The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1865 - Aaron Rodgers

00:00:12.000 So it's good to see you, man.

00:00:14.000 Good to see you, man.

00:00:14.000 How you doing?

00:00:15.000 My pleasure.

00:00:16.000 How you doing?

00:00:17.000 I'm doing great.

00:00:18.000 Yeah, it's been an interesting year or so, but man, it's been a good year.

00:00:23.000 What was the craziness like?

00:00:25.000 Like when all the people were calling you a plague rat and...

00:00:30.000 I mean, it's...

00:00:31.000 you and the...

00:00:33.000 how do you say the guy's name?

00:00:34.000 The tennis player?

00:00:36.000 Novak Djokovic.

00:00:37.000 Yeah, Djokovic.

00:00:38.000 I mean, we talk about the healthiest human beings on earth.

00:00:42.000 Professional athletes.

00:00:43.000 We should have been playing in the US Open now.

00:00:44.000 Yeah, I know.

00:00:45.000 Because of this.

00:00:45.000 Which is bananas.

00:00:47.000 The guy's already had COVID, recovered from it.

00:00:50.000 I think he had it twice.

00:00:51.000 Yeah.

00:00:51.000 And he's one of the best athletes in the world.

00:00:55.000 I mean, the guy's body's in tip-top condition.

00:00:57.000 Tennis players are incredible fitness.

00:00:59.000 Incredible.

00:01:00.000 Yeah.

00:01:01.000 And no, you can't come.

00:01:03.000 You didn't follow the rules.

00:01:05.000 It defies science.

00:01:07.000 It defies logic.

00:01:08.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:01:09.000 None of it makes sense.

00:01:11.000 Especially at this stage of the pandemic, air quotes. 0.99

00:01:14.000 I mean, what the fuck, man? 0.99

00:01:17.000 What was it like for you? 0.99

00:01:18.000 It was really difficult, for sure, and a lot of different reasons.

00:01:23.000 I think I knew that this was coming down, that at some point I was going to talk about my status because I'd chosen to not get vaxxed for reasons that you talked about.

00:01:36.000 On your show and I talked about...

00:01:39.000 We should just say it because it's kind of important.

00:01:43.000 You're allergic to a medication or a part of the vaccine.

00:01:49.000 Right.

00:01:49.000 What is it called?

00:01:50.000 PEG, polyethylene glycol.

00:01:52.000 And...

00:01:56.000 So I did my research.

00:01:58.000 Now, I think, typically speaking, because I'm healthy and I take care of myself, getting vaccinated was not on the top of my list.

00:02:08.000 But, you know, I wanted to look into it because everybody was doing it and talking about it and trying to be safe.

00:02:13.000 And I wanted to make sure I was, you know, doing my part, if that's what was necessary, to keep myself safe and my loved ones safe and my teammates safe.

00:02:21.000 And I looked into it.

00:02:22.000 And at the time, I went on the CDC website and they specifically said, you know, if you're allergic to PEGs, we do not recommend you get vaccinated with the mRNA vaccinations.

00:02:34.000 So the only other one available was Johnson& Johnson.

00:02:37.000 And it had just got pulled at the time for blood clots.

00:02:41.000 So I looked into other options which included an immunization process through a holistic doctor and I researched and talked to probably a dozen different MDs and found a protocol That I felt like was the best available.

00:03:03.000 And what's involved in that protocol?

00:03:05.000 It involved basically a couple month process of taking a diluted strand of the virus.

00:03:15.000 So I was doing basically what the vaccine is supposed to do without...

00:03:21.000 How do they do that?

00:03:22.000 I don't know the exact way that they did that, but it was...

00:03:28.000 Was it by injection?

00:03:29.000 No.

00:03:30.000 No, it was oral.

00:03:35.000 And...

00:03:35.000 How are they even getting a diluted strand of the virus?

00:03:38.000 I don't know that exactly or want to get into that exactly, I don't think.

00:03:43.000 But there was hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands of people that I knew in this circle that were using, that had been doing this to protect ourselves.

00:03:54.000 Because we were thinking, hey, look, for me, I... I didn't want to risk anaphylactic shock or any type of clotting associated with the vaccine.

00:04:05.000 So that was my only option.

00:04:08.000 Either do nothing or do this process.

00:04:10.000 And I felt like this was the best way to protect myself and my teammates.

00:04:15.000 And that the NFL would understand and maybe grant me a waiver because one of the most difficult parts about the whole process was that there was clearly two classes of player at the facility.

00:04:30.000 There was the vaxxed and the unvaxxed.

00:04:32.000 And the vaxxed had full privileges.

00:04:34.000 They tested once every two weeks.

00:04:37.000 They had full privileges on the road.

00:04:40.000 They could go out to dinner on the road.

00:04:43.000 They could...

00:04:44.000 Go to a concert in town.

00:04:45.000 They could go to a comedy show if it was in town.

00:04:48.000 They could be at any place they wanted to and live life normally.

00:04:51.000 Non-vaxxed.

00:04:52.000 Fully masked.

00:04:54.000 Zero privileges on the road.

00:04:56.000 Could not go into establishments with more than 15 people.

00:04:59.000 You could not be around more than three individuals from the team outside the facility.

00:05:08.000 All these different, what I think now we all realize were crazy policies.

00:05:15.000 And that's what actually got me into trouble was that I attended a Halloween party in a 10,000 square foot warehouse with 18 other individuals all fully vaccinated and myself not vaxxed.

00:05:31.000 And was eventually fined for that.

00:05:35.000 Ended up getting COVID from a vaccinated teammate of mine who contracted COVID and spread it. 0.71

00:05:44.000 And that's where it gets a little bit crazy.

00:05:46.000 And I told this story, I think on the McAfee show, but I said...

00:05:53.000 When I came to camp, they knew I was not vaccinated.

00:05:57.000 So you had to submit a vaccination card.

00:06:00.000 That went to the system with the NFL. And obviously I didn't have one, so we were given wristbands too.

00:06:07.000 So everybody in the facility knew Who was vaxxed and who wasn't vaxxed?

00:06:11.000 Vaxxed was green, non-vaxxed was yellow.

00:06:14.000 So already it's weird wearing your colors out there.

00:06:20.000 And I think, to do an aside here, there was a lot of shaming involved in it.

00:06:26.000 There was a lot of public shaming that was attempted to coerce people to get vaccinated.

00:06:33.000 Because not only are you wearing a yellow wristband, you're the only ones wearing masks.

00:06:38.000 And you have to work out by yourself.

00:06:40.000 Can't work out with your teammates.

00:06:42.000 So no drills, nothing?

00:06:44.000 Well, you could at practice.

00:06:46.000 But weight room stuff, or our weight room every day, we're working out on the side.

00:06:51.000 Just the seven of us not vaxxed.

00:06:52.000 Is it because practice is outside and the weight room is inside?

00:06:56.000 Supposedly, yeah.

00:06:59.000 So they knew my vaccination status from the start, as did all my teammates.

00:07:04.000 There was a lot of talk about I endangered my teammates and I lied to my teammates and my team.

00:07:10.000 From day one that I returned, which was July 25th, probably, of 2021, they knew where I was at.

00:07:17.000 Everybody did.

00:07:18.000 Also on the side, I had an appeal going with the NFL because I said, look, here's my health issues.

00:07:24.000 Here's the protocol I went through.

00:07:26.000 Here's the research behind it.

00:07:27.000 I gave them 500 pages of research from a number of people that put together case-reviewed studies around homeopathy and immunizations and safety in them and also the efficacy of them.

00:07:45.000 And then I had a conversation with the league, and the league said, in this conversation, this is when I knew that my appeal was definitely not going to happen, was they said, it's not possible for a vaccinated player, a person, sorry, to contract or transmit COVID if they've been vaccinated.

00:08:06.000 And I said, you gotta be kidding me.

00:08:08.000 Because I showed up and five people, non-players, five people fully vaxxed are out with COVID. So what are you talking about?

00:08:19.000 And he said, you're a conspiracy theorist.

00:08:21.000 Oh boy.

00:08:22.000 And I said, no, I just think I'm a realist.

00:08:26.000 I'm just looking at the facts here.

00:08:28.000 What point in the pandemic was this?

00:08:30.000 This was like beginning of August.

00:08:32.000 2021. So by then, they had already known that breakthrough infections were real.

00:08:39.000 By then, it had already, I mean, the vaccines started being rolled out.

00:08:46.000 Was it, when, what was the first year?

00:08:49.000 It was January of 2020, where they started giving out to older people, right? 0.99

00:08:54.000 No, no, that's when the whole thing started.

00:08:55.000 Right, I'm sorry.

00:08:56.000 January of 2021, they started giving out to older people.

00:09:01.000 They started rolling out in March and April, because that's when I was going through the process of researching and looking into what I could do to protect myself, having the allergy of that.

00:09:10.000 And by August, people were already getting it, even though they had been vaccinated.

00:09:16.000 So this was not...

00:09:18.000 It wasn't talked about, I don't think, a whole lot.

00:09:21.000 Right, but it was four months after.

00:09:22.000 But it was definitely happening.

00:09:23.000 So it was definitely happening, yeah.

00:09:25.000 I had only known one person at that time, somewhere around April, that had been vaccinated and also got COVID, and I just thought it was an aberration.

00:09:37.000 I didn't, based on what I saw in the first few weeks at the facility.

00:09:42.000 And that's why I thought there was an opportunity.

00:09:46.000 But it was difficult because we were separated.

00:09:49.000 There was a whole other situation that was going on that You know, also is going on in the rest of society is that my non-vaxxed teammates who were on the bubble, right?

00:10:04.000 So 53 guys make the active roster, 16 on the practice squad, so 69 guys on the squad, there's 90 in camp, right?

00:10:12.000 So of the, I said seven, I think it was about 10 guys not vaxxed, only a few of us were guaranteed roster spots, like we were going to be on the team, and there's a lot of bubble guys.

00:10:23.000 The general managers, and there was talk around the league how general managers were not going to keep bubble non-vax players.

00:10:33.000 So they were already up against it.

00:10:35.000 Not only did non-vax players have a harder chance of making the squad, but they also had an almost 0% opportunity to get a workout afterwards.

00:10:47.000 So if you get cut and the season starts every Tuesday during the football season, Most teams will bring in anywhere from 5 to 15 guys for workouts just to see who's out there.

00:11:00.000 Is there any players that can add to the roster?

00:11:03.000 So if you weren't vaxxed, you had a very low percentage, not just of keeping a job, but even getting a job opportunity, like a workout, which is wild.

00:11:15.000 And so after this conversation with the league, I knew that My appeal was going away and they were doing this, I call it a witch hunt, you know, where they were asking every single player, are you vaccinated?

00:11:27.000 You know, they're asking a bunch of big quarterbacks and some guys were saying, you know, it's, you know, you know, it's personal or whatever, you know, didn't want to talk about their status.

00:11:37.000 And it almost guaranteed you weren't vaccinated, right?

00:11:39.000 So then they were getting ripped and certain guys said, yes, I'm vaccinated. 0.94

00:11:43.000 And, you know, then they tried to get them to say shit about their teammates, you know, who weren't vaccinated, like dogged their teammates out. 0.90

00:11:49.000 So I've been ready the entire time for this question and had thought about how I wanted to answer it. 0.93

00:11:57.000 And I had come to the conclusion, I'm going to say, I've been immunized.

00:12:02.000 And if there's a follow-up, then talk about my process.

00:12:06.000 But thought there's a possibility that I say I'm immunized.

00:12:10.000 Maybe they understand what that means.

00:12:11.000 Maybe they don't.

00:12:12.000 Maybe they follow up.

00:12:13.000 They didn't follow up.

00:12:15.000 So then I go the season.

00:12:17.000 Them thinking, some of them...

00:12:21.000 That I was vaccinated.

00:12:23.000 The only follow-up they asked was basically asking me to rip on my teammates.

00:12:28.000 What do you say to your teammates who aren't vaccinated?

00:12:30.000 What kind of example do you feel like you're setting to your teammates who aren't vaccinated?

00:12:35.000 I said, it's everybody's own decision with their body.

00:12:38.000 We're super healthy individuals.

00:12:40.000 We take care of ourselves.

00:12:41.000 We understand what goes in our bodies.

00:12:44.000 I don't have any judgment on any decision that a guy makes with their own body, right?

00:12:48.000 But I knew at some point, if I contracted COVID, or if word got out, because it's the NFL and there's leaks everywhere, it was possible I'd have to answer the questions.

00:12:57.000 And then sure enough, I contract COVID in...

00:13:02.000 Well, the beginning of November, end of October. 0.99

00:13:05.000 And that's when the shitstorm hit because now I'm a liar. 0.84

00:13:10.000 I'm endangering the community, my teammates, all these people, and the attempted takedown of... 0.98

00:13:22.000 Me and, you know, my word and my integrity began.

00:13:28.000 So that was difficult.

00:13:29.000 But I will say, and I'm thankful to be on this show, like, I really appreciate you and you helping me out during that time.

00:13:37.000 I reached out to you I think at the beginning of the season, I feel like, and just said, hey, because you had talked about in your podcast a little bit, you had some, you know, controversial, maybe less controversial now, people on there talking about...

00:13:51.000 Quite a bit less controversial now.

00:13:53.000 Talking about their, you know, people, experts in the field talking about, you know, their own ideas about COVID and, you know, you helped me with a, you know, a game plan to be ready in case I did get COVID. And I followed it to a T,

00:14:12.000 and when I got COVID, you know, within 36 hours, I was, you know, symptom-free and feeling amazing.

00:14:19.000 But the protocols was, you're off for 10 days.

00:14:23.000 So I missed a game.

00:14:24.000 We lost a football game.

00:14:26.000 I came back, had to answer a ton of questions about it.

00:14:29.000 Obviously, I had my, you know, basically, I lost, you know, the majority of allies I thought I had in the media.

00:14:37.000 The good thing is it drew a real line in the sand, and everybody who wanted to jump on me and trashed me did and showed their true colors.

00:14:45.000 And very few people, you know, kind of in the media at least, stuck by me.

00:14:55.000 Well, it was like McCarthyism at a certain point in time.

00:14:58.000 It was like a red scare.

00:15:00.000 Everyone was looking for communists.

00:15:02.000 They were just looking for non-vaxxers. 0.98

00:15:04.000 It was like a fever in the air because people had been convinced that this was the thing that was going to get us out of the pandemic.

00:15:12.000 And if you didn't follow that thing, that you were the enemy of it.

00:15:15.000 So I could kind of understand why people had that perspective if they hadn't looked into it, which is a weird term.

00:15:23.000 Or at least if they hadn't, it's kind of a shallow term, but if they hadn't consulted with real experts, especially in your case, that when you had an actual allergy, it's a particular issue, and the desire to not take the medication that was pulled for clots,

00:15:43.000 that seems pretty fucking reasonable.

00:15:45.000 But reason was out the window at that point in time. 0.94

00:15:48.000 Well, that's what was crazy to me was people just saying, oh, just get the jab, you know, the Keith Olbermanns of the world. 0.99

00:15:52.000 Just get the damn jab. 1.00

00:15:54.000 And I'm like, that guy is the gift that keeps giving. 1.00

00:15:57.000 He is fucking hilarious. 0.98

00:16:00.000 Unintentionally hilarious like he's a character in a movie. 0.99

00:16:03.000 I love it.

00:16:04.000 I hope he keeps talking.

00:16:06.000 But that was the sentiment.

00:16:07.000 I'm like, yeah.

00:16:10.000 Anaphylactic shock?

00:16:12.000 Also, I'm super healthy and take care of myself really well.

00:16:16.000 Oh, by the way, I just went from woke up, really bad symptoms, to 36 hours later, I feel great.

00:16:26.000 And no one wanted to hear that.

00:16:27.000 No one wanted to hear that there was a way that you could get through it without being vaccinated and that you would recover very quickly.

00:16:35.000 No one wanted to hear that.

00:16:37.000 And they were coming with all sorts of reasons why you shouldn't even say that.

00:16:42.000 Yeah, they came after you about horse dewormer and Sanjay was on here and you mopped the floor with him and then he goes back on CNN and basically tries to rip you. 0.97

00:16:56.000 It was ridiculous.

00:16:57.000 But let me just say this point because I think this is really important.

00:17:01.000 The two main things against me that they want to say.

00:17:04.000 One, that I lied.

00:17:07.000 I didn't.

00:17:08.000 You didn't ask me a follow-up, but I said I was immunized, and I went through an immunization process.

00:17:12.000 I don't know how you would classify that other than say I was immunized, but that, to me, was the truth, is the truth.

00:17:18.000 You didn't ask a follow-up.

00:17:19.000 You ask a follow-up?

00:17:19.000 I'll tell you what I mean.

00:17:21.000 That's one.

00:17:22.000 Number two that I really don't like.

00:17:25.000 And didn't like the characterization.

00:17:27.000 That I put people in danger.

00:17:29.000 That I endangered my teammates.

00:17:31.000 I lied to my teammates.

00:17:33.000 And I already said from day one they knew.

00:17:35.000 Medical staff, everybody in the organization, everybody knew I'm wearing a yellow wristband.

00:17:40.000 I'm not vaxxed.

00:17:41.000 Everybody knew my status.

00:17:43.000 But number two, what non-vaxxed players had to do is we had to test every single morning. 0.55

00:17:47.000 So vaccinated players, testing once every two weeks, right?

00:17:52.000 Non-vaxxed every single morning.

00:17:54.000 Every off day, every day of the bye week, off for a week while everybody else is off traveling and enjoying their life, we stay in Green Bay and we test it every single day.

00:18:05.000 So every day that you saw me, and I've said it before, I go to about two places in Green Bay.

00:18:10.000 I go to the grocery store and I go to Barnes and Noble.

00:18:12.000 I love to read and I gotta get my groceries.

00:18:15.000 If you saw me at those two places, you can be 100% sure that I tested that morning and that I tested negative.

00:18:23.000 Before I even could walk into the facility, I had to test, wait in my car, and then wait for 30 minutes for them to text me and say that you're negative, you can enter the building.

00:18:34.000 So every single day I was at the facility, every single day that any of my teammates saw me, any of my coaches, every single day that you saw me at Barnes& Noble or at the grocery store, I was negative for that day.

00:18:47.000 I took it seriously because obviously there was a lot going on.

00:18:53.000 Now, I didn't believe in wearing a mask at a press conference.

00:18:58.000 You have a room full of reporters who are fully vaxxed, wearing masks, sitting 30 feet away from me.

00:19:07.000 And again, this goes to the shame.

00:19:08.000 They wanted me as a non-vaxxed player to wear a mask for an interview.

00:19:17.000 While you're negative, you were tested that day.

00:19:20.000 While I'm negative that morning, in a room full of fully vaccinated people, who are, none of them are closer than 30 feet away from me. 0.58

00:19:28.000 I don't think during a pandemic there's anything wrong with testing people every day.

00:19:32.000 I mean, I think if you want to keep people safe and you want to keep that from spreading throughout the team, that's probably the best way to approach it.

00:19:38.000 But everything else just seems so nuts.

00:19:42.000 But we're looking at it, you know, hindsight is 20-20, right?

00:19:45.000 We're looking at it from after it's over.

00:19:47.000 And so many people, they just bought the narrative that was being promoted by CNN and MSNBC and wherever, that if you get vaccinated, you can't get COVID, you can't spread COVID. That was the narrative.

00:20:00.000 And that's my thing.

00:20:02.000 I get it.

00:20:02.000 Like, you want to test everybody every day?

00:20:05.000 Cool.

00:20:05.000 That's fine.

00:20:06.000 You don't want to keep people safe if that's the benchmark for it.

00:20:10.000 But as we look back now, let's not revise history.

00:20:15.000 Let's not revise history on what actually happened and what was said.

00:20:18.000 Because what was said was, you get the vax, you can't spread it or contract it.

00:20:24.000 And no one seems upset that that was a lie, including Birx, who has said that she had always known that it was not going to stop transmission and it was not going to stop people from spreading it, which is wild.

00:20:37.000 She would say, we knew that you were still going to get it, even if you got vaccinated.

00:20:44.000 No one said that.

00:20:45.000 No.

00:20:46.000 Pandemic of the unvaccinated.

00:20:48.000 Yeah.

00:20:51.000 What do they call the winter?

00:20:53.000 The winter of death or whatever for the non-vaxxed? 0.96

00:20:57.000 I saved that.

00:20:58.000 Winter of death and suffering.

00:21:00.000 Yeah.

00:21:00.000 It's like they were Game of Thrones.

00:21:02.000 They were talking about the fucking White Walkers coming. 1.00

00:21:06.000 Winter of death. 1.00

00:21:08.000 I mean, Jesus Christ.

00:21:12.000 It's so wild, because at that point when they had said that, we had already realized, like, oh, this is 78% of the people hospitalized were obese.

00:21:21.000 Most of the people that died were either obese or very overweight or rather very old.

00:21:27.000 Comorbidities.

00:21:27.000 Yeah, four comorbidities, at least four, for more than 50% of the people.

00:21:36.000 Yeah.

00:21:36.000 But people love to look at someone to be mad at.

00:21:39.000 That's one of the things. 0.99

00:21:40.000 If they can find a guy like you who's killing it.

00:21:42.000 And our league is one of the greatest books every single year that's written.

00:21:50.000 It's a mystery novel.

00:21:52.000 You never know what's going to happen.

00:21:54.000 But in a great epic novel...

00:21:56.000 You need your protagonist and your antagonist.

00:21:59.000 You need your heroes and your villains.

00:22:00.000 And I think they just...

00:22:01.000 Like, we're going to make this guy the villain.

00:22:04.000 Because he's been so good for so long.

00:22:07.000 And he's not vexed.

00:22:10.000 But I think it ultimately didn't hurt me.

00:22:14.000 Because at the end of the season...

00:22:17.000 I was playing really well.

00:22:18.000 I came back from COVID. We played Seahawks.

00:22:21.000 We won.

00:22:22.000 And I didn't have a great game that game.

00:22:24.000 But the last like six, seven games, I played really, really well. 0.85

00:22:28.000 And then there was a reporter out of Chicago who said that I'm the biggest jerk in the league and he wouldn't vote for me for MVP because of my VAC status.

00:22:38.000 So it kind of put the rest of the other 49 MVP voters, I think, on notice going, oh, are you going to let your personal political bias enter into a conversation about who the most valuable player of the league is and not vote for this guy because he's not vaxxed?

00:22:56.000 I think that played into at least some of their minds at some point because they would have to answer, how do you justify not voting for this guy for MVP? Right.

00:23:06.000 So ultimately you came out ahead.

00:23:08.000 Yeah.

00:23:09.000 I think so.

00:23:10.000 How long was it before you were treated normally?

00:23:15.000 Oh, this is the best part.

00:23:17.000 Once the playoffs happened, it went from Non-vax testing every single day.

00:23:25.000 And vax at that point had to test once a week now.

00:23:27.000 So it went down from two weeks to one week.

00:23:29.000 But once you got in the playoffs, you only test if you're symptomatic.

00:23:35.000 Vaxed or not vaxed.

00:23:37.000 Yeah, they didn't want to take any chances once you're in the playoffs.

00:23:39.000 They want everybody to play.

00:23:41.000 Of course.

00:23:42.000 A lot of money on the line, baby.

00:23:46.000 When did they start treating you normally, though?

00:23:48.000 Like, did you feel like with the press and with...

00:23:50.000 I mean, now it's...

00:23:52.000 There's still that mark, I think.

00:23:54.000 Really?

00:23:55.000 Yeah.

00:23:55.000 Really?

00:23:57.000 Some of those reporters are such cunts. 0.99

00:24:00.000 It's just like, there's a thing in sports where there's... 0.99

00:24:05.000 It's way less of it in MMA, but there's a thing in sports where... 0.95

00:24:10.000 Where it's par for the course to be a douchebag to players, to treat them badly and to talk about them badly, because I guess they have this very special role in society where they get to be professional athletes.

00:24:26.000 So you're allowed to...

00:24:29.000 If there's a dropped ball or there's a play that doesn't go well, you could say all sorts of personal things about them and disparage their character and call them lazy and call them entitled and all these different things that they love to do.

00:24:44.000 And it's really like ramped up in sports more than anyone.

00:24:48.000 And I think it's because of sports fans.

00:24:51.000 Like sports fans have been doing that forever, you know, when they're at work. 0.99

00:24:55.000 You show up at the job and you're like, see that fucking game last night? 1.00

00:24:59.000 That guy sucks. 1.00

00:25:00.000 And there's this attitude that they, I think, repeated. 1.00

00:25:05.000 And it's really these clunky personalities.

00:25:10.000 They're not good reporters.

00:25:12.000 They're not brilliant people.

00:25:14.000 They just have found this thing that they do. 1.00

00:25:17.000 They just act like a cunt. 1.00

00:25:20.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:25:22.000 Yeah, and some of them used my name for a long time to stay on some of their networks.

00:25:26.000 Yeah.

00:25:27.000 And you'll never forget.

00:25:30.000 You know, I think the interesting thing for me is to see how it changed and how my vaccination status But they couldn't get past that.

00:25:45.000 They couldn't get past years of friendship and me doing favors for them, doing interviews with them if they needed something, making sure I made time to give them a soundbite or do an interview or come on their show.

00:25:59.000 And I'm talking about probably a dozen...

00:26:02.000 That I thought were allies in the media, meaning friendly to me, and that they knew.

00:26:07.000 Like, if they needed a guest or something, and I had the time, I would always make time for them.

00:26:12.000 And haven't heard from any of them.

00:26:15.000 I think you got off light.

00:26:17.000 That's good.

00:26:19.000 Cut them out. 1.00

00:26:20.000 If that's the kind of people they are, either they should apologize to you and learn and grow, or get them out of your fucking life. 1.00

00:26:26.000 That's why I said it was a blessing. 0.99

00:26:28.000 It really was.

00:26:29.000 Because it made it clear.

00:26:30.000 Who is in my corner and who is not?

00:26:35.000 Yeah.

00:26:36.000 I mean, whatever happened to being like a charitable, forgiving person?

00:26:40.000 Isn't that like a quality?

00:26:41.000 There's none of that.

00:26:42.000 If you don't follow the mainstream narrative, or if you don't agree with me, take out the mainstream narrative, if you don't agree with me, I can't be friends with you because I get to live in an echo chamber.

00:26:54.000 And that's what society and social media has done, I think, on so many levels.

00:26:57.000 Like you were saying earlier, 20 years ago, the guy bitching about his favorite player who played bad is bitching to his buddies at work.

00:27:05.000 And now they're all on social media going nuts and stirring up.

00:27:08.000 And like we were talking about earlier, it takes just a couple people with an opinion that can...

00:27:14.000 You know, sway something in a direction and then, you know, start this landslide of negativity around something.

00:27:22.000 Yeah.

00:27:22.000 That's why I don't go on those things.

00:27:24.000 I just post and ghost. 0.99

00:27:26.000 I post and I get the fuck out of there. 0.67

00:27:28.000 I mean, it's valuable for me, social media is, for, you know, podcasts and comedy and stuff like that.

00:27:34.000 And, you know, occasionally I like to point out cool stuff.

00:27:37.000 Like, they found some...

00:27:38.000 Yeah, you do.

00:27:39.000 Some of the robot stuff's really... 0.98

00:27:41.000 Fucking sorry. 0.97

00:27:43.000 It's coming! 1.00

00:27:44.000 We're fucked. 1.00

00:27:45.000 We're fucked. 1.00

00:27:46.000 They're coming. 1.00

00:27:47.000 I mean, whether they're using them for military, they're gonna use them for law enforcement, but we're gonna have robots wandering through the streets telling you, show your papers.

00:27:55.000 iRobot, man.

00:27:56.000 Yeah, it's gonna happen.

00:27:58.000 I remember that movie used to be so fun, because I used to think of it as like, wow, this is never gonna happen, but this is kind of crazy if it did.

00:28:05.000 And now I'm like, Jesus, when is that gonna happen?

00:28:08.000 Because you see those Boston Dynamics robots.

00:28:12.000 Like, my friend Lex Friedman has one, and it was over his house.

00:28:15.000 I was like, Jesus, man.

00:28:17.000 It's like someone having a werewolf in their house. 1.00

00:28:19.000 Like, what are you doing with this fucking thing? 1.00

00:28:20.000 Get this out of here. 1.00

00:28:22.000 I saw a robot video the other day of robots shooting at targets, and they were fucking with it. 0.89

00:28:26.000 They were hitting in the back and messing around, and it still finds its range. 0.97

00:28:31.000 I think that's fake.

00:28:32.000 Isn't that one fake?

00:28:34.000 Because there's a series of guys that do these amazing CGI things, and I think that's one of the things they did.

00:28:41.000 I hope it's fake, because that was scary.

00:28:43.000 Yeah, it's scary.

00:28:43.000 But some of the little dog robots?

00:28:45.000 Yeah.

00:28:46.000 It opened doors and stuff.

00:28:47.000 Have you ever seen that?

00:28:49.000 I think it's called Heavy Metal.

00:28:51.000 It's an episode of Black Mirror.

00:28:53.000 Yeah.

00:28:54.000 Have you ever seen that episode where the robot's chasing after the lady?

00:28:58.000 That is so possible.

00:29:00.000 So possible. 0.72

00:29:01.000 All you have to do is be like, yeah, and if it's tracking with satellite, and if you have a fucking RFID chip that they can track, or some sort of a Bluetooth locator, like an AirTag, and they know where you are at all times.

00:29:17.000 We're about a decade away from a very strange world. 0.82

00:29:20.000 And we're all eating insects?

00:29:21.000 Yeah.

00:29:23.000 We're either eating insects or Bill Gates' fake meat.

00:29:27.000 He's going to make us eat his fake meat so we look like him. 0.99

00:29:31.000 These non-health experts, these really unhealthy people that want to tell people how to be healthy.

00:29:36.000 It's very strange.

00:29:37.000 And they all want to use climate change as this.

00:29:40.000 This is the main reason why you have to follow this rule that's going to enrich them beyond imagination.

00:29:47.000 If they can really get you to get off of meat and start eating a plant-based burger that their company develops or a bug-based burger.

00:29:57.000 I'm not opposed to eating bugs.

00:29:58.000 I was the host of Fear Factor.

00:29:59.000 I've eaten a lot of bugs.

00:30:01.000 Last time I went to Mexico, actually, we went to this resort, and we got to this place, and they had a bowl of stir-fried crickets.

00:30:11.000 It was like a teriyaki-flavored stir-fried cricket. 0.99

00:30:15.000 I was like, what the fuck is this? 0.99

00:30:17.000 This is like a few years back, before the pandemic, and I tried it. 0.99

00:30:21.000 It's like, it's not bad.

00:30:22.000 It's kind of salty.

00:30:23.000 They were good.

00:30:25.000 A bug is no different than a crab.

00:30:27.000 Crabs are delicious.

00:30:28.000 They're just big bugs.

00:30:30.000 That's what they are.

00:30:31.000 In fact, one of the things we found out from Fear Factor is that people that are allergic to shellfish are also allergic to roaches.

00:30:39.000 And we found that out the hard way.

00:30:44.000 I ate a roach.

00:30:45.000 That was a great show, by the way.

00:30:47.000 It's a fun show.

00:30:48.000 Yeah.

00:30:48.000 But roaches don't taste bad.

00:30:50.000 They don't.

00:30:51.000 They taste like almost nothing.

00:30:52.000 It's like a flavor.

00:30:53.000 It's gross that you're eating a roach, but when you're eating it, I was like, this is nothing.

00:30:57.000 There's not much going on here.

00:30:59.000 If I had to eat roaches to stay alive, I'd eat roaches.

00:31:02.000 If I was trapped somewhere, I'd eat roaches.

00:31:04.000 It's fast.

00:31:05.000 Nah.

00:31:06.000 Nah, I'd rather be full.

00:31:11.000 I have a distorted perception of food, obviously, because of the fear factor, I think.

00:31:14.000 I know what you can eat and what you can't eat.

00:31:17.000 Most of it's psychological.

00:31:18.000 And a lot of the things that we serve people, in fact, were delicacies in other countries.

00:31:22.000 Like, I had a lot of Filipino friends, and we serve balut, which is...

00:31:28.000 I believe it's a duck.

00:31:30.000 It's a fertilized duck egg.

00:31:32.000 And so it has the embryo in the egg.

00:31:36.000 And it's a delicacy in the Philippines.

00:31:38.000 And so my Filipino friends were like, that's hilarious.

00:31:40.000 We eat that all the time.

00:31:41.000 We love it.

00:31:44.000 Have you ever seen Balut?

00:31:45.000 Yeah, I have now.

00:31:46.000 I feel like I've seen the episode.

00:31:48.000 I used to watch the show all the time.

00:31:50.000 Yeah, it's not bad.

00:31:51.000 It's just in your head.

00:31:52.000 But it's like, it's a real, like, kind of almost fully formed.

00:31:56.000 Feathers and everything.

00:31:57.000 That's it.

00:31:58.000 There you go.

00:31:58.000 Yeah.

00:31:59.000 Yeah, so they had to eat that.

00:32:01.000 That little fertilized duck.

00:32:04.000 Yeah, I don't know how that ever became a delicacy.

00:32:07.000 It's probably very nutritious, if I had to guess.

00:32:10.000 I mean, it's got all the organs and everything in there.

00:32:13.000 It's probably very rich in protein.

00:32:16.000 I didn't eat one of those, but they served them.

00:32:20.000 What did you eat, though?

00:32:21.000 Like spiders and everything?

00:32:23.000 On the very first episode, I ate a sheep's eyeball.

00:32:26.000 That was not that bad either.

00:32:28.000 That's all in your head.

00:32:29.000 I ate a tomato hornworm.

00:32:32.000 Not that bad.

00:32:33.000 Didn't taste bad.

00:32:34.000 I ate an Iraqi cave-dwelling spider. 0.98

00:32:39.000 I ate live before it got in my teeth.

00:32:45.000 He was dead when I swallowed him.

00:32:47.000 I ate a Madagascar Hissing Cockroach.

00:32:51.000 That's one of the big ones.

00:32:53.000 Again, it was nothing.

00:32:55.000 It didn't taste like anything.

00:32:56.000 It was very bland.

00:32:58.000 Would you put a little Tabasco or something?

00:33:00.000 No, I think that was an episode where there was a woman who was scared to do it.

00:33:06.000 She wouldn't do it.

00:33:07.000 I believe it was Celebrity Fear Factor.

00:33:09.000 And she wouldn't do it.

00:33:11.000 And so I said, listen, if you do it, I'll do it.

00:33:13.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:13.000 And so I said, I'll do it.

00:33:15.000 It's no big deal.

00:33:15.000 I just wanted to get her to move on.

00:33:17.000 I'm like, come on, you can do this.

00:33:19.000 But I'm so jaded by it at this point.

00:33:21.000 And now?

00:33:22.000 Yeah, same thing.

00:33:23.000 Same.

00:33:23.000 Doesn't bother me.

00:33:24.000 People could throw up right in front of me.

00:33:25.000 There it is.

00:33:26.000 So that's the lady. 0.94

00:33:27.000 So that's the...

00:33:29.000 That's the Madagascar hits.

00:33:31.000 Look at me, a full head of hair.

00:33:33.000 Back in the day.

00:33:35.000 So, it was no big deal, man.

00:33:38.000 Is that Kevin Federline?

00:33:39.000 That's me, buddy.

00:33:40.000 No, no, no.

00:33:40.000 Oh, the other guy?

00:33:41.000 No, it's the other guy.

00:33:44.000 Yeah, one of the Backstreet Boys.

00:33:45.000 Which one is it?

00:33:46.000 Kevin, but not Federline.

00:33:50.000 Allie Landry.

00:33:51.000 It was fun.

00:33:54.000 Stephen Baldwin.

00:33:55.000 But no big deal.

00:33:57.000 It's in your head.

00:33:59.000 It's like, what am I eating?

00:34:00.000 But really, if you had to eat a bowl of them to stay alive, it's not hard.

00:34:09.000 You're not convinced. 0.98

00:34:11.000 I mean, people ate animal dicks on that show. 1.00

00:34:13.000 We served them buffalo penis. 1.00

00:34:16.000 Ladies, man. 1.00

00:34:16.000 Deer penis. 1.00

00:34:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:34:18.000 Guys had to eat, too.

00:34:20.000 It was a weird show.

00:34:22.000 It was awesome.

00:34:23.000 But, yeah, eat the bugs.

00:34:24.000 Eat ze bugs.

00:34:26.000 Yeah, I don't understand that.

00:34:27.000 I guess it's because, I mean, it is a good source of protein.

00:34:31.000 The thing is, like cricket protein, I know guys who eat that.

00:34:34.000 They have cricket protein shakes.

00:34:36.000 Although, there's like a powdered cricket protein.

00:34:40.000 Apparently, it's like a good source of protein.

00:34:42.000 They eat it as a protein shake.

00:34:46.000 Well, still on the fence.

00:34:50.000 You should be.

00:34:51.000 It's not as good.

00:34:51.000 Nice ribeye is better.

00:34:53.000 Yeah.

00:34:53.000 You know?

00:34:54.000 Nice elk steak, nice buffalo ribeye.

00:34:57.000 That's better.

00:34:58.000 Something that you shoot, too. 0.74

00:34:59.000 Yeah.

00:34:59.000 That's even better.

00:35:01.000 Yeah.

00:35:01.000 Yeah, but I mean, it's just what we're saying.

00:35:05.000 This is a weird time in terms of like control and in terms of the influence of these forces with amazing resources that are trying to lean society into a very specific direction.

00:35:18.000 You know, the World Economic Forum's article or the rather advertisement where they're like, you will own nothing and you'll be happy.

00:35:25.000 And be happy, yeah.

00:35:26.000 Just imagine saying that to people.

00:35:28.000 Because that doesn't even make any sense because someone's going to own these things.

00:35:31.000 So who owns it?

00:35:32.000 The state?

00:35:33.000 The state owns it?

00:35:34.000 What about you?

00:35:34.000 Do you own anything?

00:35:35.000 Are people renting these things?

00:35:36.000 How's that work?

00:35:37.000 Does someone own it?

00:35:38.000 No one owns it.

00:35:40.000 So everybody can just take whatever you want.

00:35:41.000 But you're going to be happy, Joe.

00:35:43.000 You're going to be happy.

00:35:43.000 You're going to be really happy.

00:35:44.000 What if I'm already happy?

00:35:47.000 You will give us your land.

00:35:48.000 Imagine being able to say that this is going to make you happy. 0.99

00:35:53.000 How the fuck do you know what makes people happy? 0.98

00:35:55.000 I think whenever I reach a point where I think that I really don't give any fucks, then I think about the World Economic Forum. 0.99

00:36:07.000 Yeah, that is a strange thing because I never even knew that was a thing until a couple of years ago.

00:36:13.000 And then I started watching- Nothing to see here, just the world leaders talking about policy for the entire world.

00:36:18.000 Yeah, no big deal.

00:36:19.000 Nothing to worry about.

00:36:20.000 The CEO of Pfizer was on that and he was talking about a medication that you swallow that has some sort of a chip in there that can tell people whether or not you actually took the medication.

00:36:33.000 And he says, imagine the compliance.

00:36:36.000 Yeah.

00:36:36.000 And this is a guy that profits at an extraordinary level from these medications.

00:36:45.000 I mean, he is insanely wealthy.

00:36:47.000 He is the CEO of one of the biggest corporations on planet Earth.

00:36:51.000 And he's saying, imagine the compliance.

00:36:55.000 Compliance!

00:36:56.000 He's not saying, imagine how many healthy people we could have.

00:36:59.000 Imagine how many diseases we could cure.

00:37:01.000 Of all the words to use there.

00:37:03.000 Yes, yes.

00:37:04.000 Compliance.

00:37:05.000 Compliance is amazing.

00:37:06.000 Because that's, look, if it's about his bottom line, which it most certainly is, you know, the bottom line requires compliance.

00:37:13.000 The more compliance, the more sales.

00:37:15.000 Gotta make sure they're taking those pills.

00:37:16.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:37:16.000 It's fucking wild. 0.99

00:37:17.000 Brought to you by Pfizer. 0.99

00:37:19.000 75% of all television advertisement is all pharmaceutical drugs.

00:37:24.000 And aren't we one of the few countries that allows for- Only two.

00:37:28.000 Only two, right?

00:37:28.000 Only two.

00:37:29.000 And the other one is New Zealand.

00:37:30.000 And New Zealand is far more restrictive than us. 0.96

00:37:32.000 But all those other countries, they think that we're out of our fucking minds advertising for all these things that are going to make you happy. 0.97

00:37:40.000 There's a girl running through a wheat field and there's great music playing. 0.99

00:37:43.000 And here's the side effects.

00:37:45.000 But then we're going to finish with a happy thought running through a meadow.

00:37:49.000 Side effects are crazy.

00:37:51.000 Playing with your grandson.

00:37:52.000 Yeah.

00:37:53.000 It's a strange time, man.

00:37:54.000 It's a strange time because our information, our media has been co-opted by money and the money that comes from selling pharmaceutical drugs.

00:38:03.000 And we all know, look, I remember I went and I got my nose fixed.

00:38:07.000 I had a deviated septum.

00:38:09.000 And I walked out of there and the doctor tried to give me two different painkillers.

00:38:14.000 I said, but I'm not in pain.

00:38:16.000 And he said, but you will be.

00:38:17.000 And I said, well, how's it going to get worse?

00:38:19.000 How's it going to get worse than this?

00:38:21.000 Like, it's really not that big a deal. 0.99

00:38:22.000 Like, I've been hitting my nose fucking 200 times. 0.98

00:38:25.000 I have no idea. 0.99

00:38:26.000 It was broken.

00:38:27.000 I broke my nose at least half a dozen, a dozen times.

00:38:30.000 I don't even know how many times I broke it.

00:38:31.000 Because, I mean, in training, you leave and you have a bloody nose.

00:38:34.000 It's totally normal.

00:38:35.000 Because we're talking about the deviation of cartilage.

00:38:37.000 I mean, it didn't break the physical structure of my nose more than twice that I know of, like the actual bone itself.

00:38:43.000 But the cartilage was separated and there was blood in there all the time.

00:38:48.000 So it was normal.

00:38:49.000 So this guy telling me that it's going to be worse than what I'd normally experience, I was like, how?

00:38:54.000 But he was pushing these on me.

00:38:57.000 I never took anything.

00:38:58.000 It never even hurt.

00:38:59.000 Never bothered.

00:38:59.000 Woke up in the morning waiting for the pain.

00:39:01.000 Nothing.

00:39:02.000 All I could do is breathe, you know?

00:39:04.000 I had some stuff, some big foam tube stuck up there for a couple weeks, I think.

00:39:09.000 And then it was nothing.

00:39:11.000 Yeah, I mean the pain management, especially with our sport, is fascinating to see how things are treated, and I use quotations untreated because up until probably a decade ago, you know, it was easily accessible to get Oxy, Percocet,

00:39:27.000 Vicodin, whatever you wanted.

00:39:29.000 Did they make sure you weren't playing on that stuff?

00:39:31.000 No, you played, definitely.

00:39:32.000 Yeah.

00:39:34.000 Wow.

00:39:34.000 And what, did you ever play on it?

00:39:36.000 Yeah.

00:39:37.000 What did you play on?

00:39:38.000 Percocet.

00:39:39.000 And what was the impact on your physical performance?

00:39:42.000 I just, I mean, it was more for pain management, so I wasn't taking, like, you know, any high dosage, but... 1.00

00:39:47.000 Stupid. 1.00

00:39:50.000 Ultimately. 1.00

00:39:51.000 You know, just...

00:39:54.000 You know, here's the thing.

00:39:55.000 I've had knee issues for a long time and, you know, you take anti-inflammatories, right?

00:40:00.000 So you're taking anti-inflammatories that all come with a warning.

00:40:04.000 If you take this more than a few weeks, you got to get your blood tested, right?

00:40:09.000 Because it can do damage to your liver.

00:40:11.000 There is so many different things you can take now.

00:40:18.000 Right.

00:40:23.000 CBD. Yeah.

00:40:24.000 Yeah.

00:40:35.000 Help that it can do for your body.

00:40:38.000 But we're still giving out painkillers.

00:40:41.000 Way less, and it's actually monitored now because there were a few teams that were abusing that.

00:40:46.000 Again, this was over a decade ago, I think, when they really changed the policy.

00:40:51.000 But no, it's ass backwards, the whole treatment of the professional.

00:40:55.000 Definitely in our sport.

00:40:56.000 We're still giving out that kind of stuff.

00:40:58.000 When did they stop doing it as frequently?

00:41:02.000 Was it when the opioid crisis kicked in?

00:41:04.000 No, I think there was one team that people were kind of raiding the cupboards, and then they put a stop to it.

00:41:15.000 So now it's more of a pharmacy-based thing where you've got to sign in and sign out, and it's monitored and different things.

00:41:20.000 But they don't discourage players from playing on pain pills?

00:41:23.000 No, I don't think so.

00:41:26.000 I mean, I can't imagine someone fighting on that stuff.

00:41:29.000 I mean, the USADA is very strict in terms of what you're allowed to take and what you're not allowed to take, and they test people very frequently.

00:41:37.000 So much so that, you know, Paulo Costo, who just fought in the last UFC, they actually tested him the day of the weigh-in, which caused a huge outrage because this guy cuts a lot of weight, he was dehydrating himself, and they show up at his house at 6 o'clock in the morning and asked him to test.

00:41:52.000 Which is egregious, ridiculous.

00:41:54.000 And they'll never happen again.

00:41:55.000 They put a stop to it and made sure USADA doesn't step out of line.

00:41:59.000 But at least they stop people from competing on things.

00:42:05.000 Which they should.

00:42:05.000 At least.

00:42:06.000 Yeah, I mean, because I can imagine.

00:42:07.000 In the NFL, I mean, for years, you know, 70s and 80s, there was a lot of stuff, you know, guys were taking some crazy stuff.

00:42:14.000 Even when I was in high school, people were taking Rip Fuel, which is basically speed.

00:42:17.000 Yeah.

00:42:17.000 You know, playing on that.

00:42:18.000 Yeah.

00:42:19.000 But like tortle shots up until recently were really, you know, across the league, kind of standard.

00:42:25.000 Tortle's an anti-inflammatory, right?

00:42:27.000 Right.

00:42:27.000 But like, but some of the pain management, you know, it's been a little bit wild for a while and I just don't understand why there isn't more natural options looked into that are out there that I've researched behind it and we're still pushing the same,

00:42:46.000 you know, Percocet, Vicodin, Oxy, if you have pain and I saw at one point a teammate of mine who was unable to get treatment on a post-surgical operation without being put under anesthesia because of an addiction to pain medicine.

00:43:08.000 Wow.

00:43:10.000 So he was so addicted that they couldn't even risk him trying it?

00:43:13.000 Yeah, and I know of multiple teammates over the years.

00:43:17.000 I'm talking about high school, college, and pros who have dealt with their own relapses around addiction to pain pills.

00:43:25.000 But they're so addictive.

00:43:27.000 And that's another thing that the pharmaceutical company tried to lie about.

00:43:30.000 The pharmaceutical companies tried to lie. 0.85

00:43:32.000 I mean, that's dope sick.

00:43:35.000 That's the premise of that whole show.

00:43:37.000 They were lying about whether or not these things were addictive when they knew they were.

00:43:41.000 This is the same people.

00:43:43.000 The same people that were telling you that you had to get jabbed are the same people that were telling you that opioids were not addictive.

00:43:50.000 That paid out $2.3 billion in the biggest fraud case in the history of the world.

00:43:55.000 Yeah, and then there's the Vioxx case that killed more than 60,000 Americans.

00:44:00.000 Which, when I was in college, everybody was taking Vioxx.

00:44:03.000 Everybody.

00:44:04.000 All my teammates were taking Vioxx. 1.00

00:44:06.000 It's dangerous shit. 1.00

00:44:07.000 I know a guy who had a stroke from it. 1.00

00:44:09.000 A guy who fought in the UFC. Chantix, right?

00:44:11.000 Yep.

00:44:12.000 As well?

00:44:13.000 I think you said on your show, but there's something crazy.

00:44:15.000 I can't remember the exact number, but how many different products get pulled every single month that were...

00:44:21.000 FDA approved.

00:44:22.000 FDA approved?

00:44:23.000 Yeah.

00:44:23.000 It's a lot.

00:44:24.000 Yeah.

00:44:24.000 That was with John Abramson, who is a doctor who's worked to litigate against pharmaceutical companies, and in particular against Vioxx when they were doing that.

00:44:34.000 They had clear information that Vioxx was going to be damaging to people.

00:44:38.000 They knew there was problems and they literally said there's going to be some issues but we're going to do very well.

00:44:45.000 That's literally internal memo saying we're going to do well financially.

00:44:49.000 But people are going to have like that.

00:44:52.000 Those kind of issues like cardiovascular issues, blood clotting issues, strokes.

00:44:55.000 They knew it was going to kill people.

00:44:57.000 They knew it.

00:44:58.000 And they got charged.

00:44:59.000 I believe what happened was they made 12 billion and they were fined five.

00:45:06.000 Which is good profit margin.

00:45:08.000 It's just crazy that you could have any profit margin off of killing 60,000 people.

00:45:15.000 And these are the people we're supposed to trust?

00:45:17.000 Like, all of a sudden, people put aside all of their thoughts that they had kept...

00:45:23.000 You talk to anyone about whether or not the pharmaceutical companies were ethical, whether or not they were telling the truth, whether or not they promoted dangerous medications that were unnecessary, and everybody would say yes.

00:45:35.000 Those same people were calling you a plague rat.

00:45:42.000 It's kind of funny now that it's over.

00:45:44.000 But in the heat of it, it wasn't exactly the healthiest swath of the population either that was coming after.

00:45:50.000 Oh, no, no.

00:45:51.000 The people that came after me the hardest were fat.

00:45:54.000 It was hilarious.

00:45:55.000 And I was like, do you understand that whatever you're doing to your body is way, way worse than what COVID's going to do to you? 1.00

00:46:05.000 What you're doing to your body by being fat like this, if you think you're going to prevent that with some medication that just keeps you from getting COVID and it didn't, you're fucking dying, man. 1.00

00:46:16.000 You're eating yourself to death. 0.99

00:46:18.000 You're eating shitty food and you have a sedentary lifestyle and you're probably taking all sorts of pharmaceutical medication for anxiety and depression and all these other things that are fucking with your head. 1.00

00:46:31.000 It's wild, man. 0.98

00:46:32.000 It's a wild time because people really are conditioned to think that they can take a medication and cure all their ills and cure almost instantaneously something that has become a problem from lifestyle choices that you've built up over years and years and years of body abuse.

00:46:50.000 So you've abused your body for so long and then you think that all of a sudden a pain pill or this pill or that pill is going to fix all that.

00:46:59.000 And no one's telling you, hey, you've got to lose weight.

00:47:02.000 Hey, you've got to drink water.

00:47:03.000 Hey, you should really exercise on a regular basis.

00:47:06.000 Hey, what about vitamins?

00:47:07.000 Do you know about vitamin D? Go out in the sun.

00:47:10.000 90% of the population is vitamin D deficient.

00:47:12.000 Something like that.

00:47:13.000 It's very high.

00:47:14.000 Very high.

00:47:15.000 It might have been 90%, but I don't want to get fact-checked on that one.

00:47:18.000 I think it's in the high 70s.

00:47:19.000 Okay.

00:47:19.000 I think it, let's find out what percentage of the population, it's probably diminished because there has been quite a bit of publicity during the pandemic about vitamin D deficiency because they showed what percentage of people who are in the ICU, I think it was at one point in time was 84% of the people who are in the ICU were insufficient or deficient in vitamin D. I think that's gotta be low there,

00:47:39.000 42%.

00:47:40.000 Vitamin, hmm, interesting.

00:47:42.000 It's only 42. I thought it was a lot higher than that.

00:47:45.000 That's 2018. I don't think that's accurate.

00:47:50.000 I think it's higher than that.

00:47:52.000 I think it's pulling from a different age group.

00:47:56.000 That's a Cleveland Clinic over 65. I would say, something you just said a second ago, I would frame it slightly differently.

00:48:07.000 I think you said people are conditioned to think.

00:48:09.000 I think people are conditioned not to think anymore.

00:48:12.000 They're conditioned to do exactly what they're told by their news station, by their politician.

00:48:21.000 You know, people don't want to think for themselves anymore.

00:48:25.000 Well, they're conditioned at work.

00:48:26.000 Think about if you have a job.

00:48:28.000 The majority of people in this country have a job where you have a boss.

00:48:32.000 The bosses are a very small minority.

00:48:34.000 The majority of people work for that boss.

00:48:36.000 If you work for a corporation, they have very strict rules that they'd like you to follow.

00:48:42.000 There's behavior rules, there's language rules, there's dress rules, there's, you know, rules about the time you're supposed to be there and the amount of work you're supposed to do and what you're supposed to take home and what's required of you.

00:48:54.000 People are conditioned to have someone tell them what they can and can't do.

00:49:00.000 And then they get off on Friday and they can't wait to get drunk.

00:49:03.000 And that's part of why they want to get drunk, is they want to escape.

00:49:07.000 They want to escape this grind of a world.

00:49:10.000 A person who can become autonomous, a person who can have their own job, where it's their business, or it's their product that they're selling, or their art that they're selling, or something where you can be self-sufficient.

00:49:25.000 That is the biggest freedom that a person can have in this culture.

00:49:29.000 And most people don't have that freedom.

00:49:33.000 To have someone lay the rules out for them, tell them when they're supposed to be there, tell them what they get when they work for an hour.

00:49:42.000 Most people don't have the ability to just think for themselves.

00:49:47.000 It's been taken away from them because they want to make a living.

00:49:51.000 And then you get into student loans.

00:49:55.000 Well, that's the craziest one, right?

00:49:56.000 Because you can't even get rid of those.

00:49:58.000 Right?

00:49:58.000 Every other loan, you can go bankrupt.

00:50:05.000 Except for?

00:50:06.000 Student loans.

00:50:07.000 I know of people that are getting Social Security docked Their social security money is being docked because they owe student loans.

00:50:18.000 So you're at the finish line.

00:50:20.000 It's the end of your life.

00:50:21.000 And you owe money for loans you took out when you were 18. And now you're 65. That's a rough way to leave this life.

00:50:34.000 It's a rough, and the amount of interest based on it.

00:50:38.000 I was reading about this woman who took out $150,000 in student loans, and now she owes $250,000 because of all the interest and all the time. 1.00

00:50:48.000 Yeah, and how much over the course of that loan, what are you paying?

00:50:52.000 Seven figures for sure, right? 1.00

00:50:54.000 Fucking crazy! 1.00

00:50:56.000 I mean, it's a fucking business. 1.00

00:50:59.000 And it's also, for many people, something that they're not going to use for whatever occupation they choose. 0.99

00:51:04.000 I mean, maybe it will help them get a job if it shows that they have a bachelor's in this or a master's in that.

00:51:10.000 But there's a large amount of people out there that are out there working in a field that is not even their field of study in college.

00:51:17.000 So they have this student loan that didn't even apply to what they wound up doing for a living and then they have to pay it off forever.

00:51:25.000 And it's subsidized by the government.

00:51:26.000 So it's an extraordinarily expensive endeavor. 0.99

00:51:29.000 And you're making this choice when you're 18 and you don't know what the fuck you're doing. 0.99

00:51:33.000 No. 1.00

00:51:34.000 You have zero idea.

00:51:35.000 It's the most vulnerable time in your life before your frontal lobe forms.

00:51:40.000 You're not even 25 years old and you're making these life decisions that will affect you forever.

00:51:46.000 But it's not pushed.

00:51:48.000 You know, you're shamed almost if you don't go to college, right?

00:51:52.000 Oh, yeah.

00:51:52.000 It's never pushed like, hey, go learn a technical skill where you can do a year of apprenticeship or college or study and then go make six figures in a job.

00:52:03.000 One of the biggest times in my life where I felt like a loser was right out of high school, because I took a year off, and I remember just telling people that I was going to take a year off, and they're like, how could you?

00:52:12.000 So this is Boston, too, which is very hardcore, blue-collar workers and educated people that work hard.

00:52:21.000 Everybody works hard in Boston. 0.95

00:52:23.000 It's cold as fuck in the winter, and you've got to work. 0.98

00:52:25.000 Everybody works. 1.00

00:52:26.000 And so me taking a year off is like, oh, man, you're ruining your fucking life. 1.00

00:52:30.000 Joe's going to be a loser. 1.00

00:52:31.000 So I really only went to college so that people didn't think I was a loser. 0.99

00:52:36.000 That's true.

00:52:37.000 And what did you study?

00:52:39.000 Well, I went to UMass Boston, and it was one of those deals where you didn't have to have your SATs, because it was like a continuing education program.

00:52:49.000 So I just started taking courses there, and I did it for three years.

00:52:53.000 And then I was like, what am I doing?

00:52:54.000 Then I quit.

00:52:55.000 Yeah.

00:52:56.000 Nice.

00:52:56.000 It worked out.

00:52:58.000 It did, but it didn't have to.

00:53:00.000 But, I mean, nothing I studied was interesting to me.

00:53:02.000 I mean, in terms of something to do for a living.

00:53:04.000 I thought, you know, what am I going to do?

00:53:07.000 I just couldn't figure out anything that was like a traditional job that seemed even remotely appealing.

00:53:13.000 Everything looked like death.

00:53:15.000 It just looked like the death of fun, the death of hopes and dreams.

00:53:18.000 It was just...

00:53:19.000 But also, you're 18, 19, and 20. Yeah.

00:53:22.000 I was so full of energy, too, and I just wanted to go do stuff.

00:53:25.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:53:26.000 The last thing I wanted to do is sit in some fucking classroom and listen to some nonsense and memorize it. 0.99

00:53:31.000 That's what I like about friends in Australia or Europe. 0.99

00:53:35.000 Most of those kids, they finish school and then they take a year, right?

00:53:39.000 They save up their money and then they take a year of traveling, going to different cultures, areas, come to the States, different parts of Europe, Asia, whatever, and...

00:53:49.000 Go to different cultures.

00:53:50.000 Think about things.

00:53:51.000 Yeah.

00:53:52.000 Find out what's attractive to you.

00:53:53.000 Yeah, what they're into.

00:53:54.000 Be different people.

00:53:56.000 Yeah, that's one of the great things about social media now is that people are able to make a living off of things that were very difficult to pursue, like art.

00:54:06.000 Like, if you have, like, really good art, you can, you know, post it on social media and people share it, and the next thing you know, you have orders coming in and you're painting for a living.

00:54:14.000 Yeah.

00:54:15.000 I love it.

00:54:16.000 It's great.

00:54:16.000 It's amazing.

00:54:17.000 It's one of the beautiful things about our time.

00:54:19.000 The more people can escape a system where someone tells you what to do, I think the better.

00:54:25.000 I mean, there's some people that want that, and that's fine.

00:54:27.000 There's nothing wrong with wanting a good job.

00:54:29.000 There's great jobs out there.

00:54:30.000 Nothing wrong with that. 0.99

00:54:31.000 But if you're one of those people like me that just can't fucking sit still, and that seemed impossible to you, you know, back then, you know, you just felt like a loser. 1.00

00:54:41.000 You felt like a fool. 1.00

00:54:43.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.99

00:54:45.000 I mean, what colleges did you get in?

00:54:47.000 Oh, I didn't get in this one.

00:54:49.000 Didn't get in the UC. There's so much pressure on people.

00:54:52.000 And there's zero...

00:54:54.000 I mean, when you were a kid and you were playing football, what was the attitude about playing in the NFL? Was it that this was a pipe dream?

00:55:03.000 Was it something that was realistic because you were talented?

00:55:06.000 How did people approach that?

00:55:09.000 I was on a spring break trip with a buddy of mine, I remember, and yes, we were 15 hours in a 15-passenger van going down to Mexico doing some humanitarian work down there.

00:55:22.000 That was how I'd spent my sophomore year.

00:55:23.000 And I remember we, you know, you're talking about who knows what, because back then you might have had a Walkman, but other than that, you didn't have any technology.

00:55:32.000 And my buddy said, you know, what do you want to do?

00:55:35.000 And I said, I want to play in the NFL. He's like, yeah, right.

00:55:40.000 You should call that dude up every month.

00:55:46.000 But it was a pipe dream.

00:55:48.000 It was a dream, for sure, but a pipe dream.

00:55:50.000 One of my favorite stories about somebody who didn't believe in me was I had this teacher at Cal, and I wrote this paper in a food appreciation class.

00:56:02.000 That was the class, food appreciation.

00:56:04.000 I could go to that class.

00:56:06.000 And there's like 15 kids on the team in that class.

00:56:11.000 Class of like, let's say 120 people, right?

00:56:13.000 And I wrote a paper, and she said I cited incorrectly.

00:56:17.000 So we had these breakout classes.

00:56:20.000 Of the 120, there'd be like six breakout classes of 20. So in my class of 20, let's say 15. It was like three-fourths.

00:56:29.000 So 15 of the kids didn't cite it exactly how she said.

00:56:35.000 14 of them got to rewrite the paper.

00:56:37.000 Not me.

00:56:38.000 So I said, okay.

00:56:40.000 I'm gonna go see her at her hours, right?

00:56:43.000 So at Cal, we had practice at 2 o'clock.

00:56:46.000 So you had to be up top at the football facility at 2 o'clock.

00:56:49.000 So I told my quarterback coach, I'm gonna be late this day.

00:56:51.000 I gotta go to this teacher's Hours will start at 2 o'clock.

00:56:54.000 So I went to her office and she was ready for me.

00:56:58.000 She had my paper out.

00:56:59.000 I said, look, I'm not asking for a special privilege here, but the other 14 kids who got an F on the paper got to re-write the paper and I didn't.

00:57:08.000 And she ripped me apart.

00:57:10.000 You are an entitled athlete.

00:57:12.000 You expect things to be given to you.

00:57:14.000 What are you going to do with your life?

00:57:15.000 I said, I'm going to play in the NFL. She said, no way in hell.

00:57:19.000 No way in hell?

00:57:21.000 You won't make it.

00:57:21.000 You'll get hurt.

00:57:22.000 You'll never make it.

00:57:23.000 Whoa.

00:57:24.000 You will need your education and you will never make it.

00:57:26.000 And what I've seen from you is you won't amount to anything.

00:57:30.000 Oh my God.

00:57:31.000 And I said, watch me.

00:57:34.000 What a terrible thing to say to a kid.

00:57:36.000 Big props to that food appreciation teacher at Cal for trying to ruin my life and my dreams, and he just gave me some ammo.

00:57:47.000 What a just irresponsible way to communicate with someone who's young and has their whole life ahead of them. 0.87

00:57:52.000 But then again, that's part of the problem is that people don't have their whole life ahead of them anymore.

00:57:56.000 And then they see people coming up and they get upset.

00:58:00.000 They're upset by people that they deem to be privileged or they deem to have a better place in life than they had.

00:58:07.000 The crazy thing is I was probably the best athlete student in that class, and the one who was actually trying to take it seriously.

00:58:14.000 So she specifically singled you out just because you're an athlete and didn't allow you to...

00:58:19.000 So she wanted to damage your grades. 1.00

00:58:20.000 The best part is, so I'm late to my QB meeting, and I have a meeting after practice that day with the liaison.

00:58:27.000 I don't know what his exact title was, but he was a liaison between the players and the school, basically.

00:58:32.000 And I said, hey, look...

00:58:34.000 Here's what happened.

00:58:35.000 I went in this office.

00:58:36.000 I told the whole story.

00:58:37.000 I was trying to get the same treatment as the other 14 kids who had to rewrite the paper. 0.99

00:58:41.000 And she kind of ripped my ass and was a little derogatory. 1.00

00:58:47.000 I didn't think that was fair or appropriate. 0.99

00:58:51.000 They brought some heat down on her, so she had a vendetta against me.

00:58:55.000 At the end of the semester, she wrote up a three-page paper trying to get me expelled from campus.

00:59:01.000 I had to go in front of the Judicial Affairs Board at Cal in some kangaroo court.

00:59:11.000 And ended up having to write...

00:59:13.000 It was two options.

00:59:14.000 One, expulsion.

00:59:16.000 Or two, I could write an apology letter to this teacher. 1.00

00:59:20.000 She made up all this great shit. 1.00

00:59:22.000 I was late to class every day. 1.00

00:59:23.000 I was disruptive.

00:59:25.000 I literally was on time every day, sat in the middle of the row, and was probably one of the only football players actually taking notes and paying attention.

00:59:37.000 So she just lied?

00:59:38.000 Yeah.

00:59:39.000 Wow.

00:59:41.000 Maybe she had a thing with football players.

00:59:43.000 I don't know.

00:59:44.000 It's so sad that there's people like that out there.

00:59:49.000 Isn't that social media to an extent now?

00:59:51.000 It's people who are upset and bitter and want to be offended by something, and so they'll do anything.

00:59:58.000 To, like, make themselves feel better.

01:00:00.000 If I can put somebody down, if I can rip somebody apart, if I can find somebody offended about, and then away we go.

01:00:07.000 That's that old expression, right?

01:00:09.000 Hurt people hurt people.

01:00:10.000 She's a damaged lady when she decided to take it out on you. 1.00

01:00:13.000 Took it out on the wrong person, though.

01:00:16.000 I bet she took it out on a lot of people that were the right person.

01:00:19.000 She's probably pretty effective with those tactics. 1.00

01:00:21.000 It's like, hey, lady, you're teaching a fucking food appreciation class. 1.00

01:00:27.000 What do you learn in food appreciation? 0.99

01:00:29.000 Is it just like appreciation of different culinary styles?

01:00:34.000 What are you learning?

01:00:35.000 I couldn't tell you.

01:00:37.000 Nothing stuck with me.

01:00:40.000 Except her attitude. 0.62

01:00:41.000 Yeah, that's unfortunate, man.

01:00:43.000 There's a lot of people like that.

01:00:45.000 And some of them, they ruin lives.

01:00:47.000 And some of them, they just give people fuel.

01:00:49.000 They give people anger and determination to prove that person wrong. 0.98

01:00:54.000 Yeah, but the shit part is, like you said, for me, it made me just work that much harder because I'm like another person that I can prove wrong. 0.97

01:01:02.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:01:02.000 But for people not as mentally tough or more easily offended or hurt by something like that, I mean... 0.98

01:01:10.000 It's possible, like you said, that she could have, you know, been detrimental to other people.

01:01:16.000 Why?

01:01:17.000 Because you have some tiny position of power?

01:01:19.000 Yeah.

01:01:20.000 And you have some sort of vendetta against, what, the world?

01:01:24.000 That you're teaching a food appreciation class?

01:01:27.000 Yeah, the power.

01:01:28.000 That's the big one, right?

01:01:30.000 The fact that she had that ability.

01:01:31.000 That is so intoxicating for people.

01:01:34.000 They have control over folks.

01:01:36.000 When I talk about power, I talk about the head of a homeowners association.

01:01:40.000 Homeowners association?

01:01:41.000 HOA. Oh, yeah.

01:01:42.000 The people that run those things.

01:01:45.000 I was in an HOA years ago, and I was trying to get a fence built behind my house, because there was like a running trail behind it, and I like my privacy.

01:01:55.000 And I went to this meeting, and the guy in front of me, poor guy, he had to paint five different colors on his garage of the color he wanted to paint his house, and had to have people from the community come by and vote on it.

01:02:06.000 Oh my God.

01:02:08.000 And he had come by, this was the second month that he had came by, and this 80-year-old woman, who has just an ounce of power in the community, who's running the HOA, goes, I'm sorry, sir, you don't have enough votes.

01:02:18.000 You gotta come back next month. 0.99

01:02:20.000 This fucking guy's just trying to paint his, you know, his fucking house and he's got like, you know, it's five shades of like between tan and brown, you know, it's all the same goddamn color. 1.00

01:02:30.000 Oh, God. 1.00

01:02:31.000 Come on, man.

01:02:32.000 That's hilarious.

01:02:33.000 Yeah, I've seen people get very upset about that.

01:02:36.000 In fact, this community that I lived in, there was a homeowners association dispute and then somebody poisoned the dogs.

01:02:43.000 Of people that were running the Homeowners Association.

01:02:47.000 So like two different dogs got poisoned and they never figured out who did it.

01:02:52.000 They don't know what happened but this person, whoever it was, killed people's dogs because they didn't like the way they were being treated by the Homeowners Association. 1.00

01:03:03.000 Yeah, man, fucking... 0.99

01:03:04.000 Some people need conflict in their life, you know, and that, you know, and being told what to do by someone in the Homeowners Association, it's a fucking... 1.00

01:03:14.000 Yeah. 0.79

01:03:17.000 Yeah, it's a strange thing, man.

01:03:19.000 Power.

01:03:20.000 Power is a weird weapon that people wield.

01:03:24.000 And they really enjoy it.

01:03:26.000 When you're the boss of an office building or you're the person that gets to tell a student that they can't rewrite their paper. 1.00

01:03:35.000 There's people that get off on that shit. 1.00

01:03:37.000 It's the most intoxicating drug, I think, probably. 1.00

01:03:40.000 Yeah.

01:03:42.000 There's some other ones, though, that are pretty intoxicating.

01:03:44.000 Yeah, there's some other ones.

01:03:46.000 Sometimes they mix them.

01:03:49.000 Sometimes they're on one when they're getting the natural one from telling you what to do.

01:03:54.000 Yeah, it's awful.

01:03:56.000 But again, there's always those stories, right?

01:03:58.000 There's always those stories of people that try to hold someone back and it doesn't work and then you get to tell people about it.

01:04:03.000 It's great.

01:04:04.000 I'm thankful for it.

01:04:05.000 Yeah, right. 0.98

01:04:06.000 There's people in your life that their shitty attitude gives you fuel. 0.99

01:04:09.000 Yeah. 0.83

01:04:10.000 And it also, it's a lesson to never behave that way.

01:04:13.000 I mean, not that you ever would, but it's like a real affirmation of that.

01:04:18.000 Yeah.

01:04:19.000 It doesn't take a whole lot to show a little bit of kindness.

01:04:23.000 No, and it's great for you too.

01:04:25.000 That's what people need to understand.

01:04:27.000 They think that by being kind, you're just being good to that person at the detriment of yourself or at your own expense.

01:04:33.000 But no, it's the opposite.

01:04:36.000 It's actually selfish to be nice because it feels great to be kind and generous.

01:04:40.000 It feels great.

01:04:41.000 It's amazing.

01:04:41.000 It's nice.

01:04:42.000 It's the best.

01:04:43.000 Yeah, nothing wrong with it.

01:04:47.000 So it's just people need to learn that.

01:04:50.000 There's so many examples that they see, at least they think that this is what's happening, where this mean, shitty person who tells everybody what to do and is a dictator, that person gets ahead.

01:05:03.000 So they think that they have to be like that. 0.92

01:05:05.000 Yeah.

01:05:07.000 That has always been the Hollywood way, right?

01:05:10.000 That's like Ari Gold from Entourage. 1.00

01:05:12.000 You succeed by telling everybody to fuck off and yell at everybody and kick them out. 0.99

01:05:17.000 And I think there's a lot of people that want to get to that place where they can do that to people. 1.00

01:05:23.000 They have to listen. 1.00

01:05:24.000 Everybody has to kiss my ass. 1.00

01:05:26.000 That's what's glorified in TV shows and movies, right? 1.00

01:05:28.000 Is that archetype of the don't give a fuck leader who gets everybody to do exactly what he wants them to do or she wants them to do. 0.97

01:05:38.000 There's other ways of maybe living and doing things. 0.99

01:05:42.000 Yeah, there are, but not if you have shitty employees. 0.97

01:05:46.000 Then there's that problem. 0.90

01:05:47.000 There's people that don't want to listen, they're not good, and you have to crack the whip, and then I think over time it becomes easier to be that sort of shitty dictator than it is to have this sort of balanced, nuanced approach to people and communicate with them and try to help them do better. 0.97

01:06:06.000 Can you just fire those people? 0.98

01:06:08.000 You should. 1.00

01:06:10.000 Yeah, you should probably just fire those people. 1.00

01:06:12.000 And you're gone.

01:06:13.000 And then you get sued.

01:06:14.000 You know what I mean?

01:06:15.000 Yeah.

01:06:15.000 In this day and age, people decide you singled them out because of their sexual orientation or the way they look or what part of the world they're from.

01:06:22.000 And it's like...

01:06:25.000 It's a strange time.

01:06:27.000 It's a time of a lot of information, a lot of communication, but also a lot of chaos.

01:06:30.000 There's got to be a reset, though.

01:06:32.000 I feel like there's got to be rebalancing at some point.

01:06:36.000 I feel like it's happening.

01:06:37.000 Yeah?

01:06:38.000 Yeah, I mean...

01:06:38.000 How so?

01:06:39.000 I just think people are fed up.

01:06:41.000 I think there's a large percentage of the population that realize that...

01:06:45.000 A lot of the behavior that you're seeing people exhibit and a lot of the chaos of this online mob culture, it's negative.

01:06:53.000 It's not helpful and maybe they've been through it or know someone has been through it or maybe they even participated in it and they feel terrible.

01:07:01.000 And they don't want it anymore.

01:07:03.000 I hope so for like comedy.

01:07:05.000 Yeah.

01:07:05.000 And what it's the attack on comedy.

01:07:08.000 College campus safe spaces.

01:07:11.000 Yeah.

01:07:12.000 That's where I worry about it.

01:07:13.000 Because remember, I was talking years ago, like back 2014, 2015, we were mocking these stories that are coming out of colleges and the way people are behaving.

01:07:23.000 And just the general, the rules of discourse, the way they were limiting the way people communicate about things.

01:07:32.000 And I was saying that I think this is a real problem.

01:07:36.000 People saying, well, why do you care about that?

01:07:38.000 This has nothing to do with you.

01:07:39.000 You know, you're a middle-aged comedian.

01:07:41.000 This is not going to affect your life.

01:07:43.000 I'm like, that's going to, those guys are going to graduate.

01:07:47.000 These people that have this attitude are going to graduate and then they're going to infect corporations. 0.63

01:07:50.000 Then it's going to spread.

01:07:52.000 And that's exactly what happened.

01:07:54.000 And I wasn't the only one that was thinking this either.

01:07:57.000 There was a lot of people that were sort of sounding the alarm early on.

01:08:01.000 Some of the funniest ones were Peter Boghossian, Helen Pluckros, and James Lindsay.

01:08:06.000 They put together these grievance studies, these fake studies, and one was homoerotic behavior and rape culture in dog parks.

01:08:17.000 So they put together these fake- and they got awards for these studies.

01:08:21.000 And one of them was fat bodybuilding.

01:08:25.000 Yeah, they put together a fat bodybuilding study, and these studies were peer-reviewed, and they got applause for these things and praise.

01:08:36.000 And then, you know, they all got in trouble when it turned out that these were fake studies. 0.90

01:08:42.000 But they were trying to highlight a real problem with nonsense, ridiculous coddling and nonsense of terrible ideas. 0.78

01:08:51.000 And that these ideologies were not objective or that they're not rational. 0.97

01:08:57.000 And they were trying to express that.

01:08:59.000 And they did it through humor.

01:09:00.000 And people were very, very upset that they got duped.

01:09:04.000 And even then, I remember people saying, like, why do you care?

01:09:07.000 I'm like, what do you mean, why do I care?

01:09:08.000 This is going to spread.

01:09:10.000 I have children.

01:09:10.000 They're going to go to these schools.

01:09:12.000 They're going to learn this stuff.

01:09:14.000 Like, this is not good.

01:09:16.000 And you think it's changing?

01:09:17.000 I think so.

01:09:18.000 I don't think it's changing that much in colleges.

01:09:21.000 In colleges, I think it's probably doubling down.

01:09:23.000 I think colleges are going to be the real breeding ground for those sort of mental diseases.

01:09:30.000 So what has to change, do you think?

01:09:33.000 People stopped going to college.

01:09:35.000 I don't know.

01:09:36.000 No, I think...

01:09:37.000 Well, now they got their loans paid for, so...

01:09:39.000 Yeah.

01:09:39.000 Well, they only got $10,000 worth.

01:09:41.000 It was a fucking weird gesture. 0.91

01:09:45.000 Well, they didn't have much money left after they sent all that money to Ukraine, so we got... 0.98

01:09:48.000 Yeah.

01:09:49.000 And to hire 87,000 IRS agents.

01:09:52.000 And arm them.

01:09:53.000 Yeah.

01:09:56.000 That was one of the best things about the ad when they were calling out for people that you might have to use lethal force. 0.99

01:10:02.000 Like, since when does a fucking IRS agent shoot people? 0.99

01:10:05.000 Like, aren't you just supposed to collect money? 1.00

01:10:08.000 Like, why are you shooting people?

01:10:09.000 Why is that in the job description?

01:10:11.000 I don't know if you remember this, and maybe Jamie can look it up so it verifies this, but...

01:10:15.000 I believe a few years ago when there was an ammo shortage, there was conversation around the fact that kind of bizarrely the government and I believe at the time the IRS had bought up something like over a billion or a couple billion rounds of ammunition.

01:10:33.000 I remember thinking at the time, maybe it's TSA as well.

01:10:37.000 I remember thinking, I feel like IRS, what do they need ammunition for?

01:10:44.000 That's kind of strange, right?

01:10:45.000 Yeah.

01:10:46.000 Yeah, I don't know why the IRS would need ammunition.

01:10:49.000 Unless there's some person who won't pay taxes and is holed up.

01:10:53.000 GOP wants answers on IRS's $700,000 ammo stockpile as Dems okay $80 billion for agency enforcement.

01:11:05.000 And this is in August of 2022. I'm talking about five, six, seven years ago.

01:11:11.000 Well, this is just a week ago.

01:11:12.000 Yeah.

01:11:14.000 Yeah, it's a lot of ammo.

01:11:16.000 For what?

01:11:17.000 Isn't it a bunch of CPAs? 0.63

01:11:19.000 Yeah.

01:11:20.000 They like to be strapped.

01:11:21.000 Yeah.

01:11:22.000 Just in case someone comes through the files.

01:11:24.000 I would imagine there would be a situation where someone was a criminal, and they were hiding their taxes, and the IRS agents were in danger because they were going to target the IRS agent that was investigating their case.

01:11:38.000 I could imagine that, but I think that would be a rare thing, and you would involve traditional law enforcement.

01:11:47.000 I mean, are they technically law enforcement?

01:11:49.000 What's the technical definition of IRS? It's not law enforcement, is it?

01:11:56.000 I guess so, right?

01:11:58.000 Kind of.

01:12:00.000 Revenue service.

01:12:06.000 Responsible for collecting taxes and administering their internal revenue code, the main body of the federal statutory tax law.

01:12:16.000 Strapped.

01:12:18.000 Strapped.

01:12:19.000 Looking like John Wick showing up at your house, looking for that extra $2,000.

01:12:23.000 Jeez.

01:12:26.000 I mean, it all comes down to glorified revenue collectors.

01:12:29.000 I mean, that's what, unfortunately, that's what they turned a lot of police officers into, too.

01:12:34.000 You see all these, you know, these speed traps and traffic stops and all the...

01:12:40.000 I mean, they're just glorified revenue collectors in some places.

01:12:45.000 Yeah.

01:12:47.000 How does that change?

01:12:48.000 You know, how does that get better?

01:12:49.000 How do we flip that?

01:12:51.000 Well, I mean, anarchists, their solution is that, I mean, I saw Michael Malice actually talking about this the other day, and he was making some very good points.

01:13:01.000 And he was saying that there's no accountability when it comes to the police.

01:13:05.000 In that if they were a private institution, they would have accountability.

01:13:10.000 Like, if it was a private institution that was hired to take care of things, they would be able to say, hey, you've done a terrible job of enforcing crime.

01:13:18.000 Look at all this crime.

01:13:19.000 Like, what justifies your pay?

01:13:21.000 You've done a terrible job of this.

01:13:23.000 You've confiscated resources from people and not returned them.

01:13:28.000 You owe them that.

01:13:29.000 That was one of the things they were doing in the South.

01:13:32.000 In Florida.

01:13:33.000 Yeah.

01:13:34.000 A couple states were doing it, where they would pull you over.

01:13:38.000 Say if you were on your way to go buy a car and you had $25,000 in a bag, they would just confiscate that money.

01:13:46.000 And then you would have to prove Even if you had a job.

01:13:49.000 Like you say, look, I make $100,000 a year.

01:13:51.000 I saved up 25 grand.

01:13:52.000 I'm going to go buy this 69 Camaro.

01:13:54.000 No, no, no.

01:13:55.000 We take that money, and then you have to prove.

01:13:59.000 So you have to wait in court, and then you have to somehow or another get a court order to give you that money back.

01:14:05.000 And I think a large percentage of that money was never returned.

01:14:09.000 And they can pound your vehicle and then sell your vehicle?

01:14:12.000 Yes, yes.

01:14:13.000 And you would have to prove all these things that you weren't just...

01:14:17.000 I mean, it's just cash.

01:14:19.000 Like, meanwhile, if you have the exact same amount in the bank, oh, you're a good guy.

01:14:22.000 You saved up your money.

01:14:23.000 You're probably frugal.

01:14:25.000 You know?

01:14:25.000 Look at this.

01:14:26.000 He's got all this money in the bank.

01:14:27.000 Great.

01:14:28.000 But how long before that happens?

01:14:29.000 Like, why do you have all this money in the bank?

01:14:31.000 Right.

01:14:32.000 You know?

01:14:33.000 Well, you have $25,000 in the bank.

01:14:34.000 Well, we're going to freeze that money until we investigate how you acquired $25,000.

01:14:39.000 I mean, all of these different draconian measures that they use to make their life easier and their life more convenient and certainly enrich the coffers of these states and their budgets.

01:14:55.000 That all would be eliminated if they were accountable and if there was some sort of a privatized version of the police.

01:15:03.000 He was making a very interesting argument about it that I'd never really considered before.

01:15:08.000 And I don't know if that's the solution, but something has to change.

01:15:12.000 I don't think private prisons are the solution.

01:15:14.000 That's definitely not the solution.

01:15:16.000 No.

01:15:16.000 That's definitely not the solution.

01:15:18.000 That's incentivizing people to create ways where people are doing something illegal.

01:15:23.000 And that's what we found when you look into marijuana legalization.

01:15:28.000 One of the biggest opponents of marijuana legalization was prison guard unions. 0.95

01:15:35.000 Prison guard unions wanted no part of that because that's going to have less people in prison, so there's going to be less jobs for prison guards, which is fucking wild.

01:15:43.000 So you're basically using people as a battery to generate money.

01:15:46.000 You're basically using human beings and you're coming up with reasons to lock them up and put them in a cage and that generates revenue for your company.

01:15:56.000 And you're actively trying to make sure that laws stay in place that are unjust because those laws, as they are now, are profitable for you.

01:16:08.000 We were reading about this case of this guy who was selling pot to an undercover cop.

01:16:17.000 On four different occasions, he sold pot to an undercover cop.

01:16:21.000 And when you add up all of the amount of pot that he sold, it was about an ounce.

01:16:25.000 And they put him in jail for 15 years.

01:16:27.000 And this is in Phoenix, where marijuana is now legal.

01:16:32.000 So this guy is in jail in Phoenix for 15 years for selling something that you can now buy at a store.

01:16:40.000 Is he out now?

01:16:40.000 No, they denied his clemency because of his past record, which I think is really ridiculous, because if someone gets arrested and they do something and they get out, in my mind, they did their time.

01:16:52.000 This is a person that was punished for whatever crime.

01:16:54.000 You can't apply this other crime that they've already been punished for to some new crime that, in my eyes, shouldn't be a crime at all.

01:17:03.000 Not violent crimes.

01:17:05.000 No.

01:17:06.000 That's a large percentage of the people that are in jail in this country.

01:17:09.000 That's why the hypocrisy about the Brittany Griner situation was so egregious in this country, where Kamala Harris is talking about how horrible it is that Brittany Griner's in jail. 0.99

01:17:19.000 Well, you put people in jail.

01:17:21.000 You did.

01:17:22.000 Thousands of people in jail for marijuana.

01:17:26.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:17:28.000 Hello?

01:17:29.000 Yeah, and that was like the student loan debt forgiveness.

01:17:34.000 That's great.

01:17:35.000 But how come you guys didn't exonerate people that were in jail for marijuana when you said you were going to?

01:17:40.000 They said that they were going to make marijuana federally legal.

01:17:43.000 They said they were going to exonerate prisoners who are in jail for nonviolent drug offenses.

01:17:48.000 That's what they said.

01:17:49.000 None of that has happened.

01:17:50.000 You mean a politician said something they ran on and then didn't actually enact that said policy?

01:17:55.000 I know, it's crazy.

01:17:56.000 It rarely happens.

01:17:57.000 But occasionally you catch them.

01:18:02.000 I'll tell you what gets me, and I don't really want to dwell too much on the COVID stuff anymore, but one thing that really sticks with me when you're talking about things that the government could do to make people's lives better is...

01:18:17.000 You know, I'm 38. People that, you know, around my age I grew up with, went to high school with, college with, a lot of them are in that age group now where people are starting their own business.

01:18:28.000 They've worked in corporate maybe.

01:18:29.000 They've figured out exactly what they want to do.

01:18:30.000 They start their own small business.

01:18:32.000 And small business is the backbone of America, right?

01:18:36.000 And how many thousands and thousands and thousands of small businesses closed and never opened again?

01:18:42.000 Restaurants, bars, establishments like that because of COVID, right?

01:18:49.000 And safety, you know?

01:18:51.000 Started as two weeks to flatten the curve and then went to lockdowns in places like Chico, California, where I'm from, where there were multiple stretches of time where there were zero cases.

01:19:06.000 Yeah.

01:19:24.000 Yeah, some of my favorite restaurants in L.A. are gone.

01:19:26.000 I think at one point in time, L.A. had lost 75% of its restaurants, which is insane.

01:19:32.000 It's insanity.

01:19:32.000 It's so hard to run a restaurant already.

01:19:36.000 And so what are they going to do for those people?

01:19:38.000 Nothing.

01:19:39.000 Nothing.

01:19:40.000 And no accountability.

01:19:42.000 No accountability for these decisions that show there was no science behind it.

01:19:45.000 John Hopkins comes out of the study talking about these lockdowns more detriment than good.

01:19:51.000 And they're not the only research place that's done these type of studies.

01:19:57.000 But are they going to go back and reverse it? 0.99

01:20:00.000 And they say, oh, tough shit, sorry. 0.99

01:20:03.000 Because I think on one level, it's really one of two extremes, right? 1.00

01:20:06.000 Either they really thought they were doing the right thing.

01:20:10.000 Or...

01:20:12.000 There's some coordinated plan.

01:20:13.000 Maybe it's somewhere in the middle.

01:20:15.000 I don't think there's a coordinated plan.

01:20:16.000 I think people were trying to...

01:20:18.000 I'm just saying what people think, right?

01:20:19.000 Well, I have a friend and his brother works for the COVID response, whatever it is, in California.

01:20:26.000 And you remember when they had made a decision to close outdoor dining?

01:20:31.000 And it turned out that one of the people that made that decision the day she did it went out and was dining outdoors.

01:20:38.000 I thought you meant Gavin Newsom going to French Laundry.

01:20:40.000 Oh, yeah.

01:20:41.000 Yeah, that was fun.

01:20:43.000 This was a different one, but he had a statement.

01:20:47.000 He was like, when they were talking, he said, well, dude, what evidence is there that it's spread in outdoor dining?

01:20:52.000 And she said, it's about optics.

01:20:55.000 So this was a decision that this politician had decided to make, this bureaucrat decided to make, to show that they're doing something.

01:21:02.000 Because the numbers had gone up, so we're going to stop outdoor dining, which showed zero transmission.

01:21:09.000 There was no cases that were connecting to outdoor dining.

01:21:13.000 Especially in the early days of COVID. I think they've since revised that.

01:21:17.000 Omicron apparently is so contagious and some of the new strains are more contagious and they think there may be some instances of outdoor spread.

01:21:27.000 But that was not the case back then.

01:21:29.000 Joe, they closed the beaches in California.

01:21:32.000 Yeah.

01:21:32.000 They closed the beaches.

01:21:34.000 Yeah.

01:21:35.000 Where I live in California and all along the coast.

01:21:39.000 Oh, yeah.

01:21:40.000 Remember that one guy who was getting arrested by the Coast Guard because he was parasailing or something?

01:21:44.000 No, he was surfing.

01:21:45.000 Yeah, he was surfing.

01:21:49.000 The Coast Guard!

01:21:50.000 You're out there by yourself.

01:21:51.000 Yeah.

01:21:51.000 On a surfboard.

01:21:52.000 They're supposed to be stopping terrorists.

01:21:54.000 Passing COVID to the dolphins or what?

01:21:56.000 Come on.

01:21:57.000 What are we doing? 1.00

01:21:58.000 It's so dumb. 0.96

01:22:00.000 But, you know, I hope there's lessons learned in this because this is a new thing. 0.97

01:22:04.000 We had never had this before.

01:22:06.000 No one who was alive today had ever experienced a true pandemic.

01:22:11.000 And I'm hoping that now that this is over, people are going to, you know, recognize that some serious errors were made and not repeat those.

01:22:19.000 That's the best you can get out of it.

01:22:22.000 But as far as compensation for all those people that were forced to close their businesses and keep their doors shuttered and lost everything that they'd worked for decades to build, no, they're just going to be angry.

01:22:33.000 So what do you tell those people?

01:22:34.000 Vote Republican.

01:22:39.000 That's what a lot of them are going to do anyway.

01:22:40.000 Yeah?

01:22:41.000 Yeah.

01:22:41.000 Oh, yeah.

01:22:42.000 I mean, more than a million people transferred over to the Republican Party, I think, in 2021 alone.

01:22:49.000 Find out what that number is.

01:22:51.000 But you look at guys like Ron DeSantis, who kept Florida open and had some pretty reasonable policies in terms of what to do about COVID. And he mapped it out on television.

01:23:01.000 He was widely criticized for this.

01:23:05.000 Where he was saying, like, we need to protect our elders.

01:23:07.000 We need to, you know, make sure that medical care is available for those people and everyone else.

01:23:12.000 You should be able to do whatever you want to do.

01:23:13.000 Protect your freedom.

01:23:15.000 Isn't that the point, though, I think, to learn from this?

01:23:18.000 Yeah, here it is.

01:23:19.000 More than one million voters switched to the GOP raising alarms for Democrats. 1.00

01:23:24.000 The fuck can you think? 0.99

01:23:26.000 A political shift is beginning to hold across the U.S. as tens of thousands of suburban swing voters who helped fuel the Democratic Party's gains in recent years of becoming Republicans. 1.00

01:23:36.000 More than one million voters across 43 states have switched the Republican Party over the last year.

01:23:41.000 And that's registered.

01:23:43.000 That's registering as a...

01:23:45.000 That means you can vote in the primary, right?

01:23:48.000 But Joe Biden's the most popular president in history.

01:23:51.000 Yeah, he's the best.

01:23:52.000 I mean, there's no one better.

01:23:53.000 He's best at talking.

01:23:54.000 He's best at walking upstairs.

01:23:56.000 Good handshaker.

01:23:57.000 He's good at riding bikes.

01:23:59.000 He shakes hands with ghosts.

01:24:02.000 He's not a fan of mine, I don't think.

01:24:04.000 No?

01:24:04.000 No.

01:24:04.000 Did he say anything about you?

01:24:06.000 One thing, he was in Wisconsin for a rally.

01:24:09.000 He said, tell your quarterback to get vaccinated.

01:24:13.000 I remember there was some crisis that was going on, and I remember, oh, it was a hurricane that was coming.

01:24:20.000 They said, the best thing you can do is get vaccinated.

01:24:22.000 That's not it.

01:24:23.000 It's like, what?

01:24:26.000 End of quote.

01:24:27.000 Jesus Christ, buddy.

01:24:30.000 You've seen him on the prompter when he said that.

01:24:31.000 Yes.

01:24:32.000 Repeat the quote.

01:24:33.000 Yeah.

01:24:34.000 Yeah.

01:24:36.000 End of sentence.

01:24:37.000 Repeat the quote.

01:24:38.000 Democrats gotta be thinking, how do we go from Obama to this?

01:24:41.000 Yeah.

01:24:42.000 Well, even Obama said it. 0.94

01:24:43.000 Like, Obama was famously quoted as saying, you know, Joe has an amazing capacity to fuck things up. 0.94

01:24:50.000 Ha ha ha ha ha ha! 1.00

01:24:53.000 I mean, he was a dumb guy when he was okay. 0.99

01:24:56.000 I mean, he's never a bright guy. 1.00

01:24:59.000 I mean, he's very well known as a liar.

01:25:03.000 Like, there's all these videos of him lying about his education record, lying about so many different accomplishments that he's achieved in his life. 1.00

01:25:13.000 He was always a bullshit artist. 1.00

01:25:15.000 And not just a bullshit artist, but like a liar. 1.00

01:25:18.000 Like a flat-out liar. 1.00

01:25:20.000 I graduated at the top of my class.

01:25:22.000 No, you didn't.

01:25:23.000 How would you not know that?

01:25:24.000 How do you not know you didn't graduate at the top of your class?

01:25:27.000 You definitely didn't.

01:25:29.000 You know, why are you saying that?

01:25:30.000 Did somebody hit you over the head and tell you that? 1.00

01:25:32.000 Like, what the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

01:25:34.000 And the fact that he was... 0.99

01:25:36.000 Do you know, we used to have Joe Biden night at Stitch's Comedy Club in Boston because he got caught plagiarizing.

01:25:43.000 So he got caught plagiarizing when he was running for president in 1988. So in 1988, we had Joe Biden night, where, like, you would do my act and I would do your act.

01:25:53.000 We would all plagiarize each other.

01:25:55.000 It was for fun, just for comedians, and people would come by and watch. 0.93

01:25:59.000 That's how well known he was of being a liar.

01:26:02.000 And that's what, 34 years ago?

01:26:04.000 Yeah.

01:26:04.000 But you know what?

01:26:07.000 I think they counted on people's ability to ignore negative press and also the polarization of this country because people hated Donald Trump so bad that Trump represented an opposition that had to be stopped.

01:26:22.000 And so this was an established Democrat.

01:26:25.000 He'd been around for years and We could probably win with him.

01:26:28.000 It turns out they were right.

01:26:30.000 But see, that's the problem with politics.

01:26:32.000 Now it swings because you've got Weekend at Bernie's up there trying to read the prompter, and then some Republican steps up and is going to change the country and get us back to America first and whatever the hell slogan it's going to be, and then four years later it's going to swing back the other way.

01:26:50.000 That's why I always say politics is a sham, man.

01:26:54.000 Well, it definitely is that.

01:26:55.000 If you always say that, you're right.

01:26:57.000 It is.

01:26:58.000 Because people are always like, you're a right-wing, anti-vaxxer, flat-earther. 1.00

01:27:03.000 And I'm like, politics is fucking bullshit. 1.00

01:27:06.000 Left, right. 1.00

01:27:07.000 I do like Obama.

01:27:08.000 I played golf with him.

01:27:09.000 I do like him.

01:27:10.000 He's very...

01:27:12.000 Interesting guy.

01:27:13.000 A lot of charisma.

01:27:14.000 The best president in my lifetime, for sure.

01:27:17.000 He was the most statesman-like, the most articulate.

01:27:20.000 He was the most reasonable and measured.

01:27:25.000 He embodied in my mind what I would like to represent the United States.

01:27:31.000 When the world sees the United States, let's have this super-educated, clear-minded, Just really smooth talker.

01:27:39.000 Seemed like a very nice guy.

01:27:41.000 Well put together.

01:27:41.000 Plays basketball.

01:27:42.000 See how good he is at basketball?

01:27:44.000 Yeah.

01:27:44.000 He's a good golfer, too.

01:27:45.000 Was he?

01:27:46.000 Yeah.

01:27:46.000 Did you win?

01:27:47.000 Did you beat him?

01:27:48.000 I had one of the rounds of my life.

01:27:50.000 Yeah?

01:27:51.000 Thankfully.

01:27:52.000 I played good.

01:27:53.000 I burned the first two holes.

01:27:55.000 Oh, nice.

01:27:55.000 But that was a highlight for sure.

01:27:57.000 That was nice.

01:27:58.000 Cool story.

01:27:59.000 Let me just tell you this one cool story.

01:28:01.000 So in 2010, we played the Washington Redskins at the time, and one of our receivers knew a Secret Service agent and got us a White House tour.

01:28:11.000 So we went to D.C. and got a tour, and Mr. President came back on that Saturday from actually a round of golf, and they shuttered us into the side where, you know, you can't see the President, you gotta get out of the way.

01:28:23.000 And he actually came, he heard we were there, and he came and met all of us in 2010, which is so cool.

01:28:29.000 And then we played golf in 2016, his last year in office, and at the end of the round, he was like...

01:28:37.000 How you guys getting back?

01:28:38.000 And I was with Mark Kelly, who's now the senator in Arizona, and we're like, oh, we just Ubered out here.

01:28:46.000 He's like, yeah, ride back with me in the motorcade. 0.99

01:28:49.000 I was like, fuck yeah, sweet. 0.97

01:28:51.000 So we ride back in the motorcade, which is a wild experience, like nine cars. 0.99

01:28:55.000 One of them's got the codes in it or something, I think.

01:28:58.000 Oh, boy.

01:28:59.000 We get back in the White House, and we walk in, and Mr. President goes, This is just like the first day we met. 0.96

01:29:06.000 And I was like, how fucking cool is that?

01:29:08.000 This dude, I met him six years ago on this same thing, you know, like on a Saturday after a golf round.

01:29:15.000 And he's like...

01:29:17.000 Yeah, this is like the first time we met.

01:29:18.000 Wow.

01:29:19.000 I was like, that's so cool.

01:29:20.000 That's pretty dope.

01:29:20.000 To just be like that present and aware.

01:29:24.000 And then me and Mark Kelly, who flew a space shuttle three times, before his brother spent a year in space, I think he spent the most time in space, walked out of the front door of the White House onto Pennsylvania Avenue.

01:29:39.000 Wow.

01:29:40.000 That was a cool experience.

01:29:40.000 That's pretty dope.

01:29:42.000 Yeah.

01:29:43.000 Well, he was the best we had to offer in terms of what represented.

01:29:47.000 But still, there was a lot of people that didn't appreciate him.

01:29:50.000 He experienced a lot of racism.

01:29:52.000 He experienced a lot of unjust hate.

01:29:55.000 I remember when Fox News was criticizing him because he wore a tan suit.

01:29:59.000 Yeah, I can't do that.

01:30:00.000 It's his beautiful suit.

01:30:01.000 It's got to be the wrong color.

01:30:03.000 It's got to be blue, and it's got to be a red tie or a blue tie, right?

01:30:06.000 That's it.

01:30:06.000 That's all you got.

01:30:07.000 They're like the Homeowners Association of politics. 0.99

01:30:10.000 Like, what the fuck is wrong with this suit? 0.99

01:30:11.000 It's a nice suit. 0.99

01:30:12.000 You're not going to make anybody happy, man.

01:30:13.000 No.

01:30:14.000 Yeah, it's not possible.

01:30:16.000 But that's why no one wants that job.

01:30:18.000 Because no matter who you are, what you represent, someone's going to decide that you're evil. 0.93

01:30:23.000 Even if they don't believe it, there's going to be some pundit, some radio politics personality that's going to talk all kinds of crazy shit about you and make up stories about you.

01:30:35.000 I feel like the last 10 years, it's really, don't you feel that both sides, the extremes, have gotten farther apart? 0.56

01:30:41.000 Like, I feel like for a while it was maybe the right had kind of been more extreme than the left, but I feel like now both sides, there's a real extreme wing to both sides, and there's even a greater divide between the two parties.

01:30:54.000 Yes.

01:30:54.000 Yeah, I think that's in part due to the reaction of Trump.

01:30:58.000 You know, to Trump himself, the way he carries himself, I mean, he's a...

01:31:03.000 He's that guy that got famous from saying you're fired.

01:31:06.000 He got famous and he got all this press from all these crazy statements that he would make.

01:31:12.000 And they would give him all this press and that's what helped get him elected.

01:31:16.000 But it also just made people so angry.

01:31:19.000 I remember we had an End of the World podcast that we did on 2016 during the election.

01:31:27.000 So we did this live podcast from the Comedy Store.

01:31:31.000 And I remember we went into the bar after it was all over and we watched CNN and we were watching like Jake Tapper and all these people like so depressed.

01:31:41.000 They were so angry and so just it was so visibly obvious that these are not objective journalists that are just talking about this thing that happened but they had a very clear mandate and they had a very clear role that they were playing and that role was that we are the people that oppose this terrible thing that has just happened.

01:32:01.000 Where we have legally elected, because of people's opinions, this person, who more than half the person, or at least the Electoral College votes, more than half had decided should be the president.

01:32:15.000 So the people had chosen, and they were like, the people are wrong.

01:32:20.000 It was wild.

01:32:21.000 It was wild to see because I was like, this is interesting because it's like, this is one of the clearest examples of, it's just, they're not objective.

01:32:29.000 These are not journalists.

01:32:30.000 These are not people that are just reporting on actual facts.

01:32:32.000 They had to have this opinion, this dour face and everyone was very upset.

01:32:37.000 Very upset.

01:32:38.000 Which, I mean, I understand it if you're not a journalist. 0.99

01:32:41.000 I understand if you're just a person, and you were a person who thought Hillary Clinton should be president, and then you saw this guy win, and you're like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:32:48.000 But you're not just a person, you're a fucking journalist. 0.98

01:32:51.000 And your job is to tell people what's happening. 0.99

01:32:54.000 But that's not journalism anymore.

01:32:56.000 It's sensationalism.

01:32:57.000 You have ten words on an ESPN front page to try and denote what a story is about to tell you.

01:33:04.000 And how do I get the most clicks on this article just written? 0.98

01:33:08.000 I better make it the craziest fucking headline possible. 0.90

01:33:12.000 Just because if you click on that and you're on the page for one second, that counts as a page view. 0.97

01:33:16.000 But what they didn't understand, and I think they recognize now that there's new leadership at CNN, was that that diminishes public trust.

01:33:24.000 CNN Plus doesn't exist anymore.

01:33:26.000 It was a great idea, but unfortunately they lost $300 million in 10 days, and so they pulled the plug.

01:33:34.000 So weird, because I thought it was going to take off.

01:33:37.000 I mean, who wouldn't want to pay for something that no one watches for free? 0.98

01:33:42.000 Fucking genius idea. 0.99

01:33:44.000 I would have liked to have been in the meeting with those people and just sit down and go, hey guys, look, I know you and I don't see eye to eye on things, but unless you want to lose a lot of fucking money, this is a terrible idea. 0.99

01:33:54.000 If you want to make CNN plus free and then... 0.96

01:33:57.000 You should be a consultant.

01:33:58.000 ...build up advertising revenue ultimately and eventually, yeah.

01:34:02.000 But I think the people that are running CNN now are pretty wise.

01:34:05.000 That's why they got rid of Brian Stelter and everybody else is on the chopping block, because they recognize that this is bad for their bottom line.

01:34:12.000 You can't have people lose all faith and trust that you're objective.

01:34:17.000 And the editorializing that they were doing is so piss poor. 0.92

01:34:20.000 You have these dorks, these people without good social skills and they're not interesting and they're not likable. 0.97

01:34:25.000 And they're the ones that are telling you what you should think. 0.98

01:34:29.000 That's crazy.

01:34:30.000 People don't like that.

01:34:31.000 And so CNN recognizes that now.

01:34:34.000 And now they've started to, you know, get rid of those people.

01:34:37.000 And they want to put in old school objective journalists that are just talking about the facts.

01:34:42.000 That's what CNN should be.

01:34:43.000 Well, they need Trump back.

01:34:44.000 What else are they going to talk about?

01:34:47.000 Well, there's plenty of things to talk about.

01:34:48.000 The problem is that was their business model.

01:34:50.000 That was.

01:34:50.000 Look, these independent people, when you look at like Breaking Points with Krystal and Sagar and Jimmy Dore and all these other people that have these independent political shows that are objective, they give their opinions.

01:35:02.000 I mean, they certainly editorialize, but they're independent because we know they're independent.

01:35:06.000 We know at least if I agree or disagree or like or dislike, at least I know that that's coming from this person.

01:35:12.000 When you would hear these other people talk, you would say, like, you've been given a specific mandate, whether it's from the producers or the executives or whatever.

01:35:21.000 Your organization has a very specific slant, and you're ignoring reality in order to push this slant.

01:35:27.000 And then when people find out that they ignored reality, or they find out that this information is biased and that you've excluded stuff that's contrary to your opinion, then people lose trust in it, and then the ratings drop off radically. 0.99

01:35:41.000 They built this fucking entire business, unfortunately, during the 2016 election, talking about what an asshole Trump was. 1.00

01:35:50.000 And they made that asshole president. 1.00

01:35:55.000 I mean, it's a real argument that they made him president. 1.00

01:35:57.000 Talk about your whole time backfire.

01:35:58.000 Oh, it's a terrible backfire.

01:36:00.000 But that's what he's great at.

01:36:01.000 You know, he's great at using the media and manipulating him in that way and making them talk about him.

01:36:07.000 Yeah, fake news.

01:36:08.000 Have you seen Jamie Foxx's impression?

01:36:10.000 It's incredible. 1.00

01:36:12.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:36:13.000 Go to Jamie Foxx. 1.00

01:36:14.000 I thought that fucking Shane Gillis had a good Trump impression. 0.99

01:36:18.000 Jamie Foxx is the most fucking talented guy that's ever lived. 0.99

01:36:22.000 I agree. 0.99

01:36:22.000 He's so goddamn talented. 0.99

01:36:24.000 NGT. Justin Timberlake's up there as well. 0.99

01:36:26.000 Yeah, but he can't do this.

01:36:28.000 He can't do stand-up.

01:36:29.000 Let me see this.

01:36:29.000 He's a great person.

01:36:30.000 He couldn't vote for me at the time.

01:36:32.000 Now he can vote for me once he gets out.

01:36:34.000 I love Snoop Dill, Double Cheek.

01:36:36.000 Great person.

01:36:36.000 Trump, do you love death row records?

01:36:37.000 I love death row.

01:36:38.000 I love death row.

01:36:39.000 Excuse me.

01:36:40.000 Excuse me.

01:36:41.000 Excuse me.

01:36:42.000 Fake news.

01:36:44.000 I love death row.

01:36:47.000 What's your favorite death row record, Mr. Trump?

01:36:50.000 All of them.

01:36:52.000 Don't try to pin me down.

01:36:54.000 Excuse me.

01:36:56.000 Fake news.

01:36:57.000 Fake news.

01:37:01.000 They tried to give me the virus.

01:37:04.000 I beat the virus.

01:37:06.000 They tried to give me the virus.

01:37:09.000 Who was Dave?

01:37:12.000 I beat the virus. 1.00

01:37:14.000 They were like, fuck yeah! 1.00

01:37:16.000 He beat it! 1.00

01:37:21.000 Goddamn, he's talented. 1.00

01:37:22.000 His fucking impressions are incredible. 1.00

01:37:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:37:25.000 But I think that, you know, that's part of the problem is that, like, what he just said with all the dummies, like, yeah! 1.00

01:37:34.000 Finally, the dummies have a leader.

01:37:36.000 Like, he hit a very specific frequency. 0.98

01:37:39.000 I'm not saying that all the people that supported Trump are dummies, but I'm saying that all the dummies supported Trump. 0.98

01:37:45.000 That's not true either, because there's a lot of dummies on the left. 0.99

01:37:48.000 But these dummies on the right, the ones that just want a very fucking clean, specific three-word narrative, and they, you know, keep America great again, you know, like that, those people, boy, he found their fucking vibration, and he's clung to it. 0.94

01:38:03.000 But now that we all realize that that's possible, and they've woken up this group of people that were previously not politically active, it becomes an issue. 0.95

01:38:14.000 Yeah.

01:38:15.000 I agree, but I don't believe that systems can change until you create alternate systems.

01:38:25.000 Systems don't just change from the inside. 0.97

01:38:29.000 Having a two-party system is one of the craziest fucking things ever. 0.98

01:38:34.000 How many people live in the States? 1.00

01:38:36.000 I think 30, right?

01:38:38.000 330 million?

01:38:39.000 And you can really only back one of two parties.

01:38:41.000 No third party can.

01:38:43.000 Independent's ever going to win.

01:38:44.000 The only one that had a chance was Ron Paul.

01:38:47.000 If Ron Paul went independent, because Ross Perot did it.

01:38:50.000 I mean, Ron Paul was a Republican, but I think that if you had a guy like that, that was saying things that resonated with a large swath of people, and he decided to go independent.

01:39:00.000 But Ross Perot did that.

01:39:02.000 When I was a kid, Ross Perot was running for president, and he took- He took the election from- From Bush Senior.

01:39:09.000 And that's how Clinton won. 0.92

01:39:11.000 Because a lot of people that would have voted for Clinton, they were thinking that he made more sense.

01:39:15.000 Because he took out an entire block of time on network television.

01:39:21.000 That's how wealthy he was.

01:39:23.000 He's like, NBC? I'm going to buy you out for an hour.

01:39:26.000 And he just went on television and explained how the Federal Reserve work and the tax codes work. 0.99

01:39:34.000 He's like, here's how you're getting fucked. 0.99

01:39:36.000 And he did it on television. 0.99

01:39:38.000 And that was terrifying to people.

01:39:41.000 And they actually changed the standards for debates.

01:39:46.000 They raise the amount of votes that you had to get to participate in debates.

01:39:50.000 So you couldn't have a third party?

01:39:51.000 You couldn't have a guy come in and fuck up their rig game. 0.51

01:39:54.000 They have a rig game.

01:39:55.000 The rig game is these enormous special interest groups, they put money into both candidates.

01:40:03.000 Which is wild.

01:40:05.000 And they fund their campaigns and they figure out who's going to win.

01:40:08.000 And then when that person wins, then they get in there and then they make sure that they have undue influence on all sorts of things that affect regular people in a negative way.

01:40:17.000 I don't think they care who wins as long as...

01:40:19.000 Exactly.

01:40:20.000 As long as they...

01:40:21.000 Get what they want.

01:40:21.000 That's the hustle.

01:40:22.000 That's the old Bill Hicks joke.

01:40:24.000 And it's both sides.

01:40:25.000 Bill Hicks used to have the joke, well, I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.

01:40:29.000 Well, I support the puppet on the right.

01:40:32.000 And they're like, hey, wait a minute.

01:40:33.000 There's one guy holding both puppets.

01:40:35.000 Yeah.

01:40:35.000 Go to bed, America.

01:40:37.000 We've got you covered.

01:40:39.000 And that's the reality of our political process.

01:40:41.000 And the only way you're going to do that is to take money out of politics. 0.98

01:40:45.000 And good fucking luck with that. 0.98

01:40:47.000 That's one of those things. 0.99

01:40:48.000 It's like, once you've got herpes, you've got herpes.

01:40:51.000 You can take Valtrex, you can do whatever you gotta do, but you've got herpes, kid.

01:40:56.000 I hate to tell it to you, but this is what our country is.

01:40:59.000 I mean, our political process has VD, you know, and I don't know how to get it out.

01:41:04.000 I don't know how...

01:41:05.000 I mean...

01:41:08.000 Look, 300 years ago they started another country. 1.00

01:41:11.000 Because they're like, look, where we're at is fucked. 1.00

01:41:12.000 We're getting screwed over. 0.99

01:41:14.000 Let's start this experiment in self-government that became the United States.

01:41:18.000 And, you know, clearly by people that had an understanding of where human nature can go wrong.

01:41:25.000 And they put all these checks and balances in place and they separated powers and they did it in a way that they hoped would be, you know, preparing this country for the future in a way that it would be for the people by the people.

01:41:40.000 And, you know, it was a good idea.

01:41:41.000 It was a brilliant, amazing idea at the time.

01:41:45.000 Unprecedented.

01:41:46.000 Nothing like it.

01:41:47.000 And it spawned the greatest superpower the world's ever known, the most creative force the world has ever known.

01:41:54.000 I mean, the influence that United States culture has had on the rest of the world is really like nothing else. 0.97

01:42:01.000 I mean, it's fucking wild. 0.99

01:42:03.000 If you think about the music that's come out of here, the comedy, the films, the sports, the shit that's come out of the United States is bananas. 0.99

01:42:11.000 And it came out in many ways because of the freedom That people were given by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. 0.73

01:42:19.000 Yeah, which doesn't exist in most countries anywhere close to it. 0.93

01:42:25.000 Well, that's unfortunately what a lot of people find out when they decide to go against the United States and then they wind up getting arrested like Brittney Griner did in Russia and you realize, oh, there's places that are fucking way worse.

01:42:37.000 You don't get a fair trial. 0.89

01:42:39.000 You get treated like a political pawn.

01:42:43.000 Yeah.

01:42:43.000 And that's where we're at right now.

01:42:46.000 Look, there's a lot of problems in this country.

01:42:47.000 There's a lot of problems with any group of human beings, especially when those groups get enormous.

01:42:52.000 There's no way you're going to have a group of 333 million people where everybody agrees on everything and everybody gets along great.

01:42:59.000 It doesn't work that way.

01:43:00.000 That's not how human beings are.

01:43:02.000 The people find conflict.

01:43:03.000 There's people that create conflict.

01:43:06.000 It benefits them.

01:43:08.000 It's their business is conflict.

01:43:09.000 So you're always going to have conflict.

01:43:11.000 Unless everybody takes mushrooms.

01:43:13.000 That would help a lot.

01:43:14.000 That would help a lot.

01:43:16.000 Isn't it funny that that sounds like a crazy thing to say, but that literally would fix the world.

01:43:22.000 If more people had psychedelic trips and more people had an experience that dissolved their ego and more people had an understanding that Community isn't just simply a bunch of people that live together.

01:43:34.000 It's a bunch of people that care about each other and that we could treat the world like a community that could be done.

01:43:40.000 It could be done in small groups of people and it could be done in large groups of people.

01:43:44.000 And again, you're not going to resolve all conflict.

01:43:46.000 You're always going to have conflict.

01:43:47.000 No, no chance.

01:43:47.000 But at least we would have a shift in the way people view each other and think about things.

01:43:53.000 Yeah, I couldn't agree anymore.

01:43:58.000 How much psychedelic use is in the NFL? How many guys are using psychedelics?

01:44:03.000 I don't know.

01:44:04.000 I mean, I talked recently about my own ayahuasca journey.

01:44:08.000 Everybody has an ayahuasca journey, by the way.

01:44:11.000 It's always a journey.

01:44:13.000 I'm on an ayahuasca journey.

01:44:14.000 What do you call it?

01:44:15.000 Ceremony?

01:44:16.000 No, that's even worse.

01:44:17.000 Yeah, plant medicine is where it gets squirrely.

01:44:20.000 But you've done ayahuasca.

01:44:21.000 No, I've not.

01:44:22.000 I've only done DMT. I've done mushrooms.

01:44:25.000 I've done LSD. I've done MDMA. Is that it?

01:44:32.000 I think that's it.

01:44:35.000 No, I've done salvia.

01:44:37.000 And I think that's it.

01:44:40.000 By far the most powerful was DMT. By far.

01:44:43.000 It was bizarrely powerful.

01:44:46.000 I feel like there was me and then there was me after DMT, like a totally different person.

01:44:52.000 I feel the same way about me and then me after Ayahuasca.

01:44:58.000 But since I talked about it on Aubrey's podcast, it's been really interesting to see the people reaching out across the league.

01:45:05.000 And there's been a lot of people outside the league and, you know, entertainers, sports people, you know, just friends from the past, people that work at the facility, you know, just the nine-to-five people,

01:45:21.000 all interested in football.

01:45:25.000 You know, plant medicine.

01:45:27.000 It's been really interesting.

01:45:28.000 I think there's a hunger for what I experience, which you talked about with mushrooms, is this death of the ego.

01:45:36.000 This realization that we're all connected.

01:45:38.000 This greater sense of what community is.

01:45:41.000 And I don't know if you've experienced in your DMT journeys and mushrooms, but when you dissolve the ego, The amount of love that you can give back to yourself and then other people, it takes away for me so much judgment of myself and others,

01:46:00.000 so much separation between myself and others.

01:46:03.000 The greater sense of connection It was overwhelming when I kind of came out of that and got back to reality or whatever. 0.98

01:46:11.000 I was like, oh shit, now here's the integration. 0.97

01:46:15.000 Here's me in a different form. 0.99

01:46:17.000 Here's my reflection that I see of myself and you. 0.69

01:46:20.000 And we're all fucking connected in such a deeper way.

01:46:24.000 And it's just doing a plant that's been used for generations in the Amazon jungles. 0.90

01:46:33.000 And I got the same feeling on mushrooms as well.

01:46:35.000 I mean, it was just an incredible connection to nature and life and all sentient beings and all plants and fungi and just the like, you know,

01:46:51.000 of my previous self, I feel like the anger and bitterness and resentment and negativity that I'd kind of like standard walk around with. 0.97

01:46:59.000 It wasn't like a super high level, but I felt like coming out of those experiences, it's like, that shit doesn't even matter. 0.97

01:47:05.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:47:06.000 Like kindness matters.

01:47:08.000 Yeah, it matters a lot.

01:47:09.000 Connection matters.

01:47:09.000 Matters a lot.

01:47:10.000 Like being present with people, having conversations, like putting your fucking technology away and like connecting with somebody and like seeing them. 0.91

01:47:20.000 Because I think on a deep level, we all just want to be seen and understood. 0.97

01:47:23.000 Yes.

01:47:24.000 You know? 0.99

01:47:24.000 And that's why social media is such a platform because everybody's fucking looking at me. 0.99

01:47:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:47:28.000 This is my opinion. 0.99

01:47:29.000 Yeah.

01:47:30.000 Right? 0.99

01:47:30.000 And it fucking matters. 0.99

01:47:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:47:32.000 Right?

01:47:32.000 Yeah, I get it.

01:47:33.000 I see it.

01:47:33.000 For sure.

01:47:34.000 But let's just realize we're all the same.

01:47:38.000 The thing about the social media interactions though is that it happens in isolation like you're alone and you're putting something out there and then the other people alone and they're receiving it and that's why they can be so cruel and shitty is because they're not looking at you and seeing you like most of the things that people say on social media they would never say to someone's face even if they were bigger and stronger than that person they wouldn't say because it feels terrible to say shitty things to people It's an interesting thing that happens when you recognize that a

01:48:09.000 lot of the way we react with each other is based on insecurity. 1.00

01:48:15.000 We put up these armored walls between us and the rest of the world and you have this thought that, you know, fuck everybody and everybody's fucking me over and fuck them. 1.00

01:48:25.000 And then you do something like DMT or mushrooms or ayahuasca and you recognize... 1.00

01:48:31.000 Oh, that's nonsense.

01:48:33.000 Not only is that nonsense, that's bad for me. 0.66

01:48:35.000 That's bad for everyone.

01:48:36.000 It's bad for everyone I come in contact with.

01:48:38.000 It's unnecessary.

01:48:39.000 And then you realize the source of it all.

01:48:41.000 It's just fear.

01:48:42.000 It's just fear and insecurity.

01:48:44.000 And that was so profound to me, like this recognition of what the problems that the ego presents and that these problems This ego, first of all, was not designed to live in a society like this.

01:48:58.000 Our bodies were not designed to live in these neighborhoods of millions and millions of people.

01:49:02.000 This is not normal.

01:49:03.000 And we don't know how to deal with that.

01:49:05.000 And so we come up with more walls and more insecurity and more defensiveness.

01:49:14.000 And that this is bad for everyone.

01:49:16.000 And the solution to that is to expose people to these things and allow them to recognize the flaws and the patterns of behavior that they've been following their whole life.

01:49:29.000 But the more people that get exposed to that, the more that's going to be a normal narrative and that people are going to understand that you're just a person.

01:49:41.000 You're not a bad person.

01:49:42.000 You might have made bad choices, but you're just a person.

01:49:45.000 We're all human beings and people in jail for violent crimes.

01:49:48.000 They're just people.

01:49:49.000 They're people that got on terrible paths and they don't realize that we're all connected.

01:50:00.000 I wish that there was a way where more people could be exposed to it because I really think it would change perspective 100%.

01:50:06.000 It's changed radically in my lifetime.

01:50:09.000 It's changed radically.

01:50:10.000 You've been talking about this for a long time.

01:50:12.000 Yeah.

01:50:12.000 It changed radically over the last couple of decades that I've been exposed to it.

01:50:16.000 I think the first time I did DMT was early 2000s.

01:50:20.000 And I remember, well, the first time I did mushrooms was early 2000s as well.

01:50:24.000 Mushrooms were amazing.

01:50:26.000 And it was beautiful.

01:50:28.000 But DMT, I always describe as mushrooms times a million plus aliens.

01:50:32.000 It was the encounter of entities that was so mind-blowing.

01:50:37.000 This thing that there might be some sort of...

01:50:43.000 Some sort of disembodied consciousness that exists in some realm that you can access within 15 seconds.

01:50:51.000 Just the thought that that's a real thing.

01:50:53.000 Ayahuasca as opposed to DMT. Ayahuasca is, for people who don't know what we're talking about, is a oral version of DMT. DMT is broken down in the gut by something called monoamine oxidase.

01:51:09.000 And what ayahuasca is, is...

01:51:12.000 One plant that contains dimethyltryptamine and another plant that contains an MAO inhibitor, harmine.

01:51:19.000 And you combine the two of those together and it produces this orally active version of DMT that's a much longer experience, but typically it's not as intense as the smoked DMT. When you smoke it, it's like right into your bloodstream.

01:51:34.000 And it's short though, right?

01:51:35.000 Yeah.

01:51:36.000 Shorter.

01:51:36.000 But you just do it again afterwards.

01:51:40.000 I mean you come out of it in like 15 or 20 minutes and you want to go right back in.

01:51:44.000 It's so profound and it changes everything.

01:51:48.000 It changes everything.

01:51:49.000 It changes how you think of reality.

01:51:52.000 It changes the way you interface with other people.

01:51:56.000 It changes how you think about yourself. 1.00

01:51:58.000 All your stupid ideas of who you are and all your ego and nonsense, it all just gets blown to bits. 1.00

01:52:05.000 I feel like that's the purpose of it. 1.00

01:52:07.000 That matters less, right?

01:52:08.000 All those insecurities and fears. 0.85

01:52:11.000 It doesn't mean you give less fucks about life. 0.99

01:52:13.000 I think it actually just changes what you give a fuck about. 0.98

01:52:16.000 Connecting and loving people and spreading positivity and kindness. 0.97

01:52:21.000 There's churches that use ayahuasca.

01:52:23.000 I had Dr. Rick Strassman on the podcast recently.

01:52:26.000 And he talked about these churches that have an exemption by the Supreme Court in order to use it for religious purposes.

01:52:35.000 And there's one of them that is like, there's two different ones.

01:52:38.000 Do you remember the names of them, Jamie?

01:52:40.000 There's two different churches.

01:52:42.000 One of them seems a lot more fun.

01:52:44.000 They sing songs and they have these ecstatic dances and so they do their DMT. But they're both Christian-based churches.

01:52:52.000 Really?

01:52:53.000 Yeah.

01:52:53.000 Yeah, and one of them is from Brazil, I believe.

01:52:56.000 They might be both from Brazil, which obviously has a long history of use of psychedelic medicines.

01:53:02.000 But that these people have these incredible communities that they've based around the entire I'm like, that's really what a church probably started out as.

01:53:17.000 If you read The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, which is John Marco Allegro's book.

01:53:21.000 I was hoping you were going to bring that up.

01:53:23.000 I was just talking to a buddy actually last night about this book.

01:53:26.000 It's an amazing book that I believe, I'm not sure if this is true, but let's find out.

01:53:30.000 I believe it was bought out by the Catholic Church. 0.92

01:53:32.000 I have two copies of the original printing of The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, and it's a fucking phenomenal book.

01:53:38.000 Because it's written by this guy, John Marco Allegro, who's a biblical scholar and a linguist, and he was also an ordained minister.

01:53:45.000 But through studying religion, he became agnostic.

01:53:49.000 And he was like, I think these are all...

01:53:51.000 They share these stories.

01:53:53.000 What's the root of these stories?

01:53:55.000 So he was hired to decipher the Dead Sea Scrolls.

01:53:59.000 And for 14 years, they painstakingly deciphered this, which I believe was the first version of the Bible that they encountered that was in Aramaic.

01:54:09.000 And they found these scrolls in Qumran, which is in Israel, where they found these caves.

01:54:18.000 And inside these caves, they found these ceramic pots that had these scrolls in them.

01:54:22.000 And it was so painstaking that they had to do DNA samples on the scrolls because these scrolls are made in animal skins. 0.79

01:54:30.000 That's how old they are.

01:54:31.000 And they took these scrolls and they had to match up the DNA with a specific cow that was on each.

01:54:38.000 So they knew that these strands were from this one cow.

01:54:41.000 So let's put all these together and figure out how they piece together.

01:54:45.000 So they do all this and then they analyze the language and then they decipher it.

01:54:51.000 His interpretation after 14 years of study was that the entire Christian religion was a giant misunderstanding and the original version of it was all about fertility cults and psychedelic mushrooms and Particularly in his eye it was a lot of it was about the Amanita muscaria which is a very misunderstood and very confusing mushroom because I've done that before,

01:55:14.000 too.

01:55:14.000 It didn't really do much.

01:55:16.000 But they think that it might have been seasonal.

01:55:18.000 They think it might have varied genetically and geographically and that it had different compounds in it in different places.

01:55:25.000 But this is the mushroom that's connected to Santa Claus.

01:55:28.000 This is the mushroom that looks like Santa Claus.

01:55:30.000 It's a red mushroom with white dots on it.

01:55:34.000 Which is a great myth.

01:55:35.000 Yeah.

01:55:36.000 It's wild, because the original Santa Claus, the myth was that Santa Claus was a shaman, and he would come down through the chimney.

01:55:44.000 The reindeer piss.

01:55:44.000 Yeah.

01:55:46.000 All of it is connected, because the reindeer eat Amanita muscaria mushrooms, and then they would...

01:55:52.000 They would actually knock people over trying to get to their piss because they would smell the Amanita Muscaria in their piss.

01:55:59.000 And these people that did this ritual, they would eat the Amanita Muscaria and then they would drink their own piss because the psychedelic compounds were in the piss, which is...

01:56:08.000 How'd they figure that out?

01:56:09.000 I don't know.

01:56:11.000 But this book was...

01:56:13.000 Is that true?

01:56:15.000 I think the Catholic Church bought it out and then it was republished, I believe, about a decade ago.

01:56:21.000 It was definitely republished.

01:56:23.000 I can't find anything that says it was bought out.

01:56:25.000 They banned it, and it was banned by the publisher, and that guy was fired from his job, but I can't see anything about them buying it.

01:56:31.000 He also wrote a second book that was widely available because of that, and that is called Psychedelic Mushrooms and the Christian Myth.

01:56:41.000 I think it was something about the Christian myth.

01:56:44.000 What is the other John Marco Allegro book?

01:56:49.000 He had two books.

01:56:51.000 Something in the Christian myth.

01:56:53.000 Dead Sea Scrolls.

01:56:54.000 Dead Sea Scrolls in the Christian myth, yeah.

01:56:56.000 And that was his interpretation.

01:56:58.000 Now, this is a convoluted, complicated argument because you really have to understand ancient languages.

01:57:05.000 You have to be able to decipher them and read them and know the etymology of the words.

01:57:09.000 But he traced back the word Christ to an ancient Sumerian word that was a mushroom covered in God's semen.

01:57:18.000 And so the idea was that when it rained, things would grow out of the ground.

01:57:24.000 You have to realize that we're talking about people that lived thousands and thousands of years ago.

01:57:30.000 These people, fertility was very important.

01:57:34.000 Having children was very important.

01:57:36.000 There was never this concept of like there's too many people.

01:57:40.000 Everyone's dying.

01:57:41.000 It was very easy to lose a child.

01:57:43.000 Child mortality was very high.

01:57:46.000 Infant mortality was very high.

01:57:48.000 It was hard to stay alive.

01:57:49.000 There was very little medicine.

01:57:50.000 No one understood anything. 0.52

01:57:51.000 So these people had this idea that when it rained, it was God giving life to the world and that rain was God's semen.

01:58:02.000 And if you've ever been in a place that has mushrooms, when it rains, You wake up in the morning and there's mushrooms everywhere.

01:58:11.000 Mushrooms that weren't there before, they grow so quickly.

01:58:13.000 A mushroom as big as this coffee cup could appear overnight, which is really crazy. 0.99

01:58:18.000 So these people, it would rain and then in the morning they would find these mushrooms and they would eat them and they would fucking trip balls. 0.99

01:58:26.000 Right? 0.98

01:58:26.000 Could you imagine being one of the first people that discovered psychedelic mushrooms? 0.98

01:58:30.000 And you're eating them.

01:58:31.000 And then they wanted to hide these stories from the conquering Romans and from all these other empires that were invading them.

01:58:38.000 And so they hid them in allegories and in myths.

01:58:41.000 And this was his take on the Bible, is that all these stories were translated over and over again from Aramaic and Ancient Hebrew to Latin and Greek and English.

01:58:55.000 And then so much was lost in the translation.

01:58:58.000 That doesn't really fly very well in the Christian church of today, I don't think.

01:59:02.000 Well, it does if you go to that one that's from Brazil that takes psychedelics.

01:59:05.000 They're probably like, yeah, yeah, that's exactly what it is.

01:59:08.000 I was talking to a teammate of mine last night about that, and he's never heard of it, and he's like, I don't know.

01:59:14.000 Hardcore Christian?

01:59:14.000 Sounds kind of crazy to me.

01:59:16.000 I'm like, yeah, yeah, it does.

01:59:17.000 Well, at the very least, you have to understand that if the Bible is the Word of God, it has been interpreted by people.

01:59:24.000 Right.

01:59:24.000 And people are biased, and people, they have reasons to withhold information or to interpret information.

01:59:32.000 Yeah.

01:59:32.000 Control.

01:59:33.000 Sure.

01:59:34.000 I mean, Martin Luther was almost killed because he translated the Bible into a phonetic language that people could read and understand, and he wanted people to interpret the Bible themselves.

01:59:43.000 They wanted to kill him.

01:59:45.000 It was only because of his political connections that he stayed alive.

01:59:49.000 Knowledge is power.

01:59:51.000 Yeah.

01:59:51.000 Well, especially back then.

01:59:53.000 I mean, Jesus Christ.

01:59:54.000 I mean, if you were a priest back then, you were a rock star.

01:59:58.000 I mean, that was originally- And most people couldn't read.

01:59:59.000 Yes.

02:00:00.000 Exactly.

02:00:01.000 And so they had to rely on these other people to tell them what the God wanted.

02:00:08.000 God forbid you make it easier for people to understand.

02:00:11.000 God forbid.

02:00:12.000 Perfect choice of words.

02:00:14.000 Yeah.

02:00:14.000 When did you first have, what was your first psychedelic experience?

02:00:18.000 I had mushrooms years ago out in nature on the beach and had this magical experience where I felt like I merged with the ocean.

02:00:31.000 And I'd never done psychedelics before that.

02:00:34.000 Always been interested.

02:00:35.000 Actually, Watching your podcast years ago and hearing you talk about it got me, like, aware of that.

02:00:44.000 I mean, growing up in a very strict religious culture, anything outside of, like, the straight and narrow was a major sin and a no-no, you know?

02:00:56.000 But for me, being a little rebellious, like, I was like, that sounds kind of fun, though, you know?

02:01:00.000 Like...

02:01:01.000 Some of these things people are doing, hippies seem like they had a pretty good time doing a bunch of LSD and stuff.

02:01:06.000 That sounds pretty cool, right?

02:01:07.000 And you know how many people died from mushrooms?

02:01:10.000 Thousands?

02:01:11.000 Zero.

02:01:11.000 Yeah, I know.

02:01:14.000 I mean, someone probably did mushrooms and thought they could fly.

02:01:17.000 That was another Bill Hicks bit.

02:01:19.000 Yeah.

02:01:20.000 It was like tragedy.

02:01:22.000 Young man on acid.

02:01:23.000 Thought he could fly.

02:01:23.000 Jumped off a roof.

02:01:24.000 What a tragedy.

02:01:24.000 How many people have OD'd on marijuana?

02:01:27.000 Zero.

02:01:27.000 Oh.

02:01:28.000 Really?

02:01:28.000 Crazy.

02:01:29.000 Yeah.

02:01:29.000 Wow.

02:01:30.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:01:30.000 But again, I'm sure people have lost their minds.

02:01:33.000 I actually had Alex Berenson on the podcast yesterday who wrote a book called Tell Your Children.

02:01:38.000 He was on to talk about COVID, and he actually got reinstated by Twitter because he won in court.

02:01:43.000 Yes!

02:01:44.000 Everything he said turned out to be true.

02:01:46.000 All the things that he was saying, the things they banned him for.

02:01:48.000 Are those other guys back on?

02:01:50.000 Well, what other people got banned?

02:01:52.000 Wasn't Peter McCullough, wasn't he banned?

02:01:54.000 I do not know if he was banned.

02:01:56.000 Was he banned?

02:01:58.000 I do not know.

02:01:59.000 I believe Robert Malone is still on.

02:02:02.000 Maybe he's banned.

02:02:03.000 They might have banned them. 1.00

02:02:04.000 They might have banned them all. 0.81

02:02:05.000 Look, they were banning people for contributing to vaccine hesitancy.

02:02:08.000 I mean, they were taking this hard-line stance because they thought they were right.

02:02:13.000 They didn't know, man.

02:02:15.000 And this is a big part of it.

02:02:17.000 It's not like this is a vast conspiracy by these people.

02:02:19.000 A lot of these people were ideologically captured.

02:02:21.000 They really thought that they were doing the right thing, that this was the good thing to do.

02:02:25.000 They just were incorrect.

02:02:27.000 And they had these assertions.

02:02:29.000 They had these facts.

02:02:31.000 They had this data that they were getting from the government.

02:02:34.000 They had this data they were getting from Fauci and the NIH. And the CDC, and they thought they were doing the right thing.

02:02:39.000 And that's why they did these things.

02:02:42.000 But I think I'd stole a line from either yourself or somebody that I said at one point, but science that can't be questioned isn't science anymore.

02:02:52.000 It's propaganda.

02:02:53.000 Right.

02:02:54.000 And that was my problem with the whole thing is...

02:02:57.000 Science is propagated by peer review.

02:03:00.000 Yes.

02:03:00.000 And you have an idea and then give it to your colleagues or a study group or an institution and then having them review it.

02:03:09.000 Yes. 0.99

02:03:10.000 And figure out, did your shit make any sense or there's some holes in it? 0.99

02:03:14.000 But there wasn't any questioning of the information that was put out. 0.99

02:03:18.000 It wasn't allowed.

02:03:20.000 There was questioning, but it wasn't allowed.

02:03:22.000 You're automatically put into anti-vaxxer, flat-earth, crazy, right-wing conspiracy theorist.

02:03:27.000 That's what I said when I made that video to Neil Young, when Neil Young was getting all his music removed from Spotify because I was promoting misinformation.

02:03:35.000 I said, what you say is misinformation today Not going to be misinformation in the future you have to understand that and I was saying how they were saying there was misinformation well The things that you were getting kicked off of social media platforms Initially you were saying that masks don't work or saying that The vaccine might...

02:03:59.000 Won't stop transmission.

02:04:00.000 Won't stop transmission.

02:04:01.000 Or by saying that the virus came from a lab.

02:04:04.000 All those things would get you kicked off of social media initially.

02:04:07.000 Those have all been proven to be true.

02:04:09.000 Not only...

02:04:10.000 Well, not the virus coming from a lab.

02:04:13.000 That's just most people believe it to be true.

02:04:15.000 Assumed, yeah.

02:04:15.000 It's like a large swath of the scientific community is behind that now, and including Newsweek.

02:04:22.000 It was on the cover of Newsweek, this lab leak theory, which is not...

02:04:26.000 I mean, it's the most plausible scenario.

02:04:28.000 There's not an animal host.

02:04:31.000 They haven't shown that there's an animal host that could give it to people.

02:04:35.000 That's not propaganda.

02:04:36.000 That's not fake.

02:04:37.000 That's not pseudoscience.

02:04:39.000 This is just what they know.

02:04:41.000 All those things, we get you kicked off social media, now they're widely understand to be true.

02:04:46.000 So this is one of the things that I said when I made that video, that these people that you're talking about, one of them, Dr. Robert Malone, he holds nine patents for the creation of mRNA vaccine technology.

02:04:58.000 He was a part of the creation of mRNA vaccines.

02:05:02.000 He took the mRNA vaccine and had a horrible reaction and almost died.

02:05:09.000 And then you have Peter McCullough.

02:05:10.000 Peter McCullough is the most published physician in history in his field.

02:05:16.000 This is a guy with rock-solid credentials who initially was telling people to take the vaccine.

02:05:21.000 And then he was experiencing all of these patients that were coming in with these diseases and these illnesses that they'd acquired, he believed, from the vaccine.

02:05:30.000 And there was no ability to discuss this and no ability to ascertain if that was the fact.

02:05:37.000 You had to follow a very specific narrative.

02:05:40.000 But that's not science.

02:05:42.000 No.

02:05:43.000 That's propaganda.

02:05:44.000 One of the things that we learned from John Abramson when he came in here and he was talking to us about...

02:05:48.000 He was a doctor who had worked to litigate against pharmaceutical companies when they had produced He was part of the Vioxx thing and some other medications.

02:05:59.000 He said that when a pharmaceutical company creates a product and they do studies, when someone peer reviews the data, they don't peer review the raw data. 0.96

02:06:11.000 They peer review the studies that the pharmaceutical companies has given them, which is fucking crazy. 0.98

02:06:18.000 That is so crazy. 0.95

02:06:20.000 That's like, say, if you're guilty of something, and you say, well, let me give you the evidence that I have.

02:06:26.000 You know, my evidence, that I've reviewed myself, and this is why I feel like I'm innocent, and I'm gonna show you my evidence. 1.00

02:06:32.000 And the cops will be like, fuck you! 1.00

02:06:34.000 Let me see your phone! 1.00

02:06:36.000 Did you text the drug dealer?

02:06:37.000 Let me see, did you plot a murder? 1.00

02:06:39.000 Let me see your fucking email! 1.00

02:06:40.000 Is it as crazy as, like, the FDA getting 51% of their budget from the pharmaceutical company fees? 1.00

02:06:47.000 That's pretty crazy.

02:06:49.000 You can fact check me on that, but I believe that's...

02:06:51.000 Is that true?

02:06:53.000 I wouldn't be shocked.

02:06:55.000 They're basically paying to get their product approved.

02:06:59.000 Well, and how about the CDC stopping the distribution of COVID vaccine booster data from people 18 to 49, because they said it would contribute to vaccine hesitancy.

02:07:10.000 How about Pfizer asking to wait 75 years to release their data, and then 55 years?

02:07:15.000 That's wild.

02:07:17.000 Like, let's wait until after we're dead, just for the compliance.

02:07:21.000 Yeah.

02:07:22.000 Yeah.

02:07:23.000 And my thing is, like...

02:07:26.000 At a bare minimum, right?

02:07:28.000 At a bare minimum, it should just make you pause and go, even if you say, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm not any of these things, a rational, to me, and this is an opinion, a rational thinking human would just be like,

02:07:45.000 hmm, hold on a second. 0.91

02:07:47.000 This is kind of fucking weird. 0.98

02:07:49.000 When it comes to pharmaceutical companies, it's like that old story of the scorpion and the frog. 0.98

02:07:56.000 You know, the scorpion hitches a ride with the frog, and the frog's like, hey, man, don't sting me, because if you sting me, we're going to drown. 0.99

02:08:04.000 And the scorpion stings him, and the frog's like, what the fuck? 0.97

02:08:06.000 And the scorpion says, hey, it's my nature. 1.00

02:08:09.000 That's their fucking nature. 0.99

02:08:10.000 I mean, this is what they've always done. 1.00

02:08:12.000 If you expect them to make some moral, right-angle turn...

02:08:16.000 Towards being just completely selfless and not concerned at all about profits and only looking for the greater good of humanity.

02:08:25.000 Well, you're looking at the wrong people.

02:08:28.000 That's not what they do.

02:08:29.000 What they do is they have a responsibility to their shareholders, they have a responsibility to the corporate management, and that responsibility is to make the most amount of money possible, and they're going to do that.

02:08:39.000 And they're going to do it by hook or by crook.

02:08:42.000 They're going to weasel.

02:08:43.000 They're going to hide data.

02:08:45.000 They're going to manipulate data.

02:08:47.000 And they've been accused of that, rightly so, all through this whole thing. 0.67

02:08:51.000 But they have billions of spending.

02:08:52.000 They spend billions on...

02:08:54.000 Brought to you by Pfizer.

02:08:56.000 Anderson Cooper.

02:08:57.000 Brought to you by Pfizer.

02:09:01.000 It's so obvious and so wild.

02:09:04.000 And if you discuss it amongst many people that have like a shallow understanding of this topic, they will immediately roll their eyes and say, oh, look at Aaron. 1.00

02:09:12.000 This crazy fucking hippie asshole football player thinks he's going to educate me. 1.00

02:09:17.000 Well, I watch MSNBC and I have the data. 1.00

02:09:21.000 Keith Oberman says you're an asshole. 1.00

02:09:23.000 I'm like... 1.00

02:09:28.000 It's fucking amazing. 0.97

02:09:30.000 It's amazing. 0.99

02:09:31.000 You know, I've had some people that also were very pro-vaccine, very anti, all these different things, and then got really badly sick and were very conflicted and didn't know what to do.

02:09:43.000 I know people that got really badly sick from COVID post-vaccinated, and I know some people that got really badly sick from the vaccine itself, and they were very conflicted.

02:09:53.000 And some of them just kept their mouth shut and stopped talking.

02:09:56.000 And some of them even publicly said, I would still take it again.

02:10:00.000 I think overall, the good is good. 0.97

02:10:02.000 I mean, my heart's fucked now, but, you know, it's better for everybody.

02:10:05.000 And that's one of those things if you say publicly, you're going to get a certain amount of love. 0.99

02:10:08.000 It's like a virtue signal that I was willing to sacrifice.

02:10:11.000 There's so much of that.

02:10:12.000 I mean, put one mask on, two masks on.

02:10:14.000 Sure.

02:10:15.000 You know, I'm doing my part.

02:10:16.000 Yeah, look, it's still kind of a free country, so you can do whatever the hell you want.

02:10:21.000 Kind of.

02:10:22.000 A lot freer here.

02:10:24.000 A lot freer in Texas.

02:10:25.000 The difference between Texas and California was so stark that when I came out here with my kids in May of 2020, they're like, let's move here!

02:10:34.000 Immediately.

02:10:35.000 Just seeing people going out to restaurants and seeing people on the lake. 0.99

02:10:40.000 In California, the beaches were fucking illegal to go to. 0.99

02:10:44.000 And here we're on a lake and people are drinking and fucking playing Garth Brooks music and jumping in the water. 0.99

02:10:50.000 And my kids were so confused. 0.98

02:10:52.000 They're like, what is happening here?

02:10:54.000 Like, why is this so different?

02:10:55.000 And this is Austin, which is very progressive and very liberal. 0.98

02:10:58.000 You go to the rest of Texas, they pretend that COVID fucking didn't exist at all. 0.97

02:11:02.000 The South in general, I think. 0.99

02:11:04.000 Yeah, I mean, that's not good either, because it is a real fucking disease, and if you're not healthy and you're not covered, you could get fucked up by it. 0.99

02:11:12.000 I agree 100%. 0.97

02:11:13.000 But what I was saying, or trying to say, was why is nothing else being talked about as far as ways of combating this disease, like eating better, like exercising, like vitamin D deficiency?

02:11:32.000 Well, even monoclonal antibodies.

02:11:34.000 They suppress monoclonal antibodies, which is wild.

02:11:37.000 They held on to, what, 500 million of them or something crazy?

02:11:41.000 Something crazy like that.

02:11:42.000 All of it was bad.

02:11:44.000 All of it was bad.

02:11:45.000 And all of it is a lesson for people in the future that if something else happens again, to be more skeptical and to understand the influences that are behind these decisions that politicians and even, quote-unquote, health experts make.

02:11:59.000 They're being influenced by things other than just data.

02:12:03.000 And that's very important for people to understand, that there's an enormous amount of money that's being spread around here, and people have gotten obscenely wealthy because of this pandemic.

02:12:12.000 And they've done so because they promoted a very specific narrative that they knew was going to be profitable for them, even if it was detrimental for people, even if it removed people's ability to choose.

02:12:24.000 What to do and not to do. 0.98

02:12:25.000 Even if there was people that would not be adversely affected by that virus statistically because of their health, their age, they didn't give a fuck. 0.99

02:12:34.000 You want to play football? 1.00

02:12:35.000 Take this fucking thing. 1.00

02:12:36.000 And I want you to do it publicly so that I can get more money out of those other people that are thinking about it and they're on the fence. 0.99

02:12:43.000 Yeah, and then we're going to virtue signal to say, look how righteous our league is.

02:12:47.000 We have 95% compliance with the vaccine.

02:12:51.000 Compliance!

02:12:51.000 And if you don't, we're going to send a stooge to your team to show you graphs of your vaccination percentage of your team compared to the rest of the league, which actually happened.

02:13:02.000 Really?

02:13:03.000 Yeah.

02:13:03.000 What was the stooge like?

02:13:05.000 Oh, I mopped the floor with him.

02:13:07.000 Did you?

02:13:07.000 Yeah.

02:13:08.000 See, again, that's why people are like, no one knew your vaccination status, you lied to your teammates.

02:13:12.000 No, no, no.

02:13:12.000 Day three of training camp, they sent this stooge in, and he showed these slides about what your vaccination percentage was on your team, where you compare to the rest of the league.

02:13:22.000 And I started asking him questions about liability.

02:13:27.000 Oh, I'm not a lawyer.

02:13:28.000 Okay, cool.

02:13:29.000 But you're in here talking about all these different things, and you don't talk about anybody's personal health issues.

02:13:37.000 There's zero exemptions.

02:13:39.000 You took out religious exemptions.

02:13:40.000 You took out PEG exemptions.

02:13:44.000 You took out anybody's ability to have...

02:13:48.000 An opinion.

02:13:48.000 I don't want to do this.

02:13:50.000 Well, it's not only going to affect your day-to-day status on the team, but your ability to get a job, your ability to keep a job, your ability to get a tryout if you get cut from this team.

02:14:00.000 Because you want to put a percentage above 90% of your team where you guys can have some sort of special virtue.

02:14:06.000 Look how amazing we are.

02:14:08.000 We're above the 90% threshold here.

02:14:09.000 And then they scared teams and said, if you had an outbreak caused by a non-vaccinated player, you'd not only forfeit that game if you had enough players out, but you wouldn't get paid for that week.

02:14:25.000 And here I am showing up to training camp, Joe, the first day, and we got five people who work for the organization out with COVID all fully vaxxed.

02:14:35.000 And I got COVID from a fully vaxxed individual who only got vaxxed to keep his potential of being a part of the NFL. How many people do you know that had vaccine injuries?

02:14:48.000 A few.

02:14:50.000 How bad?

02:14:53.000 Heart issues.

02:14:56.000 And then like bizarre episodes that took him to the hospital.

02:15:02.000 As little as like weird eye issues, skin rashes.

02:15:12.000 No COVID toe, but a bunch of other stuff.

02:15:14.000 What was COVID toe?

02:15:16.000 Didn't they try to accuse you of having COVID? You hurt your foot?

02:15:19.000 I joked on my weekly show on the Pat McAfee show that I'd gotten, well not joked, but I'd gotten hurt.

02:15:29.000 I hurt myself when I had COVID working out around my house because I had to be literally locked away for 10 days.

02:15:39.000 And they joked about how it was a COVID toe injury.

02:15:45.000 And in the Wall Street Journal in there, Journalistic Integrity wrote this article about how I had lesions on my feet.

02:15:54.000 And that's what my injury was.

02:15:56.000 And it was caused by COVID. And then I showed my toe in an interview when I came back to work.

02:16:03.000 And it started this whole thing.

02:16:05.000 What was the extent of the injury?

02:16:07.000 I broke my toe.

02:16:09.000 Yeah, that was the extent.

02:16:10.000 Just a normal injury?

02:16:12.000 Yeah, it was a fracture.

02:16:13.000 And the Washington Post, did they contact you at all?

02:16:15.000 Wall Street Journal.

02:16:16.000 Oh, excuse me, Wall Street Journal.

02:16:17.000 Did they contact you?

02:16:18.000 No, I mean, no, of course not.

02:16:20.000 But I asked for the guy's information, and I had a phone conversation with him.

02:16:25.000 Really?

02:16:26.000 Yeah.

02:16:26.000 How'd that go?

02:16:27.000 It was very cordial.

02:16:29.000 Did you ask him why did you publish this?

02:16:45.000 I said, do you understand my relationship with Pat and AJ, who's my best friend on the show, and the jokes that we have and the lightheartedness?

02:16:51.000 I said, did you watch the episode at all?

02:16:54.000 Because if you did, you would know that they were making a joke about how I hurt my toe when I had COVID. I said, and also, sidebar...

02:17:05.000 Every, probably an assumption, but I'm assuming this is probably true, just about every beat writer that works for the, that covers the Packers, right?

02:17:12.000 And national media that watch that show each week because they write stories about it.

02:17:17.000 Not one writer wrote anything about COVID toe.

02:17:24.000 No one fucking, you know, was like, oh, let me look into what Covito is and maybe I can, you know, scoop this first and write an article about it. 0.63

02:17:30.000 I said, no one wrote about it. 0.98

02:17:32.000 I said, do you think you were like writing some, you know, groundbreaking, you know, breaking news story by saying Covito?

02:17:40.000 No, you're trying to slam me.

02:17:41.000 I said, I just want you to admit that.

02:17:42.000 You didn't watch the show.

02:17:44.000 I said, and you were doing it?

02:17:46.000 No, no, no, no.

02:17:47.000 I watched the whole episode.

02:17:48.000 I said, have you seen any other episodes?

02:17:51.000 I said, do you understand the rapport I have with these guys?

02:17:54.000 Do you understand what, you know, humor is?

02:17:57.000 Sarcasm?

02:17:59.000 So, I think overall, I was a core joke.

02:18:01.000 I mean, I was, you know, he took my call, but...

02:18:06.000 Probably thought he was going to get another story out of it.

02:18:08.000 What was his reason for publishing this false information?

02:18:13.000 He thought he was doing a justice to all the thousands of people affected by Covito.

02:18:20.000 No one had ever heard of Covito until that article came out.

02:18:23.000 I can promise you that.

02:18:24.000 Yeah, what is COVID? Is that a real thing?

02:18:27.000 Supposedly.

02:18:27.000 It's involved some sort of lesions on your feet.

02:18:30.000 But you never said you had lesions on your feet.

02:18:32.000 So why did he publish that?

02:18:34.000 Because it was the flavor of the week.

02:18:35.000 But did you ask him?

02:18:37.000 Why did you publish that?

02:18:38.000 Yeah.

02:18:38.000 And what did he say?

02:18:39.000 He thought he was reporting on a legitimate medical affliction.

02:18:47.000 Sure he did.

02:18:48.000 Yeah.

02:18:52.000 Did he publish any stories about people with vaccine injuries?

02:18:55.000 No.

02:18:56.000 Those are legitimate medical afflictions.

02:18:58.000 You should probably look into that.

02:18:59.000 There's not enough information on VAERS, I don't think.

02:19:02.000 Well, it's not just that, right?

02:19:04.000 It's like there's no liability.

02:19:05.000 That's the real problem.

02:19:07.000 Like, it doesn't matter.

02:19:08.000 That goes back to the 80s.

02:19:10.000 Yeah.

02:19:11.000 Well, with this stuff, it was specific.

02:19:13.000 With this particular medication, this particular vaccine, it was very specific that they were going to exempt them from any liability because of this emergency use authorization.

02:19:26.000 Which is only granted, I mean, you know these things.

02:19:29.000 Yeah.

02:19:29.000 If there's no other therapeutic option.

02:19:31.000 Exactly.

02:19:32.000 Exactly.

02:19:32.000 Which is why they were so vehement in their opposition to anything else.

02:19:37.000 Yeah.

02:19:39.000 It's wild.

02:19:39.000 I mean, I feel like that's not, you know, like you saying that, me saying that last year.

02:19:45.000 Like, that's conspiracy, right?

02:19:47.000 Oh, yeah.

02:19:48.000 Yeah, there's a lot of things there.

02:19:49.000 I mean, I think there's a greater, at least, percentage of the population that can go, okay, that's reality now.

02:19:55.000 Yeah, most people.

02:19:57.000 Most people are saying that's reality now.

02:19:59.000 And there's a lot of people that feel duped.

02:20:01.000 And they might be quiet about it, but they feel duped.

02:20:04.000 Is it true that the...

02:20:07.000 Because remember they championed that they had got a vaccine that was FDA approved, right?

02:20:16.000 But that that actual vaccine didn't come out?

02:20:20.000 Is that true?

02:20:21.000 Well, when Jen Psaki said these vaccines are approved by the FDA, which is the gold standard, that was a lie.

02:20:27.000 They weren't approved.

02:20:28.000 This was not true.

02:20:30.000 They had an emergency use authorization.

02:20:32.000 They weren't approved.

02:20:33.000 But she was a propagandist. 0.87

02:20:36.000 I mean, when she's working for the White House, she's this person that, you know, answers questions.

02:20:40.000 And most of it, the hard questions were all by Peter Doocy on Fox News.

02:20:45.000 He was like the only guy that was like, like pushing back against her. 0.98

02:20:49.000 And she just fucking flat out lied on not just one occasion, multiple occasions. 0.98

02:20:53.000 I mean, maybe they had a narrative that they told her. 0.98

02:20:56.000 Maybe these are talking parts.

02:20:57.000 Maybe that's her job. 1.00

02:20:58.000 But it's a weird job in the beginning, right?

02:21:00.000 To begin with, because it's a job where, You're not even asking the president.

02:21:05.000 You're asking this White House press secretary.

02:21:08.000 So there's a person, you know, and the only one that was good at, that girl, McEnany, what's her name? 1.00

02:21:15.000 Kayleigh McEnany, the one who worked for Trump, that lady was a fucking assassin. 1.00

02:21:20.000 That lady had like binders with like footnotes and anyone would say something. 1.00

02:21:24.000 That's interesting because actually CNN said this and she would like quote it back to them and stuff it in their face. 0.62

02:21:30.000 That lady's the best ever at that job. 1.00

02:21:32.000 She's the fucking Michael Jordan of White House press secretaries. 1.00

02:21:35.000 She's a fucking wizard. 1.00

02:22:01.000 She was great at it. 1.00

02:22:02.000 Why are we even asking this?

02:22:05.000 I can't even keep up with him.

02:22:07.000 That's what she said.

02:22:08.000 I can't keep up with him. 1.00

02:22:10.000 Which I said, you should go to a doctor because you've been fucking poisoned. 0.99

02:22:14.000 If you can't keep up with that guy, that's a real problem. 1.00

02:22:17.000 He's dying in front of our eyes.

02:22:19.000 I mean, if he dropped dead tonight, no one would be shocked.

02:22:21.000 I mean, they can't put him back up, can they?

02:22:24.000 Yes.

02:22:25.000 Yeah, they can.

02:22:26.000 It depends on what kind of medications they get him between now and then. 0.99

02:22:29.000 Whatever the fuck they gave him during that second debate, that's a good mixture. 0.99

02:22:33.000 I don't know if he can maintain that mixture, because I have a feeling that every cell in his body is like, like re-entering orbit in the space shuttle, like, fucking keep it together. 0.99

02:22:42.000 So let's live in that world for just a second. 0.81

02:22:44.000 What would...

02:22:45.000 Let's think about it, because I've thought about this before, because I've thought about, like, man, he was pretty, like, you know...

02:22:49.000 On the ball?

02:22:50.000 What could they possibly have given him?

02:22:53.000 Adderall for sure.

02:22:53.000 Yeah?

02:22:54.000 If I was going to do it.

02:22:55.000 What I would give him was Adderall.

02:22:57.000 I would give him testosterone.

02:22:58.000 I would have him on testosterone, period, anyway, because he's that old.

02:23:02.000 I mean, I would have him on peptides, human growth hormones from Orleans, whose body produces more growth hormone.

02:23:09.000 I would have him on all sorts of nootropics.

02:23:11.000 I would have him on AlphaBrain. 0.99

02:23:13.000 I would have him on every fucking thing that's available, NeuroGum. 0.96

02:23:16.000 I would give everything that you can to enhance this memory, acetylcholine, all these different things that we know through peer-reviewed data that actually do help your memory. 0.99

02:23:26.000 And then I would give him some sort of stimulant.

02:23:29.000 I would give him something that's maintainable, something where he's not like out of his skin going crazy and you'd probably practice.

02:23:36.000 Practice with low doses and I know they had practice debates and so he had his talking points dialed in and I would even give him an earpiece.

02:23:47.000 I'd give him something where we could give him data and tell him this and tell him that and don't say this and here's how I respond to that.

02:23:55.000 But I don't even know if that would be good, because sometimes when people have things in their ear, it confuses them.

02:24:00.000 It's hard to get used to, like having people talk.

02:24:02.000 Have you ever had someone talk in your ear while you're talking?

02:24:04.000 Yeah, it's difficult.

02:24:05.000 It's very hard.

02:24:06.000 I've had bad producers on shows, and in the middle of a conversation, they're talking in your ear.

02:24:11.000 Thirty seconds to go out here?

02:24:13.000 Yeah, that's not that bad because that's easy to ignore.

02:24:16.000 Get them to talk about this.

02:24:17.000 Yes, that's where it's hard.

02:24:18.000 They start giving you...

02:24:21.000 I had one time I was interviewing someone for the UFC. I took it out of my ear.

02:24:24.000 I'm like, shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:24:26.000 You're talking while I'm talking, you idiot. 1.00

02:24:28.000 Don't do that. 1.00

02:24:29.000 You're ruining everything.

02:24:30.000 But they don't understand that role.

02:24:33.000 They just want you to be a little robot for them and just do what you need to do.

02:24:37.000 But when you're talking to someone, you're taking into account what they're saying.

02:24:41.000 You're formulating your next question.

02:24:43.000 You're listening.

02:24:44.000 You're trying to interact with this person.

02:24:45.000 You can't talk and listen to what the response is and also listen to what you're trying to tell me.

02:24:50.000 Well, you need to get better at your job. 1.00

02:24:52.000 No, you need to shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:24:53.000 That's what you need to do. 1.00

02:24:54.000 Let me do it.

02:24:55.000 I know what I'm doing.

02:24:56.000 UFC. How about that Usman Edwards fight?

02:24:59.000 Crazy. 0.64

02:25:00.000 Crazy. 0.94

02:25:01.000 That was the greatest come-from-behind head kick knockout ever. 0.85

02:25:04.000 It was over.

02:25:05.000 Usman was dominating the last...

02:25:06.000 I watched it again today.

02:25:08.000 I watched it in the gym today, working out. 1.00

02:25:09.000 It's like, fuck, it's crazy. 0.99

02:25:11.000 And we always knew Leon Edwards was really technical and really good. 0.99

02:25:15.000 But I just assumed that the battle was lost.

02:25:17.000 First round he looked great.

02:25:19.000 He took him down for the first time.

02:25:21.000 Well, Colby Covington should have gotten credit for a takedown in the second fight.

02:25:26.000 He did take Usman down.

02:25:27.000 Usman's knees went to the ground and Daniel Cormier was angry that it wasn't registered as a takedown.

02:25:33.000 He goes, that's two!

02:25:34.000 And you're talking to Daniel Cormier who's an Olympic wrestler.

02:25:37.000 That's the expert.

02:25:38.000 That's who you should be going to when you decide whether or not something's a takedown.

02:25:42.000 So I think they erroneously credited that with the first time that Kamaru Usman's ever been taken down in the UFC. It was the second time, but it was the most significant.

02:25:50.000 Because not only did he take him down, he took him down, he mounted him, and then he took his back.

02:25:54.000 And he was threatening with a rear naked choke.

02:25:56.000 It's big.

02:25:57.000 But then Kamaru, who's the champion he is, took over, and he won most of the remaining rounds, and it looked like it was three rounds to one.

02:26:07.000 It almost looked like Edwards had kind of resigned to the fact that he was going to lose on a decision.

02:26:12.000 Yeah, that's what a lot of people were saying.

02:26:13.000 I mean, Dean Thomas, actually, who's the guy we go into in between rounds, who's an expert coach, he said he's broken.

02:26:21.000 You could see how he wasn't looking his coaches in the eye, and he looked dejected.

02:26:25.000 He goes, he does what it looks like when you're mentally broken.

02:26:28.000 And then he went out there and landed the greatest head kick in the history of the sport.

02:26:32.000 It was so perfect, too.

02:26:33.000 It's so textbook.

02:26:34.000 But that's the thing about Leon.

02:26:35.000 He's so technical.

02:26:37.000 The way he does things is so smooth and so efficient.

02:26:41.000 And so it wasn't shocking that he could do that.

02:26:45.000 It was just shocking in the context of his performance up until that moment.

02:26:48.000 But the way he fainted with the right hand, extended the left, forced Usman's head to move off the center line and threw the kick at the same time. 0.99

02:26:58.000 It was fucking magic. 0.96

02:26:59.000 You can't teach someone the reason why that techniques work so well. 0.99

02:27:04.000 You couldn't teach them any better than that visual.

02:27:08.000 Because Usman's moving away from the punch and wham, the head kick comes.

02:27:13.000 What is this?

02:27:14.000 They were drilling this right before the fight.

02:27:18.000 Really?

02:27:19.000 Oh my goodness.

02:27:20.000 They noticed something on video I guess.

02:27:22.000 Oh my goodness.

02:27:23.000 Jab away hook kick.

02:27:24.000 Yes.

02:27:27.000 So they noticed that as he was moving he would move off to the right hand side.

02:27:33.000 Wow.

02:27:34.000 That's incredible.

02:27:36.000 He'll circle and then go with the high kick.

02:27:38.000 Wow.

02:27:41.000 That's incredible.

02:27:42.000 I mean, it's perfect.

02:27:45.000 Greatest head kick knockout ever.

02:27:47.000 And I don't think there's a close second in terms of, you could say Holly Holm versus Ronda Rousey, but Holly Holm was winning that fight.

02:27:53.000 It's a totally different experience.

02:27:55.000 Holly Holm was avoiding Ronda.

02:27:58.000 She avoided the clinch.

02:27:59.000 She avoided the takedowns.

02:28:00.000 She was dominating her on the feet. 0.99

02:28:02.000 Ronda was already beaten up by the time that Holly landed a head kick. 1.00

02:28:06.000 Ronda was getting fucked up. 0.99

02:28:07.000 That was a rough night for Ronda Rousey fans. 1.00

02:28:10.000 Very rough night.

02:28:12.000 But a great night for Holly Holm fans.

02:28:14.000 Yeah, it was.

02:28:14.000 This is different.

02:28:15.000 This was a fight where it was a come from behind.

02:28:18.000 He was down three rounds to one.

02:28:19.000 He won the first round, he lost the next three. 0.99

02:28:21.000 And to land that head kick in a fight like that was fucking wild. 0.95

02:28:26.000 Especially when you consider Leon hadn't fought in so long. 0.97

02:28:30.000 There had been so many problems.

02:28:32.000 He was scheduled to fight Tyron Woodley in England.

02:28:36.000 That fight got canceled because of the pandemic, and there was all these setbacks, but we had always known that he was one of the very best in the division, and he was this dark horse, this guy that people maybe in the general public weren't really aware of.

02:28:49.000 Everybody's aware of the big stars, and he was this super talented guy that had only lost one time in the UFC, and that was to Usman early in his career.

02:28:57.000 And that was when he didn't know how to wrestle. 0.99

02:28:59.000 So one of the big victors was him taking Usman down the first round and showing him, hey, motherfucker. 0.99

02:29:04.000 I'm a real martial artist. 0.99

02:29:06.000 I'm not just a striker anymore.

02:29:07.000 I'm a fully well-rounded martial artist.

02:29:10.000 Pretty impressive.

02:29:12.000 I love you and Daniel's reactions to some of the best.

02:29:16.000 It was crazy.

02:29:17.000 It's so crazy.

02:29:19.000 I mean, how do you not react that way when that happened?

02:29:21.000 I mean, everyone behind us had the same reaction.

02:29:23.000 There's a video of Tony Hinchcliffe, who was right behind me, and when the head kick lands, he stands up and puts his arms in the air and he goes, Oh my god!

02:29:33.000 That's what everybody's reaction was.

02:29:35.000 Like, oh my god.

02:29:37.000 Because when you think, that's one of the beautiful things about MMA that is different than any other sport, or boxing too, is that you could come from behind with one move, one thing, and it changes everything and shuts it all off.

02:29:50.000 It's so final.

02:29:51.000 But you just haven't seen that in boxing or UFC, I would say, in a while, right?

02:29:57.000 Very rarely.

02:29:58.000 Where somebody's been getting beat up. 0.94

02:30:00.000 That's what I love about the Tyson Fury-Deontay Wilder fights, is because you just knew at any point, it didn't matter who was ahead, one punch from either of these guys, and it'd be fucking over. 0.96

02:30:10.000 But in the UFC, you just don't see that a whole lot, where a guy's getting his ass whooped, and then comes back and... 0.75

02:30:16.000 Well, it's a credit to Leon that he was able to do that, but also a credit to Leon that he really didn't absorb a lot of punishment in that fight. 0.60

02:30:22.000 He wasn't busted up.

02:30:23.000 He didn't have his eyes swollen.

02:30:25.000 He hadn't been concussed and rocked.

02:30:27.000 He was losing, but he wasn't getting beat up.

02:30:31.000 He wasn't getting tortured.

02:30:33.000 He was still very fresh in the fifth round, which is also a credit to his conditioning, that he was able to fight that kind of a grueling fight and still be fast enough.

02:30:42.000 In Utah.

02:30:43.000 Yeah.

02:30:44.000 As well, because some of the other fights, multiple fighters were really, I mean, poor Luke, you know, wasn't conditioning-wise, but there were other, in the prelims, where people were really tiring out in the second and third rounds of three-round fights.

02:30:57.000 Sure.

02:30:57.000 And both these dudes, Uzman as well, they looked really fresh in the fifth round.

02:31:01.000 Well, Usman lives and trains at least in Colorado.

02:31:05.000 So he's training at altitude, which is great.

02:31:07.000 But there's arguments about that, too.

02:31:10.000 One of the arguments is that the best method to do is actually to sleep at altitude, but to train at sea level.

02:31:16.000 Yeah, because it's about how much output you can put out.

02:31:21.000 And that if you're training at sea level, you are able to put in more work.

02:31:26.000 So you have more output.

02:31:28.000 So you're able to condition your body better, and then you recover at altitude.

02:31:37.000 So in your sleep time, your rest time, then your body acclimates and produces more red blood cells, which enhances your endurance, but you're still getting in more work.

02:31:47.000 Interesting.

02:31:48.000 Yeah, that's the general consensus now, is they think that it's better to sleep at altitude.

02:31:52.000 So people have these altitude tents.

02:31:56.000 Hyperbaric stuff?

02:31:57.000 No, it's an altitude tent.

02:31:59.000 It's a tent that you sleep in.

02:32:00.000 And so what it is, is like you are in this diminished oxygen environment while you're sleeping.

02:32:06.000 That's like, what, a mile or 10,000 feet or something?

02:32:08.000 Yeah, something like 10,000 feet.

02:32:10.000 And I know BJ Penn used those when he was fighting, and some other folks have used those, but Leon used that throughout his camp.

02:32:17.000 So even when Leon was training in England, before he came over to America to prepare for the final leg of his training, he was sleeping in an altitude tent.

02:32:27.000 Worked out.

02:32:28.000 It worked out.

02:32:28.000 Yeah.

02:32:29.000 Wild.

02:32:30.000 And they're going to have a rematch.

02:32:31.000 If they do have a rematch, it'll be in England.

02:32:33.000 So Covington won't get Edwards or...

02:32:36.000 I don't know, because a head kick like that takes a long time to recover from, and that's something that really needs to be discussed, because his ability to absorb punishment may be Because of that kind of a knockout when you get knocked unconscious,

02:32:55.000 like Freddie Roach wouldn't let Manny Pacquiao do anything for like a year.

02:32:59.000 He wouldn't let him fight, he wouldn't let him train, he wouldn't let him spar.

02:33:03.000 He was like, you need to take a long time off after Juan Manuel Marquez knocked him out with that one punch. 0.97

02:33:09.000 That kind of KO when you're flatlined, when you're flatlined by a massive blow like a fucking head kick, which is the most powerful blow that you could throw in MMA. That can affect you. 0.97

02:33:22.000 And it affects different people in different ways.

02:33:25.000 There's all sorts of different variables that have to be taken into consideration.

02:33:29.000 Was it just a flash knockout?

02:33:32.000 Is he going to be fined in a couple of months?

02:33:35.000 Or is it something that we don't know what kind of repercussions health-wise that's going to have on him?

02:33:42.000 Some guys, they lose their chin, like, overnight.

02:33:44.000 One knockout like that, and they're never the same again.

02:33:46.000 Hopefully not for Kamaru.

02:33:49.000 He's a lot of fun to watch.

02:33:50.000 No, he's awesome.

02:33:51.000 He's awesome.

02:33:52.000 I mean, in my opinion, before that fight, he was the greatest welterweight of all time.

02:33:56.000 If you look at the quality of his competition and the way he dominated them, he didn't just have, like, close fights with people.

02:34:02.000 He was smashing them. 0.98

02:34:03.000 And he did that all the way up to his title run, and he did that while he held the title, and one fucking kick changed everything. 0.95

02:34:11.000 There's some fun fights coming up. 0.96

02:34:13.000 Oh, yeah, man.

02:34:14.000 Yeah, there's some good ones.

02:34:16.000 Adesanya's fighting.

02:34:16.000 That's a good one.

02:34:18.000 Pejera's a dangerous man.

02:34:19.000 Mr. Diaz is coming back to the ring.

02:34:21.000 Yeah, and he's fighting Hamzat, which is crazy. 0.94

02:34:23.000 I know, that guy's...

02:34:24.000 Yeah, that guy's intense.

02:34:26.000 Yeah.

02:34:27.000 Yeah, there's some great fights.

02:34:28.000 But Diaz is one of those ones, and I'm a fight fan, but it's a no-brainer.

02:34:32.000 You know, there's just a few guys.

02:34:34.000 It doesn't matter what you're doing, you always make sure you tune in.

02:34:36.000 Yeah.

02:34:37.000 That's like with Conor.

02:34:38.000 It was like that with Floyd Mayweather, even though it wasn't...

02:34:40.000 That's why I really shifted from loving boxing to loving MMA and the UFC, just because it's so much more definitive in the MMA world.

02:34:49.000 But Conor and the Diaz brothers and...

02:34:55.000 Adesanya up until maybe the last couple fights where they haven't been as exciting, I would say.

02:35:00.000 I would say there's a reason for that, is that Adesanya is smart. 1.00

02:35:04.000 Like, the guy he fought in his last fight, Jared Cannoneer, everybody's like, well, he didn't do enough, he just coasted and won. 0.82

02:35:10.000 No, he was fighting one of the most fucking dangerous guys alive at 185 pounds. 1.00

02:35:15.000 Jared Cannoneer is a fucking monster. 1.00

02:35:18.000 He's so dangerous. 1.00

02:35:19.000 He's so powerful.

02:35:21.000 Big.

02:35:21.000 And he's so big.

02:35:22.000 He fought at heavyweight, and then he fought at light heavyweight, and he makes 185 by the skin of his teeth.

02:35:27.000 And then weighs, what, 205 on fight night?

02:35:29.000 Easily.

02:35:30.000 He's massive.

02:35:31.000 Well, do you know that Pejera, Alex, the guy who is going to fight Stylebender next, he weighed.229 when he fought last.

02:35:40.000 What?

02:35:41.000 Yes.

02:35:41.000 So he weighed in at 185 and then he was 229 on fight day.

02:35:47.000 How is that even possible?

02:35:49.000 Science.

02:35:50.000 That's a wild cut.

02:35:52.000 I don't know.

02:35:53.000 There's a photo of him back to back.

02:35:56.000 He's a wizard.

02:35:57.000 He's so technical.

02:35:58.000 He's the most technical guy in the sport in history in terms of striking.

02:36:02.000 No one's even close to him.

02:36:03.000 He's so good.

02:36:04.000 But look, that's the difference.

02:36:06.000 So what did he say?

02:36:07.000 So he cut 47 pounds.

02:36:09.000 So that's him fight day on the right, and that's him weigh-in.

02:36:13.000 So 99 kilograms.

02:36:15.000 What is that?

02:36:15.000 What's 99 kilograms?

02:36:17.000 220. Just under 220. So he weighed 220. So 47 fucking pounds.

02:36:22.000 That is bonkers. 1.00

02:36:25.000 To go from 85 to whatever that is.

02:36:30.000 Yeah, 100 kilos is 220, so that's...

02:36:32.000 That's incredible. 0.99

02:36:35.000 It's fucking incredible. 0.96

02:36:37.000 But that's what they're doing. 0.98

02:36:39.000 And that's the most avoidable aspect of MMA, I think, is the weight cutting.

02:36:45.000 And I think it's a real problem.

02:36:46.000 So what do you do to change it?

02:36:48.000 They need to do hydration tests.

02:36:50.000 They need to have more weight classes. 0.99

02:36:51.000 Because right now there's only eight weight classes.

02:36:53.000 So there's some big jumps.

02:36:55.000 And one of the big jumps is 85 to 265. 205, rather, and then 205 to 265. Those are the big jumps.

02:37:03.000 So 85 to 205, that's 20 fucking pounds. 0.99

02:37:06.000 That's so much weight. 0.99

02:37:07.000 There's nothing like that in boxing.

02:37:09.000 In boxing, you have guys that are fighting at 147, and then you have guys that are fighting at 154, and then you have guys that are fighting at 160. That's so reasonable.

02:37:17.000 Six-pound weight class differences are very reasonable, and then it goes to 68. That's reasonable.

02:37:22.000 Then it goes 68 to 75, also reasonable.

02:37:25.000 These make sense.

02:37:26.000 Seven pound gaps, six pound gaps.

02:37:28.000 The 20 pound gaps that they have in MMA are nuts. 0.97

02:37:31.000 And then how about the fucking 60 pound gap from 205 to heavyweight? 0.99

02:37:36.000 That's crazy! 0.99

02:37:38.000 It's too big.

02:37:39.000 It's too much.

02:37:39.000 And the way these guys are depleting their body and destroying their body to make weight, you can only do that so many times.

02:37:46.000 Guys start getting kidney damage.

02:37:48.000 They start getting kidney stones and develop all sorts of issues with their organs.

02:37:52.000 It's just not good.

02:37:54.000 And it's avoidable.

02:37:55.000 It's totally avoidable.

02:37:56.000 If you just structured the weight classes and ran hydration tests to make sure that guys are competing in a weight class that is actually their frame, that actually fits them.

02:38:07.000 That can be done.

02:38:09.000 Make it happen.

02:38:11.000 Nobody wants to listen to me, man.

02:38:12.000 I brought it up with the powers that be.

02:38:14.000 There's a lot of things that I bring up that they go, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:38:17.000 No, we can't.

02:38:18.000 But they could.

02:38:19.000 And unfortunately, I think it's going to take a tragedy.

02:38:22.000 And we've had people die overseas.

02:38:25.000 I've seen people on death's door.

02:38:27.000 I remember when Travis Luder fought Anderson Silva.

02:38:30.000 He missed weight.

02:38:32.000 But I was there while he was trying to make weight.

02:38:35.000 So he missed weight and then they gave him a certain allotted amount of time to try to make weight again afterwards to see if the fight can still go on.

02:38:41.000 I watched him shuffle because he couldn't walk.

02:38:45.000 So he was shuffling to the scale.

02:38:49.000 His lips were cracked.

02:38:51.000 Like you could see like blood in his lips because he was so dehydrated.

02:38:55.000 There was no water.

02:38:56.000 He had dried himself out to death's door.

02:38:59.000 Like if he had to fight that right then at that moment, he would not have been able to go one round.

02:39:04.000 He was so exhausted.

02:39:05.000 And then the next day he lost and he looked exhausted when he lost.

02:39:09.000 He wound up losing by submission.

02:39:10.000 He got caught in a triangle and got hit with elbows and tapped out.

02:39:13.000 But it was more the weight class or the weight cut than it was anything else.

02:39:17.000 You know, you could say that's on him because he didn't do it correctly.

02:39:21.000 Look, you know, Usman is big for the weight class too.

02:39:24.000 So is Leon Edwards.

02:39:25.000 They both made the weight fined and then they rehydrated.

02:39:28.000 It can be done.

02:39:29.000 But it's unavoidable.

02:39:31.000 It's an avoidable part of MMA that I think should really be addressed.

02:39:34.000 And I think it's also cheating.

02:39:36.000 I think it's sanctioned cheating.

02:39:38.000 You know, you're not 180. You're not.

02:39:41.000 You're pretending.

02:39:42.000 You're pretending you're fighting at 185 pounds.

02:39:44.000 You're fighting at 220. That's what you are.

02:39:46.000 You're 220. You just dry yourself out to 185 for the briefest amount of time possible.

02:39:52.000 You hop on a scale early, and then they scientifically rehydrate you up to a healthy level. 0.99

02:39:58.000 To dehydrate yourself to the point of literally on death's door 24 hours before a fucking cage fight is crazy. 0.98

02:40:07.000 You wouldn't go out and party 24 hours before a cage fight. 0.98

02:40:09.000 You wouldn't do any of the things that could deplete your body the same way dehydration does.

02:40:14.000 But yet we allow it.

02:40:15.000 And not only do we allow it, we expect it. 1.00

02:40:18.000 It's dumb. 1.00

02:40:20.000 It's dumb and it's avoidable. 1.00

02:40:21.000 And it's one of the biggest dangers in the sport. 0.98

02:40:24.000 There's a company called One FC that apparently have some sort of hydration policy.

02:40:32.000 People that were competing at lower weight classes are now competing at higher weight classes.

02:40:35.000 They move stuff around, but they've addressed it.

02:40:38.000 And they've addressed it in a way that seems to work for their organization.

02:40:41.000 And I'm sure there's some fuckery involved and some shenanigans involved, but way less than we have in the UFC. We'd like to see them be preemptive instead of...

02:40:51.000 Yes.

02:40:52.000 Reactive.

02:40:52.000 Yes.

02:40:53.000 Proactive instead of reactive.

02:40:55.000 It happened in our league.

02:40:56.000 You know, forever, my rookie year, you know, day one through day 14 is double days.

02:41:01.000 You know, two practices a day.

02:41:03.000 Yeah.

02:41:03.000 And how did that change?

02:41:05.000 Somebody died.

02:41:07.000 And then it was two and one and two and one and two and one.

02:41:10.000 And then there were some college kids that died.

02:41:14.000 And then they went, oh, you can't ever do double days in a row anymore.

02:41:17.000 No, are they dying from heat stroke?

02:41:19.000 Are they dying from exhaustion?

02:41:21.000 Both.

02:41:23.000 And there was some maybe genetic issues going on, but at the root, there was not the right nutrition and hydration policies or education involved to allow these guys to recover.

02:41:41.000 And what was going on Only got changed when there was a tragedy.

02:41:47.000 Do you think that's because they are trying to instill mental toughness and just condition them to just some extreme level by doing this and that this was like this old school thought?

02:42:01.000 100%.

02:42:01.000 Yeah.

02:42:01.000 And some coaches have still said it today.

02:42:04.000 How do you build callus if you don't put them through hell?

02:42:08.000 Right.

02:42:10.000 Work smarter, not longer.

02:42:12.000 Yeah.

02:42:13.000 Efficiency over time.

02:42:15.000 Well, I have a thought on that, too.

02:42:17.000 I mean, I think you can make people mentally tougher, but I think at the elite levels of competition, everyone's mentally tough.

02:42:23.000 Yeah.

02:42:23.000 And that's not the issue.

02:42:24.000 And I've seen people fight over-trained.

02:42:27.000 You know, I saw Tim Kennedy.

02:42:28.000 He went through two camps in a row because one fight got canceled, and they went right into another camp, and then he went out fighting Kelvin Gastelum, and he was gassed out, like, almost immediately. 0.98

02:42:37.000 Which, that fucking guy has a gas tank as big as the ocean. 0.96

02:42:40.000 He's never out of gas. 1.00

02:42:41.000 It's like one of his biggest strengths is his fucking relentless pace. 0.98

02:42:44.000 But his body was just failing him because it had never gotten the adequate rest and recovery. 0.97

02:42:51.000 Well, I mean, I think for a lot of the older mindset, older coaches, that's not part of it.

02:42:57.000 You know, rest, recovery, hydration, proper eating habits.

02:43:02.000 Yeah.

02:43:02.000 How that affects performance.

02:43:03.000 It never came into effect.

02:43:05.000 You know, it's like, no, we're going to grind you and see what your limit is.

02:43:10.000 Yeah.

02:43:11.000 Yeah.

02:43:11.000 And the ones that can make it through, they're going to make the team.

02:43:14.000 The ones that can't, you're fucking out of here. 0.99

02:43:16.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:43:17.000 But that's just, thankfully, that's not the way we do it anymore.

02:43:20.000 But I don't think it ever has to be.

02:43:22.000 They've had to change a lot of things in the NFL, right?

02:43:24.000 I mean, concussions.

02:43:25.000 Yeah.

02:43:26.000 Now people realize what an issue that is.

02:43:29.000 I mean, when you first started playing football, how much talk was there about CTE and concussion?

02:43:35.000 None.

02:43:36.000 Yeah.

02:43:36.000 You know, you get dinged in the head, you see stars, and get back out there.

02:43:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:43:42.000 Now there's much better policies in place and awareness around it.

02:43:47.000 And, you know, probably as much attention as could possibly be to any type of head injury that happens.

02:43:57.000 We have spotters who can pull people out of games who might have got dinged up.

02:44:01.000 We have multiple independent medical personnel whose main job is to watch for head injuries now, which is great.

02:44:10.000 And the recovery process to actually get back on the field is way more difficult.

02:44:14.000 You've got to pass a number of different tests.

02:44:16.000 It's all slotted on a day-to-day basis.

02:44:18.000 It really sets up that you're not going to be able to come back the next week.

02:44:23.000 What protocols do they have for recovery?

02:44:25.000 So if someone gets dinged, they get concussed, what do they do to try to help them recover?

02:44:32.000 Well, I don't think that part is maybe where it needs to be yet.

02:44:35.000 It's more go home and rest.

02:44:37.000 Really?

02:44:38.000 Yeah.

02:44:38.000 So they don't have any modalities, they don't have any therapies, they don't have anything that they do, hyperbaric chambers, nothing?

02:44:47.000 Not in Green Bay.

02:44:49.000 Really?

02:44:49.000 And I would say not in probably most places.

02:44:56.000 There's, I think in any business, I'm not just going to single out the NFL, but there is an aversion to a new way of doing things, always.

02:45:04.000 And I think until they see other people doing it and having success maybe, it's always going to be met with, no, this is how we do things.

02:45:15.000 We've always done it a certain way.

02:45:16.000 This is how we're going to do things.

02:45:17.000 Now, there's education that comes up and conversations, and we further...

02:45:22.000 But it's not like, hey, you got a concussion?

02:45:24.000 Okay, you're going to hyperbaric for, you know, days one through three and do light therapy in this day and do, you know, and take, you know, this on this, whatever it might be.

02:45:35.000 There's not.

02:45:37.000 And what tests do they do on people to make sure that they have recovered?

02:45:41.000 Cognitive testing.

02:45:42.000 There's balance testing.

02:45:46.000 You know, there's multiple cognitive tests and then a balance test.

02:45:49.000 And it's all compared to your baseline that you do at the beginning of every season?

02:45:54.000 When you hear about guys like Jim McMahon that are suffering really badly now, does this give you pause?

02:46:02.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:46:03.000 And I know Jim, and I'm definitely friendly with Jim.

02:46:07.000 I enjoy being around him.

02:46:09.000 He plays in the same golf tournament I do in Tahoe.

02:46:11.000 He's played every year it's ever been on, and I've talked to him about his issues and heard him talk about it as well, and it definitely gives me pause.

02:46:21.000 That's why I'm always doing research on my own about stuff that people have done.

02:46:26.000 Joe Namath has talked a lot about his use of hyperbaric chambers, actually, and healing some of the gray matter that has been associated with traumatic brain injuries.

02:46:37.000 But, you know, CTE has been linked to a number of suicides that we've had from former players, and it's a real thing.

02:46:46.000 I really do think it's an issue.

02:46:49.000 The NFL, I think, is doing a lot to combat it now, thankfully.

02:46:54.000 With the standardization of the helmets that we use is way different than it used to be.

02:46:59.000 I mean, there is a very high standard and testing process that goes into that.

02:47:04.000 They've tried to police the helmet-to-helmet hits that we've had.

02:47:09.000 There's way more protection for players that carry the ball.

02:47:12.000 There's protection of all sorts for any type of helmet-to-helmet contact.

02:47:16.000 You can't erase any of it, and some of it, honestly, is the draw to the sport, is the violent nature of it.

02:47:24.000 But I think all of us realize the risks that we're taking.

02:47:28.000 I mean, you should.

02:47:29.000 You're playing a contact sport, and there's things to look into and to think about when you're playing and when you're done playing to make sure you're Cognitive function is still there, and you're, you know, lesser at risk to some of the effects of CTE. Well,

02:47:47.000 you're a very proactive guy, so I'm sure you have kept abreast of all your own impacts.

02:47:55.000 How many times do you think you've been concussed?

02:47:59.000 Let's see, I've had three concussions, I believe.

02:48:04.000 One, two, three.

02:48:06.000 Yeah, I've had three concussions where I've come out of games in my playing time and obviously taken a number of other hits to the head that didn't classify as concussions.

02:48:19.000 But the last one I had was in 2018 and I got kind of clotheslined.

02:48:28.000 And I went over and sat on the bench and I was like, oh man, I kind of dinged up a little bit but felt like I wasn't, I was okay and then just came on and my vision just went like, you know, and took myself out of the game and that one kind of scared me to be honest because it,

02:48:52.000 It didn't feel like I was concussed.

02:48:54.000 It felt like kind of a normal shot almost.

02:48:57.000 And then it just came on and I basically was losing my vision.

02:49:02.000 And that's when it gets scary.

02:49:04.000 So that's when I really started looking into some of the things that people were writing about and researching on traumatic brain injuries and And ended up getting a hyperbaric chamber and felt like those dives have really helped me.

02:49:25.000 And then, you know, taking out for brain is awesome too.

02:49:29.000 Yeah.

02:49:30.000 I saw this article recently about Brett Favre where he's talking about how he's had somewhere around a thousand concussions.

02:49:38.000 That might be exaggeration.

02:49:41.000 Might be.

02:49:43.000 Well, he played in 350 games, so that's like three a game.

02:49:47.000 I think he was talking about his whole life.

02:49:49.000 Oh, his whole life?

02:49:50.000 Yeah.

02:49:51.000 Yeah, I mean...

02:49:52.000 What does it say here?

02:49:54.000 It said more than a thousand.

02:49:56.000 It's what we know now as concussions happen all the time.

02:50:00.000 So he believes he's only suffered three concussions in his career.

02:50:02.000 He's now upped that estimate to more than a thousand.

02:50:06.000 Well, I do know that for sure, you know, when he started playing, I believe, in 91, the protocol was you got dinged.

02:50:15.000 Just take a little break, shake it off, and get back out there.

02:50:17.000 Right.

02:50:18.000 Well, that's how it always was in sparring.

02:50:20.000 I've seen guys get knocked out in the gym, and then they're sparring 10 minutes later.

02:50:24.000 And that's when multiple concussions can happen.

02:50:26.000 Because once you get dinged the first time, the next hit doesn't have to be anywhere on the same level to have a brain issue.

02:50:35.000 So he says, what we know now is concussions happen all the time, Favre said.

02:50:38.000 You get tackled, your head hits the turf, you see flashes of light, a ring in your ears, but you're able to play.

02:50:43.000 Based on that, thousands.

02:50:45.000 So it had to be because every time my head hit the turf, there was ringing or stars going, flashbulbs, but I was still able to play.

02:50:54.000 Yeah.

02:50:54.000 Yeah, I mean, if every time you get tackled, that could be a concussion-like play, then probably a lot for all of us.

02:51:03.000 Yeah.

02:51:04.000 Have you found anything that's deteriorating, or would that be the end for you?

02:51:10.000 That would be the end, for sure.

02:51:12.000 I mean, my life after football is going to last a lot longer, I hope, than my life in the game.

02:51:18.000 This is my 18th season, and I'd like to think I've got more than 18 years left in my life.

02:51:23.000 That's kind of amazing that you've done that.

02:51:25.000 I mean, you think of the average NFL player.

02:51:28.000 What is the average time playing?

02:51:29.000 About three years.

02:51:34.000 Is there a sport like that?

02:51:36.000 I don't know.

02:51:37.000 I don't think there's another sport like that.

02:51:39.000 No, I mean, the turnover, it's a young man's game. 0.95

02:51:43.000 Tom has kind of rewritten some of that in 24 years, I think.

02:51:49.000 He's going back in again.

02:51:50.000 Yeah.

02:51:52.000 But they don't kind of make him like that at all.

02:51:56.000 I feel fortunate to be still playing at 18 years.

02:51:59.000 But you learn how to take care of your body and avoid.

02:52:03.000 I mean, Tom has avoided, I think, big shots most of his career.

02:52:07.000 He had one knee injury, another than that.

02:52:09.000 He's been fairly healthy most of his career and not really had any concussive issues.

02:52:15.000 And I've been able to stay relatively healthy as well in my career.

02:52:18.000 But But yeah, it's a young man's game and that's the fun part is the battle against time and the battle against age and the battle against the young guys trying to take your spot.

02:52:29.000 You said you've had some knee injuries before, right?

02:52:32.000 Yeah.

02:52:32.000 What was the extent of those?

02:52:34.000 I've had multiple cartilage issues, two clean outs, had an ACL reconstruction in college, and then just a lot of issues around that, nerve issues, arthritic issues, bursa,

02:52:50.000 inflammation.

02:52:52.000 And then in 2015, after that season, I got cleaned up and I said, it's time to get serious about my diet. 0.98

02:52:58.000 And I cut out a lot of shit from my diet. 0.98

02:53:02.000 You know, hurtful to many Wisconsinites, but I really cut out dairy. 0.99

02:53:09.000 And...

02:53:09.000 You probably shouldn't say that out loud.

02:53:10.000 I've said it before.

02:53:12.000 Did they get upset?

02:53:12.000 They did, yeah.

02:53:13.000 Really?

02:53:13.000 They said I was, you know, anti-Midwesterner.

02:53:16.000 LAUGHTER But when I did that, and I really limited gluten as well, I haven't had knee issues since January 2016. Really?

02:53:29.000 And that was since 1999, 17 years of knee issues, clean-up, and a change in diet, and nothing less, six years, as far as inflammation goes.

02:53:40.000 I had a fracture in my knee in 2018, but nothing inflammation-related.

02:53:46.000 That's incredible.

02:53:47.000 That's really amazing that diet had that much of an impact, especially when you consider the amount of abuse that your knees would take playing football.

02:53:57.000 Yeah, it's been a total game changer for me.

02:53:59.000 But diet has a big effect on more than just inflammation in your knees.

02:54:05.000 Yeah, it really does.

02:54:07.000 Personality.

02:54:08.000 Yeah, there's a big effect on your immune system, a big effect on just overall pain and the way you feel.

02:54:14.000 Yep.

02:54:15.000 It's kind of amazing how bad most food is for you.

02:54:21.000 Most of it's not real.

02:54:22.000 It's not real.

02:54:23.000 It's not good for you.

02:54:25.000 Filled with preservatives and, you know, genetically modified to stay on the shelf longer.

02:54:30.000 You talking about that fake meat?

02:54:31.000 Oh, that stuff.

02:54:32.000 Yeah.

02:54:33.000 That stuff's hilarious.

02:54:35.000 Especially the vegetable fake meat. 1.00

02:54:36.000 They keep trying to sell that shit. 1.00

02:54:37.000 Nobody wants it. 1.00

02:54:39.000 The stock has crumbled.

02:54:41.000 Because everybody's like, beyond meat, this is our way out of this.

02:54:44.000 Like, uh-uh.

02:54:45.000 That's their way to more health problems. 1.00

02:54:47.000 That shit's terrible. 1.00

02:54:48.000 You ever see like the rat profiles when they serve rats? 1.00

02:54:51.000 They develop all these fucking liver problems. 1.00

02:54:54.000 They serve them that fake shit. 1.00

02:54:56.000 How'd that information get out? 1.00

02:54:57.000 I don't know.

02:54:58.000 See, find out what that study was.

02:55:00.000 There was some study about rats and the ingredients in these fake meats.

02:55:09.000 It's processed seed oils.

02:55:10.000 If you want to eat vegetarian, eat vegetables. 1.00

02:55:14.000 Don't be eating some fucking fake nonsense that's designed to make it look like a fucking cheeseburger. 1.00

02:55:20.000 You're not eating a cheeseburger, bro. 1.00

02:55:21.000 But don't eat a bunch of shit sprayed with... 1.00

02:55:24.000 Glyphosate, yeah. 1.00

02:55:25.000 That's the crazy one.

02:55:26.000 The recent discovery that some...

02:55:29.000 The percentage is insane. 0.99

02:55:30.000 Yeah, it was like 96% of corn or some shit and like 100% of soybeans or some shit. 0.99

02:55:38.000 Yeah, has glyphosate residue. 0.99

02:55:39.000 Yeah.

02:55:39.000 And people are saying, oh, it's a tiny amount of parts per million.

02:55:42.000 No big deal.

02:55:43.000 Like, what are you talking about? 0.99

02:55:44.000 Where's the fucking long-term data on tiny parts per million of a fucking toxic chemical being ingested by people not being problematic? 0.99

02:55:53.000 Show me that before you're... 0.98

02:55:54.000 Because there's so many people that are co-opted by these companies, and then they'll immediately be the expert that comes on to calm people down after this, oh, you need to look at the actual data.

02:56:05.000 We're talking about the most minuscule amounts.

02:56:08.000 Okay.

02:56:09.000 Well, everything is going to kill you.

02:56:11.000 So why worry about that?

02:56:13.000 What's the big deal?

02:56:15.000 Yeah, glyphosate scares the shit out of me because it's everywhere. 0.99

02:56:19.000 There's so many fucking things that are sprayed with it. 0.99

02:56:24.000 That's the thing about monocrop agriculture. 0.99

02:56:27.000 You want to be able to have 10,000 acres of corn. 1.00

02:56:30.000 Boy, that's a lot of fucking plants you have to kill. 0.99

02:56:32.000 You've got to kill a lot of other stuff that wants to grow there. 1.00

02:56:35.000 And that stuff that they spray on the plants to kill the other stuff, that shit's in your body now. 0.99

02:56:42.000 And they did blood tests on people and they found that it was some ungodly percentage. 0.99

02:56:48.000 I forget what the number was.

02:56:49.000 But that and microplastics.

02:56:50.000 Yeah, that's another one.

02:56:52.000 Not good.

02:56:53.000 Yeah.

02:56:53.000 Yeah, you eat a credit card sized, worst case scenario, credit card sized piece of plastic every week.

02:57:00.000 That can't be good.

02:57:01.000 Nah.

02:57:02.000 Yeah.

02:57:02.000 I don't think so.

02:57:03.000 Well, it's just the worst of it is what's happening to people in development.

02:57:08.000 Like people, when a woman's pregnant, her body's exposed to a large amount of phthalates.

02:57:14.000 I think she's from Harvard.

02:57:33.000 But she wrote this breakdown of the introduction of phthalates.

02:57:40.000 And phthalates are these chemicals that exist in plastics.

02:57:43.000 And they use mammal studies to show what happens in mammals.

02:57:48.000 And one of the things it shows is that their taints shrink.

02:57:51.000 Because the taints of male mammals are between 50 and 100 percent larger than female mammals.

02:57:57.000 But with the introduction while they're in the womb to phthalates in the female's bloodstream, the male taints shrink.

02:58:06.000 And they've shown a radical decrease in the size of taints, the radical decrease, and this is in humans. 0.89

02:58:13.000 Decreasing the size of penises and testicles and then a big uptick in miscarriages for females. 0.67

02:58:19.000 And they believe that all of these are about these chemicals that are now in our diets. 0.98

02:58:26.000 It's destroying the reproductive systems of people. 0.94

02:58:28.000 It's lowering sperm counts in a radical way.

02:58:31.000 It's very, very scary stuff.

02:58:34.000 And it's like it's almost unavoidable at this point because I don't believe that these studies were released.

02:58:39.000 I think they figured this out somewhere in like the 2010s.

02:58:43.000 And so we have like 10 years of this data and maybe even less where they're just sort of working out like what are the implications and what's actually happening to people.

02:58:54.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:58:57.000 We're fucked. 1.00

02:58:58.000 Or not. 1.00

02:58:59.000 I mean, maybe they'll figure it out.

02:59:01.000 I have hope.

02:59:03.000 I have hope, too. 1.00

02:59:04.000 The Roundup shit scares me almost more than anything. 1.00

02:59:06.000 Because so much of that... 1.00

02:59:08.000 What do we got here?

02:59:10.000 Plant-based impossible burger.

02:59:12.000 Okay.

02:59:13.000 Tests conducted by moms across America found the impossible burger tested positive for residues of glyphosate.

02:59:19.000 The levels of glyphosate detected in the impossible burger by Health Research Institute laboratories were 11 times higher than the non-GMO Project Verified Beyond Burger.

02:59:29.000 But wasn't there something about rats?

02:59:32.000 Can't find it?

02:59:36.000 Yeah.

02:59:38.000 It said it was like a rat.

02:59:39.000 That's the title of this same page.

02:59:41.000 It said like a rat feeding study. 0.99

02:59:43.000 Oh, damn it. 1.00

02:59:45.000 Was it say rat feeding study? 0.99

02:59:46.000 That was the headline of this page.

02:59:47.000 Okay, rat feeding study suggests that Impossible Burger may not be safe to eat.

02:59:52.000 Great.

02:59:53.000 Now you tell me.

02:59:56.000 Yeah.

02:59:57.000 Wow.

02:59:58.000 There's a lot to consider, but, you know, I hope people, at least because of this information, will make better choices.

03:00:07.000 That's the hope.

03:00:08.000 And, you know, organic foods, definitely a better choice. 1.00

03:00:12.000 And, you know, also limit your amount of fucking bullshit in your diet. 1.00

03:00:18.000 Drink more water. 1.00

03:00:19.000 Drink more water.

03:00:20.000 What a radical idea.

03:00:22.000 Yeah, how about that?

03:00:23.000 Yeah, probably good for you.

03:00:24.000 Start with that.

03:00:24.000 Take some vitamins and electrolytes.

03:00:26.000 Get out in the sun.

03:00:27.000 Get out there.

03:00:28.000 Exercise.

03:00:28.000 Get out in nature.

03:00:28.000 Get off your phone.

03:00:29.000 Lose some weight.

03:00:29.000 Don't eat cheeseburgers as much.

03:00:31.000 Yeah.

03:00:32.000 Get off your phone.

03:00:33.000 Live your life.

03:00:35.000 Thanks, buddy.

03:00:36.000 Hey, my pleasure, brother.

03:00:37.000 Appreciate it.

03:00:37.000 Thanks for being here.

03:00:38.000 It was a lot of fun.

03:00:39.000 It was great to hang out.

03:00:40.000 We'll do this again sometime.

03:00:41.000 All right.

03:00:42.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 27, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1865 - Aaron Rodgers

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