amount of credit, and they like the idea that we're not escalating with them.

01:24:48.000 So this is a very rare area, a narrow area, where I want to give them credit.

01:24:52.000 But the thing that drives me crazy, Joe, is I feel like the media, and the Democrats too, and definitely the Republicans, establishment Republicans...

01:25:00.000 They're trying to push him in a more hawkish direction, which makes no sense because it's like here we all admit, oh my god, this guy's kind of thin-skinned and he's kind of crazy and he kind of, you know, flies off the handle and we don't really trust him with a nuclear weapon, but you want him to be more hawkish and more aggressive with Kim Jong-un and more standoffish?

01:25:18.000 Like, they got mad when he announced we're going to stop our military exercises, which are, you know, very antagonistic and done right by North Korea and is done to let them know, like... 0.99

01:25:28.000 We'll fuck you up. 0.96

01:25:29.000 That's the whole point of it, is to let them know. 0.99

01:25:31.000 And Trump's like, well, I don't think they're a good thing.

01:25:33.000 I think they work against peace, so we probably should stop that. 0.99

01:25:36.000 And then he got a bunch of shit because the media was like, well, what did you extract from them by stopping those drills? 0.99

01:25:43.000 What did you get from them as a result of it? 1.00

01:25:44.000 And it's like...

01:25:46.000 You don't need to get anything from them.

01:25:47.000 North Korea, and this is going to blow some people's minds, they are not in any way, shape, or form an offensive threat against the United States.

01:25:54.000 There is a 0% chance that they would, unprovoked, offensively, launch an attack against LA, or New York, or Nebraska, or anywhere.

01:26:02.000 In fact, we know, and it's admitted as much, when you go to the Pentagon, They know he's actually strategically just acting in a defensive way and he wants nuclear weapons as a deterrent to U.S. aggression because this is exactly what happened with Libya where we told Gaddafi after he saw what we did to Saddam Hussein and then we told Gaddafi like give up your nukes and he was like Take him.

01:26:26.000 You have him.

01:26:27.000 And then what happened?

01:26:28.000 We still toppled him anyway.

01:26:30.000 Well, it was the next regime, right?

01:26:32.000 No, it was Gaddafi.

01:26:33.000 Yeah, but I mean, it wasn't...

01:26:35.000 Oh, you're saying it was Obama and it wasn't...

01:26:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:26:36.000 It was Obama.

01:26:37.000 But still, the point is...

01:26:39.000 But the rebels took over, right?

01:26:40.000 Oh, the beautiful rebels.

01:26:42.000 The point is...

01:26:42.000 We didn't have anything to do with that, right?

01:26:43.000 You can't trust the word of the U.S. because we'll just flip it.

01:26:47.000 Did the rebels do it with U.S. aid?

01:26:50.000 Mm-hmm.

01:26:51.000 Yeah.

01:26:52.000 Yeah, and by the way, just like in Syria, like we have now, they're jihadists. 0.79

01:26:55.000 Right, that was the famous Clinton speech.

01:26:58.000 We came, we saw, he died.

01:27:00.000 She's had an interview laughing about it. 0.99

01:27:02.000 That was fucking spooky. 0.98

01:27:03.000 That's one of the dark secrets of U.S. foreign policy, is that we have repeatedly armed jihadists to further our own political goals. 0.99

01:27:12.000 And that happened with Reagan.

01:27:15.000 Back because we wanted to arm the Mujahideen, because they were fighting in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union, so we wanted to arm jihadists then, and of course that became the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.

01:27:27.000 And so that's why, I don't know if you ever saw this, but there are newspapers from the UK, The Independent, the newspaper The Independent, calling Osama bin Laden a freedom fighter.

01:27:35.000 At the time.

01:27:36.000 When was this?

01:27:36.000 This was in the 1980s when they had, or maybe early 1990s, when they had pushed back the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan.

01:27:43.000 There were headlines calling him, you know, a freedom fighter.

01:27:46.000 When he was the head of the Mujahideen.

01:27:47.000 When he was the head of the Mujahideen.

01:27:49.000 Wasn't that where they restructured the idea of jihad?

01:27:53.000 That a jihad was initially supposed to be a battle against your own personal vices.

01:27:59.000 This was how it was interpreted.

01:28:01.000 Yeah, I think it's interpreted in different ways throughout the Muslim world.

01:28:04.000 Look at that.

01:28:05.000 Anti-Soviet warrior puts his army on the road to peace.

01:28:08.000 Okay, that's what I meant.

01:28:09.000 Not freedom fighter.

01:28:10.000 Puts army on the road to peace.

01:28:11.000 Peace fighter.

01:28:12.000 What did you think about Trump's reaction to Baghdadi getting caught?

01:28:18.000 Classic Trump.

01:28:19.000 But the way he did it, he was crying and whimpering.

01:28:22.000 Like, why would he say that? 0.98

01:28:23.000 Well, he was also trying to do a dick measuring contest with Obama.

01:28:26.000 Did you see the speech afterwards?

01:28:28.000 No.

01:28:28.000 He was like, listen, I heard they had problems when it came to Osama Bin Laden, but we handled this.

01:28:33.000 We handled it so beautifully, so amazingly.

01:28:35.000 And the funniest part is, apparently when it actually happened, he was on the golf course.

01:28:39.000 And so after the fact, they decided, oh, we got to have one of those situation room photos like Obama did when Osama Bin Laden was killed.

01:28:46.000 And so they staged the photo.

01:28:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:28:49.000 They look staged as fuck. 0.99

01:28:50.000 They put all the wires there and some of them are not plugged in. 0.99

01:28:54.000 That photo was taken an hour and a half after it happened, apparently.

01:28:57.000 Like, come on, bro!

01:28:58.000 How do they know that for sure?

01:28:59.000 You can pull the metadata out of the photo and find out what it was taken.

01:29:02.000 I mean, the cameraman, he could have not set the camera right, but he should have done that.

01:29:07.000 Oh my god, pull the picture up.

01:29:09.000 Let me see the picture.

01:29:09.000 It's so funny.

01:29:10.000 The picture's so well lit. 0.94

01:29:12.000 That's what's fucked up about it. 0.99

01:29:13.000 It's like they hired fucking Annie Leibovitz to come in and light the room. 0.99

01:29:18.000 It's so funny. 0.99

01:29:19.000 The way it's lit.

01:29:21.000 One picture he's looking at the camera, I think, too.

01:29:23.000 Is he?

01:29:25.000 He's a character, man.

01:29:27.000 There it is.

01:29:28.000 Go full screen on that, please.

01:29:30.000 They can zoom in on the wire, you see one of those not plugged in.

01:29:33.000 Yeah, a lot of them aren't plugged in.

01:29:34.000 But I mean, also, isn't it interesting, too, that they're still using, like, they're using wires?

01:29:40.000 Yeah, I mean, I guess because they have to for security.

01:29:42.000 A better connection, too.

01:29:43.000 Yeah?

01:29:44.000 If you're watching video.

01:29:45.000 Right.

01:29:46.000 So is that HDMI? Like, what are they connected to?

01:29:49.000 Cat5, just for Ethernet, yeah.

01:29:50.000 I mean, those could be different, but that's what it should be.

01:29:52.000 Yeah, like, look how well that's lit.

01:29:54.000 Yeah.

01:29:55.000 I mean, it doesn't even look like they're all really there.

01:29:57.000 It looks fake.

01:29:59.000 It does look kind of weird, that's for sure.

01:30:00.000 But it's funny that, like, at a moment like that, his thought process was like, I have to try to make this as, you know, as amazing as it is, but he feels like he has to go above and beyond to do so, that it can't just be on its own, like, okay, you got the head of ISIS. Congrats. 0.58

01:30:15.000 Look at Mike Pence.

01:30:16.000 He's thinking about writing a book, right there.

01:30:18.000 No, actually, okay, I think that Mike Pence is actually one of the most loyal Trump people.

01:30:26.000 Who's least likely to abandon him.

01:30:28.000 Yeah, but I mean, when Trump is out of office and has a heart attack from all the meth, I think Mike Pence is going to be the guy that writes the book.

01:30:35.000 You think so?

01:30:35.000 I am.

01:30:36.000 I don't know, man.

01:30:37.000 There's something about this guy.

01:30:38.000 So Mike Pence, a lot of people don't know this about Mike Pence, but he credits his career to Rush Limbaugh because he became a talk radio host and he was so inspired by Rush Limbaugh.

01:30:47.000 Mike Pence was a radio host?

01:30:49.000 Yes.

01:30:50.000 Well, look at the difference between him and Obama.

01:30:52.000 That's so funny.

01:30:53.000 Obama's clearly watching something go down.

01:30:56.000 Yeah, that's pretty funny.

01:30:57.000 But, yeah, I think he's going to be super loyal to Trump even after.

01:31:02.000 The other thing that's interesting about the Trump era is, even though he knows how to do relentless offense and not stop attacking Democrats and not stop making his case, what you're finding now is that even the other Republicans are struggling to keep up.

01:31:14.000 As much as Trump wants to defend himself, other Republicans are now shying away from doing it.

01:31:20.000 Right.

01:31:21.000 Well, they feel the walls are closing in.

01:31:23.000 They do, but what's interesting is...

01:31:26.000 Like, I think there's basically a 0% chance he'll get impeached in the sense that he actually gets out of office.

01:31:32.000 You think he'll get impeached, but you don't think he'll be removed from office?

01:31:35.000 I think, I actually don't even know if he'll get impeached, so I don't even know if it could get through the House, but there is a chance it gets through the House, I'll put that at 50-50, so he can get impeached through the House, but he needs, you need 20 Republican votes in the Senate to get him out of office, and that's not happening.

01:31:50.000 Right.

01:31:51.000 That's just not happening.

01:31:51.000 It's not possible.

01:31:52.000 Not for this.

01:31:53.000 What's that?

01:31:54.000 I would argue probably not for 99.9% of things.

01:31:57.000 Maybe there's some unforeseen scenario that I can't think of at the moment that for some reason would make them flip on him, but he can almost do anything and get away with it.

01:32:06.000 What's fascinating is how Democrats are so invested in the idea of him being removed that they're saying it as if it was a fact.

01:32:15.000 Well, yeah, because we have...

01:32:17.000 It's like narrative wars.

01:32:19.000 You have the one side, they have their narrative about how he's guilty on all these things, and it's not even an open question anymore.

01:32:25.000 He should be impeached.

01:32:26.000 He should have been impeached a year ago.

01:32:27.000 And then there's the other side of it, which is just like...

01:32:31.000 I think?

01:32:48.000 When it's not, like, it's not going to come to fruition.

01:32:50.000 If you're spending all your time talking about how he's going to get out of office, he's going to be impeached, that's just a pipe dream. 0.78

01:32:56.000 Do you remember, what the fuck's the guy's name, the GQ guy who had the basement show, the resistance? 0.96

01:33:02.000 Oh, Keith Olbermann. 0.99

01:33:02.000 Yes. 0.99

01:33:03.000 The most insufferable dude on the planet, man. 0.99

01:33:06.000 So self-righteous, so smug. 0.98

01:33:09.000 See, that's the problem in the Trump era is that Trump's a dingbat and everybody knows it, but he's not pretending to be holier than thou. 0.72

01:33:15.000 Whereas a guy like Keith Olbermann is pretending to be holier than thou.

01:33:19.000 And he puts on this, you know, this smug act and he starts yelling at everybody and it's like, you know that you don't even want to be yelling right now.

01:33:24.000 Reel it in a little bit, man.

01:33:26.000 Pump your brakes, dawg. 0.71

01:33:27.000 Pump your brakes.

01:33:28.000 You know you don't want to be doing that.

01:33:29.000 But his last broadcast, he was saying that he- My job is done!

01:33:32.000 His work is done, and that it's days before Trump gets removed from office, and that was at least two years ago, right?

01:33:40.000 And that's the other thing, is that there's so much- Wasn't it?

01:33:42.000 When was his last show?

01:33:44.000 Keith Olbermann's last...

01:33:45.000 It was a while ago.

01:33:46.000 It was in a basement with like a cardboard backdrop. 0.99

01:33:50.000 It's just like a fucking Ikea table. 0.99

01:33:52.000 And he had some notes. 0.99

01:33:54.000 And that's why, Joe, I think that my show is growing is because, you know, it's so easy to be anti-Trump, but you have to be anti-Trump with intelligent reasons.

01:34:05.000 And so my arguments against him are always policy-based.

01:34:09.000 Like...

01:34:10.000 There it is.

01:34:11.000 There you go.

01:34:11.000 Olbermann retires from...

01:34:12.000 2017. It's almost exactly two years.

01:34:16.000 Almost...

01:34:16.000 They don't understand how much of a self-own this is and how this actually pushes people to the right.

01:34:20.000 But whenever you say something's going to happen that has not happened, I mean, goddamn, with something as important as removing the president from office, boy, you gotta be right about that. 0.91

01:34:31.000 There will be no day of reckoning on that, and I promise you. 0.93

01:34:33.000 And I know that because, remember the whole Russiagate thing?

01:34:36.000 The first time I was on the podcast, I did a rant about the Russiagate thing where I predicted they're not gonna get him on collusion.

01:34:41.000 It's not gonna happen.

01:34:42.000 It's not gonna happen.

01:34:42.000 Right.

01:34:43.000 I was right.

01:34:43.000 Jimmy Dore was right.

01:34:45.000 Some others were right.

01:34:46.000 I swear to God, the day after we were proven right, there was no...

01:34:48.000 In my opinion, you are the most reasonable of all political reporters.

01:34:54.000 You make the most sense to me. 1.00

01:34:56.000 I've never watched one of your shows where I'm like, this guy's out of his fucking mind. 0.90

01:34:59.000 I really appreciate you saying that. 0.99

01:35:00.000 It's true.

01:35:01.000 You're a normal person.

01:35:03.000 And you call things the way you see them and you're informed.

01:35:07.000 And that is so rare, man. 0.99

01:35:09.000 And even the fact that you're able to give props to Trump's ridiculous shit and say that it's funny. 1.00

01:35:15.000 We all know it's funny. 1.00

01:35:16.000 Yeah.

01:35:16.000 But sometimes you're not supposed to say it's funny.

01:35:18.000 But the people with the sticks up their asses, they're only hurting themselves when they don't admit that. 0.99

01:35:22.000 Right. 0.99

01:35:22.000 When, no matter what it is, they're like, I'm so offended! 0.99

01:35:25.000 He had some recently where we were laughing really hard.

01:35:29.000 It wasn't the Jussie Smollett thing.

01:35:31.000 It was something after that.

01:35:33.000 It was something after that.

01:35:35.000 By the way, I watched Alien Covenant the other day.

01:35:37.000 I didn't know that Jussie Smollett, he was in that.

01:35:41.000 The Chappelle bit on that is so funny.

01:35:43.000 Oh my god, it was amazing.

01:35:44.000 So funny.

01:35:45.000 It was amazing.

01:35:46.000 That dude has to live with that forever. 0.70

01:35:47.000 When you get taken down by Dave motherfucking Chappelle, this is one of the top three comedians of all time dedicated 10 minutes to you. 0.91

01:35:58.000 And they're trying to act like... 0.95

01:35:59.000 There's this movement now to try to act like, oh, he's only accepted now by conservatives.

01:36:04.000 But that's just not true.

01:36:05.000 Oh, with Chappelle?

01:36:06.000 With Dave Chappelle.

01:36:06.000 Isn't that hilarious?

01:36:07.000 Because they're trying to make that a thing, but it's just not.

01:36:09.000 It's just not true. 0.81

01:36:10.000 It's nonsense.

01:36:11.000 Well, this is the problem with woke culture.

01:36:15.000 It's...

01:36:16.000 It's reductionist and it's delusional.

01:36:19.000 It's not real.

01:36:21.000 And they're trying to push this narrative as if they're echo chambers, whether it's their blogs or their Twitter groups where they have these banned groups where they ban people that haven't even interacted with them.

01:36:33.000 And they're interacting with people in this bubble and they believe that this is how the world thinks.

01:36:38.000 That's how you get something like that Rotten Tomatoes review of Dave Chappelle's where it got 0% by 5 woke critics.

01:36:46.000 Then they release it to the general public.

01:36:48.000 It gets 99%.

01:36:49.000 There you go. 0.99

01:36:50.000 And it's also this spring back effect where people know you're fucking with them. 0.99

01:36:54.000 And then they go, oh, okay. 1.00

01:36:56.000 Well, you guys are assholes. 1.00

01:36:57.000 So the people that are saying that Dave Chappelle's special is bad, they become the enemy. 1.00

01:37:02.000 So Dave becomes the hero.

01:37:03.000 And then even if you didn't like it, you're going to say you loved it.

01:37:06.000 Yeah, and the other thing is, they act like he's always been politically incorrect.

01:37:12.000 Look at Chappelle's show, which was, you know, I was in high school, we all watched the Chappelle's show, and I thought it was like the most brilliant thing ever.

01:37:19.000 And the idea that he ever crosses some sort of a line...

01:37:23.000 That's Dave Chappelle!

01:37:24.000 The whole point is to cross the line!

01:37:26.000 That's the whole point of it!

01:37:27.000 He's a perpetual line stepper since day one.

01:37:29.000 That's why he's so funny.

01:37:30.000 What did you say, Jamie?

01:37:31.000 The Greenland thing?

01:37:32.000 Where you wanted to buy Greenland?

01:37:33.000 Oh, that was it!

01:37:35.000 That's right!

01:37:35.000 Where he put the Trump hotel in the middle of Greenland.

01:37:38.000 I promise I'm not going to do this.

01:37:40.000 Come on, man.

01:37:41.000 I know.

01:37:41.000 First of all, the buying the Greenland thing is a great move if global warming is real.

01:37:46.000 If that becomes a part of the United States, then you can go up there.

01:37:49.000 You don't have to worry about it.

01:37:50.000 Well, they say, I think that they want rights, not to Greenland, but also there's a movement in the Arctic.

01:37:56.000 Right there.

01:37:56.000 I promise not to do this to Greenland.

01:37:58.000 Come on. 1.00

01:37:59.000 That shit is hilarious. 1.00

01:38:00.000 That is pretty funny. 1.00

01:38:01.000 But you've got to click on it, though, Jamie, so you can get...

01:38:04.000 I couldn't...

01:38:04.000 I just found a picture real quick.

01:38:05.000 Joe, they want to do, like, oil drilling now in the Arctic and shit. 0.98

01:38:07.000 He doesn't say Trump in that photo. 0.99

01:38:08.000 You know how Twitter is.

01:38:09.000 They only give you, like, three quarters of the picture.

01:38:11.000 Yeah, they want to do oil drilling.

01:38:13.000 Mm-hmm.

01:38:13.000 Yeah.

01:38:14.000 But, I mean, I just...

01:38:17.000 The whole global warming is terrifying to me.

01:38:20.000 The whole climate change thing is terrifying to me.

01:38:23.000 But what's more terrifying, I think, than anything...

01:38:26.000 That is a hilarious picture.

01:38:28.000 That is funny.

01:38:28.000 What's more terrifying than anything is that some people are resisting it, and it's become politicized, and some people are just buying whole hog into anything that gets said that supports climate change or supports the concept of climate change.

01:38:46.000 And that we've gotten into this thing where it's an ideologically based sort of subject.

01:38:51.000 Okay.

01:38:52.000 Can I try to frame it in a way that I hope I can convince some conservatives watching this?

01:38:55.000 Yes.

01:38:55.000 Because I would love to have the chance to do that.

01:38:59.000 So what I would say to them is, first of all, there's a lot of issues that you care about that this will impact.

01:39:04.000 So there was a report that came out about a year ago which found that basically large swaths of the Middle East will be uninhabitable at a certain point because it would just be too hot for human beings to live there.

01:39:15.000 Well, we were talking about that yesterday. 0.93

01:39:16.000 They have Saudi Arabia in summer, where a lot of people from Saudi Arabia come over to L.A. during the summer because our summer ain't shit compared to theirs. 1.00

01:39:24.000 And that's the thing is, you think there's a refugee crisis when it comes to what's happening in South America. 0.97

01:39:30.000 You think there's a refugee crisis in Europe when it came to what happened in Syria and Iraq.

01:39:34.000 You ain't seen nothing yet.

01:39:36.000 So if you're somebody who fancies yourself against immigration or a hardliner on immigration or against helping refugees or whatever it might be, just think about what happens when you multiply what's happening now by a thousand.

01:39:50.000 Because that's what's going to happen at some point.

01:39:52.000 It's just a matter of when.

01:39:53.000 And the other point I would make to them is this.

01:39:57.000 People like to make fun of the Green New Deal and try to pick it apart.

01:40:02.000 What if...

01:40:27.000 When we talk about the Green New Deal, we're highlighting the fact that, yes, we're going to move towards renewable and green technology.

01:40:33.000 Yes, that's going to be a large part of what we're doing, but the whole point, guys, is millions and millions of jobs created for regular people.

01:40:40.000 The whole point is to improve this country, to fix this country, to try to make it so that our infrastructure is better than the rest of the world.

01:40:47.000 What if instead of looking at this as like, oh my god, this is going to be such a drain on the economy and what's going to happen to the deficit?

01:40:55.000 How about you look at this like an economic opportunity?

01:40:57.000 Because what's going to happen in the future, Joe?

01:40:59.000 There's inevitable patents that are waiting to be had for all these green and renewable technologies.

01:41:04.000 We could lead the world on that front, or we could lag behind Russia. 0.88

01:41:08.000 We could lag behind China.

01:41:09.000 We could lag behind everybody else and be stuck in what would effectively be a stone age.

01:41:13.000 So how would they encourage this...

01:41:16.000 Industry to flourish.

01:41:17.000 Would it be subsidies?

01:41:19.000 What do you do to get these industries to innovate and to pump a shitload of money into green technology?

01:41:26.000 It has to do with government contracts.

01:41:28.000 It has to do with, I mean, first and foremost, before we even do the right thing, you have to stop doing the wrong thing, which is stop giving $4 billion a year every year as a subsidy to ExxonMobil.

01:41:37.000 And they hilariously say, oh, they need this money because it's for research and development.

01:41:41.000 No, it's not.

01:41:42.000 They don't need it for research and development.

01:41:43.000 They're one of the most profitable corporations on the planet.

01:41:44.000 They could do their own research and development.

01:41:46.000 So stop subsidizing fossil fuels.

01:41:48.000 And then, yes, what we need to do is invest in a variety of different things that show a little bit of promise.

01:41:53.000 Some things won't work.

01:41:54.000 Some things will work.

01:41:56.000 And then we move forward from there.

01:41:57.000 And so that's where you could get the hyperloop all around this country.

01:41:59.000 What if all this stuff was built and brought about because we did a massive investment in a Green New Deal? 0.58

01:42:05.000 Mm-hmm.

01:42:05.000 Then everybody would talk about how it's a wonderful thing and how we're finally leading the world and in our rightful place.

01:42:10.000 I find it hilarious that guys like Trump and guys like Joe Biden, by the way, love to say, like, there's nothing this country can't do.

01:42:16.000 And then in the next sentence, they go on to tell you a thousand things that they think we can't do and that we shouldn't do and we shouldn't even try.

01:42:22.000 Well, what technologies have you heard, if any, that...

01:42:26.000 Are being even proposed to mitigate global warming or climate change?

01:42:30.000 Is there anything?

01:42:31.000 There's the classic ones that I think are more effective than people give it credit for.

01:42:35.000 Like solar is one that's effective that people, I don't think it gets its due.

01:42:39.000 But then there's other things like thorium. 0.99

01:42:41.000 Now, let me just say, I'm not talking about a thorium car because there was a car that was proposed and it apparently was total bullshit. 0.98

01:42:46.000 They couldn't make a thorium car work. 0.92

01:42:48.000 What is thorium?

01:42:49.000 Thorium is basically, the way it's been described to me is nuclear energy without the downside of like it could melt down and destroy everything.

01:42:56.000 That's the way it's been described to me.

01:42:58.000 So a nuclear-powered car.

01:43:00.000 No, not a car.

01:43:00.000 We're talking about power for the energy grid.

01:43:03.000 Why not?

01:43:03.000 Why not a nuclear powered car?

01:43:05.000 Well, the thorium story that everybody got pissed over was because they were trying to make it seem like it was right around the corner or they had the plans and it just wasn't and those people were full of shit. 0.99

01:43:13.000 But that doesn't mean thorium is bad and totally off the table. 0.99

01:43:16.000 It just means that that specific car they were talking about was nonsense.

01:43:19.000 But if you have thorium reactors, it's basically like meltdown proof nuclear facility.

01:43:24.000 That's how it's been described. 1.00

01:43:25.000 Now, I'm an idiot. 0.90

01:43:26.000 I have no idea how far off we are from actually developing that. 0.99

01:43:29.000 But I do know that we need to invest in this and other things that show Potential!

01:43:34.000 I mean, that's the only way to move forward.

01:43:35.000 The nuclear thing is very interesting, right?

01:43:37.000 Because a lot of the technology that's a problem today, like what happened in Fukushima, is old nuclear technology.

01:43:43.000 Well...

01:43:44.000 Old technology that they can't really shut down.

01:43:46.000 But they've mitigated a lot of those issues, apparently.

01:43:48.000 When you talk to people that are pro-nuclear, when they talk about the future of nuclear power, they're like, look, we have systems that have all this redundancy in place.

01:43:56.000 You can shut them down.

01:43:57.000 They're much safer than the things that they constructed essentially in the 70s and the 60s.

01:44:02.000 I'm skeptical on that point.

01:44:03.000 Yeah.

01:44:22.000 We're good to go.

01:44:41.000 Right.

01:44:42.000 And solar is a big one, particularly in places like Los Angeles.

01:44:45.000 But with solar, you also need batteries.

01:44:47.000 And the battery technology apparently is not as good as would need to be in place in order to power an entire city like L.A. Even though we have sun almost every day of the year.

01:44:58.000 You know, like bright sun, very few clouds almost every day of the year.

01:45:01.000 It's so nice.

01:45:02.000 It's very nice.

01:45:02.000 I love it, right?

01:45:03.000 I know.

01:45:03.000 You come over here, you're like, ooh.

01:45:04.000 I know.

01:45:05.000 I'm like, because now in New York, it's, you know, you're finally getting cold.

01:45:08.000 Cold. 0.99

01:45:08.000 Oh, shitty. 0.99

01:45:10.000 I'm going there on Thursday. 0.98

01:45:11.000 I'm excited.

01:45:11.000 Dude, you'll notice this too, and you've been there before, but you don't even realize it's impacting your mood until you come here in October, November, December, January.

01:45:22.000 I noticed when I lived here, when I first lived here, when I first moved here from New York.

01:45:25.000 It was amazing.

01:45:25.000 Yeah.

01:45:25.000 Me and my friend Gary were like, look at this.

01:45:27.000 This is crazy.

01:45:28.000 Look outside. 0.99

01:45:29.000 It's fucking so sunny. 1.00

01:45:30.000 It's fucking January, man. 1.00

01:45:32.000 It's fucking January. 1.00

01:45:32.000 I don't think I have seasonal depression, but I definitely have a worse mood in the winter and in the late fall. 1.00

01:45:39.000 Oh yeah, that is seasonal depression.

01:45:41.000 That's less depressed than you could be, but it's definitely not as up as you would be if it was nice out.

01:45:48.000 The sun just gives you energy.

01:45:49.000 You want to do stuff.

01:45:50.000 You want to be productive.

01:45:51.000 But you also get spoiled.

01:45:53.000 It's like the equivalent of being a weather-based trust fund baby.

01:45:57.000 That's a great point.

01:45:58.000 That's a great point.

01:45:59.000 It's like you always have money so you don't worry about money.

01:46:01.000 Well, if you grew up poor and you felt the sting of poverty and you didn't know where your next meal was coming from and you had to work really hard, then when you make some money, you feel great.

01:46:11.000 But if you always had money, you're spoiled.

01:46:22.000 That's California.

01:46:35.000 That's very true.

01:46:36.000 If your car gets stuck on the side of the road, you've got to help each other.

01:46:38.000 Like, it's different.

01:46:39.000 It's a different feel. 0.99

01:46:40.000 Even in a place like New York City, there's a bond that happens when everyone's collectively dealing with some shit, particularly some nature shit. 0.99

01:46:47.000 Yeah, I've heard you say that you think, you know, my Northeastern people are harder. 0.99

01:46:51.000 They're harder people.

01:46:52.000 Yeah.

01:46:52.000 Yeah, but it's also, they're the children of more direct and recent immigrants, and the atmosphere that those immigrants have created, right?

01:47:00.000 Like, my parents were second generation, right?

01:47:03.000 My grandparents were first generation.

01:47:04.000 They came over from Italy and Ireland.

01:47:06.000 That's me too.

01:47:06.000 My grandma on my mom's side, Italian.

01:47:08.000 So all those people, they came over. 1.00

01:47:11.000 They were fucking savages, basically. 1.00

01:47:13.000 They hopped on a boat. 1.00

01:47:14.000 They didn't even have a video to look at, these fucking people. 1.00

01:47:17.000 No, they can't YouTube it or Google it. 0.99

01:47:18.000 They just took a crazy chance in hopping on a boat and coming over here from Europe, right? 0.97

01:47:23.000 They land on the shores, and they live in these immigrant communities.

01:47:26.000 You know, they're all walking down the street to buy bread from this guy and sauce from that guy, and they're all...

01:47:31.000 They're all eating Italian food because they're all Italian.

01:47:33.000 They're living in these Italian neighborhoods. 0.99

01:47:35.000 And everybody's like fucking struggling, hardcore. 0.98

01:47:38.000 And they have this hard-ass attitude of the kind of people that would be willing to take a boat ride across the country. 0.98

01:47:44.000 One of the things you realize when you go to Italy versus Italians in America, Italians in Italy are more relaxed.

01:47:52.000 Well, it's all in Europe, from what I've heard, because I've actually been to Canada, and I've been to U.S. territory, Puerto Rico.

01:47:58.000 I've never been to Europe yet, okay?

01:48:00.000 And I've heard, it's like, it's a totally different culture.

01:48:03.000 In the middle of the day, they'll just drop everything they're doing, and everybody goes and eats and takes a nap and relaxes a little bit.

01:48:08.000 Dude, Italy is so relaxing.

01:48:10.000 The food is sensational, and the weather never sucks.

01:48:13.000 I like the idea of that, but if you actually put me in that environment, I'm so used to going, going, going, going, going all the time that I might actually be like, this is weird and crazy.

01:48:23.000 Yeah, you hate it.

01:48:23.000 You'd go crazy.

01:48:24.000 Which is weird because I love the idea.

01:48:26.000 I think, for example, the U.S. is the only developed country in the world that doesn't have paid vacation time by law.

01:48:31.000 Yes.

01:48:32.000 Like, in other countries, you might get, like, a month off in August or whatever, and you do whatever you want, and you're paid.

01:48:36.000 Here, we don't have that.

01:48:37.000 I definitely support an idea like that, but I do wonder how I'd react to that, like, big chunk of the middle of the day missing, you don't work during that middle of the day.

01:48:44.000 I do wonder how I'd react to...

01:48:46.000 I think a four-day workweek is probably a good idea, though.

01:48:48.000 I like that idea.

01:48:49.000 It is a great idea.

01:48:50.000 Three days off, four days on is the right move.

01:48:53.000 Bernie, if you're listening...

01:48:55.000 I hope Bernie's listening.

01:48:56.000 You think he's listening?

01:48:57.000 He had a heart attack recently.

01:48:58.000 He's taking a nap right now himself.

01:48:59.000 Okay, but we have to say though, and this is incredible, right before I came in here, I looked and there's a new poll that came out of New Hampshire, a CNN poll nonetheless.

01:49:08.000 He's now Is he?

01:49:11.000 But that's because he's from Vermont.

01:49:12.000 No, no, no, but he was down before.

01:49:14.000 Oh, yeah?

01:49:14.000 And he's leading now.

01:49:15.000 And furthermore, an Emerson poll came out.

01:49:17.000 He went up five points post heart attack.

01:49:20.000 Five points he went up.

01:49:21.000 Post heart attack?

01:49:22.000 Post heart attack.

01:49:22.000 They feel bad for him.

01:49:23.000 No.

01:49:23.000 Who are they polling?

01:49:24.000 People in hospitals?

01:49:24.000 No, I'm telling you, man.

01:49:25.000 I'm telling you.

01:49:25.000 You know how you always say about adversity?

01:49:27.000 Like, oh, if you overcome adversity.

01:49:29.000 Yes.

01:49:30.000 He's like the prime example of that.

01:49:32.000 Because I know people in his campaign, and they were telling me that literally the day of, by the end of the day, he was like, okay, I'm feeling much better.

01:49:38.000 Let's go.

01:49:39.000 That sounds like wishful thinking.

01:49:41.000 I mean, that's what they were telling me was happening.

01:49:43.000 Kyle, I love you.

01:49:44.000 You're a great guy.

01:49:45.000 That sounds like wishful thinking.

01:49:46.000 And I love Bernie, and I had him in here, and I really enjoyed talking to him, and thanks to you, because you set that up. 0.99

01:49:51.000 But when you have a fucking heart attack, your body's telling you something. 0.99

01:49:56.000 Your body's telling you, hey, man. 0.99

01:49:58.000 You need to stop redlining this engine.

01:50:01.000 They're making him roll back some events a little bit, and he's reeled it in a solid 15%.

01:50:05.000 They need to get him on steroids. 1.00

01:50:07.000 Imagine him getting jacked.

01:50:09.000 Get him on the juice. 1.00

01:50:10.000 Get him on the shit Trump's on. 1.00

01:50:12.000 Steroids and some form of amphetamine. 1.00

01:50:16.000 He's already doing a thousand rallies a day.

01:50:18.000 It'd be hilarious.

01:50:19.000 He should have vitamin drips all day long.

01:50:20.000 They should give him a vitamin drip in the morning, a vitamin drip in the afternoon. 1.00

01:50:24.000 Just change his fucking diet. 1.00

01:50:25.000 I don't know what he's eating, but it doesn't look like he's eating the right stuff. 1.00

01:50:28.000 I think now he's on a very regimented thing.

01:50:31.000 Yeah, got a nutritionist.

01:50:32.000 Not for nothing.

01:50:33.000 Blood work.

01:50:33.000 Did you see the debate right after the heart attack?

01:50:35.000 Yes.

01:50:35.000 Because he looked so much better.

01:50:36.000 He did.

01:50:37.000 It's crazy.

01:50:38.000 It's like he knocked something loose.

01:50:39.000 That's right.

01:50:40.000 I didn't know I was being held back, Joe.

01:50:42.000 I had a bum artery.

01:50:43.000 Yeah, he really did have a bum artery, right?

01:50:46.000 He got a stent put in it.

01:50:47.000 But the thing that's so amazing is that he's, and Killer Mike, who you also had on the podcast, who I absolutely love, he said it best.

01:50:52.000 He said, this is the only candidate in my lifetime who's taking Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s philosophy and trying to run it across the finish line.

01:50:59.000 Yeah, Mike loves him, and I love Mike.

01:51:00.000 So, I mean, I think the whole thing about him that worries people is just his health and his age.

01:51:07.000 And then there's people that want to label him as a wacky socialist.

01:51:10.000 But when he explains his positions outside of that whole debate environment where you only have 30 seconds to scream...

01:51:17.000 Right.

01:51:18.000 And there's a difference, Joe, between socialism and social democracy.

01:51:22.000 And social democracy is Scandinavia.

01:51:24.000 That's all it is.

01:51:25.000 So it's saying, hey, we're not totally scrapping capitalism.

01:51:28.000 We're not going to have everything government-run.

01:51:29.000 All we're saying is, let's catch up to the rest of the developed world when it comes to single-payer health care.

01:51:34.000 So everybody gets health care.

01:51:35.000 Everybody gets college.

01:51:36.000 We're going to abolish student loan debt.

01:51:38.000 We're going to have fair wages for everybody.

01:51:39.000 So nobody's working full-time and living in poverty.

01:51:42.000 And when you explain this, like you just said, when you explain this to everybody, they're like, I can't believe I thought I ever disliked this guy. 0.56

01:51:49.000 Well, all those things are as fucking reasonable as you can get.

01:51:52.000 And if you're gonna have a community, which is essentially what a country is, right? 0.67

01:51:56.000 We're a community.

01:51:57.000 We've gotta take care of each other.

01:51:58.000 What's the best way to take care of each other?

01:52:00.000 Well, let's support each other so that if something comes up, some sort of a catastrophic health crisis, you're covered.

01:52:07.000 We cover you.

01:52:08.000 We love you.

01:52:08.000 We are a community.

01:52:09.000 If you have a heart attack, if you've got a this, you got a that, you need a leg fixed, whatever the fuck it is, you're covered for that. 0.99

01:52:15.000 Okay. 0.99

01:52:16.000 Well, maybe we shouldn't cripple you with debt when you're 17 years old and you don't understand what the fuck you're doing and we get you involved in this ridiculous system where you can never get Out of it, even if you go bankrupt, you still owe that money forever. 0.96

01:52:29.000 We're at a point right now in this country where people who have Social Security, they're on Social Security, they're getting money from their Social Security taken out because they owe student loans. 0.99

01:52:38.000 If that's not the most desperate and gross fucking feeling in the world. 0.99

01:52:42.000 Disgusting. 1.00

01:52:43.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:52:44.000 And we have some weird, creepy coalition.

01:52:47.000 I mean, there's some creepy agreement that they have with these financial institutions and these educational institutions where they're essentially financially imprisoning young kids at an early age.

01:53:02.000 And people say, whoa, you shouldn't make that decision.

01:53:04.000 You shouldn't make that decision and put yourself in debt like that.

01:53:07.000 Okay, that's great.

01:53:08.000 But that's a very unscientific issue.

01:53:13.000 Because you're talking about someone whose brain isn't even fully formed.

01:53:15.000 Right, yeah. 1.00

01:53:16.000 Your frontal lobe, you're not even a fucking real human until you're 25 years old. 0.97

01:53:20.000 So let me, I want to address, because I can, some people are going to hear what I just said about, you know, Medicare for All, single-payer healthcare, and they're going to say, yeah, but how are we going to pay for it? 0.98

01:53:29.000 Because that's the common one that people bring up.

01:53:31.000 Now let me address that, because that's a really important question.

01:53:33.000 And usually when you actually substantively address it, people go, oh, okay, that makes a lot more sense.

01:53:37.000 How are they going to pay it?

01:53:38.000 So, very simply put, the way the system works right now, it costs more than if we had Medicare for All.

01:53:44.000 Why is that?

01:53:45.000 Because we have an unnecessary for-profit middleman that essentially acts like a mafia.

01:53:50.000 So what we're saying is, I'm going to remove that mafia from around your neck, and you're going to...

01:53:56.000 It's basically...

01:53:56.000 What is that mafia you're referring to?

01:53:58.000 That mafia is the for-profit health insurance company.

01:54:00.000 So they have to take their cut as the middleman between you and your doctor.

01:54:04.000 Okay?

01:54:05.000 If we just remove that, have the government at no profit margin be the single insurer, that's what a single payer means, they're the single insurer, then we actually end up saving $5 trillion over the course of 10 years.

01:54:16.000 And that's not Kyle Kalinske talking, that's a detailed study from the University of Massachusetts Amherst. 0.98

01:54:22.000 Now, that's a liberal fucking place. 0.98

01:54:24.000 So what do you do when you have all these insurance companies? 0.99

01:54:28.000 Like, what happens to those insurance companies?

01:54:30.000 What happens to all those jobs?

01:54:31.000 What happens to all that money?

01:54:33.000 The insurance companies go away.

01:54:35.000 Go away.

01:54:36.000 You mean the businesses go under. 0.99

01:54:38.000 So you kill those businesses.

01:54:39.000 If I say, you're not allowed to cut your lawn, okay, unless... 0.79

01:54:46.000 Let's say the guy wants to charge you $100.

01:54:48.000 I say, no, Joe.

01:54:50.000 I'm going to be the one who pays the person who cuts your lawn. 1.00

01:54:52.000 You have to give me $200.

01:54:54.000 Okay.

01:54:55.000 So if somebody came along and said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:54:58.000 Hey, middleman guy, we're going to get rid of you.

01:55:00.000 And Joe, you want to cut your lawn?

01:55:01.000 Give that guy $100 and you're all set.

01:55:02.000 Okay.

01:55:03.000 Wouldn't you say, well, that makes sense.

01:55:06.000 The middleman guy, he can piss off.

01:55:08.000 Because that's the way I look at it.

01:55:10.000 The reality is when people argue for choice in health insurance, look at it like this.

01:55:14.000 Would you say, hey man, don't take away my choice when it comes to picking my firefighter?

01:55:20.000 People are like, what do you mean?

01:55:21.000 No, the way it works is there's a fire, and you get help.

01:55:24.000 End of discussion.

01:55:25.000 They will come.

01:55:26.000 You don't say, whoa, whoa, whoa, I want to pick my fire department.

01:55:29.000 Well, this is the same thing with healthcare.

01:55:31.000 You're going to be able to pick your doctor, that's perfectly fine, but the idea of you'll have your choice between insurance companies, that's like saying, do you want the Irish mafia ripping you off, or the Italian mafia ripping you off, or the Jewish mafia ripping you off?

01:55:43.000 Go ahead, I'm giving you choice.

01:55:44.000 Right, right.

01:55:45.000 In some areas, the idea of choice is fundamentally absurd.

01:55:49.000 It's like saying, well, let's shut off the road system instead of being public.

01:55:54.000 Let's have it privately run.

01:55:55.000 And you could make a left on that road, make a left on that road, or make a right on that road.

01:55:59.000 Don't take away my choice of road.

01:56:01.000 I want to pay for that one or that one or that one.

01:56:02.000 No!

01:56:03.000 It's all there.

01:56:04.000 It's all free at the point of service.

01:56:05.000 And this is the whole idea of having a public utility.

01:56:07.000 This is the whole idea of having something that's off the table in a civilized society.

01:56:11.000 Right.

01:56:11.000 And again, what the studies show is, it actually saves money.

01:56:14.000 So the real question people should be asking is, how can we afford to keep having the system that we have right now?

01:56:20.000 Because we pay more than the rest of the developed world, and we have 30,000 to 45,000 Americans that die every year because they don't have access to basic healthcare, and we have 500,000 people who go bankrupt as a result of medical bills.

01:56:32.000 So what you're saying is that it would abolish insurance companies, essentially?

01:56:37.000 Mm-mm.

01:56:38.000 So there is one caveat to that, and that caveat is what's called supplemental health insurance.

01:56:43.000 So what that means is, if there's something that Joe Rogan likes that's a medical procedure that isn't scientifically proven yet, but it's still something that you like, there would be private health insurance companies that sell you supplemental insurance, which means on top of everything that you already have through Medicare for All.

01:56:57.000 So if you were getting like stem cell therapy or something like that?

01:56:59.000 Well, in an ideal Medicare for All system, and Bernie, believe me, has gone...

01:57:04.000 So far above and beyond any criticism.

01:57:07.000 I mean, his thing is airtight.

01:57:08.000 It gives dental, it gives vision, it gives everything.

01:57:10.000 I wouldn't be surprised if under that Medicare for All bill, the stem cells thing is covered.

01:57:14.000 But, let's say something like homeopathy, which is like the water...

01:57:17.000 Horseshit. 0.95

01:57:18.000 Total horseshit. 0.99

01:57:19.000 You want to cover that by insurance? 0.99

01:57:20.000 No, no.

01:57:20.000 No, Medicare for All would not cover that because it's so speculative.

01:57:23.000 So private horseshit insurance? 0.95

01:57:24.000 Private horseshit insurance. 0.98

01:57:25.000 Or plastic surgery, things of that nature. 0.91

01:57:27.000 But that's an important point.

01:57:29.000 Is that real?

01:57:29.000 They have private insurance for plastic surgery?

01:57:33.000 No, no, no.

01:57:33.000 I'm saying it would be theoretically legal for it under a Medicare for All system because it's supplemental.

01:57:38.000 How could you have insurance for plastic surgery?

01:57:41.000 Like, you know, I decided my ears are too big.

01:57:43.000 So maybe the market...

01:57:44.000 Maybe the market wouldn't be there, but it would be legally possible is the point.

01:57:48.000 So it doesn't fully ban private insurance, but it does ban what's called duplicative care.

01:57:52.000 So you can't say, hey, I'm an insurance company.

01:57:55.000 I'm going to come in and offer you something that's already covered in full by the single-payer system.

01:58:00.000 And the reason why that's there is...

01:58:02.000 We don't want you getting ripped off by some charlatan.

01:58:04.000 I see what you're saying.

01:58:05.000 But it would essentially gut the health insurance industry.

01:58:09.000 It would make it so that you no longer have health insurance company CEOs making tens of millions of dollars off the backs of people while people die because they can't get health insurance.

01:58:18.000 Yes, it would.

01:58:19.000 And that's a good thing.

01:58:20.000 That's a positive thing.

01:58:21.000 It's a good thing for us, but as a sale, like to sell that.

01:58:25.000 Well, the thing is...

01:58:28.000 We have this issue where we have like a status quo bias where people think like well because it works how it works right now therefore the idea of addressing it and changing it seems like so overwhelming that we just kind of default to how we have it now.

01:58:44.000 But the problem is we know as a matter of fact That the way we do it now is the most batshit crazy way you could possibly do it, because they research this stuff all the time, they study this stuff all the time, and every single time they look at it, the US comes dead last in the developed world when it comes to healthcare.

01:58:58.000 So we finished, there was a recent study from the Commonwealth Fund, they found that they studied 11 different countries, the US is 11th out of 11 when it comes to healthcare.

01:59:06.000 So every other country that does the single-payer system, which we were talking about, and there's different versions of it, there's multi-payer, there's single-payer, there's public funding of private insurance, public funding of public insurance, but bottom line is, any other way you do it, I think?

01:59:39.000 To buy private insurance.

01:59:41.000 And I don't like that idea at all.

01:59:43.000 I dislike that mess.

01:59:44.000 I've been very critical of Obamacare.

01:59:45.000 I think there's a good case to make that it was a step in the right direction because anything was better than the system that we had at the time.

01:59:52.000 But I would say that was just a little step on the path to what we should have, which is a Medicare for All system, where health care is a right and not a privilege.

01:59:59.000 We catch up to the rest of the developed world.

02:00:01.000 And again, we should go above and beyond the rest of the world.

02:00:03.000 Because like in Canada, I don't think they have dental covered by it.

02:00:06.000 They don't.

02:00:07.000 But Bernie's bill does provide dental.

02:00:09.000 So, you know, I think that this is one of those issues where when it's fully explained to people, it's kind of a no-brainer, and you can get people to realize, like, no, no, no, the system is totally screwing you right now, and we can fix it.

02:00:19.000 Do you think he has a chance?

02:00:20.000 Oh, absolutely.

02:00:22.000 Bernie Sanders?

02:00:22.000 You really do?

02:00:23.000 Okay, well, let me ask you this.

02:00:24.000 Even post-heart attack?

02:00:25.000 Absolutely, I do.

02:00:25.000 Now, let me ask you this.

02:00:26.000 Who of the Democrats do you foresee really beating him?

02:00:31.000 Beating Trump?

02:00:32.000 No, no, no, beating Bernie in the primary.

02:00:35.000 Hmm...

02:00:38.000 Well, it's a good question, right?

02:00:40.000 It's a very good question.

02:00:41.000 He's got a lot of support, for sure.

02:00:44.000 But Elizabeth Warren seems to have a lot of support right now, too.

02:00:46.000 Okay, so that's your answer, right, Elizabeth Warren? 0.99

02:00:48.000 Yeah, I would say, well, Joe Biden's fucked. 1.00

02:00:52.000 He's too old. 1.00

02:00:54.000 But old in the wrong way.

02:00:56.000 His communication skills have eroded.

02:00:58.000 He flubs his words.

02:01:00.000 He looks exhausted.

02:01:01.000 He looks like he's just waiting for them to shut the door so he can take a big deep breath and just sink into the couch.

02:01:07.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:01:08.000 Oh, I know exactly what you're saying.

02:01:10.000 Sometimes I feel bad because it appears like he genuinely has cognitive decline.

02:01:14.000 Oh, he does.

02:01:15.000 So I don't like to make fun of it, but then when he goes out there in the debate and he starts like angrily ranting and he says, you know, we got to play the record player at night, make sure the kids hear words.

02:01:25.000 It's like, that made less than no sense, man.

02:01:27.000 What are you doing?

02:01:28.000 You got to wrap it up.

02:01:28.000 Did you know that his people are actually, they have a plan.

02:01:33.000 It's called like a limited exposure or limited visibility campaign where Joe, they are literally like hiding him from the public as much as possible.

02:01:40.000 Well, they have to.

02:01:41.000 They have to.

02:01:42.000 Because he's still close to the lead, right?

02:01:44.000 Oh, in some polls he's still leading.

02:01:46.000 That is hilarious.

02:01:47.000 But see, and here's the thing, and this is what I was going to get to in relation to Bernie.

02:01:51.000 I call the support for Biden default support.

02:01:54.000 So default support is people who don't necessarily follow politics that closely, but they might be a registered Democrat, and they're asked, hey, who do you support in the 2020 election?

02:02:02.000 I don't know who's running.

02:02:03.000 Oh, Biden?

02:02:03.000 Oh, I know Biden.

02:02:04.000 He was the VP of Obama.

02:02:06.000 Sure.

02:02:06.000 Yeah, Biden, why not?

02:02:07.000 That's the kind of support I think Joe Biden has, where that is very, very likely to kind of dwindle away.

02:02:12.000 And we're seeing it right now because when you look at the fundraising numbers...

02:02:16.000 Bernie is breaking all records when it comes to individual donations, even outraising Trump.

02:02:20.000 And Trump's a beast on the campaign trail.

02:02:22.000 He's nothing to mess around with on the campaign trail.

02:02:23.000 But he's even outraising Trump when it comes to individual donations.

02:02:26.000 His ground game is airtight.

02:02:28.000 He's got people everywhere making phone calls, knocking on doors, getting involved.

02:02:32.000 And so he has basically an endless well of small individual donor support and an army of people on the ground, whereas Joe Biden is doing so bad that he went back on his pledge like, oh, I won't take super PAC money.

02:02:45.000 Now he's saying, well, if somebody were to make a super pack and it were to help me out, what do you want me to tell you?

02:02:50.000 Because he raised $9 million in the last quarter.

02:02:53.000 Bernie raised $30 million.

02:02:55.000 And Joe raised $9 million.

02:02:55.000 You are so Bernie happy.

02:02:57.000 Look at you.

02:02:58.000 I love politics.

02:02:59.000 I love talking about politics and explaining everything.

02:03:01.000 I know you do.

02:03:02.000 But you're so Bernie happy.

02:03:04.000 Well, yeah, because Joe, he's an amazing candidate who's just trying to get the U.S. to have social democracy, and he's a guy who I know, because his record shows it, he's going to fight for all of us.

02:03:12.000 Even if you don't agree with him, and even if you dislike him, I understand that.

02:03:14.000 You might be somebody who's right-leaning, he's too far left for you.

02:03:17.000 But what everybody has to say, and they know it's true, is that he's incredibly honest, and he's actually going to fight for you every step of the way.

02:03:23.000 No, I think you're right.

02:03:25.000 And talking to him, he's a very sincere guy.

02:03:28.000 And I think...

02:03:29.000 A lot of his policies I agree with.

02:03:31.000 I really, really agree with this whole – the exoneration of student loan debt. 0.86

02:03:38.000 That to me is a giant factor in a lot of poor decision-making that a lot of young people make because they're fucked because they have this massive debt hanging over their head.

02:03:47.000 It's a huge source of stress and I think it's a rigged system. 0.99

02:03:50.000 I think it's dirty.

02:03:51.000 It's a dirty system.

02:03:52.000 Yeah.

02:03:53.000 The Medicare for All, I think, is a wonderful idea.

02:03:55.000 As long as you can seek, you know, very talented orthopedic surgeons, if you've got some money and you need to get something fixed.

02:04:01.000 Always pick your doctor.

02:04:01.000 You can always pick your doctor.

02:04:02.000 You know, because you've got to—there's a certain incentive, right, that I think that certain doctors have towards excellence, right?

02:04:09.000 And a lot of that incentive is financial.

02:04:12.000 And they're— The doctors that are the very best in certain particular fields, they want to charge more money for their services.

02:04:20.000 And I think that that should be okay.

02:04:22.000 That's one of the things that helps make people more enthusiastic about excellence.

02:04:29.000 It's financial reward.

02:04:30.000 It's a part of human nature.

02:04:32.000 No, absolutely.

02:04:32.000 And that's one of the things that people despise about the concept of socialism, is that it's going to somehow or another by making sure that no one makes any more money than anybody else, which is like the most extreme...

02:04:43.000 Well, that's like authoritarian communism.

02:04:44.000 Yes, yes, yes.

02:04:45.000 But I don't agree with that at all.

02:04:47.000 I don't either.

02:04:47.000 And people who I talk to who are my friends on the left, they don't agree with that at all.

02:04:51.000 And one of the things that we get most annoyed with is when there's a conflation, people will look at the former Soviet Union.

02:04:57.000 People will look at Venezuela.

02:04:58.000 People will look at Cuba.

02:05:18.000 Yeah.

02:05:20.000 Okay?

02:05:20.000 And if I fire back at Ben and I go, okay, Ben, then let's implement that style of capitalism, he'll switch it and say, no, no, no, there's socialists, so we can't do that.

02:05:27.000 Which is it? 0.99

02:05:27.000 We have a giant problem in this country with this whole right-left shit. 0.99

02:05:31.000 And this is what I was trying to say earlier when we were talking about the concept of classical liberals, because most people don't even know what the fuck that means. 0.99

02:05:38.000 The idea behind it...

02:05:41.000 I just think that to have groups of people that think in certain ways, the problem with ideologies, whether it's left-leaning or right-leaning, is it makes you automatically predisposed to ignore or to refute the concepts that are on the other side.

02:05:55.000 I totally agree.

02:05:56.000 And so many of us share these ideas across the board.

02:06:00.000 Right.

02:06:04.000 Yeah.

02:06:16.000 Yeah.

02:06:17.000 Yeah.

02:06:22.000 But also, I would just advise people, don't get too lost in the noise, because we can think that that's something that's overwhelming and we can't defeat it.

02:06:29.000 And we can also think that, you know, for example, the whole Russiagate thing on the Democratic side, that became such a fundamentalist religion and you couldn't deviate from the line at all.

02:06:37.000 Well, it became something that was exciting.

02:06:38.000 That's true.

02:06:39.000 So they wanted it to be true, and people would believe it and argue for it, even though the things weren't adding up, and I was trying to point out where it's wrong.

02:06:47.000 But what I would say is, at the end of the day, people should actually be...

02:06:50.000 Relatively happy about the fact that I think the strongest divide in the country is not right versus left.

02:06:56.000 The strongest divide in the country, I've called it populist versus elitist.

02:07:00.000 So you have elitists in the Democratic Party, you have elitists in the Republican Party, and you have the people.

02:07:05.000 And the people, we're so much more in agreement than people give us credit for.

02:07:09.000 I agree.

02:07:10.000 I have a thing that I go down, and I did this in some of my events at Politicon as well, but people would be surprised, man.

02:07:15.000 80% of the country wants to raise the minimum wage.

02:07:19.000 58% of the country wants to have free college.

02:07:22.000 Like I said, only 16% or so of the American people want to be involved in Iraq and Afghanistan and these terrible foreign wars.

02:07:28.000 62% of the country wants to legalize marijuana.

02:07:31.000 I could sit here and ring off issue after issue.

02:07:33.000 It's over 80% of the American people that want to get the money out of the political system and clean up the corruption.

02:07:38.000 Do you think that this country...

02:07:39.000 It has room for other parties.

02:07:41.000 We're so ingrained in this idea of left versus right, Democrat versus Republican.

02:07:47.000 And this is the choices that we've always had with the occasional independent, the occasional, you know, Ross Perot jumps into the race and throws a monkey wrench into everything.

02:07:56.000 But other than that, or maybe to a minor extent, Gary Johnson.

02:08:01.000 But do you think there's room for other parties at this juncture?

02:08:32.000 We came to the conclusion that as much as we want it to be true, as much as we'd like to start a third party and have it work and take off, there is such a gigantic systemic bias against that happening that you really do have ultimately the choice of Republican or Democrat.

02:08:46.000 So then the idea becomes, okay.

02:08:49.000 It's a reform movement now.

02:08:50.000 We have to try to reform the Democratic Party.

02:08:52.000 And there are people on the right who can try to reform the Republican Party.

02:08:55.000 Like, if you're somebody on the right and you agree more with Ron Paul and you're more libertarian, you want to end the wars, you want to legalize drugs, I hope those people take over the Republican Party.

02:09:03.000 And you have people who are against corporate welfare and whatnot in that party.

02:09:07.000 So what we really need to do is, because it's just the nature of our system, because there's such a bias against third parties, what we really need to do is...

02:09:14.000 I think?

02:09:33.000 So, really, and again, I don't want this to be the answer, but just factually speaking, it is the answer that we have to try to overtake, you know, the corrupt elements within the system and bring about change that way, because that's the only way I think it will really work.

02:09:46.000 Well, the only way it's going to really work is if what you were talking about with voting on very specific issues, because If you – most of the things that are problems are not benefiting people.

02:09:58.000 They're benefiting the people that are in positions of power and positions where they can influence the way policy is dictated because they've contributed to campaigns and because they've got this sort of revolving door thing going on with – We're good to go.

02:10:36.000 It's not benefiting us.

02:10:39.000 All these things that happen and all this corruption that takes place and all this influence, it never benefits us.

02:10:45.000 It's exactly right.

02:10:46.000 But that's what's weird about it.

02:10:48.000 And if we got a chance to vote on most of these ideas instead of voting on politicians and then the politicians implement these ideas to benefit themselves and benefit the special interest groups that got them into place, then things would be much better.

02:11:02.000 Okay, you have no idea how happy I am that you just said that because, Jamie, it's official, I sold Joe Rogan on my idea.

02:11:08.000 Oh, it's a great idea.

02:11:09.000 On my direct democracy law.

02:11:10.000 It's a great idea right off the bat.

02:11:12.000 I loved it.

02:11:13.000 Because I trust, and I have no problem saying this, some people will come after me for it, I don't care, but I trust, if somebody's watching this and they're right-leaning and they have their opinions and whatnot, I actually trust that person more on the issues...

02:11:24.000 Then I trust Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi.

02:11:26.000 And I'm somebody, I'm on the left.

02:11:28.000 Right.

02:11:29.000 And I do not agree with these nominally on-the-left politicians, these Democratic politicians, because I think they're elitist, and I think they're corrupt, and I don't think they're looking out for our best interests, but I think that somebody who disagrees with me ideologically, who might be watching this right now, they have more common sense, and they're not bought.

02:11:44.000 Right, they're not bought.

02:11:45.000 That's the big thing.

02:11:46.000 They're not bought.

02:11:46.000 There's so much more agreement than we think.

02:11:49.000 And so if you actually give people that option where you say, no, no, no, you're going to directly vote on this, then I think we're going to see, honestly, I think over 80% of the time, the more reasonable position we'll win.

02:12:00.000 Every now and then you'll get one that for whatever reason there might be misinformation or whatever and it's overwhelming and then they'll lose.

02:12:05.000 But getting it right 80% of the time is a hell of a lot better than what we have right now, which is amazing, Joe, because Congress routinely polls around 20% favorability.

02:12:14.000 This is a body that we could just elect them and then you poll a month later, hey, what do you think of Congress?

02:12:20.000 Everybody's like, I hate them. 0.99

02:12:21.000 They're terrible. 0.98

02:12:21.000 How can that be? 0.98

02:12:22.000 It's because we all know we're voting for the lesser of two evils every time we go to the polls.

02:12:26.000 Right.

02:12:28.000 Yeah.

02:12:29.000 Direct democracy.

02:12:30.000 Direct democracy.

02:12:31.000 Every presidential election, take the three biggest issues.

02:12:33.000 We all vote on it, along with who we want the president.

02:12:35.000 Why only three?

02:12:36.000 Well, that's just arbitrary.

02:12:37.000 We could say five, whatever it might be.

02:12:39.000 But I think that it's good.

02:12:40.000 Between three and five, I think, makes the most sense because it's something where everybody will pay attention to it and we could talk about it a lot, you know what I mean?

02:12:46.000 That seems like a very realistic system of reform.

02:12:49.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:12:49.000 Look at you.

02:12:50.000 You're excited.

02:12:51.000 That's what I'm saying, man.

02:12:51.000 I think it's a good idea, and I think that would really nip in the bud a lot of corruption.

02:12:56.000 It goes right around it.

02:12:57.000 Yeah.

02:12:57.000 It goes right around it.

02:12:58.000 Now, I also think that at the same time, you do have to try to get a constitutional amendment to get money out of politics so that we kind of get to the root of the corruption.

02:13:05.000 Right.

02:13:06.000 But I also think that this direct democracy idea is a great idea because you do get to go right around the corruption, and you can actually kind of circumvent a lot of the problems that are brought about as a result of it.

02:13:15.000 What a difficult task that is, though, to get the money out of politics because it's so big. 0.96

02:13:20.000 It's such a giant part of how all this shit gets done. 0.93

02:13:24.000 And once a system gets entangled and, like, deeply rooted... 0.99

02:13:28.000 That's right.

02:13:29.000 But the system of it is actually kind of new.

02:13:31.000 It has a really fascinating backstory as to how this came about.

02:13:33.000 So there were a series of court decisions.

02:13:36.000 There was one in the late 1970s.

02:13:38.000 Was that Buckley v. 0.87

02:13:39.000 Vallejo, or was that...

02:13:41.000 Whatever.

02:13:42.000 There were like three or four court decisions over the years, starting in the late 1970s, that kind of culminated with Citizens United in the modern era and McCutcheon in the modern era.

02:13:52.000 And what people do is they wrongly think like Citizens United and McCutcheon were the biggest problem.

02:13:57.000 But no, they actually shot a dead horse because the previous court cases set the precedent of money equaling speech.

02:14:03.000 This is the legal theory that's now operating around the country is that money equals speech.

02:14:07.000 So if you're an outside group and you want to spend on an election, hey man, it's your free speech.

02:14:12.000 If you're a billionaire and you want to dump $50 million into an election to say keep my taxes as low as possible, that's free speech and you have every right to do that.

02:14:21.000 So that's the legal theory that we now operate under and that has basically legalized bribery.

02:14:26.000 You can't give money directly to a politician and say I want you to do X because that's called a quid pro quo.

02:14:31.000 That's direct bribery.

02:14:33.000 But all you have to do is add a little bit of nuance and don't say it directly and have it implied and you're good.

02:14:39.000 This is the Ukraine thing with Trump.

02:14:42.000 This is essentially exactly what you're talking about.

02:14:44.000 That is kind of like the Ukraine thing except Trump was just trying to get dirt on his opponent in the election.

02:14:50.000 But the quid pro quo...

02:14:52.000 Yeah, that's always been Weasley.

02:14:54.000 Whether it's Trump saying it or whether it's other politicians saying it, when they act like, hey, there was no quid pro quo.

02:14:59.000 Yeah, but we all know why ExxonMobil gives millions of dollars, lobbies Congress to the tune of millions of dollars.

02:15:04.000 It's because they want that $4 billion subsidy.

02:15:05.000 Everybody knows that.

02:15:06.000 Yeah, it doesn't have to be stated clearly. 0.93

02:15:09.000 We're not idiots. 0.93

02:15:10.000 Everybody gets that. 0.90

02:15:11.000 And so that's like the Weasley last resort to say, no quid pro quo.

02:15:15.000 Please, get out of here.

02:15:16.000 So anyway, but there's an argument that really busts up this idea that money equals speech.

02:15:20.000 That I absolutely love.

02:15:21.000 And it's, okay, well, if money equals speech, then murder for hire would have to be legal.

02:15:26.000 Because I'm not saying...

02:15:28.000 I'm not giving you money to murder somebody.

02:15:29.000 I'm just using my speech to say, I don't have a problem with murder.

02:15:32.000 You're allowed to do that.

02:15:34.000 You should be able to get any kind of drug you want. 0.99

02:15:36.000 You should be able to get any kind of prostitute you want. 1.00

02:15:39.000 And the dodge will always be... 0.96

02:15:40.000 I'm not paying for services, no, because money equals speech.

02:15:43.000 I'm just saying...

02:15:44.000 I'm just saying murder's okay.

02:15:45.000 I'm just saying... 0.99

02:15:47.000 You know, I want a hooker or whatever it might be. 1.00

02:15:49.000 You know what I mean? 0.98

02:15:51.000 But this is the logic of that ruling actually applied.

02:15:56.000 I see what you're saying.

02:15:57.000 Right.

02:15:57.000 Oh, money equals speech?

02:15:59.000 Okay.

02:15:59.000 Does it equal speech in these ways?

02:16:01.000 Oh, it doesn't.

02:16:02.000 Oh, it only equals it when it comes to politics.

02:16:04.000 That's interesting.

02:16:05.000 Do you have aspirations of running for office someday?

02:16:08.000 I don't really.

02:16:10.000 Really is a weird word.

02:16:11.000 Well, okay.

02:16:12.000 I'll explain what that means.

02:16:13.000 I've learned to never say never.

02:16:15.000 Okay?

02:16:15.000 Because I'm not...

02:16:17.000 It's just, you can be wrong.

02:16:19.000 So maybe when I'm 42 years old, I get the urge and I say, you know what?

02:16:22.000 I want to run for office.

02:16:23.000 But right now, you enjoy talking about it quite a bit.

02:16:26.000 And how old are you?

02:16:27.000 I am 31. That's very young to be as immersed in politics as you are, and for as long as you've been.

02:16:33.000 Yeah.

02:16:33.000 How long have you been doing this?

02:16:35.000 2012. I started doing it, I think, late 2012, full-time.

02:16:38.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:16:38.000 That's seven fucking years, man. 0.99

02:16:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:16:41.000 It's a long time. 1.00

02:16:43.000 I'm an old young guy.

02:16:44.000 Yes.

02:16:44.000 That's an interesting way of putting it.

02:16:46.000 Yeah.

02:16:46.000 Yeah, but I mean...

02:16:47.000 I love this aspect of it.

02:16:48.000 Joe, here's the thing.

02:16:48.000 In my heart of hearts, I'm more...

02:16:50.000 Like, you're a comedian?

02:16:51.000 Yes.

02:16:51.000 I'm more like...

02:16:52.000 I like hanging out with guys like you and fucking around and joking around and... 0.97

02:16:56.000 I don't like, like, if I were to ever officially jump into politics, I know what it's like, man. 0.98

02:17:02.000 I know the first thing they do is because they've already done it to me.

02:17:04.000 Oh, dig up his old tweets, see what he was saying.

02:17:06.000 Ah, ah, look, he said that thing, that thing is wrong, and then it's all, this whole circus, I don't have the patience for that. 0.99

02:17:13.000 I don't give a fuck. 1.00

02:17:14.000 If they come after me, I'll be like, shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:17:16.000 I don't care. 0.99

02:17:17.000 It's old. 1.00

02:17:17.000 Who gives a shit? 1.00

02:17:18.000 So, you know, it's just a whole other world. 1.00

02:17:21.000 It's a whole other ballgame.

02:17:23.000 And being an outsider and being able to call a spade a spade...

02:17:26.000 Because I got news for you.

02:17:27.000 They don't...

02:17:29.000 The system does not like people like me.

02:17:31.000 The system does not like people like Bernie.

02:17:34.000 They don't like people like Tulsi.

02:17:35.000 They don't like these kinds of people.

02:17:37.000 Well, they don't like people like Trump either, and he's the president.

02:17:39.000 Well, exactly.

02:17:40.000 And again, this gets back to the whole populist versus elitist thing.

02:17:44.000 I think Trump was probably the most effective, what I would call a fake populist of all time, is that he was giving this image of a populist, this image that he's going to fight for the working man, and then as we already described earlier, You know, the status quo just kind of continued chugging along as it is.

02:17:59.000 Look at his tax bill.

02:18:00.000 It's the most establishment, pro-establishment bill of all time.

02:18:03.000 So he's an amazing populist, but I would say it's a fake populist because his policies differ from that.

02:18:08.000 But you're right.

02:18:08.000 They don't like people who have no filter.

02:18:10.000 They don't like people who really, like, I actually think your average American would be much better at running the government than any of these schmucks who are there right now who are massively wealthy and massively corrupt. 0.99

02:18:21.000 As long as they didn't also become corrupt. 0.94

02:18:24.000 Yeah, and that's the important point about why you need systemic reform, is that any normal person can become a part of the problem because the system will beat you down.

02:18:35.000 Right.

02:18:35.000 And that's just the nature of the way it works.

02:18:37.000 But no, I don't want to run for office because I like what I'm doing.

02:18:39.000 You enjoy just commenting on it, and also you enjoy doing it on your own time.

02:18:44.000 You do it whenever you want to.

02:18:45.000 I make my own schedule.

02:18:47.000 Don't get me wrong, I pump stuff out like crazy.

02:18:50.000 Yes, you do.

02:18:50.000 But you also don't have an overlord.

02:18:54.000 No boss.

02:18:55.000 I can't have a boss.

02:18:56.000 I don't have that personality that meshes with it.

02:18:58.000 I just don't.

02:19:00.000 It's like trying to tame a zebra.

02:19:01.000 You can't do it.

02:19:02.000 You can tame a horse, you can't tame a zebra.

02:19:04.000 That's a good point.

02:19:05.000 You can't tame a zebra.

02:19:06.000 So I don't want to do it.

02:19:08.000 I know that some people want me to do it, but I don't like the idea of it.

02:19:13.000 Well, I always enjoy talking to you, man, and we should probably do these more often.

02:19:16.000 Thanks, man. 0.99

02:19:17.000 Because I learn a lot of shit from you, too. 0.98

02:19:18.000 Thank you. 0.98

02:19:19.000 It fills in blanks, and like I said, I think you're the most reasonable guy that's doing this in terms of doing political commentary on YouTube and on the internet.

02:19:27.000 I really appreciate that.

02:19:28.000 That means a lot coming from you.

02:19:29.000 Let's do it more often, my friend.

02:19:30.000 Sure, man.

02:19:31.000 Just gotta force me on a plane.

02:19:32.000 That's it.

02:19:32.000 I will force you on a plane.

02:19:33.000 Thank you.

02:19:34.000 Thank you very much.

02:19:34.000 Thanks, man.

02:19:35.000 Oh, tell everybody how they can get a hold of you, your Instagram and Twitter.

02:19:38.000 I don't have an Instagram.

02:19:39.000 I might have a Twitter.

02:19:39.000 I'm like Trump, only Twitter.

02:19:40.000 At Kyle Kalinsky on Twitter, and it's Secular Talk on YouTube.

02:19:44.000 Okay.

02:19:44.000 Yeah.

02:19:44.000 Thanks so much.

02:19:45.000 Bye, everybody.

02:19:47.000 That was great.

02:19:48.000 Yeah, that was fun.

02:19:50.000 We could go for like five hours.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 30, 2019

Joe Rogan Experience #1373 - Kyle Kulinski

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