The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1824 - Lex Fridman

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00:00:12.000 Hey fella. 0.99

00:00:13.000 Hey buddy.

00:00:14.000 What's going on?

00:00:15.000 Good to see ya.

00:00:16.000 It's been a while.

00:00:17.000 It has been a while.

00:00:18.000 You've been nose to the grindstone.

00:00:21.000 Yeah, it disappeared for a bit.

00:00:22.000 I've been hiding from the world.

00:00:25.000 Is this because of Ukraine?

00:00:28.000 Is it personal?

00:00:29.000 Is it busy?

00:00:30.000 Well, no, actually it's because I proposed to Tim Dillon and he said yes.

00:00:33.000 Nice.

00:00:33.000 This happened in February.

00:00:36.000 You want to get in shape for the wedding?

00:00:37.000 Yeah, I want to get in shape for the wedding.

00:00:39.000 I've been focusing on that.

00:00:41.000 Also, I'm having second thoughts.

00:00:44.000 Because when you sign the paper, you realize this is a real commitment, and you're going to have to live with this man for the rest of your life.

00:00:51.000 Not only that, they're going to write fake stories about you like they do about him.

00:00:55.000 The New York Post wrote a fake story about him today, about his real estate holdings.

00:01:00.000 They're inaccurate about the amount, and also even about the locations in which he owns homes.

00:01:08.000 In cyberspace, right?

00:01:09.000 No, no real homes.

00:01:10.000 Actual homes.

00:01:11.000 Yeah, they're like ratting them out about those real houses.

00:01:14.000 Community Tendal.

00:01:14.000 Community Tendal slaps down $4 million for Hampton Spread.

00:01:17.000 Fake news, kids.

00:01:18.000 Sorry.

00:01:19.000 But the thing is, it's like real estate people, there's a lot of dirty business in real estate when a famous person buys a house.

00:01:26.000 They sell the data.

00:01:28.000 They, you know, someone does it.

00:01:30.000 Whether it's someone who works in the office or what have you, they'll be Weasley with it.

00:01:36.000 Yeah, is that data public?

00:01:39.000 Depends.

00:01:40.000 Like, you know, a lot of times famous folks will put a house in under an LLC so that they hide it.

00:01:47.000 But then when it gets leaked, you know someone from...

00:01:50.000 Generally speaking, someone from the real estate office leaked it because they can get paid.

00:01:55.000 There's websites that will pay you.

00:01:57.000 So say if Elon buys a house and he tries to keep it all hush-hush and under the table.

00:02:03.000 There was a time where they were trying to say that he's living in someone's house and he's lying about living in this tiny house.

00:02:11.000 It's not true.

00:02:12.000 You and I know it's not true.

00:02:13.000 But they were trying to pretend that he was staying in this opulent house on Lake Austin just because he had been there before.

00:02:20.000 He actually lives at my house now.

00:02:22.000 Oh, congratulations.

00:02:24.000 With Tim Dillon?

00:02:25.000 With Tim Dillon.

00:02:25.000 Nice.

00:02:26.000 That's a great Odd Couple show.

00:02:27.000 I probably shouldn't mention this.

00:02:29.000 That would be a wonderful sitcom.

00:02:32.000 You, Tim Dillon, and Elon Musk in the house.

00:02:35.000 Guys, what are we doing?

00:02:37.000 We're getting eggs and pancakes?

00:02:40.000 What did he say?

00:02:41.000 He said he was comparing like a Saudi prince with Elon Musk and like there's trade-offs between the positives and the negatives.

00:02:47.000 He was saying something positive about Elon that he's working on rockets but the negative is that he likes Austin.

00:02:56.000 And then comparing to the Saudi prince, I think, like, jet skis or something like that, that's a positive. 1.00

00:03:01.000 But then this corrupt, that's the negative.

00:03:03.000 Tim Dillon is one of my favorite people.

00:03:05.000 I'm so happy he's around.

00:03:07.000 I'm so happy.

00:03:08.000 He's just like, that guy makes me laugh so hard.

00:03:11.000 It's just his take on stuff. 1.00

00:03:13.000 He just rants with Ben when they're just sitting there next to each other, and he's just talking shit. 0.99

00:03:18.000 And I love it when he wears the cop glasses, like the aviators. 0.99

00:03:21.000 It's almost like he's on a drug when he has those on.

00:03:24.000 Like, he's in a fog.

00:03:25.000 I don't even see you.

00:03:26.000 Yeah, he's channeling something else.

00:03:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:28.000 It's a Conor S. Thompson type thing.

00:03:29.000 Yeah.

00:03:31.000 Yeah.

00:03:33.000 Yeah, but in reality, the Tim Dillon thing was real.

00:03:36.000 It was April 1st, but yeah.

00:03:38.000 I think my world, my family's world, and I think the world in general was somehow fundamentally changed down February 24th this year when Russia invaded Ukraine.

00:03:55.000 I have a lot of thoughts about it.

00:03:57.000 I've been talking to a lot of people about it.

00:03:58.000 I have family in both countries.

00:04:00.000 I come from both countries.

00:04:05.000 First and foremost, it made me realize that a global hot war is within a possibility for the century.

00:04:14.000 That we're not so far from a World War III outbreak.

00:04:20.000 No.

00:04:21.000 And the reason I realized this It's because of the behavior of the United States in response to this humanitarian crisis, this invasion, and the response of China that's currently quietly watching but for the most part supporting Putin and Russia.

00:04:41.000 India, for the most part, is supporting Putin and Russia.

00:04:45.000 And so you have this division in the world.

00:04:49.000 You just look at the population, the large economies, large military forces, nuclear powers, are just watching this conflict, watching this humanitarian crisis, and nobody seems to be shy about escalation.

00:05:03.000 Nobody seems to be shy about mentioning You know, the word nuclear.

00:05:08.000 And it just feels like...

00:05:10.000 I've reread recently, as a kind of therapy, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William Shire.

00:05:17.000 He's a journalist that was there for the rise of the Nazi Party and the World War II and everything like that.

00:05:24.000 And you just have to put yourself, let's say 100 years back, 1922, nobody would predict World War II. In fact, everybody would be sure that World War II would never happen.

00:05:36.000 Surely there will never be another World War when you're sitting there in the 1920s.

00:05:40.000 And at the same time, you have Hitler, young Hitler, What is it? 0.80

00:05:47.000 1919 maybe?

00:05:49.000 He is employee number seven of the Nazi party.

00:05:52.000 So he's the seventh person to join the National Socialist German Workers' Party that ended up being one of the most consequential parties ever, political parties ever.

00:06:06.000 So from a party of seven people, 20 years later you have a party that's threatening the existence of human civilization.

00:06:14.000 If they had nuclear weapons, that would be the case. 0.90

00:06:17.000 So in a span of 20 years, that can happen.

00:06:19.000 So now we're sitting here in 2022, the possibility of nuclear war seems to be not as distant as at least I, with my innocence, had imagined.

00:06:29.000 And the possibility of hot war It's not that distant.

00:06:33.000 And there's escalation.

00:06:34.000 There's warmongering going on.

00:06:36.000 And at the same time, just the humanitarian crisis.

00:06:41.000 I mean, on a personal level, it's the biggest humanitarian crisis.

00:06:45.000 Six, seven million people, refugees.

00:06:48.000 Eight million people inside Ukraine displaced.

00:06:50.000 The biggest one since In Europe, at least, since World War II. So that's one perspective, that there's this authoritarian who invaded a sovereign land and laid claim on it.

00:07:05.000 I recently talked to two folks that have this different perspective.

00:07:09.000 One is Stephen Kotkin, who's a historian of Stalin.

00:07:12.000 I highly recommend people read his biography of Stalin.

00:07:15.000 And the other is Oliver Stone, who you talk to mostly about JFK. But he also interviewed Putin.

00:07:23.000 So Oliver Stone's perspective is, look, first of all, America throughout its history has blood in its hands.

00:07:30.000 NATO is pressuring through its expansion, pressuring Putin, pressuring the other non-NATO regimes.

00:07:38.000 And so they bear some responsibility for this.

00:07:44.000 And, you know, you look at post 9-11 wars.

00:07:51.000 In Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, the number of refugees there, the number of people displaced from their homes is close to 40 million people,

00:08:06.000 40 million people.

00:08:08.000 And the number of dead is over a million people.

00:08:12.000 And those are wars either started or catalyzed or propped up by the United States.

00:08:17.000 That's the Oliver Stone perspective.

00:08:20.000 You know this this idea that the United States is the good guys is a complicated one and so he has been starting from the Vietnam War a critic of the military industrial complex and this kind of imperial imperative of the United States that's that perspective then you have Stephen Kotkin you have just the Western perspective is like no Yeah,

00:08:45.000 America has blood on its hands, but you can't do this moral—there's no moral equivalence here.

00:08:52.000 There is good guys and bad guys in the world.

00:08:54.000 The good guys are flawed, yes, but the reality is Putin's Russia is an authoritarian regime.

00:09:01.000 No respect for freedoms of all kinds, including freedom of the press and freedom of speech.

00:09:06.000 There's a lot of basic violation of human rights, and there's just a straight-up invasion of a sovereign land, and that's a war crime, and Putin is a war criminal.

00:09:18.000 I'm much closer to that perspective, but it's not factual, it's more emotional, because I just see how much pain there is in that place.

00:09:29.000 I've been listening to a lot of people crying, angry, afraid, For me, there's been just so much personal emotion.

00:09:41.000 Because this idea that we're all one people, we're all one humanity has been challenged for me personally.

00:09:46.000 I know there's a lot of suffering in the world.

00:09:48.000 I know there's a lot of atrocities in the world.

00:09:50.000 But for me, it's just because I know directly the people.

00:09:55.000 It's like, you know, there's been recently a couple of shootings.

00:09:57.000 There's been a shooting yesterday in the United States.

00:09:59.000 It's different when you have nothing to do with the people, then you directly know the people.

00:10:04.000 Yeah, the shooting is an hour and a half away.

00:10:06.000 Yeah, in Texas.

00:10:08.000 And that's 20 children or something like that.

00:10:13.000 It's an atrocity, but it's closer to us, and that's why we, as Americans, we feel it intimately.

00:10:20.000 Just imagine that on another side of the world where you can feel it intimately because you know the people.

00:10:26.000 I mean, I guess we think of it as differently because what Putin is trying to do is command resources and control a country that used to be a part of the Soviet Union.

00:10:36.000 And what happened yesterday is just beyond explanation. 0.99

00:10:42.000 It's just a completely fucked up situation where a sick person got a hold of a bunch of guns and decided to go kill kids. 0.99

00:10:50.000 And it happens in this country every now and then. 1.00

00:10:55.000 It's like...

00:10:56.000 How do you stop that?

00:10:57.000 No one knows how to stop that.

00:10:58.000 What is the answer?

00:10:59.000 Is the answer take everyone's guns?

00:11:01.000 Well, they're not going to give their guns up.

00:11:02.000 Only criminals are going to have guns. 0.99

00:11:05.000 It's not going to be a good situation.

00:11:09.000 And is the answer, make schools these armored compounds where you have armed guards outside of every school dressed like it's a military?

00:11:18.000 Boy, that's not something we want either.

00:11:20.000 But what do you do to protect the children?

00:11:23.000 And how many dollars is that going to cost?

00:11:26.000 Do we even have the money to do that?

00:11:30.000 But the Oliver Stone perspective, when you're talking about the difference between the way we look at the rest of the world versus the way we look at our own actions, when you start bringing up Yemen, Yemen is one that I've had Dave Smith on the podcast multiple times where he talks about it.

00:11:45.000 Dave is very, very well read about Yemen.

00:11:49.000 It's a horrific scenario because no one cares.

00:11:53.000 In the United States, this is not something that gets mainstream media attention on a daily basis.

00:12:02.000 But the bombings are ongoing.

00:12:04.000 We put up a chart once.

00:12:07.000 Where they talked about the bombings that are happening in Ukraine versus the bombings that are currently happening in Yemen and bombings that the United States...

00:12:14.000 It's wild because it's like swept under the rug and we don't think about it.

00:12:19.000 And we don't even understand why we're doing it.

00:12:22.000 I guarantee you if you just polled a random 1,000 people and say, what are we doing in Yemen?

00:12:27.000 No one would have any idea.

00:12:29.000 You'd have to have someone who really gets into the sort of esoteric, the details, like what is going on politically, what is going on economically.

00:12:39.000 Someone like Dave Smith even might struggle with the full explanation of what our motivation, not our, the military's motivation is to do this.

00:12:48.000 But it's happening.

00:12:50.000 And because it's not getting any attention, it's allowed to happen without scrutiny.

00:12:54.000 It's allowed to happen without real mainstream criticism.

00:12:57.000 If you comb the television news sources, cable, left and right, you're not going to find discussions of Yemen on a daily basis.

00:13:07.000 But that is the one...

00:13:08.000 If there's an area where we can't have that moral high ground, where we say, well, what about you?

00:13:15.000 Why do we have those?

00:13:17.000 Wouldn't it be better if the United States didn't have any of those that are unjustifiable?

00:13:22.000 Where you could say, oh, the United States did this in Vietnam.

00:13:25.000 Yes, we did, but it was in the 1970s.

00:13:27.000 Well, that would be ideal in terms of an example of learning and growing.

00:13:35.000 Well, so that's the Oliver Stone perspective.

00:13:38.000 Yeah.

00:13:38.000 The thing is, there is, if you look at the details, a fundamental difference between what Vladimir Putin is doing and what the United States is doing.

00:13:48.000 Now, everybody's a victim of somebody's propaganda.

00:13:53.000 Now, I talked to Russians, which is a very interesting thing.

00:13:57.000 Both Russians and Ukrainians say that they are not at all under the influence of propaganda.

00:14:03.000 Russians believe there's no propaganda in Russia.

00:14:07.000 And Ukrainians believe there's no propaganda in Ukraine.

00:14:13.000 Russians think the West is influenced by their propaganda, by the CNNs and the Foxes, and Ukraine is influenced by their propaganda by the limited number of news channels they have that are state-controlled.

00:14:26.000 From our Western perspective, that seems ridiculous because it's obvious that Russia is under influence of propaganda.

00:14:34.000 So it's hard to know what is true or not.

00:14:36.000 But the reality seems to be that Russia is currently an authoritarian regime that tries to appear as much as possible as a democracy.

00:14:47.000 Because there is an election.

00:14:48.000 And there's an extra hard truth on top of that.

00:14:52.000 I don't know what to do with it, but Putin is still and even more so popular in Russia.

00:14:59.000 He's very popular in India, in China, and in Russia, and some small countries around the former Soviet Union.

00:15:06.000 What do you do with that?

00:15:07.000 That's real objective, well, as far as we can tell, data taken from outside of Russia.

00:15:17.000 Do you give any credence to the rumors that he has cancer?

00:15:25.000 I'm not an investigative, you know, because there's a lot of sort of rumors of this nature.

00:15:30.000 Oliver Stone even discussed it.

00:15:31.000 He said it was the case while he was there.

00:15:33.000 Yes, he said it very nonchalantly, and I thought that was a known fact.

00:15:37.000 And then later I looked and it was, you know, I'm not sure that was objectively publicly known.

00:15:44.000 But if Oliver said it, then perhaps there's some truth to it.

00:15:48.000 He stayed there for quite a while when he was interviewing Putin.

00:15:51.000 Yeah, two years.

00:15:52.000 No, he visited multiple times and he spent time with them.

00:15:56.000 Yeah, but according to Oliver, he beat it.

00:16:01.000 He beat the cancer.

00:16:02.000 But, you know, he's 69 years old.

00:16:04.000 He's going to be 70. Yeah, but beating the cancer when Oliver was there versus what he has now.

00:16:08.000 Oh, what he has now?

00:16:09.000 Yeah, because he looks, like, puffy.

00:16:12.000 You know, which is oftentimes, you know...

00:16:16.000 We were talking about this with the Chris DiStefano podcast.

00:16:19.000 I had a friend who had gout, and they gave him prednisone.

00:16:23.000 Now, he had something else, too.

00:16:28.000 Sarcoidosis.

00:16:28.000 And they gave him prednisone, and his, like...

00:16:32.000 His face got big.

00:16:34.000 Yeah.

00:16:34.000 And it's just like, you look puffy.

00:16:36.000 And he said it's just a side effect of the steroids.

00:16:39.000 Yeah, his face is puffy, you know?

00:16:43.000 Yeah, Oliver Stone says, Vladimir Putin has struggled with cancer during his time in which the filmmaker focused on his work on the Russian president, pictured about Putin waves during the Victory Day parade, Red Square, May 9th.

00:16:55.000 Well, I'm much less concerned about the puffiness of his face and more concerned about what's going on with his mind.

00:17:03.000 It seems like he's a different man now than he was even a year ago.

00:17:07.000 In what way?

00:17:10.000 This is what Oliver Stone commented on.

00:17:13.000 And I agree.

00:17:15.000 He's formed a much stricter information bubble around him, that there is that isolation that a lot of us have experienced with COVID. I honestly think it might have to do with just the isolation due to COVID. You know, the basic distance you have to keep and all that kind of stuff.

00:17:31.000 As a political leader, you have to have extra precautions.

00:17:35.000 Especially a political leader that assassinates his enemies.

00:17:41.000 Yes.

00:17:41.000 Well, that was always the case that has less to do with COVID. But don't you think that increases his paranoia?

00:17:50.000 Yes, the paranoia.

00:17:51.000 The paranoia is the thing, that's what gets dictators. 0.94

00:17:55.000 That's what gets, you start mistrusting everybody, not just on the outside of the circle, but the inner circle.

00:18:00.000 And so you don't know who to trust, even though the closest advisors, you don't know who to trust.

00:18:05.000 So your flow of information is really flawed.

00:18:08.000 Yeah.

00:18:08.000 It's very limited.

00:18:09.000 Yeah.

00:18:09.000 And so you start making really poor decisions, even more so than before.

00:18:15.000 And there, that's where...

00:18:17.000 I mean, if you...

00:18:18.000 And I hate thinking of it that way, because to me, the war in Ukraine is a humanitarian...

00:18:25.000 Not a geopolitics thing.

00:18:28.000 But if you think geopolitically, invading Ukraine was just a giant miscalculation on Putin's part, on every level.

00:18:35.000 Geopolitical, social, militarily.

00:18:40.000 Unless there's very few scenarios in which this was calculated all along.

00:18:47.000 The only scenarios of Putin thought through...

00:18:50.000 First of all, maybe he thought that Zelensky...

00:18:54.000 We'll just back down.

00:18:55.000 We'll just crumble under the pressure of even a minor invasion.

00:18:59.000 And obviously, you have to give credit.

00:19:03.000 This is really important.

00:19:04.000 So Ukraine got its independence for the first time in many centuries, in 1991, 30 years ago, when Soviet Union collapsed.

00:19:13.000 So they're dealing with independence, with sovereignty, which is a difficult process.

00:19:18.000 As the United States knows, we had a civil war about it.

00:19:21.000 The same thing in Ukraine.

00:19:23.000 There's factions.

00:19:24.000 There's a lot of corruption.

00:19:26.000 It's the second most corrupt country in Europe, next to Russia.

00:19:30.000 Did you see when the New York Times was questioning Candace Owen on where is she getting her information?

00:19:36.000 Because the New York Times was trying to push this while the Ukraine invasion was happening.

00:19:41.000 They were trying to push this thing that Ukraine was good and Russia is bad.

00:19:45.000 And she was saying, well, this is one of the most corrupt countries on earth. 0.95

00:19:49.000 So they said to her, like, where are you getting this information?

00:19:52.000 They sent her an email. 0.99

00:19:53.000 And she sent them back links to the New York Times and all these articles about how badly corrupt Ukraine was, which just makes me go, god damn. 0.97

00:20:03.000 If I can't trust a fucking New York Times to get it right, you're supposed to be the paper of note. 0.96

00:20:10.000 But a lot has changed, though. 0.96

00:20:13.000 So Zelensky, the president, he got into office with 70% approval, and before the war he had less than 30% approval.

00:20:20.000 There's factions, there's divisions.

00:20:22.000 The west side of Ukraine is pro, let's say, Ukrainian, and then the right side is pro-Russia.

00:20:28.000 So he got into office, and he had a high approval rating, and then before the war, it dropped very low?

00:20:34.000 Yeah, it had been dropping gradually because of the division, because of the factions.

00:20:39.000 He wasn't able to bring the country together.

00:20:41.000 And the war, turns out, his great leadership...

00:20:48.000 Was catalyzed, was made possible.

00:20:52.000 Sometimes a catastrophe brings out the best in us, and that was the case with him.

00:20:57.000 George W. Bush.

00:20:59.000 That's exactly what happened post 9-11.

00:21:00.000 Yes, exactly.

00:21:03.000 But in his case, he wasn't able to hold that for a long time.

00:21:07.000 Let's see what Zelensky does.

00:21:08.000 But at the moment, He was...

00:21:11.000 Zelensky united a previously divided country, which is very difficult to do.

00:21:17.000 So that...

00:21:21.000 I mean, that's a historic event for Ukraine in its sovereign history.

00:21:29.000 And so in terms of corruption, that might be a really big blow to corruption, that kind of unification.

00:21:34.000 So I think there's a fundamental difference between the corruption in Ukraine and the corruption in Russia.

00:21:40.000 What is the conflict in Ukraine, besides Russia?

00:21:45.000 What is the internal conflict, the factions?

00:21:47.000 What do they want?

00:21:49.000 What is the dispute?

00:21:53.000 Well, no, it's just factions that are vying for power.

00:21:58.000 That's just at the basic level.

00:21:59.000 So it's basically like right versus left in America.

00:22:01.000 Yeah.

00:22:02.000 But, okay, so there's a bunch of differences in what they stand for, what they're looking for.

00:22:06.000 A lot of it in the recent years has been centered around the war with Russia, starting with 2014. And so some parts are Ukrainian-speaking, pro-Ukraine.

00:22:20.000 Some parts are Russian-speaking or primarily Russian-speaking and pro-Russia.

00:22:24.000 So in the east, you have the Donbas region, but around that as well, they want to be closer to Russia.

00:22:33.000 And the west part wants to be closer to Europe, closer to NATO, closer to the European Union.

00:22:39.000 That's one of the divisions.

00:22:40.000 You want to be Pro-democracy or you want to be pro-whatever-the-heck Russia is. 0.77

00:22:48.000 So it's like, are you pulling towards the West, the Western civilization, or are you pulling towards the East, the way of Russia, the way of China, the way of those countries?

00:22:57.000 I'm sure they're influenced and the ones who are pro-Russia, they're getting some signals from Putin or meeting with him and he's giving them indications that they would best be served to be aligned with him and be better for them.

00:23:14.000 Yeah, but he is still popular.

00:23:17.000 I mean, I don't know exactly why he's popular, but there's a longing, as there is in a lot of nations, to be the greatest nation on earth.

00:23:26.000 Isn't there always just a longing for a strong man, like the strong man leader?

00:23:32.000 I would say a strong vision, and that sometimes can coincide or often does with the strong man.

00:23:40.000 Isn't it like a natural inclination that people have to be led by a strong man?

00:23:46.000 Like Putin, like him or hate him, think he's evil, that's all good, but there's no doubt that he's strong.

00:23:52.000 He's a strong leader.

00:23:53.000 I mean, he's been running Russia for a long time, and the way he's been doing that, sort of unopposed, in a ruthless manner, is very impressive.

00:24:02.000 It's evil, but in terms of its efficacy, it's impressive what he's been able to do.

00:24:08.000 I think strength is one of the things we admire in leaders, but it's not the entirety of it.

00:24:12.000 No.

00:24:14.000 So that's why Zelensky is extremely popular. 0.99

00:24:16.000 He stepped up, you know, the famous thing, Biden offered him a ride and he said, fuck that. 0.99

00:24:23.000 I'm staying put. 1.00

00:24:25.000 Give me more bullets.

00:24:27.000 And he stayed in Kiev and held his ground where most leaders would have fled.

00:24:35.000 This is the failure we had in Afghanistan, where we fled.

00:24:39.000 Here's a leader that stepped up and held his ground, and that's rare in this world, and we admire that kind of strength, yes.

00:24:45.000 And the same could be said by the Russian people, the Indian people, the Chinese people that admire strength in Putin.

00:24:52.000 But we also admire Other values that make this country great, the United States of America, is this kind of respect for human freedom, human rights, and sort of the embodiment of this ideal of all men are created equal.

00:25:13.000 That's not exactly communicated very clearly by Vladimir Putin.

00:25:17.000 Right.

00:25:22.000 But there's also a difference between, and this again, the Oliver Stone perspective, is between the messaging and the actual execution.

00:25:30.000 You know, Hitler's messaging was also very sort of beautiful sounding, right? 0.96

00:25:38.000 What is he talking about?

00:25:40.000 Sort of national socialism, respect for workers.

00:25:44.000 Right.

00:25:44.000 Like the downtrodden workers that were...

00:25:48.000 Germany is a great nation that deserves to be respected among other nations, and it was not respected because of World War I. Okay, but are you also going to mention that you're going to murder and imprison and torture millions of people?

00:26:05.000 You're not.

00:26:06.000 And the same thing with America.

00:26:09.000 Not moral equivalents at all, obviously, but we talk a lot about freedom.

00:26:14.000 What does freedom actually look like?

00:26:16.000 When we fight terrorism and evil in the world, what does that actually look like?

00:26:20.000 It turns out that it looks like you're bombing civilians, children, lose their fathers and mothers.

00:26:30.000 Hundreds of thousands of civilians die when you're spreading freedom all over the world.

00:26:35.000 So we have to be very careful separating the messaging from the actions.

00:26:41.000 And we have to, as Americans, make sure we live up to the ideal, and we don't always.

00:26:47.000 And I think when you just paint the whole world as black and white, it's easy for us to say America good, China, Russia bad, instead of the full complexity of that.

00:27:00.000 And that there's warmongers that watch Ukraine now with the money that we're sending there, and they get excited because they can escalate.

00:27:07.000 And if they escalate, they can get more and more money for manufacturing weapons.

00:27:11.000 To both sides.

00:27:12.000 To all sides.

00:27:13.000 And what if China enters with Taiwan?

00:27:16.000 That tension.

00:27:17.000 That military conflict.

00:27:19.000 And there's nukes on the ready.

00:27:21.000 Everywhere.

00:27:23.000 There's hypersonic nukes.

00:27:25.000 You know, this whole mutually assured destruction.

00:27:27.000 Mike Baker explained this to me.

00:27:28.000 From the CIA. Yeah.

00:27:30.000 Mutually assured destruction is not on the table anymore.

00:27:33.000 He goes because with hypersonic weapons they can attack so quickly we can't retaliate.

00:27:39.000 So it's a matter of who pulls the trigger first.

00:27:44.000 Well, there's so much secret stuff.

00:27:47.000 If you're standing apart from a guy, and you have a gun, and he has a gun, and you have your finger on the trigger, and he has his finger on the trigger, and you're like, you know what?

00:27:54.000 I don't trust this guy.

00:27:55.000 Boom! 0.99

00:27:56.000 You pull that trigger. 0.98

00:27:57.000 That guy's dead. 0.90

00:27:57.000 There's no retaliating. 0.90

00:27:59.000 He's not going to retaliate.

00:28:00.000 That's what he's saying.

00:28:01.000 He's saying it's not like you have a gun, and he has a gun, and you are 700 yards away, and you have a pistol.

00:28:08.000 And he's 700 yards away, so you're out of the effective range.

00:28:11.000 And you say, you know what? 0.99

00:28:12.000 I'm going to move in on this guy and I'm going to shoot him. 1.00

00:28:14.000 But then he's going to shoot me, he's going to see me coming, he's going to shoot me, and we're both going to die. 1.00

00:28:17.000 That's mutual short destruction. 1.00

00:28:19.000 What he's saying is, no.

00:28:21.000 You can launch this thing and it looks like it's going to hit Seattle and it takes a hard left turn and goes right into Chicago.

00:28:26.000 And there's not a damn thing you can do to stop it and you can't predict where it's going to go.

00:28:29.000 I think the American military industrial complex is listening to this and is saying, hold my beer.

00:28:36.000 No, I'm sure they are, but if they do it too.

00:28:38.000 But the thing is, Russia does have that.

00:28:41.000 But I am pretty sure.

00:28:44.000 Yeah, we do too, but it doesn't matter.

00:28:45.000 Once someone launches it.

00:28:46.000 No, no, no, no.

00:28:47.000 American defense systems are incredible.

00:28:49.000 You think that they can stop that?

00:28:50.000 Yes.

00:28:51.000 They say they can't.

00:28:53.000 Who says that?

00:28:54.000 Military experts.

00:28:55.000 I want to see their credentials and how much access they actually have.

00:28:59.000 Because, yeah, people that comment on stuff...

00:29:01.000 Okay, so just even with the limited access I've had, I've spoken with a lot of people in Lockheed Martin and all over, I realize how much secrecy there is in terms of how many incredible weapon systems there are.

00:29:17.000 Given how much money is poured into these...

00:29:21.000 Black Ops. 0.79

00:29:22.000 Just ridiculous. 0.75

00:29:23.000 And they think of them almost as toys. 0.64

00:29:26.000 The way you love cars, they love incredible weapons.

00:29:29.000 And it's almost...

00:29:31.000 They take pride in making sure that America's high-tech military systems are better than anybody else in the world.

00:29:41.000 You know, that's what I think more and more that these UFOs are.

00:29:46.000 I don't think that those things are from another world anymore.

00:29:49.000 I've been watching these videos of these things where these fighter jets are getting scrambled to intercept these objects that are flying in insane speeds over the ocean.

00:30:00.000 I'm like, why would we assume that those aren't just super fucking capable drones that we don't know exist yet?

00:30:09.000 We can have both. 0.72

00:30:10.000 Yeah.

00:30:11.000 We definitely could have both.

00:30:12.000 We definitely could have both.

00:30:14.000 I think both is on the table.

00:30:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:30:16.000 But I think a lot of this shit that they're watching... 1.00

00:30:18.000 Like, here's one. 0.99

00:30:19.000 I've been thinking about this Commander David Fravor thing.

00:30:21.000 This Tic Tac thing off of the coast of San...

00:30:24.000 Why would he go there?

00:30:25.000 Why would it go there? 1.00

00:30:26.000 Well, that's where all the fucking military is. 0.98

00:30:28.000 Why would it go there and be completely undetected and be operating in the middle of the ocean and be operating over what looks like something that's some sort of a submerged base or some sort of a submerged vehicle that interacts with this drone that operates at an insane rates of speed? 0.99

00:30:45.000 And it has active radar jamming, so it actively jams you.

00:30:50.000 Why wouldn't we assume that that's ours?

00:30:53.000 Yeah, given how much secrecy there is in American government and Chinese government.

00:30:58.000 Not just that, but how much fake transparency there is from the Pentagon and from Congress where they're having meetings about UFOs. 0.95

00:31:05.000 We need to inform the general public like they give a fuck about what we think, about anything. 0.86

00:31:10.000 What benefit is there to inform the general public other than none? 0.94

00:31:15.000 Yeah, and I'm not sure how much politicians know.

00:31:17.000 I feel like politicians is like the surface wave of an ocean.

00:31:21.000 I feel like most of the work is done by people that are employed for their whole life and working in the DOD Department of Defense.

00:31:29.000 Deep State.

00:31:31.000 Yeah, I mean, that term has been...

00:31:32.000 That term is beat up, but it's a real term.

00:31:35.000 Yeah.

00:31:36.000 You know, I mean, whatever that is.

00:31:37.000 The state.

00:31:37.000 What is the state?

00:31:38.000 What is the government?

00:31:39.000 And what is the government that is not elected and doesn't get removed from office every four years?

00:31:44.000 Well, I think...

00:31:46.000 Doesn't the deep state imply there's a deep, like, corruption and manipulation of the populace to sort of, like, a conspiratorial, like, controlling the populace?

00:31:57.000 The goal is to, like, for the people that are really in control to get richer and more powerful and that kind of stuff.

00:32:04.000 But doesn't that just come with the territory?

00:32:05.000 I don't think it does necessarily.

00:32:07.000 Have you checked Nancy Pelosi's bank account?

00:32:10.000 I did.

00:32:14.000 Me and her are very close.

00:32:15.000 I like older women. 1.00

00:32:17.000 No.

00:32:18.000 She was hot when she was young. 0.59

00:32:19.000 Was she?

00:32:20.000 Yeah.

00:32:21.000 Can you pull that up?

00:32:22.000 What is this?

00:32:23.000 This is different.

00:32:24.000 We'll get to that in a moment.

00:32:26.000 Start drinking before we start talking about how hot Nancy Pelosi was.

00:32:29.000 Googling underwater drone stuff, you know, and I found the sales, this looks like a sales video from 2016, showing a drone that could be launched and controlled from a submarine that's underwater.

00:32:41.000 This was, you know, around the time of that Tic Tac thing, wasn't it?

00:32:45.000 The Tic Tac was 2004. Oh, okay.

00:32:47.000 Sure, close enough.

00:32:49.000 I mean, if this is something that they're talking about in 2016, they're probably on the 18th generation of it.

00:32:55.000 Launched out of there and is being controlled by it.

00:32:59.000 I mean, what?

00:32:59.000 How many?

00:33:00.000 That's crazy.

00:33:01.000 Yeah.

00:33:01.000 So this is, but this is all CGI, right?

00:33:03.000 Well, this is, but I mean, I believe that means they have it.

00:33:07.000 They're just showing it.

00:33:08.000 I watched one drone, this super fast drone, that was hovering, and this was like something that they were just showing the capabilities of.

00:33:16.000 It was hovering, and it goes...

00:33:19.000 It just took off, and it was propeller-driven, some sort of electrical propeller-driven thing. 0.91

00:33:27.000 It wasn't like any sort of combustion engine, but it was fucking insanely fast. 0.89

00:33:33.000 Yeah. 0.52

00:33:34.000 I've been working with drones recently, too, like robotics, just small experiments.

00:33:38.000 I know, I try to pretend that you're normal.

00:33:42.000 I try to pretend that you're not actually working on artificial intelligence.

00:33:46.000 I stopped so much of that.

00:33:48.000 Like I said, I've been at a really low point, like really low point.

00:33:52.000 I'm sure.

00:33:53.000 Up and down.

00:33:54.000 But these drones.

00:33:55.000 But the drones there, I mean, you're talking about, I don't want to exaggerate, but you're very high speeds.

00:34:01.000 It's like 40 miles an hour.

00:34:04.000 Not 40 miles an hour.

00:34:06.000 30, 40. Not 40 miles an hour.

00:34:08.000 It's slow.

00:34:10.000 40 miles an hour?

00:34:11.000 For a tiny drone, that's very fast.

00:34:12.000 No, no, no. 1.00

00:34:13.000 These fucking things are way faster than that. 0.99

00:34:16.000 But the agility, so just to be clear, you can navigate at that speed inside a building. 0.99

00:34:23.000 Oh, whoa.

00:34:24.000 So small drones.

00:34:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:26.000 Like small, small drones.

00:34:27.000 This thing that I was looking at, it was so fast.

00:34:30.000 It was hovering, and then it just went and took off.

00:34:34.000 And I was watching this video, this thing.

00:34:36.000 I mean, it took off really fast, like hundreds of miles an hour.

00:34:39.000 And I'm watching this, and I'm like, how do we know that that's not what these UFOs are?

00:34:44.000 Like, why wouldn't we assume that one of these things would be considered a UFO? Because here it is hovering, right?

00:34:50.000 So it's at a dead stop, and then it just fucking bolts off at insane rates of speed.

00:34:54.000 Well, of course, you're talking about pilots observing this, and they say that this was beyond the realms of physics.

00:35:00.000 Right.

00:35:01.000 But there could be like...

00:35:02.000 I mean, I don't understand why there couldn't be just manipulation of the human eye, sort of hologram type of stuff.

00:35:08.000 Because it was detected on these machines.

00:35:10.000 Right.

00:35:11.000 And they recalibrated their machines to make sure that these things were accurate.

00:35:15.000 What is this one?

00:35:17.000 Let's see this.

00:35:24.000 See?

00:35:25.000 That's what I'm talking about, son.

00:35:26.000 That's different.

00:35:27.000 That's different.

00:35:27.000 Come on, son.

00:35:28.000 That is wild.

00:35:28.000 Watch that.

00:35:29.000 That's what I'm talking about.

00:35:30.000 That's exactly what I'm talking about.

00:35:32.000 That's not the video.

00:35:33.000 Yeah, but watch this again.

00:35:37.000 What?

00:35:38.000 Zero to 120 miles an hour in one second.

00:35:41.000 And then it comes back.

00:35:43.000 All right.

00:35:43.000 Is that fake?

00:35:44.000 Looks fake.

00:35:45.000 I just found a good one to show you.

00:35:48.000 Watch this again.

00:35:51.000 I feel emasculated with my 30 miles an hour.

00:35:56.000 Yeah, when you were going 40 miles an hour, I thought he was going to say 40,000 miles an hour.

00:36:00.000 You mean 40,000?

00:36:01.000 No, it just feels really fast.

00:36:03.000 It looks really fast.

00:36:04.000 Because when it's small, I don't know what that...

00:36:06.000 When it's small, that speed is...

00:36:09.000 Yeah.

00:36:11.000 It's felt much more intensely.

00:36:13.000 Sure, because it's difficult to follow with the eye.

00:36:15.000 Yeah.

00:36:15.000 Where it's a large object going 120 miles an hour like a plane.

00:36:18.000 A plane's going 500 miles an hour.

00:36:20.000 It doesn't look like it's going fast at all.

00:36:21.000 Yeah.

00:36:22.000 This one goes 316 miles an hour?

00:36:24.000 Oh, jeez.

00:36:24.000 Yeah.

00:36:24.000 See, that's what I'm talking about, man.

00:36:26.000 These fucking things are fast as shit. 1.00

00:36:28.000 So if you're looking at a small thing, if they make something that's the size of a Frisbee, and it's going 300 miles an hour, it's going to look preposterously fast. 1.00

00:36:37.000 It's going to look like it's from another world.

00:36:40.000 And more and more they're being controlled by AI. Yeah.

00:36:43.000 It's great.

00:36:44.000 Yeah.

00:36:44.000 Great times.

00:36:45.000 But it brings me back to when Bob Lazar, and I know he's a super controversial character, the people immediately roll their eyes.

00:36:52.000 I like him.

00:36:52.000 I like him, too.

00:36:54.000 His discussions of that fusion engine, that whatever the...

00:36:59.000 I don't know if you'd call it fusion.

00:37:01.000 What is it with the Element 115?

00:37:03.000 I mean, whatever it is, the gravity-defying or gravity-manipulating drive that he said that Sportcraft hat, which is this thing right here.

00:37:13.000 That's the thing?

00:37:14.000 Yeah.

00:37:15.000 That's the model of it.

00:37:17.000 Yeah.

00:37:18.000 Yeah.

00:37:20.000 Yeah, he didn't say anything about his capabilities, he was just saying that's something he observed.

00:37:24.000 Yeah, he didn't know the physical speed of it because they never figured out how to do it.

00:37:28.000 All they figured out how to do it was to get it to move around a little bit.

00:37:31.000 They never figured out how to get it to just like completely manipulate gravity, but he said the function, the way it does it, It manipulates gravity around it.

00:37:39.000 The way he described it, he said, would be like putting an insanely heavy bowling ball in the middle of a mattress.

00:37:45.000 So it pulls everything around it like that and bends space and time through its manipulation of gravity.

00:37:56.000 And by doing that, it can go from one point to another point insanely fast.

00:38:02.000 So like when Commander David Fravor described this vehicle that was more than 50,000 feet above sea level and went to 50 feet above sea level in less than a second.

00:38:15.000 Like that kind of capability.

00:38:17.000 Yeah.

00:38:18.000 Yeah.

00:38:18.000 If that's real.

00:38:19.000 By the way, I tried to ask her on MIT, and there's no record of Bob Bizarre ever being there.

00:38:24.000 No.

00:38:25.000 I'll tell you why.

00:38:27.000 I can't tell you why.

00:38:28.000 We're going to edit this out.

00:38:29.000 Okay.

00:38:30.000 And we're back.

00:38:31.000 See?

00:38:32.000 That's why.

00:38:34.000 But doesn't it make sense now?

00:38:36.000 Yeah, it makes sense.

00:38:37.000 Well, there wasn't a record of him being at Los Alamos.

00:38:39.000 They lied about that.

00:38:40.000 I mean, he was on the employee register.

00:38:42.000 Not only that, when they took him to Los Alamos, he navigated his way through the entire building.

00:38:48.000 He knew the security guards.

00:38:50.000 He talked to people that had worked there when he worked there.

00:38:53.000 Some of them went on the record.

00:38:54.000 Some of them were unwilling to go on the record.

00:38:56.000 He knew the very machine that they'd use to detect the length of the digits in your fingers, you know, through some sort of a, I don't know what kind of scan it is, but you put your hand on this and he described it and someone took a photo of it that had existed in Los Alamos.

00:39:11.000 He's like, yeah, that's it.

00:39:12.000 He went from there.

00:39:13.000 I mean, it was clear that he has a very high level of scientific sophistication, right?

00:39:19.000 He developed this rocket engine that he put in his Honda. 0.99

00:39:22.000 So he put a fucking jet engine in a Honda. 0.98

00:39:25.000 He developed a hydrogen engine to put in his Corvette. 0.99

00:39:29.000 This is all working functional stuff, and he talked about it, how incredible it was.

00:39:34.000 I mean, there's a video of him describing his Corvette. 0.98

00:39:37.000 The guy's fucking brilliant. 0.98

00:39:38.000 Yeah, but he also seems to have some demons. 0.99

00:39:42.000 We all have demons.

00:39:47.000 I don't know if I should comment on that part or not.

00:39:50.000 I'm tempted to.

00:39:53.000 But all of this started since we started using nukes.

00:39:57.000 Right.

00:39:57.000 Which brings us back to the reality that the nukes aren't off the table.

00:40:03.000 Right.

00:40:04.000 Well, all this started because we were using nukes and that's when the wave of UFO appearances happened.

00:40:09.000 Yeah.

00:40:10.000 See, I'm inclined to believe that we are being visited.

00:40:15.000 And if we are being visited, the level of sophistication of any civilization that's able to send, whether it's a drone, you know, piloted by AI or by some sort of robot creatures, like...

00:40:29.000 I would measure us.

00:40:32.000 I would watch us. 0.97

00:40:33.000 I would keep a fucking very close eye on our capabilities and the stories of them hovering over nuclear facilities and shutting down all their facilities. 0.98

00:40:42.000 Shutting down all the weapon systems? 0.98

00:40:44.000 That would make sense.

00:40:47.000 Like, if I was monitoring from another world, I would say, look, these are territorial apes with nuclear weapons, and we need to figure out a way to stop them in their transition. 0.98

00:40:58.000 They're making a transition from...

00:41:01.000 Extremely primitive to using tools, to engines, the industrial age, to the technological age in which we're at now, where things are accelerating far beyond our capacity to understand the implications of what happens if,

00:41:16.000 like your field of study, AI. If AI gets implemented on a large scale and becomes sentient and then Countries that have...

00:41:26.000 I don't even know what our morals are.

00:41:28.000 But if we had that capability in a brutal military dictatorship and they decided to use it to control the entire world...

00:41:39.000 And they probably have information about how other civilizations have failed.

00:41:44.000 The great filter that stopped them from existing.

00:41:47.000 And they realize when you start to get something like nuclear weapons, that's when...

00:41:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:41:52.000 Within like 100 years, it all goes to shit. 0.99

00:41:55.000 So there's... 0.96

00:41:56.000 If you want to preserve a particular civilization, like a tribe, you would want to start helping them out.

00:42:02.000 That's the positive spin of it.

00:42:05.000 I do think that their capability...

00:42:07.000 I think the universe is just full.

00:42:09.000 Of alien civilizations.

00:42:11.000 But I think their capabilities are far, far superior to human capabilities.

00:42:16.000 But maybe not.

00:42:17.000 Maybe we're the best.

00:42:19.000 I just don't...

00:42:20.000 I can't imagine that.

00:42:23.000 Why not?

00:42:24.000 Someone has to be the best.

00:42:25.000 Yeah.

00:42:26.000 Why isn't America?

00:42:28.000 Imagine we're the best in the universe.

00:42:30.000 This is as good as it gets.

00:42:32.000 This is the best.

00:42:33.000 Most people are...

00:42:33.000 Most things are evil.

00:42:35.000 I could see that argument.

00:42:36.000 Evil.

00:42:37.000 Oh boy, I've been listening to a lot of people tell me how they feel about America.

00:42:43.000 A country, by the way, I love.

00:42:44.000 And I should say, this is, you know, I joke around about this, but I am American.

00:42:50.000 I'm now, I believe in the ideals of this country.

00:42:53.000 I will die an American. 1.00

00:42:54.000 I love this country.

00:42:56.000 And also, my heart is the only thing I care about is with the people in terms of the war in Ukraine, is with the people of Ukraine, and I do think that the invasion of Ukraine is a war crime, and I think Putin in this act is a war criminal.

00:43:11.000 I just want to put that on the table because we're talking about Oliver Stone a lot.

00:43:14.000 Yeah.

00:43:15.000 So evil, you know.

00:43:17.000 Evil's a weird word.

00:43:18.000 It's a weird word because they'll look at what we're doing with cows and they'd be like, uh, all you humans seem to be torturing your food a lot.

00:43:28.000 Okay, how about what we're doing with plants?

00:43:30.000 Yeah.

00:43:30.000 We now know that plants have some sort of innate intelligence, some sort of ability to communication, some sort of a community that they share with the mycelium, with neighboring plants.

00:43:42.000 They allocate resources to plants that are in jeopardy.

00:43:47.000 They release defense chemicals when they know they're being eaten.

00:43:52.000 Your salad is screaming in pain.

00:43:54.000 It might be.

00:43:55.000 It might be.

00:43:55.000 And, you know, aliens obviously would be able to know this kind of information much better.

00:44:00.000 If you have a deep understanding of what is life, of what is a life form, how you go from non-life to life, you're able to understand...

00:44:08.000 What is the nature of consciousness?

00:44:09.000 What is the nature of suffering?

00:44:11.000 And then you could see maybe plants do suffer, maybe to a lesser degree than humans.

00:44:15.000 But at scale, we're basically parasites and torturers of all life on Earth, we meaning humans.

00:44:23.000 So they could have that perspective.

00:44:25.000 But I just think the most advanced alien civilization would be the one that reaches us first.

00:44:32.000 And so they would be just orders of magnitude more advanced.

00:44:37.000 So anything we see visibly in terms of stuff that Commander Fravor saw, that's them trying to sort of talk down to us, like dumb down their stuff to be able to communicate in some kind of way with us.

00:44:51.000 Otherwise, if they wanted to be invisible, I think they could be invisible to us.

00:44:54.000 Well, I think they probably are, for the most part.

00:44:57.000 I think that's why there's these unique experiences where people have these interactions with them and then they don't know what to do or what to say because it seems so bizarre and no one wants to believe it because we have an inability to really think rationally about something that we have no evidence of.

00:45:15.000 If someone has an experience, it's a completely unique experience.

00:45:19.000 If you walk outside of the studio and you get in your car and then all of a sudden something hovers over your car, all traffic stops around you, time stands still.

00:45:33.000 Your car stops.

00:45:35.000 You get outside the car and this thing hovers and these creatures come out and they communicate with you.

00:45:41.000 And they communicate with you telepathically and tell you that this civilization, that life itself on Earth is in grave danger.

00:45:49.000 And that you have to do your best to try to implement artificial intelligence in a way that's going to subvert that.

00:45:54.000 That's going to save people.

00:45:56.000 And this is imperative.

00:45:57.000 And if you don't do that, there's a real possibility with the capabilities of weapons now that they're going to miss something.

00:46:03.000 And something's going to detonate.

00:46:04.000 It's going to start a domino chain of events that's going to be unstoppable and it's going to wipe out life on Earth.

00:46:10.000 And then they go away.

00:46:11.000 And then you're standing there in front of your car and then traffic starts moving again. 0.99

00:46:15.000 And you're just standing there and you're going, what the fuck happened? 0.99

00:46:18.000 Was that real? 0.99

00:46:19.000 And then you call me. 1.00

00:46:20.000 And you're not going to believe shit. 1.00

00:46:22.000 I believe you. 1.00

00:46:23.000 I'm fucking crazy. 1.00

00:46:25.000 I believe a lot of shit. 1.00

00:46:27.000 So that's a possibility, but that's like a physical manifestation. 1.00

00:46:33.000 I just think there's so many other ways to influence humans.

00:46:37.000 Where do ideas come from?

00:46:39.000 What about the seeding of ideas?

00:46:41.000 What about consciousness itself?

00:46:43.000 I think ideas are aliens.

00:46:44.000 Yeah, they're like, tell me one scientist or artist that can tell you where their good ideas came from.

00:46:51.000 Right.

00:46:52.000 They're all like, oh, just, I mean, it's never systematic.

00:46:56.000 It's always like you're like channeling your receiver, an antenna for something.

00:47:01.000 Yeah, what is creativity, right?

00:47:02.000 Yeah, where is that coming from?

00:47:04.000 Where's it coming from?

00:47:05.000 The muse!

00:47:06.000 I mean, Pressfield always talks openly about the muse and he treats it that way when he sits down to write.

00:47:11.000 He treats it like it's a real object that's giving him information and that he treats it with respect because that's how the muse rewards him for his hard work.

00:47:19.000 Yeah, but also not just ideas, consciousness itself.

00:47:23.000 Yeah.

00:47:24.000 Like we take this for granted.

00:47:25.000 It feels like something to be this.

00:47:28.000 Yeah.

00:47:28.000 Like, what is that?

00:47:30.000 Do other animals have this?

00:47:34.000 Maybe this kind of consciousness that we have, the ability to richly experience the world in a really interesting, complicated way, maybe that's a gift from elsewhere for us to be able to understand ourselves and to create something that will save this place.

00:47:53.000 Or maybe it's a function of the universe that constantly encourages innovation.

00:47:57.000 If you look, I mean, I've said this ad nauseum, but I'll say it again because it fits into this conversation.

00:48:02.000 If you were observing the earth from afar, if you had no context, if you didn't understand the human species at all, if you were completely alien from it, You're being made of light, and you're observing what these creatures do.

00:48:19.000 Well, what's the predominant change-oriented creature on this planet?

00:48:23.000 It's humans.

00:48:24.000 And what do humans do?

00:48:26.000 Well, it seems like they make better and better stuff.

00:48:28.000 That's what they're always doing.

00:48:30.000 And maybe that's what materialism is all about.

00:48:33.000 Maybe our obsession with materialism is an insurance policy that fuels constant innovation.

00:48:40.000 I have a phone, an iPhone, one of my other phones, that's three years old, maybe? 0.97

00:48:48.000 When I use it, I can't fucking tell. 0.90

00:48:50.000 But when the new one comes out, I'm going to be one of the first dorks to get it. 0.92

00:48:53.000 Why am I going to get it? 1.00

00:48:54.000 Because I'm a fucking idiot. 1.00

00:48:55.000 Because I want the newest, latest, greatest shit. 1.00

00:48:58.000 And I want to fuel this innovation. 0.99

00:49:02.000 Well, why is that?

00:49:04.000 What are we doing?

00:49:06.000 Well, we're eventually moving towards more and more capable things, more and more capable machines.

00:49:12.000 We are the electronic caterpillar.

00:49:15.000 We're giving birth to the butterfly, and we're making a cocoon, and we don't even know why. 0.83

00:49:20.000 We're just fucking constantly trying to buy the newest. 0.93

00:49:23.000 Oh, this one goes zero to 16, 1.9 seconds. 0.97

00:49:26.000 Oh, gotta get it, gotta get it.

00:49:27.000 And we're constantly involved in this pursuit of technological innovation.

00:49:33.000 Now if you think of ideas, every single thing that exists on this planet, whether it's a mug or a house or a fucking windmill that creates electricity, all of those came out of the human imagination.

00:49:45.000 All of them.

00:49:46.000 You had an idea, a guy Collaborates with this woman, and she has an idea, and her idea fits with your idea, and it makes your idea better and more capable, and then you get together with a group of people, you form a startup, and your ideas all gel together, and you're working 16 hours a day around the clock to make the world a better place with this new idea,

00:50:05.000 and this new product, and everything gets better over time.

00:50:08.000 Nobody goes, you know what?

00:50:10.000 These phones we got here right now, we're good.

00:50:12.000 Let's just stop innovating.

00:50:14.000 Let's tell Samsung and Apple, let's just leave it the way it is and we're good with phones.

00:50:20.000 And let's channel this into cancer research.

00:50:22.000 Let's channel all this creativity into fertility work. 1.00

00:50:25.000 Let's try to take the phthalates out of the fucking bloodstreams and the microplastics out of people's water supply. 1.00

00:50:32.000 No. 0.99

00:50:33.000 No, no, no.

00:50:33.000 More, better, crazier stuff.

00:50:35.000 But by the way, to push back, you said nobody says we had enough of the...

00:50:40.000 Communist regimes did.

00:50:42.000 Authoritarian regimes often do.

00:50:43.000 They actually suffocate innovation, which is interesting.

00:50:46.000 If you look at Earth as a whole...

00:50:48.000 It seems like that's why they fail.

00:50:50.000 It's like the capitalist imperative.

00:50:53.000 The innovative societies flourish and they push out.

00:50:57.000 True.

00:50:58.000 Throughout history, they get rid of the tyrants and the authoritarians and so on.

00:51:03.000 Because there's something about innovation that wins.

00:51:07.000 It is almost like at least Earth wants us to be innovative.

00:51:11.000 Well, the human race wants to innovate.

00:51:14.000 It seems like the whole universe wants constant states of complexity.

00:51:18.000 Just from the time the Big Bang exists, to multi-celled organisms, to conscious things, to conscious things that manipulate their environment like human beings.

00:51:28.000 It's this constant state of ever-increasing complexity.

00:51:33.000 Yeah.

00:51:34.000 Yeah.

00:51:34.000 In all different forms, which makes me wonder what that looks like.

00:51:37.000 Because there's probably life here in the solar system Probably, it might be dead, but maybe living on Mars and Titan, different moons throughout, and what that fucking thing looks like.

00:51:52.000 Because there's moons that are volcanoes, there's moons that are ice, oceans, and that's going to be all weird kinds of life.

00:51:59.000 It could be microscopic, it could be gigantic things that span, I don't know, kilometers.

00:52:07.000 Yeah.

00:52:07.000 I don't know why I say kilometers, miles.

00:52:09.000 Well, how about the fucking mushroom growth that's in the Pacific Northwest? 0.98

00:52:15.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:52:15.000 Mycelium growth that's literally the largest physical organism that's on Earth. 0.98

00:52:20.000 That counts as one organism?

00:52:21.000 Yeah.

00:52:22.000 They think of it as one organism.

00:52:23.000 And it's conscious.

00:52:24.000 It has a consciousness.

00:52:26.000 It's communicating with plants.

00:52:29.000 I mean, you know, fungus breathes air.

00:52:34.000 Yeah, it breathes air.

00:52:35.000 And not only that, it might have come here from panspermia.

00:52:38.000 It might have hitched a ride. 0.87

00:52:40.000 Spores exist.

00:52:41.000 They can exist in a vacuum of space.

00:52:43.000 They can exist at insane temperatures.

00:52:45.000 They could have come here, like psilocybin and all these psychoactive compounds that Terence McKenna believed were responsible for the development of the human brain, the doubling of the human brain over a period of two million years.

00:52:58.000 That's his stoned ape theory.

00:53:00.000 That might have come from outer space.

00:53:03.000 You know, there's this idea I don't know where I read this.

00:53:06.000 I think Robin Hansen?

00:53:08.000 It doesn't matter.

00:53:09.000 But this idea that a super advanced alien civilization planted life somewhere in our galaxy, in this local pocket around our solar system.

00:53:20.000 And then the aliens we're seeing now are just our local neighbors.

00:53:25.000 They're like similarly advanced as us because they started out at the same similar time.

00:53:31.000 But there's a much...

00:53:33.000 There's like...

00:53:33.000 There's daddy.

00:53:35.000 Somewhere.

00:53:35.000 They came from somewhere, this giant thing that just planted life and walked away.

00:53:40.000 Yeah.

00:53:41.000 And is watching from a much larger distance, which would better explain that the technological advancements of the aliens that visit us are similar to ours.

00:53:51.000 Yeah.

00:53:51.000 They're maybe ten times better, but not millions times better.

00:53:55.000 Yeah.

00:53:56.000 So that's interesting that we have a bunch of neighbors.

00:53:58.000 And in that case, Elon and the rockets will help us find those neighbors.

00:54:03.000 There's hope.

00:54:04.000 Well, look at it this way.

00:54:05.000 If you had neighbors, and your neighbors were a bunch of 18-year-old kids with guns that maybe even admired you if they met you, like, Lex Friedman, what are you doing around here? 0.98

00:54:16.000 Well, I'm trying to get you guys to stop fucking blowing up refrigerators in your backyard. 1.00

00:54:23.000 You guys are doing stupid shit, and it's causing real fucking problems in the world. 1.00

00:54:28.000 I would have to watch how I present that case to them. 1.00

00:54:33.000 What if they knew you?

00:54:33.000 What if they respected you?

00:54:35.000 I think that could turn quickly, right?

00:54:37.000 Depends on who they are.

00:54:38.000 I feel like if there was a bunch of 18-year-old dudes that were UFC fans, I could probably knock on their door and talk to them.

00:54:45.000 And talk them out of the refrigerator activities?

00:54:48.000 I could probably explain what you're doing by putting thermite in these gigantic...

00:54:54.000 Have you ever seen these guys that do this?

00:54:57.000 Thermite is...

00:54:58.000 It's called thermite, right?

00:55:00.000 I believe it's called thermite.

00:55:01.000 Oh, Tannerite.

00:55:04.000 Tannerite?

00:55:04.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:55:05.000 So there's this shit you can buy. 1.00

00:55:07.000 Thermite is something else. 1.00

00:55:09.000 Tan, thermite is some shit they think cuts... 0.98

00:55:11.000 I mean, I typed in thermite and it's coming up as both. 0.99

00:55:14.000 Yeah.

00:55:14.000 I think thermite is that thing that they believe cuts...

00:55:17.000 Like, you can pour it on metal and light it on fire and it'll slice right through the metal.

00:55:22.000 It's like some kind of incendiary compound.

00:55:25.000 By the way, you have whiskey?

00:55:26.000 Yes!

00:55:27.000 Now you're ready!

00:55:28.000 Yay! 0.99

00:55:29.000 Just for science.

00:55:30.000 Just for science.

00:55:31.000 Tannerite's an explosive.

00:55:32.000 Yes, Tannerite is what I'm talking about.

00:55:34.000 Thermite is the stuff that cuts metal.

00:55:36.000 So Tannerite, what they do is...

00:55:37.000 Let's get some ice and glasses and whiskey.

00:55:41.000 Thanks, Jamie. 0.98

00:55:43.000 Tannerite, what they do is they fill up refrigerators, and then they'll shoot it from a distance, and on impact it explodes, and so many people have died fucking with this stuff. 0.97

00:55:55.000 Like, man almost killed... 0.98

00:55:56.000 Watch this.

00:55:57.000 Okay, watch this guy.

00:55:58.000 He shoots his refrigerator.

00:55:59.000 Watch this.

00:56:06.000 It's the aim.

00:56:07.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:56:11.000 Holy shit! 1.00

00:56:14.000 That's Texas. 1.00

00:56:15.000 Welcome to Texas.

00:56:16.000 That's where you live.

00:56:17.000 Welcome to Texas.

00:56:19.000 So you're saying you could talk that guy out of doing that particular activity?

00:56:24.000 Well, that particular activity is not the worst thing in the world.

00:56:27.000 That's dangerous and you're probably going to die if you're...

00:56:29.000 You don't...

00:56:30.000 A lot of times people don't understand that the physical force that that stuff generates that you think this refrigerator like they've done it with safes where they've detonated safes and these enormous vault doors like bank vault doors going a hundred and fifty miles an hour through a fucking tree like it's it's immense amounts of power and miniscule compared to you know nuclear explosions So if,

00:56:58.000 you know, you take me visiting the neighbors and say, hey, let me just explain what's going to happen.

00:57:04.000 If you blow that thing up, you guys can't be anywhere near here.

00:57:07.000 You're going to have to be like a mile away.

00:57:09.000 What?

00:57:10.000 No, a mile away.

00:57:12.000 Like a mile is only 5,000 feet, kids.

00:57:15.000 And you go, do you know how 5,000 feet is?

00:57:16.000 It's not that far.

00:57:17.000 You can run it in four minutes if you're fast.

00:57:20.000 Dallas County explosion caused by teens using tannerite while target shootings.

00:57:24.000 Yeah, see? 1.00

00:57:25.000 This is fucking normal shit. 1.00

00:57:28.000 Yeah, you can get it. 1.00

00:57:30.000 But tannerite is very dangerous stuff and readily available.

00:57:35.000 I know guys who have it.

00:57:37.000 Yeah.

00:57:37.000 This sounds like a perfect metaphor for nuclear weapons because I also know guys that have nuclear weapons.

00:57:44.000 You've seen those videos of when they first detonated nuclear bombs in the ocean.

00:57:49.000 Those tests.

00:57:50.000 They had no idea.

00:57:51.000 They just took a chance.

00:57:53.000 They're like, we have a rough understanding of how much energy is going to be dispersed and how far they...

00:57:57.000 It was way bigger than they thought.

00:58:00.000 Way bigger.

00:58:01.000 Well, Eric Weinstein is actually a big proponent of above-ground...

00:58:04.000 Return to above-ground nuclear testing so that humans can see...

00:58:08.000 What it looks like.

00:58:10.000 What it looks like.

00:58:11.000 Because this is real.

00:58:12.000 Yeah.

00:58:13.000 Yeah, grab some of it.

00:58:14.000 Thank you.

00:58:14.000 Thank you, brother.

00:58:16.000 Yeah, above ground nuclear testing is fucking really dangerous though. 0.87

00:58:21.000 Don't you think we know? 0.98

00:58:23.000 No, we don't.

00:58:24.000 He's saying like with, you know, Will Smith slapping somebody and we get distracted.

00:58:29.000 We need to be reminded what are the actual catastrophic possibilities of the weapons that we have.

00:58:37.000 Many of those...

00:58:38.000 I think that's wine, buddy.

00:58:39.000 Isn't it?

00:58:40.000 Is it really?

00:58:41.000 Oh, cool.

00:58:41.000 Maybe it's good.

00:58:42.000 I bet that's really good.

00:58:43.000 Oh, it's 12 years old.

00:58:44.000 Okay.

00:58:45.000 I only drink anything above 30 years old, but that's fine.

00:58:49.000 You're going to have to slum it, buddy.

00:58:51.000 30-year-old stuff is great.

00:58:53.000 God, it's so smooth.

00:58:55.000 Can you actually tell the difference?

00:58:57.000 Yeah.

00:59:00.000 Unfortunately...

00:59:00.000 That means you've been drinking a good amount.

00:59:03.000 Well, I really love...

00:59:04.000 This is my favorite.

00:59:04.000 My favorite is Buffalo Trace for a couple reasons.

00:59:07.000 One, because it's the oldest continually operating distillery in America.

00:59:11.000 It's literally older than America itself.

00:59:13.000 This is from 1773. But it's also just really good.

00:59:17.000 And the people that make it are awesome.

00:59:19.000 Cheers, my friend.

00:59:23.000 So maybe you could be an expert witness for the Johnny Depp trial on alcohol and drugs.

00:59:30.000 No, I can't be on drugs, because there's too many drugs I'm uninitiated in.

00:59:34.000 Like, no cocaine experience whatsoever.

00:59:37.000 None.

00:59:37.000 Yeah.

00:59:38.000 Yeah.

00:59:38.000 Do you wish there's a part of your life where you've experienced that?

00:59:42.000 No.

00:59:43.000 Because I'm the greatest comedians ever.

00:59:44.000 Listen.

00:59:46.000 Um, it's good.

00:59:48.000 Talking to you. 0.52

00:59:49.000 It's good to get crazy.

00:59:50.000 Yeah.

00:59:51.000 Getting crazy is good for comedians.

00:59:52.000 Like, it's good to get drunk.

00:59:54.000 I have a very specific kind of mind where my ego should not be encouraged.

01:00:01.000 Yeah.

01:00:01.000 But in fact, be squashed as much as possible.

01:00:04.000 Humility should be encouraged at every turn.

01:00:07.000 And what does that to me is marijuana.

01:00:09.000 Marijuana is the perfect drug for me.

01:00:11.000 Because marijuana calms me down, makes me sweeter, much more friendly, much more affectionate, much more kind, much more generous.

01:00:19.000 And more creative.

01:00:20.000 I think about things more.

01:00:22.000 I have an ape mind. 0.84

01:00:24.000 My mind is, you know, I don't want to encourage confidence.

01:00:28.000 I have plenty of that.

01:00:30.000 I'm not looking to do that.

01:00:31.000 I'm looking for the opposite.

01:00:33.000 And just a little bit of anxiety and paranoia.

01:00:35.000 Yeah, I like a little of that.

01:00:36.000 I like a little paranoia.

01:00:38.000 I like it.

01:00:39.000 And you're saying alcohol...

01:00:41.000 Alcohol is just like a social lubricant for me. 0.96

01:00:43.000 It makes me silly.

01:00:45.000 I'm not a mean drunk. 0.61

01:00:46.000 I'm a happy drunk.

01:00:46.000 I get happy.

01:00:47.000 I talk a lot of shit. 1.00

01:00:48.000 I laugh a lot. 0.99

01:00:49.000 I want people to know I love them.

01:00:51.000 I think that's good for me.

01:00:54.000 In moderation.

01:00:56.000 The drunkest I ever get is really on the podcast.

01:00:59.000 Because you're sitting here for hours and hours just drinking and talking.

01:01:03.000 By the way, I regret the Vegas thing where I got really drunk and an empty stomach.

01:01:10.000 I don't remember anything, and I feel like I embarrassed myself deeply.

01:01:13.000 No, you didn't.

01:01:13.000 I've recently spoken a few times with David Goggins, just on the phone and stuff, and I just...

01:01:20.000 Should we tell the whole story?

01:01:23.000 Oh, God.

01:01:24.000 So we go to Schultz's wedding. 1.00

01:01:26.000 Great fucking time. 0.99

01:01:27.000 And we're having a good old time at our boy Schultz's wedding. 1.00

01:01:31.000 It's beautiful.

01:01:32.000 I cried.

01:01:33.000 Can I take a tangent on that?

01:01:35.000 Yes, please.

01:01:36.000 And I think...

01:01:40.000 I have to mention, I mentioned to you before, I'm a huge fan of Bobby Lee.

01:01:43.000 He should be on this podcast.

01:01:45.000 I love Bobby Lee.

01:01:45.000 I saw he was on your show, too.

01:01:47.000 By the way, Bobby Lee's been invited to do my podcast multiple times.

01:01:51.000 Multiple times.

01:01:52.000 But you should get him on.

01:01:53.000 I'm going to have to reach out to him.

01:01:55.000 I feel like he's so...

01:01:57.000 I might have to fly to LA and hold his hand and drag him on a flight.

01:02:01.000 I think he just needs a real invitation.

01:02:03.000 He knows I love him.

01:02:04.000 Because there's been a lot of drama lately, and one of the things that happened was somehow or another my name got entered into this thing, and I don't want to get into it in too much detail, but I'm like, okay, I must call Bobby.

01:02:15.000 And I called him, and I said, listen, I don't know what kind of...

01:02:18.000 I'm just hearing about this nonsense now, but I love you.

01:02:20.000 I would never let anybody talk bad about you.

01:02:23.000 I would never let anybody come on my show and talk bad about you.

01:02:26.000 I think you're an awesome guy.

01:02:27.000 I think you're incredibly talented.

01:02:29.000 And I know that you have fear of, like, performing and putting out a special and stuff like that, but I really think you should because I think you're one of the best comedians alive.

01:02:37.000 And I've said that to him many, many times. 0.94

01:02:39.000 I always give him shit like, when are you going to do a special? 0.99

01:02:42.000 What are you doing? 0.99

01:02:43.000 Because Bobby Lee, like, first of all, his special is so tight because he's been doing the same material for so long. 0.99

01:02:50.000 He's a fucking amazing comedian. 0.98

01:02:51.000 He really is. 0.99

01:02:52.000 But there's also a natural uniqueness to his comedy.

01:02:55.000 I can think of Duncan Trussell.

01:02:57.000 There's certain comedians that just occupy their own space.

01:03:04.000 It's not just that they're funny, but you haven't seen one of those.

01:03:08.000 Right, yes.

01:03:09.000 Duncan's 100% like that.

01:03:10.000 He's 100% Duncan Trussell.

01:03:12.000 Whatever influences he has, his influences are like... 1.00

01:03:18.000 Fucking gurus and weird LSD pioneers. 0.99

01:03:22.000 Those are the type of people that are influenced in his comedy. 1.00

01:03:26.000 But he's...

01:03:27.000 Bobby Lee is...

01:03:31.000 He's a unique case.

01:03:33.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:03:33.000 It would be an amazing podcast to have with him to be on your show.

01:03:37.000 He was great on yours.

01:03:38.000 Yeah, I was also starstruck, which is weird.

01:03:41.000 Certain people you meet, because you've seen them so many times, it hits you like, oh wow, that's a real person too.

01:03:51.000 I was like that when I met you for the first time, but actually many times since.

01:03:58.000 The podcast thing is when you listen to a person, you get to know them really well one way.

01:04:03.000 So he has a really good Tiger Belly podcast.

01:04:07.000 And still, he wasn't invited to Andrew Schultz's wedding.

01:04:11.000 Why was that?

01:04:12.000 What happened there?

01:04:13.000 No, because what Andrew told me is it was between me and Bobby and he chose...

01:04:18.000 No, I'm just kidding.

01:04:20.000 No, I don't know.

01:04:22.000 I think they joke back and forth about it. 1.00

01:04:24.000 They're talking shit. 0.99

01:04:25.000 Because Bobby says he wants to get... 1.00

01:04:27.000 I think he wants to get married just so he can not invite Andrew Johnson back to his wedding.

01:04:32.000 I think that's the joke.

01:04:34.000 Yeah, anyway.

01:04:35.000 So yeah, the wedding.

01:04:36.000 And then we drank.

01:04:37.000 We started drinking...

01:04:39.000 We started drinking.

01:04:40.000 Yeah.

01:04:40.000 And then Whitney had a gig in Vegas and she was going to fly out of Santa Barbara to Vegas.

01:04:48.000 So I talked to my wife and I talked to you and I said, let's go with Whitney to Vegas and we'll fly back tonight.

01:04:54.000 It'll be fun.

01:04:58.000 So, Lex keeps drinking and you have it in your head.

01:05:03.000 Well, there's the push-up contest.

01:05:05.000 I get that first.

01:05:06.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:05:06.000 The push-up contest was in there.

01:05:07.000 But this is the end of the night.

01:05:11.000 Let me just lay this out.

01:05:13.000 Let me lay this out, too.

01:05:14.000 Because at the end of the night, we're supposed to fly back, and there's no jet.

01:05:21.000 So Whitney, they had charted a private jet for Whitney to do a private show with Dana Carvey in this woman's house. 0.98

01:05:31.000 This opulent house in this beautiful community in Vegas.

01:05:34.000 But the whole thing is wild.

01:05:36.000 It's crazy.

01:05:37.000 You're flying in.

01:05:38.000 Come here, ladies and gentlemen.

01:05:39.000 Dana Carvey's here.

01:05:40.000 And you keep drinking.

01:05:42.000 So at the end of the night...

01:05:43.000 Hey, you're making it sound like you're not also drinking heavily.

01:05:46.000 Yeah, but look, at the end of the night, you can tell I got a little slurred in my words.

01:05:49.000 Like, listen, I'm not driving.

01:05:51.000 Oh, hello.

01:05:54.000 I've been out here in Vegas.

01:05:55.000 You sound quite drunk, sir.

01:05:57.000 Yeah, I'm a little drunk.

01:05:58.000 I went to Andrew Schultz's wedding.

01:05:59.000 But it's also three in the morning.

01:06:00.000 I'm really tired, too.

01:06:01.000 Whitney Cummings and my wife and Rex Friedman.

01:06:08.000 And then we went to Vegas.

01:06:13.000 And...

01:06:13.000 Lex...

01:06:16.000 Got a little drunk.

01:06:27.000 Now, I'm not drunk.

01:06:28.000 I'm wide awake.

01:06:29.000 And I'm drinking coffee.

01:06:30.000 My favorite part is the end.

01:06:36.000 Lex is a little drunk. 0.99

01:06:40.000 Where Whitney realizes what the fuck... 1.00

01:06:43.000 She's yelling in the background. 0.99

01:06:45.000 She's like, what? 1.00

01:06:47.000 Did she realize that you're just fucking with me? 0.99

01:06:49.000 No, she's trying to figure out how to get out of there, too, because they were trying to make a decision. 0.99

01:06:53.000 We wound up actually getting a car service to drive us all the way back to L.A. It's like a four-hour drive all the way back to L.A. That was fucking odd. 0.93

01:07:02.000 Out of it. 0.97

01:07:03.000 Yeah, and so Whitney's, like, fucking doing her taxes next to me. 1.00

01:07:06.000 She's wide awake. 0.99

01:07:07.000 My wife fell asleep in the very backseat. 1.00

01:07:09.000 Yeah, she's an interesting person, because, like, amidst all of that, she's on top of shit. 0.99

01:07:14.000 Oh, she's got a lot of energy. 1.00

01:07:17.000 And, like, yeah, being able to manage everything.

01:07:21.000 Yeah.

01:07:22.000 Like, all of these different, like, career things, personal things, all of it.

01:07:26.000 You would think comedians are, like, a little bit disorganized.

01:07:29.000 Not her.

01:07:30.000 No, her brain is very different.

01:07:32.000 Very different than any other comedians that I know.

01:07:35.000 And she's a beautiful person.

01:07:36.000 Like, not just pretty, but like her brain.

01:07:38.000 Like, she's so nice.

01:07:40.000 She really is.

01:07:41.000 She gets caught in conflicts and stuff like that. 0.99

01:07:44.000 And like everyone does, you're dealing with social dynamics and shit. 0.97

01:07:48.000 But she's a really sweet person. 0.97

01:07:50.000 I love her to death.

01:07:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:07:54.000 You got a little fucked up, buddy. 1.00

01:07:55.000 That's what happens in Vegas. 1.00

01:07:56.000 You gotta eat.

01:07:57.000 That's the thing.

01:07:58.000 This whole idea of fasting, that's out the window as soon as you start boozing.

01:08:02.000 You gotta let that go.

01:08:03.000 Because booze is calories, so you're definitely eating something, but you're eating something that says zero nutrition.

01:08:10.000 But you don't realize it, because you think, eventually, I'm sure I'll get some food.

01:08:14.000 But then what alcohol does is it becomes a slippery slope to where you no longer remember food or any of that.

01:08:20.000 You just enjoy the full experience.

01:08:23.000 Just like the conversations with different people along the way.

01:08:26.000 Plus it's Vegas.

01:08:28.000 Yeah, we were having a good time.

01:08:29.000 We did a little gambling.

01:08:31.000 The wife and I lost some money playing blackjack.

01:08:33.000 We're not good at that.

01:08:34.000 I don't know why you thought it was...

01:08:35.000 Is anyone really good in the end?

01:08:38.000 Dana White.

01:08:39.000 He's so good they kick him out of casinos.

01:08:41.000 Blackjack? 0.67

01:08:41.000 Yeah, listen to this story. 0.67

01:08:44.000 This was back when it was the Palms.

01:08:47.000 It's not the Palms anymore, it's something else.

01:08:48.000 The Sands now.

01:08:50.000 He won so much money.

01:08:54.000 I think the most he's ever won in a night is $7 million.

01:08:58.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:09:00.000 Most he ever lost in the night is a million.

01:09:03.000 He's really wealthy.

01:09:04.000 So for him to feel it, to get that charge, he's got to be betting big money.

01:09:08.000 So he won so much money, they told him he's banned from the casino.

01:09:12.000 And he said, oh really?

01:09:14.000 Well, guess what else is banned?

01:09:16.000 And he pulled the UFC out of the palms.

01:09:19.000 So the UFC, we used to do the Ultimate Fighter and some of the smaller shows we'd do at the palms.

01:09:23.000 And he pulled it from the palms. 0.93

01:09:26.000 And then it became like a fucking big to-do. 0.98

01:09:28.000 Because they told him he can't gamble there. 0.98

01:09:31.000 And he's like, oh, guess what else?

01:09:33.000 I can't do here. 1.00

01:09:34.000 I can't have fights here, you fucking idiots. 1.00

01:09:35.000 I didn't know a casino could do that. 1.00

01:09:37.000 They are allowed to do that.

01:09:38.000 Yeah, for no reason other than you're too good at gambling.

01:09:41.000 So you win money.

01:09:43.000 And he's not counting cards.

01:09:44.000 Dana White is not a mathematical genius. 1.00

01:09:47.000 He's just a wild fucking dude who likes to gamble. 0.99

01:09:49.000 He basically probably just keeps increasing the amount of money he's staking. 0.99

01:09:54.000 I don't know.

01:09:54.000 And just walks away when it's a big, big win.

01:09:57.000 I know so little about that kind of gambling, like Vegas gambling.

01:10:01.000 I've been to Vegas so many times.

01:10:03.000 I've gambled, like I said, I gambled with my wife when you were hammered doing push-ups with David Goggins.

01:10:08.000 She and I were playing a little blackjack.

01:10:10.000 Why'd you call David Goggins?

01:10:12.000 Because I love him.

01:10:12.000 I want to see him.

01:10:13.000 He's in town.

01:10:14.000 All right.

01:10:15.000 I didn't call him to embarrass you.

01:10:16.000 Okay, it's just natural.

01:10:17.000 No, listen, I call him when I'm around him.

01:10:19.000 So I say, what are you doing?

01:10:21.000 You know, come meet us.

01:10:22.000 Because he was in town and, you know, I love that guy.

01:10:25.000 Every time I get a chance to be around Goggins, I'm around him.

01:10:28.000 And his wife?

01:10:30.000 She's great too.

01:10:30.000 I mean, the thing I remember about that night is, like, wives or the significant others are, like, I don't know.

01:10:41.000 A healthy relationship is awesome.

01:10:43.000 A healthy relationship brings out the best in you.

01:10:45.000 Yes.

01:10:46.000 Yes.

01:10:47.000 That's possible.

01:10:48.000 This is the push-up contest you guys had.

01:10:52.000 And this guy just joined in.

01:10:54.000 This guy joined in.

01:10:55.000 This guy next to us.

01:10:56.000 There's a lot of people. 1.00

01:10:57.000 And you're saying, get your full fucking body down. 1.00

01:10:59.000 You're cheating. 1.00

01:11:00.000 You're hammering. 0.77

01:11:01.000 You're telling me you're cheating.

01:11:02.000 Oh, boy.

01:11:03.000 So, I called Goggins just to say hi.

01:11:06.000 Just because I always tell him, I always call him when I'm in town.

01:11:09.000 Yeah, I went back to Vegas.

01:11:11.000 You go for UFC, right?

01:11:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and shows and stuff like that, but yeah.

01:11:16.000 They're so, I love the darkness of that place.

01:11:19.000 I went there recently, just walked around the strip, just the characters that are there.

01:11:24.000 It's a wild place.

01:11:25.000 I got to hang out.

01:11:26.000 Do you know Imagine Dragons, the band?

01:11:29.000 There's a lead singer, Dan Reynolds.

01:11:32.000 I hung out with him.

01:11:34.000 He grew up Mormon, and I think there's a lot of that kind of community around Vegas.

01:11:40.000 And it's so interesting that Vegas with the darkness that's in the middle, like in the strip, around there's like a normal city.

01:11:50.000 Yeah!

01:11:50.000 Well, if you go to Henderson, super normal.

01:11:53.000 Yeah.

01:11:54.000 There's a lot of places outside of Vegas that kind of rely on the tourism and all the jazz, but they're really normal.

01:12:01.000 Yeah, and Dan, I don't know.

01:12:05.000 You talked to Black Keys recently.

01:12:08.000 I don't get a chance to interact with many musicians, but a super famous person, obviously, but super normal.

01:12:14.000 It's so exciting and refreshing to see when people are like...

01:12:19.000 I don't know, at the top of the world and they're just normal.

01:12:22.000 There's a lot of them out there.

01:12:23.000 They're sweet.

01:12:24.000 And he's been open about it with depression and stuff like that.

01:12:28.000 So I think psychological struggle is something, struggle of any kind, but deep psychological struggle really humbles you.

01:12:37.000 No matter what.

01:12:38.000 You get to appreciate every single day.

01:12:40.000 Yeah.

01:12:41.000 And that fame doesn't matter.

01:12:44.000 Just being alive, being close to the people you love and all that kind of stuff, you start to realize that's what matters.

01:12:49.000 Well, me and my wife have been having these conversations recently about people that we know now because there's a level of fame you get where other famous people reach out to you and you go hang out with them.

01:12:58.000 Yeah.

01:13:00.000 Why is it funny?

01:13:01.000 It's a funny, almost like a blue checkmark, but for fame.

01:13:06.000 Yeah.

01:13:06.000 No, it's real.

01:13:07.000 I get people reach out to me.

01:13:09.000 You're famous too now.

01:13:10.000 We should talk.

01:13:11.000 Yeah.

01:13:12.000 Well, they know that I'm going to just be a person around them.

01:13:17.000 And also, if they're fans of the podcast, they know that I am just a person.

01:13:21.000 You can't hide three hours a day for thousands of episodes.

01:13:25.000 I think everybody listening to this podcast knows me as well as probably anybody in my life, other than my wife.

01:13:30.000 So it's you get to get an understanding of that person.

01:13:34.000 Then you go, you know what?

01:13:35.000 I think I can hang out with them and it'd be normal.

01:13:37.000 Whereas a regular person would be like, oh my god, Matthew McConaughey!

01:13:41.000 I loved you in Interstellar!

01:13:43.000 You're so amazing!

01:13:44.000 Can I get a selfie?

01:13:45.000 I become friends with Matthew McConaughey.

01:13:48.000 And had dinner with his family and we went to the soccer game the other day.

01:13:52.000 He's a beautiful person.

01:13:53.000 Sweetheart of a guy.

01:13:55.000 Super normal.

01:13:56.000 Like movie star.

01:13:57.000 Oscar winner.

01:13:58.000 Greatest guy.

01:13:59.000 So normal.

01:14:01.000 Like normal.

01:14:02.000 Like you hang out with him.

01:14:03.000 He and I just chill.

01:14:04.000 We talk.

01:14:05.000 Like it's just a guy.

01:14:07.000 But he's a movie star.

01:14:09.000 But he needs someone around him who can also just be normal.

01:14:14.000 And I think most people are just so, like you were with Bobby Lee or you were with me when you first met me, or I was with Anthony Bourdain when I first met Anthony Bourdain. 0.97

01:14:21.000 I was such a fucking dork because I couldn't believe it was him. 0.94

01:14:25.000 I'm hanging out with him and he knows who I am and he likes me. 0.99

01:14:28.000 Oh! 0.60

01:14:29.000 And then he came to see my show, and I'm like, and he told me how funny I was.

01:14:32.000 I'm like, ah!

01:14:32.000 This is crazy!

01:14:34.000 This can't be real!

01:14:36.000 How long did it take you to lose that with Anthony Barney?

01:14:40.000 It took a few hangs.

01:14:42.000 We had a hang a few times.

01:14:43.000 It's just, it was odd.

01:14:45.000 I've deeply admired him while he was alive.

01:14:48.000 I love his thought process and the way he, you know, he wrote all of the narration of No Reservations and then of Parts Unknown.

01:14:56.000 He wrote all that.

01:14:57.000 And he's a brilliant writer on top of being like this amazing just thinker.

01:15:05.000 Like he's capable of, he was capable of Putting that down in a way where the way he flavored these conversations was like the way a great chef would flavor a great meal.

01:15:18.000 It's like there was something to it that was I really admired his His appreciation of creativity and of rebellion and of art and someone who's really good.

01:15:31.000 He wrote in his Twitter bio, it just said, Enthusiast.

01:15:35.000 That's what he was.

01:15:37.000 So it took a while for me to hang with him.

01:15:40.000 But fortunately, I got to hang with him quite often.

01:15:44.000 And maybe not often enough. 0.89

01:15:48.000 Yeah, you know, I just get fucking sad about that one. 0.80

01:15:51.000 That one's a hard one. 0.97

01:15:52.000 That one's a hard one for me because that's a waste.

01:15:54.000 It's just so unnecessary. 0.99

01:15:56.000 It's like you hit a low point and you pulled the chute and the world suffered because of that and his family suffered and his daughter suffered and it's like, fuck man, I know that those feelings are there but you can fight those off and there will be a better day. 0.98

01:16:11.000 This too will pass and there'll be a better day and the thing that helps you in those better days are friends. 0.97

01:16:17.000 And I don't think I was quite close enough to him for him to reach out.

01:16:22.000 But if he did, I think I could have helped.

01:16:24.000 Because I've had a lot of experience with crazy women in my life. 1.00

01:16:27.000 I've had a lot of experience with what he was going through. 0.99

01:16:30.000 And sometimes you need a guy to go, hey man, I'll tell you fucking exactly what's going on. 0.70

01:16:36.000 And there's a lot of these people out there in the world. 0.94

01:16:38.000 And they'll get close to you, and then they'll try to damage you.

01:16:41.000 And they'll try to hurt you because they're hurt. 1.00

01:16:43.000 Because they're fucked up. 1.00

01:16:44.000 And they're fucked up because someone fucked them up. 1.00

01:16:46.000 And it's a fucking endless cycle. 1.00

01:16:49.000 It's almost like a cycle of you hear about people that were molested and then they go on to molest other people. 0.99

01:16:54.000 It's like that kind of a thing.

01:16:56.000 But I think it's probably often difficult to reach out when you're in that state.

01:17:01.000 It's almost impossible. 0.99

01:17:02.000 First of all, you don't think that when you're struggling and you're all fucked up, you feel pathetic and you feel weak. 0.99

01:17:10.000 And you don't want to be a burden to others. 0.99

01:17:11.000 Exactly.

01:17:11.000 That's how you think about it.

01:17:13.000 Well, that's him anyway.

01:17:13.000 He was very independent anyway.

01:17:17.000 Have you ever been to a dark place like that yourself?

01:17:22.000 No.

01:17:22.000 You never thought about suicide?

01:17:24.000 No.

01:17:25.000 No.

01:17:27.000 Not even in the distance?

01:17:28.000 No.

01:17:30.000 Not in my adult life.

01:17:32.000 Maybe I thought about it fake when I was a kid.

01:17:35.000 I was faking it.

01:17:37.000 But as an adult, no.

01:17:41.000 I've had dark moments, obviously.

01:17:43.000 I've had dark public moments, right?

01:17:45.000 But I'm very aware what it is.

01:17:48.000 And I'm very aware that things pass.

01:17:51.000 This too shall pass.

01:17:52.000 You can just wait.

01:17:53.000 Yes.

01:17:53.000 And not only that, but there's value in those experiences.

01:17:56.000 And this is something that really needs to be...

01:17:58.000 It needs to be addressed and you need to understand it is that you will become stronger through your overcoming of these terrible moments.

01:18:10.000 These terrible moments in them is an opportunity for growth.

01:18:15.000 And also, perspective-wise, whatever these terrible moments are, relatively speaking, we're talking about Yemen, we're talking about people that live in the Congo, people that are in the middle of a civil war, these are nothing.

01:18:28.000 And there's that old expression, the worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you.

01:18:32.000 Whether it's you're a spoiled kid who doesn't get the toy that they think they deserve, Or whether you're an adult whose relationship with this woman like Bourdain turned out to be insanely toxic and you're deeply embarrassed and you're going to be exposed because you paid off a child that she was having sex with and you know it's going to come out because you were a vocal proponent of the Me Too movement because you thought it was a good and just thing and you're trying to be a good person and

01:19:02.000 you know and then It's a lot, man.

01:19:06.000 The whole thing was a lot.

01:19:08.000 But it was just, when you lose a great one, and in my opinion, I mean, you've seen the giant artwork I have of him around here.

01:19:16.000 I think he was a great soul.

01:19:19.000 Like a great, creative, innovative, fascinating person.

01:19:23.000 The way he thought, the way he expressed himself.

01:19:26.000 Yeah, there's certain people there, and they're rare, it seems like, It's almost like Conor S. Thompson or somebody like that.

01:19:33.000 They are able to reveal a culture of a place, like the spirit of a place when they show up.

01:19:39.000 And that means, I mean, he was, I guess, talking about food, but it's much bigger than that.

01:19:42.000 It's really culture that he talked about.

01:19:44.000 The food was like a vehicle to get into the culture.

01:19:47.000 And he was really interested in exploring these cultures and talking to these people, and he just loved it.

01:19:53.000 Vietnam was one of his favorite places.

01:19:55.000 He always talked about Vietnam.

01:19:56.000 It made me want to go.

01:19:58.000 There were so many places that he was always visiting.

01:20:02.000 But one of the things that really bonded us was while we were friends, he became addicted to jiu-jitsu.

01:20:09.000 And then, then we became, like, closer.

01:20:13.000 Because then we were hanging out.

01:20:14.000 He would ask me questions.

01:20:15.000 We were on a pheasant hunt in Montana, and we were rolling around on the ground.

01:20:20.000 I'm showing the Japanese necktie to him.

01:20:22.000 Because I'm explaining to him, like, if you can't sink a darse up, I'm like, you've got long arms. 0.98

01:20:26.000 I'm like, you've got to learn the Japanese necktie. 0.97

01:20:27.000 So we're, like, rolling around on the fucking ground, and I'm explaining the Japanese necktie to him. 0.97

01:20:32.000 So I'll never forget that. 0.98

01:20:33.000 It was fun.

01:20:35.000 Yeah, discovering the human's chest.

01:20:37.000 Well, it's also the vulnerability that you are acutely aware of.

01:20:43.000 It's so honest.

01:20:44.000 It's unlike anything else in terms of honesty.

01:20:48.000 It's like being smacked in the face over and over.

01:20:52.000 Just like the embarrassment of it, the brutality of it somehow connects you to your animal origins.

01:21:01.000 Because the closest for most of us we'll ever get to death is being choked out.

01:21:04.000 Yeah.

01:21:05.000 Yeah.

01:21:06.000 Or, you know, heel hooked or, you know, anything.

01:21:09.000 Like, you're going to be crippled, then someone can do whatever they want to you. 0.75

01:21:11.000 It's a spiritual game.

01:21:16.000 You're playing a game that doesn't just test your body, it tests your spirit.

01:21:20.000 Remember, some of my favorite people are very good at jiu-jitsu.

01:21:23.000 It's because I think they'd learn something from that.

01:21:26.000 You know who just started doing jiu-jitsu?

01:21:29.000 Who?

01:21:29.000 Mark Zuckerberg.

01:21:30.000 Get the fuck out of here! 0.99

01:21:32.000 I told him you should come down to Austin and roll. 1.00

01:21:34.000 I told him that you're a bit injured.

01:21:37.000 I'll roll with him.

01:21:38.000 I don't have to be 100% to roll.

01:21:39.000 Well, white belts are dangerous. 1.00

01:21:41.000 Are they really? 0.91

01:21:42.000 Well, white belts in general, they get very excited.

01:21:45.000 Yeah.

01:21:45.000 Especially you roll with Joe Rogan or somebody like that or with me.

01:21:48.000 Yeah.

01:21:48.000 You get very excited.

01:21:50.000 Well, he went on a period of time for like a whole year where he killed his food.

01:21:55.000 Everything he ate, he killed.

01:21:56.000 Did you know about that?

01:21:57.000 No, I didn't know that.

01:21:57.000 Yeah, like he had chickens and I think he did a little bit of hunting.

01:22:01.000 He went for a period of, I believe he made a goal for one year.

01:22:06.000 All the meat that he ate was something that he killed.

01:22:08.000 Yeah, actually, I mean, he did extreme sports and so on.

01:22:11.000 I got a chance to meet him and talk with him and hang out with him and talk with him a lot after.

01:22:16.000 He seemed like a normal person.

01:22:18.000 Well, you know, you can only be so normal if you're running Facebook.

01:22:22.000 But as far as being a normal person in that context, I bet.

01:22:28.000 Well, no, I've interacted with a lot of tech leaders, and a lot of them are not quite normal.

01:22:34.000 That's a political way of phrasing it.

01:22:36.000 I just felt that the human being is compassionate.

01:22:44.000 It's the small things, the details.

01:22:46.000 The way he's presented is robotic.

01:22:49.000 But the way he pays attention to people and people that work with him, for him, just small details, the kindness he has, it's interesting.

01:23:00.000 I mean, I didn't expect that because the public paints him as a kind of maybe, not necessarily a monster, but somebody who's almost like a sociopath or something like that, who's not able to feel other beings.

01:23:13.000 And he did not, that's not how he came off.

01:23:16.000 What that shows to me is, you know, Facebook is a machine.

01:23:22.000 And perhaps the leaders of the machine don't necessarily have power to control the machine always.

01:23:30.000 Right.

01:23:31.000 I don't know.

01:23:32.000 I don't know.

01:23:32.000 I don't know what that shows to me.

01:23:33.000 How much power do you have?

01:23:34.000 I mean, how much can you have?

01:23:35.000 You have how many hundreds of thousands of employees worldwide?

01:23:39.000 Well, I think it actually has to do with how much power you want to take.

01:23:43.000 Which is like, there are certain leaders like Elon or Steve Jobs that I think like to be in control.

01:23:52.000 And they like to make big decisions and revolutionary decisions.

01:23:56.000 Saying, no, no, no.

01:23:56.000 The way we've been doing things, let's change completely.

01:23:59.000 Let's change the direction of the company completely.

01:24:02.000 His bid for Twitter.

01:24:04.000 You know, having the sort of...

01:24:06.000 The character and the guts to go in and say, we're going to change the way things are done completely.

01:24:12.000 That's a certain kind of personality.

01:24:16.000 I think those are the kind of personalities that lead to the creation of great businesses, that lead to the pivoting of businesses that are becoming stale into becoming great businesses again.

01:24:28.000 So I think that we admire those people, but they have also sort of downsides of You know, yelling and being passionate and being, you know, anger issues, all those kinds of things.

01:24:38.000 If you're polite, that's a difficult thing.

01:24:42.000 You know, how much politeness, kindness, and compassion do you want in a leader of a company?

01:24:47.000 Because if you're too polite, you're going to have corporate structure that's going to just become stale.

01:24:52.000 There's going to be momentum.

01:24:54.000 You know, you see that in Silicon Valley with a bit too much wokeism taking over.

01:25:00.000 Well, have you seen some of those Project Veritas videos of the people that work at Twitter that were secretly filmed discussing what it's like there?

01:25:08.000 Yeah, I mean, obviously they...

01:25:09.000 It's...

01:25:11.000 Yeah.

01:25:11.000 Yes, I know, but that's...

01:25:13.000 What you just did is, yeah.

01:25:14.000 This, that's the problem I have with all of it.

01:25:18.000 Well, with all of it on all sides, though.

01:25:20.000 Yeah, but I mean, with all of it, like these people being interviewed, like, without their knowledge, they think they're on dates.

01:25:27.000 Right. 0.99

01:25:28.000 They're drinking, stupid shit gets said, and then, you know, he confronts them at a restaurant. 1.00

01:25:34.000 I think that's unfair, and it's clickbait, and so on. 1.00

01:25:37.000 But it's also representative of a culture.

01:25:41.000 And it's also an expose of a culture that has immense power.

01:25:46.000 And so if you can get these rare windows into how it actually functions, that might be the only way to do it, is to get these people in these intimate moments where they're candid, where they don't know that they're being recorded.

01:25:57.000 And they say things and you get an understanding of the fact that you could just take time off whenever you don't feel well, mentally.

01:26:03.000 You could take a week off, you could take a month off, no one cares.

01:26:05.000 And that the entire operation is essentially, they think that they're communists.

01:26:12.000 And that they think that, you know, capitalism is inherently bad and that these are the people that are running the discourse of the biggest social media site in terms of the ability to disseminate information the world's ever known.

01:26:24.000 And it's not necessarily what they believe.

01:26:26.000 What bothers me the most is the arrogance that they can know the truth or they can know what is and isn't misinformation.

01:26:34.000 I think it's okay to be whatever, a capitalist or a communist, as long as you have a deep humility about your understanding of the world.

01:26:45.000 And you're not trying to enforce those ideals on other people.

01:26:47.000 You might bring them up as part of a conversation, but you have a sense that you might be very wrong, and that's the kind of humility you have to bring to the table, and then that's where you have to have actual diversity of ideas at the table.

01:27:00.000 That's why I think Elon is a really good pushback at Twitter against the sort of woke culture, corporate culture that emerged in Silicon Valley.

01:27:10.000 I admire the man for doing that.

01:27:14.000 I think he brought onto himself a lot of political division and hate that comes with the political division, saying he's not going to vote Democrat anymore.

01:27:25.000 You just entered the political domain.

01:27:28.000 Well, he openly stated he's going to vote Republican, too.

01:27:31.000 It's not like he said, I'm a libertarian from here on out.

01:27:34.000 So I'm throwing my vote away, essentially.

01:27:36.000 Not really, but kind of.

01:27:39.000 Vote.

01:27:40.000 Now you're pissing off David Smith.

01:27:42.000 I think he's running for office, actually, under the libertarian.

01:27:46.000 David?

01:27:46.000 Where?

01:27:47.000 No, for president.

01:27:49.000 Dave?

01:27:50.000 Yeah, Smith, the comedian.

01:27:51.000 2024?

01:27:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:27:53.000 Is he for sure?

01:27:54.000 I didn't know he announced.

01:27:55.000 No, I don't know if he's announced, but he's flirting with the announcement.

01:27:58.000 I mean...

01:27:59.000 He knows a lot.

01:28:00.000 Very, very intelligent.

01:28:02.000 I think, self-admittedly, he says he doesn't care about winning, which is exactly the kind of people that should probably run or actually win.

01:28:10.000 You need very unique human beings to take on any of those jobs and do it in a compassionate...

01:28:17.000 Humanitarian beneficial way for the society at large because it's going to be at a detriment to you and I think part of the problem with politicians as we know them is that they do things for the benefit of themselves that are ultimately at a detriment for their constituents because they're doing things and they get corrupted by money like money comes in and you know they start you know moving in this way or that way depending upon their relationships and this sort of And money is delicious,

01:28:48.000 power is delicious, and then there's assholes that start criticizing the press and you want to suppress them.

01:28:53.000 And then you get Navalny, I think yesterday, just got nine years in prison. 0.99

01:29:02.000 Navalny, you know, in Russia.

01:29:04.000 Yeah.

01:29:05.000 Probably the second most popular political figure in Russia.

01:29:09.000 What did he do?

01:29:10.000 What was his...

01:29:11.000 So, I mean, obviously there's several narratives here.

01:29:15.000 So Navalny is a critic, outspoken, extremely popular critic of Putin and the Putin regime.

01:29:23.000 I think what he's in prison for is some kind of fraud.

01:29:31.000 Even fact checking me on this is very difficult to figure out.

01:29:35.000 But I think the official thing is there's some kind of movement of money that did not follow law.

01:29:43.000 I don't know the exact details.

01:29:46.000 Navalny was already serving a jail term.

01:29:48.000 He addressed the court.

01:29:49.000 The point is, they're not going to tell you here.

01:29:50.000 You're not going to get clear articles on either side. 0.99

01:29:54.000 Most of the Western press are going to tell you it's all bullshit. 0.97

01:29:56.000 But there might be some truth of the fraud, but it doesn't matter. 0.99

01:29:59.000 Obviously, he does not deserve any of this.

01:30:04.000 Most people believed he would actually die, be murdered, you know, suicided.

01:30:10.000 Like our good friend Jeffrey Epstein.

01:30:13.000 You're a good friend, sorry. 1.00

01:30:15.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:30:17.000 I had an opportunity to meet that guy once. 1.00

01:30:19.000 You did?

01:30:20.000 Yeah.

01:30:21.000 Yeah, somebody invited me to go to lunch with him. 1.00

01:30:23.000 I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.98

01:30:25.000 Oh, you didn't actually go? 0.99

01:30:27.000 No.

01:30:27.000 Okay.

01:30:28.000 This was after he'd been arrested.

01:30:30.000 Before he'd been arrested a second time, but after he'd been arrested the first time.

01:30:36.000 A lot of people did.

01:30:37.000 He had parties at his house where celebrities went and scientists went.

01:30:42.000 This was post being arrested.

01:30:46.000 He had some sort of a weird jail sentence where he was house arrest.

01:30:52.000 I've gotten a bunch of invites to parties over the past few months.

01:30:59.000 And I've gotten a chance to meet rich people.

01:31:02.000 I'm very suspicious about these people.

01:31:05.000 You should be.

01:31:06.000 I don't know if the weird people become rich.

01:31:11.000 Or does wealth make you weird?

01:31:13.000 I don't know if there's a...

01:31:14.000 There's a weirdness.

01:31:16.000 There's something...

01:31:18.000 Your basic calculus of morals seems to become corrupted over time.

01:31:24.000 And not necessarily in an evil direction, in a weird direction.

01:31:27.000 All kinds of weird options. 0.99

01:31:29.000 Eyes wide shut type shit? 1.00

01:31:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:31:32.000 Why don't we all wear masks and go naked?

01:31:36.000 It's like that kind of stuff.

01:31:37.000 It makes me feel like I'm not on sturdy ground in terms of what is good and what is evil.

01:31:47.000 The same thing with Ukraine and Russia.

01:31:51.000 I've been getting so much information from so many people that is so heartfelt, both actual journalistic information and spoken information from people.

01:32:02.000 The same thing, like, racism in America, right?

01:32:05.000 You have the BLM movement, you have African American people on Clubhouse or wherever I get a chance to speak with them.

01:32:10.000 There's a particular message.

01:32:12.000 Like, there's significant institutional racism in America.

01:32:16.000 And then you listen to, like, Douglas Murray or whoever is saying, no, let's look at the data.

01:32:21.000 Like, you have to be very rigorous and analytical about this, and there's not institutional racism or something like that.

01:32:28.000 And you listen to both these, like, groups that are very passionate about this, and you don't know exactly what the truth is.

01:32:35.000 You have to kind of think, you have to keep an open mind, have a humility, read, try to control your emotions, all that kind of stuff.

01:32:41.000 I'm trying to do that with Ukraine and Russia and China and India and Western press, and I'm trying to do that with these weird elites who are, like, you know, that I'm not exactly sure.

01:32:53.000 Like, I'm really afraid of becoming corrupted, either by fame or money, all that kind of stuff.

01:32:59.000 Does that naturally happen to people?

01:33:01.000 Do you become weird?

01:33:02.000 I still hang out with comedians, man.

01:33:04.000 Yeah, I think comedians are...

01:33:05.000 I hang out with comedians and fighters.

01:33:07.000 I mean, that's most of my friends.

01:33:09.000 I have a few bow hunter friends, comedians, martial artists.

01:33:14.000 That's just...

01:33:15.000 I find them to be the most inquisitive people, the people of the best character.

01:33:21.000 I like them.

01:33:22.000 They're real.

01:33:23.000 I wouldn't trust Tim Dillon with power or fame.

01:33:27.000 I'm trying to make him president.

01:33:29.000 Yeah.

01:33:30.000 You do realize once you do, he'll turn on you.

01:33:32.000 I don't care.

01:33:33.000 And destroy everything you stand for.

01:33:34.000 It's okay.

01:33:35.000 Good luck.

01:33:37.000 But I know what you're saying about the elites, and I think part of it is there's a thrill about being able to do things that other people can't do.

01:33:47.000 There's a thrill about...

01:33:49.000 One of the things you hear...

01:33:52.000 About, like, elites is that, like, sometimes they'll have these parties and then the help will be the ones who talk about it, like the people that are the caterers or the people that are the maids.

01:34:04.000 And it's like the arrogance to be naked with a crow mask on wandering around the maid. 0.89

01:34:10.000 Like, what is that?

01:34:12.000 Well, it's like part of what they want is they want someone who's not them to observe the How much freedom they have and how the rules don't apply to them.

01:34:23.000 It's like something they want.

01:34:25.000 I think that's like why people like to take photos in front of private jets.

01:34:29.000 It's like, I'm not doing what you're doing.

01:34:31.000 I'm doing something different.

01:34:32.000 Look at me. 0.99

01:34:33.000 Look at me here with my Gucci bag and my fur coat about to step on a fucking... 1.00

01:34:37.000 Giant jet. 1.00

01:34:39.000 And if you cross, if you break, like, moral rules, that's exciting, because look at you all, suckers following your morality. 0.99

01:34:46.000 We can break that. 0.78

01:34:47.000 And then when you break legal rules, like, I mean, that's what probably Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell got off on.

01:34:54.000 It's like, we don't have to follow society's rules. 1.00

01:34:57.000 Fuck them. 1.00

01:34:57.000 Or they were intelligence and they subverted, they attracted that aspect of these people. 1.00

01:35:05.000 You know, Eric said something to me once, Weinstein.

01:35:07.000 He said, I think there are people that try to curate experiences for other people that are too high profile.

01:35:17.000 And so the way they do that is to get comfortable with them, Get them comfortable to relax their guard.

01:35:25.000 And then, of course, with heterosexual men, bring them around women. 0.80

01:35:29.000 With homosexual, bring them around men that are there to please them. 1.00

01:35:34.000 Like, there are scenarios where people have hired people to go...

01:35:39.000 Like, for instance, I know of influencer parties they had in L.A. where they would hire hot models. 0.90

01:35:45.000 They would hire them to just be friendly to everybody.

01:35:49.000 You didn't have to have sex with the guests, but the idea was you would have, like...

01:35:53.000 A hundred gorgeous women at this party of 500 people. 1.00

01:35:56.000 And these gorgeous women were literally hired to walk around and be friendly to people. 1.00

01:36:03.000 You know, and just make it so it's a thrilling experience to dorks.

01:36:08.000 It's so weird.

01:36:09.000 It's so weird.

01:36:10.000 It's weird.

01:36:11.000 That's why I don't talk to women. 1.00

01:36:12.000 I assume they're CIA or FSB. All of them.

01:36:16.000 But, I mean, that's what Epstein did. 0.99

01:36:18.000 He had a fucking island and he would fly these beautiful, I don't want to say women, because some of them weren't women, some of them were girls, and fly them there. 1.00

01:36:29.000 And he curated these experiences and by all accounts, there was at least some connection To intelligence, whether it was foreign or domestic, there was some sort of a connection to intelligence agencies. 0.99

01:36:46.000 And they used this sort of very relaxed social climate.

01:36:50.000 I don't know if drugs were involved.

01:36:52.000 I'm assuming alcohol was involved.

01:36:54.000 And then sex was involved.

01:36:57.000 So do you lean towards believing that intelligence seeks that kind of influence?

01:37:04.000 100%.

01:37:05.000 They always have.

01:37:06.000 If you go to Operation Mockingbird...

01:37:08.000 They haven't always have.

01:37:10.000 They've had examples throughout history, but the question is the scale.

01:37:15.000 The scale of their operation is the question I have.

01:37:18.000 Well, wouldn't you want...

01:37:20.000 If you had someone who had ultimate power, like a president, right?

01:37:25.000 Someone that...

01:37:26.000 Wouldn't anyone get a little something on them?

01:37:28.000 Get a little something on them?

01:37:30.000 Can I influence them one way or another?

01:37:31.000 Me, personally?

01:37:32.000 No.

01:37:33.000 I don't mean you.

01:37:34.000 I mean, if you were in this sort of geopolitical game, a lot of it is about relationships and influence, right?

01:37:41.000 There's decisions that can be made one way or another, and sometimes you make these decisions based on the relationships that you have, based on the influence, based on what the other people around you are also being influenced by these groups.

01:37:53.000 Yeah.

01:37:53.000 And you go in one way or another, and you can shift things so that one group of people make enormous amounts of money, or one group of people, their business dies.

01:38:04.000 This is a weird game of 4D chess. 0.76

01:38:09.000 But how many people, that's what I ask of myself, how many people are willing to cross the line of compromising others, installing shit on- It's funny people. 0.99

01:38:20.000 Secret CIA files say staffers committed sex crimes involving children. 1.00

01:38:25.000 What the fuck is this? 0.99

01:38:27.000 Declassified CIA Inspector General reports show a pattern of abuse and a repeated decision by federal prosecutors not to hold agency personnel accountable. 0.99

01:38:37.000 What is this about?

01:38:39.000 I heard about this recently.

01:38:41.000 This article came out in December, so it's not new.

01:38:45.000 I feel like it's 10 different employees that are contractors.

01:38:49.000 Committed sexual crimes involving children.

01:38:52.000 Though most of these cases referred to U.S. attorneys for prosecution, only one of the individuals was ever charged with a crime.

01:38:58.000 Prosecutors sent the rest of the cases back to the CIA to handle internally, meaning few faced any consequences beyond the possible loss of their jobs and security clearances.

01:39:08.000 That marks a striking deviation from how sex crimes involving children have been handled at other federal agencies such as Department of Homeland Security.

01:39:16.000 The Drug Enforcement Administration's CIA insiders say the agency resists prosecutions of its staff for fear the cases will reveal state secrets.

01:39:26.000 That makes sense.

01:39:29.000 That said, the Catholic Church is doing a much larger scale operation.

01:39:35.000 Well, that seems to be just a function of how they operate.

01:39:40.000 It seems so prevalent that, I mean, you know, when Pope Benedict was removed...

01:39:48.000 He was being wanted by other countries for crimes against humanity.

01:39:51.000 From what I understand, he's trapped in the Vatican, which is essentially its own country.

01:39:56.000 It doesn't have extradition, which is very weird, because it's a small country that's a few city blocks inside of Italy.

01:40:04.000 Yeah, but there's probably a definitive power hierarchy, and you can control people.

01:40:08.000 It's basically like a nice version of the mob.

01:40:11.000 But it's also, there's something, we were talking about like...

01:40:14.000 No disrespect.

01:40:16.000 No disrespect to the mom. 0.74

01:40:17.000 To the Catholic Church.

01:40:21.000 We were talking about people who get molested, like boys who get molested when they're young by men, oftentimes will molest other boys.

01:40:29.000 This is a horrible, it's almost like, I've always thought about it, it's like I wonder if it's where the concept of being a vampire comes from.

01:40:40.000 Like you're stealing life.

01:40:42.000 And that you, by biting someone, you turn them into that.

01:40:46.000 That's almost like an analogy of that or a metaphor of that.

01:40:52.000 It's a crazy thing that it happens so often.

01:40:56.000 One of the things you hear about when men are molested when they're children, that they'll go on, like a lot of these guys who molest children, they're molested when they were children. 0.96

01:41:06.000 A lot of these men who go to rape boys, like these Catholic priests were molested by other Catholic priests. 0.96

01:41:15.000 And it's almost a thing that carries on. 0.98

01:41:18.000 Abuse and trauma propagates through the generations.

01:41:21.000 It's strange.

01:41:22.000 It's hard to stop the cycle.

01:41:25.000 And there's also probably an insane amount of power psychologically that's involved in doing something to someone that was done to you when you were a boy. 1.00

01:41:36.000 It's fucking dark shit, but when you find out the prevalence of it in the Catholic Church, it's like, holy shit! 1.00

01:41:45.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:41:45.000 There was one guy that Pope Benedict had moved from one place to another place because that's what they would do. 1.00

01:41:54.000 They would catch these guys molesting children.

01:41:56.000 They move them somewhere else.

01:41:57.000 And this one priest went on to molest a hundred deaf kids.

01:42:03.000 They brought him to a place where the kids were deaf so he could apparently do it and there would be less likelihood of them...

01:42:10.000 I mean, if you went over the history of the Catholic Church from whatever, as far back as you could find, what are the numbers, man?

01:42:20.000 I mean, is there another organization that's so inexorably tied to child molesting, like the Catholic Church?

01:42:26.000 I mean, they're pretty open.

01:42:29.000 I've actually spoken to a priest recently.

01:42:31.000 They're pretty open to sort of acknowledging the fact that if you're somebody who's a pedophile, What better way to get access to children than to become a priest?

01:42:44.000 So it's not that necessarily...

01:42:47.000 I mean, that's their defense about saying, like, there's, you know, taking the vow of celibacy is not the thing that creates pedophiles.

01:42:56.000 What creates pedophiles is that oftentimes pedophiles will become priests just so they can get access to children.

01:43:04.000 Well, not just access to children, but access to children where they are the representatives of God.

01:43:09.000 So they have power over the parents.

01:43:11.000 They have power over the church.

01:43:12.000 It's dark.

01:43:13.000 It's dark, man.

01:43:14.000 And another one is daycare.

01:43:19.000 Most daycare places are run by caring people who love children.

01:43:23.000 But occasionally, someone will get involved in daycare that wants to be around children to sexually abuse them.

01:43:30.000 That's what happened with Cain Velasquez with his son.

01:43:34.000 I mean, this is just, it's not a blanket statement you could say about people who run daycares.

01:43:41.000 It's not.

01:43:42.000 But, man, when it comes to Catholic Church, it's so prevalent and so hidden.

01:43:49.000 I mean, when I was living in New Jersey when I was in first grade, I was in Catholic school.

01:43:55.000 We had heard stuff.

01:43:57.000 You would hear things.

01:43:58.000 You would hear something that happened to your uncle or something that happened to this boy.

01:44:03.000 You would hear things like, stay away from this priest.

01:44:06.000 Don't be alone with this guy.

01:44:09.000 A friend of mine literally had to run away.

01:44:12.000 He had some sort of a thing like a sporting event where he was in Catholic school where the priest made him stay with him in the same room.

01:44:21.000 And he was literally running away from him in the room.

01:44:25.000 I think he was like pre-teen.

01:44:29.000 I forget how old he was.

01:44:31.000 But I remember him saying how terrified he was. 0.99

01:44:33.000 He was running from this fucking priest that he couldn't believe it was real. 0.99

01:44:38.000 And then the same thing with coaches and athletes. 1.00

01:44:40.000 Yes.

01:44:41.000 There's a lot of stories of that.

01:44:43.000 Again, you have the power over an athlete, a young athlete, a teenage athlete.

01:44:47.000 How about that doctor that molested all the children that were...

01:44:49.000 The gymnasts.

01:44:50.000 The gymnasts, yeah.

01:44:51.000 Yeah, it doesn't mean that all doctors who take care of children do that.

01:44:56.000 Of course not.

01:44:57.000 But if you wanted access, if you had that horrible thing and you wanted access to children, what better way?

01:45:06.000 And we don't often, or don't talk about it enough.

01:45:09.000 There's certain atrocities we don't talk about as much as others.

01:45:12.000 Yeah, well that's one that people tell, I know people who are molested by Catholic priests where their parents told them not to tell anybody.

01:45:19.000 Yeah.

01:45:20.000 There's a lot of that, man.

01:45:22.000 There's a lot of that.

01:45:23.000 That has to do with the shooting we had yesterday.

01:45:25.000 That's what I was wondering.

01:45:26.000 So there's all this political debate about gun control and all that kind of stuff.

01:45:31.000 I wonder how much role there is, how much responsibility there is on the press not to cover it.

01:45:39.000 In terms of, like, making the person famous?

01:45:42.000 Yeah.

01:45:42.000 Or even that, like, the location or anything.

01:45:47.000 Maybe the fact that it happened is important to talk about.

01:45:50.000 But I wonder what it would look like, what the world would look like if it was illegal to report on it or something like that.

01:45:57.000 Or there was a culture of not reporting on it.

01:45:59.000 How could that be possible, though?

01:46:01.000 I don't know.

01:46:02.000 Because it's an atrocity and that needs to be taken into consideration when people talk about gun control, when they talk about psychological problems that people have, all sorts of psychological disorders that people have, medicines that people are on.

01:46:18.000 There's a question of correlation versus causation, right?

01:46:21.000 A lot of these people are on disassociatives or they're on psychotropic medicine.

01:46:26.000 Is that causing them to be able to do that? 0.97

01:46:29.000 Is it just because they're fucked up already and that's why they're on this medication? 0.99

01:46:33.000 If you look at the number of school shooters and mass shooters that are on psychiatric medication, it's astounding. 0.99

01:46:42.000 But that's usually not talked about in those terms, right?

01:46:45.000 Right.

01:46:46.000 In Buffalo, it's talked about the racial aspect of it.

01:46:51.000 It's a hate crime.

01:46:53.000 Right.

01:46:53.000 And then here in Texas, it's talked about...

01:46:56.000 I mean, they politicized it immediately about gun control.

01:46:59.000 Yeah.

01:47:00.000 And so it seems like there's an over-the-top artificial drama conjured up by the press to get more attention versus sort of properly putting this thing in its context.

01:47:13.000 And this...

01:47:14.000 I think any one event deserves the press it gets, but...

01:47:21.000 It's worthwhile thinking about the fact that, not the fact, but I think every coverage increases the chance of it happening again.

01:47:30.000 Yeah, it does. 0.95

01:47:31.000 Because it plants that idea into the minds of young people that this is, you know, it sucks being young. 0.99

01:47:39.000 It sucks being human, first of all. 0.96

01:47:40.000 You go, especially drugs, depression, life can be a struggle. 0.99

01:47:46.000 And nobody gives a fuck. 0.99

01:47:48.000 You can feel like nobody gives a fuck about you. 0.99

01:47:52.000 You can feel angry. 0.83

01:47:53.000 You can feel lost and hopeless and all those kinds of things.

01:47:57.000 And that can manifest itself in wanting to be heard by the world.

01:48:02.000 Yeah.

01:48:03.000 So you can understand that sort of imperative.

01:48:05.000 And if the press tells you that this is one way to be heard, I think that a different message is better.

01:48:11.000 First of all, a message that all of us struggle.

01:48:14.000 That life can be hard.

01:48:17.000 And then a message of health, of sort of this too shall pass, of challenging yourself, of being optimistic about the future, of Trying to grow, trying to survive,

01:48:32.000 whatever the hell you're feeling, going through, trying to survive that, and growing from that, all of those things.

01:48:38.000 As opposed to, sort of like, nobody cares about you.

01:48:41.000 Nobody cares about you if you're struggling, nobody cares about you if you're on medication, all those kinds of things, and you get side effects that are resulting in all kinds of sort of mental or physical struggles.

01:48:56.000 I just feel like the press wants the drama Of the shooting.

01:49:02.000 They're hungry for that drama.

01:49:04.000 I see that with Ukraine.

01:49:05.000 And what worries me about Ukraine as well is that the press will move on from the war in Ukraine.

01:49:12.000 And then the war will still be going on.

01:49:14.000 And they will no longer care.

01:49:17.000 And there was just a temporary moment of time where it could be used between the Johnny Depp trial and the Will Smith slap to get the world's attention.

01:49:28.000 And the suffering of the humanitarian crisis will continue, as it does in Yemen and Syria.

01:49:33.000 There's something that seems to be broken about that kind of mechanism of jumping from point to point to point, and nobody's talking about the nuclear war.

01:49:43.000 When you're dealing with a school shooter type situation, how else would you address it?

01:49:52.000 We want to find out what's wrong with this kid.

01:49:55.000 He's dead, so you can't interview him.

01:49:57.000 What caused it?

01:49:59.000 Will we get an understanding of it?

01:50:01.000 Do you hold the parents responsible?

01:50:03.000 Like, what if you find out the parents were horribly abusive?

01:50:06.000 Or what if you find out this is the product of schizophrenia, of bullying in school?

01:50:12.000 Like, how does one address it?

01:50:15.000 I wrote this thing once that I said this country has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem.

01:50:20.000 And that's what it is.

01:50:23.000 There's so many guns.

01:50:25.000 There's more guns than there are people.

01:50:27.000 I don't think it's a gun situation.

01:50:29.000 And I don't think you can change the fact that there's...

01:50:31.000 And I don't think it's wise to take the guns away from the people and leave all the power to the government.

01:50:35.000 We see how they are even with an armed populace.

01:50:38.000 They still have a tendency towards totalitarianism.

01:50:43.000 And the more increased power and control you have over people, the easier it is for them to do what they do.

01:50:49.000 And there's a natural inclination when you are a person in power to try to hold more power and acquire more power.

01:50:54.000 And it's never, there's never an inclination to give more power back to the people, to give more freedoms back to the people.

01:51:00.000 Freedom's loss are rarely regained.

01:51:03.000 And so, the situation is, should you be able to own a gun to defend yourself if you're a law-abiding citizen and you know that the police are horribly understaffed, and you know that crime and violence are real things, and I,

01:51:18.000 you know, I personally know people have been robbed.

01:51:20.000 I know people who've had home invasions.

01:51:23.000 I know people that have been in gunfights.

01:51:25.000 What should we do?

01:51:27.000 Should you leave these people unarmed and to be at the mercy of a criminal?

01:51:33.000 Or what should we do? 0.99

01:51:36.000 Should we red flag any kid who writes an awful poem or draw something fucked up on his notebook? 0.96

01:51:44.000 That discussion comes up in terms of basically NSA-style surveillance. 0.96

01:51:49.000 Anybody that posts a gun, should you be allowed to post pictures of guns?

01:51:53.000 Because the kid, this particular gentleman, I think on his 18th birthday got two ARs, two rifles.

01:52:01.000 From his family?

01:52:02.000 No, he bought it.

01:52:03.000 He bought them.

01:52:05.000 Which is a lot of people are asking.

01:52:07.000 I vaguely pay attention to the details, but you're talking about...

01:52:10.000 So for ammunition, it's pretty expensive.

01:52:13.000 And so he somehow was able to afford two rifles and ammunition.

01:52:18.000 There's complexities around that.

01:52:20.000 But there's a lot of people saying, well, you should red flag it if it's...

01:52:26.000 If you post pictures of guns or have any kind of the symptoms of somebody that might be able to commit this kind of crime, but that's pushing surveillance.

01:52:34.000 Well, what about people that are just gun enthusiasts?

01:52:36.000 Right.

01:52:37.000 People that love handguns the way some people love watches.

01:52:41.000 There's people that are enthusiasts of...

01:52:44.000 Gun engineering.

01:52:46.000 And that's most of them.

01:52:48.000 The vast majority of them.

01:52:50.000 So it's a much more mental health problem.

01:52:52.000 And it's also, in the full context of things, and this is a tragedy, but there's also an element to this.

01:53:02.000 That it's a tragedy the way a hurricane is a tragedy.

01:53:05.000 That there is cruel things happening in this world.

01:53:08.000 There's tragic, unexpected, dark things happening in this world.

01:53:13.000 And it's dangerous to generalize from those problems into something like what I hear about is a race war.

01:53:21.000 Or there's a gun control problem.

01:53:24.000 As people sort of leverage these tragedies to make some kind of political statement.

01:53:28.000 Some kind of societal statement.

01:53:30.000 Versus... 1.00

01:53:31.000 Dark evil shit happens in this world. 0.99

01:53:34.000 I think also people try to formulate solutions to problems as if these problems have a limited amount of variables. 0.99

01:53:43.000 Like if you have a hundred people and you have a gun violence problem versus 330 million people.

01:53:53.000 That have all sorts of problems, all sorts of issues with their past, psychology and fucking abuse and trauma, medicine and psychoactive drugs and psychiatric disorders. 0.64

01:54:08.000 I think you just described Johnny Depp and Amber Heard. 0.99

01:54:13.000 No, because I didn't leave in lying.

01:54:15.000 Lying.

01:54:15.000 What do you think is lying?

01:54:16.000 She's lying, for sure.

01:54:18.000 She's lying up a storm. 0.88

01:54:19.000 If you can't tell that, you've never been around a liar. 0.96

01:54:22.000 Yeah, no, she's... 1.00

01:54:22.000 She's a manipulative liar who's beautiful. 1.00

01:54:26.000 She has a beautiful face, and that's a real problem. 1.00

01:54:28.000 She's not very good at lying, though.

01:54:30.000 Terrible at it.

01:54:31.000 It's amazing she made a career as an actress. 0.93

01:54:33.000 She's awful at it. 0.97

01:54:34.000 But I also think that she realizes the jig is up. 1.00

01:54:37.000 I mean, she's on the world stage looking like a fucking buffoon. 1.00

01:54:41.000 And I don't think a person like that has the discipline to not read the comments. 0.99

01:54:45.000 Like, in that case, I tell people never read the comments. 0.99

01:54:48.000 In her case, might want to read the fucking comments. 1.00

01:54:51.000 Well, what do you do? 0.99

01:54:52.000 You gotta stick with the story.

01:54:53.000 You can't.

01:54:54.000 It's over.

01:54:55.000 It's over.

01:54:56.000 She's in the middle of chaos right now, and she knows it.

01:54:58.000 It's all over.

01:54:59.000 It's never going to be the same again.

01:55:01.000 No one's going to ever look at her the same way again.

01:55:04.000 If she had never taken that stand, if she had publicly apologized, if she had done something to get out of it, if she had not pursued it, if she had not written that op-ed, which, by the way, she didn't even write for the Washington Post.

01:55:16.000 She had the ACLU ghost write it for her.

01:55:19.000 It was part of the deal where she was going to give them $3.5 million, which she never gave them.

01:55:25.000 If she had just done that, she would have been like so many other actresses and actors in Hollywood. 1.00

01:55:32.000 They're fucking sociopaths. 1.00

01:55:34.000 There's a lot of them. 1.00

01:55:36.000 They're broken, narcissistic weirdos that pretend for a living. 0.91

01:55:40.000 And in her case, she happens to also have this spectacularly beautiful face. 0.96

01:55:46.000 And she's irresistible to a lot of men.

01:55:49.000 And so there's a power in that.

01:55:51.000 There's that expression, beauty is a short-lived tyranny.

01:55:56.000 That's a good line.

01:55:57.000 It's a great line.

01:55:57.000 Who wrote that?

01:55:59.000 Let's find out who wrote that.

01:56:00.000 Beauty is a short-lived tyranny.

01:56:02.000 But that's what it is, man.

01:56:04.000 On the self and on others.

01:56:05.000 Yeah, and she's a famous actress and she is wealthy. 1.00

01:56:08.000 I mean, she has a lot of power. 1.00

01:56:10.000 And the power that she has over men and just her ability to manipulate. 1.00

01:56:15.000 Like, you listen to those conversations that she had with Johnny.

01:56:18.000 First of all, how bad is that relationship?

01:56:20.000 They're both secretly recording each other? 1.00

01:56:22.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:56:23.000 And they've convinced each other it's a good idea. 1.00

01:56:25.000 No, it wasn't secret.

01:56:27.000 I think it was Socrates that said this.

01:56:29.000 Oh, did he really? 1.00

01:56:31.000 Socrates is a bad motherfucker. 1.00

01:56:33.000 Can you think about how long that guy lived? 1.00

01:56:34.000 He's an ugly dude, too, so that's what it takes to come up with that kind of point.

01:56:39.000 All they had of him was drawings. 0.96

01:56:40.000 Maybe they weren't accurate.

01:56:42.000 I think they were recording each other to help the relationship to understand because the claim was that he was too drunk or drugged out all the time so he wouldn't remember the different things.

01:56:53.000 But it just shows you how in a relationship, crazy can become normal.

01:56:58.000 And it can drift.

01:57:00.000 That's the dark side of love.

01:57:02.000 You're doing mason jars filled with coke.

01:57:05.000 Mega pint of wine.

01:57:07.000 One of my favorite.

01:57:08.000 Mega pint.

01:57:09.000 Yeah.

01:57:10.000 There's a lot.

01:57:11.000 There's a lot to that relationship.

01:57:13.000 But it's also...

01:57:15.000 It's an insight into fame, you know, and actors in a way that we never really had before.

01:57:21.000 Well, Johnny Depp is the really, really famous one.

01:57:24.000 It makes you wonder, and he was famous for many, many years, but he said the Pirates of the Caribbean was when he really got famous.

01:57:35.000 Oh, yeah.

01:57:36.000 And I wonder, can you be a normal person through that?

01:57:41.000 Johnny is a very nice guy.

01:57:43.000 I know him and I communicate with him.

01:57:45.000 I text message him.

01:57:47.000 I've called him.

01:57:47.000 He's good friends with Doug Stanhope.

01:57:49.000 I had a long conversation with him on the phone.

01:57:51.000 Seems like a really nice guy.

01:57:52.000 And Doug is a very good judge of character and Doug loves him.

01:57:56.000 I think you can be as normal as you can, but you're not...

01:57:59.000 It's like...

01:58:00.000 I always liken it to...

01:58:03.000 If you're going to create concrete, you need a lot of ingredients and they have to be in a very specific quantity. 0.60

01:58:10.000 Like you have a specific amount of water, a specific amount of sand and gravel and all that shit that's involved in concrete.

01:58:15.000 But if one of those is off...

01:58:17.000 What if you don't have enough water, Lex?

01:58:19.000 It still looks like concrete, doesn't it?

01:58:21.000 It kind of does, but it doesn't have the structure.

01:58:22.000 It doesn't have the rigidity.

01:58:24.000 It doesn't last.

01:58:25.000 This is such a Boston metaphor for the human mind.

01:58:29.000 Listen, the human mind is not concrete.

01:58:30.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:58:31.000 It's not a human mind.

01:58:32.000 I mean, I'm just talking about the development of a life.

01:58:35.000 Of a life.

01:58:36.000 But the human mind is fundamental to the...

01:58:39.000 Because there's so many...

01:58:40.000 Listen.

01:58:41.000 Clearly Johnny Depp is not a normal human.

01:58:43.000 No.

01:58:44.000 Just the wit, the darkness.

01:58:47.000 Also, I think he can hold his liquor better than anybody I've ever...

01:58:51.000 I mean, it just seems like he consumes a very large amount of alcohol and drugs and is able to behave normally.

01:58:58.000 Yeah.

01:58:59.000 I mean, there is a Hunter S. Thompson quality from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, like the character, the fictional character, not the real character.

01:59:08.000 Yeah.

01:59:10.000 I mean, there is like fiction imitates life.

01:59:13.000 There is an element to where I wonder to what degree he started becoming that.

01:59:18.000 I bet a lot of it was hanging around with Hunter.

01:59:21.000 I mean, he was really good friends with Hunter for a long time.

01:59:23.000 He planted a seed.

01:59:24.000 You know, he spent millions of dollars to fulfill Hunter's dying wish of being launched into space, or launched into the air, have his ashes blown out of a cannon that had the gonzo fist, the two-thumbed fist, holding a masculine tab in the center of it.

01:59:41.000 It's the only way to go.

01:59:43.000 Do you think he wins this?

01:59:46.000 Yes.

01:59:47.000 I think unquestionably.

01:59:48.000 He's already won.

01:59:50.000 No, public opinion.

01:59:51.000 Yeah, the court of public opinion, he wins.

01:59:53.000 He wins like Mike Tyson in the 80s.

01:59:55.000 I like how I'm asking you like you're a legal expert.

01:59:57.000 You think...

01:59:58.000 Basically...

01:59:59.000 I've watched a lot of this.

02:00:01.000 I've watched so many episodes of Judge Judy.

02:00:03.000 I listen to it like...

02:00:04.000 Oh, okay.

02:00:05.000 I listen to it like it's a podcast and I get annoyed like I get annoyed at ads during podcasts.

02:00:09.000 I get annoyed when they get like interrupt, you know, they have to address the judge or whatever.

02:00:15.000 I have never seen...

02:00:19.000 I'm not the kind of person that likes like celebrity drama or something like that.

02:00:24.000 The reason I really enjoy this is because it's raw, Presentation of two humans.

02:00:31.000 I realize we don't get to see that.

02:00:33.000 It's that, but it's also someone's lying.

02:00:36.000 And they're being cross-examined.

02:00:38.000 They get busted all the time.

02:00:40.000 You can only do that so often.

02:00:42.000 I mean, she's created a fake narrative. 0.95

02:00:44.000 You know, the whole, I pledged the money.

02:00:48.000 Yeah.

02:00:49.000 I mean, there's a lot of problems.

02:00:50.000 That's one of them.

02:00:51.000 The other thing I realized, because I'm a fan of psychiatry, is just competence of two professional positions.

02:00:59.000 One is lawyers.

02:01:01.000 It seems like Johnny Depp's lawyers are really good.

02:01:03.000 Yes.

02:01:04.000 And I wonder if they cost a lot more?

02:01:06.000 Do you have to pay a lot more for that kind of quality?

02:01:09.000 I don't know.

02:01:10.000 That Camille Vasquez, the main woman who was interrogating her, that lady's a gangster. 1.00

02:01:15.000 She's amazing.

02:01:16.000 I hope Johnny and her fall in love.

02:01:18.000 That's what I hope.

02:01:19.000 I hope after this trial's over, they go out to dinner, and he thanks her, and then they fall in love, and he gets sober.

02:01:25.000 Look at you.

02:01:25.000 You're such a sweetheart, romantic.

02:01:27.000 I think she loves him.

02:01:29.000 I think she loves him, and I think she hates Amber, because Amber hurt him.

02:01:34.000 Maybe she's married.

02:01:35.000 Maybe she's married.

02:01:36.000 Someone asked her that and she laughed.

02:01:37.000 She's dating someone from Britain or something like that. 1.00

02:01:38.000 Oh, well fuck that guy. 1.00

02:01:39.000 He doesn't have a chance. 1.00

02:01:41.000 Against Johnny Depp?

02:01:42.000 Jesus Christ.

02:01:42.000 Step aside, sir.

02:01:43.000 Whoever you are.

02:01:44.000 That guy's got a real accent. 1.00

02:01:45.000 Fuck him and his accent. 1.00

02:01:46.000 There's other fish in the sea, sir. 1.00

02:01:48.000 Move along.

02:01:49.000 This is greater than you.

02:01:51.000 This is bigger than you, sir.

02:01:52.000 Yeah.

02:01:53.000 And then the psychiatrist, too.

02:01:54.000 There's that...

02:01:55.000 I don't remember his name.

02:01:56.000 The crazy guy? 0.95

02:01:57.000 The crazy guy. 0.72

02:01:58.000 They said he analyzed him based on his character, Jack Sparrow.

02:02:01.000 Yeah.

02:02:01.000 And then they said, well, what about the Willy Wonka character?

02:02:04.000 And he's like, do I have to answer that?

02:02:07.000 I love that guy so much.

02:02:08.000 He seems so crazy.

02:02:10.000 I hope that Johnny Depp plays him in a movie. 0.58

02:02:16.000 He feels like he was, somebody wrote in the comments that he feels like a patient who escaped from an insane asylum and is pretending to be a psychiatrist.

02:02:28.000 That's probably all she can afford.

02:02:30.000 That's true.

02:02:31.000 Money does matter. 1.00

02:02:32.000 Fuck yeah, her fucking lawyers are terrible. 1.00

02:02:35.000 She probably found them on Craigslist. 1.00

02:02:36.000 They don't make any sense.

02:02:38.000 Their questions are terrible.

02:02:39.000 They're so ill-prepared, but also, what are they dealing with?

02:02:42.000 Like, what are they dealing with? 0.99

02:02:43.000 They're dealing with someone who's a clear sociopath, a clear liar. 0.72

02:02:47.000 The way she, like, turns, like, she answers the question, looks at the jury, and answers them like she's doing a little show for them, like... 1.00

02:02:56.000 She's nuts! 1.00

02:02:57.000 Well, also to be fair to this whole trial, I don't know how much they're aware about public opinion, but this being televised, it's almost unfair to the judicial process because I feel like the lawyers aren't as terrible as they look. 0.98

02:03:14.000 They're probably just following the game of how, like, trials usually are, but they just sound disingenuous.

02:03:21.000 She sounds disingenuous.

02:03:23.000 She sounds like she's lying.

02:03:24.000 Maybe to the jury it doesn't, but to us, observing from the outside, it just looks terrible.

02:03:29.000 I think it does to anybody who pays attention.

02:03:31.000 The jury, too, you think?

02:03:32.000 Yes.

02:03:33.000 Unless they're...

02:03:34.000 First of all, here's the problem with the jury. 1.00

02:03:37.000 They're too dumb to get out of jury duty. 1.00

02:03:42.000 Spoken like a true American. 1.00

02:03:47.000 I'm kidding.

02:03:48.000 But here's the problem.

02:03:49.000 You don't know who they are.

02:03:50.000 You don't know what they're doing.

02:03:51.000 You could be anybody.

02:03:52.000 It's Virginia.

02:03:53.000 You might get a jury filled with brilliant, sensitive, compassionate, kind, caring, intelligent, objective people who really want justice to be served.

02:04:05.000 Or you might have nutty people.

02:04:08.000 Who knows?

02:04:10.000 Who knows how they chose the jury?

02:04:12.000 I mean, look at the jury that convicted or that exonerated O.J. Simpson.

02:04:17.000 That's wild.

02:04:18.000 The fact that they looked at that case and said, not guilty.

02:04:23.000 That is wild, right?

02:04:25.000 So that's real.

02:04:26.000 That's a jury.

02:04:27.000 That's the problem with the jury. 0.99

02:04:28.000 It's like you're getting judged by people and how much do those 12 people actually know about what the fuck is going on? 0.97

02:04:35.000 Yeah, it's like judges for UFC fight.

02:04:39.000 But actually, that's not true at all.

02:04:41.000 They're more competent, hopefully.

02:04:43.000 At least they'd gone through some sort of regulatory process.

02:04:46.000 Here, it's supposed to be a sampling of the regular population in the United States.

02:04:49.000 So you don't know if there's bias against a woman or against a man.

02:04:56.000 And these are famous people, so what if you don't like their movies?

02:04:59.000 Or what if you love their movies?

02:05:00.000 Right.

02:05:01.000 Yeah.

02:05:03.000 This is what actually, some of you talked about, Douglas Murray thinks. 0.99

02:05:07.000 He thinks that there's no way, like Johnny Depp is winning for sure, because famous people always get away with shit. 1.00

02:05:13.000 The more famous you are, the more you get away with shit. 1.00

02:05:16.000 Do you think Alec Baldwin would get away with that? 0.99

02:05:18.000 Do you think if Alec Baldwin got tried for the accidental shooting of those two people on set, that he would get exonerated by a jury?

02:05:25.000 I don't think so.

02:05:26.000 I think Douglas Murray's theory is wrong.

02:05:28.000 I don't think that theory is good at all.

02:05:30.000 Yeah.

02:05:30.000 I think the O.J. Simpson case is an unusual case because it was right after that extremely high-profile case.

02:05:39.000 What the fuck's his name? 0.97

02:05:40.000 The guy got beat up by the cops when they exonerated the cops. 0.99

02:05:46.000 Do you know the Los Angeles case that started the riots?

02:05:50.000 Rodney King, thank you.

02:05:52.000 When the Rodney King video got released, and those cops were beating Rodney King with batons, and everybody saw it, and then those cops got released, there was riots, everybody was furious.

02:06:02.000 The OJ Simpson trial happened right after that, and a lot of people felt like that was...

02:06:09.000 Some sort of a payback.

02:06:11.000 Like, you know, here's an African American representative and if we make him not guilty, somehow or another we get that back. 1.00

02:06:20.000 And I actually saw people say that.

02:06:24.000 There's a friend of mine who went on stage and he was talking during the whole thing and he was saying that he didn't believe that O.J. Simpson was guilty because he's black.

02:06:34.000 Right. 0.99

02:06:35.000 And he's black. 0.89

02:06:36.000 He said, I'm black. 0.97

02:06:37.000 I don't believe he's guilty because I'm black.

02:06:39.000 Right.

02:06:39.000 And he was saying that, like, openly.

02:06:41.000 And some people were clapping.

02:06:42.000 I was like, whoa, this is heavy.

02:06:44.000 Yeah.

02:06:45.000 Yeah.

02:06:45.000 So is slavery, Joe Rogan.

02:06:47.000 Sure.

02:06:47.000 So there's a balance to this.

02:06:49.000 Well, that's a different time, but yes.

02:06:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:06:52.000 Not like a guy who killed a waiter and his wife with a fucking butcher knife. 1.00

02:06:57.000 Allegedly. 0.99

02:06:57.000 And I was like, I don't know what happened. 0.99

02:06:59.000 I went to Vancouver, and then I heard the news, and I was shocked.

02:07:04.000 Yeah.

02:07:06.000 Hello, Twitter world.

02:07:08.000 It's yours truly.

02:07:10.000 I still think you should be on this very podcast.

02:07:13.000 OJ? Yeah. 0.89

02:07:14.000 Really?

02:07:14.000 Should I have him on?

02:07:15.000 Yeah, you should have him on, for sure.

02:07:16.000 Then I should get him a little liquored up.

02:07:17.000 Yeah.

02:07:18.000 Get loose talk.

02:07:19.000 You know, I have a copy of his book.

02:07:20.000 If I did it, that would?

02:07:21.000 Yeah, I have a copy of that.

02:07:22.000 You should do the podcast saying, okay, let's pretend you did it.

02:07:26.000 Now tell me all the details.

02:07:27.000 If you did it, how you would have done it.

02:07:29.000 Well, it's in the book.

02:07:31.000 That's how it actually does it.

02:07:32.000 I never read the book.

02:07:33.000 Somebody gave it to me as a goof. 0.99

02:07:34.000 I was like, what the fuck? 1.00

02:07:35.000 What the fuck are you giving me, man? 1.00

02:07:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:07:37.000 I don't know if anyone read the book, but that's how you should do the conversation.

02:07:40.000 I mean, they wrote it.

02:07:41.000 Somebody had to go over it, right?

02:07:44.000 Yeah.

02:07:45.000 I mean, how do you talk to somebody who committed a crime?

02:07:48.000 That's a good question.

02:07:49.000 How do you talk to someone who committed a horrific murder type of person?

02:07:54.000 You have never done that in the podcast, right?

02:07:56.000 I interviewed someone who is in jail now, this guy War Machine. 0.88

02:08:04.000 He beat his girlfriend almost to death, and then I think he was going to get a knife or something like that, and she escaped.

02:08:13.000 And he's in jail for the rest of his life.

02:08:16.000 And I interviewed him, and she was actually in the green room waiting.

02:08:22.000 This is before this happened, obviously.

02:08:24.000 Yeah.

02:08:25.000 So that was the most...

02:08:27.000 In terms of, like, meeting someone and talking to them and them committing a horrific crime afterwards.

02:08:34.000 But I feel like it's not your style, like, just putting it on the table.

02:08:38.000 Putin.

02:08:39.000 No.

02:08:40.000 Dude, I didn't even want to interview Trump.

02:08:42.000 Right. 0.99

02:08:43.000 So if there's any kind of dark shit that you know you won't be able to really get to the core of with the person, you're not interested in talking to them. 0.99

02:08:54.000 I wouldn't be interested in talking to him regular. 0.97

02:08:58.000 So I wouldn't be interested in talking to him and broadcasting it.

02:09:02.000 I don't want to be around that.

02:09:04.000 I know it exists.

02:09:05.000 Wait, you don't want to talk to dark... 1.00

02:09:06.000 Like, uh...

02:09:08.000 Would you talk... 0.53

02:09:09.000 Like murderers? 0.99

02:09:10.000 Yeah, murderers.

02:09:11.000 I've had opportunities to talk to people who've murdered people.

02:09:13.000 No, but like privately. 0.99

02:09:14.000 Just to understand, like, what the fuck is wrong... 0.99

02:09:16.000 Like, what is up with your mind? 0.99

02:09:17.000 Who are you as a human being?

02:09:18.000 How much are you going to get into that?

02:09:20.000 And how much are you going to get out of that?

02:09:22.000 And how much are you going to carry that with you as you walk away?

02:09:25.000 The last question is the important one.

02:09:27.000 How much is that going to change you?

02:09:28.000 How much of a burden is that?

02:09:29.000 I feel like you'll learn a lot about yourself, about people, about what's possible.

02:09:34.000 I feel like it's really powerful to learn that there's murderers that have certain normal human...

02:09:45.000 Well, they're humans.

02:09:47.000 They're humans, and realizing that they're humans, they're capable of this, maybe they're sociopaths or psychopaths, you'll detect those things.

02:09:53.000 Maybe not.

02:09:55.000 Not all murderers are going to be psychopaths.

02:09:57.000 Well, you wanted to interview Putin, and you were going to be able to do it in Russian, which was much different than any way I would be able to interview him.

02:10:04.000 The richness of the Russian language and your understanding of the Russian language, you'd be able to interview him in a way that a person like myself would never really be able to talk to him.

02:10:13.000 Which is the reason I was interested in it, because I would be able to bring the full perspective of the intelligence, the nuance of that human being, no matter what evils they have done.

02:10:25.000 I mean, I think it's important to...

02:10:26.000 I mean, I would interview Hitler in 1941 and 42. In 45, I would interview Hitler. 0.96

02:10:34.000 That's really important to understand.

02:10:36.000 People like to paint those people as...

02:10:39.000 As bad in a way that is somehow distinct from anything we are.

02:10:43.000 Like it's another creature.

02:10:45.000 No, it's a human being and you too are capable of that.

02:10:50.000 If you're given power, a lot of us will become corrupted, especially over time.

02:10:55.000 And our angers, our resentment builds over time.

02:10:59.000 And if you get away with a certain amount of things like killing your political enemies, you're doing it over a period of time, and you exist in a world where that's commonplace, right?

02:11:07.000 Yeah.

02:11:08.000 And then propaganda.

02:11:09.000 So the interesting thing about propaganda, it's not only a tool to convince the populace of something, you start to believe it yourself.

02:11:20.000 I mean, most of the propaganda machine of Hitler, he started to believe.

02:11:26.000 There's no evidence he didn't believe. 1.00

02:11:28.000 Everything about Jews, everything about the German superiority over the Slavic people, just the thing we think of as hateful and idiotic, he truly believed. 0.99

02:11:43.000 That he's actually spreading the pure, the strong people across the world. 0.99

02:11:47.000 That's going to make a better world in his view.

02:11:50.000 You also have to take into consideration he was on heavy amphetamines, which severely distort your ability to make rational decisions.

02:11:58.000 I'm sure you've seen that video of him at the Munich Olympics in 1936, just rocking back and forth, cracked out of his mind.

02:12:05.000 Yeah, there's a book called Blitz, I think.

02:12:10.000 Sorry, there's a book called Blitz on this topic.

02:12:12.000 Most history books on Hitler, Third Reich, and Nazi Germany actually did not know this about the drugs at all.

02:12:23.000 Because that wasn't known at the time.

02:12:26.000 How did they find out?

02:12:28.000 I don't know, actually.

02:12:29.000 I think a bunch of documents started getting released, a bunch of confessions, all the doctors and all that kind of stuff.

02:12:35.000 Because the propaganda was saying the drugs are evil.

02:12:39.000 The Nazi regime was very much about purification in all forms. 0.75

02:12:43.000 Healthy diet.

02:12:44.000 Hitler was a vegan or vegetarian or a vegan. 0.90

02:12:47.000 Vegetarian, yeah.

02:12:48.000 Yeah.

02:12:49.000 One of the reasons why he had chronic flatulence.

02:12:52.000 Did you know that?

02:12:53.000 No, I didn't.

02:12:54.000 Yeah.

02:12:55.000 I think that probably was at the source of everything evil that happened in that regime.

02:13:00.000 Yeah.

02:13:03.000 Yeah, he was a known abuser of amphetamines.

02:13:07.000 That was his thing.

02:13:08.000 And, you know, a lot of the opera echelons and the soldiers of the Third Reich used drugs.

02:13:18.000 Yeah.

02:13:19.000 Well, I mean, that was also a part of the kamikazes. 0.99

02:13:23.000 The kamikazes would get cracked out on meth and then fly their fucking planes into ships. 1.00

02:13:29.000 It kind of makes you want to try meth, if I'm being honest. 0.99

02:13:32.000 I've thought that before.

02:13:34.000 I've thought of that before.

02:13:35.000 But there's no, it's a door you open, there's no closing that door.

02:13:38.000 I don't believe that.

02:13:39.000 Well, if you're well off, if you believe, what is it called, heart, that if you're well off in your life, you can try heroin, you can try cocaine, you can try crack.

02:13:48.000 If you're well off.

02:13:49.000 So if you're not using it as an escape, you're just using it to find out what the effects are like.

02:13:54.000 Yeah, I'm afraid.

02:13:55.000 I'm fine with coffee.

02:13:57.000 And weed. 0.97

02:13:58.000 The people that I know that try Adderall get fucking terrified by it. 0.95

02:14:03.000 And Adderall is a type of amphetamine that's closely related to methamphetamines. 0.95

02:14:09.000 It's not that far off.

02:14:10.000 And then the other side is pain.

02:14:12.000 Pain medication.

02:14:14.000 Ooh, yeah.

02:14:15.000 Oh, yeah.

02:14:15.000 That's a dark road to walk.

02:14:17.000 It's a dark road.

02:14:18.000 And then that one is prescribed by doctors.

02:14:20.000 Well, Steven Tyler just had a foot operation, and they put him on pain medication, and he's been sober for years, and he just had to check himself back into a rehab because he was getting whacked out on the pain meds, so they canceled their residency in Las Vegas for Aerosmith.

02:14:40.000 Yeah, you're never sober.

02:14:42.000 You're never out.

02:14:44.000 Well, the people that get really addicted, man, that's like a part of your life that's just always in the background, always in the shadows.

02:14:53.000 Well, you can be fine with a little drinky poo.

02:14:56.000 Come on, Alex, what's a little line of coke?

02:14:59.000 What's the big deal?

02:15:00.000 A little bump of meth.

02:15:01.000 A little bump.

02:15:02.000 Just a little bump for pick-me-up.

02:15:03.000 You've got to clean the garage.

02:15:05.000 Remember how good you were good at cleaning when you were on the meth?

02:15:12.000 I'm that way.

02:15:13.000 I've never had meth. 1.00

02:15:14.000 I'm that way with food, so I'll be fucked with meth. 0.99

02:15:17.000 You're that way with, like, spaghetti? 0.99

02:15:19.000 Well, like, healthy carbs.

02:15:21.000 See, I don't do unhealthy carbs.

02:15:22.000 I'll do healthy carbs.

02:15:23.000 Like, what's a healthy carb?

02:15:25.000 Like, fruit.

02:15:25.000 Oh.

02:15:26.000 You get crazy with fruit? 1.00

02:15:27.000 Apples and cherries and shit. 1.00

02:15:29.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.98

02:15:30.000 I've gained weight since Ukraine, which is stress.

02:15:34.000 And the way that I take that out is I just hide from the world, listen to Rise and Fall of the Third Reich or different books about the dark periods of history and eat excessive amounts of fruit.

02:15:48.000 And then call relatives and listen to them cry and then go back to eating fruit.

02:15:53.000 Jesus Christ.

02:15:54.000 Yeah, it's great.

02:15:56.000 But I do want to...

02:15:58.000 I don't want to.

02:15:59.000 I'm going there.

02:16:00.000 I'm traveling to Ukraine and to...

02:16:03.000 When are you doing that?

02:16:05.000 I shouldn't say...

02:16:08.000 Soon.

02:16:10.000 I don't want to do travel logistics and all that kind of stuff.

02:16:13.000 Are you apprehensive about your own physical safety?

02:16:17.000 Are you worried about...

02:16:21.000 Yeah.

02:16:21.000 The thing I don't...

02:16:23.000 So I'm talking to a lot of people.

02:16:24.000 I know what the risks are involved.

02:16:25.000 It's not insane, but it's dangerous.

02:16:28.000 But it's not insane.

02:16:29.000 Pelosi was just there.

02:16:31.000 Just wild.

02:16:32.000 I'm going to save my girl.

02:16:34.000 Show her when she was young.

02:16:35.000 Show me a young photo.

02:16:36.000 It's a callback.

02:16:37.000 Nancy Pelosi.

02:16:38.000 Yeah, I forgot.

02:16:38.000 For the record, Jamie just rolled his eyes.

02:16:41.000 She was back.

02:16:42.000 They have photos of her with Kennedy.

02:16:44.000 Kennedy.

02:16:45.000 Yeah.

02:16:45.000 You know what?

02:16:46.000 I think I remember her being hot. 0.99

02:16:48.000 No.

02:16:49.000 That is the picture I remember, and it's not.

02:16:54.000 Kind of hot back then.

02:16:55.000 Kind of milfy.

02:16:57.000 Yeah.

02:16:58.000 Especially if you find power attractive.

02:17:01.000 No, you like a lady in a suit. 1.00

02:17:03.000 Yeah, but I like a more tight-fitting suit.

02:17:06.000 Look at that one in the blue down there with the blue background, Jamie.

02:17:09.000 Yeah, click on that.

02:17:12.000 That's her. 0.88

02:17:13.000 Even as a freshman, Pelosi was a political insider.

02:17:18.000 There's a little like AOC energy.

02:17:20.000 Well, the amount of energy.

02:17:23.000 The amount of energy that must be involved in that life, you know, the amount of power and influence.

02:17:32.000 She has some big ol' mama jammers. 1.00

02:17:34.000 Look at that, bud.

02:17:35.000 I think that's fake.

02:17:36.000 Give me that.

02:17:37.000 Two other ones right there.

02:17:39.000 Those are real.

02:17:41.000 Stop it.

02:17:42.000 They're real. 1.00

02:17:43.000 Don't be an asshole. 1.00

02:17:44.000 Look at those giant titties. 1.00

02:17:45.000 Does Nancy Pelosi have some giant, big ol' fakies? 1.00

02:17:50.000 Yeah.

02:17:50.000 Are those real?

02:17:51.000 This could be a series of photoshops we stumbled into, but I don't know.

02:17:54.000 Or maybe not.

02:17:55.000 This is a rabbit hole.

02:17:56.000 Maybe go back to those photos.

02:17:57.000 Those are real, bro.

02:17:58.000 Those are real cans.

02:18:00.000 The cleavage.

02:18:01.000 The cleavage.

02:18:01.000 Those are real.

02:18:03.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:18:04.000 They're real. 1.00

02:18:04.000 I want to believe. 1.00

02:18:06.000 I want to believe.

02:18:07.000 Look at them.

02:18:08.000 Giant.

02:18:09.000 They're massive.

02:18:12.000 Yeah.

02:18:12.000 I'm pretty sure that's fake.

02:18:14.000 The other ones?

02:18:15.000 Which has got the big ol' fakies? 0.98

02:18:17.000 Think so?

02:18:18.000 Yeah, no, the cleavage. 1.00

02:18:19.000 What?

02:18:19.000 What do you got?

02:18:20.000 There's way more photos.

02:18:21.000 This is definitely fake. 1.00

02:18:22.000 Shut your mouth. 1.00

02:18:23.000 Perfect. 0.99

02:18:24.000 That's real.

02:18:24.000 It's 100% real.

02:18:26.000 I think that's real, buddy.

02:18:28.000 I think that's real.

02:18:29.000 You know what, guys?

02:18:30.000 Pelosi cleavage.

02:18:32.000 100%.

02:18:32.000 Dude, that's real.

02:18:34.000 Yeah.

02:18:35.000 It's tough.

02:18:36.000 I think it's real.

02:18:37.000 What are you guys talking about?

02:18:38.000 Of course it's fake. 1.00

02:18:40.000 Shut your mouth! 1.00

02:18:42.000 Shut your damn whore mouth. 1.00

02:18:48.000 It was like watching a porn with Pelosi's head on it. 1.00

02:18:51.000 I'm pretty sure that's real. 0.99

02:18:52.000 That's real.

02:18:53.000 But that's a weird thing about deep fakes, man.

02:18:55.000 They're doing that with deep fakes. 0.53

02:18:57.000 You see porn with Scarlett Johansson. 0.99

02:19:01.000 There's probably porn with your head on it. 1.00

02:19:02.000 I'm sure there is. 1.00

02:19:03.000 There is now, you fuck. 1.00

02:19:04.000 Like gay porn. 1.00

02:19:05.000 Yeah, you've just started it. 1.00

02:19:06.000 If there isn't, please make it.

02:19:08.000 That's always the rule of Photoshop.

02:19:10.000 And DM me.

02:19:11.000 And I will post it everywhere.

02:19:13.000 Send it to Tim Dillon. 1.00

02:19:14.000 If there's a photo of you, someone somewhere has Photoshopped a dick in your mouth. 1.00

02:19:19.000 That's the golden rule of the internet. 0.99

02:19:22.000 And if you haven't, please...

02:19:24.000 But we're going to get to a point where you're not going to have any idea whether or not it's real or not.

02:19:29.000 That's what Elon is really...

02:19:30.000 the bots problem.

02:19:33.000 He thinks it's really important.

02:19:35.000 I think it's almost an unsolvable problem.

02:19:37.000 I love the ambition of trying to solve that problem, but it's extremely difficult to know what's real or not.

02:19:43.000 Well, what he's doing...

02:19:45.000 At the very least, is he's forcing Twitter's hand to address it and expose it, and it's very likely that they've been lying.

02:19:54.000 First of all, something's weird happening over at Twitter.

02:19:58.000 When he said that he was going to start, when he started this process, and then announced that he was making an offer for Twitter, and then Twitter accepted his offer, Since then, I've gained 800,000 followers.

02:20:14.000 It's not that long.

02:20:15.000 It's very quick to gain that many.

02:20:17.000 And it makes me wonder, like, was I in Twitter jail before that?

02:20:21.000 Probably.

02:20:21.000 I was probably in some sort of shadow ban type situation.

02:20:24.000 And why am I released?

02:20:27.000 Am I released because they realize that these algorithms that they're using are really fucking creepy and that they're going to be exposed and these people are going to get in trouble? 0.69

02:20:35.000 So are they just like killing all this code?

02:20:40.000 Yeah.

02:20:40.000 This is great.

02:20:41.000 This is great.

02:20:42.000 That pressure was really, really necessary.

02:20:44.000 I don't know if his ideas are, his off-the-top-of-his-head ideas are good, but the point is innovation is really needed.

02:20:50.000 Because that's an Instagram, too, for sure.

02:20:53.000 Instagram, all of the, they, listen, I've talked to a lot of those people, and they actually mean well, and they're great engineers, but they've become stale in terms of the amount of innovation they're doing, and they've become arrogant And dismissive.

02:21:09.000 Like they become arrogant in thinking they know what is information, what is misinformation.

02:21:14.000 They've become arrogant in thinking they can know what is good and not.

02:21:21.000 And also they become dismissive of these other conspiracy theories or theorists or these other humans that are trying to manipulate our platform to do bad to the world. 1.00

02:21:31.000 And that starts to fuck with your head.

02:21:34.000 And if you just hire everybody that believes the same thing as you in a room, that you can start to believe that there is this particular thing that is true about COVID and everybody else is lying. 0.99

02:21:45.000 And not only are they lying, but their lies are going to have mass damage on society.

02:21:52.000 They're going to hurt a lot of people.

02:21:54.000 And that kind of arrogance can build and build and build until you're actually just...

02:21:59.000 Until the algorithm...

02:22:01.000 That you use for your platform for both the search and discovery and for the recommendation and for the feed is no longer actually a great product.

02:22:10.000 It's no longer serving the people.

02:22:12.000 It's not just like it's violating freedom of speech and all those kinds of things, which is very important, but it's just a shitty product. 0.96

02:22:18.000 The timeline is shitty.

02:22:20.000 Some people might feed some kind of echo chamber thing, but a lot of people are not going to enjoy it. 0.90

02:22:28.000 A lot of us enjoy being challenged.

02:22:30.000 And a lot of us enjoy seeing multiple opinions and growing from it and all that kind of stuff.

02:22:36.000 Yeah, but you say a lot of us.

02:22:37.000 Is it the majority?

02:22:39.000 I think so.

02:22:40.000 I don't know about that.

02:22:45.000 The whole idea of the algorithm is to give you things that you're interested in.

02:22:48.000 And unfortunately, a lot of people are interested in things that upset them.

02:22:52.000 In the short term, yeah.

02:22:54.000 I don't think they created the algorithm with the intention of making people upset.

02:23:00.000 That's like a false narrative that I think gets tossed around about a lot where they say that these algorithms exist to encourage engagement and encourage people to get angry.

02:23:12.000 People get angry and people engage with things that they get upset by.

02:23:16.000 All the algorithm does is find out what you like.

02:23:18.000 If you look on my YouTube algorithm in general, it's mostly professional pool, Muay Thai matches, muscle cars, and food.

02:23:28.000 That's the vast majority.

02:23:29.000 I like watching people cook.

02:23:31.000 I like watching billiards matches and kickboxing.

02:23:35.000 That's like most MMA fights.

02:23:37.000 That's most of my algorithm.

02:23:38.000 There's not a lot I'm getting upset about.

02:23:41.000 Well, here's the thing.

02:23:43.000 Everybody criticizes Twitter and YouTube and so on.

02:23:46.000 Try to do better. 0.90

02:23:47.000 Because the algorithm is pretty dumb, but it's pretty effective. 0.63

02:23:49.000 It's a great innovation, I would say. 0.76

02:23:51.000 We need to have further innovative steps, but it's basically engagement as a primary signal.

02:24:03.000 So, there's...

02:24:18.000 It's a pretty cool algorithm because it's like, hey, you've liked all of these hunting videos or these animals fighting each other videos.

02:24:27.000 You might like some more of them.

02:24:29.000 That's a really amazing thing.

02:24:31.000 I think that's a beautiful thing.

02:24:33.000 And then everything we're focused on now is the small slice of that.

02:24:38.000 That's unintended consequences, negative consequences.

02:24:41.000 Yes, and they do suck and we need to make them better and improve them because they have mental health consequences because the drama seems to be maximized and there's journalists that feed this algorithm that use the ads for income so they're going to feed the most engagement It's not the social media algorithm,

02:25:07.000 which is a platform. 0.97

02:25:08.000 It's the people that feed the drama, which is often journalists, I think.

02:25:16.000 In their defense, journalism is dying in the sense of people paying for newspapers.

02:25:21.000 So they're starving, and they're trying to figure out how to maximize engagement in this very valuable- Now you sound like Oliver Stone.

02:25:29.000 In Putin's defense, NATO was pressuring them, so he had to invade Ukraine.

02:25:33.000 I think Oliver Stone was just being objective, looking at the whole thing.

02:25:38.000 Yes, but...

02:25:39.000 I'm not defending.

02:25:43.000 I'm just saying that journalists are in a precarious position where without clickbait, it's very difficult for people to click on links.

02:25:54.000 And the only way they make any money is if someone clicks on links.

02:25:58.000 They get advertiser revenue or they can get people to subscribe.

02:26:01.000 They'll trick you with a very salacious headline and then say, this is only available to members.

02:26:06.000 Sign here. 0.97

02:26:07.000 But just because you're broke and desperate doesn't mean you get to be a shitty person. 0.99

02:26:12.000 True, true. 0.83

02:26:13.000 But I mean, you know, I think that the institutions themselves are shitty, and they're trying desperately to try to maintain relevance in this day and age where people don't want to buy print anymore.

02:26:25.000 They don't want to pay for it.

02:26:27.000 And there's so much available that's free, and they're sort of playing catch-up now.

02:26:30.000 And a lot of the free stuff, the model that is most successful is clickbait, unfortunately.

02:26:37.000 And I think what we're talking about with YouTube and Twitter and all that stuff is one of the problems is managing its scale.

02:26:43.000 Imagine the sheer volume of tweets you have to go through or the sheer volumes of YouTube videos get uploaded every day.

02:26:51.000 The problem is censorship.

02:26:52.000 It's not the problem of the algorithm.

02:26:54.000 If the algorithm existed independently of censorship, I don't think people would have as much of a problem with it.

02:27:00.000 It's that the algorithm exists and then on top of that they censor things.

02:27:05.000 You know, they remove things where it's like YouTube will remove a video if it is a discussion of a peer-reviewed paper, scientific paper, that doesn't fit in with whatever ideology they're pushing.

02:27:20.000 That's like the most blatant and ridiculous censorship.

02:27:23.000 And that exists. 0.69

02:27:24.000 People have had videos removed.

02:27:27.000 For discussing trials of ivermectin on yellow fever because they're doing things about ivermectin and they've decided that ivermectin is negative because of the political consequences.

02:27:36.000 Or they also do something, I would say, worse, which is, I think they call it deceleration, which they don't, you know, I guess people call that shadow banning.

02:27:48.000 They don't recommend it or recommend it much less in the search and discovery process.

02:27:54.000 Yeah.

02:27:55.000 Which is very difficult to detect.

02:27:57.000 Yeah.

02:27:57.000 So like when your video gets removed, at least there's a definitive like, okay, that happened.

02:28:03.000 That act of censorship, usually automated censorship happened.

02:28:06.000 You can protest or you can at least go to another social platform and say, what the hell, this happened.

02:28:11.000 You have some power.

02:28:12.000 When you're being shadow banned, you have no power because you just sound like a whiny person that says they're shadow banned.

02:28:17.000 There's no evidence.

02:28:18.000 Yeah.

02:28:19.000 And that to me is really concerning.

02:28:20.000 I think there should be like transparency about being decelerated and all those kinds of things.

02:28:24.000 Yeah, and it's just like, it's mostly going in one direction.

02:28:29.000 You know, it's mostly going against conservatives.

02:28:31.000 Which is why Elon has a good kind of balance to all of this.

02:28:34.000 Yes. 0.97

02:28:35.000 And why, I mean, he got, even I got some shit for the idea of bringing Trump back to social media, to Twitter. 0.96

02:28:43.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:28:44.000 Well, look what he did the other day.

02:28:45.000 Trump on his Truth Social re-truthed someone talking about Civil War.

02:28:51.000 The person just said Civil War talking about something that upset them.

02:28:56.000 And then Trump re-truthed it, which is like their version of retweeting it. 1.00

02:29:00.000 I'm like, what the fuck, man? 0.99

02:29:03.000 Civil War, yes. 1.00

02:29:04.000 Civil War, no.

02:29:05.000 No comment.

02:29:05.000 Civil War is bad.

02:29:07.000 Very bad.

02:29:08.000 Very bad.

02:29:09.000 Hopefully we don't use it.

02:29:10.000 Hopefully.

02:29:11.000 Don't want to.

02:29:12.000 Don't want to use Civil War.

02:29:14.000 It does seem that removing him from Twitter solved some of this problem, but aren't you afraid of the slippery slope of it?

02:29:20.000 There's a slippery slope, for sure.

02:29:22.000 And also, he's a lot of fun to follow.

02:29:25.000 He's kind of a hilarious guy to follow. 1.00

02:29:27.000 I mean, I like stupid shit. 1.00

02:29:29.000 The problem is like with stupid shit, it's like if someone makes a video about the world being hollow and aliens live underneath it and they're using marionette strings to control our dictators, that's funny. 1.00

02:29:42.000 It doesn't, it doesn't, I don't believe in it, but somebody might. 1.00

02:29:46.000 And the problem is we're protecting dumb people from bad ideas.

02:29:51.000 There's a lot of people out there that think that they are smarter than other people and so they're worried about people being influenced by ideas that they think are invalid. 0.99

02:30:02.000 Whether it's ideas about the Illuminati or ideas about whatever the fuck it is.

02:30:06.000 It's like you're protecting people because like if there's flat earth videos and you're banning them. 0.96

02:30:11.000 Who are you saving?

02:30:13.000 Who are you saving?

02:30:15.000 Is that affecting you?

02:30:17.000 Are you buying into the flat earth video?

02:30:20.000 I've had this discussion with YouTube a bunch.

02:30:23.000 I talk to their engineers a lot.

02:30:25.000 And they bring up Flat Earth as an example of something that's been debunked.

02:30:31.000 And just the confidence and arrogance they have about that concerns me.

02:30:35.000 Is it just the fact that they say it's been debunked?

02:30:38.000 Yeah.

02:30:39.000 They give it as a clear example as we know that there's no scientific basis for this.

02:30:45.000 Right.

02:30:46.000 I'm not exactly sure why that bothers me so much, but I sense behind that that, first of all, a lot of them probably, if we sat down, wouldn't be able to prove to me that the Earth is round.

02:30:57.000 Right.

02:30:57.000 Right, they probably wouldn't understand how they have proved it in the past.

02:31:02.000 No, other people, but I'm saying them directly.

02:31:05.000 So you're now trusting, there's a kind of universal trust in science.

02:31:10.000 Fine, that's good, because there's so much science has done, we can't possibly understand all of it.

02:31:15.000 You can't just have a blank check for trusting all of authority, all of scientific institutions, especially on new things.

02:31:23.000 Right.

02:31:25.000 The biggest thing I have a problem with is the arrogance, because you should have a humility.

02:31:31.000 Why is there a community of people that believe the Earth is flat? 1.00

02:31:33.000 You can say it's because they're all stupid, but I just feel like that's a slippery slope too, believing that there's just a bunch of dumb people. 1.00

02:31:41.000 That's an opportunity to educate them or hear them out. 1.00

02:31:44.000 What is at the core of this belief?

02:31:47.000 Probably it's a distrust of the scientific institutions, which to me seems to be the problem you need to solve.

02:31:53.000 Not censoring this community of people that believe the earth is flat.

02:32:00.000 I think the correct way is to have a video responding to that, proving that they're wrong.

02:32:05.000 And that way you can watch both.

02:32:07.000 Without rolling your eyes during the video, which is what they often do.

02:32:12.000 There's a kind of mocking of the other side.

02:32:15.000 It's an opportunity to educate.

02:32:17.000 Most of us, even the people that believe the Earth is round, don't know 99.999% of, cannot explain how this universe works.

02:32:28.000 99.999% of it.

02:32:30.000 Science is the very early stages of understanding.

02:32:33.000 We don't understand most of anything about the human mind, most of anything about the universe, about biology, it's a giant mystery, and we congratulate ourselves because we made a lot of progress in the past century or two centuries, depending on the discipline.

02:32:46.000 But the world is shrouded in mystery, and I think humility should be the driver for the recommender systems on YouTube, on Twitter, on Facebook, and so on.

02:32:59.000 And always err on the side of free speech, I think. 0.99

02:33:02.000 I think so too, and I think it's also an interesting opportunity to explore why people believe stupid shit, why people believe the Earth is flat, why people believe space is fake. 0.99

02:33:11.000 You know, there's a thriving community of people that think space is fake. 1.00

02:33:17.000 And a lot of it has to do with, like, religious beliefs.

02:33:19.000 They believe that, you know, there's, like, a dome over the Earth, and the Earth is like a flat disk.

02:33:28.000 Well, I also, I mean, I can empathize because there's something, I mean, I'm sure there's something genetically, biologically wrong with me or right with me, but I find those things fun to think about.

02:33:37.000 They're fun.

02:33:38.000 Why is that fun? 0.99

02:33:39.000 There's nothing wrong with you because it's so silly. 0.84

02:33:40.000 Yeah, but then maybe it's a slippery slope.

02:33:43.000 You have a little bit of fun, you get into a room, you have some beers with your friends, and then you're like, the fun turns and you get t-shirts.

02:33:51.000 Yeah.

02:33:52.000 And mugs.

02:33:53.000 And all of a sudden you have a Facebook group.

02:33:55.000 But isn't Scientology fun too?

02:33:56.000 When you find out that there's like, they think there's thetans inside of you and they were frozen, they threw them in a volcano. 0.99

02:34:03.000 That's fucking fun. 0.99

02:34:04.000 But then they start threatening you that if you ever leave, we'll reveal some shit about you. 1.00

02:34:09.000 Well, that's criminal. 0.99

02:34:11.000 That's not cool.

02:34:12.000 But the actual beliefs themselves, like the Mormons believe when you die you get your own planet. 0.54

02:34:17.000 Hilarious.

02:34:18.000 Each person gets their own planet?

02:34:19.000 Oh yeah! 1.00

02:34:20.000 Oh shit. 0.99

02:34:21.000 Did you know that the Osmond Brothers had an album that was dedicated to that belief and that inside the album is like all these worlds? 1.00

02:34:29.000 It's like in the jacket of the album when you open up the album cover there's like these worlds and this is all based on this Mormon principle written by a fucking 14 year old con artist Allegedly. 0.95

02:34:42.000 In 1820. Maybe he was onto something. 0.98

02:34:44.000 Maybe not.

02:34:44.000 Do you know what happens?

02:34:47.000 No.

02:34:48.000 How do you know you don't get your own planet?

02:34:50.000 Imagine if this one guy was onto something, he really knew, and everybody's like, he lied about everything else, but he was right about this.

02:34:56.000 What if planet is just a metaphor for a simulation?

02:34:59.000 You get to enter, you get transported to another world.

02:35:02.000 Or your entire life in your existence.

02:35:06.000 I mean, you don't know how the world sees you when you're not around.

02:35:09.000 Maybe you literally do live in your own planet.

02:35:11.000 Maybe as you go through life thinking that you're gonna go visit your friend and that he's there when you're not there.

02:35:19.000 Maybe he doesn't even exist until you show up.

02:35:21.000 Yeah.

02:35:22.000 Maybe all that social media stuff.

02:35:23.000 Maybe it was all an illusion.

02:35:25.000 I created you.

02:35:27.000 I manifested you.

02:35:28.000 You and Jamie and this microphone.

02:35:30.000 This is all for me.

02:35:31.000 Thank you.

02:35:32.000 This whole world. 0.99

02:35:33.000 You're fake, Joe. 0.96

02:35:34.000 I'm honored to be at least alive. 1.00

02:35:36.000 Can I shoot you now? 0.99

02:35:37.000 Not yet. 0.99

02:35:38.000 Okay.

02:35:38.000 Wait for this podcast.

02:35:39.000 It's almost over.

02:35:40.000 We're about three hours.

02:35:41.000 But if you...

02:35:47.000 If you just waited until...

02:35:49.000 I mean, imagine if you found out that your life was really a simulation, and that all of your interactions with people were pro and con, were all these little lessons that you learned, and you're just going through this thing to experience enough different scenarios to have a better,

02:36:05.000 more comprehensive understanding of who you are as an individual.

02:36:09.000 Yeah.

02:36:11.000 It's like a meditative journey exploring your own mind.

02:36:16.000 If you think of what VR would be in the future, you create a whole world.

02:36:20.000 That's what video games are, right?

02:36:22.000 You create a whole world just to be able to understand yourself better.

02:36:24.000 That's what a therapy session will be of the future, is you create an entire planet, See, the Mormons are onto something. 1.00

02:36:31.000 You create an entire planet, entire civilization, and places you into a particular aspect that helps you to work out your ancestral issues, like your relationship with your dad, your relationship with your mom, your, like, former girlfriends or whatever.

02:36:47.000 You have to figure all that out, and it creates just the kind of crazy people around you, or healthy people, to help you figure that out.

02:36:55.000 And then, at the end of your life, you come to that realization, and then you return back, To the eternal self with the deep realization of resolving some of the deep psychological issues that you had before.

02:37:09.000 Well, you know, Elio Gracie felt his belief was that you lived the same life over and over and over again until you got it right.

02:37:21.000 Until you made all the correct choices, made all the right decisions at every single stage of your life.

02:37:29.000 And that this life is like this constant process of improving upon your existence.

02:37:38.000 So Nietzsche had the eternal occurrence thing where unlike Ilya Gracie, I guess you don't get to change.

02:37:46.000 You just keep doing it.

02:37:47.000 You keep doing the exact same thing which focuses your mind saying the decisions you make at any one moment We'll be repeated for all eternity.

02:37:57.000 Therefore, there's a lot of pressure to get it right.

02:38:02.000 There's a lot of importance to getting it right.

02:38:03.000 Like, imagine every single thing you do today will be repeated for eternity, over and over and over and over and over.

02:38:09.000 Is that terrible?

02:38:11.000 Here's my thought.

02:38:12.000 Why are people afraid of that?

02:38:14.000 Because they are.

02:38:15.000 If you tell people that they feel trapped, they feel like locked into this existence over and over and over again, having to live your life over and over and over again.

02:38:23.000 But don't you like it now?

02:38:26.000 It's just now.

02:38:27.000 It's always now.

02:38:28.000 It's always this.

02:38:30.000 It's always this moment.

02:38:30.000 The moment.

02:38:31.000 Forever.

02:38:31.000 Yeah.

02:38:32.000 So I like this.

02:38:33.000 So why am I scared of doing it over and over again forever?

02:38:36.000 So you might not like the day.

02:38:40.000 Right.

02:38:40.000 Most of us, if we're conscious of the moment, we like the moment.

02:38:43.000 If you treat it with care and understanding and humility and compassion and intelligence, it's possible to enjoy a lot of them.

02:38:54.000 Obviously, there's horrific accidents and terrible tragedies and there's things you can't enjoy.

02:38:59.000 But overall, if you're alive, especially if you're you or me, and you're very privileged, and you're very fortunate, and you live in America, and you have a job that's rewarding and fascinating and great and all these good things, why wouldn't you want to keep doing it forever?

02:39:14.000 Like, what are you scared of?

02:39:15.000 Are you scared of living today?

02:39:19.000 No.

02:39:20.000 Then why are you scared of living today forever?

02:39:23.000 Yeah.

02:39:27.000 Why does that feel like it's trapped?

02:39:29.000 It feels like a trap.

02:39:31.000 Yeah, because I think we want to transcend.

02:39:34.000 I think we feel trapped by our monkey bodies.

02:39:36.000 We want to transcend this existence and be something more spiritual, be something more complete.

02:39:41.000 I think we find these little moments of that when you do show kindness and compassion and love and camaraderie and all these different things.

02:39:50.000 That elevate us beyond the base existence and give us this new, even if it's only a temporary, fresh perspective, fresh enjoyment of life.

02:40:00.000 And then we hope that one day we'll be free of all the things that hold us down to this very primal, survival-based existence.

02:40:12.000 Yeah.

02:40:13.000 Can I read a poem?

02:40:14.000 Yeah.

02:40:15.000 Let's end with your poem.

02:40:16.000 It's a tradition, right?

02:40:18.000 It's kind of a tradition.

02:40:19.000 Do you want Robert Frost or Bukowski?

02:40:21.000 Oh, always Bukowski.

02:40:23.000 All right.

02:40:23.000 This is about the moment.

02:40:26.000 It's a little bit of a long one.

02:40:28.000 It's perfect, though.

02:40:28.000 The moment?

02:40:29.000 I mean, it's literally right there.

02:40:31.000 It's in line with what we were talking about.

02:40:33.000 It's called Nirvana by Charles Bukowski.

02:40:37.000 Cheers, sir.

02:40:39.000 Cheers.

02:40:39.000 Thank you.

02:40:44.000 It's good to see you.

02:40:45.000 It's good to see you always.

02:40:48.000 Nirvana by Charles Bukowski.

02:40:50.000 Not much chance.

02:40:52.000 Completely cut loose from purpose.

02:40:54.000 He was a young man riding a bus through North Carolina on the way to somewhere and it began to snow.

02:41:00.000 And the bus stopped at a little cafe in the hills and the passengers entered.

02:41:05.000 He sat at the corner with the others.

02:41:08.000 He ordered and the food arrived.

02:41:11.000 The meal was particularly good in the coffee.

02:41:14.000 The waitress was unlike the women he had known. 1.00

02:41:17.000 She was unaffected.

02:41:19.000 There was a natural humor which came from her.

02:41:23.000 The fry cook said crazy things.

02:41:25.000 The dishwasher in the back laughed a good, clean, pleasant laugh.

02:41:48.000 I'll just sit here.

02:41:50.000 I'll just stay here.

02:41:51.000 I'll just stay here.

02:41:52.000 But then he rose and followed the others into the bus.

02:41:56.000 He found his seat and looked at the cafe through the bus window.

02:41:59.000 Then the bus moved off, down a curve, downward, out of the hills.

02:42:04.000 The young man looked straight forward.

02:42:07.000 He heard the other passengers speaking of other things, or they were reading or attempting to sleep.

02:42:14.000 They had not noticed the magic.

02:42:18.000 The young man put his head to one side, closed his eyes, pretended to sleep.

02:42:22.000 There was nothing else to do, just to listen to the sound of the engine, the sound of the tires in the snow.

02:42:30.000 So, the magic is the moment.

02:42:36.000 Here's to the magic, Joe Rogan.

02:42:37.000 Here's to the magic, my brother.

02:42:38.000 Thank you, brother.

02:42:39.000 Love you, man.

02:42:39.000 Love you, too.

02:42:40.000 It's always great.

02:42:40.000 Always great to see you.

02:42:42.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 26, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1824 - Lex Fridman

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