The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1465 - Tim Pool

00:00:00.000 Three, two, one. 0.99

00:00:02.000 Tim Pool, you madman. 0.96

00:00:03.000 How's it going? 0.98

00:00:04.000 Dude, the ride that you made to get here.

00:00:07.000 You drove from the other side of the continent in a bug-out van.

00:00:11.000 Well, I mean, you've had guests on who've driven here.

00:00:13.000 You know what I mean?

00:00:13.000 I drove here.

00:00:14.000 You drove here, but it took four days.

00:00:16.000 It took four days.

00:00:17.000 It's a different kind of drive.

00:00:18.000 Have you ever done that before?

00:00:19.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:00:20.000 Not in the van, but I've driven around the country too many times.

00:00:24.000 The van's pretty dope.

00:00:26.000 I'm impressed.

00:00:27.000 I told you last year, I was getting the van, and I got a bunch of people on Twitter making fun of me, like, oh, he's going to get a bug out van.

00:00:33.000 He's crazy.

00:00:34.000 I got a van. 0.89

00:00:35.000 You got a bug out van.

00:00:36.000 You could live in that thing.

00:00:37.000 Oh, totally, dude.

00:00:38.000 The solar power on it?

00:00:39.000 Yeah.

00:00:40.000 Lasts you forever.

00:00:41.000 That's pretty amazing.

00:00:42.000 I didn't know that you could power everything.

00:00:44.000 So you have solar power roof panels.

00:00:47.000 Is it less effective in Jersey where it's cloudy right now?

00:00:51.000 Oh, totally.

00:00:52.000 How much difference is it when it's cloudy?

00:00:55.000 I mean, several orders of magnitude.

00:00:57.000 Yeah.

00:00:57.000 Yeah, like barely work.

00:00:58.000 I mean, it works.

00:00:59.000 It works.

00:00:59.000 It works well enough.

00:01:00.000 But right here works great.

00:01:01.000 Right here, the sun is so intense and just gnarly.

00:01:04.000 You go outside, you can feel it on your skin.

00:01:06.000 Yeah, my solar thing's like, you're good forever.

00:01:08.000 Don't worry.

00:01:09.000 Turn the AC on full blast.

00:01:10.000 Really?

00:01:11.000 So if I run the AC on full blast, it will probably last, if I start when the sun comes up, Maybe like, I don't know, 14 hours.

00:01:19.000 Wow.

00:01:20.000 That's intense though, man.

00:01:22.000 AC. If I use just the fan to get circulation, I can play PlayStation, I can watch movies, I can turn the music on full blast.

00:01:29.000 And you could probably, with AC, you could probably turn it on and off as the temperature goes up and down.

00:01:33.000 Yeah.

00:01:34.000 And the van is, is it insulated at all?

00:01:37.000 Oh man, like crazy.

00:01:37.000 Yeah?

00:01:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:01:39.000 Yeah, these guys, I was trying to find somebody to help me modify this thing for a while.

00:01:43.000 I think when I was here last time, I had the van, but it was empty.

00:01:46.000 And then I found these guys in Jersey.

00:01:48.000 They do police modification stuff, like gun racks and seats.

00:01:55.000 And I guess because the van life thing started getting big, I did a Google search.

00:01:59.000 I couldn't find anybody.

00:02:00.000 The van life thing?

00:02:01.000 Yeah, van life, man.

00:02:02.000 What are you talking about?

00:02:03.000 So on YouTube, van life was this big trend.

00:02:07.000 I think it's kind of waning a little bit.

00:02:08.000 But there was one woman who got like two million subscribers on one video. 1.00

00:02:13.000 Really?

00:02:13.000 Because she lives in her van with her pet snake or something like that.

00:02:15.000 Oh, she's probably hot. 1.00

00:02:16.000 Is she hot? 1.00

00:02:17.000 She's young.

00:02:18.000 I think so.

00:02:25.000 We're good to go.

00:02:39.000 Like, there are pro companies that do van modification.

00:02:42.000 Eight month wait period.

00:02:43.000 Really?

00:02:44.000 Yeah, so I went on Google Maps of all places, just because I was like, maybe that's my problem.

00:02:49.000 I typed in van modification, and two miles from me, boom, this guy pops up.

00:02:54.000 And he does, him and his company, they did modifications for local police departments on like SWAT vans, surveillance vans, and things like that.

00:03:01.000 I wonder if I'm supposed to be saying that.

00:03:03.000 Probably not.

00:03:04.000 They didn't tell you to keep your mouth shut?

00:03:06.000 No, actually, he was like, yeah, let people know we do this work, you know what I mean?

00:03:09.000 What's the name of the company?

00:03:11.000 Diversified Vehicle Systems, I think.

00:03:12.000 Man, if I got that name wrong, I'm gonna feel so bad.

00:03:14.000 Well, see if you can find it, Jamie.

00:03:16.000 Yeah.

00:03:17.000 Diversified vehicle system.

00:03:18.000 Or services.

00:03:20.000 Yeah.

00:03:20.000 And he's got cool photos of like SWAT vans and stuff.

00:03:23.000 I'm stoked.

00:03:24.000 The dude, you know, he hooked me up.

00:03:25.000 That thing's amazing.

00:03:26.000 It is interesting that you can power everything from the solar panels.

00:03:29.000 You can power your monitors because you have it set up in there.

00:03:31.000 We have monitors and lights.

00:03:33.000 You have cameras.

00:03:35.000 What kind of...

00:03:35.000 Do you have an internet connection?

00:03:37.000 I use my phones.

00:03:38.000 But there is on the roof this thing called a Weingard.

00:03:41.000 So you have 5G on your phone, right?

00:03:43.000 Yep.

00:03:44.000 Oh, yeah.

00:03:45.000 Here it is.

00:03:46.000 Diversified Vehicle Services.

00:03:47.000 That's him.

00:03:48.000 Quick ProMaster interior before the van heads to tire.

00:03:51.000 Okay.

00:03:52.000 Yeah.

00:03:53.000 You're making this guy's week.

00:03:55.000 Good.

00:03:55.000 Cool.

00:03:56.000 Good for him.

00:03:56.000 He's a cool dude.

00:03:56.000 Yeah.

00:03:57.000 So how long did it take for them to trick it out?

00:04:00.000 I think it took like maybe three weeks to a month.

00:04:02.000 And you felt super confident to drive that thing all the way across the country?

00:04:06.000 Totally.

00:04:06.000 Was it weird at all?

00:04:08.000 No, it was pretty awesome.

00:04:09.000 Was there any spots you stopped in? 0.99

00:04:10.000 You're like, what in the fuck? 0.98

00:04:12.000 Like barstow type areas? 1.00

00:04:14.000 Just because of the pandemic and all that stuff?

00:04:16.000 Yeah, well, the pandemic and they're weird already.

00:04:19.000 I've driven across this country too much.

00:04:21.000 I've purposefully in the past have driven through really weird parts like off of interstate highways.

00:04:26.000 I've been in some pretty crazy places.

00:04:27.000 I've been to one motel that once looked like it used to be a prison or something.

00:04:32.000 It used to be a prison?

00:04:33.000 No, no, no.

00:04:34.000 I'm just saying it looked like it did.

00:04:35.000 Like there's no windows.

00:04:36.000 There's just like those block windows you can't see through with like the weird wavy glass.

00:04:40.000 I had no idea what the building used to be.

00:04:42.000 But it was a motel now.

00:04:43.000 It looked like I was in a meat locker or something.

00:04:45.000 But there's one town.

00:04:47.000 I think it was in New Mexico.

00:04:48.000 I don't want to say the name because I get it wrong.

00:04:50.000 But they put up a sign saying no one's allowed in.

00:04:53.000 Nobody.

00:04:53.000 The whole town?

00:04:54.000 The whole town was close off.

00:04:54.000 Because of the pandemic?

00:04:55.000 Yep.

00:04:56.000 No one's allowed in.

00:04:57.000 Can you do that?

00:04:57.000 It said no visitors, no business, something like that.

00:05:01.000 It said residents only.

00:05:03.000 Is that legal?

00:05:04.000 I don't think it is.

00:05:05.000 That's where it's weird, right?

00:05:06.000 A lot of this stuff is like, what is legal as far as lockdowns?

00:05:14.000 What's legal?

00:05:15.000 Is it completely up to the—this is a debate right now, right?

00:05:18.000 Whether or not it's completely up to the governors, whether it's the mayors have individual liberty in whatever town and— I mean, I'll tell you what, it sounds like the Constitution doesn't exist right now.

00:05:29.000 Well, I wouldn't go that far.

00:05:30.000 I'm a little hyperbolic, but I mean, come on.

00:05:33.000 There's definitely some protections.

00:05:35.000 Let's put it this way.

00:05:36.000 Let's be as generous as possible.

00:05:38.000 Protections that are in place to shield the vulnerable people from the pandemic.

00:05:42.000 But a lot of folks feel like there's some overstepping.

00:05:45.000 And there's a problem with power, man.

00:05:48.000 If you give power to people, they do not like to give it back.

00:05:51.000 They always think it's better with me in charge.

00:05:54.000 There was one documentary I saw a long time ago.

00:05:56.000 Some activists went to like the CEO of Shell and he talked to him and he was like, listen, you got to understand I'm trying my hardest with me at the helm.

00:06:04.000 I'm doing such good things for the environment.

00:06:06.000 They always think they're the benevolent dictator.

00:06:08.000 That's why I think decentralization is so much more important in so many different aspects.

00:06:13.000 Yeah, that is a weird trait that human beings have when they get into a position like that, right?

00:06:18.000 Well, the type of person who would want to be a governor to begin with, the type of person that would want to run the entire state.

00:06:24.000 Yeah.

00:06:26.000 I don't trust any individual to have good intentions.

00:06:30.000 I should say they do have good intentions, but I don't trust them to actually know what's best for everybody.

00:06:34.000 There's no way you can.

00:06:35.000 I mean, to be able to be accurate about all the different predictions in this regard, you know, when you're talking about this pandemic thing.

00:06:45.000 One of the biggest problems I'm looking at is who determines what's essential and what's not essential.

00:06:49.000 Yeah, weed stores are essential. 0.95

00:06:51.000 So we heard it like in Michigan, for instance, they were closing off certain parts of certain stores.

00:06:57.000 Did you hear about this?

00:06:58.000 So a lot of people took it because there were photos of seeds at Walmart or something where there was like tape saying you can't, you know, this part of the store is closed.

00:07:06.000 And so the story went out that you weren't allowed to buy seeds anymore.

00:07:09.000 The story actually was that Stores over 50,000 feet had to close off non-essential areas like flooring and gardening and things like that.

00:07:17.000 And who's to determine what is and isn't essential about any of those services?

00:07:21.000 Particularly gardening.

00:07:22.000 If there's a time where you want to have your own food readily available in your backyard, now's the time.

00:07:28.000 Well, even think about just general hardware.

00:07:30.000 If they're going to shut that down, what if a hole breaks open in your floor?

00:07:34.000 You know, your kid falls through it or something.

00:07:35.000 You got to get that fixed.

00:07:36.000 Yeah.

00:07:37.000 I mean, that's a serious safety issue.

00:07:38.000 So you've got these governors determining what is essential and what isn't.

00:07:42.000 I heard a good...

00:07:43.000 Good argument for keeping liquor stores open because I was like, come on, liquor stores?

00:07:46.000 But someone said, actually, it is to prevent people from going into detox, from having problems detoxing, where they would take up a hospital bed that we need, potentially need because of the virus.

00:07:59.000 That makes sense.

00:08:00.000 I also think about the reality of you take away booze in a time of a crisis and you're going to see people's nerves snap real quick.

00:08:06.000 Have you seen the video of this guy jogging down the street and he examines everybody's recyclables?

00:08:11.000 No.

00:08:11.000 And it's all filled with vodka bottles and tequila and whiskey and wine and he just goes from house to house.

00:08:17.000 He's like, let's see what they've been up to.

00:08:19.000 Well, people are so stressed out.

00:08:21.000 They're just getting hammered.

00:08:22.000 Yeah.

00:08:22.000 There's gonna be a lot of liver damage when this is all...

00:08:24.000 A lot of divorces, too.

00:08:26.000 Yeah.

00:08:26.000 I heard that's going up.

00:08:28.000 Oh, yeah.

00:08:28.000 People and domestic abuse and things like that.

00:08:30.000 Oh, sure.

00:08:30.000 And suicide.

00:08:31.000 Here's the prediction I made very early on.

00:08:34.000 I was talking to my friends.

00:08:35.000 Actually, I think I said this.

00:08:37.000 What they're going to do, they're going to say we're only going to keep things closed until April 12th.

00:08:42.000 And that's what Trump said at first.

00:08:43.000 Easter, we're going to come open up.

00:08:44.000 And I said about a week before, they're going to say, well, we got to push it back.

00:08:47.000 Sure enough, April 30th, then May 15th.

00:08:50.000 Now it's June 1st.

00:08:51.000 June 1st for who?

00:08:53.000 I think New York just announced this.

00:08:55.000 They said June 1st?

00:08:56.000 Yeah.

00:08:56.000 But I think they said they're going to start May 15th with outside of New York City, right?

00:09:01.000 Isn't that what Cuomo said?

00:09:03.000 I'm not entirely sure.

00:09:03.000 I feel like he said they're going to start.

00:09:05.000 I do know a lot of jurisdictions have slowly entered the phase one.

00:09:08.000 There was that Trump argument with Kemp in Georgia about going too fast and stuff like that.

00:09:13.000 Yeah.

00:09:16.000 People starting to realize if you don't open things up, there's nothing to save, right?

00:09:20.000 Right.

00:09:21.000 What's what's freaking to me about all of this is the tribalism behind whether or not we should reopen the economy or stay locked down.

00:09:27.000 It's connected to everything, right?

00:09:29.000 What do you mean?

00:09:30.000 The tribalism.

00:09:30.000 It's connected to everything.

00:09:31.000 Totally.

00:09:31.000 It's it's it's.

00:09:32.000 So, you know, I had a friend messaging me saying we're stupid. 0.99

00:09:37.000 People who want haircuts are going to get us all killed and they're going out and protesting. 1.00

00:09:41.000 And the first thing I'm like, you really don't think just because one guy was holding that dumb sign. 0.98

00:09:45.000 That's what everyone is thinking, right? 0.51

00:09:46.000 No, that's not the case.

00:09:48.000 But what's crazy to me is you had the UN, a UN advisor come out and say, we're looking at 130 million people are going to starve because of the economic shutdown.

00:09:56.000 And that's going to be much worse, potentially, than the actual pandemic itself.

00:10:01.000 And these kind of facts are ignored because of the tribalism of what's happening.

00:10:04.000 You know, Trump tweets it out.

00:10:05.000 Therefore, it's now a right, left, you know, conservative, whatever.

00:10:08.000 Yeah.

00:10:08.000 I don't think they know exactly what to do.

00:10:10.000 I mean, I think there's some educated decisions that are being made by medical professionals, and then they have to adjust those based on new statistics that come in.

00:10:19.000 And I don't know if they have adjusted.

00:10:21.000 Like, the initial idea was that there was an X amount of people that were infected in California.

00:10:27.000 It turns out there's many, many, many more.

00:10:29.000 And the most recent thought is that there's somewhere around 400,000.

00:10:33.000 Now, there has been some dispute about these studies.

00:10:36.000 You know, whether or not these studies are accurate, whether or not the tests are accurate, whether or not you could get it again, whether or not it even matters if you've already had it.

00:10:45.000 You might be able to get it again.

00:10:46.000 But there's no adjustments.

00:10:48.000 No one's saying, hey, this is way less deadly than we thought it was going to be.

00:10:54.000 This sounds like the problem of government.

00:10:57.000 I've never been one of these small government types.

00:11:00.000 I'm – as much as people might want to argue with me, I lean a little bit left on a lot of issues like government programs I think are good things.

00:11:06.000 It just seems like whenever the government enacts something, it's so slow to fix it if it goes bad or when things change, right?

00:11:12.000 So slow to adjust if they need to shift back.

00:11:16.000 They tend to just dump more money into it if it's not working properly.

00:11:19.000 I want to know why some people just shake this off.

00:11:23.000 That's, to me, the most...

00:11:25.000 It almost seems like you're dealing with more than one virus.

00:11:28.000 It's like you're dealing with a bunch of different versions of a virus.

00:11:31.000 I think you are.

00:11:32.000 I think they've said they found multiple strains, like that it changed a little bit or something.

00:11:37.000 I don't want to pretend like I know for sure.

00:11:39.000 I know they did say that about India.

00:11:41.000 They said that the strain that they have in India is apparently very different than the strain they're experiencing in Europe.

00:11:47.000 Yeah.

00:11:48.000 I heard something similar about like Washington.

00:11:50.000 They found two strains.

00:11:52.000 I don't know, man.

00:11:53.000 Liberal and a conservative strain?

00:11:54.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:11:55.000 The crazy thing to me is the people, a lot of Trump supporters.

00:11:58.000 I'm not trying to blanket every single one, but there's some high-profile ones that are really acting like since the beginning they've doubted it every step of the way.

00:12:06.000 And I'm like, have you looked at the spike charts?

00:12:08.000 Here's what I say.

00:12:09.000 If in New York City we're seeing thousands more dead, what are they dying of if not some kind of – Infection.

00:12:17.000 I mean, you can call whatever you want.

00:12:18.000 You can act like nothing's going on, but we're seeing huge spikes in the amount of people dying.

00:12:21.000 You can't pay attention to them. 1.00

00:12:22.000 There's fools. 1.00

00:12:22.000 No matter what you do, there's always going to be fools. 1.00

00:12:24.000 So, you know, it's obviously a real virus. 0.98

00:12:26.000 It's obviously real dangerous.

00:12:27.000 Well, tribalism is... 1.00

00:12:28.000 It's foolish. 0.99

00:12:30.000 But it's... 0.98

00:12:31.000 You know, you've got to just dismiss that stuff.

00:12:33.000 You can't even...

00:12:34.000 Debate or dwell on it.

00:12:36.000 But what's interesting to me is, well, there's a bunch of parts that are interesting, but what's interesting to me is like who, like Georgia's opened, right?

00:12:44.000 And then parts of Montana have opened, there's things that have opened in Texas.

00:12:49.000 Yeah.

00:12:49.000 It's going to be interesting to see what the response is going to be, whether or not they come back online quicker and their economy builds up quicker, or whether or not they get a second surge and they have to shut down longer.

00:13:01.000 And it winds up being that maybe you should have waited longer and would have had less infection.

00:13:05.000 We just saw a city of 10 million in China enter lockdown again.

00:13:09.000 To what degree?

00:13:10.000 I'm not entirely sure, but they've announced re-upping all the social distancing measures and certain closures and stuff like that.

00:13:16.000 And they're saying it's because someone, a student, I think they're saying a student from the US came back.

00:13:21.000 Of course they're saying that.

00:13:22.000 Right, right, right.

00:13:23.000 Reignited.

00:13:24.000 But there's also a bunch of studies now about reinfection.

00:13:28.000 It's a whole lot of we don't know and everyone's freaking out. 0.66

00:13:31.000 Whenever there's a new disease and everybody's gotta scramble in real time to try to figure out what the fuck to do about it.

00:13:37.000 And we're all just weirded out. 0.67

00:13:38.000 Everybody's weirded out, you know?

00:13:40.000 No one knows, like, what is normal now?

00:13:42.000 What is reality?

00:13:43.000 The reality we live in.

00:13:44.000 Like, you see movies now when people hug or shake hands and you're like, What are you doing?

00:13:50.000 I've been watching these commercials.

00:13:52.000 You see these commercials?

00:13:53.000 They're all the same.

00:13:54.000 Where it's like, we're all in this together.

00:13:56.000 And then it shows people banging pots and pans.

00:13:58.000 And it's like, we may not be able to hug anymore, but the love is there.

00:14:00.000 It's like, all identical.

00:14:02.000 But then all of a sudden, an older commercial pops up.

00:14:04.000 I was watching this the other day, and it's like a guy walks up, shakes his buddy's hand, pats him on the back, and then gives his wife a kiss on the cheek, and I'm like, that's an old commercial.

00:14:11.000 I can tell it's an old campaign, because they would not do that.

00:14:15.000 Most of them are old, because you can't shoot anything anymore.

00:14:18.000 I'm curious how they're doing these commercials where they film New York.

00:14:21.000 I guess they're going out in New York and filming people actually cheer from their balconies and stuff.

00:14:26.000 Yeah.

00:14:28.000 Look, I think there's a real tough question that a lot of people want to ignore.

00:14:33.000 I think there's a lot of Trump supporters who are pushing it because they're in favor of reopening the economy.

00:14:37.000 But there's like that equation of at what point is having things shut down more damaging than – so at a certain point, we have to recognize people are going to die no matter what we do.

00:14:45.000 Well, there's a Bloomberg – not the mayor, but there's a Bloomberg statistic on – The economy that measures the downside, like when the economy goes down, how many people die because of it.

00:15:00.000 And you could kind of trace it.

00:15:02.000 It's very disturbing.

00:15:04.000 And when we're talking about deaths, we're talking about there's something that we can immediately deal with.

00:15:09.000 It's right in front of us.

00:15:10.000 It's a disease.

00:15:11.000 It's happening right now.

00:15:12.000 Go after it.

00:15:12.000 Stop it.

00:15:13.000 But the secondary reaction to that, in fact, because you're closing the economy, might wind up killing as many people as you're trying to avoid being killing in the long run.

00:15:23.000 Or more.

00:15:24.000 I don't know.

00:15:25.000 The big story on the UN was that their advisor said 235 million starving in the next year or so unless things kick back into gear.

00:15:35.000 Well, hopefully they are going to kick back in the gear.

00:15:37.000 California is supposed to open up on May 15th, but the governor has been...

00:15:41.000 I don't know if he enjoys it, but it seems like they definitely are comfortable with being the person they get to say, this is shut down and we're going to keep it shut down.

00:15:54.000 Dude, the authoritarianism is scary.

00:15:56.000 It's weird. 1.00

00:15:56.000 They're arresting people for fucking going to the park with their kids. 1.00

00:15:59.000 You see that tweet from the UK where they posted the shadows of the two cops? 0.99

00:16:03.000 And it was like, think going into a rural area to have a picnic is – you'll get away with it.

00:16:08.000 We're going to lurk out of the shadows and find you.

00:16:10.000 No way.

00:16:10.000 I swear to God.

00:16:11.000 Yeah, it went viral.

00:16:12.000 What?

00:16:13.000 You're in the middle of nowhere having a picnic.

00:16:14.000 Go for it.

00:16:15.000 Here's the thing, man. 1.00

00:16:16.000 That's fucking China shit. 1.00

00:16:18.000 Totally. 1.00

00:16:19.000 That is like, fuck, man. 1.00

00:16:21.000 Well, now there's another story. 1.00

00:16:22.000 Bill Gates apparently said, you know, China did a bunch of things right.

00:16:25.000 And now what they're doing is they're taking that quote and they're putting it next to pictures of them welding doors shut and barricading people in their homes.

00:16:31.000 And then him hanging out with Epstein.

00:16:32.000 Oh, probably.

00:16:33.000 That's the latest thing.

00:16:35.000 I've been getting all these videos.

00:16:36.000 They really don't like that guy.

00:16:37.000 Well, people are sending me all these videos about Bill Gates and how he used to party with Epstein.

00:16:41.000 But a lot of people did.

00:16:43.000 Yeah.

00:16:43.000 I wonder how many of them knew.

00:16:45.000 Bill Gates apparently traveled with Epstein after Epstein had been convicted.

00:16:50.000 Oh, man.

00:16:51.000 Yeah.

00:16:52.000 Apparently, like, a couple years after he'd been convicted, it wasn't like he didn't know about it.

00:16:57.000 Right, right.

00:16:57.000 Have you seen Bill Gates' Instagram?

00:16:59.000 No.

00:16:59.000 All the comments just flooded with people saying, like, globalists and Illuminati kind of stuff?

00:17:06.000 I heard about that.

00:17:07.000 I heard a lot of pedophile stuff, too, right?

00:17:09.000 I don't know.

00:17:11.000 I know this is going to be really touchy because you've got a large group of really angry people, but they're saying things like, take your vaccines back.

00:17:16.000 We don't want them.

00:17:17.000 We won't wear the mark of the beast.

00:17:18.000 Yeah.

00:17:20.000 You know, man, he's talked about...

00:17:22.000 You know what China did? 0.95

00:17:23.000 They're giving you these codes on your phone.

00:17:24.000 And if you leave the town, it becomes void.

00:17:28.000 So if you're in the city, then you can go to a building, they scan it to see if you're clear.

00:17:31.000 And if you are, then you're able to come in. 1.00

00:17:33.000 Yeah, fuck all that. 1.00

00:17:34.000 Seriously. 1.00

00:17:35.000 I think, you know, man, the amount of people I've seen argue in favor of this executive, you know, these executive orders is pretty scary.

00:17:44.000 Yeah, I've been scared about that.

00:17:45.000 We've been talking about that quite a bit lately, where I've been saying you can't have massive, overreaching government surveillance as a response to a disease.

00:17:55.000 You can't.

00:17:56.000 Because they're not going to shut it off once the disease has a vaccine.

00:17:59.000 They're going to keep that stuff in place.

00:18:00.000 And you are giving up a massive part of what it means to be an American.

00:18:04.000 To be free.

00:18:05.000 Take a look at the social media, what's going on with Twitter, Facebook.

00:18:10.000 The CEO of YouTube – we'll start there – said on CNN basically anyone who says anything out of line with the World Health Organization is – it's bannable.

00:18:19.000 It's against our community guidelines.

00:18:21.000 The World Health Organization has flip-flopped back and forth several times already.

00:18:24.000 Well, they're clearly spouting out Chinese propaganda too, particularly in January when they were saying that according to China, there's no evidence that you could be transmitted from person to person.

00:18:35.000 And did you know the AP reported at that time China knew and withheld the information for six days?

00:18:40.000 So the day that the World Health Organization tweeted out no evidence according to China of human-to-human transmission, we now know according to the AP that China did know and purposefully withheld that.

00:18:51.000 What you've got going on with China right now, I question whether or not we're getting close to an act of war.

00:18:56.000 And I know that might be a little exaggerated, but they've got – this is a story that was published in BuzzFeed News.

00:19:02.000 Trolls working either for China or within China trying to slow down the response in other regions like Spain, Italy, Taiwan.

00:19:09.000 I think the BuzzFeed one was specifically about Taiwan, sowing disinformation so it would slow their response, things like that.

00:19:16.000 Why?

00:19:17.000 Well, I think China wants Taiwan, right?

00:19:20.000 They don't like they're a rogue province, so they consider it.

00:19:22.000 Yeah, well, that's why they had instructed the World Health Organization to not even mention the name Taiwan.

00:19:27.000 You saw that video?

00:19:28.000 That video is crazy, where the head of the World Health Organization is being interviewed.

00:19:33.000 And in the interview, the woman asked him about Taiwan's response.

00:19:37.000 And he says, I think China's done a great job.

00:19:39.000 Well, at first he ignores her, and then he hangs up on her.

00:19:42.000 He hung up on her.

00:19:43.000 But he did say China, and she said Taiwan in specific, and I think that's when he hung up on her.

00:19:48.000 And then he came back and she goes, let's get back to the question.

00:19:51.000 Well, I think we've already covered it.

00:19:52.000 China's done a great job.

00:19:54.000 He's clearly avoiding.

00:19:56.000 But why does he think he can do that?

00:19:58.000 What does China have on them?

00:20:01.000 Is it just trying to funding them?

00:20:04.000 I mean you saw what happened with the NBA and like Blizzard.

00:20:07.000 People don't want to get that cold hard cash. 0.97

00:20:09.000 They're making a bold bet.

00:20:11.000 You know what I mean?

00:20:12.000 Do you know what Thucydides' trap is?

00:20:16.000 No.

00:20:17.000 So this is – I was reading about this.

00:20:19.000 The Atlantic wrote about this in 2015. Are we headed for a war with China?

00:20:23.000 And Thucydides Trap says that whenever a growing power seeks to upset the dominant power, it results in war.

00:20:29.000 And out of 12 out of 16 times over the past 500 years, it has happened.

00:20:34.000 So people have been predicting a US-China war for a really long time because of this historical precedent.

00:20:41.000 It's not absolute, but it looks like – I'm not going to talk like I'm a historical expert or anything like that, but it looks extremely probable to me.

00:20:49.000 I've had a lot of people get mad at me saying that I was fear-mongering by bringing this up, but the U.S. just sent two warships into the South China Sea, which China considers their own territory.

00:20:56.000 When you look at what China has been doing in terms of misinformation, clearly lying about the numbers.

00:21:02.000 I can't remember who did this.

00:21:03.000 I think it may have been Germany removing China's numbers from the charts saying they're not real.

00:21:07.000 So China has been misleading the rest of the world, withholding information on how bad the infection is.

00:21:11.000 They sent a strike group, an aircraft carrier, Through the South China Sea near Taiwan, putting Japan on alert, the US's aircraft carrier, Theodore Roosevelt, was disabled because of the coronavirus.

00:21:22.000 They evacuated 80% of the personnel.

00:21:24.000 The US does what they call an elephant walk in Guam where they have all these bombers.

00:21:28.000 Then the US pulls them out because apparently China's got some kind of weapon that can just blanket Guam and wipe out our forces. 0.95

00:21:34.000 Next thing I know, we sent- What kind of weapon do they have that can do that?

00:21:37.000 I'm not entirely sure.

00:21:39.000 I'm getting my information from just reading peripheral stories.

00:21:42.000 I'm not a military guy or anything like that.

00:21:44.000 But it really – so the US just sent two warships into the South China Sea.

00:21:48.000 And I think they're doing this because – Well,

00:22:10.000 didn't China – Didn't they go into a group exercise with Iran after we killed that guy?

00:22:19.000 Oh, I don't know.

00:22:20.000 Yeah, there was a group exercise with China and Iran in the sea.

00:22:26.000 They did something like some sort of show of unity right after Trump had that guy assassinated.

00:22:33.000 Do you see what happened with those Iranian gunboats?

00:22:35.000 They were swarming the US naval vessels. 0.59

00:22:38.000 And then Trump ordered them, if they do it again, sink them, blow them up.

00:22:43.000 Do you know that Venezuela tried commandeering a civilian yacht a couple weeks ago?

00:22:47.000 What?

00:22:47.000 Venezuelan naval ship crashed into a German-owned private cruise liner.

00:22:53.000 They were trying to – my understanding of the story because I know a lot of people are – they're not going to want to provide that analysis.

00:22:59.000 They were trying to steal it.

00:23:00.000 So they claim – Steal it?

00:23:01.000 Yeah.

00:23:02.000 So I think the official word from Venezuela was they thought this was a fake cruise ship with assassins from Maduro or something.

00:23:09.000 So they ordered it to come into their waters because they weren't.

00:23:13.000 A Venezuelan naval ship started ramming it, sank itself.

00:23:17.000 Yeah, I heard about that.

00:23:17.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:18.000 And so then sometime after, Donald Trump deploys two US naval vessels near Venezuelan waters, which he says are for drug-related operations.

00:23:27.000 I'm not going to – like I know a lot of people are going to get heated saying, you know what you're talking about.

00:23:30.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:31.000 All I know is that's what was reported.

00:23:32.000 Who knows what that means or what it leads to.

00:23:34.000 But needless to say, with – look, Russia is withholding wheat exports.

00:23:39.000 Several European countries have closed their borders within the Schengen area.

00:23:43.000 People are starting to hoard food.

00:23:44.000 And we just had a full-page ad in the New York Times Sunday edition.

00:23:48.000 I think it was from Tyson saying the food supply chain is breaking and we're getting ready for a major shortage of food.

00:23:54.000 Yeah, they had to kill two million chickens because they didn't have anybody to butcher them. 0.99

00:23:59.000 Here's my concern.

00:24:00.000 When you have these nation states shoring up their borders, even within the European Union, that was crazy to me when you see Germany and France and Austria closing their borders to each other.

00:24:10.000 Then you get these warships making these movements.

00:24:12.000 You get people desperate for food.

00:24:14.000 You see Venezuela ramming into a cruise ship.

00:24:17.000 I say this.

00:24:17.000 It could be that we're hyper-focused on it because we're bored.

00:24:20.000 We don't normally pay attention to the stuff.

00:24:21.000 We normally pay attention to celebrity gossip and politics.

00:24:24.000 Now that we're not doing anything, we're really focused on what's happening in international territory.

00:24:28.000 Or perhaps it's that we're getting desperate and we're scared as the economy tanks.

00:24:32.000 Well, if it wasn't for mutually assured destruction, I would say, yeah, we're probably moving into a place of war.

00:24:36.000 But when you have two nuclear superpowers, like China and the U.S., it's like, what do they do?

00:24:43.000 What are you going to do?

00:24:44.000 One guy is going to launch a missile.

00:24:45.000 The other guy is going to launch a missile.

00:24:47.000 What are they going to do?

00:24:48.000 Are they going to go into a full-scale war and wipe out everyone on the planet?

00:24:51.000 Because that's what would happen.

00:24:52.000 I think so.

00:24:53.000 I do.

00:24:53.000 The thing is, who would be more willing to wipe out a giant chunk of the population?

00:24:59.000 Would it be China or would it be the United States?

00:25:02.000 I don't think it'd be the United States.

00:25:03.000 I think it'd be China.

00:25:04.000 And I think it really depends on how strained they are for resources and whether or not they're really going to lose.

00:25:11.000 The difficult...

00:25:13.000 Look, in China, when this broke out, we saw videos of them barricading people in their homes, welding their doors shut.

00:25:19.000 Yeah.

00:25:19.000 The doctor whistleblower.

00:25:20.000 There's one story of Viceran.

00:25:22.000 A journalist was calling out all of these things, disappears for a month, comes back a month later, all happy, like, government's great.

00:25:28.000 We love them.

00:25:29.000 Really?

00:25:29.000 Yeah.

00:25:30.000 We know what they do.

00:25:31.000 We've seen videos.

00:25:32.000 Now, this could be propaganda because I'm in America, so of course I'm getting this information.

00:25:36.000 Maybe the US is trying to build this up.

00:25:38.000 But I think you take a look at that kind of behavior, the willingness to do anything by any means necessary.

00:25:43.000 And at what point do you get one person who's in charge saying, I will not be the captain of a ship that sinks?

00:25:49.000 You know, I look to – well, I don't want to get super political in American history, but I view it as you've got a leader of a country, and as people are looking at him, he says, this will be the year my country ceases to exist.

00:26:00.000 F that.

00:26:01.000 Press the button.

00:26:03.000 I will not be the – I will not be the person who has that stain.

00:26:05.000 It's hard to know though because it could be a leader saying I will not be the person who destroys the world.

00:26:10.000 I would rather go down in history as the failure of my country.

00:26:14.000 I think you back somebody into a corner and you get fight or flight.

00:26:17.000 I don't trust Trump's decision-making in that regard either.

00:26:21.000 No, I don't.

00:26:22.000 I just – I don't trust anybody's decision-making but anybody who won't admit – That he said one thing when we saw it, like this whole injecting, disinfection, maybe a cleaning.

00:26:31.000 The fact that he said he was being sarcastic. 0.99

00:26:33.000 That was so dumb. 0.98

00:26:34.000 And if you're that same person and then we want you to be in charge of this decision whether or not we go to war. 0.99

00:26:41.000 I mean, obviously you have to have the support of Congress.

00:26:44.000 But you know, the disinfectant story is one of the weirdest and most difficult things to actually grasp.

00:26:54.000 I think he just got caught rambling.

00:26:55.000 That's it.

00:26:56.000 You ever see the episode of South Park where Cartman pretends like he has Tourette's?

00:27:00.000 No.

00:27:00.000 So Cartman finds out that people with Tourette's just say all these things.

00:27:04.000 So he's like, if I pretend to have this, I can say whatever I want. 0.85

00:27:07.000 And then eventually he loses his filter and starts saying a bunch of ridiculous things. 0.55

00:27:11.000 Like he starts admitting to like, you know, touching his cousin or something, camp. 0.88

00:27:15.000 And he's like, why am I saying this?

00:27:16.000 Oh, no, I've lost my filter.

00:27:18.000 Donald Trump, that's what he, here's how I see it.

00:27:21.000 He heard something from these experts.

00:27:23.000 He didn't understand it.

00:27:24.000 He has no filter, and so he just asked this thing.

00:27:28.000 Here's my challenge with it. 1.00

00:27:30.000 Is there a such thing as a stupid question? 1.00

00:27:32.000 Yes. 1.00

00:27:33.000 There is.

00:27:34.000 Can you eat glass?

00:27:35.000 Right. 1.00

00:27:35.000 That's a stupid question. 1.00

00:27:36.000 Don't some, like, performers eat glass? 1.00

00:27:39.000 They don't really eat glass, do they?

00:27:41.000 They chew up candy glass.

00:27:43.000 Yeah.

00:27:44.000 Here's the struggle.

00:27:46.000 Here's the struggle.

00:27:48.000 What is a disinfectant?

00:27:49.000 How do you interpret what he said?

00:28:12.000 I don't think Trump was going for that.

00:28:13.000 I think the guy mentioned we have bleach and alcohol and Trump was like, I wonder if you could, you know, possibly get in their body through an injection as a cleaning.

00:28:20.000 Yeah.

00:28:21.000 I mean, look, well, what's really interesting that came out of this was Twitter banned an account That is a publicly traded biotech account that has a legitimate therapy.

00:28:31.000 When someone has been intubated, when they're on a respirator, they can send UV light through that tube and actually kill some of the bad bacteria in the lungs.

00:28:43.000 Now, the video that shows how they do it, it shows the tube and this animated thing which shows the lungs.

00:28:50.000 They banned them! 0.94

00:28:51.000 They banned a publicly traded biotech company Which is just, I don't know if they banned them because they think that in some way this supports what Trump was saying, or if someone just pulled the trigger too quickly.

00:29:05.000 I mean, who's doing this over here? 0.98

00:29:07.000 I think you have a bunch of fucking kids that are making decisions whether or not something gets banned or not. 1.00

00:29:12.000 Something gets reported, like someone report, I'm just guessing, someone reports and says, look, these fucking idiots are saying that Donald Trump's right, you can get lied in there. 1.00

00:29:20.000 Ban it! 1.00

00:29:20.000 Ban the account! 1.00

00:29:21.000 Nuke it! 1.00

00:29:22.000 We sat here with Jack and...

00:29:25.000 Vija.

00:29:26.000 And I don't think we got a definitive answer necessarily.

00:29:30.000 We got a, you know, thank you for your feedback.

00:29:32.000 I think we got an answer in terms of what Jack wants, in terms of...

00:29:36.000 I think Jack is a legitimately honest guy who is trying to manage things at scale, and I think that's almost impossible.

00:29:45.000 The sheer numbers that are coming in.

00:29:47.000 And he's trying to do a Wild West Twitter now.

00:29:50.000 This is his concept of having a Twitter that's just wide open.

00:29:53.000 We could do anything.

00:29:54.000 And then having like a regular sort of moderated Twitter.

00:29:57.000 There's a name I can say right now.

00:30:00.000 A name?

00:30:00.000 If I say a name right now.

00:30:02.000 Candyman?

00:30:03.000 This video will be pulled from YouTube.

00:30:06.000 Did you know that?

00:30:07.000 Really?

00:30:08.000 I can say one guy's name.

00:30:09.000 Alex Jones?

00:30:10.000 No.

00:30:11.000 Don't say it.

00:30:12.000 If you know it is, don't say it.

00:30:13.000 I'm not going to say it.

00:30:13.000 What does it start with?

00:30:15.000 I don't think I should even do that.

00:30:16.000 Really?

00:30:17.000 I've had my video taken down, and I've been told to- Write it down.

00:30:20.000 Here, write it down for me.

00:30:20.000 You sure?

00:30:21.000 Yeah, write it down.

00:30:22.000 Just write it down.

00:30:24.000 If you say this name, your video will be taken down.

00:30:26.000 They've taken down C-SPAN. What?

00:30:28.000 They've taken down Fox News.

00:30:29.000 Really?

00:30:31.000 Is it Hitler? 0.75

00:30:32.000 No.

00:30:33.000 I'm warning you not to say this name.

00:30:34.000 The company's been unsuspended, if you will.

00:30:38.000 Unsuspended.

00:30:39.000 I don't know the word for that. 0.99

00:30:39.000 So yeah, so somebody probably fucked up. 0.99

00:30:41.000 It was probably a kid. 0.99

00:30:43.000 My handwriting is awful.

00:30:44.000 That's okay.

00:30:45.000 Do not say that name.

00:30:46.000 I'm not kidding with you, man.

00:30:47.000 Do not say that name.

00:30:49.000 I don't even know who that is.

00:30:50.000 He is the...

00:30:51.000 I can describe him to you.

00:30:53.000 He's a CIA... He worked for the CIA, I guess.

00:30:58.000 He is accused of being the whistleblower.

00:31:02.000 The Ukraine whistleblower.

00:31:04.000 And if you say his name, you will get taken down.

00:31:06.000 Wow.

00:31:08.000 That seems like news.

00:31:10.000 How come news will get you taken down?

00:31:12.000 Yeah, makes you wonder, right?

00:31:14.000 How come a biotech company with a legitimate product gets taken down?

00:31:17.000 I guess you said it was restored. 0.99

00:31:18.000 Yeah, I think that biotech company, somebody fucked up. 0.99

00:31:21.000 I think you have too many... 0.98

00:31:22.000 I think from what Adam Curry was explaining to me, is that there's a bunch of kids that work for Twitter.

00:31:29.000 And they work for a lot of these other companies.

00:31:32.000 And they're the ones responsible for whether or not something gets banned or something gets taken down.

00:31:36.000 You know the Zuby story, the OK Dude story?

00:31:38.000 Right, right, right, right.

00:31:39.000 Which is just bonkers.

00:31:40.000 For people so this can be standalone.

00:31:43.000 Zuby, who is a British guy, we've talked about this on the podcast before, he's been a guest on the podcast, he's a rapper.

00:31:49.000 A very intelligent, interesting guy who doesn't even swear.

00:31:53.000 He's very polite.

00:31:54.000 He's a really nice guy.

00:31:56.000 So he gets in some sort of an interaction with someone on Twitter, and this person says, I bet I sleep with more women than you.

00:32:01.000 He says, okay, dude.

00:32:03.000 That's it.

00:32:04.000 He got nuked.

00:32:06.000 Banned. 0.98

00:32:06.000 He got suspended for a long period of time, like weeks or whatever the fuck it is. 0.98

00:32:10.000 I don't know how long you get suspended for something like that.

00:32:13.000 But then he asked for it to be reviewed, and they upheld it.

00:32:18.000 They said, yes, you can't say, oh, okay, dude.

00:32:21.000 Now, I don't know if he was talking to a trans woman.

00:32:23.000 He didn't either.

00:32:24.000 Yeah, he didn't either.

00:32:25.000 Yeah, I think he didn't know.

00:32:26.000 Is that what it is?

00:32:27.000 Is that what the case was?

00:32:29.000 That's my understanding of the story.

00:32:30.000 Yeah, well, he didn't even know.

00:32:32.000 Right.

00:32:32.000 He just saw someone and said, okay, dude.

00:32:34.000 You know what the problem is?

00:32:35.000 This idea of approved truth, what YouTube calls authoritative sources.

00:32:40.000 So I know I'm pretty hard on YouTube, but this doesn't involve Facebook as well.

00:32:43.000 That name I sent you, Facebook will delete your post without notice if you type it.

00:32:47.000 Wow.

00:32:48.000 So here's what I did.

00:32:48.000 You tried it?

00:32:49.000 I typed, I just, I said something like, I heard of a man from Dubuque, an orthodontist named...

00:32:56.000 Who has five kids and he's in his mid-50s.

00:32:58.000 I did that because that in no way describes who that person is.

00:33:02.000 Not only did Facebook delete it.

00:33:03.000 They deleted it without telling me.

00:33:05.000 It was just erased from the site.

00:33:07.000 Gone.

00:33:07.000 So it's some sort of filter that's in place.

00:33:10.000 No, no.

00:33:10.000 Somebody manually did it.

00:33:11.000 It was there for a while.

00:33:12.000 And then somebody came in or somehow.

00:33:14.000 So do you know what happened with CNN and Chris Cuomo getting COVID? You know they faked that whole thing, right?

00:33:21.000 What do you mean they faked it?

00:33:22.000 So Chris Cuomo was spotted 30 minutes from his house on a property with a new construction being built.

00:33:28.000 Yes.

00:33:28.000 A steel frame.

00:33:29.000 A guy on a bike saw him.

00:33:32.000 Chris Cuomo, they got into it. 0.92

00:33:33.000 Chris Cuomo goes on his radio show and says, I don't want this jackass on a fat tire bike coming up to me. 0.96

00:33:37.000 I should tell him what I want. 0.91

00:33:39.000 The guy on the bike says he called the cops and said he threatened me.

00:33:42.000 So this basically confirms the encounter.

00:33:44.000 Right.

00:33:44.000 Chris Cuomo then shot a segment for CNN of him emerging from his basement like this is what I've been dreaming of, finally getting out of my basement and seeing my kids.

00:33:51.000 But he was witnessed seeing his kids somewhere else.

00:33:54.000 With his kids?

00:33:55.000 Yeah.

00:33:55.000 So you even had Ben Smith of the New York Times call this out saying – Ben Smith used to be the editor-in-chief of BuzzFeed News.

00:34:02.000 Now he's a media columnist for New York Times said something to the effect of it's like shocking how CNN is aligning this whole controversy.

00:34:08.000 They're pretending like it didn't happen.

00:34:10.000 Everybody knows Cuomo faked it.

00:34:11.000 He wasn't in quarantine.

00:34:12.000 He was out – presumably he was with two women and three kids.

00:34:16.000 So we can assume it was his wife and his kids, whatever.

00:34:19.000 I bring that up because you've got a couple other moments, right?

00:34:22.000 You've got Brian Stelter on his show saying that we've got to channel the anger for the people.

00:34:27.000 Yeah, that he was saying that journalists need to do that.

00:34:30.000 Yep, which is, you know, I basically said, so you're admitting you're rage bait.

00:34:34.000 Yes, I saw you did that, and I was glad that you said that.

00:34:36.000 Like, finally, they're admitting it.

00:34:38.000 Right, right, right.

00:34:39.000 I mean, look, it's no secret I'm going to rag on the media.

00:34:41.000 I worked for these companies, and I've seen them slowly getting worse and worse with everything.

00:34:45.000 I want to see Brian scream.

00:34:47.000 You want to see Brian scream?

00:34:48.000 Yeah, I think him enraged would be adorable.

00:34:52.000 I wonder how much anger he can muster.

00:34:55.000 I can't.

00:34:56.000 So here's a point I was getting to.

00:34:58.000 CNN is called an authoritative source.

00:35:01.000 They're lying in our faces.

00:35:02.000 I mean, you just had the Joe Biden thing.

00:35:04.000 I don't know if you've talked about this yet, but if you go to Google Play and look up Larry King's show from 1993, you will see there.

00:35:11.000 So actually, I checked many of the different months.

00:35:15.000 What people noticed was that one episode was missing, August 11th, 1993, the episode where Joe Biden's accuser called in saying my daughter had a problem with a prominent senator.

00:35:25.000 No, it was Joe Biden's accuser's mom.

00:35:27.000 The accuser's mom.

00:35:28.000 What did I say?

00:35:29.000 You said accuser.

00:35:30.000 Oh, right, yeah.

00:35:30.000 The accuser's mom.

00:35:31.000 Right.

00:35:32.000 That episode's gone.

00:35:33.000 Yes.

00:35:34.000 So I went through Google Play, and there certainly were other episodes that were presumably missing, typically Mondays, where I would assume that Larry King had a day off or something.

00:35:44.000 The 11th was a Wednesday.

00:35:45.000 Why was this missing?

00:35:47.000 Why did CNN – why were they scooped on their own story?

00:35:50.000 They had this evidence.

00:35:51.000 Apparently, this was news.

00:35:52.000 So when you look at what CNN has been doing, admitting that they're doing rage journalism, you get people like Jim Acosta.

00:35:58.000 But isn't that like what Brian – what's Brian Stelter?

00:36:02.000 Stelter.

00:36:03.000 Isn't he just – that's his own opinion?

00:36:06.000 I mean it's not that they're admitting that they're doing rage journalism.

00:36:09.000 It's he saying that they should do that, right?

00:36:12.000 Isn't that what it was?

00:36:13.000 He said it on Twitter, right?

00:36:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:36:15.000 I think it was a quote from his show.

00:36:17.000 Was it?

00:36:17.000 I think it was reliable sources tweeting it out.

00:36:20.000 And look, I may be hyperbolic or whatever because I got my opinions on CNN and all that.

00:36:25.000 But take a look at someone like Jim Acosta.

00:36:28.000 He stands up.

00:36:29.000 He argues with the president.

00:36:30.000 That's not what journalists are supposed to do.

00:36:32.000 If you want to ask the president a question, he gives you an answer.

00:36:35.000 If you have the opportunity for a follow-up, you do.

00:36:38.000 And then you write your story and you fact check him.

00:36:40.000 You write your story and say, Donald Trump, here's what he told us.

00:36:42.000 Here's the truth.

00:36:43.000 That's what journalists used to do. 0.95

00:36:45.000 Now you've got this idea of channeling the rage for the people.

00:36:48.000 What that means is it's something I've seen in activist circles where it was explained to me that what people are looking for is someone to strike down a symbol of what they view as their enemy or the cause of their problems.

00:37:01.000 I think?

00:37:16.000 Now you get performative journalism where Chris Cuomo pretends to come out of his basement where you get people standing up at the White House correspondents at the press conferences just arguing instead of actually asking questions.

00:37:27.000 And then YouTube, Facebook and Twitter say this is the truth.

00:37:31.000 We deem it so.

00:37:33.000 YouTube now puts them among other outlets on the front page of the website guaranteeing hundreds of millions of views.

00:37:39.000 Meanwhile, independent commentators like myself, we actually get hurt in the algorithm.

00:37:43.000 If you go to my channel, they only show you Fox News.

00:37:45.000 If you want to watch me, then you are guaranteed in the sidebar the next video will be Fox News.

00:37:51.000 They prop up all of these channels.

00:37:53.000 David Pakman, for instance, you get MSNBC. Jimmy Dore, Fox News.

00:37:57.000 I don't understand why they're going to send Jimmy's lefty followers to Fox News, but they're doing seemingly everything in their power to make sure individuals like myself and other commentators are struck down while channels like CNN, Fox, and MSNBC are propped up even though we know that they put out fake news.

00:38:13.000 But isn't that because of the algorithm, though?

00:38:16.000 And do you think that algorithm is engineered in order to lean towards those mainstream sites?

00:38:20.000 Absolutely.

00:38:20.000 100%?

00:38:21.000 We can see when it happened.

00:38:22.000 It was May of last year.

00:38:24.000 I've looked at my analytics around the time these smear pieces came out arguing that there was a rabbit hole where if you watch one kind of content, it's all you get.

00:38:32.000 It's a very, very misleading way of framing what was really going on.

00:38:35.000 And I'm surprised that YouTube just bent over for this.

00:38:41.000 You basically have YouTube's competition, these media outlets, using their media weight to hurt YouTube in ad sales.

00:38:48.000 So YouTube says, you got it.

00:38:49.000 We'll give you front page access.

00:38:51.000 We'll guarantee you, you know, people watch your content.

00:38:53.000 Right.

00:38:54.000 But they're doing that because that content is very popular and that generates ad revenue.

00:38:59.000 Well, I would say no, actually.

00:39:02.000 I would argue against that.

00:39:03.000 Well, okay.

00:39:04.000 But listen, like Tucker Carlson, for example.

00:39:06.000 You've got to know he's hugely popular.

00:39:07.000 Absolutely.

00:39:08.000 And if you have a Tucker Carlson video, it's going to generate millions of views.

00:39:11.000 Absolutely.

00:39:12.000 So YouTube within their best interests.

00:39:14.000 I'm talking about Alison Camerota.

00:39:16.000 Is anybody really Google searching on YouTube Alison Camerota's opinion on this?

00:39:20.000 All day.

00:39:20.000 I don't think so.

00:39:22.000 I don't know who that is.

00:39:23.000 Right.

00:39:24.000 Exactly.

00:39:24.000 And so you wouldn't be searching for it.

00:39:26.000 Tucker, of course, we know.

00:39:27.000 So you're saying it's the channel in general, not just someone who's popular like Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson.

00:39:34.000 They, as very famous personalities, very obviously do get more naturally.

00:39:39.000 So people are searching for Tucker all day and night, Hannity and Rachel Maddow, things like that.

00:39:43.000 Right.

00:39:44.000 But if you look at what YouTube has even said to CNN, they prop up authoritative sources.

00:39:50.000 Yes.

00:39:50.000 If you search for a news story, guess who you're going to get?

00:39:53.000 If you Google search Tara Reade Joe Biden, you're going to get CNN. Do you think that they're doing that though because they're trying to get rid of conspiracy theories?

00:40:02.000 Yes.

00:40:03.000 That's the principal reason.

00:40:04.000 Yeah.

00:40:05.000 They're trying to get – like I understand what they're saying in terms of – So like the CEO of YouTube, when she said that they're going to go with the World Health Organization.

00:40:14.000 I don't think it's a good idea to go with the World Health Organization, because it seems like it's a very corrupt organization.

00:40:19.000 But I do understand this desire to go towards respected and established medical professionals.

00:40:25.000 I agree.

00:40:26.000 So if respected and established medical professionals have a protocol for dealing with coronavirus problems, We should listen to them.

00:40:33.000 Yeah, absolutely. 0.81

00:40:34.000 And there's a lot of wacky fucks online that are trying to say that it's not a real virus and that it's 5G. All that kind of stuff is dangerous. 0.96

00:40:43.000 You know what they told me?

00:40:45.000 Don't you think?

00:40:45.000 Absolutely, absolutely.

00:40:47.000 But they told me...

00:40:48.000 They published editorial guidelines.

00:40:50.000 Very early on, I did a video about this, January 23rd, when they first started locking down.

00:40:55.000 I did a segment talking about what's going on, and I actually didn't think it was a big deal.

00:40:58.000 This was before anybody was really covering it.

00:41:00.000 I mean, this is, you know, impeachment was happening.

00:41:02.000 And YouTube fully monetized it.

00:41:05.000 So I have a thing on YouTube called self-certification.

00:41:08.000 I don't know.

00:41:28.000 And it wasn't until about a couple weeks ago they overturned these derankings on my channel.

00:41:33.000 They told me before they published the guidelines, you cannot say these things.

00:41:38.000 One of which was that it may have emerged from a biolab.

00:41:42.000 Now we have on April, I think it was the 16th, a former Clinton administration NSC staffer saying that Occam's Razor suggests the most likely place that this came from was breaking out of a Wuhan biolab.

00:41:56.000 There was a story by Brett Baer over at Fox News where he said, according to sources he has who have overseen the documents, We're good to go.

00:42:24.000 They say, you can't talk about this, Tim.

00:42:25.000 CNN can.

00:42:26.000 They're authoritative.

00:42:27.000 You can't.

00:42:27.000 Even if I use them as a source.

00:42:29.000 Even if I say, like...

00:42:31.000 So what I try to do is, you know, weigh the sources.

00:42:35.000 How good are they?

00:42:36.000 Brett Baer, that's a good source.

00:42:39.000 I mean, Brett Baer is one of the last true news people.

00:42:41.000 I'm not somebody who follows him too much, but he's a straight news guy.

00:42:46.000 He put his name on this, and that says a lot to me.

00:42:48.000 You don't got to like the guy, you don't got to like Fox News, but CNN also ran the story saying U.S. intelligence now believes, or I'm sorry, they're investigating whether this claim has merit.

00:42:57.000 We also had a story from The Washington Post that asked the same question, even got a professor from Rutgers University to say it's very possible.

00:43:05.000 The story actually emerged because at South China University in Beijing released a paper saying that somebody was doing experiments on bats with coronavirus and one of the bats spilled blood on him and peed on him and he had to self-quarantine for 14 days.

00:43:20.000 Being that the Wuhan CDC, I think it's the CDC, is about 300 meters away from the food market, it seems like that was a likely scenario.

00:43:29.000 They eventually retracted that paper. 0.99

00:43:30.000 It's a fucking movie scene. 1.00

00:43:32.000 Totally. 1.00

00:43:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:43:33.000 So look, it's not me saying it.

00:43:35.000 I understand what you're saying.

00:43:37.000 But I get knocked down for this.

00:43:39.000 I'm not allowed to talk about it.

00:43:40.000 I understand.

00:43:41.000 But I think in their defense, some of this has to be that they're managing at scale.

00:43:46.000 I agree.

00:43:47.000 Some of this has to be the fact Millions of videos are uploaded every day, and they have to keep this disinformation from spreading out of control. 0.97

00:43:54.000 When you have all these fucking nutjobs, they're saying, this is 5G, it's not even a virus, it's radiation sickness. 0.97

00:44:00.000 Someone sent me, a guy that I really like, sent me this video of this doctor that seems like he's got schizophrenia or something. 1.00

00:44:06.000 He's talking about, this is a plasma disease caused by radiation, and I'm like, oh fucking Christ, do you imagine? 0.96

00:44:12.000 I've gotten so many people hitting me up. 0.94

00:44:14.000 Tim, you gotta talk about 5G. Oh, God damn it. 0.99

00:44:17.000 Do you know how many people hit me up when 4G came out? 0.99

00:44:19.000 Listen, 5G is a thing, right?

00:44:23.000 It's a new bandwidth for cell phones.

00:44:26.000 It's going to be really fast.

00:44:29.000 It's going to be in your phone.

00:44:31.000 So the question is, like, okay, all this stuff's flying through the air.

00:44:34.000 There's all these signals through the air.

00:44:36.000 What effect do they have on the human body?

00:44:38.000 That's a good question.

00:44:39.000 That's a good question. 0.99

00:44:40.000 But to say that that's responsible for this coronavirus thing is fucking crazy. 0.99

00:44:44.000 Totally. 0.98

00:44:45.000 If you're saying they don't have any effect and here's why, I go, okay, this is why you don't need to be worried about UHF or whatever different waves that are flying around through the air, Wi-Fi and People are worried about all that kind of shit.

00:45:01.000 They're really concerned that this does have some sort of effect on human beings.

00:45:05.000 They think that, in fact, cell phone signals have an effect on bees.

00:45:08.000 And that was one of the primary theories about the drop in bee populations.

00:45:12.000 Yeah, colony collapse.

00:45:13.000 Yeah, these cell phone signals are interfering with these bees' ability to communicate. 0.99

00:45:17.000 But to say that it's the fucking coronavirus, like Jesus Christ. 0.98

00:45:22.000 And then someone had a meme, Lil Duvall had a meme that he put up on his Instagram and I retweeted it. 1.00

00:45:27.000 5G's only in five countries, you fucks. 1.00

00:45:29.000 This goddamn shit is spread across the whole world and you really think it's 5G? It's... 1.00

00:45:34.000 I believe YouTube has to step in and they have to do something when shit like that is so egregious and so preposterous. 0.98

00:45:40.000 So the question is, where do they draw that line? 0.96

00:45:43.000 It would be nice if they could watch all your videos and say, oh, well, Tim Pool is a really reasonable guy.

00:45:47.000 They do.

00:45:48.000 Okay, but do they?

00:45:49.000 Do they really?

00:45:50.000 Yeah, they do.

00:45:51.000 Do they really?

00:45:51.000 You have a guy who's doing that.

00:45:53.000 I do, yes.

00:45:53.000 Who is 100% dedicated to watching everything you do.

00:45:56.000 You put out a lot of fucking content. 1.00

00:45:57.000 I do. 1.00

00:45:58.000 How much content do you put out every day?

00:46:00.000 If you had a guess.

00:46:01.000 On average.

00:46:02.000 Right now, as of the past few months, up to about 3 hours and 40 minutes per day.

00:46:07.000 So you've got a guy that's dedicated at YouTube.

00:46:09.000 His job is, what do you do?

00:46:10.000 I'm the Tim Pool guy.

00:46:12.000 So first, probably not like that specific, but I do have a partner manager.

00:46:18.000 I do have every single video I put out on my – my main channel is reviewed, 100 percent of them.

00:46:26.000 They just recently introduced my other two channels.

00:46:30.000 So I have a total of three channels under my name where I put out around 10 to 12 separate videos per day for a total of about three hours and 40 minutes.

00:46:39.000 They do.

00:46:41.000 So if I upload a video.

00:46:44.000 It gets reviewed.

00:46:45.000 So I first self-certify.

00:46:47.000 I say, this video has no swearing.

00:46:48.000 It has no extreme imagery or anything like that.

00:46:51.000 If someone watches it and demonetizes it, I then contact Google and they reverse it for me.

00:46:56.000 So I actually have someone who fixes this.

00:46:59.000 If there's an issue.

00:47:01.000 They watch every episode.

00:47:03.000 They watch every episode.

00:47:04.000 Every episode.

00:47:04.000 That's bonkers.

00:47:05.000 So you've got a guy who that's their job.

00:47:07.000 I don't think it's necessarily one person.

00:47:09.000 It's a team of freaks.

00:47:10.000 My understanding is it is California-based.

00:47:13.000 And so here's what I – look, I think YouTube is a very, very awesome thing.

00:47:18.000 I wouldn't have a show.

00:47:19.000 I'd be working – I was working for a Disney company and I did not like it.

00:47:22.000 And I was able to leave and start my own business and I'm rather successful with it.

00:47:26.000 And it's because of YouTube and it's because they view me as trustworthy.

00:47:29.000 They – I've known them for a long time.

00:47:32.000 They've worked with me.

00:47:32.000 It's not perfect.

00:47:34.000 The challenge is fundamental human rights and the collapse of the media industry.

00:47:39.000 When we have news outlets that – so I'll give you an example.

00:47:43.000 You posted this on Instagram that people were – calls for poison and disinfectant ingestion had gone up after Trump's comments, right?

00:47:51.000 That's not true.

00:47:53.000 It's fake news.

00:47:54.000 I fell for it too.

00:47:55.000 I tweeted it out.

00:47:56.000 I tweeted the George Carlin quote. 1.00

00:48:00.000 Think about how stupid the average person is and realize half of them are stupider than that. 1.00

00:48:04.000 Sure enough, it turns out they faked the story. 1.00

00:48:07.000 The real story is that since the start of the pandemic, people have been buying more cleaner than normal.

00:48:13.000 So statistically, with more people having cleaner, they're more likely now to accidentally ingest it.

00:48:19.000 And since March, the calls have been going up.

00:48:22.000 The New York Daily News, one of the main purveyors of the story, tacked on after Donald Trump's comments.

00:48:29.000 Unrelated, unrelated, unrelated.

00:48:32.000 Dirty.

00:48:49.000 Then we're in serious trouble. 0.93

00:48:50.000 But they don't give the daily news preferential access.

00:48:52.000 They don't have a channel.

00:48:53.000 The main networks.

00:48:54.000 Do they?

00:48:55.000 I'm sure they do.

00:48:56.000 The main networks aren't that egregious, right?

00:48:58.000 Here's one that really grossed me out.

00:49:00.000 One of the reporters at CNN tweeted that Elon Musk has not supplied all the ventilators that he promised.

00:49:08.000 And then Elon said, are you aware that Twitter has a search feature?

00:49:13.000 And then he starts retweeting all of these different hospitals, showing the ventilators, people thanking him.

00:49:19.000 It has a Tesla logo on it.

00:49:21.000 And...

00:49:24.000 It was the hospitals that requested them specifically.

00:49:26.000 Yes, and had specific parameters.

00:49:28.000 So you know what CNN did?

00:49:29.000 Argued semantics.

00:49:31.000 The article that was written to prove they were right was that those aren't ventilators.

00:49:37.000 Real ventilators are invasive ventilators that go in your body.

00:49:42.000 CPAP is a ventilator.

00:49:43.000 It is a ventilator, as is a BiPAP, but they're called non-invasive or non-intrusive. 0.98

00:49:47.000 That's such a fucking gross way to justify what you tweeted. 0.92

00:49:50.000 And so journalists are supposed to help you understand what's going on in the world. 0.99

00:49:55.000 Yes.

00:49:55.000 Not confuse it for the goal of making money.

00:49:58.000 Brad, that's what it is, right?

00:49:59.000 It's about clickbait.

00:50:00.000 Absolutely. 0.99

00:50:01.000 If you can clickbait the smartest man in the world fucked up and didn't give the ventilators. 0.91

00:50:07.000 You want to know what the scariest thing is? 0.62

00:50:10.000 CNN, any of these networks can make a fake story, get a million views, a day later apologize, retract, and they keep all the money they made.

00:50:19.000 They don't got to give it back.

00:50:20.000 So they're actively incentivized.

00:50:22.000 I'm not saying they're sitting there twirling a mustache being like, let's write a fake story.

00:50:25.000 But they know that if they do, they get paid.

00:50:28.000 And so what?

00:50:29.000 You know what?

00:50:29.000 The fake news gets a million hits.

00:50:31.000 The retraction gets 30K. We get paid for both.

00:50:33.000 So is this an editorial review fail where editors are not reviewing these articles that are being written by journalists?

00:50:41.000 I think they're all swimming in a toilet circling down to the drain because what happens is somebody – so I saw a story written.

00:50:48.000 I think it was an op-ed for the Washington Post or something about Trump's alligator moat.

00:50:52.000 That's fake news.

00:50:54.000 That was never real.

00:50:55.000 Alligator moat.

00:50:56.000 Right, right. 0.88

00:50:56.000 So the story from 2017 that Trump talked about putting alligators in a moat around the southern border or something was like – it's ridiculous. 0.88

00:51:04.000 But here's what happens.

00:51:06.000 You write a fake story.

00:51:07.000 They wrote that?

00:51:09.000 Yeah.

00:51:09.000 So that was his idea to do that?

00:51:12.000 It's been a while.

00:51:13.000 My understanding of the story was that a source familiar with, you know, Trump's thinking said that Trump had discussed an alligator moat.

00:51:21.000 And I'm like, even if Trump did, isn't it obvious it was a joke?

00:51:24.000 They take they run.

00:51:26.000 How many alligators would it take to guard the southern border?

00:51:29.000 2000 miles or whatever.

00:51:31.000 But now we see this pop up again.

00:51:33.000 And so I'll tell you what, man, the scariest thing is how these social networks...

00:51:38.000 They remove, like we talked about last year, they remove a certain point of view.

00:51:42.000 Like this biotech company, they default on what is authoritative and the authoritative falls in one direction almost every single time.

00:51:49.000 Falls left.

00:51:50.000 Right.

00:51:50.000 Yes.

00:51:51.000 So, you know, I can't tell you how many stories I've gone through where it's like, you know that Peter Navarro story where Trump said to the journalist, you're a nasty, nasty reporter and everything. 0.95

00:52:00.000 Yes. 0.77

00:52:01.000 What you don't see was the full context.

00:52:03.000 Where the guy kept goading Trump for like 10, 15 minutes and then finally Trump snaps at him. 0.99

00:52:08.000 And they take that one soundbite and say, look at Trump just being a dick. 0.99

00:52:11.000 It's like, well, yes, Trump's got no filter and he gets mad. 0.99

00:52:14.000 But they cut out the entire exchange where this dude was poking and prodding and like really just insulting the guy.

00:52:20.000 So this guy, Peter Navarro, he's saying things like, why are you trying to give people hope?

00:52:25.000 Don't you think that offering up false hope is wrong?

00:52:27.000 And Trump's like, no, I don't think so.

00:52:28.000 I think this was in chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine.

00:52:31.000 So you get a guy that keeps goading him and arguing with him.

00:52:35.000 And that's the point I was making earlier.

00:52:37.000 These people for CNN and whatever network have realized, hey, we're going to get ratings.

00:52:41.000 But let me tell you this. 0.99

00:52:42.000 First of all, that way of communicating is fucking terrible. 0.98

00:52:46.000 It's second only to the terribleness that in those late night news shows where they have... 0.97

00:52:52.000 Three different people with the screen separated into three chunks, and this person on the right is arguing with this person on the left, and the moderator is trying to keep everybody in order, and everyone's talking over everybody, and everyone's looking for a sound bite, and everyone's looking to get their shots in before the buzzer, because there's like a bell coming when the commercial runs.

00:53:10.000 It is the dumbest way to really explore a complicated idea. 0.99

00:53:14.000 And second only to that, Is these fucking things where the president stands at the podium and people yell things out. 1.00

00:53:22.000 Someone called it the Kung Flu. 0.99

00:53:24.000 Yeah, I know.

00:53:25.000 Someone called it the Kung Flu.

00:53:27.000 Do you not denounce that?

00:53:28.000 This racist word, Kung Flu?

00:53:31.000 And Trump said, who said it?

00:53:32.000 Yeah.

00:53:32.000 I don't know.

00:53:33.000 I heard.

00:53:33.000 I don't know.

00:53:34.000 You know what I loved?

00:53:35.000 When one of the journalists asked Trump about the price of oil.

00:53:38.000 He goes, where's it at?

00:53:39.000 And the guy says, oh, I don't know.

00:53:40.000 But no, no, no, no.

00:53:41.000 Where's the price of oil?

00:53:42.000 The reporter says, I don't know.

00:53:43.000 Then why are you asking?

00:53:44.000 Next question.

00:53:45.000 Yeah.

00:53:46.000 These people, they don't know what they're – look, I've sat in these rooms at press conferences.

00:53:51.000 I have stood in front of public officials as they prepared an announcement and I know exactly – I've talked to these producers.

00:53:57.000 I've talked to the journalists.

00:53:58.000 They're like, ask a question.

00:54:00.000 What should I ask?

00:54:01.000 Just ask anything.

00:54:02.000 So they've – I've been thrown in front of people, like ask them something.

00:54:06.000 I'm like, what am I supposed to ask them?

00:54:07.000 Ask them anything.

00:54:08.000 Make something up.

00:54:09.000 Because they want you to get that screen time so they can say it's theirs.

00:54:13.000 Well, it's also someone like Jim Acosta, for example.

00:54:16.000 Don't you think there's an inclination when someone gets a certain amount of attention to lean towards that attention?

00:54:23.000 Absolutely.

00:54:24.000 This is your base now.

00:54:25.000 These are the people that are supporting you.

00:54:26.000 And you find it with like online commentators and Where – what's really weird is when like a person used to be left and then you see them getting a little bit of love from the right and they start kind of like inching over there in their comments and they get more and more attention and then they just jump ship.

00:54:44.000 And the inverse.

00:54:45.000 Yes.

00:54:45.000 Like people who were leaning towards more right-wing talking points got attacked for it and then immediately came out in support of certain politicians – Yes.

00:54:54.000 Yes.

00:54:54.000 You see people leaning towards what gets them the most amount of love.

00:54:59.000 And for Jim Acosta, it seems like he gets a lot of love for attacking this guy because he's talking for them, for the people at home. 1.00

00:55:08.000 I wish I could ask the president, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

00:55:11.000 Get him, Jim! 1.00

00:55:12.000 This is the...

00:55:15.000 Man, it's scary when I go on Reddit, for instance, and they've basically purged 90% of any pro-Trump point of view.

00:55:23.000 Really?

00:55:23.000 It's gone, man.

00:55:24.000 I pull up Reddit and what do I get?

00:55:27.000 It's all lefty commentary.

00:55:29.000 If you go to like r slash politics, which has I think five to six million subs, they use left-wing activist websites as news sources.

00:55:36.000 So it's not a place for real political discussion.

00:55:39.000 It's a place to get your biases confirmed.

00:55:41.000 The same is true for the Donald Trump subreddit, which has been basically purged.

00:55:45.000 Well, they used to have a real subreddit called TheDonald.

00:55:49.000 And it's gone now?

00:55:50.000 Yeah, they killed it. 0.91

00:55:51.000 They killed it because they thought that it was filled with trolls, right? 0.98

00:55:53.000 They killed it because they claimed the Trump supporters were threatening cops. 0.91

00:55:58.000 I'm not joking.

00:55:59.000 That's the story.

00:56:01.000 Doesn't that sound a little strange to you?

00:56:02.000 That Trump supporters would be anti-cop to me?

00:56:05.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:56:06.000 Not only that, it doesn't make any sense that you would use that as an example for a necessary move to ban the entire subreddit.

00:56:16.000 It seems like...

00:56:16.000 Well, so it's not banned.

00:56:17.000 What is it?

00:56:18.000 It was quarantined.

00:56:19.000 Quarantined.

00:56:20.000 So you can no longer search for it.

00:56:22.000 The only way to access it is to be subscribed until I give your email.

00:56:27.000 They've since abandoned that and created a new website, thedonald.win.

00:56:31.000 You go there, you're going to hear only good things about the president.

00:56:33.000 And while there are certainly things you will – like any rational person would disagree with, I think a healthy discourse tries – you want to see the counterpoints.

00:56:42.000 You want to see the positive points. 1.00

00:56:43.000 You want to better understand is there a real reason why Donald Trump did something or is he just an idiot? 0.99

00:56:48.000 And if you're only getting one side of it, your view of the world is just totally … Trevor Burrus Well, Reddit used to be like the Wild West, right? 0.99

00:56:56.000 It was pretty wild until like 2016. It was very little moderating.

00:56:59.000 Reddit is so incredibly easy to manipulate and control, ridiculously easy that I remember – man, what year it was?

00:57:07.000 Maybe 2015. Political operatives were seeking ways to prop up politicians manipulating Reddit's algorithms because users have direct control of it.

00:57:17.000 I'll just tell you, it's ridiculously easy to do, like insanely easy.

00:57:20.000 They've since made it more difficult, but one person with 10 cell phones and you could own the front page of Reddit very, very easily.

00:57:28.000 That's crazy.

00:57:29.000 Since then, we've seen accusations of – and I think it's fair to say in my experience, I know that this tends to exist – Sock puppetry, when someone runs multiple accounts pretending to be different people to create the perception of consensus.

00:57:44.000 Yes.

00:57:45.000 And that's what they do.

00:57:46.000 That's really, really common.

00:57:48.000 Super common.

00:57:49.000 I know a guy who was a moderator at Reddit and told me this one account had nine different people or one person had nine different accounts they were using to attack this guy.

00:58:01.000 And you can – so the way Reddit works for those that don't know is you upvote and downvote something.

00:58:07.000 If it has more upvotes, it moves up.

00:58:09.000 If it has more downvotes, it slowly disappears.

00:58:11.000 So if you create a bunch of different accounts using proxy servers or other IP manipulation, you can make sure your post is always in front.

00:58:19.000 Now, was there a concern that the Donald Reddit site was being manipulated, that they were basically just using it?

00:58:27.000 Early on, yeah.

00:58:28.000 So the Donald post would frequently hit the front page of all.

00:58:32.000 So if you go to Reddit and you want to see every subreddit, the Donald is always on top.

00:58:37.000 Because it was so active.

00:58:39.000 It depends on who you ask, right?

00:58:41.000 Or because people were manipulating it, one or the other.

00:58:44.000 There's a good argument for both.

00:58:45.000 I don't have the evidence to give you a definitive answer.

00:58:48.000 I think it's fair to say that Trump supporters will smash the upvote button and make sure those posts always fly to the top because they're very enthusiastic.

00:58:55.000 Very enthusiastic.

00:58:56.000 It's also possible that somebody had a bot, you know, botnet that was, you know...

00:59:00.000 They could do that too, right?

00:59:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:59:02.000 But one of the things that the Donald got in trouble for, I think, was they would do what's called a sticky post.

00:59:07.000 So that means if you went there, one post was always on top of their page so the supporters knew to upvote it, guaranteeing it would get a lot of traction.

00:59:17.000 But we actually saw – this is the craziest thing.

00:59:19.000 The CEO of Reddit manipulated in the database someone's comment.

00:59:25.000 Who was a Trump supporter.

00:59:26.000 Could you imagine?

00:59:28.000 The CEO did this.

00:59:30.000 They edited it?

00:59:30.000 He went into the database, the hard database for someone's comment, and changed what they said.

00:59:35.000 What?

00:59:36.000 Yeah, and he apologized for it, saying, I got angry. 0.69

00:59:39.000 Someone called him a pedo.

00:59:40.000 So he was like, oh yeah, and he went in. 0.66

00:59:42.000 Oh, that's right.

00:59:44.000 I remember this. 1.00

00:59:45.000 He actually edited the words to make that person look like a piece of shit. 1.00

00:59:49.000 Like anti-Trump or something. 1.00

00:59:51.000 Yes.

00:59:52.000 So I'll tell you what, man.

00:59:53.000 Look, there's a lot of arguments you can make about policy and the right way to solve these problems.

00:59:59.000 But I go on the front – I open Reddit and I'm browsing through it and I see these comments from people that clearly do not understand what's going on with these protests, that people want the economy to reopen.

01:00:09.000 And I try and talk to my friends about it and it seems like they're trapped because I think – it's like you were mentioning how people drift towards what gets them the most love.

01:00:16.000 Yeah.

01:00:17.000 But now, it's not just famous people.

01:00:19.000 It's not just people on social media.

01:00:20.000 It's everybody who does that.

01:00:21.000 And they don't want that worldview broken.

01:00:23.000 Well, they also don't want to lose the respect of their friends who are also subscribing to that same ideology.

01:00:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:32.000 That's a big part of it, man.

01:00:33.000 It's team politics.

01:00:34.000 Over here in California, if you're not left-wing, if you don't just instantaneously, when there's an issue, instantaneously side with the left, you get chastised.

01:00:48.000 You get called a racist or you get called a Nazi or you get called a...

01:00:52.000 A Trump supporter.

01:00:53.000 You can't even have a rational perspective on things.

01:00:55.000 You can't say something like, in hindsight, it was a good idea that Donald Trump closed off travel from China because it was coming from there. 0.99

01:01:05.000 And a lot of people were calling him racist.

01:01:06.000 It turned out to be a good move.

01:01:08.000 And then they've shut it down from a lot of different places as well.

01:01:11.000 You can't say that.

01:01:12.000 So, yeah, right.

01:01:14.000 So the first thing Trump does is the task force.

01:01:17.000 Two days later, the travel ban.

01:01:19.000 Joe Biden says the last thing we need is Trump's xenophobia.

01:01:22.000 Then on March, I think, 12th, Trump suspends travel from Europe.

01:01:26.000 Joe Biden says a travel ban won't stop this.

01:01:28.000 April 3rd, Biden says actually Trump was right about that.

01:01:31.000 Now Joe Biden's launching ads saying Trump didn't go far enough.

01:01:34.000 Now Nancy Pelosi is saying Trump should have banned Americans from coming back in. 0.50

01:01:38.000 Did you ever see that video where Nancy Pelosi is talking about telling people to go to Chinatown in February?

01:01:42.000 Oh yeah, of course. 0.99

01:01:42.000 That video is fucking insane. 0.99

01:01:44.000 And when they confront her on it, on Fox News, I think it was Chris Wallace on Fox News was talking to her about it. 0.99

01:01:49.000 She's saying, well, the record will show that I was saying, don't be rude to Chinese people.

01:01:54.000 Now, you were down there encouraging it.

01:01:55.000 Yes.

01:01:56.000 The record will show. 0.82

01:01:57.000 She's such an ineffective speaker. 1.00

01:01:59.000 It's so bizarre that she got to a position of power because she's so disingenuous and so fake in the way she communicates, especially on those shows. 0.98

01:02:08.000 Maybe she's just old. 0.98

01:02:09.000 Maybe she was better before.

01:02:10.000 I don't know.

01:02:11.000 Maybe, right?

01:02:12.000 That's the Biden question.

01:02:13.000 Oh, man.

01:02:14.000 Yeah, the Biden question.

01:02:15.000 That dude's not even here anymore.

01:02:17.000 It's so weird.

01:02:18.000 It's so weird that they're pretending that it's okay, that this is going to be fine.

01:02:22.000 But the way they're defending him over these allegations is this the creepiest thing ever.

01:02:26.000 Or ignoring the allegations entirely.

01:02:28.000 You see Alyssa Milano?

01:02:29.000 Yes.

01:02:30.000 What is this?

01:02:31.000 She said he deserves due process.

01:02:33.000 But what about all the other times?

01:02:35.000 What about all the other people?

01:02:37.000 This is it.

01:02:37.000 It's, you know...

01:02:40.000 I can't predict what's going to happen.

01:02:41.000 There's a lot of things that are changing right now that's going to affect whether or not Trump wins, the Republicans win or lose.

01:02:47.000 But what about this weird thing that he wants to do where he wants to insist on a woman of color as a vice presidential nominee?

01:02:55.000 Biden wants to?

01:02:56.000 I think he said – I'm not sure if he said woman of color.

01:02:58.000 I think he said he's guaranteeing it's going to be a woman and he's looking at a woman of color.

01:03:02.000 I'm not entirely sure. 0.70

01:03:03.000 To me, that's absurd.

01:03:06.000 I mean if you've got a good candidate, I think – I don't care what they look like, what their skin color is, their race, gender.

01:03:13.000 I know a lot of people on the left view that as like short-sighted.

01:03:17.000 Because – and I think there's decent reasons to talk about how identity plays into how you view the world and the policies you want to implement.

01:03:25.000 I just think it's dangerous to create that kind of – Yeah, we're not talking about prom queen.

01:03:30.000 We're talking about someone who actually has a real important job.

01:03:33.000 You shouldn't pick them based on what part of the world their ancestors are from or what gender they are. 0.99

01:03:39.000 That's ridiculous.

01:03:39.000 I would actually say on a scale of 1 to 100, that's not near like the top 50. Yeah.

01:03:45.000 But I think it is fair to say that there's a real reason why that would play a factor, play a role.

01:03:49.000 Like you've got a lot of people who have never experienced certain things and that includes the left and one of the big problems we have in politics is what we see coming from the left is really based on urban living and from conservatives on more likely to be rural living.

01:04:04.000 So when you see people on the left argue for like rent strikes and things like that, well, yeah, you're in cities where you're predominantly renters.

01:04:12.000 So that's your big issue.

01:04:13.000 It doesn't resonate the same with people who live in areas where they primarily own their homes or if you're talking about the Second Amendment.

01:04:18.000 Like obviously people in cities, they tend to be liberal.

01:04:21.000 They want gun control.

01:04:22.000 Yeah, because you've got a very, very dense population.

01:04:25.000 Gun accidents probably are an issue and you've got cops within a minute's notice.

01:04:29.000 You live in a rural area.

01:04:30.000 The cops are 40 minutes away.

01:04:31.000 You need to protect yourself.

01:04:32.000 So this divide creates a difficulty in creating policy for the entirety of the country.

01:04:37.000 That's a good point.

01:04:38.000 I personally would never place someone's like racial identity or gender in the top priorities.

01:04:45.000 But I do think it is fair to point out that, you know, a black woman is going to understand things about life in the black community that a white man is not going to.

01:04:54.000 That doesn't mean you give him a job because of it.

01:04:57.000 You can point out the perspectives will be different.

01:04:59.000 I agree with both those things.

01:05:00.000 That's a good point too in terms of the overall country is so enormous and it's so different and varied.

01:05:07.000 Like to find some common ground amongst everyone is so incredibly difficult.

01:05:13.000 So it's a contest of who's got the bigger bucket, the bigger electoral bucket.

01:05:18.000 Yeah, that's a good way of putting it, too.

01:05:20.000 Yeah, it seems like, but either way, there's so many people that are just going to vote left to get Trump out of office.

01:05:27.000 They don't care. 0.91

01:05:27.000 You're going to elect a guy with dementia. 0.91

01:05:29.000 You got to pull up this article.

01:05:31.000 Stay alive, Joe Biden, by The Atlantic.

01:05:33.000 No.

01:05:34.000 I'm not kidding.

01:05:35.000 When did they put this in?

01:05:36.000 Oh man, it was a couple weeks ago maybe.

01:05:37.000 It's called Stay Alive Joe Biden.

01:05:40.000 And then she says something like, all we need is your corporeal form.

01:05:43.000 And it's amazing.

01:05:45.000 That's so crazy.

01:05:46.000 It's not only arguing that we just need Joe Biden's body, but it actually kind of argues he's a bad candidate.

01:05:52.000 And it's like, it doesn't matter though, because we just don't like Trump.

01:05:55.000 Well, they're right about that.

01:05:57.000 He's a bad candidate.

01:05:58.000 Biden?

01:05:59.000 Yeah.

01:05:59.000 They could have done so much better with Buttigieg, with Klobuchar.

01:06:04.000 They're terrified of Tulsi Gabbard.

01:06:06.000 They're terrified of Bernie Sanders.

01:06:08.000 And Andrew Yang I think probably freaks him out a little bit too.

01:06:11.000 I'm a big fan of Tulsi and followed by Yang.

01:06:16.000 And a lot of people didn't like that because I rag on Democrats all the time.

01:06:21.000 It's like more – I'll fully admit it.

01:06:23.000 You can criticize me all day and night.

01:06:24.000 I very much see Pelosi and Schiff, Nadler and like the problems we have with them.

01:06:29.000 And I'm not a fan of their policies.

01:06:30.000 I think they go – they either do nothing.

01:06:33.000 But within that, I saw Andrew Yang and his website.

01:06:37.000 The list of things he's gone through, what he's thought about was insane.

01:06:41.000 I mean the dude had a policy for everything.

01:06:43.000 He's a brilliant guy.

01:06:44.000 Absolutely.

01:06:45.000 And he's also not a politician.

01:06:46.000 So his approach is going to be from a guy who's an entrepreneur.

01:06:50.000 Right.

01:06:51.000 A guy who looks at it in terms of problems to fix.

01:06:54.000 You can argue there's a similar thing there with Trump being a businessman, but Yang's list, his comprehensive list of policy positions was, to me, I was like, I like it, I do.

01:07:04.000 He's not that guy.

01:07:05.000 The thing about Trump is a giant personality, whereas Yang is a really reasonable person.

01:07:10.000 Yeah.

01:07:11.000 For me, Tulsi's anti-war stance was paramount.

01:07:14.000 I think the US has wasted too much money.

01:07:17.000 We've got people arguing for, you know, fix the pipes in Flint.

01:07:20.000 And I'm like, right on.

01:07:21.000 Let's stop building weapons and doing deployments and trying to control these foreign countries and start working within America. 0.53

01:07:27.000 And I think that there's a reason why a lot of moderates and conservatives like Tulsi and it's that it's kind of America first, right?

01:07:34.000 Yeah.

01:07:35.000 Why are we applying so much of our resources and time and energy to these foreign countries?

01:07:38.000 We shouldn't be doing that.

01:07:39.000 Well, also, she's earned that perspective with two tours of duty overseas.

01:07:43.000 She served in the armed forces.

01:07:46.000 She's been a congresswoman for six years. 0.95

01:07:48.000 She understands a lot about how this works.

01:07:51.000 I disagree with her on some of her domestic policy issues, nuclear energy and … What is her stance on nuclear energy?

01:08:00.000 She opposes it.

01:08:00.000 Well, I don't want to speak for her because I'm trying to be very careful, but negative view on nuclear energy.

01:08:06.000 Yeah, nuclear energy is different than Three Mile Island or Fukushima.

01:08:10.000 We need to understand that … When you're looking at some of these issues that they have with Fukushima in particular, which is kind of an antiquated system that they had set up that they can't really shut off, which I had a whole bit about how crazy that is.

01:08:22.000 When you're talking about the nuclear power that they could implement today, it would be a very different system.

01:08:30.000 That would be fairly clean.

01:08:32.000 Extremely high return on energy investment and zero emissions.

01:08:36.000 But there's a fear because of the past. 0.98

01:08:38.000 Just put it somewhere that sucks. 0.99

01:08:41.000 Just put it somewhere that sucks. 1.00

01:08:42.000 Put a big one somewhere that sucks and juice up the whole country with it. 0.99

01:08:45.000 You know, when it came to Yang, I felt like here we had a guy who – I'm not a big fan of UBI. It's a weird one, right? 0.81

01:08:53.000 I think the way he put it spoke more to me than the way anyone else ever framed it.

01:08:57.000 And I actually felt like he shouldn't have called it universal basic income.

01:09:01.000 Well, didn't he call it the freedom dividend?

01:09:03.000 Right.

01:09:03.000 Yeah.

01:09:04.000 But it became UBI to so many people.

01:09:06.000 That's how they went with it.

01:09:07.000 Yeah.

01:09:07.000 When you see Amazon, Google and these big companies becoming just insane behemoths that can't – they can't be broken up.

01:09:15.000 They just absorb and absorb and absorb.

01:09:17.000 Then there's an argument for some kind of dividend to the American people for potentially what they do outside of the United States.

01:09:23.000 It's – Very complicated economics.

01:09:26.000 I guess I'm not smart enough to pretend like I know anything about.

01:09:29.000 But you look at – he brought the example of Alaska.

01:09:32.000 They have the oil drilling.

01:09:33.000 The people who live in Alaska get a portion of that revenue and those profits.

01:09:36.000 That makes sense.

01:09:38.000 UBI, the way it's framed in general, makes very little sense and eventually – I think we're actually seeing now with the government stimulus – One of the biggest pitfalls to it.

01:09:47.000 Do you hear there's a story they ran an NBC, a woman, her employees were like in revolt because she acquired a loan from the Paycheck Protection Program that insured their jobs, meaning they would receive less money because under the CARES Act, they would have received a bonus of $600 per week on top of the salary they'd normally get. 1.00

01:10:07.000 They actually preferred to have lost their jobs.

01:10:09.000 So you have people who are complaining that they're keeping their jobs now.

01:10:13.000 So that's one instance though.

01:10:15.000 There's a couple stories like that.

01:10:17.000 But the challenge with just giving people cash is the assumption that the cash has inherent value when the value of it is based upon what you can get for it.

01:10:28.000 So one of the lessons I think we learned now with the economy being shut down is – Doctors and nurses got to work.

01:10:35.000 We need them on the front line.

01:10:37.000 They're also getting paid.

01:10:38.000 What do they use that money for?

01:10:40.000 Pay their rent, buy food, things like that.

01:10:42.000 We're facing food shortages.

01:10:44.000 If you can't buy anything with the money, what's the point to taking the money?

01:10:48.000 I mean like if you were given the choice, you're going to work.

01:10:51.000 You're going to go work your job at a grocery store.

01:10:53.000 You're an essential worker.

01:10:54.000 We're going to pay you $400.

01:10:55.000 Your buddy?

01:10:56.000 Let me stop you right there. 0.98

01:10:57.000 Because the universal basic income was not designed to deal with the pandemic.

01:11:01.000 It was designed to deal with automation, which would have not stopped the supply chain, which wouldn't have created food shortages.

01:11:08.000 This is sort of a unique situation.

01:11:09.000 So you're comparing apples to oranges.

01:11:11.000 You're applying universal basic income to our current situation, which has nothing to do with the reason why he wanted to implement it in the first place.

01:11:18.000 He's worried that automation is going to take away jobs.

01:11:21.000 He's right.

01:11:21.000 It will.

01:11:22.000 It probably will.

01:11:22.000 Now consider this problem, though.

01:11:24.000 There will always be some kind of essential work, right?

01:11:26.000 Yes.

01:11:27.000 What do you tell the essential worker when other people are getting money and don't work that you have no choice because you're essential?

01:11:33.000 Even in an automation system.

01:11:35.000 So let's say every job but grocery...

01:11:37.000 But hold on a second.

01:11:38.000 They're only getting a small amount of money to stay alive.

01:11:41.000 You would rather have a good job where you're getting paid well and have benefits and all that other stuff.

01:11:46.000 I think that's an assumption.

01:11:47.000 It is an assumption.

01:11:48.000 I think mine is too.

01:11:49.000 But the problem with universal basic income, the real problem is a psychology issue.

01:11:53.000 The real problem is the way human beings work.

01:11:55.000 We need incentives.

01:11:57.000 People don't just want to survive and get a little check from the government.

01:12:00.000 People will be despondent.

01:12:02.000 You don't want to create any United States of welfare, like an all-encompassing thing where some, you know, these...

01:12:12.000 Programs that are in place that automate all of the goods and services, they take some of that money and give it back to the people because no one can work.

01:12:20.000 That's a depressing, dystopian future.

01:12:24.000 I mean, that's a terrible place to live.

01:12:26.000 You ever watch Battlestar Galactica?

01:12:28.000 Yes, loved it.

01:12:29.000 You ever see Snowpiercer?

01:12:31.000 You're talking about the new Battlestar Galactica?

01:12:33.000 Yeah, the new one.

01:12:34.000 What was Snowpiercer?

01:12:35.000 Which one was that?

01:12:35.000 That's where Chris Evans is on a train that travels around the world because the world is frozen.

01:12:39.000 And only that train has...

01:12:41.000 It's kind of a weird premise.

01:12:43.000 This is an episode of Battlestar Galactica?

01:12:45.000 No, no, no.

01:12:45.000 It's a movie.

01:12:46.000 I'm just bringing up two different bits of fiction to make a point.

01:12:49.000 Oh, yeah.

01:12:50.000 It's a futuristic movie.

01:12:52.000 It's real weird.

01:12:52.000 Who else is in it?

01:12:53.000 Chris Evans is Captain America, right?

01:12:56.000 Yeah.

01:12:56.000 I did see that.

01:12:57.000 It's real weird.

01:12:58.000 Yeah, it's kind of cool.

01:13:00.000 It's kind of weird.

01:13:00.000 So they take kids from the back, from the poor cart, and have them work internally in the engine because they have to move things around because parts are missing.

01:13:09.000 If they don't, everyone, all human life dies.

01:13:12.000 So they literally go in the back and they take children away from their families who scream and reject this.

01:13:17.000 In Battlestar, they had children who were also taken for a similar reason to work.

01:13:21.000 You had people who had no choice but to work on the fuel processing ship.

01:13:25.000 Otherwise, all of humanity would be wiped out.

01:13:27.000 I've often thought about – I'm a huge fan of Star Trek The Next Generation.

01:13:30.000 How do we get to a post-capitalism world where we still have incentives but we're post-scarcity?

01:13:36.000 The problem is as we're in transition, there will be jobs that are essential, which means one of the glimpses we get – I understand a pandemic is different.

01:13:45.000 But we still see a glimpse of people who have to work kind of low-skill, boring, tedious jobs like at a grocery store.

01:13:51.000 We're good to go.

01:14:14.000 They're barely doing that, though.

01:14:16.000 It's not that this is effective.

01:14:17.000 I'm just saying that as we move towards automation, there will still be jobs that are essential.

01:14:23.000 What do we do?

01:14:24.000 How do we incentivize and compensate, make that worth the people who have no choice but to keep working while the rest of us don't?

01:14:30.000 I don't know if it's a keep working while the rest of us don't issue.

01:14:34.000 I think it's a problem of jobs being phased out.

01:14:36.000 I think the real problem is automation is going to phase out jobs.

01:14:40.000 It's not going to be about what's essential and what's not essential.

01:14:42.000 I think you're sort of applying pandemic vernacular.

01:14:45.000 Well, let's remove the pandemic from it.

01:14:48.000 And let's say, you know, right now, one of the things I looked at, and we talked about this a little bit before, I met a homeless guy in Chicago, and he worked at a job that became obsolete.

01:14:56.000 I'll step back and build it.

01:14:57.000 I asked a homeless guy how he became homeless when I was like 19. And he told me that he had a job.

01:15:04.000 He worked there for 20, 30 years.

01:15:06.000 As he got older, his family moved away.

01:15:09.000 He lost contact.

01:15:09.000 These are different times.

01:15:10.000 Some friends and family had died.

01:15:12.000 When his company became obsolete, technology didn't matter anymore.

01:15:15.000 He was cast out.

01:15:16.000 He had nowhere to work anymore and his expertise was very specific.

01:15:20.000 So he got a severance package.

01:15:21.000 That ran out.

01:15:22.000 He got unemployment.

01:15:23.000 That ran out.

01:15:23.000 He got kicked out.

01:15:24.000 Now he's homeless.

01:15:25.000 I look at that and I say, how do we make sure that doesn't happen?

01:15:28.000 This guy should not be punished simply because times have changed.

01:15:31.000 But if you scale that up and say it keeps happening in every different sector, eventually you'll end up with 90% of the population saying my needs will be taken care of and 10% saying I still have to work, whatever the industry may be.

01:15:45.000 That's a transitional period.

01:15:46.000 It's going to be very difficult.

01:15:47.000 We automate most jobs except for some.

01:15:49.000 Some people will still have to work.

01:15:51.000 Does anybody really think we're going to automate most jobs, though?

01:15:53.000 I mean, there's so many jobs that can't be automated.

01:15:57.000 I don't think that's going to be the...

01:15:59.000 I mean, you're talking about some weird sort of futuristic version.

01:16:03.000 Star Trek.

01:16:03.000 Yeah.

01:16:03.000 I don't think that's what we need to be concerned with.

01:16:06.000 I think...

01:16:07.000 I think the idea of universal basic income is wonderful.

01:16:10.000 The idea that your needs are taken care of in terms of food and housing, and then everything else you've got to do on your own.

01:16:17.000 If we're looking at...

01:16:19.000 When we look at struggle, right?

01:16:21.000 We look at struggle across the board.

01:16:23.000 Can't feed yourself.

01:16:24.000 Can't put a roof over your head.

01:16:25.000 What if...

01:16:27.000 This is what was attractive, but universal basic income to me. 0.88

01:16:30.000 What if we all agreed that some semblance of dignity is a part of being an American, and then we will provide you with food, we will provide you with housing, everything else you have to fucking earn?

01:16:43.000 And that's interesting. 0.96

01:16:46.000 That's interesting.

01:16:47.000 I like that.

01:16:48.000 I like it.

01:16:48.000 But I don't know...

01:16:51.000 People don't work well when they don't have to.

01:16:55.000 Exactly.

01:16:55.000 When people don't have an incentive, and the competition is important.

01:16:59.000 And when you look at people that are anti-capitalist, they're really into socialism, one of the things you find is a lot of rich kids It's weird, right? 0.93

01:17:07.000 It's fucking real weird.

01:17:09.000 It's because they don't understand real struggle because they've grown up without it and they have these ideals like they feel guilty because they've grown up without struggle and they want to help the world and they think capitalism is evil and I never saw my dad. 0.97

01:17:21.000 So we need to get all these rich people and they need to give that money to all these poor people and we need to balance out income.

01:17:28.000 You know what else they notice?

01:17:29.000 The people around them were all white. 0.93

01:17:33.000 The people that are into socialism?

01:17:34.000 The people that are into socialism tend to be upper class, upper middle class, white.

01:17:38.000 Obviously we're generalizing in a big way here.

01:17:40.000 Right, right, right.

01:17:41.000 A lot of them.

01:17:41.000 But there's some studies, some research that came out that finds the overwhelming majority of socialists in the United States, they came from upper middle class to upper class families that tended to be white.

01:17:52.000 Yeah, and those are the ones that focus so hard on these social justice warrior issues.

01:17:57.000 You take a person who's been surrounded by rich white people.

01:17:59.000 Yes.

01:18:00.000 It probably got a reason to not like them, but then they assume all white people are the same, and you end up seeing this racialization of politics.

01:18:07.000 Also, they find themselves in a position of affluence that they didn't earn.

01:18:11.000 They want to burn it all to the ground.

01:18:13.000 Yep.

01:18:13.000 It's...

01:18:14.000 And they assume – I think there's some truth in that.

01:18:20.000 There's people who have money they didn't earn and there are leeches on the system.

01:18:23.000 They make money from money.

01:18:24.000 They've never done anything in their lives. 0.99

01:18:25.000 They're arrogant. 0.90

01:18:26.000 Sure. 0.98

01:18:26.000 There's a lot of people like that. 0.98

01:18:27.000 Right.

01:18:27.000 But when you then take that generalization and apply it to anyone who has money or everyone and you take it to a dark place.

01:18:34.000 Exactly.

01:18:35.000 When I first started – You know, entering the public space in terms of news and politics, I was at Occupy Wall Street.

01:18:41.000 And before I had any notoriety, I was being...

01:18:46.000 It's heralded.

01:18:47.000 They called me a good example of what's wrong with the system.

01:18:49.000 Here's Tim Pool, a high school dropout, mixed race guy, and here he is just sleeping in a dirt park using his phone to tell the real stories of the world.

01:18:56.000 After I got featured in Time Magazine, what did they say?

01:18:58.000 Tim Pool is white and he was born with a silver spoon, which is not true.

01:19:01.000 It's absolutely not true.

01:19:03.000 But the socialist types, the activists, couldn't accept that I had jumped the class system, I guess.

01:19:09.000 Their view of the world is rigid, that the rich people keep the poor down.

01:19:12.000 There's no chance for upward mobility, and that's not the case.

01:19:14.000 You know, you absolutely can become successful from, you know, humble means.

01:19:18.000 One of my favorite AOC quotes was her talking about, it's literally impossible to pull yourself up by your bootstraps when she used to be a waitress, and now she's a congresswoman. 1.00

01:19:27.000 Like, you can't...

01:19:29.000 Look, it's not impossible, but it's not even.

01:19:32.000 That's what we need to address.

01:19:34.000 It's not even.

01:19:35.000 The reality is, some people have a far easier path.

01:19:38.000 Absolutely.

01:19:38.000 And some people have a far more difficult path.

01:19:42.000 But you have to deal with the hand you're given.

01:19:45.000 If life is a game, and I'm not saying it's a game, it is life, but it's similar to a game in that you're dealt a set of cards.

01:19:53.000 You're dealt a set of circumstances.

01:19:55.000 And yes, some people just get four aces from birth. 0.98

01:19:59.000 Your dad's a multi-billionaire and your whole family's always been rich and you never have to worry about a goddamn thing for the rest of your life. 0.96

01:20:06.000 But guess what? 1.00

01:20:06.000 Those people turn out to be fucking miserable and crazy. 1.00

01:20:09.000 There's some benefit in being born with a shitty hand of cards. 1.00

01:20:14.000 Absolutely. 0.98

01:20:14.000 There really is. 0.98

01:20:15.000 A motivational benefit for sure.

01:20:17.000 Gumption.

01:20:18.000 You know, there's a TED Talk.

01:20:20.000 There's one trait, one personality trait that guarantees success.

01:20:25.000 It's not intelligence.

01:20:26.000 It's not class.

01:20:27.000 It's not race.

01:20:28.000 Not gender.

01:20:28.000 You know what it is?

01:20:29.000 What?

01:20:29.000 Perseverance.

01:20:30.000 That's it.

01:20:31.000 I believe that.

01:20:32.000 There's a TED Talk on it.

01:20:32.000 It's interesting.

01:20:34.000 And it's true. 0.56

01:20:36.000 Now, I think there's always going to be certain limits based on your ability.

01:20:39.000 Like, I'm never going to play in the NBA. I'm not tall enough.

01:20:41.000 I'm nowhere near as fast or can jump high enough.

01:20:43.000 Actually, that's not true.

01:20:44.000 I can jump pretty high on a skateboard.

01:20:45.000 But you take people...

01:20:49.000 Who don't have top-tier intelligence, not the strongest, but if they work hard enough, they can find their apex.

01:20:56.000 They can find that point where they are successful and they can make it.

01:20:59.000 It's not true for everybody.

01:21:00.000 Some people are below that threshold.

01:21:04.000 No matter how hard they try, they're going to need help.

01:21:06.000 Well, I think that the problem is with any sort of generalization.

01:21:09.000 You know, perseverance is the most important thing.

01:21:11.000 Yes, sure.

01:21:11.000 But you also have to be intelligent.

01:21:13.000 You can't be doing the same thing over and over again.

01:21:15.000 No, I'm not going to quit.

01:21:16.000 No, you have to be able to figure out what you're doing wrong as well as have perseverance.

01:21:21.000 Perseverance is a necessary part of the equation, but there's many pieces to that equation.

01:21:26.000 But define success in that regard, right?

01:21:29.000 If success is...

01:21:30.000 Well, it depends on the field that you're choosing.

01:21:32.000 Right.

01:21:32.000 If you're not smart enough to be an astrophysicist, you shouldn't be an astrophysicist.

01:21:37.000 Right.

01:21:38.000 If you're not tall enough to play in the NBA, you probably can't play in the NBA. That's not necessarily true, though.

01:21:41.000 Muggsy Bowes, that dude was amazing.

01:21:42.000 He was amazing.

01:21:43.000 He was 5'7".

01:21:44.000 Was he?

01:21:44.000 Yeah.

01:21:45.000 He could 360 dunk.

01:21:46.000 He was amazing.

01:21:46.000 Was he 5'5"?

01:21:47.000 5'3".

01:21:48.000 5'3".

01:21:49.000 Oh, Spud Webb.

01:21:50.000 That's right.

01:21:51.000 Wow.

01:21:51.000 Even shorter than I thought.

01:21:52.000 Yeah.

01:21:53.000 Yeah, you can do it.

01:21:54.000 Yeah.

01:21:54.000 That's amazing.

01:21:55.000 It's very rare.

01:21:56.000 Right.

01:21:56.000 We talk about two guys, right?

01:21:58.000 Exactly, exactly.

01:21:59.000 I like that.

01:22:00.000 Yeah.

01:22:00.000 I think...

01:22:02.000 The average person has the potential and the capabilities of being successful, wealthy, if they want, famous.

01:22:10.000 I think one of the challenges we have in our culture is how we're raising kids and what the values we're giving them.

01:22:16.000 Well, it's also what are you trying to do?

01:22:19.000 Look, there's a bunch of different things that you just don't have.

01:22:24.000 Some people can't sing. 1.00

01:22:26.000 They don't have any fucking talent. 1.00

01:22:27.000 They just don't have it. 1.00

01:22:28.000 Their voice sounds like shit. 1.00

01:22:30.000 But guess who else's voice sounded like shit? 1.00

01:22:32.000 Bob Dylan. 1.00

01:22:33.000 Terrible voice.

01:22:34.000 Yeah.

01:22:34.000 How does it feel?

01:22:36.000 I mean, come on, man.

01:22:37.000 People love it because there's, like, authenticity and passion and there's something to it.

01:22:42.000 Right.

01:22:42.000 But he found out a way to make it work.

01:22:44.000 He wouldn't win American Idol. 1.00

01:22:45.000 Fuck no. 0.99

01:22:46.000 One of the greatest musicians ever lived. 1.00

01:22:48.000 Imagine him going, like, someone saying, what do you want to do, man?

01:22:51.000 I want to be a singer-songwriter.

01:22:53.000 Okay.

01:22:54.000 Just without any music, without any interest in it, sing me a song.

01:22:58.000 Yeah.

01:22:59.000 Probably, probably.

01:23:00.000 Well, you know, there are a lot of people, especially in the internet day and age, that you would not expect to have made it.

01:23:07.000 Who made it?

01:23:07.000 Yes.

01:23:08.000 Well, you know, there's a lot.

01:23:10.000 Yeah.

01:23:10.000 I mean, and then there's rules today that I don't think really hold true.

01:23:14.000 You know, people say, oh, you know, you have to be good looking.

01:23:17.000 You have to be thin.

01:23:19.000 Well, Adele's not thin.

01:23:20.000 She is now.

01:23:21.000 She's thin now.

01:23:22.000 People are mad at her for being thin.

01:23:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:23:24.000 But she just was talented, just had a powerful voice.

01:23:28.000 Or that woman, Susan, what was her name, that was on America's Got Talent?

01:23:33.000 I don't know.

01:23:34.000 No, it wasn't America's Got Talent.

01:23:35.000 X Factor.

01:23:36.000 X Factor, Susan Boyle. 1.00

01:23:37.000 Look, you fucking wizard over here. 1.00

01:23:39.000 Susan Boyle. 1.00

01:23:40.000 She looked like someone's Grammy, right?

01:23:42.000 But she belted out this song that made Simon Cowell almost cry.

01:23:46.000 Wow. 0.99

01:23:47.000 Because she was just fucking talented. 1.00

01:23:48.000 Just really good. 0.99

01:23:50.000 You can find a thing. 0.99

01:23:51.000 But if you're Susan Boyle and you want to be a comedian, maybe her jokes are fucking terrible. 0.98

01:23:56.000 Maybe she would show up at open mic night at Sunday night at the Comedy Store over and over again and keep bombing. 0.97

01:24:01.000 And then, you know, she never would have made it.

01:24:03.000 Yeah, can't learn.

01:24:04.000 Some people just...

01:24:05.000 That's it.

01:24:05.000 I think if you can learn.

01:24:08.000 Right.

01:24:08.000 If you can...

01:24:08.000 You know, one of the problems, though, is people refuse to accept when they're wrong.

01:24:11.000 Right.

01:24:12.000 They be self-critical.

01:24:13.000 Yeah.

01:24:14.000 They're not...

01:24:16.000 They don't have an analytical perspective in terms of their own issues.

01:24:20.000 They can't analyze themselves and see the flaws and be objective and introspective.

01:24:24.000 Some people just don't have that because they've been protecting themselves.

01:24:28.000 They have these sort of personality traits that protect themselves from self-deprecation, from understanding where they're flawed.

01:24:35.000 When I was a teenager, I remember reading that Michael Jordan would watch tapes of himself playing to figure out what he did wrong.

01:24:41.000 I don't know if that's true, but to me that was like...

01:24:45.000 Yes.

01:25:02.000 Sparring sessions it was critical because you could see how you were telegraphing something and then you got countered you could see how and sometimes you don't think you're doing it then you realize like oh my god I'm dropping my hand every time I do this and then you get caught.

01:25:14.000 Crazy.

01:25:14.000 Yeah, that's with everything though.

01:25:16.000 It's like poker.

01:25:17.000 Yeah.

01:25:17.000 Yeah, giving your towels away.

01:25:19.000 Man, that's nuts.

01:25:20.000 But I think most things you'd be better off seeing.

01:25:23.000 Like with comedy, it's massive.

01:25:26.000 It's gigantic.

01:25:26.000 Being able to visually see yourself is like primary.

01:25:31.000 That's number one.

01:25:32.000 A little bit less good is listening to yourself.

01:25:36.000 And at a certain point in time in your career, you can get away with just listening.

01:25:40.000 But there's a big difference between people who monitor their stuff and go over it and analyze it versus people who don't.

01:25:49.000 It's accelerated learning.

01:25:51.000 It's like taking advantage of all the tools that you're given.

01:25:55.000 And you can apply that To anything that you're trying to do good in life. 0.99

01:25:59.000 If you have the time and the energy, like if you're doing a job and during this job, you know, you just show up at work and you try to do your best, then you go home and you fuck off and you do your stuff. 0.96

01:26:09.000 You'll get better at whatever you do. 0.91

01:26:11.000 Exactly.

01:26:12.000 But if you go and do your job and then afterwards analyze what you did, pay attention to it, write things down, make a diary perhaps, or review your work, you'll get better faster.

01:26:27.000 It's a matter of how much time, as long as you don't burn out.

01:26:30.000 I don't take days off.

01:26:32.000 Ever.

01:26:32.000 Yeah, that's weird.

01:26:33.000 I took a day off yesterday, had some bad sushi.

01:26:36.000 Here's a lesson, everybody.

01:26:38.000 If...

01:26:39.000 I don't want to be mean to the sushi people.

01:26:41.000 They're really nice to me.

01:26:43.000 Maybe lay off sushi if they've been closed for a month because of the pandemic.

01:26:47.000 Well, you're driving from the other side of the country.

01:26:50.000 Text me, dude.

01:26:50.000 I'll tell you the places.

01:26:52.000 I go to like four places out here for sushi.

01:26:55.000 And everywhere else, I'm like, ooh, I don't know.

01:26:58.000 Well, so here's what I wanted to say, right?

01:26:59.000 I don't take a day off and a lot of people say I'm crazy and I've actually – my Monday through Friday is now double shifts every day.

01:27:05.000 Then Saturday and Sunday are single shifts in terms of production.

01:27:07.000 So I do Monday through Friday three hours and 40 minutes about – Saturday and Sunday is about an hour and 40 minutes.

01:27:13.000 And what would I do if I wasn't working?

01:27:15.000 I'd be playing video games.

01:27:17.000 But listen to the numbers you just said.

01:27:19.000 Yeah.

01:27:19.000 Three hours and 40 Monday through Friday.

01:27:21.000 Yeah.

01:27:21.000 And then an hour and a half per weekend day.

01:27:24.000 Yeah.

01:27:24.000 That's still not a full day's work.

01:27:26.000 That's still not a full week's work to the average person.

01:27:29.000 An hour and a half of recording is like 10 hours of research.

01:27:32.000 Oh, okay.

01:27:33.000 So you're working more than that.

01:27:35.000 So I'm doing constant research in between, fact-checking, and then once I get everything in line and I think I'm confident on what I have, and of course I'm not perfect, then I record for about 20 minutes.

01:27:46.000 Then I get back to researching, reading.

01:27:49.000 Here's another benefit, though.

01:27:50.000 You work for yourself.

01:27:52.000 Absolutely. 0.99

01:27:52.000 You don't have some dickhead over your shoulder telling you what to do. 0.99

01:27:54.000 I chose this, though. 0.98

01:27:56.000 So there's a couple of things.

01:27:58.000 When you're brought up, you get good at whatever it is you do.

01:28:01.000 I tell my friends, every second you spend doing something is an investment into being better at that.

01:28:06.000 So if you want to come home from work and play video games all day, you'll be really good at video games, man.

01:28:11.000 Maybe you start a stream, your Twitch channel.

01:28:12.000 Maybe you can make some money being a good personality, but you got to earn it.

01:28:16.000 Or maybe there's something you want to do that instead of playing video games, you do that instead.

01:28:20.000 For me, when I'm not working, I'm just sitting around like, why am I not working?

01:28:24.000 What am I doing?

01:28:25.000 I ended up taking yesterday off.

01:28:29.000 I didn't work today because we're doing the show.

01:28:31.000 And so I'm sitting around watching TV shows like this is awful.

01:28:34.000 I can't stand it.

01:28:35.000 I got to read the news, man.

01:28:36.000 I got to be into it.

01:28:37.000 Well, you're driven.

01:28:39.000 But also, you're enjoying it. 0.99

01:28:41.000 That's the difference between someone who's working in a fucking coal mine or someone who's working in a field all day picking strawberries, but they hate the job. 0.98

01:28:50.000 I hear you, but you know how many people have hit me up? 0.99

01:28:53.000 You probably get something similar, like, how do I do what you do?

01:28:57.000 When I was working for Vice and I was traveling around the world, 10, 20 emails every week from young people saying, I really want to do what you do.

01:29:04.000 And you know what they would say to me when I would tell them how to do it?

01:29:06.000 They would say, I will never do that.

01:29:08.000 I would tell them, here's what you do.

01:29:10.000 Do you have any money saved up?

01:29:12.000 No?

01:29:12.000 Okay.

01:29:13.000 Where do you work?

01:29:14.000 You don't work.

01:29:14.000 Get a job, Starbucks, McDonald's, whatever you can get.

01:29:17.000 Maybe you can do better than that.

01:29:18.000 Save your money.

01:29:20.000 Once you've saved enough, find a store you want, fly there, cover it.

01:29:24.000 You know what they would say?

01:29:25.000 No.

01:29:26.000 I had one – there's one person who said to me, I want to travel around the world and do what you do.

01:29:30.000 How do I do it?

01:29:30.000 I said, do you have money saved up?

01:29:31.000 Yes.

01:29:32.000 Excellent.

01:29:33.000 There's a story right now going on in Turkey.

01:29:35.000 All right?

01:29:36.000 You got to be secure.

01:29:37.000 You got to be safe.

01:29:38.000 But it's fairly okay.

01:29:40.000 Fly there right now.

01:29:41.000 Film it.

01:29:42.000 And I'll see if I can make any connections on what you find.

01:29:44.000 They said, well, the money I saved is for my apartment in Brooklyn.

01:29:48.000 And I'm like, right, what's more important to you, having your nice Williamsburg apartment or being a journalist traveling around the world?

01:29:53.000 Well, I like my apartment.

01:29:55.000 I'm like, okay, listen, when I worked for Vice, I was sleeping on a couch.

01:29:59.000 Every dime they paid me, I put in the bank, I didn't touch it.

01:30:02.000 I got a job working for a Disney – an ABC News joint venture company after that.

01:30:06.000 They paid me a bunch of money.

01:30:07.000 I put 70 percent in the bank.

01:30:09.000 I didn't touch it.

01:30:10.000 When I left, I went to a bunch of these New York digital companies.

01:30:14.000 I'll spare them their names for any embarrassment, many of them who have become rather worthless.

01:30:18.000 They still exist, and they're big.

01:30:20.000 And I decided after seeing what they had to offer, the bias, the deception, the clickbait-driven nature of it, I'm going to do it myself.

01:30:28.000 And because I saved my money every step of the way, I was able to do so.

01:30:31.000 So then I had an apartment.

01:30:32.000 Then I could pay for my plane ticket to Sweden, to France, to Germany, to do these stories and started building up a base.

01:30:39.000 Within about seven or eight months, I had gone from red to black.

01:30:43.000 So now all of a sudden I was no longer losing money.

01:30:46.000 I was making money.

01:30:47.000 And I'm like, there it is.

01:30:48.000 A couple of years on, ridiculously successful.

01:30:53.000 For myself, I guess, it's relative, but I've got several employees launching new companies.

01:30:58.000 One of the companies shattered a fundraising record of a million bucks in a single day.

01:31:03.000 So that's – look, the path for me isn't the path for everybody, but sacrifice.

01:31:09.000 Well, you're basically saying exactly what they're saying in the TED Talk, perseverance.

01:31:13.000 And you embrace the grind.

01:31:16.000 But it's also, what do you really prioritize?

01:31:18.000 Yeah.

01:31:19.000 For me?

01:31:19.000 What are you trying to do?

01:31:20.000 I don't care about having an apartment.

01:31:22.000 I want to see what was going on on the ground in Istanbul.

01:31:25.000 So you know what?

01:31:25.000 It's also like, who is the type of person that would chase down the stories?

01:31:30.000 The type of person that's really going to chase down the stories is a person that is driven to chase down stories. 1.00

01:31:34.000 What you're getting is questions from idiots. 0.99

01:31:37.000 You're getting questions from people that are like, how do I do it? 1.00

01:31:39.000 Exactly.

01:31:39.000 And then when you offer the answer, I'm not going to do that.

01:31:42.000 Right.

01:31:44.000 There's a conversation I had with Ari Shafir where he and Robert Kelly, apparently they thought about sponsoring a comic who's up and coming, taking care of their financial needs for like a year, and trying to see how far they could get in their career if they didn't have to deal with money.

01:32:03.000 And I said, that's the problem is, the type of person who's going to make it is going to make it not just in spite of the fact that they don't have any money, but because of the fact they don't have any money. 0.96

01:32:13.000 Those day jobs, those sucky jobs that you need to have when you're struggling, those They fucking motivate you. 0.69

01:32:21.000 They're important. 0.95

01:32:22.000 If somebody just comes along and gives you all the money you need for food, you're gonna half-ass it, and some hungry guy on the other side of town is gonna take all the gigs that you would get.

01:32:31.000 They're gonna write better jokes.

01:32:32.000 They're gonna be more motivated to go to open mics.

01:32:35.000 They're gonna pound the pavement harder.

01:32:36.000 Well, I got a story for you.

01:32:38.000 I'll try to get the details right.

01:32:39.000 It's my buddy's company, so forgive me if I'm getting the details wrong, but he had a social media management company.

01:32:46.000 He started it himself.

01:32:47.000 He knew everything about social media, Instagram and all that, and he started building up a client base where I'm going to run your social media for you.

01:32:53.000 Worked like a charm.

01:32:54.000 Started making a ton of money, getting new contracts, these companies didn't know what they were doing.

01:32:56.000 He got to a point where he had to hire people.

01:32:58.000 He ended up hiring a couple of college grads, and he put up the ad saying, you know, college degree required.

01:33:04.000 They couldn't figure anything out.

01:33:05.000 They kept calling him, having problems, couldn't manage anything, so he fires them.

01:33:09.000 Rehires again, more college grads, same problem.

01:33:12.000 Eventually has to fire him.

01:33:13.000 Then he hires because he's running out of money.

01:33:15.000 He hires to high school.

01:33:17.000 I think they were high school dropouts.

01:33:18.000 And he was like, they wanted substantially less money.

01:33:21.000 And at this point, I just couldn't find good people.

01:33:23.000 They worked swimmingly.

01:33:25.000 It was amazing.

01:33:26.000 No phone calls, no problems.

01:33:27.000 These were people who had worked hard, saved up money in their small bumpkin hometown, moved to Los Angeles to make it big. 0.92

01:33:34.000 They knew what they wanted.

01:33:35.000 They knew what they had to do.

01:33:37.000 And they said, I will find a way to do it.

01:33:39.000 He said the other people that were hiring were just like drones.

01:33:41.000 They just wanted a job.

01:33:42.000 They didn't know or care what they were doing.

01:33:44.000 They didn't bother, so they didn't want to learn.

01:33:45.000 But these people who were driven viewed this as just another problem to be solved on my path to success.

01:33:51.000 Yeah, that's the mindset and that's the difference.

01:33:55.000 The mindset of success is the mindset of I will figure it out.

01:33:59.000 So I think the problem is how we're raising people in this country.

01:34:02.000 We're raising them to, in certain areas, to expect things to be given to you.

01:34:07.000 You get a participation trophy no matter what you do.

01:34:09.000 Congratulations.

01:34:10.000 Well, this is the problem with socialism and this is the problem with universal basic income, what we're talking about.

01:34:13.000 Yeah.

01:34:14.000 Yeah.

01:34:15.000 Expecting something from the government, particularly without any financial feasibility.

01:34:20.000 There's no real logic to where that money comes from.

01:34:22.000 Like, show me your work.

01:34:24.000 What the money is.

01:34:25.000 Right.

01:34:25.000 What is money?

01:34:26.000 You know, so one of the arguments I keep seeing from a lot of people who have more—I don't even want to call them socialists.

01:34:31.000 I think they're just regular urban dwelling, like, liberal left-type people.

01:34:35.000 There's one viral post on Reddit that said you've got these conservatives or you've got these people out protesting so they can enrich their landlords and these billionaires when they should be demanding that rent be waived, that mortgages and evictions be canceled and that the government take care of their needs and provide them with stimulus or something like that.

01:34:55.000 And I look at that like you're very clearly living in a city.

01:34:59.000 But what they don't understand is they say things like landlord isn't a job.

01:35:02.000 Like I'll argue that there's a lot of very successful landlords who make a ton of money and do very little. 1.00

01:35:07.000 But it's a fucking job. 0.99

01:35:09.000 Right. 1.00

01:35:10.000 It's so stupid to say it's not a job. 1.00

01:35:11.000 It's not just that. 1.00

01:35:12.000 It's the money you pay in rent can't just be wiped out because there's groundskeepers.

01:35:16.000 There's maintenance.

01:35:17.000 There's administrative assistance.

01:35:19.000 There's taxes that be filed.

01:35:20.000 Rent doesn't just go into their pocket so they can buy a boat.

01:35:23.000 But they view it this way and they think that money is what you want.

01:35:28.000 When they say these people who want the government to be reopened are simply trying to enrich the wealthy, it's like I think maybe they make things and they want to keep making things.

01:35:37.000 You mean the economy, not the government?

01:35:39.000 The economy, yeah.

01:35:40.000 I keep mixing that up.

01:35:42.000 But there are a lot of people that don't seem to understand.

01:35:45.000 I think it's because when you live in a city, everything's already there for you.

01:35:50.000 When I lived in New York, the Williamsburg Bridge, boom, there it is.

01:35:53.000 I didn't see it built.

01:35:54.000 I didn't pay a dime for it.

01:35:55.000 And I can just use it.

01:35:56.000 I can cross over.

01:35:57.000 It's just there.

01:35:59.000 And I've never had to, you know, you never had to fight for it.

01:36:01.000 So you just say, why can't I just have it?

01:36:03.000 You see, you walk in any store and there's food.

01:36:05.000 Hey, there's food.

01:36:06.000 Easy.

01:36:06.000 What they don't see is the supply chain, where the food is made, the work that goes into it.

01:36:10.000 So they assume that money guarantees access to it, which it doesn't.

01:36:13.000 If the economy is shut down, the money can't buy you things.

01:36:17.000 The value of that money starts going down.

01:36:19.000 If the farms can't sell any of this to anybody and start dumping and I think it's called fallowing fields, no longer farming.

01:36:25.000 Then there's nothing to buy.

01:36:27.000 So if products aren't being made and services aren't being rendered because the economy is closed, what is your money going to get you?

01:36:33.000 At a certain point when the economy is shut down for too long and we're seeing all of these businesses close, family businesses.

01:36:39.000 I heard a story, terrible tragedy.

01:36:41.000 Somebody killed themselves because their family business of 70 years was shut down.

01:36:45.000 That product is gone.

01:36:47.000 So eventually there's no food to buy.

01:36:49.000 And only then will people realize the government stimulus money has no inherent value.

01:36:52.000 It's the work we do for each other.

01:36:55.000 That's the argument being left out when you get a biased view on social media or when these people don't quite understand.

01:37:01.000 That's the problem.

01:37:02.000 There's a lot of noise.

01:37:03.000 People that don't quite understand.

01:37:04.000 People that aren't a part of the supply chain that really don't know what it's like to...

01:37:08.000 Like the people that raise food.

01:37:09.000 They're freaking out right now.

01:37:11.000 The people that raise cattle and the people that grow food and the fact that they have to deal with being shut down.

01:37:18.000 And trying to figure out how to restart things and when is it going to be okay to restart things?

01:37:23.000 And what if it happens again?

01:37:24.000 If there's another flare-up two months from now?

01:37:27.000 I mean, they're hurting right now and they might take years to recover from these past couple months.

01:37:31.000 Well, there was, I think, some health official in California saying they might not be able to fully reopen until there's a vaccine, which could take 18 months.

01:37:40.000 Fully reopened what?

01:37:42.000 Like to go back to normal, right?

01:37:44.000 So I think there was an MIT Technology Review article talking about how we may have to do intermittent lockdowns, you know, like two months lockdown, one month off.

01:37:53.000 Jesus Christ.

01:37:54.000 Until the vaccine is available.

01:37:56.000 Then there was another study came out saying something similar.

01:37:58.000 What about herd immunity?

01:37:59.000 I mean, Sweden, they think they're on target for the end of May to have herd immunity, which is like 60%, I think.

01:38:07.000 Yeah.

01:38:08.000 The information keeps changing.

01:38:10.000 We're learning more.

01:38:11.000 So maybe these statements are, at this point, I don't know, obsolete.

01:38:15.000 Yeah.

01:38:15.000 Sweden's a weird place, too, because it consists mostly of little villages.

01:38:20.000 Sweden?

01:38:21.000 Yeah.

01:38:21.000 I mean, they have their big cities.

01:38:22.000 Well, you have Stockholm, but primarily the population is sort of...

01:38:28.000 It's separated by these smaller towns.

01:38:34.000 You all right over there?

01:38:36.000 I just inhaled water.

01:38:37.000 If you hadn't already been tested for the COVID, would you be really worried about you right now?

01:38:41.000 People are weird about coughs now.

01:38:43.000 You notice that?

01:38:43.000 Oh, yeah, totally.

01:38:44.000 Oh, I inhaled water.

01:38:45.000 Yeah.

01:38:46.000 Coughs are nerve-wracking for folks.

01:38:48.000 Oh, that's brutal.

01:38:51.000 Yeah, you gave me this bottle of water and I inhaled it.

01:38:53.000 I think it just messed me up.

01:38:54.000 Are you okay?

01:38:55.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:38:56.000 Just give me it.

01:38:57.000 Yeah, relax.

01:38:59.000 Calm down.

01:39:00.000 Just breathe.

01:39:01.000 Whisper.

01:39:01.000 Calm down.

01:39:02.000 No, it's okay.

01:39:03.000 I got to...

01:39:03.000 Joe gave me the test.

01:39:05.000 No COVID-19.

01:39:07.000 Yeah, your voice sounds terrible.

01:39:08.000 Right now.

01:39:09.000 I just inhaled water.

01:39:10.000 How did you inhale it?

01:39:11.000 I don't know.

01:39:12.000 I was trying to drink it and I inhaled it.

01:39:14.000 That happens.

01:39:15.000 Now I sound weird, right?

01:39:16.000 Yeah, you sound like a different person.

01:39:18.000 The Illuminati is going to think you're going to replace me with somebody else.

01:39:21.000 Yeah, you're too controversial. 1.00

01:39:22.000 All that shit you were saying is too riling people up. 1.00

01:39:26.000 Alright, I think I'm better. 1.00

01:39:27.000 I won't inhale the water.

01:39:28.000 Oh, that still feels weird.

01:39:30.000 Kyle Kalinske sent me something today.

01:39:32.000 I wanted you to see, Jamie.

01:39:34.000 It's some thing. 0.99

01:39:35.000 There's some shit going down with UFO sightings. 0.99

01:39:38.000 Oh, yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:39:39.000 I guess those videos have played before.

01:39:41.000 Yeah, but...

01:39:42.000 I don't know if they were new.

01:39:43.000 Here, I'll send it to you.

01:39:45.000 I've been following this stuff.

01:39:47.000 Yeah, it's...

01:39:48.000 Hold on a second, Jamie.

01:39:53.000 Alright, I just texted it to you.

01:39:56.000 Pentagon officially releases UFO... This is the tweet.

01:40:00.000 It says, New Pentagon formally released three mysterious UFO videos captured by Navy pilots.

01:40:05.000 The already leaked videos showed what DOD insists on calling unidentified aerial phenomenon moving at incredible speeds and performing near-impossible maneuvers.

01:40:18.000 This is a weird subject because...

01:40:21.000 It's one of those subjects where people automatically dismiss it because it's been so touted by kooks. 0.99

01:40:29.000 There's so many wacky fucks that have talked about UFOs that anybody talking about UFOs has to be out of their fucking mind. 0.97

01:40:37.000 But then when you see these videos and you see them performing these Impossible tasks like these these things are moving in a way that we've never seen anything move before flipping upside down and sideways moving at insane rates of speed Like they don't know what these are. 0.99

01:40:56.000 Yeah.

01:40:57.000 Aerial phenomena.

01:40:58.000 What's interesting though is I was reading one of these stories and They passively mentioned that the siding was near a technology and a US naval like technology station of some sort like a top-secret development That could be one of two things.

01:41:11.000 Either it's developed by the people that are at that base, or they're monitoring the people that are at that base.

01:41:17.000 These aircraft, we call them aircraft, are displaying characteristics that are not currently within the U.S. inventory, nor any foreign inventory that we are aware of. 0.99

01:41:27.000 Maybe they see this shit that's going down with China, and all the ships being moved, and like, listen, you Fuckheads. 0.99

01:41:33.000 The aliens? 1.00

01:41:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:41:34.000 Maybe they're like, listen, you fucking morons, you territorial apes. 1.00

01:41:38.000 I'd like to think that, but... 1.00

01:41:40.000 You don't think so?

01:41:41.000 Manhattan Project, man. 0.99

01:41:42.000 I mean, the U.S. has probably got some crazy motherfucking weapons. 0.96

01:41:46.000 Could be, but the Manhattan Project was also, coincidentally, right after they started detonating bombs when the aliens started showing up. 0.96

01:41:53.000 That's what they think, right?

01:41:54.000 Yeah.

01:41:54.000 Well, that was when the bulk of US sightings started jumping and worldwide, I believe, too.

01:42:00.000 You know, maybe we've slowly been getting more and more information about this.

01:42:05.000 I've been actually reading a lot of these stories over the past several months.

01:42:08.000 More admissions from government, more release of documents and more sightings.

01:42:12.000 So there's been a big...

01:42:14.000 I don't want to call it.

01:42:15.000 Well, a lot of people murmuring that April was going to be the month when we finally learned the truth.

01:42:20.000 April's almost up.

01:42:21.000 It's almost up.

01:42:22.000 It's almost up.

01:42:22.000 We got like a few days.

01:42:23.000 Nah, man.

01:42:24.000 The 27th?

01:42:25.000 How many more days is left?

01:42:26.000 Do you know about what happened?

01:42:29.000 Do you know about the O'Hare airport sighting?

01:42:31.000 Which one's that?

01:42:32.000 So this was I think in like 06 at Chicago's International O'Hare.

01:42:37.000 A UFO came down and hovered above I think – I can't remember which terminal it was.

01:42:44.000 It hovered for a few minutes I think and then shot straight – punched a hole in the clouds.

01:42:48.000 Everybody saw it happen.

01:42:50.000 Now, I had just quit working at O'Hare around this time when the sighting happened.

01:42:54.000 So I had friends who were still there.

01:42:56.000 I had a friend tell me that when this UFO came down, people on Mannheim Road, which is the road on the side of O'Hare, got out of their cars, like just stopped the light, got up, and were looking and staring at it.

01:43:07.000 And that the people who were working, where we worked, we worked for American Eagle Airlines, walked out of the rooms and were just staring at it, float, and then shoot up and punch a hole in the clouds.

01:43:16.000 And you know what they said?

01:43:18.000 Weather phenomenon.

01:43:20.000 So there's a photo of it.

01:43:21.000 A pilot took a photo of it.

01:43:22.000 This is back when, like, very early phone cameras.

01:43:25.000 It's a very grainy, awful picture.

01:43:26.000 There it is right there?

01:43:27.000 That's not it.

01:43:28.000 No, no, no.

01:43:28.000 That's super fake.

01:43:30.000 I think...

01:43:31.000 No, these are all people trying to fake.

01:43:33.000 It's really hard to find.

01:43:35.000 That one might be it, but I don't think so.

01:43:38.000 It barely looks like anything.

01:43:40.000 Chicago O'Hare UFO sighting, 2006. Is that it right there?

01:43:44.000 I do not believe those are it, no.

01:43:47.000 We'll click on that article, see what it says, Jamie.

01:43:50.000 That's just some blog.

01:43:51.000 That one might be on the left.

01:43:54.000 But so many people try exploiting this stuff for clicks and for reviews, and they make these fake photos.

01:44:00.000 Is that link not working?

01:44:01.000 It was a very, very faint photo from the cockpit.

01:44:05.000 It might be that one right there in the middle.

01:44:09.000 So on the left side?

01:44:10.000 Far left?

01:44:11.000 It might be that one.

01:44:12.000 No, that's not it.

01:44:13.000 That's not it.

01:44:14.000 Well, there was a really crappy photo of it and— That might be it.

01:44:18.000 That might be.

01:44:19.000 It was a really—it was out of the cockpit of a window.

01:44:21.000 A pilot took a photo.

01:44:22.000 And, you know, I wonder where have all the sightings gone since phones became ubiquitous?

01:44:27.000 I mean, there's a simple, you know, I guess, excuse.

01:44:32.000 The aliens, they're sentient.

01:44:33.000 They know we have phones.

01:44:34.000 They're like, okay, stop, you know, decloaking or whatever.

01:44:37.000 But I want—or I wonder if, you know, why is it there were so many UFOs and then around the time cell phone cameras come out, they're gone. 1.00

01:44:43.000 Well, I think most people are full of shit. 1.00

01:44:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:44:47.000 Yeah.

01:44:47.000 I think most people like to pretend they see things that don't really see things, but I don't think that excludes the possibility.

01:44:54.000 It's not like... 0.99

01:44:56.000 It's not like these things are mutually exclusive, like people are full of shit, therefore aliens don't exist. 1.00

01:45:02.000 I think aliens could be real and people are full of shit. 1.00

01:45:05.000 And I think that it could be, it's very rare that they visit us. 1.00

01:45:10.000 Why would they?

01:45:11.000 Well, how often do scientists go to the Congo to study chimps?

01:45:15.000 I mean, how many people do they send to the bottom of the ocean to look for new life forms?

01:45:20.000 How rare is it?

01:45:21.000 Let me trip you out on that idea.

01:45:23.000 We put decoys up for animals.

01:45:25.000 Animals can't tell the difference.

01:45:27.000 What if you've actually met a decoy person and you couldn't tell the difference?

01:45:30.000 Maybe it's you, bro.

01:45:31.000 Maybe it's me.

01:45:32.000 That's right.

01:45:32.000 That's why you're able to work so much.

01:45:34.000 Oh yeah, I'm a robot.

01:45:35.000 You don't get tired.

01:45:35.000 No.

01:45:36.000 So you're interested in news and disseminating factual evidence.

01:45:39.000 Because what we're actually doing is collecting a database for the aliens.

01:45:44.000 No, but I thought about this because I saw a photo on Reddit of a puffin, I think it's called, the bird.

01:45:49.000 And they put up a fake puffin.

01:45:51.000 And it's because, I think they're called puffins.

01:45:53.000 It's because the birds don't like, you know, nesting in places where they're alone.

01:45:57.000 And so by putting the decoy there, the other birds would start coming.

01:45:59.000 And like one bird showed up and was hanging out with the decoy.

01:46:02.000 And I'm like, could you imagine, like, you see, like, we put duck decoys in the water.

01:46:07.000 We do duck calls.

01:46:08.000 And the duck's like, ooh, hey, fly, honey.

01:46:09.000 I'm going to come over and check this out.

01:46:10.000 And it's like a wood block.

01:46:12.000 Could you imagine, like, seeing, like, a beautiful woman or someone you're attracted to and being like, ooh, look at that, and it's really like an alien decoy just to, like, probe you and, like, better understand you or something?

01:46:20.000 Well, the decoy, just the term decoy is weird because decoys are used for hunting.

01:46:26.000 Like, uh, turkeys.

01:46:27.000 It's turkey season right now.

01:46:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:46:29.000 And the way that most guys hunt for turkeys, they take a rubber turkey, you put that fucker out in the middle of the field, and then you hide behind a bush with a shotgun and go... 1.00

01:46:39.000 And then the turkeys, like, hear it, and they come over and they try to get some pussy, and then they get shot. 1.00

01:46:45.000 So what if, you know, you see some dude, or it's like, for you, it'd probably be a beautiful woman. 1.00

01:46:50.000 You want to get that pussy. 1.00

01:46:51.000 And then she's going like, hey, hey, come over here. 1.00

01:46:54.000 And you're like, oh, hey, me.

01:46:55.000 And then I get eaten.

01:46:56.000 No, no. 1.00

01:46:57.000 They just, you know, take you up in the ship, probe you, and learn about your butt. 1.00

01:47:00.000 This is the thing about putting things up your butt. 0.99

01:47:02.000 I'm just kidding, man. 0.98

01:47:03.000 Most doctors don't even do that.

01:47:04.000 Like, they have MRIs now. 1.00

01:47:06.000 Didn't aliens need to probe you in your ass? 1.00

01:47:08.000 I think it's just what everyone's afraid of. 1.00

01:47:10.000 They're afraid of things going in their ass. 0.99

01:47:11.000 So that's what they think is going to happen if the aliens get them. 1.00

01:47:14.000 They're going to freeze me and touch my ass. 1.00

01:47:16.000 Somebody told a dumb story back in the day, and it was the most sensational version. 1.00

01:47:19.000 Everybody had to have it. 0.96

01:47:20.000 So they were like, that's what they went with, you know?

01:47:22.000 Maybe.

01:47:23.000 Or maybe they do that to keep your mouth shut. 1.00

01:47:26.000 They fuck you in the ass just so you keep your mouth shut. 1.00

01:47:29.000 Or some dude actually got abducted, right? 1.00

01:47:30.000 Yeah.

01:47:31.000 And he comes back and he's like, they think they won against me.

01:47:33.000 They think they beat me. 0.99

01:47:34.000 They put stuff up my butt. 1.00

01:47:36.000 They're weirdos. 0.99

01:47:36.000 Do you ever hear the story of Betty and Barney Hill? 0.99

01:47:39.000 No.

01:47:39.000 It's the very first UFO abduction story.

01:47:42.000 It's an ancient story.

01:47:44.000 And what's crazy is, Angela Hill, who's a UFC fighter, I had her on the podcast, and after the show, she told me her grandpa was Barney Hill.

01:47:53.000 Whoa. 0.99

01:47:54.000 And I was like, holy fuck! 0.99

01:47:55.000 We didn't talk about it during the show, but she wanted to bring it up because she knows I'm kind of obsessed with UFOs, but the account that they have, they get hypnotized and he's recalling the abduction and they have the same story. 0.99

01:48:08.000 It's very terrifying.

01:48:10.000 You hear him crying and screaming and that he was taken aboard this craft and examined and brought back and they have missing time.

01:48:17.000 But here's the thing.

01:48:18.000 If they only did that occasionally, They only came down once every few years and just scoop some person up in the middle of some rural place.

01:48:26.000 Like if you're flying over, you know, I think their instance was in, I believe it was in Maine.

01:48:31.000 If you're flying over somewhere like Maine, which is a very low population state, and you see a lone car and it's just traveling along the highway and there's places in Maine where you go from like Portland to Bangor.

01:48:44.000 When you're traveling on that road, it's like 60 miles with nothing, not a gas station, nothing.

01:48:50.000 If you were an alien and you saw a car by itself, like, no other car, let's move in, we got one.

01:48:57.000 Isn't it just easier to think it's the U.S. government?

01:48:59.000 No.

01:49:00.000 Why not?

01:49:01.000 Because we don't have the capability of doing something like that.

01:49:03.000 I don't think the capability of the scientists working for the government is any different than the capability of the scientists that are working for Project X or – fill in the blanks in terms of like what Raytheon,

01:49:20.000 publicly traded companies.

01:49:23.000 Look, quadcopters don't seem all that complicated to me.

01:49:27.000 Quadcopters?

01:49:28.000 Yeah, like drones.

01:49:30.000 We've seen the little drone toys you buy, they've got four propellers.

01:49:32.000 Take that concept, use thinner jets, and surround it in a disk so that it's universally, like it can move in any direction because it's got, you know, because it's omnidirectional.

01:49:44.000 What power source?

01:49:44.000 Where's the gas tank?

01:49:46.000 Well, lithium ion battery.

01:49:48.000 Come on, man. 1.00

01:49:49.000 You're talking space shit. 1.00

01:49:51.000 Like, this hasn't even been invented yet. 0.99

01:49:53.000 Think about how little mileage you can get out of a Tesla.

01:49:56.000 You know they had...

01:49:57.000 No, no, no.

01:49:57.000 As advanced as Tesla is, still, when it's going full out, it can only go for...

01:50:02.000 I mean, you get 307 miles if you drive like a grandma, but if you drive like a maniac, you don't even get half that.

01:50:08.000 You know that they...

01:50:09.000 I could be wrong with this, but I'm pretty sure that they had this flying platform in the 70s that uses gas power.

01:50:15.000 And they've also had jetpacks for a long time.

01:50:16.000 No, they've had...

01:50:17.000 sort of.

01:50:18.000 They've had jetpacks that are capable of going for like 30 seconds.

01:50:22.000 They don't...

01:50:22.000 I've experienced these...

01:50:24.000 No, no, no.

01:50:24.000 I'm pretty sure the jetpacks back in the day went for a long time.

01:50:26.000 No.

01:50:27.000 No, they definitely didn't.

01:50:28.000 We can look it up.

01:50:28.000 Yeah, let's look it up.

01:50:29.000 Because they definitely didn't.

01:50:30.000 The whole thing was the fact they were burning gas.

01:50:33.000 And to propel you in the air, they only had a certain amount.

01:50:36.000 I thought it was like 20 minutes, 20, 30 minutes.

01:50:38.000 Maybe now.

01:50:39.000 My understanding of why we abandoned jetpack technology was that it was inefficient and heavy and you couldn't carry it without it being turned on.

01:50:46.000 So they opted for larger, like, you know, like, what are they called?

01:50:50.000 Chinooks, helicopters that can carry multiple people at once.

01:50:54.000 When you're wearing a jetpack, it has to be on idle, negating its own weight, which means it's burning as you're walking around, which means you get a good 20-minute jump and you've got to abandon the tech.

01:51:04.000 And then you don't want your enemies to get it.

01:51:06.000 Have you ever seen a guy fly a jetpack?

01:51:07.000 Yeah, there's a video on YouTube from a long time ago.

01:51:09.000 No, I mean in real life.

01:51:10.000 Oh, I've seen that one guy, the Iron Man dude.

01:51:11.000 Not in real life.

01:51:12.000 I've been there in real life.

01:51:13.000 My friend Willie B from in Denver on the radio.

01:51:16.000 He had a radio show in the morning.

01:51:18.000 I used to do his radio show.

01:51:19.000 I think he still has a radio show.

01:51:21.000 Shout out to Willie.

01:51:22.000 And he had this guy who was a jetpack pilot.

01:51:27.000 Who came in and in the parking lot of the radio studio, and fans of the radio show came and did it too, and watched it rather, and this guy flew in the air for about 15-20 seconds and then landed.

01:51:38.000 This guy was so banged up, both of his legs were blown apart.

01:51:43.000 He had big braces on both of his knees.

01:51:47.000 I'm like, what happened to your knees?

01:51:48.000 He's like, just crash landing. 0.99

01:51:49.000 Both of my knees are blown to shit. 0.99

01:51:51.000 He had no ACLs in either one of his knees. 0.99

01:51:53.000 Well, that's what I'm saying.

01:51:56.000 This is back then.

01:51:57.000 It was good for about 30 seconds.

01:51:59.000 30 seconds of flying.

01:52:01.000 Well, so the point I was trying to get to is if you take something like a quadcopter, you could absolutely fuel it with gas. 0.98

01:52:07.000 It would be loud as fuck. 0.63

01:52:08.000 But it would, depending on how you mitigate the noise. 0.99

01:52:12.000 It would be an engine.

01:52:12.000 It'd be an engine.

01:52:13.000 It'd be loud as fuck. 0.99

01:52:14.000 And you'd hear from the quadrotors. 0.98

01:52:17.000 Yeah, but what these people are describing is nothing like that.

01:52:21.000 These people are describing things that are silent, that go from zero to a thousand miles an hour in a split second.

01:52:27.000 Things that defy physics as we understand them.

01:52:30.000 This is not something that I think that the U.S. government has.

01:52:34.000 If you look at, like, Elon Musk's company, Project X, or SpaceX.

01:52:39.000 SpaceX is...

01:52:41.000 Right now, one of the premier civilian companies, private companies, that's making rocket ships. 0.99

01:52:47.000 They fuck up all the time. 0.92

01:52:49.000 They're in the middle of innovating all the time. 1.00

01:52:50.000 He's one of the smartest people on Earth.

01:52:53.000 In terms of technology, he knows as much about propulsion as anyone, and they still can't get it right.

01:52:59.000 They're still trying to figure it out.

01:53:00.000 They're trying to come up with something that could be viable in terms of commercial spaceflight, and they're working on it daily.

01:53:07.000 And these These people are the brightest minds we know of right now.

01:53:12.000 They're in this jet propulsion space travel business.

01:53:16.000 There's, you know, Virgin's working on something.

01:53:19.000 There's a couple other companies that are working on things as well.

01:53:21.000 And then you have NASA, which worked.

01:53:23.000 The best they could come up with was the space shuttle.

01:53:26.000 Right.

01:53:26.000 Do you think that there is something way better than a space shuttle that they just never used?

01:53:30.000 That they had and they kept it on the back burner, didn't want to let anybody know, but the way they would use it is they would pick people up and erase their memory and toy with their asshole? 1.00

01:53:39.000 That's crazy. 0.99

01:53:41.000 That's less likely than the hundreds of billions of galaxies.

01:53:46.000 Just in our own known universe, right?

01:53:50.000 Each one with hundreds of billions of stars. 0.99

01:53:53.000 Each star with who knows how many fucking planets. 0.98

01:53:55.000 That's somewhere out there that's something more advanced than us. 0.99

01:53:59.000 Maybe a thousand years, maybe a million years.

01:54:01.000 It's figured out how to come here.

01:54:02.000 I got the same question then.

01:54:03.000 Why hasn't anyone discovered them?

01:54:06.000 Why has SETI failed?

01:54:08.000 Search for extraterrestrial intelligence.

01:54:10.000 Why haven't the chimps invented guns? 1.00

01:54:13.000 They've started using more tools, but...

01:54:15.000 Right.

01:54:15.000 Why haven't they invented guns, though?

01:54:17.000 I don't know.

01:54:17.000 So why hasn't SETI found UFOs?

01:54:19.000 It's the same fucking answer. 0.98

01:54:20.000 They're not advanced enough yet. 1.00

01:54:21.000 It's a real simple answer. 0.95

01:54:24.000 The industrial age is pretty fucking recent. 0.91

01:54:27.000 Right. 0.74

01:54:27.000 I mean, think about when people invented cars. 0.74

01:54:29.000 You're talking about 1800. That's really recent.

01:54:32.000 And we've only used...

01:54:33.000 Plane flights.

01:54:33.000 1800s.

01:54:34.000 Like, high-power radio transmission is only in the past hundred years or so.

01:54:38.000 Right.

01:54:38.000 Well, you saw...

01:54:39.000 You ever seen the movie Contact?

01:54:41.000 Maybe.

01:54:42.000 That's an old one, right?

01:54:42.000 It's Jodie Foster and Matthew McConaughey.

01:54:45.000 It's based on Carl Sagan's book about contact with space and with aliens and how it's going to go down.

01:54:50.000 I think I did see it recently.

01:54:51.000 I can't remember.

01:54:52.000 Interesting take on it.

01:54:53.000 But the idea is that they've received the signal that we sent out way, way back in the day, actually when the...

01:55:03.000 The first broadcast signal was Hitler announcing the Olympic Games, the start of the Berlin Games.

01:55:08.000 And this was the first signal they got.

01:55:10.000 It was a really controversial moment in the movie, or controversy, you know, in the plot with that, once they were trying to decipher the image that was being sent, they realized it was Hitler. 0.99

01:55:21.000 The first thing they see is a swastika, and they're like, what the fuck is this? 0.96

01:55:24.000 They sent it back to us? 0.99

01:55:25.000 And then they had to realize, oh, no, no, no.

01:55:27.000 This is the first image that we sent out to space.

01:55:29.000 They wouldn't be able to understand the political or historical context of this.

01:55:33.000 Well, so I got a few – there's a few issues I see in terms of aliens and earth contact, right?

01:55:40.000 We are substantially more connected in an evolutionary chain to ants than we are to any alien.

01:55:47.000 So we – We can't communicate with them for the most part.

01:55:51.000 We kind of can.

01:55:51.000 We understand how they communicate.

01:55:52.000 But when an ant sees a superhighway, this is someone else's quote, they don't think twice.

01:55:58.000 So it's possible there are aliens that have superhighways right above us.

01:56:01.000 We can't tell what it is.

01:56:02.000 Same as a dog doesn't understand other than stay away from it.

01:56:05.000 But one of the issues I think is often neglected in the conversation about aliens is the – We assume aliens would be on a very similar planet to us.

01:56:46.000 I don't mean propulsion.

01:56:48.000 I mean the separation of elements.

01:57:10.000 The manipulation of elements, right?

01:57:11.000 Do you know the Bob Lazar story?

01:57:14.000 I do.

01:57:14.000 Yeah.

01:57:15.000 Well, one of the things that he talked about when he first stopped working for Area S4 and the government was tapping his phones.

01:57:24.000 There's a lot that can be documented about him.

01:57:26.000 There's a lot that can't be.

01:57:27.000 But one of the things that he talked about was a thing called Element 115. That element 115 is an insanely dense element that they use to bend gravity.

01:57:36.000 And that the way he described, the way the propulsion system works, it's like putting a bowling ball in the center of a very soft mattress.

01:57:43.000 And that all of the other mattress, all the rest of the mass, the mattress bends around the intense mass of the bowling ball.

01:57:51.000 And that this is how these incredibly advanced aliens from this other planet use. 0.80

01:57:57.000 This is their propulsion system.

01:57:59.000 That was from Star Trek.

01:58:05.000 I think the concept is based on Einstein's theory of gravity.

01:58:11.000 I mean, this is the whole idea.

01:58:12.000 If you could find something that could do that.

01:58:14.000 But here's the thing.

01:58:15.000 When Bob Lazar talked about this in the late 80s, early 90s, This element didn't exist.

01:58:21.000 Right.

01:58:22.000 Now it does.

01:58:22.000 It wasn't proven until they did it in a particle collider.

01:58:27.000 I believe it was 2013. So he was talking about this element far before it was – and he's apparently – this is the big rumor.

01:58:35.000 He apparently had taken some of that from a lab and through George Norrie – was it George Norrie?

01:58:42.000 Yes.

01:58:42.000 They did some experiments on television and showed that this stuff had made light and fog bend in a way that they couldn't describe.

01:58:53.000 Didn't he also claim to see a small alien creature on his way out?

01:58:56.000 He said he saw something that was sitting down, but he doesn't know if it was a model that they were using, like if they had created something that was supposed to be the size of a thing that could fit in these crafts, because these crafts, he said, were designed for things that were far smaller than human beings.

01:59:12.000 I'm pretty sure in the initial interview he gave when he went public was that he saw an alien and then later on changed it saying, I don't know if it was maybe a model or a puppet.

01:59:20.000 Yeah, he said he thought he saw something sitting down and two people standing over it looking at it.

01:59:25.000 He said he thought he saw an alien.

01:59:27.000 But he's probably...

01:59:29.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:59:30.000 I mean, look, he said it was literally for like a half a second.

01:59:33.000 Like he's walking by a window and he sees something inside of it. 0.98

01:59:36.000 Imagine being a guy who's in your 20s and you're a propulsions expert and it's been proven that he worked at Los Alamos labs and it's been proven that he did put a fucking jet engine... 0.66

01:59:45.000 Yeah, it's been proven that he did put a jet engine on a Honda. 0.73

01:59:49.000 I mean, he's a genius.

01:59:50.000 And then you talk to him, he's an incredibly smart guy.

01:59:53.000 Now, imagine you get sent off to Area S4, and they show you this thing that you know doesn't even exist, and they tell you about this propulsion method that they don't understand, and they say that they found this a long time ago in an archaeological dig.

02:00:07.000 And they want you to back-engineer it because you're a propulsions expert and they're running out of options.

02:00:13.000 They've been studying this for decades. 0.80

02:00:14.000 No one knows what the fuck it is or how you can make it work. 0.93

02:00:17.000 And then they do test flights with this thing. 0.99

02:00:19.000 And then he tells his friends about these test flights after he gets fired.

02:00:24.000 You know how he got fired?

02:00:25.000 Do you know the story about him getting fired?

02:00:26.000 He leaked it or something, yeah?

02:00:27.000 No. 1.00

02:00:27.000 No, his wife was fucking her flight instructor. 1.00

02:00:30.000 And so when his wife is fucking her flight instructor, they told him he couldn't work anymore. 1.00

02:00:34.000 And he's like, why not? 0.99

02:00:35.000 Well, they were tapping his phone. 0.99

02:00:36.000 Because when you have top secret clearance to work on UFOs, I guess they don't want your wife fucking her flight instructor because then you're going to go crazy and you have a lot of... 0.99

02:00:47.000 Imbalance at home, right? 0.99

02:00:48.000 So he doesn't know why.

02:00:50.000 They don't tell him why.

02:00:51.000 So he takes his friends and he tells them, listen, this is real.

02:00:55.000 They're running these experiments.

02:00:57.000 I know you're thinking I'm crazy.

02:00:58.000 This is what I've been working on.

02:00:59.000 So he takes them to this area where you used to be able to have access to.

02:01:03.000 But once he did this, they closed off access and pushed it far back to where the public has access to.

02:01:08.000 And he showed them these things doing these impossible maneuvers in the desert, in the night sky.

02:01:13.000 This I remember.

02:01:14.000 And so then he gets arrested.

02:01:15.000 And so when he gets arrested, he was in fear of his own life.

02:01:19.000 He goes public and tells this whole story.

02:01:21.000 And then they erase his past.

02:01:23.000 They erase his social security number.

02:01:25.000 They erase his education background.

02:01:26.000 Even though people that knew him and knew he worked at Los Alamos Labs, he takes George Norrie of a tour of Los Alamos Labs, knows the people that worked there.

02:01:35.000 They all say hi to him.

02:01:36.000 He takes them on a tour around the laboratory.

02:01:39.000 Yeah.

02:01:39.000 Shows them around – shows them the devices they use for biometric security.

02:01:45.000 I think the one thing you can't ignore is that there was documentation that he did work at one of these places.

02:01:52.000 Yes.

02:01:52.000 And they later claimed he didn't.

02:01:53.000 Yes.

02:01:54.000 And like I think I was watching the thing on – maybe it was Netflix.

02:01:56.000 I think like he promoted that, right?

02:01:58.000 It was on Netflix.

02:02:00.000 They show the paper like we found it.

02:02:01.000 Yes.

02:02:01.000 Like he clearly was there.

02:02:03.000 Yes.

02:02:03.000 He was in the employee registry.

02:02:05.000 But for me, you know, man, I'd love to believe it all.

02:02:09.000 He's been insanely consistent about that story for 40 years.

02:02:14.000 I want to believe, you know what I mean?

02:02:16.000 For 30 years, whatever it's been.

02:02:18.000 Yeah, I want to believe, too.

02:02:18.000 That's the problem.

02:02:19.000 Man, Pixar didn't happen.

02:02:20.000 The problem is I want to believe.

02:02:22.000 But that's nonsense.

02:02:23.000 Pixar didn't happen is nonsense.

02:02:26.000 What about Neanderthals? 0.50

02:02:29.000 What about dinosaurs?

02:02:31.000 I'm more so joking, right?

02:02:33.000 What I mean is show me the evidence, right?

02:02:34.000 I get it.

02:02:35.000 Let's – the challenge with any theory – I don't like saying conspiracy theory because they're not always conspiracies – is that people want something to be true and so they end up looking for things to justify what they think it already is.

02:02:48.000 Of course.

02:02:49.000 Instead of starting with what you've got and trying to figure out where it goes from there.

02:02:51.000 But, when you start with what you've got, you've got a guy who was living in Vegas, was taking these flights out to Area S4, knows the place, knows it inside-out, can describe it very accurately, also worked at Los Alamos Labs, describes that very accurately.

02:03:06.000 It proves he worked there.

02:03:07.000 It also proves he's also a legitimate scientist.

02:03:11.000 When you talk to the guy, he's a brilliant guy.

02:03:13.000 He's not a nut, but what?

02:03:15.000 Are you saying aliens?

02:03:17.000 That doesn't mean aliens.

02:03:18.000 No, I'm just asking.

02:03:20.000 It doesn't mean aliens, but that's what he was told.

02:03:22.000 Right, right, right.

02:03:23.000 What he was told is, this is something that has come from somewhere else, and they're trying to figure out how to work it, how to use it.

02:03:29.000 What if we're in a simulation, and this was something that was leftover code, or it wasn't supposed to be placed in this current iteration?

02:03:37.000 Or what if there's multiple dimensions that we don't have access to, and that these things do?

02:03:42.000 You know what my favorite, I don't want to call it a conspiracy theory, but one of my favorite stories is...

02:03:47.000 Humanity emerged on Venus and that we destroyed the planet with a greenhouse effect.

02:03:52.000 So we created the Ark Project and took the DNA of two of every animal and loaded up on the last vessel, the Ark, and went to terraform Earth. 0.97

02:04:00.000 That's the dumbest idea ever. 0.93

02:04:02.000 It's hilarious though. 0.99

02:04:03.000 The DNA of two of each animal and then how many copies of those things do you make before they eat each other?

02:04:07.000 They got anti-grav tech.

02:04:10.000 They just started seeding the planet.

02:04:12.000 And what people do – again, I'm not saying it's – I think it's a fun story.

02:04:16.000 They argue that the Bible was like stories being told and retranslated over hundreds of years to a lost civilization that had only one ship escaped the destruction of their planet.

02:04:27.000 I'm not saying it's true.

02:04:28.000 I'm saying it's a fun story.

02:04:29.000 I love that story.

02:04:29.000 Yeah, it's fun.

02:04:30.000 It would be a fun sci-fi movie.

02:04:32.000 And then you end up with lost tech being discovered thousands of years on.

02:04:36.000 Well, you have people like Elon that say we have to get off of Earth.

02:04:38.000 There's so many people that say we have to escape Earth.

02:04:41.000 We have to sort of colonize the solar system or colonize the galaxy.

02:04:45.000 I agree.

02:04:46.000 And I think...

02:04:48.000 If we don't discover a better propulsion than hard chemical energy, we're not going to do it.

02:04:53.000 That's why this is so compelling, this idea that they're using some element that apparently is impossible to find here.

02:05:00.000 You can only create it with a particle collider, but maybe in whatever solar system they are coming from, you have a very different environment.

02:05:10.000 And maybe this element was the primary source for fuel.

02:05:13.000 Maybe they figured that out a long time ago.

02:05:16.000 I wonder if – I'd love to talk to an actual physicist about this.

02:05:19.000 Is there something with negative density?

02:05:21.000 What's that mean?

02:05:22.000 So like things with density create an attraction through gravity because they – the pressure – like their influence on space-time.

02:05:29.000 I'm not an astrophysicist, so I can't explain it to you perfectly.

02:05:32.000 But the larger, the more dense the object, the more pull it has.

02:05:36.000 So like a very dense black hole, for instance, sucks you in.

02:05:39.000 Then Mars has slightly less gravity than us because it's less dense.

02:05:42.000 I wonder if there's something – again, this probably – I'm sure there's some scientists laughing right now. 1.00

02:05:45.000 What a moron. 0.97

02:05:46.000 But negative density, something that would actually have a push effect in terms of gravity, in which case you could have some kind of object with – where you can control, expand and contract density so that you're pushing and pulling. 1.00

02:05:58.000 I don't know.

02:05:59.000 Bob Lazar's perspective is if we showed a nuclear reactor to a civilization from the 1400s, they would think we're doing witchcraft.

02:06:11.000 The Ark of the Covenant.

02:06:12.000 Yeah.

02:06:12.000 They would think it is absolutely the craziest thing.

02:06:15.000 That anyone has ever seen or heard.

02:06:17.000 They would try to tamper with it.

02:06:18.000 They'd all get radiation poisoning and die.

02:06:20.000 They'd never be able to figure it out in a million years if you just left it with them, if you left some sort of a nuclear reactor with them.

02:06:27.000 And he said this is really how far advanced he believes these aliens, or whatever you want to call them, are.

02:06:37.000 Their science, their technology is indistinguishable from magic because they're so far ahead of us.

02:06:42.000 Do you think they'd want to be involved with us beyond just testing us?

02:06:45.000 Why wouldn't you?

02:06:46.000 We study butterflies.

02:06:47.000 We study mice.

02:06:48.000 We study bugs on the other side of the planet.

02:06:51.000 We send people on scientific journeys to go and look at frogs that they're not even sure are real anymore.

02:06:57.000 Are we giving guns to chimps? 0.55

02:06:59.000 Are we building forts for them and teaching them to use stone?

02:07:02.000 I mean, we've seen now, there's more videos coming out showing, I can't remember which primate species, but using more tools.

02:07:08.000 They believe that primates, chimps, have entered the Stone Age.

02:07:13.000 They're using them on a regular basis.

02:07:15.000 Are we going to go and teach them agriculture?

02:07:18.000 I mean, do we care?

02:07:19.000 Well, dude, we teach chimps things all the time.

02:07:22.000 But in closed environments where we...

02:07:24.000 Yeah, because that's the only way you can study them.

02:07:26.000 We teach...

02:07:26.000 I mean, if they had a civilization you can go to, you knew they lived in an apartment, and you could study them that way.

02:07:31.000 But you don't think that they would study...

02:07:34.000 If they found a planet...

02:07:35.000 Like, let's imagine if we found a planet, okay?

02:07:38.000 We found a planet, and it's all just filled with octopus.

02:07:41.000 And these octopus are changing colors and just jacking fish and eating lobsters.

02:07:45.000 We would be fascinated.

02:07:46.000 We would be fascinated.

02:07:47.000 Absolutely.

02:07:48.000 Well, all innovation happens because people are trying to improve on initial designs.

02:07:54.000 Now, why do they try to improve on initial designs?

02:07:57.000 They try to make things that are better, make things that are more efficient, make things that can do tasks that they can't do without these tools.

02:08:04.000 And then their curiosity and their creativity causes them to expand upon these ideas.

02:08:09.000 Well, of course, if something's going to be so far advanced that they didn't accept their current place in the universe, they don't even accept the fact they want to stay on this planet.

02:08:19.000 They want to travel to other places. 0.86

02:08:21.000 Do you know how fucking insanely curious you'd have to be to lock you and three of your other three-foot buddies in a giant fucking flying saucer and propel yourself through space? 0.98

02:08:31.000 Oh, yeah. 0.97

02:08:31.000 You would have to be incredibly curious and incredibly, not just curious, but innovative. 0.97

02:08:40.000 They would have to be thinking about things.

02:08:42.000 They would have to be exploring things.

02:08:45.000 And, of course, you would want to come to a planet that is filled with people who have hundreds of different languages. 1.00

02:08:52.000 They're all full of shit. 1.00

02:08:53.000 They lie to each other constantly. 1.00

02:08:55.000 We're good to go.

02:09:21.000 Jumps in the water and tries to go as low as he can for as long as he can before coming back out. 0.98

02:09:25.000 We would look at that like, that is the stupidest attempt at scuba diving I've ever seen, but oh my god, a chimp just tried to scuba dive. 1.00

02:09:32.000 So if there are aliens and they're in these amazing technologically advanced ships that can jump, light speed, manipulate gravity, they just watched us strap ourselves to an explosive and fire us off of our atmosphere where we're likely to die and they're like, this is the stupidest attempt at actually going to space. 0.98

02:09:48.000 These guys are trying to go to space.

02:09:49.000 I wouldn't think about that way at all. 0.99

02:09:51.000 I would think about, look, there's a fucking space station. 0.98

02:09:53.000 It's up there and people live on it. 1.00

02:09:55.000 They shoot themselves.

02:09:56.000 They have a very crude form of propulsion, but they've figured it out because they don't have element 115 in their environment naturally.

02:10:03.000 So these dummies have to light things on fire and use the push off the back of it to shove themselves through normal air. 0.94

02:10:09.000 And you know why they're not going to give us that tech right now?

02:10:11.000 Why would they give us tech?

02:10:12.000 Why do you say give us tech?

02:10:14.000 Why they wouldn't.

02:10:14.000 I'm saying you know what.

02:10:15.000 But why would they give us tech?

02:10:16.000 Why would any – that's the weirdest argument ever that they're giving us things. 0.98

02:10:20.000 I don't think they're giving us shit. 0.98

02:10:21.000 No, I don't think so either. 0.99

02:10:22.000 I think they're specifically not doing it and they wouldn't do it even if we wanted them to.

02:10:26.000 I think it's inverse.

02:10:31.000 A lot of people talk about how they're like sharing technology with us or something, right?

02:10:34.000 You see that stuff in different theories.

02:10:36.000 Yeah, I've heard those conspiracies.

02:10:37.000 The reason they won't is because we're territorial.

02:10:40.000 We fight each other.

02:10:42.000 Oh, for sure, yeah.

02:10:42.000 So look, if they came down and went to Russia and said...

02:10:46.000 Here's anti-grav propulsion.

02:10:47.000 What do you think Russia is going to do?

02:10:49.000 All right, our planet now.

02:10:50.000 They're going to immediately expand rapidly.

02:10:52.000 Their population is going to grow exponentially.

02:10:54.000 And it's going to cause massive turmoil between nuclear powers, which could destroy themselves.

02:10:59.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:10:59.000 They're going to use it as a weapon.

02:11:01.000 The smartest thing is to not share at all until we're a one-world society.

02:11:06.000 Well, also, like, look at what they look like.

02:11:08.000 What do aliens look like if you look at the iconic shape of an alien?

02:11:11.000 They have giant heads and genderless bodies. 1.00

02:11:13.000 Like, maybe that's the key to stopping war. 0.58

02:11:17.000 You make no incentive whatsoever for people to be sexual or attractive.

02:11:24.000 Everybody looks exactly the same.

02:11:26.000 We get over this idea of biological mating.

02:11:29.000 They reproduce through genetic engineering.

02:11:32.000 Why not just be robots?

02:11:34.000 Maybe they are like robots.

02:11:35.000 Maybe that is like a robot.

02:11:37.000 Artificial bodies.

02:11:38.000 Have you seen Altered Carbon?

02:11:40.000 I haven't, but I keep hearing good things about it.

02:11:42.000 I just finished Season 2. Season 1 was awesome.

02:11:44.000 But basically, they have a thing called a stack.

02:11:46.000 You said you finished Season 2. Season 1 is awesome.

02:11:48.000 That means Season 2 sucks?

02:11:49.000 Season 2 is a C+. Season 1 is like an A+. Yeah. 0.97

02:11:53.000 It's fun.

02:11:54.000 But they have a thing called a stack in the base of their – in their spinal column right below their head that stores their consciousness and they call their bodies sleeves.

02:12:03.000 And they kind of don't care when they die because they just get – if you're poor, you get really crappy sleeves, right?

02:12:10.000 But if you're rich, you get premium access, military upgrade, like high tech, very strong.

02:12:15.000 But their bodies just become separate.

02:12:17.000 And you can also transport your consciousness interstellar, like to other planets.

02:12:22.000 And then you wake up in a body on a different planet.

02:12:23.000 That's how you go places now.

02:12:25.000 Your consciousness travels.

02:12:27.000 So yeah, I mean… Maybe aliens do that.

02:12:30.000 Maybe there's not...

02:12:31.000 You know, I find the idea of the various alien bodies curious.

02:12:36.000 One of the things I've read about is that it could be humans from the future.

02:12:40.000 Yeah, I've read that too.

02:12:41.000 That makes sense.

02:12:42.000 If you think about what we look like as opposed to what a chimp looks like, and then you keep going further with that, like, oh, the head will get bigger, the bodies will get weaker.

02:12:50.000 And then, look, there's a sort of a trend in this society today to be less masculine, less feminine, More gender neutral.

02:12:59.000 Even these they, them pronouns.

02:13:02.000 Maybe that's all just part of the programming.

02:13:03.000 This falls into another one of these conspiracy theories that the goal of the globalists is that in order to get access to alien tech, we have to be a unified planet.

02:13:12.000 Aliens aren't going to give aliens...

02:13:14.000 Really?

02:13:14.000 You've heard that one?

02:13:15.000 Oh, yeah.

02:13:15.000 It's all over the internet.

02:13:16.000 That's why they're doing this?

02:13:18.000 They're going with a one world order in order to get alien tech?

02:13:22.000 Do you think the Galactic Federation is going to let a planet in which has got numerous governing bodies and nuclear weapons?

02:13:27.000 I don't think there's a Galactic Federation, do you think?

02:13:30.000 I'm just kidding, right?

02:13:31.000 The point I'm making is there are people online who believe this.

02:13:33.000 They believe that if there is some kind of Galactic Federation or at least some kind of recognizable, you know, different cultures that have some kind of set rule base, who do they negotiate with?

02:13:43.000 Us, Russia or China?

02:13:45.000 And so the argument, well, one of the theories is that Interests on the United States who have access to the aliens know that they have to do everything in their power to unify the entire planet under one authority so that we can be entered into whatever alien access would exist.

02:14:01.000 But so long as we are nuclear-powered competing territorial factions, they can't do it.

02:14:06.000 Well, that makes sense if that was the case.

02:14:09.000 But you add in what you were saying about masculinity and gender.

02:14:12.000 And one of the things that I find interesting is that when it comes to this argument about removing masculinity, there's kind of overlap with this idea of domestication.

02:14:21.000 You think about wolves, proto-dogs and dogs.

02:14:25.000 Dogs are effectively wolf cubs perpetually.

02:14:28.000 So wolves are aggressive, territorial, independent – I mean independent in the sense that like you're not going to tame them.

02:14:35.000 They're like – Trevor Burrus You don't teach wolves.

02:14:36.000 They're not willing to listen to you.

02:14:38.000 I mean you can but it's like – Trevor Burrus Barely.

02:14:42.000 They agree with you or they don't.

02:14:43.000 You're following – so an adult masculine tough human is going to be like, I'm independent.

02:14:48.000 I'm in charge.

02:14:49.000 They've got to remove that and domesticate us. 1.00

02:14:54.000 Yeah, like dogs.

02:14:58.000 Right.

02:15:14.000 I think?

02:15:31.000 So have you seen like Oblivion with Tom Cruise?

02:15:35.000 Yes.

02:15:35.000 The aliens basically genetically engineered a whole bunch of Tom Cruises.

02:15:38.000 I was thinking of that kind of idea, but also with domestication.

02:15:41.000 That's an underrated movie, by the way.

02:15:42.000 That's cool.

02:15:43.000 I love it.

02:15:43.000 Yeah.

02:15:43.000 Very good movie.

02:15:44.000 If aliens came to Earth and most humans agreed, and then over time the humans that got access to life-saving technology, special armor, were the ones that were agreeable and less likely to be aggressive? 0.97

02:15:57.000 Yeah, they would bitch out just like the wolves bitched out and became a poodle. 0.98

02:16:00.000 Boom. 0.98

02:16:00.000 And then you'd have wolves. 0.98

02:16:02.000 So I thought of a cool idea for a story.

02:16:03.000 You basically have humans, like, raiding a chicken coop.

02:16:05.000 And the aliens are like, ah, and they call their attack humans who jump out with, like, armor and crazy future attack from the aliens.

02:16:11.000 But they're, like, these small dog-like versions of humans, you know?

02:16:15.000 Like, desperately in love with the aliens, you know?

02:16:18.000 Right.

02:16:19.000 Just, like, crying in love.

02:16:20.000 Dogs are, yeah.

02:16:21.000 And wolves aren't like that.

02:16:22.000 But I wonder if the people would eat those dog-like people the way wolves eat dogs.

02:16:28.000 Well, for the sake of a fiction, no, we wouldn't have them do that.

02:16:33.000 And what would coyotes be?

02:16:35.000 Coyotes would be like the sneaky, smaller... 0.94

02:16:38.000 But coyotes aren't the product of domestication.

02:16:41.000 I mean, they're just a separate canine breed, I guess, or species.

02:16:44.000 Right, but I'm saying, like, they really never got domesticated.

02:16:48.000 That's what's interesting.

02:16:49.000 It's like they're...

02:16:50.000 Is there a coyote version of humans?

02:16:53.000 Yeah, the North Sentinel Island.

02:16:54.000 Right?

02:16:55.000 You know what North Sentinel is?

02:16:56.000 Yeah, the people have never had contact with other humans.

02:16:58.000 Well, they've had several bad experiences with other people.

02:17:02.000 Firing arrows at helicopters and stuff.

02:17:04.000 Well, that's why they killed that guy.

02:17:06.000 The missionary. 0.89

02:17:07.000 They killed the missionary because they were invaded in the 1800s by a guy named Maurice Vidal Portman, who was a pervert slash explorer. 0.99

02:17:17.000 Who, you know, would measure dicks and take detailed descriptions of people's anatomy and genitals. 0.96

02:17:23.000 I mean, was it for legitimate research purposes? 0.95

02:17:25.000 No. 1.00

02:17:26.000 It's a fucking wacko. 1.00

02:17:28.000 Just find people and run tests on them. 1.00

02:17:31.000 Yeah.

02:17:31.000 But that would be what we'd worried about with aliens too, right?

02:17:35.000 Aliens came here and maybe that's why people are worried about them touching their asshole. 1.00

02:17:39.000 Maybe it's only the pervert aliens. 1.00

02:17:40.000 Somebody posted this tweet. 0.92

02:17:41.000 They said something about, like, you need to realize the aliens who would come to Earth aren't the cool nerds who want to, like, talk science. 1.00

02:17:47.000 It's the rich assholes who, you know, ratfuck their planet and they're dipping out. 1.00

02:17:52.000 That's a silly way to look at it. 1.00

02:17:54.000 Well, I mean, it's one possibility. 0.81

02:17:56.000 I understand, but that's us.

02:17:57.000 We always want to look at things through a human-centric filter.

02:18:02.000 Exactly.

02:18:02.000 But if they're genderless things from the future, what benefit would it be to get richer?

02:18:09.000 They have their giant heads and they can travel to speed of light.

02:18:13.000 This is why I really don't like, I think it's Hawking's argument.

02:18:16.000 That we shouldn't be excited about aliens because whenever a more powerful civilization approaches a weaker one, they dominate and enslave.

02:18:23.000 I don't buy that for two seconds in terms of aliens coming to Earth.

02:18:27.000 That makes no sense.

02:18:28.000 What?

02:18:29.000 You don't buy what?

02:18:31.000 Hawking's argument.

02:18:32.000 Oh, you don't?

02:18:33.000 That if aliens came to Earth, they would enslave us to steal our resources?

02:18:36.000 Well, I don't necessarily think they would enslave us to steal our resources, but if we were aware of them, they would become space daddy.

02:18:42.000 Well, what he's saying is like...

02:18:45.000 When the Europeans came to North America and spread disease and then stole land and started wiping everybody out. 0.99

02:18:50.000 When a more advanced civilization meets a...

02:18:53.000 I don't think aliens would do that at all.

02:18:56.000 Why not?

02:18:57.000 The way I would view the most devastating...

02:19:01.000 Approach would be more like a gigantic vessel coming down and just slicing a skyscraper in half and stripping out all the copper and elements while ignoring the people.

02:19:10.000 And when we go to a habitat for animals, we're not going to like, haha, we'll kill all the squirrels.

02:19:15.000 We're like, we're taking the lumber. 0.99

02:19:16.000 Squirrels be damned. 0.91

02:19:18.000 So we go into habitats where other creatures live, take what we want, and we don't care about the animals. 0.99

02:19:23.000 When we farm, we kill all the mice and all the little critters in there.

02:19:25.000 We don't care.

02:19:26.000 So I don't think the argument makes sense that a more advanced civilization would come to Earth and be like, ha-ha, humans, now you will serve us, and it's our land now.

02:19:33.000 They would completely ignore us and just start taking stuff and crushing us and ignoring us.

02:19:37.000 It wouldn't be – but I don't think that's the most likely scenario either.

02:19:41.000 I think any race sufficiently advanced enough to travel the massive size of the universe would have little need for the primitive elements on our planet.

02:19:50.000 And it would actually be substantially easier for them to go to any other empty rock.

02:19:53.000 No, it's not true.

02:19:54.000 We have no idea.

02:19:55.000 No, we have no idea what they need.

02:19:57.000 Like, this might be an incredibly rare place.

02:20:00.000 It's incredibly rare as far as everything we've been able to observe.

02:20:03.000 They might come here because they found this Goldilocks planet that has liquid water and incredible biodiversity and more life than any other place on Earth or any other place in the solar system or in the known galaxy.

02:20:15.000 You know the Eris planet theory, right?

02:20:16.000 What is that?

02:20:17.000 That there's an elliptical orbit for a planet that every 300 years comes in close orbit to Earth because it's elliptical around our sun.

02:20:24.000 Yeah, that's planet Nibiru.

02:20:25.000 Nibiru, that's what it is, yeah.

02:20:27.000 And that they used human slave labor for mining gold.

02:20:30.000 Yes.

02:20:30.000 That's all Zechariah Sitchin.

02:20:32.000 Do you know what Zechariah Sitchin is?

02:20:34.000 I've heard the name.

02:20:35.000 I've read the stuff online.

02:20:36.000 He wrote a book called The Twelfth Planet that's a fascinating take on the ancient Sumerian texts.

02:20:42.000 And he's widely been criticized by other scholars who understand ancient Sumerian.

02:20:49.000 And there's actually a website called Sitchin is Wrong.

02:20:53.000 See if you can go to it.

02:20:54.000 Sitchin is Wrong dot com.

02:20:55.000 Because all the whack jobs... 0.98

02:20:57.000 Like me, who love the idea of, you know, oh, that's why we're so into gold, man.

02:21:03.000 Right.

02:21:03.000 Because the aliens use these suspended gold particles in their atmosphere.

02:21:06.000 For their atmosphere.

02:21:07.000 To protect their atmosphere from deterioration by their, you know, industrial use of chemicals and toxins has destroyed their environment.

02:21:16.000 So sitchiniswrong.com.

02:21:19.000 Is an interesting website, and I don't know who's right or who's wrong, and I think if you want to go over the Anunnaki and the ancient...

02:21:26.000 What's really interesting, and not just about Sitchin, but about Sumer in general, is one thing is...

02:21:35.000 They had these tablets, these clay tablets that had a depiction of the galaxy, or the depiction of the solar system.

02:21:42.000 Now you're talking about 6000 BC. They have this depiction of the solar system that shows the sun in the center, and it shows all of the planets in our known solar system with a proper perspective in terms of the size of the planet and the proper distance,

02:21:59.000 like they're in the right places.

02:22:01.000 It's not like there's a big one really close to the Sun, and there's a little one three planets out.

02:22:05.000 Like, see if you can find that.

02:22:07.000 It's a weird image.

02:22:08.000 See, that's the image.

02:22:09.000 Yeah.

02:22:10.000 Right?

02:22:10.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:22:10.000 And the take that Zacharias Hitchin had was that they were trying to tell us that they have come from this other planet, and they were trying to explain to us what our solar system is.

02:22:23.000 But just the fact that they have this Sun in the center, and then they have all the planets that we know of circling this Sun.

02:22:31.000 And this has been criticized, like, oh no, they didn't do it right, they didn't do it.

02:22:34.000 First of all, they did it in clay, okay?

02:22:36.000 So relax. 0.65

02:22:39.000 It's so goddamn close that you would have to say, man, that might be what that is.

02:22:44.000 And if that is what that is, what are they trying to say with this thing? 0.85

02:22:48.000 Because there's also an image from a clay tablet of a very large being that has a very small human-like being with a monkey tail on its lap.

02:22:58.000 And this is what Sitchin points to as some sort of a depiction of the genetic engineering that took place to turn primitive primates into human beings.

02:23:09.000 This is the reason why we are so different from every other animal on this planet.

02:23:15.000 And the real thing that when people talk about aliens and alien, what would aliens be doing here?

02:23:24.000 What if human beings are the product of accelerated evolution?

02:23:29.000 Like what if they came down here, they found this incredibly rich planet that's filled with biodiversity and all these different life forms and then they found these primates. 0.99

02:23:38.000 And like, oh, we know where these fuckers are going. 0.99

02:23:40.000 Like, this is us 10 billion years ago, or whatever the fuck it is. 1.00

02:23:44.000 Let's accelerate this little party. 0.95

02:23:46.000 Let's inject some of our super advanced DNA into these primates, and let's see where it takes itself. 0.72

02:23:53.000 So what do you think?

02:23:54.000 You think, yeah?

02:23:55.000 That's a fun story.

02:23:56.000 That's the story that they told Bob Lazar.

02:23:59.000 But Bob Lazar said, I don't know if they told me that to throw us off the trail, if it's disinformation, or if it's just some wacky thing that they came up with just to...

02:24:10.000 Like, have a crazy story that the scientists couldn't tell anybody.

02:24:13.000 So if you do tell people, like, what are you working on?

02:24:15.000 I'm working on reverse engineering, a propulsion system from an aircraft that came from another planet.

02:24:20.000 And by the way, we are a product of accelerated evolution.

02:24:24.000 They came to us and they injected our DNA. Well, think about that story in the context of ancient religions and a lot of the commonalities, notably like Abrahamic, this idea that we were created, that we were told we shouldn't do certain things.

02:24:39.000 So I think these are all fun stories, but you could look at the idea of – We're good to go.

02:25:01.000 I get a lot of heat from my more religious friends for pointing that out, that I believe the Bible is more likely and an odds base to be about aliens than about the actual creator of the universe.

02:25:11.000 And I'm talking astronomical odds, like ridiculously astronomical.

02:25:14.000 But I think we actually know some things exist, genetic manipulation, cargo cults.

02:25:19.000 We know how primitive life form reacts to more advanced technology they don't understand.

02:25:23.000 And that would make more sense to me than, you know, believing in a hard religion about the creator and, you know, carpenter son, things like that.

02:25:30.000 Yeah, well, it's also, we're dealing with translations, right, that have gone on for thousands and thousands of years that are a story that was told as an oral tradition for a thousand years before that.

02:25:42.000 It's like, boy, saying hard and fast exactly what they meant in the Bible and what this means and what must have happened for them to write that down, to me is just bonkers.

02:25:54.000 I mean, who knows?

02:25:57.000 But what we do know is that the older the stories get, the weirder they get.

02:26:03.000 Like, that's one of the weird things about the ancient Sumerian texts is that you're dealing, now you're in like the 6,000 years ago range.

02:26:11.000 Yeah.

02:26:11.000 Which is really weird.

02:26:13.000 Like, that's a long fucking time ago. 0.84

02:26:16.000 I saw that conversation with that dude about the Sphinx. 0.96

02:26:18.000 I think he said it was like 9,000 BC or something.

02:26:20.000 Well, this is Graham Hancock or Robert Schock.

02:26:24.000 Robert Schock, who is a geologist at Boston University, has actually taken the time to examine the erosion around the outside of the Sphinx.

02:26:34.000 See, the Sphinx itself has been worked on a lot.

02:26:37.000 There's been a lot of rehabilitation of the pause.

02:26:41.000 They've sort of rebuilt it, which is kind of a shame, but it's made out of sort of a soft stone, and it's eroding and falling apart.

02:26:49.000 When they found the Sphinx, like when Napoleon found the Sphinx, it was buried.

02:26:54.000 It was buried under sand.

02:26:56.000 So this is a thing that had been buried and re-exposed many times, they think, throughout history.

02:27:02.000 And what Robert Shock had found in discovering the temple where the Sphinx was carved and The area that surrounds the Sphinx was these deep fissures in the walls that were indicative of thousands of years of rainfall.

02:27:18.000 The problem with that is the last time there was rainfall in the Nile Valley was 9000 BC. Right.

02:27:25.000 So they're dealing with, like, and you have to go back thousands of, or 9,000 years ago, it might be 7,000 BC, but you have to deal with thousands of years of rainfall prior to that to create this.

02:27:37.000 So that means that this was something that was clearly carved by man.

02:27:56.000 Maybe it was the lizard people. 0.99

02:27:59.000 You know that theory about super intelligent dinosaurs that flood underground?

02:28:04.000 Oh god.

02:28:05.000 No.

02:28:06.000 But it's funny.

02:28:07.000 There's so many wacky theories.

02:28:08.000 It's funny what I'll roll my eyes at.

02:28:11.000 Isn't it even slightly, even tiny, tiny bit more likely that humans came from a different planet and after they destroyed it and then receded and we lost our way of life?

02:28:20.000 Yeah, it's possible.

02:28:22.000 Look, if we're gonna go to Mars, like, what is the fucking origin tale gonna look like 100,000 years from now once we go to Mars?

02:28:29.000 Let's take the climate change, you know, global warming stuff to its logical conclusion of rising tides and a greenhouse, runaway greenhouse effect. 0.82

02:28:37.000 Right.

02:28:37.000 So we build one ship.

02:28:39.000 Elon Musk builds one ship with a very small crew of, you know, how many people are gonna be on that?

02:28:43.000 Do you know?

02:28:44.000 On his Mars expedition?

02:28:45.000 I don't know.

02:28:45.000 Got to have some chicks, though.

02:28:47.000 Yeah.

02:28:47.000 Got to repopulate the earth, right?

02:28:49.000 So it's got to be men and women, and the people are going to have to be... 0.99

02:28:53.000 Boy, heterosexuality is going to be favored because you really can't have gay people that aren't going to breed. 1.00

02:29:00.000 You have two lesbians. 1.00

02:29:02.000 Like, oh, we need to have it only populated by lesbians. 1.00

02:29:05.000 Well, do you guys have buckets of sperm and a turkey baster? 1.00

02:29:09.000 Because how else are you going to make people when you're over there? 0.82

02:29:11.000 I was reading that they're going to go with people who are already coupled.

02:29:14.000 Ah.

02:29:14.000 And they're going to, you know, with like 10 couples or whatever.

02:29:17.000 I don't know about Elon Musk specifically, but that was like...

02:29:18.000 A lot of wife swapping going on in space.

02:29:20.000 They did talk about that too.

02:29:21.000 I was reading like the most optimal theory for colonizing Mars would be like...

02:29:26.000 Polyamorous people? 0.87

02:29:27.000 Something like 10...

02:29:29.000 People already coupled.

02:29:30.000 Not that they're polyamorous, but they expect there's going to be commingling eventually.

02:29:34.000 Expect commingling.

02:29:35.000 Oh, so it's Burning Man in space.

02:29:37.000 But check it out.

02:29:38.000 Let's say we sent a Mars expedition, you know, 10 families.

02:29:42.000 We've got, you know, two of each.

02:29:43.000 They start having kids.

02:29:44.000 We send cargo there.

02:29:45.000 They start building.

02:29:46.000 And then...

02:29:47.000 Earth wipes itself out.

02:29:49.000 Runaway greenhouse, we can't get to control of things, nuclear war, whatever. 0.94

02:29:52.000 The planet becomes a desolate wasteland.

02:29:54.000 There's no more communication to those who are on Mars.

02:29:56.000 So the last remaining, you know, hundred or so people who are now on Mars, the adults who remember Earth, write down a book.

02:30:03.000 Here's everything that happened.

02:30:04.000 Here's what you should and shouldn't do.

02:30:06.000 Here's how we lived.

02:30:07.000 And they give to their kids.

02:30:08.000 Now, their kids never experienced Earth.

02:30:09.000 They know nothing about it.

02:30:10.000 In fact, those kids only have a fleeting image of the technology that they once had.

02:30:14.000 Now, go two more generations down.

02:30:15.000 The old tech where we used to colonize Mars is now decaying and falling apart.

02:30:19.000 They have no idea how to fix it.

02:30:20.000 The original colonists are dead.

02:30:22.000 We're good to go.

02:30:47.000 Now it's a thousand years later.

02:30:48.000 They don't even know Earth existed.

02:30:49.000 And they have this weird book about the way things used to be.

02:30:52.000 And now out of the billions of, you know, now we're 10,000, 20,000 years in the future.

02:30:57.000 And they find, you know, these old ancient relics and they're like, I wonder what if?

02:31:00.000 You don't even smoke pot, do you?

02:31:01.000 No, man, I don't smoke pot.

02:31:03.000 Imagine if you did.

02:31:05.000 Imagine if you did.

02:31:06.000 You'd have so many more of these theories.

02:31:08.000 That's a good one.

02:31:09.000 That's a good theory.

02:31:09.000 To me, that's the logical conclusion.

02:31:11.000 That's why I like the story of, like, humans came from Venus.

02:31:14.000 Not saying it's true, they're fun stories.

02:31:16.000 There's a group of people from Africa that actually, the Dogon people, is that what it is?

02:31:25.000 Dogon people? 0.98

02:31:26.000 And they talk about the very specific area of Mars where human beings came from.

02:31:35.000 And they have a really weird understanding of cosmology.

02:31:40.000 Like they know some things that they're like, hmm, where'd you, what?

02:31:44.000 And their origin story is that people were living on Mars and that they destroyed Mars and had to escape Mars and come to Earth.

02:31:53.000 So it's sort of a very similar version of it.

02:31:55.000 And now when you add that to what they know about Mars, that Mars used to be like a hospitable place to life.

02:32:05.000 Maybe water.

02:32:05.000 Yeah.

02:32:05.000 Well, think about it this way too.

02:32:06.000 Let's say that we had an orbital space station over the new planet we're terraforming.

02:32:11.000 What kind of government would exist?

02:32:15.000 Let's say Earth is wiped out.

02:32:17.000 Right.

02:32:17.000 The only survivors are in an orbital space station over Mars with a small colony on the base.

02:32:21.000 It's going to be a military dictatorship.

02:32:23.000 Not intentionally, not from this evil perspective, but from a – you're the general.

02:32:27.000 You're second in command.

02:32:28.000 We've always operated this way.

02:32:29.000 It's a military mission.

02:32:30.000 The person who's in charge is in charge.

02:32:32.000 And then eventually you build up the colony to a certain point where second in command or one of the favorite lieutenants says it's time to enact democracy. 1.00

02:32:40.000 And the general says, fuck no. 0.98

02:32:42.000 And then a civil war breaks out in the heavens, people on the ground watching the ships shoot at each other and blow each other up. 1.00

02:32:49.000 You should really start smoking pot.

02:33:11.000 Not to be disrespectful.

02:33:11.000 I'm not trying to disrespect anyone's religion or anything like that.

02:33:13.000 But like what if we tried to apply a lens of – from a futuristic perspective of our understanding of technology to how they may have viewed what was going on back then?

02:33:22.000 So you know what the cargo cults are.

02:33:23.000 Yes.

02:33:24.000 For those that don't, it's – these natives on these islands saw planes, didn't know what they were.

02:33:28.000 So they built effigies of the planes like I guess hoping they'd come back or whatever.

02:33:31.000 Right.

02:33:32.000 So, when I saw that, I wondered, you know, a lot of people ask that question, what if we did the same thing with aliens?

02:33:38.000 And the other question is, what would we do if we destroyed our own planet like people say we are?

02:33:42.000 And how would that, you know, result in a government?

02:33:45.000 How would that result in stories?

02:33:46.000 It would be so funny if we destroy this planet, we go to Mars and repopulate Mars and fix it up and then destroy that place and come back to Earth after we're done.

02:33:53.000 Because, like, look at what's going on right now during this pandemic.

02:33:56.000 The skies are clearer than ever before.

02:33:58.000 The Venice Canals in Italy have dolphins in them now.

02:34:01.000 You can see the ground.

02:34:01.000 Jellyfish.

02:34:03.000 You realize how disgusting we are and how we're gross. 0.57

02:34:05.000 Like, what we've done to Los Angeles is amazing.

02:34:08.000 And in just a month and a half, the air is pristine, crystal clear.

02:34:12.000 You could see forever.

02:34:13.000 It's a different world.

02:34:15.000 Now imagine if that's what happens. 0.91

02:34:17.000 If we go to Mars, we fuck that place up, come back to Earth, look, it's fixed! 0.96

02:34:21.000 We're back! 0.92

02:34:22.000 You know, I guess if we can sustain our technology, that won't happen.

02:34:25.000 Did you find that Dogon tribe?

02:34:27.000 Find that?

02:34:29.000 It actually said, it's talking about Sirius, not Mars.

02:34:33.000 But didn't they have something about Mars as well?

02:34:35.000 I typed literally that and Mars and it just took me to Sirius stuff instead of Mars.

02:34:39.000 Sirius?

02:34:40.000 Yeah, the star, Sirius.

02:34:43.000 But they understand, they have a, pull up a story on it if you can.

02:34:47.000 It's a weird thing in terms of like the cosmology, like what they understand.

02:34:52.000 And this is, you know, relatively primitive tribe that has this origin story.

02:34:57.000 Well, it's like the end of Battlestar.

02:34:59.000 The end of Battlestar Galactica.

02:35:02.000 They find Earth. 0.99

02:35:04.000 The fucking new Battlestar Galactica is so good, isn't it? 0.99

02:35:06.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:35:06.000 The more recent one. 0.99

02:35:08.000 Yeah, the more recent one.

02:35:09.000 One of the most underrated science fiction series ever.

02:35:12.000 It was so good.

02:35:13.000 Well, not to act like my ideas are original.

02:35:15.000 The series ends with them discovering a habitable planet.

02:35:18.000 Yes.

02:35:21.000 Spoiler alert.

02:35:22.000 Spoiler alert.

02:35:23.000 With a species that's compatible with them.

02:35:26.000 They find primitive humans.

02:35:27.000 And so if that story, you know, it's an interesting story.

02:35:31.000 We would lose all knowledge of the previous planets and technology.

02:35:35.000 Well, imagine if we flew to another planet for the first time, we landed there, and it's like 1940s America.

02:35:41.000 Yeah.

02:35:43.000 They're like, whoa, what would we do? 1.00

02:35:44.000 If we could fuck them, they'd be so impressed with you. 0.99

02:35:48.000 Well, what if we find a spaceship underground with ancient tech and we don't know what it is, and it turns out it's ours? 0.99

02:35:53.000 The Dogon tribe, the Nomo, and their fascinating cosmic knowledge.

02:35:58.000 Deep in Northwest Africa, more precisely in Mali, we find one of the oldest, most fascinating ancient cultures to develop on Earth.

02:36:06.000 So, the ancient Dogon tribe is known for their religious traditions, ritual dances, their massive ritual masks, their wooden sculptures, and their architecture.

02:36:13.000 However, they're also known for their incredible astronomical knowledge and their fascinating mythological accounts.

02:36:20.000 The Dogon have a compelling ancient tradition.

02:36:23.000 They mention myths and legends that go thousands of years into the past, predating possibly even their own history.

02:36:29.000 Some authors like Robert Schock, who's also the guy from Boston University, he's the geologist that talked about the Spanx, argue that the Dogon were a people who originated in Africa, but who had been forced to leave ancient Egypt due to their religious persecutions.

02:36:44.000 It is in his opinion that the Dogon may preserve ancient Egyptian traditions and myths that may even have been carried into the present age, claiming that the Dogon have a powerful cosmic connection.

02:36:57.000 I can go on for...

02:36:58.000 This will take too long to read.

02:37:00.000 Yeah.

02:37:00.000 Because I'm just going to just blah, blah, blah.

02:37:02.000 So what is that coincidence?

02:37:04.000 Ancient knowledge?

02:37:05.000 Well, it's just they understand the cosmos and you'd have to go into the story.

02:37:11.000 But it's a weird story.

02:37:12.000 It's a weird like, oh, how do they know this?

02:37:14.000 Like what a weird origin story.

02:37:16.000 But you've seen Zeitgeist, the original.

02:37:18.000 Yes, yes.

02:37:18.000 Where, you know, in the first segment he talks about the three kings of Orion's belt pointing to the star in the east where the sun rises in the third day.

02:37:25.000 Yeah.

02:37:25.000 Yeah, maybe their stories are just that.

02:37:28.000 You know, what could we do but stare at the sky and...

02:37:30.000 That's a good point.

02:37:32.000 Yeah, when you stop and look, if you were traveling across the country as you were, did you get a chance to stop and look in the middle of nowhere at the sky?

02:37:39.000 Of course. 0.97

02:37:40.000 Fucking amazing. 1.00

02:37:41.000 Yeah, it's ridiculous. 1.00

02:37:42.000 Isn't it gross that we're robbed of that?

02:37:44.000 Yeah, and wasn't it—there was a story that I think in Los Angeles, the power went out, this blackout in the 90s, and the police got tons of calls from people who didn't know what they were seeing in the sky.

02:37:52.000 It was the Milky Way galaxy.

02:37:54.000 Those are the same people that are injecting Lysol right now.

02:37:58.000 They aren't, though!

02:37:59.000 I know!

02:38:00.000 You know.

02:38:01.000 Somebody might.

02:38:02.000 There's probably a few.

02:38:03.000 Yeah, well, you know, if you're going to— What about the chloroquine thing?

02:38:10.000 You know, the one form of chloroquine that was...

02:38:14.000 Hydroxychloroquine.

02:38:14.000 But the form that was a pond cleaner.

02:38:17.000 Oh, yeah.

02:38:18.000 The lady and her husband...

02:38:19.000 But here's the thing.

02:38:20.000 The lady, wasn't she like a Democratic contributor? 1.00

02:38:23.000 Big donor. 1.00

02:38:24.000 She had tweeted that Donald Trump was a psycho. 1.00

02:38:25.000 Something like that. 1.00

02:38:26.000 And her and her husband took the stuff.

02:38:30.000 Well, there's new reporting that says the husband was an engineer. 1.00

02:38:33.000 His friends are shocked that he would do something so stupid. 1.00

02:38:36.000 So the wife poisoned him. 1.00

02:38:38.000 That's the theory that's going around.

02:38:40.000 Now, the fair point brought up, I think this was Free Beacon, is that he trusted his wife and he loved her.

02:38:46.000 Wow.

02:38:46.000 Maybe she loved him.

02:38:48.000 Or she's really dumb. 1.00

02:38:49.000 Or she poisoned the fuck out of him. 1.00

02:38:51.000 Apparently, a couple decades ago, she had struck him. 0.98

02:38:52.000 There was a report about it.

02:38:54.000 Decades ago?

02:38:55.000 Yeah, like 20 years, I think.

02:38:56.000 But there's also reports.

02:38:58.000 And you guys got to factor this stuff for sure because it's not like something I've been diving too deep into.

02:39:03.000 But she was trying to divorce the guy. 1.00

02:39:05.000 So the story popping up is that...

02:39:07.000 So she's the Carol Baskin of chloroquine.

02:39:10.000 That's what people have been saying.

02:39:11.000 Yeah, like the rumors going around.

02:39:13.000 But whether or not any of that's true, it's like, you know, I always say, give me the proof.

02:39:17.000 But I can't tell you this.

02:39:19.000 The media loves to run everything the president says through a filter of...

02:39:24.000 It must be taken literally or to its worst most – the opposite of the benefit of the doubt, the most negative conclusion possible.

02:39:32.000 If he says it, we're going to run the most negative interpretation.

02:39:35.000 It's bad.

02:39:36.000 It's awful. 0.87

02:39:36.000 So when he says something like that Peter Navarro instance where he said – You know, your nasty reporter. 0.87

02:39:43.000 He said about hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, it might work.

02:39:46.000 It might not.

02:39:47.000 But I'm optimistic.

02:39:48.000 What did the press run with?

02:39:49.000 Trump recommends untested, dangerous drug.

02:39:52.000 Meanwhile, you get— Where was the negative press?

02:40:04.000 Didn't they say that that has actually been proven to kill more people than not using it though?

02:40:08.000 I think one of the initial stories that come out said that it was actually more likely to kill.

02:40:12.000 So the CDC had listed that this was actual treatment used by many countries.

02:40:16.000 And we have – there's a lawmaker in Michigan. 0.57

02:40:19.000 She's a Democrat.

02:40:20.000 She was given the treatment.

02:40:21.000 She said it saved her life.

02:40:22.000 And she personally praised the president for that.

02:40:24.000 She's being censured and being stripped of any endorsements. 0.99

02:40:28.000 I've heard of that, which is crazy.

02:40:30.000 It is.

02:40:31.000 It is.

02:40:31.000 Because there's a reason why they were using it.

02:40:33.000 It showed some promise with some people.

02:40:36.000 I guess the idea was that the extreme immune system reaction in your lungs was killing people, the swelling and the fluid buildup.

02:40:43.000 So by suppressing the immune system, you would stop that from happening.

02:40:46.000 The symptoms would abide and then you'd eventually recover.

02:40:49.000 You know what man?

02:40:51.000 If the media – there's a graph showing the amount of press Obama got versus Trump – what Trump got.

02:40:56.000 And I think to a certain degree Trump brought some himself because he chased after this press and he baits them and he goes after them.

02:41:02.000 But it's like three or four times as much news on everything he does.

02:41:05.000 But it's also a different world now.

02:41:06.000 If you go back to 2008 – 2008 rather when Obama was elected, the influence of like online media and the ability to pull eyes away from traditional media sources was nothing.

02:41:21.000 It was nothing.

02:41:22.000 Newspapers were still real.

02:41:23.000 People were buying newspapers.

02:41:24.000 I mean, mainstream media was the only way you got your news.

02:41:29.000 Now there's people like you.

02:41:31.000 There's people like Kalinske or Jimmy Dore.

02:41:34.000 There's people like The Hill.

02:41:35.000 They have these online platforms where not only are they more viable than the traditional media outlets, they're more accurate, they're less biased, they're younger.

02:41:47.000 They're more intelligent and they're not connected to some gigantic media machine that has a very consistent bias.

02:41:53.000 I think we're seeing substantially more bias than ever before.

02:41:58.000 From online things or from everything?

02:42:02.000 From everything, but it starts with people like me.

02:42:06.000 So look, I'm an individual.

02:42:07.000 I have an opinion.

02:42:08.000 There are things that I think are more important than other things.

02:42:12.000 Right.

02:42:20.000 Right.

02:42:31.000 But you have a lot of people in media whose – their goal is just survive, make money.

02:42:36.000 And so what happens with YouTube, one of the reasons I think they started censoring a lot of channels is what works?

02:42:41.000 Shock content, sensational rage bait.

02:42:44.000 So YouTube hard suppresses that.

02:42:46.000 It's not entirely fair, but there's no real good answer to how you deal with this, and it's unfair to a lot of independent creators because, like you mentioned, YouTube doesn't know better.

02:42:53.000 They're like, who's credible?

02:42:54.000 But CNN starts adopting the same tactic.

02:42:57.000 So now, you know, CNN realizing they can't win no matter what they do.

02:43:00.000 They're competing with free videos on Facebook.

02:43:04.000 Mom and pop who post that video from the rally on Facebook cost them nothing.

02:43:08.000 They don't care.

02:43:09.000 And CNN has got to pay someone $30,000 to $50,000 a year at a low level to make this kind of content.

02:43:14.000 They're losing.

02:43:14.000 So they switch it up.

02:43:15.000 Now we're being told that our credible news outlets, authoritative sources, they're the same thing as what the YouTubers were.

02:43:24.000 Look, I mean, when you get Don Lemon going on the show asking if a black hole swallowed an airplane, how is that any different from the crackpots on you?

02:43:29.000 What?

02:43:31.000 Don Lemon asked a guest if a black hole swallowed the missing Malaysian airplane.

02:43:35.000 Wait a minute.

02:43:36.000 He was serious?

02:43:37.000 He said, I know it's preposterous, but is it preposterous?

02:43:41.000 And the woman responded... 1.00

02:43:43.000 Wait a minute, I have to see this.

02:43:44.000 Totally, yeah.

02:43:45.000 Don Lemon.

02:43:46.000 Don Lemon.

02:43:47.000 Asked about a black hole swung an airplane.

02:43:48.000 I get a kick out of him.

02:43:50.000 I like when he gets mad.

02:43:51.000 But it's performative.

02:43:53.000 It's not real news.

02:43:54.000 So, you know, I think we're seeing a certain kind of creator emerge that are good.

02:43:59.000 I think Jimmy and Kyle are awesome.

02:44:01.000 I think I do a good job.

02:44:02.000 I don't think I'm perfect.

02:44:03.000 But I think we're all biased.

02:44:05.000 And so that's why I always tell people you can't just watch me.

02:44:07.000 Like, you definitely got to watch Kyle, Pacman, or Jimmy Dore.

02:44:13.000 And I get a lot of heat because people are like, you always recommend these left-wing channels.

02:44:15.000 I'm like, all right, Steven Crowder, you know, for instance, Sticks, Hex, and Hammer.

02:44:19.000 These are good YouTube channels.

02:44:21.000 But we're biased.

02:44:23.000 I think we all try to be as honest as we can.

02:44:25.000 These big corporate channels are trying to survive.

02:44:27.000 They don't care about honesty.

02:44:28.000 So Brian Stelter on CNN actually said – he shows a bunch of videos from Fox News and says, don't watch The Spin.

02:44:33.000 Watch us.

02:44:34.000 We're going to give you the facts.

02:44:37.000 Look, man, if someone tells you not to seek information outside, I wouldn't trust that.

02:44:41.000 I don't want to tell you what to listen to, but I will tell you, if you only watch my stuff, you're missing out.

02:44:45.000 You've got to watch other perspectives.

02:44:46.000 I want to see Don Lemon and Brian Stelter on Naked and Afraid out in the woods trying to get by.

02:44:53.000 Did you get Don Lemon saying the black hole thing?

02:44:54.000 He did it.

02:44:55.000 This is from 2014. Oh, yeah.

02:44:58.000 Is that when it was from?

02:44:59.000 I think so, yeah.

02:45:00.000 It was a while ago.

02:45:00.000 Let me hear him say that.

02:45:04.000 What if it was something fully that we don't really understand?

02:45:07.000 A lot of people have been asking about that, about black holes and on and on and on and all of these conspiracy theories.

02:45:13.000 Let's look at this.

02:45:14.000 Noah says, what else can you think about?

02:45:16.000 Black hole, Bermuda Triangle.

02:45:17.000 And then Deji says, huh, just like the movie Lost.

02:45:20.000 And of course, it's also referencing the Twilight Zone, which is a very similar plot.

02:45:25.000 That's what people are saying.

02:45:26.000 I know it's preposterous, but is it preposterous, you think, Mary?

02:45:31.000 Well, it is.

02:45:31.000 A black hole is about, you know, a small black hole would suck in our entire universe, so we know it's not that.

02:45:37.000 Bermuda Triangle is often weather, and Lost is a TV show, so I think I always like things for which there's...

02:45:44.000 He's just being provocative to get someone to answer a silly question that's being bandied about on the internet.

02:45:51.000 He's not saying it like he believes it.

02:45:53.000 No, no, no.

02:45:54.000 What I mean is that he's presenting the conversation That's what it's become.

02:45:58.000 It's become entertainment.

02:45:59.000 Well, I think he's doing that because, first of all, back then, I mean, this was 2014?

02:46:04.000 Yeah, September 2014. I think people were just starting to understand, like, the impact of comments, and they were addressing them, and they were probably trying to silence a lot of the nonsense.

02:46:15.000 But then you get a woman saying, a small black hole would swallow the whole universe.

02:46:20.000 Yeah, well, I don't think she's a real expert if she said that.

02:46:22.000 Right.

02:46:22.000 So why is Don Lemon asking nonsensical questions to guests who can't answer them properly at all?

02:46:28.000 Well, he's just trying to be provocative.

02:46:31.000 I get it.

02:46:32.000 And so what I mean to say is that you're watching this.

02:46:34.000 It's not deceptive.

02:46:35.000 Look at where they were in 2014. Look where they are now with faking the Chris Cuomo thing.

02:46:38.000 Well, do you think that's his idea? 0.81

02:46:41.000 The Chris Cuomo thing is pretty gross.

02:46:43.000 Did you hear what he said on his radio show?

02:46:44.000 No, what he said.

02:46:45.000 He said, I don't find value in what I do. 0.96

02:46:47.000 I think it's ridiculous.

02:46:48.000 He said, I don't like what I do for a living. 0.92

02:46:50.000 I don't like my occupation.

02:46:51.000 I think...

02:46:53.000 And then he said something to the effect of, I'll never beat them, in reference to Hannity and Maddow or something like that.

02:46:59.000 I think...

02:46:59.000 Beat them?

02:47:00.000 In ratings.

02:47:01.000 Yeah, in ratings.

02:47:02.000 He's their biggest show.

02:47:03.000 He is?

02:47:04.000 I'm pretty sure Cuomo's their biggest show.

02:47:06.000 Yeah.

02:47:06.000 He's the only one that seems to be a man.

02:47:08.000 And he doesn't crack a million in the ratings.

02:47:10.000 Really?

02:47:11.000 Yeah.

02:47:11.000 I think it's like 800 to 900. I think he periodically might.

02:47:15.000 The ratings might be going up.

02:47:15.000 I could be wrong, so check the latest stats.

02:47:17.000 But here's what I think happened.

02:47:19.000 I think the CEO producers went to him and said, look, man, you got this thing.

02:47:24.000 We should run with it.

02:47:26.000 Let's go to your house.

02:47:27.000 We'll film it.

02:47:27.000 We'll make it this big deal.

02:47:28.000 You think so?

02:47:29.000 And I think it wasn't that bad.

02:47:30.000 I think he had mild symptoms.

02:47:31.000 Look, the dude went out.

02:47:33.000 The guy left his home.

02:47:35.000 He was not quarantined.

02:47:36.000 Even when he was talking about the issues he was having, he seemed normal.

02:47:41.000 Right.

02:47:42.000 Like, here's what I would expect from someone who was as sick as he seemed to be.

02:47:45.000 I don't feel that good, but hey, I'm one of the lucky ones.

02:47:49.000 No, he seems totally normal.

02:47:50.000 Yeah, that's what I would expect.

02:47:51.000 He's saying he's shivering so hard he's chipping his teeth. 0.97

02:47:54.000 Seems ridiculous. 0.57

02:47:55.000 Yeah, it doesn't seem...

02:47:57.000 I don't know.

02:47:58.000 I mean, maybe when it's nighttime and you're tired.

02:48:01.000 Because one of the things I remember last time I was sick was quite a while ago.

02:48:05.000 At the end of the night, I'd be like really achy because I was tired.

02:48:09.000 And as I was tired, my immune system would be depleted and then I would feel the effects of the cold more.

02:48:16.000 And then you wake up in the morning, you feel a lot better.

02:48:18.000 Maybe pop some ibuprofen.

02:48:19.000 I know he was taking Tylenol.

02:48:20.000 You're not supposed to take ibuprofen for this for some reason.

02:48:23.000 I think he was taking Tylenol.

02:48:24.000 My friend Michael Yeo said that he was told to take ibuprofen, and when he did, it made it way worse.

02:48:29.000 Oh, wow.

02:48:30.000 Yeah.

02:48:30.000 Well, so here's what can I say.

02:48:31.000 I'm not going to accuse the guy.

02:48:32.000 A lot of people are pretending he never even got sick.

02:48:34.000 I don't think that's the case.

02:48:35.000 He probably got sick.

02:48:36.000 He tested positive.

02:48:37.000 It seemed fairly mild in comparison to other people.

02:48:42.000 Michael Yeo, when I talked to him, first of all, when he was doing a video talking about recovering from it, was coughing.

02:48:50.000 Even in the video he was coughing.

02:48:52.000 When he was talking about it on Instagram, thanking everybody.

02:48:54.000 But he had a bad case of it, where he got pneumonia, and it was rough.

02:48:58.000 And, you know, Michael's a healthy guy, so that was disturbing to me.

02:49:03.000 But the Chris Cuomo version of coronavirus didn't seem that scary.

02:49:07.000 The dude wasn't quarantined, okay?

02:49:09.000 He went out to some property 30 minutes from his home, presumably with his family.

02:49:12.000 He was witnessed by somebody else.

02:49:14.000 You're not supposed to do that, right?

02:49:15.000 No, you're not.

02:49:16.000 I mean, it's not just that, but on CNN, they said he was locked down.

02:49:19.000 They did this whole reveal where he comes out of the basement and said, I've been waiting for this.

02:49:22.000 Didn't he also do a TikTok dance with his daughter or something?

02:49:26.000 I don't know.

02:49:26.000 I think he did.

02:49:27.000 But I think the reason he went on his show complaining was because the producers told him to do this fake thing.

02:49:34.000 And he didn't want to do it.

02:49:35.000 I bet you're right.

02:49:37.000 That makes sense.

02:49:38.000 He can't call them out because he wants to keep the job.

02:49:40.000 When I worked for one of these companies, they told me to side with the audience.

02:49:45.000 We talked about it last time I was here.

02:49:47.000 They wanted me to create a narrative that the audience agreed with because we were there to serve them.

02:49:51.000 What was the narrative?

02:49:53.000 Young progressives, whatever they say.

02:49:55.000 So social justice.

02:49:57.000 So whatever young progressives say, we want to side with that.

02:50:00.000 And I told him, I asked, are you saying that if there's a factual news story that would be upsetting to our audience, we won't cover it?

02:50:07.000 He said, I think that's fair, yeah.

02:50:08.000 What was it that AOC said recently that people shouldn't go back to work?

02:50:13.000 That they should protest, like not go back to work.

02:50:19.000 That to me was one of the craziest things I've ever heard a politician say. 0.98

02:50:22.000 Like, if anything, we need to get the goddamn economy back on track. 0.98

02:50:25.000 I wonder if she's going to lose in her primary. 0.97

02:50:27.000 She's going up against a woman named Michelle Caruso Cabrera, who is a moderate, who actually sounds very reasonable. 0.60

02:50:33.000 And it kind of breaks my heart a bit because I remember how Democrats used to be.

02:50:37.000 Like, you can look at the thing she talks about, and she's a very reasonable – like, she's got, like, a book.

02:50:42.000 She was an anchor for some – I think for, like, CNBC or something.

02:50:46.000 And she comes off, like – I don't know, kind of like maybe you or me, just how what used to be left before they went became radical activists for social justice.

02:50:55.000 Why do you think they went that way?

02:50:56.000 Why do you think everything went so— Social media, man.

02:50:58.000 You think so?

02:50:59.000 Yeah, so there's a couple different theories I have on it.

02:51:02.000 Conservatives are less likely to be online in a lot of areas of the country.

02:51:05.000 They have weaker internet.

02:51:07.000 But they're so active online.

02:51:09.000 They dominate for sure.

02:51:10.000 And that's one of the reasons they're like, you know, they get wiped out a lot.

02:51:13.000 But you look at- What do you mean?

02:51:14.000 We're talking about conservatives?

02:51:16.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:51:16.000 Conservatives getting banned a whole lot because they're very active.

02:51:18.000 They do a lot of memes.

02:51:19.000 But I think- So how are you saying that they're less likely to have good internet?

02:51:23.000 Rural towns have really bad internet.

02:51:26.000 But it's good enough to be able to post on Twitter.

02:51:28.000 Like, what do you mean?

02:51:29.000 Yes.

02:51:30.000 They have phones.

02:51:31.000 But if you've got dial-up in the middle of the country, you're not posting a video or a photo.

02:51:34.000 You are watching.

02:51:35.000 Yeah, but you're doing it on your phone.

02:51:36.000 You are watching.

02:51:36.000 Dial-up.

02:51:37.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:51:37.000 Everyone's doing it through their phones.

02:51:38.000 That's a good point.

02:51:40.000 What I think is that you've got a lot of older people that are conservative, a lot of younger people that are liberal.

02:51:44.000 And there's issues there with how people interact online.

02:51:48.000 Mm-hmm.

02:51:51.000 My assumptions, my opinions, things I've read.

02:51:53.000 Older people more likely to just follow and read.

02:51:55.000 Younger people more likely to engage.

02:51:57.000 Most people not likely to engage at all.

02:51:59.000 It's something I think like 2% of the country is actually active on Twitter.

02:52:03.000 But you end up with internal biases at the social media companies.

02:52:07.000 Who is authoritative and who isn't?

02:52:09.000 Echo chambers.

02:52:10.000 So a really good example is like BuzzFeed News wrote a story that the Wuhan Biolab leak theory is a popular right-wing theory.

02:52:20.000 Trump supporters are pushing it.

02:52:21.000 And here's why it's wrong.

02:52:22.000 But CNN ran multiple segments about this.

02:52:25.000 And so when you have digital media framing things as always – like you ever wonder why they never say left wing?

02:52:31.000 Like in the media, they'll say conservatives did X. They never say liberals did X because they view themselves as those people, right?

02:52:38.000 So you end up with social media companies that view that kind of content as authoritative, left leaning.

02:52:42.000 You end up with left wing activists and acceptable marketability.

02:52:46.000 There was a study done where they tracked essentially like – it's a visualization of location for various aspects of the internet.

02:52:55.000 Conservatives are in this bubble.

02:52:57.000 Liberals in this bubble.

02:52:58.000 Marketing, digital marketing companies overlapped with resistance Twitter, anti-Trump.

02:53:04.000 So what ends up happening is big marketing firms based in New York City, based in Los Angeles, very urban areas, much more likely to be blue, have a blue perspective.

02:53:13.000 They run commercials based on a left-wing perspective.

02:53:16.000 Politicians see what the television is saying, they see what the websites are saying, and they say, this is what America wants.

02:53:21.000 It's not.

02:53:22.000 It's what the hyperactive 2% of Twitter wants.

02:53:24.000 So they fall into that trap where they believe all this stuff.

02:53:27.000 The reason Ocasio-Cortez got elected, she got 17,000 votes in a district of 750,000. 0.72

02:53:33.000 That's not winning a real election.

02:53:35.000 But it was exploiting the system, so you end up with someone who has views that don't represent It would be really interesting if what did him in was the Lysol 0.99

02:54:05.000 shit. 0.99

02:54:06.000 Oh, that was bad for him though, yeah. 1.00

02:54:08.000 But I don't think so.

02:54:09.000 Yeah, I don't think it'll be it.

02:54:10.000 What do you think is going to happen?

02:54:12.000 In November, as of right now, there's...

02:54:16.000 The panic factor could be good for Trump.

02:54:18.000 The fact that we're in a crisis may mean people are desperate for security.

02:54:22.000 And they don't want to take a chance.

02:54:23.000 They don't want to take any chances. 1.00

02:54:24.000 And Trump is a bully. 0.97

02:54:25.000 Like, I don't mean that necessarily as like, you know, to the Trump supporters get mad. 0.99

02:54:29.000 What I mean is like he's he pushes people around.

02:54:32.000 And a lot of people like that about him, that he he yells at the press.

02:54:36.000 What a lot of people on the left don't get is when he yelled at that CNN guy, you're a nasty reporter.

02:54:40.000 His base was clapping, standing up, saying thank you for finally calling these people out.

02:54:45.000 Right.

02:54:45.000 It was a good thing.

02:54:46.000 You take that attitude next to Biden.

02:54:48.000 Do you think Biden's gonna make anybody feel safe?

02:54:51.000 No, man, I don't think so.

02:54:53.000 So the argument I've put forward is, look, man, I'm a moderate person.

02:54:56.000 My politics have always been left-leaning, pro-choice, progressive tax, government programs, all this good stuff.

02:55:02.000 Grew up in a city, but I'm not super far left.

02:55:05.000 I need an argument from you.

02:55:06.000 Donald Trump has come forward with the economy was booming, lowest unemployment in 50 years, best numbers of our lives up until the pandemic.

02:55:13.000 He instituted a travel ban that the Democrats are even agreeing with now at this point.

02:55:17.000 If you want to convince me to vote for you, and many people like me, I think you've got to give me an argument as to why Biden is better, but they're not.

02:55:22.000 They're saying, stay alive, Joe Biden.

02:55:24.000 We just don't like Trump.

02:55:25.000 But they're really doing that.

02:55:27.000 That's a good point.

02:55:28.000 And I think if the economy does manage to show some signs of resurgence...

02:55:32.000 Around November, towards October and September, if he has some sort of a real rock-solid plan and he can show you where it's going, this is what we're planning on doing, we're going to have this by that and that by this.

02:55:47.000 And by the way, Joe Biden is not going to get better.

02:55:49.000 His cognitive decline is going to increase. 1.00

02:55:52.000 And it could drop right off of a fucking cliff. 0.99

02:55:54.000 It might come around to where November is, where the gaffes are constant and they pull him off of the public eye and they never show him. 0.99

02:56:03.000 If the Democrats want to win, they'll run Michelle Obama. 0.98

02:56:05.000 We might have a fucking CGI Joe Biden with some – I'm not kidding. 1.00

02:56:10.000 Or he does it from some sort of a remote location and they CGI the shit out of his face. 0.99

02:56:16.000 Well, I'll tell you one thing. 0.98

02:56:18.000 There's some net positives Trump could look at in terms of the pandemic.

02:56:21.000 Worry.

02:56:22.000 People trust him.

02:56:23.000 His approval rating was going up when they were televising his press briefings.

02:56:28.000 As soon as they stopped doing that, his approval writing started going back down.

02:56:30.000 So when people hear what he was saying, they liked it.

02:56:32.000 But the other big factor is if this persists beyond the election, Joe Biden will never debate him.

02:56:37.000 And we see this in the press right now.

02:56:39.000 Everyone keeps saying it.

02:56:40.000 The longer Joe Biden is hidden, the better his campaign is doing because people can't see him struggling to speak.

02:56:45.000 They're just going against Trump.

02:56:47.000 Mail-in voting.

02:56:47.000 I agree with you about Michelle Obama, but I don't think she really wants to run.

02:56:51.000 Well, I'm not sure she would either, but I'm saying that's their – I think they would win if they ran her.

02:56:55.000 They probably would.

02:56:57.000 Mail-in voting, I think, will be the downfall of Republicans.

02:57:00.000 If mail-in voting does get pushed through Nancy Pelosi, I believe she said she wants to have mail-in voting confirm the next stimulus package.

02:57:06.000 If the lockdown persists beyond November and mail-in voting is the go-to way, The challenge – you see a bunch of Republicans saying that mail-in voting could lead to fraud, and it can, right?

02:57:18.000 If somebody's mom is like old and just like not paying attention and you fill it out for her.

02:57:22.000 But the bigger issue I see for Republicans is that uninitiated and uninterested people will be voted for.

02:57:27.000 And that means in big urban areas, you'll have a mom and a dad telling their kids who normally don't care to vote, just fill it out, just fill it out, just vote for the guy.

02:57:35.000 And that could potentially hurt the public.

02:57:50.000 Right.

02:57:51.000 Tracking them.

02:57:52.000 They all go to the mailbox and the post office is all a mess.

02:57:54.000 I agree with all that.

02:57:55.000 I think you don't need to go so far as to assume someone's going to snatch up all the ballots.

02:58:01.000 It's possible.

02:58:02.000 Replace them.

02:58:02.000 I think that's a bit too much for me.

02:58:04.000 I just think right now we know the youth vote swings left and they don't care about voting.

02:58:09.000 You put the ballot in their house.

02:58:11.000 I don't think they care about voting.

02:58:12.000 They don't.

02:58:12.000 They didn't turn out for Bernie.

02:58:13.000 They did not turn out.

02:58:30.000 Tim Pool, we just did three hours.

02:58:31.000 That was fun.

02:58:32.000 It's always fun.

02:58:33.000 Thanks for taking the trip.

02:58:34.000 Thanks for driving over here in your bug-out van.

02:58:36.000 It was good fun.

02:58:37.000 How long are you going to stay in this part of the country?

02:58:39.000 Probably going to leave right away.

02:58:40.000 Okay.

02:58:41.000 Well, good luck coming back.

02:58:42.000 Appreciate it, man.

02:58:42.000 And maybe people will wave to you along the way.

02:58:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:58:44.000 Do you have photos of the van on the outside where people can see it?

02:58:48.000 On Instagram, I have one.

02:58:49.000 You should probably hide that one.

02:58:50.000 Delete that one.

02:58:51.000 Whatever, man.

02:58:51.000 Someone's going to come to my van and kick it in.

02:58:53.000 I don't know.

02:58:53.000 That's not what I'm saying.

02:58:54.000 They're just going to tattoo your face on their ass or something. 1.00

02:58:57.000 Something weird? 1.00

02:58:58.000 People are weird, man.

02:58:59.000 Oh, I had a weird story.

02:59:00.000 It's a bummer we didn't get to it.

02:59:01.000 Go ahead.

02:59:02.000 Do it now.

02:59:02.000 I had a crazy guy show up at my house.

02:59:04.000 Ooh. 1.00

02:59:05.000 A pedophile. 0.99

02:59:06.000 Four in the morning. 0.97

02:59:07.000 Wanted me to tell a story.

02:59:08.000 I had to call the cops.

02:59:09.000 Wanted you to tell him a story?

02:59:11.000 Wanted me to tell the world his story.

02:59:13.000 About being a pedophile? 0.87

02:59:14.000 Something like that.

02:59:15.000 About how he was innocent.

02:59:16.000 It wasn't true.

02:59:17.000 So she's at my house at 4 a.m., tried breaking in. 0.91

02:59:20.000 So I wake up at 4 a.m.

02:59:22.000 You don't have a gun either.

02:59:22.000 I don't have a gun.

02:59:24.000 And so I call the police.

02:59:26.000 This is crazy.

02:59:27.000 Police showed up.

02:59:28.000 They catch the guy.

02:59:29.000 They frisk him.

02:59:30.000 They tell him to go home.

02:59:32.000 Cops come back telling me to buy a gun basically.

02:59:34.000 It's not an easy thing to do.

02:59:35.000 But get this.

02:59:36.000 That morning I wake up.

02:59:38.000 It's like 9 a.m.

02:59:38.000 and I got woken up at like 4 a.m.

02:59:40.000 by this.

02:59:40.000 I think it was like 3 something.

02:59:42.000 And so normally I do a segment first thing in the morning airs at 10 a.m.

02:59:45.000 And so after dealing with all that, I was like, I am not prepared.

02:59:49.000 I'm just going to tell people what happened and say don't come to my house.

02:59:52.000 In the middle of recording my segment, guy comes back.

02:59:55.000 So I check my security camera and I see him there.

02:59:57.000 And I'm filming while it's happening.

02:59:58.000 So I call the police.

02:59:59.000 And I'm like, he's back.

03:00:00.000 And I recorded all of it.

03:00:01.000 And then the cops came and he took off, I guess.

03:00:06.000 Yeah, I was going to bring it up because we were talking about the end of the world, the apocalypse, guns.

03:00:10.000 So it's not easy to get a gun in New Jersey.

03:00:13.000 The cops were like, if it were me, I'd open the door with a shotgun.

03:00:15.000 And I was like, yeah, if I could get one in Jersey.

03:00:18.000 But you can.

03:00:18.000 You just have to wait 10 days, right?

03:00:20.000 No, you got to write an essay.

03:00:22.000 I got to write an essay on why I need it.

03:00:25.000 Yeah.

03:00:25.000 And then you have to be accepted?

03:00:26.000 And then they have to approve the essay.

03:00:28.000 Oh, my God.

03:00:29.000 And they said typically takes 30 days, but sometimes it can take up to a year.

03:00:33.000 It's not supposed to take up to a year.

03:00:34.000 That's kind of illegal.

03:00:35.000 That's what I was told at the department.

03:00:36.000 Time to move to Arizona where you could just buy a gun at a grocery store.

03:00:40.000 West Virginia!

03:00:41.000 Is that where you're going to go?

03:00:42.000 Oh, I don't know, man.

03:00:43.000 Are you going to leave?

03:00:44.000 I'm going to move out of Jersey.

03:00:47.000 Definitely?

03:00:47.000 Yeah, for sure.

03:00:48.000 So I'm in the Philly area.

03:00:49.000 Because of this?

03:00:50.000 Partly.

03:00:51.000 But also because I want to expand my business.

03:00:53.000 Look, I do opinion commentary on news stories.

03:00:56.000 And now it's time to start hiring more people for straight news and fact-checking.

03:01:01.000 So I have a fact-checking build-out that I've been working on.

03:01:04.000 How we're going to rate other agencies.

03:01:06.000 We're going to do 100 randomly sampled articles.

03:01:10.000 And we're going to run them through the SPJ and Reuters ethics codes.

03:01:15.000 We're going to look for violations of the ethics codes.

03:01:17.000 We're going to apply them.

03:01:18.000 So if BuzzFeed News runs 100 stories and we find that 63 have some kind of violation of the code of ethics, we give them the score of 37 out of 100. And then people can see how we rate these agencies.

03:01:30.000 And you can look at all the stories.

03:01:31.000 You can look at exactly why we disagreed and we'll highlight where the violation occurred.

03:01:35.000 That's a great idea.

03:01:36.000 So I need a building so I can hire people to do it.

03:01:39.000 Beautiful.

03:01:40.000 Well, let me know when that gets up and running. 0.99

03:01:41.000 We'll let everybody know.

03:01:42.000 And I appreciate you, man.

03:01:43.000 I really appreciate your perspective.

03:01:45.000 I appreciate the way you look at things.

03:01:47.000 And it was great to talk to you.

03:01:48.000 I appreciate it, man.

03:01:49.000 For sure.

03:01:49.000 Thank you.

03:01:50.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 27, 2020

Joe Rogan Experience #1465 - Tim Pool

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