The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1374 - Justin Wren

00:00:04.000 And we're live.

00:00:04.000 Hello, Justin Wren.

00:00:05.000 Hello.

00:00:06.000 What's going on, buddy?

00:00:07.000 You got a book in front of you?

00:00:07.000 I do.

00:00:08.000 What's going on?

00:00:08.000 Oh, I just got a couple notes.

00:00:09.000 Look how organized you are with your tabs.

00:00:11.000 Yeah.

00:00:12.000 I've never had tabs in my life.

00:00:13.000 Yeah, this is actually from James Clear.

00:00:15.000 Have you heard of him?

00:00:16.000 Atomic Habits, New York Times bestselling author.

00:00:19.000 I didn't plan on talking about him at all.

00:00:20.000 What the notebook is?

00:00:22.000 Yeah.

00:00:23.000 Oh, so you bought one of his notebooks?

00:00:25.000 Yeah.

00:00:25.000 It goes along with his New York Times bestselling book called Clear, where you put down your daily habits, and then you just kind of can check them off as you do them throughout the day.

00:00:33.000 What's your daily habits?

00:00:34.000 We'll have a morning routine where I wake up and where I'm at I have a Peloton so I jump on that for like 30 minutes right in the morning right when I get out of bed.

00:00:42.000 Right when you get out of bed?

00:00:43.000 Well right when I get out of bed I do 15 minutes of breathing.

00:00:46.000 Just breathing.

00:00:47.000 Yeah, but I do like five minutes of myself.

00:00:49.000 I do that too.

00:00:49.000 It's called laying in bed.

00:00:51.000 There you go.

00:00:51.000 Yeah, drifting awake.

00:00:53.000 I kind of drift awake for 15-20 minutes.

00:00:55.000 What kind of breathing are you doing?

00:00:57.000 So just kind of focused where I breathe in six to eight seconds and kind of count the in-breath, then count the hold, and then count the exhale.

00:01:04.000 So it's a meditation.

00:01:05.000 Mm-hmm.

00:01:05.000 And you do that for 15 minutes every morning?

00:01:08.000 15 minutes.

00:01:08.000 Three short ones, back to back to back.

00:01:10.000 They're through Headspace.

00:01:11.000 And I actually just got a new phone.

00:01:12.000 I don't have the new Headspace downloaded, but I have three five-minute breathing techniques that are really three to five minutes each.

00:01:19.000 So sometimes it's only like nine minutes.

00:01:20.000 And what do you get out of that?

00:01:22.000 For me, I think I'm just kind of setting the tone for the day and just kind of clearing my mind.

00:01:29.000 I used to be bad about this.

00:01:31.000 First thing waking up, I'd grab my phone.

00:01:33.000 Everybody does that.

00:01:34.000 And then it would be emails, text messages, notifications, and then you're starting your day reactive.

00:01:42.000 Instead of proactive.

00:01:43.000 Ooh, I like what you're saying, Justin.

00:01:45.000 I like his thinking.

00:01:47.000 Yeah, wake up, do that.

00:01:48.000 I get on the Peloton right after that.

00:01:50.000 I try to drink a liter of water.

00:01:52.000 Now, you got me on this Laird Superfood.

00:01:55.000 It's a great thing to get going with.

00:01:57.000 It is so good.

00:01:58.000 I love this stuff.

00:01:59.000 Yeah, his coffee, particularly his turmeric.

00:02:01.000 I love it.

00:02:02.000 Yes, that's what this is.

00:02:03.000 This is my first time having that.

00:02:04.000 It's always out.

00:02:05.000 It's so good for you.

00:02:06.000 First of all, turmeric is amazing for you.

00:02:08.000 Fight off inflammation.

00:02:10.000 And then this with coffee as well.

00:02:12.000 God, it tastes so good too.

00:02:13.000 Have you had the hydrate?

00:02:14.000 Not the coffee, but the hydrate.

00:02:16.000 Is that another one of his products?

00:02:17.000 I have not tried that.

00:02:18.000 Oh my gosh, it's so good.

00:02:19.000 I should have brought it for you.

00:02:21.000 I'm in California, and we had this already set up, but a buddy of mine walked across America for Fight for the Forgotten.

00:02:28.000 He heard us on the show.

00:02:30.000 You know him?

00:02:31.000 I didn't know him before the show.

00:02:32.000 So he said, I'm going to walk across the entire country for the Pygmies.

00:02:35.000 Right.

00:02:36.000 Wow.

00:02:37.000 Yeah, which was wild.

00:02:38.000 He had already done something a year before for the Paradise Fires.

00:02:43.000 He's a professional drummer.

00:02:44.000 Actually, you got to meet him right before we walked in here.

00:02:47.000 Just out there, yeah.

00:02:47.000 Yep.

00:02:47.000 He's wearing the cowboy hat, the Stetson.

00:02:49.000 He's the second guy that I know that walked across America this year.

00:02:52.000 Mike Posner is the other one we've been talking about coming on.

00:02:55.000 Mike and I have been going back and forth. 1.00

00:02:57.000 He got bit by a fucking rattlesnake. 0.99

00:02:58.000 Jeremy has some wild stories. 0.99

00:03:00.000 He actually just started this adventure coffee brand.

00:03:05.000 His drum company is called Beats from the Core, like Beats from the Drum Corps.

00:03:10.000 And then he had Beats for a Cause.

00:03:12.000 And so last year he did it for the Paradise Fires.

00:03:14.000 This year he did it for Fight for the Forgotten.

00:03:16.000 I can't believe how many people I know that have coffee companies.

00:03:20.000 Matt Brown, Immortal Coffee.

00:03:22.000 Larry Hamilton, Coffee.

00:03:24.000 Tate Fletcher and Keith Jardine, Caveman Coffee.

00:03:28.000 Black Rifle Coffee.

00:03:29.000 All those guys.

00:03:30.000 I love the Black Rifle Coffee guys. 1.00

00:03:31.000 Their stuff is the shit. 1.00

00:03:33.000 Well, Schaub's through Black Rifle. 1.00

00:03:36.000 He's just got...

00:03:39.000 Well, we just had our team loaded up.

00:03:40.000 Actually, the documentary team that I know, kind of through you, because they do a lot of your Netflix specials.

00:03:44.000 Yes, they do all my specials.

00:03:45.000 All of them, yeah.

00:03:46.000 And they're phenomenal.

00:03:47.000 They're the best.

00:03:48.000 They've done everything since 2009. Everything that I've done.

00:03:52.000 Positive image.

00:03:53.000 My boy, Anthony Giordano, who's director of the UFC. He's the best.

00:03:57.000 Yeah, he's awesome.

00:03:58.000 I've gotten to meet him a time or two.

00:04:00.000 And then Brady, I've gotten to spend a lot of time with.

00:04:02.000 He's the vice president, and he's come to Uganda with me.

00:04:05.000 Jesus.

00:04:05.000 He's gone to Vegas.

00:04:06.000 Jesus, Brady.

00:04:07.000 Colorado and Oklahoma and Texas.

00:04:10.000 Hey, how are you physically? 0.99

00:04:12.000 Because you were saying that you had some crazy parasite. 0.99

00:04:15.000 Yes.

00:04:16.000 I have a lot of stuff that's still being tested.

00:04:19.000 Jesus, man.

00:04:20.000 So that's actually, well, first reason I came, I'll share a little bit of my last week with you.

00:04:24.000 Went up to Redding, my first time up to Northern California.

00:04:28.000 It's beautiful.

00:04:29.000 Gorgeous.

00:04:30.000 Gorgeous.

00:04:30.000 The river right there.

00:04:31.000 So green.

00:04:32.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:04:33.000 I didn't even know that.

00:04:34.000 And all the fly fishing that was going on up there.

00:04:37.000 I've never gotten the hang of fly fishing, but I love it.

00:04:39.000 It looks like it's so...

00:04:40.000 Yeah, it's not hard.

00:04:42.000 You could get it in a couple minutes.

00:04:43.000 You're a smart dude.

00:04:45.000 I mean, you're an athlete.

00:04:46.000 You'd figure it out quick.

00:04:47.000 Well, Jeremy literally walked from the Brooklyn Bridge all the way to Reading, the Sundale Bridge.

00:04:53.000 It was 3,100 miles.

00:04:54.000 Does he know about flights?

00:04:56.000 I think he's flown in a time or two.

00:04:58.000 His story is actually really unique.

00:04:59.000 You'd like it.

00:05:00.000 He grew up with...

00:05:03.000 Well, he was put in special education classes because he had Tourette's, really, really bad Tourette's.

00:05:09.000 It's where he had these tics, where he'd slap his foot. 0.99

00:05:12.000 What causes that?

00:05:13.000 I have no idea.

00:05:14.000 But he had these tics and this stutter.

00:05:16.000 Well, through this walk and through drumming, he thinks he started to rewire the neural pathways in his brain.

00:05:21.000 Through the walk?

00:05:22.000 No, the walk and the drumming.

00:05:24.000 But the walk, I mean, he just did the walk, right?

00:05:26.000 Yeah, he just did it.

00:05:27.000 But he finished the walk, and he said whenever he was playing stadiums, Drumming, right?

00:05:32.000 That's the pinnacle of being a professional drummer, playing stadiums with tens of thousands of people.

00:05:38.000 So he's back there drumming, and it's before his first time he's ever come out and drummed that way.

00:05:44.000 Well, he's drumming, and instead of him being in the moment, thinking about, wow, I'm at the pinnacle of my sport, or not sport, but of my art, he's literally thinking about how he wishes there'd be a day that he could grab the microphone and just state one clear sentence where there wasn't a stutter.

00:06:00.000 So he's literally back there.

00:06:02.000 He's arrived, or at least what a lot of people would say is his arrival for a stadium tour.

00:06:07.000 And then all of a sudden he's thinking about just having a clear sentence in a conversation with people.

00:06:12.000 There was something that I just read really recently about a new treatment for Tourette's.

00:06:21.000 Jeremy would tell you that it was drumming that really helped him because he went from Reading up to Seattle.

00:06:28.000 He was in the grunge scene.

00:06:29.000 And then I think his name is Steve Smith or Sean Smith, maybe Steve Smith, that started the Seattle Drum School of Music, the really prestigious school.

00:06:37.000 They would send kids off to Berkeley School of Music, and then they would graduate from Berkeley, and they'd come back and they'd hire them.

00:06:45.000 Well, Steve Smith saw Jeremy and said, hey, I want you to be an instructor at my school.

00:06:49.000 And Jeremy kind of laughed.

00:06:50.000 I can't read music.

00:06:51.000 I didn't graduate high school.

00:06:52.000 How would I ever be a drum teacher at the Seattle Drum School of Music?

00:06:57.000 He's like, well, I'm the owner.

00:06:58.000 I'll coach you for two years and then you'll be a drum teacher.

00:07:01.000 Lo and behold, two years later, he's literally a drum teacher there for ten full years.

00:07:05.000 What kind of a person has that much commitment to somebody that they say, I want to coach you for two years before I give you a job?

00:07:10.000 Yeah.

00:07:11.000 Wild, right?

00:07:11.000 He became his mentor.

00:07:12.000 That's pretty crazy.

00:07:13.000 So he was able to start having fluid conversations.

00:07:16.000 Then he did the Paradise Fires fundraiser.

00:07:19.000 Then he walked all the way across America.

00:07:21.000 He fell off a 40-foot cliff.

00:07:23.000 Got surrounded by coyotes out there.

00:07:25.000 He was in Oklahoma, and he came through our offices, and then he ended up in the middle of nowhere, Oklahoma, in the panhandle.

00:07:31.000 And these cops came by and said, hey, who are you?

00:07:33.000 Because he set up his tent.

00:07:35.000 And 90% of people that do this walk, they fail within the first 400 miles.

00:07:40.000 Yeah, that's a long way to walk.

00:07:41.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:07:42.000 And he's still got 3,000 to go.

00:07:44.000 And then the people that do complete it, kind of like Mike, right?

00:07:46.000 They have an assistance vehicle the whole way, where they're sleeping there, they're being fed, or they have some comforts.

00:07:53.000 And he didn't do that.

00:07:53.000 He just backpacked it.

00:07:55.000 So you're saying Mike's a pussy? 1.00

00:07:56.000 I'm not saying that about Mike. 1.00

00:07:57.000 That's what I heard.

00:07:58.000 Jamie, did you hear that?

00:07:59.000 I heard that too.

00:08:00.000 I just said my guy Jeremy.

00:08:01.000 Mike has an assistance vehicle?

00:08:02.000 He had an assistance vehicle?

00:08:04.000 I think he had a camper, right?

00:08:05.000 I guess he needed it when he got bit.

00:08:06.000 Mm-hmm.

00:08:07.000 And so Jeremy didn't.

00:08:09.000 He fell off that cliff.

00:08:10.000 He had a mountain lion that, I guess, purred or whatever, sniffed at his tent.

00:08:16.000 Oh, great.

00:08:16.000 And when it came out, he had footprints all around it.

00:08:18.000 So he documented everything.

00:08:20.000 Jesus.

00:08:21.000 He was surrounded by coyotes, huh?

00:08:22.000 Yeah, surrounded by coyotes.

00:08:23.000 Oh, and a prison break happened.

00:08:25.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:08:25.000 While he was out there.

00:08:26.000 He looks like a prisoner.

00:08:27.000 Yeah.

00:08:28.000 Looks like a guy would scoop up. 1.00

00:08:29.000 If there was a prison break, I'd be like, this fucking guy. 0.99

00:08:31.000 Well, he told him, well, don't worry about it. 0.99

00:08:33.000 You know, if you hear sirens, it's probably the tornadoes because of the bad weather coming in.

00:08:38.000 Oh, great.

00:08:38.000 Tornadoes when you're in a tent.

00:08:39.000 So a tornado siren, he thought, went off, but it was actually the prison break siren.

00:08:43.000 First time they had those in like 20 years, but it was the night he was right outside the prison.

00:08:49.000 So he's got some stories, man.

00:08:50.000 And then for me, I came out here.

00:08:51.000 I completed the walk with him.

00:08:53.000 I did the last day with him, so 20 miles.

00:08:55.000 And I was sore for a week after just walking up and down these hills.

00:08:59.000 Really?

00:08:59.000 Not a week.

00:09:00.000 Three or four days.

00:09:00.000 You're in really good shape.

00:09:01.000 I'm in good shape, but I think it's different.

00:09:03.000 But stop all about this guy. 0.99

00:09:05.000 I want to hear about your parasites. 0.99

00:09:06.000 Oh, yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:09:06.000 So what's going on? 0.99

00:09:08.000 Well, there's still more testing, but they did find something called schistosomiasis in me.

00:09:13.000 So schisto is from the tropical rainforests of Africa.

00:09:18.000 I think that's the only place it exists, but it comes from these snails.

00:09:22.000 And so because I probably bathed, not because I probably, I have bathed in the rivers there.

00:09:27.000 Been in the rivers, going across rivers.

00:09:29.000 Did you get it in your mouth?

00:09:30.000 No.

00:09:30.000 They can get into your skin.

00:09:32.000 I was real itchy for a couple weeks there.

00:09:35.000 What that was was some of the parasites, I guess.

00:09:39.000 What did you call it?

00:09:40.000 They're like egg sacs or something that got on me.

00:09:42.000 Yeah.

00:09:43.000 Got inside of my stomach, my liver.

00:09:45.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:09:45.000 Could be potentially even in my brain.

00:09:48.000 In your brain?

00:09:49.000 Potentially.

00:09:50.000 Yeah.

00:09:50.000 So they don't know yet.

00:09:52.000 Well, what's today?

00:09:54.000 Today's Wednesday, right?

00:09:55.000 Yeah.

00:09:55.000 Monday, I did my final exams, and I did three full days with this doctor, Dr. Daniel Amen.

00:10:02.000 He would be phenomenal for the show, by the way.

00:10:04.000 He's incredible.

00:10:06.000 Two TED Talks, millions of views.

00:10:07.000 Stop, stop, stop.

00:10:08.000 You're such a great promoter of your friends.

00:10:10.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.

00:10:11.000 You divert, and you want to talk about them.

00:10:12.000 I want to talk about you.

00:10:13.000 Okay, let's talk about me. 0.89

00:10:14.000 What's going on with your brain?

00:10:17.000 Because I kept getting jerked around by all these different doctors.

00:10:19.000 It's this, it's this, it's this, it's this.

00:10:23.000 And I've had numerous endoscopies to go look in my stomach because why am I throwing up?

00:10:28.000 And one says it is an ulcer.

00:10:30.000 Another comes out and says your stomach's perfect inside.

00:10:32.000 It's a little red, but there's no ulcer whatsoever.

00:10:35.000 And so I have Shisto.

00:10:37.000 I've had an intestinal bacteria that's really bad called Shigella.

00:10:41.000 I've had malaria three times.

00:10:43.000 I've had dengue fever.

00:10:45.000 So dengue was in me for at least a month.

00:10:47.000 The CDC found it in me. 0.88

00:10:48.000 But you've had this parasite in you for a long time now. 0.89

00:10:51.000 How many months? 0.99

00:10:52.000 At least six.

00:10:54.000 Since April.

00:10:55.000 And have you been able to train at all during this time?

00:10:58.000 Ups and downs.

00:10:59.000 So I was at the police and fire training center of Oklahoma City and I was just helping them.

00:11:03.000 There's some really great guys there.

00:11:04.000 And I was helping them and the fire chief ended up putting me in the cold shower for like 20 minutes because I got so, they said I got like ghostly white and I started dry heaving and I was just shaky all over. 0.95

00:11:15.000 This is all from your parasites? 0.97

00:11:16.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:11:16.000 Jesus Christ, man. 0.99

00:11:17.000 And so it's up and down.

00:11:18.000 I'll start getting in shape.

00:11:19.000 I'll start losing weight.

00:11:20.000 I'll start feeling good.

00:11:23.000 And then I just crash.

00:11:24.000 I've had shingles five times, Joe. 1.00

00:11:26.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:11:27.000 Five times. 0.99

00:11:28.000 So what can you do about this stuff?

00:11:30.000 Well, I'm starting to do hyperbarics, hyperbaric oxygen therapy.

00:11:35.000 I've got a prescription for that.

00:11:37.000 And that's been helping more than anything right now.

00:11:39.000 Yeah.

00:11:40.000 I'm trying to have that morning routine, protect my sleep, eat right.

00:11:44.000 My wife helps me meal prep.

00:11:46.000 I have juices all through the day.

00:11:47.000 I have a superfood coffee.

00:11:49.000 I'm doing all the stuff I can.

00:11:51.000 I was on 28 pills a day for four or five weeks in a row. 0.59

00:11:55.000 Just for this parasite?

00:11:57.000 Yeah.

00:11:57.000 Well, a whole parasite cleanse because they think I could have a parasite that they haven't found.

00:12:04.000 Because I'm going so remote, Joe, in the forest, they think I could have picked up something crazy.

00:12:10.000 So they just did a Lyme disease test on me.

00:12:13.000 This was on Monday.

00:12:15.000 So Lyme disease, they did a cheek swab from genetics.

00:12:19.000 They did hair.

00:12:20.000 So they cut off six different spots of hair from my scalp.

00:12:24.000 Your glowing locks?

00:12:25.000 Yeah.

00:12:25.000 So they cut that.

00:12:26.000 My wife and my mom were teasing me because I was like crying about it.

00:12:29.000 I was like, don't cut it here.

00:12:30.000 Don't cut it here.

00:12:32.000 So they took six spots of hair samples from me, blood, urine, stool samples.

00:12:39.000 They did two different kinds of brain scans on me.

00:12:45.000 Yeah.

00:13:02.000 But they can test not just stuff for like CTE or mild traumatic brain injury and TBI before autopsy now with these brain scans.

00:13:12.000 They can also test for like PTSD. And so there's this diamond in the middle of your brain and you're only supposed to have a little bit of activity there, just very, very small.

00:13:23.000 But if you have this, what they call the ring of fire, this diamond of red and white being lit up on the brain scans, that literally shows that you have PTSD. I had Dakota Meyer in here.

00:13:33.000 Do you know who he is?

00:13:34.000 That was an incredible podcast.

00:13:36.000 I meant to text you afterwards.

00:13:37.000 He's an amazing guy.

00:13:39.000 If people haven't heard that one, go back and watch it.

00:13:41.000 It's one of my favorites that you've had.

00:13:43.000 Dakota's a legitimate hero.

00:13:45.000 But one of the things that he was saying was that they injected him.

00:13:49.000 Do you remember what the blocker was called?

00:13:52.000 That blocker?

00:13:53.000 KG or...

00:13:54.000 Whatever the blocker was, he described it and he said it completely stopped his PTSD. It just cured all of his anxiety.

00:14:02.000 See if you can find it, Jamie, just so we could reference it.

00:14:05.000 I remember that.

00:14:06.000 I sent it to my wife.

00:14:07.000 She's in psychology right now.

00:14:08.000 She's going to be a counselor.

00:14:09.000 And I sent that to her because they were talking about PTSD. And the teacher said, oh yeah, that's been around for a while too.

00:14:14.000 And that's what Dakota said.

00:14:15.000 It's been around for a while.

00:14:16.000 I think they made a clip that Jerry Clips guys did.

00:14:20.000 What's it going on?

00:14:21.000 Stellate ganglion blocker.

00:14:23.000 Yes.

00:14:23.000 Yeah.

00:14:24.000 SGB. SGB. Stellate ganglion.

00:14:27.000 Ganglion.

00:14:27.000 Yeah.

00:14:28.000 That, he said, it just instantly alleviated all of his problems.

00:14:33.000 Yeah.

00:14:33.000 Which is insane.

00:14:34.000 I mean, like, wouldn't you love that?

00:14:36.000 Yes.

00:14:36.000 The miracle cure.

00:14:37.000 They give you a shot, boom, your problems go away.

00:14:39.000 Absolutely.

00:14:39.000 Didn't he say it lasts for like a year?

00:14:41.000 I think he said six months to a year, depending on...

00:14:43.000 You have to have other traumatic stuff.

00:14:46.000 I'm thinking of doing it even though I don't have anything wrong.

00:14:47.000 I just want to feel great.

00:14:49.000 Well, this is what's crazy.

00:14:50.000 Oh, and Dakota said that, but this Dr. Daniel Amen, he's a 10-time New York Times bestselling author, and he's got a book about PTSD. Basically, he was saying...

00:15:02.000 That, yeah, that shot really, really does work.

00:15:06.000 And people have been doing it for years.

00:15:08.000 And with veterans, it's one of the quickest things.

00:15:11.000 Do they think that you have some PTSD? Yeah.

00:15:13.000 So he was saying this, which Dakota said, you just queued that up, or triggered that in my memory, where the most common PTSD is car wrecks.

00:15:23.000 I think that's what Dakota said, right?

00:15:25.000 Yes.

00:15:25.000 Is car wrecks cause the most PTSD. Same spots in your brain, that diamond of fire.

00:15:31.000 And that's something you can't avoid, right?

00:15:33.000 You have to go back and be in public transportation or get in your own car.

00:15:37.000 Do you have them from car accidents?

00:15:38.000 No, not from car accidents.

00:15:39.000 What do you think you have it from?

00:15:40.000 From some tough stuff in the rainforest, whether it's Uganda or Congo.

00:15:45.000 We've had to flee from a village whenever a rebel group came into the village next to us, and they killed six or eight people, and we're all fleeing across the river in these little pygmy dugout canoes.

00:15:56.000 Which aren't big enough really for me.

00:15:59.000 And we're trying to flee across the river before the sun's even up.

00:16:02.000 And there's like crocodiles and hippos in the water.

00:16:04.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:16:05.000 And then a couple other really terrible things.

00:16:08.000 I mean, I've held kids that have died and buried them and dug their graves.

00:16:12.000 And that's happened numerous times.

00:16:15.000 We've had machine guns pointed at us.

00:16:17.000 I won't get into that story too much.

00:16:19.000 We talked about that, one of those stories before.

00:16:21.000 Yeah, and someone I love or a bunch of people that I love were with me.

00:16:26.000 So that was really tough because we were unarmed and we were being threatened.

00:16:30.000 And so that was tough.

00:16:32.000 And then some like childhood stuff, I think.

00:16:35.000 Different kinds of abuses.

00:16:36.000 Bullying and stuff like that.

00:16:37.000 Some public shaming and different things like that.

00:16:42.000 I think one bullying moment that I even kind of forgot about until going through this with Dr. Amen was I was in the locker room and this little guy named Raiden that I've been hanging out with a lot, he was just beat up in the bathroom.

00:16:54.000 I saw that video, the video that was online.

00:16:57.000 It's a horrible video of these kids beating him up.

00:16:59.000 But then I saw him with you.

00:17:01.000 Yeah, so that's been fun.

00:17:03.000 What are you doing with him?

00:17:04.000 Man, it's great.

00:17:05.000 Perking up his spirits?

00:17:06.000 Yeah, just wanting to rally around him.

00:17:09.000 That's awesome.

00:17:10.000 Surround him with love and support and compassion.

00:17:12.000 We're in the same town. 0.99

00:17:13.000 No shit. 1.00

00:17:14.000 Yeah, in the same town, Oklahoma City. 0.99

00:17:16.000 Actually, Jamie, is it okay to play one of those videos I saved?

00:17:21.000 It's called Raiden Videos, and it's the first one.

00:17:23.000 But just for people that haven't seen it, you and Dakota talked about this and you and Laird about the diffusion of responsibility.

00:17:31.000 Is that what it's called?

00:17:32.000 Yes.

00:17:32.000 And people can just stand around and watch.

00:17:34.000 Right.

00:17:35.000 Well, that's what happened with Raiden in the urinal.

00:17:37.000 Actually, not this video, but the next one.

00:17:41.000 This one's a fun, supportive one.

00:17:43.000 And then this one right here is just him at the urinal going to the bathroom.

00:17:47.000 I don't want to watch this.

00:17:50.000 Just real quick after that.

00:17:53.000 So that's him at the urinal.

00:17:54.000 There's eight to ten kids in the bathroom.

00:17:57.000 They actually think up to twelve.

00:17:58.000 Four or five are just filming it.

00:18:01.000 He's got special needs.

00:18:02.000 He was born with autism, deaf in his right ear, so he's got a hearing aid.

00:18:07.000 He's diabetic.

00:18:09.000 He's got diabetes in his family, and he's been relentlessly bullied since he was nine years old.

00:18:14.000 This is him.

00:18:15.000 So the bathroom was on Thursday.

00:18:17.000 This is on Friday after school.

00:18:19.000 Three kids jumping him, hitting him from all sides.

00:18:22.000 For no reason.

00:18:23.000 For no reason.

00:18:23.000 He's a big teddy bear.

00:18:25.000 And he just, his mom said since her picking him up at school in kindergarten, first grade, second grade, kids would just walk up and hit him in the stomach or punch him in the arm.

00:18:35.000 Okay, let's stop playing this.

00:18:36.000 Yeah, we don't have to keep playing it.

00:18:38.000 But it's really cool that you reached out to him.

00:18:41.000 Yeah, well, they, I guess, knew about Fight for the Forgotten, and we're in the same town, and so a dad reached out to Jim Stewart.

00:18:47.000 You've met Jim, he's our director.

00:18:50.000 And Jim hit me up right away and said, hey, is this a kid that we could rally around, that you could...

00:18:56.000 We want to do all this.

00:18:57.000 We have a curriculum for bully prevention, and I think character development is bully prevention.

00:19:02.000 So if you have good character, you're not going to bully.

00:19:04.000 Well, that's one of the things that I've always said about martial arts. 0.99

00:19:06.000 Believe it or not, learning how to fight is one of the best ways to keep people from being assholes. 0.99

00:19:11.000 Absolutely. 0.99

00:19:11.000 Which is so counterintuitive, but it really is. 0.99

00:19:13.000 Because a lot of people being bullies, it comes from a lack of confidence.

00:19:17.000 Right.

00:19:17.000 And confident people are generally pretty kind.

00:19:21.000 Yeah.

00:19:21.000 Confident, accomplished people.

00:19:23.000 And you know yourself, so you don't have this need to prove something.

00:19:27.000 Prove yourself.

00:19:27.000 You don't have that insecurity there.

00:19:29.000 Yes, the need to diminish others.

00:19:30.000 You've already worked it out.

00:19:30.000 Right.

00:19:31.000 Yeah.

00:19:31.000 And the other beautiful thing about gyms, particularly jujitsu, I think, is that everybody kind of boosts everybody up.

00:19:37.000 It's a real family, sort of camaraderie.

00:19:40.000 Yeah.

00:19:40.000 Feeling a real, those environments, almost every gym I've ever been to, every jujitsu gym that's good, they have this family environment to it and it just makes you feel like you belong somewhere and you get used to being kind to people and nice to people.

00:19:52.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:19:53.000 Even if someone catches you with a technique, they'll show you.

00:19:57.000 Yeah.

00:19:57.000 They'll show you.

00:19:58.000 This is, you know, you left your arm here when you were transitioning and if you do that, it gets stuck and this is why I can catch you.

00:20:03.000 Yeah.

00:20:03.000 Humble hearts.

00:20:04.000 So with jujitsu or with martial arts, if you hurt your training partner, you lose the person that's helping you get better.

00:20:11.000 And so as you help them get better, they make you better.

00:20:13.000 And it's this give and take where actually the more you give, the more you get in return because you're making them a better...

00:20:19.000 Training partner, a better person.

00:20:21.000 And I think martial arts takes it to another level.

00:20:23.000 I've done numerous sports.

00:20:24.000 My parents, I grew up with them being the professional or official photographers of like the Dallas Cowboys and the Texas Rangers and the Dallas Mavericks.

00:20:32.000 And so I grew up around professional athletes.

00:20:34.000 But what's so different, I think, about martial artists and why people love MMA, one, because the sport's so pure.

00:20:41.000 And it's like a chess match.

00:20:42.000 And it's an incredible sport.

00:20:44.000 But the athletes, they truly are more approachable.

00:20:47.000 And I think that they're more giving and compassionate and more community-minded and driven.

00:20:52.000 Not that other athletes aren't, but just martial artists are.

00:20:56.000 Yes.

00:21:22.000 Yeah.

00:21:37.000 The beauty of competition is two people respecting each other but being aware that they're going to have to go to battle.

00:21:47.000 They're equally skilled, equally trained, and we're going to find out who's got the more effective strategy or implementation, and here we go.

00:21:56.000 But now it's like... 0.99

00:21:58.000 You can't sell a fight without some shit talking. 0.99

00:22:01.000 It's changed from this martial arts thing to sort of this promotion of this thuggish behavior, which again, hypocritically, I enjoy. 0.99

00:22:09.000 I do enjoy it. 0.99

00:22:11.000 You know, when people talk shit, I clap my hands and get a kick out of it. 1.00

00:22:13.000 But I'm a dummy. 0.99

00:22:15.000 Well, one thing pretty cool about jiu-jitsu, what you're saying, one, Rafael wanted me to, he texted me coming in here, that he wanted me to tell you what's up.

00:22:22.000 Oh, tell him I said hi, congratulations.

00:22:24.000 Yeah.

00:22:24.000 Bellator World Champ now.

00:22:26.000 Champion.

00:22:26.000 Champions.

00:22:27.000 That's awesome. 0.99

00:22:27.000 Gegard Massassi talking a lot of shit about him being on steroids. 0.99

00:22:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:22:30.000 Must have not liked the squeeze.

00:22:31.000 Man, he is the most disciplined, obsessed, and...

00:22:37.000 Yeah, just dedicated person.

00:22:39.000 Yeah, that's how you become a champion.

00:22:40.000 I mean, the way that he eats, the way that he trains, sleeps, schedules, everything around him being the world champion, and everyone else has to kind of come around that goal, that dream.

00:22:51.000 Accusations of steroids with no proof whatsoever seems unfortunate.

00:22:57.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:22:57.000 I mean, all this Nate Diaz shit that happened, here's the issue for people to understand what happened with Nate Diaz. 0.97

00:23:05.000 Nate Diaz tested positive for a trace element of something called SARM, S-A-R-M. It's a type of, it's basically a performance-dancing substance, but it's It existed in a minuscule trace amount in a vegan vitamin supplement. 0.97

00:23:21.000 And the reason these things are being found is that the tests that they can run now, the USADA testing, the equipment, is so powerful.

00:23:32.000 It's so much more powerful than it's ever been before that the problem is they're working with tools that are almost too good.

00:23:38.000 So instead of catching people cheating, they're catching people that just have come in contact with something that's illegal.

00:23:45.000 It might have been like the tiniest amount that was in a bin that they also used to mix these vitamins.

00:23:51.000 They didn't clean it properly.

00:23:52.000 You know, minuscule, parts per million. 0.99

00:23:54.000 It's a little tiny amount, but these USADA machines will pick that shit up. 0.93

00:23:58.000 So then it looks like someone like Nate Diaz, who everybody... 0.98

00:24:01.000 There's some people that are beyond reproach.

00:24:03.000 Nate Diaz is one of those.

00:24:04.000 You know he's never been on anything.

00:24:05.000 Never.

00:24:05.000 He's not cheating at all.

00:24:06.000 That's...

00:24:07.000 Enhance his performance.

00:24:08.000 Yeah, well, maybe wheat does, but I don't even think he eats meat.

00:24:12.000 I mean, I think he's very clean with his diet.

00:24:14.000 I know he's eaten fish in the past.

00:24:16.000 There's a Vice video of him out eating with Bourdain, and they're eating fish.

00:24:21.000 I don't know if he still eats fish, but he's very clean with his diet and very clean with his supplements and what he eats.

00:24:26.000 Right.

00:24:27.000 Well, you're talking about jiu-jitsu and Raphael and just how martial arts, how it teaches you that character development.

00:24:32.000 You're going to like this.

00:24:33.000 I got you a couple of gifts, my man.

00:24:36.000 I don't know if you've ever seen someone come in with a suitcase.

00:24:39.000 I have.

00:24:40.000 You have?

00:24:41.000 Yes, but before you give me these gifts, I don't want to lose track of what I was asking about your health.

00:24:46.000 Okay.

00:24:46.000 So what are they doing and what can they do about what you have?

00:24:50.000 So when you said you might have some crazy shit, meaning you might have a parasite that they don't even know yet? 0.99

00:24:56.000 Yes. 1.00

00:24:56.000 So it might be an undiagnosed... 1.00

00:25:00.000 That's why they did my urine blood, stool, hair, and cheek swab samples.

00:25:05.000 So it's possible that you have something that very few human beings have ever had because you're in this deep, deep, deep jungle.

00:25:13.000 How long does it take you to get to where you go?

00:25:15.000 Well, it depends on where we go.

00:25:17.000 The deepest place.

00:25:19.000 Okay, a plane from Oklahoma City to normally Chicago or Dulles or JFK or Atlanta.

00:25:26.000 And then we go to Amsterdam or London or is it Qatar or Qatar?

00:25:32.000 I think it's Qatar.

00:25:33.000 Qatar, okay.

00:25:33.000 I think.

00:25:34.000 And then we'll fly either from there to Nairobi, Kenya or Kigali, Rwanda.

00:25:39.000 And then from there you connect to Kampala, Uganda.

00:25:43.000 And then from there, you get a private missions or humanitarian plane that's just you and the pilot.

00:25:51.000 And so you take that plane from Uganda to Congo, and then you land, you do customs, and then you get back in the plane, and you go and you land on a runway that...

00:26:02.000 Normally, they have just cleared with machetes.

00:26:05.000 So how many times are you flying from Oklahoma City?

00:26:09.000 Let's just say Oklahoma City to JFK. JFK to London.

00:26:12.000 Two planes.

00:26:12.000 So two to London.

00:26:14.000 London to...

00:26:15.000 Kenya.

00:26:16.000 Kenya to Uganda.

00:26:19.000 Four.

00:26:20.000 Uganda to Congo, five.

00:26:22.000 And then you get the plane again to go out to the range.

00:26:26.000 So six planes.

00:26:27.000 Six flights, at least.

00:26:28.000 Five planes.

00:26:29.000 How many days?

00:26:30.000 That's normally two or three days.

00:26:33.000 And then 30 hours or something of travel.

00:26:36.000 And then after that, you get in a car and it could be six hours.

00:26:39.000 So where you land used to be in the rainforest.

00:26:42.000 But you drive six hours now to get to the rainforest.

00:26:45.000 How come?

00:26:46.000 Because it's deforestation so bad.

00:26:48.000 The deforestation in the last 25 years, they've cut down about the size of Texas.

00:26:53.000 It's pretty wild.

00:26:54.000 We've helped replant 4,000 trees, but that's not even scratching the surface.

00:26:58.000 Who's doing this?

00:26:58.000 Who's deforesting?

00:27:00.000 Everybody.

00:27:02.000 It's a lot of Chinese, UK, and outsiders that come in and exploit the rainforest. 1.00

00:27:10.000 There's a lot of mahogany in the area.

00:27:13.000 What is it?

00:27:14.000 Ebony.

00:27:15.000 Do they get licenses to do this?

00:27:18.000 No, no, no.

00:27:19.000 They just do it?

00:27:20.000 They just send someone in and cut down the trees and pay the locals to do it.

00:27:23.000 So no one stops them?

00:27:25.000 No.

00:27:25.000 So they just claim the resources they don't have?

00:27:27.000 On the border, they might have to pay some sort of bribe or tax.

00:27:30.000 They call them VAT. Wow.

00:27:32.000 VAT or taxes.

00:27:33.000 They call them VAT? Yeah, V-A-T. That's the Ugandan way to say taxes.

00:27:38.000 Oh, man.

00:27:38.000 And then from there, that drive, that six hours, sometimes it's taken 25 hours one time, and another time it took 47 hours.

00:27:47.000 Same drive.

00:27:48.000 47?

00:27:49.000 Yeah.

00:27:49.000 Why did it take 47?

00:27:51.000 Oh, I think we helped get 40-something cars out of the way that were stuck in the mud.

00:27:56.000 So it's really silty there.

00:27:58.000 You don't call Congo roads, roads.

00:28:00.000 I've never been on tarmac in Congo.

00:28:03.000 Actually, that's why.

00:28:03.000 I have been on cement in Goma.

00:28:07.000 But outside of Goma, there are no concrete roads anywhere, tarmac roads.

00:28:12.000 So I've seen an 18-wheeler or lorry three-fourths of the way sunk to where it's up to their window, the driver's side window, up to silt.

00:28:22.000 How'd they get it out?

00:28:23.000 I don't know that one.

00:28:24.000 That one was just kind of in the graveyard.

00:28:25.000 That one was like done.

00:28:26.000 No one's getting that thing out.

00:28:27.000 Really?

00:28:28.000 Yeah.

00:28:28.000 So it's just there.

00:28:29.000 I mean, you're going around mountains and you look down to the side and you'll see four, eight, twelve vehicles that have flipped off of that corner. 0.99

00:28:38.000 Oh, fuck this, Justin! 0.99

00:28:40.000 I'm not kidding. 1.00

00:28:41.000 Goddammit. 0.96

00:28:41.000 There's some vice videos of the craziest roads in the world. 0.96

00:28:45.000 A lot of them are in Congo.

00:28:46.000 Some say Rwanda because there's so many hills.

00:28:48.000 It's the land of a thousand hills.

00:28:50.000 And so there's so many sharp turns.

00:28:52.000 And they take those turns at 40, 50, 60 miles an hour.

00:28:55.000 And so they'll literally just fly off the mountain. 0.51

00:28:58.000 So you catch this parasite.

00:29:01.000 You've gone through all these...

00:29:02.000 I mean, this has been...

00:29:03.000 We've been talking about it on the podcast for several months now.

00:29:06.000 So for me, hearing that you're still dealing with it is...

00:29:09.000 Really disturbing.

00:29:10.000 What can they do about this?

00:29:12.000 What are they going to do about this?

00:29:13.000 I think getting off that cleanse.

00:29:15.000 I mean, I was on 28 pills for four weeks, maybe five weeks.

00:29:20.000 And some of it were like antibiotics, but I have to stay away from certain antibiotics.

00:29:24.000 Here's a couple of things that I know I have.

00:29:27.000 PTSD because of my brain scans.

00:29:31.000 And then they see in my brain toxicity.

00:29:34.000 And so the toxicity in my brain, which kind of form these little divots, but not really divots.

00:29:41.000 It's not really changing the biology or makeup of my brain, but it's just activity of my brain isn't fully developed right there.

00:29:50.000 Toxins are there that are either from mefloquine or from Cipro.

00:29:55.000 Have you heard of Cipro toxicity?

00:29:57.000 What's the first one?

00:29:58.000 Mephiloquin.

00:29:59.000 What is that stuff?

00:30:00.000 That's a malaria drug.

00:30:01.000 That nobody should take for any reason.

00:30:04.000 It used to be the drug of choice for our military.

00:30:08.000 Now tens of thousands of our military veterans, if you look up mefloquine toxicity, military times, they've done two articles.

00:30:15.000 One was just a month or two ago.

00:30:17.000 But the first one showed that tens of thousands of our military veterans have wrongly been diagnosed with PTSD. And it's been because of this mefloquine.

00:30:25.000 So they never saw war.

00:30:27.000 The mefloquine toxicity of the brain, it's like this poison for your brain.

00:30:32.000 And if you've taken it for like six months, you can have it.

00:30:35.000 It starts giving you bad nightmares.

00:30:38.000 You can have different kinds of mood swings and different stuff.

00:30:45.000 Right.

00:30:51.000 Right.

00:31:05.000 Well, when I had malaria the three times, I was allergic to the normal malaria medication, quinine and artefan and some other drugs like doxycycline and malarone.

00:31:17.000 I wasn't responding to those well.

00:31:18.000 I was vomiting.

00:31:19.000 I was allergic to them.

00:31:22.000 So mefloquine, my body digested the best or I just took it the best.

00:31:26.000 So the three times I had malaria, they gave me two in the morning, two at midday, and two at night.

00:31:31.000 And so I'm taking six in a day for five to seven days.

00:31:35.000 And these other guys that were getting methicone toxicity were taking it once a week for six months.

00:31:41.000 So I had 30 to 42 in a week's time.

00:31:44.000 I had six months in a week's time.

00:31:46.000 And I did that three different times.

00:31:48.000 Why are they giving you so much?

00:31:49.000 It was what my body was responding to against malaria.

00:31:53.000 The first time I lost 33 pounds in five days.

00:31:55.000 And so I was vomiting red and green, blood and bile.

00:31:58.000 I lost most of my hearing.

00:32:00.000 My peripheral vision started disappearing.

00:32:02.000 I had something called blackwater fever where my urine was literally as dark as that black clock. 0.85

00:32:08.000 Take pictures of it?

00:32:09.000 I didn't.

00:32:10.000 I probably should have.

00:32:11.000 It freaked me out.

00:32:12.000 Five days I didn't urinate.

00:32:14.000 And then when I finally did, if you Google blackwater fever, One in four or one in two people that get it, they die.

00:32:21.000 You didn't urinate for how many days?

00:32:23.000 Five days.

00:32:23.000 Five days I couldn't pee.

00:32:24.000 Oh, my God.

00:32:25.000 They were trying to get IVs in me.

00:32:28.000 My veins were collapsing.

00:32:29.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:32:30.000 So that was pretty brutal.

00:32:34.000 But yeah, man, so I'm getting my health better there because I do want to fight.

00:32:39.000 But how can you if you have this stuff in your brain?

00:32:43.000 I'm journaling my road to recovery.

00:32:47.000 But if they don't know what this parasite is, how are they treating it?

00:32:51.000 How are they going to get it out of your system?

00:32:53.000 Hopefully they don't find anything because I just got off those rounds of...

00:32:56.000 So they're testing me for Lyme disease.

00:32:58.000 They're testing me for all these kind of parasites, amoebas, bacterias.

00:33:02.000 You can get Lyme disease in the Congo?

00:33:03.000 Yeah.

00:33:03.000 Well, I've been camping out here and I've gotten bit by five or ten ticks or something like that.

00:33:10.000 But yeah, there's these wicked kind of ticks.

00:33:13.000 My record is pulling five roaches out of my beard in one night.

00:33:17.000 Oh, Christ.

00:33:18.000 So there's tons of bugs there.

00:33:19.000 Do you know, does Oklahoma have that Rocky Mountain tick?

00:33:23.000 I think so.

00:33:24.000 Or the Lone Star tick?

00:33:26.000 Yes.

00:33:26.000 The one that gives you a meat allergy?

00:33:28.000 Have you had that one?

00:33:29.000 I've been bit by that one.

00:33:31.000 I don't think I have a meat allergy, though.

00:33:32.000 I hope not.

00:33:33.000 Yeah, that's a crazy one.

00:33:35.000 What is it called?

00:33:36.000 Alpha-gal?

00:33:37.000 Alpha-galactose?

00:33:38.000 It's something that, it's the reaction that this tick bite gives you.

00:33:45.000 It makes you allergic to this specific element in red meat.

00:33:49.000 Wow.

00:33:49.000 Yeah, you can only eat fish and like if you try to eat meat you'll get really sick.

00:33:52.000 Wow.

00:33:53.000 It's crazy.

00:33:54.000 That is crazy.

00:33:55.000 But they're trying to figure it out why.

00:33:58.000 This is going to be crazy.

00:34:00.000 Why I'm 32 and I've had shingles five times.

00:34:04.000 My first time I got malaria, I don't know if you can see the white in my beard over here, but I got white in my beard the first time I had malaria.

00:34:11.000 The second time I had malaria, I had white come out in my beard down here.

00:34:15.000 So your body's just freaking out.

00:34:16.000 Yeah.

00:34:17.000 So now I've got shingles five times.

00:34:20.000 And then this is going to sound crazy, but I know I have to have a...

00:34:24.000 This might be too much information, but I know I have to have a bowel movement whenever my nose starts running.

00:34:30.000 Hmm.

00:34:31.000 So, literally, whenever I have to go, my nose starts running and running and running.

00:34:38.000 How is that connected?

00:34:39.000 I don't know.

00:34:40.000 That's what they're looking into.

00:34:41.000 They're like, that's your second brain.

00:34:45.000 And so, I don't know, it's digestion.

00:34:47.000 Your stomach is your second brain, they said.

00:34:49.000 Oh, that's why they say trust your gut.

00:34:51.000 Trust your gut.

00:34:52.000 Yeah.

00:34:52.000 It's got literally more neurons in your stomach than in your brain.

00:34:55.000 Really?

00:34:55.000 That's what the doctor was saying.

00:34:57.000 I know that's the case with your heart as well, right?

00:34:59.000 There's a bunch of neurons in your heart that they're realizing now, like that whole idea of trusting your heart, trusting your gut, like these thought processes that people had might have actually been based on some intuitive understanding of how the body actually works.

00:35:15.000 Wow.

00:35:15.000 It's really weird.

00:35:16.000 It is weird.

00:35:17.000 Really weird.

00:35:17.000 Strange.

00:35:18.000 Everything's connected, right?

00:35:20.000 Everything's connected.

00:35:21.000 That's not weird, really.

00:35:22.000 Okay.

00:35:22.000 I mean, it makes sense over time.

00:35:24.000 The doctors in Oklahoma are like, we have no explanation for that.

00:35:27.000 And then the doctors out here are like, oh, that's because this is connected to this.

00:35:30.000 And they did all my blood work, even though they did more blood labs before I ever came out here, like a week or two ago.

00:35:37.000 They still poked me five more times to get more blood at work because, well, three times they were drawing blood, two times they were putting that stuff in me so they could do the brain scans.

00:35:46.000 So you're getting better doctors out here, more informed.

00:35:49.000 Yeah, more informed.

00:35:50.000 And then, man, have you heard of hyperbarics?

00:35:54.000 Yes.

00:35:54.000 I know Uriah Faber used it quite a bit after his fight with Jose Aldo.

00:35:58.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:35:59.000 When Aldo fucked his leg up. 0.50

00:36:00.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:36:00.000 His leg swole up real bad. 0.99

00:36:02.000 I'm telling you, this is one of the biggest game changers.

00:36:05.000 I love to float.

00:36:06.000 Go and float tanks. 0.96

00:36:07.000 I've done it at least 50 times.

00:36:09.000 At Float OKC in Oklahoma, my wife and I, that's our date night.

00:36:13.000 Once a week, we go and we do that.

00:36:16.000 And I float fight week at least twice a week.

00:36:19.000 I really believe in floating.

00:36:22.000 Hyperbarics is unlike anything I've ever done and felt immediate long-lasting benefits from.

00:36:27.000 How so?

00:36:28.000 What does it make you feel like?

00:36:29.000 I get better sleep than I've ever gotten.

00:36:30.000 That was instant almost.

00:36:32.000 I mean, I noticed it the first night.

00:36:33.000 The second night, I've done over 20 treatments now of hyperbarics.

00:36:36.000 You get in the tank, you put on an oxygen mask, and they fill the tank up with oxygen.

00:36:42.000 And you lay there for an hour and a half to two hours.

00:36:44.000 Some people only takes an hour, but I'm bigger and they take me to a lower depth.

00:36:47.000 And then my ears kind of mess up on me a little bit on flights.

00:36:51.000 They kind of get clogged up or whatever.

00:36:53.000 Because of the hyperbaric chamber?

00:36:54.000 No, it's just they've always done that on planes.

00:36:56.000 And so it's like you're in a plane when you're in the hyperbarics.

00:37:00.000 And what it does is it pressurizes...

00:37:04.000 I think?

00:37:23.000 Um, everything happens for a reason, you know, or there's, there's not a lot of coincidences.

00:37:27.000 I just started hyperbarics two or three days before I met Raiden.

00:37:33.000 Then I'm doing it and they're saying it's one of the best things for concussions.

00:37:37.000 Raiden gets a concussion from one of those fights.

00:37:40.000 Um, or maybe it was one of the ones that wasn't on the fight, but they diagnosed him.

00:37:43.000 I was with the doctors and his mom and his dad.

00:37:47.000 We're good to go.

00:38:09.000 And he just made NBC Nightly News, I think Fox News and ABC. He's making the news everywhere because of his comeback story.

00:38:18.000 The kid probably should have never been able to eat again on his own, especially never be able to walk.

00:38:24.000 His parents were told that he would be left in a vegetative state.

00:38:27.000 And if you have that Caleb Freeman video, he got in a vicious car accident.

00:38:32.000 Sixteen years old.

00:38:33.000 He had just started driving.

00:38:34.000 He was the number one cross-country runner at his school, but also in his district.

00:38:39.000 And then he got in this brutal car accident.

00:38:42.000 Here's the video of him trying to learn to put up the finger number one again.

00:38:47.000 He's trying to do a one.

00:38:48.000 That's his dad kind of coaching him.

00:38:51.000 But he was the number one cross-country runner.

00:38:53.000 Now he's trying to get him to do a thumbs up.

00:38:54.000 And this is all from brain damage.

00:38:56.000 Yep.

00:38:59.000 Yeah.

00:39:12.000 I think he was in a coma or he was in intensive care for so long.

00:39:17.000 And so his dad's trying to get him to do a thumbs up.

00:39:20.000 You know, he's trying his hardest to do that.

00:39:22.000 You can go to the second video.

00:39:24.000 And they're telling him, you should really try hyperbarics.

00:39:28.000 They try everything you can.

00:39:29.000 And so the whole community has rallied around him in Oklahoma.

00:39:33.000 He's from Newcastle, where one of our board members are from.

00:39:36.000 And they're trying to help him learn to walk again, assist it.

00:39:39.000 I don't know what they have him in here.

00:39:40.000 Did he break his arm?

00:39:41.000 Yeah, he broke his arm.

00:39:42.000 Did he fall down and break his arm?

00:39:43.000 Because in the other picture, it seemed like he didn't have a...

00:39:46.000 I actually don't know.

00:39:48.000 This is post-accident?

00:39:49.000 Yeah, this is post-accident.

00:39:50.000 So maybe this was before that other video.

00:39:53.000 So which video are you trying to show then?

00:39:56.000 I'm trying to show you both of these because this is how far gone he was.

00:40:00.000 And then after 40 hyperbaric treatments...

00:40:03.000 They say, get him in there, it'll flood his brain with oxygen.

00:40:06.000 When it has the oxygen, it'll reproduce the blood flow, and that'll bring actual healing into his brain.

00:40:12.000 And so that third video is right here.

00:40:16.000 He was the number one cross-country runner at his school.

00:40:21.000 So now he's trying to learn how to do cross-country again.

00:40:24.000 He wasn't ever supposed to walk again on his own.

00:40:26.000 He came in there to the hyper barracks, assisted like you saw, where people are assisting him on both sides.

00:40:32.000 He does 40 treatments of hyperbarics, and then all of a sudden he walks up and down the football field 14 times unassisted.

00:40:40.000 Nothing changed.

00:40:41.000 Just 40 hyperbaric treatments.

00:40:44.000 The doctor's like, you gotta keep doing this.

00:40:46.000 Yeah, that next video is actually him.

00:40:48.000 That's a JPEG. Oh, that's us at hyperbarics with Raiden.

00:40:52.000 That's the young man that got the concussion on the right.

00:40:54.000 In this video right here, I don't know if there's volume, but this is actually a pretty special video.

00:41:01.000 This is after 80 treatments.

00:41:04.000 He's literally finishing his cross-country run again.

00:41:07.000 And he was never supposed to walk.

00:41:09.000 And that's after like three or five miles.

00:41:12.000 Wow.

00:41:13.000 And how's his ability to communicate?

00:41:15.000 Is that coming back as well?

00:41:16.000 Yeah, he was actually texting me this morning.

00:41:17.000 He texted me that picture of us and Raiden.

00:41:19.000 Wow.

00:41:21.000 And his dad actually forgot.

00:41:23.000 He goes, where do we take that picture again?

00:41:26.000 Or I don't have it saved.

00:41:27.000 And Caleb goes, it's in your phone, Dad.

00:41:29.000 Just look.

00:41:30.000 And so he's able to recollect a lot of different stuff.

00:41:34.000 That's amazing.

00:41:35.000 So this is all something that you're experiencing as well for your treatment. 0.92

00:41:39.000 And for the parasites? 0.99

00:41:40.000 Yep. 0.98

00:41:40.000 And I've literally never gotten better sleep. 0.98

00:41:43.000 I feel more positive when I come out of it.

00:41:46.000 And then I feel like I can focus better because one of the things that they saw in my brain scans where I have PTSD and then I have real severe ADD. And they can see that on how my brain functions.

00:41:59.000 I guess there's like eight different types of ADD brains. 1.00

00:42:02.000 Dude, don't put me in one of those fucking things. 1.00

00:42:03.000 I don't even want to know. 0.99

00:42:04.000 I think you need to do it.

00:42:05.000 I don't even want to know what's wrong with me.

00:42:06.000 Dr. Amen's awesome, man.

00:42:07.000 And so then I have that.

00:42:09.000 And then so going into the oxygen, they can see from scan one to scan two how my brain is actually functioning better.

00:42:18.000 And the spots with ADD have kind of cooled off a little bit.

00:42:22.000 The spots of PTSD have literally kind of gone down a little bit.

00:42:27.000 And so that was Caleb's story.

00:42:29.000 There's also this girl named Eden Carlson.

00:42:32.000 In Eden Carlson, there's like a minute clip on the New York Post, and they did it on YouTube.

00:42:38.000 This girl drowned for two hours. 1.00

00:42:40.000 She was facing float down in a pool, or face down in a pool.

00:42:44.000 Her mom pulled her out. 0.97

00:42:45.000 Maybe 15 minutes, she drowned.

00:42:48.000 For two hours, she didn't breathe.

00:42:50.000 She didn't have a heartbeat.

00:42:52.000 And then at the hospital, they miraculously got her back.

00:42:55.000 Her story's all over.

00:42:56.000 If you just Google Eden Carlson.

00:42:57.000 She was dead for two hours.

00:42:59.000 Two hours.

00:43:00.000 Eden Carlson.

00:43:01.000 Eden Carlson.

00:43:04.000 She's the first one to have brain damage reversal. 0.97

00:43:09.000 Scientifically proven.

00:43:10.000 They've done all the MRIs and CAT scans.

00:43:12.000 Wow.

00:43:12.000 From the hyperbarics.

00:43:13.000 From hyperbarics.

00:43:14.000 So how is she now?

00:43:16.000 Is she normal?

00:43:17.000 Man, I think this is worth trying to pull up one of those videos.

00:43:20.000 It's New York Post, Eden.

00:43:23.000 Oh, okay, you can't pose that.

00:43:24.000 But literally, there's an Eden Carlson video on YouTube, and it's wild to see how she's recovered and how they told her she would never be able to eat again, never be able to go to school, never be able to do that.

00:43:38.000 Now she's basically a normal little girl again.

00:43:40.000 Look at her there. 0.98

00:43:41.000 Yeah.

00:43:42.000 So cute.

00:43:42.000 Right there.

00:43:43.000 With a little smile.

00:43:44.000 That's amazing.

00:43:45.000 Her mom is like a huge advocate for it now.

00:43:48.000 That's incredible.

00:43:49.000 But with you, what do they have to do?

00:43:52.000 Like, they have to find out whether or not the parasites are still in your system, identify the parasites, because it could be an unknown parasite.

00:43:59.000 Right.

00:43:59.000 Well, they know it's shisto, and if I've had shisto in me for as long as they think, they don't think it started in April.

00:44:05.000 They think maybe that was another, not an onset, but took it to another level.

00:44:10.000 When I went there and got sick...

00:44:14.000 And it was brutal.

00:44:15.000 I mean, I was hugging basically the, not the toilet, but the latrine while I was in Uganda in April, in May.

00:44:25.000 I mean, I was just so sick.

00:44:27.000 This hyperbaric is helping you, but you're still not able to train right now.

00:44:30.000 You don't have a fight scheduled at any time.

00:44:33.000 I don't have a fight scheduled, but I would like to fight first quarter of next year if I can.

00:44:37.000 Is that Literally possible?

00:44:38.000 I mean, if you're not...

00:44:39.000 Six months from now, I have another follow-up appointment here in March, and we're going to have a lot more data to show, like from my blood work to my bacteria in my stomach to those brain scans are going to be the big thing that show how my brain has started to heal,

00:44:58.000 how my body started to feel, and show my health just increasing.

00:45:03.000 Right.

00:45:04.000 That's the goal.

00:45:05.000 I'm on this mission to get healthy so I can fight again, but also just so that I can function better and have not these big swings.

00:45:14.000 So the hyperbaric chamber is helping you, but yet you're still feeling some serious significance.

00:45:20.000 I just started the hyperbarics a month ago.

00:45:22.000 Okay.

00:45:22.000 So I'm 20 treatments in.

00:45:24.000 I need to get 40 done as soon as possible.

00:45:27.000 And then they think I'll probably do another round of 40. And then, yeah, I mean, seeing how Caleb's doing, I mean, Caleb showed me this.

00:45:38.000 This is wild.

00:45:39.000 I come in, and I'm about to get in the chamber with him, and he shows me his hands shaking.

00:45:47.000 And he's showing me, I don't know what that's called, but it's whenever, is that when Parkinson's and different stuff?

00:45:54.000 Like you have those kind of shakes in your hand or Alzheimer's or whatever that is.

00:45:59.000 So Caleb's got that and he gets in the chamber.

00:46:03.000 90 minutes later, we get out.

00:46:04.000 He shows me his hand and it's completely still and he can put contacts back in his eyes.

00:46:09.000 Whoa.

00:46:10.000 But before, there's no way at all that he can get contacts in his eyes.

00:46:13.000 Afterwards, his body's calmed down enough, his brain has enough oxygen and blood flow in it that he can put his contacts back in.

00:46:20.000 That's insane.

00:46:21.000 Yeah.

00:46:22.000 So, Raiden, his parents say that he was always up and down in the middle of the night and that they'd have to try to put him back to sleep.

00:46:29.000 And now he just, once he's asleep, he's asleep until they wake him up.

00:46:33.000 They think it's helping with his autism, his diabetes, his AC1 levels or whatever those are called.

00:46:39.000 Those have started to come down.

00:46:42.000 And what the doctors have told us is like there's nothing better.

00:46:45.000 The doctors take an oath that say to do no harm.

00:46:49.000 Like that's first and foremost is to do no harm.

00:46:52.000 And like if someone has a concussion or if someone has autism or if someone has this bacteria or a parasite that might be in the brain, why not flood the body on a cellular level?

00:47:04.000 Oh, you're going to love this part.

00:47:06.000 That can increase your stem cells by eight times in your body.

00:47:10.000 So it's one of the best treatments for whenever you have the stem cells injected in you.

00:47:15.000 So I had the MSCs, the mesenchymal stem cells from my hip put in my shoulder.

00:47:20.000 They said one of the best things I could have done for it would have been to get in a hyperbaric chamber because that would promote the stem cell growth and life of the stem cells because they're cells and you're pushing oxygen into the cells and increasing blood flow into it and you're extending their life and helping them reproduce.

00:47:39.000 So it's one of the best things out there, Joe.

00:47:41.000 I wouldn't be talking about it like this without Rafael is getting into it.

00:47:46.000 Joe Namath.

00:47:46.000 Joe Namath has his own clinic now for hyperbarics.

00:47:51.000 Yeah, he's doing that to reverse his brain trauma for football, right?

00:47:54.000 I read about that.

00:47:55.000 Right, and it's the first time there's ever been documented cases of brain trauma reversal.

00:48:00.000 Where if you can heal your brain, you can basically heal your life.

00:48:03.000 Where you have a healthy brain, you have a healthy life.

00:48:05.000 Dude, we need a hyperbaric chamber in here. 0.50

00:48:07.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:48:08.000 You buy portable units?

00:48:09.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:48:10.000 I use something called a Seacrest, which I think you would really like.

00:48:13.000 It's the hard chamber.

00:48:14.000 It's glass.

00:48:15.000 You have one in your house?

00:48:16.000 No, but the Seacrest one, there's Joe Namath doing it.

00:48:19.000 I think Michael Phelps does it, you know, getting in the water.

00:48:22.000 Look at that.

00:48:24.000 Wow.

00:48:25.000 Literally, it's wild at how much stuff it actually helps.

00:48:29.000 So what's the prognosis, like with you, with the doctors that have looked for parasites, they're doing all this blood scan, do they think that they're going to be able to straighten you out?

00:48:37.000 They think so.

00:48:38.000 They think with doing a holistic approach where medication can come in at a later date.

00:48:45.000 I had this doctor that said, oh, you have PTSD, here's these pills.

00:48:48.000 Oh, you have depression, here's these pills.

00:48:51.000 Okay, now you're starting to have anxiety for the first time in your life.

00:48:55.000 You've never had it before.

00:48:56.000 Here's some more pills.

00:48:59.000 Oh, you think you have ADD? Here's some more pills.

00:49:01.000 They put me on three or four different pills at the same time.

00:49:04.000 I started feeling like a zombie.

00:49:05.000 I felt weird.

00:49:08.000 I felt like I started having electricity running through my veins or something.

00:49:12.000 My muscles started twitching.

00:49:14.000 My eyelid was constantly spasming.

00:49:17.000 So the doctors that have looked at this, all the various ailments that you have, and they don't want you to do pills.

00:49:23.000 So what do they want you to do and what do they think is going to be able to happen?

00:49:27.000 They think you'll be able to fight again?

00:49:29.000 So Dr. Amen, he's a guy that says, man, our brains are the, literally, you can live, they can do lung transplants, right?

00:49:40.000 And heart transplants and kidney transplants.

00:49:42.000 Like you can't do a brain transplant.

00:49:44.000 Right.

00:49:45.000 And so he's saying that anyone that's in a brain-damaging occupation, and he said whether that's fighting football or even being a firefighter, because that is a brain-damaging occupation.

00:49:55.000 You're breathing in burning couches, which are putting off all these harmful chemicals.

00:50:01.000 And so he said you want to protect it.

00:50:04.000 And promote your brain health as much as you possibly can.

00:50:08.000 Right.

00:50:09.000 So he's a brilliant guy and he's going to be on weekly calls with me, guiding me, keeping me accountable on how am I protecting my sleep?

00:50:18.000 How am I, what am I getting to eat?

00:50:21.000 You know, also supplementation.

00:50:24.000 What's that one that you were on here with David Sinclair talking about?

00:50:27.000 NMN? It's like that.

00:50:30.000 Rolls...

00:50:31.000 Resveratrol?

00:50:32.000 Yes, that one.

00:50:33.000 Yeah, it's not a drug.

00:50:33.000 It's an antioxidant.

00:50:35.000 Well, that plus some of the other things that you guys were talking about, they're all in his supplements where he tells you, go get these supplements from here and here and make sure that you're optimizing your brain health.

00:50:46.000 So it seems like there's a bunch of different things going on.

00:50:48.000 With the PTSD, PTSD has to do with things that you've seen in your childhood.

00:50:53.000 But then you've got the drug, the...

00:50:56.000 Methyloquine toxicity of the brain or Cipro toxicity.

00:51:00.000 Have you heard of Cipro, what it does to you?

00:51:02.000 No.

00:51:02.000 What is Cipro?

00:51:03.000 Cipro is probably the number one antibiotic for intestinal bacterias.

00:51:09.000 So if you get intestinal bacteria, they give you this Cipro.

00:51:13.000 And what happens with that?

00:51:14.000 It kicks the bug out, whatever it is.

00:51:17.000 It's like the number one thing for humanitarians to take with you overseas.

00:51:20.000 But a huge side effect now is cartilage, ligaments, and muscle tears.

00:51:29.000 Oh, I have heard of that.

00:51:30.000 I have heard of people taking extreme antibiotics for staph infections.

00:51:35.000 Yep, so Cipro is for staffs.

00:51:37.000 And then afterwards, so you're taking it because you got it wrestling.

00:51:40.000 You take Cipro, you clear up, and you go back into wrestling.

00:51:44.000 Now all of a sudden you tear your Achilles tendon.

00:51:45.000 Yeah, and how long does it last?

00:51:48.000 How long does it weaken your ligaments and everything for?

00:51:49.000 It's at least for six months, they say.

00:51:51.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:51:51.000 But it could be for a year or longer.

00:51:54.000 What the fuck? 0.99

00:51:54.000 And so I took Cipro while I was in Congo for my gut health and in Uganda. 0.99

00:52:00.000 Well, I tore my left labrum.

00:52:02.000 I came back.

00:52:04.000 I got another round of sickness.

00:52:07.000 I took Cipro.

00:52:08.000 I come back.

00:52:09.000 I tear my right labrum.

00:52:10.000 Come back. 0.71

00:52:11.000 I tear my meniscus.

00:52:13.000 And so they're like, you probably definitely have probably Cipro and mefloquine toxicity.

00:52:17.000 Did you get operations on your labrum or your meniscus?

00:52:20.000 Yeah.

00:52:20.000 So you got your labrum surgically repaired, both of them.

00:52:23.000 No, just the left one, but I need the right one, I think. 1.00

00:52:26.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:52:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:52:27.000 And then I got my meniscus trimmed up. 1.00

00:52:29.000 Jesus.

00:52:31.000 Man, it's been wild.

00:52:32.000 Dude, you've been through the ringer.

00:52:34.000 Yeah, it's been wild.

00:52:35.000 But it's all been worth it.

00:52:36.000 This stuff that happened with...

00:52:38.000 Dustin Poirier and Khabib and then Dana matching it.

00:52:43.000 I mean, that blew us away.

00:52:46.000 Well, explain what you mean because people don't understand what you're saying.

00:52:49.000 Dustin donating money for Fight for the Forgotten and Dana matching that money and Khabib as well.

00:52:54.000 Yeah, it was nuts.

00:52:55.000 So for that fight, which was basically the modern-day Rocky story, the undefeated Russian, they're building an arena for him.

00:53:02.000 Yeah.

00:53:04.000 Arguably never lost a round, potentially, or at least a fight.

00:53:08.000 And Dustin goes there, the underdog, and he started the Good Fight Foundation, his own foundation with his wife, Jolie, and they're awesome.

00:53:16.000 I was actually on my first ever bowfishing trip, and I get a call or a text, Instagram message from Jolie, saying that Dustin and her want to help us raise funds for this fight.

00:53:28.000 So I get back to them, then they call me, and I literally have a bow fishing thing in my hand.

00:53:34.000 It was my first time going.

00:53:35.000 I didn't get anything.

00:53:36.000 But anyways, they say they want to help us raise funds.

00:53:40.000 I'm like, this is awesome.

00:53:43.000 They put up a fundraiser for $25,000 to help us drill a well for an orphanage.

00:53:49.000 So this orphanage for the Pygmies there, it's a school, but they've all lost their parents, a lot of them because of HIV. And their water source was taken out by a flood, a torrential flood that happened there.

00:54:03.000 So in the 80s, they had built this kind of sort of well.

00:54:06.000 It's more called a spring box.

00:54:08.000 It was like a mountain-fed spring.

00:54:10.000 Well, the mud got all in it.

00:54:12.000 It busted up the pipes from the 80s.

00:54:14.000 There was no way to recover that thing.

00:54:16.000 We're good to go.

00:54:34.000 And so through the fight, we had it funded.

00:54:38.000 And then after that, the fund just kept coming in.

00:54:40.000 Dustin and Khabib exchanged shirts.

00:54:43.000 And then Khabib said he was going to auction off his shirt and give 100% of it to Dustin.

00:54:47.000 So that brought in $100,000.

00:54:50.000 Dana said he would match it.

00:54:52.000 Dana matched it.

00:54:54.000 And so we're going to be able to drill seven wells now, not just one with a water tower.

00:54:59.000 But seven wells.

00:55:01.000 We're serving the other six right now.

00:55:03.000 We're getting close to finishing the first one.

00:55:05.000 So has this, the parasites and this disease, has this in any way weakened your desire to go back there?

00:55:11.000 No, not weak in my desire to go back there.

00:55:13.000 Just influenced or encouraged me to be a little smarter when I'm there.

00:55:19.000 What could you do differently?

00:55:20.000 Just not go in the water?

00:55:23.000 I could stay in nicer places.

00:55:25.000 Like the doc team stayed in a hotel last time.

00:55:28.000 You didn't?

00:55:29.000 I actually did.

00:55:31.000 And that was the first time I had ever done that.

00:55:34.000 Normally I sleep in the twig and leaf huts.

00:55:36.000 I sleep on the dirt.

00:55:37.000 And if I'm rained on, I'm rained on.

00:55:40.000 And I don't use a mosquito net and things like that.

00:55:44.000 I wanted to live like they lived and not have any of the real comforts and luxuries.

00:55:50.000 And then they'll wonder why they don't have that or this or the other.

00:55:55.000 Right.

00:55:55.000 But yeah, now I'm going to take my own food.

00:55:57.000 I'm not going to eat the food there that can be contaminated.

00:56:02.000 I'm going to make sure everything I eat, you know, I have clean hands before I eat it.

00:56:06.000 And I normally do that, but just double checking everything, Purell, eat the food I bring, sleep in a hotel, and just go on day trips there.

00:56:17.000 And that'll probably be smarter anyways, because if we bring someone with us, normally it's just me going.

00:56:23.000 But last time we brought Chris Cyborg.

00:56:25.000 And she helped with the kids.

00:56:27.000 She helped drill two wells there. 0.92

00:56:28.000 So that was awesome.

00:56:29.000 We're up to 16 wells now in Uganda.

00:56:31.000 Wow.

00:56:32.000 61 total.

00:56:34.000 And we're about to get 30 acres of land with the money that came in from Dustin and Khabib.

00:56:39.000 Was she concerned at all about catching anything while she was there?

00:56:42.000 Yeah.

00:56:42.000 She got a little sick.

00:56:44.000 But I think it was just from this chicken that we had.

00:56:48.000 It's like chicken soup.

00:56:49.000 I don't think they maybe cooked the chicken long enough.

00:56:53.000 And so she got a little sick from that.

00:56:56.000 But no, I think going back is going to be okay and then doing strategic smaller trips.

00:57:04.000 What really messed up Chris was – so in Uganda, the pygmies lived in the Similiki National Forest, which was bordering Congo. 1.00

00:57:13.000 Well, they were kicked out of the rainforest by the Ugandan Wildlife Authority.

00:57:24.000 We're good to go.

00:57:47.000 So we're walking around, and they did that six years before we get there.

00:57:51.000 And the chief told us that there's now 35 families, only 151 people, and that they're scared that if it goes another six years, that they're all going to be gone, that their people group won't exist anymore.

00:58:07.000 And so that was Chief or King Zito that told us that.

00:58:12.000 And so we're walking around, and Chris...

00:58:17.000 Chris kind of gets tripped up a little bit on this mound.

00:58:20.000 She looks down and she looks down and sees all these mounds around her. 1.00

00:58:23.000 And she said, what are these mounds? 0.99

00:58:25.000 And the chief said, that's so-and-so.

00:58:28.000 And this is so-and-so.

00:58:29.000 And like says a name and says a name.

00:58:31.000 It's like, we live on top of our graveyard.

00:58:34.000 We don't have anywhere to bury our dead.

00:58:36.000 Jesus Christ.

00:58:37.000 And so over 300 people on one acre of land.

00:58:40.000 Now there's only 151 people.

00:58:42.000 The rest of them are buried in the ground right there because the slums throw out their sewage and it goes right through their land.

00:58:47.000 Oh my God.

00:58:48.000 So we've got them back five acres of land right now, but they're practicing how to farm on that.

00:58:53.000 And then we're about to get 30 more acres of land.

00:58:56.000 And then they'll be able to live on the five acres and have these little plots of land for households for $1,000, $2,000 each.

00:59:03.000 We can build them a home.

00:59:05.000 And then they can start farming that 30 acres and we'll want to expand that to 50 or 100 to where they can have sustenance farming to feed themselves.

00:59:13.000 And then they'll be able to feed the community and sell that and then be able to send their kids to...

00:59:19.000 School with school uniforms and buying school fees or paying school fees and stuff like that.

00:59:26.000 Wow.

00:59:26.000 Yeah.

00:59:28.000 This makes you realize how easy we have it.

00:59:30.000 This what?

00:59:30.000 Makes you realize how easy we have it.

00:59:32.000 Oh, man.

00:59:33.000 Absolutely.

00:59:33.000 And so that's why whenever you ask me, like, does this make you not want to go back?

00:59:37.000 I'm like, man, look at the challenges that they have each and every day.

00:59:41.000 Have you caught everything that you can catch over there?

00:59:43.000 Dengue fever, malaria, black wire fever, schistosomiasis.

00:59:50.000 And this is a parasitic disease as well?

00:59:52.000 I think it's in the fluke family or it's a worm.

00:59:58.000 And then hopefully I don't have anything else besides that, but this toxicity stuff, Cipro or Methlequin, that could be messed with me.

01:00:05.000 Have you changed your diet as well?

01:00:06.000 Yeah.

01:00:06.000 Yeah, my wife meal preps for me.

01:00:07.000 What are you eating now?

01:00:08.000 I eat mostly, I eat meat, but I eat mostly vegetables, like more of that, like the small portion is meat.

01:00:15.000 It'll be chicken or fish or something lean.

01:00:20.000 A lot of nuts and a lot of thick leafy green vegetables.

01:00:25.000 And have you found that that's helped you?

01:00:26.000 That's helped me a lot.

01:00:27.000 That's helped me a lot.

01:00:28.000 Are you juicing at all?

01:00:28.000 Yep.

01:00:29.000 I'm doing that.

01:00:30.000 Juicing with the Vitamix.

01:00:33.000 Okay, so you're getting all the fiber in there as well.

01:00:35.000 Yeah, the fiber.

01:00:36.000 So that's been really good.

01:00:37.000 And then I've been keeping myself busy.

01:00:40.000 If I can't go there, we're really starting to expand our mission and vision here stateside to bully prevention because, Joe, it's nuts right now, the second leading cause of death.

01:00:52.000 So Butch is Raiden's grandfather, and he is an old bull rider, and Raiden lives with Butch and Claudia, his grandparents, right now.

01:01:04.000 And they found him in his forearm.

01:01:06.000 He wrote, I want to kill myself in Sharpie.

01:01:08.000 And he's 12. He's 12. Butch said the first time Raiden wanted to kill himself that he knew of was whenever Raiden was 9 years old. 0.94

01:01:18.000 So he's 9 years old and already suicidal.

01:01:21.000 And Butch said that just makes his heart want to fall out of his chest.

01:01:26.000 You know, I'm his grandfather.

01:01:27.000 How does my 12-year-old grandson not have enough to live for?

01:01:31.000 And the leading, second leading cause of death among kids from 10 to 14 is suicide.

01:01:38.000 If you're between the ages of 10 to 14, that's the second reason.

01:01:42.000 And bullying is the cause of most of that.

01:01:44.000 Most of it's from bullying.

01:01:45.000 Because bullying is linked to the increase in depression, addiction, isolation.

01:01:50.000 Do they think that the people who do it, is it because they were bullied at one point in time or abused physically?

01:01:57.000 No.

01:01:57.000 So they do think that and the easy way to remember that is hurt people hurt people right hurt people hurt people whether that's an addict or a bully but here's a statistic from the CDC it's funny the CDC found out that I had dengue fever and then also the CDC did the study on bullying and the number three at risk of suicide is the bully the person that acts out by being a bully number two Surprisingly,

01:02:25.000 it's the victim.

01:02:26.000 They're the second highest risk.

01:02:28.000 So then you think, who's number one?

01:02:30.000 Well, number one is actually the one that does both.

01:02:33.000 They are bullied, and then they act out by being a bully.

01:02:36.000 And so they're getting it on both ends.

01:02:38.000 No positive feelings at all.

01:02:40.000 It's just all a storm of negativity and awfulness.

01:02:43.000 It's this huge storm inside of them.

01:02:44.000 Now, what can you do for bully awareness, right?

01:02:47.000 How can you prevent it, or how can we mitigate it?

01:02:50.000 Yeah.

01:02:51.000 I think it's by promoting a culture of...

01:02:55.000 Cultivating a culture of kindness.

01:02:56.000 And I know that can sound a little wimpy.

01:02:58.000 No, I don't think so at all.

01:03:00.000 Yeah.

01:03:00.000 But if you look at Rafael Lovato Jr., he was bullied because he didn't look like everybody else.

01:03:06.000 So was George St. Pierre.

01:03:07.000 George St. Pierre.

01:03:08.000 So many guys.

01:03:09.000 A lot of fighters are bullied.

01:03:10.000 Most fighters I find were bullied not being the bully.

01:03:14.000 Right.

01:03:14.000 And so I think to cultivate a culture of kindness, there's actually this school in Oklahoma.

01:03:20.000 It's pretty awesome.

01:03:21.000 They're called Edmond Santa Fe.

01:03:23.000 They selected us between 44 applicants.

01:03:27.000 So we were up against like Boys and Girls Club and Make-A-Wish, these phenomenal organizations, Special Olympics.

01:03:34.000 Some really, really great charities and nonprofits out there.

01:03:39.000 Last year, the school selected a foster home and they raised in a week.

01:03:43.000 This high school raised $234,000.

01:03:48.000 A high school in their philanthropy week because they wanted to help these kids get a new main center among the foster homes.

01:03:57.000 So this year they selected us because they want to get our bully prevention program into public and private schools.

01:04:03.000 Now, what is the prevention program?

01:04:04.000 Yeah.

01:04:05.000 So it's mostly character development with bully prevention inside of it.

01:04:09.000 So it's a 12-week program and it's 12 weekly lessons.

01:04:13.000 So we have it online.

01:04:14.000 It's digital.

01:04:15.000 It's on our website, fightfortheforgotten.org.

01:04:17.000 And if you click Heroes in Waiting, you'll find it.

01:04:20.000 That's our curriculum.

01:04:21.000 What's called is Heroes in Waiting.

01:04:23.000 And what that is, is there's a digital curriculum where I teach the teacher or instruct the instructor how to instruct the lesson that week.

01:04:30.000 But then there's a video for the parents and for the students that's the weekly hero challenge.

01:04:36.000 And so they get a weekly lesson or Matt Chat discussion, and then they get a weekly challenge, which the challenge will be something like, recognize when you're being a bystander.

01:04:47.000 Or my favorite is probably go out.

01:04:50.000 Your mission this week, your hero challenge, is to go out and complete a secret random act of kindness.

01:04:56.000 So the rules are you have to be safe.

01:04:58.000 You have to be smart, but you have to be completely anonymous.

01:05:01.000 And you have to go out and make someone feel great.

01:05:03.000 And so journal or report back to us, you know, what did you do?

01:05:08.000 How'd that make them feel?

01:05:09.000 How'd that make you feel?

01:05:10.000 How can you build onto this for next week?

01:05:13.000 And you go out and you complete these missions because I think first you have to educate the kids that they are part of the solution and part of the problem.

01:05:24.000 They just have to pick where they're going to be because in bullying, if you stand by and you watch, if you laugh, giggle, like in that video, there's 12 kids in the bathroom, four or five are filming it.

01:05:36.000 You filming it is encouraging it.

01:05:39.000 You standing by and not doing anything, you're actually not an innocent bystander.

01:05:44.000 You're a silent supporter because you're standing there and you're not doing anything.

01:05:47.000 They're actually trying to pass laws about kids in schools filming other kids getting beat up and making them somehow a part of it, an accomplice in some way, shape, or form.

01:05:59.000 Because you are.

01:05:59.000 You're at least an encourager.

01:06:01.000 Yeah.

01:06:02.000 And then if you stand by and watch, you are an accomplice.

01:06:06.000 You're not doing anything.

01:06:06.000 You didn't choose it.

01:06:07.000 It chose you.

01:06:08.000 What happened to those kids in the video that were doing those things to raid?

01:06:12.000 They're minors, so I can't really talk about what's happened, but the school has taken appropriate or at least in their eyes appropriate and swift action.

01:06:20.000 The parents are thankful to the school and the school district for them taking this serious.

01:06:28.000 I know that the family has felt this has been going on since he was nine at least, and now he's 12. So three years, and they say the only reason now something's being done is because it was filmed, because it's on video, and it went viral.

01:06:42.000 Yeah.

01:06:44.000 Yeah.

01:06:53.000 Yeah.

01:07:22.000 That's awesome.

01:07:24.000 Yeah.

01:07:26.000 Is there a way to pull up some of those pictures of Raiden?

01:07:29.000 And this is kind of cool.

01:07:31.000 I'm going to give you this because Raphael really likes this.

01:07:35.000 And it's some Tenth Planet guys.

01:07:37.000 Um, there's Raiden after, uh, after a, uh, uh, actually a press conference, all the news wanted to like post pictures of them, um, or they wanted to get exclusives.

01:07:48.000 And so as parents are being chased all around town, people are literally posting their home address online, doxing them, but doxing the bullies mainly saying here's the 12 year old girl's address and go, go find her.

01:08:00.000 You can go through a couple more of those pictures.

01:08:03.000 There's some pretty cool ones where...

01:08:05.000 He's eating Chick-fil-A? Yeah, he likes Chick-fil-A a lot.

01:08:08.000 His dad says he's a chicken-eating fool. 0.98

01:08:11.000 But there's at a football game, the Edmond Santa Fe. 0.99

01:08:14.000 They've surrounded him with a lot of love.

01:08:17.000 That's awesome.

01:08:18.000 And then it's been cool.

01:08:18.000 Like, Emily, my wife, has said...

01:08:22.000 Oh, here's...

01:08:23.000 If we can have volume on this, this is pretty cool.

01:08:25.000 Emily, we're making you a video.

01:08:26.000 I am introducing Raiden to what...

01:08:31.000 Hummus.

01:08:31.000 You asked me what hummus is, so we got him some carrots and hummus.

01:08:35.000 The chips are for me, that you packed us.

01:08:38.000 Alright, my man.

01:08:39.000 Try carrots and hummus.

01:08:44.000 They're actually really good.

01:08:46.000 Really good?

01:08:50.000 So what's the book?

01:08:51.000 Yeah.

01:08:52.000 So this right here is the Jiu Jitsu Planner. 0.92

01:08:56.000 And what it does is you have actually a training autopsy.

01:09:01.000 And you take notes, what you're learning, the techniques you're learning.

01:09:07.000 And this is out of 10th Planet, or at least the guys that created this.

01:09:11.000 Ben is a 10th Planet Austin guy, a guy named Zach Moore that's there too.

01:09:16.000 Yeah.

01:09:17.000 So is this available online if somebody wants to buy one of these things?

01:09:19.000 It's available online on Instagram.

01:09:21.000 It's jiu-jitsuplanner.

01:09:23.000 I think it's jiu-jitsuplanner.com or jiu-jitsuplanner.org.

01:09:28.000 And they give 10% to Fight for the Forgotten now, which is pretty cool.

01:09:33.000 Look at that!

01:09:34.000 Yeah, 10% of the proceeds go to us, but try to optimize your game.

01:09:38.000 It's got a training schedule, shows you when you're training, so you get to mark down.

01:09:41.000 So you're essentially held accountable for your lessons.

01:09:45.000 What is this?

01:09:46.000 Is this an injury report?

01:09:48.000 Pay attention to your body.

01:09:49.000 Interesting.

01:09:50.000 You have supplements you can put down there.

01:09:52.000 Like showing you what's hurt, what's going on.

01:09:56.000 And then you have a competition tracker, so you can record your opponents, how it went, and you can also, at a tournament, start scouting out your competition.

01:10:07.000 And then they're going to have it to where they make new additions and things like that.

01:10:12.000 And so as it grows and as it scales, every planner they have from now on, 10% is going to go to Fight for the Forgotten.

01:10:18.000 This is very interesting, man.

01:10:20.000 Training autopsy.

01:10:21.000 Yeah.

01:10:22.000 I like it.

01:10:23.000 I thought you'd dig it.

01:10:24.000 Session notes, what was drilled, strengths, weaknesses, role notes, and then for next class.

01:10:31.000 I like this.

01:10:32.000 Listen, man, writing things down, anything you can do where you're focusing on something and trying to improve, if you can write it down, it's better.

01:10:39.000 Was this inspired by the kind of book that you have?

01:10:42.000 Would you exactly see what that book was called again?

01:10:44.000 This one's called Clear.

01:10:45.000 It's just a habit tracker.

01:10:46.000 And then you have like a journal in it too.

01:10:49.000 And I really like that.

01:10:51.000 And I like how I also have another one called the Full Focus Planner.

01:10:54.000 And that way you can plan out your day, your week, and you break it down.

01:10:58.000 And I can track my food, my training, all my important meetings.

01:11:04.000 And for me, writing it down physically is better than having it digitally.

01:11:08.000 Yeah.

01:11:10.000 We're good to go.

01:11:29.000 So that's why I have those two.

01:11:30.000 I actually have three.

01:11:31.000 I have another one called the 5-Minute Planner.

01:11:33.000 I take three journals around with me.

01:11:35.000 Really?

01:11:35.000 I do.

01:11:36.000 The Habit Tracker, the Full Focus Planner for my daily and weekly schedule.

01:11:41.000 The Habit Tracker that I can also just take other notes.

01:11:44.000 And then the 5-Minute Planner or 5-Minute Journal.

01:11:47.000 You start off with what would make today great three things.

01:11:55.000 And then three things, actually start with three things you're grateful for.

01:11:58.000 So you write that down.

01:11:59.000 Then three things that would make today amazing.

01:12:01.000 Then a daily affirmation.

01:12:02.000 And then at the end of the day, what three great things did happen today?

01:12:06.000 And then the very last one is how could you make today better?

01:12:09.000 And so kind of this reflection of, I could have done this better today.

01:12:13.000 So that way you're kind of keeping yourself accountable on that.

01:12:16.000 And I also have something else for you, my man.

01:12:18.000 Yeah.

01:12:20.000 I can't come bearing gifts.

01:12:22.000 Look at this thing. 0.99

01:12:23.000 What the fuck is that, dude? 0.99

01:12:25.000 This is called a bushwhacker, I think. 1.00

01:12:29.000 Is this something they use in the Congo?

01:12:32.000 No.

01:12:32.000 No?

01:12:33.000 We'll get there. 1.00

01:12:34.000 What in the fuck? 1.00

01:12:35.000 Bro. 1.00

01:12:36.000 So that is like a machete.

01:12:39.000 Be careful because that thing is really sharp.

01:12:41.000 The weight behind it.

01:12:42.000 I don't want you to cut yourself.

01:12:44.000 Okay. 0.99

01:12:45.000 Yeah, it's like a giant wood handle, like you could double fist this sucker. 0.99

01:12:49.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:12:50.000 Mike Jones' knife and tool, you actually have one of his knives.

01:12:53.000 Yeah, I do.

01:12:55.000 And he made this because he is now giving 5% of all of his knife sales to Fight for the Forgotten.

01:13:02.000 And he was turned on to us through the show.

01:13:05.000 This one's another one that he made.

01:13:06.000 Oh.

01:13:07.000 My friend Mike Hawkridge gave me one of these.

01:13:08.000 Yeah, that's what he said.

01:13:10.000 Oh, wow.

01:13:11.000 It's got a built-in little sharpener?

01:13:13.000 Yep.

01:13:13.000 Look at that.

01:13:13.000 Actually, that's a knife or a fire starter.

01:13:16.000 It is?

01:13:17.000 Yeah.

01:13:17.000 Oh.

01:13:17.000 That's a fire stick.

01:13:18.000 And it's a moose antler.

01:13:20.000 How's it supposed to stay there?

01:13:21.000 You use that tie over the top.

01:13:24.000 Oh, it's a bungee.

01:13:25.000 Oh.

01:13:26.000 Okay, and now the knife itself is super sharp.

01:13:30.000 It's Damascus steel.

01:13:31.000 Ooh, it's pretty.

01:13:33.000 And then that's his bow hunter style knife.

01:13:37.000 The wood is Koa wood from Hawaii.

01:13:41.000 So we thought you'd like that.

01:13:42.000 And then he always has his little signature smile.

01:13:45.000 Yeah, I follow him on the Instagram.

01:13:47.000 Yeah, he's a great guy.

01:13:48.000 Yeah, the other knife that Mike had made for me is a bow hunter as well.

01:13:53.000 This is beautiful, man.

01:13:54.000 Thank you.

01:13:54.000 Thanks, Mike, too.

01:13:55.000 That's pretty, man.

01:13:57.000 And there's one more there from Mike Jones himself.

01:14:00.000 So he did a thing called Knife for the Forgotten.

01:14:05.000 And he sold 100% of his knives for Fight for the Forgotten.

01:14:10.000 And so that one's a chef's knife that he thought you'd really like.

01:14:14.000 Oh, that's pretty.

01:14:14.000 The wood and handle is actually black wood from Africa.

01:14:18.000 Wow.

01:14:18.000 So it's probably from Tanzania, but it's a chef's knife.

01:14:22.000 He's got that smiley face in there.

01:14:24.000 But it took him like 15...

01:14:26.000 I knew how much you appreciate craftsman work.

01:14:29.000 So that took him 15 to 18 hours to make that.

01:14:33.000 That's pretty.

01:14:34.000 It's a small handle, too.

01:14:35.000 It's interesting.

01:14:37.000 Wow, that's beautiful.

01:14:39.000 Thanks, man.

01:14:40.000 Yeah, man.

01:14:41.000 I thought you'd like it.

01:14:42.000 I'm not worthy.

01:14:44.000 Well, and then that was just to set up this one.

01:14:47.000 This knife is what it was actually all about, but Mike said, oh, let me throw in a knife or two, because he literally gives 5% of all his knives.

01:14:58.000 Is this one of the ones that was made by the Pygmies? 1.00

01:15:00.000 That was made by King Zito himself.

01:15:03.000 It was some scrap metal.

01:15:05.000 It's not the sharpest knife, and he said it wasn't the best for me to give to you, but I thought it was the most unique.

01:15:10.000 That's his actual kind of signature design that he puts in there.

01:15:15.000 It's so light.

01:15:16.000 It's crazy.

01:15:17.000 What is this wood?

01:15:18.000 So it's a wood that's out of the Simuliki National Forest, and they've been collecting it for generations.

01:15:24.000 I wish people could feel this, how light this is.

01:15:27.000 It's light, right?

01:15:27.000 It feels like styrofoam.

01:15:28.000 It's crazy.

01:15:30.000 So they have these different kind of like almost cork-feeling knives or handles.

01:15:35.000 Please tell them I said thank you.

01:15:37.000 I will.

01:15:37.000 That's from Zito.

01:15:38.000 Very nice of him.

01:15:39.000 N-Z-I-T-O. Wow, that's so pretty. 0.99

01:15:42.000 So yeah.

01:15:43.000 That's cool, man.

01:15:43.000 I was able to get you one of those.

01:15:46.000 And then Dustin Poirier one as well.

01:15:48.000 That's dope. 0.93

01:15:49.000 Beautiful.

01:15:50.000 Yeah.

01:15:52.000 So what's the plans now?

01:15:54.000 Like you're going, you're trying to get your health back together.

01:15:57.000 And when are you planning on going back to the Congo again?

01:16:01.000 So I'm definitely going to Uganda sometime soon.

01:16:05.000 Hopefully, well, if I could fight first quarter of next year.

01:16:09.000 How is that possible?

01:16:10.000 I don't know.

01:16:11.000 I'm being optimistic.

01:16:12.000 Please don't rush it.

01:16:13.000 I'm not going to rush it, but it's been over two years.

01:16:15.000 But you need shoulder surgery.

01:16:16.000 That takes six months anyway.

01:16:18.000 So how are you going to do that?

01:16:19.000 That's first quarter.

01:16:20.000 Forever.

01:16:21.000 Because we're almost in November.

01:16:22.000 It's November in two days.

01:16:24.000 It's true.

01:16:24.000 So December, January.

01:16:26.000 Okay, now we're into the first quarter of the next year.

01:16:29.000 They said structurally I could fight with this shoulder.

01:16:31.000 Structurally?

01:16:31.000 I hate that word.

01:16:33.000 Please.

01:16:34.000 No, man.

01:16:35.000 Come on, man.

01:16:36.000 I need to go slow, but I also need to...

01:16:39.000 Yes, please don't fight.

01:16:40.000 Don't fight for a while, please.

01:16:41.000 Fight for a while.

01:16:42.000 Yeah, you've got to get everything in order, man.

01:16:44.000 And that's what I've been telling people.

01:16:46.000 And people are...

01:16:47.000 There's people that are really excited for me to fight, but then also I know I can hold it.

01:16:51.000 Who are these people?

01:16:52.000 You mean fans?

01:16:53.000 Yeah.

01:16:53.000 Hopefully they'll hear this and they love you and they'll be like, Justin, please, not right now.

01:16:59.000 Get yourself 100% back.

01:17:01.000 Right.

01:17:02.000 So I guess what we're doing is actually, there's two really exciting things for now.

01:17:06.000 You said, so what now?

01:17:08.000 We're doing two things back-to-back, or actually simultaneously.

01:17:13.000 For Fight for the Forgotten, we have an end-of-the-year fundraising competition.

01:17:18.000 And so last year we did it and we invited about 100 martial arts academies to raise funds on our behalf.

01:17:26.000 And in eight weeks we raised $135,000.

01:17:30.000 That's amazing.

01:17:30.000 It was incredible.

01:17:31.000 That's amazing.

01:17:32.000 So now we're calling this our second annual fundraising competition.

01:17:36.000 Last year the academy that won the top fundraiser, his name was James Wright out of Martial Arts and More in North Carolina.

01:17:43.000 Their academy had just been hit by a hurricane.

01:17:46.000 And so since it was hit by a hurricane, the mats were ruined and the equipment, all their pads and mitts and bags were all molded.

01:17:55.000 So they had to get rid of everything.

01:17:57.000 Well, they won the fundraising tournament and they got a better than new gym.

01:18:02.000 It was over a $20,000 gym renovation that Century Martial Arts did and also Zebra Athletics.

01:18:09.000 That's cool.

01:18:10.000 So, literally, they got a better than new academy.

01:18:13.000 That's very cool.

01:18:14.000 And it was because they were fundraising on our behalf.

01:18:16.000 This year, we've got a top ten.

01:18:18.000 Instead of the top one fundraiser, gets a prize.

01:18:22.000 Now, the top ten get a martial arts draft pick.

01:18:26.000 So martial arts superstars, world champions, whether it's former, current UFC or Bellator champions, Hall of Famers, martial arts coaches of the year that will fly out to their academy to do a seminar or a training day or a fan experience for fundraising on our behalf. 0.94

01:18:45.000 That's fucking awesome, man.

01:18:47.000 Well, that's so cool of Zebra and so cool of Century. 0.98

01:18:50.000 Century's been around forever, man.

01:18:52.000 Yeah.

01:18:52.000 They made the kicking jeans.

01:18:54.000 Yes, I used to have those.

01:18:55.000 They lace up in the front like a pair of sneakers.

01:18:56.000 They still make those.

01:18:57.000 Do they?

01:18:58.000 I used to wear the Taekwondo version of that for tournaments.

01:19:03.000 I used to wear the ones that laced up in the front.

01:19:05.000 I like those.

01:19:06.000 Because they made like kickboxing pants.

01:19:09.000 Remember when they used to have...

01:19:11.000 Kickboxing used to be above the waist, like PK, karate style.

01:19:14.000 Sentry used to make those pads for karate tournaments.

01:19:19.000 I still think they have the best bag.

01:19:21.000 They have the sweet spot in the Muay Thai bag.

01:19:24.000 I bought four different kinds of Muay Thai bags for this gym here, and the Sentry one that I have at home is the best one.

01:19:32.000 I have a 150-pound big Muay Thai bag.

01:19:35.000 It's the best one.

01:19:35.000 It's the sweet spot.

01:19:36.000 Between not too soft, not too hard, just...

01:19:39.000 Just perfect.

01:19:40.000 Well, they're the only ones that actually make those here.

01:19:42.000 There it is.

01:19:43.000 Bill Superfoot Wallace.

01:19:44.000 Look at that.

01:19:44.000 I was just with him this summer.

01:19:45.000 Gets his kicks and kicking jeans.

01:19:46.000 How is he doing?

01:19:47.000 He's doing good.

01:19:48.000 He's aged from that.

01:19:50.000 I believe he has.

01:19:51.000 He was the first commentator for the UFC. Really?

01:19:56.000 Yeah.

01:19:57.000 Is that Chuck down at the bottom?

01:19:58.000 There's Chuck.

01:19:59.000 There's Chuck, yeah.

01:20:00.000 I got to meet him this summer, too.

01:20:01.000 I got to meet him a couple times.

01:20:02.000 I still love meeting him. 0.96

01:20:03.000 I still get a fucking boyish thrill out of Just the fact that he knows who I am, I'm like, I can't believe it. 0.99

01:20:10.000 It won't bind your legs. 0.96

01:20:13.000 But Chuck and Bill Superfoot Wallace, those guys were the real innovators back in the early days of kickboxing in America.

01:20:24.000 Those guys, if you go back and watch some of those tournaments that those guys fought in, Chuck Norris was a legitimate world champion.

01:20:31.000 And I never really knew Dallas-Fort Worth had such a big martial arts background.

01:20:36.000 Oh yeah, huge martial arts background.

01:20:38.000 With Chuck there.

01:20:40.000 Do you know Bill Wallace's story? 0.98

01:20:42.000 He had a fucked up knee, and so he couldn't kick with both legs. 0.98

01:20:45.000 He could only kick with one leg. 0.99

01:20:46.000 I didn't know that.

01:20:47.000 Yeah, so he developed this insane left leg kick.

01:20:50.000 Super foot.

01:20:50.000 Yeah, and a hook kick.

01:20:53.000 Like, a hook kick is a kick that's very rare that someone develops that to the point where you can knock people out with it.

01:20:59.000 It's just a weird kick, and you don't really see it very often in MMA. I mean, I think Sean Jordan dropped...

01:21:09.000 Who did he drop?

01:21:10.000 Derek Lewis.

01:21:11.000 That's right.

01:21:11.000 The hook kick.

01:21:12.000 Black Beast.

01:21:12.000 It's crazy because Sean is a tank of a man.

01:21:15.000 And he's a small, heavy, or short.

01:21:17.000 Short.

01:21:18.000 5'10"?

01:21:19.000 5'9"?

01:21:19.000 But he's at least 260. Oh, yeah.

01:21:20.000 He's a big fella.

01:21:22.000 He's in the range of 260. So to see him lift those tree trunk legs.

01:21:25.000 I know, man.

01:21:26.000 Super LSU. Yes.

01:21:27.000 And the guy can do fucking backflips. 1.00

01:21:29.000 He's a crazy athlete. 1.00

01:21:30.000 But to see him throw a hook kick, you're like, what?

01:21:33.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:21:34.000 But it's such a rare technique.

01:21:36.000 Connor throws it.

01:21:37.000 He throws it occasionally.

01:21:38.000 He does. 0.99

01:21:39.000 But Bill Superfoot Wallace, he figured out how to fuck people up with just one leg. 0.99

01:21:44.000 And it was really hard to deal with. 0.99

01:21:46.000 That style of attack that he developed in his early days.

01:21:50.000 I got to see him fight live once.

01:21:52.000 Way, way, way back in the day.

01:21:54.000 Wow.

01:21:54.000 Yeah, here it is.

01:21:55.000 Oh, here it is, yes.

01:21:57.000 That's crazy.

01:21:59.000 Crazy that he hit, he dropped him with a hook kick to the heel. 0.77

01:22:02.000 I think the picture of it is just...

01:22:03.000 Where is Sean these days?

01:22:04.000 He was fighting for the PFL. Was he?

01:22:07.000 But I think, I don't know if he's in this tournament or not.

01:22:10.000 I know he was in the last tournament.

01:22:11.000 Oh, man.

01:22:12.000 So him and Josh, Big Josh fought.

01:22:15.000 I think Josh won.

01:22:16.000 Yeah, good decision.

01:22:18.000 So yeah, I guess for now though, we're doing that tournament.

01:22:22.000 That competition, and last year, the last four or five kind of top gyms or schools competed for it all the way until midnight of New Year's Eve, central time, because that's when the cutoff was, and the winner was going to get their gym renovated.

01:22:38.000 So there was four or five at the end, and we raised like $30,000 on the last day because everyone wanted the gym renovation.

01:22:44.000 So this year, we've got a top three prize pack that's like that.

01:22:48.000 The first one gets like a $25,000 gym renovation from Zebra and Century.

01:22:54.000 They get featured in Black Belt Magazine.

01:22:56.000 They get featured in MA Success.

01:22:59.000 I think Bruce Buffer is going to announce them as the winner.

01:23:02.000 They're going to get a trophy and a medal.

01:23:04.000 They're going to get a championship belt for the champion, and then they get the first-round draft pick of guys like Rashad Evans, Justin Gaethje, Chris Cyborg, Rose Namajunas, Pat Berry, Rafael Lovato Jr., Shanji, Laborio,

01:23:22.000 these people are going to fly out.

01:23:23.000 Frank Mir are going to fly out and do a seminar at their academy.

01:23:27.000 So they pick whoever it is?

01:23:29.000 So whoever is 1 through 10, you want to get number 1 or number 2 because you get the top draft pick.

01:23:34.000 What's the top draft pick?

01:23:35.000 Who's the top one?

01:23:36.000 Well, whoever raises the most is the first.

01:23:39.000 They claim the first draft pick.

01:23:41.000 And then they get to choose between that list of like 20 martial arts superstars.

01:23:45.000 What, is Dustin Poirier coming out to your gym?

01:23:48.000 Or is it Chris Cyborg?

01:23:49.000 Or is it Justin Gaethje?

01:23:51.000 Or is it Rashad Evans?

01:23:52.000 So when you secure the first place, you get the first round draft pick.

01:23:56.000 And then all the way down to 10. And then on the individual side, they're going to get four.

01:24:01.000 There we go.

01:24:03.000 Yeah, it's on our website.

01:24:04.000 So it's fightfortheforgotten.org slash heroes.

01:24:07.000 And we're even missing a few of the people that are on there.

01:24:09.000 Our man, Richie.

01:24:10.000 Boogie.

01:24:10.000 There you go, Richie.

01:24:11.000 Boogie man.

01:24:12.000 Yeah, I thought he would like that jiu-jitsu planner.

01:24:15.000 But he's going to be on it with Ali Malay.

01:24:18.000 We're missing Paige Van Zandt and Austin Vanderford.

01:24:21.000 That's awesome.

01:24:22.000 Oh, even John Hackleman.

01:24:25.000 Oh, really?

01:24:25.000 Just throwing his name in it.

01:24:26.000 He'll go out and train someone and put on a bully-proof seminar.

01:24:30.000 Yeah.

01:24:31.000 He's got a great Instagram page.

01:24:32.000 Yeah, he does.

01:24:33.000 He's got a great podcast, too. 1.00

01:24:34.000 He's such a fucking character, man. 0.99

01:24:36.000 I just drove down the, what do you call it, the PHC? Pacific Coast Highway? 1.00

01:24:41.000 Oh, yeah, PCH. Yeah.

01:24:43.000 And stopped into the pit and saw him in Slow or San Luis Obispo.

01:24:47.000 San Luis Obispo, yeah.

01:24:49.000 That's awesome.

01:24:49.000 That's a cool little town, isn't it?

01:24:51.000 Yeah, it is.

01:24:52.000 Yeah, very nice town.

01:24:53.000 He loves it out there.

01:24:54.000 Yeah, his wife's sweet, and they have a great academy there. 0.95

01:24:57.000 Yeah, he's old-school, hardcore training methods. 1.00

01:25:01.000 He does, like, wheelbarrows filled with shit. 0.99

01:25:04.000 You've got to carry up a hill and stuff. 1.00

01:25:06.000 That kind of stuff.

01:25:07.000 Yeah, I walked into the boot camp area.

01:25:10.000 And it's where his wife runs the women's boot camp. 1.00

01:25:12.000 He's like, no, no, you don't want to be in here.

01:25:13.000 This is the torture room or something like that.

01:25:17.000 This is a dungeon.

01:25:18.000 You don't want to be in here.

01:25:18.000 How about the pit itself?

01:25:19.000 It's an outdoor gym, an outdoor octagon they have set up.

01:25:22.000 Pretty badass.

01:25:23.000 It was wild.

01:25:25.000 He has a podcast studio.

01:25:27.000 Does he?

01:25:27.000 He's doing a podcast?

01:25:29.000 Jesus Christ, everybody's doing a podcast.

01:25:30.000 Who's not?

01:25:31.000 I'm not yet.

01:25:32.000 You're not?

01:25:33.000 No.

01:25:33.000 Weird.

01:25:34.000 Maybe I should.

01:25:35.000 That's what my buddy, Jacob Wells, wants to do, is start a podcast.

01:25:40.000 Why not?

01:25:40.000 Fight for the Forgotten Podcast.

01:25:42.000 It's a great idea.

01:25:43.000 I mean, it's another way to raise awareness.

01:25:44.000 That would be cool.

01:25:45.000 So Jacob is actually buddies with...

01:25:47.000 He's a hilarious guy.

01:25:49.000 I think?

01:26:07.000 And Raden has like $8,000 in medical bills, is going to need counseling.

01:26:13.000 So $3,000 to $5,000 of like a counseling budget.

01:26:17.000 And then they want to do something practical for the family.

01:26:21.000 And I've gone to 20 hyperbaric treatments with Raden now.

01:26:25.000 We've had family dinners at my house, at their house, at our offices.

01:26:30.000 His grandma can cook.

01:26:31.000 She can cook some meatloaf. 0.97

01:26:33.000 And she had me over there.

01:26:35.000 And they live in this mobile home park.

01:26:37.000 Yeah, outside Oklahoma City.

01:26:53.000 And anyways, his dad now has two jobs.

01:26:55.000 He's trying to make ends meet.

01:26:57.000 His mom can't really work because she has to take him to appointments, whether it's counseling or for his hearing aid or for his diabetes or for his autism.

01:27:07.000 She's taking him to all these different appointments.

01:27:14.000 We're good to go.

01:27:31.000 And so Jacob's like, what would really help this family and bless them in a way?

01:27:35.000 Because his dad doesn't want to hand out.

01:27:36.000 He's not asking for extra stuff or he didn't come up with this idea.

01:27:40.000 But Jacob's like, what if we could reunite the family?

01:27:42.000 So get his hyperbaric treatment covered.

01:27:45.000 Get his counseling covered.

01:27:46.000 But then what if we could even raise funds for a...

01:27:49.000 Either a single-wide, three-bedroom, two-bath, or maybe it's a double-wide that just reunites the family that gets Brock and Radin back in the home with his parents.

01:28:00.000 And so Jacob brought that idea up.

01:28:02.000 We shared it with his parents.

01:28:03.000 They started bawling, just saying that that's their greatest need is just to have the boys back in the home with them.

01:28:09.000 And so there's this car dealership in Oklahoma City called Hudeburg, and they're really community-minded.

01:28:14.000 They give to Fight for the Forgotten, and they give to a lot of organizations.

01:28:18.000 And so they have a campaign called Hudeburg Helps.

01:28:21.000 And so Hudeburg Helps is sponsoring this.

01:28:24.000 I think they've already raised like $8,000, $9,000.

01:28:27.000 It's called Stand with Raiden on GoFundMe.

01:28:30.000 So it's GoFundMe, hashtag standwithraden, and I think it's already at $8,000, $9,000, $10,000 of like the $50,000 goal.

01:28:38.000 So that's something that we're focused on now.

01:28:41.000 My wife was like, hey, why are you... 1.00

01:28:42.000 Fight for the Forgotten couldn't send funds to one kid individually.

01:28:47.000 That's showing bias, and we have to have like a...

01:28:50.000 And a pool of people to choose from, applicants, and it has to be unbiased for us to fund something.

01:28:57.000 So I can rally around him.

01:28:58.000 I can be his friend, but we can't pay for his medical treatment or pay for his counseling.

01:29:03.000 But GoFundMe can.

01:29:05.000 And so Jacob started this.

01:29:06.000 It was his idea, and he just wanted to rally around Raiden.

01:29:09.000 And my wife asked me, why are you doing all this, even though the funds can't be raised for Fight for the Forgotten?

01:29:15.000 It's like, well, you know, I don't know.

01:29:17.000 I just, I really connect with Raiden.

01:29:19.000 And she goes, I know why you're doing this.

01:29:21.000 You're just trying to be the guy that you needed whenever you were his age.

01:29:26.000 And that really...

01:29:29.000 I don't know.

01:29:29.000 That one kind of hit home because when I was 12 or 13 years old and was suicidal, being bullied, it would have been cool to have someone rally around me.

01:29:40.000 A few years later, I had coaches that rallied around me that made me believe in myself.

01:29:45.000 But it's been awesome, man, seeing Raphael come alongside Raiden and his family, scholarship him, the Steelers, the Pittsburgh Steelers, the LA Chargers.

01:29:58.000 That Baker Mayfield, all these people posting videos and support for him.

01:30:03.000 Mick Foley is their favorite wrestler.

01:30:05.000 WWE, Mankind.

01:30:09.000 Anyways, he made a video for Raiden and his mom and dad literally cried because that was their favorite wrestler and he knows exactly what they're going through because his son, Mick Foley's son, has autism.

01:30:22.000 And so to see that support go out to Raiden, like that just blew them away.

01:30:27.000 That's very cool of you, man.

01:30:29.000 I don't know what is in store for you in the next life, but I sense some sort of sainthood.

01:30:35.000 I don't know about that.

01:30:37.000 Your whole life is dedicated to helping people.

01:30:40.000 It's very humbling, man.

01:30:41.000 It really is.

01:30:42.000 I mean, everything you do is helping other people.

01:30:45.000 Your goals and your desires, even for you fighting, with people maybe they don't know, some people don't know, you got back into fighting so that you could raise awareness for Fight for the Forgotten.

01:30:56.000 And, you know, became a world-class heavyweight.

01:30:59.000 You really became a better version of yourself than you were when you were fighting in the UFC. Yeah.

01:31:03.000 You know?

01:31:04.000 And then, I think also through Rafael Lovato, training with him, your jiu-jitsu skills came up big time.

01:31:09.000 Yeah, big time.

01:31:10.000 Yeah.

01:31:10.000 And I think this is what I've learned through Rafael.

01:31:13.000 And through a guy out here named Ed Milet that's become a friend, these guys say it's usually, it's either Raphael or Ed that says it's usually the person with the most reasons that usually wins.

01:31:24.000 Unless you're fighting Anderson Silva in his prime.

01:31:29.000 That's true.

01:31:30.000 You must have had a lot of reasons.

01:31:32.000 It'd be so good.

01:31:32.000 There's certain people, man.

01:31:34.000 It doesn't matter what you believe, they're going to fuck you up. 0.99

01:31:36.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:31:37.000 But knowing your why, and for me, it was, for you, it's like how to be, I love that quote you have in our programs called Heroes in Waiting, right?

01:31:49.000 Well, you say, be the hero of your own movie.

01:31:52.000 Yeah.

01:32:11.000 They don't need Instagram likes.

01:32:12.000 They don't need the exposure.

01:32:15.000 They do it because it's the right thing to do.

01:32:18.000 And so how can we just see a need and take action, make a difference, be the change we want to see in the world?

01:32:24.000 Where do you see yourself in like 10, 15 years?

01:32:28.000 Do you see yourself pursuing this exact same thing, past the point where you're fighting anymore?

01:32:34.000 Do you see yourself just continuing to fight for the forgotten?

01:32:37.000 Do you think that's probably going to be your future?

01:32:40.000 Fight for the Forgotten is, well, so we became an official 501c3 charity last August.

01:32:49.000 So it was more of a passion project before that.

01:32:51.000 Now we're official 501c3 as of August.

01:32:55.000 We've had, since that time, more than 3,000 donors from all 50 states.

01:33:00.000 It's very cool what Square and the Cash App is doing as well.

01:33:05.000 Yeah, without a doubt.

01:33:06.000 That's amazing.

01:33:07.000 58 different countries have donated.

01:33:09.000 Wow.

01:33:10.000 58 different countries, Joe.

01:33:11.000 I mean, that's all your raising awareness.

01:33:15.000 That and you sharing the platform with me so that I can get the word out there.

01:33:20.000 I mean, I want Fight for the Forgotten to outlive me.

01:33:22.000 This isn't just a passion project of Justin Wren.

01:33:26.000 I want it to be...

01:33:27.000 How many people are involved in it now?

01:33:30.000 On the organizational side, we have five voting board members.

01:33:35.000 We have seven, and we might take that up to nine.

01:33:38.000 We should tell people that we're going to be doing a charity event in Los Angeles.

01:33:42.000 We're just trying to get a venue.

01:33:44.000 We're trying to move it now to the first quarter of 2020, but we're going to do a charity show at one of the big theaters in LA. Yeah, that's going to be incredible.

01:33:53.000 That's going to be so fun.

01:33:55.000 We get together with all my funny friends.

01:33:56.000 We'll have some fun.

01:33:57.000 I know a lot of people that want to go.

01:33:58.000 I just got to record with Mike Tyson yesterday, and he told me to tell you what's up.

01:34:04.000 I'm going to do a show soon.

01:34:05.000 Do it!

01:34:06.000 I'm so scared.

01:34:07.000 I couldn't do it during this month, because this is sober October.

01:34:11.000 Oh yeah, don't do it during this month.

01:34:13.000 Isn't that funny that Mike Tyson has become this crazy weed activist?

01:34:16.000 Yeah, and his resort that he was telling me about, he said it's like Disneyland with weed. 0.99

01:34:22.000 Well, they're doing concerts there and shit. 0.94

01:34:24.000 You can stay there. 0.97

01:34:25.000 Yeah.

01:34:25.000 Well, so what he's going to do, and hopefully this isn't...

01:34:28.000 I'm not committing him to it, but they kind of said, we're going to do this for this fundraising tournament that we're doing right now, the competition.

01:34:36.000 They're going to give away, and we'll have to update people later.

01:34:40.000 But for $15,000, $25,000, someone donating, they're going to get an exclusive VIP experience at Tyson Ranch, the resort.

01:34:49.000 Oh, you get to hang with Mike Tyson?

01:34:50.000 You get to hang with Mike Tyson, and you get to take a picture and tour the studio and hotbox in.

01:34:56.000 I think you get to sit in on an episode or something.

01:34:59.000 Yeah.

01:35:00.000 Wow.

01:35:00.000 Something like that.

01:35:01.000 And it's going to be a higher ticket item, so that way they're like, it's not just some crazy person.

01:35:05.000 That's very cool.

01:35:06.000 But they're doing that.

01:35:07.000 I was thinking there might be a way, we can talk about this more afterwards, but we'd maybe give a fan experience to someone at the comedy show.

01:35:16.000 We could give like a VIP front row tickets or something like that.

01:35:20.000 If someone donates to help kickstart our fundraising competition, because what we're doing right now, last year raised $137,000.

01:35:28.000 This year we're shooting for $200,000 to $250,000.

01:35:31.000 And then we want it every year to become kind of the premier fundraising event of the martial arts world, the combat sports world, where everyone knows about this charity event.

01:35:44.000 And you can win once in a lifetime experiences with martial arts superstars or personalities or things like that to where we could build it into a sustainable.

01:35:53.000 This is going to bring in seven figures a year, a million dollars a year.

01:35:58.000 And then that way we know our budget, how many wells we can drill, how much land we can get, how many farms we can start.

01:36:04.000 How many kids here we can help with the martial arts curriculum?

01:36:08.000 It takes us close to $500 to get into the martial arts academies with the bully prevention curriculum.

01:36:14.000 Now, as this expands, as Fight for the Forgotten expands and you do more and more work in the Congo, do you anticipate moving to other parts of the world?

01:36:22.000 Yeah.

01:36:22.000 So we're already in Uganda, right?

01:36:24.000 We started that last year, but we really kick-started it April with this big kind of celebration on new land, five acres.

01:36:33.000 Yeah.

01:36:34.000 Because of Dustin's donation, we're going to take that up to 30 more acres, so 35 acres in Uganda.

01:36:40.000 We want to get that to 100. We want to get it to even more than that.

01:36:44.000 There's a potential that with Fight for the Forgotten, we could potentially start up a social enterprise or what are those called?

01:36:51.000 B Corps or something like that, where it's a social entrepreneurship gig where we start up maybe a coffee farm, maybe a honey farm.

01:37:03.000 We're good to go.

01:37:22.000 Bajanji.

01:37:23.000 He's actually in the book, a picture with my wife leaning over and she's squatting down and she's still as tall as he is.

01:37:30.000 And she's in a full squat. 1.00

01:37:33.000 So he's a really little guy.

01:37:35.000 But this one time I saw him, his grandkids had just raided a honey hive or a beehive.

01:37:41.000 And they just had honey all over their hands, their arms, their faces.

01:37:45.000 How do they keep from getting stung?

01:37:47.000 No, they get stung.

01:37:48.000 They get stung like crazy.

01:37:49.000 They start a fire at the bottom, and then they throw a vine around it, and then they just walk up it with your feet, and you're holding onto the vines with your hands.

01:37:57.000 And it's crazy.

01:37:58.000 You take an axe up there, and then you just start hacking into the tree with Africanized colonies of bees, which are killer bees. 1.00

01:38:07.000 Which is nuts.

01:38:08.000 So they're stealing honey from killer bees?

01:38:09.000 From killer bees. 0.67

01:38:10.000 They're gangsters. 1.00

01:38:11.000 They're crazy. 1.00

01:38:13.000 They're stealing honey from killer bees. 0.99

01:38:16.000 Oh my god.

01:38:16.000 And everyone else is freaked out by it.

01:38:19.000 How many stings do they get? 1.00

01:38:20.000 Hundreds.

01:38:22.000 Hundreds, but it's worth it to them.

01:38:23.000 So they start that fire underneath and the smoke goes up.

01:38:26.000 So that helps keep them off.

01:38:27.000 Then if two people climb up, the sole person's job on the back is to have these leaves from a twig and they just are hitting the bees off of the guy raiding the hive.

01:38:39.000 Do you remember when everybody was worried that Africanized killer bees were going to come over here and kill us all?

01:38:44.000 Yes.

01:38:44.000 That was like a big fear, like 20 years ago.

01:38:47.000 Oh, the killer bees, they've been spotted in New Mexico.

01:38:49.000 They came up from, but then they breeded right in the Amazon. 0.98

01:38:53.000 With our pussy bees. 1.00

01:38:54.000 Right? 0.97

01:38:54.000 I think they, yeah. 0.97

01:38:56.000 We don't have to worry about those.

01:38:57.000 Our bees just sweetened them up. 0.99

01:38:58.000 But when they went down to the Amazon and came up here, those would be dangerous.

01:39:02.000 Yeah, so these guys, they do this, and do they catch it in a bag or something?

01:39:08.000 Like, how do they...

01:39:09.000 They put it in a basket.

01:39:10.000 A basket.

01:39:10.000 A basket of hand.

01:39:11.000 Oh, here it is.

01:39:12.000 There you go.

01:39:13.000 In India, this is some guys doing pretty much the same exact thing.

01:39:17.000 Those aren't the killer bees.

01:39:22.000 Yeah, those are different bees, but it's the same sort of strategy.

01:39:24.000 Same strategy.

01:39:25.000 Oh my god, look at that.

01:39:26.000 You can reach in and grab bees? 1.00

01:39:28.000 This guy's an asshole. 1.00

01:39:29.000 What are you doing, man? 1.00

01:39:31.000 Have you guys seen that there's a certain type of honey that has some sort of psychedelic effect, and it's a very popular honey?

01:39:40.000 I want to say Nepal?

01:39:43.000 Somewhere.

01:39:44.000 Is it Nepal?

01:39:44.000 Yeah.

01:39:45.000 And these guys, they climb up to get this shit. 0.99

01:39:48.000 It's like on the side of cliffs. 0.99

01:39:50.000 Wow.

01:39:50.000 See, do we have anything on this?

01:39:52.000 And yeah, see, these guys use these ropes to climb up to get... 0.99

01:39:57.000 That rope looks sketchy as fuck. 0.99

01:39:59.000 That looks like some homemade shit right there. 1.00

01:40:01.000 Wow. 1.00

01:40:01.000 And so this honey hunting work is very misky. 1.00

01:40:05.000 Oh man, it's the craziest thing I've seen people do.

01:40:07.000 But these guys, this honey...

01:40:08.000 They go up 100, 200 feet in the air, man.

01:40:10.000 This is a different kind of honey. 0.51

01:40:11.000 For some reason, this honey makes you trip balls.

01:40:14.000 Of course, it's a Vice documentary.

01:40:16.000 The Nepalese honey that makes people hallucinate.

01:40:19.000 So they add something into it.

01:40:21.000 No.

01:40:22.000 No, no, no.

01:40:22.000 No, it has to do with whatever these plants, these guys are getting the pollen from.

01:40:26.000 Oh, the bees are...

01:40:27.000 Wow.

01:40:27.000 So they're making a psychedelic honey.

01:40:30.000 Just naturally?

01:40:31.000 Yes, naturally.

01:40:32.000 Wow.

01:40:33.000 So you can put it in your tea and meet Jesus.

01:40:37.000 That seems dangerous.

01:40:38.000 I don't know.

01:40:39.000 Maybe it's like a mild microdosing type deal.

01:40:42.000 Oh, that's true.

01:40:43.000 I don't know.

01:40:44.000 Yeah, so like that, they just grab it and eat it.

01:40:49.000 Honeycomb's delicious.

01:40:49.000 Elder Hunter.

01:40:50.000 Yeah.

01:40:51.000 So these kids, I think there's a video on my YouTube, Jamie, if you can find it, of these kids climbing these trees.

01:40:58.000 I think it's just Justin Wren Fight for the Forgotten is the YouTube channel.

01:41:02.000 And there's this kid that I put a GoPro on his head.

01:41:06.000 Because he was just climbing trees like crazy, up to the canopy of the rainforest.

01:41:10.000 He's like nine years old, and he climbs 200 feet in the air, and he looks down at us.

01:41:16.000 It's a 12-minute video or something, but we could fast-forward through it.

01:41:18.000 Does he have any kind of safety harness right now?

01:41:20.000 No!

01:41:20.000 He's literally just doing it, shimmying up it.

01:41:23.000 He doesn't even have a vine.

01:41:24.000 He's doing it with his arms and his thighs, and he's just scaling it.

01:41:29.000 Just scaling it.

01:41:30.000 And he looks down on us.

01:41:30.000 I can barely see him in the tree still.

01:41:32.000 Because he's like over 200 feet tall.

01:41:35.000 And what's he getting up there?

01:41:37.000 Well, they practice for two different things.

01:41:39.000 He had his bow and arrow up there so he could shoot a nest and shoot birds out of a nest in the trees.

01:41:46.000 From 200 feet up?

01:41:47.000 200 feet up, but he's shooting to other trees.

01:41:50.000 Oh my God.

01:41:51.000 And then that's how they collect honey. 0.99

01:41:54.000 Look at him.

01:41:54.000 This is a little guy.

01:41:56.000 This is him going from a little tree to getting over to a huge tree next to it.

01:42:01.000 But that's in Bobofy, and I lived there for three months, I think, in this village.

01:42:06.000 And he's seriously just scaling the tree.

01:42:09.000 Yeah, it's a 12-minute video.

01:42:11.000 What?

01:42:12.000 It's wild.

01:42:12.000 If we can't have sound, it's just him breathing.

01:42:15.000 Look how high this little guy is.

01:42:18.000 You can see us.

01:42:19.000 That's him not even close to the bottom.

01:42:20.000 My hands are sweating.

01:42:23.000 And he just keeps going until he gets...

01:42:26.000 And once he gets to the big part of the tree, I should go back.

01:42:31.000 This is insane.

01:42:33.000 Back a little bit more because he starts just zooming down.

01:42:37.000 He gets to the top and looks down at us.

01:42:41.000 And whenever you see us, I think this is where it is maybe.

01:42:47.000 Whenever he looks down, look at that, how high he is.

01:42:50.000 Oh, boy.

01:42:51.000 And that's not even when he was at the very top.

01:42:53.000 And he's just using his hands and feet.

01:42:55.000 Yeah.

01:42:55.000 He literally has no rope, no vine, no safety net.

01:42:58.000 Don't you feel like you should be under him to catch him?

01:43:00.000 Yeah.

01:43:01.000 But could you catch someone from 200 feet up?

01:43:03.000 It would just break your arms.

01:43:05.000 Yeah.

01:43:05.000 That's like, yeah.

01:43:06.000 It would squish me.

01:43:07.000 There's one other video.

01:43:08.000 Oh, yeah, this right here.

01:43:10.000 Look at this sharpshooters of these little mice.

01:43:12.000 They put mice in the middle of the village.

01:43:16.000 And they shoot them with bows and arrows?

01:43:18.000 Yep. 0.96

01:43:19.000 That seems mean.

01:43:20.000 It is kind of mean, but he got real close.

01:43:22.000 Did they eat them?

01:43:23.000 Yeah.

01:43:24.000 Yeah, they eat them.

01:43:25.000 So that's their target practice. 0.99

01:43:26.000 So they shoot these rats. 0.89

01:43:28.000 That's a rat, by the way, and a mouse.

01:43:30.000 Yeah.

01:43:30.000 They shoot these rats, and then they eat them?

01:43:33.000 Yep.

01:43:34.000 And actually, not this one.

01:43:35.000 Have you eaten rats?

01:43:35.000 But I have.

01:43:36.000 What's it like?

01:43:37.000 Not good.

01:43:38.000 It's kind of stringy.

01:43:40.000 I've had python.

01:43:42.000 I've had cobra.

01:43:45.000 You ate cobra?

01:43:46.000 I've had monkey.

01:43:47.000 I think there's a video of me eating monkey on there.

01:43:49.000 That's dark.

01:43:50.000 Is there a video of the kid with the machete?

01:43:53.000 What's it like eating monkey?

01:43:55.000 Does that freak you out?

01:43:56.000 You're eating one of your ancestors?

01:43:57.000 This was right before the Ebola breakout.

01:43:59.000 Oh! 0.60

01:44:00.000 I didn't know about it.

01:44:01.000 And then all of a sudden, Ebola, and they're like, it's from eating monkeys.

01:44:04.000 I'm like, guys.

01:44:04.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:44:05.000 Why didn't you all tell me you could eat Ebola?

01:44:06.000 Well, we always eat monkeys.

01:44:08.000 None of us have ever had Ebola.

01:44:09.000 What kind of method of cooking?

01:44:12.000 Is it like a smoked monkey?

01:44:13.000 Yeah, you just smoke it.

01:44:14.000 Yeah.

01:44:14.000 Wrap it in a banana leaf.

01:44:15.000 Yeah, it's a very stringy, hard, muscular animal.

01:44:20.000 Yeah.

01:44:20.000 My friend Steve Rinella had some.

01:44:23.000 Yeah.

01:44:23.000 I think in Guyana, he ate a monkey.

01:44:26.000 Yeah.

01:44:26.000 See this, uh, look at this kid here.

01:44:28.000 He's with a machete.

01:44:29.000 The machete's as long as that kid is tall.

01:44:31.000 What is he doing, chopping down this tree?

01:44:33.000 Yeah, just chopping down the tree for firewood.

01:44:36.000 That kid looks like he's five years old.

01:44:39.000 He's younger than that, I think.

01:44:40.000 How old?

01:44:43.000 Well, he might be five.

01:44:44.000 Maybe.

01:44:44.000 You might be right.

01:44:45.000 Four or five, and they're letting him use a machete to chop down a fucking tree. 0.99

01:44:51.000 Dude, they climbed the trees with that. 0.99

01:44:53.000 The kid you saw climb that tree, he was doing that with bows and arrows.

01:44:57.000 Oh my god.

01:44:58.000 With bows and arrows, he climbed that tree.

01:45:00.000 They're so hard.

01:45:01.000 And look at that kid that's just hanging out by him.

01:45:03.000 To us?

01:45:04.000 The kid is right next to him.

01:45:06.000 How many of these guys that live in these villages are injured?

01:45:11.000 I mean, they get injured from time to time, but they're super smart with the blades.

01:45:15.000 I mean, they grow up with them.

01:45:16.000 I don't even mean from getting cut.

01:45:18.000 I mean, just injured.

01:45:19.000 There's no medical...

01:45:20.000 I mean, they roll their ankles through the forest when they're climbing stuff.

01:45:24.000 Ripped knee ligaments.

01:45:25.000 Yeah.

01:45:26.000 What do they wind up doing?

01:45:27.000 They just heal up by giving it rest.

01:45:31.000 What's kind of cool about the forest life or the village life is they literally – they're up early right when the sun's coming up.

01:45:38.000 They're up.

01:45:39.000 They're down when the sun goes down.

01:45:41.000 And so they're – In tune with nature in that way.

01:45:45.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:45:46.000 The circadian rhythm is what I was looking for.

01:45:47.000 Yeah.

01:45:48.000 And then midday, during the heat of the day, right, 3 to 5 p.m., they're normally just chilling, napping, or in their hut to where they're out of the sun.

01:45:57.000 And so they're up working before that, they rest, and if they need to go back out before the sun's down, they go back out a second time, hunting, gathering, come back in, prepare it.

01:46:07.000 What's their primary, like, what are they trying to hunt?

01:46:12.000 So, forest antelope, forest hog or wild hog out there.

01:46:18.000 Lots of different kinds of birds, parrots, different things like that.

01:46:22.000 And they're using bows and arrows?

01:46:23.000 Mm-hmm.

01:46:24.000 Homemade bows and arrows, right?

01:46:26.000 Homemade, yeah, definitely.

01:46:27.000 And the dangerous ones, I'm going to have to bring you a bow and arrow.

01:46:30.000 I haven't done that.

01:46:31.000 I have one that I really love.

01:46:35.000 I'll see if I can get you one.

01:46:37.000 But they...

01:46:39.000 We'll give you two arrows.

01:46:42.000 One has a metal blade and one's just a sharpened tip.

01:46:45.000 And they ask you, which one would you use on an antelope?

01:46:48.000 And you choose which one you choose.

01:46:51.000 And then you ask, which one would you use on a bird?

01:46:53.000 And then you choose, which one would you think?

01:46:55.000 Between a blade and the sharpened wood, which one would you use on the antelope?

01:46:59.000 You'd use a blade.

01:47:00.000 Okay.

01:47:01.000 And then on a bird, which one would you use?

01:47:02.000 Sharpened stick.

01:47:03.000 Yeah.

01:47:03.000 That's what makes sense to our mind, right?

01:47:05.000 Yeah.

01:47:05.000 It's actually the opposite.

01:47:06.000 How come?

01:47:07.000 They use the metal on the bird because that's going to kill the bird.

01:47:10.000 Right.

01:47:10.000 They use the wooden tip because they dip that in poison.

01:47:14.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:47:15.000 And so that's what they take the bigger animals out with.

01:47:17.000 I see.

01:47:18.000 So they just have to hit it.

01:47:19.000 Oh, yeah.

01:47:20.000 They just have to nick it.

01:47:20.000 Anywhere in its body and it gets in there.

01:47:22.000 Now, does that poison infect them when they eat it?

01:47:25.000 No, it cooks out.

01:47:26.000 It's out of this, there's these two things.

01:47:28.000 It's these berries and these, not roots, but it's like a root fruit, like a potato.

01:47:37.000 It's this poisonous black potato that they mash up.

01:47:42.000 And if you mess with that stuff, the potato gets smashed or something in that oil or that whatever.

01:47:50.000 Cassaba.

01:47:51.000 Not cassava.

01:47:51.000 Because cassava is the same thing.

01:47:53.000 Cassava is a root.

01:47:53.000 But it also gets strychnine.

01:47:57.000 Oh, I know that.

01:47:58.000 You have to boil it forever. 1.00

01:48:00.000 They have to do all this shit to cassava. 0.99

01:48:03.000 Cassava is white inside. 1.00

01:48:05.000 Yes.

01:48:06.000 And this is a black potato.

01:48:09.000 I know they use the strychnine from cassava to poison things as well.

01:48:13.000 Oh, wow.

01:48:14.000 And they have like a bucket.

01:48:15.000 In Rinella's show, Steve Rinella's show, The Meat Eater, which is on...

01:48:21.000 It is on Netflix.

01:48:22.000 No, The Meat Eater is his website.

01:48:25.000 Meat Eater is the Netflix show.

01:48:26.000 But he went to Guyana, and he's done a couple trips to, I think, Bolivia as well.

01:48:34.000 And when he goes to the jungle, they have this incredibly intricate process for cooking and making this cassava edible. 0.94

01:48:45.000 And these buckets that they have of this sort of processed stuff as they're doing it is fucking hugely toxic. 0.83

01:48:52.000 And it's just laying around. 0.96

01:48:53.000 And like kids are playing near it.

01:48:55.000 The kids have to be so careful.

01:48:57.000 The parents have to be so careful with the poison.

01:49:00.000 Because once they dip those tips of those arrows, they don't come back with them.

01:49:05.000 They dispose of them out in the forest.

01:49:07.000 It's just too dangerous.

01:49:08.000 Too dangerous to have around the kids, the toddlers that are walking around.

01:49:11.000 Because toddlers are walking around with bows and arrows already.

01:49:14.000 They have a bow and arrow before they're able to walk.

01:49:17.000 Wow!

01:49:17.000 So they're just the sharpened wooden tips without the poison dipped in it.

01:49:22.000 And so it's awesome, man.

01:49:24.000 Their way of life is so incredible.

01:49:25.000 And so that's why we're trying to help the pygmies of Uganda right now. 1.00

01:49:29.000 So our trip, even Brady, who you know, Brady was messed up.

01:49:34.000 So all of us were.

01:49:36.000 Sick over there, are you saying?

01:49:38.000 What do you mean by messed up? 0.95

01:49:40.000 Culture shock.

01:49:41.000 Oh, okay.

01:49:42.000 And not just culture shock, but...

01:49:46.000 What is it whenever you...

01:49:49.000 It's not just PTSD, like just jolted with devastation of like...

01:49:55.000 In shock.

01:49:56.000 In shock.

01:49:57.000 Yeah.

01:49:57.000 In fact, we could play that one video and it's a documentary trailer that Cash App helped fund and Friends of Joe Rogan.

01:50:05.000 And this trailer video is just from our last trip to Uganda.

01:50:10.000 It's got sound, but I'll speak over it.

01:50:13.000 But it kind of sums it all up.

01:50:14.000 Yeah.

01:50:16.000 This little boy named Paulo, you'll see in his eyes what I mean.

01:50:20.000 When you see this boy's eyes, you'll know just some of the devastation that he's gone through and seen.

01:50:27.000 The eyes are the windows to our soul.

01:50:30.000 You can see the heartbreak in this kid.

01:50:33.000 But I think it's called the Batwa trailer video.

01:50:37.000 Or something like that, Jamie.

01:50:38.000 But it's got an opening where it's just like, thanks to Cash App, but then it shows their struggle.

01:50:45.000 How long is this video?

01:50:46.000 It's about a minute and a half.

01:50:48.000 Okay, we'll play this, then we've got to wrap this thing up.

01:50:51.000 Okay.

01:50:51.000 I've got one more thing to give you.

01:50:57.000 So that is in the Simuliki National Forest.

01:50:59.000 That's King Zito in the red.

01:51:01.000 But they were driven from their ancestral home, and they're struggling to survive.

01:51:06.000 And this is on that one acre of land that they live on.

01:51:09.000 That's the mushrooms.

01:51:12.000 But they live in eight structures on this one acre of land.

01:51:15.000 Forced to live in this unknown village and literally don't have any food or clean water, that's where they live in those shelters.

01:51:22.000 That's what they've been given when they were kicked out of the forest.

01:51:26.000 But there's no way.

01:51:27.000 That's the sewage running through their village.

01:51:29.000 And just being abused.

01:51:31.000 Yeah, beyond imagination.

01:51:34.000 Because they think they're a cure for HIV. That woman was raped because these men thought they would be cured.

01:51:40.000 That's little Paulo there. 0.97

01:51:42.000 You can see in his eyes. 0.99

01:51:43.000 Men thought they'd be cured by having sex with her? 0.99

01:51:45.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:51:46.000 Or by collecting their blood.

01:51:47.000 And so Paulo was held down and...

01:51:51.000 That's the new land, five acres of land that we were able to get them.

01:51:54.000 So this is a celebration, just kind of transitioning into dancing with the drums and the leaves.

01:52:01.000 But now they have hope that they're going to survive.

01:52:04.000 And here's at the school where they're getting new water and they're in class for the first time.

01:52:09.000 They were told that they couldn't go to school, that they couldn't learn.

01:52:15.000 And now, actually, the top five students at the school over the last six years are all Batwa, pygmy children. 1.00

01:52:21.000 That's the new well that they're drinking from, one of them.

01:52:24.000 So it's just celebration.

01:52:25.000 They're learning some MMA. And we're there to help come alongside them and say, hey, how can we, with our vision, to defeat hate with love, our mission to knock out bullying worldwide, how can we do this in a practical,

01:52:42.000 sustainable way?

01:52:44.000 And so, yeah, Joe, like that little boy, Paulo, that you saw, has scars on him from people holding him down and slicing him open, collecting his blood because they think he's the cure for HIV or the women there being sexually assaulted.

01:52:57.000 Some terrible stuff.

01:52:58.000 But what we want to do to kind of sum up this documentary when we get there is...

01:53:06.000 Is have new land for them, them back in school, them farming for themselves, them selling it at the markets, and then also stateside here.

01:53:16.000 So kind of the two things to wrap up, the two or three ways that people could support.

01:53:20.000 If you're a martial arts academy, jiu-jitsu school, you do MMA, taekwondo, wrestling, boxing, any of that, you can join our end-of-the-year fundraising competition.

01:53:31.000 And the top 10 are going to win incredible prizes, gym renovations.

01:53:36.000 There's also a raffle prize where every $500 you raise, you get the opportunity to have your gym transformed.

01:53:43.000 And this is all on fightfortheforgotten.com?

01:53:46.000 Yeah, fightfortheforgotten.org.

01:53:48.000 Yeah,.com will take you there too.

01:53:49.000 Okay.

01:53:50.000 Fightforforgotten.org.

01:53:51.000 Go to Heroes.

01:53:52.000 Okay.

01:53:53.000 If you're an individual and you want to support that way, we just started our Fight Club.

01:53:57.000 And so our Fight for the Forgotten Fight Club, first rule is you do speak about Fight Club instead of you don't.

01:54:05.000 Yeah, it's our monthly giving club.

01:54:07.000 People can give $5, so the price of a latte, and that would make us a sustainable nonprofit where we know what our budget is every single month, how many wells we can drill, how much land we can get, how many people here stateside we can help.

01:54:22.000 Fightfortheforgotten.org.

01:54:23.000 The Fight Club is on fightfortheforgotten.org.

01:54:26.000 That's our monthly giving club.

01:54:27.000 And then if you want to support Raiden, there's that GoFundMe, and you just look up the hashtag StandWithRaiden, and you can give to him personally.

01:54:36.000 Spell Raiden?

01:54:37.000 R-A-Y-D-E-N. So it's StandWithRaiden, and you can go check out my Instagram, TheBigPigme, or Twitter, TheBigPigme, and that will point you into the direction of StandWithRaiden. 0.99

01:54:50.000 And then as we come to a close with Sober October, I got one thing for you.

01:54:53.000 Uh-oh.

01:54:53.000 It's just one thing.

01:54:56.000 What?

01:54:58.000 It's a little big though.

01:54:59.000 Whoa.

01:54:59.000 We're going to have to go over your...

01:55:01.000 What is that?

01:55:06.000 This is from another friend.

01:55:08.000 Jesus Christ, you got a lot of friends, bro.

01:55:11.000 That's what happens when you're a nice guy.

01:55:13.000 Oh, whiskey.

01:55:14.000 How dare you?

01:55:16.000 So I know Silver October is coming to an end.

01:55:18.000 Whoa, these are serious glasses, man.

01:55:19.000 What is that made out of?

01:55:20.000 I don't know.

01:55:21.000 You tell me.

01:55:22.000 Liberal tears.

01:55:25.000 Oh, it's made at the bottom.

01:55:26.000 Sit that right next to it.

01:55:28.000 It's made at the bottom of a Johnny Walker bottle.

01:55:31.000 Johnny Walker blue bottle.

01:55:32.000 Wow.

01:55:33.000 That's very cool.

01:55:34.000 So that's the blue, which is like 18 or 20 years.

01:55:36.000 That's a smart way of recycling.

01:55:39.000 The bottom of these containers, too.

01:55:41.000 That's actually, here, check this out real quick.

01:55:43.000 Okay.

01:55:44.000 Oh, yeah, you can have some of that.

01:55:45.000 No, I can't.

01:55:46.000 Not Sober October.

01:55:47.000 I can't.

01:55:47.000 Oh, it's Fight for the Forgotten Coasters.

01:55:49.000 Very cool.

01:55:50.000 And so this right here, just B-cycled bottles.

01:55:53.000 Okay.

01:55:53.000 This guy literally recycles these.

01:55:55.000 He's a fundraiser full-time for non-profits.

01:55:58.000 So he makes glasses out of the bottles.

01:56:01.000 Yep.

01:56:01.000 That's very cool.

01:56:02.000 Out of Tito's, all that, he gives 75% back to Fight for the Forgotten.

01:56:06.000 Dude, your kindness and your generosity has inspired a shitload of people, man.

01:56:12.000 It's a beautiful thing.

01:56:13.000 It really is.

01:56:15.000 I can't thank you enough.

01:56:16.000 Please, man.

01:56:17.000 I can't thank you enough. 0.97

01:56:18.000 I always feel like a piece of shit when you come here. 0.98

01:56:21.000 I always compare myself, like, God, this guy's going to get malaria and fucking worms, and he's always traveling over there helping people, and your focus is always about helping people that are in need. 0.99

01:56:33.000 It's very humbling, man. 0.94

01:56:35.000 It really is.

01:56:36.000 It's very admirable.

01:56:37.000 Well, thank you.

01:56:37.000 I appreciate that.

01:56:38.000 And you always have a home here, man.

01:56:39.000 Anytime you want to come on and talk about something.

01:56:41.000 Thank you so much, Joe.

01:56:42.000 I appreciate you.

01:56:42.000 Thank you, brother.

01:56:43.000 Appreciate it.

01:56:44.000 We'll talk to you soon.

01:56:44.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:56:45.000 Bye, everybody.

01:56:45.000 I'm excited for the comedy show.

01:56:47.000 Hell yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 31, 2019

Joe Rogan Experience #1374 - Justin Wren

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