The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1875 - Dave Smith

00:00:12.000 But that's good.

00:00:13.000 Yeah.

00:00:13.000 I think that's what makes you so good at what you do.

00:00:16.000 Yeah, the last thing you want to do is be like super confident and wrong.

00:00:20.000 Yeah, right, exactly.

00:00:22.000 You want to at least be always questioning.

00:00:24.000 Like always maintaining that possibility.

00:00:26.000 I could be wrong about everything.

00:00:27.000 When you go over stuff, like when you talk about libertarian ideas and you look at the way the government is run now, do you run through that thought process?

00:00:38.000 Maybe the only way to do it is the way that we're doing it right now.

00:00:42.000 Yeah, I try my best to always do that.

00:00:46.000 I mean, I'm guilty of not doing it, but I try my best to always be like, okay, well, maybe, theoretically, they know something I don't know, which kind of means this is the best way to do it.

00:00:56.000 Or maybe I'm just wrong and my theoretical model couldn't work and this is the best.

00:01:00.000 But try to give the toughest arguments against it and then go like, okay, but we still didn't need to kill a million Iraqis.

00:01:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:01:07.000 We still didn't need to do this.

00:01:08.000 Or we still at least didn't need it.

00:01:10.000 But I try my best.

00:01:13.000 It's dangerous, because the further into it I get, the more convinced I am that I'm right, and then that's also dangerous.

00:01:20.000 Because I'm not as insecure about it as I used to be.

00:01:22.000 It feels like the only way, like, the system is broken.

00:01:27.000 Everyone sort of agrees that.

00:01:29.000 And the only way to do it right would be to create a more ethical, moral, logical system that's actually based on constitutional rights and how the government is supposed to be.

00:01:41.000 In terms of like the kind of power they're supposed to have versus what they're always constantly trying to acquire.

00:01:47.000 But if you did that, how much would you have to blow the system up?

00:01:51.000 And how would we run things?

00:01:53.000 Like what period of vulnerability would we have while we're trying to re-establish a new system? 0.55

00:01:58.000 And how would we know if the system could even work correctly without being influenced by money and power and all the shit that's fucked it up for what we've got right now?

00:02:08.000 It's a daunting challenge. 0.99

00:02:11.000 I think that, like, what Ron Paul used to always say was basically, I mean, these are my words, not his, but it was basically his plan was he goes, end all the worst shit first. 0.99

00:02:20.000 Like, end all the most evil shit first. 0.99

00:02:22.000 So the first thing is, like, stop bombing third world countries. 1.00

00:02:26.000 Stop locking people in jail for victimless crimes.

00:02:28.000 Stop doing, like, stop bailing out billionaires and corporations and stuff.

00:02:32.000 Like, stop that first.

00:02:33.000 You know, you don't start with, like, well, okay, if there's a vulnerable population that's, like, dependent on this government program, get rid of it tomorrow.

00:02:40.000 You know, so, like, you try to do that, and then the more of the corruption that you roll back, you're gonna see, you know, like, less wealth being extracted from regular American people and going to special interests, kind of build that up over time.

00:02:54.000 But it's a challenging thing.

00:02:55.000 To go from this insane system to something less insane is tough.

00:03:00.000 And throughout human history, usually...

00:03:03.000 There's a pretty rough period in between there.

00:03:06.000 It's usually not a smooth transition.

00:03:07.000 Well, it's kind of fascinating when you think that this is the only country that has been really established as like a colony that went on to take over the world. 0.90

00:03:17.000 And it did it inside of 300 years, which is pretty fucking wild.

00:03:22.000 Yeah, that's the most wild part is the time span. 0.97

00:03:25.000 It's pretty crazy. 0.94

00:03:26.000 Because going from being a republic to an empire has happened before, but we're the most powerful empire in world history, at least in terms of raw power, like the technology, the level of wealth, all that shit. 0.93

00:03:39.000 And we did it in a very short time.

00:03:41.000 And some of the most unexceptional people are the ones who want to run it.

00:03:46.000 Which is so weird.

00:03:47.000 When you see like the squad, did you see that debate that she was having with those bankers where they were talking about eliminating fossil fuels?

00:03:55.000 She made me root for the bankers, Joe.

00:03:57.000 I was rooting for the bankers.

00:03:58.000 It is quite a feat to get me to say, you know, I think the head of Goldman Sachs is making a good point.

00:04:03.000 Imagine that she was dangling the carrot of the $10,000 we gave back in student loan debt forgiveness, that those people are going to have bank accounts. 0.99

00:04:13.000 And those people that got that free money, I'm going to take that free money out of your bank.

00:04:17.000 That was the immediate thing that she dangled, which lets you know some of the incentive involved in giving student loan debt.

00:04:26.000 It's not really that we want to help these people.

00:04:29.000 It's that now we will have influence over those people for voting.

00:04:33.000 Oh, this was clearly like just throwing a carrot like pre-midterm elections.

00:04:37.000 How come only $10,000?

00:04:38.000 How about all of it?

00:04:39.000 Right.

00:04:39.000 If you're going to really absolve student loan debt, if someone's $700,000 in the hole or whatever, what's like worst case scenario?

00:04:46.000 If someone goes to med school, someone gets a PhD.

00:04:48.000 Oh yeah, if they do all of that, probably $300,000, $400,000 at least.

00:04:51.000 Yeah, and then it compounds with interest over the decades.

00:04:54.000 Like I was reading a story about this woman who took out $150,000 in student loans and she hasn't been able to pay them back and now she's $250,000 in the hole. 0.99

00:05:02.000 Yeah.

00:05:02.000 And they're the most vicious type of loans, too.

00:05:05.000 It's easier to get out of credit card debt.

00:05:07.000 You can't even get out through bankruptcy.

00:05:09.000 People are having their Social Security docked.

00:05:12.000 People who've made it to the end of life.

00:05:15.000 They're relying on government assistance, right?

00:05:18.000 It's essentially government assistance that we pay for.

00:05:20.000 And they're getting that docked to pay for student loan debt. 0.99

00:05:24.000 Yeah, it's such a fucked up system. 0.98

00:05:27.000 Like, I'm completely against student loan debt. 0.99

00:05:29.000 You know, forgiving the debt.

00:05:32.000 Just because I think it's like...

00:05:33.000 It's just...

00:05:35.000 You're just punishing the taxpayers for the debt of, in many cases, a more privileged group.

00:05:42.000 It's like the people who didn't go to college now have to bail out the people who did, you know? 0.99

00:05:47.000 But, man, it is such a fucked up system that they trap these 18-year-old kids. 0.99

00:05:52.000 It's ruthless. 0.99

00:05:53.000 And that no one at the colleges, even.

00:05:55.000 Like, the fact, I mean, obviously the politicians are, like, soulless and the bankers are just trying to make money, but that no one in the university Whoever has the basic human decency to look at one of these kids who goes, hey, you know you're spending $150,000 on a gender studies major?

00:06:13.000 Just think about that.

00:06:14.000 Think about whether or not this is really a good idea.

00:06:17.000 They just go, oh, okay, we'll take the money.

00:06:19.000 No problem.

00:06:19.000 Well, all they're hoping is they're going to get a job in a university.

00:06:22.000 Right.

00:06:22.000 It's a Ponzi scheme, basically.

00:06:23.000 You'll teach this to other people until no one's signing up for this anymore. 0.99

00:06:27.000 You'll learn useless shit that isn't even true. 1.00

00:06:30.000 And then you'll teach it to other people who want to learn this useless shit to teach it to other people. 1.00

00:06:34.000 And let's just hope we keep getting new investors into this thing until it all goes belly up. 0.94

00:06:39.000 And what's really wild is then most, especially tech companies, they're so progressive and so liberal, and they're kind of trapped in that ideology which can hamper what they want to do and what they're allowed to do with their company because you get activists who are employees.

00:06:58.000 So your employees become, and they go straight from universities Where they're indoctrinated into this ideology and then they permeate these tech companies. 0.99

00:07:08.000 And some of them are fucked. 0.98

00:07:09.000 Some of them are realizing it and they're pushing back and they go, stop, stop, stop. 1.00

00:07:14.000 You guys are killing our stock. 0.99

00:07:15.000 You're fucking up the business. 1.00

00:07:17.000 It's a giant loss in terms of whether or not it's good for the overall company. 0.98

00:07:23.000 It's a giant loss for some of them.

00:07:24.000 Like Netflix. 1.00

00:07:25.000 Netflix took a giant hit after all that Chappelle shit. 1.00

00:07:29.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, of course. 0.97

00:07:31.000 Well, I mean, it just – and if you think about, like, with the tech censorship stuff, if you think about, like, in, like, 2014, 2015, this basically didn't exist.

00:07:40.000 This isn't that long ago that you kind of could say whatever you wanted to.

00:07:45.000 Yeah, I'll have a little bit.

00:07:45.000 Thank you.

00:07:46.000 You could say whatever you wanted to on Twitter. 0.99

00:07:48.000 I mean, I remember, like, really – Wild people saying crazy shit on Twitter. 0.99

00:07:53.000 And there was never even a thought like, oh, you're going to get kicked off for saying this. 0.99

00:07:56.000 It was just like, that's the internet.

00:07:58.000 That's Twitter.

00:07:58.000 YouTube.

00:07:59.000 You could say what you wanted to. 0.98

00:08:00.000 Twitter has hardcore porn.

00:08:02.000 Well, that's the other thing that's very weird about what is allowed and what's not allowed.

00:08:06.000 Which I'm for.

00:08:07.000 I don't think...

00:08:08.000 I'm not saying that they should censor hardcore porn. 1.00

00:08:10.000 If you want to follow a porn star and they want to post pictures of them fucking and videos of them fucking... 1.00

00:08:14.000 Yeah, I don't care. 1.00

00:08:15.000 Who cares?

00:08:16.000 Well, I just...

00:08:16.000 I also...

00:08:17.000 Yeah, I'm completely against any of the censorship.

00:08:19.000 I think it's an awful slippery slope to go down.

00:08:21.000 It's a giant slippery slope and it shouldn't be navigated by people who are, again, indoctrinated into this system that they get straight out of universities and they're locked into these progressive ideas.

00:08:31.000 Yeah, but I agree with all that.

00:08:34.000 So the point I was just making is when you talk about the bottom line.

00:08:37.000 So you could see why...

00:08:39.000 Originally, back then, why they weren't kicking people off of their platforms is because, well, there's no incentive for them to kick people off the platform.

00:08:46.000 The whole point is they want people to be on their platform.

00:08:49.000 There'd certainly be no incentive to kick really popular people off of their platform.

00:08:54.000 That's how they get people onto their platform.

00:08:57.000 And there is a lot of truth to the fact that a lot of these kids coming out of the universities...

00:09:01.000 We're good to go.

00:09:18.000 We're good to go.

00:09:35.000 We're good to go.

00:09:49.000 They didn't say, kick Alex Berenson off of Twitter.

00:09:52.000 What are you doing about it?

00:09:53.000 But they did go, what are you doing? 0.99

00:09:54.000 It's like this mafia shit almost. 0.99

00:09:56.000 So that's, you know, I guess you could kind of say it's not exactly a violation of the First Amendment because they just asked. 0.99

00:10:02.000 But it's kind of like someone robbing you by just asking for your money in an aggressive way.

00:10:08.000 Another more important point.

00:10:10.000 He was right.

00:10:13.000 That is pretty important.

00:10:14.000 This is a very important point, which is why he's back on.

00:10:17.000 He was citing studies.

00:10:19.000 He was using the Israeli data.

00:10:21.000 He was talking to scientists that were willing to go outside of the company line.

00:10:27.000 And there's quite a few of them.

00:10:29.000 These are legit people.

00:10:30.000 So what he was getting in trouble for with the government was being correct, which is really crazy, because you're talking about a health pandemic.

00:10:38.000 So you're talking about decisions that could...

00:10:43.000 Possibly either save people's lives, ruin people's lives, save people's health, ruin people's health.

00:10:49.000 The only way you're going to know what's what is if you get accurate data.

00:10:52.000 So if there's a guy who's talking about data, but the data is inconvenient to whatever the narrative is, if it's because it's inconvenient because the pharmaceutical companies fund 75% of all the ads on television, and how many campaigns, and how much money do they have invested in this,

00:11:07.000 and does the government actually have a piece of the Moderna vaccine?

00:11:11.000 Isn't that...

00:11:12.000 Well, there was, so Rand Paul, I don't know if you saw one of these moments where he, it was months ago now, but where he was grilling Fauci in one of those Rand Paul versus Fauci moments, and he said that they found out through a Freedom of Information Act that it was something like $135 million in royalties had been paid out To scientists on the NIH,

00:11:31.000 at the NIH, from pharmaceutical companies.

00:11:34.000 And he asks Fauci straight up, he goes, have you received any money?

00:11:37.000 Will you disclose all the money you've received?

00:11:39.000 And Fauci, in a roundabout way, you know, is like, well, Dr. Paul, I think I may have had one royalty for very small money, but now I don't need, the law doesn't require me to reveal that.

00:11:51.000 So I'm like, hmm.

00:11:52.000 Don't you think, like, shouldn't we know that?

00:11:54.000 Shouldn't we at least be able to know, like, how much money does Fauci make from Pfizer and Moderna?

00:11:59.000 Because that seems like a tiny conflict of interest.

00:12:02.000 A giant conflict of interest.

00:12:04.000 But to your point with Alex Berenson's stuff, like, look, even if he was wrong, which he was right a lot more than he was wrong, put his track record up against Fauci's track record over the last couple years, he was right way more than Fauci was.

00:12:15.000 But even if he was wrong, theoretically, He was making data-based arguments.

00:12:21.000 They justified tech censorship with, well, what if someone's just a Nazi preaching hate?

00:12:28.000 Or what if someone's intentionally spreading false information to change an election?

00:12:32.000 But he wasn't doing any of that.

00:12:34.000 He was just like a guy who worked for the New York Times.

00:12:37.000 He was just a guy who was presenting sound arguments.

00:12:41.000 Even if he got some things wrong, the idea that we would shut that down is a really creepy, very creepy thing.

00:12:48.000 And then that it's coming from the White House, that it's coming directly from them.

00:12:52.000 This isn't just like some random, you know, like it's not just that, oh, there's a company with a woke ideology who doesn't think you should be allowed to do this on their platform, like the kind of almost the libertarian argument that some people make.

00:13:03.000 Well, they're a private company.

00:13:04.000 They can do what they want to do.

00:13:05.000 But that's not what's happening here.

00:13:07.000 Here you have the government who's saying, silence our number one critic to our policies of lockdowns and vaccine mandates and all this stuff.

00:13:15.000 Right.

00:13:16.000 And they also affected that Hunter Biden story.

00:13:19.000 Well, that's the other thing.

00:13:20.000 I mean, wasn't that pretty incredible, dude, what Zuckerberg said to you?

00:13:25.000 Look, you asked him about the Hunter Biden story.

00:13:30.000 Yeah.

00:13:30.000 And his first response to you...

00:13:33.000 Well, here's what happened.

00:13:34.000 The FBI. Told us there was going to be this misinformation, this Russian misinformation coming.

00:13:40.000 Now, I'm not saying the FBI told him specifically, you have to turn down the Hunter Biden story.

00:13:46.000 But when you asked him about the Hunter Biden story, the first thing he said was, well, the FBI. So clearly at least he took it that way.

00:13:54.000 And then when the story came out, the FBI and the CIA and all these intelligence people are saying, this has all the earmarks of Russian disinformation.

00:14:03.000 And Joe Biden's bragging about this at the time.

00:14:06.000 So if nothing else, they at least clearly sent a signal to these companies that, like, this is the one.

00:14:12.000 This is what we were talking about.

00:14:13.000 Now, could you imagine if you're these people at Facebook?

00:14:16.000 What do you do?

00:14:18.000 Like, if you get that phone call, or whatever it is, email. 0.99

00:14:24.000 Probably a fucking person-to-person meeting when they put your phone in a basket. 0.99

00:14:27.000 Right. 1.00

00:14:28.000 Really.

00:14:29.000 What is it like and what do you do?

00:14:31.000 And do you go into a deep dive and try to find out what's legit and what's not legit?

00:14:36.000 Do you go and interview the people from the New York Post that wrote the article?

00:14:39.000 What do you do?

00:14:40.000 Yeah, it's a weird situation where they're kind of asking you to have this level of expertise in a thing that is not your area of expertise, or do you just have some faith in the system and go, well, I mean, this is the FBI telling me this, and if they're saying it's Russian misinformation,

00:14:57.000 then I don't want to put it out there if that could affect the results of an election, and so maybe you err on that side.

00:15:03.000 Imagine if it is.

00:15:04.000 Imagine if you've been warned, and then it is Russian disinformation, but you also allow people to share it, and it turns out to actually affect the election.

00:15:12.000 It swings the election the other way, Trump wins again, and then we find out it's a hoax, and we find out he really is in cahoots with Russia.

00:15:18.000 That was the big fear, right?

00:15:20.000 And that's not a narrative that you didn't hear.

00:15:24.000 You heard constantly he was in bed with Russia.

00:15:27.000 You heard constantly Russia had stuff on him.

00:15:29.000 Russia has this, Russia has that, he did this.

00:15:31.000 People peed on him.

00:15:32.000 You know, there's still a dossier.

00:15:33.000 Right, and there's an interesting thing like that because, and there's polling that shows this, like, I forget exactly what it is, but it's a very large percentage of Democrat voters still believe Donald Trump was in bed with Russia, even though the investigation found no evidence that there was any conspiracy or anything like that,

00:15:50.000 and in fact anyone paying attention to it.

00:15:52.000 The whole thing was just completely orchestrated to box Donald Trump in.

00:15:56.000 Yeah.

00:15:57.000 Again, I'm not a Trump supporter, if anyone needs that disclaimer, but I'm just saying, objectively, he was framed for treason, essentially, for being a traitor to his country, working with Russia involved in a conspiracy to change the election results of 2016. Also,

00:16:14.000 and then there was no public apology.

00:16:16.000 Once the investigations were over, there was no exoneration publicly.

00:16:22.000 No, they just kind of in the last year of his administration stopped talking about it as much, never basically acknowledged that we had been saying Trump-Russia collusion for all this time.

00:16:30.000 After the report fell apart, they moved immediately over to the Ukraine gate thing, which is very interesting given the context of everything going on now.

00:16:39.000 And then they just pulled it up again in the presidential election of 2020 when this laptop came out and they were like, oh, this is Russia again.

00:16:47.000 Seems like that old thing.

00:16:48.000 And it worked.

00:16:49.000 The thing is, there is Russian disinformation, right?

00:16:52.000 There's that too. 0.92

00:16:53.000 How the fuck do you know if your Twitter or Facebook, and I'm not exonerating them for what they did, right? 0.97

00:17:00.000 They shouldn't have done it. 0.99

00:17:01.000 I don't believe in censorship, especially when it comes to censoring a story that's from the second oldest newspaper in the fucking country. 0.99

00:17:08.000 It's kind of crazy. 0.98

00:17:09.000 They're journalists, right?

00:17:11.000 Whatever you might think of the New York Post and their funny headlines, they're essentially journalists.

00:17:15.000 When they print something like this, you're supposed to think first about Where is it coming from?

00:17:24.000 Think first about, like, what's the ramifications of censoring this?

00:17:29.000 What if it's accurate?

00:17:31.000 I don't think anybody thought that.

00:17:32.000 I think the orange man scared the fuck out of everybody and they all acted irrationally and I think that's one of the things that broke mass media mainstream media in terms of like television media and news and It was just this this hate for Trump was so overwhelming It's like you had to say that he was bad no matter what the story was.

00:17:51.000 He pissed off a lot of people in a In an unbelievable way.

00:17:57.000 But he also, I mean, he really pissed off people in like the intelligence agencies and people at very high levels for a bunch of different reasons.

00:18:04.000 But like that stuff, it's like the same thing with the Alex Berenson thing.

00:18:07.000 It's like, okay, but then you censored that story and you turned out to be wrong.

00:18:11.000 And they turned out to be right.

00:18:12.000 And they were telling the truth.

00:18:14.000 And so now while you, in theory, may have been correcting for this one mistake, which was, oh, Russian misinformation could sway an election.

00:18:21.000 What ended up happening was that the intelligence community interfered in the election and that they did not allow this story—the intelligence agencies and big tech interfered in the 2020 election.

00:18:35.000 They silenced this story, which was a newsworthy story.

00:18:39.000 No matter how much weight you put into it, whether it's—is it—should it change your vote that the son of the president, then former vice president, is clearly— Selling his last name for political, you know, his political influence to make money from foreign governments.

00:18:56.000 I don't know how big a deal you should think that is, but that is a story.

00:19:01.000 That's something that if someone broke that, that's a story there.

00:19:03.000 And then there were questions about what did Biden know about this?

00:19:07.000 Was he getting kickbacks from that?

00:19:10.000 Bobulinski, something like that, I think was Hunter Biden's partner.

00:19:13.000 He testified, or not testified, but he was interviewed by the FBI. We just found this out last month.

00:19:19.000 That he was interviewed by the FBI and told them this.

00:19:21.000 Told them that, yes, I've met with Joe Biden several times.

00:19:24.000 He knew about all these business dealings.

00:19:26.000 Well, Joe Biden is claiming I've never talked to my son about his business.

00:19:29.000 This is at least worthy to print, this story.

00:19:32.000 And to have Twitter shut down one of the biggest newspapers in the country, and then make it so you couldn't share the link.

00:19:39.000 And then Facebook, as Zuckerberg said, I don't know.

00:19:43.000 Lowered the signal in a significant way, I think was the way he put it.

00:19:47.000 I don't remember what he said the way he said it, but essentially he admitted that there's some complex shadow banning type mechanism that's in place for information, you know, and fucking the whole thing's so complicated and I do not envy them at all.

00:20:06.000 Imagine being someone at Facebook and the FBI tells you that.

00:20:10.000 Or being someone at Twitter. 0.99

00:20:11.000 What the fuck are you supposed to do? 1.00

00:20:13.000 Tell the FBI to go fuck itself? 1.00

00:20:14.000 Do you know how fucking scary that would be? 1.00

00:20:16.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.97

00:20:17.000 And even if you look at the way that the Congress talked to him when they hauled him in front of Congress several times, I mean, they like really kind of shake him down.

00:20:26.000 They're like, what are you doing about this?

00:20:28.000 What are you doing about that?

00:20:29.000 How are you making sure that...

00:20:30.000 And imagine the task of making sure...

00:20:32.000 You create a platform where people can speak to each other, and you now have the task of making sure they're all being honest.

00:20:38.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:20:39.000 Like, how the fuck do you do that? 0.99

00:20:40.000 How the fuck do you do that? 1.00

00:20:40.000 It's an insane thing. 1.00

00:20:42.000 And I really do think that, obviously, there's costs to everything.

00:20:45.000 But the only obvious, like, human answer here is like, well, look, we believe in the spirit of free speech or we don't.

00:20:52.000 Like, people can say things.

00:20:53.000 And then if you believe in democracy, which everyone claims to, right?

00:20:57.000 They all say the reason they hate Trump is because he denied democracy or he's a threat to democracy.

00:21:01.000 Well, then you have to believe in the ability of voters to, like...

00:21:05.000 Make a determination for themselves of like, what's what?

00:21:09.000 And if they can't, then the whole project doesn't work anyway. 0.99

00:21:11.000 But they're like, these people, we've been lying to them for so long and they're so dumb. 0.97

00:21:14.000 We can't let them run things. 1.00

00:21:16.000 We can't let them just vote.

00:21:17.000 Just regular vote.

00:21:18.000 Well, it's like I see people up here.

00:21:20.000 It's like, because all the people who are like selling the war in Ukraine right now and how we have to send more weapons in and we have to crack down harder on Russia and be more involved in the war.

00:21:30.000 It's like all the same people who sold the war in Iraq. 0.93

00:21:32.000 I mean, not all of them, but a whole bunch of them are like the exact same people.

00:21:35.000 They're just people who sell war. 0.72

00:21:37.000 Yeah.

00:21:37.000 And those same people were complaining about misinformation.

00:21:41.000 And they're like the ones who sold the war in Iraq. 0.64

00:21:43.000 And then they go, okay, remember how I told you that Saddam Hussein was in bed with Osama bin Laden and he had nukes that he was going to detonate in Kansas? 0.81

00:21:50.000 Well, let me tell you what's going on now.

00:21:52.000 You're like, how do you get to tell me what's going on now?

00:21:54.000 How are you even here?

00:21:56.000 This is precisely what they warned about.

00:21:59.000 Like, when Eisenhower gave that speech.

00:22:02.000 It's precisely what he was warning about.

00:22:05.000 We're warning about undue influence and that there's a whole business behind war now.

00:22:10.000 Right.

00:22:11.000 And they want to go to war.

00:22:12.000 So Eisenhower basically said that during World War II, we built up this arms industry that has never been built up before.

00:22:21.000 And now you have these companies, and he coined the term, the military-industrial complex.

00:22:26.000 And you see this all over the place in Washington, D.C., man.

00:22:29.000 There are like these think tanks.

00:22:31.000 Right.

00:22:32.000 That get funded by the weapons manufacturers and then those think tanks come up with pieces about why we need to go fight a war and then they go and lobby the politicians to support some other war.

00:22:43.000 It's like Yeah, it's something out of like a crazy movie.

00:22:48.000 And you could see that same thing in response to disease.

00:22:51.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:22:53.000 The pharmaceutical companies get involved.

00:22:55.000 The response to disease is always their pharmaceutical products.

00:22:58.000 It's never lifestyle and health changes.

00:23:02.000 One of the best videos of Fauci is early on, before the pandemic kicked off, where he's saying, just lose weight, You don't need a mask.

00:23:10.000 It's not going to work.

00:23:12.000 Just don't drink.

00:23:13.000 Don't smoke.

00:23:13.000 Try to take care of yourself.

00:23:15.000 That's the most important thing.

00:23:16.000 Where did all that go?

00:23:17.000 Well, that's not convenient to pharmaceutical companies.

00:23:21.000 And it's also lumping everybody physically into the same boat in the same category of risk is so crazy.

00:23:28.000 And that's what's really freaking people out because they're trying to do it to little children.

00:23:32.000 Yeah.

00:23:32.000 Because they're trying to do that now to little children when there's significant risk of myocarditis.

00:23:36.000 It's a real thing.

00:23:37.000 We know it's a thing. 0.99

00:23:38.000 These goddamn commercials that you see where they're talking about little kids and myocarditis on television. 0.99

00:23:43.000 When was that an issue? 0.99

00:23:45.000 You're trying to pretend that this was an issue before?

00:23:47.000 This was not an issue that you needed to advertise on television.

00:23:50.000 The risk of myocarditis in children and just give them some medicine and then they're going to grow up and be happy and healthy. 0.96

00:23:56.000 You don't even fucking know that because you don't know the extent of the heart damage. 0.98

00:23:59.000 You don't know that. 0.99

00:24:00.000 There was another clip of Fauci.

00:24:04.000 It was during the lockdown regime before Operation Warp Speed.

00:24:10.000 So before the vaccine regime when we were still in the lockdown regime.

00:24:14.000 And this video, I haven't seen go as viral, but I played it on my podcast.

00:24:18.000 Part of the problem, if you go look, it's in like one of the last five episodes if anyone wants to check it out.

00:24:23.000 But he was saying, point blank, during the COVID lockdowns, that when people were going, well, maybe we could get a vaccine and that'll get us out of these lockdowns.

00:24:32.000 And he was like, no, no, no, because even if we got a vaccine, it would take at least two years of trials before we would know whether this vaccine was safe.

00:24:41.000 And then sometimes vaccines can have a negative effect Actually, you're worse at fighting off the virus afterward.

00:24:47.000 And he kind of breaks down this whole thing.

00:24:49.000 Then all of a sudden, once Operation Warp Speed starts, and then once Biden gets in, you're not allowed to talk about that anymore.

00:24:55.000 And in fact, when I was on with you, it was a couple times ago.

00:24:59.000 It was the clip that you got all this heat for, and Fauci even responded.

00:25:04.000 And essentially what you were saying was like, hey, if you're a young person, just be really healthy.

00:25:10.000 That's my advice to you.

00:25:11.000 Eat healthy, exercise, get a lot of sunlight, get vitamin D, like all these things.

00:25:15.000 And that became like a...

00:25:17.000 Like a controversial statement?

00:25:19.000 All of the science backs that up.

00:25:21.000 That that is absolutely excellent advice.

00:25:24.000 But it had nothing to do with science at that point.

00:25:26.000 It was a narrative.

00:25:27.000 This is what's going to get us out of this horrible thing we're in now.

00:25:31.000 Take it.

00:25:31.000 And everybody had to take it.

00:25:33.000 And if you didn't take it, there was all this crazy nonsense.

00:25:37.000 First of all, they knew in the beginning that it wasn't going to stop infection.

00:25:40.000 They knew.

00:25:41.000 Burke said that.

00:25:42.000 She said that now.

00:25:44.000 I should have said that before.

00:25:45.000 She said that.

00:25:46.000 I knew that it wasn't going to prevent infection.

00:25:48.000 She said, like, we oversold it a little or something like that?

00:25:51.000 I don't know what she said, how she said it.

00:25:55.000 That was known back then.

00:25:58.000 And it's also, if you talk to virologists about respiratory illnesses, you can't contain them.

00:26:04.000 Can you stop yourself from getting it? 0.98

00:26:07.000 Yeah, if you completely isolate from humanity and you stay on a ranch and you never leave and you get your own well water and you wait this bitch out. 1.00

00:26:14.000 That's possible. 0.99

00:26:15.000 You could do that.

00:26:16.000 But other than that, if you're going to be in contact with human beings, And especially something that you can spread before you know you have it, which apparently is the case.

00:26:26.000 Like, people could have a mild form of it and be spreading it, and then other people can die from it.

00:26:30.000 And you might not be affected by it at all, but the other people that get it might die.

00:26:34.000 And so that was the big fear, right?

00:26:36.000 And everybody was like, if you are irresponsible at this point, you're contributing to this horrible situation.

00:26:42.000 I get that.

00:26:43.000 But why didn't we put that same sort of focus and same sort of pressure on people to take care of their health? 0.97

00:26:52.000 Because that makes a big fucking difference. 0.72

00:26:54.000 A giant difference, as big as anything, is whether or not you're healthy and you have a robust immune system that can fight off any kind of infection. 0.98

00:27:02.000 Not just this one, but all the ones that people get constantly and die from. 0.95

00:27:06.000 I mean, there's fucking... 0.83

00:27:08.000 In the neighborhood of 30,000 to 50,000 people every year die from the flu, right? 0.98

00:27:12.000 Isn't it something crazy like that?

00:27:13.000 Yeah, depending on the season.

00:27:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:15.000 What about that?

00:27:16.000 Are we just going to do the same lockdown thing for everything now?

00:27:20.000 What are we going to do when diseases come?

00:27:22.000 Is 50,000 okay, but 500,000 is bad?

00:27:25.000 And out of those 500,000, how many of them were fat?

00:27:28.000 How many of them were old?

00:27:30.000 How many of them had Four comorbidities, which is the average?

00:27:34.000 Four comorbidities of people that died from it?

00:27:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:27:37.000 This is wild shit. 1.00

00:27:39.000 Yeah, and this has been true way before COVID in America. 0.99

00:27:42.000 According to the CDC, I think it was between 66% and 70% of medical costs are associated with preventable illness.

00:27:52.000 Yeah.

00:27:53.000 So whether it's obesity, smoking, you know, drugs, you know, all this like unhealthy lifestyle type stuff.

00:28:01.000 And then, you know, we have like these debates over like Obamacare and all these other things.

00:28:06.000 And none of that ever comes up.

00:28:08.000 Like no one ever brings up the fact that like, well, if we actually want to have a solution to the health problem in this country, well, we kind of know what the solution is.

00:28:17.000 Solution is to eat good and exercise and things like this and don't do drugs, or at least the unhealthy ones.

00:28:24.000 Don't smoke cigarettes.

00:28:25.000 That's kind of the solution.

00:28:27.000 And no one ever seems to be like, well, we're asking the people to do this.

00:28:30.000 I'm certainly not advocating forcing anyone to do anything, but...

00:28:33.000 You could at least mention that.

00:28:35.000 Well, you know, I mean, you could find a world in which that would be encouraged, where it could be encouraged in a positive way and it would really literally change people's lives.

00:28:44.000 Like they would start doing it and start feeling better and then that would become a new way of life for them.

00:28:49.000 And then they would look back a year, two, three years from now with so much more energy and so much healthier and feel so much better and go, God, why didn't someone tell me this earlier?

00:28:57.000 And that's a thing.

00:28:58.000 That's a real thing that we can do.

00:29:00.000 This is just such a fucking fascinating time to watch people's thought processes and how quickly people are to join the herd mentality and to not question things, especially the people that put all their faith in some of the Companies that have been shown to be the most deceptive and profited the most from that deception and have been penalized, 0.81

00:29:23.000 even though they've been penalized financially, if you look at the gain versus loss, it's not even a slap on the wrist because they were still allowed to make billions of dollars from pharmaceutical medications that killed millions of people. 0.97

00:29:35.000 Yeah.

00:29:36.000 Or at least thousands of people.

00:29:38.000 Yeah, and then they're just doing math.

00:29:41.000 They're like, okay, well, we pay this $5 billion fine, but we make $40 billion in profits.

00:29:45.000 Well, that's what Abramson said when I had John Abramson on, who's a guy who's litigated against pharmaceutical companies in the Vioxx case.

00:29:50.000 He got the internal memos where they said there's going to be all these complications, but we will do well. 0.97

00:29:57.000 They knew the health complications that were going to be associated with this medication that wound up killing at least 50,000 people, which is fucking wild. 0.72

00:30:06.000 And they made like 12 billion, they got penalized a few billion, and so they made profit. 0.75

00:30:12.000 They made profit off of a disease which they pushed through knowing that they were hiding data.

00:30:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:30:20.000 It's fucking... 1.00

00:30:21.000 And then people were willing to trust them. 0.99

00:30:23.000 And then, you know, when you look at things like when they had these COVID passports in all of these big cities, you know, the thing that's so crazy is like, so then they go, okay, so the government is basically forcing you to consume this pharmaceutical product or you can't participate in the society that you live in.

00:30:40.000 And then all these people get forced into it.

00:30:43.000 It's clear as day that this did nothing.

00:30:46.000 I mean, they put the vaccine passports into effect in New York City before the Omicron variant.

00:30:51.000 And when Omicron came through, it just wiped through.

00:30:53.000 Everybody got Omicron in the city.

00:30:55.000 It was like the most contagious variant.

00:30:57.000 It did nothing to stop this.

00:30:58.000 And then ultimately it was like so obvious and the people just weren't having it, so they pulled back on it.

00:31:02.000 But then there's no admission that like, oh, we got that wrong.

00:31:05.000 There's no reconciliation, no correction.

00:31:07.000 But the pharmaceutical companies, they kept all the money for all the people who were forced to consume their product.

00:31:12.000 Well, not only that, they have zero risk.

00:31:15.000 Right.

00:31:15.000 Completely protected from liability.

00:31:18.000 Many of them got funding from the government for the development in Operation Warp Speed.

00:31:22.000 So, yeah, it's a pretty sweet gig.

00:31:24.000 Look, whenever there's a pandemic or whenever there's a new thing, there's a crisis, there's always going to be mistakes made.

00:31:32.000 And it's whether or not we learn from those mistakes and whether or not you have a healthy distrust for narratives that are being pushed by people who have a financial incentive for these narratives to be correct.

00:31:45.000 Here's another one we don't talk about.

00:31:47.000 Respirators.

00:31:49.000 Do you know how many people died because they were on respirators?

00:31:52.000 Is it a correlation or is it a causation? 0.98

00:31:54.000 Well, they don't fucking use them as much anymore. 0.93

00:31:56.000 That's a fact. 0.97

00:31:57.000 And 88% of the people in New York, something like that?

00:32:01.000 Find out what percentage of people got put on respirators who wound up dying.

00:32:04.000 You could say, well, they were going to die anyway, and that's why.

00:32:08.000 There's some people that disagree with that, and they say, no, you blew out these people's lungs.

00:32:28.000 Determined like we're not going to be putting these people on respirators anymore because they're so many of them are dying.

00:32:33.000 Most New York COVID patients on ventilators died.

00:32:36.000 Yeah.

00:32:37.000 Rose to 88% of those who received mechanical ventilation.

00:32:41.000 Among the 2,634 patients whom outcomes were known, the overall death rate was 21%, but it rose to 88% for the ones who were ventilated.

00:32:51.000 Jesus Christ.

00:32:52.000 So even just that.

00:32:53.000 So let's just pretend it's only...

00:32:57.000 What is that, 67%?

00:32:59.000 Imagine that.

00:33:00.000 Just that.

00:33:02.000 67%? 1.00

00:33:03.000 That's a lot of fucking people dying. 0.99

00:33:06.000 And this one, to your point though, I would say I don't think there was anything malicious about this. 0.99

00:33:10.000 I do think doctors were trying to save people, and then they quickly started realizing, our patients are doing really bad when we put them on these ventilators, and then they backed off, and they were like, let's not do this anymore.

00:33:19.000 So to your point, yeah, mistakes will be made, and I think that one was an honest mistake.

00:33:24.000 But the point is that at least the doctors then corrected that.

00:33:27.000 And then went, okay, we're not going to do that anymore.

00:33:29.000 We're going to wait until we absolutely need to, to put them on these ventilators.

00:33:33.000 But there seems to be with all of these other, like, major policies from the federal government and from a lot of these state governments that there's just kind of...

00:33:42.000 You know, there's like no admission, no recognition.

00:33:44.000 And I mean, I remember like when Texas here, when you guys first opened back up and just ended all of the COVID restrictions, all the blue state governors were saying, this is so reckless and insane and people are going to die.

00:33:58.000 And then the death rate was no worse than in any of these other blue states.

00:34:01.000 And now they all stopped.

00:34:03.000 And they don't even acknowledge it.

00:34:04.000 Everyone who wants a point to Florida, like Florida, what they did, they had the highest rate of death in COVID. Yeah, but they have the oldest people.

00:34:13.000 And if you age adjust, it's no different than California.

00:34:16.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:34:17.000 If you age adjust, that was the right way to do it. 1.00

00:34:21.000 He was right.

00:34:22.000 No one's saying that COVID's good.

00:34:24.000 It was not good.

00:34:25.000 But these people that did things that were not good for society, were not good for small businesses, were not good for people's mental health, were not good for the development of children's language skills, like all these things were wrong, man.

00:34:39.000 Well, look, I mean, there's so much stuff.

00:34:41.000 It's going to be like a generation before we even see the damage from the lockdowns.

00:34:47.000 And we won't even be able to know for sure what exactly, like trace it back to what exactly was the damage from the lockdowns.

00:34:53.000 But just think about what a nightmare, you know.

00:34:55.000 2020, I mean, there were riots in that year that were obviously about the George Floyd thing, but were very related to the lockdowns as well.

00:35:02.000 Like, it wasn't a coincidence that after three months of being locked in your home with no bar, no sports, no friend's house, no work, you know, then all of a sudden people were rioting. 0.93

00:35:14.000 Because cops have done, you know, fucked up shit a lot of times before, and this one led to national, you know, riots. 0.98

00:35:19.000 That was all part of the cost of lockdowns. 0.99

00:35:22.000 So the economy, the inflation that we're dealing with right now was a huge part of the lockdowns.

00:35:28.000 And it was partly because they printed trillions of dollars as a result of being like, well, what are we going to do to make sure we're not in a depression if we just stop the economy right now?

00:35:37.000 So, of course, the answer is always, well, we'll print trillions of dollars, hand out most of that to big corporations and give some crumbs to the American people.

00:35:47.000 And so now...

00:35:49.000 You think of the cost of inflation.

00:35:50.000 I mean, people are getting destroyed from the value of the dollar going down right now and the cost of everything rising.

00:35:57.000 These things are all interrelated.

00:36:00.000 It's very hard to measure the cost of shutting down society.

00:36:04.000 No, and that should have been taken into consideration.

00:36:06.000 The fact that it wasn't is so crazy.

00:36:08.000 But everybody wanted to be safe.

00:36:11.000 And the government said, we have to at least have an illusion that we're doing something to protect people.

00:36:19.000 Yeah.

00:36:19.000 But really, I mean, in hindsight at this point, looking back at it, that if the government had just said, look, there's this virus, this nasty upper respiratory virus that's coming over here, And we think that if you're in very bad health,

00:36:35.000 because by March, it was very clear in the data of who was dying from this.

00:36:40.000 It was very clear that it was old and sick people. 0.55

00:36:42.000 This was right away.

00:36:44.000 Yeah, but they focused a lot on outliers.

00:36:46.000 They focused on young people.

00:36:47.000 And a lot of those young people, unfortunately, were ventilated.

00:36:50.000 Yeah, well, that's true, too.

00:36:51.000 You know, Michael Yeo's doctor told him, I'm not going to put you on a ventilator, because if I do, you'll die.

00:36:56.000 And he got it early.

00:36:57.000 He got it in, like, February.

00:37:00.000 So it was early on.

00:37:01.000 His doctor was wise enough, fortunately, to say, yeah.

00:37:05.000 Yeah.

00:37:05.000 No, but I'm just saying, if you were being honest and not focusing on the outliers and actually looking at, like, what we can learn from this data, they could have just said, look, if you are at risk, we really recommend you isolate yourself.

00:37:16.000 For everybody else, try to be smart.

00:37:18.000 Try to be as healthy as you can.

00:37:20.000 Like, you know what I mean?

00:37:21.000 And then if you feel sick at all, don't Come into work.

00:37:25.000 Do not power through it.

00:37:27.000 Do not assume it's allergies or a cold or something like that.

00:37:29.000 Make sure, get tested.

00:37:30.000 And the tests weren't as readily available back then, but just stay home, wait it out, you know what I mean?

00:37:35.000 Whatever.

00:37:35.000 Just doing that and not locking down the economy and not having all of these crazy restrictions would have...

00:37:42.000 It's unquestionably been a much, much better way to handle COVID. Because look, from all these states, if you look at the lockdown states versus the non-lockdown states or the lockdown countries versus the non-lockdown countries, if you look at the mask mandate counties versus the non-mask mandate counties,

00:37:58.000 there's You can't draw any conclusion from any of them.

00:38:01.000 The truth is that this virus just moved the way it was gonna move.

00:38:04.000 And so all you were doing was just destroying people's lives.

00:38:08.000 You were just adding more of a cost than the virus itself was gonna add, which was already significant.

00:38:14.000 And here's another thing they never did.

00:38:16.000 When they got data and the data was pretty clear that a large percentage of the people in the ICU for COVID were deficient in vitamin D. And this is not saying that vitamin D is going to prevent you from getting COVID, but it 100% will increase the power of your immune system.

00:38:32.000 Vitamin D deficiency is a real problem with people's overall metabolic health.

00:38:36.000 And there's a large percentage of our country because we stay indoors all the time, we don't do things, we're not active outside.

00:38:43.000 Vitamin D is a hormone and your body produces it from the sun and that's the best way to get it.

00:38:48.000 But if you're not getting it that way, you can supplement. 0.88

00:38:52.000 And it's a definite best second choice, and it really helps, and it makes a big fucking difference. 0.97

00:38:58.000 It makes a big difference in everything, in muscle development, brain function, like it's a real fucking problem with human beings. 0.97

00:39:06.000 They had that data. 0.94

00:39:08.000 There was no public declaration of this.

00:39:11.000 Yeah, this was known way before COVID. Such a simple thing to tell people, vitamin D is so important.

00:39:17.000 Go outside, lay in the sun. 1.00

00:39:19.000 Go to a fucking park. 1.00

00:39:21.000 When they shut parks down, that was fucking nuts. 1.00

00:39:24.000 Playgrounds down, basketball courts down. 0.99

00:39:25.000 The ocean! 0.99

00:39:26.000 Remember the fucking guy wakeboarding? 1.00

00:39:29.000 These people are out of their fucking minds. 1.00

00:39:31.000 And if they just did that, then I would know at least you are taking measures based on data. 1.00

00:39:37.000 To try to help people and protect people.

00:39:39.000 And just the insane thing is that they all accuse people like us, who talk about it like this, of spreading misinformation throughout the whole time.

00:39:48.000 Meanwhile, the people who say that you should stay inside, they don't get accused of spreading misinformation.

00:39:56.000 The people like the President of the United States and Dr. Fauci, the head of the pandemic response, who say, if you get the vaccine, you won't get COVID and you won't spread it.

00:40:05.000 Point blank.

00:40:06.000 Point blank.

00:40:07.000 That's what they say.

00:40:07.000 That's how they sold this to the American people.

00:40:09.000 And that's not going to get you kicked off Twitter or whatever.

00:40:14.000 It's wild, man.

00:40:16.000 Or the people that spread that story about folks that were having overdoses of ivermectin.

00:40:25.000 And so they were being rushed to the hospitals.

00:40:26.000 They had no room for gunshot patients because so many people were taking ivermectin.

00:40:31.000 A total 100% fabrication and lie that was in Rolling Stone that Rachel Maddow tweeted and then she doubled down on it afterwards after it was proven.

00:40:42.000 We looked at the photo and we're like, why are those people wearing coats?

00:40:45.000 It's August in Oklahoma.

00:40:48.000 Well, it also just, if you just had anyone who knew anything, I'm not a doctor or anything, but if you know anyone who knows anything about it, you would just look at that like I did the second I read that story, go, that doesn't sound right.

00:40:58.000 Because ivermectin is known for being a very safe drug.

00:41:01.000 Whether the argument is that it helps with COVID or not, it's the reason why at the beginning doctors were giving it to people is because they were kind of like, well, this may help or it may not, but it's definitely not a dangerous drug to take.

00:41:12.000 It's on the World Health Organization's list of most important medicines.

00:41:15.000 Yeah, so it just made no sense.

00:41:18.000 You'd at least go in being skeptical of this.

00:41:20.000 By the way, didn't it just get added?

00:41:21.000 It just got added as a COVID treatment, I believe.

00:41:24.000 Yeah, I don't know what the...

00:41:26.000 Find out what that is, because what I've heard is it's just...

00:41:29.000 They just put it on there just to give people information about it.

00:41:34.000 Whether or not they're admitting that it's...

00:41:37.000 But why do they even call it ivermectin?

00:41:38.000 Why don't they call it horse paste? 0.80

00:41:40.000 Why would they even refer to it like this?

00:41:42.000 Here's the crazy thing.

00:41:44.000 That might have worked on some people at the moment. 1.00

00:41:46.000 Where people are like, oh my god, these idiots are taking horse paste. 0.99

00:41:49.000 But now, given the amount of time that's gone on, what it's done, really, is it's eroded significantly people's respect and people's trust in mainstream news. 1.00

00:42:01.000 Which I think is good. 0.97

00:42:02.000 This is fucking very good. 0.95

00:42:03.000 Because we got to find out what CNN really is. 0.98

00:42:05.000 It's a propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.

00:42:08.000 But if you think about it, this is...

00:42:11.000 This is the consequence of all of this stuff.

00:42:14.000 And this one with COVID is the biggest one by far.

00:42:17.000 But even when people would...

00:42:18.000 I remember, like, when Donald Trump was running for president in 2016, and the people in the corporate press, who I know some of them, and they'd be saying these things like...

00:42:28.000 They'd be like, he's just calling us fake news and liars and all of this.

00:42:31.000 And, like, how is this resonating with so many people?

00:42:33.000 And they were, like, completely like...

00:42:35.000 And you're like, guys, I don't know.

00:42:36.000 I mean, you sold a war where a million people died off...

00:42:41.000 This guy had weapons of mass destruction, and he didn't.

00:42:44.000 Like, real people's kids went and fought in that war and then came back and blew their brains out.

00:42:49.000 Tens of thousands of American soldiers blew their brains out.

00:42:52.000 You know, like, a lot of people knew that guy.

00:42:54.000 You know what I mean?

00:42:55.000 Like, I don't know.

00:42:56.000 And they know that you sold this war. 0.61

00:42:58.000 Do you think that in the next 10 years after that, the fact that people have no trust in you, there might be a connection there?

00:43:05.000 Do you think the fact that even like Barack Obama saying, you know, whatever, if you like your plan, you can keep your plan.

00:43:10.000 All these lies.

00:43:12.000 People remember this stuff.

00:43:13.000 But man, if they think that the people in 2016 didn't trust the corporate press, after this, the amount of people who will never, will never look at CNN again, will never look at the New York Times again.

00:43:27.000 As if there's any pretense of even your pretending to tell the truth.

00:43:32.000 It's just not going to happen.

00:43:34.000 It's not going to happen.

00:43:34.000 Or at least it's for huge numbers of people.

00:43:37.000 They'll never trust you again.

00:43:38.000 You can never talk to them again.

00:43:40.000 Well, I think what CNN's trying to do now is rebuild.

00:43:42.000 And they're trying to become a source of objective news.

00:43:45.000 And I think this new guy recognizes the mistakes of... 1.00

00:43:49.000 You're allowing editorials by some of the dumbest fucking people on television, and people that are only there because they were hired. 0.99

00:43:56.000 One of the beautiful things about, whether it's Breaking Points with Crystal and Sagar, who is my favorite show, one of the best points about it is there's no one running that but them. 0.99

00:44:09.000 You're getting objective information from people that you trust.

00:44:13.000 They're gathering up everything they can find and they can give an assessment based on their understanding of these issues and then they debate it and they talk about it and they go over it back and forth.

00:44:24.000 People chose them.

00:44:26.000 People know they can trust them, so they follow them.

00:44:29.000 That's not the case with people on television.

00:44:32.000 They just get hired.

00:44:33.000 Right, it's a thing you can read.

00:44:35.000 It's kind of like, however you feel about Krystal and Sagar, They're not lying to you.

00:44:42.000 You can kind of tell that they're telling you what they think.

00:44:44.000 Not to say that they're right about everything.

00:44:48.000 There's no pretense of them being objective journalists.

00:44:52.000 They both are opinion journalists.

00:44:54.000 They're both like, okay, she's kind of like a left-wing populist, he's kind of a right-wing populist type.

00:44:59.000 But that's our opinion.

00:45:00.000 We'll let you know that up front.

00:45:02.000 Rather than pretending...

00:45:04.000 I take no opinion here.

00:45:05.000 I'm just an objective journalist and, you know, what Brian Stelter did.

00:45:10.000 And everybody knows that we're real news and they're fake news.

00:45:13.000 That's the objective truth.

00:45:14.000 It's like, no, it's not.

00:45:16.000 It doesn't work.

00:45:17.000 No one trusts you.

00:45:18.000 You're not even a real person. 0.98

00:45:19.000 Like, the way you talk is like a lizard pretending to be a person.

00:45:23.000 It's like very strange, right?

00:45:25.000 Yeah.

00:45:25.000 But what gives me hope about those two, Crystal and Sager, is that they are a right-wing populist and a left-wing populist, and yet they're very good friends, and they get along great, and they have respectful conversations about things.

00:45:36.000 And you actually realize that they have a lot of overlap.

00:45:39.000 Mostly.

00:45:40.000 Which is a big thing that I think that the kind of powerful, like the establishment, work very hard to make sure that you don't Right.

00:45:55.000 Don't think about the overlap.

00:46:14.000 You know what J.P. Morgan Chase and Goldman Sachs or the Federal Reserve, what they love is when left-wing America and right-wing America are at each other's throats and they're just raking in billions of dollars in profits because no one's looking at them.

00:46:28.000 But if you really think about the things that most people care about, like most regular Americans care about the most, is they're like, you know, My healthcare is, like, really unaffordable.

00:46:40.000 You know, groceries just went through the roof.

00:46:42.000 My rent just, like, went up by 25%. 0.90

00:46:45.000 So it's like, you go, well, you know, like, does inflation fuck over left-wingers or right-wingers? 0.99

00:46:51.000 It fucks over both of them. 0.99

00:46:52.000 Like, it's all of these things. 0.97

00:46:53.000 It's not a left-versus-right issue.

00:46:55.000 It's like a top-versus-down issue.

00:46:57.000 You know who it really helped?

00:46:59.000 It helped all of the people that got the big corporations who got all that bailout money when the Federal Reserve printed $6 trillion in 2020. It was really good for them.

00:47:06.000 It's really bad for you.

00:47:08.000 It's the old George Carlin thing, right? 0.99

00:47:09.000 It's a big fucking club and you ain't in it. 0.98

00:47:11.000 And that's a left winger or a right winger. 1.00

00:47:13.000 You're not in this club.

00:47:15.000 It's that club versus you.

00:47:16.000 That's the narrative.

00:47:17.000 And they have a lot more in common with each other.

00:47:19.000 Let me tell you, the Republican politicians and Democrat politicians have a lot more in common with each other than they have with you.

00:47:27.000 And left winger and right winger American, you have a lot more in common with each other than you do with...

00:47:34.000 Yeah.

00:47:35.000 And those culture war issues, that's the most important thing that you're saying.

00:47:38.000 And this is something that people need to get in their head, that these culture war issues that we're seeing in the news every day, there is an element of distraction about that.

00:47:49.000 No matter how much you think these issues are important, they are important.

00:47:53.000 They certainly are.

00:47:54.000 They are to people.

00:47:54.000 Yeah, there's lots of them that are very important.

00:47:56.000 They're very important.

00:47:57.000 But they're not talking about them because they're important.

00:48:00.000 They're talking about them because they know this will solidify people's adherence to the ideology, whether it's the right-wing ideology or the left-wing ideology.

00:48:08.000 When you have people like Stacey Abrams saying that a fetal heartbeat is an illusion, like how did she say it?

00:48:15.000 Yeah, it's not real.

00:48:17.000 What you're hearing there isn't real or something like that.

00:48:20.000 What did she say about a heartbeat?

00:48:22.000 She said at six weeks.

00:48:24.000 Established biology.

00:48:25.000 I heard my daughter's heartbeat when she was a six-week-old.

00:48:29.000 It's established biology.

00:48:31.000 This is wild, ideological, crazy cult talk.

00:48:37.000 Well, you just go, well, what was making that whoomp, whoomp, whoomp, whoomp sound that me and my wife listened to in the ultrasound?

00:48:42.000 What did she say?

00:48:42.000 She said, no such thing as a prenatal heartbeat at six weeks.

00:48:46.000 The sound is manufactured.

00:48:49.000 Just that statement alone should discredit you to the point where people should never listen to anything you ever say again.

00:48:55.000 And what does she even mean?

00:48:56.000 Who's manufacturing it?

00:48:57.000 My wife's OB was just in the corner going, whoomp, [...

00:49:10.000 That's crazy, too.

00:49:11.000 Because you're saying, like, eight months and four weeks?

00:49:14.000 Or eight months and three weeks, rather?

00:49:16.000 Like, right before the kid's coming out?

00:49:18.000 That's okay?

00:49:19.000 Well, this is, it's when, it's like, this is the logical conclusion of this kind of, like, well, my body, my choice, and no restrictions.

00:49:26.000 And you go, so let's say that there's a woman who, whatever, right, eight weeks, nine months, because not everyone goes on their due date.

00:49:33.000 Nine months, walks in and goes, I just don't feel like it anymore.

00:49:35.000 Ugh.

00:49:36.000 Can I have an abortion now? 0.99

00:49:37.000 Like, almost everyone would go, no.

00:49:39.000 I'm sorry.

00:49:40.000 At this point, no.

00:49:42.000 But anyway, you ever see, to the point of the culture wars as a distraction, you ever see, like, you know in those, like, nexus charts where you can chart, like, words that are used in mainstream, like, big newspapers and stuff?

00:49:55.000 So you could chart, like, a word in the New York Times and how many times it's used.

00:49:58.000 So, you know, Washington Post or whatever.

00:50:00.000 If you take any of these, like, woke...

00:50:03.000 Take the term racism, and you put it in a nexus chart, and they'll show you throughout the years how many times the term racism is used in the New York Times.

00:50:12.000 And it's like this, and then around like 2011, 2012, it goes way up.

00:50:18.000 And social justice, way up.

00:50:21.000 Toxic masculinity.

00:50:22.000 Way up.

00:50:23.000 And this isn't coming from the young kids.

00:50:26.000 This isn't coming from 20-year-olds.

00:50:27.000 This isn't coming from the college universities.

00:50:29.000 These are the biggest corporate media platforms in the country. 1.00

00:50:35.000 All at this time, flooded the market with this woke shit. 0.99

00:50:40.000 Now, I'm not saying it didn't exist in college universities. 0.99

00:50:42.000 I'm not saying that that wasn't already going on.

00:50:44.000 I'm just saying that what changed... 0.96

00:50:46.000 Around that time, and it was right toward Obama's second term, what changed was that all of a sudden the woke shit went from being shit that was taught, like critical race theory, and this stuff was taught in college universities, but all of a sudden it had the backing of all of the biggest, most powerful corporations in the world, 0.96

00:51:03.000 and all of the political class, and all of it just got pumped in. 0.95

00:51:06.000 And the theory kind of is that what had happened right then in 2010 was Was you had these huge – this big left-wing populist movement and this big right-wing populist movement.

00:51:19.000 You had the Occupy movement and the Tea Party movement.

00:51:21.000 And they were kind of started over the same thing, which were the banker ballots.

00:51:27.000 Like the first Tea Party – like things were started over the Ron Paul campaigns and the TARP. That was like when the first tea parties broke out.

00:51:35.000 And then the Occupy thing was in direct response to the banker bailouts and all of this stuff.

00:51:39.000 And you had these big movements.

00:51:40.000 And the lefties back then were standing outside of the big banks screaming, we are the 99%.

00:51:47.000 And when they were saying 99%, they didn't even mean 99%.

00:51:50.000 They meant 99.9%.

00:51:52.000 They were like, we're the people who don't own banks.

00:51:54.000 Like the people who own banks versus the people who don't own banks.

00:51:57.000 That's who we represent.

00:51:58.000 That was like the leftist populist movement.

00:52:01.000 And then all of these huge publications.

00:52:03.000 I'm not talking about mom and pop newspapers.

00:52:05.000 I'm saying the New York Times and the Washington Post.

00:52:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:52:08.000 All they wanted to talk about all day was what divides all of them.

00:52:13.000 I was like, no, no, no.

00:52:13.000 You're not the 99%.

00:52:14.000 You're the whites versus the blacks, the gays versus the straights, the trans versus the cis. 0.90

00:52:19.000 And now you look at it, and you see the gay pride parade floats, and there's a Bank of America float.

00:52:26.000 And it just seems to me like these big banks essentially bought off the left. 0.98

00:52:31.000 With all this woke shit, completely distracted them from where their eyes were on the prize, and then turned the left and right against each other, where now they're all fighting. 0.91

00:52:40.000 So to your point, it's not that what they're fighting about doesn't necessarily mean anything. 0.98

00:52:43.000 Some of them are very important issues, but none of them affect the bottom line for the most powerful people in our society.

00:52:49.000 And what are the bankers doing now since those banker bailouts?

00:52:51.000 They got a whole new round of bailouts in 2020. They're raking in profits still.

00:52:57.000 Nothing was ever addressed about that whole corrupt system.

00:53:01.000 So do you think that there was a concerted effort to do this?

00:53:04.000 Like, was there a conversation?

00:53:06.000 Like, how do you think something like that happens?

00:53:07.000 If you think that there's this ramp up and it's been proven by these studies that if you look at the words, like, is it a function of people graduating from these universities and taking these jobs in these companies and deciding to push this agenda because they think that social justice is important?

00:53:25.000 Because they do see, you know, these opponents of Obama as being these racist people that are like this is like underbelly of society that we weren't totally aware of.

00:53:36.000 It needs to be addressed.

00:53:37.000 Or do you think that there is really like a concerted effort from corporations to get people to divide?

00:53:45.000 And if that's the case, how was it discussed?

00:53:48.000 Well, I can't.

00:53:49.000 So, look, the thing is, essentially the answer is I don't know.

00:53:53.000 Because, you know, I don't have, like, factually, I don't know for sure.

00:53:56.000 But there's, I think it was either, I can't remember if it was Michael Tracy or if it was Matt Taibbi.

00:54:02.000 One of them said it.

00:54:03.000 But he goes, I'm not saying wokeism is a CIA operation.

00:54:08.000 But if it was, everything makes perfect sense.

00:54:11.000 I don't know.

00:54:13.000 And again, those nexus charts, they're not even like studies.

00:54:15.000 They're just mapping the word and how many times it's used.

00:54:18.000 But there is no question that amongst the most powerful forces in media, there was a concerted effort to do this.

00:54:27.000 And my guess is that it's much less likely that that came from the 20-year-old interns than that that came from some power source up at the top.

00:54:35.000 And I think there was an effort to do this.

00:54:37.000 And I think it came from the very top.

00:54:39.000 And this has been going on, by the way, for a long time.

00:54:42.000 Back in the day, this is what they did to the right wing in this country.

00:54:46.000 This is what National Review did when they turned the right wing into culture warriors, when they never were before.

00:54:51.000 The old Robert Taft, who was known as Mr. Republican, his whole thing was like non-interventionist foreign policy, Sound money, some protectionism, so you protect American jobs and stuff like that.

00:55:06.000 It was all this old-school right-wing thing, and then National Review, and all this new right rose up in the 60s, and they were like, no, no, no, no, listen.

00:55:15.000 What really matters is like... 0.88

00:55:18.000 There's homos out there. 1.00

00:55:19.000 All right?

00:55:20.000 Like, that's really what us right-wingers care about.

00:55:22.000 What we really care about is abortion.

00:55:24.000 What we really care about is...

00:55:25.000 Again, not saying abortion's not an important issue.

00:55:27.000 I'm just saying, but they used that, and then they were like, oh, and by the way, that non-interventionist foreign policy thing?

00:55:31.000 Yeah, we're not doing that anymore.

00:55:32.000 We're called warriors now.

00:55:34.000 And we're going to fight communism all throughout the world.

00:55:36.000 Get on board.

00:55:37.000 And so, it just...

00:55:39.000 It seems like...

00:55:40.000 This is a tried-and-true tactic to break up these movements that can actually threaten where the real gravy train is.

00:55:50.000 And where is that?

00:55:52.000 That's in the military-industrial complex, in the banking complex, the pharmaceutical-industrial complex.

00:55:57.000 That's where the real American fascism lies.

00:56:00.000 Not in some people who trespassed on government property on January 6th.

00:56:05.000 Who had nothing, was completely powerless, and then is now sitting in solitary confinement for how many hundreds of days?

00:56:12.000 That's not like the face of fascism in America.

00:56:14.000 If you want to talk about fascism in America, look at like the Patriot Act.

00:56:17.000 Look at vaccine passports. 0.95

00:56:19.000 Look at like, you know, Lockheed Martin and Raytheon.

00:56:23.000 That's where the fascism lies.

00:56:25.000 Well, the January 6th thing is not a small thing.

00:56:29.000 Like when people enter the Capitol with zip ties, that's not a small thing. 0.97

00:56:33.000 And I don't think dismissing how fucked up that was is... 0.97

00:56:39.000 I understand what you're saying. 0.99

00:56:40.000 No, I'm not even saying that it wasn't fucked up or the guy who had zip ties. 0.98

00:56:43.000 And I heard... 0.98

00:56:44.000 I don't know exactly what the story was with that guy with the zip ties.

00:56:46.000 I'm not downplaying it.

00:56:48.000 There were people in there that were 100% unhinged.

00:56:50.000 I think there were some people in there that had they gotten their hands on Mike Pence or something like that, like something very ugly could have happened.

00:56:56.000 So I don't mean to downplay it.

00:56:58.000 I'm just saying that, like, those people, even had they done something to Mike Pence or something like that, would have been shut down by – I mean, the military would have come in, the National Guard would have come in.

00:57:09.000 They were never a real threat to take over the United States of America and implement fascism.

00:57:13.000 My point is that these people that I'm talking about are really powerful and actually affecting the lives of everyday Americans.

00:57:20.000 And my other thing is that a lot of those people in January 6th weren't that guy.

00:57:24.000 And were just people kind of in the crowd who entered the building.

00:57:27.000 And also, what the hell was going on with Mike Epps and how does it make any sense that he is being...

00:57:32.000 Ray Epps.

00:57:32.000 Ray Epps, I'm sorry.

00:57:33.000 Not Mike Epps.

00:57:34.000 Mike Epps is a comedian.

00:57:35.000 That's a great comedian.

00:57:37.000 By the way, for the record, Mike Epps was not in January 6th.

00:57:39.000 I'd like to correct the record and apologize to Mike Epps.

00:57:42.000 So, sorry.

00:57:43.000 Ray Epps, who Democrats are now defending...

00:57:46.000 As like some guy who's being villainized, vilified.

00:57:49.000 Who's defending him?

00:57:50.000 Well, there was some Democrat in Congress the other day who was like, just leave the guy alone.

00:57:54.000 I mean, he wasn't a Fed.

00:57:55.000 Well, we should be concerned.

00:57:55.000 You should be concerned if he's not a Fed, then he's on the other team.

00:57:59.000 So why would you be defending him if he's literally inciting violence?

00:58:03.000 Yeah, you would be calling him an insurrectionist or a domestic terrorist.

00:58:06.000 He's telling people to go inside.

00:58:07.000 How are all these other people arrested and sitting in jail and this guy isn't is already quite an interesting question.

00:58:14.000 What is his history?

00:58:14.000 Do we know?

00:58:16.000 I don't really know much about him.

00:58:17.000 I know that that day, and I know that point blank, it was Ray, the head of the FBI, and one other woman who is like, I think one of the top people in the Justice Department, were straight up asked in congressional testimony if there were any FBI agents or people working with the FBI involved in She would not respond.

00:58:43.000 And they would not answer.

00:58:44.000 They would not answer.

00:58:45.000 They would not answer the question.

00:58:46.000 So, again, I'm more conspiratorial than I ever am on this show today, but just saying.

00:58:52.000 I don't know.

00:58:53.000 In that case, this is not just a conspiracy.

00:58:55.000 It's a conspiracy with evidence.

00:58:56.000 There's a real person.

00:58:57.000 There are real conspiracies, and it's reasonable to question some of this.

00:59:02.000 The amazing job they did of making the term conspiracy theory sound like you're a kook. 0.98

00:59:07.000 It has to be like Sandy Hook.

00:59:09.000 It has to be something completely preposterous.

00:59:11.000 It has to be Pizzagate. 0.97

00:59:13.000 It has to be lizard people. 0.92

00:59:15.000 Even though the official story of all of these events are conspiracies.

00:59:18.000 The official story of 9-11 is a conspiracy. 0.96

00:59:21.000 The official story is it's a conspiracy with Osama bin Laden and a bunch of pissed off Muslims in Afghanistan. 0.97

00:59:27.000 That's a conspiracy. 0.96

00:59:30.000 The war in Iraq was a conspiracy. 0.93

00:59:32.000 Like, no matter how you look at it, all these things are people conspiring.

00:59:35.000 Yeah.

00:59:36.000 Conspiracy theory being a negative term is a really genius thing.

00:59:41.000 Yeah.

00:59:41.000 What they've done is really amazing.

00:59:42.000 And I think they started that during the Kennedy assassination.

00:59:45.000 I think that's when the whole conspiracy theorist term, because they're like...

00:59:51.000 Yeah, like you're not allowed to ask questions about this thing.

00:59:53.000 Especially that thing.

00:59:55.000 That's one of the nuttiest ones.

00:59:56.000 And to this day, I still hear people saying that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. 0.99

01:00:00.000 I'm like, you're out of your fucking mind or misinformed or under-informed or purposely ignorant because you want it to be Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. 0.99

01:00:09.000 The more you read about—you ever talk to Oliver Stone? 1.00

01:00:12.000 No, I've never talked to him, but I've watched a lot of his stuff.

01:00:15.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:00:15.000 Oliver Stone will take you down a fucking rabbit hole. 1.00

01:00:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:00:19.000 And he has it all off the top of his head. 1.00

01:00:21.000 He could just rattle off data and information.

01:00:24.000 He's been following this since, like, he made that film in the 90s.

01:00:30.000 That JFK film was in the 90s.

01:00:32.000 And, you know, he just released a documentary series recently on Showtime.

01:00:36.000 That goes over it in depth.

01:00:38.000 I haven't seen that.

01:00:38.000 His American History docuseries thing was really excellent, man.

01:00:44.000 I highly recommend people watch that.

01:00:46.000 Oliver's incredible.

01:00:47.000 I mean, it's incredible that that guy was this, and still is, this genius filmmaker who also is incredibly well informed about certain things.

01:00:56.000 And he's a patriot.

01:00:57.000 I mean, the guy served in Vietnam. 1.00

01:00:59.000 And he understands the pitfalls of all this shit. 1.00

01:01:03.000 You can't just let it slide. 0.97

01:01:05.000 Yeah, also really worthwhile is watching his interviews with Putin, that series of interviews that he did, particularly considering what's going on right now, which is like, to me, the most important thing in the world, and this is like the next thing where now, you know like how kinda now me and you could talk about,

01:01:24.000 like you could talk about, I tweet, I put things on YouTube about like the vaccine, you know, and negative effects of the vaccine, and I'm just like not worried about it.

01:01:33.000 It's not that hot right now.

01:01:35.000 But last year, you were doing that.

01:01:38.000 You were like, man, this might get me flagged.

01:01:39.000 This might get me kicked off.

01:01:40.000 The conversation that you and I had.

01:01:41.000 Oh yeah, we got so much heat for that.

01:01:44.000 For me saying young people, I would tell them don't get vaccinated. 1.00

01:01:47.000 Yeah, and just that comment, and then going on to say I would tell them to be really healthy and all of this.

01:01:52.000 That comment, it was like trending for a week afterward.

01:01:56.000 The White House is commenting on it.

01:01:57.000 But now this conversation we just had?

01:02:00.000 Doubling down on it and defending it this isn't gonna trend because it's just we're not in that right now But right but then you see with with the Russia thing when that first starts Then all of a sudden if that's what's hot now and this is how they always do this like in the moment They try to really make it they try to make you intimidated to say the important thing in the moment But man dude this thing with Russia is just like the craziest thing in the world like the idea that we're actually Flirting with a nuclear conflict with Russia is

01:02:30.000 the most important priority in the history of humanity, is that America and Russia do not go to war.

01:02:36.000 There's nothing more important than that.

01:02:38.000 That's it.

01:02:39.000 We'll destroy the human species if we do this.

01:02:43.000 And yet there's this war right on Russia's border, and there's no effort to negotiate going on.

01:02:48.000 There's, like, no effort.

01:02:49.000 In fact, from very solid reporting, that actually America, through Boris Johnson, told Ukraine not to negotiate with Russia at the very beginning of the war, when they had a deal worked out.

01:03:02.000 They had a deal worked out.

01:03:04.000 There's been reported in multiple sources that they had a deal worked out, and the deal was basically that Vladimir Putin would pull back.

01:03:09.000 He would pull back his troops and leave Ukraine under the condition that—the very simple conditions that Ukraine— Guaranteed autonomy for the Donbass region and agreed to never join NATO. And that was a deal.

01:03:23.000 Like, okay, I'm not saying everyone thinks that's the perfect deal, but it's better than what we got right now.

01:03:27.000 It's better than nuclear war. 0.74

01:03:28.000 And right now, just the other day...

01:03:30.000 Dude, the official narrative on this whole war, it's just like it makes no sense.

01:03:34.000 And again, like I said, remember, the same people who are pushing this are the ones who are telling you Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and stuff.

01:03:39.000 But the official narrative, Joe, is basically that...

01:03:43.000 Okay, so... 0.97

01:03:45.000 Vladimir Putin is a madman, a crazy war criminal who's hell-bent on reforming the Soviet Union, and this is a real threat that he could do this, but also he's getting humiliated in this war in Ukraine. 0.98

01:04:01.000 He's losing to the poorest country in Europe, and he's just getting humiliated and beat back, but he's still a real threat to take over all of Europe. 0.99

01:04:07.000 And he's a complete madman, by the way, Joe. 0.97

01:04:09.000 But when he says he's gonna use nuclear weapons, don't listen to that. 1.00

01:04:11.000 He'd never actually do that, even though he's a complete madman.

01:04:14.000 And as everyone says, this war, the word they use over and over and over again, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton, all of them, unprovoked. 0.50

01:04:24.000 Vladimir Putin led an unprovoked war in Ukraine.

01:04:28.000 But then, it's just like with Osama Bin Laden, what they did with him then. 0.95

01:04:32.000 Don't listen to him.

01:04:33.000 Whatever you do, don't listen to what he's actually saying, because none of that's his motivations.

01:04:38.000 Like, his motivations are what we tell you.

01:04:41.000 Osama Bin Laden hates us because we're free.

01:04:43.000 And then, like, Ron Paul would just go like, yeah, but that's not what he's saying at all.

01:04:49.000 Like, Osama bin Laden was so clear about why he hated America.

01:04:52.000 And he's like, look, I hate you because you murder innocent civilians in the Muslim world, you prop up brutal dictators in the Muslim world, you prop up Israel who mistreats the Palestinian people, and you have your bases in our Holy Land in the Arabian Peninsula. 0.62

01:05:07.000 And then they're like, nah, he hates us because we're free. 0.90

01:05:09.000 He didn't mention anything about freedom there.

01:05:11.000 And then if you say that, they're like, well, are you defending Osama bin Laden?

01:05:14.000 And you're like, no, I'm just saying, listen to your enemies.

01:05:17.000 There's a reason why he hates us.

01:05:19.000 And if you listen to Vladimir Putin and what he's saying, I mean, look, he's wrong for invading.

01:05:25.000 I mean, you know me, Joe. 0.97

01:05:27.000 I'm the most anti-war fucking person there is, and there's no excuse for that. 0.98

01:05:31.000 Like, tens of thousands of people have died. 0.99

01:05:32.000 It's horrible.

01:05:33.000 And a lot of them are soldiers, but a lot of them are civilians.

01:05:37.000 But to say he was unprovoked is, like, insane.

01:05:41.000 It's just only people who know nothing about the history of this conflict would say there was no provocation.

01:05:47.000 Did you see the conversation that Roger Waters had with that CNN guy?

01:05:50.000 Yeah, because Roger Waters was awesome on that.

01:05:52.000 Because he knows what he's talking about, dude. 0.99

01:05:54.000 And he's right about all of that shit. 0.98

01:05:57.000 Look, this is what he was saying, and he's absolutely right, that the promise when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, and this was verbally promised and put in writing, was that NATO would not expand one inch to the east. 0.99

01:06:12.000 And NATO at that point, the line then was through Germany.

01:06:15.000 Right?

01:06:15.000 Like, the western half of Germany was in the west, and the eastern half was with the Soviet Union.

01:06:21.000 And they were like, we'll let all of these nations, you know, secede, and the Soviet Union will collapse, and we're giving up on communism.

01:06:27.000 It was one of the greatest things that ever happened.

01:06:29.000 And the deal was, okay, you do that, then we won't move NATO, we won't move our military alliance into your area that used to be your realm of influence.

01:06:40.000 We're good to go.

01:06:55.000 And they put, under George W. Bush, they put in Poland these dual-use rocket launchers.

01:07:04.000 There's a big complaint that Vladimir Putin has that he's like, these can be used to get nukes here in a matter of minutes.

01:07:11.000 Like, this is like a threat to us that we cannot tolerate.

01:07:15.000 And then, in 2014, there was a coup in Ukraine that was completely led by the West.

01:07:23.000 I don't know if you've ever heard, but I think I sent you actually once the tape of Gideon Rose, who was the editor for Foreign Affairs magazine on the old Stephen Colbert Report show, back when Colbert was hilarious, and he was just openly bragging about what the game is here.

01:07:38.000 And he was like, well, Ukraine is kind of like the Robin to Russia's Batman.

01:07:42.000 And so our job is to steal Robin away from Batman and make him come over here and join us. 0.99

01:07:47.000 And aha, Vladimir Putin's so stupid that he won't do anything. 1.00

01:07:51.000 And then Colbert's in his old character. 1.00

01:07:52.000 So he's like, well, shouldn't Obama be spiking the football and saying, yeah, in your face, Putin?

01:07:57.000 And Gideon Rose is like, well, no, no, because then Putin might invade Ukraine.

01:08:02.000 So, we wouldn't want to spike the ball, but there's these...

01:08:06.000 Oh yeah, here it is.

01:08:07.000 Let's play it.

01:08:08.000 Go from the beginning.

01:08:08.000 Yeah, play it from the beginning.

01:08:16.000 There's the magazine, Foreign Affairs.

01:08:20.000 Now, Gideon, help me out here.

01:08:23.000 We've got a battle.

01:08:24.000 The Ukraine, some of them want to go into the EU, the European Union, and some of them want to stay with Russia.

01:08:31.000 If the Ukraine's not in Europe right now, what continent is it on?

01:08:35.000 Well, it's part of Eurasia, but it's part of Eastern Europe and the former Soviet bloc.

01:08:39.000 It's basically Robin to Russia's Batman. 0.79

01:08:42.000 And the challenge here...

01:08:44.000 The challenge here is to try to attract it to the West, to get it to flip sides.

01:08:49.000 So the rebels in the streets, what are they fighting for?

01:08:52.000 They're fighting for a better future.

01:08:54.000 Countries have a development...

01:08:54.000 That sounds like a political speech.

01:08:56.000 No, but it's actually true.

01:08:58.000 Countries have to develop over time, and Ukraine basically, after the end of the Soviet Union, faced two tracks.

01:09:04.000 It could stay a sort of stagnant, corrupt, authoritarian country tied to Russia, or it could essentially join the West.

01:09:11.000 It could modernize, liberalize, become a democracy.

01:09:14.000 At the last minute, when it looked like it was going to trade up from its sort of abusive relationship with its boyfriend from the hood to a nice, yuppie...

01:09:22.000 You're not loading these choices in any way whatsoever.

01:09:26.000 It's actually true.

01:09:27.000 When it looked like it was going to trade up to a better environment, at the last minute, Putin offered a bribe.

01:09:33.000 How much?

01:09:33.000 $15 billion.

01:09:34.000 That's a lot of cash, man.

01:09:36.000 It's a lot of cash.

01:09:36.000 And the president, who himself was tied to the old elites and the eastern part of the country who ties to Russia, decided to back off the change and go join Russia.

01:09:45.000 Do you know how many pirate-themed restaurants you can buy with $15 billion?

01:09:49.000 The problem was the western parts of the country and the younger parts of the country and the more modern liberal parts of the country basically knew that they had no future being Russia's vassal, and so they took to the streets.

01:10:00.000 Is America taking sides in this in any way?

01:10:02.000 If these people, the rebels are winning right now, right?

01:10:05.000 Yes, just recently.

01:10:06.000 Why isn't Obama spiking the ball in the end zone and calling Putin and saying, hey, you might have won the medal count, but we won the country count, biatchi? 0.68

01:10:16.000 It's actually a very good question, and the answer is that we don't want Russia to intervene and kick over the table like a game of risk and take Ukraine back.

01:10:25.000 Would they do that?

01:10:26.000 Could he send in troops?

01:10:27.000 Yes, he could.

01:10:27.000 So we are choosing...

01:10:29.000 Does Ukraine have any troops of their own?

01:10:30.000 Would they fight back?

01:10:31.000 Yes, but we don't want this to escalate, and we don't want Russia to crack down.

01:10:34.000 So we want to basically distract Russia. 0.88

01:10:36.000 Oh, look, you have the highest medal count.

01:10:38.000 Oh, you did really well.

01:10:41.000 Is that possible?

01:10:42.000 Here's a shiny object.

01:10:44.000 It'll just take an entire country away from you. 1.00

01:10:48.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:10:50.000 Isn't that funny? 0.99

01:10:51.000 There's a power vacuum right now.

01:10:52.000 There's a power vacuum.

01:10:53.000 The opposition is all together.

01:10:55.000 It's easy to agree on getting rid of the bad old regime and much harder to create a stable country in which everybody compromises and moves forward.

01:11:03.000 They need a strong leader to move the country forward.

01:11:06.000 Do you know who's always good at a moment like that?

01:11:08.000 Vladimir Putin.

01:11:10.000 Do you think he might volunteer to come in and help Ukraine find its way?

01:11:14.000 The reason we don't want, we don't want, we don't want Putin to get involved in this and so we are basically, we want to try and involve him in this decision so that he allows Ukraine to go.

01:11:23.000 We actually want to not, we want to say we want a non-exclusive relationship with Ukraine.

01:11:27.000 You can have a relationship with it too.

01:11:28.000 You're the only one making this into a girlfriend-boyfriend relationship.

01:11:32.000 Ukraine is basically choosing its future between two completely different courses of action, and we're trying to blur that choice so the old boyfriend doesn't get too upset when it makes the right choice.

01:11:41.000 Jesus Christ.

01:11:42.000 So, just to, that's basically, that's the point, but just to add to this, right, so, and it's not just that the guy at Foreign Affairs is saying stuff like this, right, but you also have those, when he says the people took to the streets, you can trace where they were getting their funding from, and it's a whole bunch of NGOs that are Zach and I said George Soros,

01:12:06.000 too.

01:12:06.000 You know his name?

01:12:08.000 It's a goddamn conspiracy. 1.00

01:12:10.000 We good? 1.00

01:12:11.000 No, it's not recording.

01:12:12.000 Okay, hold on.

01:12:12.000 I think I have to reset.

01:12:14.000 No worries.

01:12:15.000 No problem. 1.00

01:12:21.000 That shit's wild, though, right? 1.00

01:12:22.000 It is wild. 1.00

01:12:23.000 It's going to be even wilder listening to the people theorizing why this went down.

01:12:33.000 We're back.

01:12:35.000 Are we back?

01:12:37.000 Yeah.

01:12:38.000 So explain what happened, Jamie, just so it makes sense.

01:12:41.000 I mean, I can keep all the video going.

01:12:42.000 It's just my good audio recording disconnected for a second.

01:12:46.000 So it's good?

01:12:47.000 Yeah, we can keep all that in if you need to.

01:12:49.000 So it's just all these George Soros-funded NGOs were funding the militias on the ground who were overthrowing the government, and then there's a tape of Victoria Nuland.

01:12:58.000 Who was at the State Department at the time, one of the top people at the State Department, and she was basically talking about who would be the new government that took over, who America didn't want in, who we did want in the new government.

01:13:10.000 So it's not, you know, what happened basically was as Gideon Rose was even saying, the Ukrainian government was kind of siding with Russia, or at least a lot more pro-Russia.

01:13:19.000 And then we overthrew that government and installed a pro-America government.

01:13:23.000 And this to Putin, he had said over and over again, was a huge red line for him.

01:13:28.000 Like Ukraine was the big line. 0.75

01:13:30.000 And you could look, imagine, take it from our point of view, if like Russia was coming over here and overthrowing the pro-America government in Montreal and installing a pro-Russia government there.

01:13:41.000 Right.

01:13:41.000 And, you know, like, this would be seen as, would you call that an unprovoked attack?

01:13:46.000 You know, if we were to go in there and then go overthrow that government?

01:13:48.000 So, again, I'm not justifying what he's doing.

01:13:51.000 But, and then the other thing to this, right, that's important to add, is, like, you remember the two big things that it's so weird no one, like, I don't see anyone connecting these things.

01:14:14.000 And, like, what was that?

01:14:16.000 And then the other thing is the current president's son was getting paid millions of dollars from a company, Burisma, in Ukraine.

01:14:24.000 And these things all connect.

01:14:26.000 Basically, what happened was after the 2014 coup...

01:14:30.000 This company, Burisma, they were...

01:14:32.000 And by the way, Matt Taibbi has done incredible reporting on this.

01:14:35.000 I highly recommend everyone read his stuff, his sub-stacks.

01:14:38.000 Incredible.

01:14:39.000 Unbelievable.

01:14:40.000 But so basically, Burisma was in bed with the old government that had allied with Russia.

01:14:46.000 And so when this government was overthrown, they were very worried.

01:14:50.000 Because they were like, oh, we were in bed with the old government, and now there's this new government who's in there.

01:14:54.000 And so instead of bribing the new government, They just went right to the source and bribed the son of the sitting vice president.

01:15:03.000 Joe Biden, when he was vice president, was in charge of Ukraine policy.

01:15:08.000 So that was why they put him there.

01:15:10.000 And then they put some other CIA guy or something like that on their board.

01:15:13.000 They're just paying him money to just be like, hey, keep us in with you.

01:15:16.000 And then Trump was telling them to investigate. 1.00

01:15:20.000 All of this shit. 0.99

01:15:21.000 He got on the phone with them and was like, I want to investigate everything that was going on with Joe and Hunter Biden in Ukraine. 1.00

01:15:27.000 And Donald Trump did.

01:15:29.000 He got into an area that it was, there's an argument it was not okay what he was doing.

01:15:34.000 Because he was kind of going like, maybe you don't get these weapons that I was going to send in.

01:15:39.000 Unless you go investigate them.

01:15:41.000 And this was his political opponent.

01:15:43.000 So it was a little bit of a shady thing.

01:15:45.000 But then the other story about that is that ultimately Trump caved.

01:15:52.000 We're good to go.

01:16:16.000 I think?

01:16:36.000 I think?

01:16:53.000 But they said they voted that they wanted to be part of Russia, not a part of Ukraine.

01:16:57.000 So it's just a very complicated mess.

01:17:00.000 And it's the same thing with like the war on terrorism.

01:17:02.000 If you're going to tell this story of like what led to this, to understand where to go from here, the story has to include that America was intervening in the Middle East for decades before 9-11.

01:17:13.000 The story can't just start at 9-11.

01:17:15.000 You know what I mean?

01:17:16.000 And so...

01:17:17.000 I guess the biggest part is what I said before, that the concern of all of us should be just that there's no nuclear conflict between America and Russia, which seems like we're dangerously close to.

01:17:30.000 More close at any point in our lives than since the 80s.

01:17:34.000 And I grew up during that time, there was this hovering fear over most of America that there was a potential for nuclear war with Russia.

01:17:45.000 We always thought about it.

01:17:46.000 Man, when I was in high school, we thought about it all the time.

01:17:49.000 When the Soviet Union collapsed, it was the greatest sigh of relief, like in my adult life. 0.94

01:17:55.000 And it was the hover of war with Russia was out.

01:17:59.000 And then people got relaxed.

01:18:02.000 And then how long did that last before Operation Desert Storm?

01:18:06.000 A year.

01:18:08.000 Yeah, like maybe a year, right? 0.99

01:18:09.000 And then it was like, holy shit, we're at war again. 0.94

01:18:11.000 I remember watching it on television. 0.98

01:18:13.000 I remember being so confused because when I was a kid, Vietnam ended.

01:18:17.000 And, you know, I was like...

01:18:19.000 I think it was 8 or something like that.

01:18:21.000 I'm pretty sure I was living in San Francisco.

01:18:23.000 I might have been a little older than that.

01:18:25.000 What year did Vietnam end?

01:18:27.000 72?

01:18:28.000 Wait, when did we pull out?

01:18:31.000 Oh man, I might have that wrong.

01:18:33.000 73?

01:18:34.000 So whatever year that was.

01:18:36.000 So I was probably 9 or 10 years old, I think.

01:18:40.000 Oh yeah, I guess 75, but I think we were pretty much out before then.

01:18:45.000 Maybe I'm wrong about that.

01:18:46.000 It wasn't until 75. Okay, so either way.

01:18:49.000 So I'm a kid, and I remember thinking at that time, like, wow, okay, this is great.

01:18:56.000 Now we're never going to have war again.

01:18:58.000 Because, like, we figured out that we shouldn't have war.

01:19:00.000 Right.

01:19:00.000 I remember really thinking that, as, like, whatever I was, eight years old, nine years old.

01:19:04.000 I remember thinking...

01:19:06.000 When I was hearing that the war was done, soldiers were coming home, I was thinking, oh my god, we're never going to have war again.

01:19:11.000 Because I was terrified that I was going to have to get drafted.

01:19:15.000 My stepfather, he didn't get drafted.

01:19:20.000 He got lucky.

01:19:20.000 He was one of the lucky few.

01:19:22.000 Because it was a thing.

01:19:24.000 People would dodge the draft. 0.99

01:19:25.000 They would fucking move to the woods. 1.00

01:19:26.000 They'd move to Canada. 1.00

01:19:27.000 A lot of people moved to Canada. 1.00

01:19:29.000 They're like, fuck this. 0.99

01:19:31.000 And people don't understand how unpopular that was. 1.00

01:19:34.000 That war was so unpopular that Muhammad Ali decided to give up his heavyweight championship of the world in his prime.

01:19:41.000 In his prime.

01:19:44.000 When he fought Cleveland Big Cat Williams, which was like, what year was that?

01:19:53.000 That was Ali's prime.

01:19:55.000 And for the next three years, they made him sit out.

01:19:58.000 And he didn't train, he didn't do anything, and he was a different fighter when he came back.

01:20:02.000 Those three years of taking off, of not training at all, you could see it.

01:20:06.000 He never moved the same way that he did before.

01:20:09.000 No, no, no.

01:20:10.000 He was a different guy, man.

01:20:11.000 He still had some great fights and some great wins after that, but it wasn't the same.

01:20:16.000 Go to Cleveland Big Cat Williams. 0.91

01:20:18.000 Show me that.

01:20:19.000 Because Cleveland Big Cat Williams was just like...

01:20:23.000 Super powerful heavyweight.

01:20:24.000 He was jacked, and he looked fantastic.

01:20:27.000 He was a knockout puncher.

01:20:29.000 And Muhammad Ali just danced around him.

01:20:32.000 It was magic, man. 1.00

01:20:34.000 And he hit him with this fucking combination. 0.99

01:20:37.000 Like, if a middleweight threw combinations like this, you would be shocked. 0.99

01:20:41.000 But here, you have a heavyweight.

01:20:43.000 How light he is on his feet just already.

01:20:45.000 Oh, man.

01:20:45.000 This was when he was in his prime.

01:20:47.000 This was Ali at the very best.

01:20:48.000 This is before they took it away from him.

01:20:50.000 And if you look at him then, it's timing, everything.

01:20:52.000 His movement.

01:20:54.000 And Cleveland Big Cat, look how Jack Williams is. 1.00

01:20:56.000 I mean, he's a dangerous fucking puncher. 0.99

01:20:58.000 And he's stalking Muhammad Ali. 1.00

01:21:00.000 And Muhammad Ali's just slowly putting it on him.

01:21:03.000 Just finding the openings, looking, looking, showing him this, showing him that, never standing right in front of him.

01:21:10.000 And as he got older, he couldn't do that anymore, man.

01:21:13.000 Like when he fought Foreman, he essentially let Foreman hit him.

01:21:16.000 He tired him out by doing the rope-a-dope on him.

01:21:19.000 But back then, Ali was just... 0.94

01:21:21.000 Sonny Liston was fucking perplexed, especially in their first fight. 0.97

01:21:26.000 The second fight, it looks like Sonny Liston took a dive. 0.98

01:21:29.000 But in the first fight, he was trying to get Ali to the point where he put liniment on his gloves.

01:21:36.000 And he went back to his corner.

01:21:38.000 He said, he's got something on his gloves.

01:21:39.000 He's got something on his gloves.

01:21:40.000 He goes, keep playing that.

01:21:42.000 And Angelo Dundee was like, you can't quit.

01:21:45.000 We can't take the gloves off, champ.

01:21:47.000 You're in the heavyweight title fight.

01:21:48.000 You've got to fight through this.

01:21:50.000 So he fights through this and starts busting Liston up.

01:21:52.000 And eventually stops him and wins the heavyweight title when Liston quits in his corner.

01:21:57.000 But he was...

01:21:58.000 You know, he was so good, man.

01:22:01.000 He was so fast, and nobody had seen a heavyweight move like this.

01:22:04.000 This looks like it'd be so frustrating to fight someone like this.

01:22:07.000 Oh, so frustrating.

01:22:08.000 But you're just walking them down, and then they're constantly gone, and you're...

01:22:11.000 But there, there he starts tagging them.

01:22:12.000 Oh, yeah.

01:22:13.000 So he starts tagging them.

01:22:14.000 And now Cleveland's confused, because now he's getting hurt.

01:22:17.000 He's getting hurt by this guy's moving backwards, and he can't hit them.

01:22:20.000 Look at that jab.

01:22:20.000 Look at that jab, dude.

01:22:22.000 I mean, and his hands are low, and he steps in with a left hook.

01:22:26.000 Jabbing to the body, and now he starts to piece him up.

01:22:29.000 And when he starts connecting with him, you could see the magic that he had back then.

01:22:34.000 It was just, there was combinations that came from him that you never saw a heavyweight throw.

01:22:41.000 You would see, like, Sugar Ray Robinson throw combinations like this.

01:22:44.000 To see a guy who's 200-plus pounds doing it was just unheard of.

01:22:49.000 And even since then, I mean, when have you ever seen a heavyweight who fights like this?

01:22:52.000 No, but nobody fights like him.

01:22:53.000 Nobody fights like him.

01:22:54.000 And you'd think someone would have, because he's like the greatest ever, someone would have studied this and tried to replicate it?

01:22:59.000 But like, no...

01:23:00.000 Ali could knock you out too, Matt.

01:23:02.000 So once he starts finding Cleveland's number, and here you see him finding Cleveland's number, he's really starting to land some decent combinations on him.

01:23:10.000 And Cleveland's still coming forward looking to land the haymaker.

01:23:13.000 He's got serious power, and that's why he's so confident, right? 0.99

01:23:16.000 He's like moving forward because he knows if he can hit this fucking dude like he hits everybody else, everybody goes night-night. 0.99

01:23:21.000 And all this dancing and moving around and stuff would be inconsequential if he could land on him. 0.97

01:23:25.000 It kind of reminds me of the way Anderson Silva used to fight like in his prime where he'd dance around and then when he'd start really getting in his rhythm just open up like crazy, but he was 185 pounds.

01:23:34.000 Yeah, there's a little bit of that, but Anderson was much more subtle in his movement.

01:23:39.000 And of course, kicks and knees and all that shit. 0.98

01:23:41.000 Anderson was just a master computer. 0.99

01:23:44.000 He would download all your movements and put them in the master computer, and then somewhere around the end of the first round, he would start lighting you up, and you'd be like, oh shit.

01:23:52.000 He's like, yep, he collected all the data.

01:23:54.000 The only people that were successful against Anderson made Anderson lead.

01:23:59.000 It's very interesting.

01:24:00.000 Patrick Cote was one of the first guys to figure that out.

01:24:02.000 He made Anderson lead.

01:24:04.000 And Patrick was super dangerous, like serious one-punch knockout power.

01:24:08.000 And so he had that right hand cocked.

01:24:11.000 And he made Anderson lead and it was a very boring fight because Anderson wouldn't lead.

01:24:15.000 And then somewhere in the fight, unfortunately, Patrick blew his knee out.

01:24:19.000 And he blew his knee out like throwing a kick or something like that.

01:24:22.000 His knee exploded and collapsed.

01:24:24.000 I remember, I think it was when he was going into the third round and he held up number three.

01:24:28.000 I go, that's how big the aura of invincibility around Anderson Silva was.

01:24:32.000 That he was like, I'm in the third round.

01:24:35.000 And everyone was like, how is this even possible?

01:24:37.000 How's it possible?

01:24:38.000 How's it possible he hasn't killed you already?

01:24:40.000 Well, Patrick was very smart.

01:24:41.000 Very smart in his approach.

01:24:43.000 And he fought a very intelligent fight if you're gonna fight a guy like Anderson Silva.

01:24:48.000 And Patrick always had the threat of the one big knockout punch.

01:24:51.000 He knocked out everybody, man.

01:24:53.000 Patrick Lote, if he connected, woo! 1.00

01:24:55.000 That guy was throwing some fucking heat. 0.99

01:24:57.000 He's coaching now. 0.99

01:24:58.000 He was one of the most recent UFC's I saw him.

01:25:02.000 It's good to see him coaching.

01:25:03.000 It's good to see guys who've got a ton of experience and where great fighters get involved in coaching.

01:25:09.000 Because some of them actually make better coaches than they made fighters.

01:25:12.000 Yeah, like Dean Thomas was a really good fighter, but he's probably a better coach than he was a fighter.

01:25:17.000 He's a fantastic coach.

01:25:17.000 Because he's like one of the best.

01:25:18.000 He's got the best insight whenever we come to him.

01:25:20.000 Yeah, he's great.

01:25:21.000 He should be doing commentary for events as well, not just doing the thing that he's doing that way.

01:25:26.000 I would love to do a show with him where me and him do commentary, like if it's one that DC can't make or something.

01:25:32.000 He's great.

01:25:33.000 But it's like, whatever...

01:25:36.000 Whatever magic that we're talking about here with fighters like Ali had it in a way during I think this fight This was like my favorite version of Ali because it's kind of a little bit of a mismatch ultimately We know because Ali went on to be the greatest arguably of all time But when you're watching the way he's able to do it like there look at that one two moving backwards Moving let me see that again.

01:26:02.000 Just just back it up just to that.

01:26:04.000 Let me see that again.

01:26:05.000 Watch this Bink! 1.00

01:26:06.000 Bink! 0.99

01:26:07.000 Bink! 0.99

01:26:07.000 Oh my goodness! 0.99

01:26:09.000 Moving backwards, he drops him, and that's when he knows he has him, right? 0.99

01:26:13.000 He's been touching this guy up and touching this guy up and landing good combinations, but now Cleveland's fucked. 0.99

01:26:19.000 And now he realizes it. 0.99

01:26:21.000 And he's got this one style.

01:26:22.000 He's a move forward guy.

01:26:23.000 So he can't back up and start moving and dancing and avoiding trouble.

01:26:28.000 He's got to stand right in front of him. 0.98

01:26:29.000 And Ali's just fucking tuning him up and drops him again. 1.00

01:26:35.000 Bro, he was sensational back then. 0.99

01:26:39.000 Sensational.

01:26:40.000 I mean, he barely got hit in this fight.

01:26:42.000 Barely got hit.

01:26:43.000 Barely got hit.

01:26:45.000 Didn't get hit with anything clean.

01:26:46.000 It was just beautiful, man.

01:26:48.000 Just artistry, the movement in and out.

01:26:50.000 Look at that left, right!

01:26:51.000 And then he stands over him with his hands up in the air.

01:26:55.000 Come on, son.

01:26:58.000 Come on, son.

01:26:59.000 So was this one of his last before he got up, before they wouldn't let him fight for not going to the draft?

01:27:03.000 So, yes.

01:27:04.000 This was the last.

01:27:05.000 This was the last one?

01:27:06.000 I believe this was, there might have been one other fight.

01:27:08.000 I'm not sure.

01:27:09.000 So he makes it to the final bell.

01:27:11.000 He makes it to the bell because he got saved by the bell in that last round.

01:27:14.000 So he gets up.

01:27:15.000 They move him to his stool. 1.00

01:27:17.000 But now he's fucked, man. 1.00

01:27:18.000 And now Ali's on fire. 1.00

01:27:20.000 Look at him, man.

01:27:21.000 Just, you know, if people want to see Ali, I always want to show them this one.

01:27:26.000 Because this was Ali at his most beautiful. 0.97

01:27:28.000 I mean, this was just fucking masterful. 0.96

01:27:31.000 He was just fighting a perfect fight. 0.99

01:27:32.000 Oh, look at these combinations, man!

01:27:35.000 I mean, and how gutsy is Cleveland Big Cat Williams that he keeps getting up?

01:27:39.000 So now he's been dropped four times.

01:27:41.000 Yeah, they should be throwing the towel in here, man. 0.99

01:27:43.000 100%, but back then they didn't give a fuck, dude. 0.99

01:27:45.000 You fought. 0.99

01:27:46.000 Yeah.

01:27:46.000 Dudes just, they were harder people, man.

01:27:48.000 Yeah, yeah, for sure.

01:27:49.000 It was a harder sport.

01:27:50.000 Boom, boom, [...

01:27:53.000 I mean, come on, man.

01:27:55.000 Look at this combination.

01:27:56.000 And look at them avoid those punches!

01:27:59.000 Look at them.

01:28:00.000 Like, it's like two magnets, like the gloves can't touch them.

01:28:03.000 And then he clips them with that right hand. 0.99

01:28:06.000 I mean, this shit is just artistic. 0.99

01:28:10.000 This is the most martial arts, the most artistic of martial arts. 1.00

01:28:15.000 And that's it.

01:28:16.000 That referee's...

01:28:17.000 That's enough.

01:28:18.000 That's enough.

01:28:19.000 That's enough.

01:28:19.000 And no complaints.

01:28:20.000 That's enough.

01:28:21.000 That wasn't a stoppage.

01:28:24.000 That was a saving.

01:28:25.000 Was that his last fight?

01:28:27.000 Before Jerry Quarry because Jerry Quarry was his comeback fight and Jerry you could see in that fight like his body looked different It says here this was on November 14th 66 and the article I have here that says he was convicted on June 20th 67 so he could have had another one in between Let's go to his Wikipedia and see if that I I want to say that that was it.

01:28:49.000 I want to say that was it.

01:28:50.000 But that to me is like...

01:28:52.000 There's fights where you like...

01:28:53.000 For me, it's like...

01:28:54.000 I know it's not the most important fight in his career, but Marvis Frazier versus Mike Tyson.

01:29:00.000 There's fights where you just go... 0.99

01:29:02.000 God damn! 1.00

01:29:03.000 Who's gonna fuck with that version of that guy? 1.00

01:29:06.000 Mike Tyson vs. 0.99

01:29:07.000 Marvis Frazier, that's my fight. 1.00

01:29:09.000 And I say, you know, Mike Tyson knocked out Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson beat all these great fighters.

01:29:14.000 Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. 0.97

01:29:15.000 But the Mike Tyson that took out Marvis Frazier was one of the scariest fucking human beings that ever walked into a ring. 0.99

01:29:23.000 Ever! 0.97

01:29:23.000 He fought twice. 0.97

01:29:24.000 He fought twice after that.

01:29:26.000 Yeah, and then Jerry Corey was after.

01:29:27.000 Okay.

01:29:28.000 So he won by unanimous decision against Ernie Terrell and won with a knockout against Zora Foley.

01:29:37.000 That was another great fight. 0.98

01:29:38.000 If you go to that fight, too, that was another fucking fantastic performance. 0.97

01:29:42.000 But the Cleveland Big Cat Williams was just an exceptionally impressive one. 0.97

01:29:46.000 So it's that and then three years of nothing.

01:29:49.000 You remember the Carlin bit about it?

01:29:51.000 No, I don't.

01:29:52.000 It's like one of my favorite jokes ever.

01:29:54.000 No.

01:29:54.000 Like Carlin's bit.

01:29:55.000 He was like, Muhammad Ali.

01:29:58.000 Muhammad Ali goes, he had a strange job.

01:29:59.000 Strange job.

01:30:00.000 He beats people up for a living.

01:30:01.000 That was his job.

01:30:02.000 And then the government says, we don't want you to beat people up anymore. 1.00

01:30:04.000 We want you to kill people. 0.96

01:30:05.000 And he goes, no, no, that's where I draw the line. 1.00

01:30:08.000 And then the government goes, well, if you won't kill people, we won't let you beat them up.

01:30:13.000 It's just, like, such a great bit.

01:30:14.000 Because it's completely true. 0.99

01:30:16.000 It's like when you put it like this, how is this not the most insane shit ever? 0.99

01:30:20.000 That's literally what the supposed, like, leaders are deciding. 0.99

01:30:24.000 Yeah.

01:30:25.000 Well, that's one of the reasons why he was so important is because he wasn't just an important athlete, like the greatest boxer that we'd ever seen as a heavyweight, for sure.

01:30:35.000 But he was also an important cultural figure.

01:30:37.000 Because when he was saying, no Viet Cong guy ever did anything to me.

01:30:42.000 I'm not going to go over there and kill people.

01:30:43.000 And he said it publicly.

01:30:44.000 Like, this is why I have no problem with Vietnam people. 1.00

01:30:47.000 Why am I going over there to fight them? 0.98

01:30:48.000 Why is my government telling me to go over there and kill people? 0.92

01:30:50.000 I'm not doing that.

01:30:51.000 Yeah, and as it turns out, it was for no good reason.

01:30:54.000 All sold off a lie.

01:30:55.000 Just like all the other ones.

01:30:57.000 All sold off of another conspiracy.

01:30:57.000 The Gulf of Tonkin incident is a real conspiracy.

01:31:01.000 And that's not even something that people debate anymore.

01:31:03.000 No, it's not debated.

01:31:04.000 This is just known.

01:31:06.000 Go to the Gulf of Tonkin, because I don't want to fuck this up, but the way we got into the Vietnam War was basically just a made-up story.

01:31:17.000 And it's true with the Lusitania in World War I, too.

01:31:20.000 It was like completely the way the story was told to the American people.

01:31:24.000 What's that story?

01:31:24.000 It was basically that there was like, oh, this ship that had Americans on it was shot down by German submarines.

01:31:33.000 And they were like, well, why would they do this?

01:31:35.000 They knew it was just a ship of civilians.

01:31:37.000 But then it turns out that actually the ship was delivering weapons to the British.

01:31:41.000 And so it's like, oh, yeah, you were delivering weapons into a war zone.

01:31:45.000 Got a little bit more reasonable to shoot down your ship.

01:31:48.000 The Gulf of Tonkin incident occurred August of 1964. North Vietnamese warships purportedly attacked United States warships, the USS Maddox and the USS C. Turner J. Two separate occasions in the Gulf of Tonkin,

01:32:08.000 a body of water neighboring modern-day Vietnam.

01:32:10.000 But what actually happened?

01:32:18.000 Um, so...

01:32:37.000 So was there an initial attack and not a secondary attack?

01:32:42.000 Was there any attack at all?

01:32:46.000 Yeah, I haven't read up on this in a while.

01:32:49.000 But they definitely made that up and it was completely misrepresented.

01:32:53.000 And yeah, it was all like, you know, an effort.

01:32:55.000 It's hard because it still seems like the official story is that it's not a hoax.

01:33:02.000 See what it's saying there?

01:33:04.000 It says it was passed on August 7, 1964 by the U.S. Congress after an alleged attack on two U.S. naval destroyers sanctioned in the coast of Vietnam.

01:33:13.000 It doesn't say that that was a hoax.

01:33:15.000 Well, the History.com version probably wouldn't go into the...

01:33:18.000 Right, but is it a conspiracy is my question, or is it just proven fact over time that just hasn't been accepted because the initial narrative by the government has never been rescinded?

01:33:31.000 Yeah, I think that it at least partially has been admitted.

01:33:36.000 That at least they lied about the way they presented it.

01:33:39.000 Jamie will get to the bottom of this.

01:33:42.000 Do a full research project on the Gulf of Tonkin right now?

01:33:44.000 Please do.

01:33:45.000 You have time.

01:33:46.000 Is there a way to see whether or not it was a hoax?

01:33:53.000 Like, how do they know if it was or was not a hoax?

01:33:56.000 There's no source to go to for that, necessarily.

01:33:59.000 So when people say that the Gulf of Tonkin was a hoax, are they just hearing it from me and repeating it?

01:34:06.000 No, it's not just from you.

01:34:08.000 There's a lot of people who have been saying this.

01:34:09.000 No, Oliver Stone said it.

01:34:11.000 But how much of that is based on provable fact?

01:34:15.000 Yeah, I remember learning all about this, but it was like 13 years ago, and I'm a little rusty.

01:34:22.000 I'm a little rusty.

01:34:22.000 It's one of those things, I'm glad we just looked it up, because it's one of those things that I just repeat.

01:34:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:27.000 But sometimes you repeat it based off your previous memory of this, but I'm like, no, I remember knowing this, so I'm pretty confident in repeating it.

01:34:33.000 That is the worst thing about memory.

01:34:35.000 You can repeat a memory of it wrong.

01:34:38.000 All right.

01:34:38.000 Yep.

01:34:39.000 Here's another reporting of this.

01:34:42.000 It says there remains no doubt the North Vietnamese attacked the USS Maddox in the first incident on August 2nd.

01:34:49.000 Although it does appear that the United States provoked this attack.

01:34:52.000 Right, right.

01:34:52.000 The second attack, which took place on August 4th, 1964, can...

01:34:56.000 Oops, what the fuck? 0.97

01:34:58.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:34:58.000 Is that a commercial? 1.00

01:34:59.000 Oh my God, they just make you watch a commercial?

01:35:02.000 Like, oh, you should be right in the middle of reading by now.

01:35:04.000 Website compromised.

01:35:06.000 I don't even know which one I clicked on.

01:35:07.000 Is that what it said?

01:35:08.000 Website compromise?

01:35:09.000 No, that's what happened.

01:35:10.000 I'm telling you, that's what happened.

01:35:11.000 That website.

01:35:12.000 See, it's just going back to some ad.

01:35:14.000 You have to confirm that you're not a robot.

01:35:16.000 No, no, no.

01:35:17.000 You don't click that.

01:35:19.000 That's how you get more of those.

01:35:21.000 No, no, no, no.

01:35:22.000 They're just trying to make sure you're not a robot.

01:35:24.000 I think it's just good people doing their job.

01:35:26.000 Yeah, they're just fine folks doing their job to kill democracy. 1.00

01:35:31.000 Find out what you click on and put it in a fucking database. 0.99

01:35:34.000 That's AI slowly gathering information on us. 0.99

01:35:37.000 Yeah, something's up with it.

01:35:39.000 But even as crazy as the war in Vietnam was, and it's just horrible, it slaughtered so many people in a country so we could impose that they wouldn't be ruled by the communists or something like that.

01:35:51.000 How many Americans died in that war?

01:35:54.000 50, 60,000?

01:35:55.000 Okay, American planes hit North Vietnam after a second attack on our destroyers.

01:36:00.000 Move taken to halt new aggression announced the Washington Post headline on August 5th, 1964. The same day, on the front page of the New York Times reported, President Johnson has ordered retaliatory action against gunboats.

01:36:16.000 Yeah.

01:36:36.000 A pattern took hold.

01:36:38.000 Continuous government lies passed on by pliant mass media leading to over 50,000 American deaths and millions of Vietnamese casualties.

01:36:48.000 The official story was the North Vietnamese torpedo boats launched an unprovoked attack against a U.S. destroyer on a routine patrol in the Tonkin Gulf on August 2nd and that North Vietnamese PT boats followed up with a deliberate attack on a pair of U.S. ships two days later.

01:37:05.000 The truth was very different.

01:37:07.000 Rather than being on a routine patrol on August 2nd, the U.S. destroyer Maddox was actually engaged in aggressive intelligence gathering maneuvers in sync with coordinated attacks on North Vietnam by the South Vietnamese Navy and the Laotian Air Force.

01:37:22.000 The day before, two attacks on North Vietnam had taken place, writes scholar Daniel C. Hallen.

01:37:28.000 These assaults were a part of a campaign of increasing military pressure on the North that the United States had been pursuing since early 1964. On the night of August 4th, the Pentagon proclaimed that a second attack by North Vietnamese PT boats had occurred earlier that day in the Tonkin Gulf.

01:37:46.000 A report cited by President Johnson as he went on national TV later that evening to announce a momentous escalation in the war, airstrikes against North Vietnam.

01:37:57.000 But Johnson ordered US bombers to retaliate for North Vietnamese torpedo attack that never happened.

01:38:05.000 So it didn't happen?

01:38:06.000 Yeah.

01:38:07.000 I can read the whole article, but this is boring already.

01:38:09.000 Yeah, but basically the whole thing was completely misconstrued and made up, right?

01:38:13.000 So what they're saying is that they acted like, oh, it was just this unprovoked attack on one of our naval ships.

01:38:19.000 When actually, the first attack, our naval ship was involved in this what they called aggressive intelligence gathering.

01:38:25.000 So basically coordinating with the other side who was bombing them.

01:38:28.000 And they had just been bombed twice by the other side in the days preceding it.

01:38:32.000 So they responded.

01:38:33.000 And then the second attack just never even happened.

01:38:35.000 So that's, I mean, it's, and the thing about it is that it's like they knowingly lied about this because they wanted a pretense to get into the war.

01:38:45.000 And that's, it's so much how all of these wars start and all of the ones since.

01:38:49.000 But the difference is like, at least in Vietnam, basically the thing has been since World War II that like, we fought a whole lot of wars.

01:38:57.000 But we don't fight wars with nuclear-armed powers.

01:38:59.000 We fought a few proxy wars with nuclear-armed powers, like Vietnam.

01:39:03.000 Kind of a proxy war with Russia in Vietnam.

01:39:06.000 Or in Korea.

01:39:07.000 Like a proxy war with Russia, but in Korea.

01:39:08.000 But there was a buffer zone there.

01:39:10.000 Like it wasn't right on Russia's border, and it wasn't right on our border.

01:39:14.000 So we could kind of like fight these proxy wars out there.

01:39:17.000 But the thing with Ukraine is that it's like... 0.99

01:39:20.000 Like I really think...

01:39:21.000 The thing that scares me about the nuclear threat from Vladimir Putin is that I feel like he can't lose this war.

01:39:27.000 And the American position is that he must lose.

01:39:31.000 He must completely lose the war and retreat and give Ukraine all back to Ukraine. 0.99

01:39:37.000 And it's like, however you feel about that, that's just not gonna happen.

01:39:40.000 That's not gonna happen.

01:39:41.000 He's not handing the whole thing back over.

01:39:43.000 And you may think that's wrong, and I kind of think it's wrong, too.

01:39:46.000 I don't know.

01:39:47.000 I think maybe he should keep Donbass.

01:39:48.000 I don't really know.

01:39:49.000 But it's like...

01:39:51.000 It's not going to happen.

01:39:52.000 And Joe Biden is acting like he must win this war.

01:39:57.000 But that's not really true.

01:39:58.000 We don't really need it.

01:40:00.000 But Vladimir Putin does need it.

01:40:01.000 He can't lose a war right on his border.

01:40:04.000 That's a different type of thing to give up.

01:40:07.000 And so now he's saying that if the territory of Russia...

01:40:11.000 Is infringed on, he will use nuclear weapons. 0.84

01:40:14.000 And he said straight up, this is not a bluff.

01:40:16.000 He goes, this is not a bluff.

01:40:17.000 I will use nukes. 0.68

01:40:18.000 He just said this the other day.

01:40:20.000 And then Zelensky goes on and gives a speech.

01:40:24.000 And Zelensky says that his standard is not just that Russia has to retreat and give back all the territory to Ukraine, but that Russia must be punished.

01:40:33.000 For the aggression into Ukraine. 0.84

01:40:36.000 And then Zelensky says that if Russia even thinks about using nukes, that the other nuclear-armed countries should use their nukes against Russia. 0.98

01:40:45.000 And you're just like, dude, what the fuck are we talking about here? 0.91

01:40:49.000 I'm like, I'm sorry. 0.96

01:40:50.000 No.

01:40:51.000 No.

01:40:51.000 We shouldn't.

01:40:53.000 We shouldn't use nukes against Russia preemptively because this Zelensky guy wants us to. 0.93

01:40:58.000 The people that we have that run the country There's not one thing that you point to and you go, well, they're fucking awesome at that. 0.85

01:41:08.000 Right?

01:41:08.000 Not one thing.

01:41:09.000 Not one thing where you're like, I have full trust in them when it comes to that.

01:41:13.000 Not a single thing.

01:41:14.000 Not a single thing.

01:41:15.000 Yet we're entrusting them with the biggest, most important thing ever.

01:41:20.000 Avoiding a nuclear war.

01:41:22.000 Imagine how crazy that is.

01:41:23.000 Now imagine what kind of person wants that job.

01:41:26.000 Like these unexceptional people that we're talking about before.

01:41:29.000 These aren't the people that are like the thought leaders of the world.

01:41:32.000 These are the people that win the popularity contest.

01:41:34.000 And a lot of them are winning because they're... 0.86

01:41:37.000 Connected to whatever the fucking current hive mind ideology is, and they pump up, and they use these words, and they say the certain things that that group is saying, whether it's on the right or the left. 0.95

01:41:48.000 That's what a lot of these people are doing. 0.98

01:41:50.000 Well, it's kind of the flaw.

01:41:52.000 It's a flaw in the democratic process, in a way.

01:41:55.000 Yes.

01:41:55.000 Because it's like, well, I'll just play to the most low-information voters who really outnumber the high-information voters.

01:42:04.000 You know what's going to change that?

01:42:05.000 What's that?

01:42:07.000 Mind reading.

01:42:08.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:42:09.000 Maybe that's what we've got to hope for.

01:42:12.000 Let's hope that comes before the nuclear war comes. 0.85

01:42:15.000 I think that's going to be like life before the internet and life after the internet, but like times a million.

01:42:20.000 And I think it's coming.

01:42:22.000 And I don't think it's an if. 0.99

01:42:25.000 It's a matter of when and only if we don't blow ourselves up or Get involved in some sort of a natural disaster, get hit by an asteroid, super volcano, that kind of shit could fuck everything up. 0.75

01:42:37.000 But if that doesn't happen, if we can just keep going on this path and let these super nerds figure shit out for the next thousand years or hundred years or whatever it is, it's gonna change everything. 0.88

01:42:49.000 Because we're gonna know how people actually operate, how they're actually thinking.

01:42:53.000 And it's going to be really weird.

01:42:55.000 Because all of our thoughts of romance and interpersonal relationships and how people really feel about you, all of them are going to be exposed like we're all on mushrooms.

01:43:05.000 It's going to be a very weird thing.

01:43:07.000 And I'd imagine, I mean, I don't know enough about this, but I'd imagine even before you get to the point of just reading someone's thoughts, you probably get to the point of just reading whether they're lying or not.

01:43:17.000 You know what I mean?

01:43:18.000 Just knowing whether what they're saying is a lie.

01:43:20.000 Like being able to kind of like figure out, not like a lie detector test, which isn't as like reliable, but like actually being able to find out, no, we've figured out the scientific like, you know, indicators that somebody's lying and you could wear something, you could have a lens on that will tell you this person's lying or whether they're telling the truth.

01:43:37.000 Sometimes you just know.

01:43:40.000 Like, why do you just know?

01:43:41.000 You're not always right.

01:43:43.000 Like, there's certain people that can just lie, right?

01:43:46.000 They're probably really good at it and they do it a lot.

01:43:48.000 But with some people, like when they're lying to you, there's like a feeling.

01:43:53.000 Yeah.

01:43:53.000 Like a disruption in the force.

01:43:55.000 Like, what's happening here?

01:43:57.000 Yeah, it's a very interesting thing.

01:43:59.000 And that's almost like what I was saying before when we were talking about Crystal and Sagar.

01:44:03.000 And then, they're not lying to you.

01:44:07.000 And I just know they're not lying to you.

01:44:09.000 I don't know either of them personally.

01:44:11.000 But I just know.

01:44:12.000 I could just watch the show and be like, those people aren't lying to you.

01:44:14.000 And I don't think they're right about everything.

01:44:16.000 I probably disagree with both of them about several things.

01:44:18.000 I agree with them about other things.

01:44:19.000 But they're not lying to you.

01:44:22.000 But that's supposed to happen, man.

01:44:23.000 The idea that you're supposed to agree with everybody about everything is so crazy.

01:44:27.000 And this is part of the problem with having a right and a left, is that you get attached to that team.

01:44:33.000 And they'll label you in order to frame you in some nefarious way.

01:44:39.000 You see it all the time, I mean, with people.

01:44:42.000 And then it's like the more heated things get, the more people get dug in to each team because you're so furious with the other team that you're like, well, I gotta be with this team.

01:44:50.000 So then even if that team does something wrong, you're like, well, I gotta be with this team to protect me from this other team.

01:44:56.000 100%.

01:44:57.000 And have you been paying attention to this new leader of Italy, the woman?

01:45:02.000 Yeah, I saw her, the speech that everybody's flipping out about.

01:45:06.000 I've been following a bit about it.

01:45:08.000 It is fascinating.

01:45:09.000 This is what's fascinating.

01:45:11.000 There's two groups of people that I follow, and their reactions to it are so hyper different. 0.98

01:45:17.000 There's, like, the right-wing people like, fuck yeah, Italy! 0.97

01:45:20.000 And then there's the left-wing people like, the far-right, you know, new leader. 0.99

01:45:25.000 Like, this is dangerous, fascist rhetoric and connected to fascism.

01:45:30.000 They've really overplayed that fascist hand.

01:45:33.000 Because, you know, if that's what they're saying, the Brothers of Italy or something, I think, is their political party.

01:45:39.000 And they're saying that they represent some neo-Musolinian movement or something like that.

01:45:47.000 I don't, you know, I don't know, but I do think that, like, I don't know what you think about it, but I thought what she said in that speech, I got it, and I get why it's appealing, and I don't think there was anything, at least in what she said in that.

01:46:03.000 What did she say?

01:46:03.000 Can we read what she said?

01:46:05.000 Because she said it in Italian.

01:46:06.000 Yeah, well, okay, that's also true.

01:46:08.000 I'm just assuming that the words on the bottom of the screen when she was talking was actually what she was saying.

01:46:12.000 It's like those Hitler memes.

01:46:14.000 You ever see that one where it's like, you know, I can't believe Dunkin' Donuts is having a sale?

01:46:19.000 It's like Hitler's screaming.

01:46:22.000 What is... 1.00

01:46:22.000 Those fucking memes are so funny, man, when they do that over the Hitler speech. 1.00

01:46:26.000 It would be so funny if I'm just saying all this stuff and I just read the wrong translation. 0.99

01:46:29.000 I was like, I don't know, she just said, like, family and Christianity is fine.

01:46:33.000 And then you're like, what she actually said was we need to round up the Jews.

01:46:35.000 And I'd be like, oh, okay, I am not for that.

01:46:37.000 Then I'm going to go on record and change my opinion.

01:46:40.000 I didn't like that part.

01:46:41.000 But it would be too late because I already have you.

01:46:43.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:46:43.000 Dave Smith is all for rounding up the Jews.

01:46:45.000 It's written down.

01:46:46.000 But I'm a Jew.

01:46:47.000 He wants to round up himself.

01:46:50.000 It's self-hate.

01:46:52.000 He's an Uncle Howie.

01:46:55.000 What is the...

01:46:57.000 I was trying to read if...

01:46:58.000 I mean, I'm assuming she said it in Italian, so now I'm assuming that this is translated into English.

01:47:04.000 She spoke at CPAC and had a speech in English.

01:47:07.000 I'm trying to assume this is what she said, but I don't know.

01:47:09.000 She said if this is...

01:47:11.000 We're assuming this is the translation is correct.

01:47:14.000 If we are called to govern this nation, we will do it for everyone.

01:47:18.000 We will do it for all Italians, and we will do it With the aim of uniting the people of this country, Maloney said at her party's Rome headquarters.

01:47:28.000 Italy chose us, she said.

01:47:30.000 We will not betray the country as we never have.

01:47:34.000 As polls in the run-up to Sunday's vote showed her as likely winner, Mallory has moderated her far-right message in an apparent attempt to reassure the European Union and other international partners.

01:47:46.000 This is the time for being responsible, Maloney said.

01:47:49.000 Appearing live on television describing the situation for Italy and the European Union as particularly complex, Maloney, who campaigned on a motto of God, country, and family, said the result was only a beginning.

01:48:03.000 This is a night of pride for brothers of Italy, but is a starting point, not a finish line, she was quoted as saying by The Guardian.

01:48:12.000 Yeah, well, but already that, just at that point, because they're saying, like, well, she campaigned on God, country, and family.

01:48:19.000 And I understand, I can understand, because I grew up in a very liberal, you know, area, and I understand where, like, a lot of people on the left don't like the idea of a political leader campaigning on God, nation, and family.

01:48:34.000 Like, they're like, hey, this should somehow, like, government should be neutral on those issues or something like that.

01:48:39.000 Yeah.

01:48:39.000 At least I would think, if you're a liberal or a leftist or something, at least understand why do you think it is that that message is so appealing to so many people.

01:48:49.000 And you have to almost objectively say that, look, those things are things.

01:48:54.000 That a lot of people care about.

01:48:56.000 You know, like, just in the 20th century alone, how many people were willing to go and fight in wars under the banner of nationalism, like, for their country, you know?

01:49:06.000 And, like, people care about their country.

01:49:08.000 And obviously people care about their god a lot.

01:49:10.000 And obviously people care about their family a lot.

01:49:13.000 And what I saw of her, assuming the translation was correct, in her speech was she was saying that these things are constantly under attack right now.

01:49:21.000 And there's no need.

01:49:22.000 Like, we don't have to live in a society where, like, Christianity and patriotism and family is constantly being demonized.

01:49:33.000 Like, all of the things that we like to identify as are constantly being demonized.

01:49:37.000 And I would at least, like, say to, like, left-wingers, You know, if you keep up this game of, like, demonizing all of those things, there's going to be a right-wing response to it.

01:49:47.000 People are going to rally around the political leaders who are, like, saying, like, no, we're for traditional families and Christianity and national greatness.

01:49:56.000 I'm not even saying I'm for that, but I get the appeal of it.

01:49:59.000 Yeah, but not even saying traditional family, just family, period.

01:50:03.000 I mean, it's not labeling it traditional family, but the idea that those things would be offensive.

01:50:06.000 I get the impression that that's what she means.

01:50:08.000 Yeah, it shouldn't be.

01:50:09.000 But here's the thing.

01:50:10.000 It wouldn't be offensive if it was a particular god.

01:50:12.000 So, like, if you're talking about Islam, like, if you are against anything that is Islamic or Muslim, you'll be thought of as Islamophobic.

01:50:23.000 There's no Christianaphobic, which is fascinating.

01:50:26.000 It's really weird because there's a political leaning in this country where people look at people that have certain religious beliefs and they'll mock them.

01:50:38.000 Like, Christianity is a very easy one to mock. 1.00

01:50:40.000 Because, well, the easiest are like Scientology.

01:50:43.000 That's number one.

01:50:44.000 Sure, sure.

01:50:44.000 And then Mormonism is, you know, it's like Joseph Smith was 14 when you wrote that.

01:50:48.000 You know, it's kind of, it's wild shit, right? 0.99

01:50:51.000 But those are easy. 1.00

01:50:52.000 But when it comes to like the one that you're allowed to mock, you're allowed to mock Christians. 0.99

01:50:57.000 That's the one that's like the easiest to mock.

01:50:59.000 If you mock... 0.96

01:51:01.000 Muslims and Islamic culture, like, you're in danger. 1.00

01:51:05.000 You're in physical danger. 0.98

01:51:07.000 Yes.

01:51:07.000 I also think you're right about all of that, but also a distinction that I'd make is, like, it seems to me when there's the mocking of Mormons or something like that is more of a kind of, like, making fun of them, whereas with Christians there seems to be, like, real vitriol in it with them.

01:51:24.000 Like, there's more hatred toward them. 1.00

01:51:26.000 And it's connected to stupidity. 1.00

01:51:28.000 It's connected to a lack of intelligence and a lack of education. 1.00

01:51:35.000 Yeah, no question about that.

01:51:37.000 In fact, the truth is that for better or for worse, and there was a lot of both, there was a lot of good and bad, but Christianity had a huge impact on civilization, and it was the Foundational ideology of Western civilization.

01:51:55.000 Now, that doesn't mean you have to be a Christian, but all of that is really dismissed, like the contributions that Christianity made to the world that so many of us enjoy. 0.82

01:52:05.000 Well, it's not like Christianity needs a fucking star in the Hollywood Walk of Fame, but it's an ideology that millions of people hold. 0.60

01:52:16.000 And there's tenets in it that could lead to a better world if people followed them. 0.99

01:52:23.000 That's undeniable.

01:52:25.000 To treat people as if they're your brothers and sisters and do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

01:52:32.000 There's certain principles involved in a lot of religions that guide ethical behavior.

01:52:38.000 The problem is you're so outdated.

01:52:41.000 Well, that's true, but that's the problem, right?

01:52:43.000 When you're reading these things, they condone slavery, they treat women as second-class citizens. 1.00

01:52:48.000 There's a lot of weird shit. 0.98

01:52:50.000 But most of that stuff, at least in Christianity, isn't actually followed in practice today, right? 0.99

01:52:56.000 People aren't practicing slavery and aren't practicing treating women like second-class citizens the way it's laid out in the Bible.

01:53:09.000 It's always...

01:53:10.000 The idea is always sold as like, well, look, you have reason and then you have faith.

01:53:19.000 And faith is believing something in the absence of reason, so reason is preferable to faith.

01:53:25.000 But the issue is when you remove religion...

01:53:28.000 It never is, in any mass level, replaced with reason.

01:53:33.000 It's always replaced with another religion. 0.97

01:53:36.000 Because the desire to worship is so hardwired into humans. 0.82

01:53:41.000 You look at the most insane woke kids.

01:53:46.000 Yeah. 0.51

01:54:09.000 We're good to go.

01:54:28.000 So you're like, if there's gonna be a religion one way or the other, I'd probably like the one that is at least has thousands of years of stability behind it and has at least, like, moderated on its worst issues and is no longer being used as a justification for how many times you can beat your slave a day,

01:54:43.000 even though that is in the book.

01:54:45.000 You know what I mean?

01:54:46.000 But, like, people aren't really doing that anymore, so...

01:54:49.000 Yeah.

01:54:51.000 If you're gonna base it all on that...

01:54:54.000 To the word, then you're going to have a problem in modern society.

01:54:58.000 Sure.

01:54:58.000 How can you be a Christian and follow those rules?

01:55:03.000 Well, yeah, that's going to be tough.

01:55:05.000 That's what it's saying.

01:55:07.000 But I think what people need is something that makes sense for today.

01:55:12.000 You know, something that...

01:55:15.000 And I think it's probably psychedelics.

01:55:17.000 I think...

01:55:18.000 If there's gonna be a thing that brings people...

01:55:21.000 The problem with that is just like the problem with anything else.

01:55:26.000 It's humans.

01:55:27.000 And humans get involved in things, and ego get involved in things, and next thing you know, you're a guru. 0.99

01:55:32.000 And next thing you know, you're banging all your disciples, and you're living on some fucking... 0.99

01:55:37.000 Wild, wild country. 1.00

01:55:38.000 That's where it fucking goes. 1.00

01:55:40.000 Because of humans. 0.99

01:55:42.000 Because we are primates. 1.00

01:55:43.000 And we do have these fucking weird dominator minds. 0.99

01:55:46.000 And even when you connect them to psychedelics, it creates these people that... 0.99

01:55:49.000 They get all this adoration out of introducing ceremonies and having people come together and do these things together.

01:55:57.000 It's a weird thing.

01:55:58.000 Well, there's always...

01:55:59.000 With all these things, there's a lot of benefits, but there's also the negative sides, right?

01:56:02.000 So it's like people do have...

01:56:05.000 Particularly with psychedelics, like with mushrooms and LSD and stuff like that, people do have these pretty amazing experiences.

01:56:13.000 And I've had some, and there's a lot that you can learn about the world through them.

01:56:19.000 But then they also do make it kind of like, I've never done a DMT or ayahuasca or whatever, but particularly with those, you are in a state where if you have some guru or whatever who's leading you through the journey, Well, that person is put in a position of a lot of power over you now.

01:56:34.000 You know what I mean?

01:56:35.000 And you see this stuff with Manson.

01:56:36.000 He would stay sober and give them all the mushrooms and then guide them in these crazy directions and stuff like that.

01:56:42.000 Well, did you read Tom O'Neill's book?

01:56:43.000 No.

01:56:43.000 Oh, my God.

01:56:44.000 I've said it for a million times.

01:56:46.000 I'm sorry if you heard this before, folks.

01:56:47.000 There's a great book called Chaos by Tom O'Neill.

01:56:50.000 Tom O'Neill was Greg Fitzsimmons' next-door neighbor. 0.98

01:56:54.000 And this was like fucking 20 years ago. 0.95

01:56:56.000 He's writing this article about Manson. 0.97

01:56:58.000 So Greg never suggests people.

01:57:00.000 He says, you've got to have this guy on.

01:57:03.000 He just finished his book.

01:57:04.000 It took him 20 years to make it.

01:57:06.000 And he details how he kept getting fired and he missed deadlines, but he's just so obsessed with the data and trying to figure out what's going on. 0.97

01:57:14.000 But that whole fucking thing with Manson was a CIA PSYOP. He was a part of all that MK Ultra LSD studies. 0.86

01:57:25.000 They were letting him out of jail.

01:57:28.000 He was getting arrested, and then they would go to the people that arrested him and go, no, no, no, no, no.

01:57:33.000 Let him go.

01:57:33.000 And they would have to let him go.

01:57:35.000 And these sheriffs were like, it's above my pay grade.

01:57:37.000 And they had to let him go. 0.99

01:57:38.000 And he was connected to a bunch of different robberies and shit. 0.99

01:57:40.000 He was on parole. 0.99

01:57:41.000 He should have been locked up.

01:57:43.000 Jolly West visited him in jail.

01:57:47.000 It's documented.

01:57:48.000 They visited him in jail.

01:57:50.000 And he was a part of their program.

01:57:51.000 They would take people, especially people that were charismatic, and teach him how to use psychedelics to influence people.

01:57:58.000 Wasn't Ted Kaczynski was like a similar thing, right?

01:58:00.000 He was a similar thing.

01:58:01.000 He was a part of the Harvard studies.

01:58:02.000 Right. 1.00

01:58:03.000 And he went fucking cuckoo. 1.00

01:58:05.000 And they just fucked with him too. 1.00

01:58:06.000 I think with the Ted Kaczynski thing, part of it was just fucking with him. 1.00

01:58:09.000 It's just insane. 1.00

01:58:10.000 They just make him feel like shit. 1.00

01:58:12.000 They're like, what if we just treat him like shit constantly? 1.00

01:58:14.000 Huh, I wonder what would happen if we did that. 0.99

01:58:16.000 Well, so many things went wrong with him.

01:58:18.000 Did you watch the Netflix documentary?

01:58:20.000 I haven't seen that.

01:58:21.000 I've read a decent amount about it though.

01:58:23.000 He had some sort of an illness when he was a baby, when he was really young.

01:58:27.000 So they took him to a hospital where no one touched him.

01:58:30.000 They just left him in his crib to scream and cry and just kept him fed for like months. 0.98

01:58:35.000 And it fucked him up. 0.93

01:58:37.000 And his brother talks openly about how he just connected those times of him being a child. 0.95

01:58:47.000 And he just had no empathy for people, no connection with people.

01:58:51.000 They raised a monster by just not having him be touched. 0.99

01:58:55.000 And then that same guy ends up to go get fucked with in these studies. 1.00

01:59:00.000 Jesus Christ. 0.99

01:59:00.000 And then he goes on to blow people up. 0.99

01:59:02.000 Like, what a shocker.

01:59:02.000 Yeah, really.

01:59:03.000 Like, what the fuck, man? 0.99

01:59:04.000 And he was a super genius, which is like the worst combination ever. 1.00

01:59:08.000 And so, of course, like, there's these things, right?

01:59:10.000 Like, you know, when people first, like, really started discovering, when they discovered LSD and when people, like, you know what I mean?

01:59:16.000 Like...

01:59:17.000 It's like there is this thing where it's like, wow, this has so much potential, it's very interesting, and we don't exactly understand it, but it really creates these experiences. 0.79

01:59:24.000 And then it's like you leave it to the government to be like, well, let's use this in the most fucked up way imaginable. 0.55

01:59:29.000 How about that? 0.99

01:59:30.000 Let's dose up Johns when they're going to brothels and study them through mirrors. 1.00

01:59:34.000 It's just insane.

01:59:36.000 But I do think there's like, even with pot, which is, I guess, just a milder hallucinogen, right?

01:59:44.000 Psychedelic.

01:59:44.000 I think there are a lot of benefits to smoking pot, but then there's also these real problems with it.

01:59:51.000 I know I used to smoke a ton of pot, and I think that...

01:59:55.000 I kind of credit it.

01:59:57.000 I think it's one of the reasons why I'm good at breaking down this type of stuff.

02:00:01.000 I think it really helped.

02:00:03.000 I think there was something about it that was...

02:00:05.000 It allowed me to...

02:00:08.000 To kind of zoom out and question things and look at them in different ways.

02:00:12.000 You know what I mean?

02:00:13.000 It's a very...

02:00:14.000 You remember the video you did that went super viral?

02:00:18.000 I think it was before you started the podcast.

02:00:19.000 It was right around the time that went real viral about you talking about war and stuff like that.

02:00:24.000 And it was like this viral video, someone edited it together.

02:00:26.000 And I remember you said in the thing, I loved it, where you were like, wait a minute, so we fight these wars.

02:00:31.000 You're telling me we send big metal machines of death to go rip human beings apart?

02:00:37.000 And just the way you describe that, that's the way somebody who's done some hallucinogens or smoked some weed in their life would describe it.

02:00:45.000 I smoked some weed five minutes before I said that.

02:00:47.000 But that's the way you would describe it.

02:00:49.000 It's like, well, let's zoom out and just look at this from a different angle. 0.98

02:00:52.000 What the fuck are we doing here? 0.99

02:00:54.000 Because that's what hallucinogens let you do. 0.99

02:00:59.000 You rise above your own little preconceptions and your things and you focus on what's really going on here.

02:01:06.000 But then the downside to that is that that also allows for escapism. 0.99

02:01:11.000 Because you're not worried about your own little dumb life anymore. 0.98

02:01:16.000 You're worried about the bigger picture and things. 0.99

02:01:18.000 But sometimes people need to be worried about their own life.

02:01:21.000 They actually need to be worried about how are you going to make rent this month or how are you going to do this this month.

02:01:26.000 And I see that with young guys sometimes where it's like, you are smoking way too much pot.

02:01:31.000 Yeah, that's where personal responsibility comes into play.

02:01:33.000 My description of pot was like, it's like a tool, like any other tool, like a hammer. 1.00

02:01:38.000 You could build a house with it or you could hit yourself in the dick. 1.00

02:01:41.000 It's fucking crazy. 1.00

02:01:42.000 I think that's right. 1.00

02:01:42.000 And that's the way I think about marijuana. 1.00

02:01:45.000 I think you have to have some structure and you have to have some discipline in your life.

02:01:51.000 To get anything done.

02:01:52.000 Now, if you don't have those things and then you also really enjoy getting high, that's going to be a problem.

02:01:57.000 Yeah, that's a bad combination.

02:01:59.000 The problem is not getting high.

02:02:00.000 The problem is your behavior patterns lack structure and discipline.

02:02:06.000 If you knew the things you had to do and you went out and did them and you pursued them because they were the most important things, whether it's finding meaningful work, whatever you're trying to do in your life.

02:02:16.000 Focus on that primarily because that's what's going to get you ahead in life.

02:02:20.000 And if you're not doing that, that's the problem.

02:02:23.000 And if you're smoking pot at the same time you're not doing that, it's not the pot's fault.

02:02:28.000 It's your fault.

02:02:30.000 It's your fault.

02:02:30.000 Yeah, I completely agree.

02:02:31.000 And anyway, none of that is a justification for any of it being illegal.

02:02:35.000 None of it is a justification.

02:02:36.000 And too many people find benefit in it.

02:02:39.000 It's too beneficial.

02:02:40.000 Medically, psychologically, it's too beneficial.

02:02:44.000 And even the stuff that you could argue is not beneficial should also all be legal.

02:02:49.000 Yeah, it's like cocaine.

02:02:49.000 It should all be legal.

02:02:51.000 If cocaine was legal, we would have so much less death in this country.

02:02:55.000 So much less death.

02:02:56.000 We got 100,000 ODs a year in this country right now.

02:03:00.000 Number one cause of death for people 18 to 49 is overdosing.

02:03:03.000 The life expectancy is going down because of the overdose epidemic.

02:03:07.000 And we still can't just work up the...

02:03:11.000 We're good to go.

02:03:30.000 You can't get these opioids anymore, so now they have to go and try to get them from drug dealers.

02:03:34.000 You got people dying in the drug trade, the smuggling coming in from Mexico, and that all goes away if you just legalize it.

02:03:41.000 I'm not saying everything's perfect.

02:03:43.000 I'm not saying, and when I say all of it, I mean, I don't mean like that nobody will ever abuse drugs if they're legal. 0.99

02:03:48.000 I'm just saying that the smuggling is completely over, and then the overdose numbers will, like, Drastically be reduced because at least people will know what they're getting and know they're getting clean stuff and like know they're getting the right dosage and stuff like that it's just like it's insane like it's such an emergency right now in America like no one is really well and then you hear these people even Trump what a fucking idiot he is the other day where he goes oh what we need is the death penalty for drug dealers you're like that's it by the way uh president operation warp speed Is 0.99

02:04:19.000 concerned with drug dealers. 1.00

02:04:21.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:04:23.000 Yeah, that's the problem. 1.00

02:04:24.000 We haven't had harsh enough punishments for drugs.

02:04:26.000 That's the problem.

02:04:27.000 We haven't tried that yet. 1.00

02:04:28.000 You just shoot them all. 0.99

02:04:29.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:04:30.000 Well, it has to be regulated and it has to be legal.

02:04:35.000 Because if it's not, you're going to get unregulated illegal drugs and you're going to prop up criminal organizations that are extremely violent that could just walk across the border.

02:04:44.000 That's what's happening.

02:04:45.000 And all this talk about the border not being important, then why do we have it?

02:04:50.000 What are you saying?

02:04:52.000 Is this a real issue that thousands of people are coming across every day?

02:04:56.000 That seems like it's an issue.

02:04:58.000 Of course it is.

02:04:59.000 The thing that they did when they shipped them off to Martha's Vineyard...

02:05:02.000 Pretty funny.

02:05:02.000 Come on.

02:05:03.000 I mean, it's fucked up, but it's pretty funny. 1.00

02:05:04.000 It's fucked up and funny, and the response was fucked up and funny. 1.00

02:05:07.000 Yeah, it was... 1.00

02:05:09.000 Immediate.

02:05:09.000 They immediately took...

02:05:10.000 We don't have room for these people.

02:05:11.000 They just immediately...

02:05:12.000 50 people!

02:05:13.000 All of a sudden, they start sounding like everything that they called racist right away, you know?

02:05:18.000 Like, it's just kind of like, you know, like, well, this is a big issue, and it's a strain on our resources, and they have to go somewhere else, but we're still the good guys, and we love them, but we simply, at Martha's Vineyard, cannot accommodate 50 people.

02:05:31.000 Fifty.

02:05:31.000 Dude, there's two million coming in this year.

02:05:34.000 Migrants who just came across the border.

02:05:36.000 Two million.

02:05:38.000 Two million people have snuck across the border this year.

02:05:41.000 Is that the number?

02:05:42.000 Well, it's projected to be two million for the year.

02:05:45.000 Did you see that hilarious interview where Kamala Harris is- The border is secure?

02:05:49.000 Yeah.

02:05:50.000 You know what she's like at this point?

02:05:52.000 Do you know how there's those comics that are really good comics, but they have a girlfriend, and the girlfriend does comedy too, but she bombs every time.

02:06:01.000 And maybe takes her off the road for a little bit, tells her she's got to tighten it up, and then next thing you know, like, who's opening it for Jeff?

02:06:08.000 Oh, he brought his girlfriend again.

02:06:10.000 Like, oh no.

02:06:12.000 Oh, no.

02:06:13.000 He's gonna give it another chance.

02:06:14.000 Like, they trot her out every now and then.

02:06:16.000 They're like, give her one more chance. 0.79

02:06:17.000 Let her talk. 0.98

02:06:18.000 Let her talk. 0.98

02:06:18.000 And it's always chaos. 0.98

02:06:20.000 It's like now she's so trigger burnt.

02:06:22.000 Like, she's so, she's like, you could tell that she's, she's shell-shocked almost.

02:06:28.000 Yeah, it seems like she's gotten She's much worse.

02:06:29.000 Yes, she's much worse.

02:06:31.000 She's terrified.

02:06:31.000 Is this a caricature of what the worst thing to say would be?

02:06:35.000 She can't help it.

02:06:36.000 It's like she's freezing, right?

02:06:39.000 If you caught her in earlier campaign speeches and when she's comfortable and having conversations with people, she doesn't seem inarticulate.

02:06:48.000 She seems pretty smooth.

02:06:49.000 She was a lawyer, right?

02:06:50.000 Yes. 0.90

02:06:52.000 Obviously, she's not dumb. 1.00

02:06:53.000 She was a lawyer and then, yeah, right. 0.94

02:06:55.000 It's the world watching.

02:06:57.000 The world ends time, and we gotta take care of time, and it's most important when time passes.

02:07:04.000 And if we do it together, then we will move on as a community.

02:07:08.000 Together.

02:07:09.000 As one, in a sense of community.

02:07:12.000 Together.

02:07:13.000 And you're like, what is happening here?

02:07:17.000 It's like, what are these Democrats gonna do, man?

02:07:21.000 Like, can Joe Biden actually run for re-election?

02:07:24.000 And if he doesn't, can they actually put up her?

02:07:26.000 Like, you know there are, like, Democrat, like, big donors somewhere.

02:07:29.000 Like, they're like, okay, here's the end goal.

02:07:33.000 We get Biden and Kamala Harris out of the way.

02:07:35.000 Go back from there.

02:07:36.000 What does the day before that happens look like?

02:07:39.000 Because we got to get them out of the way and get somebody else in here.

02:07:42.000 Right.

02:07:43.000 Because, I mean, Biden, like...

02:07:44.000 But how do you do that?

02:07:44.000 How do you get them both out?

02:07:46.000 If I was Kamala Harris, I would be taking no small balloons.

02:07:49.000 Right.

02:07:49.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:07:50.000 Well, I don't think, it seems like Biden is not backing off of he wants to run.

02:07:55.000 To visit the DMZ after North Korea tests a missile.

02:07:59.000 What?

02:07:59.000 Oh, that's where they're sending her.

02:08:01.000 They just sent Nancy Pelosi up there, too. 0.99

02:08:04.000 You never know.

02:08:06.000 They might do it for us.

02:08:07.000 Well, the crazy thing was her going to, uh, when she went to Taiwan.

02:08:11.000 Yeah.

02:08:11.000 The Bag of Diamonds, they told her.

02:08:13.000 Do you see Joe Biden?

02:08:14.000 How insane this is?

02:08:15.000 This has happened, like, so many times, where he'll just say something, and he says literally the most insane thing in the world.

02:08:19.000 Like, he just came out and changed the One China policy.

02:08:22.000 Yeah.

02:08:22.000 Which is the most reckless thing.

02:08:24.000 It's right up there with the stuff that he's doing with Ukraine and Russia.

02:08:27.000 And you go, dude, you can't just say that the policy is to overthrow Vladimir Putin, dude.

02:08:32.000 That's like a huge thing to say!

02:08:33.000 And then they come out and they go, the White House issued a statement that their policy has not changed.

02:08:38.000 And you're like, who's the White House?

02:08:40.000 And what's this president?

02:08:42.000 Is it the chief of staff?

02:08:44.000 Is it the vice president?

02:08:45.000 Is it his wife?

02:08:46.000 Who's the White House?

02:08:47.000 He's the head of the White House.

02:08:49.000 So he comes out the other day and just says, and the whole point of the One China policy is basically, and this is actually one thing that was smart, strategic U.S. foreign policy, is that they basically went, okay, So we recognize China.

02:09:03.000 Okay, this is your area, China.

02:09:05.000 But, you know, we also like Taiwan.

02:09:08.000 And we'd also like to see a reunification and we kind of like it to all be peaceful.

02:09:12.000 And we're very ambiguous about where we stand.

02:09:15.000 Because the problem is, if you were to come out and say what Joe Biden just said the other day, he goes, oh, if China invaded Taiwan, we would send in the military.

02:09:26.000 Well, the problem with that is, like, that might be the encouragement Taiwan needs to go, okay, then we declare independence.

02:09:33.000 And if they declare independence, China will invade Taiwan. 0.94

02:09:37.000 And then, holy shit, and by the way, all of our, like, Navy, like, war games say that we lose that war. 0.98

02:09:44.000 Look at this. 0.98

02:09:44.000 China sparks new Taiwan invasion fears with threat to crush anyone who tries to stop its reunification with the self-governing island after Biden kowtowed to Beijing at UN. That's why having a guy like him in office is fucking dangerous. 0.98

02:10:03.000 And this is what they said about Trump. 1.00

02:10:05.000 But that's legitimately dangerous, man. 0.99

02:10:08.000 I got a lot of shit about this when I had Eric Weinstein on. 0.99

02:10:13.000 I was like, I can't vote for Biden. 0.99

02:10:15.000 I'd vote for Trump before I'd vote for Biden.

02:10:17.000 And the reason being, you knew this.

02:10:19.000 You knew he was deteriorating.

02:10:21.000 Forget about his policies when he was lucid.

02:10:25.000 Forget about...

02:10:27.000 He was lucid during the Obama administration.

02:10:31.000 You barely heard from him.

02:10:32.000 Yeah, he was much, much better.

02:10:34.000 Much better.

02:10:34.000 If you listen to a speech he gave in 2012 or 2013, he has lost several steps.

02:10:40.000 See, regardless of what you think about his policies, as a human that's in a position of extreme stress and power, that is nuts.

02:10:49.000 That's nuts. 0.89

02:10:50.000 That's nuts.

02:10:51.000 It's really unbelievable.

02:10:53.000 That's insane!

02:10:54.000 He's so far gone.

02:10:56.000 And I mean, look, this was the knock on Donald Trump is like, well, he'll say reckless things.

02:11:00.000 But I mean, what is more reckless than just like, and the crazy thing about it, you know, even Henry Kissinger like came out recently and was talking about how insane this whole Ukraine policy is.

02:11:12.000 Because he's like, well, what do you do?

02:11:13.000 Is the plan here that we're going to provoke Russia and China?

02:11:18.000 We're going to provoke nuclear conflict with the two countries who you just don't want to have a nuclear conflict with.

02:11:23.000 And whatever anyone says, and I know there's some of the populist right-winger types who are real China hawks and are really concerned about China, but the truth is that neither one of these countries pose a military threat to America.

02:11:40.000 There's just no way.

02:11:42.000 There's no way that they pose a military threat to us.

02:11:44.000 Does China pose a military threat to Taiwan?

02:11:47.000 Perhaps you could argue that.

02:11:49.000 Although the peace has been kept for many decades now.

02:11:51.000 But you can argue they pose a threat to them.

02:11:53.000 But they don't pose a threat to us.

02:11:55.000 And the idea that we're trying to find...

02:11:58.000 It's just so bananas that you go, okay, so we have 20 years of the war on terrorism.

02:12:04.000 Which is basically, at this point, almost nobody even argues that it was anything short of a disaster.

02:12:11.000 I mean, I saw Bill Kristol debate Scott Horton, who's incredible.

02:12:17.000 Everyone should check him out.

02:12:18.000 Scott Horton at Antiwar.com.

02:12:20.000 And he debated him in New York City.

02:12:22.000 And one of the people in the crowd asked a question, Bill Kristol, you know, neocon number one guy.

02:12:27.000 And he goes, what was the last U.S. intervention that was successful?

02:12:33.000 And I think he said, I can't remember if he said, he ever said Kosovo or something like that?

02:12:40.000 Maybe Bosnia? 0.96

02:12:40.000 I can't remember which one he said. 0.96

02:12:41.000 But even he didn't try to defend any of the interventions of the 21st century.

02:12:46.000 He didn't even try to say, he couldn't, he couldn't even look this kid who asked him the question, look him in the eye and go, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya.

02:12:55.000 Syria, Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan.

02:12:57.000 Like, no.

02:12:58.000 He couldn't.

02:12:59.000 He couldn't even tell them.

02:13:00.000 So we have 20 years of just disastrous wars.

02:13:03.000 At least a couple million, you know, innocent people dead.

02:13:06.000 Not to mention, I don't know, what, 50,000 of our soldiers who have blown their brains out after they came back from these wars.

02:13:12.000 A few thousand who died in the battles.

02:13:14.000 You know?

02:13:15.000 And trillions of dollars wasted.

02:13:16.000 Nothing to show for it.

02:13:17.000 And finally, we end the longest one, the war in Afghanistan.

02:13:21.000 You know?

02:13:21.000 And we're finally kind of moving toward, like...

02:13:24.000 Okay, we kind of recognize this is wrong.

02:13:26.000 So let's start provoking a war with Russia. 0.89

02:13:28.000 And how about China too?

02:13:30.000 It's like what you were talking about at the end of the collapse of the Soviet Union.

02:13:33.000 And then you're like, oh good, we don't have to be at war no more.

02:13:36.000 And you're like, Saddam Hussein, we got to go fight this guy now. 0.92

02:13:39.000 We're just always trying to find the next war. 0.99

02:13:41.000 And I'd say this is potentially even stupider than that. 0.98

02:13:44.000 Because the Biden guys, they're talking about Putin like he's Saddam Hussein. 0.98

02:13:48.000 Like he's Muammar Gaddafi. 0.99

02:13:49.000 Like we could just tell him what to do and he has to fucking do it. 0.98

02:13:52.000 But he doesn't because he's sitting on the biggest nuclear arsenal in the history of the world, second only to ours. 0.98

02:13:58.000 I think his is first.

02:13:59.000 Actually might be first.

02:14:00.000 Yes, actually might be first.

02:14:01.000 Yeah, I thought ours was the biggest.

02:14:02.000 Yes, yeah, I think you're right about that.

02:14:04.000 But it's like, it's kind of a moot point because...

02:14:06.000 We can all destroy the world many times over.

02:14:08.000 Many times over.

02:14:09.000 Yes.

02:14:09.000 And then there's the threat of hypersonic weapons.

02:14:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:14:12.000 That apparently he has.

02:14:13.000 That's what he says.

02:14:15.000 But didn't he engage one in Syria?

02:14:17.000 Didn't they try one?

02:14:18.000 Yeah, I read that.

02:14:19.000 Not in Syria. 0.87

02:14:21.000 No, it was in Ukraine.

02:14:23.000 It was recently.

02:14:24.000 I don't know about this.

02:14:25.000 I read about this, but I haven't verified if that was confirmed, that it's actually true.

02:14:29.000 But I know that basically this was his big thing in response to George W. Bush putting the dual rocket launchers in Poland.

02:14:38.000 Is that he was like, well now our entire effort is to improve our military capability.

02:14:42.000 Because you can hit us quicker, so now we have to be able to hit you quicker.

02:14:46.000 And it's just been like this brinksmanship for so long. 1.00

02:14:48.000 It's just so stupid. 1.00

02:14:50.000 We have these really narrow narratives that we're fed in this country. 0.99

02:14:55.000 And this is one of the things that I love most about this conversation is because all these things that you've laid out and all of these things that most people are not aware of about the history of this conflict, like now people get an understanding of how this is a pattern that just is going,

02:15:12.000 this is what Eisenhower warned of.

02:15:14.000 This is a pattern that exists and is going to exist in this current form if we keep supporting it.

02:15:20.000 Yeah.

02:15:20.000 No, that's it.

02:15:21.000 And it's not that there's...

02:15:25.000 I get people who try to counter with the simple opposite narrative.

02:15:29.000 It's like, well, you're supporting this, or we have to support the freedom of these people and stuff.

02:15:34.000 But I really think what has to break in America is this empire mentality.

02:15:40.000 This mentality that even if something bad is happening around the world, well then we must go and stop it.

02:15:46.000 And you're like, you know, I heard people talking about this with the protests going on in Iran right now.

02:15:52.000 We have to support these people who want freedom.

02:15:54.000 And you're like, dude, this country was just locked down.

02:15:57.000 For, like, a year and a half.

02:16:00.000 We were in lockdowns.

02:16:01.000 Maybe we're not in the position to start exporting freedom around the world.

02:16:05.000 Why don't we, like, start at home?

02:16:07.000 Let's try to make this a free country.

02:16:09.000 Let's work toward that.

02:16:10.000 And, you know, paradoxically, every time we go to expand freedom around the world, we get less and less freedom here.

02:16:17.000 And then we don't end up giving any freedom there.

02:16:19.000 You know, it's like, we gotta go bring freedom.

02:16:21.000 Have we ever brought freedom anywhere where it's, like, super successful?

02:16:23.000 I mean, you could argue that, like, in post-World War II, Japan and Germany.

02:16:28.000 But, by the way, that also came with the price tag of slaughtering their civilian population. 0.86

02:16:34.000 You know?

02:16:35.000 Like, it's not as if that just went easy.

02:16:37.000 But, you know, then if you look at the war on terrorism, I mean, we went to spread freedom to the Middle East, but that comes with the price tag of the Patriot Act and the Department of Homeland Security and, you know, all of this stuff.

02:16:46.000 And then, by the way, we didn't bring any freedom there either.

02:16:48.000 So, whoopsie.

02:16:49.000 That what we were saying earlier about the way the internet has kind of changed the way people view governments and people view information and people have access.

02:16:59.000 We're more informed, maybe more confused in a lot of ways than ever before.

02:17:04.000 But I think mind reading is the next one.

02:17:06.000 Maybe. 1.00

02:17:07.000 I think when that happens, we're fucked. 0.99

02:17:09.000 We're fucked for a while because there's gonna be mad chaos where people try to make sense of people's real thoughts and real intentions and the real mechanisms behind everything that runs the world. 0.99

02:17:21.000 All of our money, our government, the mindsets of people that are just trying to acquire money and how insane that is. 0.99

02:17:27.000 How insane is that just the pursuit of only numbers, that's it.

02:17:32.000 The constant pursuit of numbers and objects.

02:17:34.000 Well, there's also like, it's, it's, there's this thing where there's like the pursuit of money is almost like I break it up into like two categories where there's like, there's a lot of people pursuing money, but a lot of people are pursuing money like private citizens, you know, like in the marketplace are like, even if they're really trying to pursue money,

02:17:50.000 basically, the only way they can get it is like by offering a product.

02:17:53.000 To people.

02:17:54.000 And see if they want it.

02:17:55.000 It's like, if you want this, if you're willing to buy this, then I can make money off of that.

02:17:59.000 But you only buy it if you think, like, well, I would like to have that.

02:18:03.000 I value that.

02:18:03.000 And then there are these people who are connected to the government who are basically in rigged games, where they've stacked the deck against regular people, where you essentially have to give them money.

02:18:13.000 You don't have a choice.

02:18:14.000 And those people are just like, that's a win-lose relationship.

02:18:18.000 Not like a win-win relationship.

02:18:20.000 You know what I mean?

02:18:21.000 Yeah.

02:18:22.000 I really think the only hope, like I've said this to you before, but I think the only hope for America is some form of liberty, some form of libertarianism.

02:18:30.000 Like we've just gone way too much in the other direction of like the government having way too much power and running everybody's lives.

02:18:36.000 And the only way to like to like save this thing, to cool off the culture war, to stop drowning the next generation in debt and destroying our currency and all of this stuff.

02:18:46.000 There's got to be some form of decentralization, limiting of the power of government, rolling back some of these institutions, and the only way to do that is to get enough people to demand it, and then enough powerful people to support that.

02:19:01.000 Get enough powerful people on board with this, and enough popular support to just be like, okay, there's real will.

02:19:09.000 The problem is, once the game is rigged, it's hard to get people to go back to normal.

02:19:14.000 It is.

02:19:15.000 They've had a rigged game for a long time to open it up to an ethical, logical, reasonable playing field at this point in the game where it's like really locked down.

02:19:26.000 Well, you mean like so from the- The numbers they can extract.

02:19:28.000 So you're saying like for those special interests who have this game rigged.

02:19:31.000 Yes!

02:19:31.000 Right.

02:19:32.000 So I think what it's almost got to be is some combination of where there's enough of the people who are so angry and are just demanding their freedom and that this rigged game be rolled back.

02:19:42.000 And then it's almost kind of like they're like, look, you got away with this for a long time, but you're going to meet a very bad fate if you continue on this path.

02:19:51.000 Dreats! 1.00

02:19:52.000 Well, I don't want there to be violence.

02:19:54.000 You'd much rather be like, hey, look, take this deal.

02:19:59.000 Cut your losses now.

02:20:00.000 Like, you did this.

02:20:01.000 You got away with it for a long time.

02:20:02.000 Go away.

02:20:02.000 Stop doing it.

02:20:03.000 Because look how angry you're going to make these people if you continue ripping them off.

02:20:07.000 But you always want a peaceful solution to all of this stuff.

02:20:11.000 But there's got to be...

02:20:13.000 You know, like, look, I'll say the thing that to me is like the silver lining, the note of optimism, is that there really is something important about people waking up.

02:20:21.000 There's a reason why they work so hard to propagandize people.

02:20:24.000 There's a reason why they flipped out on you so much for having just like Dr. Malone and people like that on your show.

02:20:29.000 They're really concerned about that.

02:20:31.000 They're really concerned that you might talk to people and that they might hear from this expert and they might believe him.

02:20:36.000 It's like, why are they so concerned about that?

02:20:39.000 Because if they knew that, they may not support these policies.

02:20:41.000 And if they don't support these policies, they may not be able to get away with them.

02:20:44.000 That's ultimately why the COVID passports failed, just because enough people were outraged about it.

02:20:49.000 They didn't even give this a lot of coverage.

02:20:51.000 There were huge protests in New York City over this stuff.

02:20:53.000 And then it was just like people weren't doing it, they weren't following the rules and stuff, and eventually they just walked it back.

02:21:03.000 I think there's at least a hope for the country now that it's like people don't trust these institutions that they shouldn't trust because they're just lying to them.

02:21:10.000 And there's platforms like yours, you know what I mean, that are bigger than any of those platforms where people can hear the truth.

02:21:16.000 So I'm optimistic at least for that as long as we stop provoking Putin and we don't fight a nuclear war.

02:21:21.000 Yeah, all of the above.

02:21:23.000 The problem is that people who talk like you don't become governors.

02:21:30.000 They don't become senators.

02:21:32.000 Maybe senators. 0.99

02:21:33.000 Maybe.

02:21:33.000 But they generally know and don't become president.

02:21:38.000 Yeah.

02:21:39.000 You know, you have to play the game.

02:21:40.000 And what do you think it's like if you get into office? 1.00

02:21:42.000 What kind of fucking horrible shit are they going to write about you? 1.00

02:21:45.000 I don't know. 1.00

02:21:46.000 There's too many people in the Libertarian Party who want me to try to find out.

02:21:49.000 Don't do it.

02:21:50.000 Don't do it, Dave Smith.

02:21:52.000 I say that as your friend. 1.00

02:21:53.000 But if I wasn't your friend, I'd be like, fuck yeah, that guy should do it. 0.99

02:21:55.000 Well, what if I just run, but I don't win? 0.99

02:21:59.000 That's not good enough.

02:22:00.000 That's not good enough.

02:22:01.000 No, but see, it could help in the effort to wake a whole lot of people up.

02:22:04.000 Maybe.

02:22:05.000 Maybe it'll confirm people's suspicions that no matter how good a candidate is, if they're not one of the two candidates, one of the two parties, they're not going to support them because it's a wasted vote.

02:22:14.000 Yeah, but even that would be an interesting thing to let people know.

02:22:18.000 You know what I mean?

02:22:19.000 It'd still be an interesting thing to at least point out to people.

02:22:21.000 It's like, yeah, but that's the essence of the problem.

02:22:23.000 And then the crackpots would say that you're taking away votes that could have gone to my party, whatever it is, right or left. 1.00

02:22:31.000 And you're the reason why we lost, you piece of shit, you fucking coward, you unpatriotic traitor, you treasonous, this, that, or the other thing. 1.00

02:22:40.000 Yeah, you do get that, but I also just kind of think, and this is why I'm a member of the Libertarian Party, and this is why I joined, and I'm excited about it, because my camp kind of just took over the whole party. 1.00

02:22:51.000 There was a little civil war in the Libertarian Party between the Gary Johnson people and the Ron Paul people.

02:22:58.000 I'm like the Ron Paul people's guy, and we won.

02:23:02.000 We took over every position in the party now.

02:23:05.000 But my thing about why a third party is just that...

02:23:09.000 At a certain point, you're like, look, there's an argument to this, like, okay, if there's a lesser of two evil, well, then the third party might help the more evil of two evil get in or something like that.

02:23:18.000 But at a certain point, you're just like, this is the United States of America still, kind of, or at least it's supposed to be.

02:23:25.000 And both of these two major political parties have just committed treason against the American people.

02:23:30.000 Like, absolute treason.

02:23:32.000 Just raped this country and destroyed everything it was supposed to be about.

02:23:35.000 And we're better than that.

02:23:37.000 And we should, at a certain point, just go, no, you know what?

02:23:40.000 We won't support either of you guys anymore. 1.00

02:23:42.000 Because, like, fuck you guys. 1.00

02:23:43.000 You don't deserve our support. 1.00

02:23:45.000 Somebody else should get it.

02:23:46.000 And then, hey, there's this party over here that just stands for what?

02:23:49.000 Liberty.

02:23:50.000 Like, how about the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights?

02:23:53.000 That's a good place to start.

02:23:54.000 That's what we were supposed to be about anyway.

02:23:56.000 So let's just go with those guys.

02:23:57.000 How about this?

02:23:58.000 How about we just take that clip and we put it out there and that's the announcement that you're running.

02:24:04.000 That's all you do.

02:24:05.000 No, I can't make the announcement that I'm running.

02:24:07.000 No, no, no.

02:24:07.000 That's all you do.

02:24:08.000 Just put that out.

02:24:09.000 That's it.

02:24:09.000 No campaigning.

02:24:10.000 Nothing else.

02:24:11.000 Nothing else.

02:24:12.000 Okay, but then I also have to tell people, go to lp.org slash join, because you've got to join the party, because that would actually send a lot of messages.

02:24:20.000 And don't watch Legion of Skanks, because that alone would be a... 0.97

02:24:24.000 Now, let me tell you something, okay?

02:24:26.000 Now, let me just...

02:24:27.000 I just want to mention something.

02:24:28.000 The corporate press probably is going to bring up Legion of Skanks. 1.00

02:24:31.000 Now, when you hear of Legion of Skanks, I just want you to know, they can do anything with video these days.

02:24:36.000 They can make it sound like you're saying anything.

02:24:38.000 I don't know who that guy is.

02:24:40.000 I've never met Jay Oakerson or Luis J. Gomez in my life.

02:24:44.000 I don't know these people.

02:24:45.000 They don't seem like good people.

02:24:47.000 I'll tell you that.

02:24:48.000 They're funny.

02:24:49.000 They're pretty funny.

02:24:50.000 They say some funny stuff.

02:24:52.000 That's the problem is that you and I are both connected to the world of stand-up comedy.

02:24:56.000 We're both comics.

02:24:57.000 I don't know, man.

02:24:58.000 No, no, no.

02:24:58.000 I don't think it's a problem.

02:25:01.000 I'm saying that's the problem with having great ideas like you do. 0.98

02:25:07.000 You're also connected to blowjob jokes. 0.99

02:25:10.000 Those are the clean ones. 1.00

02:25:12.000 Ari taking a shit in Tupperware and bringing it onto the stage. 1.00

02:25:16.000 We were not on board with that joke, for the record. 0.99

02:25:18.000 None of us approved of that at all. 0.97

02:25:21.000 Goddammit, what's wrong with that guy? 0.76

02:25:22.000 He's the best.

02:25:23.000 He really is.

02:25:24.000 He's the best.

02:25:25.000 Best and the worst.

02:25:25.000 He's the worst, too.

02:25:27.000 But he's the best.

02:25:28.000 But yeah, it's like you could just take that clip of you explaining what it means to be a libertarian and what you stand for and just put it out there.

02:25:36.000 It goes viral.

02:25:37.000 No more campaigning.

02:25:38.000 Yeah.

02:25:39.000 Well, that's kind of the plan.

02:25:40.000 Okay.

02:25:41.000 That's what it is.

02:25:42.000 So you run for 2024?

02:25:43.000 Do you wait for nuclear war and you could be our Mad Max?

02:25:47.000 And then it was like the rebuilding process?

02:25:49.000 You could be a part of the rebuilding process.

02:25:50.000 I really got to get on building a bunker or something if I'm going to make it past the...

02:25:53.000 You got to get out of here, son.

02:25:54.000 Get out of here.

02:25:54.000 Plenty of deer.

02:25:55.000 Lots of land.

02:25:56.000 That's true. 1.00

02:25:57.000 This is where you want to be when shit goes down. 1.00

02:25:59.000 Lots of bullets. 1.00

02:26:00.000 Yeah, but I really think you're going to need...

02:26:02.000 If it's nuclear war, you're going to need more than just land and deer.

02:26:05.000 You're going to need some type of bunker.

02:26:06.000 You're probably not gonna live if you need that.

02:26:09.000 You have to think about like what kind of nuclear war are we talking about?

02:26:13.000 Are we talking about just like Los Angeles and New York get evaporated?

02:26:17.000 Or are we talking about every major city in the country?

02:26:19.000 If it's every major city in the country then it's over.

02:26:22.000 And then anyone who lives The lawlessness that you see in horrible YouTube videos and on TikTok or whatever, that will pale in comparison to living in a post-apocalyptic world with no power. 0.88

02:26:38.000 If there's no power, shit will get so primal, so quick, and you will also realize how few bullets there really are. 0.96

02:26:47.000 Not enough. 0.99

02:26:48.000 There's not enough bullets.

02:26:49.000 You need to understand, like, if you're, like, hunting every day and trying to find food and you're protecting yourself from gangs of outlaws that are trying to steal your livestock and your family members, like, this is the kind of world we're talking about.

02:27:02.000 We're talking about, like, Walking Dead. 0.99

02:27:05.000 Like, real Walking Dead shit where people behave like monsters. 0.98

02:27:09.000 It's interesting how fragile civilization is and how easy it is for us to just be so removed from that. 0.99

02:27:16.000 You know what I mean?

02:27:17.000 And by the way, I don't think we're going to go to nuclear war.

02:27:20.000 I don't mean to be alarmist on that, but I'm just saying it's so dangerous to play this game.

02:27:24.000 And if we had sensible adults in charge of anything, everyone would be together.

02:27:33.000 The obvious number one priority here is like everybody get in the room and make sure we don't go to this.

02:27:38.000 You know what I mean?

02:27:39.000 So freaking China the other day at the UN. This is how pathetic it is that we let China, who's this like one party fascist dictatorship, you know, like kind of right wing communists. 0.99

02:27:51.000 Now they're like communists but who believe in business or something like that. 0.96

02:27:55.000 We let them at the UN. Biden's up there and he's like, Putin must surrender and everybody should be on the side of Ukraine against Putin, blah, blah, blah.

02:28:03.000 And then China, they get up there and they go, we call on all parties to de-escalate. 1.00

02:28:09.000 And you're like, did you just let them be the adults in the room?

02:28:12.000 Did we literally just let this one party authoritarian dictatorship come up there and sound like the reasonable ones?

02:28:19.000 We ceded that ground to them?

02:28:21.000 That we can't even just say, like, no, actually, everybody should be trying to take the temperature down here.

02:28:27.000 You know, another thing that Roger Waters said that stumped that CNN guy, he said, China doesn't invade anybody.

02:28:34.000 Like, China hasn't invaded anybody in a hundred years.

02:28:37.000 Well, this is...

02:28:38.000 What was the last time China invaded another country?

02:28:41.000 No, China doesn't...

02:28:42.000 They've never been an expansionist, at least for a hundred years.

02:28:44.000 They haven't been.

02:28:45.000 And, you know, the funny thing is, like, how China is gaining...

02:28:48.000 Look, there's no question, right, over the last 20 years, let's say...

02:28:52.000 American influence in the world has gone down and China's has gone up.

02:28:55.000 But the way China's been doing it is by doing business with the world while we're fighting wars with the world. 0.55

02:29:00.000 So what's the lesson there? 1.00

02:29:02.000 It's like stop fighting stupid wars. 1.00

02:29:04.000 Do business with people. 1.00

02:29:06.000 Trade with people.

02:29:07.000 Have good relations.

02:29:08.000 Well, they're not just doing business, Illinois.

02:29:08.000 Yeah, they're doing some shady business, for sure.

02:29:11.000 They're doing some shit that we were criticized for doing, right? 0.96

02:29:13.000 Like offering loans, going into places, making sure that they can't pay the loans, taking over territory, controlling resources. 0.98

02:29:22.000 That's for sure.

02:29:23.000 But certainly, I don't think there's any...

02:29:26.000 It's smarter than going in and just spending a trillion dollars to kill a few hundred thousand people for no reason.

02:29:31.000 It's like, why is one morally and ethically superior and why is that one war?

02:29:35.000 I mean, think about the two different business models that you're talking about, that ours is morally and ethically superior because we have free speech.

02:29:43.000 Is that what it is?

02:29:44.000 Because we have abortion? 1.00

02:29:44.000 Because we have all these things that we want over here, so we're okay with doing what we do in other countries? 1.00

02:29:50.000 That's where it gets squirrely because, like, if you say what China's doing is scary and dangerous and awful, like, yeah, yeah, so is what we do, right? 1.00

02:29:58.000 Well, right.

02:29:59.000 It kind of all depends on what side of it you're looking at it from.

02:30:01.000 Like, if you're, like, an Iraqi citizen, then, yeah, what we did is pretty scary and awful and horrible. 1.00

02:30:07.000 And, you know, it's also just—it's been so damaging that— It's like George W. Bush and Barack Obama, too.

02:30:17.000 They fought the war on terrorism under the banner of, like, this is freedom and democracy.

02:30:24.000 And then it's kind of like, oh, why aren't other people getting on board with freedom and democracy?

02:30:30.000 It's like, I don't know, because this is how you defined it?

02:30:33.000 As dropping Hellfire missiles on weddings?

02:30:35.000 Like, if that's freedom and democracy, who wants that?

02:30:38.000 And so the damage is like, you know, like all these other things.

02:30:42.000 It's kind of immeasurable.

02:30:43.000 Imagine if that was going on in this country.

02:30:45.000 Imagine if there was drones that were targeting people that, you know, the Iraqis wanted dead, or the Iranians wanted dead, and they were killing 90% civilians.

02:30:57.000 90% Regular people that were just going about their day, but unfortunately were grouped up with a person who had metadata on them.

02:31:08.000 Yeah.

02:31:08.000 And that's, by the way, even that 90% number is like, that was just who wasn't the person on the target list.

02:31:14.000 Yeah.

02:31:15.000 But even of the people on the target list, they get that wrong sometimes and just had the wrong person on the target list.

02:31:20.000 Oh, yeah, all the time.

02:31:20.000 So the actual number of people who weren't actual terrorists is even higher than that.

02:31:25.000 And like, yeah, imagine, I mean, imagine like, There was just, right, like a campaign in, you know, Chicago to do that.

02:31:33.000 Right.

02:31:34.000 We're just blowing up buildings, you know, because, well, we suspect someone that's a suspected bad guy is in that building, so we blew it up.

02:31:40.000 Turns out it was just kids.

02:31:41.000 It was just a daycare.

02:31:42.000 They have metadata.

02:31:44.000 And the people who did that, and then they don't even, like, lose their jobs.

02:31:47.000 No.

02:31:48.000 Or the people who supported that don't even lose their job.

02:31:50.000 They just go like, yeah, I now agree it was a mistake.

02:31:53.000 Anyway, here's why we got to do this.

02:31:54.000 Do they even agree that it was a mistake?

02:31:55.000 Most of them at least acknowledge that Iraq was a mistake. 0.80

02:31:58.000 Right, but they're not saying that the drone attacks are a mistake.

02:32:00.000 No, that's true.

02:32:02.000 That's fair.

02:32:02.000 I mean, they make mistakes, but the drone program.

02:32:05.000 Yeah.

02:32:06.000 And it's still going on.

02:32:07.000 I mean, Biden's dropped a bunch of drone bombs.

02:32:09.000 I mean, Trump did a ton of them, too.

02:32:11.000 They're kind of known.

02:32:12.000 But are they doing it?

02:32:13.000 Or is it happening with their authorization?

02:32:15.000 Is it happening whether or not they know about it?

02:32:18.000 Like, how much involvement does Biden have in day-to-day drone operations?

02:32:23.000 How much involvement does Biden have in anything that's happening in the material world?

02:32:27.000 But you're saying Biden did it, right?

02:32:28.000 Yes, I said under the Biden administration.

02:32:30.000 So technically under his authority, and at least by what the rule of law says, he could stop it.

02:32:36.000 Right, but in your opinion, how much influence does he have on that?

02:32:40.000 My guess is he is...

02:32:42.000 There's just other people in charge of it.

02:32:44.000 Do you think they even assess him?

02:32:45.000 I think...

02:32:48.000 Quite possibly, it's possible they do, because Biden is somebody who would probably approve of these things, even if they did run it by him.

02:32:56.000 But I know with Donald Trump, they bragged in certain areas where they lied to him about the number of troops that were in different regions.

02:33:05.000 They lied to him?

02:33:06.000 Yeah, they lied to him about the number of troops that were in Syria, and they bragged about it.

02:33:10.000 There's articles on this.

02:33:11.000 Who's that?

02:33:12.000 They misled him.

02:33:13.000 It was somebody at the Defense Department.

02:33:15.000 I don't know.

02:33:16.000 Jamie, you could pull that up.

02:33:17.000 Or someone at the Pentagon.

02:33:18.000 But they were basically like, they misled him about the number of troops that were actually there.

02:33:22.000 Because he was saying he wanted to pull all of them out.

02:33:25.000 And the fact that there's even articles written about this, and you're like, wait a minute, but that's the commander-in-chief.

02:33:30.000 However you feel about him, that was supposed to be the commander-in-chief.

02:33:34.000 Outgoing Syria envoy admits hiding U.S. troop numbers praises Trump's Mideast record.

02:33:39.000 We were always playing shell games, says AMB, is that?

02:33:44.000 Ambassador.

02:33:45.000 Ambassador.

02:33:46.000 Jim Jeffrey, who also gives advice to President-elect Biden.

02:33:49.000 So he still gives advice to Biden while he admits to playing shell games with information.

02:33:55.000 We were always playing shell games to not make clear to our leadership how many troops we had here.

02:34:02.000 There, Jeffrey said in an interview.

02:34:04.000 The actual number of troops in Northeast Syria is a lot more than the roughly 200 troops Trump initially agreed to leave there in 2019. Trump's abruptly announced withdrawal U.S. troops from Syria remains perhaps the single most controversial foreign policy move during his first years in office.

02:34:23.000 And for Jeffrey, the most controversial thing in my 50 years in government The order, first handed down in December of 2018, led to the resignation of former Defense Secretary Jim Mattis.

02:34:35.000 It catapulted Jeffrey, then Trump's special envoy for Syria, into the role of special envoy in the counter-ISIS fight when it sparked the protest resignation of his predecessor, Brett McGurk.

02:34:51.000 Okay.

02:34:52.000 So basically what they're saying is that...

02:34:55.000 This one guy stepped down because he was upset at Trump, and the next guy just lied.

02:35:00.000 So Mad Dog Mattis, who was Trump's first defense secretary, which is so bizarre.

02:35:06.000 It's such a Donald Trump thing, too, is that Donald Trump was running on ending the war in Syria.

02:35:11.000 He ran on that in 2016. And then he picks this guy, Mattis, as his defense secretary.

02:35:17.000 And then when he tries to end the war in Syria, Mattis resigns over it.

02:35:21.000 He's like, I will not do this.

02:35:22.000 I'll resign before I carry out these orders.

02:35:24.000 And you're like, Did you guys never have a conversation about this?

02:35:27.000 Like, when you were running on ending this war, and then you picked a guy to be your defense secretary, did you never, like, talk to him about, like, hey, by the way, I mean it?

02:35:35.000 Like, I actually want to end this war?

02:35:37.000 So he resigns.

02:35:38.000 Trump's, like, whatever.

02:35:40.000 I'm still pulling out of the war.

02:35:41.000 And then the next guy who comes in and moves up the ranks just starts lying to him about how many troops there are there.

02:35:46.000 And by the way, the story at the end of this is that Trump just backs down and just doesn't end the war, which is basically what Trump did on everything.

02:35:53.000 Mattis is a scary dude.

02:35:55.000 I think that's why Trump picked him.

02:35:57.000 You ever hear Mattis talk about whether or not he sleeps well at night?

02:36:00.000 No, I don't think I've heard that clip.

02:36:02.000 Find that clip.

02:36:03.000 I don't even want to butcher it.

02:36:05.000 Someone questions Mattis whether or not he sleeps well at night knowing that the enemy's out there.

02:36:12.000 This is the type of guy you want to be a general.

02:36:17.000 Well, I think this is probably the type of reason why Trump picked him.

02:36:20.000 Yeah.

02:36:20.000 This guy's badass.

02:36:21.000 Listen to this shit. 1.00

02:36:23.000 Hold on a second. 1.00

02:36:28.000 Keeps you awake at night.

02:36:30.000 Nothing.

02:36:30.000 I keep other people awake at night.

02:36:32.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:36:33.000 Keeps you awake at night.

02:36:34.000 I do remember that.

02:36:34.000 Nothing.

02:36:35.000 I keep other people awake at night.

02:36:39.000 Yeah.

02:36:40.000 An instant, instant answer.

02:36:42.000 Yeah.

02:36:43.000 But look, I mean, I think you want, but you want badass guys like that, but who are also, like, wise enough to recognize, like, what's strategically in America's interest and what's there.

02:36:52.000 And, you know, Donald Trump did get the guy and the guy.

02:36:56.000 Is Colonel Douglas McGregor who's like – he's like one of those real badass dudes but who is wise enough to completely like turn against American foreign policy in the Middle East early on.

02:37:09.000 I think he got out in like 2005 or 2006 or something like that and he was like – and he's basically just been speaking out against it sooner.

02:37:15.000 He was like, this is not in our national interest to be doing this and we're doing nothing but bankrupting our country and putting ourselves in a more dangerous situation and all of this stuff.

02:37:23.000 And Trump hired him and he made him the top advisor at the Defense Department after he lost the election to Joe Biden.

02:37:30.000 So he had him there in the lame duck period after Biden was there.

02:37:34.000 And they tried to work out a deal.

02:37:37.000 In fact, I think Trump signed off on the order to immediately withdraw from Syria and Afghanistan and I think one other theater.

02:37:45.000 And then a couple days later, Trump rescinded the order.

02:37:49.000 Someone else got to him and convinced him not to.

02:37:51.000 What kind of conversations are those like?

02:37:54.000 Imagine the first day in office conversation.

02:37:58.000 You know that Bill Hicks joke?

02:38:00.000 Oh yeah, great joke.

02:38:01.000 Great joke.

02:38:01.000 But other than that, imagine other than showing you an angle of the JFK assassination you've never seen before.

02:38:08.000 Yeah, right.

02:38:09.000 Which maybe that's it.

02:38:10.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:38:10.000 But what the fuck do you think they tell you? 0.99

02:38:13.000 Because you don't know jack shit while you're running, right? 0.99

02:38:15.000 I mean, they don't assess you of nothing. 0.99

02:38:17.000 I guarantee.

02:38:18.000 Because you could lose, and then you'd have all this information.

02:38:21.000 Well, supposedly you're getting some of these intelligence briefs after you're president-elect.

02:38:28.000 But not before.

02:38:29.000 But I think it also doesn't even have to be as...

02:38:34.000 Dramatic is the other angle of JFK getting shot. 0.92

02:38:37.000 I mean, what Donald Trump ran on in 2016, and just for the record, I don't really never know with Donald Trump how committed to any of this shit he was, because the only thing that I've ever seen Donald Trump truly be committed to is his own greatness and his own... 0.98

02:38:52.000 Winner. 1.00

02:38:52.000 Yeah, his own, I'm the winner, you're the loser. 1.00

02:38:54.000 Winner.

02:38:55.000 That's what he seems to really be motivated by.

02:38:58.000 But he said in the 2016 campaign, he goes, wouldn't it make sense if we were just friendly with Russia and we worked together since they were fighting ISIS in Syria?

02:39:09.000 He goes, we also want to fight ISIS. Let's work together, fight ISIS, and then leave the Middle East and not worry about regime change wars in the Middle East and we could be friendly with Russia.

02:39:18.000 We could make a deal with them and get along with them.

02:39:20.000 There's no reason why we shouldn't.

02:39:21.000 And that's what he kind of ran on.

02:39:23.000 And then, you know, just all day long, everyone in the media, in the entire corporate press, all they were saying is, Trump-Russia collusion.

02:39:30.000 Trump's in a conspiracy with Russia.

02:39:32.000 So now it's like, go try to make a deal with Russia. 0.59

02:39:35.000 How can you?

02:39:36.000 How could you make a deal with Russia when all day long everyone's saying you're involved in a conspiracy with Russia?

02:39:41.000 And then you come out and go, I just made a deal with the Russians. 0.99

02:39:44.000 They'd be like, proof!

02:39:45.000 Proof!

02:39:46.000 There's a conspiracy with Russia.

02:39:47.000 So they deliberately boxed him in To be like, so now he had to prove how much he wasn't in bed with Russia. 0.66

02:39:54.000 You know what I mean?

02:39:55.000 And he did this in a bunch of things.

02:39:56.000 Like, he tore up the INF Treaty, the, like, Intermediate Missile Treaty.

02:40:01.000 Here's how much I'm not in bed with Russia. 0.98

02:40:03.000 I'll tear up a nuclear treaty.

02:40:04.000 You're like, wait, what?

02:40:06.000 That's an insane thing to do.

02:40:08.000 He pulled out of the treaty, however you want to call it.

02:40:11.000 He's like, by the way, it'd be really good to be in that treaty right now.

02:40:13.000 And then he ended up, same thing with Ukraine, he bailed, he caved and he sent in the weapons. 0.82

02:40:19.000 They have all these techniques. 0.99

02:40:21.000 And a lot of that shit happened to Obama too. 0.99

02:40:23.000 Like that whole thing when General McChrystal went on the news and spoke directly to the press and was like, we need all of these troops here in Afghanistan and I haven't even had a conversation with the president. 0.99

02:40:35.000 And then it was like, oh, all the Republicans get on him like, but he's not even talking to the generals on the ground.

02:40:40.000 And they need all these troops. 0.99

02:40:42.000 And then Obama's like, fuck, I guess I gotta send all these troops in. 0.98

02:40:44.000 So they have ways of like just putting political pressure on guys where, you know what I mean? 0.99

02:40:49.000 They don't even really necessarily have to threaten them.

02:40:51.000 But then also, by the way, I don't know, they also might be threatening them.

02:40:54.000 Could you imagine that day?

02:40:56.000 That first day in office?

02:40:57.000 You're like, what did I do?

02:40:59.000 Why did I do this?

02:41:00.000 You probably think immediately, like, oh, I probably shouldn't do this.

02:41:03.000 You know, like...

02:41:05.000 So many times when guys are fighting, like the day of the fight, they're like, why am I doing this? 0.82

02:41:12.000 Why am I fucking doing this? 0.72

02:41:13.000 I don't even want to do this anymore. 0.99

02:41:15.000 Like they say that the day of the fight, and then they go in there and they win and they feel great.

02:41:18.000 Yeah.

02:41:19.000 Or they lose and they, I was right. 0.98

02:41:21.000 But that feeling of like, um, what the fuck did I do? 1.00

02:41:25.000 Shit, I'm here. 1.00

02:41:26.000 What the fuck did I do? 1.00

02:41:26.000 And there's no getting out of it now. 1.00

02:41:28.000 And the stress.

02:41:30.000 The stress of the whole world.

02:41:32.000 The whole world.

02:41:34.000 I mean, Biden's probably pretty removed from it because he seems kind of out of it.

02:41:37.000 And also he seems like he's got a very strong ego, like very strong belief in himself in some weird way.

02:41:45.000 No, I mean, I think Biden, you know, I don't know.

02:41:49.000 With Obama, it aged him so much.

02:41:51.000 With Bush, it aged him so much.

02:41:53.000 Trump, not so much.

02:41:54.000 Not hardly at all.

02:41:55.000 Although it was only four years, because I think Trump's ego actually, like, I remember one time Bill O'Reilly was interviewing Donald Trump.

02:42:02.000 I always thought this was, like, an interesting insight into who Donald Trump is.

02:42:05.000 But Bill O'Reilly asked him this question, and he was kind of like, he was like, do you ever just, like, you know, walk around at the White House and you're just like, Wow, this is just unbelievable that I'm at the White House.

02:42:16.000 Like, I'm the President of the United States and I'm in the White House.

02:42:19.000 And Trump goes, yeah, it's a nice house.

02:42:22.000 Like, it was just...

02:42:24.000 It was just such a like, it was like, yeah, I don't know, this is right about where I should be.

02:42:27.000 Like, my house is a nice house, this house is a nice house, whatever.

02:42:29.000 Do you know how many years he was watching The Machine?

02:42:33.000 Trump?

02:42:33.000 How many years?

02:42:34.000 Yeah.

02:42:35.000 How many years he was involved?

02:42:36.000 He was watching for a long time.

02:42:37.000 You know, when he talked about how he had to donate money to Hillary Clinton for her to show up at his wedding?

02:42:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:42:43.000 Like that kind of shit? 1.00

02:42:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:42:44.000 No, he was rubbing elbows with all of those elite people. 1.00

02:42:48.000 He was watching the machine forever. 0.99

02:42:51.000 It wasn't until he talked shit about Obama being from Kenya. 0.99

02:42:55.000 That's what set the whole buffoonery into motion, right? 0.99

02:43:00.000 Because then people were mocking him.

02:43:01.000 And Obama mocked him.

02:43:03.000 Remember?

02:43:04.000 He did the White House press correspondence dinner, and he said, here's one thing that I am that you'll never be, President of the United States.

02:43:10.000 You see Trump in the audience going, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 0.99

02:43:13.000 You're taunting a psycho! 1.00

02:43:15.000 You're taunting a psycho! 0.99

02:43:17.000 Yeah, he taunted him, and Trump was... 0.99

02:43:20.000 The one thing that Trump is truly a genius at is he's like a genius-level self-marketer.

02:43:27.000 And it's all instinctual.

02:43:29.000 It's not like he intellectualizes it.

02:43:32.000 He just kind of knows.

02:43:33.000 He knows how to make himself the center of the story.

02:43:36.000 He knows how to say the thing that will get the reaction out of people.

02:43:39.000 And that turned out to be an incredibly useful skill in campaigning.

02:43:45.000 You know, like, he applied that to campaigning, and then it just took off.

02:43:48.000 And he also, you know, he tapped into something.

02:43:51.000 Even with the, like, even with the birth certificate stuff with Obama, which I think is all goofy, you know?

02:43:56.000 But he tapped into, like, the level of distrust that people had in this government.

02:44:00.000 And the level that they knew how much everyone was lying to them, that they were even willing to entertain this really big lie could have been told to them. 0.99

02:44:08.000 Maybe this whole thing's a fucking lie, you know? 0.97

02:44:10.000 It's kind of like, I think this has been building up throughout the 21st century in America. 0.99

02:44:14.000 And this is why there's like, things like You know, and on both sides, the Russia conspiracy stuff, the QAnon stuff, even back to like a 9-11 truth or like loose change and stuff like that.

02:44:25.000 People are very, when there's so many lies being told by powerful people, people are very open to the idea that they're lying about a whole bunch more stuff.

02:44:33.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:44:35.000 Absolutely.

02:44:36.000 And that's one of the things that's most dangerous about finding out that intelligence agencies are involved in censorship, because it makes people even more suspect to propaganda, more suspect that they're less likely to trust the government now than ever before.

02:44:55.000 And the rise of a far-right candidate is more likely now, I think, than probably ever been before.

02:45:01.000 Yeah, I think that's...

02:45:02.000 Some no-nonsense person that people can get behind?

02:45:05.000 Yeah, well, sometimes... 1.00

02:45:06.000 You know, like, sometimes I'll see, like, the most insane of, like, the woke shit. 0.99

02:45:13.000 You know, like, whatever it is. 1.00

02:45:14.000 You'll be like a...

02:45:15.000 You know, it's like some, like...

02:45:18.000 You know, drag queen giving a lap downs to like a six-year-old or something. 0.99

02:45:22.000 And you're just like, this is like, it's like my first thought is like, this is the most outrageous, appalling thing I've ever seen.

02:45:28.000 And then my second thought, almost like right, not even second, it's like that's one and then one A is like, oh my God, we're going to live under a right-wing dictatorship.

02:45:36.000 Because, man, I am the most just freedom, liberty-loving person.

02:45:41.000 And it's like you're trying to turn me into a right-wing dictator.

02:45:46.000 You see this stuff and you're like, oh my god, the reaction against this is gonna...

02:45:51.000 And this was the thing that Jordan Peterson initially warned about.

02:45:54.000 If you remember when he first...

02:45:55.000 Those videos where he was arguing with those social justice warriors.

02:45:58.000 And he goes, you are poking something and you have no idea what you're poking.

02:46:02.000 You have no idea what the response to this is gonna be.

02:46:05.000 And that's still a big concern.

02:46:06.000 Yeah, and people, when they have an idea in their head, like this progressive ideology that they think is so important that it needs to take over the world, they're trying to indoctrinate people into it.

02:46:18.000 And it must be imposed on other people's children.

02:46:20.000 And these people have control of a lot of the big tech corporations, which is wild.

02:46:25.000 Like, the ethics of that particular ideology.

02:46:28.000 And a lot of the public schools.

02:46:29.000 Yes.

02:46:30.000 You know, that's like a thing...

02:46:31.000 I remember...

02:46:32.000 You remember when the Justice Department called those angry parents terrorists?

02:46:37.000 It's crazy.

02:46:38.000 Well, but...

02:46:39.000 There's almost like two things to it, right?

02:46:41.000 There's like one...

02:46:43.000 At first, you're like, well, that's crazy, right?

02:46:45.000 That's insane to call them terrorists.

02:46:46.000 But then the second part of it, you're almost kind of like, you know, I kind of get it.

02:46:51.000 Because there is something...

02:46:52.000 I do remember seeing some of those videos and the anger in these parents, you know.

02:46:57.000 But it's like, that's the thing.

02:46:58.000 You know, like, I'm like a...

02:47:00.000 It's like, I'm lucky enough.

02:47:01.000 I got little kids, and I'm gonna keep them away from all this stuff.

02:47:05.000 Like, I'm able to do that.

02:47:06.000 But a lot of people aren't in that situation.

02:47:08.000 And, like, their kids are in these public schools, and they have no other option.

02:47:11.000 You know what I mean?

02:47:11.000 Like, they pay their property taxes.

02:47:13.000 I don't have any more money left over to send my kids to private school.

02:47:15.000 Like, this is where they have to go to school.

02:47:17.000 And, like, you mess with people's kids.

02:47:21.000 That is... 1.00

02:47:23.000 That's something people will do really fucked up shit over. 0.99

02:47:26.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

02:47:27.000 That's a different line for somebody.

02:47:29.000 People can put up with a lot, but you're going to brainwash my kid with some ideology that I don't believe in, that I might even hate?

02:47:36.000 You're going to try to brainwash my little kid with that?

02:47:40.000 It's...

02:47:41.000 It's a dangerous thing to provoke someone with.

02:47:44.000 And to deny that that's a possibility is to...

02:47:47.000 You don't understand humans.

02:47:49.000 Children are very malleable.

02:47:51.000 They always have been.

02:47:53.000 That's how you can get children to be religious martyrs.

02:47:56.000 Like, how do you think they talk those kids into strapping themselves up with dynamite and walking into some building and blowing themselves up?

02:48:02.000 They do it through coercion.

02:48:05.000 They teach them.

02:48:06.000 They can get a person to...

02:48:10.000 You can get a child to ascribe to all sorts of ideologies, hateful ideologies, loving ideologies.

02:48:16.000 People are malleable.

02:48:17.000 We imitate our environment.

02:48:19.000 And particularly children.

02:48:20.000 I mean, children are...

02:48:21.000 I mean, they do nothing but imitate you.

02:48:24.000 You particularly see this if you're ever around little kids.

02:48:26.000 But my point is, it's like this is...

02:48:27.000 For good or for bad.

02:48:28.000 Yes.

02:48:29.000 Even though you think you're doing a good thing, you're still not doing what you're supposed to do.

02:48:34.000 What you're supposed to do as an educator is teach kids.

02:48:38.000 Teach kids, give them information.

02:48:40.000 You're not supposed to be grooming them towards a particular ideology or lifestyle.

02:48:45.000 I don't mean grooming in a sexual zone.

02:48:46.000 I mean like schooling them to behave a certain way or to think a certain way or to go against their parents' beliefs or to go against...

02:48:54.000 Yeah, and if anything like that's...

02:48:56.000 That's not your job!

02:48:57.000 Yeah, it's like, I'm sorry, it's not some government employee's job to instill the values into, like, seven-year-olds.

02:49:04.000 Like, that's on their parents.

02:49:05.000 And if their parents are Christians, or their parents are atheists, or if their parents are left-wing or right-wing, that's like, they have a right to, like, try to, like, you know what I mean?

02:49:13.000 Especially when it comes to sexuality.

02:49:15.000 Yeah, it's so bizarre.

02:49:16.000 And just doing anything sexual with little kids, like any amount of information like that. 0.68

02:49:22.000 Imagine if you had little kids in your class, 8, 9, 10 years old, and you started talking about male and female intercourse.

02:49:30.000 Like people go, what are you doing?

02:49:32.000 Yeah.

02:49:33.000 What are you doing?

02:49:33.000 But there's books that kids can get out of the library in certain school districts that they've put in there that show...

02:49:41.000 Like oral sex. 0.99

02:49:42.000 Have you seen those? 1.00

02:49:43.000 Yeah.

02:49:43.000 You seen those books?

02:49:44.000 Like oral sex between two males or a male and a female or someone fellating a dildo or something crazy like that. 1.00

02:49:51.000 Yeah, like it's very, very, it's so weird. 1.00

02:49:53.000 It's the wildest shit because like that's not your job. 0.99

02:49:56.000 If we're talking about purely heterosexual relationships, we would all agree that is absolutely not a teacher's job to explain to a child how, what kind of sexual acts males and females like to do to each other. 1.00

02:50:12.000 That what turns them on?

02:50:13.000 Like, that's like...

02:50:14.000 And one of the things that's really interesting, right, is that, like, you...

02:50:18.000 And this is what's new about today's dynamic, right?

02:50:20.000 Is that...

02:50:21.000 So then you'll see these people, like, in the corporate press or whatever, and they'll be like, oh, none of this is happening.

02:50:27.000 This isn't happening at all, but it's like, no, this is a different world now, man.

02:50:30.000 We have libs of TikTok.

02:50:32.000 You know what I mean?

02:50:33.000 Here you have this Twitter account that just blew the fuck up simply by showing everybody.

02:50:39.000 No, these are their teachers and this is what they're saying.

02:50:42.000 Now, I'll admit first, when you see those videos, you don't always get the clearest perspective of like, wait a minute, so how many teachers are like this exactly?

02:50:49.000 What schools are they?

02:50:50.000 But regardless, this is a thing that's happening somewhere.

02:50:53.000 And they have a lot of videos of them.

02:50:54.000 So whatever the size of the problem is, it's like, I don't know, there's a lot, and now there's no way, you can't convince people that this isn't really happening, because we can like see it ourselves.

02:51:05.000 It's right here on video.

02:51:07.000 How did anybody ever sign off on the little kids drag show?

02:51:11.000 It's so...

02:51:12.000 How did anybody imagine, again, the heterosexual version of that, imagine a bunch of Strippers that are in their 30s and 40s, and they're getting young girls to strip and dance for men in the audience.

02:51:30.000 Imagine.

02:51:31.000 Imagine.

02:51:31.000 Imagine if you ever saw that.

02:51:33.000 That would be a horrendous thing.

02:51:35.000 Like, what are you encouraging?

02:51:36.000 What are you doing to these children?

02:51:38.000 Why are you taking away their innocence at such an early age?

02:51:40.000 But if it's a drag show...

02:51:42.000 And you have a 10-year-old drag queen, and he goes out there, and he's fabulous.

02:51:47.000 Look at him.

02:51:48.000 He's amazing.

02:51:48.000 It's so weird.

02:51:49.000 But you're sexualizing this young person.

02:51:52.000 You're still doing something to someone who hasn't even gone through puberty, and they're probably not even interested in sexual activity. 0.99

02:51:59.000 It's so disgusting, man. 1.00

02:52:00.000 What does a fucking 10-year-old care about sexual activity? 1.00

02:52:05.000 But that's what... 1.00

02:52:05.000 I mean, if you're wearing... 1.00

02:52:08.000 High heels and a skimpy little bikini, and you're dancing in a certain way.

02:52:12.000 We've got to admit what that is.

02:52:14.000 What is that if it's a girl who's built a brick shithouse? 1.00

02:52:19.000 Well, it's very sexual, right? 1.00

02:52:20.000 If it's the same girl dressed that way, moving that way, and she has big boobs and a big ass and all that stuff, it's sex. 1.00

02:52:27.000 So is it sex with this little kid? 1.00

02:52:29.000 And how are you okay with that? 0.99

02:52:31.000 And why do you want to do this?

02:52:32.000 Why do you want to watch this?

02:52:33.000 And how the hell do we not at least have a consensus about this?

02:52:38.000 That seems so crazy to me. 0.63

02:52:39.000 We could disagree on so many issues, but can't we all agree with not sexualizing little kids?

02:52:45.000 But for whatever reason, if you're doing that in an LBGTQ sort of... 0.75

02:52:52.000 Thing yeah, and that like with with the drag queen show like they're still doing some of those Yeah, they still have like we're drag queens and little kids are together like what was cuties?

02:53:04.000 Yeah, what that was a Netflix thing.

02:53:07.000 Yeah, it was a Netflix show children That are like drag queens is that what it was? 1.00

02:53:13.000 I thought that was I think that was girls in cuties was just little girls. 1.00

02:53:16.000 It was just very bizarre Which one was the drag queen show? 0.98

02:53:20.000 Wasn't there a show that had...

02:53:22.000 Cuties was all little girls? 0.90

02:53:23.000 I think so. 0.96

02:53:24.000 Did I fuck that up?

02:53:25.000 Might have to edit that out.

02:53:26.000 I don't want to get sued.

02:53:28.000 I think it was.

02:53:29.000 So Cuties was just young girls?

02:53:32.000 Yeah, I think it was like 10 year old girls just dancing in crazy sexual ways. 1.00

02:53:37.000 And what was it about?

02:53:39.000 Is it about they would do dance shows?

02:53:42.000 I'll be honest, I did not watch it.

02:53:43.000 You're a woman now? 1.00

02:53:43.000 Like, what is this? 1.00

02:53:45.000 But I remember people got fucking furious at this, right? 0.91

02:53:48.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:53:51.000 It's just like incredibly little prepubescent girls dancing in the most sexualized ways. 1.00

02:53:57.000 But there have been these things that have been shown publicly that are drag queen shows with kids.

02:54:04.000 What are those?

02:54:05.000 On film?

02:54:06.000 That was something I was getting at that.

02:54:09.000 Well, those I think are just things that they have, like just like things that they have at local, like for like Pride Month, they had a bunch of them.

02:54:16.000 But there's a different thing between a kid maybe watching a drag show and being involved in it.

02:54:22.000 There's a different thing there.

02:54:23.000 Both kind of weird, but one is much worse.

02:54:25.000 Both kind of weird, but one is way worse.

02:54:26.000 But there have been ones where the kids were involved, right?

02:54:29.000 I've seen those videos being shared.

02:54:31.000 What is that?

02:54:32.000 I don't know what the events were, but I have seen those videos.

02:54:35.000 It's not just like one thing like there's been a lot of videos of this that have been shared and it is um Yeah, it's you know, I remember imagine like proposing that to someone Yeah, and it does seem like drag kids. 0.65

02:54:49.000 That's it a Daring and touching portrait of four kids chasing freedom and friendship through the art of drag That's it.

02:54:58.000 That was the one so that was on CBC Oh, bro.

02:55:04.000 I mean, that's a really young kid.

02:55:08.000 Like, imagine that young kid, okay? 1.00

02:55:11.000 And what he wants to talk about is how he likes to fuck. 1.00

02:55:14.000 So he has like a rubber girl on stage and she's like, this is how I like to fuck. 1.00

02:55:18.000 Can't wait till I'm old enough to fuck. 1.00

02:55:20.000 That would be so insane. 1.00

02:55:23.000 Yes.

02:55:23.000 That would be so insane.

02:55:25.000 So imagine, why is it, like, what's going on?

02:55:29.000 Like, if you dress up like a girl, then it's okay to be sexualized when you're 10?

02:55:34.000 Like, is it sexual or is it just performative as a girl? 0.85

02:55:38.000 There's a million ways to do performative stuff that wouldn't have to be sexualized.

02:55:42.000 Like, just do it in a different way.

02:55:44.000 Is drag inherently sexual or are we ignorant to it?

02:55:47.000 No, I don't know, man.

02:55:49.000 I guess theoretically it could not be, but they're not dressing up like Mrs. Doubtfire or something.

02:55:54.000 They're dressing up as these sexualized characters.

02:55:57.000 That's what's actually happening.

02:55:58.000 Exactly.

02:55:59.000 They're dressing up in these revealing outfits, and they're like little dresses with They show their legs, right? 0.90

02:56:06.000 Yeah, it's so goddamn weird.

02:56:08.000 I don't know how this stuff took off.

02:56:09.000 But then there was...

02:56:10.000 I said something about this when this stuff was coming out, and I got people giving me pushback and stuff, where there's people on Twitter and stuff who were like, oh, but I bet you wouldn't have a problem.

02:56:22.000 I was like, oh, there's this six-year-old at this drag show or something like that.

02:56:25.000 And they're like, oh, I bet you wouldn't have a problem bringing your six-year-old to Hooters.

02:56:29.000 And I was like, well, first off, I wouldn't bring my six-year-old to Hooters, because I do think that's kind of inappropriate.

02:56:33.000 But second off, it's not nearly as inappropriate.

02:56:35.000 It's like there's just levels to this.

02:56:37.000 Exactly.

02:56:38.000 If the girls in Hooters were in thongs and giving lap dances, yes, that would be just as inappropriate as this. 1.00

02:56:46.000 And even Hooters.

02:56:47.000 I probably wouldn't bring my little kids to Hooters.

02:56:50.000 Yeah.

02:56:50.000 That does seem a little weird.

02:56:51.000 Why are you going to Hooters?

02:56:52.000 Just seems weird.

02:56:53.000 That'd be a weird thing.

02:56:54.000 I really want to be there with my young...

02:56:56.000 I wouldn't want my daughter to see it. 1.00

02:56:57.000 Take him to Chuck E. Cheese, you fucking weirdo. 1.00

02:56:58.000 That's just a weirdo move. 1.00

02:57:00.000 Even if it wasn't gross, it would be a weirdo move.

02:57:03.000 They don't want to go there.

02:57:05.000 This is so bizarre.

02:57:07.000 Beer and wings and people are screaming.

02:57:09.000 Yeah, and girls are wearing scantily clad outfits. 0.99

02:57:12.000 That's not thought to be a family environment anyway. 1.00

02:57:14.000 That's a dumb... 0.99

02:57:15.000 Suggestions. 0.99

02:57:15.000 They'd always like come up with this thing. 0.99

02:57:17.000 They're like, well, what about this?

02:57:18.000 They go like, well, what about child beauty pageant shows?

02:57:21.000 I'm like, I find those weird.

02:57:22.000 I find them very weird and creepy.

02:57:24.000 Joey Diaz, Duncan and I, maybe it was Ari. 0.88

02:57:26.000 Anyway, we were in Dallas and we're staying, we're doing the Dallas improv and we're the Addison improv.

02:57:31.000 We're staying at this hotel that had a drag queen show.

02:57:33.000 No, excuse me, a child beauty show.

02:57:35.000 We're staying at a hotel that had a child beauty show.

02:57:37.000 I want to differentiate, but not by much.

02:57:40.000 So we're walking around the hotel and there's these little kids with high heels and they can barely walk and they're wearing skirts and they're just full clown makeup, crazy hair.

02:57:51.000 And I'm like, bro, this is strange.

02:57:54.000 Why would you do this with your kids?

02:57:56.000 I'm pretty sure it was Duncan.

02:57:57.000 I remember us talking about it.

02:57:58.000 We were like, this is so bizarre. 0.99

02:58:01.000 And by the way, of course we were high as fuck. 1.00

02:58:03.000 High as fuck. 1.00

02:58:05.000 Wandering through this hotel while there was these little kids that are dressing up like Fox News ladies. 1.00

02:58:11.000 You know those super hot Fox News lady outfits? 1.00

02:58:14.000 That's what they're wearing.

02:58:15.000 So they're not dressed up like strippers, but they're dressed up- It's still so bizarre.

02:58:21.000 Bizarre.

02:58:22.000 First of all, it's bizarre.

02:58:24.000 The sexualization of the female frame in a professional setting as opposed to a male.

02:58:29.000 If a male got on television with a sleeveless shirt showing the center of his pecs and showing most of his legs... 0.99

02:58:42.000 Except for what I call, like with Megyn Kelly, a vagina curtain. 1.00

02:58:45.000 I go, it's not even a good curtain. 0.95

02:58:47.000 It's like that one that the windows always open in grandma's kitchen.

02:58:51.000 It's a tiny little thing that covers these long, beautiful legs.

02:58:55.000 And you see her toes and her feet.

02:58:58.000 And her legs are crossed. 0.99

02:58:59.000 Because if she opens her legs up, you're basically seeing a thin shield over her vagina. 1.00

02:59:05.000 She's a pair of panties. 1.00

02:59:06.000 That's it. 0.95

02:59:07.000 It's nuts!

02:59:08.000 And that woman's now going to tell you the news. 1.00

02:59:10.000 That woman's going to tell you the news. 1.00

02:59:12.000 The ambassador to Afghanistan said that the losses have been insurmountable.

02:59:16.000 Like, what?

02:59:17.000 What is happening here?

02:59:18.000 Why would we do this?

02:59:20.000 Yeah, it's so weird.

02:59:22.000 And I like the way it looks, and I'm not opposed to it.

02:59:25.000 Don't get me wrong.

02:59:26.000 I'm glad women dress like that. 1.00

02:59:27.000 It looks great.

02:59:28.000 Don't get me wrong.

02:59:29.000 But it's just so strange.

02:59:31.000 A lot of it's strange.

02:59:32.000 I'll tell you, not in the sexualized way at all, but another thing that I find very bizarre that I always judge is the guys in the cable news things who color their hair and get work done and stuff like this. 0.98

02:59:48.000 And you're like, you're a fucking newsman, I thought. 0.98

02:59:52.000 What are you doing? 1.00

02:59:53.000 They don't want to look old.

02:59:54.000 Wouldn't it be better if you had a little gray in your hair?

02:59:56.000 You should look old. 1.00

02:59:57.000 I'm not trying to fuck you, dude. 1.00

02:59:59.000 I'm trying to get the news. 1.00

03:00:01.000 That's the idea.

03:00:02.000 Why do you care about what you look like?

03:00:04.000 They have vanity.

03:00:05.000 They're on TV every day.

03:00:06.000 They're not newsmen.

03:00:08.000 They're like celebrities or whatever.

03:00:10.000 They're people who read teleprompters.

03:00:11.000 All you have to do is be a good orator. 0.96

03:00:13.000 You just have to be reasonably good to look at and your voice doesn't suck.

03:00:18.000 And you're willing to say the thing that they tell you to say.

03:00:20.000 Or you fit into what they're looking for, whatever it's a right-wing show or a left-wing show. 0.99

03:00:25.000 There's like a fucking thing they're looking for, the thing that they think is going to sell to their people. 0.99

03:00:29.000 Just tell the people what we tell you to tell them. 0.99

03:00:31.000 We'll put it up on the screen.

03:00:33.000 Can you read?

03:00:33.000 Okay.

03:00:34.000 Let's do a dry run.

03:00:35.000 Here you go.

03:00:36.000 Go.

03:00:36.000 And then you do it.

03:00:37.000 You got it.

03:00:37.000 Okay.

03:00:38.000 All right.

03:00:38.000 Here we go.

03:00:39.000 And you're live.

03:00:40.000 And then you say it.

03:00:41.000 And that's what you do.

03:00:43.000 You know, it's like...

03:00:44.000 They're actors, in a way.

03:00:46.000 They've chosen to act in this manner.

03:00:48.000 And this is the role.

03:00:50.000 The role is, I am a right-wing pundit.

03:00:52.000 The role is, I am MSNBC anchor.

03:00:56.000 That's the role.

03:00:57.000 And that's what's so crazy.

03:00:59.000 At least for the vast majority of them.

03:01:00.000 There are a few exceptions of people who are somewhat good, but it's unbelievable how many of them.

03:01:05.000 But the position is clearly established.

03:01:07.000 And it's segmented by advertisement to make sure that nothing ever gets too deep.

03:01:11.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:01:12.000 And there's just more. 0.98

03:01:13.000 I think Noam Chomsky went over this back in the day, but how the advertising just gets longer and longer, and the segments get shorter and shorter, and just what they're saying gets dumber and dumber. 0.96

03:01:23.000 It's really unbelievable. 0.94

03:01:25.000 It's all pharmaceutical ads now.

03:01:27.000 When you watch, it's all pharmaceutical.

03:01:28.000 Yeah, there might be like a Boeing commercial in there somewhere.

03:01:31.000 Every now and then that's wrong, like an Oreos commercial.

03:01:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:01:34.000 They sell you cookies or something.

03:01:36.000 Yeah, pharmaceutical, because we just care about your health. 0.82

03:01:38.000 But have an Oreo, by the way.

03:01:40.000 It's so nuts.

03:01:42.000 And it's like you see a stampede just headed towards a cliff.

03:01:47.000 And you're like, how do we slow everybody down?

03:01:50.000 How do we make this sustainable?

03:01:53.000 How do we realize that we are temporary beings?

03:01:57.000 We have a finite lifespan, and we are somehow involved in these squabbles with places that are nowhere near us, with people that we have never met.

03:02:08.000 And somehow or another, we are inexorably tied to these activities that are taking place on the other side of the world.

03:02:14.000 And particularly the fact that they pose no threat to you and that you're a part of the biggest, baddest, most powerful society that's ever existed.

03:02:21.000 And they're a part of, like, these very weak, vulnerable societies.

03:02:25.000 And yet you're convinced.

03:02:26.000 But this is what I say.

03:02:27.000 I think the ultimate, like, optimistic thing is that...

03:02:31.000 All trust in all of these institutions is completely evaporating.

03:02:34.000 I think that's happening.

03:02:36.000 A lot of people talk about how we need to unify the country and we're so polarized and wouldn't it be better if we were more united, which I understand the idea of that, but I think the most united times in my lifetime, the time the country was the most united was right after 9-11,

03:02:54.000 where everyone was really together.

03:02:55.000 Yeah.

03:02:56.000 And then the politicians just exploited that and gave us the Patriot Act and the war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan and this whole disastrous start to the 21st century.

03:03:04.000 And then I actually think everyone was pretty united when COVID first came.

03:03:07.000 For a little while.

03:03:08.000 And it was like, 14 days to flatten, 15 days to flatten the curve.

03:03:10.000 Okay, we'll give you guys a couple weeks.

03:03:13.000 And then the politicians exploited that and just took advantage of the whole thing.

03:03:16.000 So it's like, there's real weakness to being united.

03:03:19.000 Maybe it's better at least if we're united, let's be united and not trusting any of the institutions. 0.99

03:03:24.000 Well, again, they suck at everything. 0.99

03:03:28.000 They're going to suck at this, too. 1.00

03:03:30.000 They're not going to make decisions that are good for all of us. 0.98

03:03:33.000 But this is, to me, basically the libertarian argument, is that it's like, we don't suck at everything.

03:03:39.000 The free market, voluntary people, we actually do amazing things.

03:03:43.000 We do so many things so well.

03:03:45.000 But everything the government touches, they're terrible at.

03:03:48.000 Or they're really good at it, but it's incredibly evil. 0.61

03:03:51.000 Like, we're really good at slaughtering people.

03:03:53.000 It's like, that's true. 0.99

03:03:54.000 You are very good at that.

03:03:55.000 Yeah, they're pretty good at that, and they get better at it every year.

03:03:58.000 What's the defense budget?

03:04:00.000 Like, what's the amount of money that's involved in these decisions?

03:04:02.000 I mean, I think... 0.90

03:04:03.000 It must be fucking crazy at this point. 0.92

03:04:05.000 On the books, I think it's like $700 billion, but if you look at all of the things that are also basically part of it, it's over a trillion dollars a year. 0.93

03:04:12.000 Is there a way to redistribute that money to make it so that they can make that kind of money cleaning up cities?

03:04:19.000 Each year, federal agencies receive funding from Congress known as budgetary resources.

03:04:24.000 In 2022, the Department of Defense had $1.77 trillion.

03:04:41.000 It could be in one of the six, but the nuclear program is not part of the Department of Defense.

03:04:49.000 It's part of the energy department.

03:04:50.000 Yeah, so that cost is Look at that number, though.

03:04:54.000 1.77 trillion.

03:04:56.000 Is that right?

03:04:57.000 That's in 2022. The Department of Defense had 1.77 trillion distributed.

03:05:04.000 Yeah, see, I think that's more what I was thinking.

03:05:06.000 That it would be somewhere at 700 billion something.

03:05:09.000 But then if you take into account what Jamie was talking about, the energy department, like nuclear maintenance and stuff.

03:05:14.000 But regardless, I mean, it's just an insane amount of money.

03:05:18.000 Whether it's 777 billion or whatever the fuck it is, that is so much money. 0.90

03:05:24.000 Yeah. 0.93

03:05:24.000 And the funny thing is we end the war in Afghanistan and the budget doesn't even go down. 0.93

03:05:29.000 It's like you end a war and they just find other things to spend the money on.

03:05:32.000 And if you have that much money being distributed in one year, imagine just cutting that off.

03:05:38.000 Well, yeah.

03:05:39.000 I mean, that would be something.

03:05:41.000 But honestly, even just cutting it off...

03:05:46.000 I think would be overall like an overwhelmingly good thing.

03:05:49.000 But could you imagine the pushback?

03:05:51.000 What do you think would go down?

03:05:53.000 What do you think would go down if someone actually tried to cut that off?

03:05:56.000 First of all, you can never cut it off totally.

03:05:58.000 You have to have some support of the military.

03:05:59.000 Well, yeah, but I mean...

03:06:00.000 So what's the budget?

03:06:01.000 Well, look, even if the budget was zero next year, we still have the most powerful military in the history of the world.

03:06:07.000 Right, but then you've got to pay people to run.

03:06:08.000 There's going to be some maintenance or something like that, sure.

03:06:12.000 But let's just say, hypothetically, I mean, look, we spend more than I think the next 13 countries combined or something like that on our defense budget.

03:06:22.000 So let's just say we cut it in half, hypothetically.

03:06:25.000 I think you – probably my guess is like, yeah, there would be enormous pushback from all of the special interests who are losing their money.

03:06:31.000 So in other words, the only way it could work is if someone – like let's say the person who won the presidency won by – I'm going to cut the defense budget and got overwhelming support for it.

03:06:46.000 Because then if there was so much support for it, it could be kind of like no matter how much you push back, it's just not going to matter.

03:06:53.000 That being said, I don't really think there's going to be a centralized federal political solution.

03:06:58.000 I think what's much more likely to happen in this country is that this system is going to fail and fail and fail more.

03:07:05.000 And hopefully at that point you get more and more decentralization.

03:07:08.000 And just like different areas are going to like not.

03:07:13.000 Follow federal guidelines and things like that.

03:07:16.000 To your point, there's so much entrenched powerful interest in Washington, D.C. It's very hard to see someone rolling it back from there without a huge movement behind them.

03:07:29.000 I hate to end on a bummer.

03:07:31.000 But there's no way to get out of this.

03:07:33.000 It's just a bummer.

03:07:34.000 That alone, just that number alone, whether it's the $777 billion or the $1.whatever trillion, that's so scary, dude.

03:07:43.000 That's such an enormous amount of money.

03:07:44.000 But the thing that's not a bummer is that it's like, yeah, dude, like, dude, this show gets more, like, people listening to it than all of these shows that aren't talking about— Are you trying to get me paranoid? 0.98

03:07:54.000 What the fuck you trying to do, man? 0.70

03:07:56.000 But I'm saying that—and it's not just you. 1.00

03:07:59.000 I mean, you're, like, kind of the biggest one, but there's so many of these podcasts now that lap, you know, CNN in terms of the people listening.

03:08:06.000 And there are all of these really— I think they all do.

03:08:07.000 There's all these really smart people having really interesting conversations all over the place.

03:08:11.000 And it seems to me like I'm really encouraged by the fact that there's like a big appetite for that. 0.99

03:08:15.000 It's like people don't just want this dumbed down shit that CNN's giving them. 0.97

03:08:19.000 People want really interesting conversations. 0.98

03:08:21.000 And as long as that's the case, that gives me at least some hope for like people waking up and at least more and more people waking up.

03:08:27.000 I think more and more people are waking up, but it takes a long time to truly grasp the depth of all this chaos. 0.96

03:08:34.000 And just you laying it out today to me, not just like enlightened me in some ways, but also refreshed my understanding of how fucking crazy corrupt the whole United States scheme has always been. 0.95

03:08:50.000 Yeah. 0.98

03:08:50.000 You know, it's just, but the people of the United States are fucking pretty awesome. 0.98

03:08:55.000 Like there's some amazing people that come out of this country and there's some amazing minds and amazing art and amazing thoughts. 0.99

03:09:03.000 But it's just stuck in a system that's extracting money by being cunts. 0.98

03:09:09.000 Yep. 0.99

03:09:10.000 Yep.

03:09:10.000 And it's been that way for a long time.

03:09:13.000 And to try to change it now, boy.

03:09:18.000 Yeah, it's daunting.

03:09:19.000 But, you know, this is America.

03:09:21.000 We don't have any choice.

03:09:23.000 So we got to try.

03:09:24.000 Yeah.

03:09:24.000 If we don't, that's it.

03:09:26.000 I mean, if this place goes down...

03:09:29.000 Like, someone was talking about...

03:09:30.000 I think it was Maxine Waters was saying that we had to have...

03:09:32.000 See if it's her.

03:09:33.000 She said that we had to have a digital currency to compete with China.

03:09:37.000 Yeah. 0.98

03:09:37.000 A centralized digital currency is so fucking scary, people. 0.98

03:09:40.000 Yeah. 0.92

03:09:41.000 Because if they are controlling the numbers...

03:09:43.000 Like, if it's not banks and it's not...

03:09:47.000 It's not fiat currency, which is bad enough.

03:09:50.000 But digital is much scarier.

03:09:52.000 Digital controlled by the government, connected to a social credit score.

03:09:57.000 Because that's the ultimate goal.

03:09:58.000 Because then they've got you locked in. 0.99

03:10:01.000 It doesn't matter what the fucking Constitution says, the Bill of Rights. 0.98

03:10:04.000 You are not in compliance, Dave Smith. 0.99

03:10:07.000 If they can shut you off like that, that's a scary thing.

03:10:11.000 And look, even without the digital currency, you saw what Canada did with those truckers, those protests.

03:10:16.000 Look at this.

03:10:16.000 U.S. lawmakers look to digital dollar to compete with China.

03:10:20.000 Yeah, to compete with dictators, you've got to become one.

03:10:23.000 Yeah, there you go. 1.00

03:10:24.000 This is a fucking bet. 1.00

03:10:26.000 Maxine Waters, she said it. 1.00

03:10:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:10:29.000 And meanwhile, who's fucking telling her? 0.98

03:10:32.000 Who's in her ear saying this is a great idea? 0.99

03:10:35.000 Ms. Waters framed the competition over new forms of central bank money as a new digital asset space race.

03:10:43.000 The Biden administration and the Fed don't share a sense of urgency.

03:10:47.000 Oh my god.

03:10:49.000 Oh my god.

03:10:49.000 If you let them control the money, if you let them have all...

03:10:54.000 All the ability that they would want if they had something like this, which would be to tell you when you can and cannot spend money.

03:11:01.000 Look, Visa has announced that they're going to separately classify gun purchases.

03:11:06.000 So if you're a person with a lawful firearm license and you decide to purchase a handgun for home protection, now you can't do it through Visa without it being labeled in a different way.

03:11:17.000 And I'm so glad you brought this up, too, because what they do right there with this whole game where it's like Maxine Waters said this.

03:11:24.000 Joe Biden isn't so sure about it.

03:11:25.000 They put these things out there and they test what's the resistance to this.

03:11:29.000 It's like they dip their finger into the water to see what the temperature is.

03:11:32.000 It's like, oh, can we get wet?

03:11:33.000 And if they can't, then they pull back and then maybe try again later.

03:11:36.000 So it's really important for people.

03:11:37.000 This is such a big thing to fight against.

03:11:39.000 Do not let the government...

03:11:41.000 As bad as fiat currency is, and we'd be so much better as a country if we were on some type of, like...

03:11:45.000 Hard money, sound money system backed by gold or something that limited how much the government can print.

03:11:51.000 But man this, if they can just turn off your money, we're going into like a real dystopian nightmare.

03:11:57.000 Yes, that's what I'm scared of.

03:11:58.000 I'm scared of that more than anything because I'm scared of people thinking that, you know, they'll get it connected to some sort of social justice issue.

03:12:04.000 They'll get it connected to some sort of cultural war issue and next thing you know, you're a supporter of this, that or the other thing if you don't agree with letting the government have those kind of powers and rights.

03:12:15.000 And that's what's scary about them having the power to tell you to do anything, including medical interventions, including anything, anything that they tell you to do.

03:12:24.000 They're not telling you to do for your best interest.

03:12:26.000 They're telling you to do because there's some sort of a financial benefit to doing it that way.

03:12:32.000 If there wasn't, they wouldn't do it.

03:12:34.000 They wouldn't do it.

03:12:35.000 Yeah.

03:12:36.000 No, that's right.

03:12:36.000 These people are not motivated by what's best for the common person.

03:12:39.000 I think that's pretty clear.

03:12:41.000 No.

03:12:42.000 None of them are.

03:12:43.000 And that's the grossest part about the whole race. 1.00

03:12:47.000 That's why everybody settles for the lesser of two evils. 0.99

03:12:50.000 Who the fuck is going to... 0.99

03:12:52.000 Fix that whole chaos of corruption and the momentum at all, as you've described. 0.99

03:12:59.000 As we go all the way back to 1964, 65, go to Vietnam, you go to Kennedy assassination.

03:13:05.000 Take it back to 1913, the creation of the Federal Reserve and the income tax and all this stuff.

03:13:11.000 And yeah, the only way to do it is to really abolish as much of this government power as possible.

03:13:15.000 But again, that's easier said than done.

03:13:17.000 You've read Smedley Butler's War is a Racket?

03:13:20.000 Oh, yeah.

03:13:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:13:21.000 That was like, what, 33?

03:13:22.000 Well, that was the attempted coup thing was, yeah, in 32, 33. And when did he write War is a Racket?

03:13:30.000 He wrote it when he was retiring, right?

03:13:32.000 Yes, he wrote that when he was retiring, and he was involved in the military, I think, in like the late 1800s.

03:13:38.000 But the story of the coup is from the 30s.

03:13:41.000 It says, War is a Racket is a speech in a 1935 short book by Smedley D. Butler, retired United States Marine Corps Major General and two-time Medal of Honor recipient.

03:13:52.000 Based on his career military experience, Butler discusses how business interests commercially benefit from warfare.

03:13:59.000 We'll just read a little bit of that and then we'll just close this out.

03:14:03.000 Click on that. 0.91

03:14:04.000 Just click on the speech because it's pretty fucking crazy what he actually says.

03:14:08.000 Yeah, it's incredible. 0.55

03:14:09.000 He talks about how, you know, when he was serving, he thought what he was doing was one thing that turned out to be something else.

03:14:16.000 It's not a very long book or a long speech.

03:14:23.000 Well, there was a YouTube video of the audio there.

03:14:26.000 There it is.

03:14:27.000 Just click on that image in the upper right-hand corner.

03:14:31.000 Scroll up and click on that.

03:14:34.000 War is a racket.

03:14:36.000 It always has been.

03:14:37.000 It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious.

03:14:42.000 It's the only one international in scope.

03:14:46.000 It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

03:14:51.000 Yeah.

03:14:52.000 Yeah, that's a great quote, man.

03:14:54.000 That's a great quote.

03:14:55.000 And that's by a guy who's seen it all.

03:14:57.000 Yeah.

03:14:57.000 And he's at the end and he's like, listen, this is a racket.

03:15:01.000 Yeah.

03:15:02.000 It's great.

03:15:03.000 By the way, people should go look into Smedley Butler.

03:15:04.000 It's a really incredible story.

03:15:06.000 That's all real and hard to believe. 0.99

03:15:08.000 Dave Smith, you're a fucking national treasure. 0.99

03:15:10.000 Aw, dude. 0.99

03:15:11.000 Thank you so much, man.

03:15:11.000 Appreciate you very much.

03:15:12.000 Dude, I always have such a great time.

03:15:13.000 Thank you.

03:15:14.000 All right.

03:15:14.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 28, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1875 - Dave Smith

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